Summer 2020-21 transfer thread

[MWHIBBIES]

Super Leigh Griffiths?

He’s fallen out with Lennon and surely working his ticket back to the mighty Hibees.

He has never shown any interest in coming back here. He certainly wouldn't be jeapordising his mad wages to come here for a fifth of it at best.

[Ozyhibby]

Nisbet's no a midget
He wears a giant hat
It makes him even taller
Improves his vital stats
He tried to leave his house
But he was out of luck
To make it through the doorway
He'll need to f***ing duck

What's this thread about? :confused:

Midget or not, sounds like he’s off the mark in front of goal today.[emoji106]


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[04Sauzee]

Seen this on the Pie & Bovril twitter

Premiership New Signings
21/07

Livingston - 6
Motherwell - 6
Ross County - 5
St.Mirren - 5
Kilmarnock - 4
Rangers - 4
Hamilton - 3
Hibs - 3
St.Johnstone - 3
Aberdeen - 1
Celtic - 1
Dundee Utd - 1

Includes loans and extensions.

Source; @Nareystoepoker
https://t.co/uTpIeUQdiY

[JohnMcM]

Nisbet's no a midget
He wears a giant hat
It makes him even taller
Improves his vital stats
He tried to leave his house
But he was out of luck
To make it through the doorway
He'll need to f***ing duck

What's this thread about? :confused:

Have I just been chastised and sent to the naughty step?

[nonshinyfinish]

Have I just been chastised and sent to the naughty step?

It was mostly aimed at myself tbh.

[JohnMcM]

It was mostly aimed at myself tbh.

No worries :greengrin I wasn't having a go at you, just being silly.:thumbsup:

[Speedway]

Seen this on the Pie & Bovril twitter

Premiership New Signings
21/07

Livingston - 6
Motherwell - 6
Ross County - 5
St.Mirren - 5
Kilmarnock - 4
Rangers - 4
Hamilton - 3
Hibs - 3
St.Johnstone - 3
Aberdeen - 1
Celtic - 1
Dundee Utd - 1

Includes loans and extensions.

Source; @Nareystoepoker
https://t.co/uTpIeUQdiY

Where’s Hearts?

[Speedway]

I genuinely can't remember that!

Match day threads were a hoot.

[Hibernian Verse]

Where’s Hearts?

They got demoted by the corrupt clubs of the SPFL.

[JammyDoidger]

:scarf:

[Since452]

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Interesting that Hibs also posted Simon Murray's derby goal on their official Instagram account the other day 👀

[Lago]

Super Leigh Griffiths?

He’s fallen out with Lennon and surely working his ticket back to the mighty Hibees.
Today's Garry O'connor

[SHODAN]

In: Harvie, O'Donnell, Docherty, Murray
Out: Kamberi, James

And then done?

[J-C]

In: Harvie, O'Donnell, Docherty, Murray
Out: Kamberi, James

And then done?


So we'll have 4 LB's and 3 RB's, well balanced squad then.

[jacomo]

Seen this on the Pie & Bovril twitter

Premiership New Signings
21/07

Livingston - 6
Motherwell - 6
Ross County - 5
St.Mirren - 5
Kilmarnock - 4
Rangers - 4
Hamilton - 3
Hibs - 3
St.Johnstone - 3
Aberdeen - 1
Celtic - 1
Dundee Utd - 1

Includes loans and extensions.

Source; @Nareystoepoker
https://t.co/uTpIeUQdiY


Bottom 6? I demand a STATEMENT.

[jacomo]

Today's Garry O'connor


Except that he not only got a lucrative contract but got a lucrative extension too.

He’s clearly pining for Easter Road. Celtc should do the honourable thing and loan him to us for the season while still picking up most of his wages.

[Nicho87]

Except that he not only got a lucrative contract but got a lucrative extension too.

He’s clearly pining for Easter Road. Celtc should do the honourable thing and loan him to us for the season while still picking up most of his wages.

Celtic and honourable in the same sentence

[04Sauzee]

Bristol Rovers set to sign ex-Hearts winger Sam Nicholson in the next 24 hours | By @BarryAnderson_
https://t.co/DIcpurIk3G

Many ITK jambos had him signed for Hearts last week, remember if Hearts come calling you don't say no 😅

[Ozyhibby]

Nisbet is no midget [emoji6]

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Think you might be right.[emoji3]


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[Since452]

Bristol Rovers set to sign ex-Hearts winger Sam Nicholson in the next 24 hours | By @BarryAnderson_
https://t.co/DIcpurIk3G

Many ITK jambos had him signed for Hearts last week, remember if Hearts come calling you don't say no 😅

Bet that fountain of inside information Bazajambo said it was a done deal to them

[04Sauzee]

From twitter
Think there is also talk of being able to loan 2 players from a top flight teams

SPFL announces clubs can - for the new season - sign a maximum of six players on loan (previously was four players max on loan)

[SHODAN]

I have a feeling Boyle is going nowhere.

[04Sauzee]

Bet that fountain of inside information Bazajambo said it was a done deal to them

Dazjambo started the Hearts transfer thread with this beauty on the 3rd of July

Aaron Hickey will almost certainly join Manchester City in a permanent deal this window, with the option of loaning back for upto 18 months. The payment from Man City will be in installments and will include a 31% sell on clause to Hearts. Hearts will not pay any percent of his wage if he does return on loan. A left winger is also being looked at on loan from City.



Colin Doyle to leave soon.



Interest in John Souttar from Aston Villa, John McGinn has suggested that he is considered.



Michael Smith is in the thoughts of several english championship sides, aswell as Rangers.



Sam Nicholson desperate to come back to Hearts but has interest from Bristol City & Aberdeen.



Robbie has earmarked 6 current players he would like to move on, and is in discussion regarding a player from dunfermline and a loan signing from Arsenal.



3 ex players are currently out of contract and have offered to come back for little or no wages until January.



Keen on a central midfielder who is at Motherwell

[Springbank]

Dazjambo started the Hearts transfer thread with this beauty on the 3rd of July

Aaron Hickey will almost certainly join Manchester City in a permanent deal



Sam Nicholson desperate to come back to Hearts but has interest from Bristol City & Aberdeen.



Bristol Rovers not Bristol City, eh?

That's a bit like someone saying "expected to sign for Hibs" then seeing them end up languishing at Hearts tbf

[04Sauzee]

Alan Nixon

Kilmarnock. Hope to bring back keeper Daniel Bachmann from Watford again. First loan worked. Second didn’t get agreed. Third time should be lucky.

[Bostonhibby]

Bristol Rovers not Bristol City, eh?

That's a bit like someone saying "expected to sign for Hibs" then seeing them end up languishing at Hearts tbfMakes sense though because Bristol Rovers are bigger and more famous than Hearts so you can see why Nicholson wouldn't fancy a backward step to a Scottish Championship side.

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[PatHead]

Seen this on the Pie & Bovril twitter

Premiership New Signings
21/07

Livingston - 6
Motherwell - 6
Ross County - 5
St.Mirren - 5
Kilmarnock - 4
Rangers - 4
Hamilton - 3
Hibs - 3
St.Johnstone - 3
Aberdeen - 1
Celtic - 1
Dundee Utd - 1

Includes loans and extensions.

Source; @Nareystoepoker
https://t.co/uTpIeUQdiY

Would be interesting to see how many players each club has lost. With 5 subs a decent sized squad is more important than ever.

[hibbysam]

Would be interesting to see how many players each club has lost. With 5 subs a decent sized squad is more important than ever.

Totally agree. Folk moaning about Simon Murray not having the quality we need are deluded. We can’t just keep signing multiple first choice starters. Every good team has a fair few squad players who will warm the bench, start the odd games. We had folk moaning about Paul McGinn before also, these players are essential to good squads, and even more so now when we can utilise more subs.

[Alex Trager]

I have a feeling Boyle is going nowhere.

Still ages to go.

Would be nice to get him tied down to a longer contract

[Clarence]

Still ages to go.

Would be nice to get him tied down to a longer contract

I just get the sense that Lennon’s talks about wanting him in January has made Boyle think that he can probably do better than what we would be able offer. TBF I wouldn’t grudge him it either but would love to see him stay a bit longer and leave with another Scottish Cup winner’s medal.

[badabing67]

I have a feeling Boyle is going nowhere.

Why do you feel like this

[The 90+2]

Why do you feel like this

Given the number 10 jersey?

[Vault Boy]

Given the number 10 jersey?

He's had that since McGeouch left.

[The 90+2]

He's had that since McGeouch left.

Mean in terms of him staying.

[badabing67]

I may have this wrong but did Graeme Mathie say in an interview, that we were going to do everything we could to get Omeonga back on permanent the last time we signed him. I'm sure he did but could be wrong. Omeonga will be free to sign a pre-contract agreement in January. Is it reasonable to assume he will still be a target and turn up again. I would like him back

[Leitherhibs]

I may have this wrong but did Graeme Mathie say in an interview, that we were going to do everything we could to get Omeonga back on permanent the last time we signed him. I'm sure he did but could be wrong. Omeonga will be free to sign a pre-contract agreement in January. Is it reasonable to assume he will still be a target and turn up again. I would like him back

I’m almost certain he said that somewhere, probably on a podcast as he’s done a few. I however wouldn’t want him back at ER.

[calumhibee1]

I’m almost certain he said that somewhere, probably on a podcast as he’s done a few. I however wouldn’t want him back at ER.

Can’t say I’m bothered for him coming back either.

[Gaffer1875]

If we can get Docherty in, cover at LB and Simon Murray I’d be happy losing Flo on a permanent with Fraser Murray and Mackie leaving on loan. I do think Boyle could go too but here’s hoping not.


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[Stuart93]

If we can get Docherty in, cover at LB and Simon Murray I’d be happy losing Flo on a permanent with Fraser Murray and Mackie leaving on loan. I do think Boyle could go too but here’s hoping not.


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I’m kind of hoping Stevenson’s our LB cover this season and if we bring a new one in they’ll be starting

[Vault Boy]

I’m kind of hoping Stevenson’s our LB cover this season and if we bring a new one in they’ll be starting

I absolutely love Lewis and hope he's around for a few years to come, but I tend to agree.

Statistically he didn't fare too well last season and I think he's on a natural downward curve. He'd prove to be an absolutely excellent mentor to a newcomer at LB, be they Doig or a new signing.

Our defensive woes will definitely be helped by the addition of Gogic and a generally more balanced side, but part of the unfortunate reality of football is the need to transition the likes of SDG and Lewis out of their starting spots.

I'd like to see Naismith return on the right hand side too. He was a standout in a problemed area and would go from strength to strength if we could bring him back IMO. As for left back, I don't have a clue.

[Unseen work]

Massive win for Villa tonight in the fight against relegation.

From a Hibs point of view, would it be better for Villa to be relegated or remain in too flight?


Relegated - May sell him at cut price or value him that much they refuse to sell him in a bid to get promoted again.

Stay in Prem - Hopefully attract a bigger fee, but who would be willing to pay it?

Hes went off the boil a bit since his injury which is understandable as he’s not fully match fit, but I’m hoping he gets a team better than Newcastle who are linked with him. Could actually see Sheffield United putting a bid for him, think he would suit their style.

[Unseen work]

If we can get Docherty in, cover at LB and Simon Murray I’d be happy losing Flo on a permanent with Fraser Murray and Mackie leaving on loan. I do think Boyle could go too but here’s hoping not.


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I really like Doc but with Newell now fit do we really need another centre mid? Mallan and Hallberg can already play their to accompany Gogic. Not saying I wouldn’t want him, but he’s likely to command a fee and big page.

100% think we need a new left back with Stevenson being cover.

