Summer 2020-21 transfer thread

[MWHIBBIES]

A half fit Griffiths would score more goals for us than a fit Kamberi .
Kamberi has shown his true colours and imo Lennon had his number .

I'll take my chances with Doidge and Nisbit. Griffiths is history.

[wookie70]

Poor from Griffith but more appalling man management from Lennon. This is a disciplinary matter and should be kept in house. Total lack of professionalism from both of them if what Lennon is saying is true

[The Modfather]

I don't want any half fit players at Hibs. Bringing back Riordan worked to a certain extent, O'Connor less so. I'd far prefer someone who works hard. Time to move on from Sparky.

Agree with this. I’d far rather we signed a young player like Nisbet who is hungry and on the way up than someone who, from the outside, appears to be in the process of wasting away the rest of his career. A switched on fully fit Griffiths, 100%. Can he get back to that, and probably more importantly, stay there, I’m not sure.

Shades of Riordan? Getting by on natural talent and youth for so long before not living a professional lifestyle takes its toll and finished at the level he could/should be playing at long before he should have been?

[B.H.F.C]

Aye, sounds just like his public slagging of Kamberi. That worked well, eh?

Maybe he was right about Kamberi, given the position we find ourselves in with him a year and a half after Lennon left?

[Since452]

Aye, sounds just like his public slagging of Kamberi. That worked well, eh?

I was one of the more vocal on here about Lennon and his antics but I've got to put my hands up and say he was right about Kamberi. Was almost as if calling him out publicly was to try and spur him on to getting his finger out. Hasn't tried a leg since he signed permanently.

[Since452]

Not sure I'd actually want him here. Making Kamberi look professional these days. His twitter is just embarrassing as well.

I made the same point on another thread. If he's out of condition and not being professional for Celtic then it isn't good enough for us either. I don't want us dropping our standards just because he's scored goals for us in the past and might come good again.

[The Modfather]

I was one of the more vocal on here about Lennon and his antics but I've got to put my hands up and say he was right about Kamberi. Was almost as if calling him out publicly was to try and spur him on to getting his finger out. Hasn't tried a leg since he signed permanently.

To be fair, from what I remember much of my criticism of Lennon wasn’t about what he said about Kamberi it was the sheer relentlessness of it. He never seemed to call out other players with the same vigour, far less accept any responsibility himself.

Lennon & Kamberi, two divisive figures we were/are probably best getting rid of IMO.

[JimBHibees]

From the outside looks very poor from Griffiths and no doubt there will be a lot of frustration from Celtic and Lennon which to me is reasonable from the club paying his wages. Particularly disappointing on a Scottish context.

[MWHIBBIES]

I was one of the more vocal on here about Lennon and his antics but I've got to put my hands up and say he was right about Kamberi. Was almost as if calling him out publicly was to try and spur him on to getting his finger out. Hasn't tried a leg since he signed permanently.

He has scored 21 goals since joining permanently. Unfair to say he hasn't tried a leg, he just hasn't been consistent and as good as he was on loan.

[Greenbeard]

Maybe he was right about Kamberi, given the position we find ourselves in with him a year and a half after Lennon left?
I agree that Lennon was 100% right about Kamberi.
But what is also 100% certain is that his public slagging did not work one jot.

[SHODAN]

Get Griffiths back, get him on an intensive weight loss regime, put him up front with Doidge and Nisbet and play 4-3-3.

[we are hibs]

Griffiths would be our best striker by a mile if we signed him. I cannot believe anyone whos watched him would say otherwise. It wont happen though and i think most are happy with Doidge and Nisbet with Gullan chipping in. But if he was available, and within our budget; you'd have to be a mad man to say "no thanks".

[Aldo]

Leigh Griffiths will not be returning to Hibs anytime soon.

Every transfer window his name crops up.

It’s good to dream though!


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[B.H.F.C]

Griffiths would be our best striker by a mile if we signed him. I cannot believe anyone whos watched him would say otherwise. It wont happen though and i think most are happy with Doidge and Nisbet with Gullan chipping in. But if he was available, and within our budget; you'd have to be a mad man to say "no thanks".

On one hand I agree. But I don’t think it would be unfair to make a comparison to Stokes, who when we signed him for his third spell, should have been our best striker by a mile. We ended up having to terminate his contract after six months.

Fit and available he’d be brilliant for us. But there would have to be serious doubts about whether he would be fit and available enough.

[we are hibs]

On one hand I agree. But I don’t think it would be unfair to make a comparison to Stokes, who when we signed him for his third spell, should have been our best striker by a mile. We ended up having to terminate his contract after six months.

Fit and available he’d be brilliant for us. But there would have to be serious doubts about whether he would be fit and available enough.


The thing with Stokes was that a lot of the time he didnt look like he was playing to the best of his ability, yet when you watch highlights back and look at his stats from his 2nd and 3rd spells, they're actually quite good and he was heavily involved in lots of good goals we scored. I think the difference is that Griffiths will run himself into the ground trying to make a impact and be a constant pest whereas Stokes only runs when he needs to and will hold some back. I can see the comparison though because they both have flaws but thats arguably why theyre both excellent players because they play on the edge.

[Smartie]

I spoke to my Celtic supporting mate.

No sympathy for Griffiths whatsoever who has run out of chances in his opinion. He says that Lennon has reined in his public slaying of players since he went back and this time he’s entirely justified.

My mate says Griffiths needs to drop a level to somewhere where he will be indulged.

[JimBHibees]

I spoke to my Celtic supporting mate.

No sympathy for Griffiths whatsoever who has run out of chances in his opinion. He says that Lennon has reined in his public slaying of players since he went back and this time he’s entirely justified.

My mate says Griffiths needs to drop a level to somewhere where he will be indulged.

If I was a Celtic fan I would be seething at Griffiths.

[J-C]

More excellent man management from Lennon.


Really? The laddie's on a bloody good wage and was given a fitness regime to stick to during lockdown, everyone else seems to have stuck to it except Leigh. He's a pro footballer and unless injured he should be in a fit enough condition to play as one, being called out like this is Lennon giving him his last chance to sort himself out, we all know he had problems earlier and Celtic stuck by him, it's now time for Leigh to repay his bosses.

[thegaffer12]

Neil Lennon on Leigh Griffiths


I’m not happy. I think that’s fairly obvious by the fact that we’ve left him behind.


“He’s come back out of condition and overweight. Any physical work we asked him to do he was coming out of saying he was injured. That’s going to be the case because he’s out of condition.


“It would have been absolutely pointless bringing him with us. We had an extensive week in Loughborough and he wouldn’t have been fit to play the games here. The ball is firmly in his court in terms of getting in the right condition. “He needs to stop all the social media nonsense with all these slogans he puts out there.


“The boys here are all top professionals and I have a great staff who are all professional as well. They deserve better and he should know better.


“He needs to get his head down and get fit because that’s what we pay him for.”


Lennon admitted he gave Griffiths a blast. He said: “Did I have words with him? I did, yeah. I told him he wouldn’t be coming on the trip and that we were bitterly disappointed in how he’s come back.


“Since then I’m disappointed with his reaction on social media when we’ve asked him not to engage on it because it just becomes a downward spiral.


“We’ve done everything we possibly could. He’s had a long lay-off, he came back and he got back into the team. For me he was still a bit short fitness-wise but enough to get through the Scottish games.


“But if he wants to have a future here at the club it’s down to himself. We’re not prepared to do a lot more for him. Everything’s there for him. He’s let himself down and he’s let us down.


“You can never say never about chances but he’s got a lot to do to get back around it. It shouldn’t have come to this. He shouldn’t have been out of condition and shouldn’t have. been heavier.”

Surely he could have stopped after that first paragraph and the media would have their answer? No need to hang out dirty laundry to that extent!

[J-C]

To be fair, from what I remember much of my criticism of Lennon wasn’t about what he said about Kamberi it was the sheer relentlessness of it. He never seemed to call out other players with the same vigour, far less accept any responsibility himself.

Lennon & Kamberi, two divisive figures we were/are probably best getting rid of IMO.


TBF most of us didn't realise what was going on behind the scenes and what Kamberi was actually like. We knew Lennon was volatile but we seen it as a relentless attack on the player in the dressing room and in the press, I suppose there's only so much a manager can take before either he goes or the player does. There's many stories about Fergie and his bollocking of certain players, sometimes he got the right reaction, other times the player would be out the door and a new one brought in.

[we are hibs]

Really? The laddie's on a bloody good wage and was given a fitness regime to stick to during lockdown, everyone else seems to have stuck to it except Leigh. He's a pro footballer and unless injured he should be in a fit enough condition to play as one, being called out like this is Lennon giving him his last chance to sort himself out, we all know he had problems earlier and Celtic stuck by him, it's now time for Leigh to repay his bosses.

Yes really. Lennon is a horrific man manager as hes proven on numerous occassions. You do these things privately. Not in full view of the media. But he never learns. Thats not me saying Griffiths isnt in the wrong, but Lennon's reaction yet again is over the top.

[ancient hibee]

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The thing with Stokes was that a lot of the time he didnt look like he was playing to the best of his ability, yet when you watch highlights back and look at his stats from his 2nd and 3rd spells, they're actually quite good and he was heavily involved in lots of good goals we scored. I think the difference is that Griffiths will run himself into the ground trying to make a impact and be a constant pest whereas Stokes only runs when he needs to and will hold some back. I can see the comparison though because they both have flaws but thats arguably why theyre both excellent players because they play on the edge.

