Summer 2020-21 transfer thread

[Hibs90]

Also raises serious questions about the difference between Dundee Utd’s newish owner & our new owner.

I get what you are saying, but be prepared for backlash.

[The 90+2]

I remember Hearts once had an owner that threw money at them.

You’re seriously comparing the two? Because their owner decides to spend money on transfers to try sell them on at a later date?

[CapitalGreen]

It’s June 16th, we aren’t back in pre-season training yet, we’re in the middle of a global pandemic yet the usual suspects are already having their annual meltdown about our transfer activity.

[Heisenberg]

Aye it’s a bit ***** to see a newly promoted club chucking £250k at your January target whilst we’re having to pay people off.

A right kick in the teeth for fans as well.

Also raises serious questions about the difference between Dundee Utd’s newish owner & our new owner.

It’s pretty simple, their owner is prepared to bankroll the club and spend outwith their means to try and buy success. Ours isn’t and that’s not what he came in with the intention to do, never has been.

[Hibs90]

It’s pretty simple, their owner is prepared to bankroll the club and spend outwith their means to try and buy success. Ours isn’t and that’s not what he came in with the intention to do, never has been.

I think you could argue they are spending money to sell on in the future.

[Blaster]

It’s pretty simple, their owner is prepared to bankroll the club and spend outwith their means to try and buy success. Ours isn’t and that’s not what he came in with the intention to do, never has been.

He could also be putting the club in debt. Hard to tell. I think they know Shankland is going for a decent fee

[Hibs90]

It’s June 16th, we aren’t back in pre-season training yet, we’re in the middle of a global pandemic yet the usual suspects are already having their annual meltdown about our transfer activity.

It's hardly a meltdown. People are allowed to discuss things you know. Not everyone has to agree with everything.

[Stuart93]

I think you could argue they are spending money to sell on in the future.

Speculate to accumulate.

They took a chance on signing Shankland and will be selling him on for a few million. 250k is a small amount for a player you might make a few million for in a few years

[bingo70]

You’re seriously comparing the two? Because their owner decides to spend money on transfers to try sell them on at a later date?

So you want Hibs to live outwith our means?

Hope you’ve never moaned about Hearts or Rangers doing that in the past.

FWIW i’d normally suggest there’s a balance to be had, it’s different times now though, now is the time to be tightening the purse strings.

[Del Boy]

You’re seriously comparing the two? Because their owner decides to spend money on transfers to try sell them on at a later date?

Agree, it’s a very different tactic than Romanov’s Hearts. United signing young Scottish players to develop and sell on. Might work, might not but good to see ambition from a club that’s just been promoted.

[Heisenberg]

I think you could argue they are spending money to sell on in the future.

Fine if it works out, disaster if not. We simply cannot afford to take a gamble like that just now, as evidenced by our statement yesterday. Their owner had their wages to turnover ratio at above 130% and that was excluding Shanklands wage. That’s not spending to sell on in the future.

[The 90+2]

So you want Hibs to live outwith our means?

Hope you’ve never moaned about Hearts or Rangers doing that in the past.

FWIW i’d normally suggest there’s a balance to be had, it’s different times now though, now is the time to be tightening the purse strings.

I want our owner to take over the club and have ambition and not just safe hands for the first time in my entire life, yes.

We always have the purse strings tightened for various reasons and are the most patient bunch of fans in football.

“Nobody else will be spending” isnt. A valid comparison though, Dundee Utd and Motherwell have already shown they will. Purse strings tightened staying in the bottom six is a serious lack of ambition for a club who have just been bought over.

We should actually be taking advantage of the situation, not flogging Kamberi for the most minimalist amount and brining nobody else in.

[The 90+2]

Agree, it’s a very different tactic than Romanov’s Hearts. United signing young Scottish players to develop and sell on. Might work, might not but good to see ambition from a club that’s just been promoted.

I would love the same for us. Just once to do the same.

[Heisenberg]

I want our owner to take over the club and have ambition and not just safe hands for the first time in my entire life, yes.

We always have the purse strings tightened for various reasons and are the most patient bunch of fans in football.

“Nobody else will be spending” isnt. A valid comparison though, Dundee Utd and Motherwell have already shown they will. Purse strings tightened staying in the bottom six is a serious lack of ambition for a club who have just been bought over.

Your points about ambition would be fine were we not haemorrhaging money at an alarming rate with no end in sight for the foreseeable future. The pandemic has killed our big plans for the future for the time being, not Ron Gordon.

[madhatter]

Yup agreed.

I'm sure Eddie May and the rest of the guys bring something but ultimately their role is to produce players for the first team and with the exception of Porteous everyone else hasn't been good enough/unlucky with injuries. Problem is too you have a demanding fan base that expects results and if you are giving these guys a shot you aren't going to get consistent results and performances unless they are an exceptional crop such as the golden generation and even that generation were prone to a few shockers.

I'm not sure if replacing the staff in youth development is the right way to go, maybe we have trouble attracting the best youngsters in due to the location of HTC or maybe other reasons but something has to change otherwise it will just continue.

Problem definitely goes deeper than staff. We maybe need to consider our place in football and our ability to develop youth. I don't think attracting youth is a problem. I just think we can't teach them football. Look at Shaw and Murray - both have ability but both looked like kids on the park with adults. They look completely lost most of the time. Neither seemed to improve from one season to the next, that is normally an indicator something is wrong - if you get senior game time and then don't kick on then something isn't right generally. They should've had more game time but they really shouldn't look as lost as they do. Don't know them but they look too timid for me.

[Hibs90]

Fine if it works out, disaster if not. We simply cannot afford to take a gamble like that just now, as evidenced by our statement yesterday. Their owner had their wages to turnover ratio at above 130% and that was excluding Shanklands wage. That’s not spending to sell on in the future.

But they will make money from the Shankland sale, and a potential future Nisbet sale.

[B.H.F.C]

I want our owner to take over the club and have ambition and not just safe hands for the first time in my entire life, yes.

We always have the purse strings tightened for various reasons and are the most patient bunch of fans in football.

“Nobody else will be spending” isnt. A valid comparison though, Dundee Utd and Motherwell have already shown they will. Purse strings tightened staying in the bottom six is a serious lack of ambition for a club who have just been bought over.

We should actually be taking advantage of the situation, not flogging Kamberi for the most minimalist amount and brining nobody else in.

Motherwell haven’t shown they’ll spend. Their manager had already said their squad will be smaller. They’ve lost some players and brought some in, Hibs will do the same.

[Since452]

I'd imagine Nisbet would be a replacement for Shankland and not a strike partner

[CapitalGreen]

I'd imagine Nisbet would be a replacement for Shankland and not a strike partner

Who is buying Shankland?

[Hibeesmad]

Dundee Utd have bid £250k for Nisbet according to reports.

[Lee Marvin]

Its simple. Dundee Utd are living outside of their means.

Anyone moaning that Hibs are not doing the same are essentially advocating what Rangers and Hearts do, yet probably slate them for it every year.

What happens when this American sugar daddy owner gets bored? What if Shankland gets injured? What happens if Nisbet turns out rubbish?

Give me a man like Ron seems to be every day of the week. I would rather know my club will be here year after year.

[HoboHarry]

Any budding young entrepreneur on this site could make a fortune here selling colostomy bags at the end of the window when we (and almost all the others) have spent next to nothing......

[Stuart93]

Its simple. Dundee Utd are living outside of their means.

Anyone moaning that Hibs are not doing the same are essentially advocating what Rangers and Hearts do, yet probably slate them for it every year.

What happens when this American sugar daddy owner gets bored? What if Shankland gets injured? What happens if Nisbet turns out rubbish?

Give me a man like Ron seems to be every day of the week. I would rather know my club will be here year after year.

Might be here year after year but achieving what? Square root of **** all apart from a European place once in a blue moon.

[Robbo6-2]

Lets wait and see what actually happens with Nisbet before we pish the bed.

[Stuart93]

Lets wait and see what actually happens with Nisbet before we pish the bed.

If Dundee Utd are offering 250k for him he’s not coming here

[bingo70]

Its simple. Dundee Utd are living outside of their means.

Anyone moaning that Hibs are not doing the same are essentially advocating what Rangers and Hearts do, yet probably slate them for it every year.

What happens when this American sugar daddy owner gets bored? What if Shankland gets injured? What happens if Nisbet turns out rubbish?

Give me a man like Ron seems to be every day of the week. I would rather know my club will be here year after year.

Completely agree.

There’s a time and a place to speculate to accumulate, given the uncertainty around football and life in general, now isn’t the time imo.

[dchibs]

Speculate to accumulate.

They took a chance on signing Shankland and will be selling him on for a few million. 250k is a small amount for a player you might make a few million for in a few years

As we did with SJM and will make a lot more.

[hibeemikey21]

I listened to a radio interview with the Dundee Utd owner and it made me immediately think “this is all going to end in tears”. He was totally candid in that the reason he bought united and any investment made was solely to make a financial return. No idea how any club owner expects to do that in the modern game, let alone in Scotland.

[Heisenberg]

Might be here year after year but achieving what? Square root of **** all apart from a European place once in a blue moon.

And again, we were about to embark on a series of ambitious plans including investment in the first team going by our January bids for KN. The pandemic has put a delay on this. Not much we can do about that. I assume you were happy enough with our ambition after the AGM?

[Stuart93]

As we did with SJM and will make a lot more.

Yep we did that’s my point.

[Stuart93]

And again, we were about to embark on a series of ambitious plans including investment in the first team going by our January bids for KN. The pandemic has put a delay on this. Not much we can do about that. I assume you were happy enough with our ambition after the AGM?

Yep of course I was. Now we find ourselves having to pay off staff & asking players to take pay cuts whilst other teams are signing our targets and seem relatively unphased by this.

If all the funding for these ambitious plans was to be separate to funding for the first team etc how much money have we went through & where’s it all went?

[FilipinoHibs]

We have to budget for our times. We will have projected a budget to June 2021. There is likely to be no match day income till then - no walk ups, no away fans and no other match day sales. There is also likely to be a fall off in season ticket sales - probably at least 2,000 on last season. We have TV money/prize money. Our outgoings are dominated by wages. Ron has rightly said we must prune the wages back to supporting the first team as well as cutting players wages. Do all this and we will minimise our monthly shortfall. Selling some players will help to. But I am sure some money will be diverted from other projects just to keep the club running. These are hard times and every business will be going through the sane decision making process. This is about surviving the worst economic recession since the 1930s great depression.

[SMAXXA]

Agree with that i would include Eddie may in that clear out , you wonder if Ron is using this a little for his own plans . Lots of businesses do it may not be quite as bad as we think looking in .

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Yup I’d agree with that also, for me he would be another that you would think may be at risk. Shame as horrible seeing people lose their jobs.

Take that back I’d no lose sleep over Tom English getting the heeve hoe

[Callum_62]

Il be raging if the matchday experience isn't improved.

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[mcfly]

Regardless what you think about Dundee Utd. They are showing ambition trying to sign Nisbet.

We on the other hand are not.

The redundancies and cut backs even with 8500 season ticket holders is frightening so I’d forget about new signings.

There won’t be any unless some big club buys John McGinn and we get our sell in fee.

[B.H.F.C]

Regardless what you think about Dundee Utd. They are showing ambition trying to sign Nisbet.

We on the other hand are not.

The redundancies and cut backs even with 8500 season ticket holders is frightening so I’d forget about new signings.

There won’t be any unless some big club buys John McGinn and we get our sell in fee.

