Summer 2019 transfer thread

[McKenzie]

What’s the long term plan?

To continually qualify for Europe, have one of the best academies in Scotland. Think the academy one has to come first so that we are able to produce players good enough to aid our cause more like Murray, Porto etc

[ac1]

Post on Rangers forum (I know I know!) at lunchtime today about that Andy King at Leicester - first post from the boy ever claiming to know Andy Kings best mate and that seemingly he was coming to us before Rangers stepped in? Normally take these things with a pinch of salt but this boy was bang on about him signing for Rangers before anyone had uttered a word about him and seems a bit random to sign up to the Rangers forum to post a rumour that was actually spot on

[04Sauzee]

Post on Rangers forum (I know I know!) at lunchtime today about that Andy King at Leicester - first post from the boy ever claiming to know Andy Kings best mate and that seemingly he was coming to us before Rangers stepped in? Normally take these things with a pinch of salt but this boy was bang on about him signing for Rangers before anyone had uttered a word about him and seems a bit random to sign up to the Rangers forum to post a rumour that was actually spot on

Andy King was coming to Hibs?

[ac1]

Andy King was coming to Hibs?

So the boy said? It’s the very first post about him on the Rangers forum at 12 this afternoon

[500miles]

Post on Rangers forum (I know I know!) at lunchtime today about that Andy King at Leicester - first post from the boy ever claiming to know Andy Kings best mate and that seemingly he was coming to us before Rangers stepped in? Normally take these things with a pinch of salt but this boy was bang on about him signing for Rangers before anyone had uttered a word about him and seems a bit random to sign up to the Rangers forum to post a rumour that was actually spot on

We'll hopefully that indicates that we're still in the market for a midfielder.

[Unseen work]

Post on Rangers forum (I know I know!) at lunchtime today about that Andy King at Leicester - first post from the boy ever claiming to know Andy Kings best mate and that seemingly he was coming to us before Rangers stepped in? Normally take these things with a pinch of salt but this boy was bang on about him signing for Rangers before anyone had uttered a word about him and seems a bit random to sign up to the Rangers forum to post a rumour that was actually spot on


If true shows were still in the market and you’d imagine offering good wages as King would demand a fair bit you would imagine

[J-C]

So the boy said? It’s the very first post about him on the Rangers forum at 12 this afternoon


And why we got Middleton then.

[04Sauzee]

And why we got Middleton then.

Is king a winger?

[Unseen work]

Is king a winger?

Centre mid. They have an embarrassment of riches in there now

Jack
Kamara
Davis
Arfield
King
Docherty
Holt
Halliday
Aribo
Dorrans

Im sure there is more, but don’t think Middleton coming to us has anything to do with signing King.

[J-C]

Is king a winger?


TBH I thought he was but maybe not after thinking about it, so ignore my last post.

[we are hibs]

Centre mid. They have an embarrassment of riches in there now

Jack
Kamara
Davis
Arfield
King
Docherty
Holt
Halliday
Aribo
Dorrans

Im sure there is more, but don’t think Middleton coming to us has anything to do with signing King.

Take Halliday out that list as he will be mostly used as cover at left back and i can see Dorrans, Docherty and Holt all leaving/sent out on loan.

[500miles]

Take Halliday out that list as he will be mostly used as cover at left back and i can see Dorrans, Docherty and Holt all leaving/sent out on loan.

Docherty and Holt would fit out team. Dorrans is done.

[Leitherhibs]

Docherty and Holt would fit out team. Dorrans is done.

No to Holt, he’s really not very good. Would take Docherty and would’ve taken Dorrans from 3+ seasons ago, finished now I’m told.

[The 90+2]

Docherty and Holt would fit out team. Dorrans is done.

Holt is mince.

[04Sauzee]

Docherty and Holt would fit out team. Dorrans is done.

I'm sure Docherty cost around £650k and they would want that back and we can't loan him.

[Edinburgh Green]

Docherty will stay at Rangers until his contract expires. He’s that type of staunch blue nose that would sacrifice his career just to wear a rangers trackie every day.

[HoboHarry]

Docherty will stay at Rangers until his contract expires. He’s that type of staunch blue nose that would sacrifice his career just to wear a rangers trackie every day.
OK I'm all for slagging Sevco but that is just daft. Did he tell you that?

[MWHIBBIES]

Why are all new signings lumped in together? James and Jackson have been been good

[bingo70]

Why are all new signings lumped in together? James and Jackson have been been good

Because I don’t think any of them have been brilliant and none look like they’ll improve the first team.

Jackson looked alright but was dropped for Sunday so couldn’t have been that good. James wasn’t anything special and appearsdbto lack urgency before going off injured.

[yerauldda]

Because I don’t think any of them have been brilliant and none look like they’ll improve the first team.

Jackson looked alright but was dropped for Sunday so couldn’t have been that good. James wasn’t anything special and appearsdbto lack urgency before going off injured.

I can’t agree. James looks very good, the Stirling game aside. He’s very technically gifted.

[brog]

Because I don’t think any of them have been brilliant and none look like they’ll improve the first team.

Jackson looked alright but was dropped for Sunday so couldn’t have been that good. James wasn’t anything special and appearsdbto lack urgency before going off injured.
I don't think Jackson was dropped. I think it's more rotation for now & he possibly went for Darren's Ibrox experience & an expectation that Morelos would start. I expect Jackson to be a regular this season.

[bingo70]

I can’t agree. James looks very good, the Stirling game aside. He’s very technically gifted.

He’s looked alright but he was billed as an attacking right back, he has barely got out of second gear. All very well looking brilliant technically while hanging back but I’d like to have seen him bombing forward and hitting the bye line.

In his defence he has been played left back a lot so he may well come good but I still don’t think he’s shown much to get excited about so far.

[bingo70]

I don't think Jackson was dropped. I think it's more rotation for now & he possibly went for Darren's Ibrox experience & an expectation that Morelos would start. I expect Jackson to be a regular this season.

Call it what you want but to me that’s being dropped.

[bigwheel]

I don't think Jackson was dropped. I think it's more rotation for now & he possibly went for Darren's Ibrox experience & an expectation that Morelos would start. I expect Jackson to be a regular this season.

He was dropped ...surprisingly..but didn’t start - experience or not ...dropped

[cameronw-hfc]

Tam McManus hinting at a move for Cummings at hibs. Guy talks a load if pish most of the time so not sure what to make of it. Not sure how to link it but it's his last tweet.

[Hibeesmad]

Tam McManus hinting at a move for Cummings at hibs. Guy talks a load if pish most of the time so not sure what to make of it. Not sure how to link it but it's his last tweet.

He does get quite a few things spot on too, however the last time I read one of his tweets he said that boy from Motherwell would 100% be a Celtic player, a day later the deals off.

[Speedway]

Docherty will stay at Rangers until his contract expires. He’s that type of staunch blue nose that would sacrifice his career just to wear a rangers trackie every day.

I’d do that just to wear a Hibs trackie every day.

[bingo70]

He does get quite a few things spot on too, however the last time I read one of his tweets he said that boy from Motherwell would 100% be a Celtic player, a day later the deals off.

Tbf I don’t think anyone would have foreseen the deal falling through the way it did.

[Borderhibbie76]

Because I don’t think any of them have been brilliant and none look like they’ll improve the first team.

Jackson looked alright but was dropped for Sunday so couldn’t have been that good. James wasn’t anything special and appearsdbto lack urgency before going off injured.Sorry but that is utter nonsense...James has been very decent and Jackson was fine against St Mirren too..imo he should not have been dropped for Ibrox

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[Greencore]

Tam McManus hinting at a move for Cummings at hibs. Guy talks a load if pish most of the time

No he doesn't. He was one of the first to know about our investment.

[bingo70]

Sorry but that is utter nonsense...James has been very decent and Jackson was fine against St Mirren too..imo he should not have been dropped for Ibrox

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You might disagree but that doesn’t make it utter nonsense.

Jackson was alright but if he was that good he wouldn’t have been dropped, whether you think he should have been or not, that’s what happened.

Tom James played about 44 minutes and for 5-10 minutes of those he was injured. In the league cup games he was alright, but nothing brilliant, and that was against part time teams.

[bingo70]

No he doesn't. He was one of the first to know about our investment.

And the first in the media to report Lennon being suspended.

[B.H.F.C]

Sorry but that is utter nonsense...James has been very decent and Jackson was fine against St Mirren too..imo he should not have been dropped for Ibrox

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Is decent, at best, what we’re aiming for?

The only signing we’ve made who, unquestionably, improves the team is the one signing that wasn’t made by the current manager.

[Billy Whizz]

I'm sure Docherty cost around £650k and they would want that back and we can't loan him.

Have they settled up with Hamilton yet

[04Sauzee]

Have they settled up with Hamilton yet

Could t tell you to be honest Billy, if they haven't the buying club I'd guess would have to pick up the outstanding balance

[FilipinoHibs]

Tam McManus saying possibly one in cumming on another striker.

[Borderhibbie76]

Is decent, at best, what we’re aiming for?

The only signing we’ve made who, unquestionably, improves the team is the one signing that wasn’t made by the current manager.So far....we are 2 games into our league season.

I admit the jury is out on the new guys but why are people so quick to write them off ..its ludicrous after 180 minutes of league football.

Yes I am concerned and yes I think we need more signings but I dont get the clamour on here to write players off so soon...some of them havent even played the full 180 mins of our 2 matches...its crazy

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[Nicho87]

So far....we are 2 games into our league season.