Griffiths run himself into the ground? That’s the whole problem isn’t it?He’s not even fit enough to train.

[Billy Whizz]

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Griffiths run himself into the ground? That’s the whole problem isn’t it?He’s not even fit enough to train.

Surely they were keeping an eye on him during lockdown, and it wasn’t a surprise to see him turn up overweight

[J-C]

Yes really. Lennon is a horrific man manager as hes proven on numerous occassions. You do these things privately. Not in full view of the media. But he never learns. Thats not me saying Griffiths isnt in the wrong, but Lennon's reaction yet again is over the top.


It's amazing then that any player wants to work for the guy but they still do, or is it just he has high standards and certain players are just dicks, many many players have nothing but good things to say about him as a manager.

[J-C]

Surely they were keeping an eye on him during lockdown, and it wasn’t a surprise to see him turn up overweight


They had him on a training regime that all the other players were on and he obviously wasn't doing it. For a player to come back that unfit we're not talking about a couple of pounds but more than likely a half to 3 quarters of a stone too heavy.

[Brightside]

I dont want a player that requires this amount of management. General fitness has to be the responsibility of the player, and how you conduct yourself away from the pitch is 100% the players responsibility. Its a very short career just give everything you've got to be the best you can be.

[JimBHibees]

Surely they were keeping an eye on him during lockdown, and it wasn’t a surprise to see him turn up overweight

Even virtually you would assume he would have had to do the training and his performance remotely monitored by the club including things like weight and adherence to nutrition input. Seems a little odd.

[Sean1875]

BBC summary of ins and outs. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53432796
Looking at this it must be odds-on Hamilton to struggle to beat the drop?
Mind you a neutral reading this might think we have lost better players than we have brought in.

In fairness I say that every year. If there was a nuclear war the only things that would remain are cockroaches and Hamiltons top league status, dont know how they do it.

[Brightside]

Even virtually you would assume he would have had to do the training and his performance remotely monitored by the club including things like weight and adherence to nutrition input. Seems a little odd.

He missed them as he was busy doing TikToks.

[JimBHibees]

He missed them as he was busy doing TikToks.

That would surely have keep his fitness levels up. :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Even virtually you would assume he would have had to do the training and his performance remotely monitored by the club including things like weight and adherence to nutrition input. Seems a little odd.

And he wasn’t furloughed, so they were able to keep in contact with him

Poor show from him, he knows how big a season it is for Celtic and Scotland

[hibeejeebies]

Leigh to come on and score a last minute winner into Celtic as Hibs win the 2020 Scottish Cup, celebrating by giving Lenny the John Collins "now that's what an athlete looks like" six-pack reveal.

Heard it here first.

[Andy74]

It's amazing then that any player wants to work for the guy but they still do, or is it just he has high standards and certain players are just dicks, many many players have nothing but good things to say about him as a manager.

I think he’s proven to be an excellent man manager and this view of him as volatile and horrific to work with is total nonsense.

The Kamberi thing is way overblown here. A bit of criticism has turned into some sort of relentless bullying.

[04Sauzee]

Hearts fans saying they were offered Docherty last season on loan but turned him down

[neil7908]

Leigh to come on and score a last minute winner into Celtic as Hibs win the 2020 Scottish Cup, celebrating by giving Lenny the John Collins "now that's what an athlete looks like" six-pack reveal.

Heard it here first.

That's after he scores a hatrick against Hearts in the semi final of course

[HendoDelivered]

Hearts fans saying they were offered Docherty last season on loan but turned him down

😂😂

[Since452]

Hearts fans saying they were offered Docherty last season on loan but turned him down

Aye good one. The whipping boys turned down Docherty lol.

[The 90+2]

Aye good one. The whipping boys turned down Docherty lol.

It definitely happened. Rangers wanted that huddy Uche instead of Kamberi in return. 🤣

[JohnM1875]

Hearts fans saying they were offered Docherty last season on loan but turned him down

I mean, even if that is true. Just shows how poorly managed they've been for some time now.

[04Sauzee]

😂😂

They reckon it was on the Terrace Podcast?

[Stuart93]

I mean, even if that is true. Just shows how poorly managed they've been for some time now.

Aye this is it. If they were offered him on loan & went for that boy Sibbick who I think played about 2 games then shows how badly they’re run

[KeithTheHibby]

Yes really. Lennon is a horrific man manager as hes proven on numerous occassions. You do these things privately. Not in full view of the media. But he never learns. Thats not me saying Griffiths isnt in the wrong, but Lennon's reaction yet again is over the top.

Of course, his man-management is that bad he's done nothing but win trophies his entire managerial career.

I haven't read 1 article from a player who served under him complaining. All we have is rumours to do with a player who we would love to be shot of.

I loved Lennon's time as our manager and was gutted when he left. We still don't know the full story however he wasn't out of work long before the biggest club in the country came calling to steady the ship and guess what he has delivered on every occasion.
I get at times he did seem a bit outspoken however I would imagine a lot of it is down to sheer frustration - the Hearts game at Tynecastle when we lost and could have finished second in the league springs to mind.
He's a passionate guy, sometimes it's hard to hide that.
I also think LG is finished at Celtic.

[J-C]

Of course, his man-management is that bad he's done nothing but win trophies his entire managerial career.

I haven't read 1 article from a player who served under him complaining. All we have is rumours to do with a player who we would love to be shot of.

I loved Lennon's time as our manager and was gutted when he left. We still don't know the full story however he wasn't out of work long before the biggest club in the country came calling to steady the ship and guess what he has delivered on every occasion.
I get at times he did seem a bit outspoken however I would imagine a lot of it is down to sheer frustration - the Hearts game at Tynecastle when we lost and could have finished second in the league springs to mind.
He's a passionate guy, sometimes it's hard to hide that.
I also think LG is finished at Celtic.


Lennon didn't leave us because of Kamberi but what he said to other members of staff.

[KeithTheHibby]

Lennon didn't leave us because of Kamberi but what he said to other members of staff.

Which is all speculation and he literally walked into a higher profile job so I’ll take the rumours with a pinch of salt.


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[Leitherhibs]

They reckon it was on the Terrace Podcast?

It was on the Terrace, IIRC Joel Sked said it they'd been offered Doc but captain gegendepressing turned him down to sign Marcel Langer.

[Unseen work]

We are miles off being in the position where we could no to signing Griffiths if he became available and affordable - Which I strongly doubt.

People had concerns about his mental health/fitness/sharpness in January when he was being linked, since then to the season ending at the start of March he scored 8 goals.

If we got him you’d imagine we would then sell Doidge as I imagine he would have plenty interested clubs and we would get a decent fee. We couldn’t justify having Griffiths, Doidge, Nisbet and Gullan.

Also, a lot of Rangers fans never seemed impressed with Docherty last night and seemed to think he was quite a bit off the quality of the other players, hopefully works in our favour.

I don’t doubt Hearts we’re offered him fwiw, clubs offer players all the time. It doesn’t mean they’re close to signing though, we will get offered numerous players each transfer window that we won’t fancy.

[MWHIBBIES]

Which is all speculation and he literally walked into a higher profile job so I’ll take the rumours with a pinch of salt.


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Take the form in his last 20 games as the truth. Was getting sacked very soon regardless of the drama. Done an awful job of replacing Stubbs team.

[KeithTheHibby]

Take the form in his last 20 games as the truth. Was getting sacked very soon regardless of the drama. Done an awful job of replacing Stubbs team.

Tough gig replacing Mcginn Mcgeouch and Allan. Klopp would have struggled to do that.


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[Unseen work]

Tough gig replacing Mcginn Mcgeouch and Allan. Klopp would have struggled to do that.


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The funny thing is I actually thought even with losing them we were away to have a really good season and kick on when you look at who Lennon had signed

Summer;
Bogdan
Milligan
Hyndman
Mallan
Kamberi
MaClaren
Aygepong
Horgan
Nelom
Mavrias

January;
Gauld
Mcnulty
Omeonga

The signings in the summer, at least on paper, all looked very good imo and I thought we would kick on especially with Milligan impressing when he first arrived. We tailed off horribly thought but then in January I was confident again when I saw him bring in those 3 mentioned.

Very difficult changing a team on the pitch and making them gel, albeit we did have some very good performances especially against Celtic and Hamilton.

[MWHIBBIES]

Tough gig replacing Mcginn Mcgeouch and Allan. Klopp would have struggled to do that.


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Eh, maybe yeah but he didn't have to direct replace them, just to sign quality players in midfield.


He was in charge for longer than Stubbs and probably only improved the goalie (Marciano for Oxley) and one central defensive position (Ambrose for Fontaine).

[JimBHibees]

Hearts fans saying they were offered Docherty last season on loan but turned him down

The fact this was never mentioned at the time given that clubs obsession with Hibs marks that down for me as bollox. Even more so given the current state of delusion in Gorgie

[superfurryhibby]

Eh, maybe yeah but he didn't have to direct replace them, just to sign quality players in midfield.


He was in charge for longer than Stubbs and probably only improved the goalie (Marciano for Oxley) and one central defensive position (Ambrose for Fontaine).

If only football was that simple. Basic fact is that the departing players clearly did need replaced. We lose that best central midfield at the club in my adult life and voila, all we needed to do was sign more quality midfielders....easy.

[The 90+2]

If only football was that simple. Basic fact is that the departing players clearly did need replaced. We lose that best central midfield at the club in my adult life and voila, all we needed to do was sign more quality midfielders....easy.

Sorry for the thread hijack but erm Sauzee and Latapy where much better.