Another attacking option is needed - winger/striker with pace.

[Ozyhibby]

Massive win for Villa tonight in the fight against relegation.

From a Hibs point of view, would it be better for Villa to be relegated or remain in too flight?


Relegated - May sell him at cut price or value him that much they refuse to sell him in a bid to get promoted again.

Stay in Prem - Hopefully attract a bigger fee, but who would be willing to pay it?

Hes went off the boil a bit since his injury which is understandable as he’s not fully match fit, but I’m hoping he gets a team better than Newcastle who are linked with him. Could actually see Sheffield United putting a bid for him, think he would suit their style.

I just want him sold no matter what. We need the cash.


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[Robbo6-2]

McGinn was brilliant 2nd half.

[Juice-Terry]

McGinn was brilliant 2nd half.

Yes he was. :agree:

[Since452]

Massive win for Villa tonight in the fight against relegation.

From a Hibs point of view, would it be better for Villa to be relegated or remain in too flight?


Relegated - May sell him at cut price or value him that much they refuse to sell him in a bid to get promoted again.

Stay in Prem - Hopefully attract a bigger fee, but who would be willing to pay it?

Hes went off the boil a bit since his injury which is understandable as he’s not fully match fit, but I’m hoping he gets a team better than Newcastle who are linked with him. Could actually see Sheffield United putting a bid for him, think he would suit their style.

Based on that performance he'll be away to a far bigger club than Sheffield United regardless of whether they stay up or not

[PH91]

Massive win for Villa tonight in the fight against relegation.

From a Hibs point of view, would it be better for Villa to be relegated or remain in too flight?


Relegated - May sell him at cut price or value him that much they refuse to sell him in a bid to get promoted again.

Stay in Prem - Hopefully attract a bigger fee, but who would be willing to pay it?

Hes went off the boil a bit since his injury which is understandable as he’s not fully match fit, but I’m hoping he gets a team better than Newcastle who are linked with him. Could actually see Sheffield United putting a bid for him, think he would suit their style.

I have a feeling that he will stay at villa regardless and on that basis i think its best villa stay up and he plays in the prem next season with a view to a big move in jan or more likely next summer.

[flash]

Based on that performance he'll be away to a far bigger club than Sheffield United regardless of whether they stay up or not

McGinn and Grealish both outstanding in the second half.

[bingo70]

Based on that performance he'll be away to a far bigger club than Sheffield United regardless of whether they stay up or not

When he first joined them and for a good while after I read the Villa forums as I enjoyed reading how much they liked him. Not looked for ages but had a look tonight and doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as popular.

Few criticising his performance tonight and nobody praising him, seems to be a lot of folk saying he’s overweight, I never watched the game so I’m not sure if that’s accurate or not?

Like Villa and their fans seem like a decent crowd so o hope they stay up and then decide to sell him for mega bucks.

[The 90+2]

SJM first half had a disciplined role and played it very well for the teams shape. When they needed energy and fight in the second half after they scored he was outstanding. Him and Greelish easily first names on the team sheet.

[Stuart93]

When he first joined them and for a good while after I read the Villa forums as I enjoyed reading how much they liked him. Not looked for ages but had a look tonight and doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as popular.

Few criticising his performance tonight and nobody praising him, seems to be a lot of folk saying he’s overweight, I never watched the game so I’m not sure if that’s accurate or not?

Like Villa and their fans seem like a decent crowd so o hope they stay up and then decide to sell him for mega bucks.

I’ve said a few times now that while I don’t think he’s overweight I think he’s bulked up his lower half far too much and it’s effecting his mobility getting up and down the pitch. He seems to have lost a yard of pace.

[Andy74]

I’ve said a few times now that while I don’t think he’s overweight I think he’s bulked up his lower half far too much and it’s effecting his mobility getting up and down the pitch. He seems to have lost a yard of pace.

He’s lost a yard of pace because of two injuries one after another and being rushed back in to help the team for the last few weeks. He actually got stronger as the game went on tonight.

Says a lot about him that he’s gone straight back in and they’ve stuck with him when he’s not quite been back to his best. He had a very good second half.

[Unseen work]

I watched a good 60-70 minutes of the game but unfortunately never thought McGinn was anything close to excellent.

One good turn on Kolasanic and a shot from the edge of the box I actually thought he should have done better with. I may have missed the bits he done well in fairness.

[04Sauzee]

I watched a good 60-70 minutes of the game but unfortunately never thought McGinn was anything close to excellent.

One good turn on Kolasanic and a shot from the edge of the box I actually thought he should have done better with. I may have missed the bits he done well in fairness.

Thought he had his best game in a Villa shirt since the shutdown, wasn't excellent but was far from poor definitely had a good game

[Hibee Mac]

I watched a good 60-70 minutes of the game but unfortunately never thought McGinn was anything close to excellent.

One good turn on Kolasanic and a shot from the edge of the box I actually thought he should have done better with. I may have missed the bits he done well in fairness.Agree, watched the full thing along with many recent Villa games.

He looks very average right now compared to his usual self. I'm sure it's to do with the fact he's just back from a long injury layoff and agree with villa fans he does look a little overweight. That being said I'd still have a half fit overweight John McGinn in that side over any of the other dross they have so he's doing well.

[Greenworld]

Agree, watched the full thing along with many recent Villa games.

He looks very average right now compared to his usual self. I'm sure it's to do with the fact he's just back from a long injury layoff and agree with villa fans he does look a little overweight. That being said I'd still have a half fit overweight John McGinn in that side over any of the other dross they have so he's doing well.He's worked the weights too much. Its muscle not fat. I thought he had a very good second half . Where he was allowed to play further up the park

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[Since452]

Dazjambo started the Hearts transfer thread with this beauty on the 3rd of July

Aaron Hickey will almost certainly join Manchester City in a permanent deal this window, with the option of loaning back for upto 18 months. The payment from Man City will be in installments and will include a 31% sell on clause to Hearts. Hearts will not pay any percent of his wage if he does return on loan. A left winger is also being looked at on loan from City.



Colin Doyle to leave soon.



Interest in John Souttar from Aston Villa, John McGinn has suggested that he is considered.



Michael Smith is in the thoughts of several english championship sides, aswell as Rangers.



Sam Nicholson desperate to come back to Hearts but has interest from Bristol City & Aberdeen.



Robbie has earmarked 6 current players he would like to move on, and is in discussion regarding a player from dunfermline and a loan signing from Arsenal.



3 ex players are currently out of contract and have offered to come back for little or no wages until January.



Keen on a central midfielder who is at Motherwell

Who is Michael Smith? Genuinely never heard of him

[number9dream]

I absolutely love Lewis and hope he's around for a few years to come, but I tend to agree.

Statistically he didn't fare too well last season and I think he's on a natural downward curve. He'd prove to be an absolutely excellent mentor to a newcomer at LB, be they Doig or a new signing.

Our defensive woes will definitely be helped by the addition of Gogic and a generally more balanced side, but part of the unfortunate reality of football is the need to transition the likes of SDG and Lewis out of their starting spots.

I'd like to see Naismith return on the right hand side too. He was a standout in a problemed area and would go from strength to strength if we could bring him back IMO. As for left back, I don't have a clue.

Such a weird window to predict... Harvie at Ayr United is someone we should be able to snap up right now, but is he is significantly better than Mackie or Doig and would he be an upgrade on Stevenson?
Stephen Kingsley would laugh at any offer we made right now but come October he might not be in a position to be so fussy.
The squad is unlikely to change much unless we lose a few more than we expect but it might be prudent to hold back any money we have for a late bargain.

[Heisenberg]

Ayr manager has confirmed Daniel Harvie is leaving them and they’ll be due training compensation. They were apparently close to getting him on a new deal before the virus scuppered everything. His move to MK Dons was reported at the start of July but nothing has been confirmed since.

[Dmas]

Ayr manager has confirmed Daniel Harvie is leaving them and they’ll be due training compensation. They were apparently close to getting him on a new deal before the virus scuppered everything. His move to MK Dons was reported at the start of July but nothing has been confirmed since.

You think the fact it’s gone to the training compensation rules us out? Always comes across as a bit of a gamble heading down the tribunal route just thought we would have negotiated a fee plus sell on as we did mcginn to remove that risk.

[J-C]

You think the fact it’s gone to the training compensation rules us out? Always comes across as a bit of a gamble heading down the tribunal route just thought we would have negotiated a fee plus sell on as we did mcginn to remove that risk.


Ayr might not want a small fee plus sell %, they may want money up front during these hard times.

[Brightside]

If Daniel Harvie comes to us we need to put Doig out on loan ASAP. He’s played a part in the warm up games but if we are looking at other LBs let’s not hold another player back again.

[JimBHibees]

If Daniel Harvie comes to us we need to put Doig out on loan ASAP. He’s played a part in the warm up games but if we are looking at other LBs let’s not hold another player back again.

Unfortunately lower league clubs won't be playing competitively until October however if showing up well don't bother bringing another in.

[Aldo]

If Daniel Harvie comes to us we need to put Doig out on loan ASAP. He’s played a part in the warm up games but if we are looking at other LBs let’s not hold another player back again.

Heard decent things about Doig and his loan spell at QP. How far off the 1st team is he Underscore?


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[Greenbeard]

He's worked the weights too much. Its muscle not fat. I thought he had a very good second half . Where he was allowed to play further up the park

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I agree he looks broader across the shoulders and neck and looks more like like a stocky scrum half. Why would any fitness coach put SJM on a big weights programme when he was already so strong on the ball and with a big backside which he uses so well? It's not as if he was a weak skinnymalink. Always look back and think that Arsenal ruined Charlie Nicholas by bulking him up.
Lots of chat from Villa fans about SJM being overweight and having a belly but don't see it and I can't imagine SJM letting things go. Just maybe not quite yet up to full fitness?

[04Sauzee]

Sam Baw Grabber Nicholson sings 2 year deal with Bristol Rovers

When Hearts come calling you don't say no 😅

How many targets have turned them down now

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Sam Baw Grabber Nicholson sings 2 year deal with Bristol Rovers

When Hearts come calling you don't say no ��

How many targets have turned them down now

They offered him better terms than Bristol Rovers but they didn't agree to his celtic clause however they never spoke to him

[nonshinyfinish]

They offered him better terms than Bristol Rovers but they never spoke to him

Rovers will come to regret blindly accepting the Celtic clause.

[Brightside]

Heard decent things about Doig and his loan spell at QP. How far off the 1st team is he Underscore?


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I think he is good to go tbh. He's a Porty boy too. At some point we need to start giving these young players a chance. Yes he will make mistakes but so does Lewis now. He prob needs to muscle up a bit to become a LCB (natural replacement for Hanlon imo), but he should be getting real game time at LB now. Has a lot more energy than Mackie imo too (and technically a better defender).

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Rovers will come to regret blindly accepting the Celtic clause.

Ha!

Beat me to my edit!

[Aldo]

I think he is good to go tbh. He's a Porty boy too. At some point we need to start giving these young players a chance. Yes he will make mistakes but so does Lewis now. He prob needs to muscle up a bit to become a LCB (natural replacement for Hanlon imo), but he should be getting real game time at LB now. Has a lot more energy than Mackie imo too (and technically a better defender).

Thanks for that Underscore. Let’s hope he gets some game time then however if we are indeed looking at a LB then he could find himself down the pecking order!


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[KeithTheHibby]

Massive win for Villa tonight in the fight against relegation.

From a Hibs point of view, would it be better for Villa to be relegated or remain in too flight?


Relegated - May sell him at cut price or value him that much they refuse to sell him in a bid to get promoted again.

