Summer 2020-21 transfer thread

[we are hibs]

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[Not In The Know]

He definitely is a limited player. He can only really play one position well and only really against teams that come out and don't just sit back. He is very one dimensional but very good at that dimension. He is our most dangerous attacking player, he isn't our best player by some distance. Why does he deserve to earn some decent cash? He already earns more than enough decent cash, if he actually values playing every week he should stay here.

It might be an average league but its a step up from this one and he doesn't really light up every game here. Still struggles against teams that sit deep and crowd him out. Totally missing recently vs Hearts and Livi.


Boyler has improved massively since he's been here and could easily handle himself in the championship. There are huddie wingers like Jonny Williams for example who earn 3/4 times more than him down there, hes way better than him.

We cant grudge him the chance to pocket a 1 or 2million pound contract and hopefully at least that in a transfer fee for us.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

RE Boyle - it struck me in the last week as we celebrated 210516 that he was part of the squad but never got off the bench.

Look how far he's come since then. An international and a stand out for us with many resigned to losing him. Any big money move he gets he deserves entirely (although would love him to sign an extended contract that means he either stays with us and we build around him or we get big bucks)

[B.H.F.C]

Boyler has improved massively since he's been here and could easily handle himself in the championship. There are huddie wingers like Jonny Williams for example who earn 3/4 times more than him down there, hes way better than him.

We cant grudge him the chance to pocket a 1 or 2million pound contract and hopefully at least that in a transfer fee for us.

I also think he’d be absolutely fine down there. There are plenty players who have went down from Scotland and done well in the championship.

No chance of a seven figure transfer fee for Boyle with a year left on his deal and with the way the market is going to be though, IMO.

[Stuart93]

RE Boyle - it struck me in the last week as we celebrated 210516 that he was part of the squad but never got off the bench.

Look how far he's come since then. An international and a stand out for us with many resigned to losing him. Any big money move he gets he deserves entirely (although would love him to sign an extended contract that means he either stays with us and we build around him or we get big bucks)

Think it’s been a mixture of two things

Boyle’s obviously improved massively but the quality of our team has regressed a lot

He has become an absolute stand out though and I’d hope we are doing everything we can to get him to stay

[MWHIBBIES]

Boyler has improved massively since he's been here and could easily handle himself in the championship. There are huddie wingers like Jonny Williams for example who earn 3/4 times more than him down there, hes way better than him.

We cant grudge him the chance to pocket a 1 or 2million pound contract and hopefully at least that in a transfer fee for us.

But Jonny Williams averages about 15 games a reason bouncing between league 1 and the championship. If that is Boyles ambition for some extra cash then he can go. If he wants to challenge for cups, play where he is adored and play in Europe he should stay.

I don't think he could easily handle himself in the championship. Has he ever really had a standout performance or performances vs Celtic or Rangers? What about in Europe?

John McGinn is someone who could easily handle himself in the championship. He had excellent games away at Ibrox, Celtic park and in Europe. He was the level of player who can easily play in that league, Boyle isn't there. He isn't even as good as Scott Allan who struggled big time in England.

[MWHIBBIES]

Think it’s been a mixture of two things

Boyle’s obviously improved massively but the quality of our team has regressed a lot

He has become an absolute stand out though and I’d hope we are doing everything we can to get him to stay

Boyle now gets into the 2016 as an important player. We haven't regressed that much. 2 semi finals and a top 6 finish (well, you know) this season isn't bad at all considering the Hecky mess. Our best side was the first 6 months of 2018 and Boyle was one of the first names.

[Spudster]

Still struggles against teams that sit deep and crowd him out. Totally missing recently vs Hearts and Livi.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50847215 :confused:

[MWHIBBIES]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50847215 :confused:

Was that the most recent Hearts match? He was good that day vs a shambolic Hearts. He has probably played 10 derbies or more remember.

[GreenCastle]

Boyle is one of our top players - we were awful when he was injured - he brings a threat and considering we haven’t been able to find a back up or left sided Boyle - I would rather he stayed than left. He also is a character and gets me off my seat at ER.

He would easily do find down in England - the guy has played for Australia.

Wouldn’t hold it against him if he moved though he has it good here and with a young child etc a move could be seen as a risk.

If we lose him we would seriously need to find some speed for the team again as when we don’t have it we were so predictable.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Was that the most recent Hearts match? He was good that day vs a shambolic Hearts. He has probably played 10 derbies or more remember.

Boyle was probably the only guy to get pass marks in the last derby IIRC, first half at least he looked dangerous and fired in some dangerous balls. Don’t forget; even John McGinn featured in at least 2 derby defeats I can think of where he didn’t really impose himself.

[MWHIBBIES]

Boyle was probably the only guy to get pass marks in the last derby IIRC, first half at least he looked dangerous and fired in some dangerous balls. Don’t forget; even John McGinn featured in at least 2 derby defeats I can think of where he didn’t really impose himself.

Na, boyle was absolutely hopeless. Just ran into trouble every time he got it. Made Hicky look like Maldini. McGinn wasn't always great in derbies but definitely much more good than bad. McGinn also had dominating performances home and away vs the old firm and in europe.

[PH91]

But Jonny Williams averages about 15 games a reason bouncing between league 1 and the championship. If that is Boyles ambition for some extra cash then he can go. If he wants to challenge for cups, play where he is adored and play in Europe he should stay.

I don't think he could easily handle himself in the championship. Has he ever really had a standout performance or performances vs Celtic or Rangers? What about in Europe?

John McGinn is someone who could easily handle himself in the championship. He had excellent games away at Ibrox, Celtic park and in Europe. He was the level of player who can easily play in that league, Boyle isn't there. He isn't even as good as Scott Allan who struggled big time in England.

I think Boyle is capable of playing in the championship and would improve playing regularly with and against a better calibre of player. He certainly showed he is capable of working hard to improve himself at Hibs.

I really hope he stays and imagine he will be giving consideration to that given his family situation and his relationship with the club. But as someone noted, when players whose biggest asset is their pace hit 30 they tend to start dropping down the ladder rather than progressing up it. If Boyle wants a crack at England and a shot of making much more money than he can here then he doesn't have too many years left to make his move.

[Forza Fred]

I think Boyle is capable of playing in the championship and would improve playing regularly with and against a better calibre of player. He certainly showed he is capable of working hard to improve himself at Hibs.

I really hope he stays and imagine he will be giving consideration to that given his family situation and his relationship with the club. But as someone noted, when players whose biggest asset is their pace hit 30 they tend to start dropping down the ladder rather than progressing up it. If Boyle wants a crack at England and a shot of making much more money than he can here then he doesn't have too many years left to make his move.

dunno if he would go their but his time with the Socceroos has put him on the radar of some big paying Asian clubs.

[Stuart93]

Boyle now gets into the 2016 as an important player. We haven't regressed that much. 2 semi finals and a top 6 finish (well, you know) this season isn't bad at all considering the Hecky mess. Our best side was the first 6 months of 2018 and Boyle was one of the first names.

Yea fair points throughout

The only one I’d argue with is that we haven’t regressed much. I’d say this team currently aren’t anywhere near as good as the cup winning team or more obviously the 2018 team

[spike220]

Yea fair points throughout

The only one I’d argue with is that we haven’t regressed much. I’d say this team currently aren’t anywhere near as good as the cup winning team or more obviously the 2018 team

The cup winning team were arguably the best in over 114 years!!

[Ozyhibby]

Boyle is our best player. It’s unfortunate that we won’t be able to offer the same wages as he will get elsewhere and the club will look to get cash in for him this season.


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[oneone73]

The cup winning team were arguably the best in over 114 years!!

I suspect the Famous Five would have argued with that.

[badabing67]

Am i right in thinking current squad:

Marciano / Dabrowski

McGinn / Gray / James
Porteous / McGregor
Hanlon / Jackson
Stevenson / Mackie

Boyle /
Hallberg / F. Murray
Allan / Mallan
Newell / Horgan

Kamberi /
Doidge / Gullan

The average age of that defence is terrifying & not much steel in the midfield either we need to be really busy in the summer

[badabing67]

At the minimum we need another winger with pace and a defensive midfielder whilst extending Boyle.

In an ideal world I'd move James, Mackie, Horgan and Kamberi, then add a LB, winger, box to box and two strikers.

I thought Mackie done well at Dundee I think we should keep hold of him he could still kick on

[Speedway]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ex-sunderland-duo-set-leave-18294621

Two former Sunderland players that Ross will be familiar with on the look out for new clubs. Both positions we’ll be looking for.

I’d imagine both will be miles out of our pay structure but suppose it’s a strange world we’re living in just now, footballers may just be happy to get contracts and have the opportunity to play football.

There’ll be a lot of out of unemployed footballers next season.

Do we even have one now?

[HFC93]

I thought Mackie done well at Dundee I think we should keep hold of him he could still kick on

I saw him a few times with Dundee on the BBC Scotland channel and that looked his level.

[Tambo]

I see hendo is on the move again.

[Stuart93]

I saw him a few times with Dundee on the BBC Scotland channel and that looked his level.

Agreed

[SteveHFC]

I see hendo is on the move again.

Bring him home.

[supermcginn]

I thought Mackie done well at Dundee I think we should keep hold of him he could still kick on

He's awful defensively. We need better.

[Ozyhibby]

Mackie won’t make it at Hibs. He will be moved on as soon as it can be done.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Mackie won’t make it at Hibs. He will be moved on as soon as it can be done.


