Summer 2020-21 transfer thread

[bingo70]

After selling Turnbull for over 3m why the hell would Motherwell sell there next best player for 200 grand.

Absolute nonsense. All paper talk that the majority of our fans lap up and then we dont sign him they moan about having no ambition!

Because they don’t want to risk losing him for nothing, or next to nothing later in the season. £200k is a lot of money for a club in Scotland when we don’t know when crowds will be allowed back in.

The biggest factor I’d have thought though is the possibility of getting a sell on % of any future fee, that could be a lot more significant than the initial £200k and something they wouldn’t get if he leaves at the end of his contract.

[Brightside]

The Magennis one seems to have gone away. I wonder if it’s dead in the water.

It’s not.

[Brightside]

Because they don’t want to risk losing him for nothing, or next to nothing later in the season. £200k is a lot of money for a club in Scotland when we don’t know when crowds will be allowed back in.

The biggest factor I’d have thought though is the possibility of getting a sell on % of any future fee, that could be a lot more significant than the initial £200k and something they wouldn’t get if he leaves at the end of his contract.
If they keep him they get 200k min in development fees. Any bid will have to be more than anyone on here would expect.

[number9dream]

After selling Turnbull for over 3m why the hell would Motherwell sell there next best player for 200 grand.

Absolute nonsense. All paper talk that the majority of our fans lap up and then we dont sign him they moan about having no ambition!

They sold James Scott for £1.5m in January too, so Motherwell are not short of cash.
Even if they were willing to do a cut price deal with a big sell-on clause, which seems highly unlikely, I just don't think the player would move.
Even if we were doubling his current wage, Motherwell - Hibs is just too sideways a move for a guy who looks like a real talent.
He can simply wait until January and talk to anyone willing to meet the compensation fee in the summer.

[bingo70]

If they keep him they get 200k min in development fees. Any bid will have to be more than anyone on here would expect.

I would expect so too but don’t downplay the significance of a sell on %, that could be the real money maker for them with him and something they wouldn’t get as part of a development fee.

[Dmas]

I just don’t believe that it was Rangers who insisted on a loan. If Rangers are that scared of him playing against him, they wouldnt be selling him, they’d be playing him. That Edmondson boy still gets some football at Rangers and he’s terrible, Hodor with football boots on! I think it’s a loan because at that time Aberdeen couldn’t pay, and I don’t think it being a loan first had any affect on us missing out.

With the Murphy deal, I think Rangers wanted rid of him but Murphy has a decent contract there, and wanted the money. Easier for Rangers to loan him out to us, where we’ll cover a portion of his wages, than to pay him up and release him.

Your maybe right easty I’m just putting forward another option to the deal going against us, I find it difficult to believe that a game or 2 in Europe is more attractive to up root to aberdeen instead of 45mins along the M8
I think it was mcrorie that wanted to leave both him and Docherty weren’t prepared to sit around anymore the hammer thrower edmondson obviously is.

[Brightside]

I would expect so too but don’t downplay the significance of a sell on %, that could be the real money maker for them with him and something they wouldn’t get as part of a development fee.

I’d love us to sign him. For me he’s the closest to a SJM type right now. Loads of industry, plenty skill, scores goals. I’ve no doubt he would be a great investment. But we would have to break the bank for him as we don’t have that kind of bid in our P&L now.

[JimBHibees]

My thoughts exactly.
Is there interest in the player from England though ? Campbell is one that kind of flies under the radar i am not convinced he has yet reached the point in his career where good teams in England would be interested a move to Hibs could be a sensible move for him at this stage.

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Agree English championship is hugely physical and teams will be wary of someone smaller unless he is superb which don't think he is.

[JimBHibees]

If they keep him they get 200k min in development fees. Any bid will have to be more than anyone on here would expect.

Would there not be a similar development fee for MacGennis?

[Greenworld]

I would expect so too but don’t downplay the significance of a sell on %, that could be the real money maker for them with him and something they wouldn’t get as part of a development fee.Correct so 300k and 20% sell on equates to a lot better than 200k . So nothing is impossible but i agree motherwell hold all the cards here. I know they have pulled in big fees but i don't know their financial situation , does that keep them ticking along or are they cash rich now?

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[Juniper Greens]

Correct so 300k and 20% sell on equates to a lot better than 200k . So nothing is impossible but i agree motherwell hold all the cards here. I know they have pulled in big fees but i don't know their financial situation , does that keep them ticking along or are they cash rich now?

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Motherwell are legally entitled to a development fee of £550k if he leaves next year. That's not subjective, that's a quoted formula that FIFA use. What we will be trying to do is to offer them terms that might one day eclipse that
Maybe £200k upfront, £100k next year and 25% sell on, or something like that. Very similar situation to SJM, in that we came to a deal outside of arbitration (which would have cost £550k).

[Greenworld]

Motherwell are legally entitled to a development fee of £550k if he leaves next year. That's not subjective, that's a quoted formula that FIFA use. What we will be trying to do is to offer them terms that might one day eclipse that
Maybe £200k upfront, £100k next year and 25% sell on, or something like that. Very similar situation to SJM, in that we came to a deal outside of arbitration (which would have cost £550k).Thats kind of where i was going with it [emoji16][emoji16] however as someone mentioned ages ago does that apply if he goes to England

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[Souter96Mac]

The Magennis one seems to have gone away. I wonder if it’s dead in the water.

I've heard they are now looking for a replacement for Magennis, so will only sell once they've done this.

[NC1875]

After selling Turnbull for over 3m why the hell would Motherwell sell there next best player for 200 grand.

Absolute nonsense. All paper talk that the majority of our fans lap up and then we dont sign him they moan about having no ambition!

Because he can sign for another team for nothing in 3 months time. 200k would let them bring in a replacement. Can’t see it happening but i do think they would sell for slightly more than that.

[NC1875]

I've heard they are now looking for a replacement for Magennis, so will only sell once they've done this.

We have Hallberg who id happily ship the other way. Whether the player would want to go is a different matter

[S4uzee]

Now im no detective but im assuming it's unlikely we will have a new face im by the game on Friday night 👀

We HAVE to strengthen the squad before the end of the window. Massive semi-final coming up at the end of the month.

Very important week to make sure we get the signings we need

[Caversham Green]

Can’t remember where I read it, but he was definitely quoted as saying that in response to John Collins saying it was all about money.

Edit, this is what the he was quoted as saying on Radio Scotland.

"It wasn’t even mentioned about money. I know we didn’t offer a penny more that wasn’t already on offer to him. It’s wrong, and I think it needs to be said that it’s wrong that Aberdeen did Hibs on money or whatever, because as soon as someone says it they just believe it to be true and it’s not true."

That strikes me as misleading. Since McRorie is on loan this season, an option that was either not offered or not taken by Hibs, he will be getting paid the wages that Rangers were paying for an extra season. Presumably they were paying more than Hibs or Aberdeen were offering therefore the player will be better off.

[brog]

Motherwell are legally entitled to a development fee of £550k if he leaves next year. That's not subjective, that's a quoted formula that FIFA use. What we will be trying to do is to offer them terms that might one day eclipse that
Maybe £200k upfront, £100k next year and 25% sell on, or something like that. Very similar situation to SJM, in that we came to a deal outside of arbitration (which would have cost £550k).

I'm not being awkward here but just how does this work? Does every player who goes to another club from the Club who developed him cost £550k? If that's the case why did we let Ben Stirling leave?

[Caversham Green]

If the financials are the same, then we missed out for non-financial reasons.

He wanted to play in Europe. He wanted to work with McInnes. He thought he had a better chance of trophies there. Maybe he just wasn't very keen on Hibs?

It happens.

Maybe he listens to Sportsound and got the wrong impression of how Hibs are being run.:stirrer:

[04Sauzee]

Dundee Utd make a signing. Looks decent on paper

✅ OFICIAL: Jeando Fuchs, traspasado al @dundeeunitedfc.

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[Col2]

Scott Burns re Twitter:

https://twitter.com/scottburns75/status/1311226908898734082?s=21

[04Sauzee]

Ross Barkley signs for Villa on a season long loan

[Souter96Mac]

Dundee Utd make a signing. Looks decent on paper

✅ OFICIAL: Jeando Fuchs, traspasado al @dundeeunitedfc.

Mila esker, @JeandoFuchs ❗️

Love these sort of transfers. Think United could be busy this week

[SHODAN]

Dundee Utd make a signing. Looks decent on paper

✅ OFICIAL: Jeando Fuchs, traspasado al @dundeeunitedfc.

Mila esker, @JeandoFuchs ❗️

Fuchs sake, that's another one we've missed out on.