I admit the jury is out on the new guys but why are people so quick to write them off ..its ludicrous after 180 minutes of league football.

Yes I am concerned and yes I think we need more signings but I dont get the clamour on here to write players off so soon...some of them havent even played the full 180 mins of our 2 matches...its crazy

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Think the stammering through the betfred cup didn’t help.

other players signed before made immediate impacts, why have these signings not. I like positivity but sometimes you got to face the truth.

[bingo70]

So far....we are 2 games into our league season.

I admit the jury is out on the new guys but why are people so quick to write them off ..its ludicrous after 180 minutes of league football.

Yes I am concerned and yes I think we need more signings but I dont get the clamour on here to write players off so soon...some of them havent even played the full 180 mins of our 2 matches...its crazy

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There’s been league cup games before these though and whilst they’re not a full proof way of judging players none of them look brilliant.

You can tell Scott Allan is a class act already, why do we need to wait 10-15 games for the other new guys to start showing us what they’re really all about?

FWIW I think Vela could well turn out to be a good player if he can get some help in there, if we continually ask him to be our only midfielder that gets stuck in and also be our play maker he’ll be a poor signing too.

[Borderhibbie76]

Think the stammering through the betfred cup didn’t help.

other players signed before made immediate impacts, why have these signings not. I like positivity but sometimes you got to face the truth.Nope it's still far too early imo...and the Betfred cup games are just glorified friendlies and were used as such...we did what we needed to do to win the group and get seeded without ever playing a full strength team.

I have my doubts and fears about the squad and some of the new guys like everyone else...I just am not prepared to write them off after 2 matches that's all.

It's almost like quite a few posters cant wait to say "I told you so" and actually want them all to be Tom Kite

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[BlackSheep]

There’s been league cup games before these though and whilst they’re not a full proof way of judging players none of them look brilliant.

You can tell Scott Allan is a class act already, why do we need to wait 10-15 games for the other new guys to start showing us what they’re really all about?

FWIW I think Vela could well turn out to be a good player if he can get some help in there, if we continually ask him to be our only midfielder that gets stuck in and also be our play maker he’ll be a poor signing too.

Don’t think it’ll take 10-15 games to get the new boys up to speed, but the league cup games m, whilst technically competitive, are not the same as league games and seeing as the manager saw it that way and experimented with teams and tactics, they are almost a write off.

Yes Allan is looking great already but all this is familiar to him, the Scottish game, his teams mates, where he lives and the rest of his personal life haven’t changed much, if any, so it’s just business as usual for him.

The new boys should get a bit more time to adjust and settle in... that’s not gonna happen after 6/7 games (most of which are at friendly levels).

[KeithTheHibby]

I don't think Jackson was dropped. I think it's more rotation for now & he possibly went for Darren's Ibrox experience & an expectation that Morelos would start. I expect Jackson to be a regular this season.

Why change your back 4 after a clean sheet? Jackson was solid against St Mirren.

[bingo70]

Don’t think it’ll take 10-15 games to get the new boys up to speed, but the league cup games m, whilst technically competitive, are not the same as league games and seeing as the manager saw it that way and experimented with teams and tactics, they are almost a write off.

Yes Allan is looking great already but all this is familiar to him, the Scottish game, his teams mates, where he lives and the rest of his personal life haven’t changed much, if any, so it’s just business as usual for him.

The new boys should get a bit more time to adjust and settle in... that’s not gonna happen after 6/7 games (most of which are at friendly levels).

The pre-season friendlies had the alarm bells ringing but we were told not to judge them on these games, wait till the competitive game starts, after the league cup games i was a bit more concerned but told not to judge them on these games, wait till we see them in league matches, now we’ve had a couple of league matches we are being told we can’t judge them until more league games.

Surely good players are good players, if they’re not showing it now I’m not sure they will.

Despite what I’m saying above I’m not completely writing them off, they’ll
have my full support on match days however on a Hibs forum to discuss all things Hibs I don’t think it’s unreasonable to discuss the lack of impact any of Heckingbottoms signings have made so far.

[GreenCastle]

Bring Cummings back! He is made for Hibs and vice versa.

Sign a defensive midfielder.

Add another wide player with speed / trickery.

If Cummings ends up at Hearts with Lafferty - can you imagine..

[jacomo]

The pre-season friendlies had the alarm bells ringing but we were told not to judge them on these games, wait till the competitive game starts, after the league cup games i was a bit more concerned but told not to judge them on these games, wait till we see them in league matches, now we’ve had a couple of league matches we are being told we can’t judge them until more league games.

Surely good players are good players, if they’re not showing it now I’m not sure they will.

Despite what I’m saying above I’m not completely writing them off, they’ll
have my full support on match days however on a Hibs forum to discuss all things Hibs I don’t think it’s unreasonable to discuss the lack of impact any of Heckingbottoms signings have made so far.


Come on now, we were chopping and changing the team throughout the league cup games to give players game time.

That much was obvious and you’d expect play to be a bit disjointed, but we got through pretty comfortably.

You were told not to judge the team on those games because it was good advice.

[BlackSheep]

The pre-season friendlies had the alarm bells ringing but we were told not to judge them on these games, wait till the competitive game starts, after the league cup games i was a bit more concerned but told not to judge them on these games, wait till we see them in league matches, now we’ve had a couple of league matches we are being told we can’t judge them until more league games.

Surely good players are good players, if they’re not showing it now I’m not sure they will.

Despite what I’m saying above I’m not completely writing them off, they’ll
have my full support on match days however on a Hibs forum to discuss all things Hibs I don’t think it’s unreasonable to discuss the lack of impact any of Heckingbottoms signings have made so far.

And it’s only been 2 league games... everyone was worried after the St Mirren game... but look at their result at the weekend, turns out a 1-0 win against them isn’t that bad a result considering they beat one of closer competitors. As for the Rangers game... these things happen, if we had pumped St Mirren 5-0, then perspective would again be different when losing like that to Rangers. We lost 2-6 at home to Rangers then went on to win the Scottish Cup in the same season... we are barely a few weeks into the season and have half a team of new faces, with another just arrived and potentially more to come... patience is something we hibs fans have never had, but I think we need some now.

[JackHibs]

Jason’s close mate Lee McGregor talking him up on twitter saying

Desperate to come back to Scotland
Chomping at the bit to play for hearts
Should bring him in before Hibs do

Sounds very much like Cummings is telling him to get the message out there.


Think you need to read that tweet again mate:confused:

It reads 'Dying to get a move back to scotland i cannot understand why hearts havent snapped him up yet! Trust me this boy would score goals for us and he's exactly what we need!'

[MWHIBBIES]

Because I don’t think any of them have been brilliant and none look like they’ll improve the first team.

Jackson looked alright but was dropped for Sunday so couldn’t have been that good. James wasn’t anything special and appearsdbto lack urgency before going off injured.

James has already improved us because the alternative is crocked Gray or aging Whittaker. Just because he doesn't run around charging into tackles doesn't make him a poor player. Already seen him make passes out of the back that Gray simply couldn't. Jackson isn't good because he didn't start Sunday? Are you serious? Kamberi didn't start either and he is easily our best striker.

[Unseen work]

Think you need to read that tweet again mate:confused:

It reads 'Dying to get a move back to scotland i cannot understand why hearts havent snapped him up yet! Trust me this boy would score goals for us and he's exactly what we need!'

Theres about 4/5 tweets about it mate where he says he would go to them in a heart beat, knows he would go to them and is chomping at the bit to go and play for them.

[Hibeesmad]

Theres about 4/5 tweets about it mate where he says he would go to them in a heart beat, knows he would go to them and is chomping at the bit to go and play for them.

I’m pretty confident if the opportunity arose JC would have no issue going there

[Unseen work]

I’m pretty confident if the opportunity arose JC would have no issue going there

Likewise, although a part of me is thinking (hoping) that him and his mate are at it in an attempt to push hibs on and get the deal done sooner rather than later. The threat of hearts might just do the trick

Cummings loves a wind up and I’m sure his mate does too.

[JackHibs]

Theres about 4/5 tweets about it mate where he says he would go to them in a heart beat, knows he would go to them and is chomping at the bit to go and play for them.

I stand corrected, just had a look in the replies and see what your on about now.

Guess I just didn't want it to be true:boo hoo:

[Since452]

Cummings would go there in a heartbeat. Beggars can't be choosers as they say. If an Edinburgh club came in for him he'd think all his Christmas's had come at once. I don't think either club will though. He'll end up at St Mirren or the like.

[brog]

Why change your back 4 after a clean sheet? Jackson was solid against St Mirren.

For the same reason Morelos was on the bench for The Rangers. You have more players for a position than can start so you rotate. Those saying Jackson was 'dropped' presumably think Scotty was hooked because he was playing poorly. As with Jackson it was a tactical decision. I'm not sure either were the correct decisions but i can understand the logic. I suspect PH may regret his choice & I expect to see Jackson/Hanlon going forward until RP is fully fit.

[blackpoolhibs]

Come on now, we were chopping and changing the team throughout the league cup games to give players game time.

That much was obvious and you’d expect play to be a bit disjointed, but we got through pretty comfortably.

You were told not to judge the team on those games because it was good advice.

Which the manager has continued to do now we are into the league games, Doige for Kamberi and Daz for Jackson 2 baffling decisions.

