Summer 2021-22 transfer thread

[loanheadhibby]

Onviously St.Js. transfer policy depends on Europe progress.If they get through on Thursday nobody will be leaving. If they don’t it’ll be open season.

Worries me a little that our transfer policy appears to be reliant on St Johnstone’s run in Europe.

If they do qualify ( and I hope they do), are we on plan b?

[Heisenberg]

Still trying to get Mueller in now according to Scott Burns.

[04Sauzee]

Hibs continue to work on an August arrival for incoming Chris Mueller | @ScottBurns75

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[Brightside]

It’s a good point. Same happens every season and we end up muddling along with what we have.

Once window slams shut, we still have option of signing players without clubs.

Muddling along in first place after our most successful league placing in years..... Thats some kind of muddling we have right enough.

[Brightside]

Hibs continue to work on an August arrival for incoming Chris Mueller | @ScottBurns75

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Thats no even news.... Hibs have said this since he signed.

[Peevemor]

Worries me a little that our transfer policy appears to be reliant on St Johnstone’s run in Europe.

If they do qualify ( and I hope they do), are we on plan b?

Do we know for sure that we're interested in anyone from St Johnstone? I've seen loads of rumours but that's all.

Funnily enough, the majority of our signings these days are made without anyone having a sniff.

[Since90+2]

I have a feeling Mueller will be here before the window is out. Nothing more than a hunch.

[SMAXXA]

I have a feeling Mueller will be here before the window is out. Nothing more than a hunch.

I think your right 👍

[jeffers]

Do we know for sure that we're interested in anyone from St Johnstone? I've seen loads of rumours but that's all.

Funnily enough, the majority of our signings these days are made without anyone having a sniff.

Certainly were as far as I know. Think we’ve moved on now though.

[Comiston Hibee]

I think your right 👍

Any quarantine from the States or is he straight in? Cant keep up.

[Peevemor]

Certainly were as far as I know. Think we’ve moved on now though.

There were strong rumours that we tried for McCart, but we've no idea how many others we've been looking at or have made moves for especially since, as I said, almost all our signings seem to come out the blue these days.

[J-C]

Macey
Porteous McGregor Hanlon Doig
Boyle Doyle-Hayes Newell Magennis
Scott Nisbet


Aye, lets stick our best midfielder at the moment out on the left wing. :confused:

[loanheadhibby]

Muddling along in first place after our most successful league placing in years..... Thats some kind of muddling we have right enough.

So you’re happy to go in to a full season with the current squad?

We’ve already been knocked out of Europe due to failing to prepare.

[Peevemor]

So you’re happy to go in to a full season with the current squad?

We’ve already been knocked out of Europe due to failing to prepare.

I for one am happy to let the recruitment folk get on with their job - something they've been doing pretty well of late.

I'm also happy to give them the benefit of the doubt instead of constantly accusing them of not doing enough.

[degenerated]

So is it nice to see me back or not? I'm confused.Aye, no bad. I'd say average, so far :greengrin

[PatHead]

So you’re happy to go in to a full season with the current squad?

We’ve already been knocked out of Europe due to failing to prepare.

Unfortunately in the real world Graeme Mathie doesn't phone a club and say "how much do you want for X? Ok then,tell him he starts on Monday."

We will have been working on many deals and like the selling clubs we will not sell until we have identified a replacement. Equally we will buy the best we can afford and that will depend on any sales.

Think you are being really unfair on the recruitment team.

[Since90+2]

Unfortunately in the real world Graeme Mathie doesn't phone a club and say "how much do you want for X? Ok then,tell him he starts on Monday."

We will have been working on many deals and like the selling clubs we will not sell until we have identified a replacement. Equally we will buy the best we can afford and that will depend on any sales.

Think you are being really unfair on the recruitment team.

It's probably similar to being involved in a chain when buying a house.

As you say clubs we are dealing with will be waiting on someone else and so on and so on. All it takes is one part of that to fall through and lots of deals are likely scuppered.

[SMAXXA]

It's probably similar to being involved in a chain when buying a house.

As you say clubs we are dealing with will be waiting on someone else and so on and so on. All it takes is one part of that to fall through and lots of deals are likely scuppered.

Good analogy 👍

[Lago]

I think your right 👍
I hope your both right 👍

[Peevemor]

It's probably similar to being involved in a chain when buying a house.

As you say clubs we are dealing with will be waiting on someone else and so on and so on. All it takes is one part of that to fall through and lots of deals are likely scuppered.

It's also worth considering that we want to sign players that are too good for us. It might sound daft, but if you take the likes of Magennis, JDH and Doidge, they're all players that we want to have on long deals because we're worried other clubs will offer them more than we can. It must be really difficult to get these guys in in the first place.

[Dalianwanda]

So you’re happy to go in to a full season with the current squad?

We’ve already been knocked out of Europe due to failing to prepare.
Why are we muddling along & what has this to do with the current squad? ffs we have said we’re still looking to bring players in.

In terms of prep what are you saying? We bring players in before they or tgeir clubs are ready to have them leave? Or we just make do with players we aren’t targeting but would love to join us?

[Iain G]

Macey
Porteous McGregor Hanlon Doig
Boyle Doyle-Hayes Newell Magennis
Scott Nisbet

Scott Nisbet is 53 years old now and not sure he would be that effective up front on his own

[loanheadhibby]

Why are we muddling along & what has this to do with the current squad? ffs we have said we’re still looking to bring players in.

In terms of prep what are you saying? We bring players in before they or tgeir clubs are ready to have them leave? Or we just make do with players we aren’t targeting but would love to join us?

Or we sign players who will improve us and that are available?

Imagine if we’d went in to 2nd leg of euro tie with a new signing instead of relying on a 36 year old.

As JR has said on more than one occasion recently, he’s identified the positions needing strengthening. Why is he still waiting?

[loanheadhibby]

Unfortunately in the real world Graeme Mathie doesn't phone a club and say "how much do you want for X? Ok then,tell him he starts on Monday."

We will have been working on many deals and like the selling clubs we will not sell until we have identified a replacement. Equally we will buy the best we can afford and that will depend on any sales.

Think you are being really unfair on the recruitment team.

So is Jack Ross unfair on recruitment team/Graeme Mathis by highlighting in press that he’s identified the areas he wishes to strengthen?

If the manager is talking publicly about it, don’t you sense he is becoming frustrated?

[Peevemor]

Or we sign players who will improve us and that are available?

Imagine if we’d went in to 2nd leg of euro tie with a new signing instead of relying on a 36 year old.

As JR has said on more than one occasion recently, he’s identified the positions needing strengthening. Why is he still waiting?

Have you read any of the other posts?

[bigwheel]

Or we sign players who will improve us and that are available?

Imagine if we’d went in to 2nd leg of euro tie with a new signing instead of relying on a 36 year old.

As JR has said on more than one occasion recently, he’s identified the positions needing strengthening. Why is he still waiting?

You know the answer to this …it’s as others have explained , we don’t have the money to do all our deals early on…to improve the quality of the team, we have to use our budget wisely. We do this by waiting until the end of the window when higher quality comes into our range .

We did try to sign McCart earlier, but we didn’t have the funds to turn St Johnstone’s head on the deal..and as they remain in Europe it’s unlikely we will be able to do that one at all.

We have also already signed a number of quality additions, so it’s a question of doing the deals you can, without lowering your standards when you can’t afford the right quality .

So, like all but the big clubs, we have to accept some delay to the end of the Window to improve the quality of some of our signings.

[Aldo]

Or we sign players who will improve us and that are available?

Imagine if we’d went in to 2nd leg of euro tie with a new signing instead of relying on a 36 year old.

As JR has said on more than one occasion recently, he’s identified the positions needing strengthening. Why is he still waiting?

He’s waiting for the quality you’ve alluded to in your previous posts!

Why don’t we just sign guys like Boatang and Nelson instead of decent quality players.

The right players take time!


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[Ronniekirk]

So is Jack Ross unfair on recruitment team/Graeme Mathis by highlighting in press that he’s identified the areas he wishes to strengthen?

If the manager is talking publicly about it, don’t you sense he is becoming frustrated?

And if both Aberdeen and St Johnstone qualify for group stages of Europe his frustration will increase further as they will have more money to spend in Transfer window
But we are where we are and we need to build on the positives and push the boat out a bit to ensure we are capable of getting g third again and getting to A Cup Final


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[BSEJVT]

So you’re happy to go in to a full season with the current squad?

We’ve already been knocked out of Europe due to failing to prepare.

I take it you have prepared well and are expecting the delivery of your Ferrari any day?

Just like most folk Hibs can't or won't spend money they don't have.

I don't know why it is so difficult for folk to get that into their heads?

Or are you one of those folk that buy everything they want the second they want it and then wonder how they are going to finance it?

That approach has never ended well, just ask a litany of Scottish clubs how it worked out for them.

[Crab apple]

The squad clearly needs strengthened and I’m sure it will be. Frustrating that things haven’t happened sooner but I’d much rather get quality than rush things for an inferior player. I think the recruitment team have done a really good job in the last few years and I can’t remember the last signing under JR’s tenure that hasn’t worked out. Drey Wright maybe and even there the jury is out.

[Stuart93]

I take it you have prepared well and are expecting the delivery of your Ferrari any day?

Just like most folk Hibs can't or won't spend money they don't have.

I don't know why it is so difficult for folk to get that into their heads?

Or are you one of those folk that buy everything they want the second they want it and then wonder how they are going to finance it?

That approach has never ended well, just ask a litany of Scottish clubs how it worked out for them.

Well rangers won the league last season...it didn’t work out too badly in the end for them overall.

[Borderhibbie76]

I just hope we have back up targets lined up if these much waited for targets don't materialise in the next week. Remember being very disappointed last Jan that we ended up not signing a striker - as it turned out we managed but we're very lucky with both form and fitness of Boyle, Doidge and Nisbet. That luck appears to have ran out on us this season and we need bodies in the door to beef up the squad or its gonna be a scary ride till Jan

[Brightside]

Well rangers won the league last season...it didn’t work out too badly in the end for them overall.

You know they are about £70m in debt yeh?

[Hibees1973]

£4m and £3m aren’t those players maximum values though.

For Doig in particular, Mathie has quoted a value of £5m. According to press articles Arsenal offered £2.5m, which I feel is a more realistic price. I am a bit dubious of some of these newspapers but this is all we have to go on.

[H18 SFR]

You know they are about £70m in debt yeh?

Surely not? I thought they’ve been getting unsecured, soft loans from directors which in most cases was being turned into shares?

[loanheadhibby]

I take it you have prepared well and are expecting the delivery of your Ferrari any day?

Just like most folk Hibs can't or won't spend money they don't have.

I don't know why it is so difficult for folk to get that into their heads?

Or are you one of those folk that buy everything they want the second they want it and then wonder how they are going to finance it?

That approach has never ended well, just ask a litany of Scottish clubs how it worked out for them.

I don’t think I’ve said we should spend money we don’t have?

Using your analogy tho, if my car lease is up in May and I’ve still not got a replacement by end of August, who is at fault? Me or the person I’m leasing from?

I fully understand that getting players in is not easy, plenty other clubs manage to get players in before season starts. Aberdeen & St Johnstone seem to have managed it and are reaping their rewards.

[007]

Well rangers won the league last season...it didn’t work out too badly in the end for them overall.

Are you okay with Hearts' list of 200 creditors who unwittingly bought them a couple of Scottish Cups?

[loanheadhibby]

I for one am happy to let the recruitment folk get on with their job - something they've been doing pretty well of late.

I'm also happy to give them the benefit of the doubt instead of constantly accusing them of not doing enough.

You may be happy but I’m not so sure our manager shares your view.

well done Jack for getting in to Europe. Now go ahead and qualify for the group stages with no new centre halves (despite you highlighting it in May), no back up strikers (which you highlighted in January) and then play Lewis Stevenson at right back in a league game.

if I’m Jack Ross, I’d have feeling your asking me to do my job with one hand tied behind my back.