Keep reading about forgetting new signings and I don’t know if it’s just me, but I don’t see it that way.

We’ve already lost a number of players but we’re going to need to replace them to some extent. Just like we’re making a number of coaches redundant but have a new one coming in.

[Peevemor]

Regardless what you think about Dundee Utd. They are showing ambition trying to sign Nisbet.

We on the other hand are not.

The redundancies and cut backs even with 8500 season ticket holders is frightening so I’d forget about new signings.

There won’t be any unless some big club buys John McGinn and we get our sell in fee.

It's nothing to do with ambition and everything to do with respect for the people whose salaries we're currently negotiating down the way.

Once everybody is sorted out, one way or another, we'll bring in new faces.

[B.H.F.C]

Na every other club will be the same as us we’ve been told. Apart from the ones that are actively bringing in new players and making bids for their targets.

You don’t think other clubs will be affected?

This time next month if we’ve lost more players and not signed anyone, I might start to panic. But at the moment the panic seems to be based on a signing Dundee Utd haven’t actually made and the fact that Motherwell have signed a couple of players to replace a larger number of players who have left (which is what we will do).

[The 90+2]

Your points about ambition would be fine were we not haemorrhaging money at an alarming rate with no end in sight for the foreseeable future. The pandemic has killed our big plans for the future for the time being, not Ron Gordon.

It’s time to come together so my thoughts are irrelevant grand scheme of things. 💚

[Stuart93]

You don’t think other clubs will be affected?

This time next month if we’ve lost more players and not signed anyone, I might start to panic. But at the moment the panic seems to be based on a signing Dundee Utd haven’t actually made and the fact that Motherwell have signed a couple of players to replace a larger number of players who have left (which is what we will do).

Aye you’re probably right mate, think a bit of a knee jerk reaction to this all from me.

***** seeing other teams putting in bids for our targets, not sure how they can sustain that to be honest but that’s the reality for us and a lot of teams just now I guess

[HendoDelivered]

Il be raging if the matchday experience isn't improved.

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That’s the least of anyone worries.

[B.H.F.C]

Aye you’re probably right mate, think a bit of a knee jerk reaction to this all from me.

***** seeing other teams putting in bids for our targets, not sure how they can sustain that to be honest but that’s the reality for us and a lot of teams just now I guess

By the way, I’m generally more negative and think we should be more ambitious in the transfer market.

I just think that the club have handled the last few months well so I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. It’s only a few months that they unveiled the plans at the AGM which pretty much everybody was positive about so I do think the wee is ambition there. The situation were in just pushes that back.

[Stuart93]

By the way, I’m generally more negative and think we should be more ambitious in the transfer market.

I just think that the club have handled the last few months well so I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. It’s only a few months that they unveiled the plans at the AGM which pretty much everybody was positive about so I do think the wee is ambition there. The situation were in just pushes that back.

Think it’s the time to concentrate helping the club as oppose to asking why this is happening like I have been.

Let other clubs do away & concentrate on our own

[Alex Trager]

Il be raging if the matchday experience isn't improved.

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You hoping for some decent pies in the Callum 62 household at half time? ;-)

[Alex Trager]

Think it’s the time to concentrate helping the club as oppose to asking why this is happening like I have been.

Let other clubs do away & concentrate on our own

I’m holding you to that.

[jacomo]

Il be raging if the matchday experience isn't improved.

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My source tells me to expect comfortable sofas instead of plastic seats and your own personal bar and snack cabin located just a few steps away.

[The 90+2]

Surely if every club is seriously weakened in the uk it would be the best time to invest in our club if your our new owner and take advantage of this and build a squad much better than the rest? Get our scouts on the go to get players on the cheap like hull of all teams are trying to do with Kamberi. Not just sit and go it’s happening to everyone else.

Ambition.

[04Sauzee]

Surely if every club is seriously weakened in the uk it would be the best time to invest in our club if your our new owner and take advantage of this and build a squad much better than the rest? Get our scouts on the go to get players on the cheap like hull of all teams are trying to do with Kamberi. Not just sit and go it’s happening to everyone else.

Ambition.

Thought crossed my mind as well, also with teams perhaps not spending on their academies then hoovering up some of the best young talent. Obviously not though. Just as well I don't run football clubs 😅

[PH91]

Surely if every club is seriously weakened in the uk it would be the best time to invest in our club if your our new owner and take advantage of this and build a squad much better than the rest? Get our scouts on the go to get players on the cheap like hull of all teams are trying to do with Kamberi. Not just sit and go it’s happening to everyone else.

Ambition.

We cant start spending on players when staff are getting paid off and being asked to take wage reductions.

In simple terms, if RG was to invest he would first have to put enough in to keep all staff on their current contracts before even thinking of getting new players in. Given the uncertainty right now that would be crazy.

That's not to say we wont bring anyone in but I read the message today as transfer activity will be limited.

[Unseen work]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/hibs-face-selling-top-stars-22203431

Not a good read in the slightest

[MWHIBBIES]

Speculate to accumulate.

They took a chance on signing Shankland and will be selling him on for a few million. 250k is a small amount for a player you might make a few million for in a few years

Who is signing Shankland for a few million?

[Callum_62]

My source tells me to expect comfortable sofas instead of plastic seats and your own personal bar and snack cabin located just a few steps away.[emoji7]

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[Greencore]

Who is signing Shankland for a few million?

His goal scoring rate is impressive, there will be English clubs sniffing about and with the money in England that's getting thrown about, it wouldn't be unfair to say he would leave for a million +

[MWHIBBIES]

His goal scoring rate is impressive, there will be English clubs sniffing about and with the money in England that's getting thrown about, it wouldn't be unfair to say he would leave for a million +

If they watch the guy and don't judge on his stats they'll know he offers literally zero when not scoring and when he isn't against poor players, that won't be so easy. Would be lucky to get 10 goals in a full championship season in England.

[Greencore]

If they watch the guy and don't judge on his stats they'll know he offers literally zero when not scoring and when he isn't against poor players, that won't be so easy. Would be lucky to get 10 goals in a full championship season in England.

Some teams down south just throw money at anyone with potential. Certainly will be interesting to see how his career pans out.

[Michael]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/hibs-face-selling-top-stars-22203431

Not a good read in the slightest

Wow, things seem much worse for us then I was expecting. If we lost guys like Doidge, Allan, Boyle then we wouldn't have much quality left at all.

[CapitalGreen]

Some teams down south just throw money at anyone with potential. Certainly will be interesting to see how his career pans out.

Maybe pre-March 2020 but most lower league English clubs will be in a similar predicament to us and won’t be taking million pound punts on players for the foreseeable.

[hfc rd]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/hibs-face-selling-top-stars-22203431

Not a good read in the slightest

That’s very much grim reading. Didn’t know the situation was that bad if true.

[Unseen work]

Could it maybe just be a very good reason to get some of our higher earners wages down and therefore bring in some players/ ones we wouldn’t have been able to before.

I know it’s clutching at straws but if we can save a couple of hundred/thousand per month from players taking cuts in their wages then it will give us a chance to then sign guys like Gogic etc.

The issue is the potential backlash if guys like Boyle, Allan, Doidge etc accepted reduced terms to the see it was only to make way for other signings to come in.

Punt Kamberi and sign Nisbet with the same money and then his wages are covered by Flo going and probably even same some.

We may be totally skint but I can’t see Gordon and Dempster allowing that to happen especially as it seemed we had a lot in the bank only back in February. If we were that skint surely we would have cut wages completely in April instead of a deferral?

[HendoDelivered]

That’s very much grim reading. Didn’t know the situation was that bad if true.

I’m very worried just now. If we lose the likes of Allan, Boyle, Rocky, Doidge, Porto etc we are ****ed.

[MWHIBBIES]

Could it maybe just be a very good reason to get some of our higher earners wages down and therefore bring in some players/ ones we wouldn’t have been able to before.

I know it’s clutching at straws but if we can save a couple of hundred/thousand per month from players taking cuts in their wages then it will give us a chance to then sign guys like Gogic etc.

The issue is the potential backlash if guys like Boyle, Allan, Doidge etc accepted reduced terms to the see it was only to make way for other signings to come in.

Punt Kamberi and sign Nisbet with the same money and then his wages are covered by Flo going and probably even same some.

We may be totally skint but I can’t see Gordon and Dempster allowing that to happen especially as it seemed we had a lot in the bank only back in February. If we were that skint surely we would have cut wages completely in April instead of a deferral?
That would be an absolute ****bag thing to do. If the club actually done that I'd want the board and owner gone. You don't cut wages down because you fancy bringing in some new players.

[04Sauzee]

Talking about Gogic i seen the attached on twitter, and I don't know if it's been photshoped? As Hibs don't seem to be following him now. Does seem strange that the media were saying we were offering him a trial and now we are having some kind of mutiny and fire sale

[madhatter]

Don’t panic! I feel like Lance Corporal Jones...we need to remain calm and together on this. I hope club and HibsSupporters get a grip on this before clear initiative is lost. Can already see impact these “news” articles are having on people. We have a potential to keep a continuous wave of donations going but it requires collective resilience and clear information...

Allow me a hyperbole but essentially we’ve had club tell us things will be quite tight and we need to make cutbacks to focus on first team operations...and media have ran with that story and in the space of two days I’m starting to feel like Ragnarok is around the corner.

I know club are in tricky position as need to maintain a level of attractiveness in a murky situation so communications need to be carefully considered. Need to stay positive and await further information which will hopefully come soon...stick together.

[hfc rd]

Could it maybe just be a very good reason to get some of our higher earners wages down and therefore bring in some players/ ones we wouldn’t have been able to before.

I know it’s clutching at straws but if we can save a couple of hundred/thousand per month from players taking cuts in their wages then it will give us a chance to then sign guys like Gogic etc.

The issue is the potential backlash if guys like Boyle, Allan, Doidge etc accepted reduced terms to the see it was only to make way for other signings to come in.

Punt Kamberi and sign Nisbet with the same money and then his wages are covered by Flo going and probably even same some.

We may be totally skint but I can’t see Gordon and Dempster allowing that to happen especially as it seemed we had a lot in the bank only back in February. If we were that skint surely we would have cut wages completely in April instead of a deferral?

That’s just going to open up a whole new can of worms. I can’t see the club telling players to take wage cuts in order to help purchase new players. It seems like a right ****ish thing to do and I won’t blame any of our players if they refused to take wage cuts for that.

Surely the wage cuts are to make up for some of the cash that we are going to lose next season in regards to matchday revenue and hospitality.

[davhibby]

That would be an absolute ****bag thing to do. If the club actually done that I'd want the board and owner gone. You don't cut wages down because you fancy bringing in some new players.

Hate to break it to you but it seems to me that it’s almost certain that’s exactly what we’re doing

[matty_f]

That would be an absolute ****bag thing to do. If the club actually done that I'd want the board and owner gone. You don't cut wages down because you fancy bringing in some new players.
I think there needs to be some pragmatism with it. For instance if we lose our sell players, in order to play next session we need to replace them.
I think the key thing is that it signings would need to be on that basis and any new signing would have their salary capped at the same level as the players who took a cut.

That seems reasonable to me.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hate to break it to you but it seems to me that it’s almost certain that’s exactly what we’re doing

To me it seems like we're desperately trying to cut costs. I don't think we're screwing over our current squad to sign new players.

[Brightside]

We aren’t screening over anyone. Figures are clear we have to cut costs. Sell the higher earners bring in cheaper players. It’s happening in every industry right now.

