Summer 2020-21 transfer thread

[S4uzee]

We are allowed to get an energetic midfield player and an attacking midfield player. Im sure we are working on getting a few more targets in. If this boy makes us better in the final 3rd then im all for it.
Said at the beginning of the window Ross would wheel and deal to mould his own team and it seems that's what he may be doing.
Possibly but I feel we need a player like Docherty/Shinnie in the middle with Gogic and then Allan. We have too many “safe” midfielders who don’t offer that much tbh

[The 90+2]

He seems very similar to what we’ve already got in Mallan/Newell/Hallberg

Hallberg?

[Andy74]

Possibly but I feel we need a player like Docherty/Shinnie in the middle with Gogic and then Allan. We have too many “safe” midfielders who don’t offer that much tbh

This view now seems to be growing arms and legs.

Gogic is safe I suppose - albeit he is a lot better on the ball and more forward thinking than I’d anticipated.

Hallberg is probably safe but is largely asked to play that way. He has also scored goals before for us and won us a penalty This season.

Newell isn’t really a safe player - he has been playing a bit deeper but his real value is in delivery and assists.

Scott Allan is by no means a safe player.

Stevie Mallan is by no means a safe player.

Now if we are counting Boyle and Murphy in midfield neither could be described as safe.

We might need a bit more in terms of a player to carry the ball rather than pass it but I think we haven’t half got carried away with this assertion that we have this dull midfield made up of the same type of players. We really do not. Most teams would be looking to have a really good sitting midfielder which we have in Gogic, a talented creator and passer which we have in Allan and a goal scorer from deep which we have in Mallan.

[SMAXXA]

While he might be an upgrade on the plethora of attacking midfielders we have, I don’t know anything about him so making an assumption, it would be a signing that worries me. I’d worry that Hibs are still making a hash of the midfield by stockpiling good individual players that don’t make a balanced midfield.

If he signs there may be more midfielders to come, but my confidence in Hibs’ ability to identify the problem first and foremost, and then fix it is not high.

Tried to sign McCrorie so I’d have confidence we are trying to sign that mould of player as JR has confirmed

[The Modfather]

This view now seems to be growing arms and legs.

Gogic is safe I suppose - albeit he is a lot better on the ball and more forward thinking than I’d anticipated.

Hallberg is probably safe but is largely asked to play that way. He has also scored goals before for us and won us a penalty This season.

Newell isn’t really a safe player - he has been playing a bit deeper but his real value is in delivery and assists.

Scott Allan is by no means a safe player.

Stevie Mallan is by no means a safe player.

Now if we are counting Boyle and Murphy in midfield neither could be described as safe.

We might need a bit more in terms of a player to carry the ball rather than pass it but I think we haven’t half got carried away with this assertion that we have this dull midfield made up of the same type of players. We really do not. Most teams would be looking to have a really good sitting midfielder which we have in Gogic, a talented creator and passer which we have in Allan and a goal scorer from deep which we have in Mallan.

Are you saying that we already have the midfielders at the club that we need? That our midfield should be Gocic, Mallan & Allan?

[SMAXXA]

As much as I love scotty Allan I’m no sure he’s going to be one of the first names on the team sheet anymore

[Andy74]

Are you saying that we already have the midfielders at the club that we need? That our midfield should be Gocic, Mallan & Allan?

No I agree we could do with another type but I just don’t agree with the OTT commentary on the current players - and they are certainly not all the same or all ‘safe’.

It’s said that the answer is obvious and Hibs haven’t done anything about it yet there is absolutely no consistency here on what type of player that is. McCrorie is flavour of the fortnight but he is largely a defensive player that can carry the ball a bit at times but largely breaks up play and passes it on. He did well against us but was widely criticised by those that watched him v St Johnstone.

McGeouch is mentioned - totally different to McCrorie and although he can also carry it forward his main game is taking it off the back 4 and keeping it moving.

Now if we were talking a Latapy or Zemmama type that can actually run with it and take people on then I think that gives us something different - otherwise the ‘obvious’ weakness we have isn’t that obvious to me given most of the suggestions so far on how that issue should be addressed.

[S4uzee]

This view now seems to be growing arms and legs.

Gogic is safe I suppose - albeit he is a lot better on the ball and more forward thinking than I’d anticipated.

Hallberg is probably safe but is largely asked to play that way. He has also scored goals before for us and won us a penalty This season.

Newell isn’t really a safe player - he has been playing a bit deeper but his real value is in delivery and assists.

Scott Allan is by no means a safe player.

Stevie Mallan is by no means a safe player.

Now if we are counting Boyle and Murphy in midfield neither could be described as safe.

We might need a bit more in terms of a player to carry the ball rather than pass it but I think we haven’t half got carried away with this assertion that we have this dull midfield made up of the same type of players. We really do not. Most teams would be looking to have a really good sitting midfielder which we have in Gogic, a talented creator and passer which we have in Allan and a goal scorer from deep which we have in Mallan.

We do have a dull midfield IMO

I can’t recall the last time Newell had an assist and he generally does just pass back to the CB or full back which I would describe as safe. As for Hallberg I just don’t see what he offers and it’s been a year.

Midfield is vital and it’s no surprise we did well from Stubbs and Lennons first season back when we had a strong midfield

[Andy74]

We do have a dull midfield IMO

I can’t recall the last time Newell had an assist and he generally does just pass back to the CB or full back which I would describe as safe. As for Hallberg I just don’t see what he offers and it’s been a year.

Midfield is vital and it’s no surprise we did well from Stubbs and Lennons first season when we had a strong midfield

Well we will see how we go but we are currently occupying a better league position than they largely managed.

We are also only a few games in and that goes both ways of course.

There’s a lot of rosy tinted specs about the Stubbs era by the way, it wasn’t all that convincing.

[Stuart93]

No I agree we could do with another type but I just don’t agree with the OTT commentary on the current players - and they are certainly not all the same or all ‘safe’.

It’s said that the answer is obvious and Hibs haven’t done anything about it yet there is absolutely no consistency here on what type of player that is. McCrorie is flavour of the fortnight but he is largely a defensive player that can carry the ball a bit at times but largely breaks up play and passes it on. He did well against us but was widely criticised by those that watched him v St Johnstone.

McGeouch is mentioned - totally different to McCrorie and although he can also carry it forward his main game is taking it off the back 4 and keeping it moving.

Now if we were talking a Latapy or Zemmama type that can actually run with it and take people on then I think that gives us something different - otherwise the ‘obvious’ weakness we have isn’t that obvious to me given most of the suggestions so far on how that issue should be addressed.

I think the way you’ve described Mcgeouch is exactly what we’re needing.

No-one showing for the ball in midfield from the back 4 means they’re having to launch it forward more often than not.

Mind you that’s not our only problem imo. Our movement or lack of at times is horrendous & has to be coached. I still feel our players are too lazy without the ball also.

[S4uzee]

Well we will see how we go but we are currently occupying a better league position than they largely managed.

We are also only a few games in and that goes both ways of course.

There’s a lot of rosy tinted specs about the Stubbs era by the way, it wasn’t all that convincing.

We did well in the Derby games, won the cup and had good cup runs. Also recruited some fantastic players. Can’t really complain about the Stubbs era.

[JammyDoidger]

Hibs in for a player, other teams interested. Next...wouldn't be surprised if Mciness took him to Aberdeen.

[Andy74]

We do have a dull midfield IMO

I can’t recall the last time Newell had an assist and he generally does just pass back to the CB or full back which I would describe as safe. As for Hallberg I just don’t see what he offers and it’s been a year.

Midfield is vital and it’s no surprise we did well from Stubbs and Lennons first season back when we had a strong midfield

Just as a reminder of the first league games in Stubbs first season where we had a strong midfield - we won at home to Livingston then lost to Hearts, lost at home to Falkirk, lost away to Alloa, beat Cowdenbeath at home 3-2 and then lost to Queen of the South. We did go on to beat Rangers away and then drew at home to Raith Rovers and then Dumbarton.

[The Modfather]

No I agree we could do with another type but I just don’t agree with the OTT commentary on the current players - and they are certainly not all the same or all ‘safe’.

It’s said that the answer is obvious and Hibs haven’t done anything about it yet there is absolutely no consistency here on what type of player that is. McCrorie is flavour of the fortnight but he is largely a defensive player that can carry the ball a bit at times but largely breaks up play and passes it on. He did well against us but was widely criticised by those that watched him v St Johnstone.

McGeouch is mentioned - totally different to McCrorie and although he can also carry it forward his main game is taking it off the back 4 and keeping it moving.

Now if we were talking a Latapy or Zemmama type that can actually run with it and take people on then I think that gives us something different - otherwise the ‘obvious’ weakness we have isn’t that obvious to me given most of the suggestions so far on how that issue should be addressed.

I think for a lot of folk, me included, when the likes of Allan,Mallan, Newell & Hallberg are talked of as being the same or too similar it’s as much about what they don’t have. None are particularly athletic, quick or have drive or dig IMO. They’re all good on the ball but static without it.

I always relate it back to the McGeough, McGinn, Allan axis. That’s generally accepted to be the most balanced midfield we’ve had in many years. You had a bit of everything, ability to keep the hall and dictate tempo, the ability to drive at teams, win the ball back and not be bullied, and craft and creativity.

We’ve found the player to win the ball back but haven’t replaced any of the other aspects, other than in fleeting glimpses in the odd game here or there IMO. Mallan, Hallberg, Allan & Newell are the same midfielders that more often than not lost the midfield last season, and have lost the midfield in more games than they have won this season IMO. None are bad players in their own right but no combination of the 4 are good enough to make a midfield that will get you close to 3rd and certainly not consistently. They lack the energy, drive and movement off the ball that are crucial components, but not the only components, in winning the midfield.

[Smartie]

No I agree we could do with another type but I just don’t agree with the OTT commentary on the current players - and they are certainly not all the same or all ‘safe’.

It’s said that the answer is obvious and Hibs haven’t done anything about it yet there is absolutely no consistency here on what type of player that is. McCrorie is flavour of the fortnight but he is largely a defensive player that can carry the ball a bit at times but largely breaks up play and passes it on. He did well against us but was widely criticised by those that watched him v St Johnstone.

McGeouch is mentioned - totally different to McCrorie and although he can also carry it forward his main game is taking it off the back 4 and keeping it moving.

Now if we were talking a Latapy or Zemmama type that can actually run with it and take people on then I think that gives us something different - otherwise the ‘obvious’ weakness we have isn’t that obvious to me given most of the suggestions so far on how that issue should be addressed.

I don’t have a problem with any of the current midfielders - I just have a problem trying to make a decent unit out of them.

There’s nothing “safe” about most of them - if anything they’re the opposite, flawed but very creative attacking players. Gogic is the only one with defensive qualities though.

Butcher and Fenlon’s relegation team was horribly lacking in creativity and inspiration - stick any one of Allan, Mallan or Newell in that team and I don’t think we go down.

I don’t get why you’re so defensive about it and I just don’t see what you see. We’ve got a great defence. We’ve got a great keeper. We’ve got great strikers and we’ve got at least one great winger. We’ve got some great attacking midfielders.

We are lacking the glue that joins it together, something in midfield. We’re close but we’re not there. Naming players to fix the problem is difficult but in my opinion it is very easy to see where we are deficient and what we lack. That doesn’t need to be a slight on the players we already have who happen to have different skill sets, although it might be a slight on the managers who managed to cobble them all together.

[CapitalGreen]

Just as a reminder of the first league games in Stubbs first season where we had a strong midfield - we won at home to Livingston then lost to Hearts, lost at home to Falkirk, lost away to Alloa, beat Cowdenbeath at home 3-2 and then lost to Queen of the South. We did go on to beat Rangers away and then drew at home to Raith Rovers and then Dumbarton.

