Summer 2020-21 transfer thread

[Smartie]

If we’re wanting to move up this league then we’re better off leaving Murphy to suck cash out of Rangers for no end product, rather than getting him on board to do the same for us.

Decent player a few years ago, not now.

[The Modfather]

Exactly. I'm not a fan of ageing wingers but there are certainly some who can bring something to the party. Look at Burke at Kilmarnock.

Really don't get this chat about needing to have a sell on value. It's fair enough if we are making a big investment through a chunky transfer fee. Otherwise, Hibs are debt free and should be looking to put the best team on the park.

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While I agree with your general point. A transfer fee is not the only way to make a chunky investment. Mark Milligan, for example, came in for free and left for free. I’ll bet he was a big investment though through a signing on fee and wages. He was decent enough, but depending on what he earned I’d probably guess overall not great value for money.

I don’t think age should be a barrier in itself, nor do I think we should restrict business with anyone if they have a player who will improve us, but it is a fine line when it comes to players 30 or older who we likely won’t get a fee for.

[hibbysam]

If we’re wanting to move up this league then we’re better off leaving Murphy to suck cash out of Rangers for no end product, rather than getting him on board to do the same for us.

Decent player a few years ago, not now.

His record between January and March says otherwise.

[S4uzee]

If we’re wanting to move up this league then we’re better off leaving Murphy to suck cash out of Rangers for no end product, rather than getting him on board to do the same for us.

Decent player a few years ago, not now.

Totally agree and can’t see where he’d fit in or how he is better than what we have.

[bigwheel]

If we’re wanting to move up this league then we’re better off leaving Murphy to suck cash out of Rangers for no end product, rather than getting him on board to do the same for us.

Decent player a few years ago, not now.

What’s your view of his 7 goals in 10 games early this year on loan to Burton ?

[Andy74]

If we’re wanting to move up this league then we’re better off leaving Murphy to suck cash out of Rangers for no end product, rather than getting him on board to do the same for us.

Decent player a few years ago, not now.

I don’t know why people bother with this sort of nonsense. This can’t even be classed as opinion.

[HendoDelivered]

I’’d defo take Murphy if he could stay injury free and replicate his form at Burton and when he was getting a decent run in the team at Rangers a 18 months/2 years ago.

I’d probably prefer a 1 year loan deal if anything. They will command a decent fee for a 31 year old who’s just had a very bad injury. Wouldn’t be breaking the bank.

[whiskyhibby]

I’’d defo take Murphy if he could stay injury free and replicate his form at Burton and when he was getting a decent run in the team at Rangers a 18 months/2 years ago.

I’d probably prefer a 1 year loan deal if anything. They will command a decent fee for a 31 year old who’s just had a very bad injury. Wouldn’t be breaking the bank.


I have to agree, we shouldn’t be spending any fee for a 31y old, loan is preferred option

[Smartie]

I don’t know why people bother with this sort of nonsense. This can’t even be classed as opinion.

I just don’t rate him as a player any more.

That’s my opinion.

Not a position we need strengthened and not a player whose contribution I think would be worth the outlay.

Impressive return at Burton but I’m not sure where or how he fits into our team. And then there’s the recent injury, which will have more impact past 30 than just past 20.

FWIW I fully respect your right to disagree entirely.

[hibbysam]

I just don’t rate him as a player any more.

That’s my opinion.

Not a position we need strengthened and not a player whose contribution I think would be worth the outlay.

FWIW I fully respect your right to disagree entirely.

What is your opinion based on though? His most recent time with a run of games? That’s the only time he’s played in the last 2 years and that was the last time anyone kicked a ball and he was superb at league one level.

[Andy74]

Totally agree and can’t see where he’d fit in or how he is better than what we have.

What other left sided forwards do we have?

We have one left winger in Horgan who is inconsistent and wouldn’t really suit being left of a 3 up front if we ever want to play that way.

If looking at strikers in general we have 3 and that’s counting a still unproven Gullan.

If we can afford it then it is certainly a position that would handle being strengthened.

[Smartie]

What is your opinion based on though? His most recent time with a run of games? That’s the only time he’s played in the last 2 years and that was the last time anyone kicked a ball and he was superb at league one level.

Yeah, it’s a good return, granted.

He’s a player who had a decent reputation a few years ago but I’ve never seen him against us and thought he was special.

A slim player who had decent pace, one who drifts in from wide - is this really someone that’s going to be great for us as he advances through his thirties and as the clubs above us decide he’s no longer good enough for them?

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm absolutely astounded at the in depth knowledge some folk have on players of other teams, i personally couldn't tell you much about any of the players we've been connected with or indeed even signed recently.

[Stuart93]

Yeah, it’s a good return, granted.

He’s a player who had a decent reputation a few years ago but I’ve never seen him against us and thought he was special.

A slim player who had decent pace, one who drifts in from wide - is this really someone that’s going to be great for us as he advances through his thirties and as the clubs above us decide he’s no longer good enough for them?

If by the clubs above us you mean Rangers then I don’t see the problem? They’re a much better team than we are these days and their fringe players make our starting 11 better

I’m not sure how you’d know whether or not he’s going to be great for us considering he’s not played for us yet? No-one knows the answer to that

[Hibee Mac]

I definitely think we could do with strengthening the forward left side position. Particularly someone who can almost be seen half as a wide player and half as a striker in terms of goal return.

Although, I think a CM is more important. If we can get both then great.

[JammyDoidger]

Jamie Murphy for free..aye. Giving the huns money for a 31 year old who's no hope in hell or getting a start for them. No chance. Give them nowt. I fact stop even dealing with them altogether. Makes me sick.

[Pretty Boy]

I couldn't remember much about Murphy. Just had a look and he scored 7 in 10 for Burton Albion last season. As something of a comparison Horgan has scored 10 in 67 for Hibs. He scored goals at Motherwell, Preston and Sheffield United as well.

He only turned 31 yesterday, it's not like he is a pensioner. I wouldn't be expecting us to spend huge amounts of money for him but if we want to play that 2 wide men, 1 forward set up then he could be a decent bit of business. We don't have a natural attacking left sided player.

[Nicho87]

If he is a free or a very small fee I’d give him a one year deal, with hibs option for a second.

Personally I’d rather Jones.

[smithy_hibees]

Experienced player who’s played at good level and if he’s up for the challenge definitely bring him in.. need sign player who also has that big game experienced not all about signing kids with the hope they’ll makes us bit cash in 2/3 years

[Smartie]

If by the clubs above us you mean Rangers then I don’t see the problem? They’re a much better team than we are these days and their fringe players make our starting 11 better

I’m not sure how you’d know whether or not he’s going to be great for us considering he’s not played for us yet? No-one knows the answer to that

The likes of Docherty I’d be happy enough with - youngish player who just fails to make the grade, doesn’t want to just sit and pick up a wage and wants to go play elsewhere.

Yes, Murphy had what looks like an excellent loan spell at Burton. But has he been anything like a success at Rangers? I’d say no. His most recent permanent club he hasn’t been a good signing for, and the fans of that club are very keen for him to leave.

2 other points - I don’t like us doing any business with Rangers.

Second - league one isn’t all that great. Good players go from Scotland and struggle, mediocre players go and thrive. There are tiny clubs, huge clubs, and it’s a bit of a graveyard, and no real yardstick of how successful a player might be in Scotland. Murphy was good years ago for Motherwell but he’ll be a different player now.

It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that he might be a better, cleverer player. I just don’t fancy him much. Hunch tells me he’s be injured a lot, struggle to make an impact a lot, all for a tidy wage at a time when finances are tight. We’ve already got Drey Wright who appears to have a similar profile.

Our team is crying out for the midfield to be fixed. We need someone who plays every week, plays consistently every week, someone that the fans of a club are sad to see go.

We need more Paul McGinn, less Jamie Murphy.

Just my opinion.

[Billy Whizz]

Reading Celtic have lost a 2nd young player to Bayern
Barry Hepburn is a 16 year old winger

Anyone know who’s working for Bayern in the U.K., identifying these young players
They signed Liam Morrison last year too

[Aldo]

Not seen much of Murphy and I appreciate others opinion for both for and against signing a player at 31.

