Summer 2019 transfer thread

[Greenworld]

I would love it if he came back, if anything because he is a maverick and a real character. It is concerning he has pretty much done nothing since leaving us, but then again so did Scott Allan. Sometimes players must fit and I would have JC over Oli Shaw any day of the week.The latter part of your comment is my concern we are talking of the JC of seasons ago he has done nothing since . Scott allan is a different character altogether .


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[Hibee Mac]

I think some are getting a bit too sentimental, I don't think it would be the right move to bring him back right now and I reckon Hecky will see it that way too.

Besides Hecky doesn't seem to want to play 2 up top and everyone on this forum should know that Jason up top on his own does not work.

[BSEJVT]

The latter part of your comment is my concern we are talking of the JC of seasons ago he has done nothing since . Scott allan is a different character altogether .


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I would argue that their circumstances are near identical but that Cummings has played more in that period?

I would like Cummings back but really don't get why folk are in such a hurry to write off Shaw

I have every confidence he will come good

[Speedway]

I think that if Jason Cummings’ services were secured by Hibernian Football Club and he was selected to ply his trade at association football on the club’s behalf, he would kick the ball past the opposing custodian as often as the opportunity presented itself for the taking.

[Borderhibbie76]

I would argue that their circumstances are near identical but that Cummings has played more in that period?

I would like Cummings back but really don't get why folk are in such a hurry to write off Shaw

I have every confidence he will come goodIf Shaw was a Hecky summer signing like Newall or Doidge hed already be getting it in the neck on here...he gets easier treatment from some because he was a development player. Has done nowhere near enough in last year to justify some peoples faith in him imo and sorry if that sounds harsh. I dont think Hecky rates him tbh and think he will be away on loan somewhere by end of Aug

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[J-C]

As has been pointed out already, it looks like we're playing 1 up, so where are all these strikers playing or are we going 3-3-4.

[rodhibs55]

I think JC would be a good signing for us definitely a goal scorer capable of double figures every season.

I agree with one of the above posters in that I think he is tactically naive but that should be coachable. (it is Jason though).

Remember when he was playing along side Grant Holt, the big man was always talking to him and trying to get him to run into the right areas. If he can get that bit right, he will be a success. Worth taking a punt on.

[Since452]

If Shaw was a Hecky summer signing like Newall or Doidge hed already be getting it in the neck on here...he gets easier treatment from some because he was a development player. Has done nowhere near enough in last year to justify some peoples faith in him imo and sorry if that sounds harsh. I dont think Hecky rates him tbh and think he will be away on loan somewhere by end of Aug

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:agree: the same as Handling, Harris and Stanton who also weren't good enough

[Brightside]

He’s average and i would be staggered if we signed him again and made him our highest paid player.

[DetroitHibs]

If Shaw was a Hecky summer signing like Newall or Doidge hed already be getting it in the neck on here...he gets easier treatment from some because he was a development player. Has done nowhere near enough in last year to justify some peoples faith in him imo and sorry if that sounds harsh. I dont think Hecky rates him tbh and think he will be away on loan somewhere by end of Aug

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If you look at the stats from last year. Shaw wasn’t that far behind Flo and with a lot less minutes on the field.

[500miles]

:agree: the same as Handling, Harris and Stanton who also weren't good enough

Shaw's goals to minutes ratio is better than all of them.

[MacGruber]

If we can get him back we absolutely should 100%

#announcecumdog

[J-C]

Shaw's goals to minutes ratio is better than all of them.

Sssshhhhh! Stop bringing logic into this.

[brog]

If Shaw was a Hecky summer signing like Newall or Doidge hed already be getting it in the neck on here...he gets easier treatment from some because he was a development player. Has done nowhere near enough in last year to justify some peoples faith in him imo and sorry if that sounds harsh. I dont think Hecky rates him tbh and think he will be away on loan somewhere by end of Aug

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Another Hibs Net myth that ex development players get an easier time. Ask Lewis & Paul H about that.

[calumhibee1]

Sssshhhhh! Stop bringing logic into this.

There’s nothing logical about pointing out that Shaw, a striker, has a better goals to minutes ratio than a winger and 2 centre midfielders?

[CorrieHibs]

Cummings is a Scottish championship striker. Scored a lot of goals for us there, but has really struggled since.

Folk on here don’t rate, Shaw, but he he has still scored more Premiership goals that JC. Season 17/18, Shaw got 4 in 16 and Cummings got 2 in 15. Shaw got 6 last season!

If we are looking to finish 3rd/4th this season. We’ll need someone better than JC. Sorry, but I don’t rate him as high as some folk on here do.

[MacGruber]

We got around £750K for Cummings we are led to believe from media. We were raging as we expected 2 million minimum - we had only just stopped celebrating the club persuading him to sign on a 4 year contract. When he left we were gutted, not just losing our gallus, cocky wee goalscorer but a massive character in the dressingroom.
We wouldn't be able to go into derby matches with sly grins chuckling away to oursevles because we knew what was coming. A wee rascal, complete radge - muffin throwing mankini wearing wrestler. Loved his time at Hibs. Guaranteed goals. Bring him home.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don't rate Shaw or Cummings. Not that fussed about Kamberi either now.

We're gonna struggle to score goals this season.

[jacomo]

Another Hibs Net myth that ex development players get an easier time. Ask Lewis & Paul H about that.


:agree:

If Shaw gets a bit of leeway then damn right.

Fans should warm to a development player coming through and give them plenty of encouragement and support. Unfortunately us Hibees are often impatient with our own.

[Brightside]

I don't rate Shaw or Cummings. Not that fussed about Kamberi either now.

We're gonna struggle to score goals this season.

We are if you don’t want any of the strikers. 😂

[LeithMike]

I would like Cummings back but really don't get why folk are in such a hurry to write off Shaw

I have every confidence he will come good

Agree. You get the feeling that Shaw is less confident than Cummings and is going to be more of a slow developer. I dont think Shaw is ready to lead the line now but I do think he's going to improve significantly. I also think he did really well when first breaking through but regressed a bit last season.

I still think he'd benefit from a loan move to a good team in a lower division where he will play every week and build his confidence from scoring.

As for Cummings, I think McNulty has more to his game but Cummings seems to be more an instinctive finisher. That type of player is getting phased out the game though with the advent of the sole striker who is expected to hold the play up. Worth a 1 year contract though if we have a bit of extra cash and would allow us to play hardball with Reading for McNulty and take it to the wire.

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[BILLYHIBS]

Gordon Strachan appointed Technical Director by Dundee

[BSEJVT]

If Shaw was a Hecky summer signing like Newall or Doidge hed already be getting it in the neck on here...he gets easier treatment from some because he was a development player. Has done nowhere near enough in last year to justify some peoples faith in him imo and sorry if that sounds harsh. I dont think Hecky rates him tbh and think he will be away on loan somewhere by end of Aug

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Whilst we can debate the merits of Shaw’s abilities, I can’t agree that he gets an easier ride than outsiders brought in

Certain sections of the Hibs support have taken great delight in overly criticising youth players breaking through over the last two 2 decades

Hanlon & Stevenson modern day heroes being 2 prime examples

[MWHIBBIES]

If Shaw was a Hecky summer signing like Newall or Doidge hed already be getting it in the neck on here...he gets easier treatment from some because he was a development player. Has done nowhere near enough in last year to justify some peoples faith in him imo and sorry if that sounds harsh. I dont think Hecky rates him tbh and think he will be away on loan somewhere by end of Aug

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Have you considered its actually young players who get an easier time? And experienced pros that have more expected of them??

Nothing wrong with that at all

[Smartie]

Gordon Strachan appointed Technical Director by Dundee

He's going to be very disappointed with the genetics in Dundee.

[JimboHibs]

Cummings is a Scottish championship striker. Scored a lot of goals for us there, but has really struggled since.

Folk on here don’t rate, Shaw, but he he has still scored more Premiership goals that JC. Season 17/18, Shaw got 4 in 16 and Cummings got 2 in 15. Shaw got 6 last season!

If we are looking to finish 3rd/4th this season. We’ll need someone better than JC. Sorry, but I don’t rate him as high as some folk on here do.

And there we have it Cummings is a Championship striker cause you said so 🙄

[Barman Stanton]

I would take Cummings back. His goal scoring record for us was excellent and he was a big game player. He is of course a bit of a fanny. But who cares, by all accounts he was a good lad to have around for morale as well. And at the end of the day, a Hibs legend. If he hadn't hit those goals against Hearts....

[Last Minute]

we're in :agree::wink:

[calumhibee1]

we're in :agree::wink:

For JC?

[calumhibee1]

I would take Cummings back. His goal scoring record for us was excellent and he was a big game player. He is of course a bit of a fanny. But who cares, by all accounts he was a good lad to have around for morale as well. And at the end of the day, a Hibs legend. If he hadn't hit those goals against Hearts....

Exactly. He scored an absolute barrel load of big goals for us. On top of that he scored a good amount in general. The idea that he isn’t good enough just doesn’t add up to me. Thank god we weren’t so quick to write off Scott Allan who has failed at every single club other than Hibs.

[jeffers]

I'd prefer McNulty, think his all round game is better but if we can't sort out a deal for him I'd be happy to see Cummings back. Of course we'd have to be playing two up front if we do sign him otherwise I don't see any point.

[Franck Stanton]

we're in :agree::wink:

Care to expand & share

[Heisenberg]

we're in :agree::wink:

Was it not you that broke the news about him going down south in the first place? Hopefully a reliable source this time as well.