[The Modfather]

To me it seems like we're desperately trying to cut costs. I don't think we're screwing over our current squad to sign new players.

We’ll need to sign players. We’re weaker now than the team that finished the season nip and tick to make the top 6. I’d imagine the players will also be aware that we’re weaker and without signings their bonuses and money from where we finish in the league will also be impacted.

Without any signings I think we’ll be competing to make the top 6 at best, not far off getting dragged into a playoff battle at worse with the current midfield.

[Hibeesmad]

We’ll need to sign players. We’re weaker now than the team that finished the season nip and tick to make the top 6 or not. I’d imagine the players will also be aware that we’re weaker and without signings their bonuses and money from where we finish in the league will also be impacted.

Without any signings I think we’ll be competing to make the top 6 at best, not far off getting dragged into a playoff battle at worse with the curet midfield.

I agree, the squad is slim following the departures of Bogdan, Naismith, Whittaker, Slivka, Omeonga, Docherty and McNulty. You can probably add Kamberi to that list before the beginning of the season.

Just like any other team we are prone to injuries throughout the season. Any sale to one of our best assets will probably be put into the signing of two players rather than a like for like replacement.

[Hibeesmad]

Jonny Hayes close to joining Aberdeen on a 2 year deal apparently.

[sean04]

Jonny Hayes close to joining Aberdeen on a 2 year deal apparently.

Other teams getting stronger

[Aldo]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/hibs-face-selling-top-stars-22203431

Not a good read in the slightest

It’s not but it’s the DR FFS.

Players backed into the corner blah blah blah.

Was it not the players who initially went to the club and offered to take pay cuts. The club refused but said it would defer instead.

Did the DR print how professional and respectful this was NO. They look at every angle and twist it to suit.

I have no doubt in my mind that this is serious but not as serious as the DR is making out.

We are a business and will have to cut our cloth accordingly.

I really don’t give a **** about any other club and who they are signing. We get our house in order and ensure our long term future is secured. This is what RG is doing.

Tough times ahead but when we get through all this we can look back at how well things were handled etc!


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[Hibeesmad]

Other teams getting stronger

Killie signed Aaron McGowan from Hamilton the other day, don't know much about him but a sign of activity from our competitors.

[JimBHibees]

It’s not but it’s the DR FFS.

Players backed into the corner blah blah blah.

Was it not the players who initially went to the club and offered to take pay cuts. The club refused but said it would defer instead.

Did the DR print how professional and respectful this was NO. They look at every angle and twist it to suit.

I have no doubt in my mind that this is serious but not as serious as the DR is making out.

We are a business and will have to cut our cloth accordingly.

I really don’t give a **** about any other club and who they are signing. We get our house in order and ensure our long term future is secured. This is what RG is doing.

Tough times ahead but when we get through all this we can look back at how well things were handled etc!


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Agree it no doubt is serious but seems like we are dealing with it. When the DR do a similar forensic critique of Rangers finances then I will start to give credibility to anything they say.

[Aldo]

Agree it no doubt is serious but seems like we are dealing with it. When the DR do a similar forensic critique of Rangers finances then I will start to give credibility to anything they say.

There’s no other thing to do but deal with it yet the DR is portraying in a bad light.

Get that mob at the DR tae **** and ban them from ER


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[SHODAN]

Jonny Hayes close to joining Aberdeen on a 2 year deal apparently.

Guess they don't need to cut costs?

[B.H.F.C]

Guess they don't need to cut costs?

Given Cormack spoke about their revenues dropping by as much as £9m, I’d guess they will.

Maybe they’ve already done it without making it public. Or maybe their owner is putting his hand in his pocket.

[Springbank]

Guess they don't need to cut costs?

They will not be anywhere near being relegated next season

Their owner will make sure of that

Ours?

[18Craig75]

Given Cormack spoke about their revenues dropping by as much as £9m, I’d guess they will.

Maybe they’ve already done it without making it public. Or maybe their owner is putting his hand in his pocket.

Not to stir the pot....Im sure Cormack and other Aberdeen directors put in a sizeable cash injection right at the start of lockdown.

[Keith_M]

Some people are getting quite wound up on pure speculation. It seems like some of it is also based on a personal dislike of our current owner.

The only 'facts' we have is that the club is having to make savings to help it survive an unprecedented crisis, not of it's own making, that will also be affecting other clubs.

If they approach players and ask if there's anything they can do to help out financially, then that's hardly a surprise.

I would be amazed as well if none of the players was unhappy at being asked to take a pay cut, but so what? Everybody has a different take on things, especially if it's going to hit them in the pocket. As long as it's a 'request' only, and it's made known that this is voluntary, then I don't see the problem.

Also, our current owner has already put money into the club (we currently have no debt, as opposed to when he took over), so to say he's not wiling to put his hand in his pocket is just not true. Could he put more in? Possibly, but it's surely up to him where he draws the line.


Things could be a lot worse. Some clubs are having to play in The Championship next season.

[CapitalGreen]

That would be an absolute ****bag thing to do. If the club actually done that I'd want the board and owner gone. You don't cut wages down because you fancy bringing in some new players.

We did it in the summer of 2014 to bring in Gray, Allan, Fontaine, El Alagui and Malonga

[CapitalGreen]

Other teams getting stronger

Aberdeen are probably going to have to sell McKenna and Ferguson.

[J-C]

Surely if every club is seriously weakened in the uk it would be the best time to invest in our club if your our new owner and take advantage of this and build a squad much better than the rest? Get our scouts on the go to get players on the cheap like hull of all teams are trying to do with Kamberi. Not just sit and go it’s happening to everyone else.

Ambition.


We told players no one would be brought in until players are all back on full wages( or a percentage thereof ). I also think we're maybe waiting on a decent bid for Kamberi, enough to to then make a move for Nisbet and also we're still not sure what's happening with Boyle and there is a potential windfall if McGinn gets sold.
At the moment we have to cut our cloth accordingly until such time as other players deals have been sorted out.

[bigwheel]

We told players no one would be brought in until players are all back on full wages( or a percentage thereof ). I also think we're maybe waiting on a decent bid for Kamberi, enough to to then make a move for Nisbet and also we're still not sure what's happening with Boyle and there is a potential windfall if McGinn gets sold.
At the moment we have to cut our cloth accordingly until such time as other players deals have been sorted out.

I’m assuming Kamberi could be about to walk away for free . If he refuses to drop his wages, I can only assume a route to “redundancy”, or cheap sale, will be the only option Hibs have (unless they keep him on full salary)..any player who wants out, could use this to get free of his contract ..

[J-C]

I’m assuming Kamberi could be about to walk away for free . If he refuses to drop his wages, I can only assume a route to “redundancy”, or cheap sale, will be the only option Hibs have (unless they keep him on full salary)..any player who wants out, could use this to get free of his contract ..

It also depends on how much they're being asked to drop wage wise, 20% might not be such a big deal for players on £2-3k but if its nearer 50%, then that's a different matter.

[CapitalGreen]

It also depends on how much they're being asked to drop wage wise, 20% might not be such a big deal for players on £2-3k but if its nearer 50%, then that's a different matter.

Nobody is being asked to take pay cuts near to 50%.

[J-C]

Nobody is being asked to take pay cuts near to 50%.

I never said they were, my post was hypothetical, we dont know what has been suggested.

[MacGruber]

Dundee Utd apparently bid again for Nisbet

[MacGruber]

I’m assuming Kamberi could be about to walk away for free . If he refuses to drop his wages, I can only assume a route to “redundancy”, or cheap sale, will be the only option Hibs have (unless they keep him on full salary)..any player who wants out, could use this to get free of his contract ..

Don't think this will be the case.

Refuse the cuts, same contract, can't walk away.

Accept revised contract, sign it can't walk away.

IMO

[bigwheel]

It also depends on how much they're being asked to drop wage wise, 20% might not be such a big deal for players on £2-3k but if its nearer 50%, then that's a different matter.

Don’t think the amount matters, if a player has a chance of a move , then any contract change request could trigger them walking away for free

[bigwheel]

Don't think this will be the case.

Refuse the cuts, same contract, can't walk away.

Accept revised contract, sign it can't walk away.

IMO

Yes, but would it be fair if players say No, and others agree ...Why not just say No? Hibs will have to push it through ...

[Ozyhibby]

Yes, but would it be fair if players say No, and others agree ...Why not just say No? Hibs will have to push it through ...

This is where Gray and McGregor have to earn their crust and get the players to agree as one for the good of the club. They were given those contracts so that they could influence the dressing room so now is the time to show it was worthwhile.


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[bigwheel]

This is where Gray and McGregor have to earn their crust and get the players to agree as one for the good of the club. They were given those contracts so that they could influence the dressing room so now is the time to show it was worthwhile.


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Yeah. Certainly have an important role

[Stuart93]

If we’re having to sell off our best players and bring in players who probably aren’t as good on less wages and potentially signed for free, I think it’s relegation we’re going to have to be worrying about not making top 6 & certainly not competing for Europe.

Where’s the incentive to buy a ST now?

****ing dire situation and can’t quite believe we seem to be the only club who’s in as bad a mess as this.

All whilst other teams look to be strengthening. I don’t really understand the argument that all clubs will be the same just now either when they’re signing players.

[madhatter]

If we’re having to sell off our best players and bring in players who probably aren’t as good on less wages and potentially signed for free, I think it’s relegation we’re going to have to be worrying about not making top 6 & certainly not competing for Europe.

Where’s the incentive to buy a ST now?

****ing dire situation and can’t quite believe we seem to be the only club who’s in as bad a mess as this.

All whilst other teams look to be strengthening. I don’t really understand the argument that all clubs will be the same just now either when they’re signing players.

Motherwell had almost half our playing wage bill but still did OK last season. Positives that could come out of this - we get to see what Ron Gordon is actually made of and we maybe re-think what we are paying the players. Dont know conditions on contracts etc. but if a team paying their players quite a bit less outperforms you then you need to question why you are paying your players the amount you do? Quality on paper?


Based on how small our squad has been for a couple of years now I suspect this shows what the players are getting from the club - a lot. Maybe not but looks like it on the face of it.

[Jones28]

Hate to break it to you but it seems to me that it’s almost certain that’s exactly what we’re doing

Didn’t the club say that new players would not be coming in while wages were deferred?

[Jones28]

If we’re having to sell off our best players and bring in players who probably aren’t as good on less wages and potentially signed for free, I think it’s relegation we’re going to have to be worrying about not making top 6 & certainly not competing for Europe.

Where’s the incentive to buy a ST now?

****ing dire situation and can’t quite believe we seem to be the only club who’s in as bad a mess as this.

All whilst other teams look to be strengthening. I don’t really understand the argument that all clubs will be the same just now either when they’re signing players.

The incentive is all in what the club are saying. Our expenses are X, our income no longer covers our costs, we need your support now more than ever.

What more persuasion do people need?

[J-C]

If we’re having to sell off our best players and bring in players who probably aren’t as good on less wages and potentially signed for free, I think it’s relegation we’re going to have to be worrying about not making top 6 & certainly not competing for Europe.

Where’s the incentive to buy a ST now?

****ing dire situation and can’t quite believe we seem to be the only club who’s in as bad a mess as this.

All whilst other teams look to be strengthening. I don’t really understand the argument that all clubs will be the same just now either when they’re signing players.

