Summer transfer thread 2023

[brog]

“Johnson remains keen to add to his squad, with Will Fish set to return for a second season-long loan stint by the end of the month. However, there are other positions needing reinforcements that are very much on the club’s radar but rather than rush into signings, Hibs will assess the situation after the first handful of competitive games.”



EEN.

Madness if we don’t have a new striker in for the first league game IMO

It could also just be LJ being coy and not alerting opponents as to our state of play.

[ancient hibee]

We've known for months we would need a new main goalscorer. Should have been seen to before the end of last season . Tap someone up and have him ready to change clubs.

[Smartie]

We've known for months we would need a new main goalscorer. Should have been seen to before the end of last season . Tap someone up and have him ready to change clubs.

Exactly.

There’s always talk of quality becoming available late in August but was Nisbet not available pretty much from January onwards, along with every striker in Europe with a contract expiring? Is there a reason why Millwall managed to line up a key player whereas we couldn’t?

[SHODAN]

For "Hibs have months and months to replace top goalscorer in the summer but don't, leading to a poor start to the season", see:
2011/12: Leigh Griffiths signed to replace Derek Riordan 4 games into the season
2013/14: James Collins signed to replace Leigh Griffiths after European exit and a week before the start of the season
2017/18: Anthony Stokes signed to replace Jason Cummings one game into the season

First two seasons we were either relegated or almost relegated, third time we managed to recover strongly after a slow start. Let's not make it four in a row, eh?

[Stuart93]

We need a striker in before Q3.

Be ****ing madness to go into that without one signed up.

[Dmas]

Should've been in weeks ago. Would love us to be fully prepared just once.

I think it’s players now more than us as a club, rare to see someone agree a free transfer for example in January when there free to talk to clubs nowadays players will hang off and see what they can get as long as they can now.

Used to annoy the life out of me that we never had players lined up when we knew people where leaving

[Paul1642]

Exactly.

There’s always talk of quality becoming available late in August but was Nisbet not available pretty much from January onwards, along with every striker in Europe with a contract expiring? Is there a reason why Millwall managed to line up a key player whereas we couldn’t?

Paying 2 million pounds helped. No doubt Millwall fans will now be wondering why they haven’t yet signed a much needed player for a different position on the pitch.

I still think that out plan a was Myko and possibly still is. If we get our initial target a few weeks into the season I think that’s still a success IMO rather than going with whoever we can get our hands on a few weeks earlier.

[Chorley Hibee]

Should've been in weeks ago. Would love us to be fully prepared just once.

It seems we never learn.

A season spent trying to qualify for Europe only to be woefully unprepared for the games when they arrive.

Another 3/4 required if we want to have a real stab at these European games.

[CapitalGreen]

If Hibs could have got a quality striker in weeks ago we would have done, unless people are suggesting we are purposefully delaying bringing a striker in for no sensible reason?

[flash]

It seems we never learn.

A season spent trying to qualify for Europe only to be woefully unprepared for the games when they arrive.

Another 3/4 required if we want to have a real stab at these European games.
We can't replace our entire squad every summer.

[007]

It could also just be LJ being coy and not alerting opponents as to our state of play.

Agree. I always take a manager's comments with a pinch of salt, particularly on transfer targets. He's probably just playing the media game that agents, players, clubs etc play.

[Callum_62]

If Hibs could have got a quality striker in weeks ago we would have done, unless people are suggesting we are purposefully delaying bringing a striker in for no sensible reason?Petrie!

I'd like a big number 9 in but again I'm not panicking about it

Boyle, youan, Alf doidge and Melkerson can all play through the middle

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[Smartie]

We can't replace our entire squad every summer.

We can’t - and shouldn’t want to - but is it too much to ask to replace those who depart and find a way to improve upon pre-existing weaknesses, allowing us to get marginally better year on year?

Or at least to aspire to do so?

FWIW I hate “clear out” threads. And perpetual desire to sack managers for that matter.

[Alex Trager]

We've known for months we would need a new main goalscorer. Should have been seen to before the end of last season . Tap someone up and have him ready to change clubs.

I’ve said this before and been shot down.

Millwall had Nisbet pretty much immediately.

‘But Nisbet was done in Jan’

If that’s the case, then there is even less of an excuse for Hibs to still be floundering about without his replacement. They’ve had, at worst, since he left in June (IIRC) to get ready and here we are.

We went on a summer camp with two centre backs, when we need four. Get them all in asap. Fish I am less concerned about, I expect that to happen this week but the striker is an absolute must I would say the striker was needed yesterday, but I will change that to last month.

Folk will still say I am pant wetting and scweaming and that’s fine.

It may be totally irrational of me, I absolutely understand the points re players taking time, but for once can we not just be ready for the European games? Why is it always the case that we have to wait on ‘quality becoming available later’ which it rarely does?

Go and get the quality needed now. Because we need it.

[Since452]

Wonder if the Doig transfer dragging on is holding us back? £2.4 million or whatever it is we'll be due is a bit of a game changer when it comes to a quality signing. That's if we reinvest a good chunk of it.

[Paul1642]

For "Hibs have months and months to replace top goalscorer in the summer but don't, leading to a poor start to the season", see:
2011/12: Leigh Griffiths signed to replace Derek Riordan 4 games into the season
2013/14: James Collins signed to replace Leigh Griffiths after European exit and a week before the start of the season
2017/18: Anthony Stokes signed to replace Jason Cummings one game into the season

First two seasons we were either relegated or almost relegated, third time we managed to recover strongly after a slow start. Let's not make it four in a row, eh?

The difference here is that we have Boyle and Youan as well as ALF, Doidge and even Melkerson.

In 2011/12 we only had a well past his peak Gary O’Connor as a goal threat.

I’m 2013/14 I seem to recall staring the season with Danny Handling and James Collins as the top goal threat which is absolutely mental looking back. Neither of these would even make our current bench.

In 2017/18 we only played two games prior to signing Stokes, both were wins for us including 2-3 at Ibrox.

2011/12 and 13/14 teams were absolutely gash and can’t be compared at all to our current team anywhere on pitch.

[Chorley Hibee]

Petrie!

I'd like a big number 9 in but again I'm not panicking about it

Boyle, youan, Alf doidge and Melkerson can all play through the middle

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If we are left trying to beat Djurgardens or Luzern with ALF, Doidge or Melkersen through the middle, then that's Europe over with once again.

I still think we need another 2/3 on top of a centre forward too.

[Paul1642]

Worth noting that’s some teams won’t sell a player until they have a replacement lined up if they the luxury of making that decision in terms of finances and the player not being desperate to leave.

For all we know we could have a good number 9 in our sights who his club haven’t agreed to sell until they get their own target through the door.

[Callum_62]

For all we know we could have a good number 9 in our sights who his club haven’t agreed to sell until they get their own target through the door.

Namibian Momodou Bojang

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[Paul1642]

If we are left trying to beat Djurgardens or Luzern with ALF, Doidge or Melkersen through the middle, then that's Europe over with once again.

I still think we need another 2/3 on top of a centre forward too.

Sorry but this is nonsense. A number 9 will improve our team for certain but to suggest that we won’t win any big games without once is just wrong. ALF or Doidge could easily chip in with a goal or be a general nuisance to the defence whilst Youan, Boyle or any other of our goal threat get the goals that take us through.

[Heedersnvolleys]

I'd like us to push the boat out for Myko. It's a massive ask though. Close to a million spent on Youan and Levitt alone.

I think and hope Hibs are not pushing the boat out not because I don’t think he is a good player as been impressed the times I have seen him but they maybe just really wary of his injury record. They have probably worked really hard and cost them a lot to offload some injury prone and unwanted players and don’t want to make the same mistake again

[Smartie]

Wonder if the Doig transfer dragging on is holding us back? £2.4 million or whatever it is we'll be due is a bit of a game changer when it comes to a quality signing. That's if we reinvest a good chunk of it.

That's a fair point tbh.

This may be the 3rd summer transfer window in a row that's been blighted to an extent by uncertainty regarding departing / departed players, whether the moves might happen and how much money they might bring in.

[blackpoolhibs]

We can't replace our entire squad every summer.

Making a complete arse of last summers signing strategy has caused this seasons shortfalls.

We have needed to bring in a lot of players this window, because we've had to replace a lot of the pish we spent fortunes on before, and are still paying good money on players nowhere near good enough for 1st team duties.

We've missed a huge chance to build a decent side over the last couple of seasons that should have left us much stronger than where we currently are.

[brog]

I'm sure all the posters above who are saying we should have had a striker in by now, have not forgotten. that we were probably 1st club in Scotland to do just that with Youan. We also signed Alf soon after so we've hardly been idle. Now if we only mean a strong, focal point striker like Myko then fine, I agree. However these players are by far the toughest to obtain and there's no point in splashing out for the likes of Hoppe or Nouble who IMO are no better than what we already have. I was in a minority last season when I said a striker was our priority, I think Nisbet's performances after his return proved that point. Mind you I'm sure I remember some of these same posters castigating Nisbet. 😂

[Donegal Hibby]

I think and hope Hibs are not pushing the boat out not because I don’t think he is a good player as been impressed the times I have seen him but they maybe just really wary of his injury record. They have probably worked really hard and cost them a lot to offload some injury prone and unwanted players and don’t want to make the same mistake again
If there's any chance at all of getting Mykola back we should be all over it , guys a quality player and exactly what we need .

[Heedersnvolleys]

If there's any chance at all of getting Mykola back we should be all over it , guys a quality player and exactly what we need .

I agree but not if they are worried over his injury record.

[K-Zazu]

If there's any chance at all of getting Mykola back we should be all over it , guys a quality player and exactly what we need .

Apart from his injury problems

[Haymaker]

For "Hibs have months and months to replace top goalscorer in the summer but don't, leading to a poor start to the season", see:
2011/12: Leigh Griffiths signed to replace Derek Riordan 4 games into the season
2013/14: James Collins signed to replace Leigh Griffiths after European exit and a week before the start of the season
2017/18: Anthony Stokes signed to replace Jason Cummings one game into the season

First two seasons we were either relegated or almost relegated, third time we managed to recover strongly after a slow start. Let's not make it four in a row, eh?I mean, there's nothing stopping us signing Leigh Griffiths now, he's a free agent ffs!

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[BlackSheep]

Apart from his injury problems

Did Myko have one persistent injury or were there multiple differing injuries?

There’s a big difference between a long recovery from a difficult injury than suffering continuously from a multitude of injuries.

I think folk labelling him as injury prone is quite harsh, not saying that you were.

[Clarence]

“Johnson remains keen to add to his squad, with Will Fish set to return for a second season-long loan stint by the end of the month. However, there are other positions needing reinforcements that are very much on the club’s radar but rather than rush into signings, Hibs will assess the situation after the first handful of competitive games.”

EEN.

Madness if we don’t have a new striker in for the first league game IMO

We are definitely weaker than we were last season and should not be waiting to assess something that is quite obvious.

[Stevie Reid]

For "Hibs have months and months to replace top goalscorer in the summer but don't, leading to a poor start to the season", see:
2011/12: Leigh Griffiths signed to replace Derek Riordan 4 games into the season
2013/14: James Collins signed to replace Leigh Griffiths after European exit and a week before the start of the season
2017/18: Anthony Stokes signed to replace Jason Cummings one game into the season

First two seasons we were either relegated or almost relegated, third time we managed to recover strongly after a slow start. Let's not make it four in a row, eh?

Struggling to see how 2017/18 could be classed as having a slow start? By 12 August our win at Ibrox meant we'd won our first two league games, scoring three in each game. We'd also made it through to the QF of the League Cup, scoring 18 goals in five matches. So 24 goals in our first seven games.

[Donegal Hibby]

I agree but not if they are worried over his injury record.


Apart from his injury problems

We don't really know if he's injury prone as some are saying or if the guys just been unlucky at us though I'm sure the club's medical team will have a fair idea by now and if he did come back I'd see that as a sign they don't think it wilI be a problem.

I think it was about 11 games Mykola missed with injury for us . Must admit I'd rather a quality striker like Mykola for 27 games a season than a fully fit Nouble, Cosgrave or a English 1 or 2 striker for 38 games TBH .

