Summer 2021-22 transfer thread

[Vault Boy]

Why not. The Scottish market is more attractive to English clubs after Brexit. That means they're worth more money. Pay up or **** off - if he was English he'd be worth £20 million.

Yep, think this is perfectly possible now, especially with Ron Gordon in charge. He's already shown a willingness to hold out on our assets and Doig has a long term deal. £5m is chump change to EPL clubs.

[04Sauzee]

Barnsley sign Devante Cole

[Since90+2]

Why not. The Scottish market is more attractive to English clubs after Brexit. That means they're worth more money. Pay up or **** off - if he was English he'd be worth £20 million.

If he was English he would be worth £20 million? How are you calculating that?

Or do you mean if he played in England he'd be worth that?

[Bostonhibby]

Likewise. Not a chance we’re getting £5m upfront for him.

Although in saying that, a lot of the places talking about arsenals interest in him seem to write as if he’ll be a backup first team left back which is utterly mental so maybe £5m isn’t out the question.Reading the comments in the article it doesn't look like Arsenal have got £5m![emoji1]

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[calumhibee1]

Why not. The Scottish market is more attractive to English clubs after Brexit. That means they're worth more money. Pay up or **** off - if he was English he'd be worth £20 million.

Because non OF Scottish teams next to never get £5m for anyone, never mind someone who hasn’t played that many first team games.

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we do, but I can’t see it being anywhere near that.

[Stuart93]

Likewise. Not a chance we’re getting £5m upfront for him.

Although in saying that, a lot of the places talking about arsenals interest in him seem to write as if he’ll be a backup first team left back which is utterly mental so maybe £5m isn’t out the question.

It’s unlikely but I hope we stick to our guns if we want £5m. I’ve said for a while now that we need to start overvaluing our players especially if teams down south are sniffing about.

Doig’s also on a long term contract so if a team like arsenal were looking at him, a figure as high as £5m might not be out of the question

[Phil MaGlass]

The more teams interested in our players, hopefully higher the bid.

[bingo70]

Because non OF Scottish teams next to never get £5m for anyone, never mind someone who hasn’t played that many first team games.

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we do, but I can’t see it being anywhere near that.

Murty was speaking about this recently. Clubs are telling him they want to buy a player and their plans are X.Y or Z. That’s fine, but players doing that role in that particular league cost a certain amount of money. They don’t cost that amount of money divided by 10 because they’re coming from Scotland. Or at least there’s no reason why that should be the case.

If Arsenal think he’s good enough to get game time next season in the premier league, even if it’s off the bench, then he’s a £5m player.

[brog]

Because non OF Scottish teams next to never get £5m for anyone, never mind someone who hasn’t played that many first team games.

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we do, but I can’t see it being anywhere near that.


We got £3m up front & more than £4m in total from Burnley for Fletch 12 years ago. To put it in perspective, that was Burnley's record pay out at the time, now it's over 5 times that amount. The longer Scottish clubs (& their supporters) continue to accept paltry fees for quality players then the longer English clubs will attempt to take advantage of our situation. £5m is loose change for EPL teams, we should be looking for at least that.

[SunshineOn1875]

Has Regan Hendry been mentioned, Great young player IMO and think he's out of contract? Would like him.

[CropleyWasGod]

Has Regan Hendry been mentioned, Great young player IMO and think he's out of contract? Would like him.

Last I heard he was talking to Ipswich.

[SunshineOn1875]

Last I heard he was talking to Ipswich.

Fair play to the young lad then. Good move if it happens, still hoping to see him in Green and White though.

[CMurdoch]

We got £3m up front & more than £4m in total from Burnley for Fletch 12 years ago. To put it in perspective, that was Burnley's record pay out at the time, now it's over 5 times that amount. The longer Scottish clubs (& their supporters) continue to accept paltry fees for quality players then the longer English clubs will attempt to take advantage of our situation. £5m is loose change for EPL teams, we should be looking for at least that.

Fletcher was a hell of a player, great feet and great attitude.
A bit like McGinn I knew he would make it down there.

Agree with what you say about the fees.
Losing McGinn for what we did was criminal.
The name of the game is long contracts to give the club a bit of control over the situation.
Both Nisbet and Doig are under such contracts so the ball is in our court.

The coaching staff obviously have a far better idea of the playing level and value of our players than we do.
I still think Porteous has great ability and will be worth big bucks if we can knock the final corners off him. 2 years left on his contract so we are running out of time on the contract front. I reckon we sell in the winter window when clubs are desparate and no team wants to sell their better players.
Nisbet is a one touch finisher and every team wants one of them. Doesn't have the feet of Fletcher but not many have. Needs a 2nd season at Hibs but the Scotland appearances may make him difficult to hang onto.
Doig is the one I'm struggling to benchmark Only had one professional season in which he did remarkably well. Like Tierney he will be a much better player when he fills out. Hopefully he ignores the over the top hype and keeps working on his game and keeps improving. He hasn't come close to outgrowing Hibs yet.

[Stuart93]

Greg Stewart released from Rangers, would probably take him

[mim]

Fletcher was a hell of a player, great feet and great attitude.
A bit like McGinn I knew he would make it down there.



Great foot :na na:

[JimBHibees]

Great foot :na na:

Indeed :greengrin

[JohnMcM]

English window opens tomorrow.

I would have thought it was open already, lots of sunshine down there at the moment. :greengrin

[Dazzjw1875]

Greg Stewart released from the rangers I will defo have him at ER think he would improve us.

[calumhibee1]

Greg Stewart released from Rangers, would probably take him

Not for me. I have an irrational dislike of him for some reason:

[Andy74]

Greg Stewart released from the rangers I will defo have him at ER think he would improve us.

Bit of a nothing player. Not one I’d be bothering with.

[SMAXXA]

Because non OF Scottish teams next to never get £5m for anyone, never mind someone who hasn’t played that many first team games.

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we do, but I can’t see it being anywhere near that.

Nothing personal against you btw but this mentality is part of the problem. If we don’t start increasing the value of players we won’t ever get anywhere and we will continue to moan about the John Mcginn’s of the world losing then for paltry sums.

Fwiw I think clubs need to unite in Scotland and agree this stance only at the game as a whole will get significantly more income IMO.

[hibeg]

Nothing personal against you btw but this mentality is part of the problem. If we don’t start increasing the value of players we won’t ever get anywhere and we will continue to moan about the John Mcginn’s of the world losing then for paltry sums.

Fwiw I think clubs need to unite in Scotland and agree this stance only at the game as a whole will get significantly more income IMO.

Agree with this. Hearts got around 11 million for Craig Gordon. Not expecting that just now for Doig, but another season might push his value up. I has a look on the Arsenal forum and they think 5m is loose change 😅

[calumhibee1]

Nothing personal against you btw but this mentality is part of the problem. If we don’t start increasing the value of players we won’t ever get anywhere and we will continue to moan about the John Mcginn’s of the world losing then for paltry sums.

Fwiw I think clubs need to unite in Scotland and agree this stance only at the game as a whole will get significantly more income IMO.

I don’t disagree with you to be fair. I’d just be surprised if the player we start doing it is an 18 year old with 30 first team appearances.

Aberdeen tried it with McKenna by asking for £8m and ended up taking £3m because nobody would pay it though so I’m not sure it’s as simple as just holding out for the huge fees and refusing to sell. We need to sell players as part of our business model and it would take serious balls from the club to refuse to sell at the usual kind of money and ask for double or nothing.

[jacomo]

The more teams interested in our players, hopefully higher the bid.


Indeed, but as others have said, it’s also up to us not to look desperate for any offer going and stick to our guns.

It doesn’t help when clubs like Livi sell their main striker (and Scotland international) for £1m and then go on and on about what a good deal it was, but somehow or other we need to drive the value of Scottish players up.

[Lago]

Why not. The Scottish market is more attractive to English clubs after Brexit. That means they're worth more money. Pay up or **** off - if he was English he'd be worth £20 million.
Frankly I don't think he would be worth £20 million even if he was English, Dutch, German or Spanish.

[Wilson]

Indeed, but as others have said, it’s also up to us not to look desperate for any offer going and stick to our guns.

It doesn’t help when clubs like Livi sell their main striker (and Scotland international) for £1m and then go on and on about what a good deal it was, but somehow or other we need to drive the value of Scottish players up.

That's why the idea of clubs working together to drive up prices won't necessarily work. £1m for a Livingston player is a good deal for them. Fantastic deal in relation to the prices they pay for the player and the wages they pay them. It would be a terrible deal for us with a higher outlay.

Also, we have no interest in driving up the prices of Scottish talent outside of our own because we're likely to want to buy it.

[GordonHFC]

Likewise. Not a chance we’re getting £5m upfront for him.