At times in the last few weeks I think we’ve maybe lacked a bit of composure and maybe quality in parts of the pitch. JR might see Murphy as a player with a bit of experience who could maybe provide this.

As long as he’s fit and can do a job for team I’m happy to trust JR!


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[jeffers]

The likes of Docherty I’d be happy enough with - youngish player who just fails to make the grade, doesn’t want to just sit and pick up a wage and wants to go play elsewhere.

Yes, Murphy had what looks like an excellent loan spell at Burton. But has he been anything like a success at Rangers? I’d say no. His most recent permanent club he hasn’t been a good signing for, and the fans of that club are very keen for him to leave.

2 other points - I don’t like us doing any business with Rangers.

Second - league one isn’t all that great. Good players go from Scotland and struggle, mediocre players go and thrive. There are tiny clubs, huge clubs, and it’s a bit of a graveyard, and no real yardstick of how successful a player might be in Scotland. Murphy was good years ago for Motherwell but he’ll be a different player now.

It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that he might be a better, cleverer player. I just don’t fancy him much. Hunch tells me he’s be injured a lot, struggle to make an impact a lot, all for a tidy wage at a time when finances are tight. We’ve already got Drey Wright who appears to have a similar profile.

Our team is crying out for the midfield to be fixed. We need someone who plays every week, plays consistently every week, someone that the fans of a club are sad to see go.

We need more Paul McGinn, less Jamie Murphy.

Just my opinion.

Really good, well thought out post. I particularly like your comment about Paul McGinn. Quite a few posters wrote him off when he signed claiming he wasn’t what we need if we wanted to be finishing 3rd/4th, when in fact he’s been excellent since he’s joined us.

Being honest I’ve seen heehaw of Murphy recently. He was excellent at Motherwell, but that was quite a few years ago. I suppose Ross hasn’t signed any duds yet though so I suppose he still has credit in the bank.

[JammyDoidger]

Charlie Mulgrew:rolleyes::agree:

[brog]

I liked Murphy at Well but I saw quite a bit of him at Brighton where he often flattered to deceive, albeit at a decent level. One thing I'm missing though, without scrolling back through the thread is where this rumour started? Is it a Hibs Net rumour, a Hibs Net fact or an actual fact?

[Lago]

Murphy would be a quality signing.
Bit old is he not & injury prone :rolleyes:

[04Sauzee]

I liked Murphy at Well but I saw quite a bit of him at Brighton where he often flattered to deceive, albeit at a decent level. One thing I'm missing though, without scrolling back through the thread is where this rumour started? Is it a Hibs Net rumour, a Hibs Net fact or an actual fact?

Reported in the press

It's now also been reported Utd are interested?

[Heisenberg]

Reported in the press

It's now also been reported Utd are interested?

Think they had an interest first and had a bid rejected a couple of weeks ago.

[HoboHarry]

Reading Celtic have lost a 2nd young player to Bayern
Barry Hepburn is a 16 year old winger

Anyone know who’s working for Bayern in the U.K., identifying these young players
They signed Liam Morrison last year too
I've wondered the same thing Billy. We rate Porteous highly but it's a fact that clubs like Bayern (and Hamburg too) are seeing something different.....

[Souter96Mac]

Charlie Mulgrew:rolleyes::agree:

To Hibs? Would certainly provide versatility and experience.

[J-C]

The likes of Docherty I’d be happy enough with - youngish player who just fails to make the grade, doesn’t want to just sit and pick up a wage and wants to go play elsewhere.

Yes, Murphy had what looks like an excellent loan spell at Burton. But has he been anything like a success at Rangers? I’d say no. His most recent permanent club he hasn’t been a good signing for, and the fans of that club are very keen for him to leave.

2 other points - I don’t like us doing any business with Rangers.

Second - league one isn’t all that great. Good players go from Scotland and struggle, mediocre players go and thrive. There are tiny clubs, huge clubs, and it’s a bit of a graveyard, and no real yardstick of how successful a player might be in Scotland. Murphy was good years ago for Motherwell but he’ll be a different player now.

It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that he might be a better, cleverer player. I just don’t fancy him much. Hunch tells me he’s be injured a lot, struggle to make an impact a lot, all for a tidy wage at a time when finances are tight. We’ve already got Drey Wright who appears to have a similar profile.

Our team is crying out for the midfield to be fixed. We need someone who plays every week, plays consistently every week, someone that the fans of a club are sad to see go.

We need more Paul McGinn, less Jamie Murphy.

Just my opinion.

That'll be 29 year old Paul McGinn, not exactly a spring chicken eh?

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Glasgow Times jurno on Twitter reckons it's a loan till end of season then permanent like McCrorie to Aberdeen.

[ThatDayInMay]

Glasgow Times jurno on Twitter reckons it's a loan till end of season then permanent like McCrorie to Aberdeen.

From what I’ve been told I believe this to be correct. I’d personally prefer Stewart but you can’t argue with Murphy’s numbers at Burton.

[Since452]

Murphy would walk in to any non Glasgow Premiership side. I'm actually surprised he's not getting a look in at castle Grayskull

[Hibs90]

I am not excited by the prospect of us going through Rangers fringe players for signings.

I am also not excited by the prospect of us signing an ageing Jamie Murphy. Meh.

[HendoDelivered]

I am not excited by the prospect of us going through Rangers fringe players for signings.

I am also not excited by the prospect of us signing an injury prone ageing Jamie Murphy. Meh.

Who cares if he comes from Rangers ffs? As long as he improves us thats all that matters.

Also, he’s not much of an injury prone injury, his last injury just happened to be a really bad one.

[Greenworld]

Shankland is in the Scotland squad, so you would think he's about fit.Dundee United striker Lawrence Shankland will miss Scotland's forthcoming Nations League double-header with an ankle injury.
Shankland has not played for four weeks and was still not fit enough to be involved in United's game at Kilmarnock on Saturday.


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[Ray_]

I am not excited by the prospect of us going through Rangers fringe players for signings.

I am also not excited by the prospect of us signing an injury prone ageing Jamie Murphy. Meh.

I'm not excited by the negative nonsense on here at times but I suppose I have to live with it, although usually I just ignore it, but this time, meh.

[ThatDayInMay]

I am not excited by the prospect of us going through Rangers fringe players for signings.

I am also not excited by the prospect of us signing an injury prone ageing Jamie Murphy. Meh.

I wouldn’t say 1 horrific injury makes him ‘injury prone’ 🤔?

Surely it’s somewhat irrelevant where he’s coming from? Nonetheless, the majority of Rangers/Celtic ‘fringe players’ would walk into all other teams outside the OF. Seen people moaning about his age as well. He’s only 31. Latapy signed at 30 and Sauzee at 33. Not ALL signings need a resale value. If he makes the team better I’m all for it.

[weecounty hibby]

He's not old, he's not injury prone and just because he can't get a regular game for the Hun doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good player for us.

[04Sauzee]

I am not excited by the prospect of us going through Rangers fringe players for signings.

I am also not excited by the prospect of us signing an injury prone ageing Jamie Murphy. Meh.

Injury prone, can you expand on that?

[GordonHFC]

I am not excited by the prospect of us going through Rangers fringe players for signings.

I am also not excited by the prospect of us signing an injury prone ageing Jamie Murphy. Meh.

one injury, although a serious one, cannot be classed as injury prone.

[Greenio]

I am not excited by the prospect of us going through Rangers fringe players for signings.

I am also not excited by the prospect of us signing an injury prone ageing Jamie Murphy. Meh.

I get what you're saying, but there's been plenty signings I've not been that excited about that have turned out well.

[04Sauzee]

Dundee United striker Lawrence Shankland will miss Scotland's forthcoming Nations League double-header with an ankle injury.
Shankland has not played for four weeks and was still not fit enough to be involved in United's game at Kilmarnock on Saturday.


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Yeah just posted on the Scotland thread he's pulled out

[Heisenberg]

Aberdeen signed Jonny Hayes from Celtc at 33 and with a couple bad injuries behind him in his career. He’ll be a key player for them this season. Murphy could be a great deal for us, he’s certainly got ability.

[Leighonel]

Jack Ross had mentioned previously that we ideally need to sign players with versatility, Jamie Murphy fits that mould. He was playing both LW and Striker for Burton.