[Jim44]

Hearts fans saying they were offered Docherty last season on loan but turned him down


The fact this was never mentioned at the time given that clubs obsession with Hibs marks that down for me as bollox. Even more so given the current state of delusion in Gorgie

I also think that’s nonsense, but to be honest, I think that a loan to Hearts this season with a more or less certain start every week is probably more likely than a loan back to us. If Kamberi will not go for a loan deal to Rangers, I can't see Docherty coming back to ER. He is only on the fringe of things at Ibrox and has to get regular games to cling on to a Rangers career.

[MWHIBBIES]

If only football was that simple. Basic fact is that the departing players clearly did need replaced. We lose that best central midfield at the club in my adult life and voila, all we needed to do was sign more quality midfielders....easy.

Stubbs managed to sign them? Along with Fyvie, Henderson and Bartley. It cant be that difficult.

[Dmas]

If only football was that simple. Basic fact is that the departing players clearly did need replaced. We lose that best central midfield at the club in my adult life and voila, all we needed to do was sign more quality midfielders....easy.

They didn’t just up and leave though, NL had plenty time IMO to find quality and adjust a system to fit he didn’t do either, he was actively bumping up mcginns price tag new he was going, mcgeoch knocked back a new deal so he was aware he was leaving and allan was on loan so it wasn’t a suprise to NL or hibs those 3 where away.

I think NL is given a much easier time of it because of that spell after the Jan window when we where flying, we where hopeless leading up to that no bite up front nothing to cut teams open it was dire, just like the season when he left it was rubbish and him constantly throwing toys out the pram and disappearing didn’t help one bit.

[MWHIBBIES]

They didn’t just up and leave though, NL had plenty time IMO to find quality and adjust a system to fit he didn’t do either, he was actively bumping up mcginns price tag new he was going, mcgeoch knocked back a new deal so he was aware he was leaving and allan was on loan so it wasn’t a suprise to NL or hibs those 3 where away.

I think NL is given a much easier time of it because of that spell after the Jan window when we where flying, we where hopeless leading up to that no bite up front nothing to cut teams open it was dire, just like the season when he left it was rubbish and him constantly throwing toys out the pram and disappearing didn’t help one bit.

Alright, I'm all for having a go at Lennon being overrated but you are going WAY to far in the other direction. It was not dire and we were not toothless up front. We were one of the best sides in the league before Kamberi and McLaren and Allan, we just needed that extra firepower to turn draws into wins. We'd already beaten Hearts, Rangers and got a draw away at Celtic and got to a league cup semi.

[Northernhibee]

Eh, maybe yeah but he didn't have to direct replace them, just to sign quality players in midfield.


He was in charge for longer than Stubbs and probably only improved the goalie (Marciano for Oxley) and one central defensive position (Ambrose for Fontaine).

He’s won absolutely nothing when he doesn’t have the biggest budget in the competition. Bang average manager, poor man manager, much less clever than he believes he is and signed a lot of dross that we are still trying to get rid of (Kamberi, Horgan, Slivka who just left recently).

We had a few great months at the end of his second season with us, before and after that was mediocre.

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s won absolutely nothing when he doesn’t have the biggest budget in the competition. Bang average manager, poor man manager, much less clever than he believes he is and signed a lot of dross that we are still trying to get rid of (Kamberi, Horgan, Slivka who just left recently).

We had a few great months at the end of his second season with us, before and after that was mediocre.

Again this is WAY too far in the other direction. None of those players are dross for a start. Inconsistent maybe but those players have had moments here that put them WAY above dross. Dross is Rowan Vine, not those guys.

[04Sauzee]

He’s won absolutely nothing when he doesn’t have the biggest budget in the competition. Bang average manager, poor man manager, much less clever than he believes he is and signed a lot of dross that we are still trying to get rid of (Kamberi, Horgan, Slivka who just left recently).
We had a few great months at the end of his second season with us, before and after that was mediocre.
Are we actively trying to get rid of Horgan?

[Northernhibee]

Again this is WAY too far in the other direction. None of those players are dross for a start. Inconsistent maybe but those players have had moments here that put them WAY above dross. Dross is Rowan Vine, not those guys.

In fact, in hindsight I’d use the word “erratic” for man management as opposed to poor - the constant rants when things didn’t go our way were tiresome. But we signed so many players who were on a good wage and failed to improve us - Big Dave, Slivka, Swanson, Stokes, Horgan and more - I can’t say that anything I’ve put is wrong.

He was fortunate to inherit two thirds of a great midfield and that Celtic wanted Bain so we could swap him for Allan and complete that midfield.

Some great results under him, a lot more of some really tough to watch football and poor results too.

[SMAXXA]

I'll take my chances with Doidge and Nisbit. Griffiths is history.

What do you mean he’s history?

[Northernhibee]

Are we actively trying to get rid of Horgan?

I don’t know, but he doesn’t add much to the team IMO.

[JimBHibees]

I also think that’s nonsense, but to be honest, I think that a loan to Hearts this season with a more or less certain start every week is probably more likely than a loan back to us. If Kamberi will not go for a loan deal to Rangers, I can't see Docherty coming back to ER. He is only on the fringe of things at Ibrox and has to get regular games to cling on to a Rangers career.

You may be right however would be surprised if Greg was happy playing Championship level in a cut down league.

[Inconsequential]

They didn’t just up and leave though, NL had plenty time IMO to find quality and adjust a system to fit he didn’t do either, he was actively bumping up mcginns price tag new he was going, mcgeoch knocked back a new deal so he was aware he was leaving and allan was on loan so it wasn’t a suprise to NL or hibs those 3 where away.

I think NL is given a much easier time of it because of that spell after the Jan window when we where flying, we where hopeless leading up to that no bite up front nothing to cut teams open it was dire, just like the season when he left it was rubbish and him constantly throwing toys out the pram and disappearing didn’t help one bit. Same old, same old with Hibs though. No matter who is the manager is quality players are sold and never replaced with the same quality. That has always been the case in my 48 years of supporting Hibs. It is a difficult task for anybody due to the wage structure at the club to entice top quality replacements. I liked Lennon he had ambitions for the club but I can't deny the team were in a crest of a slump just before he left. I think he lost heart when the reality set in. Celtic can replace their quality players with players of similar ability but it is a difficult task for any Hibs manager. In an ideal world there should be quality coming through from the development side but with an exception or two there hasn't been.

[Greenbeard]

Are we actively trying to get rid of Horgan?

I’ll not be greetin if Heid-Doon Horgan goes. Don’t think he has contributed enough consistently. Two goals at Tiny were barry but the exception to the rule. Do we need him with Wright on board?

[MWHIBBIES]

In fact, in hindsight I’d use the word “erratic” for man management as opposed to poor - the constant rants when things didn’t go our way were tiresome. But we signed so many players who were on a good wage and failed to improve us - Big Dave, Slivka, Swanson, Stokes, Horgan and more - I can’t say that anything I’ve put is wrong.

He was fortunate to inherit two thirds of a great midfield and that Celtic wanted Bain so we could swap him for Allan and complete that midfield.

Some great results under him, a lot more of some really tough to watch football and poor results too.

You cant put Big Dave, a guy who never actually started a single match, in the same bracket as Horgan (winner at Tynie) and Slivka (3 winners vs Old firm).

Those guys had/have quality but didn't/dont show it often enough. They were miles from dross and rubbish and whatever other words to use. Bad signings are Nelom, Mavrias, Hyndman, Big Dave, Swanson. Guys who actually offered nothing.

[04Sauzee]

I’ll not be greetin if Heid-Doon Horgan goes. Don’t think he has contributed enough consistently. Two goals at Tiny were barry but the exception to the rule. Do we need him with Wright on board?

Wasn't really the point I was making I had my say on Horgan on another thread, might even have been this thread 😅

Just the poster said we are trying to get rid of Horgan and Kamberi

[Dmas]

Alright, I'm all for having a go at Lennon being overrated but you are going WAY to far in the other direction. It was not dire and we were not toothless up front. We were one of the best sides in the league before Kamberi and McLaren and Allan, we just needed that extra firepower to turn draws into wins. We'd already beaten Hearts, Rangers and got a draw away at Celtic and got to a league cup semi.

Stokes was so poor we paid him off with very little anger from us and we almost chewed the South Africans hands off for the the Simon Murray deal they where toothless and as much of the problem why we where’nt turning draws into wins, it was bottom 6 performances until the changes in the Jan it was honking, and everyone else’s fault bar lennon...much like period afterwards

[MWHIBBIES]

Stokes was so poor we paid him off with very little anger from us and we almost chewed the South Africans hands off for the the Simon Murray deal they where toothless and as much of the problem why we where’nt turning draws into wins, it was bottom 6 performances until the changes in the Jan it was honking, and everyone else’s fault bar lennon...much like period afterwards

Stokes didn't get paid off because of his performances. They weren't great but not anywhere near as bad as you are saying. Those 2 scored 25 goals between them in the first half of the season. Many more than Kamberi and MacLaren got. Thats without Allan behind them. As I've said, we improved yes but we were also a very good side before that window, just missing the final pieces.

Here are some of our bottom six performances from that first half of the season


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40835318

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41370220

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41646985

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41703763

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41730535

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42212528

Hopefully we're that bad again next season.

[Brightside]

We arent buying Stokes..... Can we please talk about actual potential transfer targets. Its not hard ffs!

[Vault Boy]

Anybody seen much of the Ayr left back we've been rumoured to be looking at, Daniel Harvie?