Although in saying that, a lot of the places talking about arsenals interest in him seem to write as if he’ll be a backup first team left back which is utterly mental so maybe £5m isn’t out the question.

We have definitely turned down a £4m bid for him as there were no extras in the deal so someone is willing to pay up front.

[Stuart93]

We have definitely turned down a £4m bid for him as there were no extras in the deal so someone is willing to pay up front.

I thought the previous bid was made up of instalments?

[superfurryhibby]

Nothing personal against you btw but this mentality is part of the problem. If we don’t start increasing the value of players we won’t ever get anywhere and we will continue to moan about the John Mcginn’s of the world losing then for paltry sums.

Fwiw I think clubs need to unite in Scotland and agree this stance only at the game as a whole will get significantly more income IMO.

Whilst agreeing with the sentiment, clubs are never going to unite around incoming transfer fees. There's very different and competing agendas at play across the quite varied circumstances of our top flight clubs.

Football has changed, forever. The issue is much greater than transfer fees, we have to look at sponsorship and income from TV rights and accept that our game operates on the periphery of what has become top class football in Europe. I can't really see anything that can realistically be done that will change that tbh. It's nothing to do with mentality and everything to do with money.

[easty]

Indeed, but as others have said, it’s also up to us not to look desperate for any offer going and stick to our guns.

It doesn’t help when clubs like Livi sell their main striker (and Scotland international) for £1m and then go on and on about what a good deal it was, but somehow or other we need to drive the value of Scottish players up.

I don't think Dykes was a Scotland International when Livi sold him.

[Billy Whizz]

I don't think Dykes was a Scotland International when Livi sold him.

He was named in the squad a few weeks after joining QPR

[BILLYHIBS]

Jermaine Defoe signs 12 month extension with The Rangers as Player/Coach

PLZ

[Aldo]

Agree with this. Hearts got around 11 million for Craig Gordon. Not expecting that just now for Doig, but another season might push his value up. I has a look on the Arsenal forum and they think 5m is loose change [emoji28]

May I point out that it was Vlad that got the 11 million quid and it went right into his suitcase! Not Hearts. Just like the ST and share money!

As for Doig….. they’d be paying for the potential. Sure Ron will make sure we are not short changed.


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[CMurdoch]

Great foot :na na:

:greengrin

[jacomo]

That's why the idea of clubs working together to drive up prices won't necessarily work. £1m for a Livingston player is a good deal for them. Fantastic deal in relation to the prices they pay for the player and the wages they pay them. It would be a terrible deal for us with a higher outlay.

Also, we have no interest in driving up the prices of Scottish talent outside of our own because we're likely to want to buy it.


If the transfer fee for every Scottish player doubled, we’d benefit.

[CMurdoch]

Indeed, but as others have said, it’s also up to us not to look desperate for any offer going and stick to our guns.

It doesn’t help when clubs like Livi sell their main striker (and Scotland international) for £1m and then go on and on about what a good deal it was, but somehow or other we need to drive the value of Scottish players up.

The reported fee for Dykes was £2 million and given the level of wages they pay etc, it will keep Livingston sorted for a while to come hence their happiness at the deal.
I would say the Dykes fee was good when comparing it to what we received for McGinn.

Hibs are in good financial nick as we have seen this season when they told English teams to bolt when their offer wasn't enough or simply didn't suit us.
That is a significant change at Hibs.
Long contracts and financial stability allow a club to play hardball

Caveat - if a player on a long contract stops firing they can simply sit tight on their wage until their long contract ends so it is not a strategy without risk.
Of the current long contracts, Nisbet and Doig look safe bets but as things stand Hibs must be sweating the long Magennis deal.

[Lago]

:top marks
Whilst agreeing with the sentiment, clubs are never going to unite around incoming transfer fees. There's very different and competing agendas at play across the quite varied circumstances of our top flight clubs.

Football has changed, forever. The issue is much greater than transfer fees, we have to look at sponsorship and income from TV rights and accept that our game operates on the periphery of what has become top class football in Europe. I can't really see anything that can realistically be done that will change that tbh. It's nothing to do with mentality and everything to do with money.

[bingo70]

Louis Moult turned down Motherwell to sign for Burton Albion.

Thought he might have gone to Hearts.

[SMAXXA]

Louis Moult turned down Motherwell to sign for Burton Albion.

Thought he might have gone to Hearts.

Am no sure we will see the spending much this season in comparison to what the have traditionally done

[Magpie]

Greg Stewart released from the rangers I will defo have him at ER think he would improve us.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see him back at Dundee.

[Magpie]

Reading the comments in the article it doesn't look like Arsenal have got £5m![emoji1]

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They will spend money but will spend it wisely. No financial gain from European football next season will take a hit.

[Iain G]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see him back at Dundee.

He fits the Jack Ross/Ross Jack preference for players with reversible first and surnames though so we may sign him 😁

[Souter96Mac]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see him back at Dundee.

Good shout, would be a great signing for them. Sort of player, if fit and on form, could be the difference staying up or not.

[Spike Mandela]

He fits the Jack Ross/Ross Jack preference for players with reversible first and surnames though so we may sign him 😁

Must have been a nightmare reading the Fulham team sheet for John Collins and Collins John.:greengrin

[scoopyboy]

Must have been a nightmare reading the Fulham team sheet for John Collins and Collins John.:greengrin

Apologies for diversifying but following on from the Jack Ross / Ross Jack and John Collins / Collins John examples.

Name the Welsh and Scottish Internationalists who played for their countries in the 1980s with name reversals.

[oneone73]

Apologies for diversifying but following on from the Jack Ross / Ross Jack and John Collins / Collins John examples.

Name the Welsh and Scottish Internationalists who played for their countries in the 1980s with name reversals.

Leighton James and James Leighton.

[CropleyWasGod]

Apologies for diversifying but following on from the Jack Ross / Ross Jack and John Collins / Collins John examples.

Name the Welsh and Scottish Internationalists who played for their countries in the 1980s with name reversals.

James Leighton and Leighton Jim 😆

[Ceebs]

Apologies for diversifying but following on from the Jack Ross / Ross Jack and John Collins / Collins John examples.

Name the Welsh and Scottish Internationalists who played for their countries in the 1980s with name reversals.
Leighton James / Jim Leighton

[The Count]

Remember being told as a young laddie by an old boy in a boozer.
"Son never trust someone with a surname first name" !!!???

[scoopyboy]

My Wales / Scotland teaser lasted long eh, thought it might have been harder.

Well done to the guys who posted the correct answer:thumbsup:

Anyhow back to transfers. :greengrin

[Fish]

Remember being told as a young laddie by an old boy in a boozer.
"Son never trust someone with a surname first name" !!!???

I really should take offence at that but given that almost every one spells my name wrong I not; it isn't even a particularly uncommon surname.

[Lago]

I guess it's a quiet time on the transfer front

[CMurdoch]

Greg Stewart released from Rangers, would probably take him

Very good player but it's so long since he played regularly due to being at Rangers*.
Was very good when playing alongside Kane Hemmings at Dundee and a partnership with Doidge could offer the same.
Just turned 31 and as far as i know no injury issues so a 2 year contract would be good.
Will have become used to a fat wage packet so he may have ideas above his recent playing record.
Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts are his only options in Scotland and Hibs are currently the best of the 3 and will be playing in Europe.
May fire down to England for a couple of years but not sure if anyone would pay him sufficient money to make the disruption in his life worthwhile.
If we sell Nisbet we could do a lot worse than recruiting Stewart and Griffiths.

* Played 33 games at Rangers in his 2 seasons which is more than I thought, but suspect a fair few were coming off the bench

[Dalianwanda]

I guess it's a quiet time on the transfer front

Suppose all our potential targets will be involved in the Euros & dont want to be disturbed at the moment :wink:

[Highwayman]

I’m a bit hazy about the current situation concerning Leigh Griffiths.

Did Celtic not take up the one year extension to his contract on 31 May thus releasing him and making him a free agent thus enabling him and his agent to negotiate with other clubs.

Or were things put on hold pending the arrival (believe when I see it ) Ange Postecoglou and determining who he wants to hold onto.

[Brightside]

Our issue will be that many of our targets will depend on who stays and goes. If we sell a player for lets say £3m that makes a huge differnce to what we are looking at as targets. Greg Stewart v Olivier Giroud. :greengrin:greengrin

[Stuart93]

Our issue will be that many of our targets will depend on who stays and goes. If we sell a player for lets say £3m that makes a huge differnce to what we are looking at as targets. Greg Stewart v Olivier Giroud. :greengrin:greengrin

The only issue with that is we don’t know when/if they’ll be sold. You wait too long and a potential may sign elsewhere

[Jim44]

I’m a bit hazy about the current situation concerning Leigh Griffiths.

Did Celtic not take up the one year extension to his contract on 31 May thus releasing him and making him a free agent thus enabling him and his agent to negotiate with other clubs.