We are arguably light of a striker and a winger so it makes sense to me.

I'd much prefer we signed a CM but that's another matter.

[GordonHFC]

Jack Ross had mentioned previously that we ideally need to sign players with versatility, Jamie Murphy fits that mould. He was playing both LW and Striker for Burton.

We are arguably light of a striker and a winger so it makes sense to me.

I'd much prefer we signed a CM but that's another matter.

I think a CM is next in the agenda.

[Greenworld]

I think a CM is next in the agenda.Could do worse than try and get Motherwell player Allan campbell 22 out of contract at the end of this season


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[Hibs90]

For those asking, I was always under the impression he has had quite a few injuries in his career. If I'm wrong I'll change my post but ultimately still not excited by it.

I hope we are focusing on John McGinn type midfielder

[Dazzjw1875]

I dont understand how its a a deal the same as Mcrorie? I thought he was out of contract end of season?

[Stevie Reid]

According to Soccerbase, Jamie Murphy has made 449 club appearances and scored 91 goals. Turned 31 yesterday. I’d be very pleased if he signed, he looked sharp and dangerous the odd live game I saw him play for Rangers, prior to his injury.

[Stevie Reid]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-expected-complete-signing-jamie-murphy-rangers-2956653

[The 90+2]

Murphy is a class player. I’m sure he nearly signed for us years back then finally got in the Sheff Utd side because of injury and didn’t look back.

[Vault Boy]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-expected-complete-signing-jamie-murphy-rangers-2956653

Quality addition if we can get it done. Brings real goal threat, technical ability and class.

[Stevie Reid]

Murphy is a class player. I’m sure he nearly signed for us years back then finally got in the Sheff Utd side because of injury and didn’t look back.

Yeah I think Butcher had said that was exactly what happened.

[thebausburst]

Murphy is a quality player, proven in SPL, would rather have him than Omeonga any day of the week. Personally really pleased to see Hibs focus on proven Scottish players than foreign buys which our record is mixed at best in terms of value for money / success.

[HendoDelivered]

So if we get murphy... still bringing in a CM/CDM then that QPR keeper. I then presume that will then be us?

[The 90+2]

Yeah I think Butcher had said that was exactly what happened.

👍

[S4uzee]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-expected-complete-signing-jamie-murphy-rangers-2956653

And it will turn into a permanent 😳

[CMurdoch]

Ross has signed McGinn, Nisbet, Wright & Gogic for a total of £250k and persuaded Boyle to extend his deal.
Most folk would agree that all have been good signings to date and none have any major injury issues.
Accordingly if Ross gets Murphy in he has plans for him and he has satisfied himself that the injury is in the past.
Ross is a pragmatic character and knows what he wants so i reckon Murphy would likely be another success. Certainly has the ability and has just turned 31.

[keep the faith]

Murphy is a cracking player and that type of experienced player who has done it at a good level could be invaluable in this squad. You dont want all your players over 30 but you need a sprinkling of maturity and good football brains. Look at Conway last week. Clever signing if it comes off.

[04Sauzee]

🆕 We are delighted to confirm the signing of winger Jamie Murphy.

📝 The Scotland international arrives at Easter Road on an initial season-long loan, with a permanent one-year contract to follow.

[Hakim Sar]

I’d be very pleased if this comes through. Good player!

Who cares if he has played for Rangers? Plenty of their squad players would get into our team. Just ask Mr. Docherty.

Positive move by Jack Ross.

[hfc rd]

Jamie Murphy confirmed now. I’m happy with that. A very good player.

[Andy74]

Excellent. When you think a few weeks ago most were convinced we were going to have to make do with what we had and even had to sell off players on the cheap.

[Aldo]

[emoji682] We are delighted to confirm the signing of winger Jamie Murphy.

[emoji404] The Scotland international arrives at Easter Road on an initial season-long loan, with a permanent one-year contract to follow.

Is he available for tomorrow? Hope so


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[Speedway]

So we’re ok with Murphy being ineligible against the hun but not McCrorie?

[Onceinawhile]

Confirmed.

On paper seems a decent signing in a place we need improvement.

[hibsbollah]

🆕 We are delighted to confirm the signing of winger Jamie Murphy.

📝 The Scotland international arrives at Easter Road on an initial season-long loan, with a permanent one-year contract to follow.

Exciting signing::aok:

[04Sauzee]

So we’re ok with Murphy being ineligible against the hun but not McCrorie?

McCrorie is the type we need against Rangers and Celtic. I see this slightly differently tbh

[CapitalGreen]

So we’re ok with Murphy being ineligible against the hun but not McCrorie?

The key difference being Rangers were getting a fee for McCrorie and still expecting him to be ineligible.

[Andy74]

So we’re ok with Murphy being ineligible against the hun but not McCrorie?

I don’t believe that was ever an issue for Hibs, just a few on here.

[CMurdoch]

Jamie Murphy confirmed now. I’m happy with that. A very good player.


Basically signed up for 2 seasons.
Will only be 32 at the conclusion of his contract at the end of the 2021/22 season.
Another Scottish International player joins Hibs.
Good business.

[GordonHFC]

So we’re ok with Murphy being ineligible against the hun but not McCrorie?

There is a difference as we are not spending £350,000. We loan him for a season and then deal with him direct as he is out if contract.

[Speedway]

Also interesting that of the left wingers available to get from Rangers, we fancied Murphy over Barker.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

If we class Murphy as injury prone then I guess I missed all the posts about our injury prone Martin Boyle when he signed his extension.

[CapitalGreen]

Also interesting that of the left wingers available to get from Rangers, we fancied Murphy over Barker.

Barker was available? He’s starting for Rangers at 5.30pm today.

[Stuart93]

Also interesting that of the left wingers available to get from Rangers, we fancied Murphy over Barker.

Is barker available? He just started their last game. Supposedly best player on the pitch.

[Speedway]

Barker was available? He’s starting for Rangers at 5.30pm today.

I believe I’ve read that him Jones and Murphy have been told they’re free to find a new club.

[easty]

I don’t think Murphey is too old, or too injury prone.

He’s behind Brandon Barker for a game at Rangers though, which does concern me a wee bit.

[Borderhibbie76]

Lots of the currants on Twitter bot happy at losing Murphy to a rival ...

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Lots of the currants on Twitter bot happy at losing Murphy to a rival ...

Especially a league contender rival :cb

[inglisavhibs]

According to Soccerbase, Jamie Murphy has made 449 club appearances and scored 91 goals. Turned 31 yesterday. I’d be very pleased if he signed, he looked sharp and dangerous the odd live game I saw him play for Rangers, prior to his injury.
That’s a pretty impressive goals per game for a wide player.

[CMurdoch]

Is barker available? He just started their last game. Supposedly best player on the pitch.

Not at the moment, but after Celtic achieve 10 IAR he will be weeched (sp?)

[The 90+2]

So we’re ok with Murphy being ineligible against the hun but not McCrorie?

It was never the issue with us. The loan for Mcrorie is on Aberdeen’s request and not the huns.

[CMurdoch]

Lots of the currants on Twitter bot happy at losing Murphy to a rival ...

Folk on social media arnae happy. What next .............anger!

[CMurdoch]

It was never the issue with us. The loan for Mcrorie is on Aberdeen’s request and not the huns.

I suspect you have that one wrong.
Stopping Celtic winning the league permeates every decision Rangers are making and that was no different i.e. increase the chances of Aberdeen and Hibs getting points from Celtic but not strengthening them for games against Rangers.

[The 90+2]

I suspect you have that one wrong.
Stopping Celtic winning the league permeates every decision Rangers are making and that was no different i.e. increase the chances of Aberdeen and Hibs getting points from Celtic but not strengthening them for games against Rangers.

No I haven’t and McInnes confirmed they couldn’t afford a transfer fee this season. The condition of rangers accepting the money next year was he can’t play against them. We didn’t agree a fee with them but had agreed with the player.

[gbhibby]

Rhymes with Gray.

[Onceinawhile]

If barker is the best player on the pitch for rangers, they must be toiling big style.

[04Sauzee]

If barker is the best player on the pitch for rangers, they must be toiling big style.