He played a few games for Aberdeen, but I can't remember watching him to be honest.

If so, how do you think he and Doig compare?

[The Modfather]

Are we actively trying to get rid of Horgan?

I certainly hope we are. He cost a fee and will be in a wage to match that. We’ve had very little value from him.

[Haymaker]

Did someone say Leigh Griffiths..?!


:hyper

[Clarence]

We’ve just spent 250K on Nisbet, where are we getting the 150K for Griffiths from?

[hibbysam]

We’ve just spent 250K on Nisbet, where are we getting the 150K for Griffiths from?

Savings from Tam and Joyce + 74 others’ wages.

[04Sauzee]

Not a transfer but some stats on some players. Mallan and Newell and Doidge score well

Not sure what it's good for?

https://twitter.com/TheGersReport/status/1284188191851855872?s=19

[Gaffer1875]

We’ve just spent 250K on Nisbet, where are we getting the 150K for Griffiths from?

Apparently it was/is only £50k!

Jokes aside, if LG is not fit for Celtic he’s not fit for us. He’s 29 years old, should have at least 5 years left of he screws the nut but I’m not sure he can.

He must be on £15k per week +. It’s a complete non starter.


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[04Sauzee]

#NUFC reportedly lining up a move for John McGinn if Aston Villa are relegated https://t.co/0gu2CIMyd3 https://t.co/zawXljNlSo

[Billy Whizz]

#NUFC reportedly lining up a move for John McGinn if Aston Villa are relegated https://t.co/0gu2CIMyd3 https://t.co/zawXljNlSo

Anyone going to Newcastle needs to take a deep breath. A long term basket case of a club

[J-C]

#NUFC reportedly lining up a move for John McGinn if Aston Villa are relegated https://t.co/0gu2CIMyd3 https://t.co/zawXljNlSo

Bruce is a big fan and seemingly it was him that convinced McGinn to join Villa, hed fit in well there.

[04Sauzee]

Livingston looking at Jason Holt, woukd be a good signing for them

[Inconsequential]

Savings from Tam and Joyce + 74 others’ wages. So £400,000 just appears in Hibs bank account overnight? In reality it doesn't work like that. I think Clarence and myself understand that.

[Fergus52]

Not a transfer but some stats on some players. Mallan and Newell and Doidge score well

Not sure what it's good for?

https://twitter.com/TheGersReport/status/1284188191851855872?s=19

Depends what stats/metrics he's used as inputs to generate that number - which he didn't share so could mean **** all.

Newell 5th highest in the league though - do think we look a much better team when he's playing, either at LWB or CM.

[tonyrougier123]

I certainly hope we are. He cost a fee and will be in a wage to match that. We’ve had very little value from him.

Bit inconsistent,but the laddie is explosive at times,I enjoy watching him play.seen massively worse midfield players come and go,horgan certainly isn't the type you try to move on.

[CapitalGreen]

Anyone going to Newcastle needs to take a deep breath. A long term basket case of a club

To be fair the last 2 clubs he signed for could also have been described in that manner.

[tonyrougier123]

Livingston looking at Jason Holt, woukd be a good signing for them

Livvy know how to piece a squad together,will be a tough game for us next season.

[wookie70]

Of course, his man-management is that bad he's done nothing but win trophies his entire managerial career.

I haven't read 1 article from a player who served under him complaining. All we have is rumours to do with a player who we would love to be shot of.

I loved Lennon's time as our manager and was gutted when he left. We still don't know the full story however he wasn't out of work long before the biggest club in the country came calling to steady the ship and guess what he has delivered on every occasion.
I get at times he did seem a bit outspoken however I would imagine a lot of it is down to sheer frustration - the Hearts game at Tynecastle when we lost and could have finished second in the league springs to mind.
He's a passionate guy, sometimes it's hard to hide that.
I also think LG is finished at Celtic. The Hearts game after match comments were terrible. He changed a winning team and took little responsibility. He never even knew the points situation.

[HendoDelivered]

#NUFC reportedly lining up a move for John McGinn if Aston Villa are relegated https://t.co/0gu2CIMyd3 https://t.co/zawXljNlSo

Tasty.

[hibbysam]

So £400,000 just appears in Hibs bank account overnight? In reality it doesn't work like that. I think Clarence and myself understand that.

Glad the joke went straight over your head.

[Scott Allan Key]

Depends what stats/metrics he's used as inputs to generate that number - which he didn't share so could mean **** all.

Newell 5th highest in the league though - do think we look a much better team when he's playing, either at LWB or CM.

Must admit, when Newell got the corners going in, I started expected goals and we obliged. Great player.

[04Sauzee]

Dazjambo the man with all the inside info reckons Hearts have had an bid for Butcher of Dundee Utd turned down but they will go back in with another bid., reckons they will get his man but may take 2 to 3 weeks yet.

[JammyDoidger]

Dazjambo the man with all the inside info reckons Hearts have had an bid for Butcher of Dundee Utd turned down but they will go back in with another bid., reckons they will get his man but may take 2 to 3 weeks yet.

let's hope they get him as he's Absoloutely brutal!

[Dmas]

We arent buying Stokes..... Can we please talk about actual potential transfer targets. Its not hard ffs!

There is no rumours to talk about, we’re discussing past windows, still on topic and about hibs as requested last time you took a moan

[J-C]

There is no rumours to talk about, we’re discussing past windows, still on topic and about hibs as requested last time you took a moan


TBF the last 5 pages of this thread is a car crash, even if could we talk about possible players coming and not transfer windows and managers from 2-3 seasons ago.

[Since452]

Dazjambo the man with all the inside info reckons Hearts have had an bid for Butcher of Dundee Utd turned down but they will go back in with another bid., reckons they will get his man but may take 2 to 3 weeks yet.

My source tells me Hearts are unwilling to accept the Celtic clause so when Butcher turns them down that'll be the reason. Definitely that. No other reason.

[H18 SFR]

Anybody seen much of the Ayr left back we've been rumoured to be looking at, Daniel Harvie?

He played a few games for Aberdeen, but I can't remember watching him to be honest.

If so, how do you think he and Doig compare?

He signed for MK Dons apparently. He’s technically a decent enough player, just lacks natural pace. He is a very good tactical fouler, not surprising given his Aberdeen years.

[hibbycraig]

#NUFC reportedly lining up a move for John McGinn if Aston Villa are relegated https://t.co/0gu2CIMyd3 https://t.co/zawXljNlSo

Would be a great move for him I think. The longstaff brothers look to be away so Mcginn would probably get straight into the team.

[Since452]

Newcastle would be a bit of a sideways move really but I guess he'd want to stay in the top league.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Newcastle would be a bit of a sideways move really but I guess he'd want to stay in the top league.

I see it as a step up if villa are relegated, plus if the takeover happens then he will be playing with much better signings also. Could be a great move for him.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

If the Newcastle sale goes through I can’t see Bruce being in charge next season

[Brightside]

There is no rumours to talk about, we’re discussing past windows, still on topic and about hibs as requested last time you took a moan

Hibs players from years ago is not on topic for a transfer thread for this season. The thread has become unreadable with the amount of daft bickering on it. Summer 20-21 Transfers.

[bawheid]

Hibs players from years ago is not on topic for a transfer thread for this season. The thread has become unreadable with the amount of daft bickering on it. Summer 20-21 Transfers.

Have you ever read a hibs.net summer transfer thread before?

[Brightside]

Have you ever read a hibs.net summer transfer thread before?

I’m giving up reading this one tbh. 😂

[calumhibee1]

Dazjambo the man with all the inside info reckons Hearts have had an bid for Butcher of Dundee Utd turned down but they will go back in with another bid., reckons they will get his man but may take 2 to 3 weeks yet.

29 years old, won’t be a kick in the arse of 30 by the time their season starts and recently signed a new contract until 2023 so will command a decent fee.

Hearts showing yet again that they don’t have a clue what they’re doing with money.

[bawheid]

I’m giving up reading this one tbh. 😂

We make about 4-5 signings on average in a window and these threads generate about 30 posts a day for three months. Most of it will be nonsense.

[J-C]

Newcastle would be a bit of a sideways move really but I guess he'd want to stay in the top league.

He's had 1 season in the top league and yet to prove himself in it, playing for a poor Villa team hasn't helped him TBH. Newcastle are a decent mid table club and Bruce does seem to like him, a decent season in a half decent team and maybe then he'll get his move to a bigger club.

[calumhibee1]

He's had 1 season in the top league and yet to prove himself in it, playing for a poor Villa team hasn't helped him TBH. Newcastle are a decent mid table club and Bruce does seem to like him, a decent season in a half decent team and maybe then he'll get his move to a bigger club.

:agree:

[Brightside]

We make about 4-5 signings on average in a window and these threads generate about 30 posts a day for three months. Most of it will be nonsense.

Nonsense about people we might sign we be a start. How about Jordon Houston for a starter.

[Theinsider]

Nonsense about people we might sign we be a start. How about Jordon Houston for a starter.


Signed for Ayr in Jan no? Young fullback, ex hun is all I know about him.

:greengrin

[sean04]

Newcastle would be a bit of a sideways move really but I guess he'd want to stay in the top league.

If the Newcastle sale goes thru it certainly won’t be a side ways step

[JimBHibees]

Dazjambo the man with all the inside info reckons Hearts have had an bid for Butcher of Dundee Utd turned down but they will go back in with another bid., reckons they will get his man but may take 2 to 3 weeks yet.

Absolute thug so will fit in well.