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You must have some source at the club. About 10 definitive statements recently based on very little. I doubt our CEO could even say such things with as much certainty as you.

[calumhibee1]

I see hendo is on the move again.

Where did you see that? Definitely time for him to come home.

[w pilton hibby]

Where did you see that? Definitely time for him to come home.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-scottish-cup-hero-liam-henderson-set-join-serie-b-side-2864779

[Ozyhibby]

You must have some source at the club. About 10 definitive statements recently based on very little. I doubt our CEO could even say such things with as much certainty as you.

They are my opinions. If they are proven wrong then I’m sure you’ll let me know. Won’t be about Mackie though.[emoji23]


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[B.H.F.C]

I thought Mackie done well at Dundee I think we should keep hold of him he could still kick on

I might be imagining this, but I thought the general opinion of the Dundee fans was the opposite in regards to Mackie.

I thought his big chance was at the start of last season when Lewis was injured but he didn’t take it. I think Lewis is needing replaced in the first 11 but I’d still have him ahead of Mackie.

[HoboHarry]

I see hendo is on the move again.
Not sure he is moving again? He's been on loan since January and he's just making his existing loan move permanent.....

[weecounty hibby]

From what I've seen of Mackie at Hibs and the little I saw on TV with Dundee he isn't good enough for Hibs. He certainly isn't any better than Lewis and I feel that is an area we need to strengthen

[Tambo]

Not sure he is moving again? He's been on loan since January and he's just making his existing loan move permanent.....

Yes that's very true, I only seen the headline.

Also 5 free agents we could sign today in the evening news, would many people want fletcher back?

[Michael]

Yes that's very true, I only seen the headline.

Also 5 free agents we could sign today in the evening news, would many people want fletcher back?

I'd take Fletch on 1 year deal.

[weecounty hibby]

Yes that's very true, I only seen the headline.

Also 5 free agents we could sign today in the evening news, would many people want fletcher back?

In a minute! Class player who would improve us no end

[SHODAN]

Yes that's very true, I only seen the headline.

Also 5 free agents we could sign today in the evening news, would many people want fletcher back?

I would, but I suspect he'd be out of our price range.

[J-C]

Not seen enough of Mackie last season to make up my mind but he was hung out to dry in that Rangers game and then dropped/punted out on loan. I think he's more attack minded than Lewis but defensively lacking for our level, maybe played as left winger could be an option, he does have a sweet left foot.

[The 90+2]

Yes that's very true, I only seen the headline.

Also 5 free agents we could sign today in the evening news, would many people want fletcher back?

Fletcher back would be an absolute no brainier. He’s got a good few years left in him although I would be surprised if he came back to Scotland as he’s been good this season prior to injury.

[Billy Whizz]

From what I've seen of Mackie at Hibs and the little I saw on TV with Dundee he isn't good enough for Hibs. He certainly isn't any better than Lewis and I feel that is an area we need to strengthen

From what I’ve seen of him in the development team, I think he’s got all the attributes to play left wing back or an inside left type of role
Sean’s at his best going forward, and has a great shot on him

[Unseen work]

Fletch would walk into our team and be our best player. Not a chance we would get him, be several championship teams after him and I think he would see himself as being above us.

Niko Hamailenen
Stephen O’Donnell
Docherty
DM who focussed purely on defending to let Doc and Allan rampage forward.
Striker x 2

Fwiw re Mackie, I think he’s a decent player and really impressed me last season against Celtic and Rangers, this season his confidence seemed completely gone even in friendlies with some basic mistakes.

I think Ross could get the best out of him.

[weecounty hibby]

From what I’ve seen of him in the development team, I think he’s got all the attributes to play left wing back or an inside left type of role
Sean’s at his best going forward, and has a great shot on him

I don't see the Dev team at all and I understand that he may look decent there but there is a huge step up from there to 1st team and when I've seen him I just don't see a 1st team regular there who would/should challenge for a regular start. I love to see home grown players make it to the 1st team but they need to merit that place and not just cos they came from the academy.

[Alfred E Newman]

I don't see the Dev team at all and I understand that he may look decent there but there is a huge step up from there to 1st team and when I've seen him I just don't see a 1st team regular there who would/should challenge for a regular start. I love to see home grown players make it to the 1st team but they need to merit that place and not just cos they came from the academy.

Unfortunately very few players from the academy seem to make it to the 1st team. That is another debate of course.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not seen enough of Mackie last season to make up my mind but he was hung out to dry in that Rangers game and then dropped/punted out on loan. I think he's more attack minded than Lewis but defensively lacking for our level, maybe played as left winger could be an option, he does have a sweet left foot.

How was he hung out to dry?

[brog]

Not seen enough of Mackie last season to make up my mind but he was hung out to dry in that Rangers game and then dropped/punted out on loan. I think he's more attack minded than Lewis but defensively lacking for our level, maybe played as left winger could be an option, he does have a sweet left foot.

Without a doubt! He could play as a wingback with 3 CB's or as a wide midfield player. This board makes me laugh. We decry the lack of opportunities for young players then say they're not good enough before theyve properly had a chance.

[J-C]

How was he hung out to dry?


A young inexperienced left back playing in a team with almost zero protection in front of him makes a mistake and gives away a penalty, he is then dropped and forgotten about until he went to Dundee on loan, it was shocking man management by Heckingbottom. Our prep pre season was non existent and the 1st few games was an eye opener as to how it was going to pan out, Mackie wasn't ready to be thrust into that team and it knocked his confidence pretty badly.

[Since90+2]

Mackie is not good enough for a team aiming to finish top 3 or 4.

He's a Championship player (at best).

[HendoDelivered]

Mackie is not good enough for a team aiming to finish top 3 or 4.

He's a Championship player (at best).

Agreed.

[B.H.F.C]

A young inexperienced left back playing in a team with almost zero protection in front of him makes a mistake and gives away a penalty, he is then dropped and forgotten about until he went to Dundee on loan, it was shocking man management by Heckingbottom. Our prep pre season was non existent and the 1st few games was an eye opener as to how it was going to pan out, Mackie wasn't ready to be thrust into that team and it knocked his confidence pretty badly.

If he wasn’t ready to be put in the team then, when will he be ready? He actually had experience of doing well at Ibrox the season before. I don’t see what has happened in the last year to make him more ready for a team that want to compete at the right end of the league. I’d be delighted if he proved me wrong because we need to improve in that area of the pitch.

[calumhibee1]

Mackie is not good enough for a team aiming to finish top 3 or 4.

He's a Championship player (at best).

:agree:

[J-C]

If he wasn’t ready to be put in the team then, when will he be ready? He actually had experience of doing well at Ibrox the season before. I don’t see what has happened in the last year to make him more ready for a team that want to compete at the right end of the league. I’d be delighted if he proved me wrong because we need to improve in that area of the pitch.

I agree he had enough experience but not for that type of game and in that team, the left hand side was so exposed. I think it knocked his confidence and his loan maybe helped him, he was very well thought of by the coaches.

[MWHIBBIES]

A young inexperienced left back playing in a team with almost zero protection in front of him makes a mistake and gives away a penalty, he is then dropped and forgotten about until he went to Dundee on loan, it was shocking man management by Heckingbottom. Our prep pre season was non existent and the 1st few games was an eye opener as to how it was going to pan out, Mackie wasn't ready to be thrust into that team and it knocked his confidence pretty badly.

Lewis was younger than that and got MOTM in a cup final. He wasn't hung out to dry, he played. He played a match. He got sent off so he wasn't dropped.

What was the alternative, someone out of position? Was he ready to be thrust in when he came on vs Celtic nearly a year before and done well?

He had a stinker. Nothing more, nothing less. He wasn't hung out to dry.

[Greencore]

Mackie is not good enough for a team aiming to finish top 3 or 4.

He's a Championship player (at best).

Agree with this sadly. Hope you're wrong.

[J-C]

Lewis was younger than that and got MOTM in a cup final. He wasn't hung out to dry, he played. He played a match. He got sent off so he wasn't dropped.

What was the alternative, someone out of position? Was he ready to be thrust in when he came on vs Celtic nearly a year before and done well?

He had a stinker. Nothing more, nothing less. He wasn't hung out to dry.


Why then after that Rangers match was he dropped altogether from the squad he'd been a regular in all pre season, that clown of a manager and his shocking man management skills at their worst. Instead of putting an arm around the lad, he was sent back to the Dev squad and punted on loan asap to Dundee. He played in 6 out of 8 pre season and betfred games then disappeared out of the squad altogether, he then joined Dundee on loan on Sept.2nd. Stevenson came back far too early into the team and struggled most of the season after that.

[HibeeJude]

Mackie is not good enough for a team aiming to finish top 3 or 4.

He's a Championship player (at best).

Motherwell finished third this season with a squad half full of academy players, many of whom are neither as physically nor technically gifted as Sean

[Ozyhibby]

Motherwell finished third this season with a squad half full of academy players, many of whom are neither as physically nor technically gifted as Sean

Do you think Motherwell would sign him? I bet we would be easy to deal with.


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[bigwheel]

Motherwell finished third this season with a squad half full of academy players, many of whom are neither as physically nor technically gifted as Sean

I wouldn’t agree with that. Mackie has an absolute wand of a left foot...and possibly is the best crosser in the ball we have....but from what I’ve seen, he isn’t mobile enough or defensively strong enough to play at our level..Motherwell’s first team youngsters have all of that and more. Hope I’m wrong of course, but looks to me that he will find his level lower down the leagues.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Why then after that Rangers match was he dropped altogether from the squad he'd been a regular in all pre season, that clown of a manager and his shocking man management skills at their worst. Instead of putting an arm around the lad, he was sent back to the Dev squad and punted on loan asap to Dundee. He played in 6 out of 8 pre season and betfred games then disappeared out of the squad altogether, he then joined Dundee on loan on Sept.2nd. Stevenson came back far too early into the team and struggled most of the season after that.