Playing for The Rangers today and Jones on the bench

[Tynie01011973]

Never mind Jumbos, you've got Elliott Frear we get another international winger 😁

[Chorley Hibee]

Well this deal certainly rubbishes the idea that we lost out on McCrorie due to the loan year.

[CMurdoch]

Well this deal certainly rubbishes the idea that we lost out on McCrorie due to the loan year.

It does.
Suggests Aberdeen offered him more money or he simply decided Aberdeen were in his opinion a better team. I reckon it was the money.

[GreenCastle]

Well this deal certainly rubbishes the idea that we lost out on McCrorie due to the loan year.

Or we just decided to suck it up and agree to it so we don’t miss out on Murphy? Who knows..

Glad we have signed another good player though.

Though a central midfielder is still important !!!! The spine of the team !

[Jones28]

7 goals and 2 assists in 10 matches on loan for Burton last season 👍🏻

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

The Rangers definitely going all out to stop 10IAR. Don’t think that there’s been a time when other top 4 teams have managed to get their players in a single season, decent players too.

It’s a strategy that I hope goes horribly wrong for them, culminating in us finishing 1st and Aberdeen 2nd :wink:

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Or we just decided to suck it up and agree to it so we don’t miss out on Murphy? Who knows..

Glad we have signed another good player though.

Though a central midfielder is still important !!!! The spine of the team !

Our spine is looking decent just now, agree that one more DM would be great.


Rocky
Hanlon, Porto
Gogic, Newell (new DM)
Doidge, Nesbitt

Scatter the creative players around the spine and we’re building quite a team to challenge for 3rd.

[CMurdoch]

No I haven’t and McInnes confirmed they couldn’t afford a transfer fee this season. The condition of rangers accepting the money next year was he can’t play against them. We didn’t agree a fee with them but had agreed with the player.

Nah, I don't buy that explanation.
Rangers would not allow McCrorie to play against Rangers this season.
That would have been Rangers starting point for any Scottish suitors.
Their player, their rules.
That only left negotiation with Rangers on the fee

The other negotiation was with the player and his agent.
Somewhere in the equation Aberdeen got ahead of us.
Suspect the player/agent took our offer to Aberdeen and used it to drive an improved offer which was forthcoming.
Graeme Mathie has hinted as much.

[Andy74]

Nah, I don't buy that explanation.
Rangers would not allow McCrorie to play against Rangers this season.
That would have been Rangers starting point for any Scottish suitors.
Their player, their rules.

That only left negotiation with Rangers on the fee
The other negotiation was with the player and his agent.
Somewhere in the equation Aberdeen got ahead of us.
That’s not true though.

We were doing a permanent deal. He preferred Aberdeen ultimately and they wanted the loan first because they couldn’t pay the fee this year.

The only chat about him not playing against them was speculation on here.

[easty]

That’s not true though.

We were doing a permanent deal. He preferred Aberdeen ultimately and they wanted the loan first because they couldn’t pay the fee this year.

The only chat about him not playing against them was speculation on here.

That’s my take on it too.

If Rangers thought McCrorie was so good that they couldn’t possibly play against them, then they’d have kept him,

[Borderhibbie76]

That’s not true though.

We were doing a permanent deal. He preferred Aberdeen ultimately and they wanted the loan first because they couldn’t pay the fee this year.

The only chat about him not playing against them was speculation on here.

Quite frankly who cares??

He chose Aberdeen over us so let him rot up there along with Dylan and Ojo as far as I'm concerned.

Let's instead concentrate on a really positive week with Boyle signing an extension and now Murphy here

[147lothian]

Murphy will do well with us, who cares the in's and out's of the deal. getting an international on the wing can only help our campaign, its the midfield we need strengthen IMO, I don't really care if he can't play against the current buns this season, it's just good to get a player of his quality in the door.

[CMurdoch]

That’s not true though.

We were doing a permanent deal. He preferred Aberdeen ultimately and they wanted the loan first because they couldn’t pay the fee this year.

The only chat about him not playing against them was speculation on here.

Yet the Murphy deal is on the same unusual terms i.e. loan then permanent at the end of the season.

[Since452]

Our spine is looking decent just now, agree that one more DM would be great.


Rocky
Hanlon, Porto
Gogic, Newell (new DM)
Doidge, Nesbitt

Scatter the creative players around the spine and we’re building quite a team to challenge for 3rd.

Agree but who is Nesbitt?

[500miles]

Yet the Murphy deal is on the same unusual terms i.e. loan then permanent at the end of the season.

Not really, we've loaned him for the last year of his deal, there's not a payment at the end.

Aberdeen have signed a player, who they will have to pay a transfer fee for, but can't play against rangers.

We've also got more wingers and strikers to take his place when we play rangers, we don't really have cover for McCrorie.

[CMurdoch]

Quite frankly who cares??

He chose Aberdeen over us so let him rot up there along with Dylan and Ojo as far as I'm concerned.

Let's instead concentrate on a really positive week with Boyle signing an extension and now Murphy here

He's gone to Aberdeen, no the jail. There will be no rotting involved :wink:

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Agree but who is Nesbitt?

The guy that plays upfront beside Diodge :wink:

[04Sauzee]

Not really, we've loaned him for the last year of his deal, there's not a payment at the end.

Aberdeen have signed a player, who they will have to pay a transfer fee for, but can't play against rangers.

We've also got more wingers and strikers to take his place when we play rangers, we don't really have cover for McCrorie.

Your last paragraph is 100% spot on

[MyJo]

The sticking point with McRorie will have been the fee and wages rather than the initial loan.

After the loan we would have had to pay the fee Rangers wanted to make it permanent, rumoured to be £350k. My guess would be we didn’t want to pay that much for him (bearing in mind Doidge only cost us £300k and we had already splashed out on Nisbet this summer) and were negotiating the price and structure of the deal when Aberdeen came in and met Rangers price straightaway to gazump us and could offer the player european football and better wages.

Murphy is out of contract at the end of the season so Rangers can’t demand a fee from us unless he comes in permanently straight away which they don’t want to happen so they can only expect a standard loan fee from us and then the permanent contract is negotiated with the player, almost like a pre-contract. Much easier to get over the line than the McRorie deal

[Franck Stanton]

Agree but who is Nesbitt?

You mean you have never heard of Rab C ???

[JimBHibees]

Yet the Murphy deal is on the same unusual terms i.e. loan then permanent at the end of the season.

Difference was the transfer fee.

[CMurdoch]

The sticking point with McRorie will have been the fee and wages rather than the initial loan.

After the loan we would have had to pay the fee Rangers wanted to make it permanent, rumoured to be £350k. My guess would be we didn’t want to pay that much for him (bearing in mind Doidge only cost us £300k and we had already splashed out on Nisbet this summer) and were negotiating the price and structure of the deal when Aberdeen came in and met Rangers price straightaway to gazump us and could offer the player european football and better wages.

Murphy is out of contract at the end of the season so Rangers can’t demand a fee from us unless he comes in permanently straight away which they don’t want to happen so they can only expect a standard loan fee from us and then the permanent contract is negotiated with the player, almost like a pre-contract. Much easier to get over the line than the McRorie deal

I agree with all of that other than there is no such thing as a standard loan fee. The loan fee like a transfer fee is whatever is agreed and we could be paying a high loan fee for Murphy in lieu of a transfer fee which also allows the non playing against Rangers scenario. As usual all supporters can do is guess about the ins and outs. FWIW I reckon Murphy will do well and will be value for money so all good.

[Juniper Greens]

So, assuming Murphy can cover up top, what do people want next?

I'd like a left back and a defensive mid who can also play CB

[EI255]

The sticking point with McRorie will have been the fee and wages rather than the initial loan.

After the loan we would have had to pay the fee Rangers wanted to make it permanent, rumoured to be £350k. My guess would be we didn’t want to pay that much for him (bearing in mind Doidge only cost us £300k and we had already splashed out on Nisbet this summer) and were negotiating the price and structure of the deal when Aberdeen came in and met Rangers price straightaway to gazump us and could offer the player european football and better wages.

Murphy is out of contract at the end of the season so Rangers can’t demand a fee from us unless he comes in permanently straight away which they don’t want to happen so they can only expect a standard loan fee from us and then the permanent contract is negotiated with the player, almost like a pre-contract. Much easier to get over the line than the McRorie dealMcCrorie isn't a £300k+ player so we did a good swerve there.