[B.H.F.C]

For the same reason Morelos was on the bench for The Rangers. You have more players for a position than can start so you rotate. Those saying Jackson was 'dropped' presumably think Scotty was hooked because he was playing poorly. As with Jackson it was a tactical decision. I'm not sure either were the correct decisions but i can understand the logic. I suspect PH may regret his choice & I expect to see Jackson/Hanlon going forward until RP is fully fit.

Morelos has just played away from home in Europe less than 72 hours before and they have a player of Defoe’s quality to bring in. Not really comparable.

[Percy Vere]

So far....we are 2 games into our league season.

I admit the jury is out on the new guys but why are people so quick to write them off ..its ludicrous after 180 minutes of league football.

Yes I am concerned and yes I think we need more signings but I dont get the clamour on here to write players off so soon...some of them havent even played the full 180 mins of our 2 matches...its crazy

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Absolutely agree.
I understand the hurt after the weekend but we really need to get behind the manager and the team. Especially the new players.
Let's see where we are at the turn of the year.
Heck is undoubtedly a very good manager, we saw him turn us around last season.
We need a striker (JC be great) and likely a midfielder. I don't think Heck would disagree but once again Hibs need to loosen the purse strings and often they just won't. Hope this time they do and we have the balance that PH wants.

[Percy Vere]

Glad to see some sensible posting here.
Hibs doom mongers don't need much excuse to rip into managers or players. Sunday was very poor, but as supporters we need to get behind them when times are tough. The clues in the word supporters.
That said, we do need a striker and a midfielder and I would take JC back ASAP and trust PH to get the best out of him. Just as I think his signings will come good with game time and encouragement.
Question is, will the board support PH? they should, even just on the evidence of last season. Let's get behind the team and the manager and see where we are in December.
GGTTH

[hibsmad]

Absolutely agree.
I understand the hurt after the weekend but we really need to get behind the manager and the team. Especially the new players.
Let's see where we are at the turn of the year.
Heck is undoubtedly a very good manager, we saw him turn us around last season.
We need a striker (JC be great) and likely a midfielder. I don't think Heck would disagree but once again Hibs need to loosen the purse strings and often they just won't. Hope this time they do and we have the balance that PH wants.

My concern is that we already have loosened the purse strings. All the guys we brought up from England seemed to come with a good pedigree. Even in the lower leagues down there, there isn't any shortage of money. Vela in particular, who could go on to become an excellent player for us, I get the feeling will be costing us a fair whack in wages.

[Since452]

Whats King Dom Malonga up to these days?

[J-C]

Which the manager has continued to do now we are into the league games, Doige for Kamberi and Daz for Jackson 2 baffling decisions.

Rotation is normal in the modern game, Firmino last night being a good example. You can have back up who sit on the bench and get a game now and then, or you have a strong squad who get rotated, do we want players like Mavrias, Nelom etc as bench warmers or players pushing others for their starting spot.

[Not In The Know]

My concern is that we already have loosened the purse strings. All the guys we brought up from England seemed to come with a good pedigree. Even in the lower leagues down there, there isn't any shortage of money. Vela in particular, who could go on to become an excellent player for us, I get the feeling will be costing us a fair whack in wages.

That's my fear. A 4-5 grand a week lower championship / top of league one player. Is basically a 2-3 grand a week SPFL player ability wise.

We are now paying high wages for average SPFL players.

FYI i also think Vela will come good. Hopefully very good....

[blackpoolhibs]

Rotation is normal in the modern game, Firmino last night being a good example. You can have back up who sit on the bench and get a game now and then, or you have a strong squad who get rotated, do we want players like Mavrias, Nelom etc as bench warmers or players pushing others for their starting spot.

How do we get any sort of consistency if you play one week and not the next? Players also get injured and suspended, lose form too.

There will always be changes over a season that are not predicted down to this, there's no need to change the team just for the sake of it, was Neil Lennon not slaughtered for doing exactly the same thing?

[Heisenberg]

EEN journo reckons neither Lafferty or Cummings will be signing for Hearts.

[SquashedFrogg]

How do we get any sort of consistency if you play one week and not the next? Players also get injured and suspended, lose form too.

There will always be changes over a season that are not predicted down to this, there's no need to change the team just for the sake of it, was Neil Lennon not slaughtered for doing exactly the same thing?

Agree with this. Our best spells were when we had pretty much same team each week.

[J-C]

How do we get any sort of consistency if you play one week and not the next? Players also get injured and suspended, lose form too.

There will always be changes over a season that are not predicted down to this, there's no need to change the team just for the sake of it, was Neil Lennon not slaughtered for doing exactly the same thing?

I don't think you change anything for the sake of it on a weekly basis but it keeps players fresh and they know there's someone waiting to take their place.

[Tyler Durden]

Rotation is normal in the modern game, Firmino last night being a good example. You can have back up who sit on the bench and get a game now and then, or you have a strong squad who get rotated, do we want players like Mavrias, Nelom etc as bench warmers or players pushing others for their starting spot.

Rotation is fine if you’re getting results. When you lose or massively under perform as Hibs did on Sunday then the manager has made the wrong decisions and deserves to be criticised.

Not many successful teams routinely rotate their centre halves either. Strange move by Hecky which has just brought unnecessary pressure and scrutiny entirely of his own making

[Smartie]

That's my fear. A 4-5 grand a week lower championship / top of league one player. Is basically a 2-3 grand a week SPFL player ability wise.

We are now paying high wages for average SPFL players.

FYI i also think Vela will come good. Hopefully very good....

That's exactly what I'm starting to have a hunch has happened - we've shopped in a league where wages and transfer fees are inflated so you pay many times over for fairly average talent. Our budget has by and large been wasted.

Vela has shown flashes in games that he has ability and in a better unit I think he could show his worth.

Re Doidge and the like, I'm a bit concerned that we pushed the boat out for a player whose main signing credentials were Bolton's interest in signing him and paying £1m. This is a club who have spent their money so wisely that they've been on the brink of extinction for a few years, hardly a ringing endorsement.

[Edinburgh Green]

OK I'm all for slagging Sevco but that is just daft. Did he tell you that?

Nope, only my opinion. Not sure what slagging Sevco has to do with it? :confused:

[Since452]

Mark Atkinson (jouno) Tweeting that Cummings won't be going to Hibs

[SMAXXA]

Rotation is fine if you’re getting results. When you lose or massively under perform as Hibs did on Sunday then the manager has made the wrong decisions and deserves to be criticised.

Not many successful teams routinely rotate their centre halves either. Strange move by Hecky which has just brought unnecessary pressure and scrutiny entirely of his own making

I agree with this I cannot believe he dropped Jackson for Mcgregor who ultimately cost us a few goals

[Ronniekirk]

[QUOTE=bingo70;5887627]The pre-season friendlies had the alarm bells ringing but we were told not to judge them on these games, wait till the competitive game starts, after the league cup games i was a bit more concerned but told not to judge them on these games, wait till we see them in league matches, now we’ve had a couple of league matches we are being told we can’t judge them until more league games.

Surely good players are good players, if they’re not showing it now I’m not sure they will.

Despite what I’m saying above I’m not completely writing them off, they’ll
have my full support on match days however on a Hibs forum to discuss all things Hibs I don’t think it’s unreasonable to discuss the lack of impact any of Heckingbottoms signings have made so far.[/


Below is my response to above post some how they became intertwined

We haven’t yet seen our strongest team out yet imo
Now Middleton will need games to get match sharpness and Gray and Porteous Will also need game time and Stevenson also in a few weeks plus we will defo bring in at least one other player who will be looking for first team place imo
Not been that happy to date but think we need to see where we are after another four or five league games including the Derby

[Percy Vere]

My concern is that we already have loosened the purse strings. All the guys we brought up from England seemed to come with a good pedigree. Even in the lower leagues down there, there isn't any shortage of money. Vela in particular, who could go on to become an excellent player for us, I get the feeling will be costing us a fair whack in wages.

Yeah I agree. But always feels like Hibs always stop short when they should put in the extra to improve the team. I reckon most of the signings will come good. But at the very least a goalscorer is needed and a ball winning midfielder.

[brog]

How do we get any sort of consistency if you play one week and not the next? Players also get injured and suspended, lose form too.

There will always be changes over a season that are not predicted down to this, there's no need to change the team just for the sake of it, was Neil Lennon not slaughtered for doing exactly the same thing?

There's arguments for & against rotation. I'm very much on fence here as I don't really care as long as either way works. Interestingly Gerrard is in DR (I know) today extolling the virtues of rotation & why he's left out Morelos, Arfield, Ojo etc etc etc in recent games. My point was Jackson was not "dropped" & neither was Flo. PH picked a team he thought was best suited for a trip to The Rangers & he'll be judged on that. It backfired spectacularly but we were possibly only one red card & 10 minutes away from having the crowd turn on their team. PH is taking a long term view. Darren needs more time these days to get up to speed after a lay off. He (& others) have to be match fit when needed & that can only happen by playing in games. Expect more rotation especially now we'll have 4 wingers when Boyle is hopefully back fit.

[brog]

Rotation is fine if you’re getting results. When you lose or massively under perform as Hibs did on Sunday then the manager has made the wrong decisions and deserves to be criticised.

Not many successful teams routinely rotate their centre halves either. Strange move by Hecky which has just brought unnecessary pressure and scrutiny entirely of his own making

Apart from Man C & Liverpool! :wink:

[Percy Vere]

[QUOTE=bingo70;5887627]The pre-season friendlies had the alarm bells ringing but we were told not to judge them on these games, wait till the competitive game starts, after the league cup games i was a bit more concerned but told not to judge them on these games, wait till we see them in league matches, now we’ve had a couple of league matches we are being told we can’t judge them until more league games.