Would be delighted with JC coming back. Not sure how he’d cope with not being a first choice right enough.

[Barman Stanton]

I'd prefer McNulty, think his all round game is better but if we can't sort out a deal for him I'd be happy to see Cummings back. Of course we'd have to be playing two up front if we do sign him otherwise I don't see any point.

This I agree with, Cummings doesn't suit playing on his own. But with 2 up front he has that McCoist like ability to be in the right place at the right time.

[penihibs]

If we can get him back we absolutely should 100%

#announcecumdog

Get him back enjoyed him first time round always scored important goals.

[CorrieHibs]

And there we have it Cummings is a Championship striker cause you said so 🙄

All about opinions. I have mine. You have yours. That’s how it works

[Last Minute]

I've only been told we are interested and his availability is being looked into. I myself would luv to see Jason back. :agree:

[flash]

No brainer for me. Great around the dressing room and loves a goal in the big games.

[calumhibee1]

No brainer for me. Great around the dressing room and loves a goal in the big games.

The big games being the ones we struggled to pick up points in last year. Get him in.

[J-C]

I'd prefer McNulty, think his all round game is better but if we can't sort out a deal for him I'd be happy to see Cummings back. Of course we'd have to be playing two up front if we do sign him otherwise I don't see any point.

Is this the new scatter gun approach,sign loads of players and hope we stumble across a system that works. I thought we've been playing 1 up top, where's all the strikers going to fit in?

[Heisenberg]

Is this the new scatter gun approach,sign loads of players and hope we stumble across a system that works. I thought we've been playing 1 up top, where's all the strikers going to fit in?

In games where we want to play two up front? We aren’t going to religiously stick to a formation all season. We didn’t have options last season. I’d much rather we did this season.

[J-C]

In games where we want to play two up front? We aren’t going to religiously stick to a formation all season. We didn’t have options last season. I’d much rather we did this season.

We need another midfielder and wide man 1st

[My_Wife_Camille]

I've only been told we are interested and his availability is being looked into. I myself would luv to see Jason back. :agree:
Please be true

[Cabbage-Patch]

See Notts Forrest have told that Gboly Arribi he is free to leave as well. Remember him being decent for Motherwell last season.

Reckon he could do a job for us out wide

[jeffers]

Is this the new scatter gun approach,sign loads of players and hope we stumble across a system that works. I thought we've been playing 1 up top, where's all the strikers going to fit in?

Not sure I follow, it's pretty much a given we are trying to get McNulty. My post said if we can't I'd like Cummings back + I've not heard PH say he will only play one up front every game.

[Heisenberg]

See Notts Forrest have told that Gboly Arribi he is free to leave as well. Remember him being decent for Motherwell last season.

Reckon he could do a job for us out wide

Definitely. Very quick although his end product isn’t the best, although that’s the case with the majority of wingers at our level.

[MacGruber]

When Cummings was on the move from us there was a poster DelBoy or something similar that had a bit of a jump on things....

[we are hibs]

Don't know if I want Cummings back. He lost me a wee bit when he tried that handball at tannadice especially a year after the penalty attempt and I thought it was the right time for both to move on at the end of that season. How did he do at Luton?

[Weir07]

I'd prefer McNulty, think his all round game is better but if we can't sort out a deal for him I'd be happy to see Cummings back. Of course we'd have to be playing two up front if we do sign him otherwise I don't see any point.

Yep, sums things up perfectly for me.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thing is, he's an unprofessional, daft doughnut at times who I'd want to get his head sorted and focus if he was coming back. But 100% when we were losing at home to Hearts last year he was the one I wanted to be in green and white, he would've scored that night.

If he comes back it has to be on a 3+ year deal with him here to stay and play.

[SHODAN]

Jason Cummings hasn't lost a game against Hearts since 2014.

[J-C]

Not sure I follow, it's pretty much a given we are trying to get McNulty. My post said if we can't I'd like Cummings back + I've not heard PH say he will only play one up front every game.

If not McNulty, then JC, still makes 4 strikers, we've played 1 up in all friendlies and at the end of last season. We need 3 max which gives us the option of 2 up top now and then.

[BILLYHIBS]

we're in :agree::wink:

Can he play tomorrow?

[007]

Was it not you that broke the news about him going down south in the first place? Hopefully a reliable source this time as well.

Would be delighted with JC coming back. Not sure how he’d cope with not being a first choice right enough.

He'd probably be higher up the pecking (or Hecking) order than if he went to Hearts.

[neil7908]

In games where we want to play two up front? We aren’t going to religiously stick to a formation all season. We didn’t have options last season. I’d much rather we did this season.

If we want 2 up top then we have Shaw, Kamberi and our £300k odd new striker to chose from.

If we can get a decent deal for Jase then fine but fans need to understand he'll want a good wage. The question is should we make him one of our highest paid players if that means him, Kamberi and Doidge all fighting for one spot in the majority of games? Or should we allow Shaw more game time and use the extra in wages for another body in midfield or out wide?

[hibeerealist]

Can he play tomorrow?


JC was arguably the one who turned our SC journey at Tinycastle around, only a few strikers or footballers for that matter, would have even attempted the header he stuck in the net. Cannot believe the amount of guys I spoke to on that who believed it was not what he meant "he only tried to get a flick on into the box". The wee man meant that and as soon as he got his head to it I was up, he meant to send it netbound!!

Could have choked him at Hampden when he tried the chip on the pen, but have to admit he is special.

If we can get him bring him home.

GGTTH

[brog]

If not McNulty, then JC, still makes 4 strikers, we've played 1 up in all friendlies and at the end of last season. We need 3 max which gives us the option of 2 up top now and then.

We'll have injuries & suspensions some time during the season. It's only 2 years ago we had to bring in Brian McLean as an emergency defender. Shaw, probably & JC definitely, can't play up front on their own & you never know, PH may decide 2 up front works better. I think PH will want 4 strikers regardless.

[Barman Stanton]

JC was arguably the one who turned our SC journey at Tinycastle around, only a few strikers or footballers for that matter, would have even attempted the header he stuck in the net. Cannot believe the amount of guys I spoke to on that who believed it was not what he meant "he only tried to get a flick on into the box". The wee man meant that and as soon as he got his head to it I was up, he meant to send it netbound!!

Could have choked him at Hampden when he tried the chip on the pen, but have to admit he is special.

If we can get him bring him home.

GGTTH

Still had the balls to step up and take the winning penalty in the shootout. I think that pretty much summed him up. Get him home.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

JC was arguably the one who turned our SC journey at Tinycastle around, only a few strikers or footballers for that matter, would have even attempted the header he stuck in the net. Cannot believe the amount of guys I spoke to on that who believed it was not what he meant "he only tried to get a flick on into the box". The wee man meant that and as soon as he got his head to it I was up, he meant to send it netbound!!

Could have choked him at Hampden when he tried the chip on the pen, but have to admit he is special.

If we can get him bring him home.

GGTTH

Had that argument with a Jambo mate of mine - oh he never meant that, couldn’t do it again

He did the exact same thing for Scotland in an under 21s game

He knew exactly what he was doing

Come on home Jason

[CapitalGreen]

If not McNulty, then JC, still makes 4 strikers, we've played 1 up in all friendlies and at the end of last season. We need 3 max which gives us the option of 2 up top now and then.

I think i’ll let the management and recruitment teams decide how many players we require in each position.

[Vault Boy]

I've only been told we are interested and his availability is being looked into. I myself would luv to see Jason back. :agree:

Yep, make it happen Hibs. Hammer of the Hearts, scores on the big occasions, popular character with a few of our players. No brainer.

[The 90+2]

I think i’ll let the management and recruitment teams decide how many players we require in each position.

George Craig will without doubt want Cummings back.

[Just Jimmy]

Jason Cummings would score more goals for Hibs than any of the strikers on our books.

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[badabing67]

George Craig will without doubt want Cummings back.

Why do you think that

[Betty Boop]

Cummings loves the Rangers.

[Smartie]

Jason Cummings would score more goals for Hibs than any of the strikers on our books.

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With Cummings in the team though, how many would the midfielders, wingers etc get?

If he's the sole focus, he gets the goals, and I think the team would score more with someone like Doidge up there, even if the striker himself got quite a few less.

I could never get my head around Cummings as a player. He was clearly very good, had something, and I really liked him but there was often something lacking about our play when he was in the team.

[Unseen work]

Cummings loves the Rangers.

This is the biggest thing for me, I loved him when he was here but massively went off him with his Rangers love in.

That being said, a couple of goals for us and I’d soon forget about that.

[hibeerealist]

Still had the balls to step up and take the winning penalty in the shootout. I think that pretty much summed him up. Get him home.

:agree:

GGTTH

[Northernhibee]

This is the biggest thing for me, I loved him when he was here but massively went off him with his Rangers love in.

That being said, a couple of goals for us and I’d soon forget about that.

Do you welcome Scott Allan back? He handed in a transfer request to move directly to them from us.

[Barman Stanton]

This is the biggest thing for me, I loved him when he was here but massively went off him with his Rangers love in.

That being said, a couple of goals for us and I’d soon forget about that.

Ach, he got the chance to play for a big club on loan. I wouldn't hold it against him. Not like he was there for long. When he retires its likely the highlight of his whole career will be a game against Rangers.