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[The Modfather]

So, assuming Murphy can cover up top, what do people want next?

I'd like a left back and a defensive mid who can also play CB

Energy and athleticism in the midfield as a priority IMO. Someone who can get into both boxes and can move for a pass. Midfield are like statues and that’s a big factor in why we struggle with possession IMO. Anything else is a bonus.

[Speedway]

So, assuming Murphy can cover up top, what do people want next?

I'd like a left back and a defensive mid who can also play CB

Def mid, Centre mid, CB and we’re good to go.

[04Sauzee]

Def mid, Centre mid, CB and we’re good to go.

And potentially looking at a GK so a further 4 to come in and 2 or 3 more out?

[Speedway]

And potentially looking at a GK so a further 4 to come in and 2 or 3 more out?

We always sign more than we say we’re going to, so yes.

[Tynie01011973]

So, assuming Murphy can cover up top, what do people want next?

I'd like a left back and a defensive mid who can also play CB

Why do you think we need a 4th LB?
We already have Lewis, Josh Doig and Sean Mackie Plus Paul Hanlon can also cover that side if required.

Think we need to prioritise more in midfield and may be CB if Darren McGregor n/a as cover, as Ryan Porteous is bound to pickup some suspensions thru the season.

IMHO

[Juniper Greens]

Why do you think we need a 4th LB?
We already have Lewis, Josh Doig and Sean Mackie Plus Paul Hanlon can also cover that side if required.

Think we need to prioritise more in midfield and may be CB if Darren McGregor n/a as cover, as Ryan Porteous is bound to pickup some suspensions thru the season.

IMHO

Diog is young, so should be in and out of the team. Lewis isn't where we need if we genuinely want to be 3rd. Sean Mackie probably needs punted IMO

[The 90+2]

McCrorie isn't a £300k+ player so we did a good swerve there.

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We didn’t swerve

[bigwheel]

We didn’t swerve

Correct. He chose to go to Aberdeen ..he’s a good young player, would have been a good addition - but he chose them, so hope he gets turned over tomorrow and we move on ...

[500miles]

Diog is young, so should be in and out of the team. Lewis isn't where we need if we genuinely want to be 3rd. Sean Mackie probably needs punted IMO
Young players shouldn't be in and out, they should be backed. It's absolute garbage for player development.

[MyJo]

So, assuming Murphy can cover up top, what do people want next?

I'd like a left back and a defensive mid who can also play CB

Out - James sold on or released. Murray and Mackie out on loan.

In - Box to Box central midfielder, defensive cover (I’d take Naismith back if he’s available) and looks like another keeper is on the cards too

[truehibernian]

Young players shouldn't be in and out, they should be backed. It's absolute garbage for player development.

Young players should be supported, totally agree - but only if good enough. We should not be keeping young players on the books who realistically won't improve the first team and who are not developing at the rate initially expected. Often it's subjective and players develop at different times, often with different clubs (Nisbet is a prime example of the 'penny dropping', Cummings dropping back to juvenile football to get the appetite back). It's also been hampered by three managers in a short space of time coming in and having different outlooks and objectives (Ross came in and the primary objective was getting up the league and out of relegation for example, which is not a good place to throw youngsters in).

To illustrate the polarised opinions (in football), I thought Shaw was developing nicely and would have been one to keep. He moved on and isn't setting the heather on fire up the road. He's now in danger of slipping off the radar and down the leagues. Mackie - for me - isn't good enough. Fraser Murray - needs to be tested on loan somewhere and get a run of 30 games under his belt. My gut feeling is he is too weak physically at the moment (for first team SPFL football) - but let's see how he fairs after a good loan with a Championship side.

At the moment we have three Develolment Squad / Academy players in the first team squad week in week out (Dabrowski, Gullan, Doig). Shanley and Stirling will benefit from training (and learning from) the first team day-to-day. That's a decent return (from the Academy).

I still think Scottish football would benefit from a return to the Reserve League, but money and self-interest of other clubs would hinder that.

[Juniper Greens]

Young players shouldn't be in and out, they should be backed. It's absolute garbage for player development.

I would disagree with that. Young players need protected in their first season. Given a break from the team during loss of form (of the team overall). Wotherspoon is a good example. Good player who was hounded out by the fans, when the whole team was suffering form wise.

[CapitalGreen]

I would disagree with that. Young players need protected in their first season. Given a break from the team during loss of form (of the team overall). Wotherspoon is a good example. Good player who was hounded out by the fans, when the whole team was suffering form wise.

I’d disagree agree with both of you and say there is a not a one size fits all approach to managing young players. Some players will react better to consistency while others benefit from breaks from the limelight. A good manager and coaching team will try to understand each individual and manage them appropriately.

[Hibiza]

Can't say that Wotherspoon was hounded out. Was inconsistent .

[CmoantheHibs]

Think there may be a lot of decent players available towards the end of the window and also without clubs after this window shuts. Wonder if we have anticipated this and have any funds in place Justin case.

[SideBurns]

I would disagree with that. Young players need protected in their first season. Given a break from the team during loss of form (of the team overall). Wotherspoon is a good example. Good player who was hounded out by the fans, when the whole team was suffering form wise.

My memory might be failing me, but I honestly can't recall Spoony being "hounded out"; I thought he was a popular young player, who took the chance to sign for his boyhood team when he wasn't able to hold a place down in the side (including missing out on the 2013 cup final, which must've been very disappointing)?

Your wider point about protecting young players when the team is going through a bad time has some legitimacy imo, but that isn't the case at the moment and Doig is playing well himself. He looks capable of making the left back position his own, and deserves a chance to do so.

[04Sauzee]

Think there may be a lot of decent players available towards the end of the window and also without clubs after this window shuts. Wonder if we have anticipated this and have any funds in place Justin case.

Justin Case? What position does he play? 😏

[Brightside]

I would disagree with that. Young players need protected in their first season. Given a break from the team during loss of form (of the team overall). Wotherspoon is a good example. Good player who was hounded out by the fans, when the whole team was suffering form wise.

Wotherspoon just wasn’t good enough surely. He’s found his level and continued to have a good career.

[erin go bragh]

Justin Case? What position does he play? 😏

Box 2 box midfielder 😃

[Iggy Pope]

Wotherspoon just wasn’t good enough surely. He’s found his level and continued to have a good career.

Playing at the same level, often higher.

[Iain G]

Box 2 box midfielder 😃

I thought he was a goalkeeper who would come for and hold all crosses? Though he has been labelled as someone that comes with baggage...

[Inconsequential]

Playing at the same level, often higher. Yes David Wotherspoon was playing SPL football when his former team spent 3 years in the Championship. Last season he played for a top six side. I really hate the patronising cliché - found his level. It's similar to what Old Firm fans spout.

[EI255]

We didn’t swerveWe did, in a round about way.

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[my left peg]

Yes David Wotherspoon was playing SPL football when his former team spent 3 years in the Championship. Last season he played for a top six side. I really hate the patronising cliché - found his level. It's similar to what Old Firm fans spout.Very true,one of the better home grown players in the SPL,his biggest problem is that he doesnt believe in himself

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[CapitalGreen]

He’s played against us 14 times in his career scoring 8 goals and assisting 4 more.

Edit - I think the total games is incorrect as Transfermarkt has his record as W7 D4 L8 which would be 19 games.

[Since452]

Yes David Wotherspoon was playing SPL football when his former team spent 3 years in the Championship. Last season he played for a top six side. I really hate the patronising cliché - found his level. It's similar to what Old Firm fans spout.

Left us and won the Scottish Cup when we were on our sabbatical period 😉

[KeithTheHibby]

He’s played against us 14 times in his career scoring 8 goals and assisting 4 more.

Edit - I think the total games is incorrect as Transfermarkt has his record as W7 D4 L8 which would be 19 games.

Who Spoony? If so those stats are wrong.

[CmoantheHibs]

Who Spoony? If so those stats are wrong.

I think it’s Jamie Murphy he is referring to.

[Coco Bryce]

The Rangers fans not to happy about Jamie Murphy leaving and Brandon Barker is still there getting game time. Barker has been ripped apart by them on Twitter today. They can't stand him.