I wouldn’t describe our midfield as strong in any of those defeats:

v Hearts: Stanton, Harris, Handling, Robertson, Craig
v Falkirk: Harris, Allan, Craig, Kennedy
v Alloa: Kennedy, Stanton, Craig, Allan
v QOTS: Stanton, Robertson, McGeouch, Kennedy

[DTS]

We need energy in midfield someone who can drive on the ball and be box to box. Scott fraser ticks they boxes perfectly. I have a feeling he’ll want another move in England but if he was to sign for hibs I think he might just be the final piece of the midfield jigsaw.

[Unseen work]

Fraser is a good player, he would be a very Hibs signing.. Technically very good and chips in with a lot of goals and assists, I would certainly have always called him as the Mallan/Newell type of player. Hopefully he has a bit more dig, energy and drive about him as those two and also capable of dictating the game which I think he can. Hopefully he’s transformed similar to Kenny McLean who was originally an attacking mid like Fraser as I think that’s the exact sort of player we’re missing.

I find it frustrating with regards to Hallberg. When he first came in he looked a really good player imo, very good and composed on the ball but we were always told holding mid wasn’t his role and it was like we were restricting him, since signing Gogic he’s not played next to him and the chances he has got he’s not taken them.

If he started beside Gogic and got a run of games would he be the answer?

He started against Aberdeen however with Newell so he defaulted to the defensive one and had next to no impact on the game.

He has the technical ability, mobility and can chip in with goals but he just seems to be missing that bit of drive that a team and a player needs to make him really kick on. This is a guy that was hugely rated when he was younger, got a good move and capped for Sweden yet he’s fallen off it massively. He probably has more ability than most midfielders in the league but is lacking the mental side/aggression/attitude or whatever you call it to really stamp his authority on a game and dominate.

Unfortunately the majority of fans seem to want our missing midfielder to be good defensively, a play maker, a box to box midfielder and have plenty of energy. Ultimately an all round midfielder which is very hard to find now and if they are about will be expensive

[Winston Ingram]

Is it now standard that if we're linked with a player a minimum of 10 people must automatically suggest that Aberdeen will pinch him:hmmm:

[S4uzee]

I wouldn’t describe our midfield as strong in any of those defeats:

v Hearts: Stanton, Harris, Handling, Robertson, Craig
v Falkirk: Harris, Allan, Craig, Kennedy
v Alloa: Kennedy, Stanton, Craig, Allan
v QOTS: Stanton, Robertson, McGeouch, Kennedy
Yes, very selective in choosing certain games.

Missing McGinn, Henderson and Fyvie

[Brightside]

He’s nothing like Scott Allan. Plays deeper. Links up play. Shows plenty energy. I don’t see him being the same as what we currently have.

[S4uzee]

I wouldn’t describe our midfield as strong in any of those defeats:

v Hearts: Stanton, Harris, Handling, Robertson, Craig
v Falkirk: Harris, Allan, Craig, Kennedy
v Alloa: Kennedy, Stanton, Craig, Allan
v QOTS: Stanton, Robertson, McGeouch, Kennedy
Yes, very selective in choosing certain games.

Missing McGinn, Henderson and Fyvie

[Souter96Mac]

Don't know a great deal about Fraser, but he picked up 11 assists in league 1 last season. That's an impressive total. Left footed as well. If he can play the CM position next to Gogic, be mobile, link up play, and offer goals/assists, I'll take that

[Smartie]

I remember him having a very good game against us at Easter Road, possibly in the Championship, and asked my United-supporting mates about him after the game as I didn’t know anything about him. They weren’t blown away by him as a player.

I do remember him standing out though, and he did seem to want to get on the ball from deep and link up play, which we sometimes struggle to do.

Definitely more McGeouch than McGinn.

[Brightside]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/eflanalysis.com/analysis/scott-fraser-201920-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics/amp


Good analysis.

[EI255]

Watch McInnes swoop for him right under our noses. Again.

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[sean04]

Not saying Fraser isn’t a good player but he’s similar to Allan and Mallan. Really thought we would’ve been looking for a different type of player

[bigwheel]

Going after McCrorie, not getting him then signing Fraser would be a quite a change in plans ..Fraser is not a defensive player - would be probably his weakest element of his game ..

He’s a good player going forward, would add quality in that area, yet don’t we have quite a few of them already. Newell, Murphy, Allan, Mallan ?

[scoopyboy]

Not saying Fraser isn’t a good player but he’s similar to Allan and Mallan. Really thought we would’ve been looking for a different type of player

But what if he was better than the two of them?

Just because you have a couple of players who are similar in style doesn't mean you can try and get better in.

[H18 SFR]

Not saying Fraser isn’t a good player but he’s similar to Allan and Mallan. Really thought we would’ve been looking for a different type of player

That was my initial thought, I would stress though that I feel they are similar and not identical, however, it did make me think and wonder if it might mean that either Allan or Mallan might be moving on.

[flash]

Not saying Fraser isn’t a good player but he’s similar to Allan and Mallan. Really thought we would’ve been looking for a different type of player

Allan and Mallan aren't even similar never mind Fraser.

[Ozyhibby]

Not saying Fraser isn’t a good player but he’s similar to Allan and Mallan. Really thought we would’ve been looking for a different type of player

Maybe we are thinking of moving one or both of them on?


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[Andy74]

Yes, very selective in choosing certain games.

Missing McGinn, Henderson and Fyvie

They were the order the games were played and the poster had referenced the start from Stubbs.

[500miles]

If Fraser comes in, I think Newell will go.

[Andy74]

Yes, very selective in choosing certain games.

Missing McGinn, Henderson and Fyvie

Ah, so you are talking when he’d had a chance too add more players?

[EI255]

If Fraser comes in, I think Newell will go.I'd be content with that, although I think Newell is OK. Fraser has more dig though and just what we need.

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[scuttle]

Don't know a great deal about Fraser, but he picked up 11 assists in league 1 last season. That's an impressive total. Left footed as well. If he can play the CM position next to Gogic, be mobile, link up play, and offer goals/assists, I'll take that

Me too ,could possibly see Newell leaving now

[Souter96Mac]

Me too ,could possibly see Newell leaving now

I would have suggested Hallberg, however he still has 2 years left on his current deal so could be harder to move. I like Newell and would much rather him stay, but I trust Ross' judgement

[brog]

Well we will see how we go but we are currently occupying a better league position than they largely managed.

We are also only a few games in and that goes both ways of course.

There’s a lot of rosy tinted specs about the Stubbs era by the way, it wasn’t all that convincing.

Stubbs arrived at a club in total disarray, 8 players & no keeper. Within 2 years he achieved what McCartney, Shaw Turnbull etc couldn't do over the previous 114 years. That cup success is the basis for our highest ever season ticket sales & highest attendances for 40 years. Nothing rosy tinted about that. There's a lot of unfathomable dislike for Stubbs by the way.

[Brightside]

If Fraser comes in, I think Newell will go.

We have already offered Newell a new deal. Unless he as said he wants to move on.

[sean04]

Allan and Mallan aren't even similar never mind Fraser.

Our midfield is powderpuff especially against Aberdeen. Hallberg, mallan, Allan couldn’t tackle a fish supper. If we were looking for a mccorie type to play next to gogic I’m surprised Fraser is the option

[The Modfather]

Allan and Mallan aren't even similar never mind Fraser.

Allan & Mallan’s attributes are similar enough that it’s been proven you can’t play them in the same midfield together.

[Andy74]

Stubbs arrived at a club in total disarray, 8 players & no keeper. Within 2 years he achieved what McCartney, Shaw Turnbull etc couldn't do over the previous 114 years. That cup success is the basis for our highest ever season ticket sales & highest attendances for 40 years. Nothing rosy tinted about that. There's a lot of unfathomable dislike for Stubbs by the way.

I don’t think there is any dislike but some perspective is needed because it keeps getting trotted out as if some golden age where all our signings worked perfectly and we achieved great things.

Stubbs signed 31 players - some worked brilliantly, some were average, some were total failures.

Our current midfield are sitting in a league position that Stubbs team were never really tested at.

We are also judging a team being put together here against people wanting to pick the best that Stubbs came up with in time - and choosing when that worked well, which was certainly not all the time.

[bingo70]

If Fraser comes in, I think Newell will go.

Hope so, certainly take his place in the starting 11.

I’ve tried to like Newell as he was dealt a harsh harm being played out on the wing when he first joined and he seems like a decent guy, I just can’t take to him on the pitch at all though. Doesn’t show enough urgency or energy around the pitch for me.

[Bronson]

If Fraser comes in, I think Newell will go.

I’d be okay with that. My fear is that it’s scott allan that’s moved on. That would be lunacy, but I can see it.

[we are hibs]

Our midfield is powderpuff especially against Aberdeen. Hallberg, mallan, Allan couldn’t tackle a fish supper. If we were looking for a mccorie type to play next to gogic I’m surprised Fraser is the option

You would hope that we are looking at bringing in more than 1 midfielder. We need at least 2 imo but its probably dependent on moving someone on. I do think we need a bit more creativity in the middle but we obviously need someone thats capable of taking the ball deep and getting it into players like Allan and potentially Fraser. Someone who can also handle themselves if the games a bit uglier too. Unless Fraser is capable of that of course.

[jacomo]

Stubbs arrived at a club in total disarray, 8 players & no keeper. Within 2 years he achieved what McCartney, Shaw Turnbull etc couldn't do over the previous 114 years. That cup success is the basis for our highest ever season ticket sales & highest attendances for 40 years. Nothing rosy tinted about that. There's a lot of unfathomable dislike for Stubbs by the way.


:agree: :agree: :agree:

Unfathomable is the word. How any Hibs fan can look back in Stubbs’ time at the club and describe it as ‘not all that convincing’ absolutely floors me.

[Pretty Green]

:agree: :agree: :agree:

Unfathomable is the word. How any Hibs fan can look back in Stubbs’ time at the club and describe it as ‘not all that convincing’ absolutely floors me.

Totally agree with you here and under Stubbs it was the most entertaining football I have see at Hibs. Thoroughly love watching us under Stubbs!

[CapitalGreen]

I don’t think there is any dislike but some perspective is needed because it keeps getting trotted out as if some golden age where all our signings worked perfectly and we achieved great things.

Stubbs signed 31 players - some worked brilliantly, some were average, some were total failures.

Our current midfield are sitting in a league position that Stubbs team were never really tested at.

We are also judging a team being put together here against people wanting to pick the best that Stubbs came up with in time - and choosing when that worked well, which was certainly not all the time.

Absolutely no one has suggested that all Stubbs signings worked perfectly.

As for the current squad, there is concern the current position we find ourselves in isn’t reflective of our performances on the pitch. We’ve dropped 5 of 9 points at home and only scored once from open play in the last 4.5 games. With the exception of a 20 minute spell in the first half against Livingston we haven’t really imposed ourselves on any game.

[GloryGlory]

Totally agree with you here and under Stubbs it was the most entertaining football I have see at Hibs. Thoroughly love watching us under Stubbs!

There were lots of nice patterns and passing movements, but there was often no cutting edge. How many times did we dominate teams, pass up a host of scoring chances, and end up losing or drawing to a late sucker punch goal?

[Bostonhibby]

:agree: :agree: :agree:

Unfathomable is the word. How any Hibs fan can look back in Stubbs’ time at the club and describe it as ‘not all that convincing’ absolutely floors me.Yep, we didn't just have a poor team and in some respect a broken spirit around the team during and post Butcher we had a cultural issue at the club that pre dated that I feel. Dempster's appointment was the beginning of changing that and her appointment of Stubbs and the team around him turned the club on it's head.

I do recognise that he didn't get us promoted but I enjoyed watching his teams and have massive respect for how he conducted himself right up to his departure itself.