[SaulGoodman]

Scott Burns re Twitter:

https://twitter.com/scottburns75/status/1311226908898734082?s=21

Tweet tomorrow “Exciting times may not be ahead for Hibs after shock transfer collapse!”

[Wilson]

Scott Burns re Twitter:

https://twitter.com/scottburns75/status/1311226908898734082?s=21

He's right of course but I don't take his tweet at face value. The manner I'd his reporting - especially when we signed Nisbet - suggests he has an axe to grind.

[Andy74]

I'm not being awkward here but just how does this work? Does every player who goes to another club from the Club who developed him cost £550k? If that's the case why did we let Ben Stirling leave?

Doesn’t sound right really.

[Greenworld]

I'm not being awkward here but just how does this work? Does every player who goes to another club from the Club who developed him cost £550k? If that's the case why did we let Ben Stirling leave?Im wondering that to. I know there are 4 categories of payments.
This was brought in to stop the payments being to large.
They can be paid from 12 to 21
However 12 - 15 IS CAT 4 payment
16- 21 is a higher payment .
It is complex stuff so well done whoever managed to work it out , the papers are going with 200k comp so im not sure where 550 comes from

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[JimBHibees]

Im wondering that to. I know there are 4 categories of payments.
This was brought in to stop the payments being to large.
They can be paid from 12 to 21
However 12 - 15 IS CAT 4 payment
16- 21 is a higher payment .
It is complex stuff so well done whoever managed to work it out , the papers are going with 200k comp so im not sure where 550 comes from

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550 seems way too much

[Alex Trager]

Surely if there was interest in Campbell by any club it would happen. I don’t get how suddenly we start to show an interest an that sparks all the clubs down south to make their move. Hibs will use John McGinn as the this could be you sales pitch. Hope we get him an Magennis. I’d punt Mallan in a swap deal also.

This is what I don’t understand. If there are other clubs looking at him, where are they?

We get told that he would command a decent wage from an English club, well they don’t seem to be making nay moves for him.

[green day]

I'm not being awkward here but just how does this work? Does every player who goes to another club from the Club who developed him cost £550k? If that's the case why did we let Ben Stirling leave?

There is a table based on the club academy category and length of service.

All pretty straighforward unless they go to the MLS and the club get nothing.

eta - The tribunal fee paid to Accies for Lewis Ferguson was £237,950.

Ferguson had been at Accies for 5 years and had 14 first team appearances.

Campbell has been at Well for for 12 years, over 130 appearances.

[bingo70]

There is a table based on the club academy category and length of service.

All pretty straighforward unless they go to the MLS and the club get nothing.

Sure I remember it costing Craig Sibbald a decent move when he was younger as nobody was willing to pay the development fee and Falkirk wouldn’t budge. Possibly to Luton?

Can’t remember what the solution was but think he either started the season without a club or had to re sign for Falkirk in the end has he had no other options.

[green day]

Sure I remember it costing Craig Sibbald a decent move when he was younger as nobody was willing to pay the development fee and Falkirk wouldn’t budge. Possibly to Luton?

Can’t remember what the solution was but think he either started the season without a club or had to re sign for Falkirk in the end has he had no other options.

Thats what happened - and arguably it cost the player a lot of money.

The system is designed to protect smaller clubs, but there are some unintended consequences.

Back on the Campbell one - Well fans reckon (correctly, I think) that his dev fee will be £550k. They have just agreed a £3m transfer................I really cant see either Hibs or Aberdeen signing him now or on a PCA in January. I imagine he will head down south.

[Fergus52]

Wonder if Ben Stirling being away now means we're confident of Magennis.

[HendoDelivered]

Wonder if Ben Stirling being away now means we're confident of Magennis.

May have no impact as Ben is a defender

[Fergus52]

May have no impact as Ben is a defender

Ah, thought he played defensive mid.

[duffers]

Wonder if Ben Stirling being away now means we're confident of Magennis.

I’m assuming Stirling left on a free?

[calumhibee1]

I'm not being awkward here but just how does this work? Does every player who goes to another club from the Club who developed him cost £550k? If that's the case why did we let Ben Stirling leave?

Would we not have had to offer Stirling a new deal? Basically, is it not the case that the club who owns the player has to have a desire to keep him to be able to get the money by offering him a new deal on equal or better terms to their previous one?

[calumhibee1]

Dundee Utd make a signing. Looks decent on paper

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On paper he sounds an exceptional signing for them.

[brog]

Thats what happened - and arguably it cost the player a lot of money.

The system is designed to protect smaller clubs, but there are some unintended consequences.

Back on the Campbell one - Well fans reckon (correctly, I think) that his dev fee will be £550k. They have just agreed a £3m transfer................I really cant see either Hibs or Aberdeen signing him now or on a PCA in January. I imagine he will head down south.

Thanks, both your posts were helpful. To summarise then, it seems the only way Well would accept less than about £500m for Campbell would be if the offer included future potentially attractive options. However, given Well have recently received about £4-5m for Scott & Turnbull, they would probably think they could market Campbell as effectively as Hibs. The only other possible downside for Well is they have a potentially disaffected player at the club who may never fulfill his current promise & Well eventually lose out. Think I'll stick with my original theory, KM is our #1 target & this is just a smokescreen.

[Heisenberg]

Motherwell chief exec confirming Campbell is going nowhere for 200k.

https://twitter.com/alan_burrows/status/1311033567015772168?s=21

[brog]

Ah, thought he played defensive mid.

He can do & has for the development team. His last loan to Alloa he was played at right back.

[HendoDelivered]

Scott Burns: Off the record, Hibs made the first move and asked to be kept informed. Motherwell have since had Aberdeen on and have now told Hibs that.

[04Sauzee]

Well that's the Owls now signed Callum Paterson, we now have Paterson and Josh Windas at Wednesday 🙄

[CapitalGreen]

Scott Burns: Off the record, Hibs made the first move and asked to be kept informed. Motherwell have since had Aberdeen on and have now told Hibs that.

You’re not really keeping it off the record if you are telling us he said it BMD.

[Northernhibee]

On paper he sounds an exceptional signing for them.

In recent years Dundee United have made a number of signings that sound exceptional on paper (Guy Demel, the Japanese national keeper, Fyvie and others) and only Shankland has really worked out for them. Not too worried about it.

[04Sauzee]

You’re not really keeping it off the record if you are telling us he said it BMD.

Not sure what BMD stands for so i googled it. All i can find is Bone Mineral Density? 👀

[Sean1875]

Thanks, both your posts were helpful. To summarise then, it seems the only way Well would accept less than about £500m for Campbell would be if the offer included future potentially attractive options. However, given Well have recently received about £4-5m for Scott & Turnbull, they would probably think they could market Campbell as effectively as Hibs. The only other possible downside for Well is they have a potentially disaffected player at the club who may never fulfill his current promise & Well eventually lose out. Think I'll stick with my original theory, KM is our #1 target & this is just a smokescreen.

Now that would be a real statement of intent paying half a billion for him, money bags Ron :greengrin

[oneone73]

Scott Burns: Off the record, Hibs made the first move and asked to be kept informed. Motherwell have since had Aberdeen on and have now told Hibs that.

How can a journalist put in the public domain something that's off the record?

[HendoDelivered]

You’re not really keeping it off the record if you are telling us he said it BMD.

Why does that matter? I’m adding to a transfer thread. And what is BMD? You’ve lost me here, I’m no good with text speak!

[Aldo]

You’re not really keeping it off the record if you are telling us he said it BMD.

This made me laugh.

CG you think it could be??


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[CapitalGreen]

Why does that matter? I’m adding to a transfer thread. And what is BMD? You’ve lost me here, I’m no good with text speak!

https://i.redd.it/tuq5t4ycmup11.jpg

[Juniper Greens]

Thats kind of where i was going with it [emoji16][emoji16] however as someone mentioned ages ago does that apply if he goes to England

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Yep, if he went to the premiership it would be £900k, championship and league 1 are 550k and league 2 c300k

[Juniper Greens]

There is a table based on the club academy category and length of service.

All pretty straighforward unless they go to the MLS and the club get nothing.

eta - The tribunal fee paid to Accies for Lewis Ferguson was £237,950.

Ferguson had been at Accies for 5 years and had 14 first team appearances.

Campbell has been at Well for for 12 years, over 130 appearances.

MLS agreed to join the scheme a year ago, so they are now included. This was because clubs their were missing out on fees for people like the guy who went to Chelsea

[Juniper Greens]

Would we not have had to offer Stirling a new deal? Basically, is it not the case that the club who owns the player has to have a desire to keep him to be able to get the money by offering him a new deal on equal or better terms to their previous one?

