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theonlywayisup
26-07-2023, 11:46 AM
The lack of creativity and goal threat from midfield is my worry. I feel that we've got good players, but not confident that we've the players who can turn games our way at key stages of the game.

jeffers
26-07-2023, 11:50 AM
I’m really happy with our transfer business. I don’t think there’s any doubt we need another striker but until we get one, ALF will be fine, I think he is being written off a bit too quickly.

I do worry about cover for the wings though. If Youann or Boyle get injured I worry about who we bring in. Need a bit more depth in there too imo.

Hopefully Dan Mackay gets a chance.

ancient hibee
26-07-2023, 11:55 AM
It's amazing how things change over a short period of time.
1. We sign Youan for reportedly a decent fee right at the start of the window. One of our most exciting signings (IMO) in recent times. We also signed ALF. Now we have posters complaining we didn't sign any strikers/forward players early enough.
2. Before his injury there were many posters on here continually castigating Nisbet. Now he's turned into a combination of Shearer/Lineker/Baker (had to include Joe) and the same posters are wondering how we'll survive without him!


Exactly.I wonder who our main fit striker this time last year was?

Allant1981
26-07-2023, 11:55 AM
Fish and Youan don't strengthen us, but they do give us continuity. I don't think I rate Youan as much as you guys though and don't see him replacing Nisbet's goals.

The others you mention, are they really any better than we we had last season? Might be i guess, but the signings don't excite me.

I also think people are putting way too much faith in Boyle's return. I doubt he'll be the same player as the one that left us.

That's not a criticism of anyone, or me having a go at the club, just my wee opinion, that I appreciate counts for nowt!

Youan most definitely improves us and i dont think he was ever signed to score the amount that nisbet scored, thats not his game, who knows with the others as you say but you could say the same for almost every player we have ever signed. One of them is a current international goalkeeper so he must be half decent? Levitt started 3 games for his country last season also so yes I'd say he is an improvememt

Aldo
26-07-2023, 11:58 AM
Hopefully Dan Mackay gets a chance.

Hope so too.

Since452
26-07-2023, 11:58 AM
Have we ever spent a million in one transfer window before?

Allant1981
26-07-2023, 12:00 PM
The lack of creativity and goal threat from midfield is my worry. I feel that we've got good players, but not confident that we've the players who can turn games our way at key stages of the game.

Campbell is surely the current goal threat? Started pre season strongly, but agree, if he isn't scoring then we lack goals from midfield

Trinity Hibee
26-07-2023, 12:00 PM
Exactly.I wonder who our main fit striker this time last year was?

Not sure what your point is there? We struggled to score goals because we didn’t have a recognised forward. Myko started slow, Boyle only played a handful of games before injury and nisbet was still out. We struggled to score goals up to the world cup when nisbet returned

Since452
26-07-2023, 12:00 PM
The lack of creativity and goal threat from midfield is my worry. I feel that we've got good players, but not confident that we've the players who can turn games our way at key stages of the game.

Campbell almost got double figures last season. That's brilliant for a midfielder. He's a very good pre season too.

.Sean.
26-07-2023, 12:02 PM
Worryingly I have a feeling he’ll start the season as number 1 as well.
I don’t think he will. Pretty telling that Hanlon was captain on Friday night even though Marshall started in goals

NC1875
26-07-2023, 12:02 PM
Funny how everyone shouting about needing a striker. We’ve signed ALF who has scored goals at every club He’s played at throughout his career.

Do people think because he’s 36 he’ll only be able to play 20 mins a game or something 😕

Given services he’ll score goals. And I’m positive we’ll sign another striker anyway.

HIBS NUTS
26-07-2023, 12:03 PM
I’m positive about the window, so far, i think getting a director of football, seems to have helped with moving things on quicker.
Just a pity that Doig tranfer saga, has stalled, and the money we would be due.
Unfortunately i think the italians appear to be contriving a way out of not paying the sell on.
Mabye we are waiting on this, to be able to move forward with other transfers. 😞

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2023, 12:07 PM
It's amazing how things change over a short period of time.
1. We sign Youan for reportedly a decent fee right at the start of the window. One of our most exciting signings (IMO) in recent times. We also signed ALF. Now we have posters complaining we didn't sign any strikers/forward players early enough.
2. Before his injury there were many posters on here continually castigating Nisbet. Now he's turned into a combination of Shearer/Lineker/Baker (had to include Joe) and the same posters are wondering how we'll survive without him!

The key point there is that it was before his injury. Nisbet at the end of last season is a huge loss and that’s what we’re comparing ourselves to at this point. 21/22 Nisbet before his injury wouldn’t have been.

B.H.F.C
26-07-2023, 12:16 PM
Youan most definitely improves us and i dont think he was ever signed to score the amount that nisbet scored, thats not his game, who knows with the others as you say but you could say the same for almost every player we have ever signed. One of them is a current international goalkeeper so he must be half decent? Levitt started 3 games for his country last season also so yes I'd say he is an improvememt

We need to be looking for 15 plus from Youan this season.

He got 9 last season having only really turned up for half the season. He does improve us from last season if he finds that form over the course of the season rather than after Christmas.

Since452
26-07-2023, 12:20 PM
We need to be looking for 15 plus from Youan this season.

He got 9 last season having only really turned up for half the season. He does improve us from last season if he finds that form over the course of the season rather than after Christmas.

I think a lot of that was due to him settling in and getting used to football in Scotland. I think this could be a huge season for him.

Real Emerald
26-07-2023, 12:26 PM
I think the club have changed their signing strategy and what they’ve done so far in this window is good and a real step forward to improving the squad for the future. My point was that as we stand now we are quite weak going into the Euro ties and start of the season. Boyle is still out recovering and hasn’t kicked a ball in a competitive game for 10 months. We’ve lost our experienced right wingback which will be covered by one of 2 inexperienced players, we’ve signed a good new young centre half and left back who will probably not start in our Euro tie due to their inexperience, and we haven’t yet replaced Nisbets quality up front. In other words I’m really pleased with the way the squad is shaping up but think due to match fitness, inexperience, signings still to come in and injuries, we will be in a weaker position than I’d like to to be in to start the season and compete in Europe. That is an observation and not a criticism of the club.

Jones28
26-07-2023, 12:26 PM
Funny how everyone shouting about needing a striker. We’ve signed ALF who has scored goals at every club He’s played at throughout his career.

Do people think because he’s 36 he’ll only be able to play 20 mins a game or something 😕

Given services he’ll score goals. And I’m positive we’ll sign another striker anyway.

I think we needed a striker this time last season, especially with Doidges fitness questionable at the time.

Now with Nisbet gone fans are, quite rightly, expecting a bit of a marquee type signing to replace him.

We need 2 this window, we've got 1 so far.

Jones28
26-07-2023, 12:28 PM
We need to be looking for 15 plus from Youan this season.

He got 9 last season having only really turned up for half the season. He does improve us from last season if he finds that form over the course of the season rather than after Christmas.

If we got 10 goals each out Le Fondre, Doidge, Boyle and Youan plus a 15-20 goal striker to come in we would beat last seasons total of 57 goals from our strikers alone.

MWHIBBIES
26-07-2023, 12:32 PM
Funny how everyone shouting about needing a striker. We’ve signed ALF who has scored goals at every club He’s played at throughout his career.

Do people think because he’s 36 he’ll only be able to play 20 mins a game or something 😕

Given services he’ll score goals. And I’m positive we’ll sign another striker anyway.

I think he can play 90 minutes, I just don't think he is very good anymore.

Lone strikers need to do much more than ''given service he'll score goals''. Nisbet created many of his own last season. ALF was really poor first half on Friday.

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2023, 12:32 PM
We need to be looking for 15 plus from Youan this season.

He got 9 last season having only really turned up for half the season. He does improve us from last season if he finds that form over the course of the season rather than after Christmas.

Anything around the double figures mark is enough from our wide men imo, especially if they don’t take set pieces.

Hopefully Youan and Boyle can get 8-12 each and we can get a striker who will get 15+. If Levitt can get 5 or 6 and Campbell can get similar then we’ll be in a decent place.

I personally don’t hold out a lot of hope that any of the strikers on our books will get more than a few so the striker is an absolute must.

Winston Ingram
26-07-2023, 12:32 PM
Funny how everyone shouting about needing a striker. We’ve signed ALF who has scored goals at every club He’s played at throughout his career.

Do people think because he’s 36 he’ll only be able to play 20 mins a game or something 😕

Given services he’ll score goals. And I’m positive we’ll sign another striker anyway.

I wouldn't bet on it. I was absolutely stunned we went for him. His last decent season in the UK was a decade ago.

He then kicked about League 1 before having his contract terminated and hoping it to Oz in 2018.

As a regular viewer of the A-League, the standard is poor, but he did do well there for the first 3 years but it was obvious he was on the slide during his last 2 seasons. The consesus in the Sydney fan's forums was that they fully expected him to retire.

On top of that, he's the type of striker that is only really any good with a partner and LJ doesn't play that way.

Springbank
26-07-2023, 12:36 PM
Funny how everyone shouting about needing a striker. We’ve signed ALF who has scored goals at every club He’s played at throughout his career.

Do people think because he’s 36 he’ll only be able to play 20 mins a game or something ��

Given services he’ll score goals. And I’m positive we’ll sign another striker anyway.

I'm sure he's capable of more than 20min per game

What I think, though, is he's a very smart signing that could be used the way Gerrard often used Defoe at Rangers - a natural poacher, to come off the bench, in games where you've got a lot of the ball (especially at home) when the opposition defences are tiring a little, and where chances will present themselves.

I've no doubt he can do more than that, but I see that supersub role as being perfect for a guy with his skills, experience, hunger to score, and taking age & stamina & the pace of SPFL football into account

Smartie
26-07-2023, 12:38 PM
Funny how everyone shouting about needing a striker. We’ve signed ALF who has scored goals at every club He’s played at throughout his career.

Do people think because he’s 36 he’ll only be able to play 20 mins a game or something ��

Given services he’ll score goals. And I’m positive we’ll sign another striker anyway.