[Hibee Mac]

The Rangers fans not to happy about Jamie Murphy leaving and Brandon Barker is still there getting game time. Barker has been ripped apart by them on Twitter today. They can't stand him.He's mince, very glad we don't have him on the books here. Bit of a one trick pony

[zitelli62]

I'm sure kamberi or docherty weren't allowed to play against there parent club dont see the problem if he makes us better that's all that matters.

[Clarence]

Very true,one of the better home grown players in the SPL,his biggest problem is that he doesnt believe in himself

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This is getting a wee bit “King Fu Panda”. I think he burst into the Hibs team, full of step overs and tricks and we thought he was going to be a jinky winger but that didn’t pan out. I think he’s had a solid career as an SPL player. Has a Scottish Cup medal which is better than most Hibs alumni. If I was him I’d look at a thread like this and have a wee chuckle. Seems like a model pro too so will hopefully have a long career.

[CallumLaidlaw]

This is getting a wee bit “King Fu Panda”. I think he burst into the Hibs team, full of step overs and tricks and we thought he was going to be a jinky winger but that didn’t pan out. I think he’s had a solid career as an SPL player. Has a Scottish Cup medal which is better than most Hibs alumni. If I was him I’d look at a thread like this and have a wee chuckle. Seems like a model pro too so will hopefully have a long career.

And still has a soft spot for us. He was just behind us at the Scottish Cup Final. Think his partners family are Hibbys.


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[147lothian]

He's mince, very glad we don't have him on the books here. Bit of a one trick pony

I think of Barker as the poor man's Boyle, Barker has a good turn of pace, but when he was with us I thought he could possibly become a player IF he works on his crosses and finishing, from what I saw of their game against Hamilton yesterday there has not been any improvement.

[Billy Whizz]

And still has a soft spot for us. He was just behind us at the Scottish Cup Final. Think his partners family are Hibbys.


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Season ticket holders in the West. Met David a few time, told him that Fenlon let him down, put him in the stands for the Hearts and Celtic cup finals. He said it was music to his ears

[JimBHibees]

Very true,one of the better home grown players in the SPL,his biggest problem is that he doesnt believe in himself

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Not sure about Spoony not believing in himself personally think he looks very confident on the ball. Hibs were on the down when he was here but probably left at the right time to move to his hometown club whose fans likely have lower expectations. The move has worked out well for him and he has played loads of games in the top league won the cup and will have played in Europe also. I think if he had a turn of pace he would have played at a higher level.

[Billy Whizz]

Not sure about Spoony not believing in himself personally think he looks very confident on the ball. Hibs were on the down when he was here but probably left at the right time to move to his hometown club whose fans likely have lower expectations. The move has worked out well for him and he has played loads of games in the top league won the cup and will have played in Europe also. I think if he had a turn of pace he would have played at a higher level.

He’s also a Canadian internationalists too

[Brightside]

Playing at the same level, often higher.

You won’t find many players that would think playing at St J isn’t a lower level to playing at Hibs. I’m amazed we have fans that would question that.

[04Sauzee]

Not a transfer rumour but David Weatherstone ex footballer tweets

Looking for Hibernian fans who remember Niklas Gunnarsson and his spell at the club in 2016. He is absolutely grim for Strømsgodset this season. Wondering if he was a massive liability in Scotland as well? @The_Tman10 you remember him?

[bigwheel]

You won’t find many players that would think playing at St J isn’t a lower level to playing at Hibs. I’m amazed we have fans that would question that.

I think there is more nuance than that. players will view playing first team football regularly, rather than being on the bench, a higher level ..He made a good career move. I liked him, always thought Fenlon’s handling of Wotherspoon was very poor , particularly in cup finals..he has had a constant top league career since he left . More than we did ...

[JimBHibees]

He’s also a Canadian internationalists too

Didn't realise that.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think there is more nuance than that. players will view playing first team football regularly, rather than being on the bench, a higher level ..He made a good career move. I liked him, always thought Fenlon’s handling of Wotherspoon was very poor , particularly in cup finals..he has had a constant top league career since he left . More than we did ...

Wotherspoon never played less than 30 league matches in a season here. He was never a bench player.

[Billy Whizz]

Wotherspoon never played less than 30 league matches in a season here. He was never a bench player.

Until the cup finals

[jacomo]

My memory might be failing me, but I honestly can't recall Spoony being "hounded out"; I thought he was a popular young player, who took the chance to sign for his boyhood team when he wasn't able to hold a place down in the side (including missing out on the 2013 cup final, which must've been very disappointing)?

Your wider point about protecting young players when the team is going through a bad time has some legitimacy imo, but that isn't the case at the moment and Doig is playing well himself. He looks capable of making the left back position his own, and deserves a chance to do so.



DW wasn’t hounded out but possibly too much was expected too soon. I suppose that’s the argument.

Josh Doig has made a great start but it’s unreasonable to expect an 18 year old to play 40 games or more in his first season. However, we’ve signed loads of left backs over the past 15 years and not one has been great - not since David Murphy. I’m comfortable going with Doig and Lewis, possibly with Sean Mackie as well... not bad at all. Centre back is a bigger priority for me.

[hibee-boys]

Spoony was a good honest hard working player for Hibs, had brief flashes of great talent and I'm glad that he's been able to carve out a good career playing for a team in the Premiership. However, to suggest that moving to St Johnstone was playing at the same, or higher level, as Hibs is just not right, irrespective of what league the teams were in. That logic would have had players from Hibs/Hearts and Rangers looking for a move to the likes of St Mirren and Hamilton in previous years.

[Since452]

Wotherspoons winner in the Scottish Cup derby the season after that cup final is probably the goal I have celebrated the most. Temporarily lost my ****. Felt like I'd run two marathons on the bounce after.

[Smartie]

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that as a club St Johnstone is at a higher level than Hibs.

But in the 4 years after leaving Hibs, Wotherspoon won the Scottish Cup, won the Scottish cup whilst playing in the final, played in Europe and played regularly for a top 6 side. Hibs at that time had a failed relegation battle, 3 years playing against the likes of Alloa, aNd had a couple of seasons where we played in front of an average of about 9000 people.

What are the relative levels of, say, Motherwell and Hearts this season? We can’t argue that Motherwell are a bigger club but they’ll be playing at a higher level and for bigger prizes than Hearts. We can debate all day long which might be the more desirable place for a player to play, but we can’t use the same Hibs/ St Johnstone logic when it comes to mocking Hearts in that case.

[neil7908]

You won’t find many players that would think playing at St J isn’t a lower level to playing at Hibs. I’m amazed we have fans that would question that.

Surely lower level could only indicate the position of the respective teams in the league? Hibs have been a lower league club for serval years whilst he's been playing. We can't escape that.

I absolutely think we are a bigger team than St Johnstone but having spent 3 years in the lower leagues we have clearly been at a lower level than them for a big chunk of time. Last season we finished below them.

[bigwheel]

Also Wotherspoon was released by us...didn’t get a contract offer. It was clear Fenlon didn’t want him for some reason..as a result we didn’t get any compensation either. going somewhere you are wanted, rather than staying where you aren’t will feel a higher level for a player..

Ps. I noticed Tommy Wright recently saying that Spoony was his best ever signing. Quite a compliment.


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[J-C]

My memory might be failing me, but I honestly can't recall Spoony being "hounded out"; I thought he was a popular young player, who took the chance to sign for his boyhood team when he wasn't able to hold a place down in the side (including missing out on the 2013 cup final, which must've been very disappointing)?

Your wider point about protecting young players when the team is going through a bad time has some legitimacy imo, but that isn't the case at the moment and Doig is playing well himself. He looks capable of making the left back position his own, and deserves a chance to do so.

I was on the same bus as Spoony in 2016 cup day, he told me he left because he wasn't getting a chance to play in his normal position as an attacking midfielder, he was getting fed up of being treated like a versatile player and being shunted from RB to midfield all the time, St Johnstone never play him as a RB and he's played AM since he went there. He'll never be a superstar but he is a decent reliable premier player.

[easty]

Wotherspoon was a pretty good player, still is. I’m not disappointed he’s gone though. I don’t think he’s good enough to get in our team.