Or were things put on hold pending the arrival (believe when I see it ) Ange Postecoglou and determining who he wants to hold onto.

Griffiths has said that his first choice is to remain at Parkhead, despite them not taking up the extension. If they offer him a new contract, it will be on a vastly reduced wage but probably more than any other Scottish club will match. He will probably be hanging on to that hope until the present bosses and the new manager decide his fate.

[mal]

Very good player but it's so long since he played regularly due to being at Rangers*.
Was very good when playing alongside Kane Hemmings at Dundee and a partnership with Doidge could offer the same.
Just turned 31 and as far as i know no injury issues so a 2 year contract would be good.
Will have become used to a fat wage packet so he may have ideas above his recent playing record.
Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts are his only options in Scotland and Hibs are currently the best of the 3 and will be playing in Europe.
May fire down to England for a couple of years but not sure if anyone would pay him sufficient money to make the disruption in his life worthwhile.
If we sell Nisbet we could do a lot worse than recruiting Stewart and Griffiths.

* Played 33 games at Rangers in his 2 seasons which is more than I thought, but suspect a fair few were coming off the bench

15 league goals in 5 years since leaving Dundee. A hard "no" from me.

[CMurdoch]

15 league goals in 5 years since leaving Dundee. A hard "no" from me.

Wikipedia makes it 17 goals in 4.5 years including 8 goals in 16 appearances for Kilmarnock in the first half of the 2018/19 season

[mal]

Wikipedia makes it 17 goals in 4.5 years including 8 goals in 16 appearances for Kilmarnock in the first half of the 2018/19 season

I looked at Wikipedia too: 4 for Aberdeen, 8 for Killie, 3 for the Rangers: 15 league goals in total, as I said. The other 2 goals you mention are in cup competitions. He's hardly been prolific, much less so than McNulty, for instance, and I wouldn't want him back at ER.

[ericd7]

15 league goals in 5 years since leaving Dundee. A hard "no" from me.

Especially at 31, don't like those signings. If it was a player in his mid twenties then sure.

[bingo70]

I’d really like us to cast our net further afield than just Scotland or people who have played here before.

The prospect of the likes of Devlin, Stewart, Mcmann (the boy from Hamilton, think that’s his name) and others like him would probably all do a job but aren’t exactly getting the juices flowing.

[CMurdoch]

I looked at Wikipedia too: 4 for Aberdeen, 8 for Killie, 3 for the Rangers: 15 league goals in total, as I said. The other 2 goals you mention are in cup competitions. He's hardly been prolific, much less so than McNulty, for instance, and I wouldn't want him back at ER.

Leigh Griffiths has only scored 26 league goals in the last 4 seasons. Do you still want him?

[CMurdoch]

Especially at 31, don't like those signings. If it was a player in his mid twenties then sure.

So you won't want 5 months younger, Leigh Griffiths

[Brightside]

Leigh Griffiths has only scored 26 league goals in the last 4 seasons. Do you still want him?

no :greengrin

[ericd7]

So you won't want 5 months younger, Leigh Griffiths

I don't want him honestly. There's just too many issues there for me. I'd rather we put that wage towards someone with resale value down the line.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[raeburnhibs]

I don't want him honestly. There's just too many issues there for me. I'd rather we put that wage towards someone with resale value down the line.

I don't think we will sign him as I'm not convinced he is Jack Ross's type of player, i.e., too much hassle, but give me match winning goals over re-sale value any day of the week

[Paloschi]

Greg Stewart would be a Jamie Murphy style backwards signing. We should focus our resources on players 26 and under so we can nurture them and get sell on value. Murphy won’t be cheap, isn’t a starter and has fitness issues - we are in no position to move him on. Unless it is a special player like Griffiths, I don’t like us gambling on old firm outcasts who are past their prime.

Meanwhile Aberdeen are looking to the MLS and are close to signing a USA international. I would love us to cast the net a bit wider, like the Stubbs and Lennon era and look to bring in your Marcianos, MacLarens, Malongas etc. We seem a bit too focused on the UK and especially the Scottish market since Hecky and Ross joined. Maybe it is Mathie and the scouting team that are too narrow minded and hesitant to look in other markets.

[Highwayman]

Griffiths has said that his first choice is to remain at Parkhead, despite them not taking up the extension. If they offer him a new contract, it will be on a vastly reduced wage but probably more than any other Scottish club will match. He will probably be hanging on to that hope until the present bosses and the new manager decide his fate.

This certainly clarifies the situation re.Griffiths.
In recent interviews with players who’ve served under Postecoglou,they all say the same thing,”he’s a hard nut who doesn’t suffer fools gladly”.
Anyone who doesn’t buy into his philosophy doesn’t get to hang around him for long.
Its highly likely that once he’s had a chance to study Griffiths somewhat chequered history at Celtic Postecoglou won’t be asking him to hang about long.
This would free up Griffiths,and give rise to the question as to whether Hibs are really serious about acquiring him.

[MrSmith]

I really should take offence at that but given that almost every one spells my name wrong I not; it isn't even a particularly uncommon surname.

Derick Dick isn’t that much of an uncommon name :greengrin

[Since452]

I don't get the fuss around Stewart. Didn't particularly worry me when he played for Aberdeen. We've surely got to be looking at better? He'd be warming the bench every week.

[SMAXXA]

Greg Stewart would be a Jamie Murphy style backwards signing. We should focus our resources on players 26 and under so we can nurture them and get sell on value. Murphy won’t be cheap, isn’t a starter and has fitness issues - we are in no position to move him on. Unless it is a special player like Griffiths, I don’t like us gambling on old firm outcasts who are past their prime.

Meanwhile Aberdeen are looking to the MLS and are close to signing a USA international. I would love us to cast the net a bit wider, like the Stubbs and Lennon era and look to bring in your Marcianos, MacLarens, Malongas etc. We seem a bit too focused on the UK and especially the Scottish market since Hecky and Ross joined. Maybe it is Mathie and the scouting team that are too narrow minded and hesitant to look in other markets.

Or maybe they see that as the best route to get players to come and hit the ground running. Look at the boy Aberdeen signed for about 1m hardly played and gone but came from abroad with good pedigree. Do I need to remind you of Omeonga under the same Mathie approach which shows we will look at players in other leagues. To say it’s a narrow minded is unfair IMO.

[HoboHarry]

I don't want him honestly. There's just too many issues there for me. I'd rather we put that wage towards someone with resale value down the line.
I'll take the goals LG would bring with him....

[Since90+2]

The thing with LG is he is guaranteed to get us some goals. He might not come in and bang in 20 goals but I would be very confident he'd be getting atleast 10 or so.

Depending on what his wage demands are that would be up for debate whether that's value for money.

[Rumble de Thump]

What are the numerous issues with Leigh Griffiths that some people allude to and what kind of hassle would he cause?

[Stuart93]

What are the numerous issues with Leigh Griffiths that some people allude to and what kind of hassle would he cause?

They’ve been well documented in the past few years to be honest, let’s not pretend they don’t exist.

His lack of fitness was flagged up by Lennon on a few occasions and there were issues (won’t speculate) which made him take some time away from football that he’s openly admitted himself.

[MyJo]

Greg Stewart would be a Jamie Murphy style backwards signing. We should focus our resources on players 26 and under so we can nurture them and get sell on value. Murphy won’t be cheap, isn’t a starter and has fitness issues - we are in no position to move him on. Unless it is a special player like Griffiths, I don’t like us gambling on old firm outcasts who are past their prime.

Meanwhile Aberdeen are looking to the MLS and are close to signing a USA international. I would love us to cast the net a bit wider, like the Stubbs and Lennon era and look to bring in your Marcianos, MacLarens, Malongas etc. We seem a bit too focused on the UK and especially the Scottish market since Hecky and Ross joined. Maybe it is Mathie and the scouting team that are too narrow minded and hesitant to look in other markets.

Thanks to Brexit it's going to be much harder for us to cast a wide net for players as anyone coming from outside the UK will now need a Sportsperson Visa in order to come and play for us. The criteria for this is "elite sportspeople and coaches who are internationally established at the highest level and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level in the UK, and who will base themselves in the UK."

We could devote significant resources into identifying, scouting and negotiating terms with a player only to see their visa application rejected because they don't meet this criteria. It used to only be a factor if you were recruiting from outside of the EU but now its any non-UK based player that is subject to this and the additional work and cost it brings.

[Rumble de Thump]

They’ve been well documented in the past few years to be honest, let’s not pretend they don’t exist.

His lack of fitness was flagged up by Lennon on a few occasions and there were issues (won’t speculate) which made him take some time away from football that he’s openly admitted himself.

He previosuly had time out for mental health reasons and reportedly wasn't fit at the start of this season. Those things certainly did happen. I'm just wondering what the current issues are.