I was actually incredibly impressed by how sharp McGeady was at his age when he was fit. Obviously being made of glass proved to be a bit of a problem getting him on the pitch showing it regularly but it showed how nimble someone who looks after themselves can be at that age. I'd argue that Lewis Stevenson has looked as physically able in recent years as he ever has.

So it's not impossible that ALF could be fit enough to play a major role for us. I'm maybe a bit suspicious that he seems to have played at a lower level for a few years but I'm not writing him off until I've seen him play a few times.

Allant1981
26-07-2023, 12:52 PM
I wouldn't bet on it. I was absolutely stunned we went for him. His last decent season in the UK was a decade ago.

He then kicked about League 1 before having his contract terminated and hoping it to Oz in 2018.

As a regular viewer of the A-League, the standard is poor, but he did do well there for the first 3 years but it was obvious he was on the slide during his last 2 seasons. The consesus in the Sydney fan's forums was that they fully expected him to retire.

On top of that, he's the type of striker that is only really any good with a partner and LJ doesn't play that way.

Was he not scoring a goal every 2 games last season?

badabing67
26-07-2023, 01:00 PM
Off topic but according to the Daily Record tomorrow's game will be streamed on BBC iPlayer with commentary from KO

How to watch Hibs face Inter Club d'Escaldes with live stream, TV and kick-off details in Europa Conference League - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-watch-hibs-face-inter-30557728)

Hibernian: BBC Scotland to show both legs of Euro tie with Inter Club d'Escaldes live - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66312305)

B.H.F.C
26-07-2023, 01:46 PM
Anything around the double figures mark is enough from our wide men imo, especially if they don’t take set pieces.

Hopefully Youan and Boyle can get 8-12 each and we can get a striker who will get 15+. If Levitt can get 5 or 6 and Campbell can get similar then we’ll be in a decent place.

I personally don’t hold out a lot of hope that any of the strikers on our books will get more than a few so the striker is an absolute must.

Think Youan will still play through the middle on occasion by the time we have injuries, change shape now and again, hence why I expect a good number from him.

Agree re strikers. Think Le Fondre could be useful and will chip in with a few goals, just not playing week in, week out.

King Cosell
26-07-2023, 02:02 PM
If (and it's a big if) McGeady & Murphy can stay fit, it could be an exciting season for Ayr Utd fans. Like a mini version of Best & Marsh at Fulham in the 70s.

badabing67
26-07-2023, 02:08 PM
Seen there is a trialist playing for the development side today anyone got idea who it is

Bushwoof
26-07-2023, 02:24 PM
Only about 160 players have ever won the EPL player of the month award. ALF has won it the same number of times as Cantona, Beckham, Robben, Klinsmann, Zlatan, Dzeko and, er, Steven Fletcher.

I think we should give him a bit more respect.

Since452
26-07-2023, 02:25 PM
If (and it's a big if) McGeady & Murphy can stay fit, it could be an exciting season for Ayr Utd fans. Like a mini version of Best & Marsh at Fulham in the 70s.

McGeady will run riot in that league IF he stays fit.

Brightside
26-07-2023, 02:26 PM
I think he can play 90 minutes, I just don't think he is very good anymore.

Lone strikers need to do much more than ''given service he'll score goals''. Nisbet created many of his own last season. ALF was really poor first half on Friday.

Don’t think he’s very good anymore based on what?

CapitalGreen
26-07-2023, 02:28 PM
Seen there is a trialist playing for the development side today anyone got idea who it is

https://villarrealcf.es/en/player/m-cuadros/

Since452
26-07-2023, 02:40 PM
https://villarrealcf.es/en/player/m-cuadros/

Interesting!

Jones28
26-07-2023, 02:51 PM
https://villarrealcf.es/en/player/m-cuadros/

19 year old right back.

badabing67
26-07-2023, 02:51 PM
https://villarrealcf.es/en/player/m-cuadros/

Miguel Cuadros Fernandez right sided defender transfer market has as playing anywhere down the right but preferred position right back..... Thanks good info

Gmack7
26-07-2023, 02:56 PM
https://villarrealcf.es/en/player/m-cuadros/

Apologies if I'm missing something, is he the trialist?

badabing67
26-07-2023, 02:56 PM
CapitalGreen are at the game

badabing67
26-07-2023, 02:57 PM
Apologies if I'm missing something, is he the trialist?

Yes i think so

007
26-07-2023, 03:07 PM
Don’t think he’s very good anymore based on what?

The 1st half on Friday apparently. Competitive matches not even started yet and he's already been written off.

CapitalGreen
26-07-2023, 03:10 PM
CapitalGreen are at the game

Nope

badabing67
26-07-2023, 03:14 PM
Nope

:aok:

Steve20
26-07-2023, 03:45 PM
I wouldn't bet on it. I was absolutely stunned we went for him. His last decent season in the UK was a decade ago.

He then kicked about League 1 before having his contract terminated and hoping it to Oz in 2018.

As a regular viewer of the A-League, the standard is poor, but he did do well there for the first 3 years but it was obvious he was on the slide during his last 2 seasons. The consesus in the Sydney fan's forums was that they fully expected him to retire.

On top of that, he's the type of striker that is only really any good with a partner and LJ doesn't play that way.

He scored 13 goals in 24 games last season. Ok, the standard is poor, but the SPFL is a poor standard as well. So I totally see why he's here. He's not coming in as a starter, as we're clearly looking to sign another striker.

hibee1875
26-07-2023, 03:52 PM
Can’t wait till we get a new no9 in so folk can stop wetting their pants about ALF

Paul1642
26-07-2023, 03:56 PM
Can’t wait till we get a new no9 in so folk can stop wetting their pants about ALF

Yep, means ALF will get more of a chance form the fans also. Feel like the people rajing at the club for not signing a number 9 yet will take it out on him if he goes a few games without a goal.

BoomtownHibees
26-07-2023, 04:00 PM
Hanlon named as captain for the season

Just_Jimmy
26-07-2023, 04:04 PM
Hanlon named as captain for the seasonBrilliant. As I said this time last season, he should never have lost it and it was a disgrace that he did.

He's a legend and he's hibs through and through.

Congratulations Paul. Back where you belong. Leading OUR great club.

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California-Hibs
26-07-2023, 04:05 PM
Hanlon named as captain for the season

Sorry but I’m pretty disappointed with that news. I think Hanlons best years are behind him and we should be looking for better. This now means he’s a starter. Personally would have given it to Newell.

JohnM1875
26-07-2023, 04:06 PM
Sorry but I’m pretty disappointed with that news. I think Hanlons best years are behind him and we should be looking for better. This now means he’s a starter. Personally would have given it to Newell.

Of course he's a starter. He's comfortably our best defender.

Just_Jimmy
26-07-2023, 04:07 PM
Sorry but I’m pretty disappointed with that news. I think Hanlons best years are behind him and we should be looking for better. This now means he’s a starter. Personally would have given it to Newell.Dross. He's our best defender by a mile.

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500miles
26-07-2023, 04:07 PM
Hanlon named as captain for the season

I don't think LJ appreciated how good he was.

007
26-07-2023, 04:10 PM
Brilliant. As I said this time last season, he should never have lost it and it was a disgrace that he did.

He's a legend and he's hibs through and through.

Congratulations Paul. Back where you belong. Leading OUR great club.

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Didn't have a problem with Marshall being given the captaincy due to his experience and nearly 50 international caps. Also happy to see it given back to Hanlon who seemed to just get on with it and didn't throw his toys out of the pram.

It suggests that Marshall might not be 1st choice and I suppose, by the same token, Hanlon probably will be.

BoomtownHibees
26-07-2023, 04:11 PM
Was maybe in Marshall’s contract that he would be made captain in his first season or something. I don’t think many at the club thought it was ideal the goalie being captain

Willis1875
26-07-2023, 04:13 PM
Sorry but I’m pretty disappointed with that news. I think Hanlons best years are behind him and we should be looking for better. This now means he’s a starter. Personally would have given it to Newell.

He’s off the back of a very good season,why would he not be a starter?

B.H.F.C
26-07-2023, 04:13 PM
Sorry but I’m pretty disappointed with that news. I think Hanlons best years are behind him and we should be looking for better. This now means he’s a starter. Personally would have given it to Newell.

He was never not going to be a starter. He was good for most of the second half of the season and had a good partnership with Fish.

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2023, 04:15 PM
Of course he's a starter. He's comfortably our best defender.

:agree:

Since452
26-07-2023, 04:16 PM
I'll trust the manager but I personally wouldn't have had Hanlon starting. Just my opinion. Looks like curtains for Marshall though.

Libby Hibby
26-07-2023, 04:17 PM
Sorry but I’m pretty disappointed with that news. I think Hanlons best years are behind him and we should be looking for better. This now means he’s a starter. Personally would have given it to Newell.

‘Disappointed’, really?

Obvious choice and makes it easier to swap the goalies if required.

greenginger
26-07-2023, 04:18 PM
Sorry but I’m pretty disappointed with that news. I think Hanlons best years are behind him and we should be looking for better. This now means he’s a starter. Personally would have given it to Newell.

when David Grey was captain he was never considered an automatic starter

California-Hibs
26-07-2023, 04:19 PM
Of course he's a starter. He's comfortably our best defender.

Who’s his competition? I mean we’ve needed to upgrade our defense for years, it’s one of the main reasons for our league finishes being what they are over the past X amount of years. Hanlon has and had good attributes but look how often he’s completely bullied. If we get Fish I’d have hoped we could have tried a new partnership out in Fish and Harbottle. I rate Hanlon over Rocky though and there’s no coincidence our form went up after he was out the team.

I just think we need a freshness in there. Hopefully Harbottle proves to be a brilliant signing in defense and goes on to do well in there for us for years.

JohnM1875
26-07-2023, 04:22 PM
Who’s his competition? I mean we’ve needed to upgrade our defense for years, it’s one of the main reasons for our league finishes being what they are over the past X amount of years. Hanlon has and had good attributes but look how often he’s completely bullied. If we get Fish I’d have hoped we could have tried a new partnership out in Fish and Harbottle. I rate Hanlon over Rocky though and there’s no coincidence our form went up after he was out the team.