Stay in Prem - Hopefully attract a bigger fee, but who would be willing to pay it?

Hes went off the boil a bit since his injury which is understandable as he’s not fully match fit, but I’m hoping he gets a team better than Newcastle who are linked with him. Could actually see Sheffield United putting a bid for him, think he would suit their style.


McGinn performing in the top league as opposed to the Championship is far better for Hibs.

[500miles]

Is young Bradley still on our books? He looked brilliant on the couple of occasions I saw him. Ball stuck to him like it was tied to his ankle.

[CentreLine]

I agree he looks broader across the shoulders and neck and looks more like like a stocky scrum half. Why would any fitness coach put SJM on a big weights programme when he was already so strong on the ball and with a big backside which he uses so well? It's not as if he was a weak skinnymalink. Always look back and think that Arsenal ruined Charlie Nicholas by bulking him up.
Lots of chat from Villa fans about SJM being overweight and having a belly but don't see it and I can't imagine SJM letting things go. Just maybe not quite yet up to full fitness?

Totally agree. I think the sports scientists go too far sometimes and not just in football. Rory McIlroy seemed to be doing just fine as world number one golfer then totally slumped when he bulked up. Coming back now but it’s taken a while. Sportsmen and women should spend less time in the gym and more time on the practice ground IMHO.

[Ozyhibby]

I think he is good to go tbh. He's a Porty boy too. At some point we need to start giving these young players a chance. Yes he will make mistakes but so does Lewis now. He prob needs to muscle up a bit to become a LCB (natural replacement for Hanlon imo), but he should be getting real game time at LB now. Has a lot more energy than Mackie imo too (and technically a better defender).

He’ll only develop now by playing games v adults. Either he starts for us or he needs to go on loan now. The reason Harvie is getting interest is because he has only just turned 22 and he has 100 games under his belt. If Doig is going to make it he needs to start playing games now.


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[Alex Trager]

Do we know how much game time the younger lads have been getting recently?

It’s really frustrating that hibs aren’t putting these friendlies out for all to watch, or at least providing updates, or indeed a full match report.

[jacomo]

McGinn performing in the top league as opposed to the Championship is far better for Hibs.


Agree.

Tbh I thought Villa were certainties for the drop. Amazing that they now have it in their hands.

[JimBHibees]

I agree he looks broader across the shoulders and neck and looks more like like a stocky scrum half. Why would any fitness coach put SJM on a big weights programme when he was already so strong on the ball and with a big backside which he uses so well? It's not as if he was a weak skinnymalink. Always look back and think that Arsenal ruined Charlie Nicholas by bulking him up.
Lots of chat from Villa fans about SJM being overweight and having a belly but don't see it and I can't imagine SJM letting things go. Just maybe not quite yet up to full fitness?

Not more to do with Charlie preferring the nightlife than the training field.

[JimBHibees]

I think he is good to go tbh. He's a Porty boy too. At some point we need to start giving these young players a chance. Yes he will make mistakes but so does Lewis now. He prob needs to muscle up a bit to become a LCB (natural replacement for Hanlon imo), but he should be getting real game time at LB now. Has a lot more energy than Mackie imo too (and technically a better defender).

If that is the case I wouldn't bring in a replacement and use both as cover for that area of the pitch for this season. Actually think Lewis struggled last season after getting injured in pre season and hope he is back to his magnificent consistent best.

[Brightside]

He’ll only develop now by playing games v adults. Either he starts for us or he needs to go on loan now. The reason Harvie is getting interest is because he has only just turned 22 and he has 100 games under his belt. If Doig is going to make it he needs to start playing games now.


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Totally my point. For me Fraser Murray is a prime example of a player who is being held back by not playing enough (and i know he's had injuries), but they need to be playing competitive senior football at 18.

[Greenbeard]

Every single time I come on .net I have my fingers crossed that I'll see a new thread Official: Kamberi departs......
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

[Nicho87]

Docherty starts for rangers b team friendly.

He must know his days are numbered there

[Dueday]

Do we know how much game time the younger lads have been getting recently?

It’s really frustrating that hibs aren’t putting these friendlies out for all to watch, or at least providing updates, or indeed a full match report.


Doig played part of the second half yesterday.

[Dmas]

Docherty starts for rangers b team friendly.

He must know his days are numbered there

Just saw that team on twitter, days are up there I think the first team play Motherwell tonight he can’t even make a friendly squad for them?

[04Sauzee]

Celtic have expressed an interest in signing West Ham forward Albian Ajeti, @SkySportsNews understands.

Neil Lennon is very keen on the Swiss international and the club have made inquiries about his availability – for a loan, or a permanent deal.

EPL clubs are also interested. https://t.co/MtVGVvz6Eh

[Dmas]

Celtic have expressed an interest in signing West Ham forward Albian Ajeti, @SkySportsNews understands.

Neil Lennon is very keen on the Swiss international and the club have made inquiries about his availability – for a loan, or a permanent deal.

EPL clubs are also interested. https://t.co/MtVGVvz6Eh

Alan Nixon tweeted this morning he thinks it’s agents working his ticket rather than a solid interest

[04Sauzee]

Alan Nixon tweeted this morning he thinks it’s agents working his ticket rather than a solid interest

Probably about right, Celtic have a number of strikers and think 1 possibly 2 woukd be moved on before they sign another

They lack a GK though

[Unseen work]

Docherty, Jones and McRorie playing for Rangers B team is a massive slap in the face, especially when you see guys like Barjonas in the squad infront of them.

Would take all 3 at Hibs.

[Souter96Mac]

Docherty, Jones and McRorie playing for Rangers B team is a massive slap in the face, especially when you see guys like Barjonas in the squad infront of them.

Would take all 3 at Hibs.

Agree, all 3 of them would pretty much walk into every other team in the league outside the OF.

[HendoDelivered]

Docherty, Jones and McRorie playing for Rangers B team is a massive slap in the face, especially when you see guys like Barjonas in the squad infront of them.

Would take all 3 at Hibs.

Jones is class IMO, wish we went for him when at Killie. Would be a decent replacement if Boyle were to leave. But ideally you would want him and Boyler in the same team, that would be some weapon.

Doc is good with lots of potential, bags of energy and a good engine who would thrive here playing week in, week out . Hope we make it happen!

[04Sauzee]

Docherty starts for rangers b team friendly.

He must know his days are numbered there

UTD currently 3-1 up althoug think UTD will have a strong line up

[JohnMcM]

UTD currently 3-1 up althoug think UTD will have a strong line up

Do you know if that is with Docherty, Jones and McRorie in the Sevco line up?

[Del Boy]

Do you know if that is with Docherty, Jones and McRorie in the Sevco line up?


4-1 United, above 3 playing for Sevco, don’t know utd team but Clark, Butcher, Shankland and Powers scored so assume close to full strength

[kinni35]

huns seem to be wanting docherty gone after the game on twitter...


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[Heisenberg]

Permanent swap for Kamberi would be ideal if it’s even a possibility. Andy Halliday was on the Simon Ferry podcast talking up FK and his impact/attitude in training while at the Huns.

[Smartie]

Docherty, Jones and McRorie playing for Rangers B team is a massive slap in the face, especially when you see guys like Barjonas in the squad infront of them.

Would take all 3 at Hibs.

Who is Barjonas, and why would it be a slap in the face?

They have a big squad, not everyone can be in the first team/ first team squad.

[badabing67]

Docherty, Jones and McRorie playing for Rangers B team is a massive slap in the face, especially when you see guys like Barjonas in the squad infront of them.

Would take all 3 at Hibs.

Is there any mention of Brandon Barker

[kinni35]

Who is Barjonas, and why would it be a slap in the face?

They have a big squad, not everyone can be in the first team/ first team squad.

youth player


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[SouthMoroccoStu]

huns seem to be wanting docherty gone after the game on twitter...


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What are they saying?

[badabing67]

Permanent swap for Kamberi would be ideal if it’s even a possibility. Andy Halliday was on the Simon Ferry podcast talking up FK and his impact/attitude in training while at the Huns.

A straight swap Kamberi for Docherty is not fair deal for us, I think we would be selling ourselves short imo. The fact that Rangers could be interested in Flo as a first team squad player & not interested in Docherty backs that up. Imo Flo has a much higher market value Docherty at this moment in time.

[Dibben]

A straight swap Kamberi for Docherty is not fair deal for us, I think we would be selling ourselves short imo. The fact that Rangers could be interested in Flo as a first team squad player & not interested in Docherty backs that up. Imo Flo has a much higher market value Docherty at this moment in time.

Perhaps. But in the current climate, if the huns offer a straight swap FL for GD, I’d take it.

[04Sauzee]

A straight swap Kamberi for Docherty is not fair deal for us, I think we would be selling ourselves short imo. The fact that Rangers could be interested in Flo as a first team squad player & not interested in Docherty backs that up. Imo Flo has a much higher market value Docherty at this moment in time.

I think it's a very fair deal, Kamberi entering his last year with Hibs when every buying club knows he wants away and we're not to keen to have him. Docherty on a 4 year deal knowing if we manage him correctly and he improves with Hibs could and should be worth a a fair amount in 2 years time.
Even just now he'd offer more to the team than Kamberi

[Speedway]

Perhaps. But in the current climate, if the huns offer a straight swap FL for GD, I’d take it.

Straight swap and we'll take a sell on percentage for Flo.

[Tambo]

East Stirlingshire have bolstered their backroom team after former Hibs and Newcastle right-back John Brownlie agreed to return to the club as part of Derek Ure’s coaching staff.

[Franck Stanton]

Who would benefit hibs team at present moment ? In my opinion Docherty without a doubt.
Gets a waster out the door and Doc helps the balance of the team. Has to be a permanent deal, no loans.

[The 90+2]

Who would benefit hibs team at present moment ? In my opinion Docherty without a doubt.
Gets a waster out the door and Doc helps the balance of the team. Has to be a permanent deal, no loans.

It would really depend of the attitude Kamberi has came back with tbh. We have about 100 midfielders right now. Even Horgan isn’t getting any sort of mention.

[04Sauzee]

Martin Boyle talks a little about his futue here

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1285971798371241984?s=19

[Stuart93]

Martin Boyle talks a little about his futue here

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1285971798371241984?s=19

Doesn’t sound to convincing to be honest. Going by that there’s little chance of a new deal

[HendoDelivered]

Doesn’t sound to convincing to be honest. Going by that there’s little chance of a new deal

I wasn’t filled with much confidence listening to that either.

[Hibs90]

Doesn’t sound to convincing to be honest. Going by that there’s little chance of a new deal

Yeah, very disappointing. I don't see why he couldn't agree an extension on the provision that Hibs will put in a release clause. He could still get a move to a bigger club and Hibs would get their fee for basically developing him into the player he is today - in theory at least. Maybe Hibs haven't explored that option yet.

I don't begrudge him a move or a step up but if it's a sideways step to Aberdeen or something like that or even to Celtic that would stick in the throat.

[Stuart93]

Yeah, very disappointing. I don't see why he couldn't agree an extension on the provision that Hibs will put in a release clause. He could still get a move to a bigger club and Hibs would get their fee for basically developing him into the player he is today - in theory at least. Maybe Hibs haven't explored that option yet.

I don't begrudge him a move or a step up but if it's a sideways step to Aberdeen or something like that or even to Celtic that would stick in the throat.

Don’t think there’s much chance of him going from us to Aberdeen.

Could see him joining Celtic unfortunately

[B.H.F.C]

Not really fussed with what Boyle had to say. I’ve never really thought he’ll sign a new deal, I can’t see the sense in it from his point of view, at the moment.

We just need to decide if any fee we can get is worth more than having him on the pitch or not.