[HFC93]

What are the numerous issues with Leigh Griffiths that some people allude to and what kind of hassle would he cause?

Google is your friend.

[Magpie]

Griffiths has said that his first choice is to remain at Parkhead, despite them not taking up the extension. If they offer him a new contract, it will be on a vastly reduced wage but probably more than any other Scottish club will match. He will probably be hanging on to that hope until the present bosses and the new manager decide his fate.

With Edouard reportedly close to leaving for around £18m they might want to keep onto Leigh.

[Hibiza]

He fits the Jack Ross/Ross Jack preference for players with reversible first and surnames though so we may sign him 😁

Superb

[Jim44]

With Edouard reportedly close to leaving for around £18m they might want to keep onto Leigh.

Definitely. And they’ve got him by the short and curlies. They’ll get him to stay on a vastly reduced wage which is huge compared to any other Scottish club.

[Dmas]

Definitely. And they’ve got him by the short and curlies. They’ll get him to stay on a vastly reduced wage which is huge compared to any other Scottish club.

It’s an option of a year extension of his current terms I can’t see them wanting to carry on paying that

[Billy Whizz]

It’s an option of a year extension of his current terms I can’t see them wanting to carry on paying that

As far as I’m aware they didn’t trigger that
Could still offer him something on reduced terms though, if the new Manager wants him in

[calumhibee1]

It’s an option of a year extension of his current terms I can’t see them wanting to carry on paying that

They didn’t take up that option if the rumours are true. That had to be taken up by last week so I suppose Leigh is, in theory, a free agent.

There’s nothing to stop Celtic going back though and saying “we’ll give you £8k a week rather than the £20k a week you were getting” and it’ll still be the best Griffiths will get in Scotland.

[Ringothedog]

They didn’t take up that option if the rumours are true. That had to be taken up by last week so I suppose Leigh is, in theory, a free agent.

There’s nothing to stop Celtic going back though and saying “we’ll give you £8k a week rather than the £20k a week you were getting” and it’ll still be the best Griffiths will get in Scotland.

Totally agree but is a one year deal of 8k with Celtc better than 4K a week 3 year contract with another club?

[Rumble de Thump]

Google is your friend.

Cheers. I've heard of Google but the answers aren't available there, which is why I was hoping anyone who has mentioned the issues and hassle might be able to explain.

[vercol36]

They’ve been well documented in the past few years to be honest, let’s not pretend they don’t exist.

His lack of fitness was flagged up by Lennon on a few occasions and there were issues (won’t speculate) which made him take some time away from football that he’s openly admitted himself.

Sounds like more of a reason to sign him up, to be honest. Bring him back home, make him feel welcome, make him feel wanted, let him play out the rest of his career at the club he loves.

[vercol36]

Sounds like more of a reason to sign him up, to be honest. Bring him back home, make him feel welcome, make him feel wanted, let him play out the rest of his career at the club he loves.

At least, that's my plan for retirement. Don't know about you guys...

[CapitalGreen]

Totally agree but is a one year deal of 8k with Celtc better than 4K a week 3 year contract with another club?

Depends if he backs himself to earn another extension for the following year. If he’s still as good as everyone says he his then he should feel confident in doing so.

[Greencore]

Day 20 of checking for transfer speculation, nope, maybe tomorrow something will pop up.

[Percy Vere]

Cheers. I've heard of Google but the answers aren't available there, which is why I was hoping anyone who has mentioned the issues and hassle might be able to explain.

Well documented mental health issues, which kept him out of the game for sometime. Fitness issues, possibly could be linked to his mental health.
I still believe a Leigh, back in his home club, surrounded by a great support team and adored by the fans will have two or three good seasons in him. Could be positive for all concerned.

[northstandhibby]

Leigh's a quality player and would be a great signing. But its totally dependent on other factors - how much would it cost and might the money spent on Leigh prevent us from possibly pushing the boat out on procuring a very promising younger potential from elsewhere and/or re signing Jackson Irvine among other things. If Leigh was affordable without threatening the budget then it would be a very very good move to bring Leigh home.

[HFC93]

Cheers. I've heard of Google but the answers aren't available there, which is why I was hoping anyone who has mentioned the issues and hassle might be able to explain.

I think Leigh's issues have been pretty well documented in newspapers, social media, etc. Suprised it's news to anyone.

[Rumble de Thump]

I mentioned I'd been asking about current issues but there's still not been any explanation of those. Does that mean there are none? I'd have thought how unfit someone was for a while a year or so ago is unlikely to be of much concern. He's been fit and available to play for almost the whole season now. I was just interested to know if there was actually some reason why a club wouldn't want to sign him now, what hassle he would cause etc.

[Percy Vere]

I mentioned I'd been asking about current issues but there's still not been any explanation of those. Does that mean there are none? I'd have thought how unfit someone was for a while a year or so ago is unlikely to be of much concern. He's been fit and available to play for almost the whole season now. I was just interested to know if there was actually some reason why a club wouldn't want to sign him now, what hassle he would cause etc.

This is purely reading between the lines and having some experience of mental health issues. Often these things don’t simply go away. So perhaps there are still days where it’s tough to get motivated. Difficult to train.
Maybe not communicative around the place….who knows.
I think his fitness remained in question throughout last season. Hence not being selected by Mr Clark for the Euros squad.
It’s a tough situation and I hope he’s able to move on this season and return to being the gifted striker he is on a consistent basis (preferably for the Hibees).

[Greenworld]

Totally agree but is a one year deal of 8k with Celtc better than 4K a week 3 year contract with another club?Simply yes.

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[weecounty hibby]

Saw Marcianos name crop up on another thread. Has he got a new club yet?

[CMurdoch]

25 year old Scottish centre half Liam Lindsay has signed for Preston on a 2 year contract for an undisclosed fee from Stoke City.
His 3rd English team since moving down from Partick Thistle.
He was one a few of us thought could be a good fit for Hibs.
Will he join us in 2 years time? Probably not.

[nonshinyfinish]

25 year old Scottish centre half Liam Lindsay has signed for Preston on a 2 year contract for an undisclosed fee from Stoke City.
His 3rd English team since moving down from Partick Thistle.
He was one a few of us thought could be a good fit for Hibs.
Will he join us in 2 years time? Probably not.

This is a decent idea given the paucity of real transfer rumours – get the speculation going on the summer 2023 transfer window.

[Since452]

Well documented mental health issues, which kept him out of the game for sometime. Fitness issues, possibly could be linked to his mental health.
I still believe a Leigh, back in his home club, surrounded by a great support team and adored by the fans will have two or three good seasons in him. Could be positive for all concerned.

I wonder what frame of mind he'll be in after being left out of the Euros.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Saw Marcianos name crop up on another thread. Has he got a new club yet?

Was there even any rumours about interested clubs like there is/has been for Doig, Porteous, Nisbet?

[shetlandhibee]

I wonder what frame of mind he'll be in after being left out of the Euros.

If he did ( fingers crossed 🤞) end up back at Hibs , IMO I think he’d be pretty motivated to do good , he never got a consistent run of games all season, if he had had as much minutes as eduard on the park he would have had as much goals , I don’t think him playing more minutes this past season would have made Celtic any weaker put it that way 😂 he could be our game changer against the uglys as well if we are ever lucky enough to bring him home!👌💚

[Jim44]

Looks like the Griffiths saga might drag on for a while yet. The new guy has to quarantine for 10 days when he arrives from Japan. He won’t be at Parkhead for the start of pre-season.

[Souter96Mac]

Looks like the Griffiths saga might drag on for a while yet. The new guy has to quarantine for 10 days when he arrives from Japan. He won’t be at Parkhead for the start of pre-season.

My Celtic pal at work said something about Leigh's brother posting on social media that he had been released.

Not sure if this is old news, but I also seen that Hendry had been liking some Hibs fans' tweets asking him to join. Not sure how credible that is of an indication though!

[greenginger]

Looks like the Griffiths saga might drag on for a while yet. The new guy has to quarantine for 10 days when he arrives from Japan. He won’t be at Parkhead for the start of pre-season.

Neither will Leigh.

[Jim44]

Neither will Leigh.

Maybe you should have a look at him first, before you decide, Ange.:greengrin

[badabing67]

If he did ( fingers crossed 🤞) end up back at Hibs , IMO I think he’d be pretty motivated to do good , he never got a consistent run of games all season, if he had had as much minutes as eduard on the park he would have had as much goals , I don’t think him playing more minutes this past season would have made Celtic any weaker put it that way 😂 he could be our game changer against the uglys as well if we are ever lucky enough to bring him home!👌💚

I agree with you I think he will be extremely motivated to get back in a Scotland squad with the world cup next year

[J-C]

Looks like the Griffiths saga might drag on for a while yet. The new guy has to quarantine for 10 days when he arrives from Japan. He won’t be at Parkhead for the start of pre-season.

