Summer 2020-21 transfer thread

[J-C]

Thats not a fact.

Global warming is an example of a fact. So is the big bang.

Hibs defence hasn't been good enough. They haven't been hopeless either.

Erm the Big Bang is a theory and not fact, sorry for being pedantic.

[Brightside]

I don’t understand how it could be argued against tbh. lightweight, slow and ponderous. It can only be a lot of sentiment but that doesn’t win football games.

It can be argued against cause it’s pish.

[Brightside]

The problem is that some players can never really be taught to do the defensive side of the business & I'm not sure they should be. Scott Allan, & to a lesser extent Stevie M are never going to be effective at marking & tackling. If you ask them to do that then they're probably not going to be in the right area of the field to deliver a defence splitting pass or a 20 yard shot which is why they're in the team. Creative players who can tackle are extremely rare which is why SJM is now valued so highly & he's probably our first of that type since Cropley. It's all about getting the balance right which is the most difficult task in football management & I agree we've not shone at that in the recent past. I wouldn't blame it all on our recruitment, Vela for example looked like just what we needed. Gogic would hopefully be a step forward but (here's where I now lose credibility), I think Tom James may be worth a try as a defensive midfielder. He's too slow & exposed as a full back but I think he's a decent footballer & he has an explosive shot. If he still has 2 years on his contract I think its worth a shot. Jackson is another possibility for that role or play a back 3. I agree we can't continue to play the same back 4 without effective protection from the midfield & attack.

Defending isn’t just about tackling though. Everyone on the team needs to defend, needs to work hard, needs to track runners. It doesn’t matter how good you are in the final 3rd you still have to defend and fight hard to get the ball back. Our team has had too many players like that recently. That’s the issue.

[Lago]

Erm the Big Bang is a theory and not fact, sorry for being pedantic.
At last something that made me smile amid all the doom & gloom thses days 👍

[CockneyRebel]

Erm the Big Bang is a theory and not fact, sorry for being pedantic.

Fact! My Mrs watches it nearly every day on the telly.

[brog]

Defending isn’t just about tackling though. Everyone on the team needs to defend, needs to work hard, needs to track runners. It doesn’t matter how good you are in the final 3rd you still have to defend and fight hard to get the ball back. Our team has had too many players like that recently. That’s the issue.

I agree but it's never going to happen with Scotty so if you want him in your team then you have to compensate elsewhere.

[J-C]

Fact! My Mrs watches it nearly every day on the telly.

👍😂

[Ozyhibby]

Defending isn’t just about tackling though. Everyone on the team needs to defend, needs to work hard, needs to track runners. It doesn’t matter how good you are in the final 3rd you still have to defend and fight hard to get the ball back. Our team has had too many players like that recently. That’s the issue.

100% agree. Can’t remember the last time any of our midfielders managed to put some contact on anyone. All great when we have the ball, not so much when we don’t. Really bad balance at the club.


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[sean04]

Dundee Utd have money and will spend a decent amount this summer. We might struggle to compete financially if they really want him

[The 90+2]

It can be argued against cause it’s pish.

In the opinion of one or two 👍

[Stuart93]

Dundee Utd have money and will spend a decent amount this summer. We might struggle to compete financially if they really want him

So will we though. If we really want him I think we’d get him

[SHODAN]

Dundee Utd have money and will spend a decent amount this summer. We might struggle to compete financially if they really want him

There always seems to be a club in Scotland with money every season, and it's never us.

[Billy Whizz]

There always seems to be a club in Scotland with money every season, and it's never us.

United’s revenue is going up massively, where as Hibs and most others, are going down

[SHODAN]

United’s revenue is going up massively, where as Hibs and most others, are going down

Granted, but they're coming from a much lower starting point than we are on just now.

It's just disappointing to read that there may be another club in Scotland that could outbid us for wages, and even if they spend outwith their means Hearts have proven that there really is no penalty. Administration, relegated, clear all the debts, back up and back to normal.

[MWHIBBIES]

United’s revenue is going up massively, where as Hibs and most others, are going down

We've already sold more seasons than they'll have average attendance.

[sean04]

There always seems to be a club in Scotland with money every season, and it's never us.

I think we’re very comfortable for money and revenue but Dundee Utds owners seem very adventurous and they have showed they can push the boat out with Shankland

[number9dream]

As others have pointed out, it seems likely Dundee United are looking to replace Shankland with KN and hoping to turn a tidy profit on both.
They will have done great business with LS if they can add 2 or 3 million on top of promotion.

Anyhoo, back to the matter at hand. I'm not sure we'll be doing much business unless we move people on.
Is Shanley likely to be considered? It's a mighty step up from Civil Service Strollers. Could Fraser Murray do a job as 'second striker' up beside Doidge?

[Unseen work]

Do united have that much money? Shankland will be on a decent enough wage, especially for someone that was in the championship. But the rest of their players are average and I imagine won’t cost much.

Allan
Marciano
Mallan
Horgan
Kamberi
Newall
Doidge

We have spent a bit on players that have came from England with a good reputation too - Vela, James, Horgan etc

They will all be on a pretty good wage. Even the likes of Docherty and Mcnulty when they were on loan.

[Billy Whizz]

We've already sold more seasons than they'll have average attendance.

As it stands, our cost base, is in line with an ave attendance of 17,000 paying customers plus hospitality etc
So we’re around 9,000 paying customers down per home match, which is a hell of an amount of money Hibs need to find
United possibly looking to off load Shankland for top dollar, will maybe fund another striker
No idea what we’ll get for Flo, and if it will get reinvested in a transfer fee for another striker

[MWHIBBIES]

As it stands, our cost base, is in line with an ave attendance of 17,000 paying customers plus hospitality etc
So we’re around 9,000 paying customers down per home match, which is a hell of an amount of money Hibs need to find
United possibly looking to off load Shankland for top dollar, will maybe fund another striker
No idea what we’ll get for Flo, and if it will get reinvested in a transfer fee for another striker

Right but there is no way without owner investment they have more money than us. They can offload Shankland for whatever they like, they won't get more than we did for McGinn and look how difficult replacing him has been.

[Billy Whizz]

Right but there is no way without owner investment they have more money than us. They can offload Shankland for whatever they like, they won't get more than we did for McGinn and look how difficult replacing him has been.

Bearing in mind their wages to turn over last season was around 120%, looks like their owner likes to take a risk to move forward
I’m not sure I want our club to go down that way
I’m sure Hibs maybe wanting to move a few on, this is the way we can balance our squad

[Bishop Hibee]

I think the hard times will definitely mean we sell Boyle unfortunately. There have to be some bargains from clubs in a far worse financial position than us in Scotland and down south I’d have thought.

[erin go bragh]

As it stands, our cost base, is in line with an ave attendance of 17,000 paying customers plus hospitality etc
So we’re around 9,000 paying customers down per home match, which is a hell of an amount of money Hibs need to find
United possibly looking to off load Shankland for top dollar, will maybe fund another striker
No idea what we’ll get for Flo, and if it will get reinvested in a transfer fee for another striker
I thought our cost base was closer to 12,000 paying customers Billy . Pretty sure that was the figure I heard , granted it was a couple of years ago but surely it can’t have went up that much .
I think we will get close to 12,000 season ticket holders this season .

[B.H.F.C]

I think the hard times will definitely mean we sell Boyle unfortunately. There have to be some bargains from clubs in a far worse financial position than us in Scotland and down south I’d have thought.

I’m of the opposite opinion re Boyle. Because of the times I think we’re unlikely to get an offer which outweighs the value of having him on the pitch for a year. I think it would be virtually impossible to get someone capable of coming in and having the kind of impact on the team he does right away. Unless we get a ridiculous offer (which I don’t think we’ll get) I don’t think we can sell.

[Billy Whizz]

I thought our cost base was closer to 12,000 paying customers Billy . Pretty sure that was the figure I heard , granted it was a couple of years ago but surely it can’t have went up that much .
I think we will get close to 12,000 season ticket holders this season .

I hope we do. Point I was making egb, was our revenue is massive down until we increase our season ticket sales, and get fans back into grounds
So we need to be prudent with our transfer spend

[Hibernian Verse]

I thought our cost base was closer to 12,000 paying customers Billy . Pretty sure that was the figure I heard , granted it was a couple of years ago but surely it can’t have went up that much .
I think we will get close to 12,000 season ticket holders this season .

Especially when we vote to send them down tomorrow.

[jacomo]

United’s revenue is going up massively, where as Hibs and most others, are going down


It’s not their revenue but their willingness to over invest.

No idea how sustainable Dundee Utd’s spending spree or if it will continue this summer. It can’t last forever.

[007 Mickey Weir]

It’s not their revenue but their willingness to over invest.

No idea how sustainable Dundee Utd’s spending spree or if it will continue this summer. It can’t last forever.

Spending spree?? Who have they bought that we would. Shankland is only one. We spent big in the championship to come up.

Just because they are rumoured to be interested doesn’t mean they are going to get players like Nisbet over us.

Agent talk my guess.

Once the vote is sorted and that mob are down we will hopefully have players back on full pay and the ability to start signing. Gogic and the winger who has just left St Js. That would be a nice start.

Then maybe Nisbet, Naismith, Docherty and Omeonga in once Flo is sold.

[badabing67]

Spending spree?? Who have they bought that we would. Shankland is only one. We spent big in the championship to come up.

Just because they are rumoured to be interested doesn’t mean they are going to get players like Nisbet over us.

Agent talk my guess.

Once the vote is sorted and that mob are down we will hopefully have players back on full pay and the ability to start signing. Gogic and the winger who has just left St Js. That would be a nice start.

Then maybe Nisbet, Naismith, Docherty and Omeonga in once Flo is sold.

Docherty & Omeonga that would be alright. I think we will get Omeonga, if not in the summer he will probably sign a pre-contract in January hopefully it works out like Paul McGinn did this January if we can't get him in before. I think any chance of Docherty coming back now was lost when they lost interest in Flo. Remember Docherty cost them 600k.

[Ozyhibby]

Do united have that much money? Shankland will be on a decent enough wage, especially for someone that was in the championship. But the rest of their players are average and I imagine won’t cost much.

Allan
Marciano
Mallan
Horgan
Kamberi
Newall
Doidge

We have spent a bit on players that have came from England with a good reputation too - Vela, James, Horgan etc

They will all be on a pretty good wage. Even the likes of Docherty and Mcnulty when they were on loan.

The problem we have is that England is the most expensive market in the world for buying players from. You get very little value for money in that market. It’s why we often lose in Europe to teams with much smaller budgets.