Good players are good players.
But players take time to settle, new league, new team mates, new style of play. It's only game two in the league!
Also good players come good at different times.
Thierry Henry scored something like three goals in his first 20 games at Arsenal. Not suggesting Doidge is an Henry but let's give him and the others time and see what they can do.

Surely good players are good players, if they’re not showing it now I’m not sure they will.

Despite what I’m saying above I’m not completely writing them off, they’ll
have my full support on match days however on a Hibs forum to discuss all things Hibs I don’t think it’s unreasonable to discuss the lack of impact any of Heckingbottoms signings have made so far.[/

We haven’t yet seen our strongest team out yet imo
Now Middleton will need games to get match sharpness and Gray and Porteous Will also need game time and Stevenson also in a few weeks plus we will defo bring in at least one other player who will be looking for first team place imo
Not been that happy to date but think we need to see where we are after another four or five league games including the Derby

[SMAXXA]

There's arguments for & against rotation. I'm very much on fence here as I don't really care as long as either way works. Interestingly Gerrard is in DR (I know) today extolling the virtues of rotation & why he's left out Morelos, Arfield, Ojo etc etc etc in recent games. My point was Jackson was not "dropped" & neither was Flo. PH picked a team he thought was best suited for a trip to The Rangers & he'll be judged on that. It backfired spectacularly but we were possibly only one red card & 10 minutes away from having the crowd turn on their team. PH is taking a long term view. Darren needs more time these days to get up to speed after a lay off. He (& others) have to be match fit when needed & that can only happen by playing in games. Expect more rotation especially now we'll have 4 wingers when Boyle is hopefully back fit.

Agree Mcgregor needs game time to get upto speed but that shouldn’t be coming away to rangers imo

[SHODAN]

We're not going to sign anyone else, are we?

[jacomo]

Agree Mcgregor needs game time to get upto speed but that shouldn’t be coming away to rangers imo


I thought Big Daz was the right call for Ibrox and probably got that wrong. He's obviously nearer the end of his career than the beginning, but he's got the muscle memory of big matches v the Huns and I thought he would pull a big performance out of the bag.

No first choice full backs, no Boyle, a midfield all at sea... plenty of reasons for Sunday's performance.

[Smartie]

I agree with this I cannot believe he dropped Jackson for Mcgregor who ultimately cost us a few goals

With hindsight yes, that is a fair comment, but McGregor has done enough in his time at Hibs (up until Saturday) to suggest that he is a worthy first pick.

FWIW I don't think there's much between our 4 CB's, and it was far from unreasonable to go with his most tried and tested pairing for a big game at Ibrox.

With hindsight it was probably wrong, but with Jackson playing we might have lost 10. We'll never know.

[Gypsy King]

Mates just text me saying Cummings to Hibs is on.

Interesting - wonder if this is Hecky or the Recruitment team.

Personally think a three year deal with a reasonable release clause would be best for all involved.

Reckon he will get 15+ in is first season back with us.

[tonyrougier123]

Mates just text me saying Cummings to Hibs is on.

Interesting - wonder if this is Hecky or the Recruitment team.

Personally think a three year deal with a reasonable release clause would be best for all involved.

Reckon he will get 15+ in is first season back with us.

Panic stations as they know fans are raging.

[Captain Trips]

Mates just text me saying Cummings to Hibs is on.

Interesting - wonder if this is Hecky or the Recruitment team.

Personally think a three year deal with a reasonable release clause would be best for all involved.

Reckon he will get 15+ in is first season back with us.

Tell him i will have a sausage roll please :greengrin

[Rumble de Thump]

Panic stations as they know fans are raging.

Well they have to do something to put an end to our shambolic one game losing streak.

[S4uzee]

Mates just text me saying Cummings to Hibs is on.

Interesting - wonder if this is Hecky or the Recruitment team.

Personally think a three year deal with a reasonable release clause would be best for all involved.

Reckon he will get 15+ in is first season back with us.
Surely the EEN journalist is more reliable and just said it wasn’t happening?

[Heisenberg]

Oli Shaw to St Johnstone (or another interested Premiership club) on loan. Surely means we are going for another striker.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/st-johnstone-lead-premiership-loan-chase-for-hibs-striker-oli-shaw-1-4984200

[Gypsy King]

Surely the EEN journalist is more reliable and just said it wasn’t happening?

He isn't normally wrong.

Time will tell

[Gypsy King]

Oli Shaw to St Johnstone (or another interested Premiership club) on loan. Surely means we are going for another striker.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/st-johnstone-lead-premiership-loan-chase-for-hibs-striker-oli-shaw-1-4984200

Think that would be a good move for him

[500miles]

Oli Shaw to St Johnstone (or another interested Premiership club) on loan. Surely means we are going for another striker.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/st-johnstone-lead-premiership-loan-chase-for-hibs-striker-oli-shaw-1-4984200

Good move. He's got the ability, but needs consistency.

[SHODAN]

Oli Shaw to St Johnstone (or another interested Premiership club) on loan. Surely means we are going for another striker.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/st-johnstone-lead-premiership-loan-chase-for-hibs-striker-oli-shaw-1-4984200

Would be a great move for him and us. Guaranteed we're after another striker too.

[Hibeesmad]

Oli Shaw to St Johnstone (or another interested Premiership club) on loan. Surely means we are going for another striker.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/st-johnstone-lead-premiership-loan-chase-for-hibs-striker-oli-shaw-1-4984200

Perfect move for him

[flash]

We're not going to sign anyone else, are we?

Yes we are.

[Billy Whizz]

Oli Shaw to St Johnstone (or another interested Premiership club) on loan. Surely means we are going for another striker.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/st-johnstone-lead-premiership-loan-chase-for-hibs-striker-oli-shaw-1-4984200

Same agent as Cummings😄

[supermcginn]

Said on here 2 months ago shaw would be away on loan or perm. Not in hecks plans.

[Speedway]

Does this mean St. J are letting us win the race for Stevie May in exchange?

[The 90+2]

Oli Shaw to St Johnstone (or another interested Premiership club) on loan. Surely means we are going for another striker.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/st-johnstone-lead-premiership-loan-chase-for-hibs-striker-oli-shaw-1-4984200

Said this about a month ago, good move for him.

[Sean1875]

Oli Shaw to St Johnstone (or another interested Premiership club) on loan. Surely means we are going for another striker.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/st-johnstone-lead-premiership-loan-chase-for-hibs-striker-oli-shaw-1-4984200

Exactly what OS needs just now. You've got to think we must be confident of getting another striker in too (JC?) if we're willing to let Shaw go on loan, cant possibly be thinking of sticking with only 2 first team strikers.

[BoomtownHibees]

Does this mean St. J are letting us win the race for Stevie May in exchange?

Please no

[Hibeesmad]

I think Shaw going out on loan was inevitable

[Leith Green]

Watch him bang in 15-20 goals this season

[Hibeesmad]

Watch him bang in 15-20 goals this season

Hopefully

[Hibernian32]

Watch him bang in 15-20 goals this season
Recalled in January if its looking that way

[supermcginn]

Watch him bang in 15-20 goals this season

St johnstone will be lucky if they score that amount all season never mind shaw.

[Hibeesmad]

As much as I hate to say it, Hearts recruitment has me genuinely feeling as if they have the third strongest squad in the league. Sack Levein and they are stick ons for top four.

[Percy Vere]

Perfect move for him

Can't go forward (haha) with only two recognised strikers. So Oli goes we must bring in at least one other. I think three is light. Couple of injuries and we are one up top.

[Hibeesmad]

Can't go forward (haha) with only two recognised strikers. So Oli goes we must bring in at least one other. I think three is light. Couple of injuries and we are one up top.

Then it would have to be time to get Gullan into the mix, if he’s still here

[Hibiza]

Good luck Oli

[Tyler Durden]

Apart from Man C & Liverpool! :wink:

They really don’t.

Check how many games Matip and Van Dijk started together last season.

[J-C]

I didn't get the Doidge signing when we already had Shaw, what spend all that money?

[wallpaperman]

As much as I hate to say it, Hearts recruitment has me genuinely feeling as if they have the third strongest squad in the league. Sack Levein and they are stick ons for top four.

They are flashing the cash again.

Folk on kickback saying Whelan’s on £8k per week plus incentives. You can bet that Naismith will be on at least that.

I suppose if the ‘mystery benefactor’ is willing to hand over money to pay these wages it’s fair enough, but I doubt they are living within their means if you took that money out. Same old Hearts, they can’t help themselves.

[04Sauzee]

He isn't normally wrong.

Time will tell

What else has your mate shared with you regarding Hibs transfers that have come true?

[Since452]

They are flashing the cash again.

Folk on kickback saying Whelan’s on £8k per week plus incentives. You can bet that Naismith will be on at least that.

I suppose if the ‘mystery benefactor’ is willing to hand over money to pay these wages it’s fair enough, but I doubt they are living within their means if you took that money out. Same old Hearts, they can’t help themselves.

If they want to pay a 36 year old that kind of dough they can knock themselves out

[Barman Stanton]

I didn't get the Doidge signing when we already had Shaw, what spend all that money?

Probably because the recruitment team think he is a better player. I know he has already been written off as a dud on here after 1 and a half league games, but who knows there may actually be a player in there

[Hermit Crab]

We're not going to sign anyone else, are we?

If we don't Hecky will be gone by October.