It only applies when a player is out of contract. We sold Stirling for less as he wanted first team football and unless we offered him a new deal in 12 months, he could leave for free

[04Sauzee]

Stafan Bienkowski on twitter(no idea who he is really but writes articles and talks on football podcast)

Today's newsletter on Allan Campbell's situation:

- Motherwell have received no offers
- Due £500k compensation *if* he leaves for free in the summer
- Includes pre-contract agreements
- Wouldn't accept any offer of anything less

https://t.co/uoSGpBhC4p

[jeffers]

I’d be amazed if we signed Campbell, but think if it was to happen it needs to be this window. Wonder if we would offer a player as part of any deal.

[Since90+2]

Stafan Bienkowski on twitter(no idea who he is really but writes articles and talks on football podcast)

Today's newsletter on Allan Campbell's situation:

- Motherwell have received no offers
- Due £500k compensation *if* he leaves for free in the summer
- Includes pre-contract agreements
- Wouldn't accept any offer of anything less

https://t.co/uoSGpBhC4p

No chance then. If we were paying £500k for him he's going to be wanting a salary requisite with that price tag. If he was on £4k a week on a 4 year deal that's £800k + £500k transfer fee. We won't be doing that.

[CapitalGreen]

No chance then. If we were paying £500k for him he's going to be wanting a salary requisite with that price tag. If he was on £4k a week on a 4 year deal that's £800k + £500k transfer fee. We won't be doing that.

That’s a lower salary than we were paying Josh Vela.

[04Sauzee]

I’d be amazed if we signed Campbell, but think if it was to happen it needs to be this window. Wonder if we would offer a player as part of any deal.

The difficulty with a money plus player deal is the obvious problems, in that the player would have to be open to a move to Motherwell, Motherwell would like the player on offer and would they be paying the same wages we do?

[Since90+2]

That’s a lower salary than we were paying Josh Vela.

Even less likely we are signing him them.

[jeffers]

The difficulty with a money plus player deal is the obvious problems, in that the player would have to be open to a move to Motherwell, Motherwell would like the player on offer and would they be paying the same wages we do?

Totally agree and I can only think of one player we might let go and that they might be interested in - Mallan. And that is just pure speculation on my part.

[Brightside]

Stafan Bienkowski on twitter(no idea who he is really but writes articles and talks on football podcast)

Today's newsletter on Allan Campbell's situation:

- Motherwell have received no offers
- Due £500k compensation *if* he leaves for free in the summer
- Includes pre-contract agreements
- Wouldn't accept any offer of anything less

https://t.co/uoSGpBhC4p

Stefan knows his stuff.

[The 90+2]

Well that's the Owls now signed Callum Paterson, we now have Paterson and Josh Windas at Wednesday 🙄

What percentage of the £20/£30M do hearts get?

Windass is a baller. 👍

[The 90+2]

Stafan Bienkowski on twitter(no idea who he is really but writes articles and talks on football podcast)

Today's newsletter on Allan Campbell's situation:

- Motherwell have received no offers
- Due £500k compensation *if* he leaves for free in the summer
- Includes pre-contract agreements
- Wouldn't accept any offer of anything less

https://t.co/uoSGpBhC4p

Who decides the compensation due? I thought it takes into consideration international appearances and other stuff? The player surely can’t be held to stay at Motherwell if nobody thinks he’s worth that?

I personally do think he’s worth more than that and will sell for millions but it’s not the point. Porteous plays for Scotland next week and was out of contract next season so we just demand £3m compensation as the sheep’s sold McKenna for that? If so why didn’t we just let JC and SJM run down contracts and ask for £5m?

[Gypsy King]

if its 500k for Campbell we need to go for it

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

if its 500k for Campbell we need to go for it

Speculate to accumulate

[Since90+2]

if its 500k for Campbell we need to go for it

No chance we will pay that and his wages on top.

[04Sauzee]

What percentage of the £20/£30M do hearts get?

Windass is a baller. 👍

Windass is a decent player, just don't like saying it 😁
Hearts received a 5 figure fee

[Brightside]

JET signs for Livi. :greengrin

[04Sauzee]

JET signs for Livi. :greengrin

The audacity to go out and sign another player eh.

✍🏻| Livingston FC is delighted to announce the signing of English striker Jay Emmanuel-Thomas on a one-year deal, with the club having an option of a second year, subject to international clearance.

🔗 Read the full story here - https://t.co/D4sEumGRwa https://t.co/Kj56KzFnBu

[MyJo]

Who decides the compensation due? I thought it takes into consideration international appearances and other stuff? The player surely can’t be held to stay at Motherwell if nobody thinks he’s worth that?

I personally do think he’s worth more than that and will sell for millions but it’s not the point. Porteous plays for Scotland next week and was out of contract next season so we just demand £3m compensation as the sheep’s sold McKenna for that? If so why didn’t we just let JC and SJM run down contracts and ask for £5m?

There’s a formula set by FIFA based on the number of years the player was trained by the club and the category of club and youth system etc.

I think Motherwell have a Gold standard youth set up under the SFA classifications and that equates to €60k per year between the ages of 12 and 21 in training compensation so a player like Campbell who has been there for that full ten years is worth €600k

Likewise, Magennis as St Mirren as he has been with them for that full ten year period but I think they are only graded silver so would only get €30k per year

[The 90+2]

There’s a formula set by FIFA based on the number of years the player was trained by the club and the category of club and youth system etc.

I think Motherwell have a Gold standard youth set up under the SFA classifications and that equates to €60k per year between the ages of 12 and 21 in training compensation so a player like Campbell who has been there for that full ten years is worth €600k

Likewise, Magennis as St Mirren as he has been with them for that full ten year period but I think they are only graded silver so would only get €30k per year

Thanks man 👌 makes more sense (but still nonsense for the player of nobody wants to pay that) than before 👍

[04Sauzee]

JET signs for Livi. :greengrin

Should we be worried. His YouTube real makes him look decent 😲

https://youtu.be/GJ66jfc-Qt0

[MyJo]

Thanks man 👌 makes more sense (but still nonsense for the player of nobody wants to pay that) than before 👍

I think it’s more a case of protecting the club in that a highly regarded player they invested a decent chunk of money in developing doesn’t just run down their contract an walk away for nothing.

If nobody wants to sign the player and pay the appropriate compensation to the developing clubs then the players only option would be to stay at that club until they are 24 and then move on a Bosman.

If the club are releasing the player (like we have done with Sterling) then the club would just forgo the training compensation they are due

[Brightside]

Should we be worried. His YouTube real makes him look decent 😲

https://youtu.be/GJ66jfc-Qt0

We almost signed him about 3 times in the past. He was decent a few years back.

[oneone73]

We almost signed him about 3 times in the past. He was decent a few years back.

The Stokes replacement, I guess

[Northernhibee]

JET signs for Livi. :greengrin

Defo would have when she was in Gladiators, not sure what she’s done since.

[LeithMike]

Thanks man [emoji108] makes more sense (but still nonsense for the player of nobody wants to pay that) than before [emoji106]I think the "selling club" have also got to offer the player a contract in order to be entitled to compensation which covers the situation where a player is released.

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[Heisenberg]

Jim Goodwin making it sound unlikely Magennis will be going anywhere.

http://bit.ly/2SdkgzD

[Sean1875]

Defo would have when she was in Gladiators, not sure what she’s done since.
Hosted a barn-dance at Yeovil Aerodrome last I heard.

[Jim44]

Jim Goodwin making it sound unlikely Magennis will be going anywhere.

http://bit.ly/2SdkgzD

Can’t argue with that. We move on.

[Stuart93]

Jim Goodwin making it sound unlikely Magennis will be going anywhere.

http://bit.ly/2SdkgzD

Oh well if they want to deny the lad the chance to play for a bigger and better club then on their head be it. We move on to another target.

[MyJo]

Jim Goodwin making it sound unlikely Magennis will be going anywhere.

http://bit.ly/2SdkgzD

Think we might look to get someone in on loan for this season and revisit Magennis next summer if that's the case

[Stuart93]

Think we might look to get someone in on loan for this season and revisit Magennis next summer if that's the case

Let’s revisit in January and sign him on a pre contract

[MrRobot]

Jim Goodwin making it sound unlikely Magennis will be going anywhere.

http://bit.ly/2SdkgzD

All i read from that is Hibs need to up their offer tbh.

Doesn’t meet the valuation and don’t need to sell says to me they would sell for the right price.

[The 90+2]

I think it’s more a case of protecting the club in that a highly regarded player they invested a decent chunk of money in developing doesn’t just run down their contract an walk away for nothing.

If nobody wants to sign the player and pay the appropriate compensation to the developing clubs then the players only option would be to stay at that club until they are 24 and then move on a Bosman.