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[Heisenberg]

Naismith wanting a shot at Peterborough. Might be a bit harsh but I hope Paul McGinn isn’t our first choice for next season.

https://t.co/vtfv8Qo4Y7

[Ozyhibby]

Naismith wanting a shot at Peterborough. Might be a bit harsh but I hope Paul McGinn isn’t our first choice for next season.

https://t.co/vtfv8Qo4Y7

Naismith is the best of the right backs we had last season. Unfortunately the other three are under contract and money is now very tight. We can’t really justify signing him when there are other areas needing attention.
I think McGinn will be our right back this season.


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[flash]

Naismith wanting a shot at Peterborough. Might be a bit harsh but I hope Paul McGinn isn’t our first choice for next season.

https://t.co/vtfv8Qo4Y7

The only reason for this has to be we have told him we aren't in a position to sign him.

[oneone73]

The only reason for this has to be we have told him we aren't in a position to sign him.

Or it could be Barry Fry talking bollocks. Been known to happen.

[Billy Whizz]

The only reason for this has to be we have told him we aren't in a position to sign him.

100%

[J-C]

The only reason for this has to be we have told him we aren't in a position to sign him.

Gray's fitness may be much better due to the rest, McGinn is still a decent option and James has 2 years left on his deal, RB is not a priority.

[04Sauzee]

When are Hibs due back in for training? I guessing we will be seeing them back in small groups?
I wonder if Gogic will be there?

[we are hibs]

When are Hibs due back in for training? I guessing we will be seeing them back in small groups?
I wonder if Gogic will be there?

Today

[B.H.F.C]

Gray's fitness may be much better due to the rest, McGinn is still a decent option and James has 2 years left on his deal, RB is not a priority.

We have bodies but quality/availability is an issue.

Because we have three contracted players I don’t think we’ll look at it though.

[Since452]

Or it could be Barry Fry talking bollocks. Been known to happen.

Was about to post the same

[Wilson]

Today

According to Iain Collin in The Sun (I know) hibs are waiting another week before returning to training.

[we are hibs]

St.Mirren have offered Gogic a deal.


https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-gogic-st-mirren-18421479.amp?__twitter_impression=true

[Jones28]

Gray's fitness may be much better due to the rest, McGinn is still a decent option and James has 2 years left on his deal, RB is not a priority.

It is if we want any sort of service from our full backs.

[Stuart93]

St.Mirren have offered Gogic a deal.


https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-gogic-st-mirren-18421479.amp?__twitter_impression=true

****sake. If we’ve been in contact he’s surely not choosing them.

[Andy74]

****sake. If we’ve been in contact he’s surely not choosing them.

Depends - if we can't sign players just now he might not want to wait if he gets an immediate offer from them.

[Vault Boy]

****sake. If we’ve been in contact he’s surely not choosing them.

Guy who wrote this still has Hibs as favourites.

[Stuart93]

Depends - if we can't sign players just now he might not want to wait if he gets an immediate offer from them.

Surely he can wait another week at most until our players are back on full pay?

[easty]

St.Mirren have offered Gogic a deal.


https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-gogic-st-mirren-18421479.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Some folk were getting a bit over-excited about the prospect of Gogic signing. Wouldn't surprise me to see him at St Mirren, that's about his level.

[04Sauzee]

Some folk were getting a bit over-excited about the prospect of Gogic signing. Wouldn't surprise me to see him at St Mirren, that's about his level.

Imagine other people having a different opinion to yours

[Vault Boy]

Some folk were getting a bit over-excited about the prospect of Gogic signing. Wouldn't surprise me to see him at St Mirren, that's about his level.

He was already a standout at that level though, that suggests he can perform for a team further up in the same league. Most interceptions in the entire league.

I haven't seen much overhype myself.

[B.H.F.C]

Some folk were getting a bit over-excited about the prospect of Gogic signing. Wouldn't surprise me to see him at St Mirren, that's about his level.

I get where you’re coming from.

He seems to have developed some reputation. He might sign and turn out to be a brilliant player for us but, if his big move at the age of 26 is to St Mirren, that would maybe tell a bit of a story.

Time will tell. I don’t really have an overly positive or negative opinion on him.

[easty]

Imagine other people having a different opinion to yours

Yep, that's basically what I said. Good one you. Good one :aok:

[04Sauzee]

Yep, that's basically what I said. Good one you. Good one :aok:

Hearts are down im not going to get in a spat 😁

[Ozyhibby]

Gogic is better than any holding mid we have at Hibs. Doesn’t mean he is the only one out there but he would make us better than we are.


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[Brightside]

Gogic is better than any holding mid we have at Hibs. Doesn’t mean he is the only one out there but he would make us better than we are.


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Well we don’t have any. 😂

[Tambo]

I see Robertson has signed a new deal at ITC till 2023, so doubt he wants the hearts job.

[CapitalGreen]

****sake. If we’ve been in contact he’s surely not choosing them.

I’d be more concerned if we were signing players no one else was interested in.

[Radium]

According to Iain Collin in The Sun (I know) hibs are waiting another week before returning to training.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/9f9c5083047660cda137cb2c5bd91258.jpg
Could the extra week simply be an expectation that it will be easier to start training during phase II.

Presuming that much of what could be done this week will be covered by the individual training plans.

Just speculation on my part but lots of positive noises around an announcement for phase II this Thursday

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making-scotlands-route-map-through-out-crisis-phase-1-update/pages/4/


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[The Modfather]

Should we buy Hickey now with James Anderson’s money?

[Posh Hibby]

Should we buy Hickey now with James Anderson’s money?

Might as well bid £50k. :greengrin

[Heisenberg]

Can forget spending any transfer fees this summer then. Craig Samson also replacing Alan Combe.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5703714/hibs-wage-cut-talks-first-team/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592224597

[Stuart93]

Can forget spending any transfer fees this summer then. Craig Samson also replacing Alan Combe.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5703714/hibs-wage-cut-talks-first-team/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592224597

We don’t usually get to enjoy hearts’ downfall without some ***** news of our own

[HendoDelivered]

Can forget spending any transfer fees this summer then. Craig Samson also replacing Alan Combe.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5703714/hibs-wage-cut-talks-first-team/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592224597

Anyone who thought we would be escaping this was foolish.

[The 90+2]

The only reason for this has to be we have told him we aren't in a position to sign him.

Or that Peterborough aren’t willing to release him without a fee. Of course he’s going to be professional and trim with them.

[The 90+2]

Can forget spending any transfer fees this summer then. Craig Samson also replacing Alan Combe.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5703714/hibs-wage-cut-talks-first-team/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592224597

Does that mean my quiz answer earlier was incorrect?

[The Modfather]

Can forget spending any transfer fees this summer then. Craig Samson also replacing Alan Combe.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5703714/hibs-wage-cut-talks-first-team/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592224597

Seems fair enough. Our intention was to pay the players what they were due as COVID 19 wasn’t their fault either. Now we need to revue things further down the line. I’d expect the players to be onside and everyone to be pragmatic in these times.

[JohnM1875]

Seems fair enough. Our intention was to pay the players what they were due as COVID 19 wasn’t their fault either. Now we need to revue things further down the line. I’d expect the players to be onside and everyone to be pragmatic in these times.

Seems like we have a good bunch on players at the club. So I'd expect everyone to be on board as well. 🤞 will have it all ironed out ASAP.

[TheHibernator]

Can forget spending any transfer fees this summer then. Craig Samson also replacing Alan Combe.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5703714/hibs-wage-cut-talks-first-team/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592224597

Bad news day, hope Samson's a better coach than he was a player

[erin go bragh]

I hope we do. Point I was making egb, was our revenue is massive down until we increase our season ticket sales, and get fans back into grounds
So we need to be prudent with our transfer spend
:aok: I see . As Gogic is free , his signature is a no brainer. Nisbet on the other hand a massive risk and I can’t see us taking risks during these unprecedented times .
Roll on the 1st August . Wonder when our fixtures will be announced.

[SteveHFC]

Can forget spending any transfer fees this summer then. Craig Samson also replacing Alan Combe.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5703714/hibs-wage-cut-talks-first-team/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592224597

Will be some good free agents available this summer. :aok:

[SHODAN]

We don’t usually get to enjoy hearts’ downfall without some ***** news of our own

The upside is that all our immediate rivals will be in the same boat, unless Aberdeen/United are planning to throw caution to the wind.

[H18 SFR]

Anyone else think that we might literally see no signings being made? Existing squad plus bleed youngsters. The more I think of it the more it is a wonderful opportunity to give the academy lads a right good run at it.

[Heisenberg]

Anyone else think that we might literally see no signings being made? Existing squad plus bleed youngsters. The more I think of it the more it is a wonderful opportunity to give the academy lads a right good run at it.

I think we’ll still sign a few but it’ll be free transfers only. Kamberi leaving should free up decent cash.

[B.H.F.C]

Anyone else think that we might literally see no signings being made? Existing squad plus bleed youngsters. The more I think of it the more it is a wonderful opportunity to give the academy lads a right good run at it.

No, we will make signings. We’re not going to be signing 10 players so we need to be really careful about who we do sign.

Worth remembering that a number of players have already left. The likes of Whittaker wouldn’t have been on pennies and I imagine we would have been making decent wage contributions for the likes of McNulty and Naismith.

[Ozyhibby]

I think if we get Nisbet it will be a cash free deal. If pars can afford to go without a cash fee then have a 50% sell on clause they might be tempted as it could bring in more in the long run. They will have their own cash problems as well though.


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[hibee316]

Anyone else think that we might literally see no signings being made? Existing squad plus bleed youngsters. The more I think of it the more it is a wonderful opportunity to give the academy lads a right good run at it.

It wouldn't bother me. The money we might get from Kamberi would probably go to pay our players wages.

[HoboHarry]

It wouldn't bother me. The money we might get from Kamberi would probably go to pay our players wages.
You are assuming that another club will have the cash to buy him. I think there will be precious few transfer fees paid out for the next two years outwith the major leagues.

[RoxburghHibs]

You are assuming that another club will have the cash to buy him. I think there will be precious few transfer fees paid out for the next two years outwith the major leagues.

Which would make Dundee Utd paying a fee for Nisbet even more strange. A club with less than half our support and owned by a US business man with way less clout than our owner.

[Stuart93]

Motherwell signed another player now too

That’s their 3rd i think. They seem to be pressing on as normal.

[Speedway]

Every year we say Hibs will sign 3-4 and every year we sign 7-10

This year won’t be much different.

[Lago]

Anyone else think that we might literally see no signings being made? Existing squad plus bleed youngsters. The more I think of it the more it is a wonderful opportunity to give the academy lads a right good run at it.
Agree

[we are hibs]

Motherwell signed another player now too

That’s their 3rd i think. They seem to be pressing on as normal.

The players theyve signed wont be on substantial wages tbf. All free agents and from lesser clubs than Motherwell. Its tended to work for them in recent years but i would imagine we (despite the current financial restraints) will be looking for better than what Motherwell are targetting.