[RG63]

[QUOTE=Ronniekirk;5888020]
What has struck me in the first two league games and to a degree the LC games is a lack of hunger and desire from the majority of players with one or two exceptions. Although on Sunday we were second best for most of the game at least four of the goals could have been avoided with a bit more commitment to either win a tackle or stop an attack. We don’t seem to have any ball winners after SJM and Bartley. Mathie and Craig have to take a share of the blame for the recruitment policy. A bit controversial but I would take either or both of Lafferty and Cummings. I also noticed that Wilfred Bone was training with an English league 1 team! Surely someone like that would be worth a punt for a season.

[Torto7]

Mates just text me saying Cummings to Hibs is on.

Interesting - wonder if this is Hecky or the Recruitment team.

Personally think a three year deal with a reasonable release clause would be best for all involved.

Reckon he will get 15+ in is first season back with us.

He's in no position to be demanding that. If the deal goes ahead then it should be on our terms.

There's a lot of risk to signing him. What kind of shape is he in? Has the last few years dented his confidence-remove the lads cheekiness and I'm not sure whats left as a top division player.

I'd sign him provided the deal suits us.

[supermcginn]

I didn't get the Doidge signing when we already had Shaw, what spend all that money?

Beacuse the manager rates one and not the other. Simple.

[FilipinoHibs]

I didn't get the Doidge signing when we already had Shaw, what spend all that money?

We should be developing Shaw. Ph has stalled his development and now we have splashed cash on a tier 4 donkey.

[Brightside]

I didn't get the Doidge signing when we already had Shaw, what spend all that money?

Because he is much better than Shaw?

[Torto7]

[QUOTE=Percy Vere;5888026]
What has struck me in the first two league games and to a degree the LC games is a lack of hunger and desire from the majority of players with one or two exceptions. Although on Sunday we were second best for most of the game at least four of the goals could have been avoided with a bit more commitment to either win a tackle or stop an attack. We don’t seem to have any ball winners after SJM and Bartley. Mathie and Craig have to take a share of the blame for the recruitment policy. A bit controversial but I would take either or both of Lafferty and Cummings. I also noticed that Wilfred Bone was training with an English league 1 team! Surely someone like that would be worth a punt for a season.

I don't know. Looking at the signings they all seem to be from PH's backyard.

[Northernhibee]

I didn't get the Doidge signing when we already had Shaw, what spend all that money?

Doidge wins a lot in the air, Shaw doesn't.

Similarly in a sprint, Shaw would destroy Doidge.

Two very different strikers.

[Gypsy King]

He's in no position to be demanding that. If the deal goes ahead then it should be on our terms.

There's a lot of risk to signing him. What kind of shape is he in? Has the last few years dented his confidence-remove the lads cheekiness and I'm not sure whats left as a top division player.

I'd sign him provided the deal suits us.

I meant reasonable for us. Unlike the last one.

[Torto7]

I meant reasonable for us. Unlike the last one.

O.k got you.

How about 25 mill for most clubs and 50 for the huns or gunts?

[flash]

We should be developing Shaw. Ph has stalled his development and now we have splashed cash on a tier 4 donkey.

Lovely.

[Since452]

We should be developing Shaw. Ph has stalled his development and now we have splashed cash on a tier 4 donkey.

Shaw was so good last season we brought McNulty in before Heckingbottom was here

[CapitalGreen]

We should be developing Shaw. Ph has stalled his development and now we have splashed cash on a tier 4 donkey.

Poor from you Rafa.

[J-C]

Doidge wins a lot in the air, Shaw doesn't.

Similarly in a sprint, Shaw would destroy Doidge.

Two very different strikers.

If we're playing 3 up top then Shaw is a better choice.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

I think shaws been here long enough, if he was going to get any better then we would be seeing that on the park

[brog]

A genuine question. Is there any current top tier SPFL team with a more prolific home grown striker than Oli Shaw?

[Speedway]

They are flashing the cash again.

Folk on kickback saying Whelan’s on £8k per week plus incentives. You can bet that Naismith will be on at least that.

I suppose if the ‘mystery benefactor’ is willing to hand over money to pay these wages it’s fair enough, but I doubt they are living within their means if you took that money out. Same old Hearts, they can’t help themselves.

Either that or it’s the FoH cash being used.

[Smartie]

A genuine question. Is there any current top tier SPFL team with a more prolific home grown striker than Oli Shaw?

Whilst it's a fair and interesting question it is also a pretty low bar, as I can't think of any top tier team with a home grown striker.

Do Hearts have a 5th or 6th choice Irish boy?

[Allant1981]

We should be developing Shaw. Ph has stalled his development and now we have splashed cash on a tier 4 donkey.

You dont half spout some rubbish

[The 90+2]

Whilst it's a fair and interesting question it is also a pretty low bar, as I can't think of any top tier team with a home grown striker.

Do Hearts have a 5th or 6th choice Irish boy?

Connor McLennan?

[hibee-boys]

A genuine question. Is there any current top tier SPFL team with a more prolific home grown striker than Oli Shaw?

Doubt it, Shaw is one of the best in Europe.

Sorry, couldn't resist🙈

[GreenCastle]

Shaw going on loan would make sense.

He needs a run of games at a decent level.

He’s also not a left winger of a front 3.

Shaw like Cummings and Flo really needs a strike partner. I know Flo can try play lone striker but even when Doidge came on against Saints he played better with help.

Flos best football has been with someone alongside him.

Playing 2 up would also help Heckys high press as much easier as a 2 than as an individual. 3-5-2 possibly or 4-1-3-2 (if we find a proper defensive midfielder).

[Since452]

Either that or it’s the FoH cash being used.

Somebody said they're raking in 200k per month through FOH so quite possibly

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Shaw going on loan would make sense.

He needs a run of games at a decent level.

He’s also not a left winger of a front 3.

Shaw like Cummings and Flo really needs a strike partner. I know Flo can try play lone striker but even when Doidge came on against Saints he played better with help.

Flos best football has been with someone alongside him.

Playing 2 up would also help Heckys high press as much easier as a 2 than as an individual. 3-5-2 possibly or 4-1-3-2 (if we find a proper defensive midfielder).

Well said GC

[Since90+2]

A genuine question. Is there any current top tier SPFL team with a more prolific home grown striker than Oli Shaw?

If by home grown you mean Scottish then Griffiths.

[mvteng]

Shaw going on loan would make sense.



It would only make sense if we have another striker coming in.

Any injury to either Kamberi (or Doidge) and we will struggle.

From what I've seen, I would play him instead of Doidge. I think a Kamberi/Shaw partnership could blossom

[The 90+2]

If by home grown you mean Scottish then Griffiths.

I’m thinking brought through by that particular team.

[The 90+2]

It would only make sense if we have another striker coming in.

Any injury to either Kamberi (or Doidge) and we will struggle.

From what I've seen, I would play him instead of Doidge. I think a Kamberi/Shaw partnership could blossom

We would struggle regardless of Shaw being there if he’s played up top on his own in any game probably ever.

Even Steven Fletcher, who’s probably the best player we’ve produced up front who is completely natural at playing up top on his own cane through at Hibs on the left, then up top as a two for years before he ever played a line striking role.

[Speedway]

Doidge wins a lot in the air, Shaw doesn't.

Similarly in a sprint, Shaw would destroy Doidge.

Two very different strikers.

Yet similar in that neither is prolific.

[Robbo6-2]

Another point that concerns me about Heckingbottom is the development of Oli Shaw.

Prior to Heckingbottom arriving Oli was coming onto a game and scored a few goals and had a really good game at home to Aberdeen.

Since then, Hecky has persisted in playing him out of position wide left coming off the bench for limited minutes here and there. No wonder his confidence is shot to pieces.

Its clear as day hes never a left winger in a front three
Theres definitely a player there and i think a regular run playing up front with another club will do him the world of good.

By the time he comes back i think the manager will be out the door anyway

[BlackSheep]

Shaw going on loan would make sense.

He needs a run of games at a decent level.

He’s also not a left winger of a front 3.

Shaw like Cummings and Flo really needs a strike partner. I know Flo can try play lone striker but even when Doidge came on against Saints he played better with help.

Flos best football has been with someone alongside him.

Playing 2 up would also help Heckys high press as much easier as a 2 than as an individual. 3-5-2 possibly or 4-1-3-2 (if we find a proper defensive midfielder).

Would love to see this formation played...

Marciano

Lewy
Porteous
Jackson
Gray/James

Vela

Middleton
Allan
Horgan

Flo
Doidge/Shaw/Cummings (wishful thinking!)

My only issue with it would be the lightweight midfield.

[Barman Stanton]

Another point that concerns me about Heckingbottom is the development of Oli Shaw.

Prior to Heckingbottom arriving Oli was coming onto a game and scored a few goals and had a really good game at home to Aberdeen.

Since then, Hecky has persisted in playing him out of position wide left coming off the bench for limited minutes here and there. No wonder his confidence is shot to pieces.

Its clear as day hes never a left winger in a front three
Theres definitely a player there and i think a regular run playing up front with another club will do him the world of good.

By the time he comes back i think the manager will be out the door anyway

The one good thing about all the new players is that Shaw is not the subject of the abuse this season. In fact, such is the dislike for our new players, some now want him to be given a chance. What a strange place this forum us at times.

[brog]

Whilst it's a fair and interesting question it is also a pretty low bar, as I can't think of any top tier team with a home grown striker.

Do Hearts have a 5th or 6th choice Irish boy?