I just think we need a freshness in there. Hopefully Harbottle proves to be a brilliant signing in defense and goes on to do well in there for us for years.

We'll always need upgrades on players though. That's for every position on the pitch.

You always start your best team though, and for me, no matter what combo of two or three at the back we go with, Hanlon will start cause he's our best defender.

Obviously Hope Harbottle turns into a player and pushes Hanlon for that LCB position this season.

California-Hibs
26-07-2023, 04:22 PM
‘Disappointed’, really?

Obvious choice and makes it easier to swap the goalies if required.

For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.

Hibbyradge
26-07-2023, 04:24 PM
For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.

You obviously didn't watch the games we played when Paul was mic'd up. He never stops talking, helping and encouraging.

Willis1875
26-07-2023, 04:24 PM
For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.

You won’t get any of that from Newell either imo

Unseen work
26-07-2023, 04:25 PM
Happy with Hanlon as captain.

From the outside looking in I would personally have picked Newell but I think Hanlon is a sensible option for his experience, length of time and quality of player.

CapitalGreen
26-07-2023, 04:25 PM
I'll trust the manager but I personally wouldn't have had Hanlon starting. Just my opinion. Looks like curtains for Marshall though.

Bar the period Rocky played last season, Hibs have had the best defence outwith the Old Firm for the last 3 years. Hanlon definitely deserves to be a starter alongside Fish going into the new season.

lyonhibs
26-07-2023, 04:26 PM
Sorry but I’m pretty disappointed with that news. I think Hanlons best years are behind him and we should be looking for better. This now means he’s a starter. Personally would have given it to Newell.

He was a starter with or without the armband and rightly so

McGhee
26-07-2023, 04:26 PM
Paul Hanlon thoroughly deserves the captaincy. He's like a fine wine. Gets better with age. I'm also hoping that Will Fish comes back, Rocky has had the training he needs to improve, and that Harbottle shows up with the potential that he has. When Will Fish returns, I think we've got as good a defensive spine as any team out-with the uglies.

Stairway 2 7
26-07-2023, 04:28 PM
We wouldn't have been relegated if Hanlon never got injured and he played a huge part in winning the cup. Club legend gets captaincy is fine with me

brog
26-07-2023, 04:36 PM
For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.

So he's a real soft touch and often completely bullied. That will be why he's so respected by his fellow players, coaches and managers then. Just maybe you should take the blinkers off and appreciate Paul's outstanding service to our club.

Hibees1973
26-07-2023, 04:40 PM
I guess we will know a lot more about our new signings and how we are shaping up after tomorrow's game. It's good we are now able to see it.

Let's not f***y about. From what I saw about this Andorran mob last week, Hibs should take 4 or 5 off them.

Don't want to hear anything like 'oh the heat', 'but the pitch is cr*p', 'oh, it's still early'. Time for the our old players and new signings to rock up tomorrow and show what they are about.

Vital that they hit the ground running and provide some evidence they can give this Swedish lot a game in a couple of weeks.

Callum_62
26-07-2023, 04:45 PM
I guess we will know a lot more about our new signings and how we are shaping up after tomorrow's game. It's good we are now able to see it.

Let's not f***y about. From what I saw about this Andorran mob last week, Hibs should take 4 or 5 off them.

Don't want to hear anything like 'oh the heat', 'but the pitch is cr*p', 'oh, it's still early'. Time for the our old players and new signings to rock up tomorrow and show what they are about.

Vital that they hit the ground running and provide some evidence they can give this Swedish lot a game in a couple of weeks.

couldn't care less as long as we get through

its also early

B.H.F.C
26-07-2023, 04:46 PM
I guess we will know a lot more about our new signings and how we are shaping up after tomorrow's game. It's good we are now able to see it.

Let's not f***y about. From what I saw about this Andorran mob last week, Hibs should take 4 or 5 off them.

Don't want to hear anything like 'oh the heat', 'but the pitch is cr*p', 'oh, it's still early'. Time for the our old players and new signings to rock up tomorrow and show what they are about.

Vital that they hit the ground running and provide some evidence they can give this Swedish lot a game in a couple of weeks.

Do you no think some of those things make a difference?

Even if we go out and win 4-0 it doesn’t tell us much about anyone given the opposition.

We’ll win the tie comfortably.

Smartie
26-07-2023, 04:47 PM
I don't think LJ appreciated how good he was.

I think he underestimated both Hanlon and Stevenson to begin with, before being won over by both.

Hanlon was still recovering from injury at the start of last season iirc so whilst giving the captaincy to Marshall seemed harsh, if there were any doubts over Hanlon's recovery from injury at that stage maybe it was a reasonable move?

JimBHibees
26-07-2023, 04:50 PM
couldn't care less as long as we get through

its also early

Yes this is all about winning and moving on with no injuries or suspensions. Game last season and the recent Gibraltar team game showed they are horrible teams to play against. Score and performance would be good however bottom line get a win.

CapitalGreen
26-07-2023, 05:09 PM
I guess we will know a lot more about our new signings and how we are shaping up after tomorrow's game. It's good we are now able to see it.

Let's not f***y about. From what I saw about this Andorran mob last week, Hibs should take 4 or 5 off them.

Don't want to hear anything like 'oh the heat', 'but the pitch is cr*p', 'oh, it's still early'. Time for the our old players and new signings to rock up tomorrow and show what they are about.

Vital that they hit the ground running and provide some evidence they can give this Swedish lot a game in a couple of weeks.

Good to lay down your reasons for a multi-paragraph moan early doors just in case anyone is still unsure at that this stage where you stand on our recent transfer dealings.

jacomo
26-07-2023, 05:09 PM
For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.


You also demanded Lewis leave our club years ago. Maybe your opinion is wrong?

JammyDoidger
26-07-2023, 05:10 PM
Sorry but I’m pretty disappointed with that news. I think Hanlons best years are behind him and we should be looking for better. This now means he’s a starter. Personally would have given it to Newell.

So are Marshall's, based on last seasons contribution I'd rather have Hanlon in the side than Marshall, having said that i never thought of Hanlon as a captain either but he is one of our longest serving players, knows the club inside out, more to being a captain than what meets the eye. Who knows maybe Marshall decided to give it up.

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2023, 05:11 PM
I don't think LJ appreciated how good he was.
Played him often enough last year so I'd say he did appreciate how good he was in fairness. It was just always going to be either Marshall or Hanlon for captain last year . Probably Marshal got it for being the more experienced of the two. Glad Paul's got it now though. Absolute legend :not worth

SlickShoes
26-07-2023, 05:14 PM
For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.

Hanlon is an amazing example for everyone playing for hibs present and future.

He is plenty loud and communicates with his team mates effectively. He doesn't put in reckless tackles because he is a good defender that doesn't need to.

There is the odd occasion where he has a bad game, or he gets a bit bullied by a giant 6ft8 guy, but he never gives up and overall he's extremely consistent and great hibs player still.

Stokesy's on fire
26-07-2023, 05:17 PM
For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.

So you want a nut job as captain? No thanks

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2023, 05:23 PM
For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.

Paul Hanlon is vocal and one thing he's not is a soft touch either . A captain doesn't have to rant and rave to be good at it and getting in a refs face will normally lead to a booking , I think Hanlon's wise and experienced enough to know that it doesn't get you anywhere and his leadership will be done in a controlled and measured manner like he's done before as captain. Excellent choice imo .

inglisavhibs
26-07-2023, 05:42 PM
For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.
What a load of nonsense. Hanlon will be a starter until we get a better defender. How do you know what he is saying on the pitch. Just because he's not loud doesn't mean he is not helping others on the pitch. Every manager bar none has made Paul a starter, and some will only realise what we have when he's too old and retires.

MWHIBBIES
26-07-2023, 05:47 PM
Who’s his competition? I mean we’ve needed to upgrade our defense for years, it’s one of the main reasons for our league finishes being what they are over the past X amount of years. Hanlon has and had good attributes but look how often he’s completely bullied. If we get Fish I’d have hoped we could have tried a new partnership out in Fish and Harbottle. I rate Hanlon over Rocky though and there’s no coincidence our form went up after he was out the team.

I just think we need a freshness in there. Hopefully Harbottle proves to be a brilliant signing in defense and goes on to do well in there for us for years.

We literally had our most cleansheets in 20 years 2 seasons ago with Hanlon playing every week. Then in the following season, under Ross/Maloney our defense was about the only thing that worked.

Our defense being an issue for years just isn't backed up by stats.

Hanlon being captain is well deserved.

Since90+2
26-07-2023, 05:49 PM
I think this site has probably had more Hanlon debates than any other topic over the years.

He's a good player (at Scottish Premier League level), and a good professional who will set a standard you'd want other players to follow on terms of professionalism.

Is he a fantastic centre half and someone, in IMO atleast, who comes across as a born leader and someone who will pull the team forward at times of adversity ? Probably not from what I've witnessed over the years, but that doesn't make him a bad captain or a bad player.

We'll end up with views at extremes at other ends of the spectrum though.

ancient hibee
26-07-2023, 05:51 PM
Not sure what your point is there? We struggled to score goals because we didn’t have a recognised forward. Myko started slow, Boyle only played a handful of games before injury and nisbet was still out. We struggled to score goals up to the world cup when nisbet returned
The point I was making is that posters are complaining we are worse off now but in fact a year ago as your post makes clear we were in a much worse position.

MWHIBBIES
26-07-2023, 05:51 PM
For me a captain leads by example and is also a vocal point. Hanlon has proved time and time again that he has a real soft touch. He barely ever gets in a ref’s face to stick up for a team mate or fight our cause for a potential penalty etc. barely is seen rallying the troops firing people up, crunching into a challenge to set a tone etc.

To each their own but I’m looking for something different in a Captain and not just longevity of years.


Ryan Porteous done all those things. He won **** all at Hibs and never won a derby.


Hanlon has always done his talking by playing football to the best of his ability. Very 1980s to expect a captain to be shouting and screaming and smashing into people. Just about the greatest and most successful captain ever, Paolo Maldini, done his talking by playing football and doing his job better than anyone else. Thats what we should be after.