And these best players have done what so far? If they're the best we can get we're still going to be rubbish as they've not produced it so far. Maybe time to bring in players on slightly lower wages willing to give their all for the club, less of the Kamberi's, Vela's etc. Motherwell and Killie seem to do this.

[Stuart93]

And these best players have done what so far? If they're the best we can get we're still going to be rubbish as they've not produced it so far. Maybe time to bring in players on slightly lower wages willing to give their all for the club, less of the Kamberi's, Vela's etc. Motherwell and Killie seem to do this.

I would say players like Boyle and Marciano would be a massive miss no? I wasn’t talking about the players we signed last summer

[The Count]

At the moment all aspects of life are about surviving.Therefore if Hibs have to sell players and play young laddies mixed with seasoned pros to survive we have to accept it.We come out the other end then push forward.Its about Hibs surviving as unaffected as possible.

[Ozyhibby]

And these best players have done what so far? If they're the best we can get we're still going to be rubbish as they've not produced it so far. Maybe time to bring in players on slightly lower wages willing to give their all for the club, less of the Kamberi's, Vela's etc. Motherwell and Killie seem to do this.

Agree. The players have not been performing to a level we are spending on them and the academy has produced the square root of heehaw for years. It’s time to re think things a little.


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[madhatter]

I would say players like Boyle and Marciano would be a massive miss no? I wasn’t talking about the players we signed last summer

Boyle and Marciano played quite a few games last season and we ended on 37 points after 30 games. Not great. That doesn't mean we should just let them walk away for nothing but we are clearly paying players a lot of money and that needs to be sorted for the club to survive.

How do we retain services of highest earning players while not decimating the club? Wage cuts or player leaves. Can't think of anything else personally.

[Jones28]

Agree. The players have not been performing to a level we are spending on them and the academy has produced the square root of heehaw for years. It’s time to re think things a little.


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Yepp.

It could be a positive in a way. We rethink our model, strip back the first time and throw some of the youngsters into the fray. Other sides in the league seem to be much more prolific bringing kids through at the moment.

[Greenworld]

If Dundee Utd are offering 250k for him he’s not coming hereTwo things If? And does he want to go there?
Clubs can bid all they want the player needs to want to go. Dundee united looked bang average last season yes the won the league but they are not a good team.

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[HendoDelivered]

Dundee Utd apparently bid again for Nisbet

They’re being heavily backed by an American consortium. Shanks and Nisbet could be some front two for them.

[Smartie]

If we’re having to sell off our best players and bring in players who probably aren’t as good on less wages and potentially signed for free, I think it’s relegation we’re going to have to be worrying about not making top 6 & certainly not competing for Europe.

Where’s the incentive to buy a ST now?

****ing dire situation and can’t quite believe we seem to be the only club who’s in as bad a mess as this.

All whilst other teams look to be strengthening. I don’t really understand the argument that all clubs will be the same just now either when they’re signing players.

Whilst I'm keen not to get too downbeat until this has all played through, I share some of your concerns.

There's no doubt we're paying for our mistakes in the transfer market, arguably since Stubbs left.

Those mistakes have left us in an unenviable position to face a crisis like this in - we have too many players still under contract who haven't given us what we'd have expected. Not too many outright flops (that haven't already been shifted) but a few too many who haven't quite hit the heights expected of being our biggest investments.

Hibs will have rocked a few comfort zones. I'm not dead against that but it comes with a downside and might blow up in our faces.

If I were still a betting man, I'd be betting on Hibs making a pig's ear of the summer again, to have a poor start to the season but for us to actually have a decent January and finish in a fairly comfortable 7th or 8th as we patch our team up with some solid loan signings.

Doesn't really inspire season ticket sales though.

[Stuart93]

Boyle and Marciano played quite a few games last season and we ended on 37 points after 30 games. Not great. That doesn't mean we should just let them walk away for nothing but we are clearly paying players a lot of money and that needs to be sorted for the club to survive.

How do we retain services of highest earning players while not decimating the club? Wage cuts or player leaves. Can't think of anything else personally.

Boyle missed most of the season because of injury

Well how do other teams retain their highest earning players then? If we were in as good a financial position as we’d ever been only a year ago what the ****s happened in a year?

Why are other teams like Aberdeen not having to sell their top earners? Why’s it only us?

[Stuart93]

Whilst I'm keen not to get too downbeat until this has all played through, I share some of your concerns.

There's no doubt we're paying for our mistakes in the transfer market, arguably since Stubbs left.

Those mistakes have left us in an unenviable position to face a crisis like this in - we have too many players still under contract who haven't given us what we'd have expected. Not too many outright flops (that haven't already been shifted) but a few too many who haven't quite hit the heights expected of being our biggest investments.

Hibs will have rocked a few comfort zones. I'm not dead against that but it comes with a downside and might blow up in our faces.

If I were still a betting man, I'd be betting on Hibs making a pig's ear of the summer again, to have a poor start to the season but for us to actually have a decent January and finish in a fairly comfortable 7th or 8th as we patch our team up with some solid loan signings.

Doesn't really inspire season ticket sales though.

Yep your last sentence sums it all up. We’re already struggling as it is and that’s after record ST sales last season. A couple more mediocre, or potentially worse, seasons and they season ticket sales will dry up.

[bigwheel]

We are certainly in some real financial challenges. You’ve got to assume most other clubs, unless their owners are providing financial support, will be in equal or more challenging place...could be a chance for Dundee United to push for top three/ four finish ...

I’d have preferred some level of loans from Gordon, paid off over a decent length of time to keep us fully
Competitive during this time..but that’s a fans view and clearly not the model the club are going for .. so we will have a bumpy ride through it ..HSL could have a major role to play if they get the connection right ..

[Stuart93]

We are certainly in some real financial challenges. You’ve got to assume most other clubs, unless their owners are providing financial support, will be in equal or more challenging place...could be a chance for Dundee United to push for top three/ four finish ...

I’d have preferred some level of loans from Gordon, paid off over a decent length of time to keep us fully
Competitive during this time..but that’s a fans view and clearly not the model the club are going for .. so we will have a bumpy ride through it ..HSL could have a major role to play if they get the connection right ..

As I’ve said in my post above though incomes going to get even worse when current ST holders become bored of being mediocre again & it goes against everything we’ve been promised.

As usual it seems as though the fans will be let down after sticking by the club, again.

[Peevemor]

Boyle missed most of the season because of injury

Well how do other teams retain their highest earning players then? If we were in as good a financial position as we’d ever been only a year ago what the ****s happened in a year?

Why are other teams like Aberdeen not having to sell their top earners? Why’s it only us?

Who says we have to sell anyone?

[Stuart93]

Who says we have to sell anyone?

My post was in response to a poster talking about selling our top earners if they don’t take the pay cut

[Andy74]

As I’ve said in my post above though incomes going to get even worse when current ST holders become bored of being mediocre again & it goes against everything we’ve been promised.

As usual it seems as though the fans will be let down after sticking by the club, again.

I’d be hard pushed to be able to blame the club for this one.

[bigwheel]

As I’ve said in my post above though incomes going to get even worse when current ST holders become bored of being mediocre again & it goes against everything we’ve been promised.

As usual it seems as though the fans will be let down after sticking by the club, again.

Why do you see cutting costs in response to a global pandemic and economic crisis as letting the fans down?

[Stuart93]

I’d be hard pushed to be able to blame the club for this one.

I’m not blaming the club at all but feel that RG could be injecting much needed funds into the club to see us get by this difficult patch as opposed to having to let people go.

[Stuart93]

Why do you see cutting costs in response to a global pandemic and economic crisis as letting the fans down?

How are other clubs in the position to strengthen their teams for next season and we aren’t? We’re all going through the same pandemic and economic crisis. Why is this hitting us harder than them??

[B.H.F.C]

Boyle missed most of the season because of injury

Well how do other teams retain their highest earning players then? If we were in as good a financial position as we’d ever been only a year ago what the ****s happened in a year?

Why are other teams like Aberdeen not having to sell their top earners? Why’s it only us?

Boyle only missed the first ten league games.

I think you need to calm down to a panic. If the season starts and we’ve sold Boyle, Doidge and Allan and not replaced them with anybody, then I’ll be pretty wound up myself. But let’s see how things pan out for us (and others) between now and then. Motherwell, for example, have lost their number one goalie and replaced him with Scott Fox who just got relegated with Partick yet they are deemed to be doing really well by many.

[bigwheel]

I’m not blaming the club at all but feel that RG could be injecting much needed funds into the club to see us get by this difficult patch as opposed to having to let people go.

He could do ..would probably be my preference too ..but it wouldn’t be free - would simply be taking on debt ..so has downsides too .

I suspect they think most teams will be weakened, so we will try to ride it out for a year or two . They have to look after the long term health of the club, not just the next year ...

[bigwheel]

How are other clubs in the position to strengthen their teams for next season and we aren’t? We’re all going through the same pandemic and economic crisis. Why is this hitting us harder than them??

They have a lower cost base ? They’ve not faced up to all their cost cutting yet ? Some getting support from their owners? Many reasons ..perhaps we are just facing into the crisis in a more mature way than the others are ? Maybe they are getting their strategy wrong ? And of course ? Maybe we are being more risk adverse than we should be ?

Time will tell

[Up The Bracket]

Aye it’s a bit ***** to see a newly promoted club chucking £250k at your January target whilst we’re having to pay people off.

A right kick in the teeth for fans as well.

Also raises serious questions about the difference between Dundee Utd’s newish owner & our new owner.

I was totally shot down for complaints like this in the club update thread, worrying times ahead....

[Stuart93]

They have a lower cost base ? They’ve not faced up to all their cost cutting yet ? Some getting support from their owners? Many reasons ..perhaps we are just facing into the crisis in a more mature way than the others are ? Maybe they are getting their strategy wrong ?

if we turn out to be the only team doing this correctly whilst the other clubs who’re strengthening for next season are doing it wrong I’ll be very surprised

[bigwheel]

if we turn out to be the only team doing this correctly whilst the other clubs who’re strengthening for next season are doing it wrong I’ll be very surprised

Yeah. I updated that post to include the option that we are getting it wrong too ...

I can understand your concern. The club will too . It’s frustrating . Hopefully they can communicate more clearly the rationale and how the fans can support in any way we can ...

[B.H.F.C]

if we turn out to be the only team doing this correctly whilst the other clubs who’re strengthening for next season are doing it wrong I’ll be very surprised

Who has strengthened their squad?

[Stuart93]

Yeah. I updated that post to include the option that we are getting it wrong too ...

I can understand your concern. The club will too . It’s frustrating . Hopefully they can communicate more clearly the rationale and how the fans can support in any way we can ...

I think that’s a lot to do with it. The statement released the other day was so open ended they were inviting the media to jump on it.

[Peevemor]

if we turn out to be the only team doing this correctly whilst the other clubs who’re strengthening for next season are doing it wrong I’ll be very surprised

We won't be the only ones. The majority of clubs will end up doing the same thing.

[davhibby]

if we turn out to be the only team doing this correctly whilst the other clubs who’re strengthening for next season are doing it wrong I’ll be very surprised

You keep going on about other teams strengthening, until about 2 days ago the same papers that are saying we’re in financial peril and are selling everyone off had us linked in the same way as united are being linked with multiple players. Clearly we’re in a serious situation but so will everyone, I’d say us and Aberdeen will be missing out the most in the top flight due to our crowd size compared to most teams. I think people need to take a step back and calm down for a bit.