[Gaffer1875]

Nonsense about people we might sign we be a start. How about Jordon Houston for a starter.

Attacking right back, was highly thought of a Murray park. Signed for Ayr in Jan where his dad who I play golf with told me we were interested.


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[Crab apple]

Absolute thug so will fit in well.

Always came across that way in the games I saw on tv. Booked eight times last season.

[Greenbeard]

If the Newcastle sale goes through I can’t see Bruce being in charge next season
That is a possibility in which case I hope he gets the deal done before he goes 'cos I suspect his valuation of SJM will be higher than most other managers. Cash out now I say to give us some decent stake money to reinvest. I don't think SJM has proved himself enough at Villa (yet?) to make it worthwhile hoping he will be a big-money signing for one of the top five.

[Crab apple]

If SJM goes to Newcastle do we also get a cut of any subsequent sale?

[nonshinyfinish]

If SJM goes to Newcastle do we also get a cut of any subsequent sale?

Depends on the terms of both the agreement we made with Villa and the hypothetical agreement Villa would make with Newcastle. So no one knows.

[BlackSheep]

Depends on the terms of both the agreement we made with Villa and the hypothetical agreement Villa would make with Newcastle. So no one knows.

Steve Bruce knows... he is quoted as saying the sell on clause from hibs is the biggest he has seen too. I’m sure the Newcastle board will be pressing him for more details.

[nonshinyfinish]

Steve Bruce knows... he is quoted as saying the sell on clause from hibs is the biggest he has seen too. I’m sure the Newcastle bird will be pressing him for more details.

The question was whether we get a cut of subsequent transfers after SJM moving to Newcastle.

If the transfer to Newcastle happens but doesn't include a sell-on clause or other future income, then it doesn't matter what sell-on clause we have with Villa, we wouldn't get any money from subsequent transfers.

[CMurdoch]

If SJM goes to Newcastle do we also get a cut of any subsequent sale?

Wouldn't have thought so. Too restrictive.

[Brightside]

Attacking right back, was highly thought of a Murray park. Signed for Ayr in Jan where his dad who I play golf with told me we were interested.


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He's on our list for sure.

[Shrekko]

He's had 1 season in the top league and yet to prove himself in it, playing for a poor Villa team hasn't helped him TBH. Newcastle are a decent mid table club and Bruce does seem to like him, a decent season in a half decent team and maybe then he'll get his move to a bigger club.

Before his injury he was more than proving himself in the EPL and being tipped for bigger moves than this. As he's not been the same players since he came back and Villa could be going down it is indeed probably a decent move and unfortunately it will be for less money. Just shows you how even a small twist of fate can change things dramatically.

Be a great time for a sell on cut all the same...

[One Day Soon]

Newcastle would be a bit of a sideways move really but I guess he'd want to stay in the top league.


I really hope he gets a better move if it comes to it and that he has no association with that club if the takeover goes through. I honestly can't imagine what it would be like to be a Hibs fan if our club were taken over by a group with the hideous associations that Newcastle seem likely to be taking on.

[scotiaf]

I really hope he gets a better move if it comes to it and that he has no association with that club if the takeover goes through. I honestly can't imagine what it would be like to be a Hibs fan if our club were taken over by a group with the hideous associations that Newcastle seem likely to be taking on.

I would be pretty happy to be honest 😂

[JimBHibees]

Assume Newcastle would bid for John even if they stayed up

[04Sauzee]

He's on our list for sure.

Am I the only right thinking he's a young right back only signed for Ayr permanently in Jan and still has a couple of years on his contract?
I'd assume he's just one we're keeping tabs on and aren't likely to sign this window?

[One Day Soon]

I would be pretty happy to be honest 😂

Really, even knowing this guy's history?

[Brightside]

Am I the only right thinking he's a young right back only signed for Ayr permanently in Jan and still has a couple of years on his contract?
I'd assume he's just one we're keeping tabs on and aren't likely to sign this window?

Your assumption is bang on. We did try to get Michael Rose from them in the past but he went to Coventry.

[Dmas]

He's on our list for sure.

Are we looking at both him and the left back from Ayr?

I don’t know much about either really, like the idea of us looking down the divisions for good players though would these guys be needing a transfer fee?

[Greenbeard]

Wouldn't have thought so. Too restrictive.
But St Mirren are due a %cut of whatever Villa sell him for are they not ie for the third sale down the line?
No reason why Hibs couldn't have put a similar sell-on clause in the deal with Villa. Just no knowing if or for what. Even a very small % of SJM's next again move could be a nice wee sum for us.

[Billy Whizz]

But St Mirren are due a %cut of whatever Villa sell him for are they not ie for the third sale down the line?
No reason why Hibs couldn't have put a similar sell-on clause in the deal with Villa. Just no knowing if or for what. Even a very small % of SJM's next again move could be a nice wee sum for us.

When we sold Fletch to Burnley, did we not get a 2nd fee when he went to Wolves?

[Ozyhibby]

When we sold Fletch to Burnley, did we not get a 2nd fee when he went to Wolves?

It will all be down to if villa put a sell on clause on to what they sell to Newcastle for. Whatever money villa receive now or in the future, we are due a percentage, just like St.mirren are due a percentage of what we get, no matter when we get it.


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[CapitalGreen]

Brilliant, it’s the monthly discussion about a sell-on fee which no one knows the details about.

[Iggy Pope]

Hibs players from years ago is not on topic for a transfer thread for this season. The thread has become unreadable with the amount of daft bickering on it. Summer 20-21 Transfers.

Wait until it veers towards chat about The Proclaimers recorded output.

[Hibee87]

It will all be down to if villa put a sell on clause on to what they sell to Newcastle for. Whatever money villa receive now or in the future, we are due a percentage, just like St.mirren are due a percentage of what we get, no matter when we get it.


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As far as I know, we have never been told if that is accurate.
St Mirren may had had a sell on clause, but not a future money received clause like we had with Fletcher.

[Ozyhibby]

As far as I know, we have never been told if that is accurate.
St Mirren may had had a sell on clause, but not a future money received clause like we had with Fletcher.

If they didn’t then it’s very open to abuse. Hibs could have said to villa we’ll take £0.5m now and £10m in two years. Villa could do the same to us now. Clubs know this which is why they are careful when they do these deals. I’m pretty sure if we receive more money in future for McGinn, St. Mirren will be due their cut. And I’ve no problem with that.


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[J-C]

But St Mirren are due a %cut of whatever Villa sell him for are they not ie for the third sale down the line?
No reason why Hibs couldn't have put a similar sell-on clause in the deal with Villa. Just no knowing if or for what. Even a very small % of SJM's next again move could be a nice wee sum for us.


It will all be down to if villa put a sell on clause on to what they sell to Newcastle for. Whatever money villa receive now or in the future, we are due a percentage, just like St.mirren are due a percentage of what we get, no matter when we get it.


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From what Rod said St Mirren had a one off payment from the McGinn transfer and they've received that, with the initial sale and subsequent extra money for his promotion. We also have a sell on %, so if Villa sell we get whatever we agreed to, the biggest question in all this is it an ongoing % like we had with Fletcher or is it a one off payment on the first sale.

[Greenbeard]

Brilliant, it’s the monthly discussion about a sell-on fee which no one knows the details about.
Don't ruin my speculative dreaming. You're like the early morning postie ringing my doorbell just as I'm about to get very closely acquainted with Lucy Verasamy.

[PH91]

It will all be down to if villa put a sell on clause on to what they sell to Newcastle for. Whatever money villa receive now or in the future, we are due a percentage, just like St.mirren are due a percentage of what we get, no matter when we get it.


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I know no one knows but this absolutely makes sense. We should get our cut of whatever villa receive be it now or as an add on (due to appearances, goals, future transfer etc.).

Otherwise, on a similar principle, villa could sell him for an up front fee of £1 and £20m after 1 appearance and we would get our cut of £1 only.

[J-C]

If they didn’t then it’s very open to abuse. Hibs could have said to villa we’ll take £0.5m now and £10m in two years. Villa could do the same to us now. Clubs know this which is why they are careful when they do these deals. I’m pretty sure if we receive more money in future for McGinn, St. Mirren will be due their cut. And I’ve no problem with that.


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Not quite correct, if St Mirren only had a one off payment from McGinn to Villa sale, then that's all they will get, any thing we get from Villa selling him on is purely for us, as that's the % we agreed to with them. Different contracts and different clauses.

[Andy74]

If they didn’t then it’s very open to abuse. Hibs could have said to villa we’ll take £0.5m now and £10m in two years. Villa could do the same to us now. Clubs know this which is why they are careful when they do these deals. I’m pretty sure if we receive more money in future for McGinn, St. Mirren will be due their cut. And I’ve no problem with that.


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I’m pretty sure they won’t.

[J-C]

I know no one knows but this absolutely makes sense. We should get our cut of whatever villa receive be it now or as an add on (due to appearances, goals, future transfer etc.).

Otherwise, on a similar principle, villa could sell him for an up front fee of £1 and £20m after 1 appearance and we would get our cut of £1 only.

Not really, we'll get a cut of that 20m also, it's a % of total sales whether it's in one part or two, we got extra money from Villa when they got promoted as it was part of the deal we signed, St Mirren also got their % when Villa went up as it was in the contract with us .

[PH91]

Not really, we'll get a cut of that 20m also, it's a % of total sales whether it's in one part or two, we got extra money from Villa when they got promoted as it was part of the deal we signed, St Mirren also got their % when Villa went up as it was in the contract with us .