[BSEJVT]

Well rangers won the league last season...it didn’t work out too badly in the end for them overall.

Mmmn let me think

That wasn't Rangers they died after pursuing the same type of folly before and being liquidated and their tribute act The Rangers are fast headed down the same path again.

The Rangers and the largely unwashed hordes who followed them would have happily sold their womenfolk into slavery to stop Celtc's 10 in a row.

Maybe want to try citing another example as to why pishing away a truckload of cash, before you are guaranteed to get it is a good idea?

Maybe folk live their personal lives that way but I doubt many do, but those folk still expect our club to do what they wouldn't.

Football is an emotive game, I am as bad as anyone and have made some spectacularly ill-thought-out and intemperate posts from time to time, but the club don't, wont or shouldn't be throwing around cash they cant guarantee

We have tried it in the past and the hangover's always last far longer and are far more painful than any good times that proceeded it.

As often as not when trying this we have suffered the hangover but didn't get the party

The last few years have been ones of measured sensible growth giving us the chance to build year on year.

We are unrecognisable as team from the shambles that even Lennon left let alone Butcher.

[brog]

I don’t think I’ve said we should spend money we don’t have?

Using your analogy tho, if my car lease is up in May and I’ve still not got a replacement by end of August, who is at fault? Me or the person I’m leasing from?

I fully understand that getting players in is not easy, plenty other clubs manage to get players in before season starts. Aberdeen & St Johnstone seem to have managed it and are reaping their rewards.

That would be Aberdeen who lost to Raith and St J who lost to 10 man DU yesterday. You possibly didn't notice but we also signed players before the season started, Dan Mackay and JDH. Technically we also signed Murphy.

[BSEJVT]

I don’t think I’ve said we should spend money we don’t have?

Using your analogy tho, if my car lease is up in May and I’ve still not got a replacement by end of August, who is at fault? Me or the person I’m leasing from?

I fully understand that getting players in is not easy, plenty other clubs manage to get players in before season starts. Aberdeen & St Johnstone seem to have managed it and are reaping their rewards.

What you seem to be failing to recognise is that your budget may not now stretch to a replacement car as you spent it on a hot tub, or you didn't get your bonus this year as your shop was shut for a year and didn't make any money.

You have x to spend, how you do so is your choice, the club is exactly the same, once it's gone , it's gone.

Maybe you can drum up a few quid by selling the Van "Doig" in the attic, but until you do, you have spent your tank and the Ferrari wont be arriving until you can raise the cash to buy it.

[SMAXXA]

You may be happy but I’m not so sure our manager shares your view.

well done Jack for getting in to Europe. Now go ahead and qualify for the group stages with no new centre halves (despite you highlighting it in May), no back up strikers (which you highlighted in January) and then play Lewis Stevenson at right back in a league game.

if I’m Jack Ross, I’d have feeling your asking me to do my job with one hand tied behind my back.

The Stevenson comment is where you lost me the other points I agree with. We had 2 right backs one injured Cadden and the ever present and always fit Mcginn goes off ill, your no seriously expecting us to carry 3 right backs?

[RyeSloan]

You may be happy but I’m not so sure our manager shares your view.

well done Jack for getting in to Europe. Now go ahead and qualify for the group stages with no new centre halves (despite you highlighting it in May), no back up strikers (which you highlighted in January) and then play Lewis Stevenson at right back in a league game.

if I’m Jack Ross, I’d have feeling your asking me to do my job with one hand tied behind my back.

Overly dramatic much.

You can’t sign anyone in May and we turned down big money for our main striker in Jan.

We get this every year, fans complaining that our recruitment isn’t like football manager.

The fact is that Hibs want the right player at the right price we have to be patient and work hard on the deal. That inevitably means players arrive in a slightly different order than maybe the priory list has them in.

And finally no one could have anticipated such a run of injuries so early in the season. Sometimes you have to admit that even with the best planning you can also be unlucky on that front…just look at Arsenal this week…spent over £140m and were still short due to illness and injury.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think its a testament to the recruitment team that we're needing 2/3 squad players and a first choice right back. I think that shows how good they've done to get us here.

Remember the summers of Hibs needing 7/8 first team players and them all to be good? We had ****ing Januarys like that.

Pleased with the direction we're going.

[loanheadhibby]

And if both Aberdeen and St Johnstone qualify for group stages of Europe his frustration will increase further as they will have more money to spend in Transfer window
But we are where we are and we need to build on the positives and push the boat out a bit to ensure we are capable of getting g third again and getting to A Cup Final


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I agree but was also considering the point, if we were interested in a St Johnstone player and they do qualify, it’s a double whammy. They keep the player for group stages and also make a significant amount of money in to the bargain.

As you say, we are were we are. Fingers crossed the recruitment team get their top targets.

[wookie70]

I feel if Hibs get offered £4m for Nisbet and £3m for Doig, they should take it. The way the transfer market is in Scotland, out side of the OF, it would take an exceptional player for any club to get more than this. Nisbet and Doig are good, not exceptional. If Hibs attach clauses such as, club appearances, international caps and a reasonable sell on fee it would be good business.

We must cash in our our assets at their maximum value and I feel these figures are accurate for the pair. Players can lose form quickly or get injured.

Graeme Mathie and the other guys at Hibs have a fairly good record in the transfer market.


Where would we get a replacement for Nisbet for £4M

[Peevemor]

You may be happy but I’m not so sure our manager shares your view.

well done Jack for getting in to Europe. Now go ahead and qualify for the group stages with no new centre halves (despite you highlighting it in May), no back up strikers (which you highlighted in January) and then play Lewis Stevenson at right back in a league game.

if I’m Jack Ross, I’d have feeling your asking me to do my job with one hand tied behind my back.Jack Ross approves the targets/signings so he's very much part of the process. He's an intelligent bloke and will be well aware that he'd struggle to get better backing elsewhere (although everything's relative) in terms of both signings that have been made and offers for our players which have been rejected.

I know I get accused of blind approval of everything the club does, and we'd all like to see some new players coming in, but I honestly think that people moaning about the current situation are either looking for an excuse to knock the club or are going out their way to not understand.

[SMAXXA]

I agree but was also considering the point, if we were interested in a St Johnstone player and they do qualify, it’s a double whammy. They keep the player for group stages and also make a significant amount of money in to the bargain.

As you say, we are were we are. Fingers crossed the recruitment team get their top targets.

Don’t think it’s as black and white as them qualifying it’s getting them to the group stages is why they aren’t letting players go. If they qualify there will be movement in and out with them

[loanheadhibby]

Overly dramatic much.

You can’t sign anyone in May and we turned down big money for our main striker in Jan.

We get this every year, fans complaining that our recruitment isn’t like football manager.

The fact is that Hibs want the right player at the right price we have to be patient and work hard on the deal. That inevitably means players arrive in a slightly different order than maybe the priory list has them in.

And finally no one could have anticipated such a run of injuries so early in the season. Sometimes you have to admit that even with the best planning you can also be unlucky on that front…just look at Arsenal this week…spent over £140m and were still short due to illness and injury.

How can no one have anticipated injuries? It’s a football club, players get injured every day at every club. That just makes no sense? That’s why we have physio’s/sports scientist as players are commonly injured.

The issue is when you do not have any back ups in place or back ups that are not sufficiently good.

[loanheadhibby]

Jack Ross approves the targets/signings so he's very much part of the process. He's an intelligent bloke and will be well aware that he'd struggle to get better backing elsewhere (although everything's relative) in terms of both signings that have been made and offers for our players which have been rejected.

I know I get accused of blind approval of everything the club does, and we'd all like to see some new players coming in, but I honestly think that people moaning about the current situation are either looking for an excuse to knock the club or are going out their way to not understand.

How can it be knocking the club when the manager has commented on it himself? Is Jack Ross knocking the club by stating in his interviews that the club is aware where he wants strengthened?

I’ve not read anyone having a pop at the club. I’ve read people discussing the squad situation on the back of the manager highlighting it.

Yesterday, he was forced to play Stevenson at right back.

[Peevemor]

How can no one have anticipated injuries? It’s a football club, players get injured every day at every club. That just makes no sense? That’s why we have physio’s/sports scientist as players are commonly injured.

The issue is when you do not have any back ups in place or back ups that are not sufficiently good.Hibs model is to have a 1st pick, a back-up and a youngster for each position. This has been the case since Dempster & Craig arrived. We're not far off that even though the 1st team squad had to be reduced last season.

[bigwheel]

How can no one have anticipated injuries? It’s a football club, players get injured every day at every club. That just makes no sense? That’s why we have physio’s/sports scientist as players are commonly injured.

The issue is when you do not have any back ups in place or back ups that are not sufficiently good.

You’re just deliberately being difficult..perhaps even trolling now….the poster point was about “no one could have anticipated such a run of injuries”.

It was about the amount of injuries in comparison to normal….

[Peevemor]

How can it be knocking the club when the manager has commented on it himself? Is Jack Ross knocking the club by stating in his interviews that the club is aware where he wants strengthened?

I’ve not read anyone having a pop at the club. I’ve read people discussing the squad situation on the back of the manager highlighting it.

Yesterday, he was forced to play Stevenson at right back.I think Ross went public to reassure the supporters that the club knows where we're light.

And people are knocking the club.

Also I have no problem with Stevenson playing RB as cover. He's done it before, he's more than capable and he did fine yesterday.

[loanheadhibby]

Don’t think it’s as black and white as them qualifying it’s getting them to the group stages is why they aren’t letting players go. If they qualify there will be movement in and out with them

possibly not. However if they qualify and receive a nice cash injection, it means they could possibly afford to pay their players higher salaries/bonuses. It may also be attractive to their players to stay for season to play Thursday/Sunday.

[RyeSloan]

How can no one have anticipated injuries? It’s a football club, players get injured every day at every club. That just makes no sense? That’s why we have physio’s/sports scientist as players are commonly injured.

The issue is when you do not have any back ups in place or back ups that are not sufficiently good.

You are being deliberately obtuse.

The volume of injuries to key players in a short space of time.

Do you really physio’s could have predicted Doidge doing his Achilles, Hanlon having concussion, Newell having an abdominal injury, Paul McGinn feeling unwell, Nisbet catching Covid, Hallberg and Cadden suffering long term injuries all at the same time?

And does a physio turn into a psychic and know that our back up CH who was called out here many many times as the main player to have played in the SC final but didn’t would end up getting sent off and costing us a Euro tie?

And what size of squad would we have needed of first team quality players for that not to have effected Jack Ross’ game plans?

Yet despite all of the above we are top of the league. I’m very confident Ross is 100% behind our recruitment policy and fully understands the limitations that getting the right player at the right price places on that process.

[CropleyWasGod]

How can it be knocking the club when the manager has commented on it himself? Is Jack Ross knocking the club by stating in his interviews that the club is aware where he wants strengthened?

I’ve not read anyone having a pop at the club. I’ve read people discussing the squad situation on the back of the manager highlighting it.

Yesterday, he was forced to play Stevenson at right back.

Do you realise that inability to sign our targets isn't necessarily the club's fault? Other clubs, players, their agents are all part of the equation. We can't do it all ourselves

[007]

I don’t think I’ve said we should spend money we don’t have?

Using your analogy tho, if my car lease is up in May and I’ve still not got a replacement by end of August, who is at fault? Me or the person I’m leasing from?

I fully understand that getting players in is not easy, plenty other clubs manage to get players in before season starts. Aberdeen & St Johnstone seem to have managed it and are reaping their rewards.

Unlike footballers, who are unique individuals, cars are mass produced so it very easy to get a replacement arranged for when the lease is up. Hardly comparable to a football manager trying to get in the players he wants.

St Johnstone lost their European tie, they were lucky to get through in the League Cup v Arbroath and in the league they've drawn with Motherwell and Ross County and lost yesterday at home to Dundee United. What rewards are they reaping due to getting in players before the start of the season?

[Unseen work]

Aberdeen supposedly signing Austin Samuel, who we were linked with the other day.