If the club are releasing the player (like we have done with Sterling) then the club would just forgo the training compensation they are due

As much I think it’s not good for the player I agree with the sentiment and would be raging if we got done in a similar situation 👍

[LeithMike]

Oh well if they want to deny the lad the chance to play for a bigger and better club then on their head be it. We move on to another target.They are quite entitled to reject the bid if they dont want to accept it. That attitude is best left to the old firm or were we out of order denying SJM the chance to play for Celtic?

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[MWHIBBIES]

Oh well if they want to deny the lad the chance to play for a bigger and better club then on their head be it. We move on to another target.

That's Celtic patter that is. They are correctly serving themselves. As we did with Mcginn.

[Unseen work]

All i read from that is Hibs need to up their offer tbh.

Doesn’t meet the valuation and don’t need to sell says to me they would sell for the right price.


Im the same as you. It’s tempting for them but they’ve stood strong so far especially with spending money on his operation but as Goodwin says himself, he’s just back from a serious injury and only has a year left on his deal.

I can see us upping our offer and Magennis sharing his opinion that he wants the opportunity to speak to us and leave. It’s a risk for us spending money on him and just as big a risk for St Mirren rejecting that money in the current climate for a player that’s had a couple of bad injuries and is out of contract next year.

I can see him being a hibs player by Monday.

[J-C]

2 bids both rejected, sod them and move on to the next target.

[Brightside]

2 bids both rejected, sod them and move on to the next target.

twist.

[Since452]

St Mirren's prerogative to say no. No issue with it at all. If they feel Hibs bids don't match their valuation then tough luck us.

[neil7908]

St Mirren's prerogative to say no. No issue with it at all. If they feel Hibs bids don't match their valuation then tough luck us.

Agreed but why have they gone public? It wasn't in the press as far as I could see until St Mirren themselves commented.

Just feels like they are sticking him in the shop window.

[J-C]

Agreed but why have they gone public? It wasn't in the press as far as I could see until St Mirren themselves commented.

Just feels like they are sticking him in the shop window.

McCrorie all over again

[jacomo]

Jim Goodwin making it sound unlikely Magennis will be going anywhere.

http://bit.ly/2SdkgzD


He’s not played since January. Maybe this isn’t the right time to sign him? We could line something up for January instead.

[Hibiza]

Wouldn't it be nice to outbid the Sheep.

[WillowbraeHibby]

Agreed but why have they gone public? It wasn't in the press as far as I could see until St Mirren themselves commented.

Just feels like they are sticking him in the shop window.


After their statement was put out, I believed that was it done.. Why harp on about it? Thinking like yourself, shop window.

[davhibby]

All the stuff coming out of St Mirren at the moment looks to me as cover so that if we do get him they can say to the fans they tried to keep hold of him etc. If we really want him and he wants to come then these things usually happen

[Jim44]

Agreed but why have they gone public? It wasn't in the press as far as I could see until St Mirren themselves commented.

Just feels like they are sticking him in the shop window.


McCrorie all over again

McIness wasn’t slow to get in on the act by all accounts. If St Mirren are after as much cash as they can get, it looks like it could be a choice between Aberdeen’s bigger financial punch and us with possibly a more familiar environment for Magennis, player wise. Then again, St Mirren might be genuinely digging their heels in and refusing to sell at any cost. What I can’t understand, if the rumours are true, is, if they point blank won’t sell, why did they ‘invite’ a second and third bid from us. Would they not have shown us the door, full stop, after the first bid?

[BT58]

Hibs should 'let it slip to the press that they now have' other targets in mind. It may get the player to push for a move. It will be an interesting end to the transfer window, it shows that were still looking and hopefully JR will get at least 1 or 2 new faces to carry on the good work started so far
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[Shanksaidno]

McIness wasn’t slow to get in on the act by all accounts. If St Mirren are after as much cash as they can get, it looks like it could be a choice between Aberdeen’s bigger financial punch and us with possibly a more familiar environment for Magennis, player wise. Then again, St Mirren might be genuinely digging their heels in and refusing to sell at any cost. What I can’t understand, if the rumours are true, is, if they point blank won’t sell, why did they ‘invite’ a second and third bid from us. Would they not have shown us the door, full stop, after the first bid?


If he had been out injured and hasn't played for months why are we so keen just now??? Unlikely to be fit for the semi

[WhileTheChief..]

When did Halliday to Hearts happen? Surprised he ended up there.

[WillowbraeHibby]

If he had been out injured and hasn't played for months why are we so keen just now??? Unlikely to be fit for the semi

Probably a few of us had the same thoughts? :wink:

[JimBHibees]

When did Halliday to Hearts happen? Surprised he ended up there.

Confirmed a couple of days ago. Been chat of it for a while.

[mayo hibee]

I wonder if we are looking beyond the Scottish market to sort out our midfield issues, it's great signing players who know the league but only a limited number here are of the required standard for us to be honest - this lad would seem to tick most of the boxes in terms of what we are looking for, 21 years old, box to box midfielder, available for free and probably within our range in terms of wages.

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/classic-number-eight-whos-ready-league-one-after-aston-villa-release-lowdown-reported-blackpool-portsmouth-and-hull-city-target-2987731

[DetroitHibs]

I wonder if we are looking beyond the Scottish market to sort out our midfield issues, it's great signing players who know the league but only a limited number here are of the required standard for us to be honest - this lad would seem to tick most of the boxes in terms of what we are looking for, 21 years old, box to box midfielder, available for free and probably within our range in terms of wages.

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/classic-number-eight-whos-ready-league-one-after-aston-villa-release-lowdown-reported-blackpool-portsmouth-and-hull-city-target-2987731

I’d rather pay the extra for these young Scottish lads, than take a chance on us ending up with another Vela, or Ojo at Aberdeen.

[Since452]

Not surprised clubs are trying to squeeze more cash out of it. St Mirren will have gone public to try and tempt Aberdeen or an English club no doubts about it and quite right too. Relegation looks a probability for them this season

[Wilson]

If he had been out injured and hasn't played for months why are we so keen just now??? Unlikely to be fit for the semi

Building for the longer term?

[Aritch]

Hosted a barn-dance at Yeovil Aerodrome last I heard.

I sincerely hope it didn't turn into a rave.

[Dazzjw1875]

I was kinda hoping for 2 new players MF before window shuts, but i can see this going without anyone joining just hope it dont lead to panic loans, or failure to bring in anyone angers Jack as he seems to be annoyed at missing out on previous targets according to some

[mayo hibee]

I’d rather pay the extra for these young Scottish lads, than take a chance on us ending up with another Vela, or Ojo at Aberdeen.

Could end up with a David Gray or a Chris Doidge at the same time though, while someone like Magennis might not come back as the same player after injury and then you've spent a fee on him.

Just reading it I thought the lad Doyle-Hayes seems like a perfect fit for what we're after.

[King Cosell]

I sincerely hope it didn't turn into a rave.

Nah, it was properly policed.

[PatHead]

At Mirren are just trying to get as much as possible. They couldn't care where he ends up, they just want and are entitled to, as much as they can get.

I would expect us to do the same.

[Scouse Hibee]

Ross Barclay to Villa on season long loan.

[at last 61]

Just a feeling but I think we will sign 1 and another on loan]

[Souter96Mac]

Ross Barclay to Villa on season long loan.

Could mean Mcginn away? Which means money into Hibs..then we just buy the league?

[MWHIBBIES]

Could mean Mcginn away? Which means money into Hibs..then we just buy the league?

McGinn isn't going anywhere. Barkley is to replace Hourihane.

[hibsbollah]

Just listening to Laura Brannan from Motherwell on podcast, absolutely loving the Campbell chat 'future scotland captain/constructed a home gym during lockdown/first one to training in morning, last to leave at night/perfection/fighter/fearless/hungry/dedication/fittest in the squad, also articulate, engaging/intelligent/key to the entire team...


Either hes the new McGinn or someones trying to get a decent fee for the boy :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Just listening to Laura Brannan from Motherwell on podcast, absolutely loving the Campbell chat 'future scotland captain/constructed a home gym during lockdown/first one to training in morning, last to leave at night/perfection/fighter/fearless/hungry/dedication/fittest in the squad, also articulate, engaging/intelligent/key to the entire team...


Either hes the new McGinn or someones trying to get a decent fee for the boy :greengrin

Nice to see we're not the only ones who overrate our players :greengrin

[King Cosell]

Darnell Johnson to Wigan.

[chippy]

2 bids both rejected, sod them and move on to the next target.

Ali McCann at St Johnstone worth a try, a bit younger and no serious injuries afaik

[Ozyhibby]

I wonder if we are looking beyond the Scottish market to sort out our midfield issues, it's great signing players who know the league but only a limited number here are of the required standard for us to be honest - this lad would seem to tick most of the boxes in terms of what we are looking for, 21 years old, box to box midfielder, available for free and probably within our range in terms of wages.