Perhaps he thought that match showed he wasn't ready and needed a loan?

Plenty reasons to bash Hecky, making more up is just sad

[J-C]

perhaps he thought that match showed he wasn't ready and needed a loan?

Plenty reasons to bash hecky, making more up is just sad


white

[brog]

Perhaps he thought that match showed he wasn't ready and needed a loan?

Plenty reasons to bash Hecky, making more up is just sad

If you applied that decision logically then most of the team, but especially Rocky, should have gone out on loan after the Rangers game!

[MWHIBBIES]

If you applied that decision logically then most of the team, but especially Rocky, should have gone out on loan after the Rangers game!

No, that isn't logical at all. Those are guys with 10 years of experience, cup winners etc. Its actually the opposite of logical because you would be forgetting years of good performances.

[erin go bragh]

We @HibernianFans can exclusively reveal we will be making former St Mirren star Harry Davis our first post Covid 19 signing.
Just been posted on Twitter . 28 year old Centre half who can also play right and left back . Played all season when St Mirren won the championship under Ross .

[Peevemor]

We @HibernianFans can exclusively reveal we will be making former St Mirren star Harry Davis our first post Covid 19 signing.
Just been posted on Twitter . 28 year old Centre half who can also play right and left back . Played all season when St Mirren won the championship under Ross .

His middle name is Spencer. At least he'll keep on running!

[HendoDelivered]

We @HibernianFans can exclusively reveal we will be making former St Mirren star Harry Davis our first post Covid 19 signing.
Just been posted on Twitter . 28 year old Centre half who can also play right and left back . Played all season when St Mirren won the championship under Ross .

A parody account most definitely.

[DTS]

Yes that's very true, I only seen the headline.

Also 5 free agents we could sign today in the evening news, would many people want fletcher back?

Is this article online at all?

[sean04]

I like Mackie, big and powerful. Made a mistake at Ibrox but he’s a young boy so that’s going to happen. Rather see a young player coming thru than watching Stevenson trying to cross the ball

[MWHIBBIES]

I like Mackie, big and powerful. Made a mistake at Ibrox but he’s a young boy so that’s going to happen. Rather see a young player coming thru than watching Stevenson trying to cross the ball

So you'd rather see just any young player than a guy with over 500 appearnaces and 2 cup wins?

The lewis crossing patter is vastly overdone. Seriously tedious at this point. Gray is more worse at crossing and it never gets mentioned against him

[Brightside]

A parody account most definitely.

Yes. No idea why people dont just block these fannies tbh.

[Peevemor]

So you'd rather see just any young player than a guy with over 500 appearnaces and 2 cup wins?

The lewis crossing patter is vastly overdone. Seriously tedious at this point. Gray is more worse at crossing and it never gets mentioned against himI'm not a Lewis "knocker", but I'm pretty sure that SDG's assist rate will be far higher than Lewis's, taking time on the pitch into account.

[JDT]

I think we're going to be seeing a lot more youth being used next season throughout the whole league. Mackie, Gullan, Murray, Stirling, Block, Dabrowski and there's most likely others who I've forgotten I think will all see game time

[The Modfather]

His middle name is Spencer. At least he'll keep on running!

They were a great band!

[The Modfather]

white

:tee hee:

[J-C]

:tee hee:

Was just waiting for him to say "Black" as he doesn't half like to contradict and cause arguments.

[badabing67]

A young inexperienced left back playing in a team with almost zero protection in front of him makes a mistake and gives away a penalty, he is then dropped and forgotten about until he went to Dundee on loan, it was shocking man management by Heckingbottom. Our prep pre season was non existent and the 1st few games was an eye opener as to how it was going to pan out, Mackie wasn't ready to be thrust into that team and it knocked his confidence pretty badly.

I agree with this assessment PHB was a total disaster for the young players trying to break through from development. He definitely held back Mackie, Shaw & Murray. You just need to look at the progress Gullan has made with the chance given to him By Ross. If you compare the minutes given to young players trying to break through given by Lennon compared to PHB. As a club under Lennon we gave more minutes to home produced talent than any other club in the UK. PHB completely blew that out the water. He serious set back the development of young players and the current situation just has add to this. I feel sorry for Mackie, Shaw & Murray I think their development has has been curtailed for a year. Though I do conseed Murray has had a long lay off with an injury. PHB had a really adverse effect on all the young players development

[The Modfather]

I agree with this assessment PHB was a total disaster for the young players trying to break through from development. He definitely held back Mackie, Shaw & Murray. You just need to look at the progress Gullan has made with the chance given to him By Ross. If you compare the minutes given to young players trying to break through given by Lennon compared to PHB. As a club under Lennon we gave more minutes to home produced talent than any other club in the UK. PHB completely blew that out the water. He serious set back the development of young players and the current situation just has add to this. I feel sorry for Mackie, Shaw & Murray I think their development has has been curtailed for a year. Though I do conseed Murray has had a long lay off with an injury. PHB had a really adverse effect on all the young players development

Is that true? To give Lennon his due he did play Shaw and Porteous a fair bit, but the bulk of those minutes would have come from Hanlon, Stevenson & Whittaker so not sure it really means anything.

[sean04]

So you'd rather see just any young player than a guy with over 500 appearnaces and 2 cup wins?

The lewis crossing patter is vastly overdone. Seriously tedious at this point. Gray is more worse at crossing and it never gets mentioned against him

I think gray is finished aswell, struggling to overcome injuries and not easy to reach top fitness when your constantly battling injuries

[Robbo6-2]

Theres a few decent players out of contract in SPFL in summer that would improve our squad imo..

Chris Long
Drey Wright
Hamalianen

O'Donnell is an obvious one but can see him going down south.

[Speedway]

You must have some source at the club. About 10 definitive statements recently based on very little. I doubt our CEO could even say such things with as much certainty as you.

Well she did say that Ross County sub Oli Shaw was the greatest striker in history.


We @HibernianFans can exclusively reveal we will be making former St Mirren star Harry Davis our first post Covid 19 signing.
Just been posted on Twitter . 28 year old Centre half who can also play right and left back . Played all season when St Mirren won the championship under Ross .

If this is true, we're skinter than we thought.

[badabing67]

Is that true? To give Lennon his due he did play Shaw and Porteous a fair bit, but the bulk of those minutes would have come from Hanlon, Stevenson & Whittaker so not sure it really means anything.


https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-regularly-play-more-academy-15378262

[sean04]

Theres a few decent players out of contract in SPFL in summer that would improve our squad imo..

Chris Long
Drey Wright
Hamalianen

O'Donnell is an obvious one but can see him going down south.

Really like the look of long and Hämäläinen

[CockneyRebel]

white

average band

[Speedway]

average

Band!

[J-C]

average


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[matty_f]

Anyone heard Kamberi to Rangers with Barker coming to Hibs?

Apologies if that's been posted already.

[04Sauzee]

Anyone heard Kamberi to Rangers with Barker coming to Hibs?

Apologies if that's been posted already.

Barker is miles away from getting a game for Rangers, i liked Barker, many Hibs fans didn't.

[JohnM1875]

Anyone heard Kamberi to Rangers with Barker coming to Hibs?

Apologies if that's been posted already.

Would much prefer Docherty and I hope that's who we're trying to get.

Loved Barker when he was here. But the guy will be injured more than he plays.

[badabing67]

Would much prefer Docherty and I hope that's who we're trying to get.

Loved Barker when he was here. But the guy will be injured more than he plays.

Would be good to have both in my opinion

[Jones28]

Anyone heard Kamberi to Rangers with Barker coming to Hibs?

Apologies if that's been posted already.

Add Docherty and you’ve got a deal.

[The Modfather]

Anyone heard Kamberi to Rangers with Barker coming to Hibs?

Apologies if that's been posted already.

I’d take Barker back, thought he was raw but showed signs he was developing, if nothing else someone who could excite us. Wouldn’t swap him for Kamberi though as Kamberi is one of the few sellable/tradeable assets we have and Barker is more of a nice to have than a must sign IMO.

[Michael]

I'd take Barker, I don't think he's worth 1 Kamberi though. Barker was super exciting when he was in the mood. His consistency was improving in the second half of the season too.

[Stuart93]

If it was barker and docherty I’d take it but a straight swap? No chance. Barker isn’t anywhere near as good as he is/was made out to be.

[we are hibs]

I liked Barker at Hibs but he looked poor everytime i seen him for Rangers. Although we do play 2 different styles so maybe he would be more suited to Hibs.

[badabing67]

I'd take Barker, I don't think he's worth 1 Kamberi though. Barker was super exciting when he was in the mood. His consistency was improving in the second half of the season too.

I don't think he is worth 1 Kamberi either but for Docherty & Barker there could be scope for a deal. Rangers got Barker on a free & payed Hamilton £600k for Docherty. Don't how much we value Kamberi at. But if Rangers get the chance to move Morelos on for a good price I think they can't afford not to. But they will need to replace him and Kamberi could fit the bill on a lower wage. I doubt either Docherty or Barker will be in Gerrard's plans. I think they will both get moved on one way or another

[easty]

I'd take Barker back for free. Not as a swap for Kamberi though, as much as I don't want the prick back here, he is worth something to us. Barkers worth nowt to them. Nobody is going to buy Barker, he'll get a free transfer or run out his contract.