Neither will Griffiths, he doesn't play for them anymore, seemingly been seen keeping fit with a PT.

[Jim44]

Neither will Griffiths, he doesn't play for them anymore, seemingly been seen keeping fit with a PT.

Correct about the PT but I read that he’s doing that to be in decent shape to impress the new guy and possibly get a new contract. He might not be officially on their books but his first priority is to return there.
An interesting post on KS yesterday.

I don't think his contract is 'up'
He got a 4 year deal with us having the option to cut the last year (now) , and given that most contracts finish on the 10th of June, I would guess that if they don't put out a 'thank you leigh' video tomorrow...... it would suggest he's staying . Not fact, just my thoughts

[flash]

If he is desperate to stay with Celtic then I don't particularly want him here.
Childish maybe but there you go.

[Greencore]

If he is desperate to stay with Celtic then I don't particularly want him here.
Childish maybe but there you go.

Not childish in the slightest. Want players who want to play for us, supporter or not. Not some player who just wants a wage

[147lothian]

Not childish in the slightest. Want players who want to play for us, supporter or not. Not some player who just wants a wage

Aye but to be fair a wage is what he needs he does have a lotta kids to support :tee hee:

[GordonHFC]

If he is desperate to stay with Celtic then I don't particularly want him here.
Childish maybe but there you go.

He is not desperate to stay at Celtic he is desperate for the salary.

[MWHIBBIES]

He is not desperate to stay at Celtic he is desperate for the salary.

Same thing.

[HoboHarry]

He is not desperate to stay at Celtic he is desperate for the salary.

:agree: Perfectly normal thing to do frankly, stay where you get paid the most so I don't see what the problem is.

[Spudster]

If he is desperate to stay with Celtic then I don't particularly want him here.
Childish maybe but there you go.

If your wage was £10K and was gonna drop to £3K would you not be desperate to stay?

[flash]

If your wage was £10K and was gonna drop to £3K would you not be desperate to stay?

Yes but it's not me.

[calumhibee1]

If he is desperate to stay with Celtic then I don't particularly want him here.
Childish maybe but there you go.

I presume using the same logic you don’t want pretty much every footballer in the world here?

Near enough everyone would rather sign for Celtic than Hibs unfortunately.

[Hibiza]

Come home Leigh !!

[flash]

I presume using the same logic you don’t want pretty much every footballer in the world here?

Near enough everyone would rather sign for Celtic than Hibs unfortunately.

Jeez which part of childish are folk not getting here. I know my view isn't logical.

[Greenbeard]

If your wage was £10K and was gonna drop to £3K would you not be desperate to stay?
If I had earned as much as he already has and had the option of 2-3 years on £10k week but hardly playing and being distinctly unhappy when I've already got issues, or £3k/week, playing, having a chance to get back in the Scotland squad, and most of all being happy working somewhere where I feel wanted and at home, I'd definitely go for the latter.

[Hibernian Verse]

If I had earned as much as he already has and had the option of 2-3 years on £10k week but hardly playing and being distinctly unhappy when I've already got issues, or £3k/week, playing, having a chance to get back in the Scotland squad, and most of all being happy working somewhere where I feel wanted and at home, I'd definitely go for the latter.

I think "definitely" is a stretch, as it doesn't take in to account your monthly outgoings suddenly having to dramatically reduce when you potentially have a mortgage(s), cars, plenty kids etc etc.

You'd have to make an informed decision financially.

[Haymaker]

Come home Leigh !!

I agree.

[flash]

I agree.

You should have mentioned it before.

[madhatter]

Think this summer is going to be extremely quiet. Don't see much happening. I think we'll keep small squad. Also, if Celtic are keeping Griffiths then we'll probably keep Nisbet unless we've got another hidden gem lined up.

Hope it is more interesting than I expect as league will be tougher next season and we had some nasty stutters last season which would've been easier to avoid if we had some competition for places. When's pre-season starting?

[04Sauzee]

Think this summer is going to be extremely quiet. Don't see much happening. I think we'll keep small squad. Also, if Celtic are keeping Griffiths then we'll probably keep Nisbet unless we've got another hidden gem lined up.

Hope it is more interesting than I expect as league will be tougher next season and we had some nasty stutters last season which would've been easier to avoid if we had some competition for places. When's pre-season starting?

I'm expecting to see a fair bit of action tbh even if we do keep a small squad.

We have already lost Marciano with Macey coming in although he was already here tail end of last season, will Dabrowski be No2 or go on loan?
Stephen McGinn has already departed and we aren't yet sure what Irvine will do?
I'd expect McGregor to have less game time and sure it was reportedly we'd sign another CB if Porteous was staying and 2 if he left.
Also think in may have been reported that we wanted another striker and again maybe 2 if we lost Nisbet.
There has to be question marks over Allan and Hallberg if they want to go and be 1st picks elsewhere.
Decisions also to be made on Fraser and Gullan I'd imagine.

Also expect Tom James to move on.

Edit.. Mallan not Allan

Not saying Mallan and Hallberg should move on I just think they may want more game time.

[JohnM1875]

Think this summer is going to be extremely quiet. Don't see much happening. I think we'll keep small squad. Also, if Celtic are keeping Griffiths then we'll probably keep Nisbet unless we've got another hidden gem lined up.

Hope it is more interesting than I expect as league will be tougher next season and we had some nasty stutters last season which would've been easier to avoid if we had some competition for places. When's pre-season starting?

Think you're probably right. Already got Macey and McKay in.

Think we'll probably see another keeper (maybe a loan) ,CB,midfielder to replace Irvine (or Irvine to sign) and a striker. Can't see there being wholesale changes and it'll be about quality rather than quantity.

Could make for boring thread!

[calumhibee1]

Jeez which part of childish are folk not getting here. I know my view isn't logical.

That’s fair. Apologies :greengrin

[flash]

That’s fair. Apologies :greengrin

No worries.

[madhatter]

I'm expecting to see a fair bit of action tbh even if we do keep a small squad.

We have already lost Marciano with Macey coming in although he was already here tail end of last season, will Dabrowski be No2 or go on loan?
Stephen McGinn has already departed and we aren't yet sure what Irvine will do?
I'd expect McGregor to have less game time and sure it was reportedly we'd sign another CB if Porteous was staying and 2 if he left.
Also think in may have been reported that we wanted another striker and again maybe 2 if we lost Nisbet.
There has to be question marks over Allan and Hallberg if they want to go and be 1st picks elsewhere.
Decisions also to be made on Fraser and Gullan I'd imagine.

Also expect Tom James to move on.

Edit.. Mallan not Allan

Not saying Mallan and Hallberg should move on I just think they may want more game time.

Fair point. I personally think Dabrowski should be our no2. Use him in the cup games. He's done well on loan and I hope he gets what Macey got, and starts the cup games.

Stephen McGinn isn't really like losing a player. That was a backup to the backup type job. Irvine is definitely a point, I have a feeling he won't be back and tbh I'm not bothered. We'll need to get someone though.

Tom James will likely be gone. Mallan and Hallberg are good points but without transfer interest I doubt we'll shift them on for free.

Fraser Murray and/or Jamie Gullan leaving will be a relative non-event as they've done well on loan but still look so far from holding down a 1st team position. Especially Fraser Murray, who clearly has quality, but reminds me of Sam Stanton.

My guess is we may see 4-5 player changes at most. Sounds reasonably large number until you look at squad size and Murray, Gullan, Mallan, Hallberg, James, Irvine and Marciano situations. Hope we've got youngsters ready to step up, I think the batches labelled very promising are still too young.

[badabing67]

Think this summer is going to be extremely quiet. Don't see much happening. I think we'll keep small squad. Also, if Celtic are keeping Griffiths then we'll probably keep Nisbet unless we've got another hidden gem lined up.

Hope it is more interesting than I expect as league will be tougher next season and we had some nasty stutters last season which would've been easier to avoid if we had some competition for places. When's pre-season starting?

28th June

[madhatter]

28th June

Cheers, not long then.

Should hopefully see something over the next week or so. Even clarity over Irvine situation…

[badabing67]

Cheers, not long then.

Should hopefully see something over the next week or so. Even clarity over Irvine situation…

He is away with the Aussie squad so may take a break before he makes any decision

[04Sauzee]

Didn't realise Aberdeen had agreed a fee with Houston Dynamo for striker Christian Ramirez

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/3212932/aberdeen-agree-deal-for-us-striker-christian-ramirez/

[Heisenberg]

Be some move for Porteous if it happens. Probably not the best league but Galatasaray are a massive club.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7237079/galatasaray-preparing-transfer-bid-hibs-ryan-porteous/

[04Sauzee]

EURO GIANTS Galatasaray preparing £1million plus transfer bid for Hibs star Ryan Porteous which could hand him Champions League shot

[Vault Boy]

Be some move for Porteous if it happens. Probably not the best league but Galatasaray are a massive club.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7237079/galatasaray-preparing-transfer-bid-hibs-ryan-porteous/

Interesting one. Given we apparently knocked back £1M for him in January, I can't see that going anywhere unless the 'plus' in £1m+ means another million. :greengrin

Would be a far more ambitious and exciting move than a mid-table EFL Championship team.