[Stevie Reid]

We don't really know if he's injury prone as some are saying or if the guys just been unlucky at us though I'm sure the club's medical team will have a fair idea by now and if he did come back I'd see that as a sign they don't think it wilI be a problem.

I think it was about 11 games Mykola missed with injury for us . Must admit I'd rather a quality striker like Mykola for 27 games a season than a fully fit Nouble, Cosgrave or a English 1 or 2 striker for 38 games TBH .

I counted 18 games that he was missing for. I am torn on going all in on him - he is definitely a quality player and seems precision engineered to be an SPL number 9. However, he missed so much football, and some really big games that helped to define the success of our season. I'm really wary of us making a huge financial outlay on him, for that reason.

[Smartie]

I counted 18 games that he was missing for. I am torn on going all in on him - he is definitely a quality player and seems precision engineered to be an SPL number 9. However, he missed so much football, and some really big games that helped to define the success of our season. I'm really wary of us making a huge financial outlay on him, for that reason.

If we had a youngster (say, a young Garry O'Connor) who was waiting in the wings, needing an opportunity, presumably on youngster's wages and looking for an opportunity acting as an understudy who might need to step in fairly frequently then it might be a risk well worth taking.

I share your concerns about going all in on someone who might leave a Myko shaped hole in our team for more than half of the season.

Can't make my mind up about it as I really liked him as a player.

[Donegal Hibby]

We are definitely weaker than we were last season and should not be waiting to assess something that is quite obvious.
I really don't see how we are weaker than last year tbh . Goalkeeper position we've strengthen with the signing of two keepers .Fish looking likely to be coming back and we have also added a few defender's too which I think makes us stronger at the back than last year . We added Levitt to midfield . Only area we are weaker in at the moment is a replacement for Nisbet which the club will strengthen soon I think.

[Key West]

Making a complete arse of last summers signing strategy has caused this seasons shortfalls.

We have needed to bring in a lot of players this window, because we've had to replace a lot of the pish we spent fortunes on before, and are still paying good money on players nowhere near good enough for 1st team duties.

We've missed a huge chance to build a decent side over the last couple of seasons that should have left us much stronger than where we currently are.

Agree with this we should be better than scraping into the top 6,here's hoping that this will be accomplished a lot easier this season.

[badabing67]

If we are left trying to beat Djurgardens or Luzern with ALF, Doidge or Melkersen through the middle, then that's Europe over with once again.

I still think we need another 2/3 on top of a centre forward too.

If anybody like me wondered how to pronounce Djurgarden apparantly its


dyou·uh·gaa·dn

[portycabbage]

If anybody like me wondered how to pronounce Djurgarden apparantly its


dyou·uh·gaa·dn

I think that’s likely only if you’re pronouncing it in an RP accent (ie Received Pronunciation/posh English rather than Rod Petrie). Most of these pronunciation guides are that way. For the rest of us who pronounce the R at the end of syllables it would be “dyoor garden”

[The Tubs]

I think that’s likely only if you’re pronouncing it in an RP accent (ie Received Pronunciation/posh English rather than Rod Petrie). Most of these pronunciation guides are that way. For the rest of us who pronounce the R at the end of syllables it would be “dyoor garden”

Surely the standard pronunciation would be a Swedish one, would it not?

[Hibbyradge]

If anybody like me wondered how to pronounce Djurgarden apparantly its


dyou·uh·gaa·dn

It's pronounced your-gorden :agree:

[Not So Young]

“Johnson remains keen to add to his squad, with Will Fish set to return for a second season-long loan stint by the end of the month. However, there are other positions needing reinforcements that are very much on the club’s radar but rather than rush into signings, Hibs will assess the situation after the first handful of competitive games.”

EEN.

Madness if we don’t have a new striker in for the first league game IMO



I reckon LJ has got his ducks in a row even if it takes a bit longer to get a new striker.

Did he not say recently that he is happy with where the squad is and thats it's his now his players going to be playing his way

[portycabbage]

Surely the standard pronunciation would be a Swedish one, would it not?

RP is an accent of English that pronunciation guides usually cater towards, but I guess you can mispronounce foreign names in other accents too! I guess we’d have to start pronouncing Paris as “Paree” etc if we were going for the native pronunciations.

[McD]

We are definitely weaker than we were last season and should not be waiting to assess something that is quite obvious.


Setting aside when a particular player signs, Hibs and LJ are playing the game, making calm statements intended to throw off the press and other clubs to stop us getting ripped off… or would you prefer they come and say they’re ****ting bricks because their top targets haven’t signed yet for any of a multitude of reasons?


we all want to get good players in that will improve the team, but the club need to make sure they’re getting everything right

[Ronniekirk]

Al Hilal bid £259 million for Mbappe

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I just don’t agree with clubs having this amount of money to spend on one player I certainly won’t be following with interest how these players do
Although if they offerred 100 million for Stevenson I would reluctantly feel we had to give it serious consideration 🤔😎

[Lago]

Wonder if the Doig transfer dragging on is holding us back? £2.4 million or whatever it is we'll be due is a bit of a game changer when it comes to a quality signing. That's if we reinvest a good chunk of it.
Beginning to think it may well not happen.

[B.H.F.C]

We are definitely weaker than we were last season and should not be waiting to assess something that is quite obvious.

I don’t think they’re waiting to assess whether they need a striker or not. Anyone can see we do. More likely waiting to assess what is available. I’m sure Johnson did an interview in Spain and said we had walked away from a couple that we didn’t think were right.

I’m normally the first to moan about wanting players in quickly but I think there’s a difference this year in that there is a clear willingness to spend money and do deals. I don’t think we’re just sitting waiting or being tight or anything like that.

[Greenbeard]

Wonder if the Doig transfer dragging on is holding us back? £2.4 million or whatever it is we'll be due is a bit of a game changer when it comes to a quality signing. That's if we reinvest a good chunk of it.
Bounty.

[Silky]

Bounty.

Kitkat

[HendoDelivered]

Troyes fan on Twitter: “Kukharevych wants to join hibs at all costs he asked the club to lower the transfer price”

[007]

Troyes fan on Twitter: “Kukharevych wants to join hibs at all costs he asked the club to lower the transfer price”

🤞 Here's hoping.

[Hibby70]

It's pronounced your-gorden :agree:

I thought it was your goran. Might be wrong mind you.


Edit : just found this on internet

The pronunciation of Djurgården often causes confusion among tourists. You pronounce it as ‘juurgoorden‘ but you hardly pronounce the ‘d’. So it almost sounds like ‘juurgoorn‘ to some people. Literally translated, this means ‘animal garden’.

[Hibbyradge]

I thought it was your goran. Might be wrong mind you.


Edit : just found this on internet

The pronunciation of Djurgården often causes confusion among tourists. You pronounce it as ‘juurgoorden‘ but you hardly pronounce the ‘d’. So it almost sounds like ‘juurgoorn‘ to some people. Literally translated, this means ‘animal garden’.

https://youtu.be/T0dEGvq3WwQ

[badabing67]

Troyes fan on Twitter: “Kukharevych wants to join hibs at all costs he asked the club to lower the transfer price”


No way where you seeing this

[HendoDelivered]

No way where you seeing this

https://twitter.com/legiondeestac/status/1683512200105697280?s=46&t=U3pADl1ON1Em2jgBrQBI8w

[04Sauzee]

No way where you seeing this

https://twitter.com/legiondeestac/status/1683512200105697280?t=7xIcASZG_2JsFVNBeK60yw&s=19


Kukharevych veux rejoindre a tout prix hibs il a demandé au club de baisse le prix du transfert

[Donegal Hibby]

🤞 Here's hoping.
I think LJ liked Mykola and we will definitely be trying to bring him in . Wither we do or not is another matter entirely. Hope we do though 🤞

[badabing67]

https://twitter.com/legiondeestac/status/1683512200105697280?s=46&t=U3pADl1ON1Em2jgBrQBI8w


https://twitter.com/legiondeestac/status/1683512200105697280?t=7xIcASZG_2JsFVNBeK60yw&s=19


Kukharevych veux rejoindre a tout prix hibs il a demandé au club de baisse le prix du transfert


Cheers guys. Not sure if Troyes is part of City Group..... but if they are then maybe LJ's connections could have an influence over a possible deal.

[HendoDelivered]

Cheers guys. Not sure if Troyes is part of City Group..... but if they are then maybe LJ's connections could have an influence over a possible deal.

Troyes are part of the City Group, hopefully works in our favour!

[The Tubs]

RP is an accent of English that pronunciation guides usually cater towards, but I guess you can mispronounce foreign names in other accents too! I guess we’d have to start pronouncing Paris as “Paree” etc if we were going for the native pronunciations.

I take your point, but would that not only be true for cities that have a which has historically been translated, like Milan or Athens? I'm not sure.

[flash]

Well he isn't in their pre season squad.

[badabing67]

Troyes are part of the City Group, hopefully works in our favour!

That's interesting perhaps a lower transfer fee for a higher % sell on fee. Just thinking out loud

[SHODAN]

Troyes fan on Twitter: “Kukharevych wants to join hibs at all costs he asked the club to lower the transfer price”

Hand it in.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/legiondeestac/status/1683512200105697280?t=7xIcASZG_2JsFVNBeK60yw&s=19


Kukharevych veux rejoindre a tout prix hibs il a demandé au club de baisse le prix du transfertFish wanting to come back, CJ paggering the jambos on the pitch last game of the season and Big Mick chomping on a move back. Speaks volumes for the team spirit garnered since january. To my mind he just needs a couple of teenagers making their mark and next season is potentially entertaining.

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[Rumble de Thump]

Mykola Kukharevych is a boyhood Hibernian fan.

[Gmack7]

Mykola Kukharevych is a boyhood Hibernian fan.

So was his dad and grandad #handitin

[Since452]

Very positive sign when players are desperate to play for us. Good players.

[scm70nyd1973]

Fish wanting to come back, CJ paggering the jambos on the pitch last game of the season and Big Mick chomping on a move back. Speaks volumes for the team spirit garnered since january. To my mind he just needs a couple of teenagers making their mark and next season is potentially entertaining.

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I wonder if the Dnipro Kids’ charity endears him more to our wonderful club and fans - you just never know do you - here’s hoping 🤞

[Springbank]

Funny to think that #handitin season started with Rangers winning a Petrofac game v us (their Special Relationship Cup) and that same season ended with Liam Henderson - who had come to us as part of the Scott Allan To Celtic deal - as I recall, and I may be wrong here, I think Liam took a pretty good dead ball (or two) at Hampden vs the same opponent in the last few minutes of the final game of the season...

#deliveritin

[Smartie]

It's pretty mad that Myko should be so keen to come back. His time in the side coincided with our iffier form (and it WAS a coincidence, nothing to do with him). It maybe wasn't the most fun to be playing football for us around then.

Maybe he just saw some of the days we had towards the end of the season and wanted a bit of it for himself?

[Donegal Hibby]

Read this article on Doig going in a swap deal . Would this affect what we would get for him ?.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/scots-abroad/josh-doig-torino-transfer-latest-27387506

[Nevi_SOL]

Just shows what happens when we support our players, good sign about the fan base

[shamo9]

It's pretty mad that Myko should be so keen to come back. His time in the side coincided with our iffier form (and it WAS a coincidence, nothing to do with him). It maybe wasn't the most fun to be playing football for us around then.

Maybe he just saw some of the days we had towards the end of the season and wanted a bit of it for himself?

Hibs are a special club. We all fell in love with it for a reason. Trust. He gets it. :hibees

[CockneyRebel]

Read this article on Doig going in a swap deal . Would this affect what we would get for him ?.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/scots-abroad/josh-doig-torino-transfer-latest-27387506

In any swap or player plus cash deal the value of the player is used to calculate the sell on value.

[Donegal Hibby]

In any swap or player plus cash deal the value of the player is used to calculate the sell on value.
Thanks 👍. I thought that would be the way it worked though article give me doubt's by implying we'd get less in a swap deal .

[Smartie]

Thanks 👍. I thought that would be the way it worked though article give me doubt's by implying we'd get less in a swap deal .

The article appears to have been written by someone with a very poor grasp of how football transfers work, but emphatically enough that it’s got me doubting myself.