[Stuart93]

Every year we say Hibs will sign 3-4 and every year we sign 7-10

This year won’t be much different.

I’d say this year is a lot different to the others

[Billy Whizz]

Motherwell signed another player now too

That’s their 3rd i think. They seem to be pressing on as normal.

Got a nice payment for being 3rd, and also sold the lad to Hull last year

[we are hibs]

Anyone else think that we might literally see no signings being made? Existing squad plus bleed youngsters. The more I think of it the more it is a wonderful opportunity to give the academy lads a right good run at it.

Players like Fraser Murray and Jamie Gullan will get more time on the park. I think they'll start more games than they wouldve got in normal circumstances next and the onus will be on them to seize the opportunity given to them

[Speedway]

I’d say this year is a lot different to the others

We may pay them a lot less, but we’ll still bring a boatload in.

[B.H.F.C]

Players like Fraser Murray and Jamie Gullan will get more time on the park. I think they'll start more games than they wouldve got in normal circumstances next and the onus will be on them to seize the opportunity given to them

Huge opportunity for Gullan. Not so sure about Murray. One thing we do have is a number of attacking midfielders so might still be difficult for him to get on the pitch.

[oneone73]

Let's hope SJM is sold this summer.

[Ozyhibby]

Huge opportunity for Gullan. Not so sure about Murray. One thing we do have is a number of attacking midfielders so might still be difficult for him to get on the pitch.

And we have nowhere to loan Murray out to now either. Lower leagues not looking promising to start.


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[Vault Boy]

Killie sign Aaron McGowan. Really good signing for them IMO.

[bingo70]

Every year we say Hibs will sign 3-4 and every year we sign 7-10

This year won’t be much different.

I hope not.

If we can’t honour the contracts we have committed to then we shouldn’t be committing to new contracts.

I’d rather we went into next season with what we’ve got.

[Speedway]

I hope not.

If we can’t honour the contracts we have committed to then we shouldn’t be committing to new contracts.

I’d rather we went into next season with what we’ve got.

We’ve let 7 go already. We didn’t have a big squad. Ron just said the focus is on sporting success. They’ll get replaced numbers wise. Quality wise is the unknown.

[B.H.F.C]

I hope not.

If we can’t honour the contracts we have committed to then we shouldn’t be committing to new contracts.

I’d rather we went into next season with what we’ve got.

We can’t go in to the season with what we have, we’ve got to strengthen.

Plenty workplaces will be cutting costs but also recruiting as their businesses start reopening. I don’t think football will be any different.

I think the players will be happy for us to strengthen as well so they’ve got more chance of a win bonus!

[bingo70]

We’ve let 7 go already. We didn’t have a big squad. Ron just said the focus is on sporting success. They’ll get replaced numbers wise. Quality wise is the unknown.

I don’t see how we can go to our current squad and say we can’t afford to pay you the wages they are entitled to and are contracted to receive and then go out and add to the wage bill elsewhere.

To me that is wrong. We should play youngsters and sell players we can to make up the difference, hopefully come January things are looking better and we can add to the squad where we need to then.

As someone that lives for the summer transfer window that’s not an easy thing for me to say.

[madhatter]

I don’t see how we can go to our current squad and say we can’t afford to pay you the wages they are entitled to and are contracted to receive and then go out and add to the wage bill elsewhere.

To me that is wrong. We should play youngsters and sell players we can to make up the difference, hopefully come January things are looking better and we can add to the squad where we need to then.

As someone that lives for the summer transfer window that’s not an easy thing for me to say.

I agree, current squad members would be foolish to accept that. That is why I doubt they will be impacted upon in anything club have planned. We cannot sign more first team players while asking first team players to take pay cuts. That just won't happen as far as I'm concerned. Our current squad members will have allegiances to youth players and are likely to say "No, pay me what I'm due and play Fraser, Jamie...etc". Imagine being asked to take a pay cut so your employer can recruit someone to compete for your position...

I don't think we will be signing many players at all. I suspect we will use loan market and approach EPL clubs for their youth to pad out squad numbers.

[CapitalGreen]

I don’t see how we can go to our current squad and say we can’t afford to pay you the wages they are entitled to and are contracted to receive and then go out and add to the wage bill elsewhere.

To me that is wrong. We should play youngsters and sell players we can to make up the difference, hopefully come January things are looking better and we can add to the squad where we need to then.

As someone that lives for the summer transfer window that’s not an easy thing for me to say.

Players were asked to take substantial wage cuts in 2014 after we were relegated but that didn’t stop us signing a number of players that summer.

[badabing67]

Let's hope SJM is sold this summer.

No I would prefer if Villa stayed up and kept him another year, he will be worth way more this time next year

[bingo70]

No I would prefer if Villa stayed up and kept him another year, he will be worth way more this time next year

We need the money more this year though.

[Speedway]

I don’t see how we can go to our current squad and say we can’t afford to pay you the wages they are entitled to and are contracted to receive and then go out and add to the wage bill elsewhere.

To me that is wrong. We should play youngsters and sell players we can to make up the difference, hopefully come January things are looking better and we can add to the squad where we need to then.

As someone that lives for the summer transfer window that’s not an easy thing for me to say.

We can very easily say it if the new players are thousands cheaper than the current ones.

[Since452]

Let's hope SJM is sold this summer.

Would be a massive boost if he was

[badabing67]

We need the money more this year though.

How do you know we might need it more next year. The chances of completing the new season will be nil. I bet there will be another lockdown. The R number will go back up again in the winter it is obvious. Just got to wonder what a second phase lockdown will look like, but if there is one there will be no sport again you can be sure of that!

[HendoDelivered]

Would be a massive boost if he was

Kamberi sale and SJM sale would be very ideal.

[Smartie]

We need the money more this year though.

:agree:

There will be massive opportunities for clubs with money this year.

It might be worth having less this year than more next year, if everyone has more then.

[Lago]

How do you know we might need it more next year. The chances of completing the new season will be nil. I bet there will be another lockdown. The R number will go back up again in the winter it is obvious. Just got to wonder what a second phase lockdown will look like, but if there is one there will be no sport again you can be sure of that!
Your making a lot of assumptions & I'm not sure there based on facts.

[bingo70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/florian-kamberi-could-seal-rangers-22196958

Just trying to recoup our money for Kamberi with possible add ons In the agreement as well.

Also mentions Huddersfield and Stoke are after Boyle.

[one day maybe...]

Hull after him too

https://twitter.com/record_sport/status/1272645072895574021?s=21

[04Sauzee]

Hull after him too

https://twitter.com/record_sport/status/1272645072895574021?s=21

Scott Burns not normally quite good with info?

[Vault Boy]

Let the bidding war commence. 😈

[Andy74]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/florian-kamberi-could-seal-rangers-22196958

Just trying to recoup our money for Kamberi with possible add ons In the agreement as well.

Also mentions Huddersfield and Stoke are after Boyle.

‘Cash strapped’ as if Hibs are unique in having challenged finances at the moment!

[Robbo6-2]

Really was a poor negotiation tactics with Kamberi and Boyle with the statement.

Of course clubs are going to try and get our players on cheap.

150k for Kamberi is very poor

[Vault Boy]

‘Cash strapped’ as if Hibs are unique in having challenged finances at the moment!

Shameless red top jargon right there. As you say, could be applied to essentially any team in the UK with some exceptions.

[bingo70]

‘Cash strapped’ as if Hibs are unique in having challenged finances at the moment!

In that sense, it is a bit strange to advertise it.

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the honesty and the statement is exactly what I’ve been looking for, I winder what cut backs we’ll be hearing about in the coming days that made this statement unavoidable though.

Wouldn’t surprise me if we see Dempster moving on but that’s just a hunch.

[B.H.F.C]

Really was a poor negotiation tactics with Kamberi and Boyle with the statement.

Of course clubs are going to try and get our players on cheap.

150k for Kamberi is very poor

I don’t think teams will be queuing up to pay a big fee for a striker who scored four goals in the Scottish Premiership in the season just finished. Chuck in the current situation. Chuck in the fact he has a year on his deal.

I don’t think our statement affects our negotiating position. Everybody is in the same position and everybody knows it.

[GreenCastle]

Not sure if mentioned but is it a possibility players play in England as they will get paid compared to the Scottish league and the fact it may be reduced wages or even delayed.

Could make some minds up for players.

[SteveHFC]

Hull after him too

https://twitter.com/record_sport/status/1272645072895574021?s=21

Docherty for Kamberi and it’s a deal.

[Robbo6-2]

I don’t think teams will be queuing up to pay a big fee for a striker who scored four goals in the Scottish Premiership in the season just finished. Chuck in the current situation. Chuck in the fact he has a year on his deal.

I don’t think our statement affects our negotiating position. Everybody is in the same position and everybody knows it.

On 2nd thots your probably right in all of above.

Plus he will be our top earner i would think and could free up his wages

[Unseen work]

150k for Flo?

Thats an absolute wind up!

Cant see rangers doing a swap deal for Docherty or us being able to afford his wages if they did. Hopefully sell to Hull for a healthy amount of money.

Boyle leaving could generate a fair bit of money but replacing him would be very very difficult, top player on his day and has added a real consistency.

[B.H.F.C]

On 2nd thots your probably right in all of above.

Plus he will be our top earner i would think and could free up his wages

Yep, he’ll certainly be one of the biggest earners.

Whittaker and Slivka both away already and I’m sure Whittaker, in particular, would have been on decent money. We’d have been making substantial contributions for some of the loan players as well. So we must already be saving a good few quid. And it’s a matter of when Kamberi is away as opposed to if.

That’s why I’m still fairly relaxed about the financial stuff and our ability to sign players. I think most of the cost cutting will be unrelated to the playing side.

[Stuart93]

“Cash strapped”

That articles ****ing laughable not to mention incorrect throughout

We’ve sold 8.5k STs not 6.5k nor will we be forced to sell anyone. We will sell our players when we receive a bid that’s deemed acceptable.

[B.H.F.C]

150k for Flo?

Thats an absolute wind up!

Cant see rangers doing a swap deal for Docherty or us being able to afford his wages if they did. Hopefully sell to Hull for a healthy amount of money.

Boyle leaving could generate a fair bit of money but replacing him would be very very difficult, top player on his day and has added a real consistency.

How much is Flo worth in the current climate, with a year on his deal on the back of a crap season?

[bingo70]

How much is Flo worth in the current climate, with a year on his deal on the back of a crap season?

And a bad attitude meaning it’s common knowledge he’s not welcome back here.

Imo it’s all about the future clauses with him and hope he screws the nut wherever he goes next.

[1875Sean]

How much is Flo worth in the current climate, with a year on his deal on the back of a crap season?

Exactly, I would take 150k with a clause, he is a player who isn’t going to feature, year left on his contract, how much do people want in the current climate?