[madhatter]

Interesting one. Given we apparently knocked back £1M for him in January, I can't see that going anywhere unless the 'plus' in £1m+ means another million. :greengrin

Would be a far more ambitious and exciting move than a mid-table EFL Championship team.

In footballing terms it’s relatively risk free for Ryan as well as long as he keeps working hard. Even mildly succeeding at Galatasary will have him well paid and give him options should he get fed up. Yeah, Champions League vs EFL Championship is easy choice.

Hopefully £2m+ with substantial add-ons.

[Stuart93]

Reckon if we can get about £1.5m with a decent sell on he’ll be away. Probably wouldn’t complain at that

[BegbieHSC]

If true and we cash in, I’d be giving St Johnstone a significant share of that for Jason Kerr.

[Stuart93]

If true and we cash in, I’d be giving St Johnstone a significant share of that for Jason Kerr.

This is what I’d like

[Haymaker]

You should have mentioned it before.

I don't post often.

[04Sauzee]

Aberdeen In pole position to get young Brighton prospect on loan according to a few reports.

Aberdeen are winning the race to sign Brighton and Hove Albion attacking midfielder Teddy Jenks. (1/5) https://t.co/Ta5mBPWgsf

[Centre Hawf]

If true and we cash in, I’d be giving St Johnstone a significant share of that for Jason Kerr.

I agree. If we can get close to £1.5m I'd let him go and then ask St Johnstone what they want. If we can get him for under 750k it would be a good situation all round. Would be a bold financial move for sure but I think it would allow us to carry on seamlessly from losing an important player and invest in another potential huge sellable asset.

[Ronniekirk]

Aberdeen In pole position to get young Brighton prospect on loan according to a few reports.

Aberdeen are winning the race to sign Brighton and Hove Albion attacking midfielder Teddy Jenks. (1/5) https://t.co/Ta5mBPWgsf

Do they also have a link up with Brighton
Have to assume we aren’t interested as no point in having a link up if we don’t get first dibs


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[PatHead]

Aberdeen In pole position to get young Brighton prospect on loan according to a few reports.

Aberdeen are winning the race to sign Brighton and Hove Albion attacking midfielder Teddy Jenks. (1/5) https://t.co/Ta5mBPWgsf

Thought we had first dibs on Brighton players?

[04Sauzee]

Missed this earlier as well

Livingston FC is delighted to announce the signing of Adam Lewis on a season-long-loan from English Premier League giants Liverpool.

The 21-year-old joins the Lions after loan spells with Amiens SC & Plymouth Argyle last season.

Welcome to Livingston, Adam! 👋🏻

[SMAXXA]

Thought we had first dibs on Brighton players?

Only if we actually want them

[bingo70]

Only if we actually want them

I wonder if our transfer plans are hamstrung a little until we know what players we are losing and for how much.

Fairly conservative estimates would see us getting around £6m for Doig, Nisbet, Porteous and Boyle.

That would be a hugely significant sum for us and bound to effect the players we would be in for and how much we could offer them.

[Brightside]

I wonder if our transfer plans are hamstrung a little until we know what players we are losing and for how much.

Fairly conservative estimates would see us getting around £6m for Doig, Nisbet, Porteous and Boyle.

That would be a hugely significant sum for us and bound to effect the players we would be in for and how much we could offer them.

Of course they are. We can’t rush in and sign players yet as our squad development totally depends on who goes. We need to sort that out ASAP.

[CMurdoch]

Be some move for Porteous if it happens. Probably not the best league but Galatasaray are a massive club.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7237079/galatasaray-preparing-transfer-bid-hibs-ryan-porteous/

:yw:

[bingo70]

Of course they are. We can’t rush in and sign players yet as our squad development totally depends on who goes. We need to sort that out ASAP.

That’s outwith our control though.

If we want to get maximum value for the players, we need to be looking to put off bids coming in, not encouraging them.

Tough one for the club to handle and I’d love to know how they go about managing the situation.

[SMAXXA]

Of course they are. We can’t rush in and sign players yet as our squad development totally depends on who goes. We need to sort that out ASAP.

But we are actively down he road with a couple of signings despite the lack of clarity about who will stay and go so although it will impact the side of the transfer dealings we aren’t sitting waiting for developments. We will see players come in before we see them go IMO

[CMurdoch]

But we are actively down he road with a couple of signings despite the lack of clarity about who will stay and go so although it will impact the side of the transfer dealings we aren’t sitting waiting for developments. We will see players come in before we see them go IMO

I agree with your last sentence.
That way you get players at sensible prices rather other teams wanting more cash from us because they know we are wedged.

[Greenworld]

I wonder if our transfer plans are hamstrung a little until we know what players we are losing and for how much.

Fairly conservative estimates would see us getting around £6m for Doig, Nisbet, Porteous and Boyle.

That would be a hugely significant sum for us and bound to effect the players we would be in for and how much we could offer them.Well according to Arsnal fans they are telling the club to pay the tiny fee of 5 million for doig . So i think you can up your estimate . I know some are saying he wont go there but i dont beleive he could turn down a move he will be made for life. Coincidently would also be So similar to hibs in and out of the side when tierney is injured which is quite a bit .
What a move for him it would be.
Porteous i dont beleive hibs will let him go for 1 million thats an under valuation .
Nisbet well 4 million seems to be reasonable money for him.
So for me sell nisbet and doig keep the rest and bring in some class with our 9 million kitty.
Ps if man utd are interested in john mcginn you can add another 3 million or so as seems to be the rumour .


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[ancient hibee]

I’m sure the club won’t be daft enough to put off bringing players in until other players are sold. That’s a sure way to end up,paying well over the odds.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Didn't realise Aberdeen had agreed a fee with Houston Dynamo for striker Christian Ramirez

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/3212932/aberdeen-agree-deal-for-us-striker-christian-ramirez/

It will be interesting to see how he does. He's never played outside the USA. Prolific scorer at the lower levels in the states but his goal rate dropped when he stepped up to the MLS, but still scores roughly 1 in 3.

[04Sauzee]

How many signings have Killie made now ?

From Forest Green to the Heart of our Homeland.

Welcome to Killie, @chrisstokes91

📸 @ProSportsImages

[Hibee Mac]

How many signings have Killie made now ?

From Forest Green to the Heart of our Homeland.

Welcome to Killie, @chrisstokes91

[emoji991] @ProSportsImagesI just punted him from the team in my Forest Green Rovers Fifa 21 save cause he wasn't good enough and pushing on a bit in age...

In all seriousness though he appeared to be their captain (in Fifa anyway ...). Might be an okay signing for the championship.

[h1bs4life]

Galatasaray would be a good move for Porteuos , Champions League football, chance to learn from big players and a decent wage .
Even if he was to struggle a bit in Turkey there would an English Championship that would come in for him.
He gets some amount of stick for such a young player , can see him going on to be a top player and a regular for Scotland

[Iggy Pope]

Is it only me that isn’t enamoured at the prospect of losing Ryan Porteous? It’s terrible news.

[Ray_]

Is it only me that isn’t enamoured at the prospect of losing Ryan Porteous? It’s terrible news.

I'm with you on that one.

[Since90+2]

I think Porteous is easier to replace than both Boyle and Nisbet. Players with pace and skill like Boyle are very hard to come by at our level and someone who scores the amount and different types of goals that Nisbet does are rare in Scottish football.

I don't want to lose Porteous, but I would rather lose him than Boyle or Nisbet.

[Bangkok Hibby]

I'm with you on that one.

Yes me too. Some shocking mistakes this season but he's going to be a really good, solid player. Future Scotland captain.

[Stuart93]

Is it only me that isn’t enamoured at the prospect of losing Ryan Porteous? It’s terrible news.

Wouldn’t say anyone’s enamoured but personally don’t think he’s as good as sometimes made out and is more replaceable than some our other players who’re linked with moves away

[Stuart93]

Yes me too. Some shocking mistakes this season but he's going to be a really good, solid player. Future Scotland captain.