[Prof. Shaggy]

Read this article on Doig going in a swap deal . Would this affect what we would get for him ?.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/scots-abroad/josh-doig-torino-transfer-latest-27387506

If there's truth in the Verona-need-cash story, why?

[Unseen work]

Really hope we get Myko back, showed he’s a good player and loads of potential - even though I think he’s one that’s maybe getting better the longer he’s been out in some peoples opinion!

That said, where we are and the money we pay it’s always going to be difficult for us to bring in a top striker or replace Nisbet, the best strikers I’ve seen at Hibs recently are always the younger confident guys.

If it’s a (fit) Myko, ALF, Doidge and Melkersen up top with Boyle, Youan, a new winger and the younger lads then I think that’s pretty good!

We could be versatile with playing Youan up top, Obita on the left and Boyle on the right too.

Not getting carried away about that one tweet though.

[davhibby]

Really hope we get Myko back, showed he’s a good player and loads of potential - even though I think he’s one that’s maybe getting better the longer he’s been out in some peoples opinion!

That said, where we are and the money we pay it’s always going to be difficult for us to bring in a top striker or replace Nisbet, the best strikers I’ve seen at Hibs recently are always the younger confident guys.

If it’s a (fit) Myko, ALF, Doidge and Melkersen up top with Boyle, Youan, a new winger and the younger lads then I think that’s pretty good!

We could be versatile with playing Youan up top, Obita on the left and Boyle on the right too.

Not getting carried away about that one tweet though.

He must be going somewhere though if he’s been left out their squad. Fingers crossed it’s ER

[Donegal Hibby]

Of all the striker's that's been mentioned or rumoured to be coming to Hibs Mykola is by far the best imo . I'd be delighted if we get him back . When we sold Nisbet I was worried that we wouldn't get a good quality replacement though if we do manage this I think we have as I rate him highly in all honesty.

[tonyrougier123]

That Elliott Anderson at Newcastle looks a decent prospect ,wouldn’t mind seeing him come in on loan.

[matty_f]

It's pretty mad that Myko should be so keen to come back. His time in the side coincided with our iffier form (and it WAS a coincidence, nothing to do with him). It maybe wasn't the most fun to be playing football for us around then.

Maybe he just saw some of the days we had towards the end of the season and wanted a bit of it for himself?

Be interesting to see the stats of wins when Myko played against games he didn't.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That Elliott Anderson at Newcastle looks a decent prospect ,wouldn’t mind seeing him come in on loan.

He’s miles above our level I think.

[hibee1875]

That Elliott Anderson at Newcastle looks a decent prospect ,wouldn’t mind seeing him come in on loan.

He’s beyond us now. Loan would be to a lower EPL team

[Halmyre Hibee]

He’s beyond us now. Loan would be to a lower EPL team

You could argue that with Fish as well. The lad was previously loaned out to Bristol Rovers so Hibs would be a step up. At the end of the day depends on how Newcastle wish to develop him further.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You could argue that with Fish as well. The lad was previously loaned out to Bristol Rovers so Hibs would be a step up. At the end of the day depends on how Newcastle wish to develop him further.

He played 27 games for Newcastle last season. If it was this time last year I’d agree we’d be a step up. Now we’d be a massive step down.

[JimBHibees]

You could argue that with Fish as well. The lad was previously loaned out to Bristol Rovers so Hibs would be a step up. At the end of the day depends on how Newcastle wish to develop him further.

Difference being he has played for Newcastle many times last season and will likely be seen as a key part of this seasons squad. If he was to go on loan it would be to another EPL team as mentioned above.

[Gmack7]

No chance of Anderson playing for Hibs but Steve Clarke has to persuade him to commit to Scotland
Get Myko signed please

[Paul1642]

No chance of Anderson playing for Hibs but Steve Clarke has to persuade him to commit to Scotland
Get Myko signed please

Look like he has played for both sides at youth level but currently in the Scotland youth set up. The likes of McTominy must be good motivation to anyone on the fence. Would never have been near the England squad but doing great and hopefully making the Euros with Scotland, with his Scotland performances doing wonders for his chances at club level.

[Gmack7]

I don't want to take the thread of track but Anderson and Doak at Liverpool could be massive fir Scotland and both could be at the euros assuming we qualify

[Real Emerald]

LJ talking about being ok with what we have for the first 3 or four games worries me a bit. I think if we’ve any chance of getting through the first two qualifying rounds we’ll have to bring in a Nisbet replacement fairly soon. That’s assuming we already having Fish back and Boyle ready by then.

[Hibernian Verse]

LJ talking about being ok with what we have for the first 3 or four games worries me a bit. I think if we’ve any chance of getting through the first two qualifying rounds we’ll have to bring in a Nisbet replacement fairly soon. That’s assuming we already having Fish back and Boyle ready by then.

First two are against Inter and third is St Mirren at home. I'd agree with him on that.

If the current squad isn't good enough to beat St Mirren then we will be in for a long season.

Fourth though is Djurgarden at Easter Road and that's going to be a higher level of opposition.

[Real Emerald]

First two are against Inter and third is St Mirren at home. I'd agree with him on that.

If the current squad isn't good enough to beat St Mirren then we will be in for a long season.

Fourth though is Djurgarden at Easter Road and that's going to be a higher level of opposition.

Yes that’s my point, we don’t want to be throwing in new signings for the European game.

[nonshinyfinish]

You also have to put what LJ said through the 'public statements during a transfer window' filter: if we're negotiating with clubs to buy a striker then it's hardly wise to come out and say "yeah we desperately need a striker ASAP".

[Real Emerald]

You also have to put what LJ said through the 'public statements during a transfer window' filter: if we're negotiating with clubs to buy a striker then it's hardly wise to come out and say "yeah we desperately need a striker ASAP".

Completely agree as he also wants to install confidence with our current players but it will concern me if we go into that game with what we have or with players who’ve not played a game yet. It seems we are always not ready for these games although I know it’s difficult to get business done quickly.

[Hibernian Verse]

Yes that’s my point, we don’t want to be throwing in new signings for the European game.

We may end up paying the price for last summer's poor recruitment. We should be building on that and January, rather than having to right the wrongs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You also have to put what LJ said through the 'public statements during a transfer window' filter: if we're negotiating with clubs to buy a striker then it's hardly wise to come out and say "yeah we desperately need a striker ASAP".

Whilst I get what you’re saying it would take 2 seconds for a team we’re trying to sign a striker from to realise we desperately need a striker. I’m not sure LJ is going to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes by not mentioning it :greengrin

[SHODAN]

Be interesting to see the stats of wins when Myko played against games he didn't.

League record with Kuharevich:
Games: 15
Win: 6
Draw: 0
Loss: 9
Points per game: 1.2

Without Kuharevich:
Games: 23
Win: 9
Draw: 7
Loss: 7
Points per game: 1.5

[Paloschi]

I've spoken to my friend at Hibs. All chat on Mo Eisa has gone quiet. Club are very cautious on who they are going to sign. Has to be the right player. The scouting team looked extensively in Europe but 'Management' (I assume BMc and LJ) not too keen on unknown quantities after last season.

A wee bit of hope though, Myko may be back on. Hibs want Troyes to lower asking price and negotiations are happening. Loan unlikely. I am getting this piece of info third hand so wouldn't be too confident.

[Hibernian Verse]

I've spoken to my friend at Hibs. All chat on Mo Eisa has gone quiet. Club are very cautious on who they are going to sign. Has to be the right player. The scouting team looked extensively in Europe but 'Management' (I assume BMc and LJ) not too keen on unknown quantities after last season.

A wee bit of hope though, Myko may be back on. Hibs want Troyes to lower asking price and negotiations are happening. Loan unlikely. I am getting this piece of info third hand so wouldn't be too confident.

Anything on Fish?

[Blaster]

Anything on Fish?

Tartare sauce?

[Trinity Hibee]

Tartare sauce?

😂

[Spike Mandela]

Completely agree as he also wants to install confidence with our current players but it will concern me if we go into that game with what we have or with players who’ve not played a game yet. It seems we are always not ready for these games although I know it’s difficult to get business done quickly.

Always find it ironic that we spend so much of the season saying that our goal is to qualify for Europe yet, when it comes round we are always underprepared and squad isn’t complete and we usually get quotes like “ it’s iimportant that squad is ready for the league season.”

If Europe is the goal, Prepare for it.

[Ronniekirk]

Tartare sauce?
And a squeeze of Lemon 🍋

[nonshinyfinish]

Whilst I get what you’re saying it would take 2 seconds for a team we’re trying to sign a striker from to realise we desperately need a striker. I’m not sure LJ is going to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes but not mentioning it :greengrin

Of course, but every little helps – if they're playing hardball and you can introduce even a little bit of doubt that maybe we're willing to wait or look elsewhere then it's better than bluntly stating that we're desperate.

[Real Emerald]

Always find it ironic that we spend so much of the season saying that our goal is to qualify for Europe yet, when it comes round we are always underprepared and squad isn’t complete and we usually get quotes like “ it’s iimportant that squad is ready for the league season.”

If Europe is the goal, Prepare for it.

It does seem a bit pointless qualifying if you aren’t ready. We could go into the St Mirren game and 2nd qualifier with Melkerson on the right wing, Doidge up front and no Cadden at full back. I don’t think anyone would say that we’ve prepared for Europe with that team on the pitch. I know it’s just conjecture but it’s only 3 weeks or so away and we need more pieces of the jigsaw to come together quite soon now.

[Donegal Hibby]

That's a few times now the price for myko has been mentioned in that Troyes need to lower it , with even the player rumoured to have asked them to lower it too . Wonder what kind of figure they are looking for tbh ? . Hopefully the two clubs come to an agreement with them meeting somewhere in the middle.🤞

[number9dream]

Assuming Fish comes back and we get another striker - and we can move a few on - if there's anything left in the kitty, then I reckon Ryan Strain would improve us at right-back. In his final year at St Mirren - and he's related to the great Joe Baker!
Miller has the potential to be a powerhouse player but we've only seen brief glimpses of what he can do. Are we going to risk him as first choice with Delferriere and Megwa as cover for the season? It might be a case of wait and see how Miller does in the early weeks of the new campaign...

[IvanSproule]

Always find it ironic that we spend so much of the season saying that our goal is to qualify for Europe yet, when it comes round we are always underprepared and squad isn’t complete and we usually get quotes like “ it’s iimportant that squad is ready for the league season.”

If Europe is the goal, Prepare for it.I'm not having that, squad is arguably 1 player short going into the first tie. Cant ask for much better than that. We also have 3 out and out strikers at the club. Not like we're having to play a winger there or something.

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[Ronniekirk]

Always find it ironic that we spend so much of the season saying that our goal is to qualify for Europe yet, when it comes round we are always underprepared and squad isn’t complete and we usually get quotes like “ it’s iimportant that squad is ready for the league season.”

If Europe is the goal, Prepare for it.
I think this time the aspiration is genuine but last summers signings on the back of not great recruitment before that and all the changes of manager snd back room staff have made it very difficult
We are getting rid of players who need to move on but we had too many to get them all moved on
But progress is being made
Fish will be in place for next round of Europe and if we could get Myko back for then and Boyle is match fit and all our inured players back (bar Cadden who out long term ) we would have a fighting chance of progressing
Finishing fourth would of increased our chances and bought us a bit more time


But in reality we wouldn’t be well placed to cope with group stages and all the extra games that brings this early in the season That could derail any chance we have of finishing third this season
I would rather we built for that and achieved it as if Aberdeen finish third agsin this season tgey will be hard to displace
Just my opinion

[badabing67]

Anything on Fish?


He is meant to be with us this Saturday

[Hibernian Verse]

He is meant to be with us this Saturday

Travelling to Blackpool or signing?

[Smartie]

I'm not having that, squad is arguably 1 player short going into the first tie. Cant ask for much better than that. We also have 3 out and out strikers at the club. Not like we're having to play a winger there or something.

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When we see the line up for that game we'll see how short we are. Might be ok, might not. We'll be starting the game with at least one striker who is not first choice. The CH's may or may not work together, the CM's may or may not work together. We'll likely be back at the Lewis Stevenson well again which I have no problem with as I love Lewis but he's 36 and we'll surely only be able to expect so much from him going forward. Miller's injury history isn't great so it isn't unthinkable for us to go in with a makeshift or understudy RB.