I'm agreeing with you. The hypothetical was pointing out why it makes sense.

[MyJo]

Sell on fees will generally be a percentage of profit made on the player.

Just working on some assumed figures here:

Hibs sign him and in place of a transfer fee we offer St Mirren 33%.

We then sell him for £3m with a 15% sell on clause. We get £2m and St Mirren get £1m

Villa sell him to Newcastle for £35m and 10% sell-on. They make a £32m profit on him. Villa keep £27.2m and Hibs get £4.8m. We are then due £1.6m of that to St Mirren.

In a couple of years Newcastle sell him to Man U for £75m. Newcastle have made a £40m profit on him and pay £4m to Villa for their sell-on fee. Villa pay Hibs £600k of that and we give St Mirren £200k.

this pattern then continues as long as clubs are selling SJM for a profit and including sell on fees in the deals made. If at any point he is sold without a club making a profit or including a sell-on percentage or becomes a free agent then the chain stops.

[hhibs]

Wouldn't have thought so. Too restrictive.


I counter this with.................................Steven Kenneth Fletcher !!

[scotiaf]

Really, even knowing this guy's history?

I guess if you look deep enough in most multi billion/millionaires, some
money comes from certain places. I’d leave my morals at the gate if I was watching hibs in a champions league final :)

[CMurdoch]

But St Mirren are due a %cut of whatever Villa sell him for are they not ie for the third sale down the line?
No reason why Hibs couldn't have put a similar sell-on clause in the deal with Villa. Just no knowing if or for what. Even a very small % of SJM's next again move could be a nice wee sum for us.

That may be because they developed him?

[blackpoolhibs]

I think he’s proven to be an excellent man manager and this view of him as volatile and horrific to work with is total nonsense.

The Kamberi thing is way overblown here. A bit of criticism has turned into some sort of relentless bullying.

Exactly, and its clear Celtic and Lennon want higher standards from their players than some of our fans do.

Football is a different game to anything we as fans will encounter at work.

Players will be slaughtered by their manager, at work and in the press, as it is a volatile game with volatile personalities.

Players like Kamberi sulk around as if the world owes him a favour, i'd have slaughtered him just as much as Lennon did.

Ross is a different person, not as volatile, but the same scenario is developing, IE his arse appears out the door.

Griffiths has come back so unfit, he's not able to go on tour, again i'm glad a manager has come out and spoken the truth, rather than talk bollox to folk with excuse after excuse for these players.

Sometimes players have to take responsibility for their actions.

[CMurdoch]

I counter this with.................................Steven Kenneth Fletcher !!

Because Hibs developed Steven.
McGinn was developed by St Mirren.

[Andy74]

Sell on fees will generally be a percentage of profit made on the player.

Just working on some assumed figures here:

Hibs sign him and in place of a transfer fee we offer St Mirren 33%.

We then sell him for £3m with a 15% sell on clause. We get £2m and St Mirren get £1m

Villa sell him to Newcastle for £35m and 10% sell-on. They make a £32m profit on him. Villa keep £27.2m and Hibs get £4.8m. We are then due £1.6m of that to St Mirren.

In a couple of years Newcastle sell him to Man U for £75m. Newcastle have made a £40m profit on him and pay £4m to Villa for their sell-on fee. Villa pay Hibs £600k of that and we give St Mirren £200k.

this pattern then continues as long as clubs are selling SJM for a profit and including sell on fees in the deals made. If at any point he is sold without a club making a profit or including a sell-on percentage or becomes a free agent then the chain stops.

No, that is not the usual way it works at all.

[Fergus52]

No, that is not the usual way it works at all.

It depends if the sell on fee is percentage of profit or percentage of next sale.

The former is how we kept making money off of Fletcher. I have no idea which of the two is more prevalent.

[brog]

No, that is not the usual way it works at all.


It wasn't but has been more & more in last 10 years or so. Thats certainly pretty much how Fletch deal was structured. Its a very simple clause though, it just says x% of future profits. As someone else posted, in the case of SJM it all depends if any sale by AV also contains a profit clause & its also perfectly feasible next transfer for SJM may be his peak, therefore no future profit.

[Lancs Harp]

No, that is not the usual way it works at all.

I agree Andy

My understanding of sell on clauses are that they are evoked once. St Mirren got their cut when SJM moved from us to Villa, they wont be due any further amount if and when he moves on again, just like we wouldnt be due anything if he moved on again from say Newcastle in the future.

[J-C]

No, that is not the usual way it works at all.


Exactly, it depends on the details of each contract and sell on causes. I'm led to believe St Mirren had a one off % from the sale of McGinn which they have now received, they will not be due anything more from any further sales. We do not know the details of the contract with Villa apart from the promotion clause which we received last season, with St Mirren getting their cut of that. We had an ongoing % clause with Fletcher which gave us 2 or 3 bits of extra cash each time he was sold, so each contract and sell on % can be different.

[CMurdoch]

Wait until it veers towards chat about The Proclaimers recorded output.

A good way to get the admins to close the thread down :rolleyes:.

[Andy74]

It depends if the sell on fee is percentage of profit or percentage of next sale.

The former is how we kept making money off of Fletcher. I have no idea which of the two is more prevalent.

The clause can either be based on profit - so a percentage based on the difference between what they paid and what they get or on a straight percentage of the fee.

Percentages of future fees are another thing completely and would be a further add on to an arrangement. They are not very common at all.

So, we have no idea what way we structured the deal with Villa, but in all probability it will be a simple percentage of the fee and no one else will be due anything from us on it and we also won’t get anything if he is sold on again. That’s just the most common arrangement but we don’t know.

[MWHIBBIES]

These things can be different in every contract. St Mirren may well to due something from his next transfer if we get a cut. No one knows.

There isn't just a thing called a ''sell on clause'' that gets inserted and thats it. There are many different ways this could work.

[Auckland Hibs]

These things can be different in every contract. St Mirren may well to due something from his next transfer if we get a cut. No one knows.

There isn't just a thing called a ''sell on clause'' that gets inserted and thats it. There are many different ways this could work.

The most likely scenario for us to hear anything would likely be via St.Mirren - if the Newcastle transfer turns into something more than paper talk then I'd suggest that we might hear something in the paper about their potential cut.

My guess is that St.Mirren have had their share and any future profit cut is due to us only.

[CapitalGreen]

we have no idea what way we structured the deal with Villa

The only known fact in this whole discussion.

[DTS]

It can be structured in numerous ways, sell on %, % off profit, on going sell on %. The reality is what we know is if McGinn goes we’ll get some much appreciated cash. We’ll never know how much or if we get more in the future nor will we know what we do/don’t send to st mirren.

[Inconsequential]

Glad the joke went straight over your head. So it was a joke? Haha. Pmsl here. I'm glad that you're glad. You win 5 points. Not so funny if you are to lose your job with family to support.

[hhibs]

Because Hibs developed Steven.
McGinn was developed by St Mirren.


Not sure your point here.

It was my point to show how onward selling % are and can be put into contracts and ,I believe ,not just on players developed by a club.

[Ozyhibby]

McInnes just said they are done in the transfer window unless players leave.


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[B.H.F.C]

McInnes just said they are done in the transfer window unless players leave.


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And the one player they have signed isn’t taking a wage for a year.

Why no outcry about how ‘cash strapped’ Aberdeen are?

[Brightside]

McInnes just said they are done in the transfer window unless players leave.


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Wow. They are really short then.

[Aldo]

And the one player they have signed isn’t taking a wage for a year.

Why no outcry about how ‘cash strapped’ Aberdeen are?

You know why.... especially on the radio.... Dick Gordon!


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[Billy Whizz]

Wow. They are really short then.

They’ve got a good squad though

[Brightside]

They’ve got a good squad though

A lot left. Not sure they have that strong a squad now.

[davhibby]

They’ve got a good squad though

They weren’t great last season. If they’re left with what they have now there’s no reason we can’t finish above them

[Billy Whizz]

They weren’t great last season. If they’re left with what they have now there’s no reason we can’t finish above them

I still think they’d have finished 3rd

They’ve added Hayes, and have a fit again Bryson. They’ll be the team favourites for 3rd

[The 90+2]

I still think they’d have finished 3rd

They’ve added Hayes, and have a fit again Bryson. They’ll be the team favourites for 3rd

Them or Motherwell.

[Billy Whizz]

Them or Motherwell.

Aberdeen. That’s our marker

[04Sauzee]

With the window not closing until some time in October I wouldnt be predicting any league positions, loads of transfers in and out yet

[The 90+2]

Aberdeen. That’s our marker

Definitely in general. Motherwell have a very good squad though.

[inglisavhibs]

I still think they’d have finished 3rd

They’ve added Hayes, and have a fit again Bryson. They’ll be the team favourites for 3rd
Aberdeen have been the benchmark for a while and still will be. Bryson will be 34 soon and will probably struggle to get a regular game. More to worry about than him.

[h18eeynick]

Interesting that McInnes said that a team let them down this week by pulling out of a friendly but he wouldnt name them . Old Firm spring to mind following agreement to go to France

[Billy Whizz]

Interesting that McInnes said that a team let them down this week by pulling out of a friendly but he wouldnt name them . Old Firm spring to mind following agreement to go to France

Think it was Dundee Utd

[Sean1875]

Them or Motherwell.

Could actually be very tight between us 3 this year, very exciting. Wish the next two weeks would hurry up!


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[Ozyhibby]

From what I can see, it looks like the majority of the league is going to be significantly weaker next season. 14 days to go and a few squads don’t have enough players for friendlies. Great opportunity for us to make sure we qualify for Europe this season.