[Stanton Spence]

“Cash strapped”

That articles ****ing laughable not to mention incorrect throughout

We’ve sold 8.5k STs not 6.5k nor will we be forced to sell anyone. We will sell our players when we receive a bid that’s deemed acceptable.Shocking article mate and you forgot to add that they have also said that Kilmarnock went above us in the league instead of St johnstone
Half the lies in the article are untrue

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[Hibee Mac]

And a bad attitude meaning it’s common knowledge he’s not welcome back here.

Imo it’s all about the future clauses with him and hope he screws the nut wherever he goes next.

We'd better hope he only gets a 1 year deal wherever he goes next otherwise he's got nothing to play for and we'll not get any bonuses from him 😂

[HendoDelivered]

What % of a sell on fee are Grasshoppers entitled to, if at all?

[Unseen work]

Whilst we are cutting wages I really hope this doesn’t mean we won’t be signing any players and it’s to help us have funds to stay afloat and sign new players so we’re strong on return to the league.

There are a lot of decent SPFL players out of contract now that could really enhance us or take us to that next level.

Were certainly not short of ability but more balance in the team. Allan, Mallan, Newall and Boyle are 4 great options to have in midfield but we need someone doing their dirty work. We have Hallberg who can play a bit deeper but Ross doesn’t seem a huge fan and we would need someone else in there with him.

Hopefully the sale of Flo and getting guys like Horgan, James and Murray off the books will help. Already saving money with Slivka, Whittikar, Docherty, Omeonga, McNulty, Bogdan and Naismith not being here so we should have wiggle room for players coming in.

Motherwell have already made use of free agents having signed Rickie Lamie, Jordan White, Nathan McGinley and rumoured to be signing Scott Fox. There are certainly options out there;

Alex Gogic - Exact sort of player we need defensively and leadership. On the ball though? I guess that’s what Allan, Mallan and Newall are there for.

Chris Long - Scored 11 in the league for Motherwell and has a bit of pace about him. Worth a punt?

Drey Wright - Fast and tricky but suffered a couple of injuries at Saints. Real need of competition in wide positions

Greg Leigh - Loan expired are Aberdeen and returned to Breda. Would be a good option if available which I imagine he is

Stepehn O’Donnell - Absolute no brainer if we could afford it but we seem to have a ridiculous amount of right backs in decent contracts with none of them being the stand out pick.

Gary Dicker - Similar to Gogic but is getting on a bit, never seen that being an issue when he has played us though.

Mickel Miller - Fast, direct and chips in with some goals. Again in an area we need completion.

Steven Lawless - Knows the league well and chips in with decent amount of goals and assists. Could he make the step up?

Marcus Fraser - Leader and one of County’s best players has left and a solid right back again.

Andy Halliday - Not everyone’s cup of tea but underrated imo and would add a bit of bite in the middle of the park, good on the ball also.

Stephen McGinn - Another McGinn who Ross thought was an important player at St Mirren. Leader, experienced and can play middle of the park.

While I’m not saying all these players are brilliant and we should be singing, they’re decent options especially for free. I can’t really see us forking out the money required for Ross Stewart or Kevin Nisbet at this moment I’m afraid.

[Ozyhibby]

Whilst we are cutting wages I really hope this doesn’t mean we won’t be signing any players and it’s to help us have funds to stay afloat and sign new players so we’re strong on return to the league.

There are a lot of decent SPFL players out of contract now that could really enhance us or take us to that next level.

Were certainly not short of ability but more balance in the team. Allan, Mallan, Newall and Boyle are 4 great options to have in midfield but we need someone doing their dirty work. We have Hallberg who can play a bit deeper but Ross doesn’t seem a huge fan and we would need someone else in there with him.

Hopefully the sale of Flo and getting guys like Horgan, James and Murray off the books will help. Already saving money with Slivka, Whittikar, Docherty, Omeonga, McNulty, Bogdan and Naismith not being here so we should have wiggle room for players coming in.

Motherwell have already made use of free agents having signed Rickie Lamie, Jordan White, Nathan McGinley and rumoured to be signing Scott Fox. There are certainly options out there;

Alex Gogic - Exact sort of player we need defensively and leadership. On the ball though? I guess that’s what Allan, Mallan and Newall are there for.

Chris Long - Scored 11 in the league for Motherwell and has a bit of pace about him. Worth a punt?

Drey Wright - Fast and tricky but suffered a couple of injuries at Saints. Real need of competition in wide positions

Greg Leigh - Loan expired are Aberdeen and returned to Breda. Would be a good option if available which I imagine he is

Stepehn O’Donnell - Absolute no brainer if we could afford it but we seem to have a ridiculous amount of right backs in decent contracts with none of them being the stand out pick.

Gary Dicker - Similar to Gogic but is getting on a bit, never seen that being an issue when he has played us though.

Mickel Miller - Fast, direct and chips in with some goals. Again in an area we need completion.

Steven Lawless - Knows the league well and chips in with decent amount of goals and assists. Could he make the step up?

Marcus Fraser - Leader and one of County’s best players has left and a solid right back again.

Andy Halliday - Not everyone’s cup of tea but underrated imo and would add a bit of bite in the middle of the park, good on the ball also.

Stephen McGinn - Another McGinn who Ross thought was an important player at St Mirren. Leader, experienced and can play middle of the park.

While I’m not saying all these players are brilliant and we should be singing, they’re decent options especially for free. I can’t really see us forking out the money required for Ross Stewart or Kevin Nisbet at this moment I’m afraid.

If we are asking players to take a cut, first thing they are going to do is ask us not to sign players to replace them.


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[The Count]

Dont want Boyler to leave but i am afraid under these exceptional financial circumstances if a decent offer comes in we will accept it.Year on his contract left and we can use the money to help us survive as a club and give Ross player incoming options as a team.

[Clarence]

“Cash strapped”

That articles ****ing laughable not to mention incorrect throughout

We’ve sold 8.5k STs not 6.5k nor will we be forced to sell anyone. We will sell our players when we receive a bid that’s deemed acceptable.

It’s there to appeal to the WATP crowd’s sense that they can get away with doing what they want and that other teams have to lie back and take it. We all know it doesn’t work like that anymore.

[Brightside]

If we are asking players to take a cut, first thing they are going to do is ask us not to sign players to replace them.


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Also you don’t get players off the books without paying them. So we are stuck with long term deals unless the player wants to move. Which is highly doubtful at the moment

[GreenCastle]

If we are asking players to take a cut, first thing they are going to do is ask us not to sign players to replace them.


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This is what was said from the start ?

We won’t sign anyone until players are paid in full again ? The took a deferral and now being asked to reduce further?

“with the club also assuring the playing squad that no new players will be brought in until every member of staff has been returned to their contracted salary levels.”

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-agree-wage-deferral-and-furlough-plans-staff-2528533

[brog]

“Cash strapped”

That articles ****ing laughable not to mention incorrect throughout

We’ve sold 8.5k STs not 6.5k nor will we be forced to sell anyone. We will sell our players when we receive a bid that’s deemed acceptable.

Even by DR standards thats a shocker. The Rangers have not paid any full fee up front for years now & TBF not many clubs do. Reading between the lines it looks as if we're looking for about £500k with £150k up front. As always a decent sell on clause will be included.

[B.H.F.C]

This is what was said from the start ?

We won’t sign anyone until players are paid in full again ? The took a reduction and now being asked to reduce further?

“with the club also assuring the playing squad that no new players will be brought in until every member of staff has been returned to their contracted salary levels.”

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-agree-wage-deferral-and-furlough-plans-staff-2528533

No, that’s not what was said.

They took a deferral, not a reduction. They will still be paid the deferred amount.

We won’t sign anyone until we have them back on full pay. After this week, full pay might be different by the looks of things.

[GreenCastle]

No, that’s not what was said.

They took a deferral, not a reduction. They will still be paid the deferred amount.

We won’t sign anyone until we have them back on full pay. After this week, full pay might be different by the looks of things.

Sorry used the wrong word - deferral instead of reduction.

Though deferred wages is also a reduction to the amount coming to players and now they are being asked to cut it more.

[Ozyhibby]

No, that’s not what was said.

They took a deferral, not a reduction. They will still be paid the deferred amount.

We won’t sign anyone until we have them back on full pay. After this week, full pay might be different by the looks of things.

And the price of that may be that we can’t make more signings.


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[B.H.F.C]

And the price of that may be that we can’t make more signings.


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It won’t be IMO. How long do you not sign anyone for? Whether it’s using the loan market, or whatever, players will come in IMO.

[The Modfather]

It won’t be IMO. How long do you not sign anyone for? Whether it’s using the loan market, or whatever, players will come in IMO.

We’ll need to make signings, as you say likely loans, or it’s not inconceivable the current squad could find itself in a relegation battle.

[Greenworld]

Whilst we are cutting wages I really hope this doesn’t mean we won’t be signing any players and it’s to help us have funds to stay afloat and sign new players so we’re strong on return to the league.

There are a lot of decent SPFL players out of contract now that could really enhance us or take us to that next level.

Were certainly not short of ability but more balance in the team. Allan, Mallan, Newall and Boyle are 4 great options to have in midfield but we need someone doing their dirty work. We have Hallberg who can play a bit deeper but Ross doesn’t seem a huge fan and we would need someone else in there with him.

Hopefully the sale of Flo and getting guys like Horgan, James and Murray off the books will help. Already saving money with Slivka, Whittikar, Docherty, Omeonga, McNulty, Bogdan and Naismith not being here so we should have wiggle room for players coming in.

Motherwell have already made use of free agents having signed Rickie Lamie, Jordan White, Nathan McGinley and rumoured to be signing Scott Fox. There are certainly options out there;

Alex Gogic - Exact sort of player we need defensively and leadership. On the ball though? I guess that’s what Allan, Mallan and Newall are there for.

Chris Long - Scored 11 in the league for Motherwell and has a bit of pace about him. Worth a punt?

Drey Wright - Fast and tricky but suffered a couple of injuries at Saints. Real need of competition in wide positions

Greg Leigh - Loan expired are Aberdeen and returned to Breda. Would be a good option if available which I imagine he is

Stepehn O’Donnell - Absolute no brainer if we could afford it but we seem to have a ridiculous amount of right backs in decent contracts with none of them being the stand out pick.

Gary Dicker - Similar to Gogic but is getting on a bit, never seen that being an issue when he has played us though.

Mickel Miller - Fast, direct and chips in with some goals. Again in an area we need completion.

Steven Lawless - Knows the league well and chips in with decent amount of goals and assists. Could he make the step up?

Marcus Fraser - Leader and one of County’s best players has left and a solid right back again.

Andy Halliday - Not everyone’s cup of tea but underrated imo and would add a bit of bite in the middle of the park, good on the ball also.