[Juniper Greens]

Sorry. I didn't mean to start such a big Spoony debate. Pleased he has had such a good career since leaving us.
I just don't believe we should rely on Doig all season, and unfortunately Stevenson is on the decline and doesn't offer an attacking threat. I'd like us to sign another LB, and it wouldn't surprise me if we do. Has anyone taken Kingsley yet? I think he is available on a free.
I'd also like more legs in midfield and cover a CB

[Michael]

It was strange when Wotherspoon - I felt like he was starting to get a bit more consistency in his game. Fenlon got rid and had a weird signing policy of left footed players only.

[MWHIBBIES]

It was strange when Wotherspoon - I felt like he was starting to get a bit more consistency in his game. Fenlon got rid and had a weird signing policy of left footed players only.

What?

[PatHead]

At that time I was in the Famous Five lower as my kids were young. The abuse Spoony got was unbelievable. He would have heard a lot of it. That was from folk who shouldn't have even been in that section. No wonder his confidence went.

I thought he was a lot better player than he was given credit for but never quite reached the level we thought he would.

To me he has had a career similar to Lewis. Dependable reliable and steady. If he had stayed he may well have had a similar career. He certainly was no worse than some of the ***** that has been through the doors since.

He still holds Hibs in great affection. I saw him having a shot of the drum in Asda at Hampden before a game.

He said that he didn't realise how big Hibs were until he left us.

I like him as a player but would he have improved with the right encouragement and support? We will never know.

[Andy74]

It was strange when Wotherspoon - I felt like he was starting to get a bit more consistency in his game. Fenlon got rid and had a weird signing policy of left footed players only.

Him and Cairney were part of the reason our team struggled then. We were well enough organised, had a decent striker but when Wotherspoon and Cairney only contributed once every 5 or 6 games we had trouble creating.

He hasn’t changed - you still only hear of him doing something once every few weeks or months.

[MWHIBBIES]

Him and Cairney were part of the reason our team struggled then. We were well enough organised, had a decent striker but when Wotherspoon and Cairney only contributed once every 5 or 6 games we had trouble creating.

He hasn’t changed - you still only hear of him doing something once every few weeks or months.

Indeed. They both started that season really well. Spoony had a really top class performance when we battered Motherwell away 4-0.

Cairney just fell off so hard. His performance in the Falkirk semi was a real shocker. At least partly to blame for all 3 of their goals.

[stantonhibby]

Indeed. They both started that season really well. Spoony had a really top class performance when we battered Motherwell away 4-0.

Cairney just fell off so hard. His performance in the Falkirk semi was a real shocker. At least partly to blame for all 3 of their goals.


Cairney would try to nutmeg the full-back.....once they got wise to that he didn't seem to have much else. Less said about him in the Falkirk semi the better.

[MWHIBBIES]

Cairney would try to nutmeg the full-back.....once they got wise to that he didn't seem to have much else. Less said about him in the Falkirk semi the better.

Him and Tim Clancy were absolutely abysmal that day. Even when we were back in the game Clancy was horrendous. One of the poorest individual matches I can remember from a Hibs player.

[CentreLine]

Until the cup finals

Chatted to him under the stand before the 2012 cup final and was shocked to see him not stripped. He was as surprised, not to mention disappointed, to be left out.
Mind you, not as surprised and disappointed as I was at our pathetic performance as the day progressed.

[Smartie]

Him and Cairney were part of the reason our team struggled then. We were well enough organised, had a decent striker but when Wotherspoon and Cairney only contributed once every 5 or 6 games we had trouble creating.

He hasn’t changed - you still only hear of him doing something once every few weeks or months.

I’d have said that both Wotherspoon and Cairney were more naturally central players who were put out wide. They both did as well as could be expected in that position.

We didn’t adequately replace Spoony after he left either. The team the year after was abysmal creatively and he’d have offered us something.

I shudder to think about what Hibs were thinking about around that time. Griffiths papered over a load of cracks that were brutally exposed the year after he left. We used to criticise Doyle and Wotherspoon but in truth, if we’d keep them then we would probably not have been relegated. The lack of attacking threat in the relegation side was inexcusable.

[Gaffer1875]

Seen a couple of things on twitter linking us with Charlie Mulgrew, anyone know?


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[Ozyhibby]

Wotherspoon is like John Rankin. We got rid of both of them because they were not good enough and they then spent the next 5 years above us in the league.[emoji23]


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[Brightside]

Sorry. I didn't mean to start such a big Spoony debate. Pleased he has had such a good career since leaving us.
I just don't believe we should rely on Doig all season, and unfortunately Stevenson is on the decline and doesn't offer an attacking threat. I'd like us to sign another LB, and it wouldn't surprise me if we do. Has anyone taken Kingsley yet? I think he is available on a free.
I'd also like more legs in midfield and cover a CB

I’d expect 20+ games from Doig. He’s still growing so we do need to be careful. Plenty cover in the squad tho.

[04Sauzee]

Seen a couple of things on twitter linking us with Charlie Mulgrew, anyone know?


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He's a year older than Whittaker when he signed in 2017. I know players can play until they are older these days but a 34 year old would worry me slightly.

In saying that he's younger than Scott Brown

[Billy Whizz]

Him and Cairney were part of the reason our team struggled then. We were well enough organised, had a decent striker but when Wotherspoon and Cairney only contributed once every 5 or 6 games we had trouble creating.

He hasn’t changed - you still only hear of him doing something once every few weeks or months.
Think if you look at what’s happened to their careers since, think you’re being unfair on Spoony
Cairney has gone downhill big time since his spell at Hibs

[Gaffer1875]

Think if you look at what’s happened to their careers since, think you’re being unfair on Spoony
Cairney has gone downhill big time since his spell at Hibs

Think he’s now at Peterhead. Always carried a bit of weight but decent with the ball at his feet.


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[Iggy Pope]

You won’t find many players that would think playing at St J isn’t a lower level to playing at Hibs. I’m amazed we have fans that would question that.

If you mean size of club then say that as it’s without question. The man has played at the same level as Hibs, or higher, since leaving and he’s got the same cup winners medal some of his ex team mates have. If this amazes you, then be amazed.

[The Modfather]

Cairney would try to nutmeg the full-back.....once they got wise to that he didn't seem to have much else. Less said about him in the Falkirk semi the better.

Cairney is one of the least athletic professional footballers I’ve seen. Wasn’t a fan of his. Reminded me of the fat guy at 5s with good feet that we’ve all played with.

[The Modfather]

Not a transfer rumour but David Weatherstone ex footballer tweets

Looking for Hibernian fans who remember Niklas Gunnarsson and his spell at the club in 2016. He is absolutely grim for Strømsgodset this season. Wondering if he was a massive liability in Scotland as well? @The_Tman10 you remember him?

Gunnarsson was decent enough in his short spell, but no more or less IMO. Think he’s another example of a player getting better the longer he’s been away.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Gunnarsson was decent enough in his short spell, but no more or less IMO. Think he’s another example of a player getting better the longer he’s been away.

To be fair, he did nearly put us out of the cup! Still a legend though, i don't care how good he is :not worth

[3pm]

Cairney is one of the least athletic professional footballers I’ve seen. Wasn’t a fan of his. Reminded me of the fat guy at 5s with good feet that we’ve all played with.

Some goal at Parkhead though. :greengrin

[3pm]

Some goal at Parkhead though. :greengrin

https://youtu.be/70ConXBl4EA

[Nicho87]

Wotherspoon was there on the hibs retro bus with us for the good cup final. He done the raffle and took pics with anyone who wanted one. Good converted hibee in my opinion. Nice guy

[Brightside]

Cairney is one of the least athletic professional footballers I’ve seen. Wasn’t a fan of his. Reminded me of the fat guy at 5s with good feet that we’ve all played with.

One of the biggest ***** I’ve seen in football. Also far too fond of the fruit cider.

[Springbank]

Seen a couple of things on twitter linking us with Charlie Mulgrew, anyone know?


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Fits the bill for a solid reliable player that can play matty Jack role and fill in at CB too.

Plus another fine dead ball expert

Imagine wages would be an issue unless he's keen to return to Scotland

[Nicho87]

I’d pass on him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Wotherspoon is like John Rankin. We got rid of both of them because they were not good enough and they then spent the next 5 years above us in the league.[emoji23]


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And Since we've had Mcginn, McGeouch, Fyvie, Henderson, Bartley. I think I'll live.