''soft touch'' patter is just pish and wrong.

Hibees1973
26-07-2023, 05:56 PM
Good to lay down your reasons for a multi-paragraph moan early doors just in case anyone is still unsure at that this stage where you stand on our recent transfer dealings.

Hmm, thought my rant was a bit thinly veiled.

Just cannot see who we have signed has improved us, but will find out in a few weeks.

Since90+2
26-07-2023, 05:58 PM
Ryan Porteous done all those things. He won **** all at Hibs and never won a derby.


Hanlon has always done his talking by playing football to the best of his ability. Very 1980s to expect a captain to be shouting and screaming and smashing into people. Just about the greatest and most successful captain ever, Paolo Maldini, done his talking by playing football and doing his job better than anyone else. Thats what we should be after.

''soft touch'' patter is just pish and wrong.

I'm not sure what Porteous has to do with this debate. Nobody had mentioned him, apart from you, you've just decided to slate him for no reason whatsoever.

Since you have though, anyone who's watched him for Scotland can see he's a level above Hanlon. There's a reason he's now a Scotland regular whilst Hanlon's entire Scotland career is a 15 minute cameo in a friendly.

That's not slating Hanlon before anyone jumps in, it's just a fairly obvious observation of their levels.

MWHIBBIES
26-07-2023, 06:01 PM
I'm not sure what Porteous has to do with this debate. Nobody had mentioned him, apart from you, you've just decided to slate him for no reason whatsoever.

Since you have though, anyone who's watched him for Scotland can see he's a level above Hanlon. There's a reason he's now a Scotland regular whilst Hanlon's entire Scotland career is a 15 minute cameo in a friendly.

That's not slating Hanlon before anyone jumps in, it's just a fairly obvious observation of their levels.

Yes.

But the point is, he did all of those things. Moaned, shouted, snapped opposition players, got in the refs face. It done absolutely nothing for us. It isn't important.

Porteous is an excellent player, I never suggested otherwise. Fish and Hanlon were a better combo and both of them concentrated on doing their jobs.

Since90+2
26-07-2023, 06:04 PM
Yes.

But the point is, he did all of those things. Moaned, shouted, snapped opposition players, got in the refs face. It done absolutely nothing for us. It isn't important.

Porteous is an excellent player, I never suggested otherwise. Fish and Hanlon were a better combo and both of them concentrated on doing their jobs.

You shoehorned him into the debate for no reason at all, to have a pop about "winning **** all" at Hibs, like that means anything. Do you realise how many quality players at Hibs won "**** all"?

Utterly pointless argument.

Hibees1973
26-07-2023, 06:06 PM
Hanlon can tend to be the one who gets beat with a stick when things aren't going well as he has been here for so long.

He is an average SPFL centre half, no more than that. No other club has offered decent money for Hibs to sell him and he has only won one or two caps. His caps and appearances in the Scotland squad have mainly been due to the 7 or 8 players ahead of him being unavailable.

A durable, loyal player.

MWHIBBIES
26-07-2023, 06:06 PM
You shoehorned him into the debate for no reason at all, to have a pop about "winning **** all" at Hibs, like that means anything. Do you realise how many quality players at Hibs won "**** all"?

Utterly pointless argument.

Stop arguing with me then if you think its pointless. I agree with you.

I used him as an example, nothing more.

Since90+2
26-07-2023, 06:07 PM
Stop arguing with me then if you think its pointless. I agree with you.

I used him as an example, nothing more.

It seems like you've accepted the won **** all quip was utterly daft. Atleast we agreed on that.

MWHIBBIES
26-07-2023, 06:10 PM
It seems like you've accepted the won **** all quip was utterly daft. Atleast we agreed on that.

Jesus, you really want to go don't you.

He did win nothing, despite doing all of the things the person I was replying to wanted a Hibs player to do. It didn't work. Not even to win a derby. That was my point, nothing more. I never questioned his quality.

Moaning at refs doesn't make Ryan or anyone else a better player.

Please stop before this becomes a shambles of a discussion. Its getting there already.

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2023, 06:13 PM
Hmm, thought my rant was a bit thinly veiled.

Just cannot see who we have signed has improved us, but will find out in a few weeks.
All our signings has improved us in one way or another and add competition for places in our first team . Don't really get the negativity about any of our signing's tbh as I think we have recruited well so far . :confused:

Since90+2
26-07-2023, 06:15 PM
Jesus, you really want to go don't you.

He did win nothing, despite doing all of the things the person I was replying to wanted a Hibs player to do. It didn't work. Not even to win a derby. That was my point, nothing more. I never questioned his quality.

Moaning at refs doesn't make Ryan or anyone else a better player.

Please stop before this becomes a shambles of a discussion. Its getting there already.

If you hadn't make such a ridiculous point about winning nothing, you'd not be getting pulled up on it.

Admit you were wrong and move on, or just don't respond, but that seems impossible for you to do.

Smartie
26-07-2023, 06:18 PM
Hanlon can tend to be the one who gets beat with a stick when things aren't going well as he has been here for so long.

He is an average SPFL centre half, no more than that. No other club has offered decent money for Hibs to sell him and he has only won one or two caps. His caps and appearances in the Scotland squad have mainly been due to the 7 or 8 players ahead of him being unavailable.

A durable, loyal player.

I suspect we'll realise how above average Hanlon is / was when he's retired.

He's been a great player for us for a very long time who has always been missed when out of the side and our good fortunes have tended to coincide with times when he's been at his best.

Hibees1973
26-07-2023, 06:18 PM
Admin, Admin where are you.

Getting a bit tasty here.

Hibbyradge
26-07-2023, 06:25 PM
couldn't care less as long as we get through

its also early

And it'll be hot.

Paul1642
26-07-2023, 06:27 PM
Ryan Porteous done all those things. He won **** all at Hibs and never won a derby.


Hanlon has always done his talking by playing football to the best of his ability. Very 1980s to expect a captain to be shouting and screaming and smashing into people. Just about the greatest and most successful captain ever, Paolo Maldini, done his talking by playing football and doing his job better than anyone else. Thats what we should be after.

''soft touch'' patter is just pish and wrong.

Not my take on the the Hanlon debate as I think he had been a great servant to Hibs and still has a part to play as next years captain, but Hanlon was Porto’s defensive partner when he was winning “no Derby’s and **** all”.

Aldo
26-07-2023, 06:28 PM
Hanlon can tend to be the one who gets beat with a stick when things aren't going well as he has been here for so long.

He is an average SPFL centre half, no more than that. No other club has offered decent money for Hibs to sell him and he has only won one or two caps. His caps and appearances in the Scotland squad have mainly been due to the 7 or 8 players ahead of him being unavailable.

A durable, loyal player.

You keep going on about no one else wanting to pay money for Hanlon. What’s that got to do with it and why is it a measure of his ability etc.

Nothing wrong with being a one club man!
I think this has already been mentioned but our dip in form the year we were relegated was down to him being injured.

Real Emerald
26-07-2023, 06:29 PM
And it'll be hot.

And the pitch will be bumpy, the mozzies biting and the ref will have a nightmare! Lucky if we get a win in those circumstances! 😂

CapitalGreen
26-07-2023, 06:30 PM
Hanlon can tend to be the one who gets beat with a stick when things aren't going well as he has been here for so long.

He is an average SPFL centre half, no more than that. No other club has offered decent money for Hibs to sell him and he has only won one or two caps. His caps and appearances in the Scotland squad have mainly been due to the 7 or 8 players ahead of him being unavailable.

A durable, loyal player.

How do you know no one has offered decent money for Hanlon?

Hibbyradge
26-07-2023, 06:31 PM
And the pitch will be bumpy, the mozzies biting and the ref will have a nightmare! Lucky if we get a win in those circumstances! 😂

The players will have had a long journey to recover from.

Paul1642
26-07-2023, 06:32 PM
And the pitch will be bumpy, the mozzies biting and the ref will have a nightmare! Lucky if we get a win in those circumstances! 😂

Don’t get me started on our key players being unavailable.

Bridge hibs
26-07-2023, 06:33 PM
The players will have had a long journey to recover from.

And that jet lag will play a big part too

Real Emerald
26-07-2023, 06:33 PM
The players will have had a long journey to recover from.

Especially with players who are inexperienced drinkers getting tanked up on the duty free bar on the plane. Nae chance TBH. 😂

SHODAN
26-07-2023, 06:33 PM
You keep going on about no one else wanting to pay money for Hanlon. What’s that got to do with it and why is it a measure of his ability etc.

Nothing wrong with being a one club man!
I think this has already been mentioned but our dip in form the year we were relegated was down to him being injured.

Liverpool were interested in him when he was on loan at At Johnstone in 2009.

Since90+2
26-07-2023, 06:34 PM
How do you know no one has offered decent money for Hanlon?

Of course none of us can ever be certain, but I genuinely can't remember him ever being linked with a move away in his time with us. I think he was potentially going to Aberdeen when his contract was due to expire, but nothing ever as a transfer.

That could be because any interest in his entire career about a big money move has ever made it into the press in 10 years or so, or it's never actually happened.

Depending on what side of the debate you fall on, you'll pick which one it is.

MWHIBBIES
26-07-2023, 06:35 PM
If you hadn't make such a ridiculous point about winning nothing, you'd not be getting pulled up on it.

Admit you were wrong and move on, or just don't respond, but that seems impossible for you to do.

Oh god, are you the forum police, ''pulling me up'' for something I've done wrong. Grow up.

Are you actually reading my posts? Seriously? I've actually agreed with you multiple times now. You continue to miss the point totally.

How about you don't reply? Do us all a favor.

Silky
26-07-2023, 06:37 PM
You obviously didn't watch the games we played when Paul was mic'd up. He never stops talking, helping and encouraging.

I agree. I think he is great at that and I also feel he played a big part in Will Fish's development. I also think he's well respected amongst the players so I think he does the role well. However, where I do agree with what Californa said is that I also think he is far too timid around referees and fighting our corner. I've though that for years. He's never questioning decisions, giving them something to think about, challenging them and I think that does have an impact on matches. We need more of that imo.