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/classic-number-eight-whos-ready-league-one-after-aston-villa-release-lowdown-reported-blackpool-portsmouth-and-hull-city-target-2987731

English market is woefully over priced, as witnessed by our last couple of windows. This year we have had a much better window so far and even McCrorie’s form at Aberdeen has shown we are looking in the right places.


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[Wilson]

At Mirren are just trying to get as much as possible. They couldn't care where he ends up, they just want and are entitled to, as much as they can get.

I would expect us to do the same.

They are bottom of the league and not looking like winning. A decent player coming back could be the difference between relegation and survival. Retaining the player and survival might be worth more than the cash fee they'll get from us. I think that is all there is to it. Right player wrong time.

This deal is dead in the water I'd guess.

[Ozyhibby]

They are bottom of the league and not looking like winning. A decent player coming back could be the difference between relegation and survival. Retaining the player and survival might be worth more than the cash fee they'll get from us. I think that is all there is too it. Right player wrong time.

This deal is dead in the water I'd guess.

Will depend on the player himself to an extent as well. If he wants away then it usually happens.


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[04Sauzee]

5 days and 4hrs left

Edited 👀

[GordonHFC]

4 days and 4hrs left

For what?

[JimBHibees]

For what?

End of window

[GordonHFC]

Isnt it 5 days and 4 hours then?

[04Sauzee]

Isnt it 5 days and 4 hours then?

Yip was abiut to edit it 👀

[H18 SFR]

Ali McCann at St Johnstone worth a try, a bit younger and no serious injuries afaik

I honestly don’t think we’ve got room for worth a try players.

[RitchieHibs]

McGinn isn't going anywhere. Barkley is to replace Hourihane.

Not saying you're not right but the boy Hourihane nearly always impressed me every time I've watched Villa. Surprising to learn they might be letting him go. A decent player.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not saying you're not right but the boy Hourihane nearly always impressed me every time I've watched Villa. Surprising to learn they might be letting him go. A decent player.

Not letting him go, just for his place in the side. He takes a good free kick but overall, quite a limited player.

[BlackSheep]

Livi sign Jay Emmanuel-Thomas... his name used to crop up on here a lot IIRC.

[Brightside]

Nice to see we're not the only ones who overrate our players :greengrin

She’s not wrong. He’s been the real driving force in that Motherwell team, hence why I would be staggered if he came to Hibs. I expect him in the Scotland team next year and a future captain also. He is quality.

[mayo hibee]

English market is woefully over priced, as witnessed by our last couple of windows. This year we have had a much better window so far and even McCrorie’s form at Aberdeen has shown we are looking in the right places.


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Are the free transfers overpriced?! It would seem foolish to write off a huge market right on our doorstep just because Hecky signed a few duds from there.

[Jim44]

Just listening to Laura Brannan from Motherwell on podcast, absolutely loving the Campbell chat 'future scotland captain/constructed a home gym during lockdown/first one to training in morning, last to leave at night/perfection/fighter/fearless/hungry/dedication/fittest in the squad, also articulate, engaging/intelligent/key to the entire team...


Either hes the new McGinn or someones trying to get a decent fee for the boy :greengrin

How do Motherwell hold on to a player with a CV like that? Is he as good as his ‘reference’? Surely he’s heading for the stars or maybe just Celtic or Rangers.

[MWHIBBIES]

She’s not wrong. He’s been the real driving force in that Motherwell team, hence why I would be staggered if he came to Hibs. I expect him in the Scotland team next year and a future captain also. He is quality.

He'll be competing with John McGinn, Ryan Porteous, John Souttar and the other 20 players hyped as future Scotland captains, then.

[Jim44]

She’s not wrong. He’s been the real driving force in that Motherwell team, hence why I would be staggered if he came to Hibs. I expect him in the Scotland team next year and a future captain also. He is quality.

Well, if you would be staggered if he came to us, where do you see him in the next year or so? Presumably not at Motherwell. Why are the ugly sisters not sniffing around, or maybe they are? If so, he’s out of our league. That being the case, with Magennis out of the picture as well, our recruitment plans seem to be a bit awry. Does JR have other irons on the fire?

[JimBHibees]

She’s not wrong. He’s been the real driving force in that Motherwell team, hence why I would be staggered if he came to Hibs. I expect him in the Scotland team next year and a future captain also. He is quality.

Would be surprised if he gets anywhere near Scotland team given how strong we are in midfield.

[04Sauzee]

She’s not wrong. He’s been the real driving force in that Motherwell team, hence why I would be staggered if he came to Hibs. I expect him in the Scotland team next year and a future captain also. He is quality.

Lots of decent players in the Scottish midfield with Turnbull and Gilmour when he's fit maybe ahead of him. He's definitely a tallent.

[Ozyhibby]

Are the free transfers overpriced?! It would seem foolish to write off a huge market right on our doorstep just because Hecky signed a few duds from there.

The wages are higher as well. That may change now with the salary cap but England remains the most expensive market in the world for footballers.


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[Magpie]

Spurs finally getting a back up to Kane. Carlos Vinicius from Benfica on a year loan with an option to buy for €45m. Can’t say I’ve seen much of him but he was top goalscorer in the Portuguese league last season.

[CMurdoch]

Spurs finally getting a back up to Kane. Carlos Vinicius from Benfica on a year loan with an option to buy for €45m. Can’t say I’ve seen much of him but he was top goalscorer in the Portuguese league last season.

Spurs, EPL, £45 million you say ...........that's made me sleepy.
Time for bed.

[Brightside]

Goodwin basically saying pay us at least 150k if you want our man. Embarrassing way to do business.

[04Sauzee]

Sounds to me that if St Mirren had to seriously consider our bid, then whoever bids another £25k or so will allow the club to speak to the boy.

[Greenworld]

Goodwin basically saying pay us at least 150k if you want our man. Embarrassing way to do business.Not Embarrassing at all i like a straight forward deal. " this is what we want " its an ok or no thanks too much.
For what its worth 200k would be nearer the mark i would think.

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[blackpoolhibs]

Goodwin basically saying pay us at least 150k if you want our man. Embarrassing way to do business.

Not sure what it is that's embarrassing about this, they value him at one price, we value him at another?:confused:

[andrew70]

Goodwin basically saying pay us at least 150k if you want our man. Embarrassing way to do business.

Where you seeing that?

[Stuart93]

Goodwin basically saying pay us at least 150k if you want our man. Embarrassing way to do business.

I reckon if we want him we pay it.

[bigwheel]

Not sure what it is that's embarrassing about this, they value him at one price, we value him at another?:confused:


tbh, having read the article - I don't think he is saying give us 150k. In fact, I read it as the exact opposite..Think Goodwin is saying "we've been offered around the 150k mark, but its little use to me I want him to stay, and expect him to do so...." It might be as much a message to his board as us tbh - seems fairly clear and direct.

[SHODAN]

I reckon if we want him we pay it.

Same. None of this pissing about, make the offer they want.

[Jim44]

I reckon if we want him we pay it.

Did I not read somewhere that we had met their valuation but that they still rejected it?

[blackpoolhibs]

tbh, having read the article - I don't think he is saying give us 150k. In fact, I read it as the exact opposite..Think Goodwin is saying "we've been offered around the 150k mark, but its little use to me I want him to stay, and expect him to do so...." It might be as much a message to his board as us tbh - seems fairly clear and direct.

:agree: Looks like they have been offered £150k, but value him at more.

Cant see anything wrong in that?

[Greenworld]

I wonder if we are looking beyond the Scottish market to sort out our midfield issues, it's great signing players who know the league but only a limited number here are of the required standard for us to be honest - this lad would seem to tick most of the boxes in terms of what we are looking for, 21 years old, box to box midfielder, available for free and probably within our range in terms of wages.

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/classic-number-eight-whos-ready-league-one-after-aston-villa-release-lowdown-reported-blackpool-portsmouth-and-hull-city-target-2987731 Certainly looks interesting there must be loads like him down there to be fair

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[jeffers]

Did I not read somewhere that we had met their valuation but that they still rejected it?

It was on the pm board. Also said we then went back with a further offer which surprised me tbh.

[Greenworld]

:agree: Looks like they have been offered £150k, but value him at more.

Cant see anything wrong in that?Snap there is a risk element with his injury however i like the type of player hibs are looking at.

Lets bang in 200k plus 15% sell on

For campbell lets bang in 400k 20% sell on .

These are the types that will move us up a level.

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[Greenworld]

It was on the pm board. Also said we then went back with a further offer which surprised me tbh.Would surprise me to, it makes no sense , perhaps the person who said it is confused.