Stephen McGinn - Another McGinn who Ross thought was an important player at St Mirren. Leader, experienced and can play middle of the park.

While I’m not saying all these players are brilliant and we should be singing, they’re decent options especially for free. I can’t really see us forking out the money required for Ross Stewart or Kevin Nisbet at this moment I’m afraid.It looks like Hibs have started the paperwork trail like any business to advise all employees that there job may be at risk . This is normal procedure however it is also worrying.
We will not be signing any players while the club staff are under threat of loosing their jobs.
Looks like survival is the only plan this season , if your a young player be prepared to take your chance .


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[Greenworld]

We’ll need to make signings, as you say likely loans, or it’s not inconceivable the current squad could find itself in a relegation battle.A relegation battle of 10 clubs , if Hibs are in this position so are the rest.

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[GreenCastle]

It won’t be IMO. How long do you not sign anyone for? Whether it’s using the loan market, or whatever, players will come in IMO.

I’m not sure. Can you imagine they signed a player now. What will the current squad think.

It wouldn’t sit right especially when staff are being made redundant.

Saying that Samson has replaced Combe as GK coach.

[The Modfather]

A relegation battle of 10 clubs , if Hibs are in this position so are the rest.

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Quite possibly although wouldn’t be surprised to see 3 groups, Old Firm, then Aberdeen & Motherwell, then the rest. Plenty time for it all to change but if our midfield for next season is Hallberg, Newell & Allan I’d not be confident in a relegation scrap.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m not sure. Can you imagine they signed a player now. What will the current squad think.

It wouldn’t sit right especially when staff are being made redundant.

Saying that Samson has replaced Combe as GK coach.

The staff are being paid off specifically so we can try keep the first team competitive. I think we will want to make signings because there is money to be made in being successful. We just need the player who are taking reductions not to put restrictions on us doing so.


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[J-C]

Docherty for Kamberi and it’s a deal.

One problem there Steve, Rangers don't want Kamberi.

[B.H.F.C]

I’m not sure. Can you imagine they signed a player now. What will the current squad think.

It wouldn’t sit right especially when staff are being made redundant.

So at my work people have been made redundant and people have had to take a pay cut.

As we start to come out of this the business will need to start recruiting again to help move them forward. Will those who have remained down tools and stop working as a result?

I’m not suggesting we sign dozens of players. I’m not expecting us to pay a fee for someone like Nesbit. But I do think we will need to add to the squad in some way to help us move forward.

[GloryGlory]

Quite possibly although wouldn’t be surprised to see 3 groups, Old Firm, then Aberdeen & Motherwell, then the rest. Plenty time for it all to change but if our midfield for next season is Hallberg, Newell & Allan I’d not be confident in a relegation scrap.

As Allan is diabetic and therefore in the at risk group I imagine his appearances may be limited.

[MWHIBBIES]

We won't be in any relegation trouble. Nonsense talk.

[Hibs90]

We won't be in any relegation trouble. Nonsense talk.

Hopefully not but with a defence and midfield not up to standard I'd imagine we are going to be bottom 6.

Also, other teams are signing players.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hopefully not but with a defence and midfield not up to standard I'd imagine we are going to be bottom 6.

Also, other teams are signing players.

There aren't 6 teams better than us.

We will also sign players.

[Brightside]

Hopefully not but with a defence and midfield not up to standard I'd imagine we are going to be bottom 6.

Also, other teams are signing players.

Signing players no better than what we have.

[bingo70]

We won't be in any relegation trouble. Nonsense talk.

I don’t think we will be either but I wouldn’t be so dismissive about it, especially if we don’t recruit this summer.

Plenty hearts fans would have said what you did last summer.

[Brightside]

I don’t think we will be either but I wouldn’t be so dismissive about it, especially if we don’t recruit this summer.

Plenty hearts fans would have said what you did last summer.

It will be Rangers / Celtic top by miles and the rest all the same level.

[B.H.F.C]

It will be Rangers / Celtic top by miles and the rest all the same level.

Aberdeen probably in a fairly strong position. Think they still have the core of their team.

[MWHIBBIES]

I don’t think we will be either but I wouldn’t be so dismissive about it, especially if we don’t recruit this summer.

Plenty hearts fans would have said what you did last summer.
There was plenty of evidence to suggest hearts were in real trouble, they had hardly won in months.

[hibee_girl]

I don’t think we will be either but I wouldn’t be so dismissive about it, especially if we don’t recruit this summer.

Plenty hearts fans would have said what you did last summer.

Can we at least wait until the season has started before we talk about relegation?

We certainly won't be the only team that has a weaker squad.

[Stuart93]

It will be Rangers / Celtic top by miles and the rest all the same level.

If we don’t bring anyone in & the squad was only good enough for 6th last season you have to hope other teams that were round us don’t start strengthening or we’re only going to be further behind.

As the poster above has said we have to be cautious. We can’t afford to pretend we’re to big for the drop.

[MWHIBBIES]

If we don’t bring anyone in & the squad was only good enough for 6th last season you have to hope other teams that were round us don’t start strengthening or we’re only going to be further behind.

As the poster above has said we have to be cautious. We can’t afford to pretend we’re to big for the drop.

The squad was better than 6th. We had a very bad start. Even just an average start and we'd have been competing for 3rd.

[lucky]

If Hibs are cutting staff outside the first team others will be too. Aberdeen have said they are losing a million a month, that’s not sustainable. The reality is youth and development team football is a long way off so Hibs have made a decision to make whose staff redundant as their is no work for them. When youth and development teams start playing again in 2021 Then staff will be recruited. At present players and staff need tested to participate in training and playing. No club will have every employee tested or involved in training at this time.

It’s horrible that people at Hibs are losing their jobs but they won’t be the last.

[neil7908]

How are Motherwell signing players right now? I thought they would be in a worse financial position than we are?

[Stuart93]

The squad was better than 6th. We had a very bad start. Even just an average start and we'd have been competing for 3rd.

Who was our squad better than that finished above us? Potentially apart from livi?

Not to mention our form just before the season stopped. We were sitting 6th by a baw hair as well. That squad was nowhere near good enough for 3rd.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

If Hibs are cutting staff outside the first team others will be too. Aberdeen have said they are losing a million a month, that’s not sustainable. The reality is youth and development team football is a long way off so Hibs have made a decision to make whose staff redundant as their is no work for them. When youth and development teams start playing again in 2021 Then staff will be recruited. At present players and staff need tested to participate in training and playing. No club will have every employee tested or involved in training at this time.

It’s horrible that people at Hibs are losing their jobs but they won’t be the last.

Well said Lucky

[The Modfather]

The squad was better than 6th. We had a very bad start. Even just an average start and we'd have been competing for 3rd.

I think we broadly finished in line with where we should have IMO. Heckingbottom underperformed this season, but I also think Ross slightly overperforned, particularly pre January, with the imbalanced squad that lacked quality.

[MWHIBBIES]

Who was our squad better than that finished above us? Potentially apart from livi?

Not to mention our form just before the season stopped. We were sitting by a baw hair as well. That squad was nowhere near good enough for 3rd.

Thats not what I said. If Ross had been in charge all season its pretty fair to say he would've got 7/8 more points than Hecky/caretakers did isn't it? Would've seen us competing for 3rd.

Is our squad really ''nowhere near'' 3rd? We took 4 points from Motherwell and played very well in all 3 games against Aberdeen, smashing them at home. They really aren't much better than us.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think we broadly finished in line with where we should have IMO. Heckingbottom underperformed this season, but I also think Ross slightly overperforned, particularly pre January, with the imbalanced squad that lacked quality.

Our squad didn't lack quality. Allan, Doidge, Boyle, Marciano, Docherty and Omeonga are all quality. Add in solid players like Hanlon, Jackson, Newall and you actually have a decent side. That squad performed about right after Ross came in. Definitely well underperformed under Hecky.

[bigwheel]

Thats not what I said. If Ross had been in charge all season its pretty fair to say he would've got 7/8 more points than Hecky/caretakers did isn't it? Would've seen us competing for 3rd.

Is our squad really ''nowhere near'' 3rd? We took 4 points from Motherwell and played very well in all 3 games against Aberdeen, smashing them at home. They really aren't much better than us.

Hard to tell isn’t it , until we see what squads are there when the season gets into full swing . If teams keep theirs largely in place and we lose a couple of key players ( plus loans from Last season), we would be in a fight for a top six place at best . Equally though, we might duck and dive a few deals and be in a better place ..too early to judge for me

[MWHIBBIES]

Hard to tell isn’t it , until we see what squads are there when the season gets into full swing . If teams keep theirs largely in place and we lose a couple of key players ( plus loans from Last season), we would be in a fight for a top six place at best . Equally though, we might duck and dive a few deals and be in a better place ..too early to judge for me

Who are the 6 sides finishing above us? We literally only turned up after 11 league games and were still in the top 6 before it ended. This league is gash, there aren't 6 sides better than us.

If you gave Livi a grass park we'd be 5th at worst.

[The Modfather]

Our squad didn't lack quality. Allan, Doidge, Boyle, Marciano, Docherty and Omeonga are all quality. Add in solid players like Hanlon, Jackson, Newall and you actually have a decent side. That squad performed about right after Ross came in. Definitely well underperformed under Hecky.

We’ve gone from 4th - 5th - 6th the last 3 seasons. In that time there’s been a consistent lack of quality in the squads (while still having a sprinkling of quality) with the same positions consistently being our Achilles heal.

Think we’re best to agree to disagree on how we view the squad.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s possible that Doidge could be sold as well. Anyone with a value in the market may be moved on.


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[J-C]

It’s possible that Doidge could be sold as well. Anyone with a value in the market may be moved on.


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Depends on his wages, he's well known down south and has a rep for getting goals, depends who we are looking at.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s possible that Doidge could be sold as well. Anyone with a value in the market may be moved on.


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Na, I doubt that. Club is asking risking relegation if they sell anyone with some quality. If we have to sell everyone off and risk going down then it could take years to recover on and off the park.

Not a single credible rumour linking a single member of our squad with a move.

[Ozyhibby]

Na, I doubt that. Club is asking risking relegation if they sell anyone with some quality. If we have to sell everyone off and risk going down then it could take years to recover on and off the park.

Not a single credible rumour linking a single member of our squad with a move.

Players sold would be replaced. In a crisis sometimes you don’t get to pick which players you can manage to sell. If it’s Doidge an offer comes in for then who knows?


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[Lancs Harp]

Na, I doubt that. Club is asking risking relegation if they sell anyone with some quality. If we have to sell everyone off and risk going down then it could take years to recover on and off the park.

Not a single credible rumour linking a single member of our squad with a move.

Would tend to agree with this. It has to be a balance, of course funds are short but I dont think selling all the silverware so to speak is quite the answer. We still have to have a team on the park that at least can compete to a degree the consequences of not being able to compete will just lead to a spiralling effect. Difficut situation to manage.