We'll get away with it in this European game but it's how we're shaping up for the start of the league season that is concerning me. As maligned as Scottish football is, premier league teams are good enough to punish you if you're not ready or not at your best.

[Donegal Hibby]

Always find it ironic that we spend so much of the season saying that our goal is to qualify for Europe yet, when it comes round we are always underprepared and squad isn’t complete and we usually get quotes like “ it’s iimportant that squad is ready for the league season.”

If Europe is the goal, Prepare for it.

We have more than enough at our club to navigate through our opening European game's.If it's going to take abit longer to get Fish and Myko in then I'm fine with it TBH .

l do think we will have CB and CF in before we play St Mirren and if it is Fish and Myko the good thing is there's no settling in , getting to know there teammates and both will go straight into the team right away. I think we have had a good window so far and other clubs haven't done as much as we have done yet . We are doing well in this transfer window so far imo .

[matty_f]

League record with Kuharevich:
Games: 15
Win: 6
Draw: 0
Loss: 9
Points per game: 1.2

Without Kuharevich:
Games: 23
Win: 9
Draw: 7
Loss: 7
Points per game: 1.5

Thanks - that's interesting reading. :agree:

[Springbank]

I think this time the aspiration is genuine but last summers signings on the back of not great recruitment before that and all the changes of manager snd back room staff have made it very difficult
We are getting rid of players who need to move on but we had too many to get them all moved on
But progress is being made
Fish will be in place for next round of Europe and if we could get Myko back for then and Boyle is match fit and all our inured players back (bar Cadden who out long term ) we would have a fighting chance of progressing
Finishing fourth would of increased our chances and bought us a bit more time


I think I see where you're coming from there, Ronnie (in that we wouldn't have the Andorrans to play, so would have had an extra week)

But, in reality this year, finishing 4th or 5th ought to have made no difference, if the only difference was facing Inter Club D'Escaldes.

The Europa Conference League qualifiers all come down to the luck of the draw.

Hearts could have been sat here today with Fenerbache and an all-but-guaranteed exit, despite the 4th placed finish, had one of five plastic balls fallen differently yesterday.

Fwiw I'm quietly happy with our draw so far - if you want the group stages you need to take on someone somewhere with a higher coefficient, and I'd rather try and take out Djuragarden than face an Athletic Bilbao, an Aston Villa or (at one stage) a Juve.

Would be happier with the big Fish and Myko in place for the 3rd round game though, and hope guys like Newell etc don't pick up silly bookings or reds vs the Andorrans this time round too.

[EGL2000]

That's a few times now the price for myko has been mentioned in that Troyes need to lower it , with even the player rumoured to have asked them to lower it too . Wonder what kind of figure they are looking for tbh ? . Hopefully the two clubs come to an agreement with them meeting somewhere in the middle.🤞

I would have been expecting around 1 million.

[Ronniekirk]

I think I see where you're coming from there, Ronnie (in that we wouldn't have the Andorrans to play, so would have had an extra week)

But, in reality this year, finishing 4th or 5th ought to have made no difference, if the only difference was facing Inter Club D'Escaldes.

The Europa Conference League qualifiers all come down to the luck of the draw.

Hearts could have been sat here today with Fenerbache and an all-but-guaranteed exit, despite the 4th placed finish, had one of five plastic balls fallen differently yesterday.

Fwiw I'm quietly happy with our draw so far - if you want the group stages you need to take on someone somewhere with a higher coefficient, and I'd rather try and take out Djuragarden than face an Athletic Bilbao, an Aston Villa or (at one stage) a Juve.

Would be happier with the big Fish and Myko in place for the 3rd round game though, and hope guys like Newell etc don't pick up silly bookings or reds vs the Andorrans this time round too.
When put like that then yes would of wanted to avoid Villa and Bilbao

[nonshinyfinish]

Fwiw I'm quietly happy with our draw so far - if you want the group stages you need to take on someone somewhere with a higher coefficient, and I'd rather try and take out Djuragarden than face an Athletic Bilbao, an Aston Villa or (at one stage) a Juve.

Even if we beat Djurgardens, it's unlikely that we'd be seeded for the following round unless a load of higher-coefficient teams get knocked out (six, I think someone said?). From our pot, Gent, Cluj and Plzen were the teams where beating them would mean being seeded in the following round.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

How i see it at this moment:

GK: Walacott / McGregor

RB: Miller / Megwa [Cadden]
CB: *Fish / Rocky
CB: Hanlon / Harbottle
LB: Obita / Stevenson

CM: Jeggo / Henderson
CM: Levitt / Campbell
CM: Newell / JDH

RW: Boyle / Melk [McKirdy]
LW: Youan / Mackay
CF: *Kuchy / ALF / Doidge

Out: Tavares

[Trinity Hibee]

How i see it at this moment:

GK: Walacott / McGregor

RB: Miller / Megwa [Cadden]
CB: *Fish / Rocky
CB: Hanlon / Harbottle
LB: Obita / Stevenson

CM: Jeggo / Henderson
CM: Levitt / Campbell
CM: Newell / JDH

RW: Boyle / Melk [McKirdy]
LW: Youan / Mackay
CF: *Kuchy / ALF / Doidge

Out: Tavares

Think you mean Marshall at GK

[oneone73]

How i see it at this moment:

GK: Walacott / McGregor

RB: Miller / Megwa [Cadden]
CB: *Fish / Rocky
CB: Hanlon / Harbottle
LB: Obita / Stevenson

CM: Jeggo / Henderson
CM: Levitt / Campbell
CM: Newell / JDH

RW: Boyle / Melk [McKirdy]
LW: Youan / Mackay
CF: *Kuchy / ALF / Doidge

Out: Tavares

I love Big Daz, but he's no goalie

[Smartie]

Think you mean Marshall at GK

I thought it was a particularly creative attempt at solving the “what do we do when Darren McGregor no longer has the legs to play outfield for Hibs” problem.

[Hibernian Verse]

I thought it was a particularly creative attempt at solving the “what do we do when Darren McGregor no longer has the legs to play outfield for Hibs” problem.

Either that or he knows something we don't about the hun.

[Brightside]

How i see it at this moment:

GK: Walacott / McGregor

RB: Miller / Megwa [Cadden]
CB: *Fish / Rocky
CB: Hanlon / Harbottle
LB: Obita / Stevenson

CM: Jeggo / Henderson
CM: Levitt / Campbell
CM: Newell / JDH

RW: Boyle / Melk [McKirdy]
LW: Youan / Mackay
CF: *Kuchy / ALF / Doidge

Out: Tavares

Who is that in goals. 😂😂

[Springbank]

When put like that then yes would of wanted to avoid Villa and Bilbao

:aok: Save them for the quarter final...

[BlackSheep]

Thanks - that's interesting reading. :agree:

I’m interested in what this data means to you?

I think assessing goals scored over that period rather than wins would be a more interesting piece of data, as the strikers don’t 100% affect the outcome of the game… they could score 5 goals but a poor defence concedes 6….

[NAE NOOKIE]

Even if we beat Djurgardens, it's unlikely that we'd be seeded for the following round unless a load of higher-coefficient teams get knocked out (six, I think someone said?). From our pot, Gent, Cluj and Plzen were the teams where beating them would mean being seeded in the following round.

I've yet to see anybody say 'if we beat the winner of Djurgardens v Luzern. If folk are so confident the Swiss club have absolutely no chance in this tie, how the hell can we have any confidence whatsoever that Hibs could get past them, if it does turn out to be Djurgardens we play?

Mind you, given our league cup debacle last season I'm not entirely convinced we'll even make the next round :greengrin

[nonshinyfinish]

I've yet to see anybody say 'if we beat the winner of Djurgardens v Luzern. If folk are so confident the Swiss club have absolutely no chance in this tie, how the hell can we have any confidence whatsoever that Hibs could get past them, if it does turn out to be Djurgardens we play?

Mind you, given our league cup debacle last season I'm not entirely convinced we'll even make the next round :greengrinI've no idea who's more likely to win out of those two, I'm just commenting on the claim that beating Djurgardens would mean we're seeded in the following round.

[matty_f]

I’m interested in what this data means to you?

I think assessing goals scored over that period rather than wins would be a more interesting piece of data, as the strikers don’t 100% affect the outcome of the game… they could score 5 goals but a poor defence concedes 6….

I don’t think any one player 100% affects the outcome of the game and those stats quoted on their own really don’t tell us anything. My interest is in how the player is judged on here and whether the criteria used on other players would also apply here.

Think this thread has gone off topic enough already without me taking it on another tangent but hopefully that answers your question

[badabing67]

Travelling to Blackpool or signing?

No idea, the article just said Will Fish expected Saturday. Whether that means he is moving up Saturday or signing Saturday or meeting up with the squad on Saturday I coudn't tell you for sure. You now know as much as I do

Hibernian manager names date he expects Will Fish to leave Manchester United on loan - Manchester Evening News (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/will-fish-hibernian-transfer-united-27374740)

[BlackSheep]

I don’t think any one player 100% affects the outcome of the game and those stats quoted on their own really don’t tell us anything. My interest is in how the player is judged on here and whether the criteria used on other players would also apply here.

Think this thread has gone off topic enough already without me taking it on another tangent but hopefully that answers your question

No worries i was just curious in case there was an angle i hadn't myself thought of.

Do you think Myko (or others) are judged purely on whether we won or lost while they were involved?

[matty_f]

No worries i was just curious in case there was an angle i hadn't myself thought of.

Do you think Myko (or others) are judged purely on whether we won or lost while they were involved?

I'll PM you rather than taking this off topic :aok:

[Donegal Hibby]

I would have been expecting around 1 million.
I was thinking About £700,000 , £800,000 and we are trying to negotiate probably down to around 5 or 6 though you could very well be right .

[Hibernian Verse]

I was thinking About £700,000 , £800,000 and we are trying to negotiate probably down to around 5 or 6 though you could very well be right .

Wouldn't surprise me if he becomes our new record signing.

[Hibees1973]

Really don't get the hype regarding Myko.

Looking at his history over the last three years he played just 2 games (13 minutes) for Troyes. Around a dozen on loan in Belgium and 15 games for us. When he was transferred to Troyes from his club in the Ukraine in 2021 the fee was 300k euros, around £260k according to Transfer Markt.

When he signed on loan for us last season he was only fit and available for 15 games and a good number of these were as sub. He was not available for selection for around 30 games due to injury.

If rumours are true it's little wonder Hibs are trying to negotiate a lower fee. From what he has done over the last few years I cannot see why his transfer fee will have increased by the £260k Troyes originally paid. He has played 2 games for Troyes who have punted him out on loan for a couple of years. It's clear they don't want/need him and reckon he is not good enough for their level.

As someone has said earlier Hibs have had their fingers burnt a few times paying large transfer fees for players who have not cut it with us.

Yes, Myko did show promise in the few games he played for us. But there are red flags all over his potential transfer regarding the fee, his fitness and injury record last season.

[hibee1875]

Really don't get the hype regarding Myko.

Looking at his history over the last three years he played just 2 games (13 minutes) for Troyes. Around a dozen on loan in Belgium and 15 games for us. When he was transferred to Troyes from his club in the Ukraine in 2021 the fee was 300k euros, around £260k according to Transfer Markt.

When he signed on loan for us last season he was only fit and available for 15 games and a good number of these were as sub. He was not available for selection for around 30 games due to injury.

If rumours are true it's little wonder Hibs are trying to negotiate a lower fee. From what he has done over the last few years I cannot see why his transfer fee will have increased by the £260k Troyes originally paid. He has played 2 games for Troyes who have punted him out on loan for a couple of years. It's clear they don't want/need him and reckon he is not good enough for their level.

As someone has said earlier Hibs have had their fingers burnt a few times paying large transfer fees for players who have not cut it with us.

Yes, Myko did show promise in the few games he played for us. But there are red flags all over his potential transfer regarding the fee, his fitness and injury record last season.

Did you watch him play for us?

[Springbank]

Really don't get the hype regarding Myko.

Looking at his history over the last three years he played just 2 games (13 minutes) for Troyes. Around a dozen on loan in Belgium and 15 games for us. When he was transferred to Troyes from his club in the Ukraine in 2021 the fee was 300k euros, around £260k according to Transfer Markt.