[hibeerealist]

Had that argument with a Jambo mate of mine - oh he never meant that, couldn’t do it again

He did the exact same thing for Scotland in an under 21s game

He knew exactly what he was doing

Come on home Jason


:aok:

[The Leith Dutch]

Is this the new scatter gun approach,sign loads of players and hope we stumble across a system that works. I thought we've been playing 1 up top, where's all the strikers going to fit in?

This is exactly my worry. While formations aren't rigid and set for the entire season we should still be signing to a plan.
We signed good players last season but didn't sign a balanced team and I think it showed.

At the moment the indication is one up front with two up front on occasion.
Currently that means either we're looking for a guy who is on the bench most games or we're benching a high earner (in Flo) or a striker we just spent money on (in Doidge).
Add to that the fact Boyle is an option up front in a pinch and we have decent (not exceptional but decent) coverage in the striker area.

Not saying I wouldn't take another striker and doesn't mean Flo isn't moving on or Shaw isn't going out on loan but I'm still strongly of the opinion we currently don't have a
functioning midfield which is a far bigger concern. Currently if Vela gets injured we're in a bit of a mess.
We have very little depth in central midfield and very little flexibility in how we play in midfield due to a lot of our players having quite specific roles.

I see a lot of formations on here with effectively 5 attackers which is how I set up my fantasy football side.
That kind of team gets rolled over in midfield and sheds points regularly in return for once every 5 or 6 games giving someone a hammering.
That isn't how we get 3rd place. That's going to need a platform in midfield.

[jeffers]

If not McNulty, then JC, still makes 4 strikers, we've played 1 up in all friendlies and at the end of last season. We need 3 max which gives us the option of 2 up top now and then.

I’m not sure why you are still arguing with me. PH himself said we were still trying to get a deal done for McNulty even after we had brought in Doidge. So he clearly thinks we need another striker. Maybe he doesn’t think Shaw is the answer ?

[SHODAN]

Cummings loves the Rangers.

He also loves scoring against the Rangers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVVOETzLMwo

[Lago]

Substitute Cummings for McGeoch, same arguments same discussion. 😒

[S4uzee]

George Craig will without doubt want Cummings back.

Didn’t want him back in January ....

[Lewiehas2]

This is exactly my worry. While formations aren't rigid and set for the entire season we should still be signing to a plan.
We signed good players last season but didn't sign a balanced team and I think it showed.

At the moment the indication is one up front with two up front on occasion.
Currently that means either we're looking for a guy who is on the bench most games or we're benching a high earner (in Flo) or a striker we just spent money on (in Doidge).
Add to that the fact Boyle is an option up front in a pinch and we have decent (not exceptional but decent) coverage in the striker area.

Not saying I wouldn't take another striker and doesn't mean Flo isn't moving on or Shaw isn't going out on loan but I'm still strongly of the opinion we currently don't have a
functioning midfield which is a far bigger concern. Currently if Vela gets injured we're in a bit of a mess.
We have very little depth in central midfield and very little flexibility in how we play in midfield due to a lot of our players having quite specific roles.

I see a lot of formations on here with effectively 5 attackers which is how I set up my fantasy football side.
That kind of team gets rolled over in midfield and sheds points regularly in return for once every 5 or 6 games giving someone a hammering.
That isn't how we get 3rd place. That's going to need a platform in midfield.

Pretty sure the best argument for this summer window is we finally seem to have a plan? These are just rumours, Hecky knew what he wanted and has got them in, unlike last few year when we didn’t have a plan

[murray26]

Cummings loves the Rangers.

There’s something you have in common with him.

[GloryGlory]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/does-stephane-omeonga-have-a-future-at-genoa-there-could-be-good-news-for-hibs-fans-1-4967863

Hmmmm - could it be?

[SHODAN]

Substitute Cummings for McGeoch, same arguments same discussion. ��

McGeouch played for Celtic instead of Rangers though which apparently increases his perceived skill as a player.

[murray26]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/does-stephane-omeonga-have-a-future-at-genoa-there-could-be-good-news-for-hibs-fans-1-4967863

Hmmmm - could it be?

I would love to see him back 🤞

[SHODAN]

I would love to see him back 🤞

We'll have been working on this for a while now, hopefully we can finalise it.

[04Sauzee]

McGeouch played for Celtic instead of Rangers though which apparently increases his perceived skill as a player.

I thought he had been attached to both Glasgow teams?

[JimBHibees]

If not McNulty, then JC, still makes 4 strikers, we've played 1 up in all friendlies and at the end of last season. We need 3 max which gives us the option of 2 up top now and then.

Though when playing 433 doesn't necessarily mean wide attackers can't be strikers think Oli indicated he was playing wide of a 3 in reserve games last season.

[J-C]

I’m not sure why you are still arguing with me. PH himself said we were still trying to get a deal done for McNulty even after we had brought in Doidge. So he clearly thinks we need another striker. Maybe he doesn’t think Shaw is the answer ?

Not trying to argue just trying to figure out why were going for McNulty when we already have 3 strikers, unless we're letting one go fir sale or loan. As I've stated I think we need another midfielder maybe Omeonga and another winger to cover Boyle if injured or away with Australia. We don't want to get caught out like last season down to our bare bones.

[Kato]

Is this the new scatter gun approach,sign loads of players and hope we stumble across a system that works.

Was that not last season?

[Unseen work]

Do you welcome Scott Allan back? He handed in a transfer request to move directly to them from us.

Yes, I was desperate for Scotty to come back. An outstanding talent who put in a transfer request to join his boyhood team. Wouldn’t hold that against him.

I would also take JC back as he is a great striker and seems to rise on the big occasion, I just never liked his love in with Rangers when he left. Not just going there on loan which I don’t hold against him, but the way he was speaking and acting on social media etc you would think he has a season ticket their for 20 years.

I wonder if we will say we’re interested in Cummings to try get McNulty cheaper....

[jeffers]

Not trying to argue just trying to figure out why were going for McNulty when we already have 3 strikers, unless we're letting one go fir sale or loan. As I've stated I think we need another midfielder maybe Omeonga and another winger to cover Boyle if injured or away with Australia. We don't want to get caught out like last season down to our bare bones.
No worries.

Tomorrow will be my first game so can’t comment on Doidge, but from what I’ve read on here doesn’t seem to be best as a lone striker. Kamberi most certainly isn’t and while McNulty did ok in that role he’s another who isn’t at his best when played that way. I’d hope we play 2 up at least against the teams we’d expect to be in the bottom six.

I don’t disagree we need another midfielder, I fully expect us to sign one. Another wide man would be good too, maybe Newall will be that player though.

[Unseen work]

JC is also very good friends with Allan, wonder if that could influence him. I

[The 90+2]

Didn’t want him back in January ....

Deal was already done with Mcnulty and couldn’t cover wages.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Didn’t want him back in January ....

Lennon was the boss in January

That would have been a big factor of his no return

[TheHibernator]

If we can get Cummings on a free then it's a no brainer to me, don't really buy into the talk that he never proved himself in the prem therefore its a gamble, scored a fair few against premiership opposition whilst in the championship and he'll be a better player than when he left, keep in mind at 23 he's still young so still potential there. Knows the club well, from Edinburgh, still friendly with a few of the boys in the squad, we also need another striker for depth so it makes sense to both parties. Like Scotty, I feel Hibs can get the best out of him and this is the best place for him, whether Hecky is interested is a different matter altogether, can't see him coming personally but I hope I'm wrong.

[500miles]

Cummings, like McNulty are good players for the right price. That doesn't mean any price though.

[Heisenberg]

Hecky says we are done.... “unless circumstances change, something unforeseen happens that we have to react to, that'll be it"

Most likely a bit of a play to try and get some movement on Omeonga/McNulty IMO.

[Stuart93]

Hecky says we are done.... “unless circumstances change, something unforeseen happens that we have to react to, that'll be it"

I don’t believe him

[bingo70]

I don’t believe him

Think it certainly means there’s nothing happening imminently and I can stop refreshing this thread every few minutes.

[Brightside]

Hecky says we are done.... “unless circumstances change, something unforeseen happens that we have to react to, that'll be it"

Most likely a bit of a play to try and get some movement on Omeonga/McNulty IMO.

Still working hard on Omeonga

[Hibs90]

Hecky says we are done.... “unless circumstances change, something unforeseen happens that we have to react to, that'll be it"

Most likely a bit of a play to try and get some movement on Omeonga/McNulty IMO.

Worrying if true, although I have my doubts as to whether to believe him :greengrin

[Stuart93]

Think it certainly means there’s nothing happening imminently and I can stop refreshing this thread every few minutes.

Will you though

[bingo70]

Will you though

Of course not.

Here I am again just checking in case anything had happened in the last 5 minutes since I said I was going to stop checking every five minutes.

What else am I going to do, work? Not likely.

[500miles]

Still working hard on Omeonga

There was a rumour he was spotted at Edinburgh Airport yesterday.

[SHODAN]

Hecky says we are done.... “unless circumstances change, something unforeseen happens that we have to react to, that'll be it"

Most likely a bit of a play to try and get some movement on Omeonga/McNulty IMO.

Nah

[K-Zazu]

We need another striker. Doidge or Flo gets injured then what

[hughio]

There was a rumour he was spotted at Edinburgh Airport yesterday.

Was it a reliable rhumour though?

[SHODAN]

We've done the three first team strikers thing for a few seasons now and it's backfired on us every time, we won't do it again.

[bingo70]

We need another striker. Doidge or Flo gets injured then what

We play with one up front (which we probably will anyway)

If they both get injured then we’d play Shaw and have Boyle as a back up striker.