Talking of Christian Diodge and a bit off topic but I learnt last week that he has played basketball for Wales. Talented guy. Todays useless fact is brought to you by LancsHarp. :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Players sold would be replaced. In a crisis sometimes you don’t get to pick which players you can manage to sell. If it’s Doidge an offer comes in for then who knows?


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That is no different from any other time. I thought you meant actively trying to sell him. Hibs wont be doing that.

We could just have won the league and cup and we'd be considering good offers for players. Thats no different from normal.

[Billy Whizz]

It’s possible that Doidge could be sold as well. Anyone with a value in the market may be moved on.


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When does the new season English championship season start back up
You’d have thought was his destination, if he was to leave Hibs

[Since452]

We're in a fortunate position to have assets to sell. Boyle and Kamberi will bring in a fair amount. Other clubs aren't so lucky.

[greenpaper55]

According to the current bun Hull are after Kamberi

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5705632/rangers-news-hull-city-kamberi-hibs/

[Fuzzywuzzy]

£150k for kamberi?

[Stuart93]

We're in a fortunate position to have assets to sell. Boyle and Kamberi will bring in a fair amount. Other clubs aren't so lucky.

It’s what it leaves us with is the worry.

Without Boyle we wouldn’t have picked up as many points as we did when JR came in.

Without him in our team things are looking really bleak. Doesn’t help the club when they’re trying to make it the “most exciting match day experience” they can when the product on the pitch isn’t exciting to watch.

[Billy Whizz]

We're in a fortunate position to have assets to sell. Boyle and Kamberi will bring in a fair amount. Other clubs aren't so lucky.
We’ve got a few others too, in Porteous, Marciano and Doidge, although we don’t want to be selling all our best players

[Hibs90]

There aren't 6 teams better than us.

We will also sign players.

But the squad is still weaker.

[CapitalGreen]

But the squad is still weaker.

We haven’t signed any players yet and nobody has said we aren’t signing any players. On the contrary, our resources are now going to be focussed solely on the first team and delivering success on the pitch.

“We must now focus our limited resources on our core business – and that is supporting our first team to deliver success on the pitch.“

[Hibs90]

We haven’t signed any players yet and nobody has said we aren’t signing any players. On the contrary, our resources are now going to be focussed solely on the first team and delivering success on the pitch.

“We must now focus our limited resources on our core business – and that is supporting our first team to deliver success on the pitch.“


Yes, and I can only hope that signings will be made as in my opinion based on what I seen last season that defence and midfield is nowhere near good enough with the obvious exceptions of Boyle and Allan.

[MWHIBBIES]

But the squad is still weaker.

Yeah, it always is at this point. Its how it looks before the first league match that matters.

[Lago]

£150k for kamberi?
And that in a nutshell is the problem Hibs will face as they try to balance the books.

[JimBHibees]

It’s possible that Doidge could be sold as well. Anyone with a value in the market may be moved on.


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Will be interest giving he will have a reasonable rep down south.

[ancient hibee]

At any time in Scotland every player is for sale.

[RoxburghHibs]

£150k for kamberi?


That's what we paid for him is it not? I'd hope we are looking for more than that to sell him. Be great to sell him and use the funds raised to buy Nesbit :greengrin

[Halmyre Hibee]

The danger in selling our better / most valuable players is that can we replace them with the same quality at lower transfer fees / wages. We have to be careful we get the balance right on the pitch. The last thing we need is to be in the bottom 6 next season fighting to stay up. We have been underperforming for most seasons with bigger budgets than we now have. I’m cautiously optimistic Jack Ross can wheel & deal and get us in the top 4 next season.

[MWHIBBIES]

At any time in Scotland every player is for sale.

Of course, to the right offer. Different to actively trying to sell them.

[sean04]

How are Motherwell able to sign players?

[HendoDelivered]

How are Motherwell able to sign players?

Bonus for finishing third, sold one of their players to Hull in Jan for around 1million. Probably nowhere near as expensive to run as we are.

[Heisenberg]

How are Motherwell able to sign players?

They lost a lot of their squad, got the money for finishing third and don’t have outgoings as high as ours. We have confirmed all money will be going towards the first team, that makes me think we’ll sign players.

[The 90+2]

How are Motherwell able to sign players?

They’ve released a few players and still have Turnbull to sell. They’re fine.

[04Sauzee]

They’ve released a few players and still have Turnbull to sell. They’re fine.

Which players went?
Turnbull will pull in a few quid plus they have the cash from the boy the sold to Hull

[The 90+2]

Which players went?
Turnbull will pull in a few quid plus they have the cash from the boy the sold to Hull

Their captain and a couple got released, they undersold the boy to Hull he’s a tremendous prospect. They seem in a very very good place. It’s all just really depended where the dice on monopoly stopped when football stopped.

[Unseen work]

Motherwell are very well run and in a very healthy positions.

A lot of players were out of contract this year but they still have players who could demand a good fee if needed. James Scott going to Hull for 1 million in January would also have massively helped.

Liam Donnelly
Alan Campbell
David Turnbull

Would all go for a decent price.

They still have a decent squad on paper and their midfield is probably the best outwith the old firm.

[CapitalGreen]

Which players went?
Turnbull will pull in a few quid plus they have the cash from the boy the sold to Hull

Rohan Ferguson.
Mark Gillespie.
Peter Hartley.
Christian Ilic.
Adam Livingstone.
Christy Manzinga.
Richard Tait

At least 5 of those players would be towards the top end of their earners I’d imagine.

[J-C]

Kamberi will be one of our top earner, in the market today he's not worth loads, given the fact he's been basically pish for a full season, get the money we paid for him with a decent sell on added. Boyle will wholly depend on what he wants to do, he has a wife and kid and is settled but the chance to double or treble his wages could be very tempting. Doidge will only go if an offer comes in, we won't actively try to sell him but we will accept a deal if it benefits us, he's well known down south and may be seen as a cheap option for a championship club.

[JimBHibees]

When does the new season English championship season start back up
You’d have thought was his destination, if he was to leave Hibs

This Saturday

[weecounty hibby]

I have just been told that Nesbit is signing for Utd. Shankland is being sold, don't know to who. Apparently both have same agent.

Edit. Should have said don't shoot the messenger and that I am most definitely not ITK. Just passing on what I've been told

[Tambo]

Says we have rejected bids for flo on the scotsman.

[The 90+2]

Says we have rejected bids for flo on the scotsman.

£50k from Hull or some patronising *****.

[Billy Whizz]

£50k from Hull or some patronising *****.

He deserves somewhere like Hull

[MrRobot]

I have just been told that Nesbit is signing for Utd. Shankland is being sold, don't know to who. Apparently both have same agent.

Edit. Should have said don't shoot the messenger and that I am most definitely not ITK. Just passing on what I've been told

as long as we sign Nisbet i’m happy :greengrin

[Smartie]

I’d expect some truly derisory stuff from Sevco but it would be accompanied by all sorts of rubbish in the papers if it was them.

[MWHIBBIES]

Folk actually expecting decent money for Flo? Majority of fans have made it clear they never want him to play for us again, that drastically reduces his value.

[Smartie]

Folk actually expecting decent money for Flo? Majority of fans have made it clear they never want him to play for us again, that drastically reduces his value.

I just want his substantial wage gone. Any money we get is a bonus.

Anyone else think we might be in a bit of trouble? Not in the financial, existential sense but in the footballing sense? We have a lot of money tied up in players who will make a minimal footballing contribution.

Expensive goalie, a bit of a show pony, makes good saves from time to time but prone to expensive howlers.

Big deals for Gray and McGregor. Emotionally made sense at the time but how much football are we really going to see from them?

James - a full back who puts in as many tackles during a game as I do from my seat in the stand.

Allan/ Mallan - two big signings, maverick types who do no defending - can't really work out any way of playing them both.

Flo - temperamental, doesn't want to be here, disruptive, has alienated the fans, couldn't give two hoots about us and will want to extract as much of his pound of flesh from us before moving on to better things. Should/ could be valuable, but isn't.


TBH what you need in a situation like this (trying to get through a financial crisis by getting good bang for your buck) are players like Paul McGinn. Plays several positions, probably not the most expensive player, gives you a solid 7/10 every week and allows you to focus more of your budget on quality elsewhere. We don't have too many of them.


We have a squad that is badly in need of improvement but I don't see how we're going to have the means to do so. Going with what we've got, minimally improving means we're going to be carrying an awful lot of deadwood. We need Flo's wages gone and any sort of an offer for Boyle or possibly even Doidge would have to be considered to allow us to make necessary improvements. Ross might think he'd be able to do more with Rocky's wages so he might go.

In a buyer's market, there might be a temptation to wheel and deal - losing quality to bring in quantity (something that hasn't worked well for us in the past).

I don't think we'll necessarily be in relegation trouble (as I reckon there will be teams in greater trouble than us) but from here it's a bit of a push to see us putting a squad together that will be any more than mid-table.

[brog]

£150k for kamberi?

It mentions that as a 1st instalment. It's a buyer's market but we'll still get more than £150k for Flo.

[MWHIBBIES]

I just want his substantial wage gone. Any money we get is a bonus.

Anyone else think we might be in a bit of trouble? Not in the financial, existential sense but in the footballing sense? We have a lot of money tied up in players who will make a minimal footballing contribution.

Expensive goalie, a bit of a show pony, makes good saves from time to time but prone to expensive howlers.

Big deals for Gray and McGregor. Emotionally made sense at the time but how much football are we really going to see from them?

James - a full back who puts in as many tackles during a game as I do from my seat in the stand.

Allan/ Mallan - two big signings, maverick types who do no defending - can't really work out any way of playing them both.

Flo - temperamental, doesn't want to be here, disruptive, has alienated the fans, couldn't give two hoots about us and will want to extract as much of his pound of flesh from us before moving on to better things. Should/ could be valuable, but isn't.


TBH what you need in a situation like this (trying to get through a financial crisis by getting good bang for your buck) are players like Paul McGinn. Plays several positions, probably not the most expensive player, gives you a solid 7/10 every week and allows you to focus more of your budget on quality elsewhere. We don't have too many of them.


We have a squad that is badly in need of improvement but I don't see how we're going to have the means to do so. Going with what we've got, minimally improving means we're going to be carrying an awful lot of deadwood. We need Flo's wages gone and any sort of an offer for Boyle or possibly even Doidge would have to be considered to allow us to make necessary improvements. Ross might think he'd be able to do more with Rocky's wages so he might go.

I don't think we'll necessarily be in relegation trouble (as I reckon there will be teams in greater trouble than us) but from here it's a bit of a push to see us putting a squad together that will be any more than mid-table.