[A Hi-Bee]

Wotherspoon was there on the hibs retro bus with us for the good cup final. He done the raffle and took pics with anyone who wanted one. Good converted hibee in my opinion. Nice guy

Very good and talented player, wish I had half his skill when younger, people knocking him or how/where he ended up jist dont have a ****in clue in my humble opinion. Or should I say how many who have knocked the guy could play fitba better than Spoony?
:thumbsup:

[SHODAN]

Wotherspoon clearly has skill, it just didn't work out for him here. I'm not bothered he left us nor would I have been unhappy if he stayed.

[BoomtownHibees]

Very good and talented player, wish I had half his skill when younger, people knocking him or how/where he ended up jist dont have a ****in clue in my humble opinion. Or should I say how many who have knocked the guy could play fitba better than Spoony?
:thumbsup:

That’ll be that then. No more opinions on players since they would all be much better than I ever was

[Speedway]

As posted on the Murphy thread, his goals here v. The Mothers and The Yam are delicious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LZqUgdG1Uo&feature=youtu.be

[Ozyhibby]

And Since we've had Mcginn, McGeouch, Fyvie, Henderson, Bartley. I think I'll live.

They were all after we had managed to relegate ourself.


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[Since452]

As posted on the Murphy thread, his goals here v. The Mothers and The Yam are delicious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LZqUgdG1Uo&feature=youtu.be

He's a quality player there's absolutely no doubt about it

[Aldo]

As posted on the Murphy thread, his goals here v. The Mothers and The Yam are delicious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LZqUgdG1Uo&feature=youtu.be

Some very nice finishes and excellent movement from him. Let’s hope we see some of this this afternoon. (If he’s in the squad)


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[Since452]

Wotherspoon was/is better than Handling, Stanton and Oli Shaw combined. Can't think of a better player to come through our system in last 10 years tbh.

[Speedway]

Wotherspoon was/is better than Handling, Stanton and Oli Shaw combined. Can't think of a better player to come through our system in last 10 years tbh.

Has Oli scored for Ross County yet?

[Since452]

Has Oli scored for Ross County yet?

Not yet. Don't think he's getting much playing time

[MWHIBBIES]

They were all after we had managed to relegate ourself.


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And you think John Rankin would've prevented that?

[S4uzee]

Not yet. Don't think he's getting much playing time

Sure we received a ‘six figure fee’

[smithy_hibees]

Horgan away, good source

[Heisenberg]

Horgan away, good source

EEN reporter reckons he’s injured.

[smithy_hibees]

EEN reporter reckons he’s injured.

Boys usually spot on.. fee involved too

[tonyrougier123]

Horgan away, good source

No chance imo

[Robbo6-2]

Horgan away, good source

There is a god

[smithy_hibees]

No chance imo

Like him couple cracking goals against Hearts, fee plus In Murphy sounds good to me

[yerauldda]

Ross just confirmed he’s away

[we are hibs]

Jack Ross confirms Horgan is leaving

[bigwheel]

Like him couple cracking goals against Hearts, fee plus In Murphy sounds good to me


officially now ITK. :)

[Onceinawhile]

Didn't see that coming with horgan.

[Borderhibbie76]

Horgan is good on his day but far too inconsistent Murphy is an upgrade imo

[Vault Boy]

Yeah that's taken me by surprise too, but good to get a fee coming in.

[660]

Where’s Horgan going? I liked him and he has started this season well

[tonyrougier123]

Like him couple cracking goals against Hearts, fee plus In Murphy sounds good to me

U called it right👍Not sure we should be punting Horgan though.

[blackpoolhibs]

Hopefully Murphy can be the player we wanted Horgan to be. A very good player on his day, but way too inconsistent a performer for us, and hopefully Murphy is an upgrade.

[Stuart93]

That’s a pity, he’d started well this season

[yerauldda]

Not delighted to see him go but I do believe Murphy is an upgrade. The Horgan Derby will live long in the memory. The second goal was a thing of beauty.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

That still leaves us with at least one to come in if Horgan leaving balances Murphy arriving.

[Stuart93]

Midfielder still to come in then I reckon. Probably in the gogic position. For scenarios like today’s game

[bingo70]

Horgan is good on his day but far too inconsistent Murphy is an upgrade imo

Hearts away and Livingston away are probably the only two really good games I can remember him having.

I’m pleased he’s away, not good enough imo.

[HendoDelivered]

Shame. Liked Horgan.

[sean04]

Think Horgan is 1 of our biggest earners so could mean a couple coming in

[weecounty hibby]

I liked Horgan and he definitely have us cause for celebration on occasion. Hope this means that there is still room for another couple of new players. Cheers Daryl and thanks for your efforts

[Speedway]

Think Horgan is 1 of our biggest earners so could mean a couple coming in

Although Murphy won’t have been cheap.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Ross casually dropping in a bombshell there.

[jeffers]

The Murphy signing making a lot more sense now.

[SMAXXA]

Gutted to lose Horgan are he’s inconsistent but defo someone who adds value to our squad. Wish him all the best

[hibee-boys]

Horgan too inconsistent for me, hoping that Murphy is an upgrade.

[tonyrougier123]

Think Horgan is 1 of our biggest earners so could mean a couple coming in

Hope so ,Murphy in Horgan out Is not decent business for me tbh.horgan brings real energy and is massively underrated on here.

[Billy Whizz]

Ross casually dropping in a bombshell there.

Like what

[The Modfather]

Jack Ross confirms Horgan is leaving

Wish him well, but I’m happy with this news. He was poor value for money IMO given we paid a fee for him and he’ll be on a wage to accompany that fee.

He’s been better this season, but coming from a low bar and still anonymous in too many games so far (he’s not alone in that regard)

[Callum_62]

Hope so ,Murphy in Horgan out Is not decent business for me tbh.horgan brings real energy and is massively underrated on here.I'd certainly be more worried about Murphy playing against Hibs than I would be of Horgan

Be interesting to see how he goes though

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[hfc rd]

I liked Horgan too. On his day, he is a very good player but the problem has been that he is so inconsistent. One minute he’s very good, the next you forget he’s even on the pitch.

Wish him all the best though and won’t forget his performance at the PBS where he scored a very good brace.

[bingo70]

Horgan too inconsistent for me, hoping that Murphy is an upgrade.

He’s been consistently ineffective, inconsistent would suggest he was good sometimes, bar a couple of exceptions that’s rarely been the case.

I think there could be a player in there somewhere and I’ve no problems with his attitude, it just never worked for him here though. If another club wants him it makes complete sense for him to move on.

Good luck to the guy though, I think he seems like a good guy.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Like what
Only the fact Horgan is away. I certainly didn’t expect it

[IanM]

Horgan isn’t a loss.. glad to see JR clearing out the dross still

[cabbageandribs1875]

good luck to the wee man, don't think he's played too badly this season

[madhatter]

Horgan seems a good lad and had some great games but unfortunately he is very very poor most weeks and doesn't have enough impact week in week out. His inability to last 90mins has been a massive problem since he came. We need players that have impact in games most weeks, not passengers.

All the best to Horgan though, cheers!

[Paul1642]

Horgan isn’t a loss.. glad to see JR clearing out the dross still

Think that’s a bit harsh. He is no world beater but we have had a lot worse over the last few years.

[easty]

Horgan isn’t a loss.. glad to see JR clearing out the dross still

Disagree. I think he is a loss, he’s a good player. I think he gets a hard time for not looking that fit.

[Dmas]

Horgan isn’t a loss.. glad to see JR clearing out the dross still

Nonsense post, he’s not even close to dross there’s been far worse than Horgan through the doors in the last 15 years.

[SMAXXA]

Nonsense post, he’s not even close to dross there’s been far worse than Horgan through the doors in the last 15 years.

Spot on, total nonsense post

[CB_NO3]

Not fussed about Horgan moving. Has some good moments but doesn't produce it very often.

[Leitherhibs]

Simon Murray anyone?

[tonyrougier123]

Disagree. I think he is a loss, he’s a good player. I think he gets a hard time for not looking that fit.

Good wee direct player missed today! Can we no ship Hallberg Mallan first