[Hibs90]

Not really fussed with what Boyle had to say. I’ve never really thought he’ll sign a new deal, I can’t see the sense in it from his point of view, at the moment.

We just need to decide if any fee we can get is worth more than having him on the pitch or not.


He's more use to us on AND off the pitch then some measly fee.

[Peevemor]

I wouldn't take anything from that interview.

"I think it's ongoing" doesn't mean anything other than he's not giving anything away.

[badabing67]

Doesn’t sound to convincing to be honest. Going by that there’s little chance of a new deal

It doesn't but he didn't rule it out so hopefully there is still a chance. Get it done Hibs

[Stuart93]

It doesn't but he didn't rule it out so hopefully there is still a chance. Get it done Hibs

I think it echoed Grealish’s interview from last night, maybe just me

Feel when a players asked about his future and he says he’s only concentrating on his football it never sounds too convincing. More of a deflection.

[Hibiza]

Perhaps. But in the current climate, if the huns offer a straight swap FL for GD, I’d take it.
Definitely

[hfc rd]

Looks like he wants to keep his options open which I don’t blame him for doing.

Of course I really hope we keep him but if a good offer was to be received that the club felt was too good to turn down, especially during this current climate, then it’s understandable and he’ll go with all my best wishes. An excellent player and also a brilliant professional off it.

[Souter96Mac]

I wouldn't take anything from that interview.

"I think it's ongoing" doesn't mean anything other than he's not giving anything away.

Sounds like he's not specifically involved, rather it'll be his agent and the club having conversations.

[Greenbeard]

It would really depend of the attitude Kamberi has came back with tbh. We have about 100 midfielders right now. Even Horgan isn’t getting any sort of mention.
Keeping his heid doon, just like when he's on the ball.

[jacomo]

Don’t think there’s much chance of him going from us to Aberdeen.

Could see him joining Celtic unfortunately


£1m, triple the wages, sit on the bench. The standard Celtc deal.

[04Sauzee]

Should Boyle go im pretty certain we will recruit another wide player, have no idea who but I don't think Ross will want to go with Wright and Horgan

[Lago]

Doesn’t sound to convincing to be honest. Going by that there’s little chance of a new deal
Another Mgeoch situation on the cards

[berwickhibee]

£1m, triple the wages, sit on the bench. The standard Celtc deal.

And that's exactly what will happen.

[davhibby]

Another Mgeoch situation on the cards

I’d not be too disappointed in that if by Mcgeouch situation you mean running his contract down

[04Sauzee]

Killie sign a left back Brandon Haunstrup

[calumhibee1]

Do we know how much game time the younger lads have been getting recently?

It’s really frustrating that hibs aren’t putting these friendlies out for all to watch, or at least providing updates, or indeed a full match report.

I’m sure someone said on here that the games can’t be filmed etc as part of the current relaxation of lockdown rules etc.

Don’t know why that is the case though.

[Robbo6-2]

Si Ferry and Andy Halliday were talking about the Doc Flo swap deal being done yesterday on open goal.

You would assume they would of some kind of inside knowledge

[hibeemikey21]

Killie sign a left back Brandon Haunstrup

Always spend 10 seconds searching for the hidden joke with names like that

[Billy Whizz]

Always spend 10 seconds searching for the hidden joke with names like that

Should be playing for Rangers with that surname name

[Eyrie]

Always spend 10 seconds searching for the hidden joke with names like that

In the absence of any genuine transfer news we could make some rumours up?

eg Hearts are signing a midfielder called Max Hackman.

[madhatter]

Hibs have had too many players leave for very little to nothing and it doesn't benefit the clubs growth at all. Buy talented player, hope they perform well and grow as a player, and then sell.

Anything Boyle helps Hibs do this coming season is very unlikely to outweigh his sale value. Imagine we finish 7th, or worse, and get pumped out the cups and Boyle walks for free. Id rather say thanks to Boyle for the seasons he's had thus far while club make £1m , than Boyle walking away after an unknown future season for free.

Ajax have virtually lost all their best players but have made a lot of money in order to reinvest. Different worlds and everything but same rules apply, take good money if you are offered especially if player indicates he may want to leave.

[Mibbes Aye]

In the absence of any genuine transfer news we could make some rumours up?

eg Hearts are signing a midfielder called Max Hackman.

To be joined by the Lithuanian full back Vic Timoftheirhubris

[The Count]

Hibs have had too many players leave for very little to nothing and it doesn't benefit the clubs growth at all. Buy talented player, hope they perform well and grow as a player, and then sell.

Anything Boyle helps Hibs do this coming season is very unlikely to outweigh his sale value. Imagine we finish 7th, or worse, and get pumped out the cups and Boyle walks for free. Id rather say thanks to Boyle for the seasons he's had thus far while club make £1m , than Boyle walking away after an unknown future season for free.

Ajax have virtually lost all their best players but have made a lot of money in order to reinvest. Different worlds and everything but same rules apply, take good money if you are offered especially if player indicates he may want to leave.
I agree a very good servant but say £1 million in the current circumstances is huge for a club like Hibs.Remember he could get injured again and there is no guarantee that this season will even be finished so money to survive is very important

[CMurdoch]

I agree a very good servant but say £1 million in the current circumstances is huge for a club like Hibs.Remember he could get injured again and there is no guarantee that this season will even be finished so money to survive is very important

Think this one will end in tears.

[Orchard_Hibs]

Think this one will end in tears.

Yup, can see Boyle either walking for nothing at the end of the season or signing a pre contract in jan and us taking 150k for him.

It’s a shame we that we probably won’t profit from him but I would imagine when he first signed no one saw him developing quite as well and the possibility of a £1m+ transfer player.

Nisbet is a player who has been signed and identified as someone with a sell on value, if he is sold for a profit in a couple years then job done for the recruitment department, if he leaves for bigger things for free this will be a failure. Just my opinion mind.

[nonshinyfinish]

Yup, can see Boyle either walking for nothing at the end of the season or signing a pre contract in jan and us taking 150k for him.

It’s a shame we that we probably won’t profit from him but I would imagine when he first signed no one saw him developing quite as well and the possibility of a £1m+ transfer player.

Nisbet is a player who has been signed and identified as someone with a sell on value, if he is sold for a profit in a couple years then job done for the recruitment department, if he leaves for bigger things for free this will be a failure. Just my opinion mind.

What if that's after four great seasons where he scores loads of goals? Still a failure?

Obviously in an ideal world you'd always extend your best players' contracts and they'd never leave for nothing. But the reality of Hibs' position in the food chain makes that difficult to achieve. IMO there are different kinds of success in transfer business, and buying a player who contributes plenty on the pitch is one of them, even if there's no profit at the end of it.

[erin go bragh]

Hibs have had too many players leave for very little to nothing and it doesn't benefit the clubs growth at all. Buy talented player, hope they perform well and grow as a player, and then sell.

Anything Boyle helps Hibs do this coming season is very unlikely to outweigh his sale value. Imagine we finish 7th, or worse, and get pumped out the cups and Boyle walks for free. Id rather say thanks to Boyle for the seasons he's had thus far while club make £1m , than Boyle walking away after an unknown future season for free.

Ajax have virtually lost all their best players but have made a lot of money in order to reinvest. Different worlds and everything but same rules apply, take good money if you are offered especially if player indicates he may want to leave.

Flip it the other way . Boyle stays and we qualify for Europe ( get through to the group stages )?and make a good few million .
Even the difference in say finishing three or four places higher in the league would make us hundred of thousands more in prize money .

[Orchard_Hibs]

What if that's after four great seasons where he scores loads of goals? Still a failure?

Obviously in an ideal world you'd always extend your best players' contracts and they'd never leave for nothing. But the reality of Hibs' position in the food chain makes that difficult to achieve. IMO there are different kinds of success in transfer business, and buying a player who contributes plenty on the pitch is one of them, even if there's no profit at the end of it.

If he has four great seasons and walks for nothing we will all be arguing over why we hadn’t extended a contract for him or offered him more money etc etc. He has been signed with the hope that 1. He developed further with us and scores plenty goals and 2. We sell him for a profit. This has been proven to be the only sustainable way of growing as a football club (if your outside the mega rich clubs).

If you repeat that process enough times successfully the club will grow, add in developing your own youth players and the above process becomes easier.

However, if he wins us the Scottish with his last kick of a ball in a hibs strip then walks for nothing the day after it will be hard to say it was a failure, but from the above plan then yes it would be a failure as our monetary investment in him would be Lost.

[JimBHibees]

Not really fussed with what Boyle had to say. I’ve never really thought he’ll sign a new deal, I can’t see the sense in it from his point of view, at the moment.

We just need to decide if any fee we can get is worth more than having him on the pitch or not.

The bottom line he stays for the year unless we get a decent bid. Don't expect him to sign another deal and probably fair enough. He is worth more to us on the pitch than a derisory offer.

[Souter96Mac]

Defoe went off with what looked a hamstring injury in the Huns' friendly tonight..could speed up the Kamberi/Docherty transfer if that is even happening

[Robbo6-2]

Putting your green tinted specs on you would say Martin Boyle's actions are abit disappointing. Heres a player who's career was going no where. The club gave him the platform to get his career going and eventually become an international player. Rewarded him with a long term contract on increased terms during which time provided him with the rehabilitation for two serious injuries and safety net of being paid during that time. If he was to accept a new deal at hibs he would be no doubts one of our highest earners and in turn potentially earn us some money in transfer market in future if he continues to play the way he does.

Sadly players and agents dont think like this.

On the other hand from the players perspective, having arrived late into the full time game he will be looking for that contract either from Celtic or down south to make his young family financially stable for life.

Bigger and better players have left Hibs over the years than Martin Boyle. He will no doubt be a loss when he goes but we will survive.

[nonshinyfinish]

If he has four great seasons and walks for nothing we will all be arguing over why we hadn’t extended a contract for him or offered him more money etc etc. He has been signed with the hope that 1. He developed further with us and scores plenty goals and 2. We sell him for a profit. This has been proven to be the only sustainable way of growing as a football club (if your outside the mega rich clubs).

If you repeat that process enough times successfully the club will grow, add in developing your own youth players and the above process becomes easier.

However, if he wins us the Scottish with his last kick of a ball in a hibs strip then walks for nothing the day after it will be hard to say it was a failure, but from the above plan then yes it would be a failure as our monetary investment in him would be Lost.

I broadly agree with you, but to me it's reductive to consider it binary success/failure.

[Orchard_Hibs]

I broadly agree with you, but to me it's reductive to consider it binary success/failure.

Yes there is a lot of grey area that gets lost when discussing on a forum and not in the pub. I also find it hard to put any real success/failure on both Boyle and Nisbet. Just trying to be cold about it with no emotion attached.

[J-C]

Boyle's been a very good servant for us, he's developed into one of our more important players, if he's of a mind to move now then getting anything near £1m is a good bit of business, if he runs his contract down, then so be it he has every right to do so.

[B.H.F.C]

Putting your green tinted specs on you would say Martin Boyle's actions are abit disappointing. Heres a player who's career was going no where. The club gave him the platform to get his career going and eventually become an international player. Rewarded him with a long term contract on increased terms during which time provided him with the rehabilitation for two serious injuries and safety net of being paid during that time. If he was to accept a new deal at hibs he would be no doubts one of our highest earners and in turn potentially earn us some money in transfer market in future if he continues to play the way he does.

Sadly players and agents dont think like this.

On the other hand from the players perspective, having arrived late into the full time game he will be looking for that contract either from Celtic or down south to make his young family financially stable for life.

Bigger and better players have left Hibs over the years than Martin Boyle. He will no doubt be a loss when he goes but we will survive.