Sorry, how is Marciano a ''show pony''? He has been very good 90% of the time hes been here (4 seasons now). He is the absolute least of our worries. He is FAR more prone to top saves than ''expensive howlers''. I mean seriously...

We have no idea what wages Gray and McGregor are on. Probably quite decent but if it is performance based like many others, then they'll not be making that much.

Flo will move on.

Offers for Doidge really shouldn't be considered. That leaves us needing 2 or 3 strikers, what actual money would be left when that is done? No offensive to Paul McGinn but I'd sell him, Gray, McGregor, Mallan and most of the others before Doidge. His scappy goals will make a difference in tight, low quality games.

We're 3/4 quality players away from a really decent side. 2 good fullbacks, Gogic and a winger/forward would see us looking very strong IMO.

We might not have the best squad next season but this stuff really isn't helpful. Every player needs backing and we need to keep the quality core of guys like Rocky, Allan, Doidge, Boyle, Hanlon, Jackson etc together and get as much minutes from Porteous, Gullan, Murray, Block etc as we can.

[brog]

Folk actually expecting decent money for Flo? Majority of fans have made it clear they never want him to play for us again, that drastically reduces his value.

I really don't see why his value would be affected by the fan's opinion of him. If Kamberi turns out, gives 100% & scores then all will be forgiven.

[MWHIBBIES]

I really don't see why his value would be affected by the fan's opinion of him. If Kamberi turns out, gives 100% & scores then all will be forgiven.

I agree but fans and probably the club wanting rid of a player signifcantly effects his value. Same way scoring 20 goals does.

[Lancs Harp]

Sorry, how is Marciano a ''show pony''? He has been very good 90% of the time hes been here (4 seasons now). He is the absolute least of our worries. He is FAR more prone to top saves than ''expensive howlers''. I mean seriously...

We have no idea what wages Gray and McGregor are on. Probably quite decent but if it is performance based like many others, then they'll not be making that much.

Flo will move on.

Offers for Doidge really shouldn't be considered. That leaves us needing 2 or 3 strikers, what actual money would be left when that is done? No offensive to Paul McGinn but I'd sell him, Gray, McGregor, Mallan and most of the others before Doidge. His scappy goals will make a difference in tight, low quality games.

We're 3/4 quality players away from a really decent side. 2 good fullbacks, Gogic and a winger/forward would see us looking very strong IMO.

We might not have the best squad next season but this stuff really isn't helpful. Every player needs backing and we need to keep the quality core of guys like Rocky, Allan, Doidge, Boyle, Hanlon, Jackson etc together and get as much minutes from Porteous, Gullan, Murray, Block etc as we can.


Sometimes MW you give the impression you could argue yourself to death in an empty black box devoid of any senses but for the second time today I agree with you totally. I'm off to make a doctors appointment I'm clearly losing it.:greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

I just want his substantial wage gone. Any money we get is a bonus.

Anyone else think we might be in a bit of trouble? Not in the financial, existential sense but in the footballing sense? We have a lot of money tied up in players who will make a minimal footballing contribution.

Expensive goalie, a bit of a show pony, makes good saves from time to time but prone to expensive howlers.

Big deals for Gray and McGregor. Emotionally made sense at the time but how much football are we really going to see from them?

James - a full back who puts in as many tackles during a game as I do from my seat in the stand.

Allan/ Mallan - two big signings, maverick types who do no defending - can't really work out any way of playing them both.

Flo - temperamental, doesn't want to be here, disruptive, has alienated the fans, couldn't give two hoots about us and will want to extract as much of his pound of flesh from us before moving on to better things. Should/ could be valuable, but isn't.


TBH what you need in a situation like this (trying to get through a financial crisis by getting good bang for your buck) are players like Paul McGinn. Plays several positions, probably not the most expensive player, gives you a solid 7/10 every week and allows you to focus more of your budget on quality elsewhere. We don't have too many of them.


We have a squad that is badly in need of improvement but I don't see how we're going to have the means to do so. Going with what we've got, minimally improving means we're going to be carrying an awful lot of deadwood. We need Flo's wages gone and any sort of an offer for Boyle or possibly even Doidge would have to be considered to allow us to make necessary improvements. Ross might think he'd be able to do more with Rocky's wages so he might go.

In a buyer's market, there might be a temptation to wheel and deal - losing quality to bring in quantity (something that hasn't worked well for us in the past).

I don't think we'll necessarily be in relegation trouble (as I reckon there will be teams in greater trouble than us) but from here it's a bit of a push to see us putting a squad together that will be any more than mid-table.

I think it would need to be a really big offer for the likes of Boyle or Doidge for us to consider selling. And I don’t think a really big offer will be forthcoming. We’d just be giving ourselves another problem to solve if we sold. And the problem we currently have, in the middle of the park and defensively, isn’t as difficult to solve as replacing the attacking threat of those players IMO.

We’re already 7 members of the first team squad down effectively 8 when Kamberi is as good as gone. Whilst we won’t bring in 7 or 8 new players if we bring in 3 or 4 we’ll still have managed to reduce costs a fair bit.

[Smartie]

Sorry, how is Marciano a ''show pony''? He has been very good 90% of the time hes been here (4 seasons now). He is the absolute least of our worries. He is FAR more prone to top saves than ''expensive howlers''. I mean seriously...

We have no idea what wages Gray and McGregor are on. Probably quite decent but if it is performance based like many others, then they'll not be making that much.

Flo will move on.

Offers for Doidge really shouldn't be considered. That leaves us needing 2 or 3 strikers, what actual money would be left when that is done? No offensive to Paul McGinn but I'd sell him, Gray, McGregor, Mallan and most of the others before Doidge. His scappy goals will make a difference in tight, low quality games.

We're 3/4 quality players away from a really decent side. 2 good fullbacks, Gogic and a winger/forward would see us looking very strong IMO.

We might not have the best squad next season but this stuff really isn't helpful. Every player needs backing and we need to keep the quality core of guys like Rocky, Allan, Doidge, Boyle, Hanlon, Jackson etc together and get as much minutes from Porteous, Gullan, Murray, Block etc as we can.

Re Marciano - he's decent enough, but I get the feeling he was someone we pushed the boat out for. He's deservedly lost his place during both of the past 2 seasons. I'm not saying he's poor or anything even close to it but he's not brilliant either - and at a time when every penny is a prisoner, you need to be getting value for everything you spend. Jack Ross might think that he'd find an error prone goalkeeper who makes spectacular saves somewhere else for cheaper, with money saved to go towards a defensive midfielder who would help stop us having to have a goalkeeper who needs to make so many saves in the first place.

FWIW I think I broadly agree with much of the rest of your post, especially the bit about being 3-4 players away from a really good side. And some of the players I was a bit critical of could potentially still play a major part on and off the field if they got lucky with injuries and the right players were brought in to supplement them.

The problem I have is that without having much/ any money to strengthen, we're still quite a bit short at 3-4 players short. You're then starting to look at weakening stronger areas to fund those 3-4 players which I totally agree is a gamble.

The problem I think I have is seeing a way, starting from here, that ends up with a strong first team, a balanced squad and no glaring deficiencies given we've fallen so short of being in that position every summer for the past few years. It was arguably easier with the blank canvas post-relegation than it is from here, with a chunk of your budget tied up in players you harshly/ realistically/ probably won't get all that much of an end product from.

[MWHIBBIES]

Re Marciano - he's decent enough, but I get the feeling he was someone we pushed the boat out for. He's deservedly lost his place during both of the past 2 seasons. I'm not saying he's poor or anything even close to it but he's not brilliant either - and at a time when every penny is a prisoner, you need to be getting value for everything you spend. Jack Ross might think that he'd find an error prone goalkeeper who makes spectacular saves somewhere else for cheaper, with money saved to go towards a defensive midfielder who would help stop us having to have a goalkeeper who needs to make so many saves in the first place.

FWIW I think I broadly agree with much of the rest of your post, especially the bit about being 3-4 players away from a really good side. And some of the players I was a bit critical of could potentially still play a major part on and off the field if they got lucky with injuries and the right players were brought in to supplement them.

The problem I have is that without having much/ any money to strengthen, we're still quite a bit short at 3-4 players short. You're then starting to look at weakening stronger areas to fund those 3-4 players which I totally agree is a gamble.

The problem I think I have is seeing a way, starting from here, that ends up with a strong first team, a balanced squad and no glaring deficiencies given we've fallen so short of being in that position every summer for the past few years. It was arguably easier with the blank canvas post-relegation than it is from here, with a chunk of your budget tied up in players you harshly/ realistically/ probably won't get all that much of an end product from.

He has also earned his spot back twice and put in wonderful performances in doing so. We are definitely getting our money worth with Rocky.

[madhatter]

Need to drop the youngsters in.

Doig, Stirling, Campbell and Gallantes need to be in and around the first team or they'll never make it. Hibs seem to be gambling on late blossomers but if you look at the golden generation (whilst a bit freakish), they all had very short loans or were simply dropped in at a young age. There wasn't this out on loan for 2 seasons and see how you get on. I mean Sadiki was approaching 22...

We signed Jack Hodge and released him a year later. Why do some linger for so long when we can all be pretty sure that they'll be released eventually? Some have obvious talent and are retained but if they are 18 and are talented why loan to Division 2 again?

They will need to step up, we are not going to be making many (if any) signings.

[JammyDoidger]

Are the players still doing phone calls? Should leave that job to kamberi from now on :devil:

[ekhibee]

At the moment I think we're average but not relegation material just yet. We do need to bring in other players. A set of wing backs definitely, otherwise a striker like Doidge becomes pretty redundant, and a faster more mobile striker too. Contrary to some others I don't think we've got a particularly strong defence, for me they're often slow or prone to making errors. Midfield is okay, but there's some players like Scott Allan that have to show a lot more than they did for quite a few games last season. At the end of the day what we really need more than anything else is a motivational hard man who will kick ass if necessary. But whether we can afford a player like that is another matter.

It's a new season coming up, let's hope there's some new signings that will help us stay in the top 6, and that the players we have at the moment step up to the mark. Just my opinion.

[HendoDelivered]

Anyone readying a 50/60 million bid for SJM yet? :greengrin

[Duke of Currie]

Big deals for Gray and McGregor. Emotionally made sense at the time but how much football are we really going to see from them?

.

Would Gray and McGregor be encouraged to make the change in their contract (which I think was part of the deal) from a playing role to coaching/ambassador role. Still be at the club , but less wages

[Andy74]

At the moment I think we're average but not relegation material just yet. We do need to bring in other players. A set of wing backs definitely, otherwise a striker like Doidge becomes pretty redundant, and a faster more mobile striker too. Contrary to some others I don't think we've got a particularly strong defence, for me they're often slow or prone to making errors. Midfield is okay, but there's some players like Scott Allan that have to show a lot more than they did for quite a few games last season. At the end of the day what we really need more than anything else is a motivational hard man who will kick ass if necessary. But whether we can afford a player like that is another matter.