Barker and Docherty for Kamberi, I'd take that.

[badabing67]

I'd take Barker back for free. Not as a swap for Kamberi though, as much as I don't want the prick back here, he is worth something to us. Barkers worth nowt to them. Nobody is going to buy Barker, he'll get a free transfer or run out his contract.

Barker and Docherty for Kamberi, I'd take that.

So would I but how realistic do u think it would be, could it be possible

[easty]

So would I but how realistic do u think it would be, could it be possible

Dunno, but the starting point should be Doherty. If they want to throw in barker too, then good deal, if not...still a good deal.

[brog]

No, that isn't logical at all. Those are guys with 10 years of experience, cup winners etc. Its actually the opposite of logical because you would be forgetting years of good performances.

Not in the case of Vela, Newell & Doidge I wouldn't be! Mackie was the youngest player in our team & the only one who was dropped from the squad after the Ibrox debacle. I thought then & still do that was shameful treatment of a young player.

[MWHIBBIES]

Well she did say that Ross County sub Oli Shaw was the greatest striker in history.



If this is true, we're skinter than we thought.Yeah, she definitely said that :faf:


Was just waiting for him to say "Black" as he doesn't half like to contradict and cause arguments.Why are you unable to actually discuss something? Why do you feel the need to get personal? I'm simply making my point and debating it, like I always do. Just because you have to actually think about it and reply isn't an excuse to take the silly, brainless route of insulting me.


I'm not a Lewis "knocker", but I'm pretty sure that SDG's assist rate will be far higher than Lewis's, taking time on the pitch into account.

Its not assists though, its crossing. Lewis' crossing is easily better than Grays IMO. Neither is good enough, though.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not in the case of Vela, Newell & Doidge I wouldn't be! Mackie was the youngest player in our team & the only one who was dropped from the squad after the Ibrox debacle. I thought then & still do that was shameful treatment of a young player.

So Newall and Doidge have since shown to be excellent players like Mackie wasn't really that good on loan a league below. Correct decision.

[Kato]

Not in the case of Vela, Newell & Doidge I wouldn't be! Mackie was the youngest player in our team & the only one who was dropped from the squad after the Ibrox debacle. I thought then & still do that was shameful treatment of a young player.I agree, Brog. Very high-handed and not really giving him a chance to pay the mistake back.

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[J-C]

Yeah, she definitely said that :faf:

Why are you unable to actually discuss something? Why do you feel the need to get personal? I'm simply making my point and debating it, like I always do. Just because you have to actually think about it and reply isn't an excuse to take the silly, brainless route of insulting me.



Its not assists though, its crossing. Lewis' crossing is easily better than Grays IMO. Neither is good enough, though.


Who says I'm getting personal and how am I insulting you?

You are a very contradictory poster on here and have had numerous spats with many posters re your views, I stand by this fact and see you as a bit of a troll who enjoys winding people up by posting the opposite of what they say just to get a response. I will no longer reply to any of your posts as I can't be arsed banging heads with you, I don't put people on ignore, I just ignore their posts. Bye bye :bye:

[Souter96Mac]

Would take Barker and then Docherty on loan for the season, if not perm, for Kamberi. i really liked Barker, but injuries have held him back.

[J-C]

Would take Barker and then Docherty on loan for the season, if not perm, for Kamberi. i really liked Barker, but injuries have held him back.


I like Docherty but I wonder if they'd let him come, Barker frustrated me as he has bags of talent with little end product, he also seems very injury prone. This all may depend what happens with Morelos.

[Stuart93]

Yeah, she definitely said that :faf:

Why are you unable to actually discuss something? Why do you feel the need to get personal? I'm simply making my point and debating it, like I always do. Just because you have to actually think about it and reply isn't an excuse to take the silly, brainless route of insulting me.



Its not assists though, its crossing. Lewis' crossing is easily better than Grays IMO. Neither is good enough, though.

You confused me at your last point there? Surely the aim of a cross is to set up a goal? The stat used to measure that is assists. More assists from a full back would surely suggest their crossing is more accurate and better than a full back with less assists?

[Tambo]

I thought Barker improved his game near the end of his stint but as some have said a bit injury prone but definitely would take Barker and docherty in a straight swap for flo.

[JimBHibees]

Yeah, she definitely said that :faf:

Why are you unable to actually discuss something? Why do you feel the need to get personal? I'm simply making my point and debating it, like I always do. Just because you have to actually think about it and reply isn't an excuse to take the silly, brainless route of insulting me.



Its not assists though, its crossing. Lewis' crossing is easily better than Grays IMO. Neither is good enough, though.

do you watch the games with your eyes closed? No way is Lewis a better crosser

[The 90+2]

Anyone heard Kamberi to Rangers with Barker coming to Hibs?

Apologies if that's been posted already.

Deal. Not sure if BB would take a massive wage cut though.

[JammyDoidger]

Barker had the heart of a mouse. Probably 10x the natural ability of boyle with nowhere near the heart or the work ethic!

[The 90+2]

Barker had the heart of a mouse. Probably 10x the natural ability of boyle with nowhere near the heart or the work ethic!

Still better than a ****, uninterested Kamberi.

[The 90+2]

Lewis isn’t a better crosser than Gray. That ****s ludicrous.

[JimBHibees]

Barker had the heart of a mouse. Probably 10x the natural ability of boyle with nowhere near the heart or the work ethic!

Disagree quite liked him surprised how little game time he got at Rangers though they did have loads of wide players.

[HoboHarry]

Disagree quite liked him surprised how little game time he got at Rangers though they did have loads of wide players.
They have a fair share in the boardroom as well.......

[Andy74]

Barker had the heart of a mouse. Probably 10x the natural ability of boyle with nowhere near the heart or the work ethic!

Probably the single most pathetic thing that people continue to say about players on this board.

[Billy Whizz]

Where’s the Barker link coming from?
Haven’t seen it reported anywhere

[jeffers]

I’d prefer Docherty but on the face of it, Barker for a huffy, unwanted Kamberi isn’t that bad an alternative. I can’t see Kamberi being welcomed back and not convinced Jack Ross would want him. Big issue for me would be getting Barker fit and showing the level of performance he did in the 2nd half of his loan spell.

[badabing67]

Barker had the heart of a mouse. Probably 10x the natural ability of boyle with nowhere near the heart or the work ethic!

Barker really has something to prove now, he is at a pivotal point in his career which he really needs to get back on track. So rubbing shoulders with Boyler again would be a good influence on him I think

[badabing67]

Where’s the Barker link coming from?
Haven’t seen it reported anywhere

Its speculation on here, but seems feasible if a deal could be done = Flo for Docherty & Barker

[Greencore]

Its speculation on here, but seems feasible if a deal could be done = Flo for Docherty & Barker

Sevco wouldnt be that nice to us. They hate us.

[badabing67]

Sevco wouldnt be that nice to us. They hate us.

How is it being nice to us. They're broke and there squad is way to big Docherty and Barker will be out in the summer. So we have something they want and they have something we want. There has to be room for negotiation, just business in mutual self interest

[Bobby's Cinema]

IMO barker would be a bit of a luxury player at this time. Maybe find himself on the bench similar to Mallan? Okay coming on as a sub at home in a midfield with McGinn, Dylan etc and providing excitement, but I don’t see him providing enough for us in this current team? His poor conversion rate when through against the goalie stands out to me

[Ozyhibby]

I would take Barker back. He’s a good age and he has amazing pace. We are likely to lose Boyle and every team needs someone who makes a defence back off a bit.


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[MWHIBBIES]

do you watch the games with your eyes closed? No way is Lewis a better crosserI do watch game with my eyes open. Although you'd be going back 2 years when Gray last actually played regularly. I understand why in that time you may have forgotten that he really isn't a good crosser.


You confused me at your last point there? Surely the aim of a cross is to set up a goal? The stat used to measure that is assists. More assists from a full back would surely suggest their crossing is more accurate and better than a full back with less assists?I mean, Gray could have 10 assist from passes or long balls. Actually assists from crosses is what I'm talking about.


Who says I'm getting personal and how am I insulting you?

You are a very contradictory poster on here and have had numerous spats with many posters re your views, I stand by this fact and see you as a bit of a troll who enjoys winding people up by posting the opposite of what they say just to get a response. I will no longer reply to any of your posts as I can't be arsed banging heads with you, I don't put people on ignore, I just ignore their posts. Bye bye :bye::faf:

Right so I'm a troll because I disagree with you, backing up my points fully? Please google what a troll is. If you cant have an adult discussion then yes, stop replying to my posts. I couldn't care less if I've had spats on here. They are generally because, like you, people cant handle being disagreed with and resort to personal abuse.





Lewis isn’t a better crosser than Gray. That ****s ludicrous.

Is it though? Gray sends 80% of crosses out of a goal kick. Can you actually think of Gray putting in many great crosses or proving goals?

Lewis averages an assist every 11.3 games in his career. Gray every 12.7.

Since Gray joined Hibs he has 21 assists in 174 games. One every 8.29 games. In the same time Lewis has 33 in 260 games. One every 7.87 games. Thats including a much higher % of games against Premier league teams

Is it really ludicrous?