Since90+2
26-07-2023, 06:37 PM
How about you don't reply? Do us all a favor.

If this is satire, then it's 10/10.

SaulGoodman
26-07-2023, 06:56 PM
There’s a thread about Hanlon being made Captain that this pish would be better suited in.

Unless we can make a thread where the same posters can constantly reply to each other and not clog up other threads.

brog
26-07-2023, 07:13 PM
Hanlon can tend to be the one who gets beat with a stick when things aren't going well as he has been here for so long.

He is an average SPFL centre half, no more than that. No other club has offered decent money for Hibs to sell him and he has only won one or two caps. His caps and appearances in the Scotland squad have mainly been due to the 7 or 8 players ahead of him being unavailable.

A durable, loyal player.

You just described Calum McGregor! :wink:

Hibees1973
26-07-2023, 07:14 PM
There’s a thread about Hanlon being made Captain that this pish would be better suited in.

Unless we can make a thread where the same posters can constantly reply to each other and not clog up other threads.

Eloquently put and to the point. :aok:

Lago
26-07-2023, 07:14 PM
Can’t wait till we get a new no9 in so folk can stop wetting their pants about ALF
Don't worry they will find plenty of other problem players to wet their pants over.

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2023, 07:16 PM
Liverpool were interested in him when he was on loan at At Johnstone in 2009.

They were :agree:

Keepthefaith
26-07-2023, 07:24 PM
There’s a thread about Hanlon being made Captain that this pish would be better suited in.

Unless we can make a thread where the same posters can constantly reply to each other and not clog up other threads.

Well said, it's like being party to the bickering of a bitter married couple at times! We've had the same arguments being peddled for the last couple of years...

04Sauzee
26-07-2023, 07:26 PM
Don't think we will be after him but Jamie McGrath is available for free.

Wonder if Hearts are interested.

Keepthefaith
26-07-2023, 07:28 PM
Don't think we will be after him but Jamie McGrath is available for free.

Wonder if Hearts are interested.

Having seen some of our young lads, I don't think we'll be signing anyone like him. IMO all resources now should be focussed solely on a striker...

007
26-07-2023, 07:31 PM
How do you know no one has offered decent money for Hanlon?

My thoughts exactly. There will be approaches/bids for various players that get rejected that we never hear about. There might have been enquiries which were non-starters because Hanlon himself wasn't interested so were knocked on the head before getting to the stage of an offer. Aberdeen were reportedly sniffing about at one point so it's not as if no other club has ever been interested.

007
26-07-2023, 07:35 PM
Don't think we will be after him but Jamie McGrath is available for free.

Wonder if Hearts are interested.

Terminated his contract due to repeated late payment of wages so I'd guess he's got another club lined up.

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2023, 07:37 PM
Terminated his contract due to repeated late payment of wages so I'd guess he's got another club lined up.

Wonder if they’re still doing that?

Sure they got taken over so you’d presume that had stopped?

Real Emerald
26-07-2023, 07:40 PM
Terminated his contract due to repeated late payment of wages so I'd guess he's got another club lined up.

There was a big hype about him when we were rumoured to be interested under Jack Ross but anytime I’ve seen him he just looks like a run if the mill journeyman midfielder. Not a bad player but nothing special that elevates him from any other run of the mill Scottish Premiership midfielder. It’s maybe just me but I didn’t understand any of the hype.

.Sean.
26-07-2023, 07:42 PM
How do you know no one has offered decent money for Hanlon?
Were Aberdeen not sniffing about him a few years back when McInnes was there?

Bridge hibs
26-07-2023, 07:48 PM
Were Aberdeen not sniffing about him a few years back when McInnes was there?Yes a few years back

Aberdeen have today been linked with a move for Hibernian defender Paul
Hanlon.
STV report the cup winning centre half is in talks with the Dons over a summer move to Pittodrie.

The 26-year-old has spent his entire career to date with the Edinburgh side but his contract expires this summer and Derek McInnes has reportedly targeted the former Scotland Under-21 captain as the man to strengthen the heart of his defence.

Hanlon was a key man for Alan Stubbs this season, making 44 appearances and scoring two goals

GordonHFC
26-07-2023, 07:50 PM
Yes a few years back

Aberdeen have today been linked with a move for Hibernian defender Paul
Hanlon.
STV report the cup winning centre half is in talks with the Dons over a summer move to Pittodrie.

The 26-year-old has spent his entire career to date with the Edinburgh side but his contract expires this summer and Derek McInnes has reportedly targeted the former Scotland Under-21 captain as the man to strengthen the heart of his defence.

Hanlon was a key man for Alan Stubbs this season, making 44 appearances and scoring two goals

I'm sure this was just after the cup final 2016.

badabing67
26-07-2023, 07:55 PM
Yes a few years back

Aberdeen have today been linked with a move for Hibernian defender Paul
Hanlon.
STV report the cup winning centre half is in talks with the Dons over a summer move to Pittodrie.

The 26-year-old has spent his entire career to date with the Edinburgh side but his contract expires this summer and Derek McInnes has reportedly targeted the former Scotland Under-21 captain as the man to strengthen the heart of his defence.

Hanlon was a key man for Alan Stubbs this season, making 44 appearances and scoring two goals



No doubt he stayed with us on less money

K-Zazu
26-07-2023, 07:58 PM
Yes a few years back

Aberdeen have today been linked with a move for Hibernian defender Paul
Hanlon.
STV report the cup winning centre half is in talks with the Dons over a summer move to Pittodrie.

The 26-year-old has spent his entire career to date with the Edinburgh side but his contract expires this summer and Derek McInnes has reportedly targeted the former Scotland Under-21 captain as the man to strengthen the heart of his defence.

Hanlon was a key man for Alan Stubbs this season, making 44 appearances and scoring two goals

They offered him a 3 year deal I think

McGhee
26-07-2023, 08:03 PM
Paul Hanlon. What else can we say about him? Other than Hibernian Club Legend, Brilliant person, All round great guy, Scottish Cup Winner. Hope he goes on to become a Hibernian Manager, after taking his badges. Imagine him, Lewy, and Big Daz in the dugouts, giving it laldy.

Legend. :hibees

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2023, 08:07 PM
I think McGrath would be a handy player to have in all honesty . He's really an attacking midfielder which we only have one off in Campbell . He can also play LW or RW which would give us extra cover in them position's as well .

007
26-07-2023, 08:08 PM
Wonder if they’re still doing that?

Sure they got taken over so you’d presume that had stopped?

I expect that legally they were still able to terminate the contracts even though the club is now under new ownership. It kind of says so in the article below and that the club tried to keep them. Also says it looks like McGrath is returning to Scottish football.

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/massive-blow-as-wigan-athletic-lose-services-of-pair-due-to-late-wage-payment-fiasco-4233529

Brightside
26-07-2023, 08:09 PM
Yes a few years back

Aberdeen have today been linked with a move for Hibernian defender Paul
Hanlon.
STV report the cup winning centre half is in talks with the Dons over a summer move to Pittodrie.

The 26-year-old has spent his entire career to date with the Edinburgh side but his contract expires this summer and Derek McInnes has reportedly targeted the former Scotland Under-21 captain as the man to strengthen the heart of his defence.

Hanlon was a key man for Alan Stubbs this season, making 44 appearances and scoring two goals

Paul was offered a **** load more to join Aberdeen. People that talk him down simply know nothing about football. But I’d guess the posters well before I read back this post. 😂. He’s massively respected by his team, by his managers, by referees and by all professionals. All that know a damn site more than anyone on the forum.

Bridge hibs
26-07-2023, 08:11 PM
I expect that legally they were still able to terminate the contracts even though the club is now under new ownership. It kind of says so in the article below and that the club tried to keep them. Also says it looks like McGrath is returning to Scottish football.

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/massive-blow-as-wigan-athletic-lose-services-of-pair-due-to-late-wage-payment-fiasco-4233529

Swap for Henderson, Maloney was keen on him before wasnt he ?

Probably still end up at hearts as they were reportedly interested in McGrath

CropleyWasGod
26-07-2023, 08:15 PM
I expect that legally they were still able to terminate the contracts even though the club is now under new ownership. It kind of says so in the article below and that the club tried to keep them. Also says it looks like McGrath is returning to Scottish football.

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/massive-blow-as-wigan-athletic-lose-services-of-pair-due-to-late-wage-payment-fiasco-4233529

The new company can take over the employees of the old company, but the employees aren't obliged to accept the new company's employment. It's similar to the Rangers situation, when Naismith and Whittaker refused to be transferred over.

04Sauzee
26-07-2023, 08:19 PM
Swap for Henderson, Maloney was keen on him before wasnt he ?

Probably still end up at hearts as they were reportedly interested in McGrath

He wouldn't be a swap as he's not contracted to Wigan anymore.

Hibbyradge
26-07-2023, 08:25 PM
Swap for Henderson, Maloney was keen on him before wasnt he ?

Probably still end up at hearts as they were reportedly interested in McGrath

No need to swap anyone if he's a free agent.

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2023, 08:27 PM
Swap for Henderson, Maloney was keen on him before wasnt he ?

Probably still end up at hearts as they were reportedly interested in McGrath

Maloney tried to get Henderson in on loan though the player rejected the move after Hibs had accepted it was the rumour.

If McGrath is coming back to Scotland it's either us , Aberdeen or hertz . Think hertz probably the most likely tbh . Didn't mcpartlin say in a article awhile back we weren't interested or after him though?

Steven79
26-07-2023, 08:30 PM
Maloney tried to get Henderson in on loan though the player rejected the move after Hibs had accepted it was the rumor.

If McGrath is coming back to Scotland it's either us , Aberdeen or hertz . Think hertz probably the most likely tbh . Didn't mcpartlin say in a article awhile back we weren't interested or after him though?What if Naismith wants him? [emoji1787]

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007
26-07-2023, 08:32 PM
The new company can take over the employees of the old company, but the employees aren't obliged to accept the new company's employment. It's similar to the Rangers situation, when Naismith and Whittaker refused to be transferred over.