Even with the green tinted specs, I don’t find his actions disappointing because I’m pretty certain he’ll still give his all for us.

He’s got to do what he thinks is best and it works both ways. If he does his knee again, we wouldn’t be rushing to offer him a three year deal in better terms for example.

[Andy74]

If he has four great seasons and walks for nothing we will all be arguing over why we hadn’t extended a contract for him or offered him more money etc etc. He has been signed with the hope that 1. He developed further with us and scores plenty goals and 2. We sell him for a profit. This has been proven to be the only sustainable way of growing as a football club (if your outside the mega rich clubs).

If you repeat that process enough times successfully the club will grow, add in developing your own youth players and the above process becomes easier.

However, if he wins us the Scottish with his last kick of a ball in a hibs strip then walks for nothing the day after it will be hard to say it was a failure, but from the above plan then yes it would be a failure as our monetary investment in him would be Lost.

Too simplistic. You also grow the club by winning games and winning things.

Take the Scottish Cup winning team. Getting money for McGinn was a bonus but if he’d have walked at the end of his contract for nothing then that team will still have taken the club from where it was to one getting average crowds of 17k.

[JimBHibees]

Putting your green tinted specs on you would say Martin Boyle's actions are abit disappointing. Heres a player who's career was going no where. The club gave him the platform to get his career going and eventually become an international player. Rewarded him with a long term contract on increased terms during which time provided him with the rehabilitation for two serious injuries and safety net of being paid during that time. If he was to accept a new deal at hibs he would be no doubts one of our highest earners and in turn potentially earn us some money in transfer market in future if he continues to play the way he does.

Sadly players and agents dont think like this.

On the other hand from the players perspective, having arrived late into the full time game he will be looking for that contract either from Celtic or down south to make his young family financially stable for life.

Bigger and better players have left Hibs over the years than Martin Boyle. He will no doubt be a loss when he goes but we will survive.

Agree he has also been a great servant to the club. All our decent wins last season he was a major part in it.

[The Count]

If i had two bad knee injuries i would not risk going out of contract.This is his chance to set himself and his family up for life.Hence my gut call is he will not run down his contract but he will move in the next two months.

[MyJo]

Putting your green tinted specs on you would say Martin Boyle's actions are abit disappointing. Heres a player who's career was going no where. The club gave him the platform to get his career going and eventually become an international player. Rewarded him with a long term contract on increased terms during which time provided him with the rehabilitation for two serious injuries and safety net of being paid during that time. If he was to accept a new deal at hibs he would be no doubts one of our highest earners and in turn potentially earn us some money in transfer market in future if he continues to play the way he does.

Sadly players and agents dont think like this.

On the other hand from the players perspective, having arrived late into the full time game he will be looking for that contract either from Celtic or down south to make his young family financially stable for life.

Bigger and better players have left Hibs over the years than Martin Boyle. He will no doubt be a loss when he goes but we will survive.

Not disappointed in the slightest by anything Boyle has done.

He’s been an excellent servant to Hibs in his time, been part of a successful squad and developed into a great player that is deservedly attracting interest from bigger, richer clubs.

He’s in exactly the same position as McGinn was when we sold him. He is going to get offers that will put him on life-changing money that Hibs simply cant compete with. We just need to decide if we want to sell now and cash in while we can or keep him for one more season, let him go for nothing and hope his influence can help us win a cup and qualify for Europe.

Unlike McGinn this is Boyle’s one chance at a big money move and signing an extended contract or playing out his final season and risking another bad injury could scupper that opportunity for him. His best option is to take the move now while he is in demand and fit and I absolutely don’t grudge him that one bit.

He has more than paid his dues IMO and he deserves a big-money contract from somewhere.

[AlbertK86]

The bottom line he stays for the year unless we get a decent bid. Don't expect him to sign another deal and probably fair enough. He is worth more to us on the pitch than a derisory offer.

Spot on


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[04Sauzee]

Wonder if the injury to Defoe will change anything with regards to Kamberi or if they really aren't that interested in him

[CMurdoch]

If i had two bad knee injuries i would not risk going out of contract.This is his chance to set himself and his family up for life.Hence my gut call is he will not run down his contract but he will move in the next two months.

Good call and exactly what I would be telling him if i was his advisor ........................which fortunately for him, i'm not.

[04Sauzee]

Just waiting for one of the red tops to have watched the interview to exclusively reveal

[CMurdoch]

Wonder if the injury to Defoe will change anything with regards to Kamberi or if they really aren't that interested in him

I thought signing Defoe was a really bad decision by Rangers.
The guy was finished before last season and Rangers will be paying him big bucks again this season to score against Hamilton etc before bringing in the main man Morelos for European and Old Firm matches, as they did last season.
Obviously I will be delighted if they panic and do an immediate permanent Kamberi for Docherty swap whilst they look for a real striker. Fingers crossed.

[JammyDoidger]

:scarf:

[The 90+2]

Mcnulty being talked up by the Reading boss.

[CMurdoch]

Mcnulty being talked up by the Reading boss.

In a desperate attempt to get someone to take him off his hands?

[SteveHFC]

In a desperate attempt to get someone to take him off his hands?

Hope we don't go for him.

[madhatter]

Flip it the other way . Boyle stays and we qualify for Europe ( get through to the group stages )?and make a good few million .
Even the difference in say finishing three or four places higher in the league would make us hundred of thousands more in prize money .

See your point but when was the last time we got to the group stages in Europe? 4 places higher in the league would be approximately 500k which is good but if we can sell Boyle for £1m...

It's about dealing with what is known and what is likely - if we know Boyle will leave after this season then we need to ensure we get enough cash to replace him one way or another.

McGinn stayed with us through our mini European run and left for a relatively cheap value, we are still trying to recover from losing that midfield because collectively they went for far too cheap. McGeouch (£0), Bartley (£0), Fyvie (£0), McGinn (approx. £2-3m). Good players leaving for cheap or nothing is never smart in my eyes. Imagine we had let McGinn run his contract down - no fee and sell-on would be criminal. We would be in a horrendous position.

Using McGinn as an example, we are looking to profit from a sell-on clause (if he is going to move). Again, we would have got £0 if we had let his contract run down. Including the original fee, we could potentially end up getting £5-8m for McGinn. How many years would a Hibs player need to stay at Hibs for them to be tagged as contributing immensely towards Hibs collecting £5-8m in prize money? Quite a few I would say.

[King Cosell]

See your point but when was the last time we got to the group stages in Europe? 4 places higher in the league would be approximately 500k which is good but if we can sell Boyle for £1m...

It's about dealing with what is known and what is likely - if we know Boyle will leave after this season then we need to ensure we get enough cash to replace him one way or another.

McGinn stayed with us through our mini European run and left for a relatively cheap value, we are still trying to recover from losing that midfield because collectively they went for far too cheap. McGeouch (£0), Bartley (£0), Fyvie (£0), McGinn (approx. £2-3m). Good players leaving for cheap or nothing is never smart in my eyes. Imagine we had let McGinn run his contract down - no fee and sell-on would be criminal. We would be in a horrendous position.

Using McGinn as an example, we are looking to profit from a sell-on clause (if he is going to move). Again, we would have got £0 if we had let his contract run down. Including the original fee, we could potentially end up getting £5-8m for McGinn. How many years would a Hibs player need to stay at Hibs for them to be tagged as contributing immensely towards Hibs collecting £5-8m in prize money? Quite a few I would say.

Maybe they should have stayed longer but we were never going to get any money for Fyvie or Bartley and with McGeouch's injuries it would have been risky extending his contract the season before he left (played 18 league games 2017/18, 19 league games in 206/17).

[HibeeJude]

Charlton relegated tonight and also apparently hit with a transfer embargo. Would it be worth going back in for McGeady?

[Unseen work]

I will be absolutely gutted when Boyle leaves, it’s inevitable imo.

We will massively miss his pace, ability to get us up the pitch in seconds, directness and contribution to goals whether it’s a goal for himself or assist. It’s a massive credit to himself at just how good he has become.

I wouldn’t grudge him a move to Celtic or England as it’s life changing money, he better not end up at Aberdeen though.

The unfortunate position we are in with his contract, is I’m not sure how we would be able to negotiate it when everyone is on pay cuts.

If we cash in on him this window, we really need a good replacement in that can do similar. I’d rest Rangers for Jordon Jones and if no joy then Jamie Murphy (if we got him I’d still be wanting another with really electric pace).

Fwiw I think we will see movement on Docherty in the next week or so.

[Tambo]

Says talks ongoing, maybe he will take the similar contract that cummings took, a clause saying hibs will let him leave next season.

Either way there is no chance hibs will let him go for nothing.

[scotiaf]

Yeah, very disappointing. I don't see why he couldn't agree an extension on the provision that Hibs will put in a release clause. He could still get a move to a bigger club and Hibs would get their fee for basically developing him into the player he is today - in theory at least. Maybe Hibs haven't explored that option yet.

I don't begrudge him a move or a step up but if it's a sideways step to Aberdeen or something like that or even to Celtic that would stick in the throat.

Fair but if he’s a free transfer next year and has a good season he could get a heavy signing on fee and better wages if going for free, I’d guess.

[Springbank]

Says talks ongoing, maybe he will take the similar contract that cummings took, a clause saying hibs will let him leave next season.

Either way there is no chance hibs will let him go for nothing.

Folk are forgetting we have a cup derby semi final & hearts are terrified of Boyle.

A Cummings style deal (1yr extension with a sale fee clause) makes sense all round. "Give us til January & win us the cup then you can go for £x" works for me

[MWHIBBIES]

Folk are forgetting we have a cup derby semi final & hearts are terrified of Boyle.

A Cummings style deal (1yr extension with a sale fee clause) makes sense all round. "Give us til January & win us the cup then you can go for £x" works for me

This just isn't true. He had one very good game against them last season, otherwise he has offered very little in derbies.

Not too worried about Boyle going, he'd be back in 18 months anyway.

[04Sauzee]

This just isn't true. He had one very good game against them last season, otherwise he has offered very little in derbies.

Not too worried about Boyle going, he'd be back in 18 months anyway.

Why would he be back in 18 months if he was to leave just now?

[MrRobot]

Charlton relegated tonight and also apparently hit with a transfer embargo. Would it be worth going back in for McGeady?

100% no.

[Speedway]

Why would he be back in 18 months if he was to leave just now?

I’m going to assume that MWH means he’ll fail at any club he goes to that’s a step up from Hibs.

If that’s what he’s saying, I wouldn’t disagree.

[04Sauzee]

I’m going to assume that MWH means he’ll fail at any club he goes to that’s a step up from Hibs.

If that’s what he’s saying, I wouldn’t disagree.

I think he could make the step up, but if he didn't there are many clubs of the size of Hibs he could take his pick from

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m going to assume that MWH means he’ll fail at any club he goes to that’s a step up from Hibs.

If that’s what he’s saying, I wouldn’t disagree.


Why would he be back in 18 months if he was to leave just now?



Yeah, probably not meaning to be quite that harsh but Boyle isn't consistent enough to go down south and play 50 odd games a season IMO. He is a brilliant but limited player who can be quite easily marked or stiffled out a game. He cant switch sides, is generally poor when played up front, doesn't really have more than 1 or 2 tricks to beat a player.

Love the guy to bits but Hibs is definitely his level.

[hibbysam]

Yeah, probably not meaning to be quite that harsh but Boyle isn't consistent enough to go down south and play 50 odd games a season IMO. He is a brilliant but limited player who can be quite easily marked or stiffled out a game. He cant switch sides, is generally poor when played up front, doesn't really have more than 1 or 2 tricks to beat a player.