Sometimes a manager fits a club and he was the right man at the right time. I'd have preferred him and his management team to get a shot at the premiership with us.

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[Callum_62]

I’d be okay with that. My fear is that it’s scott allan that’s moved on. That would be lunacy, but I can see it.I can see it too.. Probably our highest earner or up there

To be honest I wouldn't be all that bothered - he is a good player but I think his levels have really dropped

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[scoopyboy]

I don’t think there is any dislike but some perspective is needed because it keeps getting trotted out as if some golden age where all our signings worked perfectly and we achieved great things.

Stubbs signed 31 players - some worked brilliantly, some were average, some were total failures.

Our current midfield are sitting in a league position that Stubbs team were never really tested at.

We are also judging a team being put together here against people wanting to pick the best that Stubbs came up with in time - and choosing when that worked well, which was certainly not all the time.

Your post is spot on Andy, yet I look at the Stubbs seasons and really enjoyed them for some strange season considering they were spent outwith the top flight.

I hardly missed a game home or away and by and large really enjoyed them.

Good cup runs and the team still involved right to the end of the season in league play offs.

[SMAXXA]

Some people need to realise ALL players are gambles, just to varying degrees.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

We could still be looking for a McCrorie type player. Fraser may just be someone else we are trying to get.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

We could still be looking for a McCrorie type player. Fraser may just be someone else we are trying to get.

Totally agree

Ross has identified an area we need to improve

Just because we missed out on one player doesn't mean he's forgotten that

[The Harp Awakes]

I had hoped we would sign Fraser before he went to Burton. I've been following his fortunes down there and it hasn't surprised me he's done so well.

A very good attacking midfielder, who is excellent in dead ball situations. Fairly one sided but he would be a fantastic signing for Hibs.

[jacomo]

I don’t think there is any dislike but some perspective is needed because it keeps getting trotted out as if some golden age where all our signings worked perfectly and we achieved great things.

Stubbs signed 31 players - some worked brilliantly, some were average, some were total failures.

Our current midfield are sitting in a league position that Stubbs team were never really tested at.

We are also judging a team being put together here against people wanting to pick the best that Stubbs came up with in time - and choosing when that worked well, which was certainly not all the time.


This is a total straw man argument.

Have you ever considered that Stubbs knew not every signing would work out? He had to change the culture at the club quickly, and do it with players who hadn’t got their chance or were out of favour elsewhere for whatever reason. Competition for places did that.

Canny management if you ask me.

[147lothian]

Some people need to realise ALL players are gambles, just to varying degrees.

Spot on, I still remember when we signed Boyle, some saying "is that the level we have reached, signing a player from Dundee".

[Andy74]

:agree: :agree: :agree:

Unfathomable is the word. How any Hibs fan can look back in Stubbs’ time at the club and describe it as ‘not all that convincing’ absolutely floors me.

Well it wasn't. I came out of the Falkirk play off game, having just lost the cup final to Ross County too and wondered whether anyone would be back again next year - we were about 10 mins away of that cup final from having our crowds go through the floor.

The perspective I'm looking for is that people are losing their minds just now over being second in the league but maybe not playing brilliantly. We had times under Stubbs, like we have with most managers, when we were awful - we lost to teams like Dumbarton and Alloa. Of course it wasn't all that convincing compared to now - we were 3 years in the championship.

As I said this isn't to have a go at Stubbs or that team, this is to say that the glowing comparisons we are now making to that perfect midfield that was easy to put together in the Championship wasn't really the case a lot of the time.

[superfurryhibby]

I can see it too.. Probably our highest earner or up there

To be honest I wouldn't be all that bothered - he is a good player but I think his levels have really dropped

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Who else would might be interested in Allan? I can’t see him going elsewhere in Scotland and I would doubt England is a favoured destination, given how abjectly he’s done down there in the past. Personally, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over Allan going either, but I would reckon Mallan/Hallberg are more likely to go if we signed Fraser.

[Since452]

:agree: :agree: :agree:

Unfathomable is the word. How any Hibs fan can look back in Stubbs’ time at the club and describe it as ‘not all that convincing’ absolutely floors me.

In my opinion the Scottish Cup win compleley changed Stubbs legacy. If we'd lost that final he'd have gone down as a catastrophic appointment. Very fine margins. He'll go down as a legend thankfully as I like the guy but could have so easily been chased out.

[The Modfather]

Well it wasn't. I came out of the Falkirk play off game, having just lost the cup final to Ross County too and wondered whether anyone would be back again next year - we were about 10 mins away of that cup final from having our crowds go through the floor.

The perspective I'm looking for is that people are losing their minds just now over being second in the league but maybe not playing brilliantly. We had times under Stubbs, like we have with most managers, when we were awful - we lost to teams like Dumbarton and Alloa. Of course it wasn't all that convincing compared to now - we were 3 years in the championship.

As I said this isn't to have a go at Stubbs or that team, this is to say that the glowing comparisons we are now making to that perfect midfield that was easy to put together in the Championship wasn't really the case a lot of the time.

I don’t think anyone is complaining about where we are in the league, it’s more a case of the fact that we’re 6 games into a new season and into our 5th transfer window in a row where the midfield is still as imbalanced and lacking quality as it has been. When we are apparently looking at another attacking midfield in Scott Fraser, that concerns me as Hibs have had a blind spot about the midfield and what’s needed. Adding another attacking midfielder (which is how folk have described Fraser so far) concerns me. I know we may well sign more midfielders in addition to Fraser, but I’d be a lot more comfortable signing what we need first. Then look at upgrading existing non priority positions and moving on players.

On Stubbs, take away the cup win and I still think he has credit in the bank as he signed the spine of a team that served us well long after he had gone and a spine we have struggled to replace. That being said, I still thought it was the right time for him to move on as he appeared unable to counter teams that sat in. Although in hindsight I don’t think we were any better under Lennon in the championship and Stubbs would have got us up by the same default Lennon did in that there was no Hearts or Rangers.

[jacomo]

In my opinion the Scottish Cup win compleley changed Stubbs legacy. If we'd lost that final he'd have gone down as a catastrophic appointment. Very fine margins. He'll go down as a legend thankfully as I like the guy but could have so easily been chased out.


I’ve just looked up ‘catastrophic’ in the dictionary and it still means what I think it means. I needed to check because your comment is baffling to me.

[keep the faith]

Who else would might be interested in Allan? I can’t see him going elsewhere in Scotland and I would doubt England is a favoured destination, given how abjectly he’s done down there in the past. Personally, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over Allan going either, but I would reckon Mallan/Hallberg are more likely to go if we signed Fraser.

Letting Allan go would be madness. He is on his day the best midfielder in the league. We need better around him.
Gogic gives us protection but it needs energy and drive. I like Newell. He is tidy and doesn't waste the ball but that's not enough in the engine room. A Docherty type with Gogic and Allan in the centre and you will see a different story.

Fraser may be that player but we must allow Allan to play himself up to speed. He recently talked about how he feels appreciated here. Really hope we come good on that as a support.

[jacomo]

Well it wasn't. I came out of the Falkirk play off game, having just lost the cup final to Ross County too and wondered whether anyone would be back again next year - we were about 10 mins away of that cup final from having our crowds go through the floor.

The perspective I'm looking for is that people are losing their minds just now over being second in the league but maybe not playing brilliantly. We had times under Stubbs, like we have with most managers, when we were awful - we lost to teams like Dumbarton and Alloa. Of course it wasn't all that convincing compared to now - we were 3 years in the championship.

As I said this isn't to have a go at Stubbs or that team, this is to say that the glowing comparisons we are now making to that perfect midfield that was easy to put together in the Championship wasn't really the case a lot of the time.


That midfield got us promoted and proved its worth in the top flight too, remember. Even in the championship we frequently played top sides and acquired ourselves well.

I’m certainly not losing my mind - I am very pleased at our current league position. But we had a better midfield 3 years ago.

[Greenworld]

Hoping porteous was asked to sound out Allan Campbell on international duty.
He is what we need i know motherwell are flush but he is free to sign pre contract in 4 months .
Mind you mathie and JR might not think so .

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[jeffers]

Letting Allan go would be madness. He is on his day the best midfielder in the league. We need better around him.
Gogic gives us protection but it needs energy and drive. I like Newell. He is tidy and doesn't waste the ball but that's not enough in the engine room. A Docherty type with Gogic and Allan in the centre and you will see a different story.

Fraser may be that player but we must allow Allan to play himself up to speed. He recently talked about how he feels appreciated here. Really hope we come good on that as a support.

Totally agree with your post. In particular the last paragraph. I don’t suppose we are any more fickle than other fans, but some of the stuff about Allan is disappointing, though hardly surprising. I remember when McNulty returned he talked about fans regularly messaging him on social media wanting him back and how he appreciated that. Fast forward a few months and he was crap, a waste of a wage etc.

We need to work with Scott Allan to get him back to his best, no one in the league can pick a pass like he can.

[brog]

I don’t think there is any dislike but some perspective is needed because it keeps getting trotted out as if some golden age where all our signings worked perfectly and we achieved great things.

Stubbs signed 31 players - some worked brilliantly, some were average, some were total failures.

Our current midfield are sitting in a league position that Stubbs team were never really tested at.

We are also judging a team being put together here against people wanting to pick the best that Stubbs came up with in time - and choosing when that worked well, which was certainly not all the time.

I wouldn't disagree 're your comments about being tested at a higher level but there's not a manager in the world who hasn't made duff signings. I would argue that the signing of SJM alone compensates for any poor signings but when you add in Daz, SDG, Dylan, Fyvie, Malongo, Scotty, Stokes & Hendo then I think Stubbs is well in credit on that front. Remember, Stubbs started with 8 players & that included Mickey Nelson!! 😁

[H18S NX]

Stubbs arrived at a club in total disarray, 8 players & no keeper. Within 2 years he achieved what McCartney, Shaw Turnbull etc couldn't do over the previous 114 years. That cup success is the basis for our highest ever season ticket sales & highest attendances for 40 years. Nothing rosy tinted about that. There's a lot of unfathomable dislike for Stubbs by the way.....Not from me Brog.

[superfurryhibby]

Letting Allan go would be madness. He is on his day the best midfielder in the league. We need better around him.
Gogic gives us protection but it needs energy and drive. I like Newell. He is tidy and doesn't waste the ball but that's not enough in the engine room. A Docherty type with Gogic and Allan in the centre and you will see a different story.

Fraser may be that player but we must allow Allan to play himself up to speed. He recently talked about how he feels appreciated here. Really hope we come good on that as a support.

Best midfielder in the league is stretching it quite a bit, he's not been brilliant since his return. Better players around him, of course that would be wonderful, but how about he imposes himself on a game anyway? Rather than asking the support to come good on appreciation for the guy, I would say he needs to return the compliment and produce the goods more often.

As I said, I doubt very much there are many options for Allan anyway. I'm happy for him to be here, but wouldn't be overly worried if he goes, You can add Newell, to that list too. As you say tidy enough, but in my view little forward momentum. That's four central midfielders in Allan, Mallan, Hallberg and Newell, all of whom haven't really delivered. At least two need to go and I'd be more than happy to back Ross on this. He stands or falls by these kind of decisions.

[Smartie]

Well it wasn't. I came out of the Falkirk play off game, having just lost the cup final to Ross County too and wondered whether anyone would be back again next year - we were about 10 mins away of that cup final from having our crowds go through the floor.

The perspective I'm looking for is that people are losing their minds just now over being second in the league but maybe not playing brilliantly. We had times under Stubbs, like we have with most managers, when we were awful - we lost to teams like Dumbarton and Alloa. Of course it wasn't all that convincing compared to now - we were 3 years in the championship.

As I said this isn't to have a go at Stubbs or that team, this is to say that the glowing comparisons we are now making to that perfect midfield that was easy to put together in the Championship wasn't really the case a lot of the time.