Didn't think there was a new company. I thought the new owner came in, all debts were paid and it stayed the same company. So more along the lines of when Ron took over Hibs (though Hibs obviously weren't in Administration).

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2023, 08:35 PM
What if Naismith wants him? [emoji1787]

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He will probably have to ask the hearts manager can he have him 😂😂😂

CropleyWasGod
26-07-2023, 08:36 PM
Didn't think there was a new company. I thought the new owner came in, all debts were paid and it stayed the same company. So more along the lines of when Ron took over Hibs (though Hibs obviously weren't in Administration).

Serves me right for not checking :greengrin

Yeah,you're right:-

https://wiganathletic.com/news/2023/june/14/club-statement-a-company-backed-by-mike-danson-acquires-wigan-athletic-football-club/

So he's terminated his contract as the club breached it.

Steven79
26-07-2023, 08:40 PM
He will probably have to ask the hearts manager can he have him [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]Probably not far from the truth! [emoji1787]

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Bridge hibs
26-07-2023, 08:42 PM
No need to swap anyone if he's a free agent.Yeah I realise that now 😃

007
26-07-2023, 08:43 PM
Serves me right for not checking :greengrin

Yeah,you're right:-

https://wiganathletic.com/news/2023/june/14/club-statement-a-company-backed-by-mike-danson-acquires-wigan-athletic-football-club/

So he's terminated his contract as the club breached it.

👍

Will be interesting to see where he ends up. My guess is it won't be long until we find out.

Gmack7
26-07-2023, 08:47 PM
Is Jason Kerr in the same position?

JohnM1875
26-07-2023, 08:50 PM
Is Jason Kerr in the same position?

Nah, not yet anyway. But Jack Whatmough is and I'd take him at Hibs.

brog
26-07-2023, 09:01 PM
Hanlon can tend to be the one who gets beat with a stick when things aren't going well as he has been here for so long.

He is an average SPFL centre half, no more than that. No other club has offered decent money for Hibs to sell him and he has only won one or two caps. His caps and appearances in the Scotland squad have mainly been due to the 7 or 8 players ahead of him being unavailable.

A durable, loyal player.

Apologies for perpetuating this debate but criticising PH for only winning 'one or two caps' is possibly the most ludicrous comment ever on this board. Paul has 1 cap more than Alec Edwards, Alan Gordon, Jimmy O, Mickey Weir and SDG combined. For a Hibs fan to denigrate a Hibs legend by saying he only has 1 cap is beyond comprehension.

Fanforlife
26-07-2023, 09:06 PM
Apologies for perpetuating this debate but criticising PH for only winning 'one or two caps' is possibly the most ludicrous comment ever on this board. Paul has 1 cap more than Alec Edwards, Alan Gordon, Jimmy O, Mickey Weir and SDG combined. For a Hibs fan to denigrate a Hibs legend by saying he only has 1 cap is beyond comprehension.👍👍👍👍👍

HoboHarry
26-07-2023, 09:16 PM
Apologies for perpetuating this debate but criticising PH for only winning 'one or two caps' is possibly the most ludicrous comment ever on this board. Paul has 1 cap more than Alec Edwards, Alan Gordon, Jimmy O, Mickey Weir and SDG combined. For a Hibs fan to denigrate a Hibs legend by saying he only has 1 cap is beyond comprehension.

Excellent response, well said :agree:

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2023, 09:27 PM
Nah, not yet anyway. But Jack Whatmough is and I'd take him at Hibs.

A few championship clubs after him I read . Getting called some rough names on the Wigan forum . Not a happy bunch of fans .

JammyDoidger
26-07-2023, 10:41 PM
Will fish leaving LA going by his instagram story, on track to be home by the 29th then..

Winston Ingram
27-07-2023, 05:21 AM
The new company can take over the employees of the old company, but the employees aren't obliged to accept the new company's employment. It's similar to the Rangers situation, when Naismith and Whittaker refused to be transferred over.

That’s only the case if they go into Liquidation. Wigan didn’t even go in to administration, they failed to pay some players and as a result, breached their contracts and as a result, are free to go.

Winston Ingram
27-07-2023, 05:22 AM
Is Jason Kerr in the same position?

He’s still out with a bust cruciate.

Paulie Walnuts
27-07-2023, 07:31 AM
Is Jason Kerr in the same position?

Think it was suggested they were still paying their bigger players, obviously to avoid a situation where they could walk away as well.

CropleyWasGod
27-07-2023, 07:48 AM
That’s only the case if they go into Liquidation. Wigan didn’t even go in to administration, they failed to pay some players and as a result, breached their contracts and as a result, are free to go.

See my later post. :aok:

Since452
27-07-2023, 07:58 AM
I think McGrath would be a handy player to have in all honesty . He's really an attacking midfielder which we only have one off in Campbell . He can also play LW or RW which would give us extra cover in them position's as well .

He's alright but wouldn't be guaranteed a start here i don't think.

easty
27-07-2023, 08:07 AM
Apologies for perpetuating this debate but criticising PH for only winning 'one or two caps' is possibly the most ludicrous comment ever on this board. Paul has 1 cap more than Alec Edwards, Alan Gordon, Jimmy O, Mickey Weir and SDG combined. For a Hibs fan to denigrate a Hibs legend by saying he only has 1 cap is beyond comprehension.

:agree:

Darren McGregor didn't get a cap either, in the same position, in the same era.

Hanlon doesn't get nearly enough respect from some Hibs fans.

Since452
27-07-2023, 08:10 AM
Hanlon can tend to be the one who gets beat with a stick when things aren't going well as he has been here for so long.

He is an average SPFL centre half, no more than that. No other club has offered decent money for Hibs to sell him and he has only won one or two caps. His caps and appearances in the Scotland squad have mainly been due to the 7 or 8 players ahead of him being unavailable.

A durable, loyal player.

I think that's pretty accurate. The caps should be applauded not used against him though. I think we should start to be phasing Hanlon out and building for the future IMO. It isn't Hanlon's fault (and i'd add Stevenson in to that) that he keeps getting picked. We obviously haven't found anyone better in the managers eyes. That's down to recruitment. Would Hanlon or Stevenson be starters for Hearts or Aberdeen? Very much doubt it. If they are the best we have it is what it is. We've (hopefully) got a lot of games this season so we're going to need the whole squad at times this season. That includes Rocky, Harbottle, Fish, Obita etc. Depending on form our starters may change anyway.

Paulie Walnuts
27-07-2023, 08:14 AM
I think that's pretty accurate. I think we should start to be phasing Hanlon out and building for the future IMO. It isn't Hanlon's fault (and i'd add Stevenson in to that) that he keeps getting picked. We obviously haven't found anyone better in the managers eyes. That's down to recruitment. Would Hanlon or Stevenson be starters for Hearts or Aberdeen? Very much doubt it. If they are the best we have it is what it is. We've (hopefully) got a lot of games this season so we're going to need the whole squad at times this season. That includes Rocky, Harbottle, Fish, Obita etc. Depending on form our starters may change anyway.

Hanlon would absolutely start for both Hearts and Aberdeen. Aberdeen had Scales and that boy from Wycombe last season ffs, they’re atrocious. He’s probably the best centre half any of the 3 clubs have.

I’d rather have Stevenson than Cochrane as well, would maybe give Hearts Kingsley though. Although in saying that, Stevenson would probably see him off like he does everyone else.

Just_Jimmy
27-07-2023, 08:18 AM
I think that's pretty accurate. The caps should be applauded not used against him though. I think we should start to be phasing Hanlon out and building for the future IMO. It isn't Hanlon's fault (and i'd add Stevenson in to that) that he keeps getting picked. We obviously haven't found anyone better in the managers eyes. That's down to recruitment. Would Hanlon or Stevenson be starters for Hearts or Aberdeen? Very much doubt it. If they are the best we have it is what it is. We've (hopefully) got a lot of games this season so we're going to need the whole squad at times this season. That includes Rocky, Harbottle, Fish, Obita etc. Depending on form our starters may change anyway.Hanlon is better than any centre half at Hibs, Hearts or Aberdeen.

On a separate matter, Lewis could have one leg, I wouldn't pick a Hearts or Aberdeen player ahead of him.

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BoomtownHibees
27-07-2023, 08:31 AM
Fish incoming

Paulie Walnuts
27-07-2023, 08:31 AM
Fish about to be announced

H18 SFR
27-07-2023, 08:32 AM
Brilliant news.

Brightside
27-07-2023, 08:33 AM
Can we stop panicking for a day now.

Bushwoof
27-07-2023, 08:35 AM
Hanlon would absolutely start for both Hearts and Aberdeen. Aberdeen had Scales and that boy from Wycombe last season ffs, they’re atrocious. He’s probably the best centre half any of the 3 clubs have.

I’d rather have Stevenson than Cochrane as well, would maybe give Hearts Kingsley though. Although in saying that, Stevenson would probably see him off like he does everyone else.

Kingsley is a terrible player. Takes a great free kick, which is the only thing that gets him a game.

Paul1642
27-07-2023, 08:37 AM
Scenes when we announce Connor Salmon at 10am.

Springbank
27-07-2023, 08:38 AM
Hanlon would absolutely start for both Hearts and Aberdeen. Aberdeen had Scales and that boy from Wycombe last season ffs, they’re atrocious. He’s probably the best centre half any of the 3 clubs have.

I’d rather have Stevenson than Cochrane as well, would maybe give Hearts Kingsley though. Although in saying that, Stevenson would probably see him off like he does everyone else.

I appreciate this small aside is a bit nerdy, but it's important to me to say it.

Further back in this thread, someone said a throwaway line about Paul Hanlon only playing for Scotland in a friendly. Two things to say

First, even if it had been a friendly, it's an incredible achievement to play for your country as Hibs captain, so it felt disrespectful to say it.

But more importantly, it was totally wrong. Paul came on in a competitive fixture, which ended in Scotland beating a team of the quality of the Czech Republic, keeping a clean sheet, and it was the result that propelled Scotland to the Euros playoffs iirc, eliminating the Czechs from the equation.

I'll give you full disclosure, I'm a fan of Hanlon's, and a supporter of the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation, so feel free to write off my opinion here if you'd like.