The fact that it's a low bar is what made me ask the question. I really couldn't think of any top tier club with a prolific striker who they had brought through the ranks. Someone mentioned McLennan at Dons, I like him but he's got 3 top league goals. To me it just shows how difficult it is & maybe we should appreciate Oli more. Having said that I wouldn't be averse to him going on loan to St J if he was adequately replaced.

[GreenCastle]

It would only make sense if we have another striker coming in.

Any injury to either Kamberi (or Doidge) and we will struggle.

From what I've seen, I would play him instead of Doidge. I think a Kamberi/Shaw partnership could blossom

Of course - Shaw going and no one coming in would be madness.

[Billy Whizz]

A genuine question. Is there any current top tier SPFL team with a more prolific home grown striker than Oli Shaw?

Yet all we do is knock them down

[The_Horde]

Yet all we do is knock them down

If you can't hack the pressure you're not ready for Hibs.

[Billy Whizz]

If you can't hack the pressure you're not ready for Hibs.

You’re not suggesting Oli can’t take the pressure, are you?

[The_Horde]

You’re not suggesting Oli can’t take the pressure, are you?

Nope. Isn't that what you were getting at?

[Since452]

Shaw going to St Johnstone would be a great move for him. He needs to be playing and producing regularly.

[Unseen work]

Would be a brilliant move for Shaw going to St Johnstone and I personally am very confident he would score a lot of goals playing week in week out.

Another poster was spot on, there’s not many that have a youth team striker as good as Shaw coming through m. In a sense he’s been a bit unlucky that when he’s hit a bit of form he’s not been in the team much long after, it kind of seemed like he was always going to get dropped no matter what he done.

Hes bigger and faster now so hopefully being the main man somewhere will benfit him hugely.

[ahibby]

It was said after Cummings failed to impress at other clubs that Hibs knew what they were doing when they didnt try to keep him. If Hibs took him back now it means they dont know what they are doing. Watch this space for regrets if he comes here.

[Billy Whizz]

Nope. Isn't that what you were getting at?

Think you need to re read my post then

If he’s not going to play regular 1st team football at Hibs this season, he needs to go somewhere and play every week
My help him and Hibs in the long term

[Heckys Wheel]

If Shaw went to St Johnstone obviously he wouldn’t play against us but if he did, would anybody be worried about him giving our defense a tough time? I certainly wouldn’t be.

[CapitalGreen]

Nope. Isn't that what you were getting at?

It doesn’t read to me like he suggested that at all.

[hibbytam]

If Shaw went to St Johnstone obviously he wouldn’t play against us but if he did, would anybody be worried about him giving our defense a tough time? I certainly wouldn’t be.

He'd probably score a hat-trick.

[Scouse Hibee]

Would be a brilliant move for Shaw going to St Johnstone and I personally am very confident he would score a lot of goals playing week in week out.

Another poster was spot on, there’s not many that have a youth team striker as good as Shaw coming through m. In a sense he’s been a bit unlucky that when he’s hit a bit of form he’s not been in the team much long after, it kind of seemed like he was always going to get dropped no matter what he done.

Hes bigger and faster now so hopefully being the main man somewhere will benfit him hugely.

I personally believe he is not good enough and will flop if he’s expected to be the main man at St Johnstone. I would love to be proved wrong though.

[K-Zazu]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now

[darwenhibby]

Bet St Johnstone supporters don’t like the idea of developing a player for another SPL team

[SouthMoroccoStu]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now

:rolleyes:

Not happy to hear that if I'm honest

[The 90+2]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now

Ludicrous! Did he mention any bags off sweeties in reference to anything anywhere?

[Since90+2]

Bet St Johnstone supporters don’t like the idea of developing a player for another SPL team

I don't think they would care in all honesty if he scored goals for them.

[Hibeesmad]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now

Where’s all the money gone? Laidlaw, Bartley, Milligan, Bigi, Spector and Nelom all gone. Also any potential outgoings for Bogdan, McNulty, Johnson and Agyepong. Ambrose also left in January.

We’ve brought in James, Jackson, Vela, Newell & Allan. Middleton & Maxwell on loan.

Uninspiring

[Heisenberg]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now

Ridiculous situation to be in squad wise if that’s the case.

[supermcginn]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now

Frightening. Softest midfield I've ever seen, absolute madness

[Borderhibbie76]

So where has all the money gone then Hibs?? Not amused at all...

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[wallpaperman]

If we are needing Shaw’s relatively modest wage to be off the books to bring someone else in, that is a bit concerning.

[SHODAN]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now

He better be dusting off his CV then.

All the transfer money we've raked in, record STs four seasons in a row and we're still miles behind Hearts and Aberdeen with our budget with a wafer thin squad. That's a ****ing joke.

[HoboHarry]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now
Interview is where?

[Borderhibbie76]

If the budget is gone we were clearly never seriously in for either McNulty or Omeonga and we were being lied to by the board to get us to renew STs.. serious questions are needing asked of Dempster and the Board as ambition is sadly lacking

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[Barman Stanton]

Concerned if true. Doesn't look like we got a replacement for Ojo after losing him, and expected another forward.

[BlackSheep]

Interview is where?

Hibs TV youtube channel

[Lee Marvin]

We have 4 central midfielders (none of whom are defensive) fighting for 3 positions. (Assuming fraser murray is being used as a winger like Hecky has said).

Sound. Cheers Hibs!!

[Torto7]

Ridiculous situation. Something's beginning to smell here.

[The 90+2]

We have 4 central midfielders (none of whom are defensive) fighting for 3 positions. (Assuming fraser murray is being used as a winger like Hecky has said).

Sound. Cheers Hibs!!

Three right backs too.

[Torto7]

If the budget is gone we were clearly never seriously in for either McNulty or Omeonga and we were being lied to by the board to get us to renew STs.. serious questions are needing asked of Dempster and the Board as ambition is sadly lacking

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Apparently it would've cost us 5 million to bring them in.

[Heisenberg]

How much is Vela costing ffs?! Must be on an absolute fortune plus a massive signing on fee.

[Sean1875]

Keep telling myself that Hecky is just keeping his cards to his chest but really starting to give me the fear that hes serious and we're done signing players this window. Real ****ing fear.

[.Sean.]

Seriously where has all the money gone? We’ve lost more players than we’ve signed this summer. The John McGinn money and record season ticket sales for 3/4 years????

[Barman Stanton]

Concerned if true. Doesn't look like we got a replacement for Ojo after losing him, and expected another forward.

[SteveHFC]

Ridiculous situation. Something's beginning to smell here.

Are we back to the days of tightness?

[Not In The Know]

Concerned if true. Doesn't look like we got a replacement for Ojo after losing him, and expected another forward.


That was Vela.

[CentreLine]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now

Where can we find the interview please?

[GreenArmy1875]

Both Newell and Vela will have been on decent money down south

[The 90+2]

Keep telling myself that Hecky is just keeping his cards to his chest but really starting to give me the fear that hes serious and we're done signing players this window. Real ****ing fear.

He’s not bull****ting in interview answers he just gave. Almost a bit too honest.

[mcfly]

Worrying.

Maybe fans rep can confirm if this info is true and we are no longer looking at any players.

Going into the season ahead with 2 strikers.

Think we know the formation he’s gonna play.

Football isn’t gonna be edge of the seat entertainment
Very disappointing and uninspiring 😩

[The 90+2]

Where can we find the interview please?

Hibs TV YouTube

[SteveHFC]

If the budget is gone we were clearly never seriously in for either McNulty or Omeonga and we were being lied to by the board to get us to renew STs.. serious questions are needing asked of Dempster and the Board as ambition is sadly lacking

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One thing is for sure I won’t be buying anything else except for tickets from the club this season. If they aren’t going to invest more on the playing squad when we lack bodies. Then I’ll keep my money.

[Torto7]

Are we back to the days of tightness?

Even if it's a temporary budget set for this season by LD then to just rigidly stick to it despite the obvious shortcomings in the squad is ridiculous.

[Heisenberg]

Worrying.

Maybe fans rep can confirm if this info is true and we are no longer looking at any players.

Going into the season ahead with 2 strikers.

Think we know the formation he’s gonna play.

Football isn’t gonna be edge of the seat entertainment
Very disappointing and uninspiring 😩

Why would a fans rep actually have that information?

I’m pretty sure Hecky is telling the truth and it’s massively concerning. If he’s pleased with the options he’s got in central midfield then I’m baffled.

[GordonHFC]

Hibs TV YouTube

No need to be rude !!!!

[The 90+2]

No need to be rude !!!!

:) https://youtu.be/sMXk6DNm9KY

[Hermit Crab]

That’s us done in the transfer window according to Hecky. Unless shaw goes out on loan because that will free up money. Interview up now


If thats the case he's just basically got himself the sack in few months time.

[Torto7]

That was Vela.

So Vela gobbled up the wages set aside for Ojo and the transfer fee we agreed with them. According to the Bolton lad on here we've been sold a pup as he only showed form in his first season with them.

[Barman Stanton]

That was Vela.

Look like totally different types of players to me. Ojo a big defensive midfielder. Vela a box to box CM.

[Unseen work]

Iv been hoping he’s been playing us on and keeping his cards close to his chest but the more I hear I think he’s being genuine and there actually isn’t any more money for him to spend.

Which doesn’t make sense considering we were after Ojo, Omeonga, McNulty and Andy King allegedly. We’ve not brought anyone else in since those rumours with the exception of Middleton.