A bigger concern for me is Vela. If he gets injured then we’ve nobody to step in and play that position. There is people we can put in there but none that are actually any good at linking defence to midfield.

Could be a big season for the youngsters.

[Since90+2]

We need another striker. Doidge or Flo gets injured then what

You could say that about any position. If Boyle and Horgan get injured then what?

If Flo or Doidge get injured then as it stands we play Shaw who has a better goalscoring record per minute played than Flo.

[500miles]

Was it a reliable rumour though?

3rd or 4th hand. So not really, but if underscore thinks we're working on it then maybe.

[The 90+2]

The interview about being done and dusted isn’t what I wanted to hear at all. Done very well within the budget? Can’t really see it at this time.

[Stuart93]

Of course not.

Here I am again just checking in case anything had happened in the last 5 minutes since I said I was going to stop checking every five minutes.

What else am I going to do, work? Not likely.

I’m with you on that one

[B.H.F.C]

The interview about being done and dusted isn’t what I wanted to hear at all. Done very well within the budget? Can’t really see it at this time.

Numbers wise I don’t think we are bad. Maybe a midfielder light.

Whether the players are going to be any good is a different question.

I know lot of people have been on about getting another striker in but if he’s going to play with one up top then I’m not sure we’d ever be doing that unless one went out. The other thing being talked about is a wide player but we have three of them already and I can’t ever remember us having four wide players in the squad.

I do think things will change by the end of the window though.

[Lee Marvin]

The interview about being done and dusted isn’t what I wanted to hear at all. Done very well within the budget? Can’t really see it at this time.

Because you haven't see them actually play in a proper march when fit and ready. Let's wait to see if it's money well spent or not

[Since90+2]

The interview about being done and dusted isn’t what I wanted to hear at all. Done very well within the budget? Can’t really see it at this time.

If it's true he's hardly going to come out and say publicly that he's not happy.

[Wakeyhibee]

Hecky says we are done.... “unless circumstances change, something unforeseen happens that we have to react to, that'll be it"

Most likely a bit of a play to try and get some movement on Omeonga/McNulty IMO.

Didn't take long after Ojo before Vela came in. We'll soon find out hooefully

[calumhibee1]

Because you haven't see them actually play in a proper march when fit and ready. Let's wait to see if it's money well spent or not

People need to stop pretending that League Cup games - one of only two things we can realistically win - aren’t proper games.

[RossScott1991]

Be worried if we are done, not sure Doidge , Kamberi and Shaw is really enough.

Jury is still out on Doidge
Kamberi we know what he can do on his day, but can he get to consistent levels?
Shaw - not convinced at all by yet, hasn’t really made an impact for my liking when coming off the bench.

Hopefully we will add another forward to our ranks

[Bob Box Fish]

Hecky’s just playing the game.

Pretty confident we will get McNulty back but probably on loan.

[Hibeesmad]

Omeonga, Cummings and McNulty all in on loan with the option to buy. Shaw out on loan.

Yes please

[Since452]

We've moved on now but good to hear Heckingbottom say it was us that told Ojo to bolt. Missed his chance to play for Hibs. I still think we'll see one or two more in.

[Leith Green]

I think 1 or 2 will leave and 2 or 3 still to come

[jacomo]

People need to stop pretending that League Cup games - one of only two things we can realistically win - aren’t proper games.


They are, but they are also unhelpfully early as far as the transfer window goes.

[The 90+2]

If it's true he's hardly going to come out and say publicly that he's not happy.

True, would he feel the need to say anything at all though? I can’t see the benefits that would have.

[04Sauzee]

Good to see moat off out signings being 2 or 3 year deals. I'm surprised however that we haven't utilised the loan market more.
Maybe that's a sign tha Heckingbottom does like to develop players and he'd rather develop our own players than someone else's

[BoomtownHibees]

SPFL choosing a strange GIF to use captioned “running in to the weekend like....” with Cummings celebrating scoring for us against the Huns

[greenpaper55]

Best to shut this thread down now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49046835?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland&link_location=live-reporting-story

Done and dusted he says.

[Bobby's Cinema]

We badly need another option up top. Forgetting injuries, as it stands shaw will be the one we turn to on the bench if we are struggling? Not enough imo.

[DarlingtonHibee]

We badly need another option up top. Forgetting injuries, as it stands shaw will be the one we turn to on the bench if we are struggling? Not enough imo.

Agree, still a bit light up front.

[supermcginn]

Best to shut this thread down now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49046835?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland&link_location=live-reporting-story

Done and dusted he says.

If you believe that you'll believe anything. 100 percent at least 2 more coming in.

[we are hibs]

It's not over until the deadline day statement saying all business is done

Everyone knows this.

There is a month and a bit to go until the window closes. We will be bringing in at least another 2.

[Stuart93]

I actually think what he’s said is true

I think there’ll be a couple outgoings and he knows this

Then there’ll be another two or three in

[The Leith Dutch]

We play with one up front (which we probably will anyway)

If they both get injured then we’d play Shaw and have Boyle as a back up striker.

A bigger concern for me is Vela. If he gets injured then we’ve nobody to step in and play that position. There is people we can put in there but none that are actually any good at linking defence to midfield.

Could be a big season for the youngsters.

The bit in bold is spot on.
I think we still need another CM for the starting XI week in week out and that's without Vela being injured.

Put it this way Vela, without kicking a ball, is probably the first name down on the team sheet due to being the only proper player we have in that position given PH doesn't appear to like Slivka.

I reckon if Vela is injured then we're probably looking at makeshift midfielders for the team.
We shouldn't be in that position in the transfer window.

[Since90+2]

True, would he feel the need to say anything at all though? I can’t see the benefits that would have.

He can't not say anything though can he? He's asked at the press conference are you happy with the recruitment this summer, what is he meant to say? I won't comment on that or no comment ect? The press would pick up on that in a second. It's easier just to tow the party line and say he's happy and will go with what he's got if need be.

I'd be amazed if we don't make at least 1more significant signing before the start of the season.

[Hibee Mac]

The bit in bold is spot on.
I think we still need another CM for the starting XI week in week out and that's without Vela being injured.

Put it this way Vela, without kicking a ball, is probably the first name down on the team sheet due to being the only proper player we have in that position given PH doesn't appear to like Slivka.

I reckon if Vela is injured then we're probably looking at makeshift midfielders for the team.
We shouldn't be in that position in the transfer window.

Could not agree more, was about to write an identical post.

Hecky says we have 2 for every position, I'd say we have no backup for Vela unless it's a makeshift one. And we haven't even seen Vela play yet! Another quality CM still top of the list for requirements.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Best to shut this thread down now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49046835?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland&link_location=live-reporting-story

Done and dusted he says.

...but that's not what he said though is it. He has not ruled out additional signings. Read the whole text not just the first few sentences.

[Borderhibbie76]

The interview about being done and dusted isn’t what I wanted to hear at all. Done very well within the budget? Can’t really see it at this time.It's far too early to judge if the signings have been decent or not but I am disappointed massively if that's us done tbh...I hope he is playing a game of bluff

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[Hermit Crab]

Best to shut this thread down now

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Done and dusted he says.



Do you honestly believe that?

[Wilson]

Good to see moat off out signings being 2 or 3 year deals. I'm surprised however that we haven't utilised the loan market more.
Maybe that's a sign tha Heckingbottom does like to develop players and he'd rather develop our own players than someone else's

Heckingbottom has addressed this over the summer. It seems he believed that we had too many loan signings when he joined and that we are now building for the longer term.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/paul-heckingbottom-hibs-many-loan-16547644

[Franck Stanton]

Reading between the lines I think this is Heckie talk for unless Omeonga & McNulty become affordable to us we are not actively pursuing anyone else.

[Iain G]

Reading between the lines I think this is Heckie talk for unless Omeonga & McNulty become affordable to us we are not actively pursuing anyone else.

I agree or unless any specific targets become more available or if anyone was to depart.

[The Leith Dutch]

Exactly. He scored an absolute barrel load of big goals for us. On top of that he scored a good amount in general. The idea that he isn’t good enough just doesn’t add up to me. Thank god we weren’t so quick to write off Scott Allan who has failed at every single club other than Hibs.

He has a good scoring record against big teams and a decent record in big games in general but it's not a barrel load.
His main goal tally is in the lower division however.

Like with most of the stuff on here it's more a shade of gray than black and white.

He's a decent striker who has shown that he can score in big games and has a good cup record during his time with Hibs but who there are also question marks over due to his league scoring record being only in the second flight in Scotland and having failed to make an impact at other clubs.

Those saying not good enough are judging him harshly but equally those talking him up like he's a slam dunk for 15-20 goals in the league are also probably wide of the mark.

The other two bits that bug me are a focus on being a Scottish Cup Winner - so was Conrad Logan who I love but wouldn't fall over myself to re-sign - and "being a match for a club".
We've had examples of both players working out and players not. Cummings I suspect might work out for us but it wouldn't be because of some special bond....it'd be his natural confidence which is a lot of what we got from McNulty when he arrived and what he lost after the bad miss in the internationals.

And if we get him and he hits 20 I'll be f'ing delighted by the way.

[ahibby]

Some of u may know better but at the moment I believe that until the official website has a story which includes a sentence along the lines of 'this concludes our signings this window' we are open for business. That would be in accord with PH statement.