I’d be very surprised to see Porteous as a Scotland captain especially when you compare him to the current Scotland captain who’s not long won the champions league and premier league

He’s a decent player but I don’t think he’ll ever be that level, or the level to become Scotland captain imo

[Since90+2]

I’d be very surprised to see Porteous as a Scotland captain especially when you compare him to the current Scotland captain who’s not long won the champions league and premier league

He’s a decent player but I don’t think he’ll ever be that level, or the level to become Scotland captain imo

He won't be Scotland captain. There's guys like McGinn, Mctominay and Tierney who will take on that role throughout the next 7 or 8 years.

[Stuart93]

Shanley on loan to Edinburgh city

[Iggy Pope]

Wouldn’t say anyone’s enamoured but personally don’t think he’s as good as sometimes made out and is more replaceable than some our other players who’re linked with moves away

He is good though.
Who would you replace this young prospect, international call up under his belt, regular starter in a fairly good season....with?

[Since90+2]

He is good though.
Who would you replace this young prospect, international call up under his belt, regular starter in a fairly good season....with?

I think if we were to get around 1.5 million for Porteous and could bring in Jason Kerr for a few hundred thousand that wouldn't be a bad deal for us overall.

[weecounty hibby]

He's a good player and could easily do a Paul Hanlon and be a regular in the Hibs team for the next 10 years. Still to be convinced he will be an international regular or regular EPL player. I'd prefer him to stay at Hibs as I think we would struggle to replace him with anyone who is just as good as he is a good all rounder

[Since90+2]

He's a good player and could easily do a Paul Hanlon and be a regular in the Hibs team for the next 10 years. Still to be convinced he will be an international regular or regular EPL player. I'd prefer him to stay at Hibs as I think we would struggle to replace him with anyone who is just as good as he is a good all rounder

I think he has a higher upside than Hanlon but it's yet to be seen whether he can play at anything like EPL level or consistently at international level.

[Smartie]

Is it only me that isn’t enamoured at the prospect of losing Ryan Porteous? It’s terrible news.

Depends which Ryan Porteous we're talking about.

I loved him when he first broke into the team. Whilst he understandably had a few rough edges, he was a very good and effective player from the moment he broke into the team, staking a very strong claim ahead of experienced players of good pedigree.

He's lost his way though and I don't think that can be denied. The problem with the way he's lost his way is that it appears to be mental and associated with the "head's turned" effect of being around the international squad and attracting interest from bigger clubs. It would be nice to think he'd be happy to stay, play through his recent shaky form and become a better player who attracts a better next move, but the reality (as I see it) is that I just don't think he wants that - he looks every bit the player to me who wants away and sees his future at a higher level.

And I only really want to see players play for Hibs who actually want to play for Hibs.

It just feels to me like his time at the club has reached a natural conclusion, and it's reached a conclusion with his level of performance being quite a bit short of previous excellent players who had clearly done as much as they could with us and had earned the right to play (and earn) at a higher level.

[Iggy Pope]

I think if we were to get around 1.5 million for Porteous and could bring in Jason Kerr for a few hundred thousand that wouldn't be a bad deal for us overall.

I think that’s a bit of fantasy. Jason Kerr will have more suitors than Ryan Porteous I think and is starting to look unaffordable in my opinion. I know people hang on to him being a Hibby but so is Ryan Porteous. This few hundred thousand thing I’m not sure where it comes from. He’s worth more than that and his CV proves it.

[The Modfather]

Is it only me that isn’t enamoured at the prospect of losing Ryan Porteous? It’s terrible news.

I’d like him to stay, and think he will continue to improve. However for all the players linked with moves he’s probably the “easiest” to replace. Maybe not with someone as comfortable on the ball but, we may want a more dominant no nonsense CB to compliment Hanlon. Basically a younger McGregor.

Selling Porteous might allow us to keep Nisbet & Doig for another year as well as a couple of signings that will help improve the team and help make us more than the sum of our current parts.

[Jim44]

Some muppets on KS are talking about a deal involving Nisbet and Doig with Griffiths plus cash coming our way. If, as it seems they are not taking up the year extension, Griffiths isn’t theirs to to use as a makeweight in any deal.

[Since90+2]

I think that’s a bit of fantasy. Jason Kerr will have more suitors than Ryan Porteous I think and is starting to look unaffordable in my opinion. I know people hang on to him being a Hibby but so is Ryan Porteous. This few hundred thousand thing I’m not sure where it comes from. He’s worth more than that and his CV proves it.

His contract is up in May so he can sign a pre contract in January. They won't be getting millions for him.

Even if we got £1 million for Porteous and had to pay £400,000 or so for Kerr we will have made a sizeable profit and I don't think we'd be weakening our side much (potentially improving it going on Kerr's form since January).

[Stuart93]

He is good though.
Who would you replace this young prospect, international call up under his belt, regular starter in a fairly good season....with?

You’ve just named him up above. Sell him for £1.5m and bring in Jason Kerr for £500k, it wouldn’t take any more than that to bring him in considering he’s only a year left on his deal imo

I actually think the fact Porteous is a “hibs laddie” clouds peoples judgements on his ability

[Iggy Pope]

I’d like him to stay, and think he will continue to improve. However for all the players linked with moves he’s probably the “easiest” to replace. Maybe not with someone as comfortable on the ball but, we may want a more dominant no nonsense CB to compliment Hanlon. Basically a younger McGregor.

Selling Porteous might allow us to keep Nisbet & Doig for another year as well as a couple of signings that will help improve the team and help make us more than the sum of our current parts.

That’s it in a nutshell for me, I’m not sure where that no nonsense CB is coming from unless we are hoping Darren’s legs and knees last another season.

[Andy74]

You’ve just named him up above. Sell him for £1.5m and bring in Jason Kerr for £500k, it wouldn’t take any more than that to bring him in imo

Why don’t the teams interested in Porteous go for Kerr instead?

Sounds like a better player for £1m less?!

[Stuart93]

Why don’t the teams interested in Porteous go for Kerr instead?

Sounds like a better player for £1m less?!

Probably a similar reason no St Johnstone players are in the Scotland squad despite them doing a domestic double

Out with that I’m no too sure but I know who I’d prefer, imo of course

[Iggy Pope]

You’ve just named him up above. Sell him for £1.5m and bring in Jason Kerr for £500k, it wouldn’t take any more than that to bring him in considering he’s only a year left on his deal imo

I actually think the fact Porteous is a “hibs laddie” clouds peoples judgements on his ability

I never named him 90+2 did, I only replied. We won’t get him for that money IMO and we won’t be the only ones looking at him either. Like I said I think it’s a bit of fantasy.
I’m not clouded on his ability. Ryan Porteous is a good player.

[Iggy Pope]

Why don’t the teams interested in Porteous go for Kerr instead?

Sounds like a better player for £1m less?!

Nail. Heed.

[Stuart93]

I never named him 90+2 did, I only replied. We won’t get him for that money IMO and we won’t be the only ones looking at him either. Like I said I think it’s a bit of fantasy.
I’m not clouded on his ability. Ryan Porteous is a good player.

We won’t need to pay anymore than half a million for a player with a year left on his deal imo. I’d be surprised if he’s sold for anymore than that unless he signs a new deal with them

I’m not arguing about whether or not Porteous is a good player, I just reckon he’s replaceable is all

[Since90+2]

I never named him 90+2 did, I only replied. We won’t get him for that money IMO and we won’t be the only ones looking at him either. Like I said I think it’s a bit of fantasy.
I’m not clouded on his ability. Ryan Porteous is a good player.

I honestly doubt St Johnstone will get north of £500,000 for a 24 year old centre half who had never played at a higher level or been in a Scotland squad and who can sign a pre contract in January.

Infact I think you'd probably ultimately get him for a bit less than that with add ons for appearances ect.

[Since90+2]

Nail. Heed.

Football doesn't work like that though does it.

Why did Celtic sign Marvin Sved instead of John McGinn for less? Why did they sign Barkas for 4.5 million instead of Rocky for a fraction of that? They'll be countless examples of players that have signed for more than counterparts but turned out to worse signings.

Ryan is a good player but the initial question was who could we realistically sign to replace him. I think a decent answer to that query has been provided.

[Ronniekirk]

Well according to Arsnal fans they are telling the club to pay the tiny fee of 5 million for doig . So i think you can up your estimate . I know some are saying he wont go there but i dont beleive he could turn down a move he will be made for life. Coincidently would also be So similar to hibs in and out of the side when tierney is injured which is quite a bit .
What a move for him it would be.
Porteous i dont beleive hibs will let him go for 1 million thats an under valuation .
Nisbet well 4 million seems to be reasonable money for him.
So for me sell nisbet and doig keep the rest and bring in some class with our 9 million kitty.
Ps if man utd are interested in john mcginn you can add another 3 million or so as seems to be the rumour .