When he signed on loan for us last season he was only fit and available for 15 games and a good number of these were as sub. He was not available for selection for around 30 games due to injury.

If rumours are true it's little wonder Hibs are trying to negotiate a lower fee. From what he has done over the last few years I cannot see why his transfer fee will have increased by the £260k Troyes originally paid. He has played 2 games for Troyes who have punted him out on loan for a couple of years. It's clear they don't want/need him and reckon he is not good enough for their level.

As someone has said earlier Hibs have had their fingers burnt a few times paying large transfer fees for players who have not cut it with us.

Yes, Myko did show promise in the few games he played for us. But there are red flags all over his potential transfer regarding the fee, his fitness and injury record last season.

Might well explain the relatively slow progress on discussions if, reasonably (on all sides), you have Troyes saying "if he proves his fitness, he's worth more than £300k", and Hibs pointing out that, until he proves his fitness, he's not worth more than £300k

It's an unusual set of circumstances and maybe Troyes should expect a structure that says £300k guaranteed, with (fairly easily reached) add-ons of a similar amount, if he plays 30+ games this season / scores 15+ goals / if we qualify for Europe / win a cup.

[erin go bragh]

That Elliott Anderson at Newcastle looks a decent prospect ,wouldn’t mind seeing him come in on loan.

Pretty sure we were rumoured to be interested in him a wee while ago

[Smartie]

Really don't get the hype regarding Myko.

Looking at his history over the last three years he played just 2 games (13 minutes) for Troyes. Around a dozen on loan in Belgium and 15 games for us. When he was transferred to Troyes from his club in the Ukraine in 2021 the fee was 300k euros, around £260k according to Transfer Markt.

When he signed on loan for us last season he was only fit and available for 15 games and a good number of these were as sub. He was not available for selection for around 30 games due to injury.

If rumours are true it's little wonder Hibs are trying to negotiate a lower fee. From what he has done over the last few years I cannot see why his transfer fee will have increased by the £260k Troyes originally paid. He has played 2 games for Troyes who have punted him out on loan for a couple of years. It's clear they don't want/need him and reckon he is not good enough for their level.

As someone has said earlier Hibs have had their fingers burnt a few times paying large transfer fees for players who have not cut it with us.

Yes, Myko did show promise in the few games he played for us. But there are red flags all over his potential transfer regarding the fee, his fitness and injury record last season.

This is the problem I have with the use of stats in football. Having watched Myko, there was no way any sort of argument could be made that he was anything other than a very good player. At the start he was doing everything but score, then he started scoring.

The issue with Myko is his injury record and the stat that counts there are the minutes he’s had on the park for Hibs since October, something you don’t really need a stat for.

Whether he’s worthy of us pushing the boat out for financially us a matter of judgment, nuance and opinion.

It could be argued that the only reason he’s within our price range is his injury record.

Were injuries the reason he didn’t play more for Troyes or was it that he was a young player not yet deemed worthy of a first team chance at their level?

[Hibees1973]

Did you watch him play for us?

Yes I've watched him, as have most of us on here.

Your reply is bordering on sarcastic but my opinion is why pay more than £260k for him based on the last 2 or 3 years.

Maybe you feel we should pay more, but some of the figures quoted on here of £500k - £1m are way over what Hibs should pay based on what he has done.

[BobMilne]

Always find it ironic that we spend so much of the season saying that our goal is to qualify for Europe yet, when it comes round we are always underprepared and squad isn’t complete and we usually get quotes like “ it’s iimportant that squad is ready for the league season.”

If Europe is the goal, Prepare for it.

Spot on. Does my head in

[Callum_62]

Yes I've watched him, as have most of us on here.

Your reply is bordering on sarcastic but my opinion is why pay more than £260k for him based on the last 2 or 3 years.

Maybe you feel we should pay more, but some of the figures quoted on here of £500k - £1m are way over what Hibs should pay based on what he has done.What was the fee for youan?

I don't particularly remember him Standing out as an unbelievable player when we first signed him

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[Johnny_Leith]

What was the fee for youan?

I don't particularly remember him Standing out as an unbelievable player when we first signed him

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To you. Youans quality has been obvious since day 1 imo.

[Callum_62]

To you. Youans quality has been obvious since day 1 imo.I'm talking about stats before we seen him play

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[weecounty hibby]

Efe signs for QoS

[Johnny_Leith]

I'm talking about stats before we seen him play

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Ah, gotcha.

[Hibees1973]

Always find it ironic that we spend so much of the season saying that our goal is to qualify for Europe yet, when it comes round we are always underprepared and squad isn’t complete and we usually get quotes like “ it’s iimportant that squad is ready for the league season.”

If Europe is the goal, Prepare for it.

Agreed.

Towards the end of last season it was clear Nisbet was going to leave as he only had one year left on his contract, so Hibs would have had a lengthy list of targets to replace our main striker.

Nisbet left at the start of the window and I know Le Fondre was brought, in but in reality we can only expect 20 games from him this season given his age. As one of the big 5 in Scotland we are starting earliest so I would have hoped to have a better squad in place for Europe. Our problem has been that recruitment have needed to spend a lot of time and money shifting out previous transfer mistakes. There are still some here who contribute nothing.

As a 1st team striker has not been brought in yet, it's becoming obvious that recruitment have missed out on their initial targets.

The 3rd qualifying round of the Europa Conference League was going to put us up against a team of quality like Djurgardens. We have not strengthened enough to be confident of beating them.

[EGL2000]

I was thinking About £700,000 , £800,000 and we are trying to negotiate probably down to around 5 or 6 though you could very well be right .

I just think because of his age and he has all the attributes to be a top player. Also it's a city group team who are very experienced in squeezing every inch of value out of players.

[Hibernian Verse]

Agreed.

Towards the end of last season it was clear Nisbet was going to leave as he only had one year left on his contract, so Hibs would have had a lengthy list of targets to replace our main striker.

Nisbet left at the start of the window and I know Le Fondre was brought, in but in reality we can only expect 20 games from him this season given his age. As one of the big 5 in Scotland we are starting earliest so I would have hoped to have a better squad in place for Europe. Our problem has been that recruitment have needed to spend a lot of time and money shifting out previous transfer mistakes. There are still some here who contribute nothing.

As a 1st team striker has not been brought in yet, it's becoming obvious that recruitment have missed out on their initial targets.

The 3rd qualifying round of the Europa Conference League was going to put us up against a team of quality like Djurgardens. We have not strengthened enough to be confident of beating them.

I'd put money on the same conversations happening next year, and any other year we qualify for Europe. We are never going to have the perfect squad for European matches that start in late July, it's just the nature of the beast. We're not at the top of the food chain, we're not even in the middle of the food chain in fact, so our player turnover will always be high as our best players leave and we have to replace them.

Next season it'll be Youan who's away and won't be adequately replaced by 25/7/24 because that's the market we operate in.

Of course we could sign a striker that might not be any good just to keep fans happy but I'm glad that's not the route we are going down.

In conclusion, the club can't win either way IMO. Re: Djurgarden, they are 4th in their league which doesn't even put them in a European spot, and we have no idea how they are looking compared to how well they did last season. They lost players to Rijeka, Burnley, Go Ahead, and Poznan - presumably good ones - because they had a good season. Have they replaced them adequately? We will find out soon.

[EGL2000]

Really don't get the hype regarding Myko.

Looking at his history over the last three years he played just 2 games (13 minutes) for Troyes. Around a dozen on loan in Belgium and 15 games for us. When he was transferred to Troyes from his club in the Ukraine in 2021 the fee was 300k euros, around £260k according to Transfer Markt.

When he signed on loan for us last season he was only fit and available for 15 games and a good number of these were as sub. He was not available for selection for around 30 games due to injury.

If rumours are true it's little wonder Hibs are trying to negotiate a lower fee. From what he has done over the last few years I cannot see why his transfer fee will have increased by the £260k Troyes originally paid. He has played 2 games for Troyes who have punted him out on loan for a couple of years. It's clear they don't want/need him and reckon he is not good enough for their level.

As someone has said earlier Hibs have had their fingers burnt a few times paying large transfer fees for players who have not cut it with us.

Yes, Myko did show promise in the few games he played for us. But there are red flags all over his potential transfer regarding the fee, his fitness and injury record last season.

I thought you could instantly tell he was a top quality player. Just shows you opinions can massively differ. I think a large percentage of fans could see he had quality, but maybe wouldn't want to take the injury risk.

[neil7908]

What was the fee for youan?

I don't particularly remember him Standing out as an unbelievable player when we first signed him

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That's the point though right? We got a full season to look at Youan and see him develop over a good number of games before buying him. If we'd announced we'd signed Youan permanently in November folk (including me) would be having kittens as he was very up and down at first.

I like Myko btw and want us to get him but I'd be much more comfortable with a loan and option to buy. He barely played for us last year. If he does sign we better have a really thorough medical.

[brog]

I'd put money on the same conversations happening next year, and any other year we qualify for Europe. We are never going to have the perfect squad for European matches that start in late July, it's just the nature of the beast. We're not at the top of the food chain, we're not even in the middle of the food chain in fact, so our player turnover will always be high as our best players leave and we have to replace them.

Next season it'll be Youan who's away and won't be adequately replaced by 25/7/24 because that's the market we operate in.

Of course we could sign a striker that might not be any good just to keep fans happy but I'm glad that's not the route we are going down.

In conclusion, the club can't win either way IMO. Re: Djurgarden, they are 4th in their league which doesn't even put them in a European spot, and we have no idea how they are looking compared to how well they did last season. They lost players to Rijeka, Burnley, Go Ahead, and Poznan - presumably good ones - because they had a good season. Have they replaced them adequately? We will find out soon.

Far too sensible!

[Smartie]

I'd put money on the same conversations happening next year, and any other year we qualify for Europe. We are never going to have the perfect squad for European matches that start in late July, it's just the nature of the beast. We're not at the top of the food chain, we're not even in the middle of the food chain in fact, so our player turnover will always be high as our best players leave and we have to replace them.

Next season it'll be Youan who's away and won't be adequately replaced by 25/7/24 because that's the market we operate in.

Of course we could sign a striker that might not be any good just to keep fans happy but I'm glad that's not the route we are going down.

In conclusion, the club can't win either way IMO. Re: Djurgarden, they are 4th in their league which doesn't even put them in a European spot, and we have no idea how they are looking compared to how well they did last season. They lost players to Rijeka, Burnley, Go Ahead, and Poznan - presumably good ones - because they had a good season. Have they replaced them adequately? We will find out soon.

I suspect we'll be in a better position for having had McDermott in position for a while.

And if we eventually do the business we need to during a summer (any summer) the need for essential transfer business the following summer will be reduced. Hopefully we get the right building blocks in place this year.

[badabing67]

When does the squad fly out to Andorra

[Hibernian Verse]

I suspect we'll be in a better position for having had McDermott in position for a while.

And if we eventually do the business we need to during a summer (any summer) the need for essential transfer business the following summer will be reduced. Hopefully we get the right building blocks in place this year.

Certainly hope so Smartie. But at our level it'll be an ongoing cycle, we will need to improve year on year and never truly be ready.

[Smartie]

Certainly hope so Smartie. But at our level it'll be an ongoing cycle, we will need to improve year on year and never truly be ready.

There’s a gap between “ready / good enough” and perfect. I don’t think we’ll ever be at a stage where it’s perfect but we should always be in position to be ready / good enough.

I find it crazy to think that we shouldn’t at least be aspiring to that level.

[Hibernian Verse]

There’s a gap between “ready / good enough” and perfect. I don’t think we’ll ever be at a stage where it’s perfect but we should always be in position to be ready / good enough.

I find it crazy to think that we shouldn’t at least be aspiring to that level.

Yeah you're right, which I think backs up my point that Hibees1973 will still think we aren't ready next year regardless of how well prepared the squad is :greengrin

[fat freddy]

When does the squad fly out to Andorra

Fly out Wednesday, returning straight after the game according to Evening News

[Alex Trager]

Certainly hope so Smartie. But at our level it'll be an ongoing cycle, we will need to improve year on year and never truly be ready.