(no doubt i'll get called a troll once again :faf: )

[badabing67]

IMO barker would be a bit of a luxury player at this time. Maybe find himself on the bench similar to Mallan? Okay coming on as a sub at home in a midfield of McGinn, Dylan, Allan, Boyle etc and providing excitement, but I don’t see him providing enough for us in this current team? His poor conversion rate when through against the goalie stands out to me

I understand your fustration with his lack of goals when he was here last. But it doesn't mean it isn't something he can't add to his game. I'm not sure how well he done at PNE but he got a move to Rangers so he must of done ok there. But his ability as a ball carrier to cover the ground he can, is in my opinion something were lacking. We need someone like him.

[Hibeesmad]

I do watch game with my eyes open. Although you'd be going back 2 years when Gray last actually played regularly. I understand why in that time you may have forgotten that he really isn't a good crosser.

I mean, Gray could have 10 assist from passes or long balls. Actually assists from crosses is what I'm talking about.

:faf:

Right so I'm a troll because I disagree with you, backing up my points fully? Please google what a troll is. If you cant have an adult discussion then yes, stop replying to my posts. I couldn't care less if I've had spats on here. They are generally because, like you, people cant handle being disagreed with and resort to personal abuse.






Is it though? Gray sends 80% of crosses out of a goal kick. Can you actually think of Gray putting in many great crosses or proving goals?

Lewis averages an assist every 11.3 games in his career. Gray every 12.7.

Since Gray joined Hibs he has 21 assists in 174 games. One every 8.29 games. In the same time Lewis has 33 in 260 games. One every 7.87 games. Thats including a much higher % of games against Premier league teams

Is it really ludicrous?

(no doubt i'll get called a troll once again :faf: )

Gray has had 3 assists in the 30 Premiership games he has played. Stevenson has 1 assist in his last 56 Premiership games.

[scotiaf]

I can only imagine barker is on 6k plus, can’t see us paying anywhere near that. If we were I’d rather pay Boyle that

[The 90+2]

I do watch game with my eyes open. Although you'd be going back 2 years when Gray last actually played regularly. I understand why in that time you may have forgotten that he really isn't a good crosser.

I mean, Gray could have 10 assist from passes or long balls. Actually assists from crosses is what I'm talking about.

:faf:

Right so I'm a troll because I disagree with you, backing up my points fully? Please google what a troll is. If you cant have an adult discussion then yes, stop replying to my posts. I couldn't care less if I've had spats on here. They are generally because, like you, people cant handle being disagreed with and resort to personal abuse.






Is it though? Gray sends 80% of crosses out of a goal kick. Can you actually think of Gray putting in many great crosses or proving goals?

Lewis averages an assist every 11.3 games in his career. Gray every 12.7.

Since Gray joined Hibs he has 21 assists in 174 games. One every 8.29 games. In the same time Lewis has 33 in 260 games. One every 7.87 games. Thats including a much higher % of games against Premier league teams

Is it really ludicrous?

(no doubt i'll get called a troll once again :faf: )

I don’t think you’re trolling at all.
Gray does put a lot more crosses into the box and looks to beat a man at least also. Lewis is the most frustrating wing back ever at times passing back instead of firing in a cross then it usually ends up ball lost.

Both are coming to an end of their Hibs careers though and neither should be first choices if we want to improve to third or fourth so I’m out the debate, you’ve other battles to be had :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

I don’t think you’re trolling at all. Gray does put a lot more crosses into the box and looks to beat a man at least also. Both are coming to an end of their Hibs careers though and neither should be first choices if we want to improve to third or fourth so I’m out the debate, you’ve other battles to be had :greengrin

What I like about Gray and getting crosses in, is he gets to the byline, and manages to cut the ball back

[The 90+2]

What I like about Gray and getting crosses in, is he gets to the byline, and manages to cut the ball back

Definitely. He’s a very positive player for a rb.

[MWHIBBIES]

Gray has had 3 assists in the 30 Premiership games he has played. Stevenson has 1 assist in his last 56 Premiership games.

Yes, but that could also be attributed to the poor performances of the team in the last 2 years, a time when Gray has been injured the majority of the time. That is why I've taken their entire time at Hibs.

If Gray had played every week this season I guarentee that wouldn't look so good.

[Ozyhibby]

Gray has had 3 assists in the 30 Premiership games he has played. Stevenson has 1 assist in his last 56 Premiership games.

It’s fair to say the full back positions need an upgrade.


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[MWHIBBIES]

I don’t think you’re trolling at all.
Gray does put a lot more crosses into the box and looks to beat a man at least also. Lewis is the most frustrating wing back ever at times passing back instead of firing in a cross then it usually ends up ball lost.

Both are coming to an end of their Hibs careers though and neither should be first choices if we want to improve to third or fourth so I’m out the debate, you’ve other battles to be had :greengrin

Gray does put in more crosses but its more of a fling enough **** at the wall approach than something to be happy with. Lewis doesn't cross as often but keeps the ball far more often, something that is vitally important. Moves don't end with Lewis anywhere near as much as with Gray.

Neither are good enough to start? Maybe not. One certainly has 2/3 years of very solid, reliable back up who can play 2/3 positions, though.

[The 90+2]

Gray does put in more crosses but its more of a fling enough **** at the wall approach than something to be happy with. Lewis doesn't cross as often but keeps the ball far more often, something that is vitally important. Moves don't end with Lewis anywhere near as much as with Gray.

Neither are good enough to start? Maybe not. One certainly has 2/3 years of very solid, reliable back up who can play 2/3 positions, though.

Moves don’t end because Gray plays the final ball a lot more where as Lewis takes the safe and steady frustrating option of playing back to the defence to build again and then a move hasn’t ended but any attack has.

Agree on the later, Lewis still has a role in the team as a versatile back up. If we start again with him first choice though something will have went wrong again with recruitment.

[Hibeesmad]

It’s fair to say the full back positions need an upgrade.


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Not sure if this has already been mentioned on here but Naismith gave a a very positive interview about us.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/jason-naismith-if-hibs-played-qatar-id-sign-them-fans-are-good-2865487

[MWHIBBIES]

Moves don’t end because Gray plays the final ball a lot more where as Lewis takes the safe and steady frustrating option of playing back to the defence to build again and then a move hasn’t ended but any attack has.

Agree on the later, Lewis still has a role in the team as a versatile back up. If we start again with him first choice though something will have went wrong again with recruitment.

Keeping the ball may be frustrating but it is 100% better than a goal kick for the opposition.

[Hibeesmad]

Not sure if this has already been mentioned on here but Naismith gave a a very positive interview about us.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/jason-naismith-if-hibs-played-qatar-id-sign-them-fans-are-good-2865487

He also managed 4 assists in 13 games 😁

[The 90+2]

Keeping the ball may be frustrating but it is 100% better than a goal kick for the opposition.

It’s not better than crosses that produces goals or keeps the attack alive without being a direct assist though.

[badabing67]

He also managed 4 assists in 13 games 😁

And scored

[we are hibs]

Is it though? Gray sends 80% of crosses out of a goal kick. Can you actually think of Gray putting in many great crosses or proving goals?

Lewis averages an assist every 11.3 games in his career. Gray every 12.7.

Since Gray joined Hibs he has 21 assists in 174 games. One every 8.29 games. In the same time Lewis has 33 in 260 games. One every 7.87 games. Thats including a much higher % of games against Premier league teams

Is it really ludicrous?

(no doubt i'll get called a troll once again :faf: )

Gray sends 80% of his crosses out for a goal kick? Im sure you will be able to back this up.

[Brightside]

Lewis isn’t a better crosser than Gray. That ****s ludicrous.

Neither player are good crossers of the ball bit Lewis has the best conversion rate of our wide players.

[HoboHarry]

Gray sends 80% of his crosses out for a goal kick? Im sure you will be able to back this up.
I doubt he will, it seems to have escaped him that his second sentence completely undermined the first one .

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Id be buzzing if we could somehow get boyle to sign a new contract

A nucleus of Jackson, Porteous, boyle, Allan, hallberg, newell and doidge is decent if we supplement it with a couple quality signings (Docherty 🙏 plus a striker or 2, Full backs and another CB)

Plus the squad players like hanlon, lewy etc

[MWHIBBIES]

Gray sends 80% of his crosses out for a goal kick? Im sure you will be able to back this up.

Yeah, not surprised thats the only bit you replyed to.

[Ozyhibby]

Id be buzzing if we could somehow get boyle to sign a new contract

A nucleus of Jackson, Porteous, boyle, Allan, hallberg, newell and doidge is decent if we supplement it with a couple quality signings (Docherty [emoji120] plus a striker or 2, Full backs and another CB)

Plus the squad players like hanlon, lewy etc

Hallberg hardly played second half of the season? We need midfielders up for a scrap, not sure he is.


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[supermcginn]

Id be buzzing if we could somehow get boyle to sign a new contract

A nucleus of Jackson, Porteous, boyle, Allan, hallberg, newell and doidge is decent if we supplement it with a couple quality signings (Docherty 🙏 plus a striker or 2, Full backs and another CB)

Plus the squad players like hanlon, lewy etc
Hallberg will be gone, Ross doesn't seem to rate him at all.

[bingo70]

Hallberg will be gone, Ross doesn't seem to rate him at all.

Doubt many players will be agreeing to their contract being terminated early.

He might not play much but I’d be surprised if he agreed to a pay off.

[Robbo6-2]

Felt sorry for Hallberg, he got totally bombed after a bad 45mins against Hamilton. Up until then he had been playing well imo and didnt deserve to be totally out picture.

Maybe wasnt performing well in training

[The 90+2]

Hallberg hardly played second half of the season? We need midfielders up for a scrap, not sure he is.