Constructive criticism of the Stubbs era is reasonable and I fully accept that we missed out on our primary objective.

What I think is undeniable is that Stubbs brought top, top quality midfielders to the club at a time when we were in the Championship. He started both seasons slowly (forgivable first season given what he inherited) but he very quickly put solid midfield units together and brought excellent players to Hibs. Stubbs had his weaknesses, but he also had a stonking record at solving EXACTLY the problem Hibs have now.

He set the high bar that subsequent managers are struggling to reach up to.

I don’t think Stubbs was savvy enough tactically about putting out a team that could steamroller weaker opposition. He built a premier league team for the championship.

But boy did he have an eye for a midfielder, and boy could we do with that just now.

It’s frustrating because we’re so close to having a really good team. We’re a balanced midfield away from having a cracking team. I’m not suggesting it’s an easy fix but it does look an obvious one. Hibs’ relegation team had a hopelessly imbalanced midfield the other way, Stubbs managed to get more from Craig, Robertson and Handljng and added Allan.

We badly need Ross (or our recruitment team) to sort this one. It’s a problem that might cost us 4 or 5 league places if we fail to sort it.

[Smartie]

Best midfielder in the league is stretching it quite a bit, he's not been brilliant since his return. Better players around him, of course that would be wonderful, but how about he imposes himself on a game anyway? Rather than asking the support to come good on appreciation for the guy, I would say he needs to return the compliment and produce the goods more often.

As I said, I doubt very much there are many options for Allan anyway. I'm happy for him to be here, but wouldn't be overly worried if he goes, You can add Newell, to that list too. As you say tidy enough, but in my view little forward momentum. That's four central midfielders in Allan, Mallan, Hallberg and Newell, all of whom haven't really delivered. At least two need to go and I'd be more than happy to back Ross on this. He stands or falls by these kind of decisions.

Allan, Mallan, Hallberg and Newell all have a lot yet to prove in a Hibs shirt if their next move isn’t going to be a significant backwards one.

[Brightside]

Letting Allan go would be madness. He is on his day the best midfielder in the league. We need better around him.
Gogic gives us protection but it needs energy and drive. I like Newell. He is tidy and doesn't waste the ball but that's not enough in the engine room. A Docherty type with Gogic and Allan in the centre and you will see a different story.

Fraser may be that player but we must allow Allan to play himself up to speed. He recently talked about how he feels appreciated here. Really hope we come good on that as a support.

Allan can be a very good player. But you will struggle to find anyone outside of Hibs fans that would suggest he is the best midfielder in the league.

[scuttle]

....Not from me Brog.

Nor me , will always be grateful to him for delivering the Scottish cup

[J-C]

We've really struggled to get a midfield 3 with balance since 2018. We've tried with too many pretty midfielders with little impact in games, Hyndman, Slivka, Gauld, Newell. Hallberg came with a good pedigree and Mallan is better than some on here make out.
If Fraser has a bit more about him, with energy and skill, then he should be definitely looked at.

[we are hibs]

In my opinion the Scottish Cup win compleley changed Stubbs legacy. If we'd lost that final he'd have gone down as a catastrophic appointment. Very fine margins. He'll go down as a legend thankfully as I like the guy but could have so easily been chased out.


Catastrophic. What nonsense.

[SHODAN]

Stubbs failed to get us promoted for two seasons in a row, albeit with very strong opposition.

He did, however, build a very good side and also that other thing.

[Smartie]

Catastrophic. What nonsense.

It's a bit like saying that if Jim Duffy had won the Scottish Cup then he'd have been one of our best ever managers.

Stubbs won the cup. He succeeded where every other manager had failed, and his outstanding cup record whilst at Hibs would suggest it wasn't an accident.

He also built a side - irrespective of other failures and successes of his time in charge - that has been a tough challenge for his successors to replace.

[Andy74]

Constructive criticism of the Stubbs era is reasonable and I fully accept that we missed out on our primary objective.

What I think is undeniable is that Stubbs brought top, top quality midfielders to the club at a time when we were in the Championship. He started both seasons slowly (forgivable first season given what he inherited) but he very quickly put solid midfield units together and brought excellent players to Hibs. Stubbs had his weaknesses, but he also had a stinking record at solving EXACTLY the problem Hibs have now.

He set the high bar that subsequent managers are struggling to reach up to.

I don’t think Stubbs was savvy enough tactically about putting out a team that could steamroller weaker opposition. He built a premier league team for the championship.

But boy did he have an eye for a midfielder, and boy could we do with that just now.

It’s frustrating because we’re so close to having a really good team. We’re a balanced midfield away from having a cracking team. I’m not suggesting it’s an easy fix but it does look an obvious one. Hibs’ relegation team had a hopelessly imbalanced midfield the other way, Stubbs managed to get more from Craig, Robertson and Handljng and added Allan.

We badly need Ross (or our recruitment team) to sort this one. It’s a problem that might cost us 4 or 5 league places if we fail to sort it.

Fair enough but really the apparently top notch midfield regularly didn’t produce and there were huge question marks at the time on all of them bar McGinn.

Bartley was criticised for being very limited and latterly fell out of things. McGeouch was criticised for not doing enough in the final third and for struggling to get any decent run of games for some of his time here. Fyvie was hardly a firm favourite either most of the time and slack passing from him cost us a few goals, most notably at Ibrox.

John McGinn is undoubtedly the key differentiator here and Stubbs did very well to bring him and and to get the best out of him. I’m not sure anyone at Hibs really understood we were getting someone that good.

[ancient hibee]

Fair enough but really the apparently top notch midfield regularly didn’t produce and there were huge question marks at the time on all of them bar McGinn.

Bartley was criticised for being very limited and latterly fell out of things. McGeouch was criticised for not doing enough in the final third and for struggling to get any decent run of games for some of his time here. Fyvie was hardly a firm favourite either most of the time and slack passing from him cost us a few goals, most notably at Ibrox.

John McGinn is undoubtedly the key differentiator here and Stubbs did very well to bring him and and to get the best out of him. I’m not sure anyone at Hibs really understood we were getting someone that good.

Last sentence ? Do you mean that the Hibs staff didn't know a good player when they saw one or are you talking about fans?

[Smartie]

Fair enough but really the apparently top notch midfield regularly didn’t produce and there were huge question marks at the time on all of them bar McGinn.

Bartley was criticised for being very limited and latterly fell out of things. McGeouch was criticised for not doing enough in the final third and for struggling to get any decent run of games for some of his time here. Fyvie was hardly a firm favourite either most of the time and slack passing from him cost us a few goals, most notably at Ibrox.

John McGinn is undoubtedly the key differentiator here and Stubbs did very well to bring him and and to get the best out of him. I’m not sure anyone at Hibs really understood we were getting someone that good.

Yes we've got the benefit of a few years worth of hindsight but I personally loved all those midfielders and could see their quality. Fyvie split opinion but I was a huge fan, I didn't think he was far off McGinn's level when playing for Hibs. yes, he lost the ball sometimes but that was because he did exactly what we're needing someone to do for us now, take the ball off defenders under pressure and start playing.

McGeouch's only issue was injury, and given he would have been one of our highest earners I think questioning whether or not he represented value for money was valid - until his final year. We always looked a better team with him in it.

Bartley was top notch. I wasn't bothered about his failing as a player as we had other players who could create. It's not often that I've had confidence going into derbies that I would have with Bartley on board.

And Stubbs also brought in Allan (whose success as a signing and subsequent transfer out gave us money for McGinn, the permanent signing of McGeouch) and Henderson.

Stubbs weaknesses as I saw them - the diamond, with Stevenson and Grey bombing forward wasn't a strong enough tactic to break down teams sitting deep, hell bent on defending. The keeper was very average, not bad but very average, didn't win us many points. I wasn't convinced we ever really got the strikers right, Cummings was good at getting goals but his all round play wasn't magic and he didn't ever really strike up a partnership with anyone. With a notable exception of one game (against stronger opposition) even Stokes struggled to break down weaker teams intent on sitting in and defending.

The midfield under Stubbs was very, very good. I'd say he never really cracked the threat from wide or up front as being his side's main weakness when it came to breaking down weaker teams, hence the fun and games at Dumbarton and Alloa.

[flash]

Last sentence ? Do you mean that the Hibs staff didn't know a good player when they saw one or are you talking about fans?

Don't think anyone expected him to turn out as good as he has done.

[we are hibs]

Fraser having a medical at MK ahead of a 2 year deal. Hibs now looking at alternatives again.

[JohnM1875]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/scott-fraser-set-deal-hibs-22653969.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Another one bites the dust it seems.

[HendoDelivered]

Oh well. The Dons strike again!

[Robbo6-2]

Fraser having a medical at MK ahead of a 2 year deal. Hibs now looking at alternatives again.

Cue the outrage

[Heisenberg]

Fraser having a medical at MK ahead of a 2 year deal. Hibs now looking at alternatives again.

That rumour lasted a while then 😂

[c31]

If we don't match the salary - we wont get the players....

[superfurryhibby]

If we don't match the salary - we wont get the players....

True.

What is equally true is that if we don't balance the books then we won't have a football club.

[Stuart93]

Ah some superb journalism that eh.

Put out a tweet very late at night saying hibs are wanting him probably knowing fine well he’s on the verge of sealing a move to MK Dons.

Put out another tweet the next day advising we’ve been dealt a blow and that we’ve missed out on “another target”

Don’t give a **** what anyone says, Scott Burns has it in for us big time. Couldn’t have been made clearer earlier in the summer with the whole wage cuts article

[whiskyhibby]

Oh well. The Dons strike again!


🤣🤣

[MartinfaePorty]

If we don't match the salary - we wont get the players....

But, unfortunately we have a very limited budget, with investment further curtailed due to Covid

[jacomo]

Allan can be a very good player. But you will struggle to find anyone outside of Hibs fans that would suggest he is the best midfielder in the league.


Tbf, this is qualified by ‘on his day’.

I agree, on his day Scotty is, to use a much loved cliche, unplayable at times. Not the most consistent midfielder (over a season or even over a match) but a match winner with supreme passing ability.

[SHODAN]

Not too bothered about this one as I don't think his position is a priority.

[Smartie]

But, unfortunately we have a very limited budget, with investment further curtailed due to Covid

And with a sizeable chunk of that budget tied up in paying players who realistically cannot play effectively together.

[Lee Marvin]

Ah some superb journalism that eh.

Put out a tweet very late at night saying hibs are wanting him probably knowing fine well he’s on the verge of sealing a move to MK Dons.

Put out another tweet the next day advising we’ve been dealt a blow and that we’ve missed out on “another target”

Don’t give a **** what anyone says, Scott Burns has it in for us big time. Couldn’t have been made clearer earlier in the summer with the whole wage cuts article

This is spot on. Not a clearer attempt to discredit Hibs you will see.

[Brightside]

Imagine if we were never in for this lad and it was just a bluff being played by Mathie etc.

[Smartie]

Not too bothered about this one as I don't think his position is a priority.

Depends really. I don't know much about him but if he is an "attacking midfielder" as described then I'd probably agree.

I do remember him having a big impact on a game at Easter Road against us (he stood out a mile in that United team) and from memory he looked like a busy, involved midfielder who was at the centre of everything they did. That kind of player we could easily do with, although it is a hazy memory and may not be right.

[The Harp Awakes]

True.

What is equally true is that if we don't balance the books then we won't have a football club.

What's also true is that if we invest in the team, we should improve our league position, which in turn should increase our chances of being successful, leading to increased revenues.

It's a fine line for sure, but the fact we seem to be consistently missing out on signing targets, suggests that we are perhaps on the wrong side of that line at present. Speculate to accumulate.

[Smartie]

Imagine if we were never in for this lad and it was just a bluff being played by Mathie etc.