Love the guy to bits but Hibs is definitely his level.

You think? Pace is a huge asset to have down south. Look at the likes of Walcott, no left foot, no real skill set, just pure, raw pace, and he’s made a huge living down there. Boyle is a lesser level than that obviously, but his delivery from the right has come on hugely, his finishing is really good and has frightening pace. He’ll make a decent career and living down in the championship while continuing to build his international career.

[Peevemor]

You think? Pace is a huge asset to have down south. Look at the likes of Walcott, no left foot, no real skill set, just pure, raw pace, and he’s made a huge living down there. Boyle is a lesser level than that obviously, but his delivery from the right has come on hugely, his finishing is really good and has frightening pace. He’ll make a decent career and living down in the championship while continuing to build his international career.

I agree. Boyle has pace and stamina/energy in abundance. Laterly he's added a bit of composure to his game& finishing too.

[MWHIBBIES]

You think? Pace is a huge asset to have down south. Look at the likes of Walcott, no left foot, no real skill set, just pure, raw pace, and he’s made a huge living down there. Boyle is a lesser level than that obviously, but his delivery from the right has come on hugely, his finishing is really good and has frightening pace. He’ll make a decent career and living down in the championship while continuing to build his international career.

Walcott is much better than that. He was actually able to play well as a striker and scored a brilliant volley in the FA cup final with his left foot so that isn't true. Over 100 goals for Arsenal.

Boyle has a way to go before his finishing can be considered really good IMO.

I dunno, I hope for his sake he does well but he is levels behind guys like McGinn, Murphy, Fletcher etc who have actually went down there and done really well.

[Since452]

Boyle is a player that's improved massively. He's gone from a bit part player to one of, if not the first pick. That's credit to him and our coaching staff. The one drawback, selfishly for me is this Australia thing. It's a pain in the backside when he's away and it definitely had a negative impact on his Hibs form the last time. His pace is undoubtedly a weapon but like a lot of rapid players the end product is still lacking a bit for me. If he goes I'd wish him well but I wouldn't be as down as I was when McGinn or even Dylan left.

[hibbysam]

Walcott is much better than that. He was actually able to play well as a striker and scored a brilliant volley in the FA cup final with his left foot so that isn't true. Over 100 goals for Arsenal.

Boyle has a way to go before his finishing can be considered really good IMO.

I dunno, I hope for his sake he does well but he is levels behind guys like McGinn, Murphy, Fletcher etc who have actually went down there and done really well.

I’m fairly sure Boyle will have scored a few with his left foot as well, but when playing as a right winger, your left foot is largely irrelevant. Those that you mentioned never had the pace of Boyle, but had much more technical ability. Boyle makes up for that with his pace, however the technical side of his game has improved massively. He strikes a ball as clean as you’ll see, and his directness draws fouls from every defender.

Just my opinion but I feel Martin’s game is tailor made for down south where there’s a bit more space (teams play with far higher back lines).

[BlackSheep]

Interest in Morelos from Lille (£15M), Defoe limping off last night... fingers crossed they’re on the phone to Hibs/Kamberi’s agent this morning...

[CMurdoch]

Mcnulty being talked up by the Reading boss.

McNulty the jobby of Reading. He just can't be flushed unless he goes round the bend. Will sit tight and collect £1million in the next 2 years.
Reading played 6 games in July naming 9 subs for each game and McNulty wasn't in the matchday 20 for any of the games. They hate him for not being very good and taking £10k a week from them. As Freddie Sheppard of Newcastle once said about Michael Owen, Reading would physically carry McNulty to another club such is their desire to get rid of him. No chance he is leaving there unless they pay him off. As Elvis and Roland Gift sang, they're caught in a trap and they can't get out. Game set and match McNulty.

[Auckland Hibs]

McNulty the jobby of Reading. He just can't be flushed unless he's round the bend. sit tight and collect £1million in 2 years.
Reading played 6 games in July naming 9 subs for each game and McNulty wasn't in the matchday 20 for any of the games. They hate him for not being very good and taking £20k a week from them. As Freddie Sheppard of Newcastle once said about Michael Owen, Reading would physically carry McNulty to another club such is their desire to get rid of him. No chance he is leaving there unless they pay him off. As Elvis and Roland Gift sang, they're caught in a trap and they can't get out. Game set and match McNulty.

That's harsh, Reading prepared the contract not McNulty - similar story with Bale at Real Madrid.

He's done nothing wrong.

[Greenbeard]

Interest in Morelos from Lille (£15M), Defoe limping off last night... fingers crossed they’re on the phone to Hibs/Kamberi’s agent this morning...
Con't tipe orr moove proply fr alll myy fungrs beeng crissed ass wel as toes an legs and eyess

[The 90+2]

McNulty the jobby of Reading. He just can't be flushed unless he goes round the bend. Will sit tight and collect £1million in the next 2 years.
Reading played 6 games in July naming 9 subs for each game and McNulty wasn't in the matchday 20 for any of the games. They hate him for not being very good and taking £20k a week from them. As Freddie Sheppard of Newcastle once said about Michael Owen, Reading would physically carry McNulty to another club such is their desire to get rid of him. No chance he is leaving there unless they pay him off. As Elvis and Roland Gift sang, they're caught in a trap and they can't get out. Game set and match McNulty.

The way their manager spoke about McNulty coming back into the fold I don’t think he was allowed to play or was fit enough to play in the remaining games.

I’m not sure why fans would hate a player either just because he doesn’t match the standards of wage they ludicrously gave him after a fantastic season L2? They gambled on potential. It didn’t work out.

[CMurdoch]

That's harsh, Reading prepared the contract not McNulty - similar story with Bale at Real Madrid.

He's done nothing wrong.

A guy needs to find the best paying gig he can.
Absolutely not his issue, 100% Readings.
A £4k a week striker on a long £10k a week deal.
Reading messed up royally.

[HendoDelivered]

McNulty the jobby of Reading. He just can't be flushed unless he goes round the bend. Will sit tight and collect £1million in the next 2 years.
Reading played 6 games in July naming 9 subs for each game and McNulty wasn't in the matchday 20 for any of the games. They hate him for not being very good and taking £20k a week from them. As Freddie Sheppard of Newcastle once said about Michael Owen, Reading would physically carry McNulty to another club such is their desire to get rid of him. No chance he is leaving there unless they pay him off. As Elvis and Roland Gift sang, they're caught in a trap and they can't get out. Game set and match McNulty.

I’d sit tight for 2 years to get a mill as well. Sorted for life :agree:

[CMurdoch]

The way their manager spoke about McNulty coming back into the fold I don’t think he was allowed to play or was fit enough to play in the remaining games.

I’m not sure why fans would hate a player either just because he doesn’t match the standards of wage they ludicrously gave him after a fantastic season L2? They gambled on potential. It didn’t work out.

Will be hated by the execs at Reading who have to keep paying him but not the fans. They will see it for what it is, a 4 year exec mess up that still has 2 years to run.

[King Cosell]

A guy needs to find the best paying gig he can.
Absolutely not his issue, 100% Readings.
A £4k a week striker on a long £20k a week deal.
Reading messed up royally.

Where are you getting 20k a week from? No club would pay a £1 million signing from League 2 20k a week. He might get half that if he was playing/scoring regularly.

[CMurdoch]

I’d sit tight for 2 years to get a mill as well. Sorted for life :agree:

Snap

[bigwheel]

McNulty the jobby of Reading. He just can't be flushed unless he goes round the bend. Will sit tight and collect £1million in the next 2 years.
Reading played 6 games in July naming 9 subs for each game and McNulty wasn't in the matchday 20 for any of the games. They hate him for not being very good and taking £20k a week from them. As Freddie Sheppard of Newcastle once said about Michael Owen, Reading would physically carry McNulty to another club such is their desire to get rid of him. No chance he is leaving there unless they pay him off. As Elvis and Roland Gift sang, they're caught in a trap and they can't get out. Game set and match McNulty.

Why such a negative take on it ? He’s is trying to get a move , equally he is quite in his right to be paid what he is due ...both parties committed to the contract ..

[The 90+2]

Will be hated by the execs at Reading who have to keep paying him but not the fans. They will see it for what it is, a 4 year exec mess up that still has 2 years to run.

True 👍

[CMurdoch]

Where are you getting 20k a week from? No club would pay a £1 million signing from League 2 20k a week. He might get half that if he was playing/scoring regularly.

On reflection, you are probably right at £10k a week.
Have had the £20k figure in my head so long that I can't remember where it was sourced.
There are a number of Reading players on £20k a week but probably not McNulty.

He just seems to be stuck there with loan deal after loan deal but no sign of any team wanting to take him on permanently. That means one of 3 things.
1. His club want a fee that teams won't match. They paid between £1 and £1.5 million for him so naturally wanted to try and recoup most of it
2. He is on a good wage and other clubs won't match or come anywhere close to it
3. His Coventry form is now a long time ago so the chances of 1. and/or 2. being met are gone.

The only thing that remains unchanged from the time of the transfer is McNulty's contract so will no doubt go out on another 3rd tier English loan, if Reading won't pay him off.

[CMurdoch]

Why such a negative take on it ? He’s is trying to get a move , equally he is quite in his right to be paid what he is due ...both parties committed to the contract ..

Absolutely, on the contract front.
P.S. just thought I would create a bit of minor turbulence to move us on from the Boyle chat
P.P.S. think Marc will return to Hibs in 1 or 2 seasons

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m fairly sure Boyle will have scored a few with his left foot as well, but when playing as a right winger, your left foot is largely irrelevant. Those that you mentioned never had the pace of Boyle, but had much more technical ability. Boyle makes up for that with his pace, however the technical side of his game has improved massively. He strikes a ball as clean as you’ll see, and his directness draws fouls from every defender.

Just my opinion but I feel Martin’s game is tailor made for down south where there’s a bit more space (teams play with far higher back lines).

That couldn't be further from the truth. Most of the best right wingers in the last 20 years have been left footed or at least able to go both ways. That is part of what makes Boyle so limited. He only really goes on the outside.

You aren't taking into account that players down south, in the championship, are better than here. He wont draw as many fouls, he definitely wont get as much space (having a higher backline means much less space with the ball as his feet and a much more congested game) and he will probably get stifled quite easily like Hearts did at ER recently.

[Brightside]

Players with irrelevant feet. Nothing more scottish. :greengrin

[eastcoasthibby]

Spot on. Mallan is majorly underrated.

Opinions are opinions but I think Mallan is limited in what he gives us his mobility and so lightweight on the ball, he doesn't tackle at all and has no pace to get past anyone or to track a runner... He hasn't been shown to be creative for others either, from what I remember of him early last season was the amount of time he gives the ball away in dangerous areas, I think he gets casual... What does he give us he can shoot, does find a bit of space, likes to get on the ball, has a decent brain in linking the game... Overall I just think we get very little from him in a defensive way, I still see him waving his hands about and pointing at others, when a player has got off him and scored or had a chance, being left in the wake of someone that has skipped past him heading forward and with his lack of pace he has no chance of getting back at them.
Sorry but if we can afford to keep him as a stand in for Allan then that's it, if we need to spend money on a more all round player then he can go for me. If he goes I see Fraser Murray as being a stand in for Allan, hasn't got the same shot but he has ability and is developing.
Halberg hasn't had the game time in a more advanced position but is a better all round player in my view, more mobile and competitive.
I am intrigued to see what shape we play as our main style, but also happy that I think we have probably another 2-3to go to as options which is positive.