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Agree again. He sounds the part, he’s done zero to show he’s even as good as Slivka.

[The 90+2]

Felt sorry for Hallberg, he got totally bombed after a bad 45mins against Hamilton. Up until then he had been playing well imo and didnt deserve to be totally out picture.

Maybe wasnt performing well in training

He’s done nothing to stand out or show he’s a good player ever. He’s got a good contract so I wouldn’t feel sorry for him.

[HendoDelivered]

He’s done nothing to stand out or show he’s a good player ever. He’s got a good contract so I wouldn’t feel sorry for him.

Another one in the ‘meh’ category.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hallberg hardly played second half of the season? We need midfielders up for a scrap, not sure he is.


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We need quality players. ''Up for a scrap'' is what Livi need. We need quality and that involves more than kicking people.

[The 90+2]

Another one in the ‘meh’ category.

Unfortunately yeah.

[J-C]

Hallberg was played out of position due the fact we didn't recruit a proper DM, he's a box2box player, our midfield this season has been a shambles. We've really struggled to find that combination in the middle since we had the 3 of McGinn/Dylan/Allan, it was always going to be hard to replace them as you'll never get like for like but even Allan apart from the odd brilliant pass has been pretty poor this season.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hallberg was played out of position due the fact we didn't recruit a proper DM, he's a box2box player, our midfield this season has been a shambles. We've really struggled to find that combination in the middle since we had the 3 of McGinn/Dylan/Allan, it was always going to be hard to replace them as you'll never get like for like but even Allan apart from the odd brilliant pass has been pretty poor this season.

Allan has had more goals than any other season of his career. He has certainly done more than the odd pass.

[we are hibs]

Yeah, not surprised thats the only bit you replyed to.

And im not surprised you cant answer the question.

[MWHIBBIES]

And im not surprised you cant answer the question.

Are you? You not surprised I cant go through 174 Hibs games, watching every cross made by Gray?

[Ozyhibby]

We need quality players. ''Up for a scrap'' is what Livi need. We need quality and that involves more than kicking people.

You need midfielders who can put a bit of contact on when we are out of possession. Both McGeogh and Mcginn could do that. They were quality players as well.
Players like Slivka, Hallberg, Mallan are good when we have the ball but when we need to get it back are hopeless. The have. Tendency to just run alongside players without actually attempting to win the ball back.
Both us and Livi need players up for a scrap, we just need better quality ones. and bear in mind we finished below Livi with our quality players.


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[Leitherhibs]

Another stonker of a hibs.net myth that Hallberg isn't good enough - The laddie had a poor 45mins against Hamilton after coming back from an injury and he's been written off by our support. Post Heckingbottom his performances were for the most part very good IMO, 3 that stand out for me below;

1-4 St Johnstone - Very good performance
3-1 Motherwell - MOTM in this game - From various sources - Didn't miss a beat
3-0 Aberdeen - Excellent performance pulling the strings in midfield.

[matty_f]

Another stonker of a hibs.net myth that Hallberg isn't good enough - The laddie had a poor 45mins against Hamilton after coming back from an injury and he's been written off by our support. Post Heckingbottom his performances were for the most part very good IMO, 3 that stand out for me below;

1-4 St Johnstone - Very good performance
3-1 Motherwell - MOTM in this game - From various sources - Didn't miss a beat
3-0 Aberdeen - Excellent performance pulling the strings in midfield.

:agree:

[Leitherhibs]

:agree:

Good to see I'm not alone!

Keep up the great work with the podcast bud, consistently brightens up my week.

[matty_f]

Good to see I'm not alone!

Keep up the great work with the podcast bud, consistently brightens up my week.

Thanks chief. 👍🏻

[The Modfather]

Another stonker of a hibs.net myth that Hallberg isn't good enough - The laddie had a poor 45mins against Hamilton after coming back from an injury and he's been written off by our support. Post Heckingbottom his performances were for the most part very good IMO, 3 that stand out for me below;

1-4 St Johnstone - Very good performance
3-1 Motherwell - MOTM in this game - From various sources - Didn't miss a beat
3-0 Aberdeen - Excellent performance pulling the strings in midfield.

Is it a myth or just people’s opinions? I don’t think he’s a bad player but he’s still got a long way to go to prove he’s anything other than a squad player. At the moment I see him as Slivka MKII. I still don’t know what his role is as don’t think he’s a defensive mid (destroyer or dictator), nor a playmaker. A box to box player, maybe, but haven’t seen much of it (although in his defence he has been asked to play deeper)

[J-C]

Another stonker of a hibs.net myth that Hallberg isn't good enough - The laddie had a poor 45mins against Hamilton after coming back from an injury and he's been written off by our support. Post Heckingbottom his performances were for the most part very good IMO, 3 that stand out for me below;

1-4 St Johnstone - Very good performance
3-1 Motherwell - MOTM in this game - From various sources - Didn't miss a beat
3-0 Aberdeen - Excellent performance pulling the strings in midfield.

👍

[SHODAN]

Hallberg is one of our best midfielders. Thought that was generally the consensus on here? :confused:

[Billy Whizz]

Hallberg is one of our best midfielders. Thought that was generally the consensus on here? :confused:

I agree. I just don’t know where his best position is

[B.H.F.C]

Another stonker of a hibs.net myth that Hallberg isn't good enough - The laddie had a poor 45mins against Hamilton after coming back from an injury and he's been written off by our support. Post Heckingbottom his performances were for the most part very good IMO, 3 that stand out for me below;

1-4 St Johnstone - Very good performance
3-1 Motherwell - MOTM in this game - From various sources - Didn't miss a beat
3-0 Aberdeen - Excellent performance pulling the strings in midfield.

You’ve picked out some good games but, equally, you could pick out plenty of games where he was pretty anonymous.

I wouldn’t be writing him off but he certainly has a lot to prove. By all accounts, he was only playing the role he mostly played because we didn’t sign a player to play that position last year. But they need to figure out what his role in the team will be and he then needs to get some consistency.

[Leitherhibs]

Is it a myth or just people’s opinions? I don’t think he’s a bad player but he’s still got a long way to go to prove he’s anything other than a squad player. At the moment I see him as Slivka MKII. I still don’t know what his role is as don’t think he’s a defensive mid (destroyer or dictator), nor a playmaker. A box to box player, maybe, but haven’t seen much of it (although in his defence he has been asked to play deeper)

I think it becomes a myth when folk seem to reach a consensus of opinion. I think the comparison with Slivka is grossly unfair, Slivka had 3 seasons at Hibs and didn't put together any run of games that showed he was up to it, fleeting good performances against the OF aside.

Where does this obsession we've developed with roles come from? He's a central midfielder, he's a very good passer of the ball, a good athlete and he can take the ball in tight spaces and keep possession - He's not the complete player but we're Hibs we don't sign complete midfield players. I don't feel the need to define players with a role; box to box, playmaker, destroyer or otherwise. A central midfielder is a central midfielder.

[GreenCastle]

Our issue in midfield was the balance.

Allan
Mallan
Hallberg
Vela

Vela was just awful.

Allan and Mallan same role.
Hallberg made to play CDM even though that’s not his best position.

We still don’t have a Bartley / Milligan replacement.

[hibee_girl]

Another stonker of a hibs.net myth that Hallberg isn't good enough - The laddie had a poor 45mins against Hamilton after coming back from an injury and he's been written off by our support. Post Heckingbottom his performances were for the most part very good IMO, 3 that stand out for me below;

1-4 St Johnstone - Very good performance
3-1 Motherwell - MOTM in this game - From various sources - Didn't miss a beat
3-0 Aberdeen - Excellent performance pulling the strings in midfield.

:agree:

[brog]

Are you? You not surprised I cant go through 174 Hibs games, watching every cross made by Gray?

So why say he hits 80% of his crosses out of play then when you know it's a made up number? You weaken your decent point by including this statement.

[supermcginn]

Hallberg is one of our best midfielders. Thought that was generally the consensus on here? :confused:

He's not started the last 11 games and not even been in the squad for some of them so the manager clearly doesn't agree.

[Billy Whizz]

He's not started the last 11 games and not even been in the squad for some of them so the manager clearly doesn't agree.

He was ill, hence the reason he wasn’t in the squads

[Gmack7]

i would take a straight swap with Kamberi and Docherty. is the Barker inclusion reported anywhere or a wish list as that would be great deal. wages would most likely Kybosh this particular wish

[B.H.F.C]

I think it becomes a myth when folk seem to reach a consensus of opinion. I think the comparison with Slivka is grossly unfair, Slivka had 3 seasons at Hibs and didn't put together any run of games that showed he was up to it, fleeting good performances against the OF aside.

Where does this obsession we've developed with roles come from? He's a central midfielder, he's a very good passer of the ball, a good athlete and he can take the ball in tight spaces and keep possession - He's not the complete player but we're Hibs we don't sign complete midfield players. I don't feel the need to define players with a role; box to box, playmaker, destroyer or otherwise. A central midfielder is a central midfielder.

If we can’t sign an all round midfield player, does that not demonstrate the need to get players who can play a defined role? Otherwise, there is no balance and players end up trying to do things they’re not good at. There is no point in asking Steve Mallan to run after folk and tackle them, much as there wouldn’t have been any point in asking Marvin Bartley to play higher up the pitch and be creative.

[The Modfather]

I think it becomes a myth when folk seem to reach a consensus of opinion. I think the comparison with Slivka is grossly unfair, Slivka had 3 seasons at Hibs and didn't put together any run of games that showed he was up to it, fleeting good performances against the OF aside.