Why would they do that?

[Stuart93]

it appears the journalist has achieved what he’s been looking for in that it now becomes fact that we’ve definitely missed out on another target.

Yawn.

[Souter96Mac]

it appears the journalist has achieved what he’s been looking for in that it now becomes fact that we’ve definitely missed out on another target.

Yawn.

Yeah, and I swear there was an article yesterday talking about how Hibs have been dealt a blow by not being allowed a fan test event for the match Vs St Mirren..yet the reason is because of the local spike in cases in Paisley. The media are enjoying this rhetoric I think.

[Steve20]

it appears the journalist has achieved what he’s been looking for in that it now becomes fact that we’ve definitely missed out on another target.

Yawn.

Or more realistically, we’ve went for a another player that’s chosen someone else instead of us.

I know our budget is being affected with the virus, but so is everyone else’s.

[Alex Trager]

Ah some superb journalism that eh.

Put out a tweet very late at night saying hibs are wanting him probably knowing fine well he’s on the verge of sealing a move to MK Dons.

Put out another tweet the next day advising we’ve been dealt a blow and that we’ve missed out on “another target”

Don’t give a **** what anyone says, Scott Burns has it in for us big time. Couldn’t have been made clearer earlier in the summer with the whole wage cuts article

This

[Stuart93]

Or more realistically, we’ve went for a another player that’s chosen someone else instead of us.

I know our budget is being affected with the virus, but so is everyone else’s.

Guess it depends on what you want to believe really.

I reckon the journalist’s trying to stoke the fire a bit & make a story out of it.

[Tyler Durden]

I find that Record report hard to believe to be honest. He’s apparently spoken with Hibs, Hull and Sunderland but chose MK Dons? I don’t buy that for a second.

Also nonsense in the article about MK Dons making a bid for the title. They’ll be lucky to make top half.

Not a player we need IMO so not bothered in the slightest.

[Unseen work]

I just found the article very strange to begin with as he seemed to go quite in depth about what was going on and what all the clubs thought about him.

It was nice to have a rumour for a while though.

[Smartie]

I find that Record report hard to believe to be honest. He’s apparently spoken with Hibs, Hull and Sunderland but chose MK Dons? I don’t buy that for a second.

Also nonsense in the article about MK Dons making a bid for the title. They’ll be lucky to make top half.

Not a player we need IMO so not bothered in the slightest.

Is it that hard to believe?

MK Dons make him an offer to be the main man in a title push.

Other offers may be for less money or for a bit part role as squad players.

Sometimes players justifiably turn down bigger clubs and bigger leagues to play in smaller ones, and we're probably going to end up hoping a player will fancy what we offer and turn down offers for more money or bigger clubs elsewhere.

Not saying that I believe this is what happened, just saying that I don't think the notion is crazy.

I'm also happy with the suggestion that there's a bit of mileage in the "Hibs struggling to get players in" narrative amongst certain members of the press, that we fans should be cautious about jumping on board with. Not saying there's an agenda but if they build that up, they might get a few more stories out of it over the coming weeks.

[04Sauzee]

I find that Record report hard to believe to be honest. He’s apparently spoken with Hibs, Hull and Sunderland but chose MK Dons? I don’t buy that for a second.

Also nonsense in the article about MK Dons making a bid for the title. They’ll be lucky to make top half.

Not a player we need IMO so not bothered in the slightest.

MK Dons were 0.12 pts per game away from being relegated this season. You are correct it's going tl take something extra special to get them promoted this season.

[Sheffhibee]

Ah some superb journalism that eh.

Put out a tweet very late at night saying hibs are wanting him probably knowing fine well he’s on the verge of sealing a move to MK Dons.

Put out another tweet the next day advising we’ve been dealt a blow and that we’ve missed out on “another target”

Don’t give a **** what anyone says, Scott Burns has it in for us big time. Couldn’t have been made clearer earlier in the summer with the whole wage cuts article

Absolutely right, nobody should be conned by this excuse of a journalist with an anti - Hibs agenda. Weapons grade plonker

[Since452]

Ah some superb journalism that eh.

Put out a tweet very late at night saying hibs are wanting him probably knowing fine well he’s on the verge of sealing a move to MK Dons.

Put out another tweet the next day advising we’ve been dealt a blow and that we’ve missed out on “another target”

Don’t give a **** what anyone says, Scott Burns has it in for us big time. Couldn’t have been made clearer earlier in the summer with the whole wage cuts article

Surprised he didn't report that we we're signing Rangers crock Murphy or something like that. Grade A clown of a reporter.

[Since452]

Catastrophic. What nonsense.

If he'd lost the Scottish Cup final? He'd have failed to make the playoff final twice, finished behind Falkirk, been knocked out by Falkirk and lost two cup finals. Pat Fenlon would have been hung drawn and quartered for that.

[Lago]

I had hoped we would sign Fraser before he went to Burton. I've been following his fortunes down there and it hasn't surprised me he's done so well.

A very good attacking midfielder, who is excellent in dead ball situations. Fairly one sided but he would be a fantastic signing for Hibs.
To me it looks like the hibs interest has been leaked in an effort to up the anti, probably by his agent.

[Keith_M]

It's quite common for a number of clubs to be looking at a player. When he signs for one of them, it doesn't suddenly mean all the other clubs are failures in the transfer market.

Hibs have already signed quite a few players this season, most of whom are now regular starters.

Some you win, some you lose.

[Ozyhibby]

If he signs for MK dons it’s only for about £2.5k a week. If we had wanted him we could have got him.


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[JammyDoidger]

This is getting silly now. Get the finger out hibs!!

[Peevemor]

This is getting silly now. Get the finger out hibs!!

You act like any rumoured deal that doesn't end up happening is down to Hibs not getting "the finger out", or even not knowing what they're doing.

In fact all you seem to do is get uptight and moan.

[Tyler Durden]

Is it that hard to believe?

MK Dons make him an offer to be the main man in a title push.

Other offers may be for less money or for a bit part role as squad players.

Sometimes players justifiably turn down bigger clubs and bigger leagues to play in smaller ones, and we're probably going to end up hoping a player will fancy what we offer and turn down offers for more money or bigger clubs elsewhere.

Not saying that I believe this is what happened, just saying that I don't think the notion is crazy.

I'm also happy with the suggestion that there's a bit of mileage in the "Hibs struggling to get players in" narrative amongst certain members of the press, that we fans should be cautious about jumping on board with. Not saying there's an agenda but if they build that up, they might get a few more stories out of it over the coming weeks.

The scenario you’ve outlined there in principle - absolutely happens, I agree.

In reality having played in that league the player knows there is no chance of MK Dons winning it or going close. He may have turned down another option but there’s no way he’s had his pick (as the report suggests) and chosen MK Dons.

[HendoDelivered]

This is getting silly now. Get the finger out hibs!!

😂😂😂😂

[04Sauzee]

Bit of a plot twist from a MKD fan on titter.

Russell Martin said he doesn't want him 😂 don't know where this has come from 😂

[Heisenberg]

He’s signed for MK Dons. Someone’s fed the journo poor information by the looks of it.

[04Sauzee]

He’s signed for MK Dons. Someone’s fed the journo poor information by the looks of it.

Has he signed MK Dons fans arguing if fhey are after him. Still a decent player

[147lothian]

This is getting silly now. Get the finger out hibs!!


:crazy:

[Heisenberg]

Has he signed MK Dons fans arguing if fhey are after him. Still a decent player

He has

https://twitter.com/mkdonsfc/status/1303680807253487619?s=21

[Billy Whizz]

He has

https://twitter.com/mkdonsfc/status/1303680807253487619?s=21

Shows his ambition, that’s if we were ever really in for him at all

[Stanton Spence]

Imagine if we were never in for this lad and it was just a bluff being played by Mathie etc.I'm imagining!! Now what?? [emoji23]

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[southern hibby]

I hope Hibs did enquire about this player and another 5,10,15 per week as it’ll stop the media And certain managers of actually knowing which players we are genuinely interested in. Anything that actually helps us secure the players we want should be utilised.

Also here’s my 10p worth on Stubbs. Yes he never got us promoted in two attempts, however with the team he inherited I can forgive the first year. Second year with no promotion hurt.
He got us to 2 cup finals in the same year and from what I’m led to believe he is the only manager in Scottish history to do this from the lower leagues. He is only the second manager from lower leagues to actually win the Scottish cup ( East Fife I believe are the other team ). He did manage to Pick players for positions we actually needed And for me I wonder if he would make a good scout for Hibs or a replacement ( if he ever wanted the job ) for Mathie when/if he moves on.

GGTTH

[Peevemor]

I hope Hibs did enquire about this player and another 5,10,15 per week as it’ll stop the media And certain managers of actually knowing which players we are genuinely interested in. Anything that actually helps us secure the players we want should be utilised.

Also here’s my 10p worth on Stubbs. Yes he never got us promoted in two attempts, however with the team he inherited I can forgive the first year. Second year with no promotion hurt.
He got us to 2 cup finals in the same year and from what I’m led to believe he is the only manager in Scottish history to do this from the lower leagues. He is only the second manager from lower leagues to actually win the Scottish cup ( East Fife I believe are the other team ). He did manage to Pick players for positions we actually needed And for me I wonder if he would make a good scout for Hibs or a replacement ( if he ever wanted the job ) for Mathie when/if he moves on.

GGTTH

Don't tell JammyDoidger though - his head would explode 3 times a day.

[JammyDoidger]

You act like any rumoured deal that doesn't end up happening is down to Hibs not getting "the finger out", or even not knowing what they're doing.

In fact all you seem to do is get uptight and moan.

Not just this deal, couldn't care less about Scott Fraser, it's the time it's taking us to address a blatantly obvious issue!

[Peevemor]

Not just this deal, couldn't care less about Scott Fraser, it's the time it's taking us to address a blatantly obvious issue!

Hopefully Jack Ross or Graeme Mathie will read one of your posts on here and see what's needed.

[JohnM1875]

Ojo, McCrorie and now Fraser within the past year.

Annoying when we're the patsy for players going elsewhere.

I'm all for us sticking to our budget. But we always hear about us 'selling our vision' to players. When, let's be honest, about 90% of players out there just care about who's offering the biggest wage.

Just infuriating losing out on another target we were interested in.

Just hope the next one isn't a Vela type signing! I'd prefer we just stuck with what we have if it's signing someone for the sake of it.

[J-C]

This is getting silly now. Get the finger out hibs!!

Should you not be in school, getting silly is people moaning about not getting a player because some Jambo loving journalists posts some pi sh in his newspaper.

[Spike Mandela]

If he'd lost the Scottish Cup final? He'd have failed to make the playoff final twice, finished behind Falkirk, been knocked out by Falkirk and lost two cup finals. Pat Fenlon would have been hung drawn and quartered for that.

It’s not always about what you acheive. If that were the case none of us would be Hibs supporters. Yes if you wanted to be pedantic you could class Hibs managers failures through lack of ‘acheivements’.

For me, I like the way Stubbs went about his business, I liked the teams he put together and I liked the way they tried to play. Then he went and won the cup, in style, and gave most of us one of the best days of our life. For that alone the man deserves to be cut a bit of slack and mean spirited revisionism parked and left to other team’s supporters forums.

[JammyDoidger]

Ojo, McCrorie and now Fraser within the past year.

Annoying when we're the patsy for players going elsewhere.

I'm all for us sticking to our budget. But we always hear about us 'selling our vision' to players. When, let's be honest, about 90% of players out there just care about who's offering the biggest wage.

Just infuriating losing out on another target we were interested in.

Just hope the next one isn't a Vela type signing! I'd prefer we just stuck with what we have if it's signing someone for the sake of it.

Anyone know what the vision is?

[The 90+2]

No point greeting over the boy staying down England.