If Shaw goes out on loan and we only have that money to replace him, who the hell are we going to get that’s better? He will hardly be on a big wage.

We are crying out for a centre mid, baffling if we don’t sign one.

He clearly wants more players in but doesn’t seem to have any money whatsoever.

Not impressed at all if this turns out to be true.

[SteveHFC]

I’m sure the money Ron wants to invest into a indoor playing facility could be put to the transfer budget.

[BlackSheep]

Having watched the presser, i think a few folk on here are jumping to conclusions.... Hecky clearly states that if we can find a player we can afford to come in then Oli can go on loan... when asked directly if he is looking at players he says yes.

Its all cloaks and daggers at this point, and i think after the Ojo fiasco the staff have been told to play their cards close to the chest regarding financials.

The time to start worrying about transfers is when the window closes in a few weeks, until then its business as usual.

[The 90+2]

Iv been hoping he’s been playing us on and keeping his cards close to his chest but the more I hear I think he’s being genuine and there actually isn’t any more money for him to spend.

Which doesn’t make sense considering we were after Ojo, Omeonga, McNulty and Andy King allegedly. We’ve not brought anyone else in since those rumours with the exception of Middleton.

If Shaw goes out on loan and we only have that money to replace him, who the hell are we going to get that’s better? He will hardly be on a big wage.

We are crying out for a centre mid, baffling if we don’t sign one.

He clearly wants more players in but doesn’t seem to have any money whatsoever.

Not impressed at all if this turns out to be true.

All I can think of that it’s a message to the board through the supporters who he knows will go ape **** if that’s business actually complete and to get them to contribute more transfer funds for the squad.

Shaw should be allowed to go out on loan BUT we should already or have plans to have someone in already with funds still available.

Let’s all hope St Johnstone pony up a decent loan fee so we can get Chesterfields reserve striker? Aye no bother hibs.

[Heisenberg]

Having watched the presser, i think a few folk on here are jumping to conclusions.... Hecky clearly states that if we can find a player we can afford to come in then Oli can go on loan... when asked directly if he is looking at players he says yes.

Its all cloaks and daggers at this point, and i think after the Ojo fiasco the staff have been told to play their cards close to the chest regarding financials.

The time to start worrying about transfers is when the window closes in a few weeks, until then its business as usual.

He’s looking at players that could replace Shaw in a one in one out situation. He confirms we aren’t singing anyone else that aside.

[CentreLine]

Hibs TV YouTube

Thanks, I looked on Hibs TV but didn't consider YouTube. Got it now

[Unseen work]

I’m sure the money Ron wants to invest into a indoor playing facility could be put to the transfer budget.

In fairness to him he invested the 7 figure sum but said its upto Dempster and co to decide where to put that money.

[The 90+2]

Having watched the presser, i think a few folk on here are jumping to conclusions.... Hecky clearly states that if we can find a player we can afford to come in then Oli can go on loan... when asked directly if he is looking at players he says yes.

Its all cloaks and daggers at this point, and i think after the Ojo fiasco the staff have been told to play their cards close to the chest regarding financials.

The time to start worrying about transfers is when the window closes in a few weeks, until then its business as usual.


Reporter: “you’re not expecting any new players coming in?”

Hecky “no, no, shakes heid”

Reporter “Oli Shaw?”

Hecky “Oli knows and understands the situation, finances dictate and what we can get in for Oli leaving is what we can spend on another striker” “if we can find a striker that is better than Oli for the money we bring in for him he can go”

[The 90+2]

Thanks, I looked on Hibs TV but didn't consider YouTube. Got it now

Welcome 👍

[BlackSheep]

No need to be rude !!!!

Lolz

[Unseen work]

All I can think of that it’s a message to the board through the supporters who he knows will go ape **** if that’s business actually complete and to get them to contribute more transfer funds for the squad.

Shaw should be allowed to go out on loan BUT we should already or have plans to have someone in already with funds still available.

Let’s all hope St Johnstone pony up a decent loan fee so we can get Chesterfields reserve striker? Aye no bother hibs.

I really hope so, we are so light in numbers it’s scary.

One injury to Vela, Allan or Kamberi and we’re struggling massively, we already are struggling without that ffs!!!!

[SouthMoroccoStu]

From my Dad

“Just met *Scout for hibs and family friend*
Asked about Oli and Jason. Said Oli was nearly away permanently last week but didn't want to go. Going to St J for play time. Nothing on Jason. Said he (Hecky) doesn't want him back.

[Unseen work]

https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1162023626692091906?s=21

Trying hard to sell him I see

[mcfly]

From my Dad

“Just met *Scout for hibs and family friend*
Asked about Oli and Jason. Said Oli was nearly away permanently last week but didn't want to go. Going to St J for play time. Nothing on Jason. Said he (Hecky) doesn't want him back.

The thing is we know as fans what Cummings can do - he scores goals.

We don’t know what Doidge /Newell/vela do as they are heckingbottoms players.

if there is no money left and we stick with what we have then it’s s long hard season and I’d think the manager will come under big pressure from the stands as season ticket holders will not be happy

[Unseen work]

The guy that said Andy King was meant to be coming here seems spot on, so it begs the question what happened to the money we were going to use on him? He would surely cost quite a bit?

For those that never seen it. Yesterday morning a new member on the Rangers forum said Andy King was signing on loan for them and will be announced shortly, he was meant to be coming here until rangers expressed their interest. Allegedly he’s mates with King and this was posted before any media had heard about it.

[WhileTheChief..]

What you all greetin' about?? If we sell Shaw we will be absolutely minted.

He's one of the best young strikers in Europe.

[CentreLine]

Wait a minute.................Just hold on a minute there Muskie!!!!

Just listened to the interview. What PH says is that we cannot let Oli go until we have a replacement. Asked if we are actively looking for a replacement he said "yes". I get that he said "what we get for Oli"dictates what we can spend on a replacement but it was clear from the interview that it is Hibs that are driving this and Hibs are looking to bring in another striker. If and when that happens Oli will be allowed to leave

[J-C]

Vela, Newell and Jackson are all from the Championship, they'll have been on good wages and I'd guess we've gave them good wages to come here, are they worth these extra wages?

Disappointed they wanted to punt Shaw permanently and have spent far too much money IMHO on a league 2 striker who is as yet totally untried at this level.

If we are done, then this season is looking a bit grim.

[Deek01]

If he’s happy to go with what we’ve got it’s going to be a very long and hard season, especially if he perseveres with his 4-5-1 formation every week.

[Unseen work]

So by the looks of it we’re going to be relying on guys like Murray, Slivka and Whittikar, who previously weren’t first picks.

Allowing Milligan to go looks a mistake.

We don’t have any defensive minded midfielders although Vela looks very handy.

If anything happens to Scott Allan we are f****d

Our big thing last season was the lack of pace and balance. I’m not convinced we’ve resolved that.

[The 90+2]

So by the looks of it we’re going to be relying on guys like Murray, Slivka and Whittikar, who previously weren’t first picks.

Allowing Milligan to go looks a mistake.

We don’t have any defensive minded midfielders although Vela looks very handy.

If anything happens to Scott Allan we are f****d

Our big thing last season was the lack of pace and balance. I’m not convinced we’ve resolved that.

Could it be we couldn’t afford to keep Milligan?

[S4uzee]

So by the looks of it we’re going to be relying on guys like Murray, Slivka and Whittikar, who previously weren’t first picks.

Allowing Milligan to go looks a mistake.

We don’t have any defensive minded midfielders although Vela looks very handy.

If anything happens to Scott Allan we are f****d

Our big thing last season was the lack of pace and balance. I’m not convinced we’ve resolved that.
Agreed. We haven’t improved on last season and are going backwards

[jeffers]

Vela, Newell and Jackson are all from the Championship, they'll have been on good wages and I'd guess we've gave them good wages to come here, are they worth these extra wages?

Disappointed they wanted to punt Shaw permanently and have spent far too much money IMHO on a league 2 striker who is as yet totally untried at this level.

If we are done, then this season is looking a bit grim.

Don’t disagree with any of that, only thing I’d question is what he said re Shaw. I understood him to say he was going on loan not being sold. I doubt Shaw is on big wages so have to hope if he does go in loan the parent club of his replacement are happy with us only paying part of their wages.

[calumhibee1]

Could it be we couldn’t afford to keep Milligan?

If we’ve released him and have no money left then I’d suggest that’s probably the case.

There’s a massive gap in the money that the fans have put in along with everything else and the players we’ve signed imo.

Throw in the fact we wanted MM and Omeonga, didn’t get them and have only signed Middleton on loan since, where’s all the money went that was ear marked for them? Did we expect them to come for free?

[SMAXXA]

Seems to be a strange situation as I’m no sure shaw will be on a massive wage so if he does go what does that leave to actually add some decent quality, in guessing it would be a loan with shaws wages being a token gesture to the parent club. I’d say ok that basis Cummings is defo not coming back to Hibs.

[Cod Boy]

Jason will end up at a club in league one on loan in England.

[Borderhibbie76]

If thats the case he's just basically got himself the sack in few months time.Hardly his fault if hes no more money to spend...its the Board who need to answer the fans questions on this??

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[DTS]

I still think it’s too early to say the new signings are duds, but I did think we’d have money there to spend if we need to. It doesn’t seem like we want shaw to leave on loan and that he is driving it, but we’ll only let him leave if we can bring someone in on a similar wage plus whatever the loan fee would be. Hopefully the new players come good, everyone’s going on about hearts and their signings they’ve signed two CM’s this week yes but what if they get injured the same way everyone’s assuming our players will?