How come Rangers manage it then? They’re in the same position, granted they are further up the food chain but they play teams further up the food chain.

They’ve done pretty well in qualifiers over the past few years through having a quality squad and replacing any departing quality, of which I can’t think of many leaving tbf.

Get the squad in a good position where players come in into the first team and improve it. Players leave either up or down, but you know who is likely to leave. Replace them with suitable targets, early. Be ready for Europe. Win it.

[Real Emerald]

It’s possible that we start against St Mirren and maybe even the 3rd qualifying round with only one addition (Levitt) being added from last year and still without Boyle, Cadden and a Nisbet replacement. We could end up with a forward line of 2 players we’re trying to move on and an inexperienced right back/wing back. That would be a first team looking worse than most of what we had last season which doesn’t scream a great window. We could however get Boyle back and a Nisbet replacement but as it stands we’re not much further forward than we were, you could argue we’ve went backwards as far as the Euro tie is concerned.

[badabing67]

Fly out Wednesday, returning straight after the game according to Evening News

Thanks for info

[Hibernian Verse]

How come Rangers manage it then? They’re in the same position, granted they are further up the food chain but they play teams further up the food chain.

They’ve done pretty well in qualifiers over the past few years through having a quality squad and replacing any departing quality, of which I can’t think of many leaving tbf.

Get the squad in a good position where players come in into the first team and improve it. Players leave either up or down, but you know who is likely to leave. Replace them with suitable targets, early. Be ready for Europe. Win it.

I think comparing us with Rangers is an unfair comparison, as they can pay millions in fees to get players in quickly. We are trying to negotiate for Myko because we can't afford to pay the fee (whatever it is). They also start later, there's every chance we could be ready for 9th August when they play their first qualifier.

Compare us with Hearts and Aberdeen. Hearts are nowhere near ready, and Aberdeen don't start until September I don't think.

Any club starting their campaign in July is going to struggle to get a full squad, that's just the reality.

[Alex Trager]

I think comparing us with Rangers is an unfair comparison, as they can pay millions in fees to get players in quickly. We are trying to negotiate for Myko because we can't afford to pay the fee (whatever it is). They also start later, there's every chance we could be ready for 9th August when they play their first qualifier.

Compare us with Hearts and Aberdeen. Hearts are nowhere near ready, and Aberdeen don't start until September I don't think.

Any club starting their campaign in July is going to struggle to get a full squad, that's just the reality.

It doesn’t have to be a full squad.

Our campaign starts pretty much in August mate. And the ties that we are all concerned about are the same week as Rangers’.

I’m not asking for us to pay millions in fees, just what we can afford.

[B.H.F.C]

There’s a gap between “ready / good enough” and perfect. I don’t think we’ll ever be at a stage where it’s perfect but we should always be in position to be ready / good enough.

I find it crazy to think that we shouldn’t at least be aspiring to that level.

I think we need to aspire to better. Also think there are reasons why we are where we are this summer.

Are we ready / good enough for the stage we’re at though? I’d say yes. We’ll win our European tie and I expect us to beat St Mirren at home with what we have. I do, however, think we’ll have strengthened the squad by the time we play St Mirren. We’re also due to have Newell and Miller back this week. We have Boyle and Obita to follow that.

I’m no for a minute saying it’s perfect, far from it. But I’m no sure we could have, realistically, done much more this summer so far. There certainly isn’t an unwillingness to spend or anything like that.

[Hibernian Verse]

It doesn’t have to be a full squad.

Our campaign starts pretty much in August mate. And the ties that we are all concerned about are the same week as Rangers’.

I’m not asking for us to pay millions in fees, just what we can afford.

Our campaign literally starts in July. We might have a striker in for the Djurgardens game. Then we're pretty much good to go. Still 2 and a bit weeks of ins/outs to come before that.

We're trying to get players in, like Myko, that are "better" than what we can afford.

[Hibees1973]

Yeah you're right, which I think backs up my point that Hibees1973 will still think we aren't ready next year regardless of how well prepared the squad is :greengrin

Who knows what position we will be in next year. Maybe the likes of Tavares, Henderson and some others will still be taking a wage and contributing nothing.

I think most of us will feel we are not prepared for a European Conference League 3rd round qualifying round, without a a suitable replacement for Nisbet.

Johnson & Kensall were quoted 'we are aiming for the Group stages'. Sorry, but we are miles away from that with the current squad.

[Donegal Hibby]

I thought you could instantly tell he was a top quality player. Just shows you opinions can massively differ. I think a large percentage of fans could see he had quality, but maybe wouldn't want to take the injury risk.
You could definitely see from the first time Myko played for us that he was a top quality player . I think if we get him he will be a top player for us and a really exciting signing .

I think if we are after him the club don't see the injury that he's had at us the last time as one that's going to cause him further problem's in the future especially if he's going to cost a fair bit of money as well .

[Hibbyradge]

Who knows what position we will be in next year. Maybe the likes of Tavares, Henderson and some others will still be taking a wage and contributing nothing.

I think most of us will feel we are not prepared for a European Conference League 3rd round qualifying round, without a a suitable replacement for Nisbet.

Johnson & Kensall were quoted 'we are aiming for the Group stages'. Sorry, but we are miles away from that with the current squad.

Where should they be aiming for?

[hibee1875]

Yes I've watched him, as have most of us on here.

Your reply is bordering on sarcastic but my opinion is why pay more than £260k for him based on the last 2 or 3 years.

Maybe you feel we should pay more, but some of the figures quoted on here of £500k - £1m are way over what Hibs should pay based on what he has done.

My reply was aimed at your “I don’t get the hype”. If that level of player doesn’t excite you as a potential Hibs signing what level are you looking at?

[Paul1642]

We have a team that looks like being competitive for 3rd and being decent in the conference league. 5th largest budget in the SPFL doest get better than that without living outwith your means or compromising future budget for short team gain.

[Hibernian Verse]

Who knows what position we will be in next year. Maybe the likes of Tavares, Henderson and some others will still be taking a wage and contributing nothing.

I think most of us will feel we are not prepared for a European Conference League 3rd round qualifying round, without a a suitable replacement for Nisbet.

Johnson & Kensall were quoted 'we are aiming for the Group stages'. Sorry, but we are miles away from that with the current squad.

We’re miles away anyway. We’re going to have to play someone like Juventus or Bilbao to reach that.

[Smartie]

I think we need to aspire to better. Also think there are reasons why we are where we are this summer.

Are we ready / good enough for the stage we’re at though? I’d say yes. We’ll win our European tie and I expect us to beat St Mirren at home with what we have. I do, however, think we’ll have strengthened the squad by the time we play St Mirren. We’re also due to have Newell and Miller back this week. We have Boyle and Obita to follow that.

I’m no for a minute saying it’s perfect, far from it. But I’m no sure we could have, realistically, done much more this summer so far. There certainly isn’t an unwillingness to spend or anything like that.

I was very happy with the start we made to the window - some decent arrivals and some boldness re departures.

It’s just stalled a bit and I disagree that we’ve currently got enough to be confident taking on St Mirren or the European tie, I think we’re a bit short and I was dismayed to hear Johnson’s words about seeing where we were in 3 or 4 games.

I actually think the Rangers point is a fair one. They’ve identified European success as being a core part of what makes them succeed as a club and they’ve prepared appropriately. Let’s face it, for them it’s arguably existential as they need the money. They might have millions to spend but they still need to convince clubs who have players worth millions to part with them, the situation isn’t all that different to ours.

If we had a problem position needing sorted, a slight lack of depth or something I think I’d be calmer but going into big, competitive games with a weak looking spine and potentially other problems if we’re unlucky with injury feels more pub team than professional outfit poised for success.

[Unseen work]

I was very happy with the start we made to the window - some decent arrivals and some boldness re departures.

It’s just stalled a bit and I disagree that we’ve currently got enough to be confident taking on St Mirren or the European tie, I think we’re a bit short and I was dismayed to hear Johnson’s words about seeing where we were in 3 or 4 games.

I actually think the Rangers point is a fair one. They’ve identified European success as being a core part of what makes them succeed as a club and they’ve prepared appropriately. Let’s face it, for them it’s arguably existential as they need the money. They might have millions to spend but they still need to convince clubs who have players worth millions to part with them, the situation isn’t all that different to ours.

If we had a problem position needing sorted, a slight lack of depth or something I think I’d be calmer but going into big, competitive games with a weak looking spine and potentially other problems if we’re unlucky with injury feels more pub team than professional outfit poised for success.

I genuinely wouldn’t read too much into Johnson’s comments when it comes to signings.

Think he’s the type to play alot of mind games etc.

Look at Kenneh, praised one day and sent out on loan the next.

[04Sauzee]

Terry Taylor who I think was mentioned at some point on this thread looks like he's signing for Charlton

[B.H.F.C]

I was very happy with the start we made to the window - some decent arrivals and some boldness re departures.

It’s just stalled a bit and I disagree that we’ve currently got enough to be confident taking on St Mirren or the European tie, I think we’re a bit short and I was dismayed to hear Johnson’s words about seeing where we were in 3 or 4 games.

I actually think the Rangers point is a fair one. They’ve identified European success as being a core part of what makes them succeed as a club and they’ve prepared appropriately. Let’s face it, for them it’s arguably existential as they need the money. They might have millions to spend but they still need to convince clubs who have players worth millions to part with them, the situation isn’t all that different to ours.

If we had a problem position needing sorted, a slight lack of depth or something I think I’d be calmer but going into big, competitive games with a weak looking spine and potentially other problems if we’re unlucky with injury feels more pub team than professional outfit poised for success.

You don’t think we currently have enough to feel we can beat a team from Andorra or be confident of taking on St Mirren at home? Really?

[Hibees1973]

My reply was aimed at your “I don’t get the hype”. If that level of player doesn’t excite you as a potential Hibs signing what level are you looking at?

My 'I don't get the hype' was around him only being able fit to play 15 games out of 45 for us. Speculation on here that Hibs should be willing to pay £500,000+ for him and his stats previous to joining Hibs.

He looked OK when he was here, he was fine and possibly worth signing. Another loan would be less of a risk with an option to buy. I'm not disputing he looked good.

But I reckon he is only worth £250k - £300k, the fee Troyes paid for him 2 years ago. He also comes with a red flag that he was unable to play for us for 2/3rds of last season.

[CapitalGreen]

My 'I don't get the hype' was around him only being able fit to play 15 games out of 45 for us. Speculation on here that Hibs should be willing to pay £500,000+ for him and his stats previous to joining Hibs.

He looked OK when he was here, he was fine and possibly worth signing. Another loan would be less of a risk with an option to buy. I'm not disputing he looked good.

But I reckon he is only worth £250k - £300k, the fee Troyes paid for him 2 years ago. He also comes with a red flag that he was unable to play for us for 2/3rds of last season.

I agree his fitness is a concern but your numbers are off. He was only at the club for 32 games and he was available for 16 of them.

[Smartie]

You don’t think we currently have enough to feel we can beat a team from Andorra or be confident of taking on St Mirren at home? Really?

I think we comfortably have enough to beat the Andorran team, I don’t think we have quite enough for the next round. Probably not far off, nothing that 2or 3 good signings wouldn’t solve but I don’t think we’re there yet.

St Mirren are no mugs, they’re a good side. As much as anything I think our chances of 3rd will depend on dropping minimal points at home to non top 4 teams. If we were to fall short of competing with Aberdeen and Hearts they’ll probably be our closest rivals so this is a big game for us, not one to be going into under strength.

[B.H.F.C]

I think we comfortably have enough to beat the Andorran team, I don’t think we have quite enough for the next round. Probably not far off, nothing that 2or 3 good signings wouldn’t solve but I don’t think we’re there yet.

St Mirren are no mugs, they’re a good side. As much as anything I think our chances of 3rd will depend on dropping minimal points at home to non top 4 teams. If we were to fall short of competing with Aberdeen and Hearts they’ll probably be our closest rivals so this is a big game for us, not one to be going into under strength.

I think we will need more to get through the next round but we’re not at that point yet. By the time we are, I think we’ll have another couple in the door. I think we’ll have some of the short term injuries back and I think we’ll have Boyle back on the pitch.