But to be Hibs captain, making your debut (at the very business end, in a crunch fixture that opens up a major tournament's playoffs to the nation) - that's worthy of greater respect, in my view.

MWHIBBIES
27-07-2023, 08:39 AM
Great news to get fish done. Good work Hibs. Striker soon please

MrRobot
27-07-2023, 08:43 AM
Can we stop panicking for a day now.

But we don’t have any strikers, other than the strikers we have :greengrin

Lendo
27-07-2023, 08:45 AM
Great news to get fish done. Good work Hibs. Striker soon please

Plenty of teams been in for him so to get this done is a big win for us.

Alex Trager
27-07-2023, 08:45 AM
Can we stop panicking for a day now.

The concern is the striker mate.
I personally gave been relaxed about the back line since RH was announced, at the same time Fish was all but announced as well.

We are looking significantly better at the back now.

Striker is still a massive gap though.

Paulie Walnuts
27-07-2023, 08:46 AM
I appreciate this small aside is a bit nerdy, but it's important to me to say it.

Further back in this thread, someone said a throwaway line about Paul Hanlon only playing for Scotland in a friendly. Two things to say

First, even if it had been a friendly, it's an incredible achievement to play for your country as Hibs captain, so it felt disrespectful to say it.

But more importantly, it was totally wrong. Paul came on in a competitive fixture, which ended in Scotland beating a team of the quality of the Czech Republic, keeping a clean sheet, and it was the result that propelled Scotland to the Euros playoffs iirc, eliminating the Czechs from the equation.

I'll give you full disclosure, I'm a fan of Hanlon's, and a supporter of the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation, so feel free to write off my opinion here if you'd like.

But to be Hibs captain, making your debut (at the very business end, in a crunch fixture that opens up a major tournament's playoffs to the nation) - that's worthy of greater respect, in my view.

:agree:

Well said.

Bridge hibs
27-07-2023, 08:47 AM
Scenes when we announce Connor Salmon at 10am.🤣

Hibbyradge
27-07-2023, 08:47 AM
I appreciate this small aside is a bit nerdy, but it's important to me to say it.

Further back in this thread, someone said a throwaway line about Paul Hanlon only playing for Scotland in a friendly. Two things to say

First, even if it had been a friendly, it's an incredible achievement to play for your country as Hibs captain, so it felt disrespectful to say it.

But more importantly, it was totally wrong. Paul came on in a competitive fixture, which ended in Scotland beating a team of the quality of the Czech Republic, keeping a clean sheet, and it was the result that propelled Scotland to the Euros playoffs iirc, eliminating the Czechs from the equation.

I'll give you full disclosure, I'm a fan of Hanlon's, and a supporter of the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation, so feel free to write off my opinion here if you'd like.

But to be Hibs captain, making your debut (at the very business end, in a crunch fixture that opens up a major tournament's playoffs to the nation) - that's worthy of greater respect, in my view.

:not worth

Brightside
27-07-2023, 08:59 AM
The concern is the striker mate.
I personally gave been relaxed about the back line since RH was announced, at the same time Fish was all but announced as well.

We are looking significantly better at the back now.

Striker is still a massive gap though.

Get your Red Ballons ready.

GloryGlory
27-07-2023, 09:01 AM
https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1684488799768969216

BoyledEgg
27-07-2023, 09:01 AM
Fish signed

I'm_cabbaged
27-07-2023, 09:01 AM
Get your Red Ballons ready.

99?

Shrekko
27-07-2023, 09:02 AM
I appreciate this small aside is a bit nerdy, but it's important to me to say it.

Further back in this thread, someone said a throwaway line about Paul Hanlon only playing for Scotland in a friendly. Two things to say

First, even if it had been a friendly, it's an incredible achievement to play for your country as Hibs captain, so it felt disrespectful to say it.

But more importantly, it was totally wrong. Paul came on in a competitive fixture, which ended in Scotland beating a team of the quality of the Czech Republic, keeping a clean sheet, and it was the result that propelled Scotland to the Euros playoffs iirc, eliminating the Czechs from the equation.

I'll give you full disclosure, I'm a fan of Hanlon's, and a supporter of the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation, so feel free to write off my opinion here if you'd like.

But to be Hibs captain, making your debut (at the very business end, in a crunch fixture that opens up a major tournament's playoffs to the nation) - that's worthy of greater respect, in my view.

I’m also a massive fan of Paul but your post is slightly wrong. It was a competitive fixture but in the end it didn’t propel us to the play-offs. It put us in a great position to be promoted in the Nations League but we ended up not managing it that time. We ended up making the play-offs anyway by being second in our actual qualifying group behind Denmark.

GloryGlory
27-07-2023, 09:03 AM
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/will-fish-returns-on-loan

Only downside - "review in January 2024".

DownInAlbion
27-07-2023, 09:06 AM
https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1684191833751003138

Did Jamie McGrath start for our development squad yesterday or is it another McGrath?

Juice-Terry
27-07-2023, 09:07 AM
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/will-fish-returns-on-loan

Only downside - "review in January 2024".

Agreed. Far from ideal.

BoomtownHibees
27-07-2023, 09:08 AM
https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1684191833751003138

Did Jamie McGrath start for our development squad yesterday or is it another McGrath?

Joseph McGrath

MWHIBBIES
27-07-2023, 09:08 AM
Agreed. Far from ideal.

Think it will be mostly there to make sure he's playing and progressing. If not, they'll take him back.

Aldo
27-07-2023, 09:08 AM
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/will-fish-returns-on-loan

Only downside - "review in January 2024".

I’m going to hope that’s a return if he’s not getting a game.

Juice-Terry
27-07-2023, 09:08 AM
Think it will be mostly there to make sure he's playing and progressing. If not, they'll take him back.
I hope so, but I doubt it.

MWHIBBIES
27-07-2023, 09:11 AM
I hope so, but I doubt it.

Why? Because we've had 1 bad experience with Arsenal?

DownInAlbion
27-07-2023, 09:12 AM
Joseph McGrath

Any reason he’s not on any of the squad lists on the website?

Stokesy's on fire
27-07-2023, 09:13 AM
The review will be in Manchester Uniteds favour. Thats the downside of a loan they hold the cards and lets say WF performs well another club with money could come in and buy him for a good fee in January.

Eaststand
27-07-2023, 09:13 AM
I appreciate this small aside is a bit nerdy, but it's important to me to say it.

Further back in this thread, someone said a throwaway line about Paul Hanlon only playing for Scotland in a friendly. Two things to say

First, even if it had been a friendly, it's an incredible achievement to play for your country as Hibs captain, so it felt disrespectful to say it.

But more importantly, it was totally wrong. Paul came on in a competitive fixture, which ended in Scotland beating a team of the quality of the Czech Republic, keeping a clean sheet, and it was the result that propelled Scotland to the Euros playoffs iirc, eliminating the Czechs from the equation.

I'll give you full disclosure, I'm a fan of Hanlon's, and a supporter of the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation, so feel free to write off my opinion here if you'd like.

But to be Hibs captain, making your debut (at the very business end, in a crunch fixture that opens up a major tournament's playoffs to the nation) - that's worthy of greater respect, in my view.

Very good post this, well said 👍

GGTTH

MWHIBBIES
27-07-2023, 09:13 AM
The review will be in Manchester Uniteds favour. Thats the downside of a loan they hold the cards and lets say WF performs well another club with money could come in and buy him for a good fee in January.

And he could say no thank you.

.Sean.
27-07-2023, 09:14 AM
Not ideal, from thinking we had him possibly on a permanent to potentially losing him halfway through the season

CapitalGreen
27-07-2023, 09:14 AM
Any reason he’s not on any of the squad lists on the website?

He’s only 15/16

DownInAlbion
27-07-2023, 09:15 AM
He’s only 15/16

Cheers 👍🏻

Stokesy's on fire
27-07-2023, 09:16 AM
And he could say no thank you.

He could...

Alex Trager
27-07-2023, 09:17 AM
99?

Took me a while!

Unseen work
27-07-2023, 09:17 AM
Brilliant to see Fish back.

Review seems a bit off as I imagine man United could have sent him “to a higher level” already.

Maybe the want the European experience of the first half of the season.

Either way I’d rather a good player for 6 months than not at all

I'm_cabbaged
27-07-2023, 09:18 AM
Took me a while!

Hope he’s right!!!

GloryGlory
27-07-2023, 09:18 AM
The review will be in Manchester Uniteds favour. Thats the downside of a loan they hold the cards and lets say WF performs well another club with money could come in and buy him for a good fee in January.

I wonder if the review has been the reason for the hold up because it looked like the loan for a full season was agreed about two weeks ago. Maybe Man U put that in at the last minute and it's held up the final announcement, with Hibs having to accept the review clause.

MacBean
27-07-2023, 09:20 AM
I wonder if the review has been the reason for the hold up because it looked like the loan for a full season was agreed about two weeks ago. Maybe Man U put that in at the last minute and it's held up the final announcement, with Hibs having to accept the review clause.

Hold up was purely so fish could cover Man Utd’s pre season games as they had guys on extended leave

ElginHibbie
27-07-2023, 09:20 AM
Was worried the review might have been a thing, but gives Rocky and Harbottle more motivation to work hard if one of them might be needed to step up come January

CapitalGreen
27-07-2023, 09:21 AM
Rocky back in for the 2nd half of the season 😭

Helensburghhibs
27-07-2023, 09:21 AM
The review will be in Manchester Uniteds favour. Thats the downside of a loan they hold the cards and lets say WF performs well another club with money could come in and buy him for a good fee in January.

The review will be so they have the flexibility to loan him to a championship team if he is doing well, its the way man u develop players, test them in different scenarios.

Callum_62
27-07-2023, 09:21 AM
Not overly worried about the review in January

Fact is we have a very good defender back - be it for 6 months or the season

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AlbertK86
27-07-2023, 09:23 AM
The review will be so they have the flexibility to loan him to a championship team if he is doing well, its the way man u develop players, test them in different scenarios.