[LeithMike]

Opinions are opinions but I think Mallan is limited in what he gives us his mobility and so lightweight on the ball, he doesn't tackle at all and has no pace to get past anyone or to track a runner... He hasn't been shown to be creative for others either, from what I remember of him early last season was the amount of time he gives the ball away in dangerous areas, I think he gets casual... What does he give us he can shoot, does find a bit of space, likes to get on the ball, has a decent brain in linking the game... Overall I just think we get very little from him in a defensive way, I still see him waving his hands about and pointing at others, when a player has got off him and scored or had a chance, being left in the wake of someone that has skipped past him heading forward and with his lack of pace he has no chance of getting back at them.
Sorry but if we can afford to keep him as a stand in for Allan then that's it, if we need to spend money on a more all round player then he can go for me. If he goes I see Fraser Murray as being a stand in for Allan, hasn't got the same shot but he has ability and is developing.
Halberg hasn't had the game time in a more advanced position but is a better all round player in my view, more mobile and competitive.
I am intrigued to see what shape we play as our main style, but also happy that I think we have probably another 2-3to go to as options which is positive.Well-considered post with which I agree. I'd rather see Fraser Murray given time as back-up for Scott Alan. While you'd no doubt lose Mallan's threat from distance and set-pieces, I don't think he does enough defensively or has the pace or skill to beat a man like Alan can.

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[AlbertK86]

Well-considered post with which I agree. I'd rather see Fraser Murray given time as back-up for Scott Alan. While you'd no doubt lose Mallan's threat from distance and set-pieces, I don't think he does enough defensively or has the pace or skill to beat a man like Alan can.

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Neither does Murray


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[Andy74]

Well-considered post with which I agree. I'd rather see Fraser Murray given time as back-up for Scott Alan. While you'd no doubt lose Mallan's threat from distance and set-pieces, I don't think he does enough defensively or has the pace or skill to beat a man like Alan can.

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Fraser Murray instead of Mallan? That’s mental.

[J-C]

Always amazes me how certain so called supporters are very quick to slate and rubbish some of our players. Only got 1 foot, no composure, 1 trick pony blah blah blah.

[Billy Whizz]

Neither does Murray


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Murray can go past a man, right or left, he’s two footed

[Tambo]

Murray can go past a man, right or left, he’s two footed

How about Yrik Billy? A loan to a league 1 or 2 club?

[Hillsidehibby]

Always amazes me how certain so called supporters are very quick to slate and rubbish some of our players. Only got 1 foot, no composure, 1 trick pony blah blah blah.

Opinions eh?

[Billy Whizz]

How about Yrik Billy? A loan to a league 1 or 2 club?

Yeah he needs to go out on loan, still very light for the top level

[J-C]

Opinions eh?

Too many sometimes.

[Tambo]

Yeah he needs to go out on loan, still very light for the top level

Hopefully he's put on a bit of weight during lockdown.

NHC here... Does anyone think someone will try get dembele on loan from celtic? Didnt feature much last season I don't think.

[MWHIBBIES]

Always amazes me how certain so called supporters are very quick to slate and rubbish some of our players. Only got 1 foot, no composure, 1 trick pony blah blah blah.

''So called supporters''?

Firstly, you can just quote me if you wish to reply to me.

Secondly, I am not a so called supporter, I am a supporter. I follow the club every week, defend the players, team and club through thick and thin. I am as much of a Hibs supporter as anyone in the world.

I said multiple times I like Boyle, think he is an excellent player at this level, seems a nice guy, done well for us, cup winning legend. Does that means he has absolutely no flaws to his game at all?

He does only have 1 foot, so do many quality players. He does sometimes lack composure. Certainly not as much now, I have much more confidence of him scoring chances than I did 18 months ago. He generally does only have one trick, to beat the man with pure pace. It very often works as well.

I don't think acknowledging someones weaknesses is me slating them or rubbishing them?

[bigwheel]

''So called supporters''?

Firstly, you can just quote me if you wish to reply to me.

Secondly, I am not a so called supporter, I am a supporter. I follow the club every week, defend the players, team and club through thick and thin. I am as much of a Hibs supporter as anyone in the world.

I said multiple times I like Boyle, think he is an excellent player at this level, seems a nice guy, done well for us, cup winning legend. Does that means he has absolutely no flaws to his game at all?

He does only have 1 foot, so do many quality players. He does sometimes lack composure. Certainly not as much now, I have much more confidence of him scoring chances than I did 18 months ago. He generally does only have one trick, to beat the man with pure pace. It very often works as well.

I don't think acknowledging someones weaknesses is me slating them or rubbishing them?

Keeping out of the personal exchange..

I think MWH you are underrating the development of Boyle over the last couple of years . My views would have been largely identical to your before then..in fact when he came back from injury I wondered if he would have stalled..but his game awareness and team play seems to have stepped up to another level . He is technically a lot better than a one trick pony..which is sort of what you are implying (not fully but a bit). Unfortunately for us, I think he is ready to move on , to a new level ..and has earned it too .. I think he will do well wherever he goes

[MrRobot]

Well-considered post with which I agree. I'd rather see Fraser Murray given time as back-up for Scott Alan. While you'd no doubt lose Mallan's threat from distance and set-pieces, I don't think he does enough defensively or has the pace or skill to beat a man like Alan can.

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would like to see hallberg get a shot in that advanced role.

[J-C]

''So called supporters''?

Firstly, you can just quote me if you wish to reply to me.

Secondly, I am not a so called supporter, I am a supporter. I follow the club every week, defend the players, team and club through thick and thin. I am as much of a Hibs supporter as anyone in the world.

I said multiple times I like Boyle, think he is an excellent player at this level, seems a nice guy, done well for us, cup winning legend. Does that means he has absolutely no flaws to his game at all?

He does only have 1 foot, so do many quality players. He does sometimes lack composure. Certainly not as much now, I have much more confidence of him scoring chances than I did 18 months ago. He generally does only have one trick, to beat the man with pure pace. It very often works as well.

I don't think acknowledging someones weaknesses is me slating them or rubbishing them?
Getting a bit above yourself here mate, where in my post did I quote you or mention you, why are you making this post a personal attack at me?

My post was a general one aimed at many posters who are always quick to slate our players and very seldom praise them up. If you want to take that as a dig at you then on you go as you obviously seen yourself in my post.

This is also aimed at people who regularly slag off, Hanlon, Stevenson, Gray etc

[MWHIBBIES]

Keeping out of the personal exchange..

I think MWH you are underrating the development and Boyle of the last couple of years . My views would have been largely identical to your before then..in fact when he came back from injury I wondered if he would have stalled..but his game awareness and team play seems to have stepped up to another level . He is technically a lot better than a one trick pony..which is sort of what you are implying (not fully but a bit). Unfortunately for us, I think he is ready to move on , to a new level ..and has earned it to .. I think he will do well wherever he goes

No doubt he has improved massively, it has actually been amazing to see. Probably the biggest improvement I've witnessed from a new signing over their time here. That being said, he still has games where he goes back to those old ways or is anonymous. Brilliant 2 goals away at Hearts, totally missing 3 days later at Livi. Missing against Hearts at home before the lockdown, never really showed much against Celtic and Rangers other than the odd game.

I think he is a brilliant player at this level but I don't see him making the step up.

[Billy Whizz]

It’s gone all quiet on ins and outs at most Scottish teams just now

[Peevemor]

No doubt he has improved massively, it has actually been amazing to see. Probably the biggest improvement I've witnessed from a new signing over their time here. That being said, he still has games where he goes back to those old ways or is anonymous. Brilliant 2 goals away at Hearts, totally missing 3 days later at Livi. Missing against Hearts at home before the lockdown, never really showed much against Celtic and Rangers other than the odd game.

I think he is a brilliant player at this level but I don't see him making the step up.

Pat McGinlay for me.

[MWHIBBIES]

Getting a bit above yourself here mate, where in my post did I quote you or mention you, why are you making this post a personal attack at me?

My post was a general one aimed at many posters who are always quick to slate our players and very seldom praise them up. If you want to take that as a dig at you then on you go as you obviously seen yourself in my post.

This is also aimed at people who regularly slag off, Hanlon, Stevenson, Gray etc

Well, you mentioned the exact things I said, that kind of gave it away...

Seems I was wrong, though, as I do not regularly slag off any Hibs players so you weren't talking about me. My mistake.

[MWHIBBIES]

Pat McGinlay for me.

Never had the pleasure unfortunately. Left a year or so before I started going.

[SHODAN]

The way I see it our squad is just now:

Goalkeeper
First choice: Marciano
Backup: Dabrowski

Right back
First choice: McGinn
Backup 1: Gray
Backup 2: Stirling

Centre back
First choice: Porteous
Second choice: Jackson
Backup 1: Hanlon
Backup 2: McGregor

Left back
First choice: Stevenson
Backup 1: Doig
Backup 2: Mackie

Wide midfield:
First choice: Boyle
Second choice: Wright
Backup 1: Horgan
Backup 2: Murray

Centre midfield:
First choice: Allan
Second choice: Gogic
Backup 1: Newell
Backup 2: Hallberg
Backup 3: Mallan
Backup 4: Murray

Strikers:
First choice: Doidge
Second choice: Nisbet
Backup: Gullan

James and Kamberi not included as expect them to be on the way out.

[J-C]

Well, you mentioned the exact things I said, that kind of gave it away...

Seems I was wrong, though, as I do not regularly slag off any Hibs players so you weren't talking about me. My mistake.

If I wanted to talk about you I'd have quoted you and said so, I've done it before and will do so again, it was a general post on negativity when our season hasn't even begun.

[ian cruise]

Opinions are opinions but I think Mallan is limited in what he gives us his mobility and so lightweight on the ball, he doesn't tackle at all and has no pace to get past anyone or to track a runner... He hasn't been shown to be creative for others either, from what I remember of him early last season was the amount of time he gives the ball away in dangerous areas, I think he gets casual.

Just on that part of your post, while he definitely needs to be more consistent I don't think that's completely fair on Mallan. When he came on in St Mirren to replace Allan he changed the game and was the main person driving us forward. Shuffling him around the various midfield positions has hurt both his career and our opinions/memories of what he can do. Agree that he needs to improve on areas of his game though he's still relatively young.

I know you did go on to talk about positive attributes Mallan shows, I only removed to reduce the length of the quoted post.

[AlbertK86]

The way I see it our squad is just now:

Goalkeeper
First choice: Marciano
Backup: Dabrowski

Right back
First choice: McGinn
Backup 1: Gray
Backup 2: Doig

Centre back
First choice: Porteous
Second choice: Jackson
Backup 1: Hanlon
Backup 2: McGregor

Left back
First choice: Stevenson
Backup 1: Newell
Backup 2: Mackie

Wide midfield:
First choice: Boyle
Second choice: Wright
Backup 1: Horgan
Backup 2: Murray

Centre midfield:
First choice: Allan
Second choice: Gogic
Backup 1: Newell
Backup 2: Hallberg
Backup 3: Mallan
Backup 4: Murray

Strikers:
First choice: Doidge
Second choice: Nisbet
Backup: Gullan

James and Kamberi not included as expect them to be on the way out.

Doig is a left back / LCH / LWB


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[JammyDoidger]

The way I see it our squad is just now:

Goalkeeper
First choice: Marciano
Backup: Dabrowski

Right back
First choice: McGinn
Backup 1: Gray
Backup 2: Doig

Centre back
First choice: Porteous
Second choice: Jackson
Backup 1: Hanlon
Backup 2: McGregor

Left back
First choice: Stevenson
Backup 1: Newell
Backup 2: Mackie

Wide midfield:
First choice: Boyle
Second choice: Wright
Backup 1: Horgan
Backup 2: Murray

Centre midfield:
First choice: Allan
Second choice: Gogic
Backup 1: Newell
Backup 2: Hallberg
Backup 3: Mallan
Backup 4: Murray

Strikers:
First choice: Doidge
Second choice: Nisbet
Backup: Gullan

James and Kamberi not included as expect them to be on the way out.

squad is nowhere near good enough to push for a european place. There's too many that are injury prone aswell. would like us to change the defence, and add another midfielder and goalkeeper. Long way to go before we have what we need, need to get rid of a few!