Stubbsy is a legend. Built the club up from its knees, had us playing in some great times with great memories and we sold a couple of his signings for just under £5m. Give me that over the majority of managers we have had over the years.

[The 90+2]

Anyone know what the vision is?

Bring in young hungry talented players with a view to nurture them then sell on.

[Stuart93]

Anyone know what the vision is?

You tell us?

[04Sauzee]

Tommy Block signs for Woking

✍ | Welcome to Woking, @Blocky_04

👉 https://t.co/LyoeeQPv8d

#Block2021 #CardsReBoot #COYCards

[The Modfather]

Hopefully Jack Ross or Graeme Mathie will read one of your posts on here and see what's needed.

This is the 5th window in a row we’ve gone into with the same midfield issues. I hope they do read his post tbh.

[Peevemor]

This is the 5th window in a row we’ve gone into with the same midfield issues. I hope they do read his post tbh.

What midfield issues haven't been adressed? Not signing another John McGinn? When was the last John McGinn we had before John McGinn? How likely is it that we'll find another one?

[Billy Whizz]

Tommy Block signs for Woking

✍ | Welcome to Woking, @Blocky_04

👉 https://t.co/LyoeeQPv8d

#Block2021 #CardsReBoot #COYCards

What level is Woking

[The Modfather]

What midfield issues haven't been adressed? Not signing another John McGinn? When was the last John McGinn we had before John McGinn? How likely is it that we'll find another one?

The fact this is the 3rd season in a row we’ve gone into not having a balanced midfield. I could accept if the quality wasn’t good enough if I could see what the midfield plan was. We appear to have mainly just signed a collection of individuals without much thought to how they all fit together.

[The 90+2]

This is the 5th window in a row we’ve gone into with the same midfield issues. I hope they do read his post tbh.

No the previous three we needed a hood spoiling midfielder and we signed the stand out in the league last season for this.

[The 90+2]

The fact this is the 3rd season in a row we’ve gone into not having a balanced midfield. I could accept if the quality wasn’t good enough if I could see what the midfield plan was. We appear to have mainly just signed a collection of individuals without much thought to how they all fit together.

Apart from Gocic.

[Oscar T Grouch]

What level is Woking

National League south, 6th level in England I think. 2nd level of the National League System.

[Smartie]

Apart from Gocic.

The Gogic signing is an excellent one but it was always going to take more than one player to turn our midfield into an acceptable one, especially with Whittaker and Slivka leaving.

A player a bit short of McGinn's level but still bringing certain attributes could transform this team.

And the Aberdeen game showed what we have without Gogic, so some further cover for that area wouldn't go amiss too, as he will miss games.

[The Modfather]

No the previous three we needed a hood spoiling midfielder and we signed the stand out in the league last season for this.

That’s why I said “mainly”. Gogic is a very good signing and clear what his role is and how he fits in but we’re in the 5th window and he’s just one piece of an unfinished picture.

[Peevemor]

The fact this is the 3rd season in a row we’ve gone into not having a balanced midfield. I could accept if the quality wasn’t good enough if I could see what the midfield plan was. We appear to have mainly just signed a collection of individuals without much thought to how they all fit together.

Wright
Boyle

Newell
Gogic
Hallberg

Murray
Mallan
Allan

For me the balance of width, stopping and creativity isn't bad - the problem is getting everyone on their game and available for selection at the same time.

If there's somebody we can bring in who'll improve things then all the better, but I don't see any need to panic either.

[The 90+2]

That’s why I said “mainly”. Gogic is a very good signing and clear what his role is and how he fits in but we’re in the 5th window and he’s just one piece of an unfinished picture.

You said the same midfield issues, I feel we recognise these issues and have tried to rectify in very testing times. Don’t think recruitment team are to blame at the moment, like said before it’s better nobody already than some ***** just for the sake of it. Plenty time left in the window.

[The 90+2]

The Gogic signing is an excellent one but it was always going to take more than one player to turn our midfield into an acceptable one, especially with Whittaker and Slivka leaving.

A player a bit short of McGinn's level but still bringing certain attributes could transform this team.

And the Aberdeen game showed what we have without Gogic, so some further cover for that area wouldn't go amiss too, as he will miss games.

100%. I would argue we need two more midfielders still also but we don’t seem to be blindly going in again with the same issues which seemed to be the criticism.

[The 90+2]

Wright
Boyle

Newell
Gogic
Hallberg

Murray
Mallan
Allan

For me the balance of width, stopping and creativity isn't bad - the problem is getting everyone on their game and available for selection at the same time.

If there's somebody we can bring in who'll improve things then all the better, but I don't see any need to panic either.

There’s a distinct lack of energy and composure in the middle of the park for me.

[scoopyboy]

Ojo, McCrorie and now Fraser within the past year.

Annoying when we're the patsy for players going elsewhere.

I'm all for us sticking to our budget. But we always hear about us 'selling our vision' to players. When, let's be honest, about 90% of players out there just care about who's offering the biggest wage.

Just infuriating losing out on another target we were interested in.

Just hope the next one isn't a Vela type signing! I'd prefer we just stuck with what we have if it's signing someone for the sake of it.

I suppose other clubs were the patsies when we signed Gogic, Nisbet, Wright and Murphy. :greengrin

[dchibs]

I had hoped we would sign Fraser before he went to Burton. I've been following his fortunes down there and it hasn't surprised me he's done so well.

A very good attacking midfielder, who is excellent in dead ball situations. Fairly one sided but he would be a fantastic signing for Hibs.

Thought he was great when we played DU at ER, When Levine was supposed to have signed him on a pre contract I thought he would be a good player for them, ended up at burton and was getting rave reviews class player but dont know what kind of shift he would put in.

[The Modfather]

Wright
Boyle

Newell
Gogic
Hallberg

Murray
Mallan
Allan

For me the balance of width, stopping and creativity isn't bad - the problem is getting everyone on their game and avilable for selection at the same time.

Agree to disagree. I don’t think there’s any combination of a balanced central midfield from those You have listed (Newell, Gogic, Hallberg, Mallan & Allan). It’s the same midfield that badly struggled last season, and in a lot of games this season. Plus the addition of Gogic, who has been a good signing, but won’t fix the problems of last season, and this season, on his own.

[LeithMike]

There’s a distinct lack of energy and composure in the middle of the park for me.Agree. Two more for me needed.



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[The Modfather]

You said the same midfield issues, I feel we recognise these issues and have tried to rectify in very testing times. Don’t think recruitment team are to blame at the moment, like said before it’s better nobody already than some ***** just for the sake of it. Plenty time left in the window.

Yep, we still currently have the same midfield issue as we have the last two seasons, balance IMO. The signing of Gogic makes sense and is a promising sign, but until we actually sign what’s needed this window (and there’s enough time to still do that) but until we do sign the type of midfielders we need, which we haven’t in the previous 4 windows the jury still remains out IMO.

[neil7908]

The McRorie one frustrated me as the club were talking about it publicly and Sevco have given us the run around.

Absolutely no reason for any Hibs fan to get annoyed at the club on the Fraser transfer though. All we have is one journo putting out a story. I'm sure Hibs look at dozens of players every window that don't materialise. That's part of the game. You don't get every target.

[Stanton Spence]

Not just this deal, couldn't care less about Scott Fraser, it's the time it's taking us to address a blatantly obvious issue!When does the transfer window shut? And you do know there's a massive pandemic sweeping the planet which is affecting everything and anything

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[Stanton Spence]

Ojo, McCrorie and now Fraser within the past year.

Annoying when we're the patsy for players going elsewhere.

I'm all for us sticking to our budget. But we always hear about us 'selling our vision' to players. When, let's be honest, about 90% of players out there just care about who's offering the biggest wage.

Just infuriating losing out on another target we were interested in.

Just hope the next one isn't a Vela type signing! I'd prefer we just stuck with what we have if it's signing someone for the sake of it.I get what your saying bud and yes it's really annoying seeing players that might do a job for us go elsewhere but we ain't patsys for anyone. We have a budget like every other club on the planet and the well run clubs will stick to said budget and won't spend what they don't have to please some fans who don't have a clue how to run a football club
I'm also certain that we have been interested in a lot more players than the ones you have mentioned and they have all ended up elsewhere
Thank **** we or you don't hear about all the players we are interested in and lose out on. I dread to think how annoyed that would make you feel

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[JammyDoidger]

We aren't physical or mobile enough to win the battle against a decent midfield. We don't have anyone dropping in to take it off the defence and build the play, don't look after the ball enough. We've got allan looking for the World Cup pass. And newell and Mallan able to hit a set piece.

[J-C]

The McRorie one frustrated me as the club were talking about it publicly and Sevco have given us the run around.

Absolutely no reason for any Hibs fan to get annoyed at the club on the Fraser transfer though. All we have is one journo putting out a story. I'm sure Hibs look at dozens of players every window that don't materialise. That's part of the game. You don't get every target.
Gerrard spoke publicly at 1st not Hibs, a deal was agreed between Rangers and the player until Aberdeen got involved, the loan and future payment plus extra wages for the player changed it. Hibs were not happy at all, the club and player went back on a gentleman's agreement.

[JohnM1875]

I get what your saying bud and yes it's really annoying seeing players that might do a job for us go elsewhere but we ain't patsys for anyone. We have a budget like every other club on the planet and the well run clubs will stick to said budget and won't spend what they don't have to please some fans who don't have a clue how to run a football club
I'm also certain that we have been interested in a lot more players than the ones you have mentioned and they have all ended up elsewhere
Thank **** we or you don't hear about all the players we are interested in and lose out on. I dread to think how annoyed that would make you feel

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Haha I don't disagree about that at all. I'd be fizzing! 😡

It's just frustration on my part. I'm sure I'll be buzzing as soon as the next rumour comes along.

[Stanton Spence]

What midfield issues haven't been adressed? Not signing another John McGinn? When was the last John McGinn we had before John McGinn? How likely is it that we'll find another one?I will have a stab at trying to answer that mate and hazard a guess it was maybe John Collins who was the last before SJM that we had who came close. Some people really need to calm down a bit and face reality

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[Hibs90]

Just me that finds it bizarre that people can't see we need a couple of midfielders?

[J-C]

Just me that finds it bizarre that people can't see we need a couple of midfielders?

No one's saying that, I think we're all in agreement that we need at least 1 possibly 2 midfielders.

[Brightside]

Agree. Two more for me needed.



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2 more?? So we are getting rid of all our midfield except Gogic now? Wow

[Stanton Spence]

Haha I don't disagree about that at all. I'd be fizzing! [emoji35]

It's just frustration on my part. I'm sure I'll be buzzing as soon as the next rumour comes along.Och I'm the same bud and as much as it does my thrupney bits in tae I've just kinda hardened up to the fact that we are who we are and will lose out on probably most of our first choices season after season. I just try and not show it now after 40 odd years of going to ER [emoji1303]

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[Peevemor]

No one's saying that, I think we're all in agreement that we need at least 1 possibly 2 midfielders.

Probably, but anyone coming in has to be better than what we have otherwise they're a waste of a wage.

People that are better than what we have will attract interest and therefore competition from other clubs, including some who can pay more than us.

People have to appreciate that it's not just a case of Hibs deciding that they want a certain player or a certain type of player so they just go out and get one.

[Smartie]

Just me that finds it bizarre that people can't see we need a couple of midfielders?

It’s clear as day.

Proportionate criticism of Hibs for not sorting this area yet is reasonable - whilst acknowledging that Gogic is a good signing, that we’re strong in all other departments, and that we already have several players who might be part of a very strong solution albeit unable to quite cut it themselves without being supplemented.

[Smartie]

2 more?? So we are getting rid of all our midfield except Gogic now? Wow

No.

We need options and cover.