As for the league starting, better Hibs teams than this one have lost games to them, so of course we could lose the game. But we certainly have enough to win that game and, again, I think we’ll have added by then as well.

We undoubtedly have more work to do, I just think we’ve already done quite a lot of good work and some expectations of what we could or should have done are a bit unrealistic. I will add that if we go out of Europe in the next round having failed to add a striker, I’d not be particularly happy.

[Weststandwanab]

Might well explain the relatively slow progress on discussions if, reasonably (on all sides), you have Troyes saying "if he proves his fitness, he's worth more than £300k", and Hibs pointing out that, until he proves his fitness, he's not worth more than £300k

It's an unusual set of circumstances and maybe Troyes should expect a structure that says £300k guaranteed, with (fairly easily reached) add-ons of a similar amount, if he plays 30+ games this season / scores 15+ goals / if we qualify for Europe / win a cup.

Far too sensible

[Springbank]

Far too sensible

Don't worry, it was a one off

I'll be telling you soon that ALF is actually imo a really smart signing, as a "last 20 min" poacher sub for home games (the kind of guy we really missed last season)

I actually believe that, so, here ends Captain Sensible :)

[Donegal Hibby]

[QUOTE=Hibees1973;7401550]My 'I don't get the hype' was around him only being able fit to play 15 games out of 45 for us. Speculation on here that Hibs should be willing to pay £500,000+ for him and his stats previous to joining Hibs.

He looked OK when he was here, he was fine and possibly worth signing. Another loan would be less of a risk with an option to buy. I'm not disputing he looked good.

But I reckon he is only worth £250k - £300k, the fee Troyes paid for him 2 years ago. He also comes with a red flag that he was unable to play for us for 2/3rds of last season.[/QUOTE\]

We must be watching different players if you thought he looked only ok ? Think he was more than just ok tbh . He might have been just unfortunate with a injury in his time here , I'm sure the club won't spend decent money if they think there's a injury problem there that's going to cause problems btw .

As to his valuation , it would be great to get him for what you reckon he's worth though if Livvy value Nouble at £1million quid I think Troyes have every right to look for well over 500k for what is a much better quality player TBH.

[MrRobot]

It’s possible that we start against St Mirren and maybe even the 3rd qualifying round with only one addition (Levitt) being added from last year and still without Boyle, Cadden and a Nisbet replacement. We could end up with a forward line of 2 players we’re trying to move on and an inexperienced right back/wing back. That would be a first team looking worse than most of what we had last season which doesn’t scream a great window. We could however get Boyle back and a Nisbet replacement but as it stands we’re not much further forward than we were, you could argue we’ve went backwards as far as the Euro tie is concerned.

Why wouldn’t we be playing any of the other new players we have signed? :confused:

[04Sauzee]

Connor McLennan signs for Salford.

[JimBHibees]

How come Rangers manage it then? They’re in the same position, granted they are further up the food chain but they play teams further up the food chain.

They’ve done pretty well in qualifiers over the past few years through having a quality squad and replacing any departing quality, of which I can’t think of many leaving tbf.

Get the squad in a good position where players come in into the first team and improve it. Players leave either up or down, but you know who is likely to leave. Replace them with suitable targets, early. Be ready for Europe. Win it.

Comparing us to Rangers :confused:

[JimBHibees]

Where should they be aiming for?

Getting knocked out by an Andorran team ? :greengrin

[04Sauzee]

Declan Gallagher looks like he's signing for Dundee Utd.

[Real Emerald]

Why wouldn’t we be playing any of the other new players we have signed? :confused:

In my opinion only Levitt will be a first team stalwart. Obita looks good but is currently injured and untested. Harbottle looks a great signing but is he ready to be thrown in right away and I’m not sure Alf is any better than Doidge. Youan is a brilliant bit of business but was here last year. The rest were goal keepers. So in my reconning as we stand at the moment it’s likely that Levitt will be the only addition to the starting line up when the season kicks off. From last year we’ve lost a £2m international centre half, a £2m international striker, our only experienced right back/ wing back has been lost through injury and the very capable Egan-Riley is also away. We’ve no idea how Boyle will respond if ready and if any incoming transfer of Myko drags on, he might not be here or match fit for the first few games. That in my opinion is weaker at present than we were.

[Gaffer1875]

What’s the latest with Ethan Laidlaw?


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[Smartie]

Comparing us to Rangers :confused:

When we’re talking about how to improve our performance in Europe, comparing ourselves with someone who regularly does better than expected in Europe and figuring out if there’s anything about them we could copy is fair enough imo.

We don’t need to spend millions or spend beyond our means but ensuring you have an adequate squad in place for the important games starting has unsurprisingly served them well.

[brog]

When we’re talking about how to improve our performance in Europe, comparing ourselves with someone who regularly does better than expected in Europe and figuring out if there’s anything about them we could copy is fair enough imo.

We don’t need to spend millions or spend beyond our means but ensuring you have an adequate squad in place for the important games starting has unsurprisingly served them well.

You don't think The Rangers have spent beyond their means?

[JimBHibees]

When we’re talking about how to improve our performance in Europe, comparing ourselves with someone who regularly does better than expected in Europe and figuring out if there’s anything about them we could copy is fair enough imo.

We don’t need to spend millions or spend beyond our means but ensuring you have an adequate squad in place for the important games starting has unsurprisingly served them well.

We don't have the option of spending millions and getting someone straight off we need to play the game to an extent which naturally needs more time. Are we that bad off at present? Striker obvious need.

[jeffers]

What’s the latest with Ethan Laidlaw?


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Others probably know more than me but last I heard he was signing for Brentford.

[brog]

When we’re talking about how to improve our performance in Europe, comparing ourselves with someone who regularly does better than expected in Europe and figuring out if there’s anything about them we could copy is fair enough imo.

We don’t need to spend millions or spend beyond our means but ensuring you have an adequate squad in place for the important games starting has unsurprisingly served them well.


The Rangers were in CL group stages last season for 1st time in 12 years. They lost every game and set an unwanted record of minus 20 goal difference. I very much doubt their rabid fans think they're regularly doing better than expected in Europe.

[HibbyAndy]

The Rangers were in CL group stages last season for 1st time in 12 years. They lost every game and set an unwanted record of minus 20 goal difference. I very much doubt their rabid fans think they're regularly doing better than expected in Europe.

7-1 humiliation at home to Liverpool was absolute brilliant to watch

[SteveHFC]

Good interview with Harbottle.

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/riley-harbottle-sold-hibs-transfer-27385915?fbclid=IwAR04GCb53fVRu9BFKZ1BBiqiik4S_2rn PEvFs39dxkSoBhd38SrH_W5iqow_aem_AaxQz37MzuToO6JhiG M7TweKw3lxvgyqpI80eSUtXV1_7XPFkx-wUWqdxlWrv8XACJ4#lkiq4taiq47s9wdie2

[Ronniekirk]

In my opinion only Levitt will be a first team stalwart. Obita looks good but is currently injured and untested. Harbottle looks a great signing but is he ready to be thrown in right away and I’m not sure Alf is any better than Doidge. Youan is a brilliant bit of business but was here last year. The rest were goal keepers. So in my reconning as we stand at the moment it’s likely that Levitt will be the only addition to the starting line up when the season kicks off. From last year we’ve lost a £2m international centre half, a £2m international striker, our only experienced right back/ wing back has been lost through injury and the very capable Egan-Riley is also away. We’ve no idea how Boyle will respond if ready and if any incoming transfer of Myko drags on, he might not be here or match fit for the first few games. That in my opinion is weaker at present than we were.
When you read that it makes you realise that a lot still needs to happen in the transfer market and we need no more new injuries

[Paloschi]

Would like to see us go for Ruari Paton. Maybe a bit of a Simon Murray type gamble but could pay off

[HibbyAndy]

Would like to see us go for Ruari Paton. Maybe a bit of a Simon Murray type gamble but could pay off


Haven't we sent him out on loan ? Probably completely wrong lol

[Hibbyradge]

Would like to see us go for Ruari Paton. Maybe a bit of a Simon Murray type gamble but could pay off

He just signed for Queen's Park

[Donegal Hibby]

7-1 humiliation at home to Liverpool was absolute brilliant to watch
Clever bunch the Huns even tried to make a profit from that too ! 😂😂😂
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/23126113.rangers-remove-liverpool-7-1-souvenir-photo-fan-backlash/

[HibeeDaz6270]

Haven't we sent him out on loan ? Probably completely wrong lol
he left us in 2019

[HibbyAndy]

Clever bunch the Huns even tried to make a profit from that too ! 😂😂😂
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/23126113.rangers-remove-liverpool-7-1-souvenir-photo-fan-backlash/

Scotland's shame

[HibbyAndy]

he left us in 2019

:aok:

[StarMan10]

Ruari Paton was in our youth academy and got released at 17 I believe. Really kicked on with QOTS last season and signed with Queens Park this summer. Got 4 so far in the cup tonight.

Be interesting to see how he does in the Championship this year. Only 22 still.

[Chorley Hibee]

In my opinion only Levitt will be a first team stalwart. Obita looks good but is currently injured and untested. Harbottle looks a great signing but is he ready to be thrown in right away and I’m not sure Alf is any better than Doidge. Youan is a brilliant bit of business but was here last year. The rest were goal keepers. So in my reconning as we stand at the moment it’s likely that Levitt will be the only addition to the starting line up when the season kicks off. From last year we’ve lost a £2m international centre half, a £2m international striker, our only experienced right back/ wing back has been lost through injury and the very capable Egan-Riley is also away. We’ve no idea how Boyle will respond if ready and if any incoming transfer of Myko drags on, he might not be here or match fit for the first few games. That in my opinion is weaker at present than we were.

Add in the fact that Stevenson and Hanlon are another year older too, and I'm in total agreement that we're currently weaker than we were last season.

That's not a good position to be in given what a mess a huge chunk of last season was.

[Paloschi]

He just signed for Queen's Park

Getting them at QOTS mixed up! Thought he was at them last season

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Add in the fact that Stevenson and Hanlon are another year older too, and I'm in total agreement that we're currently weaker than we were last season.

That's not a good position to be in given what a mess a huge chunk of last season was.

Couldn’t disagree more. I think we are stronger and are putting in place some steady replacements for our aging defenders in Hanlon, Stevenson and Marshall.

A new defence of Wallacot, Miller, Rocky, Fish, Harbottle and Obita, with Hanlon and Stevenson pitching in from the bench is a very decent turnaround from last season IMO.

[Brightside]

Couldn’t disagree more. I think we are stronger and are putting in place some steady replacements for our aging defenders in Hanlon, Stevenson and Marshall.

A new defence of Wallacot, Miller, Rocky, Fish, Harbottle and Obita, with Hanlon and Stevenson pitching in from the bench is a very decent turnaround from last season IMO.

Hanlon will be starting until any of those defenders become better.

[McGhee]

Couldn’t disagree more. I think we are stronger and are putting in place some steady replacements for our aging defenders in Hanlon, Stevenson and Marshall.

A new defence of Wallacot, Miller, Rocky, Fish, Harbottle and Obita, with Hanlon and Stevenson pitching in from the bench is a very decent turnaround from last season IMO.

I agree with you. The scattergun approach of random signings, seems to have been replaced, with a focussed, professional approach to signing players that will improve the team, and the style of play. I think the club has vastly boosted the business model.

[Hibbyradge]

Getting them at QOTS mixed up! Thought he was at them last season

Easily done.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Add in the fact that Stevenson and Hanlon are another year older too, and I'm in total agreement that we're currently weaker than we were last season.

That's not a good position to be in given what a mess a huge chunk of last season was.

Imo there’s no doubt we’re weaker than last season. We’ve no striker anywhere near the standard required other than possibly an 36 year old and have lost Fish and Egan-Riley as well.

That’s not to say we will be weaker come the close of the window but I fully expect we’ll start the league campaign with a weaker squad than the one that finished last season.

[B.H.F.C]

Imo there’s no doubt we’re weaker than last season. We’ve no striker anywhere near the standard required other than possibly an 36 year old and have lost Fish and Egan-Riley as well.

That’s not to say we will be weaker come the close of the window but I fully expect we’ll start the league campaign with a weaker squad than the one that finished last season.

Loads of ways to look at it for me.