[hibbysam]

squad is nowhere near good enough to push for a european place. There's too many that are injury prone aswell. would like us to change the defence, and add another midfielder and goalkeeper. Long way to go before we have what we need, need to get rid of a few!

Centre midfield is probably our strongest area. Middle to front is totally fine and plenty of depth. We also have a load of options at the back, and I’m totally fine with us having a young backup keeper who we have high hopes for, rather than *****ing money on someone to sit on the bench. If docherty comes in it’ll add competition and if we add another full back then for me we would be totally done.

[mayo hibee]

The way I see it our squad is just now:

Goalkeeper
First choice: Marciano
Backup: Dabrowski

Right back
First choice: McGinn
Backup 1: Gray
Backup 2: Doig

Centre back
First choice: Porteous
Second choice: Jackson
Backup 1: Hanlon
Backup 2: McGregor

Left back
First choice: Stevenson
Backup 1: Newell
Backup 2: Mackie

Wide midfield:
First choice: Boyle
Second choice: Wright
Backup 1: Horgan
Backup 2: Murray

Centre midfield:
First choice: Allan
Second choice: Gogic
Backup 1: Newell
Backup 2: Hallberg
Backup 3: Mallan
Backup 4: Murray

Strikers:
First choice: Doidge
Second choice: Nisbet
Backup: Gullan

James and Kamberi not included as expect them to be on the way out.


The squad numbers seem to suit us playing three in central midfield and one up front supported by two wide players. If we want to play two up front regularly we'll need to sign another forward as cover, particularly as the one midfield player we have who could provide that cover is the one who is most likely to leave.

To keep costs down I would look at maybe loaning in another forward. Possibilities might be Aitchison or Afolabi at Celtic (assuming Griffiths isn't a possibility) or someone unknown from the English leagues.

[SHODAN]

Doig is a left back / LCH / LWB


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[Hibiza]

Fraser Murray instead of Mallan? That’s mental.

Murray for me.

[Inconsequential]

Murray for me. Live it up.

[mayo hibee]

Seriously, Mallan was our player of the year in 2019. Murray is a young player who hardly ever gets in the team. There isn't even a debate to be had here.

I'd be sending Murray out on loan.

[Stuart93]

I’m no sure Fraser Murray is as good as what people are making him out to be unfortunately

[Since90+2]

I’m no sure Fraser Murray is as good as what people are making him ouut to be unfortunately

I don't think anyone really knows how good he is as he has never had a run of games.

[JohnM1875]

I’m no sure Fraser Murray is as good as what people are making him out to be unfortunately

Totally agree. He's 21 now as well. If he was going to make it at Hibs would have expected to see him play a lot more by now.

Never been overly impressed when he has played. Looks okay in spells.

[The Count]

Well its now or never this season for Murray. Over the years the young players that really make it big at Hibs are playing regularly by 19/20 apart from the odd exception.

[Andy74]

I don't think anyone really knows how good he is as he has never had a run of games.

I’m sure the coaching staff do and they decide who gets a run of games.

[hfc rd]

Can’t remember but did Murray even make any appearances under Jack Ross last season?

[Heisenberg]

Murray for me.

Id say there’s no way Murray deserves to be ahead of Mallan in the pecking order.

[Stuart93]

I don't think anyone really knows how good he is as he has never had a run of games.

Exactly

[Callum_62]

Lol, Fraser Murray ahead of Stevie Mallan

Gies peace.

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[NorthNorfolkHFC]

Murray won’t make it at Hibs. Sad but true. Would be delighted if I was wrong. Sam Stanton mk.2.




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[The 90+2]

Lol, Fraser Murray ahead of Stevie Mallan

Gies peace.

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This.

[we are hibs]

Seen enough of Mallan to say i dont think hes good enough for Hibs.


Havent seen enough of Murray to say either way for him.

[badabing67]

Well its now or never this season for Murray. Over the years the young players that really make it big at Hibs are playing regularly by 19/20 apart from the odd exception.

I think you need to be fair to all the young guys PHB completely stifled there development for 9 months and now this pandemic. He has really held them all back. Glad to see Jack Ross is putting right and giving them a chance, will help us to attract more young players if they see they can get a chance.

[Onceinawhile]

Murray won’t make it at Hibs. Sad but true. Would be delighted if I was wrong. Sam Stanton mk.2.




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I'm fairly sure Sam stanton played and scored quite a few times by this age.

Unfortunately fraser Murray has one memorable assist to his name and little else.

[JammyDoidger]

Centre midfield is probably our strongest area. Middle to front is totally fine and plenty of depth. We also have a load of options at the back, and I’m totally fine with us having a young backup keeper who we have high hopes for, rather than *****ing money on someone to sit on the bench. If docherty comes in it’ll add competition and if we add another full back then for me we would be totally done.

marciano gets injured we are left with a young untried goalkeeper, who makes the bench? goalie is a must!

Defence, It's more a case of getting rid of a few to bring in players that will make more of an impact. As much as I love gray and Mcgregor they aren't going to play every week, and are past their best. Not sure Mcginn is good enough to be a regular starter for a team pushing for europe, certainly not in an attacking sense, so again I'd look to trim that especially getting rid of James and bring in a regular starter. On the other side Stevenson isn't good enough and that's our first choice left back so we need to let him or mackie go and find someone to come in and nail that position. Centre backs, I'm not Hanlon's biggest fan he's too soft for me but he's left sided so will do, Porteous has potential but is a work In progress, still too rash. Jackson is ok, done well this year. Least of our priority's is the centre of defence I suppose. But if we were bringing in a CB it would need to be left sided.

Midfield I'm happy with Gogic holding, with Allan, Newell and Mallan. Wouldn't be upset to see Hallberg leave as I'm not sure what his strengths actually are, don't think he's particularly good at anything tbh. Murray again if he's not had a breakthrough yet he's probably not good enough. Wingers are ok aslong as we can keep boyle.

strikers, happy with what we've got, perhaps bringing in one more, wouldn't be against Simon murray particularly if we are playing 2 upfront which looks likely.

Quality over quantity. That's the way forward.

[Since452]

I’m no sure Fraser Murray is as good as what people are making him out to be unfortunately

Falling into the trap we've seen many times before. Players who ultimately aren't good enough being shown blind loyalty by some fans because they've come through the system. Shaw, Harris, Handling, Stanton etc. Murray over Mallan ffs heard it all now

[500miles]

I'm fairly sure Sam stanton played and scored quite a few times by this age.

Unfortunately fraser Murray has one memorable assist to his name and little else.

Fraser has played 1089 minutes for the first team, scored 4 and assisted 2. Essentially 12 games, 4 goals, 2 assists.

Per minute, his stats are pretty sound and he can feel hard done by not to get a chance, especially when Lennon fell out with Swanson and we ended up playing Bartley in the middle and McGeough out wide.

[Fergus52]

squad is nowhere near good enough to push for a european place. There's too many that are injury prone aswell. would like us to change the defence, and add another midfielder and goalkeeper. Long way to go before we have what we need, need to get rid of a few!

How do you make that out? Aberdeen haven't really strengthened significantly and Motherwell Killie Livingston have all lost a few first team players.

Our squad on paper is easily 4th best in the league, but don't let that get in the way of you having a wee moan.

[The Modfather]

Fraser has played 1089 minutes for the first team, scored 4 and assisted 2. Essentially 12 games, 4 goals, 2 assists.

Per minute, his stats are pretty sound and he can feel hard done by not to get a chance, especially when Lennon fell out with Swanson and we ended up playing Bartley in the middle and McGeough out wide.

I’ve posted the article before that analysed SPL clubs and bringing youngsters through from 2009 - 2019. Hibs faired poorly in relation to giving youngsters their debut, and more importantly, how many minutes those youngsters played. So I do have a lot of sympathy with the likes of Shaw & Murray and how poorly managed they have been.

On the other hand, the likes of Porteous and Shaw have shown that despite Hibs’ flawed approach to bringing youngsters through the last 10 years or so, it’s still possible to get into the team and at least threaten to become a first team regular. For me Murray is symptomatic of the wider problem we have with our youth development, he’s been poorly managed, but at this point he shouldn’t still be at Hibs. He’s taking up a place In the squad that the age groups beneath him should now be occupying (and be given an actual chance) IMO.

[Bronson]

I don’t get the fraser murray hype, the boys i go to games with have watched him through the youth teams and rate him so highly but i just don’t see it. I don’t even know what position he is never mind what kind of player. I know he’s a midfielder but is he a cm? A wide midfielder? An attacking mid? He seems to bring nothing to the table whenever i watch him, no pace, no dig, no great shot or whipped cross. I just don’t get it.

Would take stevie mallan over him every day of the week.

[JammyDoidger]

How do you make that out? Aberdeen haven't really strengthened significantly and Motherwell Killie Livingston have all lost a few first team players.

Our squad on paper is easily 4th best in the league, but don't let that get in the way of you having a wee moan.

sorry but I totally disagree. Aberdeen, and motherwell are better than us, and livi seem to know how to grind results out. We don't.

[500miles]

sorry but I totally disagree. Aberdeen, and motherwell are better than us, and livi seem to know how to grind results out. We don't.

Our core problem was a lack of athleticism and ability to challenge in midfield. Gogic will help with that, as will a fit Newell.

[supermcginn]

How do you make that out? Aberdeen haven't really strengthened significantly and Motherwell Killie Livingston have all lost a few first team players.

Our squad on paper is easily 4th best in the league, but don't let that get in the way of you having a wee moan.
Middle to front maybe so but our defence is poor, very poor.

[Unseen work]

Murray better than Mallan?! What am I reading. The lack of respect on here for Mallan is frightening, he’s only turned 24 this year which is still relatively young. By the time he was Murray’s age he had played close to 100 games for St Mirren, scored a heap of goals and got a move to Barnsley in the championship.

Since moving to us he has scored 14 goals in 2 seasons from centre mid, often the deep lying playmaker role.

Murray has scored 4 goals for us - Turriff, Alloa, Montrose and Arbroath, all in the challenge cup/pre season like games. The most noticeable thing he has done in the first team was a good assist against Aberdeen.

Mallan has brilliant technique, passing ability, shooting ability and great at set pieces. If used correctly, in an attacking manner he could be brilliant, imo he should be used similar to Kris Commons at Celtic. He is still young and learning like I said, he still has a lot of potential.

Mallan may not be the best defensively but he is head and shoulders better at it than Murray who doesn’t seem to get criticised on that side of his game.

I also don’t think Murray looks particularly fast or mobile for a 21 year old, always looks quite slow to me.

With Murray I really want him to succeed and play well but every time he comes on I just don’t see it. He rarely beat his man or creates anything, tends to come on and keep it very safe almost like he’s scared to make a mistake.

[Kato]

Our core problem was a lack of athleticism and ability to challenge in midfield. Gogic will help with that, as will a fit Newell.Playing Gogic will improve all our defenders performances.

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[JammyDoidger]

Our core problem was a lack of athleticism and ability to challenge in midfield. Gogic will help with that, as will a fit Newell.

the amount of crosses we allow into our box is unbelievable! Stevenson is bottom 6 standard, so is Mcginn. That's the reality of it. The full backs need upgraded.