[Stuart93]

Aberdeen supposedly signing Austin Samuel, who we were linked with the other day.

Were we? Where about? Missed that one

[SMAXXA]

Were we? Where about? Missed that one

Boy from wolves

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Once we get all these new players in we’ll then have our injured players returning too: Hanlon, Doidge, Cadden, Nisbet, Hallberg, Newell, McGinn (likely short term).

6 of those names are 1st team picks so I look forward to the new headaches of how we’ll keep a big squad like that happy on rotation.

The obvious gap we have just now is in defence as cover for Paul Hanlon and you could maybe argue right back too but I reckon we’ll only be going for a CD and another forward (on top of Mueller) as new signings.

Squad * I = injured

Macey / Dabrowski

McGinn(I) / Cadden (I)

Porto / McGreggor

Hanlon (I)

Doig / Stevenson / Mackie (I)

Boyle / Mueller (incoming)
JDH / Newell (I) / Magennis / Gogic / Hallberg (I) / Allan / Campbell / Murphy / Mackay / Bradley / Wright

Doidge (I) / Scott / Nisbet (I) / Gullan

[Stuart93]

Boy from wolves

Aye googled it. I missed us getting linked

[JimBHibees]

So you’re happy to go in to a full season with the current squad?

We’ve already been knocked out of Europe due to failing to prepare.

We got knocked out of Europe because we missed some chances and made a couple of mistakes. It happens

[bingo70]

Aye googled it. I missed us getting linked

It was a fairly shady source linking us.

One of those football 24/7 sites you see on Twitter.

[NC1875]

Aberdeen supposedly signing Austin Samuel, who we were linked with the other day.

Signing for Oldham is he not ?

[Stuart93]

Signing for Oldham is he not ?

Looks like he’s joining Aberdeen. Certainly giving themselves options upfront.

[loanheadhibby]

The Stevenson comment is where you lost me the other points I agree with. We had 2 right backs one injured Cadden and the ever present and always fit Mcginn goes off ill, your no seriously expecting us to carry 3 right backs?

I take that on board re Stevenson. I was just trying to make general point that we have such a small squad, we are having to use our experienced left back as a makeshift right back,

If we are going to be 3rd again, we surely have to sign a utility type player like an Ian Murray who could play in a number of positions.

[bingo70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/harris-oconnor-handed-hibs-transfer-24822844

Harris O’Connor being linked

[loanheadhibby]

You’re just deliberately being difficult..perhaps even trolling now….the poster point was about “no one could have anticipated such a run of injuries”.

It was about the amount of injuries in comparison to normal….

How exactly am I am being difficult? I’m pointing out every team has injuries. It’s part and parcel of football.

Sports science will tell you that athletes coming back after a summer lay off & then playing lots of games in quick succession will be susceptible to picking up injuries.

Most clubs have injuries. Dons for instance missing Hedges & Considine to name 2.

[Peevemor]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/harris-oconnor-handed-hibs-transfer-24822844

Harris O’Connor being linkedJackson Irvine, Austin Samuel now Harris O'Connor? Is having 2 surnames part of our new recruitment policy?

[Stuart93]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/harris-oconnor-handed-hibs-transfer-24822844

Harris O’Connor being linked

Just seen that.

Don’t really know anything about him, released from Rangers this summer.

Just as well we take time with this signing malarkey, really helps us get our targets 👀

[bingo70]

Just seen that.

Don’t really know anything about him, released from Rangers this summer.

Just as well we take time with this signing malarkey, really helps us get our targets 👀

Don’t think we can read too much into why he was released with a name like that 😉

Not a signing that’ll get the juices flowing but probably not one many of us can comment on with any real authority, be surprised if any had seen him play.

[loanheadhibby]

That would be Aberdeen who lost to Raith and St J who lost to 10 man DU yesterday. You possibly didn't notice but we also signed players before the season started, Dan Mackay and JDH. Technically we also signed Murphy.

Agreed but for balance, both these clubs have a decent chance of qualifying for euro group stages.

Again to clarify, Jack Ross has said the squad is light and needs reinforcement. Not me, Jack Ross.

[JimBHibees]

Don’t think we can read too much into why he was released with a name like that 😉

Not a signing that’ll get the juices flowing but probably not one many of us can comment on with any real authority, be surprised if any had seen him play.

No idea if any good however the teams who have looked at him are at a decent level.

[Unseen work]

Surprised about Harris O’Connor

Mainly because I was told us and Aberdeen are looking at Jamie Hamilton.

Suppose he would be free whereas Hamilton would cost quite a bit for a 19 year old centre half. Imagine Hamilton would be a replacement for Porto in terms of age.

Would still need a more experienced centre half though IMO

[King Cosell]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/harris-oconnor-handed-hibs-transfer-24822844

Harris O’Connor being linked

Let's hope there's not a clerical error and we end up with Hazel O'Connor.

[bingo70]

Surprised about Harris O’Connor

Mainly because I was told us and Aberdeen are looking at Jamie Hamilton.

Suppose he would be free whereas Hamilton would cost quite a bit for a 19 year old centre half. Imagine Hamilton would be a replacement for Porto in terms of age.

Would still need a more experienced centre half though IMO

I’ve just said we probably can’t pass comment on O’Connor but if he signs it’s surely going to be for the under 23’s/reserves?

Is Hamilton not the player that got sent off a few times last season?

[Ronniekirk]

Aberdeen supposedly signing Austin Samuel, who we were linked with the other day.

And they weren’t one of the clubs quoted with an interest


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[JimBHibees]

I’ve just said we probably can’t pass comment on O’Connor but if he signs it’s surely going to be for the under 23’s/reserves?

Is Hamilton not the player that got sent off a few times last season?

Yes he including against us. Very harshly sent off v both Celtic and Hearts the season before.

[04Sauzee]

Surprised about Harris O’Connor

Mainly because I was told us and Aberdeen are looking at Jamie Hamilton.

Suppose he would be free whereas Hamilton would cost quite a bit for a 19 year old centre half. Imagine Hamilton would be a replacement for Porto in terms of age.

Would still need a more experienced centre half though IMO
Was told Aberdeen were looking at Hamilton, only 19 and a year left on his contract but like you say would cost a healthy development fee.

The ex rangers boy was training with Airdrie but looks like he turned down the chance to sign for them to persue moves down south with Stoke taking him on trial.

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/airdrieonians-set-to-lose-harris-oconnor-to-efl-side/

[SMAXXA]

I take that on board re Stevenson. I was just trying to make general point that we have such a small squad, we are having to use our experienced left back as a makeshift right back,

If we are going to be 3rd again, we surely have to sign a utility type player like an Ian Murray who could play in a number of positions.

I actually think that was the thinking behind Cadden mate to be honest

[Unseen work]

I’ve just said we probably can’t pass comment on O’Connor but if he signs it’s surely going to be for the under 23’s/reserves?

Is Hamilton not the player that got sent off a few times last season?

Agree wouldn’t be able to say anything about Harris and his ability. Never know though, Porto was young when he started with us so would just depend. I’d imagine he’d be coming in as a first team player though especially as Brydon has been getting on the bench.

Yeah that’s right about Hamilton, can be a bit rash at times.

[Stuart93]

All I’ll say on it is, if & that’s a big if, O’Connor is the only CB we end up bringing in, I’ll be very underwhelmed. Especially considering we’ve been told constantly by some on here it’s better to take your time and get the targets we’re after.

[bigwheel]

How exactly am I am being difficult? I’m pointing out every team has injuries. It’s part and parcel of football.

Sports science will tell you that athletes coming back after a summer lay off & then playing lots of games in quick succession will be susceptible to picking up injuries.

Most clubs have injuries. Dons for instance missing Hedges & Considine to name 2.

I explained it in the post…you ignored the actual point that was being made: it wasn’t about injuries, it was about the level of injuries.


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[jeffers]

All I’ll say on it is, if & that’s a big if, O’Connor is the only CB we end up bringing in, I’ll be very underwhelmed. Especially considering we’ve been told constantly by some on here it’s better to take your time and get the targets we’re after.

I don’t for a minute think it will be. Fully expect at least 2-3 signings before the window closes.

[Stuart93]

I don’t for a minute think it will be. Fully expect at least 2-3 signings before the window closes.

I’d be happy enough bringing O’Connor in if it’s as well as another CB

[Since452]

Let's hope there's not a clerical error and we end up with Hazel O'Connor.

Garry would improve our defending right now

[easty]

How can no one have anticipated injuries? It’s a football club, players get injured every day at every club. That just makes no sense? That’s why we have physio’s/sports scientist as players are commonly injured.

The issue is when you do not have any back ups in place or back ups that are not sufficiently good.

We have a budget that’s given us a squad that’s the third best in Scotland. That’s why we came third.

We don’t have an extended budget that allows us to replace each player like for like if they’re out injured. It’d be great to have that but there’s nae magic money trees planted outside Easter Road.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’d be happy enough bringing O’Connor in if it’s as well as another CB

No chance, you will never be happy.

[007]

All I’ll say on it is, if & that’s a big if, O’Connor is the only CB we end up bringing in, I’ll be very underwhelmed. Especially considering we’ve been told constantly by some on here it’s better to take your time and get the targets we’re after.

Sometimes you have to wait to get your target, which is different from taking your time. We've only been told it constantly by some on here because some on here are constantly complaining.

Sometimes clubs don't get their 1st choice, 2nd choice or 3rd choice targets, for one reason or another. Player recruitment in real life isn't easy as it is on an Xbox.

[blackpoolhibs]

Can you batter me on ignore mate, cheers, getting a bit personal and getting a bit fed up of you following me about on threads and clearly taking offence at my posts 👍🏼

Another who hates people speaking the truth, you moan about everything, then moan about things that have not even happened yet.

I'm not following you anywhere, i'm replying to your misery.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’m expressing my opinion whether you agree with it or like it or not. If you don’t like my posts put me on ignore. Make it easier for yourself and you won’t need to see it.

Would be bizarre for you not to if my moaning and unhappiness bothers you that much you feel the need to reply.

No thanks.

[Peevemor]

Can you batter me on ignore mate, cheers, getting a bit personal and getting fed up of you following me about on threads and clearly taking offence at my posts 👍🏼

Surely if you share your very strong opinions on different subjects, stating that certain events will make you happy or unhappy, then people have the right to comment? Is it not a bit cowardly to ask people to stick you on ignore because you don't like their responses? It's up to you to put them on ignore should you so wish.

[007]

🍿

[Stuart93]

Canny be arsed.

I’ll refrain from giving my opinion in future at the risk of being told I’ll never be happy.

[Peevemor]

It’s not cowardly at all. He’s got a problem with my posts and the fact I’m constantly moaning. If it’s that much of a problem surely he should put me on ignore so he doesn’t have to subject himself to it?

It’s certainly not a surprise you’re getting involved mind you.

You'd probably prefer it if you could choose who replies to your posts, instead you just call people "arsey".

You have very strong, often fairly critical, opinions about Hibs that you don't hesitate to post on here. You're as entitled to do that as anyone else, just as everyone else is entitled to respond.

If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

[007]

Canny be arsed.

I’ll refrain from giving my opinion in future at the risk of being told I’ll never be happy.

Bookmarked.

🙂

[Stuart93]

You'd probably prefer it if you could choose who replies to your posts, instead you just call people "arsey".

You have very strong, often fairly critical, opinions about Hibs that you don't hesitate to post on here. You're as entitled to do that as anyone else, just as everyone else is entitled to respond.

If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

My post was a positive one though, saying I’d be happy to bring in O’Connor as long as we were bringing in another CB as well. Genuinely don’t see the problem with that at all or why a snidey response to it was necessary

[Peevemor]

My post was a positive one though, saying I’d be happy to bring in O’Connor as long as we were bringing in another CB as well.

I’m failing to see what I was dishing out there?

I wasn't speaking about that post in particular.

Anyway, I think we all ultimately want the same thing - success on the park.