Can you fashion a decent midfield that includes more than one of Allan, Mallan, Newell or Hallberg though?

We might want to play up to 4 central midfielders depending on how Ross wants to play, then we’ll have injuries and suspensions to take into consideration.

2 good midfielders and I honestly think we’ve got as strong a squad as we’ve had for a while.

[Inconsequential]

Just me that finds it bizarre that people can't see we need a couple of midfielders? Well it seems to be the common held belief on Hibsnet. Some posters said the side needed a completely new defence at the start of the season and the defence is probably the most consistent part of the side now. If we sign another midfielder some of the present lot would have to move on as I see it. Halberg would be my guess, Newell, Mallan or Allan? Controversial comment!

[Heisenberg]

We have issues if Gogic is out, we don’t have any natural replacement for that role. We also need someone better and more consistent than Newell. He’s had his moments but isn’t showing his quality on a regular basis.

[The 90+2]

2 more?? So we are getting rid of all our midfield except Gogic now? Wow

I hope one at least goes out with two in, definitely.

[The 90+2]

No.

We need options and cover.

Can you fashion a decent midfield that includes more than one of Allan, Mallan, Newell or Hallberg though?

We might want to play up to 4 central midfielders depending on how Ross wants to play, then we’ll have injuries and suspensions to take into consideration.

2 good midfielders and I honestly think we’ve got as strong a squad as we’ve had for a while.

Halberg wouldn’t be a miss at all.

[Partyraiser]

Gerrard spoke publicly at 1st not Hibs, a deal was agreed between Rangers and the player until Aberdeen got involved, the loan and future payment plus extra wages for the player changed it. Hibs were not happy at all, the club and player went back on a gentleman's agreement.

Unfortunately Hibs forgot that gentleman's agreements mean very little to ****bags

[superfurryhibby]

Well it seems to be the common held belief on Hibsnet. Some posters said the side needed a completely new defence at the start of the season and the defence is probably the most consistent part of the side now. If we sign another midfielder some of the present lot would have to move on as I see it. Halberg would be my guess, Newell, Mallan or Allan? Controversial comment!

Personally, I would like to see two central midfielders in and Hallberg and Newell out. We need better to thrive, it's a gamble worth taking and further puts Ross's mark on the team.

[B.H.F.C]

Personally, I would like to see two central midfielders in and Hallberg and Newell out. We need better to thrive, it's a gamble worth taking and further puts Ross's mark on the team.

Agree with this. We’re not necessarily short of numbers. It’s just that some of the current numbers aren’t offering enough.

[04Sauzee]

Not a Hibs rumour but Bryson has left Aberdeen

We can confirm this evening that Craig Bryson has left the club.

Everyone involved with AFC wishes Craig all the very best in his future career.

#StandFree

[Souter96Mac]

Not a Hibs rumour but Bryson has left Aberdeen

We can confirm this evening that Craig Bryson has left the club.

Everyone involved with AFC wishes Craig all the very best in his future career.

#StandFree

Hope we stay well clear

[1875Sean]

Tommy Block signed for Woking, good luck to the boy

[WillowbraeHibby]

Hope we stay well clear


Agreed.

[WillowbraeHibby]

Tommy Block signed for Woking, good luck to the boy


I wish him well, really thought he was going to do well at Hibs... What do I know? :)

[Percy Vere]

No.

We need options and cover.

Can you fashion a decent midfield that includes more than one of Allan, Mallan, Newell or Hallberg though?

We might want to play up to 4 central midfielders depending on how Ross wants to play, then we’ll have injuries and suspensions to take into consideration.

2 good midfielders and I honestly think we’ve got as strong a squad as we’ve had for a while.

Newell looked great in a number of games last season. Not seeing the same player since lockdown.
Mallan returning from injury, we shall see.
Hallberg (not convinced yet)
Allan is great but I feel he needs the confidence of a managers backing.
Worried that Jack doesn’t see him as an integral part of the midfield.
Clearly we need a dynamic player (Mibbe two) to make this a more effective midfield. Energy and a Sauzee type to control the tempo and take control. Easy!!!

[Stanton Spence]

Personally, I would like to see two central midfielders in and Hallberg and Newell out. We need better to thrive, it's a gamble worth taking and further puts Ross's mark on the team.Like BHFC said I agree with that also and I think us as a hibs support tend to want to keep certain players who ain't good enough for us to move forward far too long. I will hold my hands up and thought Newell was a player and really wanted him to show that but he's just not going tae. Same with one or two others who are playing every week and another three or four who are on the fringes. I'm now at the point with hibs that apart from six players max I couldn't care less if we moved the lot on and brought in replacements

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[King Cosell]

Like BHFC said I agree with that also and I think us as a hibs support tend to want to keep certain players who ain't good enough for us to move forward far too long. I will hold my hands up and thought Newell was a player and really wanted him to show that but he's just not going tae. Same with one or two others who are playing every week and another three or four who are on the fringes. I'm now at the point with hibs that apart from six players max I couldn't care less if we moved the lot on and brought in replacements

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1. Rangers 6 - 16
2. Hibernian 6 - 13
3. Celtic 4 - 10
5. Ross County 6 - 8
6. St Mirren 5 - 7

[Andy74]

Like BHFC said I agree with that also and I think us as a hibs support tend to want to keep certain players who ain't good enough for us to move forward far too long. I will hold my hands up and thought Newell was a player and really wanted him to show that but he's just not going tae. Same with one or two others who are playing every week and another three or four who are on the fringes. I'm now at the point with hibs that apart from six players max I couldn't care less if we moved the lot on and brought in replacements

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Since Ross came in I think we’ve still got more points than anyone out with the Old Firm. We’re second in the league, lost once and haven’t lost a goal from open play. We should only keep 6 of those players. Mental.

I’ll be glad when the games get going again.

[Stanton Spence]

1. Rangers 6 - 16
2. Hibernian 6 - 13
3. Celtic 4 - 10
5. Ross County 6 - 8
6. St Mirren 5 - 7Let's just wrap up the league now then and pretend we're a good side
I'm also aware that we have taken the most points out of anyone apart from the old firm since Jack took over.
The only problem I have with that is the the anyone bar the old firm part, the reason being is there's a baw hair between the rest of us on their day's and the standard is poor.

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[Stanton Spence]

Since Ross came in I think we’ve still got more points than anyone out with the Old Firm. We’re second in the league, lost once and haven’t lost a goal from open play. We should only keep 6 of those players. Mental.

I’ll be glad when the games get going again.We haven't lost a goal during open play has been more through luck than design. We have scored one goal in 4.5 hours and dropped five points in 3 home games. If we keep that up we will struggle
I'm in nae way anti Jack Ross he's just in the job but the truth is we just don't look anywhere like a good side

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[Andy74]

We haven't lost a goal during open play has been more through luck than design. We have scored one goal in 4.5 hours and dropped five points in 3 home games. If we keep that up we will struggle
I'm in nae way anti Jack Ross he's just in the job but the truth is we just don't look anywhere like a good side

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Ah yes, when we do something well it’s luck.

[jws1875]

Josh Campbell on loan to Edinburgh City till January.

[Smartie]

Since Ross came in I think we’ve still got more points than anyone out with the Old Firm. We’re second in the league, lost once and haven’t lost a goal from open play. We should only keep 6 of those players. Mental.

I’ll be glad when the games get going again.

I'm going to agree with you for a change.

The fact that we're short of one or two midfielders doesn't mean that Marciano, Porteous, Boyle, Gogic, Nisbet aren't players who would grace most Hibs teams. McGinn, Hanlon, Doig, Allan, Mallan, Newell, Stevenson and several others are perfectly acceptable players who will do a very good job for us when called upon, many of whom will manage it every week as a starter.

An argument might be made for shipping out a midfielder to bring in someone with a different skill set to complement the rest of the players a bit better but that wouldn't be because any of the midfielders "aren't good enough", just that times are tight and we need to use our budget accordingly.

There is plenty of quality in the squad, a number of players who can be a joy to watch, and they've done well to get the points they have so far.

No real need for hyperbole.

But we do need a midfielder or two.

[Andy74]

I'm going to agree with you for a change.

The fact that we're short of one or two midfielders doesn't mean that Marciano, Porteous, Boyle, Gogic, Nisbet aren't players who would grace most Hibs teams. McGinn, Hanlon, Doig, Allan, Mallan, Newell, Stevenson and several others are perfectly acceptable players who will do a very good job for us when called upon, many of whom will manage it every week as a starter.

An argument might be made for shipping out a midfielder to bring in someone with a different skill set to complement the rest of the players a bit better but that wouldn't be because any of the midfielders "aren't good enough", just that times are tight and we need to use our budget accordingly.

There is plenty of quality in the squad, a number of players who can be a joy to watch, and they've done well to get the points they have so far.

No real need for hyperbole.

But we do need a midfielder or two.

Agree with that.

[CMurdoch]

Josh Campbell on loan to Edinburgh City till January.

Ahead of the curve sir!!!
It'll never catch on.
Where is it reported or are you Josh, father Josh etc?
Thanks.

[ThatDayInMay]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-midfielders-free-agents-18905064

[Stanton Spence]

Ah yes, when we do something well it’s luck.What exactly is it we are doing well? Even the most green tinted amongst as all can see fine well we've been lucky to get the points we have this season
I wish we were a side who look like they deserve to be top of the league and even if that did carry a wee bit of luck but we ain't

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[Aldo]

We haven't lost a goal during open play has been more through luck than design. We have scored one goal in 4.5 hours and dropped five points in 3 home games. If we keep that up we will struggle
I'm in nae way anti Jack Ross he's just in the job but the truth is we just don't look anywhere like a good side

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God forbid when we are really really bad.

Not losing a goal is a mixture of everything and that includes luck but I put it down to hard work and a team effort. I’ll see it as a big positive. You cannot take that away from the team and the back 5 as they were heavily criticised for losing goals easily.

It’s so easy to point out the negatives but your first sentence is FACT regardless of luck or not.

See it as a positive rather than a negative or looking for an excuse when ones not there. Whether you like it or not NO goals from open play


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[Aldo]

What exactly is it we are doing well? Even the most green tinted amongst as all can see fine well we've been lucky to get the points we have this season
I wish we were a side who look like they deserve to be top of the league and even if that did carry a wee bit of luck but we ain't

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We are sitting second top, not conceded a goal from open play.... there’s a start.

I cannot work out if you are being serious or trolling. We’ve not played great yet we are second. I’ll take that. Room for plenty of improvement. Injuries to Nisbet and Gogics false positive haven’t helped.

Try not to dwell too much on the negatives and look forward to use getting better and kicking on


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[Smartie]

What exactly is it we are doing well? Even the most green tinted amongst as all can see fine well we've been lucky to get the points we have this season
I wish we were a side who look like they deserve to be top of the league and even if that did carry a wee bit of luck but we ain't

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I've not been 100% convinced by Hibs this season but surely you can give the defence credit for the way they've played? Marciano has done well when called upon and has only been beaten by penalties and a cracking free kick. We carry a threat up front and at times look dangerous. Even when not playing well we've found a way to grind out results, which is a skill in itself that the best teams in the world have. And whilst we've not really outplayed anyone yet, neither have we been dominated ourselves. I thought we were comfortably beaten by an Aberdeen team who were coasting, but we weren't exactly horsed by them either.

The midfield needs to improve, but in doing so we don't need to chuck the baby out with the bathwater because this team has a lot in the positive column that we'd have been delighted to have in weaker teams of the past.

[Dazzjw1875]

I honestly thought we would've had someone in for the st Mirren game.