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[Jim44]

Snap there is a risk element with his injury however i like the type of player hibs are looking at.

Lets bang in 200k plus 15% sell on

For campbell lets bang in 400k 20% sell on .

These are the types that will move us up a level.

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Yes please. That would give that buffoon, English, a fit of apoplexy. :cb

[Brightside]

Not sure what it is that's embarrassing about this, they value him at one price, we value him at another?:confused:

You dont do it in the press. The only reason to put it in the press is to drive the price up. The negotiation on a player is between the two clubs - no one else.

[Brightside]

You dont do it in the press. The only reason to put it in the press is to drive the price up. The negotiation on a player is between the two clubs - no one else.

Oh and we havent offered 150k. But dont tell anyone.

[Since90+2]

Snap there is a risk element with his injury however i like the type of player hibs are looking at.

Lets bang in 200k plus 15% sell on

For campbell lets bang in 400k 20% sell on .

These are the types that will move us up a level.

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If only it was that simple im sure we would.

Let's not forget that due to no fans at the semi final the club are already losing out on about £500k plus everything else they've had to contend with like no hospitality, no walks up ect.

[CockneyRebel]

You dont do it in the press. The only reason to put it in the press is to drive the price up. The negotiation on a player is between the two clubs - no one else.


.......and the player .......and his agent.

[Brightside]

[/B].......and the player .......and his agent.

only once the clubs agree. :wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

You dont do it in the press. The only reason to put it in the press is to drive the price up. The negotiation on a player is between the two clubs - no one else.


Oh and we havent offered 150k. But dont tell anyone.

Managers do it all the time, maybe it's Aberdeen that have offered £150k, or maybe that is the figure they'd start listening at?

[Jim44]

Oh and we havent offered 150k. But dont tell anyone.

I had a strong suspicion we hadn’t bid that much.

[Greenworld]

If only it was that simple im sure we would.

Let's not forget that due to no fans at the semi final the club are already losing out on about £500k plus everything else they've had to contend with like no hospitality, no walks up ect.If the club wanted to do it i believe they have the finance to do so as it stands.
Also if it helped us finish say 4th it would generate a further 400k for the club on prize money compared to last season.

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[Lago]

Oh and we havent offered 150k. But dont tell anyone.
Nor should we for a player returning from a very serious injury.

[The Modfather]

If we don’t sign anyone else do we have enough to last the pace and challenge Aberdeen for 3rd? As it stands I can’t see us finishing lower than 4th but think we would eventually fall short of Aberdeen and 3rd.

[Stevie Reid]

If we don’t sign anyone else do we have enough to last the pace and challenge Aberdeen for 3rd? As it stands I can’t see us finishing lower than 4th but think we would eventually fall short of Aberdeen and 3rd.

The fact that Aberdeen are performing so well without their top scorer for the last few years is fairly ominous. Their squad is very good in terms of numbers and quality.

We are a couple short of a serious push for third IMO. But 4th would do me fine this season, if we continue to perform to the standards that we have thus far.

I do think we will get more quality in this window though.

[Silky]

Same. None of this pissing about, make the offer they want.

Why? It's about negotiation. We hardly get the offer we want for players. If we done that for all our targets, we'd be skint! "Oh, you want £500k for him? We value him at £250k, but nae bother take the £500K".

That's silly imo.

[Since90+2]

If the club wanted to do it i believe they have the finance to do so as it stands.
Also if it helped us finish say 4th it would generate a further 400k for the club on prize money compared to last season.

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Nobody knows the true state of the clubs finances currently apart from those in the boardroom at Easter Road.

[mal]

The fact that Aberdeen are performing so well without their top scorer for the last few years is fairly ominous. Their squad is very good in terms of numbers and quality.

They do look to have strength in depth. They've been struggling to score goals though (8 goals in 7 games). They've still to face Celtic this quarter and they've just lost McKenna so it will be interesting to see how they adjust for that. They were very lucky not to lose any players for any games after their Covid breach while clubs whose players didn't break the rules have seen players miss out due to false positives, so they've had that going for them too.

[MrSmith]

I hope we don't spend £500k.

I don't know a thing about the finances at ER but what ever 4th place may make it won't be enough to offset any transfer fee plus income generated by a full stadium including merchandise and food.

[The Modfather]

I hope we don't spend £500k.

I don't know a thing about the finances at ER but what ever 4th place may make it won't be enough to offset any transfer fee plus income generated by a full stadium including merchandise and food.

It’s a fair point. However if it’s spent on someone like Campbell, who usually wouldn’t be obtainable, it might mean we have less to do in future windows and one of the last pieces of the spine to the team needed that will serve us for a good few seasons.

[Stevie Reid]

They do look to have strength in depth. They've been struggling to score goals though (8 goals in 7 games). They've still to face Celtic this quarter and they've just lost McKenna so it will be interesting to see how they adjust for that. They were very lucky not to lose any players for any games after their Covid breach while clubs whose players didn't break the rules have seen players miss out due to false positives, so they've had that going for them too.

Agreed.

[CapitalGreen]

I hope we don't spend £500k.

I don't know a thing about the finances at ER but what ever 4th place may make it won't be enough to offset any transfer fee plus income generated by a full stadium including merchandise and food.

What about if it helps achieve consecutive top 4 finishes and then we sell on for a fee in excess of £500k in the future?

[Since90+2]

What about if it helps achieve consecutive top 4 finishes and then we sell on for a fee in excess of £500k in the future?

And if it doesn't? As fans we will always look at it that way but the reality is the people at the club need to take a more pragmatic approach.

£500k plus big wages for 3 years or so is a massive outlay to a club like Hibs in the current climate. I certainly won't be blaming them if this doesn't happen.

[CapitalGreen]

And if it doesn't? As fans we will always look at it that way but the reality is the people at the club need to take a more pragmatic approach.

£500k plus big wages for 3 years or so is a massive outlay to a club like Hibs in the current climate. I certainly won't be blaming them if this doesn't happen.

I’m not suggesting we should be bidding £500k, I’m just saying that the club will be taking a lot more into account than where we will finish this season when making their decision. Spending that sort of money would be an investment in the long term success of the club not simply just to achieve league position in the short term.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

And if it doesn't? As fans we will always look at it that way but the reality is the people at the club need to take a more pragmatic approach.

£500k plus big wages for 3 years or so is a massive outlay to a club like Hibs in the current climate. I certainly won't be blaming them if this doesn't happen.

So if we stick with average players we can’t complain about average performances or league placing. Plus it goes against what Ron has stated as his vision for the club.

We’re not owned by STF/Petrie anymore.

[Greenworld]

Nobody knows the true state of the clubs finances currently apart from those in the boardroom at Easter Road.Correct and they told us there was substantial cash reserves. They took action to cull staff to rebalance
the budget. Thats why we bought from Dunfermline for over 200k why we tried to buy from rangers for 350k . Ron knows now is the time to try and kick on we are in much better shape financially than many others.

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[Since90+2]

So if we stick with average players we can’t complain about average performances or league placing. Plus it goes against what Ron has stated as his vision for the club.

We’re not owned by STF/Petrie anymore.

The club are not in normal times. They have no idea when fans will be allowed back into stadiums and when they will be able to recover all the additional revenue that brings.

You can't judge what has went on before to now as the situations are completely unparalleled.

[Duke of Currie]

Correct and they told us there was substantial cash reserves. They took action to cull staff to rebalance
the budget. Thats why we bought from Dunfermline for over 200k why we tried to buy from rangers for 350k . Ron knows now is the time to try and kick on we are in much better shape financially than many others.

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Out of curiosity , how many non playing staff were culled

[Just_Jimmy]

speaking to a Well fan last night who reckons if we really want Campbell we'd get him and he'd come. reckons they should do what we did with McGinn and settle of a solid nominal fee and a bigger sell on.

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[Greenworld]

Out of curiosity , how many non playing staff were culledNo idea of the numbers in total

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[Ronniekirk]

If we don’t sign anyone else do we have enough to last the pace and challenge Aberdeen for 3rd? As it stands I can’t see us finishing lower than 4th but think we would eventually fall short of Aberdeen and 3rd.

They are churning out results but they usually have a slump or two
But once their injured players are back Thier squad as things stand has more depth than ours


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[MrSmith]

So if we stick with average players we can’t complain about average performances or league placing. Plus it goes against what Ron has stated as his vision for the club.

We’re not owned by STF/Petrie anymore.

We are in uncharted waters at the moment so, given COVID and lack of any fans attending games in near future - might even be 2022 before we get back in - I’d rather accept average performance to ensure we come out the other side intact and ready to challenge.

[calumhibee1]

speaking to a Well fan last night who reckons if we really want Campbell we'd get him and he'd come. reckons they should do what we did with McGinn and settle of a solid nominal fee and a bigger sell on.