Whether it's on match update, transfer rumours or any other type of thread you seem to have a bit of a hair trigger when it comes to posting your concerns and/or criticism. If you keep doing it then you have to accept that others will keep responding. Some will agree with you, others won't.

As long as we stay civil (and not "arsey") we should all be able to cope and continue our exchanges.

That's why we're here is it not?

[Stuart93]

I wasn't speaking about that post in particular.

Anyway, I think we all ultimately want the same thing - success on the park.

Whether it's on match update, transfer rumours or any other type of thread you seem to have a bit of a hair trigger when it comes to posting your concerns and/or criticism. If you keep doing it then you have to accept that others will keep responding. Some will agree with you, others won't.

As long as we stay civil (and not "arsey") we should all be able to cope and continue our exchanges.

That's why we're here is it not?

I genuinely don’t mind people disagreeing with me. If they make a valid point I’m more than happy to try see it from their point of view.

To reply “you’ll never be happy” to my original post provides absolutely nothing and the posters intentions are purely to provoke a reaction.

I canny be arsed with that.

[Peevemor]

I genuinely don’t mind people disagreeing with me. If they make a valid point I’m more than happy to try see it from their point of view.

To reply “you’ll never be happy” to my original post provides absolutely nothing and the posters intentions are purely to provoke a reaction.

I canny be arsed with that.If you look through your posting history, you might understand why someone might think that you'll never be happy.

I'm well aware that some people have a certain opinion of me and what I post - that I'll blindly defend the club no matter what they do. Even though I know that that's not the case, I can understand why some might get that impression.

Perhaps if you look through some of your posts and reactions (and sometimes over reactions), you'll maybe understand why some may form a certain opinion of you.

I'm honestly saying this with the best of intentions.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Canny be arsed.

I’ll refrain from giving my opinion in future at the risk of being told I’ll never be happy.

Will bottling it up not just make you unhappy? 🤔

[LancsHibs]

Anyone got any transfer news this morning?

[BILLYHIBS]

Willian to leave Arsenal to join Corinthians on a free transfer

Arsenal willing to listen to offers for club Captain Aubameyang before the window slams shut and will not stand in his way


BBC Sport

[JimBHibees]

Willian to leave Arsenal to join Corinthians on a free transfer

Arsenal willing to listen to offers for club Captain Aubameyang before the window slams shut and will not stand in his way


BBC Sport

Has there genuinely been a worse and more expensive signing than Willian he has been a disgrace at Arsenal and think Arteta is doing the right thing trying to get rid of the trio of primadonnas in Auba Laca and Willie. :greengrin

[hibee1875]

All I’ll say on it is, if & that’s a big if, O’Connor is the only CB we end up bringing in, I’ll be very underwhelmed. Especially considering we’ve been told constantly by some on here it’s better to take your time and get the targets we’re after.

Love a post that sets up a told yous so.

Have faith and patience. This is one name being linked by the daily record. I’m sure he’s not the only defender we’re looking at. Probably the only one we can get in for training though given his contract status

[flash]

Willian to leave Arsenal to join Corinthians on a free transfer

Arsenal willing to listen to offers for club Captain Aubameyang before the window slams shut and will not stand in his way


BBC Sport

Surely Aubameyang just needs a change of scenery to get going again.
Not many better strikers around when he is on his game.

[green day]

I don’t for a minute think it will be. Fully expect at least 2-3 signings before the window closes.

As I mentioned on the PM board, I would hope for more (I know, I know.....).

For me, we need cover at RB , 2 x CH, 1 x LB (if Doig leaves), and definitely at least one up front.

In midfield I would hope that we can cope without Newell for a bit - hopefully by giving Allan some game time this weekend instead of Gogic.

[BILLYHIBS]

Surely Aubameyang just needs a change of scenery to get going again.
Not many better strikers around when he is on his game.
Was thinking the same

Did he not drag his feet before resigning a wee while ago?

Just noticed he is 32 and Willian is 33

The next move will be the final pay day ( pension)

[blackpoolhibs]

Love a post that sets up a told yous so.

Have faith and patience. This is one name being linked by the daily record. I’m sure he’s not the only defender we’re looking at. Probably the only one we can get in for training though given his contract status

That post is exactly why i said he'd never be happy, he's making up some negative scenario to tell us all how he'd NOT be happy if it turned out to be true, when anyone with any nouse knows we just wont sign one player.

And remember we have a list as long as your arm of unavailable players, where do we put them or even fund them when we have to bring in others that will either be first choice or cover for the cover?

Some folk think we have an endless amount of money to spend, and whatever we have should have been spent yesterday.

Then St Johnstone and Aberdeen are held up as clubs who have brought all their players in early, when in fact they have not, i'd bet my last penny they will both bring in players before the window closes, and the sheep have been beaten by Raith, St Johnston have a second chance in Europe, we are the only club who did not get that chance.

We need a central defender, we are after some, we need a centre forward, we just brought one in, and we are trying to get Muller early, and while we are doing this, we are top of the league and into the quarters of the league cup.

Things are good at Hibs, they are nothing like as bad as he makes out every matchday thread, sorry every thread.

[Not In The Know]

As I mentioned on the PM board, I would hope for more (I know, I know.....).

For me, we need cover at RB , 2 x CH, 1 x LB (if Doig leaves), and definitely at least one up front.

In midfield I would hope that we can cope without Newell for a bit - hopefully by giving Allan some game time this weekend instead of Gogic.

I see Paterson at the The Rangers is generating interest from down south. Gerrard is laughing at £5m offers.

So, is he that much better than Doig? He’s certainly not played as many games or won young player of the year and we think £4m is Doig’s value.

[degenerated]

All I’ll say on it is, if & that’s a big if, O’Connor is the only CB we end up bringing in, I’ll be very underwhelmed. Especially considering we’ve been told constantly by some on here it’s better to take your time and get the targets we’re after.I suspect your underwhelmedness will be overwhelming regardless of who we sign :greengrin

[calumhibee1]

I see Paterson at the The Rangers is generating interest from down south. Gerrard is laughing at £5m offers.

So, is he that much better than Doig? He’s certainly not played as many games or won young player of the year and we think £4m is Doig’s value.

I think he is better than Doig. That’s not to say there’s a lot between them but if I was offered one or the other I’d take Paterson. He’s a very, very good player.

If Rangers want £10-15m though then £5m for Doig is certainly fair.

[MWHIBBIES]

Has there genuinely been a worse and more expensive signing than Willian he has been a disgrace at Arsenal and think Arteta is doing the right thing trying to get rid of the trio of primadonnas in Auba Laca and Willie. :greengrin

Don't think Aubameyang and Lacazette have been anything other than professional at Arsenal, especially Lacazette. Certainly not primadonnas. Neither should be mentioned alongside Willian.

[Iain G]

Surely Aubameyang just needs a change of scenery to get going again.
Not many better strikers around when he is on his game.

Could he do a job for us?

[Dublin07]

Anyone got any transfer news this morning?

We are signing Scott nisbet to play upfront other than that it’s just 5 pages of folk arguing over nothing.

[Since452]

When does the window "slam shut"? Next Tuesday?

[jeffers]

As I mentioned on the PM board, I would hope for more (I know, I know.....).

For me, we need cover at RB , 2 x CH, 1 x LB (if Doig leaves), and definitely at least one up front.

In midfield I would hope that we can cope without Newell for a bit - hopefully by giving Allan some game time this weekend instead of Gogic.

Don’t disagree with any of that, although don’t expect us to bring in another RB. PM is the preferred option of JR, with Cadden due back at some point (although I’m unsure of his defensive abilities.) Players in the other positions you mention are exactly where I expect us to strengthen, possibly one being a loan.

As per Allan, I’d love him to get a game from the start on Saturday, an opportunity to play himself into a game rather than coming on late. If Gogic starts again after Sunday’s performance it’s surely an indication that Scott Allan no longer has a future with us.

[hibee1875]

When does the window "slam shut"? Next Tuesday?

Sky sports news has 7 days on their countdown. I’m sure the Scottish one shuts later though. So either Tuesday or Wednesday midnight?

[GloryGlory]

When does the window "slam shut"? Next Tuesday?

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12257542/summer-transfer-window-2021-when-does-it-open-news-dates-and-deadline-day

[500miles]

Daily Record says we have Harris O'Connor who was released from Rangers training with us. Versatile defender.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

A week left, think we might see Mueller and a CB arrive then maybe loan deals or younger players like this O'Connor fella and a striker arrive as back up

[JimBHibees]

Don't think Aubameyang and Lacazette have been anything other than professional at Arsenal, especially Lacazette. Certainly not primadonnas. Neither should be mentioned alongside Willian.

Seen so many games they have gone through the motions and get the impression they don't have huge respect for Arteta. Maybe wrong but performances I watched last season you always thought they could do much more given their huge ability.

[Iain G]

Daily Record says we have Harris O'Connor who was released from Rangers training with us. Versatile defender.

So our signing policy has gone from people with two first names to people with two surnames now after the success of Irvine Jackson I assume?

Also linked to Austin Samuels... :greengrin

[calumhibee1]

Seen so many games they have gone through the motions and get the impression they don't have huge respect for Arteta. Maybe wrong but performances I watched last season you always thought they could do much more given their huge ability.

I’m not sure I’d say that about Lacazette but I’d agree about Auba :agree:

[brog]

That post is exactly why i said he'd never be happy, he's making up some negative scenario to tell us all how he'd NOT be happy if it turned out to be true, when anyone with any nouse knows we just wont sign one player.

And remember we have a list as long as your arm of unavailable players, where do we put them or even fund them when we have to bring in others that will either be first choice or cover for the cover?

Some folk think we have an endless amount of money to spend, and whatever we have should have been spent yesterday.

Then St Johnstone and Aberdeen are held up as clubs who have brought all their players in early, when in fact they have not, i'd bet my last penny they will both bring in players before the window closes, and the sheep have been beaten by Raith, St Johnston have a second chance in Europe, we are the only club who did not get that chance.

We need a central defender, we are after some, we need a centre forward, we just brought one in, and we are trying to get Muller early, and while we are doing this, we are top of the league and into the quarters of the league cup.

Things are good at Hibs, they are nothing like as bad as he makes out every matchday thread, sorry every thread.


Pretty much saved me a very lengthy post G. Just to add a few things.
1. We have 24 players listed on our website as a 1st team squad, that's not a small squad. Scott will be added to this
2. We had 7/24 unavailable on Sunday, by the time PM went off unwell, exactly 1/3 of our squad, including our captain, vice captain & top 2 strikers were out. That defies planning.
3. Despite this we had Allan, Stevenson, Mackay, Gullan & Wright on bench. Have a look at Aberdeen, St J & Hawrts benches on Sunday!
4. We recognise we're short in a couple of areas and are working hard to get players in.
That's it!!

[h185forever]

Bookings have been mounting for a few, hopefully some of those out return before the suspensions come

[Springbank]

Pretty much saved me a very lengthy post G. Just to add a few things.
1. We have 24 players listed on our website as a 1st team squad, that's not a small squad. Scott will be added to this
2. We had 7/24 unavailable on Sunday, by the time PM went off unwell, exactly 1/3 of our squad, including our captain, vice captain & top 2 strikers were out. That defies planning.
3. Despite this we had Allan, Stevenson, Mackay, Gullan & Wright on bench. Have a look at Aberdeen, St J & Hawrts benches on Sunday!
4. We recognise we're short in a couple of areas and are working hard to get players in.
That's it!!

Must admit, I stopped posting on here for a while because of the repetitiveness of posts like this.

For folk like me it's pretty simple.

Are we likely to lose a goal (or more) in a derby, through their left winger skinning our right back (same as Tony Watt has, same as McMullan has) and then watching a simple cross ball land on a poachers head?

Probably.

I'd rather we did something to replace the players who are showing they cant stop that, game after game, and I would like Hibs to not go 1-0 down early in a derby to the same soft goal.

[JimBHibees]

I’m not sure I’d say that about Lacazette but I’d agree about Auba :agree:

You are probably right Auba much more obvious yet bizarrely is still captain.