Where does this obsession we've developed with roles come from? He's a central midfielder, he's a very good passer of the ball, a good athlete and he can take the ball in tight spaces and keep possession - He's not the complete player but we're Hibs we don't sign complete midfield players. I don't feel the need to define players with a role; box to box, playmaker, destroyer or otherwise. A central midfielder is a central midfielder.

To be fair to Hallberg, as I mentioned, he had been asked to play a defensive midfield role owing to the failure of our recruitment. So when he can play his natural game (which I’m still not sure I know what that is) he might show what he is really capable of. So far, I can’t help but shake the feeling we’ll still be saying there’s a player in there somewhere and he leaves in a year or two having never fully convinced.

The defined roles, for my part anyway, comes from trying to articulate elements we can all see are missing from the midfield, e.g. energy, tackling and dig. We had the perfect blend of midfielders in Allan, McGinn & McGeough (someone sitting deep and taking the ball, a true box to box midfielder & a creative player) who all complimented each other. That blend, for me, is what we should aim to replicate. Since that midfield 3 we’ve had Docherty, Omeonga, Slivka, Hallberg, Mallan, Vela, Newell who all fit the “central midfielder” role, but as a result we’ve seen that with whatever combination the midfield has been soft, imbalanced and largely anonymous out of possession.

[Leitherhibs]

If we can’t sign an all round midfield player, does that not demonstrate the need to get players who can play a defined role? Otherwise, there is no balance and players end up trying to do things they’re not good at. There is no point in asking Steve Mallan to run after folk and tackle them, much as there wouldn’t have been any point in asking Marvin Bartley to play higher up the pitch and be creative.


There's an important distinction to be made between all-round (i.e jack of all trades) midfielder and being proficient at it all. My point was that Hallberg has some very visible strengths, but is by no means a 'complete' midfield player, but then none of ours are close. I get that difference in where players play in the centre midfield, deep versus attacking but don't buy into needing the obsession with a balance of roles - Of which there are many - And they seem to growing!

[Leitherhibs]

To be fair to Hallberg, as I mentioned, he had been asked to play a defensive midfield role owing to the failure of our recruitment. So when he can play his natural game (which I’m still not sure I know what that is) he might show what he is really capable of. So far, I can’t help but shake the feeling we’ll still be saying there’s a player in there somewhere and he leaves in a year or two having never fully convinced.

The defined roles, for my part anyway, comes from trying to articulate elements we can all see are missing from the midfield, e.g. energy, tackling and dig. We had the perfect blend of midfielders in Allan, McGinn & McGeough (someone sitting deep and taking the ball, a true box to box midfielder & a creative player) who all complimented each other. That blend, for me, is what we should aim to replicate. Since that midfield 3 we’ve had Docherty, Omeonga, Slivka, Hallberg, Mallan, Vela, Newell who all fit the “central midfielder” role, but as a result we’ve seen that with whatever combination the midfield has been soft, imbalanced and largely anonymous out of possession.

Lets hope he's around to play next season in a more balanced midfield, with a coach who knows his erse from his elbow and given a run of 10 games and then we can make a reasoned judgement :agree:

[supermcginn]

He was ill, hence the reason he wasn’t in the squads

I think it's obvious Ross doesn't rate him.

[MWHIBBIES]

So why say he hits 80% of his crosses out of play then when you know it's a made up number? You weaken your decent point by including this statement.

Yeah, I'm the only one who has backed anything up with real facts but I'm the one with the weakened point.

[MWHIBBIES]

You need midfielders who can put a bit of contact on when we are out of possession. Both McGeogh and Mcginn could do that. They were quality players as well.
Players like Slivka, Hallberg, Mallan are good when we have the ball but when we need to get it back are hopeless. The have. Tendency to just run alongside players without actually attempting to win the ball back.
Both us and Livi need players up for a scrap, we just need better quality ones. and bear in mind we finished below Livi with our quality players.


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I agree. But Quality players do much more than dig. Plenty of quality players don't run around kicking people. They are still quality.

Livi finished above us because they have a pitch only they can play on. Nothing else.

[Squealing pig]

Wasn’t it reported that barker was on 10k or more p/w no danger we will get him , he’ll be away back down south and we will have dodged a bullet . Not a patch on Boyle btw ..

[Ozyhibby]

I agree. But Quality players do much more than dig. Plenty of quality players don't run around kicking people. They are still quality.

Livi finished above us because they have a pitch only they can play on. Nothing else.

I totally agree with you on both points.
I’m not looking for players to go round kicking people but I do want them to be able to go shoulder to shoulder with the opposition and not be bullied all over the place. Nobody could accuse McGeogh of going around kicking people but he could look after himself in midfield.


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[Aldo]

Let’s not forgot that evening under the floodlights when SDG made a horses arse of his first attempt only for his second attempt, and superb one at that, to be smashed into the roof of the net by Cummings..... the rest is history!


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[J-C]

I totally agree with you on both points.
I’m not looking for players to go round kicking people but I do want them to be able to go shoulder to shoulder with the opposition and not be bullied all over the place. Nobody could accuse McGeogh of going around kicking people but he could look after himself in midfield.


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McGinn was strong as an ox and had talent in abundance, he didn't shirk any 50-50 tackles, Dylan not as strong but a clever player, he knew how to handle himself, a bit like wee Omeonga. We had a great blend which doesn't happen very often.

[Lago]

i would take a straight swap with Kamberi and Docherty. is the Barker inclusion reported anywhere or a wish list as that would be great deal. wages would most likely Kybosh this particular wish

I'm sure I read some where that Docherty doesn't want to leave rangers.

[MWHIBBIES]

Let’s not forgot that evening under the floodlights when SDG made a horses arse of his first attempt only for his second attempt, and superb one at that, to be smashed into the roof of the net by Cummings..... the rest is history!


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Yeah. But without Lewis' 2 assists against Raith we'd have been watching Corrie that night :greengrin

[Posh Hibby]

I liked Brandon Barker a lot when he played for us but he seems to have featured little since he left us. Anyone know if he has had injuries? Seem to remember he was a player that suffered from hamstring injuries a lot, but might have just made that up.

2 goals in 20 app for PNE
1 goal in 10 app for Rangers.

A season long loan for him might make sense.

[Vault Boy]

Our issue in midfield was the balance.

Allan
Mallan
Hallberg
Vela

Vela was just awful.

Allan and Mallan same role.
Hallberg made to play CDM even though that’s not his best position.

We still don’t have a Bartley / Milligan replacement.

Spot on. Balance should be the keyword for our entire recruitment drive for next season.

Even accounting for injuries, having 5 right backs and 1 left back on the books was absolute madness.

[Hibeesmad]

Report today that Simon Murray has spoken to three Scottish Premiership clubs.

[The 90+2]

I think it's obvious Ross doesn't rate him.

It’s obvious Omeonga and Docherty are miles better.

[Brightside]

Report today that Simon Murray has spoken to three Scottish Premiership clubs.

So not hearts?

[The 90+2]

So not hearts?

😂😂😂

[supermcginn]

It’s obvious Omeonga and Docherty are miles better.

I agree.

[Hibeesmad]

So not hearts?

😁

[offshorehibby]

The Sun reporting Aberdeen interested in the guy Alex Gogic

[badabing67]

I'm sure I read some where that Docherty doesn't want to leave rangers.

I don't think he will get the choice Rangers are gonna have a clear out doubt he'll be in Gerrards plans

[MWHIBBIES]

I don't think he will get the choice Rangers are gonna have a clear out doubt he'll be in Gerrards plans

Hes under contract, he has the only say.

[JammyDoidger]

Probably the single most pathetic thing that people continue to say about players on this board.

peronally the minimum I expect is a bit of fight. Something I never seen from Brandon barker. Dipping his toe in, and pulling out of challenges was the norm for him.

[Franck Stanton]

So not hearts?

Made me 😃

[Aldo]

Yeah. But without Lewis' 2 assists against Raith we'd have been watching Corrie that night :greengrin

Indeed we would have [emoji471]


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[JimboHibs]

Zero to chat about transfer wise so as usual it becomes the get ripped into a few of our players thread.

[badabing67]

Hes under contract, he has the only say.

That's true he is under contract, but what is he going do! Sit there till his contract runs out & walk away for free. I don't think he'll get any game time there. Him, Barker or Middleton for that matter. If he goes back he'll get put out on loan again, so what can he say really even if he is under contract.

[Keyser Sauzee]

That's true he is under contract, but what is he going do! Sit there till his contract runs out & walk away for free. I don't think he'll get any game time there. Him, Barker or Middleton for that matter. If he goes back he'll get put out on loan again, so what can he say really even if he is under contract.

He can do exactly what u have said in your post, sit and run down his contract regardless of wether they want him to agree to void his contract or if they want him to go out on loan, he can reject both options and sit in the reserves and pick up a wage, not that I am saying he should do that but it’s entirely his choice. The club either needs to wait for the contract to end or hope he breaches something in the contract which gives them the right to terminate it. Once players sign contracts they, unfortunately, have the vast majority of power.

[badabing67]

He can do exactly what u have said in your post, sit and run down his contract regardless of wether they want him to agree to void his contract or if they want him to go out on loan, he can reject both options and sit in the reserves and pick up a wage, not that I am saying he should do that but it’s entirely his choice. The club either needs to wait for the contract to end or hope he breaches something in the contract which gives them the right to terminate it. Once players sign contracts they, unfortunately, have the vast majority of power.