Also somebody mentioned Kilmarnock were bringing players in but they need to, they got rid of something like 17 players from last season

[bigwheel]

You keep going on about other teams strengthening, until about 2 days ago the same papers that are saying we’re in financial peril and are selling everyone off had us linked in the same way as united are being linked with multiple players. Clearly we’re in a serious situation but so will everyone, I’d say us and Aberdeen will be missing out the most in the top flight due to our crowd size compared to most teams. I think people need to take a step back and calm down for a bit.

Also somebody mentioned Kilmarnock were bringing players in but they need to, they got rid of something like 17 players from last season

I think it’s fair that some fans are unsettled. I can understand some concern . It’s unclear what sort of squad we will have when we restart, and not that motivating if clubs like United are beating us to targets....

It’s an uncertain time..could be a rough ride for a while.


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[BlackSheep]

This is just the usual panic from fans during the off season... come august when we restart most naysayers will have changed their minds and we will have good support rom the majority of the fans, the rest are the usual negative nellies who complain no matter what the club does.

In my opinion next season is a write off and a great opportunity to bring through youth and lay the foundations for the next generation.

Let's stay positive, it could be worse.... we could be playing in the championship and wasting time and money on a lawsuit!

[HFC93]

A few w of the folk complaining about Dundee Utd spending should take a look at their finances https://bit.ly/3hIj2Iv
According to figures published last year, they had a wages to turnover ration at 133%. Higher than Rangers. Scottish football history tells you this won't end well.

[Stuart93]

This is just the usual panic from fans during the off season... come august when we restart most naysayers will have changed their minds and we will have good support rom the majority of the fans, the rest are the usual negative nellies who complain no matter what the club does.

In my opinion next season is a write off and a great opportunity to bring through youth and lay the foundations for the next generation.

Let's stay positive, it could be worse.... we could be playing in the championship and wasting time and money on a lawsuit!

How can you compare this to the usual panic?

Have you completely missed hibs’ statement? This is about as unusual as it gets for us.

Next season already a write off when people have already forked out £400+ for season tickets. There’s the issue.

[heid the baw]

There are going to be a lot of players leaving clubs and taking serious wage cuts during the next few months. I don't think you can justify buying new players until you sort out the situation with the existing staff.
This story is being given legs due to the notion that Rangers will be able to low ball for Kamberi. No one is reporting what is going on at Aberdeen, killie, St Johnsone ect but you can guarantee that they are in the same boat.
I think the club has to settle the current wage issue then wait and see how things look in the coming months.

[Lago]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/hibs-face-selling-top-stars-22203431

Not a good read in the slightest
So all in the space of a few months, we've gone from Ron's up lifting vision of the future to a financial disaster. If true something is just not right at ER.

[SquashedFrogg]

How can you compare this to the usual panic?

Have you completely missed hibs’ statement? This is about as unusual as it gets for us.

Next season already a write off when people have already forked out £400+ for season tickets. There’s the issue.

Why is next season a write off?

[Stuart93]

Why is next season a write off?

The poster I was replying to said that, not me

[.Sean.]

So all in the space of a few months, we've gone from Ron's up lifting vision of the future to a financial disaster. If true something is just not right at ER.
Yep, also finding it weird how we’re going from cash in the bank and money set aside for novelty stuff like a new sound system and a big screen to this.

[matty_f]

A few w of the folk complaining about Dundee Utd spending should take a look at their finances https://bit.ly/3hIj2Iv
According to figures published last year, they had a wages to turnover ration at 133%. Higher than Rangers. Scottish football history tells you this won't end well.

In a radio interview with their owner a while back, he said that he was prepared to invest to get promoted and build a team for the top flight, but t then said he wouldn't keep making loss after loss and like any business he'd drop them like he would any other business.

They're significantly overstretched at the moment, it'll go one of two ways for them.

[SquashedFrogg]

The poster I was replying to said that, not me

Apologies. I thought you were agreeing with him that the season was a write off.

[davhibby]

I think it’s fair that some fans are unsettled. I can understand some concern . It’s unclear what sort of squad we will have when we restart, and not that motivating if clubs like United are beating us to targets....

It’s an uncertain time..could be a rough ride for a while.


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I can understand that folk will be concerned, I’m just saying that we should maybe let things settle and see what actually happens not just at hibs but at the other clubs instead of deciding that we’re getting relegated next season already

[davhibby]

In a radio interview with their owner a while back, he said that he was prepared to invest to get promoted and build a team for the top flight, but t then said he wouldn't keep making loss after loss and like any business he'd drop them like he would any other business.

They're significantly overstretched at the moment, it'll go one of two ways for them.

Yeah they were clearly going for it to get promoted, wouldn’t be surprised to see Shankland go this summer

[Stuart93]

Apologies. I thought you were agreeing with him that the season was a write off.

Not at all. The opposite, try telling 8.5k of us that next seasons a write off. Certainly hope it’s not

[Peevemor]

How can you compare this to the usual panic?

Have you completely missed hibs’ statement? This is about as unusual as it gets for us.

Next season already a write off when people have already forked out £400+ for season tickets. There’s the issue.

A write-off? Do you know something we don't?

Can you maybe calm down a wee bit instead of panicking all over the board - it's getting a wee bit too much.

Hibs are asking players to agree a reduction in wages. None of them have left or been sold yet.

Wait and see what other clubs do (and not just 1 or 2). Please.

[ScottB]

This was never going to be a normal transfer window. If there are club’s whose owners are willing to burn up money to take advantage of that, then I’m sure they’ll do well out of it. Perhaps that’s the case for Dundee United, if their guy has decided the losses are worth it to build a squad that will stay up, that’s his call to make.

For us, our budget has been whacked with a massive stick. Few of our top earners are out of contract. Ron could decide to put money in and run at a bigger loss, or he could decide he doesn’t fancy doing that. I’m not sure either is a right or a wrong answer, but given our recent history, it seems probable we’ll take the financially less risky route.

[truehibernian]

So all in the space of a few months, we've gone from Ron's up lifting vision of the future to a financial disaster. If true something is just not right at ER.

Wouldn't believe the spin being put on it. Hibs are doing what every other business, in every other industry are doing, and planning a financial future out of the pandemic so the club survives as intact as it can.

Players need to look at the economic landscape, not just in football, but in life around them - hotels shutting, companies going into receivership, some recognised businesses announcing job losses in the hundreds and thousands. It's real world stuff, economies of scale, supply and demand, all under restrictions due to a world health crisis.

Not like the Scottish media to over react, over state, and single out a club is it :cb

I dare say the Daily Record and other media outlets will be making redundancies due to this awful crisis - will they be quick to print that ?

EPL clubs are suffering badly and that's despite the windfall of money they get from sponsors and media. Sprinkle some perspective on things and Hibs are doing what every single football club are doing right now, and that is trying to carefully and sensitively manage their way through the crisis with as little damage as is possible.

Stubbs was left with 7 players when he came in (or there abouts). He rebuilt the squad. Yes, with resources, but circumstances may come to pass that we, and other clubs, have to rebuild and do so in a financially responsible way. Could mean more youth being signed or getting opportunities, who knows. Whatever happens, I'm very confident we will have a competitive team on the pitch - and if players choose to leave, refuse to accept cuts, then fair play, it's going to be a very very difficult market out there to find clubs that can afford them.

Other than 3 or 4 players, I can't see many clubs battering the door down to sign any others to be brutally frank. We are not a side currently awash with 'stars'.

[Stuart93]

A write-off? Do you know something we don't?

Can you maybe calm down a wee bit instead of panicking all over the board - it's getting a wee bit too much.

Hibs are asking players to agree a reduction in wages. None of them have left or been sold yet.

Wait and see what other clubs do (and not just 1 or 2). Please.

****sake, read the post I was replying to. I’ve not said next seasons a write off

People have the right to raise questions about this.

[Tug Wilson]

There are going to be a lot of players leaving clubs and taking serious wage cuts during the next few months. I don't think you can justify buying new players until you sort out the situation with the existing staff.
This story is being given legs due to the notion that Rangers will be able to low ball for Kamberi. No one is reporting what is going on at Aberdeen, killie, St Johnsone ect but you can guarantee that they are in the same boat.
I think the club has to settle the current wage issue then wait and see how things look in the coming months.

Good post.

The clubs like Killie and Motherwell who have brought in new players had to as they had lost a lot of their squad once last season ended.

Lots out, a few in.

How anyone can equate that to strengthening their squads is hard to see.

Our position is that we have a reasonably large number of contracted players so this does negatively affect our ability to bring in fresh faces right now.

There are a few weeks to go before the season starts and who knows when the transfer window will end. With the reconstruction argument out of the way, expect to see lots of media articles looking to stir up doom and gloom stories. It sells papers.

So I think that a lot of people on here are going to have to show a little more faith in the club and the players.

[bigwheel]

I can understand that folk will be concerned, I’m just saying that we should maybe let things settle and see what actually happens not just at hibs but at the other clubs instead of deciding that we’re getting relegated next season already

People are simply sharing some thoughts and emotions about our current position ...it’s fair that some have concerns about how strong we will be in the next season ..

I think some of the questions are reasonable ..worthy of debate anyway

[FilipinoHibs]

I have posted the details on another thread but at best we will have a £4.5 million shortfall between operating costs and income this season. People have to face up to that reality. This season is going to be about financial and football survival

[Peevemor]

****sake, read the post I was replying to. I’ve not said next seasons a write off

People have the right to raise questions about this.

Of course, but IMO you've been OTT with negativity all morning.

[Juniper Greens]

I’m assuming Kamberi could be about to walk away for free . If he refuses to drop his wages, I can only assume a route to “redundancy”, or cheap sale, will be the only option Hibs have (unless they keep him on full salary)..any player who wants out, could use this to get free of his contract ..

Wonder if he is the leak to the DR, who seem to be the first to report everything

[Stuart93]

Of course, but IMO you've been OTT with negativity all morning.

Well the news isn’t exactly positive is it.

Are we only allowed to make comment when things are rosy?

I guess you ken where the ignore button is if you’re not happy with my posts fella 👍🏼

[B.H.F.C]

Good post.

The clubs like Killie and Motherwell who have brought in new players had to as they had lost a lot of their squad once last season ended.

Lots out, a few in.

How anyone can equate that to strengthening their squads is hard to see.

Our position is that we have a reasonably large number of contracted players so this does negatively affect our ability to bring in fresh faces right now.

There are a few weeks to go before the season starts and who knows when the transfer window will end. With the reconstruction argument out of the way, expect to see lots of media articles looking to stir up doom and gloom stories. It sells papers.

So I think that a lot of people on here are going to have to show a little more faith in the club and the players.

Correct. Signing players isn’t the same as strengthening. Motherwell have lost their number one goalie, club captain and a number of other players. They also have a number of other players still considering new deals.
They’ve signed a few players, including two from the Scottish Championship. They’ll be spending less and Robinson spoke this week about running with a smaller squad.

We’ve already lost seven first team players. We’ll sort out things with the players remaining which might result in some leaving. Then we’ll follow the same path as other teams which is bringing in new players and having a smaller, less expensive squad than last year.

[Peevemor]

Well the news isn’t exactly positive is it.

Are we only allowed to make comment when things are rosy?

I guess you ken where the ignore button is if you’re not happy with my posts fella 👍🏼

Have we had news from all the other clubs in our league? Do we know if we're better or worse off then them? Has the outcome of the talks with our players been confirmed?

Instead of accusing & criticising the club, why can't you wait and see?

[BlackSheep]

How can you compare this to the usual panic?