[04Sauzee]

Heckingbottom has addressed this over the summer. It seems he believed that we had too many loan signings when he joined and that we are now building for the longer term.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/paul-heckingbottom-hibs-many-loan-16547644

I understand that, he is also on record as saying the loan market is a market we could utilise.
I'm happy with our long term strategy, just surprised we haven't got a player or 2 in that may have been outwith our normal budget but would make our squad better

[ahibby]

[QUOTE=The Leith Dutch;5850895]He has a good scoring record against big teams and a decent record in big games in general but it's not a barrel load.
His main goal tally is in the lower division however.

Like with most of the stuff on here it's more a shade of gray than black and white.

He's a decent striker who has shown that he can score in big games and has a good cup record during his time with Hibs but who there are also question marks over due to his league scoring record being only in the second flight in Scotland and having failed to make an impact at other clubs.

Those saying not good enough are judging him harshly but equally those talking him up like he's a slam dunk for 15-20 goals in the league are also probably wide of the mark.

The other two bits that bug me are a focus on being a Scottish Cup Winner - so was Conrad Logan who I love but wouldn't fall over myself to re-sign - and "being a match for

Iam not a fan I always thought his preferred option is to shhot hard but straight at goalies like hes playing a computer game. Butcher was bad for him imo. PH might ne better for him or atleast the assistants might be. Imo he has failed at all other clubs and might do ok with us having had more experience. Still not a big fan though.

[ekhibee]

Good to see moat off out signings being 2 or 3 year deals. I'm surprised however that we haven't utilised the loan market more.
Maybe that's a sign tha Heckingbottom does like to develop players and he'd rather develop our own players than someone else's

Difficult one really mate, I suppose it comes down to opinions and after the new signings have played a few games for us. If they turn out to be good/decent signings then less loan deals needed. But if the new signings are ***** and the manager has given them all 2 and 3 year contracts then we probably would need to go down the loan deal route more frequently as he wouldn't have much more money to spend. And if the loan deals were also ***** I would imagine Ron/Leeanne would probably have a whip round for his taxi money.

It's too early to know whether we need more players, we'll probably know more after the 1st few games of the league season.

[Stuart93]

I understand that, he is also on record as saying the loan market is a market we could utilise.
I'm happy with our long term strategy, just surprised we haven't got a player or 2 in that may have been outwith our normal budget but would make our squad better

The window isn’t finished yet?

Managers don’t always tell the truth

We’ll see another couple

[Speedway]

More bluff.

Unless he's given official first team squad places to a Campbell or a Sadiki or a Gullan, then there's still two to come.

[MWHIBBIES]

We need another striker. Doidge or Flo gets injured then what

That logic can't just apply to anything, though. Gray got injured in 2018, we figured it out and Boyle/Ambrose covered. If a player gets injured another will play. Shaw is a very decent option for a few weeks, not worried if he has to cover at all.

[04Sauzee]

More bluff.

Unless he's given official first team squad places to a Campbell or a Sadiki or a Gullan, then there's still two to come.

Hope so really fancied a forward a wide man and another CM

[craigiehibs]

More bluff.

Unless he's given official first team squad places to a Campbell or a Sadiki or a Gullan, then there's still two to come.
agreed. and we havent used the loan marhet ..gk excepted...and that will hot up once the enflish window gets close to xlosing early next month. keep the faith and take the talk in the papers for what it is..really a bit of a non story in reality!

[Bobby's Cinema]

That logic can't just apply to anything, though. Gray got injured in 2018, we figured it out and Boyle/Ambrose covered. If a player gets injured another will play. Shaw is a very decent option for a few weeks, not worried if he has to cover at all.

Imo if shaw has to cover us for a few weeks then we are muddling through rather than having a good option. We need more

[B.H.F.C]

Imo if shaw has to cover us for a few weeks then we are muddling through rather than having a good option. We need more

Problem is you’re not gonna get a much better option to come and sit on the bench in case he’s needed.

[S4uzee]

Best to shut this thread down now

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Done and dusted he says.
Maybe Wee Ron has seen the signings so far don’t look up to scratch and Hecky isn’t getting any more money?

[Smartie]

If that's us done Hecky will be gone by Christmas and we'll be rebuilding in January to stave off relegation. We don't have a midfield unit to cope in this league, albeit we have some very good midfielders.

Fortunately I think he's at it.........

[The 90+2]

He can't not say anything though can he? He's asked at the press conference are you happy with the recruitment this summer, what is he meant to say? I won't comment on that or no comment ect? The press would pick up on that in a second. It's easier just to tow the party line and say he's happy and will go with what he's got if need be.

I'd be amazed if we don't make at least 1more significant signing before the start of the season.

He could have said he was happy with what we have so far in the window and move on. That’s a clear indication he’s happy with the squad give or take one or two. It doesn’t look like any sort of improvement from last year and without McNulty or Omegonga it’s even weaker than last season arguably and that’s going from last seasons squad being definitely weaker than the squad the season before that.

[The 90+2]

If that's us done Hecky will be gone by Christmas and we'll be rebuilding in January to stave off relegation. We don't have a midfield unit to cope in this league, albeit we have some very good midfielders.

Fortunately I think he's at it.........

Bloody well hope so.

[The 90+2]

Maybe Wee Ron has seen the signings so far don’t look up to scratch and Hecky isn’t getting any more money?

I’m not very sure he’s going to come in and judge signings over a few games then make that decision. Hecky will be fully backed and will be judged between now and January.

[Heisenberg]

He says “unless circumstances change”. Circumstances will definitely change as the next few weeks go on. Absolute guarantee.

[The 90+2]

He says “unless circumstances change”. Circumstances will definitely change as the next few weeks go on. Absolute guarantee.

That could depend how quickly Slivka gets himself up and running imo.

[Unseen work]

The other thing Cummings has that I think we’re missing is the ability to score out of absolutley nothing.

Outside the box, tight angle, cheeky attempts he will try and score from.

Im not sure our strikers have that about them. Kamberi has scored a couple in his time, outside the box twice against Celtic but he was more that go horrible wide or he scuffs from distance.

[007]

He says “unless circumstances change”. Circumstances will definitely change as the next few weeks go on. Absolute guarantee.

Aye, Doidge and Kamberi injured tomorrow.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Aye, Doidge and Kamberi injured tomorrow.

Are they?

[Stuart93]

Aye, Doidge and Kamberi injured tomorrow.

Hahaha aye are they? If true then Christ we’re in trouble even if it is only Alloa

[HFC93]

Aye, Doidge and Kamberi injured tomorrow.

This passed me by.

[Onceinawhile]

Aye, Doidge and Kamberi injured tomorrow.

Where's that been said? Doidge spoke to the media today and didn't seem to mention it?

[bingo70]

Think the poster is saying if they get injured tomorrow then that’ll be circumstances changed and we’ll need to buy someone else.

[Wakeyhibee]

I'm taking this as "we are done....for now". The players we want are out of reach.

So do we either sit for a while until the English windows draws to a close or do we start looking at lower leagues/targets when our main targets position might change in the next 6 weeks.

Was just thinking this time last year we had Kamberi and Shaw. We've got Doidge for McLaren. So up front not any less choice than NL had

[007]

Are they?

No, I was replying to Heisenberg who said "He says “unless circumstances change”. Circumstances will definitely change as the next few weeks go on. Absolute guarantee."

I was meaning Doidge and Kamberi getting injured tomorrow would be a significant change in circumstances. Apologies for being misleading. I'd have said they are both injured or they are both injured "for" tomorrow.

[007]

Think the poster is saying if they get injured tomorrow then that’ll be circumstances changed and we’ll need to buy someone else.

Yes, that's exactly what I was meaning. Thanks Bingo.

[bingo70]

I'm taking this as "we are done....for now". The players we want are out of reach.

So do we either sit for a while until the English windows draws to a close or do we start looking at lower leagues/targets when our main targets position might change in the next 6 weeks.

Was just thinking this time last year we had Kamberi and Shaw. We've got Doidge for McLaren. So up front not any less choice than NL had

I didn’t think that was enough then either to be honest.

It’s a bit different now with us playing one up front, if that’s the case I think having 3 forwards is enough.

I really would like us to sign another winger though, I think we’re really struggling for depth there. Last season we struggled when Boyle was injured and although he’s back now he will be away a lot with Australia and it appears Newells best position is going to be more central.

Another midfielder and a winger/forward that can play on the wings of a 3 us still needed imo.

[GloryGlory]

No, I was replying to Heisenberg who said "He says “unless circumstances change”. Circumstances will definitely change as the next few weeks go on. Absolute guarantee."

I was meaning Doidge and Kamberi getting injured tomorrow would be a significant change in circumstances. Apologies for being misleading. I'd have said they are both injured or they are both injured "for" tomorrow.

Maybe the "circumstances" relate to players we want, but can't currently get - e.g. club wants bigger fee than we want to pay, player wants more money than we have offered or wants to wait a bit longer before deciding. So if we get to the closing of the English window it could be that these circumstances could change back in our favour.

[Winston Ingram]

He’s average and i would be staggered if we signed him again and made him our highest paid player.

This

[Wakeyhibee]

I didn’t think that was enough then either to be honest.

It’s a bit different now with us playing one up front, if that’s the case I think having 3 forwards is enough.

I really would like us to sign another winger though, I think we’re really struggling for depth there. Last season we struggled when Boyle was injured and although he’s back now he will be away a lot with Australia and it appears Newells best position is going to be more central.

Another midfielder and a winger/forward that can play on the wings of a 3 us still needed imo.