I doubt Docherty is going to do that though, he is professional and ambitious. He will need to be realistic, although he has said he wants stay at Rangers it's probably not the best option for his development. He really needs to weigh up his options carefully.

[MWHIBBIES]

I doubt Docherty is going to do that though, he is professional and ambitious. He will need to be realistic, although he has said he wants stay at Rangers it's probably not the best option for his development. He really needs to weigh up his options carefully.

Going to or staying at Rangers is often not the best choice for someone. Plenty still do it

[Keyser Sauzee]

I doubt Docherty is going to do that though, he is professional and ambitious. He will need to be realistic, although he has said he wants stay at Rangers it's probably not the best option for his development. He really needs to weigh up his options carefully.

I agree that it’s not the best option for his progression, but that’s pretty irrelevant if the player is determined to stay, it’s upto him and him alone unfortunately.

[we are hibs]

😂

[Gloucester Hibs]

😂

Silly season!

[Aldo]

[emoji23]

£10 million and it’s a deal


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[SHODAN]

😂

Don't Turkish clubs have a track record of offering players silly money and then just not paying it? He should steer clear.

[calumhibee1]

Article claims German teams are watching him as well which wouldn’t be as far fetched with that Bates going to Hamburg recently and so many English young players heading there.

[Stuart93]

If this is true I want silly money offered before we even think about it

[04Sauzee]

Article claims German teams are watching him as well which wouldn’t be as far fetched with that Bates going to Hamburg recently and so many English young players heading there.

Did Bates not end up at Sheffield Wednesday on loan and not get a game. Agreed though Germany looks like a good place to learn your trade.

[stuart-farquhar]

Did Bates not end up at Sheffield Wednesday on loan and not get a game. Agreed though Germany looks like a good place to learn your trade.

Auf Wiedersehen, Pet. Proved it back in the 80's

[Jones28]

If this is true I want silly money offered before we even think about it

£3 million?

[Stuart93]

£3 million?

Even sillier.

His deal runs until 2023 and he’s one of Scotland’s brightest prospects. Chuck a hooped shirt on him and they’d be asking for £20m

It’s time we started inflating the price of our players.

[Jones28]

Even sillier.

His deal runs until 2023 and he’s one of Scotland’s brightest prospects. Chuck a hooped shirt on him and they’d be asking for £20m

It’s time we started inflating the price of our players.

Totally agree.

If Aberdeen can demand £7million for that buddy McKenna than Porteous has got to be going for more.

[Brightside]

Article claims German teams are watching him as well which wouldn’t be as far fetched with that Bates going to Hamburg recently and so many English young players heading there.

What a load of pish... they'd have struggled to watch much of him for the past 12 months! He like any good young player will be on their scouting list.

[Bobby's Cinema]

where’s Gary Hooper these days

[Jones28]

where’s Gary Hooper these days

Sheffield Wednesday last I knew.

[neil7908]

I don't want to lose him but I think a spell in Germany would be brilliant for his development. He's a great prospect but is still very raw and it would be the perfect place for him to learn the more technical sides of the game.

[MWHIBBIES]

Totally agree.

If Aberdeen can demand £7million for that buddy McKenna than Porteous has got to be going for more.

Why does he have to be more?

[Jones28]

Why does he have to be more?

He’s better than McKenna imo

[we are hibs]

He’s better than McKenna imo

Hes far better than him. McKenna must be the most over rated player in Scotland.

[Forza Fred]

where’s Gary Hooper these days

Playing part of the game for Wellington Phoenix in the A League.

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s better than McKenna imo

Oh. Dunno if thats true. He is our 3rd choice central defender. I haven't seen much of McKenna but Porteous isn't worth half of 7 million.

[Unseen work]

Barker - Of course he’s a good player with a lot of potential however he is made of glass and is very rarely fit. If he was to come to us it would have to be a cheap deal or pay as you play which I can’t see him wanting.

Porteous - All the potential too but he really needs to stop making the same stupid mistakes and rash challenges. The bad tackles completely ruin his reputation and put a dent on how good a player he is. Not worth 7m but neither was McKenna imo. I’m not the biggest fan of McKenna but he is solid and reliable...Porteous needs a full season injury free and consistent before he gets to this imo.

[Jones28]

Oh. Dunno if thats true. He is our 3rd choice central defender. I haven't seen much of McKenna but Porteous isn't worth half of 7 million.

It doesn’t really matter though, because if Aberdeen say McKenna is worth that, why can’t we say what Porto is worth?

[CMurdoch]

What a load of pish... they'd have struggled to watch much of him for the past 12 months! He like any good young player will be on their scouting list.

Is the correct answer.
Every good young player in Europe and probably the World will be on the lists of and monitored to some extent by Europe's big clubs. They are all looking for potential to buy cheap, develop further and use in their team before selling for a big profit. Porteous fits the profile.

He could take a chance and go elsewhere 1 or 2 years down the track or he could stay and become the new Mr Hibs.
My only fear for Porto is his knee injuries. His knee might never be totally right again or could be a recurring issue throughout his career. Fingers firmly crossed on that one.
As usual time will give us all the answers.

[MrRobot]

Another stonker of a hibs.net myth that Hallberg isn't good enough - The laddie had a poor 45mins against Hamilton after coming back from an injury and he's been written off by our support. Post Heckingbottom his performances were for the most part very good IMO, 3 that stand out for me below;

1-4 St Johnstone - Very good performance
3-1 Motherwell - MOTM in this game - From various sources - Didn't miss a beat
3-0 Aberdeen - Excellent performance pulling the strings in midfield.

Absolutely is good enough.

Was being played out of position to make up for our lack of a defensive midfielder.

[thebausburst]

Barker - no thanks, glass man with heart of a mouse the end.

[supermcginn]

Absolutely is good enough.

Was being played out of position to make up for our lack of a defensive midfielder.

You are easy pleased. Doesn't seem to be a great tackler, creator or goalscorer. Slivka had more to his game.

[Smartie]

What exactly are Galatasaray "watching" Porteous do?

Masturbate, eat and watch Netflix?

[HendoDelivered]

I had a weird dream last night we ended up signing Nisbet from Dunf and Underscore knew the ins and outs of it. Was pretty strange 😂

Wouldn’t mind it being a reality as pars will be desperate for cash.

[Wilson]

What exactly are Galatasaray "watching" Porteous do?

Masturbate, eat and watch Netflix?

That's some thorough scouting.

[Wilson]

Oh. Dunno if thats true. He is our 3rd choice central defender. I haven't seen much of McKenna but Porteous isn't worth half of 7 million.

Neither is McKenns - which I think is the point.

[Lendo]

What exactly are Galatasaray "watching" Porteous do?

Masturbate, eat and watch Netflix?

If that’s what they’re looking for then I’m available, and I’ll play for half the wages.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

What exactly are Galatasaray "watching" Porteous do?

Masturbate, eat and watch Netflix?

In that case they could have signed me for half the money!

[JohnMcM]

Barker - Of course he’s a good player with a lot of potential however he is made of glass and is very rarely fit. If he was to come to us it would have to be a cheap deal or pay as you play which I can’t see him wanting.

Porteous - All the potential too but he really needs to stop making the same stupid mistakes and rash challenges. The bad tackles completely ruin his reputation and put a dent on how good a player he is. Not worth 7m but neither was McKenna imo. I’m not the biggest fan of McKenna but he is solid and reliable...Porteous needs a full season injury free and consistent before he gets to this imo.

Future Celtic captain then?

[NC1875]

Oh. Dunno if thats true. He is our 3rd choice central defender. I haven't seen much of McKenna but Porteous isn't worth half of 7 million.

3rd behind who ?

[MWHIBBIES]

3rd behind who ?

Jackson and Hanlon, both been better last season.

[JimBHibees]

Barker - no thanks, glass man with heart of a mouse the end.

Nonsense.

[MWHIBBIES]

Barker is the only winger I've seen who just refused to ever run in behind. He wanted everything to feet. I never thought he was that good really.

[JimBHibees]

Hes far better than him. McKenna must be the most over rated player in Scotland.

Not convinced tbh. Still to prove that imo.

[Leitherhibs]

You are easy pleased. Doesn't seem to be a great tackler, creator or goalscorer. Slivka had more to his game.

He’s a very good passer of the ball, can take in tight spaces and seems to read the game pretty well despite being used apparently out of position, which of the above category would you say mcginn fell into? Excellent midfielder but for me not a ‘great’ tackler, creator or goalscorer but good enough to be your username.

[Hibee Mac]

Barker is the only winger I've seen who just refused to ever run in behind. He wanted everything to feet. I never thought he was that good really.

That was his biggest weakness I think, fair enough he was really good at beating people but surely it's only a good thing to have some added variation to your game, instead he was very much a one trick pony, albeit a very good one trick.

[660]

Barker is the only winger I've seen who just refused to ever run in behind. He wanted everything to feet. I never thought he was that good really.

Given you have almost habitually awful opinions, I’m willing to take him back on this post alone.

[cammy1969]

Barker is the only winger I've seen who just refused to ever run in behind. He wanted everything to feet. I never thought he was that good really.

Testing my memory but sure Micky weir liked it to his feet as did wee crunchy


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[Rumble de Thump]

Not convinced tbh. Still to prove that imo.

Scott McKenna still needs to prove he's as good as Scott Mckenna.

[MWHIBBIES]

Testing my memory but sure Micky weir liked it to his feet as did wee crunchy


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Never seen either of them