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[HendoDelivered]

Hope there is truth in that we are in for Harvie from Ayr and O’Donnell from Killie!

[04Sauzee]

Hope there is truth in that we are in for Harvie from Ayr and O’Donnell from Killie!

Have they been linked?
Were people not just saying they'd be nice to have?

[Souter96Mac]

Hope there is truth in that we are in for Harvie from Ayr and O’Donnell from Killie!

Would be some window if we managed these two in as well as what we have already brought in.

[supermcginn]

Have they been linked?
Were people not just saying they'd be nice to have?

We spoke to O'Donnell two weeks ago, can't match his demands unless we offload James. Hallberg is on his way out.

[King Cosell]

McGinn transfer talk might be a bit premature. Watford 3pts ahead of Villa with a slightly better GD but their last 2 games are against Man City (H) & Arsenal (A), Villa have got Arsenal (H) & an already safe/minds on the beach West Ham (A).

[Vault Boy]

We spoke to O'Donnell two weeks ago, can't match his demands unless we offload James. Hallberg is on his way out.

Glad we're at least looking into SoD as an option
Would be great if we could offload James and bring him in, some upgrade.

[04Sauzee]

We spoke to O'Donnell two weeks ago, can't match his demands unless we offload James. Hallberg is on his way out.

Where did you hear this?
O'Donnell may drop his demands this longer he goes without a wage

[Since452]

We spoke to O'Donnell two weeks ago, can't match his demands unless we offload James. Hallberg is on his way out.

Dissspointed to hear that. Rate Hallberg.

[machibby]

McGinn transfer talk might be a bit premature. Watford 3pts ahead of Villa with a slightly better GD but their last 2 games are against Man City (H) & Arsenal (A), Villa have got Arsenal (H) & an already safe/minds on the beach West Ham (A).

I don’t think it’s Watford that’s the issue, I reckon Villa’s worry is Bournemouth

[supermcginn]

Dissspointed to hear that. Rate Hallberg.

Hardly played under Ross and will be the case going forward. Good luck to him.

[Billy Whizz]

Hardly played under Ross and will be the case going forward. Good luck to him.

He was ill for a few months, hence the reason he wasn’t playing

[04Sauzee]

He was ill for a few months, hence the reason he wasn’t playing

Hope his health issues are behind him, I actually quite like him as a player, hadn't heard we were trying to move him on tbh

[Callum_62]

Hardly played under Ross and will be the case going forward. Good luck to him.We've lost slivka, Whitts and omeonga from the midfield

Be surprised if Hallberg isn't kept on, or he will definately need replaced if he goes

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[The 90+2]

Hope his health issues are behind him, I actually quite like him as a player, hadn't heard we were trying to move him on tbh

I thought he was vastly overrated and I’m happy if it frees up a wage.

[The 90+2]

We've lost slivka, Whitts and omeonga from the midfield

Be surprised if Hallberg isn't kept on, or he will definately need replaced if he goes

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Only Omeonga on his game will be missed though.

[Hibiza]

Dissspointed to hear that. Rate Hallberg.
Hallberg and Mallan wouldn't be missed. In Docherty.

[King Cosell]

I don’t think it’s Watford that’s the issue, I reckon Villa’s worry is Bournemouth

You could be right. Relegation odds are a bit skew whiff:

Villa 1/6
Bournemouth 3/10
Watford 6/5

[Unseen work]

Would be surprised to see Hallberg leave. Good player with a lot of potential, started off really well especially for not being fit and not used To the league.

He would need replaced.

[nonshinyfinish]

With the window not closing until some time in October I wouldnt be predicting any league positions, loads of transfers in and out yet

By that time there should be a better picture of when we might be back to normal attendances, so teams that have budgeted for a worst-case scenario might try to make some late signings if it looks like they'll have more ticket income than they originally thought.

[Andy74]

Would be surprised to see Hallberg leave. Good player with a lot of potential, started off really well especially for not being fit and not used To the league.

He would need replaced.

I like him. There was a time when he arrived when we only conceded when he wasn’t on the pitch.

[offshorehibby]

Here are a couple of names that Edinburgh Live are saying it might be worth looking at if they go down the same route as Nisbet in getting talent from the Championship.

Daniel Harvie (who's already been mentioned)
Reece Cole a product of the Brentford academy who was on load at Partick (now been released i think)
James Penrice a young LB with Partick again

They also mentioned Mark Ridgers as possible keeper back up.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-news-kevin-nisbet-18615692

[04Sauzee]

Here are a couple of names that Edinburgh Live are saying it might be worth looking at if they go down the same route as Nisbet in getting talent from the Championship.

Daniel Harvie (who's already been mentioned)
Reece Cole a product of the Brentford academy who was on load at Partick (now been released i think)
James Penrice a young LB with Partick again

They also mentioned Mark Ridgers as possible keeper back up.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-news-kevin-nisbet-18615692

I posted about Ridgers earlier becuase I got told by a pal we were after him, couldn't find anything linking us to him so deleted it.

[B.H.F.C]

I posted about Ridgers earlier becuase I got told by a pal we were after him, couldn't find anything linking us to him so deleted it.

Not saying we’ll sign him. But I could see us signing someone similar as a backup tonRocky. Someone with a bit of experience who knows the game up here and is cheap. Our backup goalie certainly won’t be of Bogdan’s calibre this year.
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[Lago]

Only Omeonga on his game will be missed though.
Overrated

[The 90+2]

Overrated

Like Mcnulty I don’t think he was fit enough coming back. Hallberg was massively overrated.

[04Sauzee]

Like Mcnulty I don’t think he was fit enough coming back. Hallberg was massively overrated.

You can keep going on about Halberg being overrated, you are entitled to your opinion but it is just that an opinion.

A few liked him a few didn't but you don't have to keep banging on about it

[Callum_62]

Hallberg and Mallan wouldn't be missed. In Docherty.Mallan would definately be missed.

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[04Sauzee]

Not sure how Transfermarket is kept up to date but when I look at Reeece Cole it says under interested clubs Hibernian?
Edit just checked James Penrice is the same

[Andy74]

Simon Murray is appearing in a lot of our throwback games recently on social media.

I’d have him as one of four strikers no problem.

[The 90+2]

You can keep going on about Halberg being overrated, you are entitled to your opinion but it is just that an opinion.

A few liked him a few didn't but you don't have to keep banging on about it

Calm down, I was replying to Omeonga being over rated. I’ve never said I’m right either.

[04Sauzee]

Calm down, I was replying to Omeonga being over rated. I’ve never said I’m right either.

Calm down 😂
Perfectly calm
Like i say can't all have the same opinion

[The 90+2]

Calm down 😂
Perfectly calm
Like i say can't all have the same opinion

Sound mate 💚

[Keyser Sauzee]

Simon Murray is appearing in a lot of our throwback games recently on social media.

I’d have him as one of four strikers no problem.

I wasn’t keen on us signing him when we first did but I have to agree that I’d be happy for him to our 3rd choice striker, I dont think he’d command a high wage. I think there might be something in it also, just a hunch but I’ve noticed him on our social media and he was in Edinburgh the other week so might be on the cards.

[Aldo]

Simon Murray is appearing in a lot of our throwback games recently on social media.

I’d have him as one of four strikers no problem.

I’d be happy with him returning if this was indeed the case!


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[King Cosell]

Like Mcnulty I don’t think he was fit enough coming back. Hallberg was massively overrated.

With Gogic's arrival, Hallberg's shackles are off. Might see a bit more from him. Looked lively, and scored, when he came on against Hearts.

[Ozyhibby]

I doubt we will be signing any more strikers. Money is just too tight and with the window open till Oct we can afford to wait and see how the other three are getting on. If any injuries happen then we have time to source a back up.
Would rather we tried to improve our full backs now but player would need to move on for that to happen.


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[04Sauzee]

No hints of Kamberi, think Kamberi to Rangers may be unlikely


WON'T BE CAUGHT SHORT Rangers boss Steven Gerrard says he will look to bring in another striker for title push
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STEVEN GERRARD is chasing another striker to boost Rangers’ title bid.

Gerrard watched his side win the Veolia trophy in Lyon.

[Eyrie]

I don't think Murray is good enough to be a regular starter for us if we want to challenge for third, but he'd be a solid option off the bench or for an occasional game to give us depth.

A lot depends on what formation Ross wants us to use, but if it's three forwards then Murray can play wide and if it's two then we need a fourth striker as Boyle is nowhere near as effective up front as he is wide.

[Jones28]

We spoke to O'Donnell two weeks ago, can't match his demands unless we offload James. Hallberg is on his way out.

That would be some turnaround

[Dmas]

I wasn’t keen on us signing him when we first did but I have to agree that I’d be happy for him to our 3rd choice striker, I dont think he’d command a high wage. I think there might be something in it also, just a hunch but I’ve noticed him on our social media and he was in Edinburgh the other week so might be on the cards.

I’d much prefer Gullan got game time than bringing Murray back, I really don’t get the love in for him to be honest, he was ok at best when he was here and I’m sure he’s a right nice guy but he’s not helping us achieve a 3rd/4th place finish

[HendoDelivered]

That would be some turnaround

Hopefully he is holding off to see if we can get him in.

[S4uzee]

I wasn’t keen on us signing him when we first did but I have to agree that I’d be happy for him to our 3rd choice striker, I dont think he’d command a high wage. I think there might be something in it also, just a hunch but I’ve noticed him on our social media and he was in Edinburgh the other week so might be on the cards.