Have you completely missed hibs’ statement? This is about as unusual as it gets for us.

Next season already a write off when people have already forked out £400+ for season tickets. There’s the issue.

Every year there is panic about who we sign or don’t sign. That’s the ‘usual’ comparison.

I have purchased my ST for next year, did so on day one... to support the club financially through this hard time. Supporting hibs isn’t a season at a time thing for me, I’m in it for the long haul and have been for an age, so competitively I view the season ahead as a write off due to the complications ahead due to Covid-19. Seeing the club through until things start to get back to normal is the priority.

Most teams will be unable to execute their visions for the future for a season at least, and financially only the old firm may be able to sustain a competitive edge all season, so in my opinion, we will play and we will try and compete but it’s may be a better opportunity to test youth and lay strong foundations... hence my OPINION that the season ahead may be a write off. I will still watch and support the team and enjoy every moment of it.

[Ozyhibby]

Correct. Signing players isn’t the same as strengthening. Motherwell have lost their number one goalie, club captain and a number of other players. They also have a number of other players still considering new deals.
They’ve signed a few players, including two from the Scottish Championship. They’ll be spending less and Robinson spoke this week about running with a smaller squad.

We’ve already lost seven first team players. We’ll sort out things with the players remaining which might result in some leaving. Then we’ll follow the same path as other teams which is bringing in new players and having a smaller, less expensive squad than last year.

Motherwell were terrible after January when they sold the young winger. COVID helped their league position.


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[Brightside]

Well the news isn’t exactly positive is it.

Are we only allowed to make comment when things are rosy?

I guess you ken where the ignore button is if you’re not happy with my posts fella 👍🏼

Its not rosy. But no clubs have strengthened. The clubs that are signing players right now have released loads. We will be signing players dont worry about that. But we do have to sort out our day to day running costs to try and fix the shortfall we are going to have this season. A lot of staff will leave, and a lot of players will leave. But we will still have a strong first team come kick off.

[Stuart93]

Every year there is panic about who we sign or don’t sign. That’s the ‘usual’ comparison.

I have purchased my ST for next year, did so on day one... to support the club financially through this hard time. Supporting hibs isn’t a season at a time thing for me, I’m in it for the long haul and have been for an age, so competitively I view the season ahead as a write off due to the complications ahead due to Covid-19. Seeing the club through until things start to get back to normal is the priority.

But that’s all personal though. There’ll be plenty people who don’t continue to renew if all we’re offered is mid table obscurity and writing seasons off before they’ve started

Suppose as other posters are saying let’s sit tight & see how this plays out & back the club financially in the mean time.

[BlackSheep]

But that’s all personal though. There’ll be plenty people who don’t continue to renew if all we’re offered is mid table obscurity and writing seasons off before they’ve started

Suppose as other posters are saying let’s sit tight & see how this plays out & back the club financially in the mean time.

Yeah that correct, now isn’t the time to panic or worry, we are not the only team having to look at stuff like wage reductions etc.

The best thing is to be patient and see how things turn out.

[mcfly]

If we’re having to sell off our best players and bring in players who probably aren’t as good on less wages and potentially signed for free, I think it’s relegation we’re going to have to be worrying about not making top 6 & certainly not competing for Europe.

Where’s the incentive to buy a ST now?

****ing dire situation and can’t quite believe we seem to be the only club who’s in as bad a mess as this.

All whilst other teams look to be strengthening. I don’t really understand the argument that all clubs will be the same just now either when they’re signing players.

All clubs will be doing the same and players/agents will have to be realistic in wage demands.

I think there will likely be an abundance of players who will be willing to come to hibs. They will know money is tight.

Part of me thinks clubs will have upper hand as squads will be smaller and loads of players unemployed..

If we can get to 10000 season tickets we should be ok

[erin go bragh]

It’s not like the record to put a negative story about us !
The only truth printed on that rag is the date .

[GloryGlory]

It’s not like the record to put a negative story about us !
The only truth printed on that rag is the date .

I'd double check on a calendar first! :greengrin

[CraigHibee]

i get that some folk are going to be in worse off position at the moment due to the pandemic and loss of jobs etc

but does anyone else think we will see a jump in season ticket sales based on the announcement?

[Rumble de Thump]

I see Ryan Fraser has opted not to sign an extension to his contract at Bournemouth, meaning Aberdeen won't be getting a sell-on fee. At one point it looked like they might get about £6 million as their cut.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

I see Ryan Fraser has opted not to sign an extension to his contract at Bournemouth, meaning Aberdeen won't be getting a sell-on fee. At one point it looked like they might get about £6 million as their cut.

Let’s hope SJM doesn’t do the same when the time comes

[HoboHarry]

Let’s hope SJM doesn’t do the same when the time comes
No chance IMHO - signed a 5 year contract last year and I suspect that was Villa protecting their investment from a low ball offer....

[Lago]

Of course, but IMO you've been OTT with negativity all morning.
That's a politicians answer, you pulled him up & you were wrong have the good gtace to admit it.

[Billy Whizz]

I see Ryan Fraser has opted not to sign an extension to his contract at Bournemouth, meaning Aberdeen won't be getting a sell-on fee. At one point it looked like they might get about £6 million as their cut.

Did he leave Aberdeen for a fee, or freedom of contact

[HoboHarry]

Did he leave Aberdeen for a fee, or freedom of contact
He refused a new contract and Aberdeen sold him for around 400k

[Billy Whizz]

He refused a new contract and Aberdeen sold him for around 400k

Ok thanks. Looks like he’s got history on this sort of thing

[supermcginn]

Ok thanks. Looks like he’s got history on this sort of thing

He's going to spurs for about 70 grand a week, can't blame him.

[04Sauzee]

If we were able to make any signings here is another great piece on Gogic

I have made it clear I think he's a decent player and everything I have read makes him sound like a decent player

https://bensfootballblog.com/2020/06/17/alex-gogic-where-is-the-cypriot-going-this-summer/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Stokesy's on fire]

Aberdeen are probably going to have to sell McKenna and Ferguson.

They will be lucky to get offered a bag of monster munch for Mckenna he is rubbish

[Unseen work]

In other news we’re linked with a centre mid https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-sunderland-plot-raid-to-sign-24-yr-old-rangers-product-wanted-by-2-spl-big-guns/

[HendoDelivered]

In other news we’re linked with a centre mid https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-sunderland-plot-raid-to-sign-24-yr-old-rangers-product-wanted-by-2-spl-big-guns/

I remember him from Falkirk.

[Unseen work]

I remember him from Falkirk.

See I was surprised I couldn’t remember him at all. What sort of player is he and is he any good? Looks a very tall and lanky guy.

I imagine it’s a load of rubbish however given our current predicament, a player would have to be off their head to sign for us given what the press are reporting and reported wage cuts. Even if that never happened Sunderland or Aberdeen would beat us to him anyway :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I think that’s a lot to do with it. The statement released the other day was so open ended they were inviting the media to jump on it.

To me it as a shot across the bows for the fans who were rejoicing on the back of Hearts going down that we had serious issues as well which all clubs will have.

[MacGruber]

In other news we’re linked with a centre mid https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-sunderland-plot-raid-to-sign-24-yr-old-rangers-product-wanted-by-2-spl-big-guns/

We are not paying a fee for anyone... clearly!

[Greenworld]

Yep, also finding it weird how we’re going from cash in the bank and money set aside for novelty stuff like a new sound system and a big screen to this.Maybe its protecting the cash on the bank.
You could spend it all on keeping the club running the same and it would be gone in 3 / 4 months .
Far better to reduce your overheads close or mothball bits of the business until fans are allowed back.
I did warn that American run business owners can be brutal , nothing happening at hibs is surprising me this is text book reaction .
Wage cuts , unpaid holiday breaks , redundancies .
Of course the difference is this is football and Leanne D could help a little by a video to explain and calm the fears of many
Maybe KP could ask her

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[Brightside]

Maybe its protecting the cash on the bank.
You could spend it all on keeping the club running the same and it would be gone in 3 / 4 months .
Far better to reduce your overheads close or mothball bits of the business until fans are allowed back.
I did warn that American run business owners can be brutal , nothing happening at hibs is surprising me this is text book reaction .
Wage cuts , unpaid holiday breaks , redundancies .
Of course the difference is this is football and Leanne D could help a little by a video to explain and calm the fears of many
Maybe KP could ask her

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Being run like a business is correct. Ron Gordon is not the club benefactor. If we need to reduce costs then he will ensure that happens. Thats how you run a business and ensure it doesnt go into debt.

[stokesmessiah]

Being run like a business is correct. Ron Gordon is not the club benefactor. If we need to reduce costs then he will ensure that happens. Thats how you run a business and ensure it doesnt go into debt.

This is a really important point and one the seems to be getting missed by a lot of people. There is an assumption that as a football club we are different from normal business, but in truth we are not. Cutting costs on wages and other areas is pretty much what every business in the UK is doing right now, it doesn't mean that we are about to go bankrupt.

[SHODAN]

In other news we’re linked with a centre mid https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-sunderland-plot-raid-to-sign-24-yr-old-rangers-product-wanted-by-2-spl-big-guns/

Ah yeah, I remember him.

[04Sauzee]

St Mirren teasing their fans, looking like a singing and they expect it to be Richard Tait

Edit he's signed for them

[matty_f]

St Mirren teasing their fans, looking like a singing and they expect it to be Richard Tait

Good old Dick Tait, eh? Boy never stops telling people what to write down.

[04Sauzee]

Good old Dick Tait, eh? Boy never stops telling people what to write down.

Very good 😉 you must be missing your podcast puns 😂

[matty_f]

Very good 😉 you must be missing your podcast puns 😂

😃 recording tomorrow, 👍🏻

[Green-Hibee-7]

Being run like a business is correct. Ron Gordon is not the club benefactor. If we need to reduce costs then he will ensure that happens. Thats how you run a business and ensure it doesnt go into debt.

Painful when it is your football team, but this comment sums it up nicely for me.

At the end of the day, I’d rather have an owner who is being honest, transparent and making the difficult decisions, rather than one who signs of cheque after cheque or takes loan after loan before it dries up and folds on itself.

Make no bones, it’s horrible to see people losing their job, academy getting reduced and chats about salary reductions but if it’s protecting the club then so be it.

[madhatter]

Painful when it is your football team, but this comment sums it up nicely for me.

At the end of the day, I’d rather have an owner who is being honest, transparent and making the difficult decisions, rather than one who signs of cheque after cheque or takes loan after loan before it dries up and folds on itself.

Make no bones, it’s horrible to see people losing their job, academy getting reduced and chats about salary reductions but if it’s protecting the club then so be it.

That’s the thing behind all of this. Much like society as a whole, this pandemic is going to leave a lasting effect for years. Not likely to be a ridiculous number of years but still years. The football aspect of the strain will hopefully ease for us as fans in the not too distant future (sadly still a time away) as we’ll be able to attend football again, and before that we will be back to having “normal” football banter.

However, Scottish football as a whole won’t be back to “normal” spending levels for years. It’ll be a case of gradually building it back up as you can see an approximation of stability and see income streams return.

Decision from Hibs to tackle this and release some of these details first out of the top flight clubs took a fair amount of bottle. Can’t know if was right decision or not but Hibs communicated this to fans before Aberdeen.

Gutting to hear of job loses and everything else. Sad times on that front generally. Hopefully club release statement soon easing some of the concerns while also respecting those affected.