I'd go with that, we're got loads of midfielders if you Inc Boyle & Horgan but not the variety or right mix unless Vela is more DM. "

[Stokesy's on fire]

Maybe Wee Ron has seen the signings so far don’t look up to scratch and Hecky isn’t getting any more money?

Ron knows very little about football so i doubt he would be in a position to judge Heckingbottom

[Stokesy's on fire]

The other thing Cummings has that I think we’re missing is the ability to score out of absolutley nothing.

Outside the box, tight angle, cheeky attempts he will try and score from.

Im not sure our strikers have that about them. Kamberi has scored a couple in his time, outside the box twice against Celtic but he was more that go horrible wide or he scuffs from distance.

Cummings would be ideal for that out of nothing ability suet we have to take him back its a no brainer for me.

[Onceinawhile]

Ron knows very little about football so i doubt he would be in a position to judge Heckingbottom

What makes you say that Ron knows very little about football?

[MWHIBBIES]

No, I was replying to Heisenberg who said "He says “unless circumstances change”. Circumstances will definitely change as the next few weeks go on. Absolute guarantee."

I was meaning Doidge and Kamberi getting injured tomorrow would be a significant change in circumstances. Apologies for being misleading. I'd have said they are both injured or they are both injured "for" tomorrow.

Marciano, Allan, Horgan or whomever getting injured tomorrow would also significantly change circumstances.

[Stevie Reid]

I don’t think for one second that we’re done. Presuming that Vela is on a similar wage to what Ojo’s final salary offer would have been, there’s the £130K fee that wasn’t spent. Some has maybe gone to Vela as a signing on fee, mind you.

[Tug Wilson]

What makes you say that Ron knows very little about football?

I was going to ask the same.

[brydekirk]

Reading between the lines I think this is Heckie talk for unless Omeonga & McNulty become affordable to us we are not actively pursuing anyone else.

Agree

[brog]

I don’t think for one second that we’re done. Presuming that Vela is on a similar wage to what Ojo’s final salary offer would have been, there’s the £130K fee that wasn’t spent. Some has maybe gone to Vela as a signing on fee, mind you.


I would think a good chunk of it.

[IvanSproule]

If that's us done Hecky will be gone by Christmas and we'll be rebuilding in January to stave off relegation. We don't have a midfield unit to cope in this league, albeit we have some very good midfielders.

Fortunately I think he's at it.........

You've lost the nut mate.




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[Smartie]

You've lost the nut mate.




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Possibly.

What midfielders do you play, and where? If you play 2 strikers, which 2 play as a pair? If you play 1 striker, which combination of 3 do you go with? Vela's credentials are good, we all know how good Allan is but what about the rest? Are they top 6 midfielders? What if we get an injury or two there, as often happens with players who play in that position?

It's the most important part of the team, and I'd be surprised if most of the teams in our league aren't in better shape than us in that department.

Our midfield problems were the biggest reason behind us being 8th at Christmas last season and we needed the signings of Omeonga and McNulty to turn our season around.

Hopefully we signs of things starting to come together tomorrow but if anyone thinks we are ready to go into the league season with what we've got, I think they're the one who has lost the nut.

[GreenOnions]

If that's us done Hecky will be gone by Christmas and we'll be rebuilding in January to stave off relegation. We don't have a midfield unit to cope in this league, albeit we have some very good midfielders.

Fortunately I think he's at it.........

We've lost Bartley, Milligan and (so far) Omeonga from the squad used mostly in midfield in the second half of last season. We've added Allan, Vela and Newell. We also have boyle back who didn't play during that period. Is that weaker?

From that same period when we went 13 games unbeaten we have the same defence plus James and Jackson with Porteous also returning. That's stronger surely?

Up front it's more difficult to tell at the moment as we've replaced McNulty with Doidge so far.

I agree with you that we need at least one more quality midfield player in and another striker but I think you're being a little dramatic with predictions of doom.

[Heisenberg]

No McNulty or Omeonga unless we sell...

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2019/07/19/hibs-head-coach-admits-defeat-in-pursuit-of-reading-striker-and-genoa-midfielder-for-now/

[Vault Boy]

No McNulty or Omeonga unless we sell...

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2019/07/19/hibs-head-coach-admits-defeat-in-pursuit-of-reading-striker-and-genoa-midfielder-for-now/

Interesting, that final line suggests to me that we're looking elsewhere, rather than we're not looking at all.

Otherwise, surely there'd be no issue with pursuing deals that have a 10% chance of happening? I wonder who's on the radar.

[Smartie]

We've lost Bartley, Milligan and (so far) Omeonga from the squad used mostly in midfield in the second half of last season. We've added Allan, Vela and Newell. We also have boyle back who didn't play during that period. Is that weaker?

From that same period when we went 13 games unbeaten we have the same defence plus James and Jackson with Porteous also returning. That's stronger surely?

Up front it's more difficult to tell at the moment as we've replaced McNulty with Doidge so far.

I agree with you that we need at least one more quality midfield player in and another striker but I think you're being a little dramatic with predictions of doom.

I'm very happy with the defence and goalkeeper.

Strikers are ok.

I just think the midfield looks light (without knowing much about Vela). I don't see much graft, muscle, industry or battle in there. Some tidy footballers yes, but in a physical league I think almost any combination of our current players would be dominated by most of the teams in our league. Even some of the weaker teams have a a few grizzly old pros.

[PH91]

Interesting, that final line suggests to me that we're looking elsewhere, rather than we're not looking at all.

Otherwise, surely there'd be no issue with pursuing deals that have a 10% chance of happening? I wonder who's on the radar.

"Heckingbottom, who has spoken repeatedly of his desire to bring back loan duo Marc McNulty and Stephane Omeonga, added: "We're done, unless something unforeseen happens."

That was from bbc earlier. I take that, and the latest news, as we're done with those 2 rather than done altogether. I am hoping to see another couple in, midfielder and winger/striker (i think we will sign someone who can play both positions).

[Vault Boy]

"Heckingbottom, who has spoken repeatedly of his desire to bring back loan duo Marc McNulty and Stephane Omeonga, added: "We're done, unless something unforeseen happens."

That was from bbc earlier. I take that, and the latest news, as we're done with those 2 rather than done altogether. I am hoping to see another couple in, midfielder and winger/striker (i think we will sign someone who can play both positions).

Agreed. It was a somewhat strange choice of words, that maybe wilted under the spotlight slightly when the first 'Hibs are done' headlines came out.

The striker is the intriguing one for me, although if the rumours about our interest in Cummings (plus our well reported pursuit of McNulty) are true, then it seems that it's a poacher we're after, rather than an inside forward/winger.

[Heisenberg]

Our interest in Moon surely suggests we are looking to add another attacking player. Keep forgetting Slivka exists as well so he’s still to come back in midfield.

[GreenOnions]

I'm very happy with the defence and goalkeeper.

Strikers are ok.

I just think the midfield looks light (without knowing much about Vela). I don't see much graft, muscle, industry or battle in there. Some tidy footballers yes, but in a physical league I think almost any combination of our current players would be dominated by most of the teams in our league. Even some of the weaker teams have a a few grizzly old pros.

I do agree with you about the balance of the midfield - especially the characteristics you mention.

Hopefully we can add some more of that. I'm sure we will.

🙂

[Kato]

Maybe Wee Ron has seen the signings so far don’t look up to scratch and Hecky isn’t getting any more money?

Buzz kill

[Vault Boy]

Our interest in Moon surely suggests we are looking to add another attacking player. Keep forgetting Slivka exists as well so he’s still to come back in midfield.

Have we been given a time scale for his return or is it still wait and see? I know the injury came from an inflammation after a bump on international duty, that apparently just got worse with time, but that's all really.

I'm quietly hopeful that Slivka surprises everyone this season by producing his best football more regularly. With it being his third season in Scotland and potentially playing for a new contract or move, it's really make or break for Vyk.

[DetroitHibs]

From what I’ve seen so far, I don’t think we will challenge the top four. Mid table at best. That is unless we add some proven quality in the attacking areas.

[Unseen work]

https://youtu.be/3Xa9cdN1yxc the interview where he says we’re done if anyone hasn’t seen it.

FWIW I think he’s at it, he will still want another couple of players in and will he hoping to call other teams bluff (Genona and Reading).

Fully expect another defensive minded midfielder, winger and striker.

A couple will depart I would imagine although I’m not convinced our squad is big enough to allow that. Whittikar is the only one I wouldn’t mind leaving. I wouldn’t get rid of Slivka or Shaw are they’re back up, young and will do a job when called upon.

Slicka gets stuck but always seems to pop up in the big occasion. Shaw is young and has shown he can score goals, he just needs a confidence boost.

We have the making of a good squad, a couple more shrewd acquisitions of quality and in the right areas which make us well balanced will make us look very good imo.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm very happy with the defence and goalkeeper.

Strikers are ok.

I just think the midfield looks light (without knowing much about Vela). I don't see much graft, muscle, industry or battle in there. Some tidy footballers yes, but in a physical league I think almost any combination of our current players would be dominated by most of the teams in our league. Even some of the weaker teams have a a few grizzly old pros.

In an attacking sense I think our midfield/wide players could be as good as anything in the league. Allan, Mallan, Horgan and Boyle should all be getting plenty goals and assists. But if there is nobody to tackle and get the ball to them they’ll struggle. We’re very reliant on Vela being a player.