I’d be astonished if we signed S.Murray again

[Andy74]

I’d much prefer Gullan got game time than bringing Murray back, I really don’t get the love in for him to be honest, he was ok at best when he was here and I’m sure he’s a right nice guy but he’s not helping us achieve a 3rd/4th place finish

By that measure Gullan isn’t either.

Murray has scored at Ibrox and against Hearts. He’d be a very decent option. I think 4 strikers is the way to go anyway if we can afford it. I doubt we will get through the season with just the one alternate if we play two up front.

[Smartie]

I liked Murray but he didn’t recover from a dip in confidence and form. Fans got a bit impatient with him and he just didn’t seem to fancy it that much at that point.

To be successful you need to be a bit less sensitive and a bit more resilient.

In terms of his football I thought he was a promising player who had some good games for us, scored some big goals and looked to have a lot to offer.

[Nicho87]

I wasn’t that fussed in the end for Murray but I tell you go and watch in YouTube the goals for the first season were back... some of his goals make you wonder.

I wouldn’t be too unhappy if we have him a wee one year deal

[500miles]

Simon Murray is appearing in a lot of our throwback games recently on social media.

I’d have him as one of four strikers no problem.

You'd never play Simon up front with someone like Doidge, they're not creative, clever players. However, if you want to play a high press, and get in behind the defence, he's great.

[Just_Jimmy]

I'd sign Simon Murray just for that song again.

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[GGTTH07]

Noticed O’Donnell has followed a couple Hibs players on instagram

[CMurdoch]

Simon Murray not coming back to Hibs. No better than Gullan and sustained a bad injury in South Africa.
Ross only signs players he wants and Murray won't be that guy.
So many good players out there this summer who won't get the clubs and contracts they want. The wages demanded by their agents will diminish with time. If we can move a couple on we could get some more decent players in.
Ross was very effective at moving on Vela so maybe he can manage it again with the players he wants to replace but I fear it will be tough in the present economic climate.

[HendoDelivered]

Noticed O’Donnell has followed a couple Hibs players on instagram

👀

[Dunbar Hibee]

We aren't done with signing strikers yet.....

[Haymaker]

We aren't done with signing strikers yet.....

:hyper

[SouthMoroccoStu]

We aren't done with signing strikers yet.....

Good

The squad has been a striker Short for a few seasons now

[tonyrougier123]

Murray makes perfect sense as another option up front,will run all day and will be a wee bit more cultured after his jaunt in SA.daft as a brush tae,be good for the dressing room.I hope O'Donnell is another we are looking at.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Murray makes perfect sense as another option up front,will run all day and will be a wee bit more cultured after his jaunt in SA.daft as a brush tae,be good for the dressing room.I hope O'Donnell is another we are looking at.

I’d be happy with that

[tonyrougier123]

I’d much prefer Gullan got game time than bringing Murray back, I really don’t get the love in for him to be honest, he was ok at best when he was here and I’m sure he’s a right nice guy but he’s not helping us achieve a 3rd/4th place finish

Hibs need another senior striker,gullan is good enough to force his way in to the team for sure,but nisbit and gullan are still young laddies.as for ok at best no way,boy was on fire before we signed stokesy.his linkup and movement was superb at times,doidge nisbit and gullan would all enjoy playing with a striker like murray.

[SHODAN]

We aren't done with signing strikers yet.....

Good. Four strikers is the correct amount.

[Clarence]

I’d be happy with that

He really blew hot and cold mind. He had an extremely hot streak but then struggled to find that form again. Think he might have been a bit of an unknown quantity and defences found him difficult to deal with but then sussed him out a bit. Seems like a good guy though and always gave 100% Got to wonder how a cruciate injury has affected his gung ho style of play.

[we are hibs]

A 4th striker makes sense if we go 2 up. Only takes Nisbet or Doidge to pick up an injury then we have no forward to bring off the bench if Gullan starts in place of the injured player. Hopefully it isnt Simon Murray though.

[Souter96Mac]

We aren't done with signing strikers yet.....

Any idea on who we're looking at?

[Eyrie]

We need a fourth striker, and that needs to be someone who can play wide as Doidge and Nisbet will be the first options for the central role. The player we sign will know that he won't be a regular starter and will have to compete with Gullan for playing time in a front two, or also with Boyle, Wright and Horgan in a front three.

Murray would be suitable for that role, or someone like him.

[Andy74]

Simon Murray not coming back to Hibs. No better than Gullan and sustained a bad injury in South Africa.
Ross only signs players he wants and Murray won't be that guy.
So many good players out there this summer who won't get the clubs and contracts they want. The wages demanded by their agents will diminish with time. If we can move a couple on we could get some more decent players in.
Ross was very effective at moving on Vela so maybe he can manage it again with the players he wants to replace but I fear it will be tough in the present economic climate.

This ‘no better than Gullan’ thing.

We do this a lot with young players. At this point Murray has a lot of experience and achievements. Gullan might be better in time but we are a long way off being sure if he will make it at all in our first team.

In any case, having 4 strikers would be sensible, if we can afford it.

[Scouse Hibee]

Sell on fees will generally be a percentage of profit made on the player.

Just working on some assumed figures here:

Hibs sign him and in place of a transfer fee we offer St Mirren 33%.

We then sell him for £3m with a 15% sell on clause. We get £2m and St Mirren get £1m

Villa sell him to Newcastle for £35m and 10% sell-on. They make a £32m profit on him. Villa keep £27.2m and Hibs get £4.8m. We are then due £1.6m of that to St Mirren.

In a couple of years Newcastle sell him to Man U for £75m. Newcastle have made a £40m profit on him and pay £4m to Villa for their sell-on fee. Villa pay Hibs £600k of that and we give St Mirren £200k.

this pattern then continues as long as clubs are selling SJM for a profit and including sell on fees in the deals made. If at any point he is sold without a club making a profit or including a sell-on percentage or becomes a free agent then the chain stops.

That’s totally wrong, not sure where you got your information from or whether you just made it up, but it’s bonkers.

[sean04]

St mirren deal was from hibs sell on. They don’t own shares in the player. Hibs get the cut from Aston Villa sale then we’re done. Don’t get anymore from future transfers

[Gloucester Hibs]

That’s totally wrong, not sure where you got your information from or whether you just made it up, but it’s bonkers.

Which parts are bonkers, out of interest?

[BlackSheep]

Which parts are bonkers, out of interest?

I’m pretty sure sell on fees are not based on profit but a percentage of the whole fee.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m pretty sure sell on fees are not based on profit but a percentage of the whole fee.

Again, totally depends on the clause. It could be profit, it could be the whole sale. Every one is different.

[CapitalGreen]

That’s totally wrong, not sure where you got your information from or whether you just made it up, but it’s bonkers.

It’s not totally wrong, deals can be structured in this manner and it’s becoming more common place in football replacing the standard sell on fee. Hibs received a fee payment from Burnley after Fletcher signed for Sunderland from Wolves.

“The Clarets are entitled to 15 per cent of an anticipated profit of £7.5m, although first club Hibernian are also due their share after factoring in additional sell-on clauses at the time of his Turf Moor move in 2009.

But that windfall, which is believed to be upwards of £600,000 following the payment to Hibs, is unlikely to be made available to Howe, who was again without Martin Paterson for Saturday’s defeat at Huddersfield Town after a scan revealed the striker had suffered a minor hamstring tear..”

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/9894870.Howe_not_expecting_transfer_cash/

[CapitalGreen]

I’m pretty sure sell on fees are not based on profit but a percentage of the whole fee.

They can be either, depends how the clubs negotiate the deal, however % of profit is becoming more popular.

[Hibee87]

It’s not totally wrong, deals can be structured in this manner and it’s becoming more common place in football replacing the standard sell on fee. Hibs received a fee payment from Burnley after Fletcher signed for Sunderland from Wolves.

“The Clarets are entitled to 15 per cent of an anticipated profit of £7.5m, although first club Hibernian are also due their share after factoring in additional sell-on clauses at the time of his Turf Moor move in 2009.

But that windfall, which is believed to be upwards of £600,000 following the payment to Hibs, is unlikely to be made available to Howe, who was again without Martin Paterson for Saturday’s defeat at Huddersfield Town after a scan revealed the striker had suffered a minor hamstring tear..”

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/9894870.Howe_not_expecting_transfer_cash/

What sources do you know of that state this type of deal is common place?
I'm not saying your wrong, but using Fletcher as the example is the only time I've seen this type of deal.
With what Bruce (I thibk) said about negotiating with Petrie and having lots of clauses inserted, I fully expect WE have the same type of deal again. However it's just an educated guess from me.
I've no reason to believe St Mirren placed the same type of deal on McGinn. However, no one really knows. And won't u til such time McGinn is sold from Villa.

[CapitalGreen]

What sources do you know of that state this type of deal is common place?
I'm not saying your wrong, but using Fletcher as the example is the only time I've seen this type of deal.
With what Bruce (I thibk) said about negotiating with Petrie and having lots of clauses inserted, I fully expect WE have the same type of deal again. However it's just an educated guess from me.
I've no reason to believe St Mirren placed the same type of deal on McGinn. However, no one really knows. And won't u til such time McGinn is sold from Villa.

I didn’t say it was common place, I said it was becoming more common place as in its prevalence was increasing.

The most prominent example of recent times would be Harry Maguire. Sheff United received a fee from Hull City when Maguire joined Man Utd from Leicester.