[calumhibee1]

You are probably right Auba much more obvious yet bizarrely is still captain.

Yeah. If I was an Arsenal fan I’d want him gone.

Although in saying that I know he’d be replaced by someone even worse so maybe I wouldn’t.

[Key West]

[QUOTE=J-C;6667180]Aye, lets stick our best midfielder at the moment out on the left wing. :confused:[/QUOTE

Macey
Porteous McGregor Hanlon
Boyle Doyle-Hayes Newell Doig
Magennis
Scott Nisbet

There ye go pal, have a nice day.

[brog]

Must admit, I stopped posting on here for a while because of the repetitiveness of posts like this.

For folk like me it's pretty simple.

Are we likely to lose a goal (or more) in a derby, through their left winger skinning our right back (same as Tony Watt has, same as McMullan has) and then watching a simple cross ball land on a poachers head?

Probably.

I'd rather we did something to replace the players who are showing they cant stop that, game after game, and I would like Hibs to not go 1-0 down early in a derby to the same soft goal.

That would be Hibs whi didn't concede a headed League goal last season.

[Alex Trager]

That would be Hibs whi didn't concede a headed League goal last season.

It’s also the same hibs that have lost 3(?) headed league goals this season in 3 games. There is an issue there

[Highwayman]

Seen so many games they have gone through the motions and get the impression they don't have huge respect for Arteta. Maybe wrong but performances I watched last season you always thought they could do much more given their huge ability.

Saw yesterday that Mikel Arteta is the bookies favourite to get sacked.

If this becomes a fact,surely Eddie Howe must be “favourite” to take over (only because haven’t saw him being mentioned recently)

[Smartie]

Does the new formation have something to do with the increase in goals conceded from crosses?

Something's changed, and it's probably down to something other than Paul McGinn becoming a bad player overnight.

[Tyler Durden]

Does the new formation have something to do with the increase in goals conceded from crosses?

Something's changed, and it's probably down to something other than Paul McGinn becoming a bad player overnight.

The formation really hasn't changed much. Rather than Nisbet and Doidge, we have Nisbet and Magennis. The midfield balance isn't all that different.

The reason we have lost these headed goals from crosses is down to Alex Gogic mainly. Also full backs could do better to stop crosses but they're not going to stop every one. We'll miss Doidge defending the box from set pieces but so far that hasn't been a big issue. Gogic has been at fault for all these headed goals conceded in the league.

[Heisenberg]

Does the new formation have something to do with the increase in goals conceded from crosses?

Something's changed, and it's probably down to something other than Paul McGinn becoming a bad player overnight.

I think it’s a good point. We are playing four at the back with Murphy and Boyle offering minimal protection. If we get another centre half or two in I could see us moving back to what we were using more last season.

[Greenworld]

Does the new formation have something to do with the increase in goals conceded from crosses?

Something's changed, and it's probably down to something other than Paul McGinn becoming a bad player overnight.It's not really overnight though is it? His passing is terrible and has been for a while. Defense wise is well reported. I think its more to do with better players in midfield making him look his true level. When Stevenson came on against dundee that side was instantly more solid

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[Tyler Durden]

It's not really overnight though is it? His passing is terrible and has been for a while. Defense wise is well reported. I think its more to do with better players in midfield making him look his true level. When Stevenson came on against dundee that side was instantly more solid

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That's just not true re McGinn's passing. Most of the chances we created in the Rijeka home game came from his passing and crossing. He had an assist vs Ross County and was heavily involved in our first goal at Motherwell.

McGinn's passing and attacking play has generally been very good for Hibs.

[degenerated]

It’s also the same hibs that have lost 3(?) headed league goals this season in 3 games. There is an issue thereLooking at the three we have lost Gogic is responsible for 2 of them

[J-C]

Last season we played a back 3 which allowed Doig and either Cadden/Boyle to attack down the wings, also we had Gogic as a holding midfielder. We've now went to a back 4, this shows up Doig's defensive naivety and also exposes McGinn who's been poor defensively. Add in the more attack minded midfield and more play on the front foot, the defense is being shown up to be very average, I also think we've missed Hanlon a great deal.

[JXM73]

Last season we played a back 3 which allowed Doig and either Cadden/Boyle to attack down the wings, also we had Gogic as a holding midfielder. We've now went to a back 4, this shows up Doig's defensive naivety and also exposes McGinn who's been poor defensively. Add in the more attack minded midfield and more play on the front foot, the defense is being shown up to be very average, I also think we've missed Hanlon a great deal.

What players played in this back 3 last year.. was always 2 of porto, hanlon or macgregor...

[PatHead]

Does the new formation have something to do with the increase in goals conceded from crosses?

Something's changed, and it's probably down to something other than Paul McGinn becoming a bad player overnight.

Different goalkeeper maybe doesn't have the same relationship with the defence?

[RyeSloan]

What players played in this back 3 last year.. was always 2 of porto, hanlon or macgregor...

Paul McGinn.

[Torto7]

Gogic not tracking players mainly, Murphy tends to leave the LB isolated too much as well. I also think Porteous and McGregor/Hanlon being short(by CH standards) is an issue. Id love to see Ryan trialled as a DM. He's very comfortable on the ball and looks the part when he steps out with it. If we had him as the DM then Hanlon and a new dominant CH we would be a lot more solid. As mentioned Doidge missing hurts us as he really is excellant at defending set pieces.

[Tyler Durden]

Looking at the three we have lost Gogic is responsible for 2 of them

He's responsible for all 3.

[Fergus52]

Gogic not tracking players mainly, Murphy tends to leave the LB isolated too much as well. I also think Porteous and McGregor/Hanlon being short(by CH standards) is an issue. Id love to see Ryan trialled as a DM. He's very comfortable on the ball and looks the part when he steps out with it. If we had him as the DM then Hanlon and a new dominant CH we would be a lot more solid. As mentioned Doidge missing hurts us as he really is excellant at defending set pieces.

There's a massive difference between being good on the ball when you are receiving it with plenty space already facing play, and receiving it on the half turn with a pressing midfielder breathing down your neck.

Folk always say this about ball playing centre halves and it almost never works out - David Luiz and Efe both looked much worse with the ball at their feet in games where they were tried at defensive midfield.

After the midfield displays against Motherwell in second half, home to rijeka and home to county, I don't understand how anyone could advocate for dropping one of Newell, JDH or Magennis for a centre back. Whenever the three of them have played together we've completely controlled the midfield, wouldn't have that with Porteous playing there imo.

[J-C]

What players played in this back 3 last year.. was always 2 of porto, hanlon or macgregor...

Regular back 3 was McGinn, Porteous and Hanlon

We played 352 nearly all season.

[JXM73]

Paul McGinn.

RB not a CH, pushed forward in possession.. not played in a back 3

[WillowbraeHibby]

Wolves striker Austin Samuels is edging closer to joining Aberdeen and will be undergoing his medical today, as reported by Football Insider. (https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-samuels-undergoing-aberdeen-medical-today-after-wolves-deal-agreed/)


The League One clubs, as well as Hibernian, are set to miss out, with Football Insider reporting on Saturday (https://www.footballinsider247.com/wolves-star-samuels-chased-by-three-clubs-sources/) that the aforementioned trio were all interested parties.
The latest report states that the Premier League club have agreed on a season-long loan deal with Aberdeen, with his expected temporary departure being his third venture into the first-team game, following spells with Kidderminster Harriers and Bradford City.
Samuels joined the Midlands club as an eight-year-old back in 2009, scoring his first professional goal for the club in November 2020, during a 7-0 win over Tonbridge Angels.

[degenerated]

He's responsible for all 3.I couldn't remember off the top of my head so went with 2 to be safe [emoji16]

[calumhibee1]

Wolves striker Austin Samuels is edging closer to joining Aberdeen and will be undergoing his medical today, as reported by Football Insider. (https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-samuels-undergoing-aberdeen-medical-today-after-wolves-deal-agreed/)


The League One clubs, as well as Hibernian, are set to miss out, with Football Insider reporting on Saturday (https://www.footballinsider247.com/wolves-star-samuels-chased-by-three-clubs-sources/) that the aforementioned trio were all interested parties.
The latest report states that the Premier League club have agreed on a season-long loan deal with Aberdeen, with his expected temporary departure being his third venture into the first-team game, following spells with Kidderminster Harriers and Bradford City.
Samuels joined the Midlands club as an eight-year-old back in 2009, scoring his first professional goal for the club in November 2020, during a 7-0 win over Tonbridge Angels.





On paper he’s someone I’m glad we’ve failed to get.

[WillowbraeHibby]

On paper he’s someone I’m glad we’ve failed to get.

Would tend to agree with you Calum. :wink:

[Ronniekirk]

Different goalkeeper maybe doesn't have the same relationship with the defence?

You could argue he doesn’t come out fir crosses but in that case all the more need fir defenders to on Thier tor’s snd defending them better
But we lost goals to crosses withRicky in goals
But it is something we need to address as teams are targeting us down the flanks to get crosses in



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[Unseen work]

RB not a CH, pushed forward in possession.. not played in a back 3

You’re surely not trying to say McGinn never played in a back 3 for us?

He’s played there on many many occasions.

…………….…McGinn Porteous Hanlon
Boyle/Cadden…………………………….…Doig.

Has been our shape and personnel a lot.

[J-C]

You’re surely not trying to say McGinn never played in a back 3 for us?

He’s played there on many many occasions.

…………….…McGinn Porteous Hanlon
Boyle/Cadden…………………………….…Doig.

Has been our shape and personnel a lot.

Makes me wonder if some of these posters are actually Hibs supporters.

[AlbertK86]

RB not a CH, pushed forward in possession.. not played in a back 3

Did you actually watch the games !!! He played right CH Porto in Middle of 3.

We chopped and changed during games a lot.

JR discussed this numerous times as well


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[MikeyS]

Makes me wonder if some of these posters are actually Hibs supporters.

Fitba folk ken whits gaun oan! 😉

I'm no expert but there is some amount of posts on here that dont half show up people's knowledge!

[Scouse Hibee]

RB not a CH, pushed forward in possession.. not played in a back 3

This is hilarious, makes me wonder if you actually watch Hibs.

[B.H.F.C]

You’re surely not trying to say McGinn never played in a back 3 for us?

He’s played there on many many occasions.

…………….…McGinn Porteous Hanlon
Boyle/Cadden…………………………….…Doig.

Has been our shape and personnel a lot.

I’d also argue he played that position better than he plays right back.

[SHODAN]

Wolves striker Austin Samuels is edging closer to joining Aberdeen and will be undergoing his medical today, as reported by Football Insider. (https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-samuels-undergoing-aberdeen-medical-today-after-wolves-deal-agreed/)


The League One clubs, as well as Hibernian, are set to miss out, with Football Insider reporting on Saturday (https://www.footballinsider247.com/wolves-star-samuels-chased-by-three-clubs-sources/) that the aforementioned trio were all interested parties.
The latest report states that the Premier League club have agreed on a season-long loan deal with Aberdeen, with his expected temporary departure being his third venture into the first-team game, following spells with Kidderminster Harriers and Bradford City.
Samuels joined the Midlands club as an eight-year-old back in 2009, scoring his first professional goal for the club in November 2020, during a 7-0 win over Tonbridge Angels.






Scott Burns exclusive.

[RyeSloan]

I’d also argue he played that position better than he plays right back.

What position? The position he played but didn’t play but played better than the one he does play? [emoji2957]

I tend to agree actually that he looked very comfortable there (you know in the position he didn’t play but did!).

[JXM73]

Getting personal, dont watch hibs?.. hilarious.. so how many times did we play a 4 or a 3 last year... none of you can amswer that, mcginn pushes forward - we were praised by many pundits because our fullbacks played so high... but i guess they didn't watch hibs either... ****ing ********s the lot of you..

[WillowbraeHibby]

Scott Burns exclusive.

Is it?