It's a new season coming up, let's hope there's some new signings that will help us stay in the top 6, and that the players we have at the moment step up to the mark. Just my opinion.

We've got a tendency to think we are the only team losing players and the only team not getting people in.

I wouldn't be reading too much into yesterday's announcement. Yes, we may be looking for the current players to have a bit of a correction salary wise and we may be cutting back aspects of the club infrastructure that aren't active right now anyway but I think we will be active in the market still.

We've been linked with a couple of wingers, with an interest in Nesbit still and Gogic was apparently offered a trial so we must be doing something out there.

[bingo70]

We've got a tendency to think we are the only team losing players and the only team not getting people in.

I wouldn't be reading too much into yesterday's announcement. Yes, we may be looking for the current players to have a bit of a correction salary wise and we may be cutting back aspects of the club infrastructure that aren't active right now anyway but I think we will be active in the market still.

We've been linked with a couple of wingers, with an interest in Nesbit still and Gogic was apparently offered a trial so we must be doing something out there.

That was before the loss of the maroon pound.

[JDT]

Would Gray and McGregor be encouraged to make the change in their contract (which I think was part of the deal) from a playing role to coaching/ambassador role. Still be at the club , but less wages

Good shout that. Lee Makel, Grant Murray and Colin Nish have all been let go so there's space for coaches and I could see Gray and McGregor both coaching and playing next season

[truehibernian]

If we have paid off Makel, Nishy and Grant Murray then it makes me think that there are coaching plans for Darren, SDG, and perhaps the return of Whitty.

[SMAXXA]

I’m not fussed about the coaches leaving other than I feel for them on a financial front and losing their jobs. Football side of it I’m happy we are making changes I feel too many people are in with the bricks and a freshness is long over due. Just a shame it’s under these circumstances and wish these guys the best going forward

[Greenbeard]

Are the players still doing phone calls? Should leave that job to kamberi from now on :devil:
I'd rather get a call from someone from Microsoft about my computer, or about that recent accident I had, in which I must have suffered amnesia.
Flo who?

[04Sauzee]

I’m not fussed about the coaches leaving other than I feel for them on a financial front and losing their jobs. Football side of it I’m happy we are making changes I feel too many people are in with the bricks and a freshness is long over due. Just a shame it’s under these circumstances and wish these guys the best going forward

How many coaches would it leave us with other than Ross, Potter and whoever the GC is going to be? Genuine question as I really don't know? Who will Eddie May be heading up? Is it likely that McGregor and Gray will concentrate solely on coaching? I know you probably don't know it's just a general question

[badabing67]

Does anyone think now would be a good time for the club to consider a share issue to fans. Would it not be the best way to raise more finance. We obviously need the money now. If it meant we could keep hold of our better players and get some new ones in. Would anyone go for it. Or even consider a voluntary increase in the price of season tickets.

[Hibs90]

Dundee United make bid for Nisbet.

:confused:

[The 90+2]

He deserves somewhere like The Humber

Fixed ;)

[The 90+2]

Dundee United make bid for Nisbet.

:confused:

Why’s that baffling?

[Hibs90]

Need to drop the youngsters in.

Doig, Stirling, Campbell and Gallantes need to be in and around the first team or they'll never make it. Hibs seem to be gambling on late blossomers but if you look at the golden generation (whilst a bit freakish), they all had very short loans or were simply dropped in at a young age. There wasn't this out on loan for 2 seasons and see how you get on. I mean Sadiki was approaching 22...

We signed Jack Hodge and released him a year later. Why do some linger for so long when we can all be pretty sure that they'll be released eventually? Some have obvious talent and are retained but if they are 18 and are talented why loan to Division 2 again?

They will need to step up, we are not going to be making many (if any) signings.

Because they are just not good enough. If they are good enough they will play. That falls directly at the head of youth development.

[The 90+2]

If we have paid off Makel, Nishy and Grant Murray then it makes me think that there are coaching plans for Darren, SDG, and perhaps the return of Whitty.

I would honestly prefer if they are all paid off then Jack Ross gets clean slate at everything like he’s getting with Potter and Samson.

[Hibs90]

Why’s that baffling?

I thought everyone was struggling and reducing costs as so many on here keep saying?

[Heisenberg]

Dundee United make bid for Nisbet.

:confused:

Their owner is continuing to chuck his own money at it.

[The 90+2]

I thought everyone was struggling and reducing costs as so many on here keep saying?

True. They’ve got Shankland to sell though. Everyone in the same boat is exaggerating things I do agree. Next posters will say they will go bust soon enough.

[The 90+2]

Their owner is continuing to chuck his own money at it.

Lucky them.

[18Craig75]

Re Marciano - he's decent enough, but I get the feeling he was someone we pushed the boat out for. He's deservedly lost his place during both of the past 2 seasons. I'm not saying he's poor or anything even close to it but he's not brilliant either - and at a time when every penny is a prisoner, you need to be getting value for everything you spend. Jack Ross might think that he'd find an error prone goalkeeper who makes spectacular saves somewhere else for cheaper, with money saved to go towards a defensive midfielder who would help stop us having to have a goalkeeper who needs to make so many saves in the first place.

FWIW I think I broadly agree with much of the rest of your post, especially the bit about being 3-4 players away from a really good side. And some of the players I was a bit critical of could potentially still play a major part on and off the field if they got lucky with injuries and the right players were brought in to supplement them.

The problem I have is that without having much/ any money to strengthen, we're still quite a bit short at 3-4 players short. You're then starting to look at weakening stronger areas to fund those 3-4 players which I totally agree is a gamble.

The problem I think I have is seeing a way, starting from here, that ends up with a strong first team, a balanced squad and no glaring deficiencies given we've fallen so short of being in that position every summer for the past few years. It was arguably easier with the blank canvas post-relegation than it is from here, with a chunk of your budget tied up in players you harshly/ realistically/ probably won't get all that much of an end product from.

This is a couple of posts you’ve made peddling the myth that Marciano throws in regular howlers. Name them...

Marciano is realistically as good as we will get at our level, and better than most. Heckingbottoms weird obsession with playing a 5ft nothing goalie who let in 90% of shots he faced seems to have changed some fans opinions on rocky, because he ‘couldn’t play out from the back’. Call me old fashioned but I’d rather see a keeper make an unbelievable save than ping a 30 yard World Cup pass to our fullbacks only for them to probably give it away.

[Heisenberg]

Lucky them.

Indeed. Hopefully he doesn’t get bored anytime soon.

[Clarence]

Maybe one benefit of closed doors games is that youngsters will get a chance to get a run in the team without getting pelters for a misplaced pass or wayward shot.

[Greenworld]

I’m not fussed about the coaches leaving other than I feel for them on a financial front and losing their jobs. Football side of it I’m happy we are making changes I feel too many people are in with the bricks and a freshness is long over due. Just a shame it’s under these circumstances and wish these guys the best going forwardAgree with that i would include Eddie may in that clear out , you wonder if Ron is using this a little for his own plans . Lots of businesses do it may not be quite as bad as we think looking in .

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[The 90+2]

Indeed. Hopefully he doesn’t get bored anytime soon.

I’m not going to sit around the next 2/5/10 years time claiming he will as many of our fans and others will. Lucky them and look to have landed on their feet.

[Stuart93]

Aye it’s a bit ***** to see a newly promoted club chucking £250k at your January target whilst we’re having to pay people off.

A right kick in the teeth for fans as well.

Also raises serious questions about the difference between Dundee Utd’s newish owner & our new owner.

[madhatter]

Because they are just not good enough. If they are good enough they will play. That falls directly at the head of youth development.

I agree with that actually. A club that continually talks about developing youth and being able to grow based on selling youth at a profit should really do a better job of developing youth. It isn't an easy thing but needs to be better if we are going to maintain that way of thinking. Otherwise we need to change thinking. Costs alot to maintain a youth infrastructure clearly and if you don't develop anything you are really just hemorrhaging funds.

[Hibs90]

Aye it’s a bit ***** to see a newly promoted club chucking £250k at your January target whilst we’re having to pay people off.

A right kick in the teeth for fans as well.

Especially a player we clearly want.

[The 90+2]

Maybe one benefit of closed doors games is that youngsters will get a chance to get a run in the team without getting pelters for a misplaced pass or wayward shot.

Yep. Because that’s why they don’t make it at Hibs and end up at Stirling Albion right enough. The fans fault.

Stephen Robinson this week said the fans wanted him out when Motherwell was third in the league a season after two cup finals - they have possibly the best youth policy in the league, is that because their fans are patient and don’t boo the manager or players? Or is it because they are doing something off the pitch? Always seems somehow to be the fault of our amazing supporters to some.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Dundee United make bid for Nisbet.

:confused:

Yup and sheep signing Johnny Hayes. Step up Ron Gordon the fans have stepped up now its over to you Ron.

[The 90+2]

Aye it’s a bit ***** to see a newly promoted club chucking £250k at your January target whilst we’re having to pay people off.

A right kick in the teeth for fans as well.

Also raises serious questions about the difference between Dundee Utd’s newish owner & our new owner.

I was going to get jnto it more last night mate but I genuinely think regardless of questions it’s time for us all to just get behind the club. Shares should be open again though, if we are that Skint and Gordon’s plans have halved/been shelved what is stopping the HSL buying more shares putting money in and protecting the club if Ron can’t spend more money? In fact I’ve talked myself back into a debate.

[HendoDelivered]

Dundee United make bid for Nisbet.

:confused:

He wont be coming here

[Alfred E Newman]

Aye it’s a bit ***** to see a newly promoted club chucking £250k at your January target whilst we’re having to pay people off.

A right kick in the teeth for fans as well.

Also raises serious questions about the difference between Dundee Utd’s newish owner & our new owner.

I remember Hearts once had an owner that threw money at them.

[Hibs90]

I agree with that actually. A club that continually talks about developing youth and being able to grow based on selling youth at a profit should really do a better job of developing youth. It isn't an easy thing but needs to be better if we are going to maintain that way of thinking. Otherwise we need to change thinking. Costs alot to maintain a youth infrastructure clearly and if you don't develop anything you are really just hemorrhaging funds.

Yup agreed.

I'm sure Eddie May and the rest of the guys bring something but ultimately their role is to produce players for the first team and with the exception of Porteous everyone else hasn't been good enough/unlucky with injuries. Problem is too you have a demanding fan base that expects results and if you are giving these guys a shot you aren't going to get consistent results and performances unless they are an exceptional crop such as the golden generation and even that generation were prone to a few shockers.

I'm not sure if replacing the staff in youth development is the right way to go, maybe we have trouble attracting the best youngsters in due to the location of HTC or maybe other reasons but something has to change otherwise it will just continue.