Squad looks okay and if the new players settle in and we win our next 2 games along with positives results after it everyone will have calmed down as that would see us sitting 3rd/4th. Obviously that may not happen and it could be a poor season but id argue it’s more likely we’ll have a “good” season finishing top 4 than not. We’ll be miles off the top 2 and likely a few off Aberdeen as they know how to win games where they play poorly.

Players like Marciano Kamberi Allan Horgan Gray Stevenson etc are all in the top 5 in the league in their positions outwith the old firm and would arguably be the best especially Marciano Allan and Kamberi. Cream rises to the top and when the season settles we’ll look good I hope.

Marciano
Gray Jackson porteous Stevenson
Mallan vela allan
Middleton. Kamberi. Horgan

That as an 11 should be good enough to beat anyone outside Glasgow in the league even challenging the OF on their day at ER.

You still then have a bench of maxwell Hanlon James slivka Murray shaw doidge.

No mention of Boyle Whittaker McGregor mackie in there either.

Could we be stronger? Always
Will we improve as the season goes on? Yes
Was ibrox a shambles? Yes
Is the season over though? Absolutely not we’re 2 games into the league season and are a game against a championship team from the LC quarter final.

[Hibs90]

Hopefully the new players come good, everyone’s going on about hearts and their signings they’ve signed two CM’s this week yes but what if they get injured the same way everyone’s assuming our players will?


Hearts have 10 more first team players than we do, so if they lose a couple due to injury then they will have another couple to step in, we have nothing. The squad is stupidly weak.

[DTS]

Hearts have 10 more first team players than we do, so if they lose a couple due to injury then they will have another couple to step in, we have nothing. The squad is stupidly weak.

The only place are squad is “stupidly weak” is centre midfield and they started the season with Sean Clare and 18 year old at central midfield? But that’s fine if we all go on about the size of hearts squad let’s just throw in Gullan Stirling into our squad and it’s got more bodies? Honestly people are too quick to stick the boot into hibs and praise other teams

[Hibs90]

The only place are squad is “stupidly weak” is centre midfield and they started the season with Sean Clare and 18 year old at central midfield? But that’s fine if we all go on about the size of hearts squad let’s just throw in Gullan Stirling into our squad and it’s got more bodies? Honestly people are too quick to stick the boot into hibs and praise other teams

Squad is weak at left back at present with Stevenson and James injured. Mackie hasnt shown enough so far.

Centre midfield is weak. Lacking defensive midfielders and box to box players.

Attacking options are weak, we have 2 fit wingers, 3 strikers with one potentially leaving. That is stupidly weak.

[DTS]

Squad is weak at left back at present with Stevenson and James injured. Mackie hasnt shown enough so far.

Centre midfield is weak. Lacking defensive midfielders and box to box players.

Attacking options are weak, we have 2 fit wingers, 3 strikers with one potentially leaving. That is stupidly weak.

We have 3 players competent of playing left back how many do you want?? Stevenson is available this weekend mackie is 20/21 and Whittaker is fine that side. We have 3 right backs as well. I would tend to agree with centre mid I think we’re one player short. We have 2 fit pacey wingers I agree but he seems to want to play newell wide as well as fraser Murray so there’s 4 options for 2 wide midfield berths. We have 3 strikers when he only plays with one and one of them is only potentially leaving if WE find a better player than shaw and we will then sanction a loan move. This isn’t fifa you cant just stock pile, if we sign another left back for example what on earth are we going to do with 3/4 full backs when they’re all available which is literally now as the manager has stated Stevenson’s fit to be in consideration

[Lee Marvin]

We have 3 players competent of playing left back how many do you want?? Stevenson is available this weekend mackie is 20/21 and Whittaker is fine that side. We have 3 right backs as well. I would tend to agree with centre mid I think we’re one player short. We have 2 fit pacey wingers I agree but he seems to want to play newell wide as well as fraser Murray so there’s 4 options for 2 wide midfield berths. We have 3 strikers when he only plays with one and one of them is only potentially leaving if WE find a better player than shaw and we will then sanction a loan move. This isn’t fifa you cant just stock pile, if we sign another left back for example what on earth are we going to do with 3/4 full backs when they’re all available which is literally now as the manager has stated Stevenson’s fit to be in consideration

Agree with much of what you are saying but the is no doubt we are stupidly short in central midfield. Way short of numbers and a proper variety of different attributes.

We will be playing young boys or defenders in.there for much of the season if we get any injuries at all. Even if we don't we are powder puff.

Defence is fine. Strikers are fine if we replace shaw sufficiently. We are a horgan injury away from being short on the wings.

This is no way to be going into new season imo

[Wee Effen Bee]

Why is Tam McManus tweeting bits about a new striker ‘Cumming’ to Hibs?

[Heisenberg]

Why is Tam McManus tweeting bits about a new striker ‘Cumming’ to Hibs?

Because he likes the attention?

[Torto7]

Agree with much of what you are saying but the is no doubt we are stupidly short in central midfield. Way short of numbers and a proper variety of different attributes.

We will be playing young boys or defenders in.there for much of the season if we get any injuries at all. Even if we don't we are powder puff.

Defence is fine. Strikers are fine if we replace shaw sufficiently. We are a horgan injury away from being short on the wings.

This is no way to be going into new season imo

That's the key for me. There's a lack of energy and tenacity in that midfield.

[jgl07]

Rotation is fine if you’re getting results. When you lose or massively under perform as Hibs did on Sunday then the manager has made the wrong decisions and deserves to be criticised.

Not many successful teams routinely rotate their centre halves either. Strange move by Hecky which has just brought unnecessary pressure and scrutiny entirely of his own making
Manchester City rotated central defenders continually last season.

[Real Emerald]

After watching Hibs through thick and thin and had a season ticket for many years it’s so disappointing to be back to the Fenton/Butcher days. We’ve thrown away the momentum and feel good factor and for me I think it may be my last year buying a ST. The fans have turned up in droves and have rallied around the club yet again to get us through the bad times but yet again the club is letting the fans down. The football squad and recruitment despite the massive increase in attendances is just bewildering. How can anyone at the club be happy with the squad we have??

[The 90+2]

Scott Bain out for two months.

[Hermit Crab]

Scott Bain out for two months.


Que a low ball bid from Celtic for Rocky.

[The 90+2]

Que a low ball bid from Celtic for Rocky.

Heckys just came out and said we’re skint too 🙈

[SteveHFC]

Que a low ball bid from Celtic for Rocky.

Que our board accepting a low offer.

[Hermit Crab]

Que our board accepting a low offer.


Rocky for Griffiths. :aok:

[SteveHFC]

Rocky for Griffiths. :aok:

:hyper

[Brightside]

Heckys just came out and said we’re skint too 🙈

No he hasn't.

[Borderhibbie76]

The only place are squad is “stupidly weak” is centre midfield and they started the season with Sean Clare and 18 year old at central midfield? But that’s fine if we all go on about the size of hearts squad let’s just throw in Gullan Stirling into our squad and it’s got more bodies? Honestly people are too quick to stick the boot into hibs and praise other teamsHardly comparable Hertz look like singing 3 CMs this week alone whereas we have 4 to get us thru the whole season??

Not acceptable considering the number of ST holders we have and the money the club received for SJM..serious ambition issues from our board by the looks of it to me. .either that or weve paid way over the odds for the likes of Vela, Doidge and Newall if the budget is completely done??

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[The 90+2]

No he hasn't.

Yes he did. Unless there’s something cryptic in the interview and there’s loads of budget elsewhere for other positions apart from strikers that he doesn’t want to spend?

He has to spend what we get in or offered for Shaw. His words. That indicted skint.

[Unseen work]

Our whole defence is absolutley fine

RB - James, Gray and Whittikar
CB - Porteous, Jackson, McGregor, Hanlon
LB - Stevenson, Mackie - Whittikar and James also able to play there

its the centre of midfield we need. Vela is the only one with any desire to defend.

Some teams can do what we’re trying to do with one energetic holding midfielder, but with that to work the other 4 in midfield need to be buzzing about making it very difficult for the opposition. Rangers were playing nice through passes at will and exploiting huge gaps.

We need a defensive minded midfielder, who enjoys that role. They need to have quality and be a bit of a leader as I feel we miss one in there.

[chrisski33]

Yes he did. Unless there’s something cryptic in the interview and there’s loads of budget elsewhere for other positions apart from strikers that he doesn’t want to spend?

He has to spend what we get in or offered for Shaw. His words. That indicted skint.

No it doesnt! In fact you can take as you want to take it.

[Iain G]

Yes he did. Unless there’s something cryptic in the interview and there’s loads of budget elsewhere for other positions apart from strikers that he doesn’t want to spend?

He has to spend what we get in or offered for Shaw. His words. That indicted skint.

Skint would mean we had money? On the other hand we may have spent our budget in wages and transfer fees already which is a completely different think and doesnt allude to us being skint! Why use such an emotive term when we are clearly in good financial health as a club?

[Iain G]

No it doesnt! In fact you can take as you want to take it.

And some people take it as negatively as possible to spin it in a way that they can keep having a go at the club and Hecky.

[The 90+2]

No it doesnt! In fact you can take as you want to take it.

Okay. We will bring a striker in if we get enough money from letting shaw go out on loan, if we don’t he’s not going anywhere because we can’t afford to replace him - but we aren’t skint.

[we are hibs]

Lennon might go in for Bodgan on a short term deal