[HendoDelivered]

Really hope we don’t miss out on getting Gogic with all this going on. I think we could really do with him. Hopefully the fact he’s on a free will benefit us and that he is keen to come to a bigger club and is able to wait a few weeks to see what’s going on.

[04Sauzee]

Motherwell announce their squad numbers for next season, certainly padded out with quite a number of youngsters, and some very good youngsters.

https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2020/06/18/2020-21-first-team-squad-numbers/

[Unseen work]

Motherwell announce their squad numbers for next season, certainly padded out with quite a number of youngsters, and some very good youngsters.

https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2020/06/18/2020-21-first-team-squad-numbers/

Whilst I agree Motherwell have a good starting 11, some very good players and some very dangerous ones their squad as a whole doesn’t look the best imo. They have a very solid foundation and will always get results with the players they have

.................Carson

Grimshaw Gallagher Lamie Carroll

....Turnbull...Campbell....Polworth/Donnelly....

Seedorf......................................Hylto n....

....................Watt.....

The rest of their bench etc doesn’t look strong though if they were to get an injury.


The youngsters outwith Turnbull don’t scare me as Iv never heard of them. Are they much better than Porteous, Mackie, Murray and Gullan?

I think we have the basis of a strong squad, but recruiting a couple of extra bodies to get the balance right is of the highest importance. A signing of Gogic and Docherty for example completely transforms us.

[HendoDelivered]

Whilst I agree Motherwell have a good starting 11, some very good players and some very dangerous ones their squad as a whole doesn’t look the best imo. They have a very solid foundation and will always get results with the players they have

.................Carson

Grimshaw Gallagher Lamie Carroll

....Turnbull...Campbell....Polworth/Donnelly....

Seedorf......................................Hylto n....

....................Watt.....

The rest of their bench etc doesn’t look strong though if they were to get an injury.


The youngsters outwith Turnbull don’t scare me as Iv never heard of them. Are they much better than Porteous, Mackie, Murray and Gullan?

I think we have the basis of a strong squad, but recruiting a couple of extra bodies to get the balance right is of the highest importance. A signing of Gogic and Docherty for example completely transforms us.

Campbell and Turnbull are really good players for them. Both would walk into our side IMO.

[MacGruber]

I don't think we are going to know what our squad is going to look like come August. Boyle could be sold, infact anyone could. Some could walk. Will we make signings? Probably but not many and freebies.

Probably make up numbers with development players, Gallantes, Block, Doig, Josh Campbell etc.

We will have to wait and see how we look for k.o.

[blackpoolhibs]

Campbell and Turnbull are really good players for them. Both would walk into our side IMO.

:agree:

Which would make them sellable, and Motherwell like the rest of us will have to cut costs. Folk going on about us maybe losing Boyle and Doidge, everyone else will be in the same boat.

I think there will obviously be many many players available in the window, and once again it will come down to how well we do in recruiting them.

[bigwheel]

Whilst I agree Motherwell have a good starting 11, some very good players and some very dangerous ones their squad as a whole doesn’t look the best imo. They have a very solid foundation and will always get results with the players they have

.................Carson

Grimshaw Gallagher Lamie Carroll

....Turnbull...Campbell....Polworth/Donnelly....

Seedorf......................................Hylto n....

....................Watt.....

The rest of their bench etc doesn’t look strong though if they were to get an injury.


The youngsters outwith Turnbull don’t scare me as Iv never heard of them. Are they much better than Porteous, Mackie, Murray and Gullan?

I think we have the basis of a strong squad, but recruiting a couple of extra bodies to get the balance right is of the highest importance. A signing of Gogic and Docherty for example completely transforms us.

Even with Docherty on board (perhaps unlikely in the financial world we are in) we would still be lighter than last year, and with some exists, perhaps considerably so. Motherwell have a great track record in recent years of bringing youngsters into their team . Turnbull was heading for a 3M move to Celtic until his knee issue. Would love to be anywhere near their model.

I can’t see Mackie being a first team regular , even in the revised world we will be in. After watching him play, I would be surprised . Great left peg, but not mobile or athletic enough imo..

That said, we will likely see some risks being taken on youngsters more than before, so we might get a surprise or two in terms of performance levels.

[Tom Hart RIP]

Duncan Watmore released by Sunderland

[bigwheel]

Duncan Watmore released by Sunderland

Probably injured receiving the news [emoji6]


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[GonzoReturns]

Probably injured receiving the news [emoji6]


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Cruel but made me laugh

[04Sauzee]

Duncan Watmore released by Sunderland

Along with Ozturk could he do a job 😜

[scoopyboy]

I don't think we are going to know what our squad is going to look like come August. Boyle could be sold, infact anyone could. Some could walk. Will we make signings? Probably but not many and freebies.

Probably make up numbers with development players, Gallantes, Block, Doig, Josh Campbell etc.

We will have to wait and see how we look for k.o.

20 man squad due to start training on Monday.

None of the four youths you mention included but Ryan Shanley and Calum Yeats are.

[Sheep_Nae_Mair]

Transfer window open until October -> https://talksport.com/football/718837/uefa-2020-summer-transfer-window-close/

[04Sauzee]

20 man squad due to start training on Monday.

None of the four youths you mention included but Ryan Shanley and Calum Yeats are.

Surprised Doig isn't quoted, but anybody know what kind of players shanley and Yeats are? Shanley I forward?

[scoopyboy]

Surprised Doig isn't quoted, but anybody know what kind of players shanley and Yeats are? Shanley I forward?

Shanley striker, Yeats defender. I could be wrong about Doig but cant recall his name being mentioned.

[04Sauzee]

Shanley striker, Yeats defender. I could be wrong about Doig but cant recall his name being mentioned.

Cheers appreciated

[Unseen work]

Andy King has now left Leicester, we were close to signing him on loan last summer until the Rangers came in. Wonder if he will be one we fancy once finances are sorted.

[hfc rd]

Along with Ozturk could he do a job 😜


The treatment room will be kept busy, that’s for sure.

[Coco Bryce]

Latest EN tweet.

"Hamilton Academical have confirmed 17 players have left the club with the season formally concluded, including two to have been linked with a move to Hibs.

Midfielder Alex Gogic and forward Mickel Miller are amongst those to have departed Accies.

The duo have been strongly talked about over a move to Easter Road"

[Jones28]

Latest EN tweet.

"Hamilton Academical have confirmed 17 players have left the club with the season formally concluded, including two to have been linked with a move to Hibs.

Midfielder Alex Gogic and forward Mickel Miller are amongst those to have departed Accies.

The duo have been strongly talked about over a move to Easter Road"

Here come the cuts.

[Creamofthegods]

Campbell and Turnbull are really good players for them. Both would walk into our side IMO.

Will be interesting to see if M’well can hold on to Turnbull, suspect they’ll be ruing his collapsed transfer last year.

[SteveHFC]

Latest EN tweet.

"Hamilton Academical have confirmed 17 players have left the club with the season formally concluded, including two to have been linked with a move to Hibs.

Midfielder Alex Gogic and forward Mickel Miller are amongst those to have departed Accies.

The duo have been strongly talked about over a move to Easter Road"

Could do no worse than signing them both.

[Brightside]

Campbell and Turnbull are really good players for them. Both would walk into our side IMO.

Turnball will be away soon.

[Billy Whizz]

20 man squad due to start training on Monday.

None of the four youths you mention included but Ryan Shanley and Calum Yeats are.

Presume Kamberi is too?

[Andy74]

Will be interesting to see if M’well can hold on to Turnbull, suspect they’ll be ruing his collapsed transfer last year.

He signed a new deal in March. Might well still go but unlikely to be anywhere near the fee previously agreed.

[Unseen work]

From what i can see we would have 22 players if you include Yeates and Shanley in the first team squad, does this mean we’re missing 2?

Maricano

McGinn
Gray
James
Hanlon
Jackson
Porteous
McGregor
Stevenson
Mackie
Yeates

Hallberg
Mallan
Allan
Horgan
Boyle
Newell
Murray

Kamberi
Doidge
Gullan
Shanley

You would also think Dabrowski would be in the squad too since we only have one senior keeper?

Maybe one or two off or Daz and Gray moving to coaching roles?

Seeing the squad written down shows just how poorly balanced it is.

[Andy74]

From what i can see we would have 22 players if you include Yeates and Shanley in the first team squad, does this mean we’re missing 2?

Maricano

McGinn
Gray
James
Hanlon
Jackson
Porteous
McGregor
Stevenson
Mackie
Yeates

Hallberg
Mallan
Allan
Horgan
Boyle
Newell
Murray

Kamberi
Doidge
Gullan
Shanley

You would also think Dabrowski would be in the squad too since we only have one senior keeper?

Maybe one or two off or Daz and Gray moving to coaching roles?

Seeing the squad written down shows just how poorly balanced it is.

I think it shows, in the circumstances, it isn’t a bad squad at all even without any movement.

I’m not sure many of the teams in and around us will have much better?

[bingo70]

I think it shows, in the circumstances, it isn’t a bad squad at all even without any movement.

I’m not sure many of the teams in and around us will have much better?

Yeah, this summer i think it’s about seeing what the minimum we need to get bye.

If we were to sign a couple of central midfielders that can tackle and do a 1 in 1 out for Kamberi I think we’d be ok.

Might even do the squad good not to have the usual overhaul.

[Blaster]

I think it shows, in the circumstances, it isn’t a bad squad at all even without any movement.

I’m not sure many of the teams in and around us will have much better?

I agree Andy. Obviously a defensive midfielder missing but overall not the worst squad

[K-Zazu]

I agree Andy. Obviously a defensive midfielder missing but overall not the worst squad

And a proper left back

[Blaster]

And a proper left back

Yes we need one in soon but as an overall squad you’d have Stevenson and Mackie able to play there.

[bingo70]

And a proper left back

In a normal world I’m all for Lewis Stevenson getting some competition.

In a world where we can’t afford to be paying the wages of the players we have already committed to, I think it’s fair to say that Stevenson meets the criteria as a proper left back.

[Unseen work]

I think it shows, in the circumstances, it isn’t a bad squad at all even without any movement.

I’m not sure many of the teams in and around us will have much better?

Imo the squad 100% has quality, it’s just bringing in a couple of shrewd acquisitions to balance us out and enable players to do their actual role.

For me, Mallan is the perfect example. He’s a very good player imo and not many players in Scotland have his technical ability, his touch, long passing, short passing and shooting is very good and it gives us the opportunity to switch play and counter at ease and pace with his distribution. The issue is he’s been playing very deep for us and people are judging him as a defensive midfielder which he’s not, get him up the park and see what he can actually do. For me he should be used how Celtic used Kris Commons.

We need guys like Gogic for example to come in and do the dirty work which allows Mallan to flourish, that’s not to say he does no defending and doesn’t work hard, but he needs a big help from someone experienced and good at it.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Imo the squad 100% has quality, it’s just bringing in a couple of shrewd acquisitions to balance us out and enable players to do their actual role.

For me, Mallan is the perfect example. He’s a very good player imo and not many players in Scotland have his technical ability, his touch, long passing, short passing and shooting is very good and it gives us the opportunity to switch play and counter at ease and pace with his distribution. The issue is he’s been playing very deep for us and people are judging him as a defensive midfielder which he’s not, get him up the park and see what he can actually do. For me he should be used how Celtic used Kris Commons.

We need guys like Gogic for example to come in and do the dirty work which allows Mallan to flourish, that’s not to say he does no defending and doesn’t work hard, but he needs a big help from someone experienced and good at it.