[Andy74]

Getting personal, dont watch hibs?.. hilarious.. so how many times did we play a 4 or a 3 last year... none of you can amswer that, mcginn pushes forward - we were praised by many pundits because our fullbacks played so high... but i guess they didn't watch hibs either... ****ing ********s the lot of you..

Exact breakdown I don’t know but McGinn played more often at right centre back than at right back I reckon.

[Smartie]

Getting personal, dont watch hibs?.. hilarious.. so how many times did we play a 4 or a 3 last year... none of you can amswer that, mcginn pushes forward - we were praised by many pundits because our fullbacks played so high... but i guess they didn't watch hibs either... ****ing ********s the lot of you..

I think folk are being a bit harsh on you given the subtle differences between the formations and roles, and it wasn't always obvious how we were playing last season. Jack Ross has referred to switching between the 2 formations, I reckon that change was quite subtle rather than blindingly obvious.

Our team also looked quite asymmetrical at times - was Irvine central but heading out left our on the left playing inside a bit? Doig bombed on, more so than our right side, so was he a FB or a WB? It could be hard at times to tell whether McGinn was playing on the right of a 3 or a 4, because of Doig and his attacking.

This season - is Magennis a very positive midfielder or a striker who plays very deep? What is actually the difference?

[tamig]

Getting personal, dont watch hibs?.. hilarious.. so how many times did we play a 4 or a 3 last year... none of you can amswer that, mcginn pushes forward - we were praised by many pundits because our fullbacks played so high... but i guess they didn't watch hibs either... ****ing ********s the lot of you..
What does it matter how many times he played on the right of a three? As others have pointed out, he played there many times. Your point was wrong. Why not just admit that? You won’t be here long throwing remarks like your last sentence around. How very rude of you.

[CloudSquall]

****ing ********s the lot of you..

Yaaaaaaaasssssssss

[brog]

You’re surely not trying to say McGinn never played in a back 3 for us?

He’s played there on many many occasions.

…………….…McGinn Porteous Hanlon
Boyle/Cadden…………………………….…Doig.

Has been our shape and personnel a lot.

He did but I would argue we also played pretty much a back 4 for a good part of the season. I'm not sure Boyle played too much at WB after giving away the daft penalty against Aberdeen & Cadden only started 9 games at wing back in the 1st 2 or 3 months of the year. The rest of the time Boyle was up front, initially in a 2 with Nisbet & latterly in a 3 with Nisbet and Doidge. As others have said we also changed a lot during games. Playing a back 4 shouldn't be causing us as many problems as it has.

[Sergio sledge]

Getting personal, dont watch hibs?.. hilarious.. so how many times did we play a 4 or a 3 last year... none of you can amswer that, mcginn pushes forward - we were praised by many pundits because our fullbacks played so high... but i guess they didn't watch hibs either... ****ing ********s the lot of you..One of the key aspects to making a back 3 work is that the right and left centre backs have to be comfortable stepping up with the ball and pushing forward at times to draw out the opposition and create overlaps with the wing backs. When Lennon did it we had Ambrose and Hanlon stepping up, for much of last season it was McGinn and Hanlon stepping up with the ball from the back 3.

We changed during games quite a lot to be fair, but once Irvine came in I think that's the way we lined up most games.

McGinn certainly seems more comfortable and less exposed in that position than he is looking in the back 4 this season. I guess the whole team could just be getting used to the system and a new goalie, so it might improve. It needs to improve.

[HoboHarry]

Getting personal, dont watch hibs?.. hilarious.. so how many times did we play a 4 or a 3 last year... none of you can amswer that, mcginn pushes forward - we were praised by many pundits because our fullbacks played so high... but i guess they didn't watch hibs either... ****ing ********s the lot of you..
How long have you worked for the Corps Diplomatique?

[SaulGoodman]

... ****ing ********s the lot of you..

I didn’t say anything

[SMAXXA]

Getting personal, dont watch hibs?.. hilarious.. so how many times did we play a 4 or a 3 last year... none of you can amswer that, mcginn pushes forward - we were praised by many pundits because our fullbacks played so high... but i guess they didn't watch hibs either... ****ing ********s the lot of you..

Like the old Bernard manning one, guy walks into a pub pished shouts across the bar, you lot are a shower of bast*rds and you lot over there are a shower of c***s. Big guystands up and said hey am no a *******, pished guy says fine then get over there beside the c***s 😂😂

[hibee1875]

Does the new formation have something to do with the increase in goals conceded from crosses?

Something's changed, and it's probably down to something other than Paul McGinn becoming a bad player overnight.

Has the change in system given PMc less cover? Less out balls? Less confidence in an overlap?

Probably, something has changed. As you say we can’t put it down to him becoming a bad player over night. Sometimes systems just don’t suit certain numbers players, even world class players (why was Di Maria so crap at Utd?)

[Greenworld]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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[madhatter]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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Seen how much McBurnie cost? £5m for Doig is a steal in English football.

Even if he is a failure they'd sell him on for £10m through association.

[Fergus52]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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Just won young player of the year in the 8th best league in Europe.

Absolutely no chance 5 million is over valued.

[MWHIBBIES]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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No chance. The kid is ****ing 19. NINETEEN. He could have 15 years in him easily. No one is getting him for 2.5 million.

[Smartie]

Has the change in system given PMc less cover? Less out balls? Less confidence in an overlap?

Probably, something has changed. As you say we can’t put it down to him becoming a bad player over night. Sometimes systems just don’t suit certain numbers players, even world class players (why was Di Maria so crap at Utd?)

I can't quite figure it out.

We've not reinvented the wheel, we've tweaked what we were doing before but it seems to be suiting some players nicely but not others.

McGinn hasn't been the same player he was last season. Gogic has been all over the shop. I'm not convinced by Nisbet as the central striker in this formation. There were question marks over Doig from Sunday (whilst acknowledging he was ill). McGregor has been wobbly at times, folk are putting that down to age and decline.

Some players are thriving though. Murphy has been outstanding in this formation. Magennis looks like a different player playing where he is. Allan looked good against Arsenal when he got his only proper outing in this formation. I don't know what JDH was like before but he's looked very comfortable in it, as has Newell. Porteous has started the season very well imo. Boyle always looks most comfortable in an advanced position on the right, rather than up front or at WB (although he makes decent fist of it when shifted there.)

We've lost loads of goals of a type we just weren't losing last season - crosses, headers. At the start of last season we went on a cracking run where we just weren't losing ANY goals and I'm trying to figure out what is so different. We've lost these goals from crosses but you can't really blame the centre halves for any of them - but they were dunting away every cross that came into the box at this point last season.

The football is aesthetically more pleasing, but there is maybe just a flip side to that. "Be careful what you wish for" maybe to the moaners who didn't like our style last season.

We're hardly struggling, but it just doesn't look quite right, somehow.

This is the transfer thread and replacements for various players are being mooted as being necessary. Maybe getting players who are more comfortable in this formation IS the answer? I'm still not totally convinced we have a formation that suits all of our best players, and that we might need to sit out one or two of them, pick the formation (probably a 3 at the back) that suits the vast majority of our current players and fill in the gaps with transfers.

[truehibernian]

Any idea when Cadden will be available for selection ? He’ll probably need game time in bounce games in lead up to being available.

McGinn has gone from dependable to very nervous and error strewn in all the games I’ve watched this season. I like him as a player, but his early season form isn’t great at all. He needs some competition in there and if Cadden is injury prone, we could do with a versatile Ch in who could cover the full back area if required. Not sure if we have any development player on the horizon either - maybe Billy could answer that with his good knowledge of the development side.

[HendoDelivered]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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You are a fraud mate

[bigwheel]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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That’s it confirmed…you are off the negotiating team ! [emoji1787]


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[Since452]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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2.5 million is hideously undervalued for Doig. 5 million is perfectly reasonable.

[Key West]

Getting personal, dont watch hibs?.. hilarious.. so how many times did we play a 4 or a 3 last year... none of you can amswer that, mcginn pushes forward - we were praised by many pundits because our fullbacks played so high... but i guess they didn't watch hibs either... ****ing ********s the lot of you..

There's a lot of flexibility in formations even within a game and I think that might cause a bit of confusion, keep posting you don't have to be Pep Guardiola to justify what you see. 😉

[Smartie]

That’s it confirmed…you are off the negotiating team ! [emoji1787]


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Worst bit of negotiating since Bobby Williamson stuck Steven Whittaker and Derek Riordan in the boot and headed up to Inverness to get Bobby Mann...

[Borderhibbie76]

Pretty much saved me a very lengthy post G. Just to add a few things.
1. We have 24 players listed on our website as a 1st team squad, that's not a small squad. Scott will be added to this
2. We had 7/24 unavailable on Sunday, by the time PM went off unwell, exactly 1/3 of our squad, including our captain, vice captain & top 2 strikers were out. That defies planning.
3. Despite this we had Allan, Stevenson, Mackay, Gullan & Wright on bench. Have a look at Aberdeen, St J & Hawrts benches on Sunday!
4. We recognise we're short in a couple of areas and are working hard to get players in.
That's it!!

Thats a really decent summary actually and I'm frustrated at not having signed a centre half yet but that puts a lot into perspective and how bad our injuries have been so far

[Ronniekirk]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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We may not get five million in this window which is why I think he needs another season with us to improve further
So much reported interest in past few months but no concrete bid that is anywhere near our valuation I assume


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[Unseen work]

With Doig I can understand why some don’t think he’s worth 5 million tbf

For a start it’s a hell of a lot of money in Scottish football and not something we see often, especially for teams out with the old firm.

Because of that if people hear Doig is valued at 5 million they’re expecting him to be an absolute stand out and to almost single handedly win us games - being solid defensively and brilliant going forward.

He had his really good games, he also has his games where he’s not so great.

For me with him it’s potential. He’s just turned 19 and in his first full season he got over 30 appearances, got YPOTY, played in finals and Europe too. Physically he’s a machine, his speed and stamina is perfect for the modern day full back and I’m sure he’ll only get stronger. His run against Dundee at the weekend is a glimpse of what he can do, he strolled past players like they weren’t there.

I think he needs to develop a bit technically too and add a bit of composure in the final third but that will come.

The stuff I’m describing as his faults is stuff that most players his age will display, he’ll progress and get better with experience.

And in all credit to Josh, he learns from his mistakes and very quickly. You can tell he’s got a great attitude and takes everything on board. I remember his first game against Celtic compared to the second and it was night and day they way he pressed and got in the face of Frimpong I think it was, he never gave him a second and began dominating him.

I also think he’ll be very well suited to the English leagues with his height, stamina and pace.

5 million has a bit of the ‘what if’. If he goes down to England and plays well for 6 months in the championship for example that turns into 15 million very easily.

That’s what Mathie will be saying and quite rightly so.

You see the value some players go for in England and they haven’t accomplished or achieved what Doig has.

[madhatter]

Any idea when Cadden will be available for selection ? He’ll probably need game time in bounce games in lead up to being available.

McGinn has gone from dependable to very nervous and error strewn in all the games I’ve watched this season. I like him as a player, but his early season form isn’t great at all. He needs some competition in there and if Cadden is injury prone, we could do with a versatile Ch in who could cover the full back area if required. Not sure if we have any development player on the horizon either - maybe Billy could answer that with his good knowledge of the development side.

Probably 2 weeks until full training. I think it'll be October before he's back in full contention. He'll need bounce games as you say which will likely still be a wee bit more awkward due to Covid.

[JimBHibees]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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:greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Probably 2 weeks until full training. I think it'll be October before he's back in full contention. He'll need bounce games as you say which will likely still be a wee bit more awkward due to Covid.

JR was saying he would be starting squad training this week. Anyone know if we trained today ?

[ancient hibee]

With Doig I can understand why some don’t think he’s worth 5 million tbf

For a start it’s a hell of a lot of money in Scottish football and not something we see often, especially for teams out with the old firm.

Because of that if people hear Doig is valued at 5 million they’re expecting him to be an absolute stand out and to almost single handedly win us games - being solid defensively and brilliant going forward.

He had his really good games, he also has his games where he’s not so great.