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Would make sense for the smaller teams in the league. 30% or so sell on could see them bagging £1m+ if the player does really well. The kind of fee they could never dream of getting themselves for Campbell in the last year of his deal.

[ancient hibee]

Correct and they told us there was substantial cash reserves. They took action to cull staff to rebalance
the budget. Thats why we bought from Dunfermline for over 200k why we tried to buy from rangers for 350k . Ron knows now is the time to try and kick on we are in much better shape financially than many others.

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Substantial cash reserves? Who said that?

[jacomo]

The club are not in normal times. They have no idea when fans will be allowed back into stadiums and when they will be able to recover all the additional revenue that brings.

You can't judge what has went on before to now as the situations are completely unparalleled.


Very true.

I read yesterday that the top European leagues had spent £2.5bn on transfer fees this summer. That’s actually disgusting when so many clubs are facing financial ruin, not to mention the wider context.

FIFA and UEFA should have shown leadership and brought in some kind of transfer cap - or better, a transfer ‘tax’ - to pay into a solidarity fund.

Hibs have to invest in the squad, I totally get that argument, but the world has changed.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Substantial cash reserves? Who said that?

I think it was a misinterpretation of the cash we had on hand when the accounts were published, some think it was cash for the season ahead but others seen it as a cash reserve. I think and I maybe wrong that this was cash to fund the season and not a cash reserve to be used on a rainy day.

[ancient hibee]

I think it was a misinterpretation of the cash we had on hand when the accounts were published, some think it was cash for the season ahead but others seen it as a cash reserve. I think and I maybe wrong that this was cash to fund the season and not a cash reserve to be used on a rainy day.

Spot on. A large chunk of it would have been spent by the time the accounts were published.

[Dazzjw1875]

Apparently on twitter 4th bid now rejected?

[Brightside]

Apparently on twitter 4th bid now rejected?

There hasnt even been a third. Ignore that Twitter account HibernianFans.

[Greenworld]

Substantial cash reserves? Who said that?Ron said it ...i take it as just that as this was to be used partly to fund refurbishment of easter road inc hospitality suites and Tv etc.
Ron mentioned during the cuts that he did not want to waste these funds during the covid shutdown so i assume a fair check is still there.
I don't think this part of the normal running budget

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[hibbysam]

We are in uncharted waters at the moment so, given COVID and lack of any fans attending games in near future - might even be 2022 before we get back in - I’d rather accept average performance to ensure we come out the other side intact and ready to challenge.

I would bet my last penny that it won’t be anywhere near 2022 when we get back into football. If it is then 1. The Government have made an even bigger pigs ear of this, and 2. We won’t have a football team to watch regardless of what dross we bring in. There also wouldn’t be a professional football league in Scotland.

[Heisenberg]

Ross says he wants one signing before the window closes. Must be all in for a new midfielder now then.

[B.H.F.C]

Ross says he wants one signing before the window closes. Must be all in for a new midfielder now then.

If it’s a proper first pick, straight in to the team type of midfielder then I could live with that being all we get.

I still think we’re a wee bit short if anything happens at centre half or up front, but got to be realistic about he current situation. Also, it’ll only be 12 weeks from the window closing to reopening again.

[JimBHibees]

Ross says he wants one signing before the window closes. Must be all in for a new midfielder now then.

Think we will bring in 2 or 3 by Monday.

[SHODAN]

Ross says he wants one signing before the window closes. Must be all in for a new midfielder now then.

A midfielder is definitely required, and if we get one in then the first XI is fine; however, I can't help but feel we don't have much in the way of backup.

[04Sauzee]

Ross says he wants one signing before the window closes. Must be all in for a new midfielder now then.

I was hoping for more than 1 tbh

[Unseen work]

Says he wants 1 but gets 2 = Success
Says he wants 2 but gets 1 = Failure

We will be going for more than 1 player but he won’t want to give away too much as it will be twisted into us not getting targets again etc etc.

Midfielders that’s has drive and is box to box (Magennis) to come in.

Strikers to compete/backup for Doidge and Nisbet - Either of those 2 get injured and we’re seriously light. I’m all for giving Gullan and Shanley a chance but if we can get in better than them/they’re not ready then we need to do so.

Look at Aberdeen’s depth of squad and that is and will be the main difference.

[Bobby Moore]

As I understand it , Magennis underwent surgery in January and has thus far has had some limited time in a couple of bounce games as part of his recovery.

A good player and leadership material on the park certainly, but would the lad be ready for first team SPL action in the near future which is what we need?

Was looking through the first team squad and we are very short in central defence should injuries and suspensions kick in. No doubt Gogic and McGinn could fill in but the their positions would then need to be filled and the squad would then be very thin.

[04Sauzee]

Heard it before but...

Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes is predicting there will be no more movement in or out of Pittodrie before Monday’s transfer deadline.

[Souter96Mac]

Heard it before but...

Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes is predicting there will be no more movement in or out of Pittodrie before Monday’s transfer deadline.

Will be the same tactic that Unseen Work has said about Ross. If he says that and they sign a player, it'll be great business done by McInnes.

[HendoDelivered]

Says he wants 1 but gets 2 = Success
Says he wants 2 but gets 1 = Failure

We will be going for more than 1 player but he won’t want to give away too much as it will be twisted into us not getting targets again etc etc.

Midfielders that’s has drive and is box to box (Magennis) to come in.

Strikers to compete/backup for Doidge and Nisbet - Either of those 2 get injured and we’re seriously light. I’m all for giving Gullan and Shanley a chance but if we can get in better than them/they’re not ready then we need to do so.

Look at Aberdeen’s depth of squad and that is and will be the main difference.

:agree:

[ancient hibee]

Ron said it ...i take it as just that as this was to be used partly to fund refurbishment of easter road inc hospitality suites and Tv etc.
Ron mentioned during the cuts that he did not want to waste these funds during the covid shutdown so i assume a fair check is still there.
I don't think this part of the normal running budget

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Thank you

[Heisenberg]

I assume they’ve just lifted this name from here?

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-hibernian-in-10-club-chase-with-stoke-city-qpr-to-sign-midfielder/

[Currie Hibee]

I’ve seen on social media that it appears that Hallberg is back home in Sweden. Anyone know the score, is he injured?

[Willis1875]

I’ve seen on social media that it appears that Hallberg is back home in Sweden. Anyone know the score, is he injured?

I don't think he is, the photo he shared on Instagram this morning is a photo that was originally posted back in may.
Assuming that is where the connection has come from

[Carheenlea]

Substantial cash reserves? Who said that?

In Ron Gordon`s interview on Sportsound a few days back, he was asked if he has had to `prop the club up` with his own funds during the pandemic, but he said he had not as of yet but if he had to he will, and the club have had to streamline the budget and make savings whilst trying to remain competitive as a football club. He then added that he had set up a "facility" that was there for the club to use if they at any time needed it.
No mention of how substantial this facility actually is, but it was set up as part of the agreement when purchasing the club.

[Souter96Mac]

I assume they’ve just lifted this name from here?

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-hibernian-in-10-club-chase-with-stoke-city-qpr-to-sign-midfielder/

Not sure if I've seen his name yet, but I might have missed it on this thread.

[Since90+2]

In Ron Gordon`s interview on Sportsound a few days back, he was asked if he has had to `prop the club up` with his own funds during the pandemic, but he said he had not as of yet but if he had to he will, and the club have had to streamline the budget and make savings whilst trying to remain competitive as a football club. He then added that he had set up a "facility" that was there for the club to use if they at any time needed it.
No mention of how substantial this facility actually is, but it was set up as part of the agreement when purchasing the club.

Would a facility not refer to access to a loan/overdraft rather than cash reserves that the club has?

[CentreLine]

In Ron Gordon`s interview on Sportsound a few days back, he was asked if he has had to `prop the club up` with his own funds during the pandemic, but he said he had not as of yet but if he had to he will, and the club have had to streamline the budget and make savings whilst trying to remain competitive as a football club. He then added that he had set up a "facility" that was there for the club to use if they at any time needed it.
No mention of how substantial this facility actually is, but it was set up as part of the agreement when purchasing the club.

I would expect the “facility“ Would be monies borrowed against the club fixed assets. Personally I don’t see that as sinister as it is the same facility prescribed by STF and I am sure Ron already made reference to it in a previous interview but would much prefer we did not go down that route.

[Lago]

I was hoping for more than 1 tbh
Clock is certainly ticking now.

[Stuart93]

I assume they’ve just lifted this name from here?