Couldn't agree more Unseen

People have VERY short memories when it comes to Mallan - with the correct position and support players around him, he'll be like a new signing in a few months

[The Modfather]

I think it shows, in the circumstances, it isn’t a bad squad at all even without any movement.

I’m not sure many of the teams in and around us will have much better?

It’s certainly not a good squad either though, even allowing for circumstances.

If we are doing any business, we can’t afford to get the limited transfers we’ll make wrong. The middle of the park is the obvious Achilles heal, and our left hand side consists of Stevenson, Horgan & Mackie.

We need a quality addition on the left (to replace either Stevenson or Horgan on the assumption we can’t replace both just now) and a a proper defensive minded midfielder just to stand still in mid table mediocrity IMO.

[The Modfather]

Couldn't agree more Unseen

People have VERY short memories when it comes to Mallan - with the correct position and support players around him, he'll be like a new signing in a few months

That could be true, but the bigger problem for me is that we have Allan, Mallan & Newell all for the same role and the midfield will struggle whoever the third midfielder is if more than one of them plays at any one time IMO

[Andy74]

It’s certainly not a good squad either though, even allowing for circumstances.

If we are doing any business, we can’t afford to get the limited transfers we’ll make wrong. The middle of the park is the obvious Achilles heal, and our left hand side consists of Stevenson, Horgan & Mackie.

We need a quality addition on the left (to replace either Stevenson or Horgan on the assumption we can’t replace both just now) and a a proper defensive minded midfielder just to stand still in mid table mediocrity IMO.

Yeah it could be improved alright but I guess we are in uncharted territory here in not knowing how strong others squads will also be.

We’ve got some very good players in there. I think it’s more a case of one or two types we don’t have but I’d also guess no squads will be complete next year.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s certainly not a good squad either though, even allowing for circumstances.

If we are doing any business, we can’t afford to get the limited transfers we’ll make wrong. The middle of the park is the obvious Achilles heal, and our left hand side consists of Stevenson, Horgan & Mackie.

We need a quality addition on the left (to replace either Stevenson or Horgan on the assumption we can’t replace both just now) and a a proper defensive minded midfielder just to stand still in mid table mediocrity IMO.

It’s definitely not a good squad, but that’ll be the same across the board. Motherwell have been doing business but is what they’ve brought in better than what they’ve lost? Everybody will be spending less and the quality will suffer as a result.

We have some good players but whether they’re playing for us on August 1st is the big question.

[PatHead]

That could be true, but the bigger problem for me is that we have Allan, Mallan & Newell all for the same role and the midfield will struggle whoever the third midfielder is if more than one of them plays at any one time IMO

Allan will be out for some time with his diabetes. Just as well we have Mallan back.

[CapitalGreen]

Allan will be out for some time with his diabetes. Just as well we have Mallan back.

Will he? His diabetes didn’t prevent him working with charities during the pandemic delivering food packages to vulnerable people and those shielding.

[Ozyhibby]

That could be true, but the bigger problem for me is that we have Allan, Mallan & Newell all for the same role and the midfield will struggle whoever the third midfielder is if more than one of them plays at any one time IMO

And Fraser Murray as well.


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[Billy Whizz]

Allan will be out for some time with his diabetes. Just as well we have Mallan back.

Has this been confirmed Pathead

[MWHIBBIES]

Has this been confirmed Pathead

Just speculation and really should not be passed off as fact on here.

[Brightside]

Allan will be out for some time with his diabetes. Just as well we have Mallan back.

Really?

[HendoDelivered]

And a proper left back

Stephen Kingsley been let go from Hull City. Would be a cracking addition.

[HendoDelivered]

Turnball will be away soon.

I’d expect this too. Well will get good money for him.

[Leitherhibs]

Stephen Kingsley been let go from Hull City. Would be a cracking addition.

Under normal circumtances I'd hope we'd be all over that. Not so sure now.

[scoopyboy]

Presume Kamberi is too?

Yes Billy.

5 groups of 4 starting at different times.

I think Kamberi is in with Shanley, Boyle and Gullan.

Whats your views on Shanley and Yeats?

[Fergus52]

That could be true, but the bigger problem for me is that we have Allan, Mallan & Newell all for the same role and the midfield will struggle whoever the third midfielder is if more than one of them plays at any one time IMO

I think your underrating Newell defensively, the games he played at LWB and as a deeper centre mid since Ross came in he showed he could get stuck in and win balls in midfield.

He's by no means a ball winner or a defensive midfielder but is much better than Allan or Mallan defensively imo.

[Billy Whizz]

Yes Billy.

5 groups of 4 starting at different times.

I think Kamberi is in with Shanley, Boyle and Gullan.

Whats your views on Shanley and Yeats?
The fans will Scholsey as he’s known. Still small but loves a tackle, just completed his 1st year as a full time professional

Ryan Shanley is a talent, just needs to believe in himself a bit more. Again last season was his 1st as a full timer, although he missed a chunk due to illness and injury. Shanley got a bit of a swagger in him
I’m sure they’ll both do well, great opportunity for them both

[MWHIBBIES]

I think your underrating Newell defensively, the games he played at LWB and as a deeper centre mid since Ross came in he showed he could get stuck in and win balls in midfield.

He's by no means a ball winner or a defensive midfielder but is much better than Allan or Mallan defensively imo.

Also don't know how anyone thinks Newall and Allan play even remotely the same roll. Totally different players.

[Smartie]

I still think Stevenson could be a huge asset in the DM role.

Versatile players are always an asset.

If we had a choice between signing a top left back or an average defensive midfielder I'd take the top left back and shuffle Lewis into the midfield knowing that he can cover left back if need be.

Strong in the tackle, can get about the park, decent passer, nobody is going to go nuts at him if he doesn't want to take players on or cross the ball playing in a deeper midfield role, whereas these are things we probably need more of in a fullback these days.

Might take a game or two to get the feel for it again but I always liked him as a midfielder.

[badabing67]

I think it shows, in the circumstances, it isn’t a bad squad at all even without any movement.

I’m not sure many of the teams in and around us will have much better?

I think we must have the oldest and slowest defence in the league, the average age is scary. We better get Nisbet cause we are going to need to be banging them in to get anywhere. Hope we dont lose Boyle

[Greenworld]

Yes Billy.

5 groups of 4 starting at different times.

I think Kamberi is in with Shanley, Boyle and Gullan.

Whats your views on Shanley and Yeats?Any news on the players agreeing to the cut in wages

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[MWHIBBIES]

I think we must have the oldest and slowest defence in the league, the average is scary. We better get Nisbet cause we are going to need to be banging them in get anywhere. Hope we dont lose Boyle

Some of the best defenders ever have been old and slow. It has little bearing on their quality. We have one of the best young defenders in the league in Porteous.

Plenty of old slow defences that are very, very good around the world right now.

Actually bizarre to me we continue to claim the defence is so poor yet no one blames the midfield or the coach who picks and trains them. Just purely the defenders.

Our defence isn't half the problem our midfield is.

[Lancs Harp]

Some of the best defenders ever have been old and slow. It has little bearing on their quality. We have one of the best young defenders in the league in Porteous.

Plenty of old slow defences that are very, very good around the world right now.

Actually bizarre to me we continue to claim the defence is so poor yet no one blames the midfield or the coach who picks and trains them. Just purely the defenders.

Our defence isn't half the problem our midfield is.

It is a bit of both. Our midfield offers our back line virtually no protection at all, too many teams walk through our midfield. With the ball we have some good creative players, without the ball pretty poor. I think Jack recognises that and has or is addressing it.

Having said that we are slow at the back Hanlon, McGregor, Stephenson and Gray have all seen their best days. Yes some class defenders arent the fastest, but it quite often depends on the blend, two or three slow defenders i your back line is going to lead to problems. As a unit our back four is slow for me thats the issue not individual players being a bit slow.

[MWHIBBIES]

It is a bit of both. Our midfield offers our back line virtually no protection at all, too many teams walk through our midfield. With the ball we have some good creative players, without the ball pretty poor. I think Jack recognises that and has or is addressing it.

Having said that we are slow at the back Hanlon, McGregor, Stephenson and Gray have all seen their best days. Yes some class defenders arent the fastest, but it quite often depends on the blend, two or three slow defenders i your back line is going to lead to problems. As a unit our back four is slow for me thats the issue not individual players being a bit slow.

That isn't our back 4, though. It is McGinn, Jackson, Hanlon and Stevenson. Hanlon and Jackson have been decent as a pairing. Lewis probably does need replacing with someone who can offer more going forward, especially since absolutely no one in the midfield ever shows for a pass so he often has to turn back. That back 4 could be absolutely fine with a really clever player in front helping them and wingers who track back. Also a proper system that suits them.

Say our team next season is

Rocky

McGinn - Jackson - Hanlon - Stevenson

Mallan - Hallberg

Boyle - Allan - Horgan

Doidge


I am significantly more worried about that midfield than the back 4.

[Lancs Harp]

That isn't our back 4, though. It is McGinn, Jackson, Hanlon and Stevenson. Hanlon and Jackson have been decent as a pairing. Lewis probably does need replacing with someone who can offer more going forward, especially since absolutely no one in the midfield ever shows for a pass so he often has to turn back. That back 4 could be absolutely fine with a really clever player in front helping them and wingers who track back. Also a proper system that suits them.

Say our team next season is

Rocky

McGinn - Jackson - Hanlon - Stevenson

Mallan - Hallberg

Boyle - Allan - Horgan

Doidge


I am significantly more worried about that midfield than the back 4.


Like I said for me it isnt an issue of one or the other, both the back line and the midfield in a defensive capacity needs attention. Easier said than done of course in the current situation.

[MWHIBBIES]

Like I said for me it isnt an issue of one or the other, both the back line and the midfield in a defensive capacity needs attention. Easier said than done of course in the current situation.

Yes, I do agree on that. 2 quality fullbacks would make such an immense difference to us.

[Scott Allan Key]

That isn't our back 4, though. It is McGinn, Jackson, Hanlon and Stevenson. Hanlon and Jackson have been decent as a pairing. Lewis probably does need replacing with someone who can offer more going forward, especially since absolutely no one in the midfield ever shows for a pass so he often has to turn back. That back 4 could be absolutely fine with a really clever player in front helping them and wingers who track back. Also a proper system that suits them.

Say our team next season is

Rocky

McGinn - Jackson - Hanlon - Stevenson

Mallan - Hallberg

Boyle - Allan - Horgan

Doidge


I am significantly more worried about that midfield than the back 4.I'd only play 2 of that midfield

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[MWHIBBIES]

I'd only play 2 of that midfield

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Sure, thats fair but do the others improve it? Newall for Mallan probably does. Otherwise, dunno.

[Robbo6-2]

With current squad i believe 4 4 2 diamond is our best formation.

Rocky
Rb Mcginn
Lb lewy
Cb porto
Cb jackson

Base of Diamond Hallberg
Left of diamond Newell
Right of Diamond Mallan
Tip Allan

diodger and Boyle up top

[MWHIBBIES]

With current squad i believe 4 4 2 diamond is our best formation.

Rocky
Rb Mcginn
Lb lewy
Cb porto
Cb jackson

Base of Diamond Hallberg
Left of diamond Newell
Right of Diamond Mallan
Tip Allan

diodger and Boyle up top

Why Porteous over Hanlon? More potential I guess?

That is probably the best option we have for a midfield but Boyle as a striker is no beuno, does not work. Far too easily marked out the game. Also no width to cross for Doidge.