For me with him it’s potential. He’s just turned 19 and in his first full season he got over 30 appearances, got YPOTY, played in finals and Europe too. Physically he’s a machine, his speed and stamina is perfect for the modern day full back and I’m sure he’ll only get stronger. His run against Dundee at the weekend is a glimpse of what he can do, he strolled past players like they weren’t there.

I think he needs to develop a bit technically too and add a bit of composure in the final third but that will come.

The stuff I’m describing as his faults is stuff that most players his age will display, he’ll progress and get better with experience.

And in all credit to Josh, he learns from his mistakes and very quickly. You can tell he’s got a great attitude and takes everything on board. I remember his first game against Celtic compared to the second and it was night and day they way he pressed and got in the face of Frimpong I think it was, he never gave him a second and began dominating him.

I also think he’ll be very well suited to the English leagues with his height, stamina and pace.

5 million has a bit of the ‘what if’. If he goes down to England and plays well for 6 months in the championship for example that turns into 15 million very easily.

That’s what Mathie will be saying and quite rightly so.

You see the value some players go for in England and they haven’t accomplished or achieved what Doig has.

Exactly right. Those saying he’s not worth £5M don’t seem to take into account his future development.

[RyeSloan]

Exactly right. Those saying he’s not worth £5M don’t seem to take into account his future development.

You could say that about a lot of players though.

IF they progress and develop and this and that then they are worth £Xm

The fact is though that there is only so far you can price something like that in.

Anyone watching Doig for the first time at the weekend would surely laugh long and loud at him costing £5m TODAY.

There is of course always a bit of in between with young footballers…some clearly have the physical attributes to go far (Doig defo has) and also clearly the potential to improve substantially (Doig also has that) and therefore this will increase their current value beyond their current performance levels.

But £5m for Doig now seems to be weighting that ‘potential’ premium pretty heavily I’d say. Certainly he has the potential to be an Andy Robertson but whether Doig will is a totally different matter.

Totally accept others clearly think differently but so far clearly other teams don’t seem inclined to meet that lofty ‘potential’ premium.

[Smartie]

You could say that about a lot of players though.

IF they progress and develop and this and that then they are worth £Xm

The fact is though that there is only so far you can price something like that in.

Anyone watching Doig for the first time at the weekend would surely laugh long and loud at him costing £5m TODAY.

There is of course always a bit of in between with young footballers…some clearly have the physical attributes to go far (Doig defo has) and also clearly the potential to improve substantially (Doig also has that) and therefore this will increase their current value beyond their current performance levels.

But £5m for Doig now seems to be weighting that ‘potential’ premium pretty heavily I’d say. Certainly he has the potential to be an Andy Robertson but whether Doig will is a totally different matter.

Totally accept others clearly think differently but so far clearly other teams don’t seem inclined to meet that lofty ‘potential’ premium.

There are other premiums with Doig though.

Post-Brexit there will be a premium on UK players. We should take this seriously when dealing with English clubs.

The pool that English clubs and the OF can recruit from has shrunk (well - changed, there are some non-EU places that it will be easier to recruit from seemingly) and that will jack up the value of players of Doig's potential and physical attributes.

I'd also add that whilst his performance on Sunday was a bit off, the fact that he started and finished the game whilst being ill was to his great credit, and something that could and should be turned into a positive rather than a negative.

[jeffers]

Exactly right. Those saying he’s not worth £5M don’t seem to take into account his future development.

No one knows what he will develop into. It’s all just potential. Yes he’s a great athlete with a good attitude, but I’ve seen plenty of players who look good when they are young and haven’t fulfilled that early promise.

[jeffers]

You could say that about a lot of players though.

IF they progress and develop and this and that then they are worth £Xm

The fact is though that there is only so far you can price something like that in.

Anyone watching Doig for the first time at the weekend would surely laugh long and loud at him costing £5m TODAY.

There is of course always a bit of in between with young footballers…some clearly have the physical attributes to go far (Doig defo has) and also clearly the potential to improve substantially (Doig also has that) and therefore this will increase their current value beyond their current performance levels.

But £5m for Doig now seems to be weighting that ‘potential’ premium pretty heavily I’d say. Certainly he has the potential to be an Andy Robertson but whether Doig will is a totally different matter.

Totally accept others clearly think differently but so far clearly other teams don’t seem inclined to meet that lofty ‘potential’ premium.

Good post, one that I fully agree with. I think a number of people have been caught up in the reported £5m figure. If it had originally been quoted as £3m I think that would have been viewed as realistic. Are we really saying Doig is Hibs most valuable player ever ?

[Smartie]

Good post, one that I fully agree with. I think a number of people have been caught up in the reported £5m figure. If it had originally been quoted as £3m I think that would have been accepted. Are we really saying Doig is Hibs most valuable player ever ?

He's the only one to have emerged with the skillset he has at a time when English clubs are chucking cash around like confetti.

Wigan were paying Gary Caldwell £40k per week. That doesn't mean he is many multiples of the player that Pat Stanton was.

[Sean1875]

Good post, one that I fully agree with. I think a number of people have been caught up in the reported £5m figure. If it had originally been quoted as £3m I think that would have been viewed as realistic. Are we really saying Doig is Hibs most valuable player ever ?

I don’t see why not when you look at the way football transfer fees have developed in the last decade or so. I know it’s obviously not on the same level, but would be interesting to see what the world transfer record was when we sold Scott Brown to Celtic.


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[jeffers]

I don’t see why not when you look at the way football transfer fees have developed in the last decade or so. I know it’s obviously not on the same level, but would be interesting to see what the world transfer record was when we sold Scott Brown to Celtic.


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I don’t disagree with the point you are making but typically the price being paid for Scottish players hasn’t gone up over the years. Not saying it’s right. In Brown’s case he was older though and putting in better performances IMO than Doig is.

Fwiw I don’t think Nathan Patterson is worth £5m either, but playing for the OF does increase a player’s value.

[Sioux]

I don’t disagree with the point you are making but typically the price being paid for Scottish players hasn’t gone up over the years. Not saying it’s right. In Brown’s case he was older though and putting in better performances IMO than Doig is.

Fwiw I don’t think Nathan Patterson is worth £5m either, but playing for the OF does increase a player’s value.

If he was playing periodically with an ELP club, he'd be worth a lot more than £5m. Granted he'd be playing against better opposition, but his price would reflect his potential alongside a clear indication that he has displayed his capabilities in a few games, including European games.

[madhatter]

JR was saying he would be starting squad training this week. Anyone know if we trained today ?

That's good news. Hope so, means we might see him in September.

[Smartie]

I don’t disagree with the point you are making but typically the price being paid for Scottish players hasn’t gone up over the years. Not saying it’s right. In Brown’s case he was older though and putting in better performances IMO than Doig is.

Fwiw I don’t think Nathan Patterson is worth £5m either, but playing for the OF does increase a player’s value.

That's probably due to our own lack of self-esteem though and will only go up if we hold out for a bit more.

If the clubs don't pay it (as appears to be the case with Doig) then fine, we may need to lower our expectations.

But whilst we're in a position where we don't really need to sell due to our own relatively comfortable financial position and the player not necessarily wanting to leave then the amount of money it takes to change that situation will be a bit higher.

[Fergus52]

Good post, one that I fully agree with. I think a number of people have been caught up in the reported £5m figure. If it had originally been quoted as £3m I think that would have been viewed as realistic. Are we really saying Doig is Hibs most valuable player ever ?

Hibs', and Scottish football in generals, previous form for badly undervaluing our players when selling doesn't mean it should continue today.

Thankfully with people like Cormack and Ron it looks like this is changing.

Made this point a few times but if an attacking fullback with doig's physical attributes who was only 19 had just won young player of the year in Ukraine, Austria, Russia, turkey or Belgium, English teams wouldn't bat an eye at paying over £5 million. Our league is currently ranked higher than all of those, so why should we accept pennies?

[bongo'd]

Sure I heard Mathie (can't quite remember if it was him!!) mention in an interview alluding to the physical numbers Doig was already producing. The sports science guys at the club were amazed as he was already hitting the numbers that elite level athletes were. IMO that allied with the fact English clubs have a smaller pool to pick from due to brexit will be why we are holding out for a value more than we may have say two or three years ago.

[B.H.F.C]

Hibs', and Scottish football in generals, previous form for badly undervaluing our players when selling doesn't mean it should continue today.

Thankfully with people like Cormack and Ron it looks like this is changing.

Made this point a few times but if an attacking fullback with doig's physical attributes who was only 19 had just won young player of the year in Ukraine, Austria, Russia, turkey or Belgium, English teams wouldn't bat an eye at paying over £5 million. Our league is currently ranked higher than all of those, so why should we accept pennies?

Fine us wanting more but others need to want to pay it. No sign, yet, that anyone wants to meet our valuation. I don’t think we’ll accept pennies but I also don’t think anyone is going to be rushing to offer us £5m for any of our players.

[Peevemor]

Fine us wanting more but others need to want to pay it. No sign, yet, that anyone wants to meet our valuation. I don’t think we’ll accept pennies but I also don’t think anyone is going to be rushing to offer us £5m for any of our players.

If the club are happy with that then so am I. I'd rather we keep Nisbet & Doig rather than have to replace them.

[jeffers]

Hibs', and Scottish football in generals, previous form for badly undervaluing our players when selling doesn't mean it should continue today.

Thankfully with people like Cormack and Ron it looks like this is changing.

Made this point a few times but if an attacking fullback with doig's physical attributes who was only 19 had just won young player of the year in Ukraine, Austria, Russia, turkey or Belgium, English teams wouldn't bat an eye at paying over £5 million. Our league is currently ranked higher than all of those, so why should we accept pennies?

I don’t think £3M is pennies. I’ve said before I agree we shouldn’t be selling our players on the cheap. I don’t happen to think accepting £3M would be. As it stands no one is willing to pay what we think he is worth, be interesting to see if that situation changes before the window closes. I don’t think another season with us will do him any harm though.

[calumhibee1]

Sure I heard Mathie (can't quite remember if it was him!!) mention in an interview alluding to the physical numbers Doig was already producing. The sports science guys at the club were amazed as he was already hitting the numbers that elite level athletes were. IMO that allied with the fact English clubs have a smaller pool to pick from due to brexit will be why we are holding out for a value more than we may have say two or three years ago.

I’ll need to try find that interview. I always enjoy seeing folks numbers with regards to physical things.

[Peevemor]

I’ll need to try find that interview. I always enjoy seeing folks numbers with regards to physical things.From what I remember he didn't give any statistics, he just said that Doig's were off the graph (or words to that effect).

[Winston Ingram]

Doig is overvalued at 5 million and if 2.5 million is on the table hibs should bite the hands off

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Nonsense.

Gerrard is saying Patterson’s fee of £5m is out of a joke book. Doig is worth more than Patterson

[Fergus52]

I don’t think £3M is pennies. I’ve said before I agree we shouldn’t be selling our players on the cheap. I don’t happen to think accepting £3M would be. As it stands no one is willing to pay what we think he is worth, be interesting to see if that situation changes before the window closes. I don’t think another season with us will do him any harm though.

Fair enough,

It's pennies in my eyes if you look at where Robertson was at the same age, had barely kicked a ball for Dundee utd.

Folk earlier in the thread saying that clubs don't pay for potential, but they do, all the time. Real Madrid bought a 15 year old odegaard for £5million or so.

[660]

Doig isn’t worth 5m and that’s why no one’s paying 5m for him

[jeffers]

Fair enough,

It's pennies in my eyes if you look at where Robertson was at the same age, had barely kicked a ball for Dundee utd.

Folk earlier in the thread saying that clubs don't pay for potential, but they do, all the time. Real Madrid bought a 15 year old odegaard for £5million or so.

I thought Robertson had played a full season for Utd before Hull signed him, only 20 at the time when he went there and for under £3M. Doig as I’ve said clearly has potential, not sure he’s better now than Andy Robertson was when he signed for Hull though.

You are spot on though, clubs do pay for potential.