Agree this will be the thought process


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superfurryhibby
27-07-2023, 09:23 AM
The review will be so they have the flexibility to loan him to a championship team if he is doing well, its the way man u develop players, test them in different scenarios.

He already had the option of a move to a championship side and preferred to come to Hibs.

Scooter
27-07-2023, 09:24 AM
I hope hibs have a cut off date for that review clause

Juice-Terry
27-07-2023, 09:25 AM
Why? Because we've had 1 bad experience with Arsenal?
Yes. There is absolutely no reason for Man U to be concerned with Fish's progression/game time.

Donegal Hibby
27-07-2023, 09:28 AM
Delighted we have landed Fish .Well done HIBS once again for showing such great ambition :thumbsup:

GloryGlory
27-07-2023, 09:29 AM
I hope hibs have a cut off date for that review clause

Yep - it would be crap if they suddenly recalled him on 31 January at 10:30 p.m. and Hibs had no opportunity to get a replacement in.

Helensburghhibs
27-07-2023, 09:29 AM
He already had the option of a move to a championship side and preferred to come to Hibs.

Maybe so but if man u tell him they want him to go to Southampton for 6 months,, he will go to Southampton for 6 months. Lets be under no illusion his aim will be to make it at man utd and he will do exactly what they want him to do to achieve this. Even if it is u til january im glad hes here. Quality player

MWHIBBIES
27-07-2023, 09:30 AM
Yes. There is absolutely no reason for Man U to be concerned with Fish's progression/game time.

There is, though. Strolling it in SPL for another season might not be what they think he needs. Needs to push himself.

And in terms of game time, he hardly played before January last season, so again, they'll have that in mind.

Nicho87
27-07-2023, 09:33 AM
1 x centre forward
1 x wide player

And I think we’re ready

badabing67
27-07-2023, 09:38 AM
https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article30565088.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_Fish-Signing-82.jpg

Big_Franck
27-07-2023, 09:39 AM
Far from ideal with them having the recall option in January, but I'm glad he's here nonetheless. If we do lose him in January, I'd have little confidence in us replacing him with a similar quality in a short space of time.

Anyway, striker in asap now please Hibs.

J-C
27-07-2023, 09:42 AM
Makes a difference when players feel loved and wanted, the Hibs family does it again.

Paul1642
27-07-2023, 09:43 AM
Far from ideal with them having the recall option in January, but I'm glad he's here nonetheless. If we do lose him in January, I'd have little confidence in us replacing him with a similar quality in a short space of time.

Anyway, striker in asap now please Hibs.

If we were injury free I’m not sure we would replace him in Jan to be honest but rather Rocky, Harbottle and Hanlon would see out the season with a youngster (Megwa?) as 4th choice.

Im pretty hopeful that the option is just a technicality and that he will see out the season.

1875M
27-07-2023, 09:43 AM
New striker and we’re set imo.

inglisavhibs
27-07-2023, 09:45 AM
The review will be so they have the flexibility to loan him to a championship team if he is doing well, its the way man u develop players, test them in different scenarios.
Why didn't they send him to a championship team now then? He's already proved he can play in the SPL.

neil7908
27-07-2023, 09:48 AM
Not overly worried about the review in January

Fact is we have a very good defender back - be it for 6 months or the season

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This. It's not ideal of course but we get a class player for 6 months, and (hopefully) plenty of time to look at replacements for January.

nonshinyfinish
27-07-2023, 09:48 AM
Why didn't they send him to a championship team now then? He's already proved he can play in the SPL.

It's a balance I imagine – if they send him to a Championship club, it would be a higher level but he might not play much or at all. Based on last season they'd be far more confident that he's likely to be first choice for us. Unsurprising that they want to keep their options open in January.

Juice-Terry
27-07-2023, 09:50 AM
There is, though. Strolling it in SPL for another season might not be what they think he needs. Needs to push himself.

And in terms of game time, he hardly played before January last season, so again, they'll have that in mind.
'Strolling it' is pushing it a bit. Besides, if that was their concern they should have sent him elsewhere from the start.

superfurryhibby
27-07-2023, 09:50 AM
Maybe so but if man u tell him they want him to go to Southampton for 6 months,, he will go to Southampton for 6 months. Lets be under no illusion his aim will be to make it at man utd and he will do exactly what they want him to do to achieve this. Even if it is u til january im glad hes here. Quality player

I don't think it's quite as black and white as he must do what Man u tell him. If so he would already have been elsewhere, neither do I think he realistically has a future at Man U. A January review makes sense and seems like a compromise between what Fish wants and what Manu U see as in their best interest.

southern hibby
27-07-2023, 09:50 AM
Just read on BBC that Will Fish has rejoined Hibernian on a second season long loan.

GGTTH

SHODAN
27-07-2023, 09:51 AM
Return of the Fish

Lago
27-07-2023, 09:51 AM
Brilliant news.
Unfortunately January review included in season long loan, not ideal.

Bushwoof
27-07-2023, 09:52 AM
Good news, and gives Harbottle a few months to get settled in, in case Fish gets moved on in Jan. Would obviously be better to have him for the whole season, but we won't be short of options if the worst happens.

Have Fish and Levitt ever played together?

Smartie
27-07-2023, 09:52 AM
The return of the Fish is hugely significant, he was superb for us last year and formed an outstanding partnership with Hanlon.

Great news.

GGTTH07
27-07-2023, 09:53 AM
Striker incoming soon. Dutch second division, decent cash paid.

Eyrie
27-07-2023, 09:53 AM
Obviously expected, but still good news that Fish has been confirmed.

That leaves us needing a main striker and hopefully a goal scoring midfielder to compete/cover Campbell so Levitt can be used in a deeper role in games where we will have more of the ball.

Marshall / Wollacott

Miller / Megwa / (Delferriere)
Fish / Bushiri
Hanlon / Harbottle
Stevenson / Obita / MacIntyre

Levitt / Jeggo / Delferriere
Newell / Doyle-Hayes
Campbell / ??? / (Levitt)

Boyle / Melkersen / (Mackay)
??? / Le Fondre / Doidge
Youan / Mackay / (Obita)

Cadden and McKirdy are out long term. No place for Henderson and Tavares is clearly out of favour.

Callum_62
27-07-2023, 09:53 AM
Striker incoming soon. Dutch second division, decent cash paid.Van veen x2

Any idea if he's good and does this kaibosh Mykola?

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AlbertK86
27-07-2023, 09:54 AM
If we were injury free I’m not sure we would replace him in Jan to be honest but rather Rocky, Harbottle and Hanlon would see out the season with a youngster (Megwa?) as 4th choice.

Im pretty hopeful that the option is just a technicality and that he will see out the season.

Agree and hopefully Blaney fit and has another 6 months on loan under his belt


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500miles
27-07-2023, 09:54 AM
Even if he leaves in January, jason kerr will be back fit by then.

JamesHFC
27-07-2023, 09:55 AM
Unfortunately January review included in season long loan, not ideal.

Let's enjoy the six or so months that we are guarenteed of him. If we are doing well and he's a regular then I don't see reason as to why they would jeopardise his development going into the final part of the season. Clarke was playing in a piss poor side at the time he got moved elsewhere.

Unseen work
27-07-2023, 09:55 AM
Striker incoming soon. Dutch second division, decent cash paid.

Not Dylan Vente is it? Sure his name was mentioned before.

SHODAN
27-07-2023, 09:57 AM
Not Dylan Vente is it? Sure his name was mentioned before.

48 goals in two seasons in the Dutch second division is phenomenal, would be hugely surprised if we could get him.

Callum_62
27-07-2023, 09:58 AM
Not Dylan Vente is it? Sure his name was mentioned before.Hes linked with EFL Coventry so i doubt it [emoji1787]

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Unseen work
27-07-2023, 09:58 AM
48 goals in two seasons in the Dutch second division is phenomenal, would be hugely surprised if we could get him.

I honestly have no idea, feel like I remember seeing his name on here or Twitter or something like that before. Maybe a random chat I’m in.

Like you say looks like he’d cost more than we’d pay

tonyrougier123
27-07-2023, 10:00 AM
Not Dylan Vente is it? Sure his name was mentioned before.

I had a look at that league and he was first guy I thought fits profile.came back on here and you’ve come up with same name.

Aldo
27-07-2023, 10:04 AM
Not Dylan Vente is it? Sure his name was mentioned before.

Surely it’s not him??

Superb goalscoring record for Roda!

Juice-Terry
27-07-2023, 10:05 AM
Get Vente's teammate, No 14, in as well while we're at it. Looks a superb partnership.

Onceinawhile
27-07-2023, 10:07 AM
Striker incoming soon. Dutch second division, decent cash paid.

Kevin van veen?!?!

Callum_62
27-07-2023, 10:09 AM
Id imagine the below are more likely

Martijn Kaars
Jeredy Hilterman
Elton Kabangu
Nick Venema
Jizz Hornkamp

The one id chose from that list is blatantly obvious.

GGTTH07
27-07-2023, 10:10 AM
Not Dylan Vente is it? Sure his name was mentioned before.

👍

GloryGlory
27-07-2023, 10:12 AM
Van veen x2

Any idea if he's good and does this kaibosh Mykola?

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Would depend if Doidge goes, I would think.

04Sauzee
27-07-2023, 10:12 AM
Id imagine the below are more likely

Martijn Kaars
Jeredy Hilterman
Elton Kabangu
Nick Venema
Jizz Hornkamp

The one id chose from that list is blatantly obvious.

Jizz Hornkamp 👀

hibsforeurope
27-07-2023, 10:13 AM
Great we have got Fish back and not that bothered about the break clause, this will be a standard clause on long(er) term loans form both clubs. there have been loans we've brought in who haven't worked out and we've not been able to send back (james Scott being one) or they have cost us to break the loan.

GloryGlory
27-07-2023, 10:13 AM
Striker incoming soon. Dutch second division, decent cash paid.

Soon? As in today? Tomorrow maybe?

Since452
27-07-2023, 10:14 AM
Striker incoming soon. Dutch second division, decent cash paid.

This must be our most expensive transfer window ever? Must be over a million spent? Fair play to the board.