[04Sauzee]

https://youtu.be/3Xa9cdN1yxc the interview where he says we’re done if anyone hasn’t seen it.

FWIW I think he’s at it, he will still want another couple of players in and will he hoping to call other teams bluff (Genona and Reading).

Fully expect another defensive minded midfielder, winger and striker.

A couple will depart I would imagine although I’m not convinced our squad is big enough to allow that. Whittikar is the only one I wouldn’t mind leaving. I wouldn’t get rid of Slivka or Shaw are they’re back up, young and will do a job when called upon.

Slicka gets stuck but always seems to pop up in the big occasion. Shaw is young and has shown he can score goals, he just needs a confidence boost.

We have the making of a good squad, a couple more shrewd acquisitions of quality and in the right areas which make us well balanced will make us look very good imo.

That's the positions id like to see filled. I do think Slivka and Whittaker may be with different teams come the end of the transfer window. That's not me saying I'd like them out its just a gut feeling

[Nicho87]

So hecky saying we’re missing out on omenonga and mcnulty due to cost. So he’s not happy with squad.

[K-Zazu]

Cmon Ron get the wallet oot

[The 90+2]

Cmon Ron get the wallet oot

Pie in the sky.

[Brightside]

Quicker the season starts proper the better. A few wins and this place will go back to 20 people having nice chats.

[The 90+2]

Quicker the season starts proper the better. A few wins and this place will go back to 20 people having nice chats.

Well when it starts the summer thread will be gone at the end of Aug at least.

[Wilson]

Quicker the season starts proper the better. A few wins and this place will go back to 20 people having nice chats.

A few wins! How deep into the season are you looking?

[Brightside]

A few wins! How deep into the season are you looking?

4 games in 3 wins and a draw. From tomorrow.

[Wilson]

4 games in 3 wins and a draw. From tomorrow.

That would do for starters :wink:

[Real Emerald]

So hecky saying we’re missing out on omenonga and mcnulty due to cost. So he’s not happy with squad.

I fully understand that both of those due to circumstances could be way out of our budget but I still don’t think McNulty was that much better than Cummings, who appears to be available. I don’t think Cummings comes close to our better centre forwards over the years but he can score big game goals and winds folk up. We need another striker as relying on Boyle playing there as a back up like last season is totally wrong. The other strikers we have really need to win me over, or Kamberii needs to find his mojo.

[Borderhibbie76]

We've lost Bartley, Milligan and (so far) Omeonga from the squad used mostly in midfield in the second half of last season. We've added Allan, Vela and Newell. We also have boyle back who didn't play during that period. Is that weaker?

From that same period when we went 13 games unbeaten we have the same defence plus James and Jackson with Porteous also returning. That's stronger surely?

Up front it's more difficult to tell at the moment as we've replaced McNulty with Doidge so far.

I agree with you that we need at least one more quality midfield player in and another striker but I think you're being a little dramatic with predictions of doom.Very good post this and fair

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[CRAZYHIBBY]

15 games hecky....tick tock

[Bishop Hibee]

Possibly.

What midfielders do you play, and where? If you play 2 strikers, which 2 play as a pair? If you play 1 striker, which combination of 3 do you go with? Vela's credentials are good, we all know how good Allan is but what about the rest? Are they top 6 midfielders? What if we get an injury or two there, as often happens with players who play in that position?

It's the most important part of the team, and I'd be surprised if most of the teams in our league aren't in better shape than us in that department.

Our midfield problems were the biggest reason behind us being 8th at Christmas last season and we needed the signings of Omeonga and McNulty to turn our season around.

Hopefully we signs of things starting to come together tomorrow but if anyone thinks we are ready to go into the league season with what we've got, I think they're the one who has lost the nut.

Agree with you on this and your subsequent posts about the defence and the forwards. The midfield is a worry. I can't see any way that Mallan and Allan play together.

[hibbie02]

If that's our transfer business done, we are f***d! We will be mid to lower table. We will play nice football against the lower teams, probably draw, and lose to the Uglies, Hertz and the Sheepies. We still need at least 2 marquee signings. If our new owners have any ambition, now is the time to show it. Otherwise we are going to play catch up for years!

[HFC93]

I am going out on a limb here and say that Hibs will sign a few more players this window.

[Brightside]

If that's our transfer business done, we are f***d! We will be mid to lower table. We will play nice football against the lower teams, probably draw, and lose to the Uglies, Hertz and the Sheepies. We still need at least 2 marquee signings. If our new owners have any ambition, now is the time to show it. Otherwise we are going to play catch up for years!

I’ll happily bet you £100 to the Hibs Community that we wont be in the lower half of the table.

[Stuart93]

If that's our transfer business done, we are f***d! We will be mid to lower table. We will play nice football against the lower teams, probably draw, and lose to the Uglies, Hertz and the Sheepies. We still need at least 2 marquee signings. If our new owners have any ambition, now is the time to show it. Otherwise we are going to play catch up for years!

Have a day off ffs

[HoboHarry]

If that's our transfer business done, we are f***d! We will be mid to lower table. We will play nice football against the lower teams, probably draw, and lose to the Uglies, Hertz and the Sheepies. We still need at least 2 marquee signings. If our new owners have any ambition, now is the time to show it. Otherwise we are going to play catch up for years!
:doh:

[NAE NOOKIE]

After reading page after page of this thread, musing over the merits of the players we have brought in and looking at our last few results I can confidently say I haven't got the first clue how our season is going to pan out. :greengrin

Everything could click and we might be brilliant, or we have signed a load of duds and we are fooooked …. I haven't seen any of the new guys play and I wont until the Arbroath game, but if anybody who has seen us play recently can come on here and tell me they have seen signs that any of our new signings are going to turn out to be legends in the making I would love to here it, because so far nobody seems very excited by them.

[Col2]

Given Heckingbottom interview I would see possible “change of circumstances” in likely order:-

1. Reading fail to sell McNulty before window closes early August - he is loaned back to us or settle for cut price / McNulty pay off type deal.

2. Kamberi is sold for size-able fee giving us flex for McNulty and say possibly Cummings recruitment

3. Marciano/Slivka is sold and as above gives us flex with no need to find new no 1 goalie (other than more cover) but may need another CM.

4. Omeonga price reduces and we negotiate deal (unlikely given other interested parties)

5. Ron gives us more money for playing squad - unlikely given he will spend a few weeks and months getting to understand the club and has already indicated that we won’t see huge increase in player budget.

Of course if Heckingbottom has poor start to league season then some level of extra recruitment may be required.

And if we get a big injury to a 1st team player we will naturally go out and replace as we have done before.

My prediction? - I see McNulty coming back on loan - scenario 1 and another player on loan (winger) from premier league club before window closes.

[jacomo]

From what I’ve seen so far, I don’t think we will challenge the top four. Mid table at best. That is unless we add some proven quality in the attacking areas.


What have you seen?

[CLASS OF 72 -73]

What have you seen?

Bar Allan a bunch of unknowns that up to now haven't set the heather alight. If under cooked at this early stage you normally see if any have a bit about them to get excited.Not much at the minute for me either but sure Hecky knows best.

[The_Horde]

Bar Allan a bunch of unknowns that up to now haven't set the heather alight. If under cooked at this early stage you normally see if any have a bit about them to get excited.Not much at the minute for me either but sure Hecky knows best.

Allan wasn't exactly brilliant at Stirling either.

[Ronniekirk]

From what I’ve seen so far, I don’t think we will challenge the top four. Mid table at best. That is unless we add some proven quality in the attacking areas.

The slow down in Season ticket sales suggests your not alone in thinking that


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[Brightside]

The slow down in Season ticket sales suggests your not alone in thinking that


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Or maybe 500+ people that made use of the cheap as chips options in FF have now been found out?

[DTS]

I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

[jacomo]

Bar Allan a bunch of unknowns that up to now haven't set the heather alight. If under cooked at this early stage you normally see if any have a bit about them to get excited.Not much at the minute for me either but sure Hecky knows best.


Fine. But I’m getting bored of folk who haven’t actually seen us play yet this season giving it the full ‘we’re never good enough’.

[calumhibee1]

Fine. But I’m getting bored of folk who haven’t actually seen us play yet this season giving it the full ‘we’re never good enough’.

People are just basing their opinion on what we’ve seen. It’s only natural, first impressions and all that. Of course the new signings have plenty time to come good, but I don’t think there’s any denying that the first impressions of some haven’t been great.

[Brightside]

I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

We will have no facts on this thread sir. 😂

[Brightside]

People are just basing their opinion on what we’ve seen. It’s only natural, first impressions and all that. Of course the new signings have plenty time to come good, but I don’t think there’s any denying that the first impressions of some haven’t been great.

I’d suggest the majority haven’t even seen and are just giving an opinion. There will be 6000 there today but everyone on .net will be sure to tell us how bad players played.

[Smartie]

I am going out on a limb here and say that Hibs will sign a few more players this window.

I think Hibs will sign at least one more player.

I should also add that I don't think we need much, we're not in the position we've been in in the past where we get to this point 4 or 5 players short.

We need one, maybe two players, and if the one or two are what we're looking for then I'll be very confident as I like a lot of what we have.

[J-C]

I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

Great post, I don't think we're far away maybe an energetic all round CM to cover Vela, once we get up and running we should have enough about us. We also have young Gilantes from the Dev side who's a speed merchant by all accounts, had his injury problems last year and given a new big contract, add in Gullan and we have plenty bodies.

[GreenCastle]

I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

Fair response.