[Stanton Spence]

I've not been 100% convinced by Hibs this season but surely you can give the defence credit for the way they've played? Marciano has done well when called upon and has only been beaten by penalties and a cracking free kick. We carry a threat up front and at times look dangerous. Even when not playing well we've found a way to grind out results, which is a skill in itself that the best teams in the world have. And whilst we've not really outplayed anyone yet, neither have we been dominated ourselves. I thought we were comfortably beaten by an Aberdeen team who were coasting, but we weren't exactly horsed by them either.

The midfield needs to improve, but in doing so we don't need to chuck the baby out with the bathwater.I defo can give the defence credit. I just don't see any balance in the side at all and would like to see it fixed we are so disjointed. I mentioned six players earlier and rocky was one along with the two up front who have the potential to be a great partnership. We need players in and players out

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[scoopyboy]

What exactly is it we are doing well? Even the most green tinted amongst as all can see fine well we've been lucky to get the points we have this season
I wish we were a side who look like they deserve to be top of the league and even if that did carry a wee bit of luck but we ain't

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Don’t you think we’re defending well?

[Stanton Spence]

Don’t you think we’re defending well?I just mentioned that bud and stand corrected

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[scoopyboy]

I just mentioned that bud

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Yes, same time as I posted.

[HendoDelivered]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-midfielders-free-agents-18905064

Couple decent names in there. None of them will come here though.

[Souter96Mac]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-midfielders-free-agents-18905064

Irvine would be unbelievable. Very unlikely, but would take us to the next level for sure

[Souter96Mac]

I honestly thought we would've had someone in for the st Mirren game.

Brought the keeper in on loan 😁

[Spike Mandela]

Where has all this Jackson Irvine talk come from?

I’ll lay my cards on the table, namely that I have never heard of the guy and know nothing about him yet the amount of times he gets mentioned on here it’s like he is the missing link, the messiah.

Has there been interest from Hibs, is there a strong rumour or is it just a random name plucked from thick air?

[angus hibby]

E
Where has all this Jackson Irvine talk come from?

I’ll lay my cards on the table, namely that I have never heard of the guy and know nothing about him yet the amount of times he gets mentioned on here it’s like he is the missing link, the messiah.

Has there been interest from Hibs, is there a strong rumour or is it just a random name plucked from thick air?

Man of the match against us in 2016 League Cuo Final!

[jws1875]

Ahead of the curve sir!!!
It'll never catch on.
Where is it reported or are you Josh, father Josh etc?
Thanks.

Know someone who's good friends with him.

[Spike Mandela]

E

Man of the match against us in 2016 League Cuo Final!

Really??? I must wear green and white blinkers.

[Since452]

Where has all this Jackson Irvine talk come from?

I’ll lay my cards on the table, namely that I have never heard of the guy and know nothing about him yet the amount of times he gets mentioned on here it’s like he is the missing link, the messiah.

Has there been interest from Hibs, is there a strong rumour or is it just a random name plucked from thick air?

I'm the same. He sounds absolutely superb though

[Since452]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-midfielders-free-agents-18905064

"After a summer of near-misses, might-have-been's and the entire Ross McCrorie episode"

Have I missed something? Summer of near misses? Who have we missed out on other than the McCrorie lad?

[Alfred E Newman]

Who is Jackson Irving ?

[JimBHibees]

"After a summer of near-misses, might-have-been's and the entire Ross McCrorie episode"

Have I missed something? Summer of near misses? Who have we missed out on other than the McCrorie lad?

Yeah thought that myself.

[Since452]

Yeah thought that myself.

Article sounds like it was written by a Jambo. Didn't know Hibs were even in for Fraser for him to "turn us down".

[04Sauzee]

Couple decent names in there. None of them will come here though.
Hadn't Heard of George Thorne so did my usual had a look at him on YouTube and his 'best bits' had him looking amazing for Derby, but have since read he didn't get a deal at Oxford

Wont get anyone on that list

[Brightside]

"After a summer of near-misses, might-have-been's and the entire Ross McCrorie episode"

Have I missed something? Summer of near misses? Who have we missed out on other than the McCrorie lad?

Micky mouse reporting from a Mickey Mouse media outlet.

[Kato]

Micky mouse reporting from a Mickey Mouse media outlet.

Far easier to navigate than the EEN/Scotsman site.

If you want to read hogwash about Hibs with a jambo slant it's actually way better.

Plus you get the general quotes and interview which you can always skim read towards, any good reader does that anyway as most "sports journalists" have been out to catch controversy for years to collect click bait, it's getting more and more dull as time goes on.

[The 90+2]

Who is Jackson Irving ?

Mrs Irving’s Husband probably.

[The 90+2]

Micky mouse reporting from a Mickey Mouse media outlet.

Yet more credible and better than the een. At least they try to find multiple sources and not just what Budge tells them.

[AlbertK86]

Edinburgh live have been reading this thread with the suggestions a few pages back now becoming targets .... total tinpot reporting


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[sean04]

Craig Bryson released by Aberdeen. Think we tried to sign him before

[neil7908]

Where has all this Jackson Irvine talk come from?

I’ll lay my cards on the table, namely that I have never heard of the guy and know nothing about him yet the amount of times he gets mentioned on here it’s like he is the missing link, the messiah.

Has there been interest from Hibs, is there a strong rumour or is it just a random name plucked from thick air?

Completely pulled from thin air. He's out of contract, has played in Scotland and is a midfielder so some folk on here have just said they fancy him.

No poster here or journo has actually linked us. The wages he's been on down south almost certainly put him out of our orbit.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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[04Sauzee]

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Would love him to settle at a team he does seem to be loving it in Italy.

[SMAXXA]

Craig Bryson released by Aberdeen. Think we tried to sign him before

Hibs or hearts I’m guessing

[04Sauzee]

Hibs or hearts I’m guessing

Could definitely see him at Hearts

[The 90+2]

Sake.

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Whatever you do, hide it from a poster who will be raging we lost out

[The 90+2]

Could definitely see him at Hearts

Best part of my night (apart from my mums spaghetti, sorry).

Sky sports news:

“And next up the Scottish teenager from a Scottish championship club on his way to Italy”

Spent my day working on crap and listening to Boris rambling what he had to (kept it borderline) shattered thinking who the **** have Morton or Inverness sent to Italy, this could be a cracking deal for some boy.🤣

Hearts a championship 100% Scottish minnows and such an amazing deal from a tin pot club in that *****y league to anywhere near more spaghetti made my night.

[Dmas]

Lee Erwin to st.mirren

[Robbo6-2]

Bryson was a quality player.

He could be abit like Greg Stewart who didn't fit into Aberdeen long ball tactics.

It must be murder to play in abereen centre midfield if you like to get on the ball and pass. Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if Bryson signs with another prem side and does really well and I would take him above Hallberg and Newell at present

[JimBHibees]

Bryson was a quality player.

He could be abit like Greg Stewart who didn't fit into Aberdeen long ball tactics.

It must be murder to play in abereen centre midfield if you like to get on the ball and pass. Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if Bryson signs with another prem side and does really well and I would take him above Hallberg and Newell at present

Quite like him as a player not sure what his fitness situation is. Would be very surprised if Aberdeen let him go to come to another premier team.

[scotiaf]

Bryson was a quality player.

He could be abit like Greg Stewart who didn't fit into Aberdeen long ball tactics.

It must be murder to play in abereen centre midfield if you like to get on the ball and pass. Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if Bryson signs with another prem side and does really well and I would take him above Hallberg and Newell at present

Have you watched us this season :)

[SMAXXA]

Quite like him as a player not sure what his fitness situation is. Would be very surprised if Aberdeen let him go to come to another premier team.

They let him go to get him of the wages where he goes now is irrelevant to them as they can’t influence that.

[JimBHibees]

They let him go to get him of the wages where he goes now is irrelevant to them as they can’t influence that.

Fair enough however usually if they were to let him go he may have indicated he was going back down south for example.

[Smartie]

Bryson has been a disaster of a signing for Aberdeen.

He's earned big and provided very little there, even if it was mainly due to injury.

TBH it might make his bargaining position weaker and as a result he might end up being reasonable value for someone if he's taken a pay off from Aberdeen and is able to take a smaller wage at his next club.

I know this will annoy a lot of folk, but this sort of signing after we have missed out on our main targets screams "Hibs" to me.

Saying "we need midfielders" is turning out to be easy compared to actually getting folk who would improve our team to come to us.

[flash]

Bryson has been a disaster of a signing for Aberdeen.

He's earned big and provided very little there, even if it was mainly due to injury.

TBH it might make his bargaining position weaker and as a result he might end up being reasonable value for someone if he's taken a pay off from Aberdeen and is able to take a smaller wage at his next club.

I know this will annoy a lot of folk, but this sort of signing after we have missed out on our main targets screams "Hibs" to me.

Saying "we need midfielders" is turning out to be easy compared to actually getting folk who would improve our team to come to us.
We are trying to get players in who would improve us. This means they would improve plenty other teams too making getting them in a lot harder. There are thousands of players out there we could sign today without a problem. It's not that difficult to understand.

[Since452]

Bryson has been a disaster of a signing for Aberdeen.

He's earned big and provided very little there, even if it was mainly due to injury.

TBH it might make his bargaining position weaker and as a result he might end up being reasonable value for someone if he's taken a pay off from Aberdeen and is able to take a smaller wage at his next club.

I know this will annoy a lot of folk, but this sort of signing after we have missed out on our main targets screams "Hibs" to me.

Saying "we need midfielders" is turning out to be easy compared to actually getting folk who would improve our team to come to us.

Quality over quantity every time. We've been there before

[jacomo]

Bryson has been a disaster of a signing for Aberdeen.

He's earned big and provided very little there, even if it was mainly due to injury.

TBH it might make his bargaining position weaker and as a result he might end up being reasonable value for someone if he's taken a pay off from Aberdeen and is able to take a smaller wage at his next club.

I know this will annoy a lot of folk, but this sort of signing after we have missed out on our main targets screams "Hibs" to me.

Saying "we need midfielders" is turning out to be easy compared to actually getting folk who would improve our team to come to us.


We have already signed our priority midfield target this summer. I know people are getting impatient, and we do need to bring in a couple more players, but it’s not as if we’ve done nothing in this window.

[Unseen work]

Come on Hibs, let’s get someone through the door, make a statement of intent and give everyone a lift.

[JohnM1875]

If we don't sign a midfielder by Saturday, then go on to lose against St Mirren I think I'll stay off here for a wee while. Place will be chaos.

[The 90+2]

If we don't sign a midfielder by Saturday, then go on to lose against St Mirren I think I'll stay off here for a wee while. Place will be chaos.

Get ready for the launch then. We have over a month to get it correct for a season or three.

[JohnM1875]

Get ready for the launch then. We have over a month to get it correct for a season or three.

I don't think we'll lose on Saturday though. So I should be fine 😎 haha.

[GreenCastle]

Omeonga as predicted has signed for Pescara.

Annoying as feel him plus 1 other would have really improved our midfield.

Whoever we sign in midfield is going to be considered 4th choice no doubt.

[Robbo6-2]

After Aberdeen match I was convinced we would have enough time to bring in someone before St Mirren game

[JimBHibees]

Still a few weeks of window left better to be patient and get the right one rather than panicking imo.

[Heisenberg]

Omeonga as predicted has signed for Pescara.

Annoying as feel him plus 1 other would have really improved our midfield.

Whoever we sign in midfield is going to be considered 4th choice no doubt.

Really? I think both McCrorie and Fraser would’ve been coming here to be first choice. I’m sure there’s plenty left out there that we could sign who would be better than Newell/Hallberg.

[GreenCastle]

Really? I think both McCrorie and Fraser would’ve been coming here to be first choice. I’m sure there’s plenty left out there that we could sign who would be better than Newell/Hallberg.

McCrorie was 1st choice
Fraser 2nd choice
Omeonga / Irvine / Docherty etc 3rd choice

We are going down our shopping list..I don’t care really I just want a player in who will improve us and still plenty or them about.