[madhatter]

Doig isn’t worth 5m and that’s why no one’s paying 5m for him

What made McBurnie worth £20m? One decent season from what I can see...

If Scottish teams stop selling cheap then the values will rise.

[Since90+2]

Fair enough,

It's pennies in my eyes if you look at where Robertson was at the same age, had barely kicked a ball for Dundee utd.

Folk earlier in the thread saying that clubs don't pay for potential, but they do, all the time. Real Madrid bought a 15 year old odegaard for £5million or so.

I don't think you can say he's worth it as Andy Robertson had hardly kicked a ball at the same age. That means nothing to Doig's value.

Andy Robertson over the last few seasons has been one of the best left backs in the world. The fact he plays in the same position as Doig is irrelevant, Doig might go on to be a top player or he might not but that's something you can say about loads of players. Porteous has probably played more games at his age than some top centre halfs did but again that's not really relevant.

[Greenworld]

Hibs', and Scottish football in generals, previous form for badly undervaluing our players when selling doesn't mean it should continue today.

Thankfully with people like Cormack and Ron it looks like this is changing.

Made this point a few times but if an attacking fullback with doig's physical attributes who was only 19 had just won young player of the year in Ukraine, Austria, Russia, turkey or Belgium, English teams wouldn't bat an eye at paying over £5 million. Our league is currently ranked higher than all of those, so why should we accept pennies?When we say 2.5 to 3 million for a H ibs player that is not pennies it is a good price and especially for a full back. I'm afraid the club has made a stance for the right reasons I get that but all the comparisons on the world does not make Doig worth 5 million. We have over priced him and the bidding clubs are telling Hibs that .

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[Peevemor]

When we say 2.5 to 3 million for a H ibs player that is not pennies it is a good price and especially for a full back. I'm afraid the club has made a stance for the right reasons I get that but all the comparisons on the world does not make Doig worth 5 million. We have over priced him and the bidding clubs are telling Hibs that .

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using TapatalkHibs don't need to sell him and he's apparently happy to stay, therefore it's Hibs who set the price.

Someone may well splash the cash toward the end of the window.

[PatHead]

The problem with Doug's value is that he is not a game changer. He is an excellent prospect. Great at what he does but is not going to alter the outcome of the game.

Nisbet on the other hand can pull out a piece of magic and there lies the reason why why he is worth much more.

[SMAXXA]

The problem with Doug's value is that he is not a game changer. He is an excellent prospect. Great at what he does but is not going to alter the outcome of the game.

Nisbet on the other hand can pull out a piece of magic and there lies the reason why why he is worth much more.

Course he’s not he’s a fullback but that doesn’t deminish his value a striker will be valued on his performance and what’s expected of him a full back isn’t judged on goals

[calumhibee1]

From what I remember he didn't give any statistics, he just said that Doig's were off the graph (or words to that effect).

Ah ok. Well that’s a bit boring :greengrin

[AlbertK86]

How long have you worked for the Corps Diplomatique?

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[MWHIBBIES]

The problem with Doug's value is that he is not a game changer. He is an excellent prospect. Great at what he does but is not going to alter the outcome of the game.

Nisbet on the other hand can pull out a piece of magic and there lies the reason why why he is worth much more.

Thats not really true. There are many more goalscorers than good fullbacks. I don't see any offers for Nisbet at all the summer, whereas there have been plenty for Doig.

[BoomtownHibees]

there have been plenty for Doig.

Has there?

[AlbertK86]

The problem with Doug's value is that he is not a game changer. He is an excellent prospect. Great at what he does but is not going to alter the outcome of the game.

Nisbet on the other hand can pull out a piece of magic and there lies the reason why why he is worth much more.

Depends on where he plays.
When we played 3-5-2 and he had the freedom to go forward constantly he was a real threat and created loads of chances.

Mainly now playing in a back 4 where he is being asked a lot more questions defensively and doesn’t have the security of 3 at back behind him to be allow him to be more offensive.
This has him on another learning curve.

Thought we had a great balance at 3-5-2 with him and Boyler as wing backs


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[CMurdoch]

Sure I heard Mathie (can't quite remember if it was him!!) mention in an interview alluding to the physical numbers Doig was already producing. The sports science guys at the club were amazed as he was already hitting the numbers that elite level athletes were. IMO that allied with the fact English clubs have a smaller pool to pick from due to brexit will be why we are holding out for a value more than we may have say two or three years ago.

Good post, I believe this is why they think he is the real deal.

There are generally only 2 reasons a club sells a young player quickly
The first is most obvious - they need the money. Hibs for a change are not in that position.
The second and more revealing one is that like Cinderellas carriage they are not convinced he is the real deal and could turn out to be a pumpkin. If Hibs don't cash in it shows they are as certain as they can be that he is the real deal. In that case he will continue to improve and his value will become more obvious to more and more suitors.

[ahibby]

No one knows what he will develop into. It’s all just potential. Yes he’s a great athlete with a good attitude, but I’ve seen plenty of players who look good when they are young and haven’t fulfilled that early promise.

But with advancement of sports science these days maybe they have a better idea of how he will progress. Saying that Barcelona took Messi when he was a kid, not from Spain nor Catalonia but all the way from Argentina. How stupid would sime feel if he doesnt go this season and next season he shows he is much better than the 3M some are saying we could let him go for.

[easty]

Scottish Football Writers Young Player of the Year last season…Josh Doig.

Not Nathan Paterson or David Turnbull or Lewis Ferguson.

Josh Doig was excellent last season. A few not so great games this season shouldn’t have any of our fans thinking we should move him on for £3m (and anyone who thinks we should bite someone’s hand off for £2.5m is a complete joker). We’re not broke. We don’t need to shift him on. He’s capable of having an amazing season, winning another young player of the year award, and moving on for a bigger fee.

[04Sauzee]

Scottish Football Writers Young Player of the Year last season…Josh Doig.

Not Nathan Paterson or David Turnbull or Lewis Ferguson.

Josh Doig was excellent last season. A few not so great games this season shouldn’t have any of our fans thinking we should move him on for £3m (and anyone who thinks we should bite someone’s hand off for £2.5m is a complete joker). We’re not broke. We don’t need to shift him on. He’s capable of having an amazing season, winning another young player of the year award, and moving on for a bigger fee.

Couldn't agree more.

[calumhibee1]

Scottish Football Writers Young Player of the Year last season…Josh Doig.

Not Nathan Paterson or David Turnbull or Lewis Ferguson.

Josh Doig was excellent last season. A few not so great games this season shouldn’t have any of our fans thinking we should move him on for £3m (and anyone who thinks we should bite someone’s hand off for £2.5m is a complete joker). We’re not broke. We don’t need to shift him on. He’s capable of having an amazing season, winning another young player of the year award, and moving on for a bigger fee.

Whilst I’d agree, I can’t see anyone paying £5m for him just now which is all the more reason to keep him. Another good season this year and he’ll have teams queuing up imo.

[ahibby]

Whilst I’d agree, I can’t see anyone paying £5m for him just now which is all the more reason to keep him. Another good season this year and he’ll have teams queuing up imo.

Yes I think in a season or two 5M will look poultry compared with what he will be able to do.

[Peevemor]

Yes I think in a season or two 5M will look poultry compared with what he will be able to do.Yeah, chicken feed!

[JimBHibees]

Yeah, chicken feed!

:greengrin

[Crab apple]

Good post, I believe this is why they think he is the real deal.

There are generally only 2 reasons a club sells a young player quickly
The first is most obvious - they need the money. Hibs for a change are not in that position.
The second and more revealing one is that like Cinderellas carriage they are not convinced he is the real deal and could turn out to be a pumpkin. If Hibs don't cash in it shows they are as certain as they can be that he is the real deal. In that case he will continue to improve and his value will become more obvious to more and more suitors.

Agree with this. He’s still young but he has bags of potential. It’s a long time since I’ve seen a Scottish defender make such a positive mazy run as the one that Doig did against Dundee.

[bingo70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/georgios-giakoumakis-celtic-transfer-blow-24830746

Celtic set to miss out on their striker transfer target.

Could be implications for Hibs if they turn their attentions to Nisbet now.

[ahibby]

Yeah, chicken feed!

Exactly. Chicken feed isnt paltry either

[JimBHibees]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/georgios-giakoumakis-celtic-transfer-blow-24830746

Celtic set to miss out on their striker transfer target.

Could be implications for Hibs if they turn their attentions to Nisbet now.

Only implications if they bid a realistic price which they won't do.

[RyeSloan]

Yes I think in a season or two 5M will look poultry compared with what he will be able to do.

Eggaxctly.

[Peevemor]

Exactly. Chicken feed isnt paltry either[emoji106]

[ahibby]

Eggaxctly.

Like egg on face or water of a ducks back.

[calumhibee1]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/georgios-giakoumakis-celtic-transfer-blow-24830746

Celtic set to miss out on their striker transfer target.

Could be implications for Hibs if they turn their attentions to Nisbet now.

£2.5m for a guy that scored 33 goals in holland last season? That’s cheap as.

Wonder if they’d want to give us £2.5m plus this guy for Nisbet? :greengrin

[flash]

Plenty of potential loan signings playing in England tonight for Premier League teams.
Lots of guys playing who have next to no chance of playing in league games.
Wonder if we are looking at any of them.

[bingo70]

Only implications if they bid a realistic price which they won't do.

I’m not so sure.

A lot of pressure on the Celtic board just now.

If they bid for Nisbet, they need to get him, if that means overpaying by their standards then so be it.

[degenerated]

Hibs don't need to sell him and he's apparently happy to stay, therefore it's Hibs who set the price.

Someone may well splash the cash toward the end of the window.I never thought I'd see the day where there were complaints that we are asking too much for our players and that we should sell them for less than we want.

[SMAXXA]

I ever thought I'd see the day where there were complaints that we are asking too much for our players and that we should sell them for less than we want.

It’s the new normal mate the worlds gone mad 😂

[JimBHibees]

Plenty of potential loan signings playing in England tonight for Premier League teams.
Lots of guys playing who have next to no chance of playing in league games.
Wonder if we are looking at any of them.

Bound to be.

[flash]

Bound to be.

11 changes by Brighton for example.

[04Sauzee]

Plenty of potential loan signings playing in England tonight for Premier League teams.
Lots of guys playing who have next to no chance of playing in league games.
Wonder if we are looking at any of them.

Brighton made 11 changes to the team the won at the weekend. Brighton went on to win 2-0 against Cardiff with this young team. Wonder if there is anybody there we would be looking at or Brighton would be happy for us to loan.

https://i.ibb.co/SmTVkMc/Screenshot-2021-08-24-22-17-16-02.jpg (https://ibb.co/09NY06K)

[bingo70]

Brighton made 11 changes to the team the won at the weekend. Brighton went on to win 2-0 against Cardiff with this young team. Wonder if there is anybody there we would be looking at or Brighton would be happy for us to loan.

https://i.ibb.co/SmTVkMc/Screenshot-2021-08-24-22-17-16-02.jpg (https://ibb.co/09NY06K)

I mentioned Haydon Roberts as a possibility on another thread.

19 year old (I think) Central defender that played 25 games on loan at Rochdale last season. Apparently Brighton looking to send him on loan to a higher level this season.

[Eyrie]

I mentioned Haydon Roberts as a possibility on another thread.

19 year old (I think) Central defender that played 25 games on loan at Rochdale last season. Apparently Brighton looking to send him on loan to a higher level this season.

The problem would be whether Roberts would be good enough to displace one of Hanlon or Porteous because, if he isn't, Brighton will send him somewhere that he's more likely to get playing time.

[King Cosell]

If St Johnstone get knocked out on Thursday, I think we'll sign Jason Kerr and Chris McCart.

Kerr could get higher wages elsewhere but we could cover that with a signing-on fee. There's a world cup next year, he'll want to get in the Scotland squad. He's still young enough to get another big move. If he speaks to Jack and Big Ron, he's ours.

I watched the full Hearts/Aberdeen game on ALBA and both defences are way ahead of ours.