I don’t think we have a bottom 6 squad but I do feel we still need 1 or 2 who will make the difference against Aberdeen or Hearts at least let alone Celtic or Rangers.

I’m hoping getting players in early and a squad togetherness will give us that little bit extra.

I also would be very surprised if we don’t add at least 1 more player in the next 20 days.

[jacomo]

I’d suggest the majority haven’t even seen and are just giving an opinion. There will be 6000 there today but everyone on .net will be sure to tell us how bad players played.


:agree:

[hibbyfraelibby]

I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

FGS how can you be so logical and reasoned in the face of so much bed wetting? You will have "The Incontinents" among us positively gushing in biblical proportions into their super-tenas

[B.H.F.C]

I think Hibs will sign at least one more player.

I should also add that I don't think we need much, we're not in the position we've been in in the past where we get to this point 4 or 5 players short.

We need one, maybe two players, and if the one or two are what we're looking for then I'll be very confident as I like a lot of what we have.

We’re in a better position in terms of numbers than we normally are.

Two goalies who will see themselves as our number one.
Two right backs and two left backs.
4 centre halves.
Attacking midfield and wide players who should all chip in with goals and assists regularly.
Two strikers who will see themselves as our number nine.

Still think we are short in the middle of the park and very reliant on Vela who I’ve never seen play.

If you compare it to last year when we didn’t know what was happening with McGinn, didn’t get Milligan in until September and never had the the likes of MacLaren and Horgan in until relatively late we should be much more prepared for the season. If we’re crap this year it shouldn’t be down to not being prepared.

[Unseen work]

I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

This 100%.

I think we could do with a bit more balance and options in the defensive midfield role and winger with pace and hopefully a striker.

Last season I think Heck got the best out of a limited team (number of players to choose from). He got them working well and collectively which made us hard to beat. This season I would be looking for that again but with a lot more threat going forward and possession of the ball.

Millgian wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea but he did provide very good cover in midfield and would win a lot of tackles, interceptions, headers and keep us ticking over. He was also an organiser and I imagine key in getting those around him in position.

Mallan imo has improved massively and is becoming a lot better defensively than folk give him credit for, he also seems to be the one organising others now. My only issue is I think he’s wasted doing that role a bit and would prefer someone who enjoyed the ugly side a bit more than him.

Teams like Aberdeen, Kilmarnock and Hearts all have players in the centre of the park who are big and make your life uncomfortable by getting in your face and not giving you a second, they have the wingers and strikers there to win a a game and rely heavily on there organisation.

I would say were the opposite, we have players that are difficult when they’re on the Ball and it’s going well, but I think would be quite easy to overrun.

Im confident Heckingbottom willl get a good system into place however and add new faces.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/hibs-boss-reveals-loan-stars-won-t-be-coming-back-1-4968304

[Borderhibbie76]

This 100%.

I think we could do with a bit more balance and options in the defensive midfield role and winger with pace and hopefully a striker.

Last season I think Heck got the best out of a limited team (number of players to choose from). He got them working well and collectively which made us hard to beat. This season I would be looking for that again but with a lot more threat going forward and possession of the ball.

Millgian wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea but he did provide very good cover in midfield and would win a lot of tackles, interceptions, headers and keep us ticking over. He was also an organiser and I imagine key in getting those around him in position.

Mallan imo has improved massively and is becoming a lot better defensively than folk give him credit for, he also seems to be the one organising others now. My only issue is I think he’s wasted doing that role a bit and would prefer someone who enjoyed the ugly side a bit more than him.

Teams like Aberdeen, Kilmarnock and Hearts all have players in the centre of the park who are big and make your life uncomfortable by getting in your face and not giving you a second, they have the wingers and strikers there to win a a game and rely heavily on there organisation.

I would say were the opposite, we have players that are difficult when they’re on the Ball and it’s going well, but I think would be quite easy to overrun.

Im confident Heckingbottom willl get a good system into place however and add new faces.I'd imagine we will see at least one more signing late in the window maybe with a Slivka heading for the exit door. Just watched Hecky in Hibs TV and I think he is saying unless something happens then we are done...a lot now depends if if we lose anyone I suppose re Slivka, Flo or Rocky for example.

Or he could just be playing hardball with Genoa and Reading over Omeonga and McNulty - I don't believe either of those deals are dead in water just yet.

What we all need is a positive performance today as been far too much negativity on here in last few weeks.

I'm looking forward to getting back to ER today and hopefully a few goals and a big win for the Hibees - a Joe Newall hat trick would be outstanding after some of the comments about him on here this week :)

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[blackpoolhibs]

4 games in 3 wins and a draw. From tomorrow.

You cant count the draw if you dont think the season has started yet?

[DTS]

This 100%.

I think we could do with a bit more balance and options in the defensive midfield role and winger with pace and hopefully a striker.

Last season I think Heck got the best out of a limited team (number of players to choose from). He got them working well and collectively which made us hard to beat. This season I would be looking for that again but with a lot more threat going forward and possession of the ball.

Millgian wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea but he did provide very good cover in midfield and would win a lot of tackles, interceptions, headers and keep us ticking over. He was also an organiser and I imagine key in getting those around him in position.

Mallan imo has improved massively and is becoming a lot better defensively than folk give him credit for, he also seems to be the one organising others now. My only issue is I think he’s wasted doing that role a bit and would prefer someone who enjoyed the ugly side a bit more than him.

Teams like Aberdeen, Kilmarnock and Hearts all have players in the centre of the park who are big and make your life uncomfortable by getting in your face and not giving you a second, they have the wingers and strikers there to win a a game and rely heavily on there organisation.

I would say were the opposite, we have players that are difficult when they’re on the Ball and it’s going well, but I think would be quite easy to overrun.

Im confident Heckingbottom willl get a good system into place however and add new faces.

I totally understand what you’re saying and I also wouldn’t mind another few players coming in, in the positions you mention but won’t panic if we go with what we have.

Aberdeen have replaced shinnie with Bryson who has hardly been fit for derby the last 2 season so that’s still to be seen and they obviously have Ojo but I’d imagine he’s similar to Vela playing style as we were interested in both. They also have lewis Ferguson who I like a lot but after they 3 they have nothing but kids in CM, so I don’t particularly see their CM options as better than ours.

Hearts have been lining up with sean Clare in centre mid with one of their many kids, their other options would be bozanic, Edwards and Harring. Harring for me is a good player in the mould you mention but he’s currently injured again.

Kilmarnock have two good midfielders doing the dirty work in power and sicker but I see them struggling massively this season and will be surprised if they finish top 6. They’ve hardly recruited yet and if Findlay goes then they’ll struggle.

Yes we should focus on ourselves and strengthen as much as possible but let’s not over hype other teams in the process of down crying us(not saying you are I mean in general).

I’m confident we will have a very solid base and will look to press high and win the ball high resulting in dominating the ball(if all goes well)

[Wheat Hound]

I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

Good post mate and makes a lot of sense.

Need to put last week behind us and look ahead positively.

[Springbank]

Or maybe 500+ people that made use of the cheap as chips options in FF have now been found out?

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

[JimboHibs]

From what I’ve seen so far, I don’t think we will challenge the top four. Mid table at best. That is unless we add some proven quality in the attacking areas.

Top 4 ? You mean cant see us finishing possibly 3rd or 4th ... lets not kid on we challenge 1st or 2nd !!

[SMAXXA]

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

In what way are they journeymen?

Vela been at Bolton all his career

[CapitalGreen]

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

I’m not sure you fully understand the meaning of the word journeyman. Of all the players we have signed, Scott Allan is probably the closest to the definition of journeyman.

[BoomtownHibees]

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

What constitutes “journeymen” with our signings?

[Allant1981]

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

Why bother even typing this rubbish out

[04Sauzee]

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

James
Jackson
Newall
Vella

None of the above are journeymen

[matty_f]

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

I don’t think that the result against Stirling, and the subsequent win for Arbroath, tells us anything about the quality of players we’ve signed otherwise we’d be expecting lots of Championship and English League 1 clubs to be scouting and signing from Arbroath.

[berwickhibee]

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

We werent lucky to draw with stirling albion,we should have won comfortably.

[Sir David Gray]

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

I don't think we have signed journeymen (I think you need to look up the meaning of the word) but it does remain to be seen whether the signings will work out, the early signs haven't been fantastic.

I do agree with your first sentence though, I think today is a big day for Heckingbottom and a convincing win is needed after last week's horror show.

[worcesterhibby]

I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

excellent post, full of reasoned thinking and good sense. Personally I think Jackson will start ahead of McGregor this season but otherwise I’m in complete agreement. I also don’t think our transfer business is over at all. Another defensive midfielder will come in and likely a striker too.

[Eyrie]

We still need one more workhorse in midfield who could be Omeonga or a youngster. That would allow us to play Allan, Mallan and Vela in games against weaker opposition and Allan, Vela and the one more in the big games.

I'm not convinced that we need another striker if we're only playing one up front, because that is either Doidge or Kamberi which means we've got a big wage sitting on the bench doing nothing. I'd rather have Shaw as the cheap third striker who does score goals. The exception would be if we can find a player who can both play through the middle and out wide. Based on last season, that isn't Kamberi.

I also find it interesting that we didn't bring back Agyepong as a fourth winger. Maybe he didn't show us enough last season, or maybe Mac City want him to get more playing time than we could offer.

[Iain G]

today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

About time? Half of them have been here for only ta few weeks!