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-hibernian-in-10-club-chase-with-stoke-city-qpr-to-sign-midfielder/

I canny say I’ve seen the boys name on here, could be wrong though

[ahibby]

Says he wants 1 but gets 2 = Success
Says he wants 2 but gets 1 = Failure

We will be going for more than 1 player but he won’t want to give away too much as it will be twisted into us not getting targets again etc etc.

Midfielders that’s has drive and is box to box (Magennis) to come in.

Strikers to compete/backup for Doidge and Nisbet - Either of those 2 get injured and we’re seriously light. I’m all for giving Gullan and Shanley a chance but if we can get in better than them/they’re not ready then we need to do so.

Look at Aberdeen’s depth of squad and that is and will be the main difference.Shanley will be class

[Alex Trager]

I assume they’ve just lifted this name from here?

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-hibernian-in-10-club-chase-with-stoke-city-qpr-to-sign-midfielder/

This guy any good?

[Unseen work]

That player was 100% mentioned on here over the last couple of days. Think it was more of a suggestion of someone we should he looking at and fits the mould we seem to be targeting.

[cameronw-hfc]

This guy any good?


Was really highly-rated at Villa but injury and the club being in turmoil between 18-20 for him made it borderline impossible. Only other players we have brought through has been Davis, and he was signed on from lower leagues. Hard working player with rare ability to play the game on the turn. Not sure how he'll do in men's football, although pretty slick player in the ressys and youth teams

[calumhibee1]

Rhian Brewster away to Sheffield United for £23.5m. They’ve spent nearly £50m on Brewster and McBurnie. Do English teams never stop and think about how much they spend on dross?

£50m could have got you Edouard and Morelos, both infinitely better players and left you a good chunk spare.

[Since90+2]

Rhian Brewster away to Sheffield United for £23.5m. They’ve spent nearly £50m on Brewster and McBurnie. Do English teams never stop and think about how much they spend on dross?

£50m could have got you Edouard and Morelos, both infinitely better players and left you a good chunk spare.

Still can't believe they paid what they did for McBurnie. He's *****.

[calumhibee1]

Rhian Brewster away to Sheffield United for £23.5m. They’ve spent nearly £50m on Brewster and McBurnie. Do English teams never stop and think about how much they spend on dross?

£50m could have got you Edouard and Morelos, both infinitely better players and left you a good chunk spare.

[Latapy'sVolley]

This guy any good?

Pal is a Cheltenham STH where he played on loan last season. Says he's like Ward-Prowse, gets on the ball and dictates tempo.

[easty]

Rhian Brewster away to Sheffield United for £23.5m. They’ve spent nearly £50m on Brewster and McBurnie. Do English teams never stop and think about how much they spend on dross?

£50m could have got you Edouard and Morelos, both infinitely better players and left you a good chunk spare.

They paid £15m for Burke too!

[MWHIBBIES]

Rhian Brewster away to Sheffield United for £23.5m. They’ve spent nearly £50m on Brewster and McBurnie. Do English teams never stop and think about how much they spend on dross?

£50m could have got you Edouard and Morelos, both infinitely better players and left you a good chunk spare.

Brewster is a 20 year old kid who had a really good loan at Swansea last season. How is he dross? Liverpool have a buy back and many installments in the deal, so they obviously rate him as well.

Sheffield United finished 9th in their first season up last year. I think they know what they're doing tbh.

Edouard isn't leaving Celtic for Sheffield United when clubs like Arsenal have been linked IMO.

[calumhibee1]

Brewster is a 20 year old kid who had a really good loan at Swansea last season. How is he dross? Liverpool have a buy back and many installments in the deal, so they obviously rate him as well.

Sheffield United finished 9th in their first season up last year. I think they know what they're doing tbh.

Edouard isn't leaving Celtic for Sheffield United when clubs like Arsenal have been linked IMO.

He’s dross because I’ve watched him numerous times and thought he’s looked absolutely pish. Oli McBurnie done better at Swansea than what Brewster done and he’s even worse than dross.

[calumhibee1]

They paid £15m for Burke too!

Jesus, didn’t realise that. God knows what the logic is behind that one.

They’ve looked poor so far this season but with signings like that I reckon they’ll be going down.

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s dross because I’ve watched him numerous times and thought he’s looked absolutely pish. Oli McBurnie done better at Swansea than what Brewster done and he’s even worse than dross.

Brewster has a better goal average at Swansea than McBurnie does, though.

Neither is quite worth the money paid, but they are both young and could improve. McBurnie got 6 goals last season for SU, its not really that bad considering he wasn't always starting and they are quite a defensive team.

Brewster especially is far from dross IMO. He is only 20 years old. Extremely harsh to be calling him dross.

[Dalianwanda]

Jesus, didn’t realise that. God knows what the logic is behind that one.

They’ve looked poor so far this season but with signings like that I reckon they’ll be going down.

Over £40 mill spent on transfer fees for him in a pretty short space of time, crazy......Hopefully for Scotlands sake he starts to justify it.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Rhian Brewster away to Sheffield United for £23.5m. They’ve spent nearly £50m on Brewster and McBurnie. Do English teams never stop and think about how much they spend on dross?

£50m could have got you Edouard and Morelos, both infinitely better players and left you a good chunk spare.

Neither of which would go anywhere near Sheffield.

You can only sign the players willing to come.

[Tyler Durden]

Rhian Brewster is much better than Morelos IMO. Think he’ll do well for Sheff Utd.

[heretoday]

He’s dross because I’ve watched him numerous times and thought he’s looked absolutely pish. Oli McBurnie done better at Swansea than what Brewster done and he’s even worse than dross.

Worse than dross? God, he must be absolutely terrible!

[calumhibee1]

Neither of which would go anywhere near Sheffield.

You can only sign the players willing to come.

I think Morelos would but fair point when it comes to Edouard. Point still stands though, they’ve had their pants pulled down with the money they’ve spent on Brewster, McBurnie and Burke imo.

[Since90+2]

Neither of which would go anywhere near Sheffield.

You can only sign the players willing to come.

If Morelos had the chance to play in the English Premier League for Sheffield United probably earning about £50k/£60k a week he'd be there in a flash.

[Brightside]

Pal is a Cheltenham STH where he played on loan last season. Says he's like Ward-Prowse, gets on the ball and dictates tempo.

Just spoke to my Cheltenham contact. "Excellent player, dynamic, would do well in the Scottish league"

[Sean1875]

Over £40 mill spent on transfer fees for him in a pretty short space of time, crazy......Hopefully for Scotlands sake he starts to justify it.

Unless im missing someone bleeding obvious, would that not make Oli Burke the most expensive Scottish player ever when looking at total transfer fees paid? Scary scary fact if true.

[Lago]

I think Morelos would but fair point when it comes to Edouard. Point still stands though, they’ve had their pants pulled down with the money they’ve spent on Brewster, McBurnie and Burke imo.
Only time will tell.

[calumhibee1]

Unless im missing someone bleeding obvious, would that not make Oli Burke the most expensive Scottish player ever when looking at total transfer fees paid? Scary scary fact if true.

Yup, think so. He might have already been the most expensive Scottish player ever before this move.

[Stuart93]

Just spoke to my Cheltenham contact. "Excellent player, dynamic, would do well in the Scottish league"

With the greatest respect to your contact we’ve heard the “would do well in the Scottish league” line before haha

[HendoDelivered]

He’s dross because I’ve watched him numerous times and thought he’s looked absolutely pish. Oli McBurnie done better at Swansea than what Brewster done and he’s even worse than dross.

😂😂😂 Brewster is defo not dross.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I think Morelos would but fair point when it comes to Edouard. Point still stands though, they’ve had their pants pulled down with the money they’ve spent on Brewster, McBurnie and Burke imo.

I guess the time to make a judgement on that will be at the end of the season

[JimBHibees]

Just spoke to my Cheltenham contact. "Excellent player, dynamic, would do well in the Scottish league"

Who is this in reference to?

[04Sauzee]

Scott Burns

Hibs make breakthrough in their midfield search. 👀 @Record_Sport

[Vault Boy]

Scott Burns

Hibs make breakthrough in their midfield search. 👀 @Record_Sport

Ahhhhhh

[hibee-boys]

Unless im missing someone bleeding obvious, would that not make Oli Burke the most expensive Scottish player ever when looking at total transfer fees paid? Scary scary fact if true.

Am I wearing green tinted specs when I say that I'd not have him in our team ahead of Boyle, Doidge or Nisbet? £15 million is ludicrous, 10 Martin Boyles🙈

[Vault Boy]

Magennis signing after a third bid accepted, according to the DR.

[Dazzjw1875]

KM having medical just now at hibs after deal agreed between clubs. Source DR and Scott burns on twitter.

[HendoDelivered]

Nice one! Dont know much about him but I trust JR and the recruitment so far has been spot on.

[SHODAN]

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