Fish will be back in imminently and with the other additions made we’ll be stronger defensively than what we had second half of last season.

Levitt improves the midfield so think we’re stronger in there. Also think there will be a further signing there by the end of the window.

Centre forward is the big, obvious gap. Over the course of the season I do think Nisbet’s loss will be offset by Youan playing for a full season instead of half a season and the goals Boyle will get. But we need a centre forward in quickly. And probably another wide option.

[Nicho87]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-refuse-to-rule-out-mykola-kukharevych-return-after-girona-swap-bid-falls-through-4231983

Interesting

[Greenio]

Being a stronger team is more than the lineup.

It's the set up, the cohesion, the staff, the behind the scenes operations, the momentum.

We are stronger than last season imo

[Donegal Hibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-refuse-to-rule-out-mykola-kukharevych-return-after-girona-swap-bid-falls-through-4231983

Interesting
A million pound spent on players and still looking to add players of the quality of Fish and Myko . We can't really say that the clubs not doing all they can and lacking in ambition TBH . I would rather sign Myko though would be happy enough with a loan and option to buy in fairness. Think we will get Fish hopefully .

[04Sauzee]

Looks like Will Fish played the full 90 last night for a young Man Utd in their defeat to Wrexham.

[Winston Ingram]

Looks like Will Fish played the full 90 last night for a young Man Utd in their defeat to Wrexham.

Aye. He’s getting pelters on Twitter by the looks of things🥴

[Bridge hibs]

Aye. He’s getting pelters on Twitter by the looks of things🥴

Just a ploy so man u can punt him to us on the cheap, come home agent Fish, your job is complete 🤣

[CallumLaidlaw]

Aye. He’s getting pelters on Twitter by the looks of things[emoji3061]

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[.Sean.]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-refuse-to-rule-out-mykola-kukharevych-return-after-girona-swap-bid-falls-through-4231983

Interesting
I thought Dnipro had folded?

[Billy Whizz]

I thought Dnipro had folded?

They played in Europe the other night

[.Sean.]

They played in Europe the other night
I’ve just had a wee check online. The Dnipro we played in the uefa cup went bankrupt in 2018. This current Dnipro team were founded in 2015

[JimBHibees]

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So not really getting pelters

[Stokesy's on fire]

They played in Europe the other night

SC Dnipro not the Dnipro hibs played

[bringbackbenny]

I’ve just had a wee check online. The Dnipro we played in the uefa cup went bankrupt in 2018. This current Dnipro team were founded in 2015


The Dnipro :wink: :greengrin

[Since452]

I’ve just had a wee check online. The Dnipro we played in the uefa cup went bankrupt in 2018. This current Dnipro team were founded in 2015

Ah so a bit like Rangers then? Wonder if Dnipro claim to be the same club?

[.Sean.]

Ah so a bit like Rangers then? Wonder if Dnipro claim to be the same club?
Ruled a separate club by UEFA when ex players tried to take the new club to court over unpaid wages!

[Unseen work]

So not really getting pelters

In fairness they’re a bit selective, there is a few who don’t seem impressed at all.

All taken with a pinch of salt though as you see on here/Twitter how fan opinions differ about certain players

[hibsforeurope]

It's all gone a bit quiet on the departures, Taveres, Henderson, Doidge, etc. I wonder if they will be more movement after Saturday, presumably those and youth players will make up the majority of the line up.

In hindsight i wonder if we would have been better to use the money we paid Magennis off with to get some of the players listed above off the books, even injured most of the time he contributed as much if not more than them last season.

[Since452]

Imo there’s no doubt we’re weaker than last season. We’ve no striker anywhere near the standard required other than possibly an 36 year old and have lost Fish and Egan-Riley as well.

That’s not to say we will be weaker come the close of the window but I fully expect we’ll start the league campaign with a weaker squad than the one that finished last season.

The only area we're weaker in is up front now that Nisbet is away. That will be negated with Boyle coming back though. Other than that we are stronger all over the park IMO.

[Aldo]

The only area we're weaker in is up front now that Nisbet is away. That will be negated with Boyle coming back though. Other than that we are stronger all over the park IMO.

I would agree.

Get 1 maybe 2 CF’s in and we will defo be stronger.

Just need to hope our injuries are kept to a minimum.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The only area we're weaker in is up front now that Nisbet is away. That will be negated with Boyle coming back though. Other than that we are stronger all over the park IMO.

Not sure how Boyle coming back negates the loss of Nisbet. He won’t be playing as our striker and without a decent one, we’ll struggle big time. It might be the only area we’re weaker in once Fish returns but it’s a critical one.

We’re also currently without Fish and Egan-Riley and Hanlon and Stevenson are another year older, so that makes our defence at the time of writing a good bit poorer with Rocky likely to be starting in it.

We’ve signed a keeper, we’re yet to really see how good he is so it remains to be seen if we’re better or worse there although I’d suggest he surely can’t be any worse than Marshall.

As I said, that’s not to say we’ll remain weaker, but at this point in time we most definitely are imo.

[JimBHibees]

Not sure how Boyle coming back negates the loss of Nisbet. He won’t be playing as our striker and without a decent one, we’ll struggle big time.

We’re also currently without Fish and Egan-Riley and Hanlon and Stevenson are another year older, so that makes our defence at the time of writing a good bit poorer with Rocky likely to be starting in it.

We’ve signed a keeper, we’re yet to really see how good he is so it remains to be seen if we’re better or worse there although I’d suggest he surely can’t be any worse than Marshall.

Would be surprised if Marshall isn't first pick. Good that he has some genuine competition which think will help him. Fish is coming this week.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Would be surprised if Marshall isn't first pick. Good that he has some genuine competition which think will help him. Fish is coming this week.

Worryingly I have a feeling he’ll start the season as number 1 as well.

[superfurryhibby]

The only area we're weaker in is up front now that Nisbet is away. That will be negated with Boyle coming back though. Other than that we are stronger all over the park IMO.

Tend to agree, assuming Fish returns.

Boyle will make the team stronger, so will Levitt and I have hopes that Obita and Wollacot will do the same.

[bingo70]

Would be surprised if Marshall isn't first pick. Good that he has some genuine competition which think will help him. Fish is coming this week.

I don’t think he will be. Wollacot has come to be number 1 so he can get his place in the Ghana team, that’s the main reason he’s moved.

You also have to ask why Marshall wasn’t captain against Groningen if the plan is to use him as number 1.

[Allant1981]

I don’t think he will be. Wollacot has come to be number 1 so he can get his place in the Ghana team, that’s the main reason he’s moved.

You also have to ask why Marshall wasn’t captain against Groningen if the plan is to use him as number 1.

But he also played the whole game

[WhileTheChief..]

Imo there’s no doubt we’re weaker than last season. We’ve no striker anywhere near the standard required other than possibly an 36 year old and have lost Fish and Egan-Riley as well.

That’s not to say we will be weaker come the close of the window but I fully expect we’ll start the league campaign with a weaker squad than the one that finished last season.

Agreed. There's still time, but so far this window has been a bit of a disappointment.

Hoping we've learnt from the last couple of years and that we've still to really get going in this window.

[Allant1981]

Agreed. There's still time, but so far this window has been a bit of a disappointment.

Hoping we've learnt from the last couple of years and that we've still to really get going in this window.

Disappointment in what way? Needed a new LB, got one, needed a new CH, got one and looks like fish is on his way also, needed a new keeper, got one, needed a CM, got one, need a couple of attacking players but its been ok so far imo

[Callum_62]

Disappointment in what way? Needed a new LB, got one, needed a new CH, got one and looks like fish is on his way also, needed a new keeper, got one, needed a CM, got one, need a couple of attacking players but its been ok so far imoYour forgetting Youan

Probably one of the most exciting bits of business we could've done

IMO we have work to do but we have had a very good start to the window - Especially if we get fish this week

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Agreed. There's still time, but so far this window has been a bit of a disappointment.

Hoping we've learnt from the last couple of years and that we've still to really get going in this window.

I’m not sure I’d say it’s a disappointment, I just think there’s still a good bit of work to be done with the most critical position we had to fill being striker still not resolved.

On paper I think there’s been some good business in Youan and Levitt, the rest of the signings are probably more middle of the road and could go either way. The striker is a massive priority though and until that’s rectified I think it’s hard to argue we’re better than the end of last season when we had a striker with 13 goals and an assist in 20 games up top.

[Lee]

Agreed. There's still time, but so far this window has been a bit of a disappointment.

Hoping we've learnt from the last couple of years and that we've still to really get going in this window.

Wouldn't say a disappointment for me, personally. Elie signing permanently was a statement of intent (as was getting Levitt when there was competition to sign him).

We've already made a fairly big investment on improving the team, Obita provides more competition on the left and we should have 4 CBs all capable of starting once Fish is back.

Still gaps (15+ goals a season ST is a must!) but there's been alot of positives in this window imao

[Allant1981]

Your forgetting Youan

Probably one of the most exciting bits of business we could've done

IMO we have work to do but we have had a very good start to the window - Especially if we get fish this week

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Yeah sorry I did forget, and ALF, another striker and I think we have done ok this year(will see how that goes on the pitch)

[Lee]

We also need to clear out 2 or 3 more players before we can start to look at depth (another CM or wide player, for example).

[brog]

It's amazing how things change over a short period of time.
1. We sign Youan for reportedly a decent fee right at the start of the window. One of our most exciting signings (IMO) in recent times. We also signed ALF. Now we have posters complaining we didn't sign any strikers/forward players early enough.
2. Before his injury there were many posters on here continually castigating Nisbet. Now he's turned into a combination of Shearer/Lineker/Baker (had to include Joe) and the same posters are wondering how we'll survive without him!

[Brightside]

It's amazing how things change over a short period of time.
1. We sign Youan for reportedly a decent fee right at the start of the window. One of our most exciting signings (IMO) in recent times. We also signed ALF. Now we have posters complaining we didn't sign any strikers/forward players early enough.
2. Before his injury there were many posters on here continually castigating Nisbet. Now he's turned into a combination of Shearer/Lineker/Baker (had to include Joe) and the same posters are wondering how we'll survive without him!

Word

[Trinity Hibee]

It's amazing how things change over a short period of time.
1. We sign Youan for reportedly a decent fee right at the start of the window. One of our most exciting signings (IMO) in recent times. We also signed ALF. Now we have posters complaining we didn't sign any strikers/forward players early enough.
2. Before his injury there were many posters on here continually castigating Nisbet. Now he's turned into a combination of Shearer/Lineker/Baker (had to include Joe) and the same posters are wondering how we'll survive without him!

It was clear nisbet was a quality player. Folk were likely questioning him when he didn’t look interested/wasn’t performing (nothing new in football) but think we can all agree he’ll be a big miss.

Those wanting a new main striker in are hardly asking for the world. We do need someone to come in and the quicker the better given the importance of games coming up

[WhileTheChief..]

Disappointment in what way? Needed a new LB, got one, needed a new CH, got one and looks like fish is on his way also, needed a new keeper, got one, needed a CM, got one, need a couple of attacking players but its been ok so far imo

Fish and Youan don't strengthen us, but they do give us continuity. I don't think I rate Youan as much as you guys though and don't see him replacing Nisbet's goals.

The others you mention, are they really any better than we we had last season? Might be i guess, but the signings don't excite me.

I also think people are putting way too much faith in Boyle's return. I doubt he'll be the same player as the one that left us.

That's not a criticism of anyone, or me having a go at the club, just my wee opinion, that I appreciate counts for nowt!

[bingo70]

It's amazing how things change over a short period of time.
1. We sign Youan for reportedly a decent fee right at the start of the window. One of our most exciting signings (IMO) in recent times. We also signed ALF. Now we have posters complaining we didn't sign any strikers/forward players early enough.
2. Before his injury there were many posters on here continually castigating Nisbet. Now he's turned into a combination of Shearer/Lineker/Baker (had to include Joe) and the same posters are wondering how we'll survive without him!

I’m really happy with our transfer business. I don’t think there’s any doubt we need another striker but until we get one, ALF will be fine, I think he is being written off a bit too quickly.

I do worry about cover for the wings though. If Youann or Boyle get injured I worry about who we bring in. Need a bit more depth in there too imo.