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I genuinely think Doig is happy to wait another year with us He is a confident guy who knows what he wants snd he can get a move to the club of his choice if he continues his progress with us


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[Franck Stanton]

Really don't get it with all this Jason Kerr talk.
Yes he is a reasonably good player, however the system the Saints play, a back 5 with two sitting midfelders who give the centre halves great protection, wouldn't have to be outstanding to play c/ h for them. Would Kerr cut it in a different formation? I have my doubts. Just my opinion.

[Hector Mudflap]

Sell Doig for 5 million and buy Arron Hicky for 3- Man I would love to just see that.

[Billy Whizz]

Shanley on loan to Edinburgh city

Good move for Ryan. Think City could be favourites to go up
He needs to get some games under his belt, hasn’t played a lot in the last year or so
Noticed Josh Campbell was in the SPFL league 2 team of the year
Wonder where he’ll be
I much prefer Hibs sent boys on loan to a local club

[Tyler Durden]

Good move for Ryan. Think City could be favourites to go up
He needs to get some games under his belt, hasn’t played a lot in the last year or so
Noticed Josh Campbell was in the SPFL league 2 team of the year
Wonder where he’ll be
I much prefer Hibs sent boys on loan to a local club

Would imagine Kelty will be favourites. Think Edinburgh City have lost a number of players.

They've been unlucky that Cove, Queens Park and now Kelty have all had huge budgets to win that league.

[brog]

Really don't get it with all this Jason Kerr talk.
Yes he is a reasonably good player, however the system the Saints play, a back 5 with two sitting midfelders who give the centre halves great protection, wouldn't have to be outstanding to play c/ h for them. Would Kerr cut it in a different formation? I have my doubts. Just my opinion.


I'm with you on this. There's a reason the younger player Porteous has double the number of Kerr's under age caps, has had a Scotland call up & been subject of bids from the English Champonship & Jason K has not. It's quite simple, the perceived wisdom in football circles is simply that Ryan is the better player & prospect. Unless you're on Hibs Net where at times it seems almost mandatory to knock our players & praise those players of our competitors. As Joni Mitchell said, "you don't know what you've got til it's gone".

[Billy Whizz]

Would imagine Kelty will be favourites. Think Edinburgh City have lost a number of players.

They've been unlucky that Cove, Queens Park and now Kelty have all had huge budgets to win that league.

Still think City will be around top 2 places
Think they are looking to add a few full timers to their books
A load of ex Hibees players still involved, might try and go to see them next season, if allowed

[HoboHarry]

Sell Doig for 5 million and buy Arron Hicky for 3- Man I would love to just see that.
Prefer to buy young potential from the lower leagues somewhere for 250,000 and sell him for 5M in two years time personally. If we can do it once, we can do it again....

[Smartie]

Really don't get it with all this Jason Kerr talk.
Yes he is a reasonably good player, however the system the Saints play, a back 5 with two sitting midfelders who give the centre halves great protection, wouldn't have to be outstanding to play c/ h for them. Would Kerr cut it in a different formation? I have my doubts. Just my opinion.

Sometimes a player needs an opportunity to prove whether or not they can do it though.

He ticks an awful lot of boxes. Some say we lack leadership and whilst I would dispute this point, it can't be denied that our current leaders are getting on a bit and we probably need to have an eye on who is likely to succeed them.

Darren McGregor hasn't always had the most football about him but it can't be denied that he's been a superb signing for us. The art of being able to defend is often overlooked in defenders in favour of other features these days.

Plus - Kerr is a Hibs fan. It's always nice having at least one or two of those in our team.

I think he's played well enough in whichever formation he's played in to merit an opportunity to show what he can do. TBH I've not seen anything to suggest he wouldn't be capable but I accept that every signing is a risk and there's always the chance he might not cut it.

I'd be absolutely blown away if he ended up giving more goals away than Porteous though.

[Smartie]

I'm with you on this. There's a reason the younger player Porteous has double the number of Kerr's under age caps, has had a Scotland call up & been subject of bids from the English Champonship & Jason K has not. It's quite simple, the perceived wisdom in football circles is simply that Ryan is the better player & prospect. Unless you're on Hibs Net where at times it seems almost mandatory to knock our players & praise those players of our competitors. As Joni Mitchell said, "you don't know what you've got til it's gone".

Porteous has the greater potential, albeit he's not there yet.

What it might yet boil down to though is which one actually would want to play for Hibs and how much that desire would affect their performances. I reckon Porteous wants to be elsewhere and if he wound up playing for us next season he'd be pissed off, distracted and probably worse than he was last season. If Kerr were to join it would be a step up, he'd be playing for a bigger club and it would be an opportunity he'd be grateful for. I think that would show on the pitch.

Porteous needs his move in order to kick on as a player. A Championship wage, new coaches, other players around him and I think he'd have the freshness he needs to fulfil his potential. He's only going to regress where he is.

Kerr might reach that stage, he might not.

I fully accept that Porteous is a good player and has bucketloads of potential. His head has outgrown us though.

[Iggy Pope]

We won’t need to pay anymore than half a million for a player with a year left on his deal imo. I’d be surprised if he’s sold for anymore than that unless he signs a new deal with them

I’m not arguing about whether or not Porteous is a good player, I just reckon he’s replaceable is all

Im not arguing either I only asked a question about a replacement. As I’ve already said, someone else said Jason Kerr was the possible replacement, I’m saying there will be more than us looking at him, if indeed we are.
Hibs.net was going spare in January at the thought of Porteous leaving, I don’t see what’s changed.
All players are replaceable of course they are, we need to fill 11 jerseys and have done so for ever. It’s whether we get a better replacement is the question, better than Ryan Porteous. The only name I’m seeing is double cup winner, team of the season man, Jason Kerr.
Who could probably treble his money tomorrow at Peterborough or somewhere.

[Iggy Pope]

Porteous has the greater potential, albeit he's not there yet.

What it might yet boil down to though is which one actually would want to play for Hibs and how much that desire would affect their performances. I reckon Porteous wants to be elsewhere and if he wound up playing for us next season he'd be pissed off, distracted and probably worse than he was last season. If Kerr were to join it would be a step up, he'd be playing for a bigger club and it would be an opportunity he'd be grateful for. I think that would show on the pitch.

Porteous needs his move in order to kick on as a player. A Championship wage, new coaches, other players around him and I think he'd have the freshness he needs to fulfil his potential. He's only going to regress where he is.

Kerr might reach that stage, he might not.

I fully accept that Porteous is a good player and has bucketloads of potential. His head has outgrown us though.

Is that not all in your head too though Smartie? An opinion?
If he’s outgrown us why would Jason Kerr not think bigger?

[Iggy Pope]

Football doesn't work like that though does it.

Why did Celtic sign Marvin Sved instead of John McGinn for less? Why did they sign Barkas for 4.5 million instead of Rocky for a fraction of that? They'll be countless examples of players that have signed for more than counterparts but turned out to worse signings.

Ryan is a good player but the initial question was who could we realistically sign to replace him. I think a decent answer to that query has been provided.

We’ll have to wait and see what’s realistic and decent.

[J-C]

Of all the Hibs v St Johnstone games, Kerr was by far the better of the 2 players, why is no one else trying to buy Kerr over Porteous I haven't a clue. Porteous should've been pushing strongly for a spot in the Euro squad and the fact he hasn't forced his way into the Scotland set up is telling, still has bad lapses of concentration and still capable of making the odd howler, it doesn't look like he's learning quickly enough to cancel out his mistakes. Maybe he's become complacent at Hibs and needs a new challenge at a bigger club maybe.

[Since452]

Porteous has the greater potential, albeit he's not there yet.

What it might yet boil down to though is which one actually would want to play for Hibs and how much that desire would affect their performances. I reckon Porteous wants to be elsewhere and if he wound up playing for us next season he'd be pissed off, distracted and probably worse than he was last season. If Kerr were to join it would be a step up, he'd be playing for a bigger club and it would be an opportunity he'd be grateful for. I think that would show on the pitch.

Porteous needs his move in order to kick on as a player. A Championship wage, new coaches, other players around him and I think he'd have the freshness he needs to fulfil his potential. He's only going to regress where he is.

Kerr might reach that stage, he might not.

I fully accept that Porteous is a good player and has bucketloads of potential. His head has outgrown us though.

Porteous is barely good enough to get a game ahead of veteran Darren McGregor. If he thinks he's outgrown us then he needs a reality check.

[Smartie]

Is that not all in your head too though Smartie? An opinion?
If he’s outgrown us why would Jason Kerr not think bigger?

Yep, purely an opinion and I'm happy to accept that others are available.

I don't know much about Kerr's character. I haven't heard him give interviews in the aftermath of interest from Championship clubs, unlike Porteous. Kerr might have bigger ideas but as it stands he's at a smaller club - achieving a lot there, but at a smaller club nonetheless. Rather than take the biggest on offer right now, he might fancy that he'd get an opportunity at bigger still if he had a few years at Hibs first? Being at Hibs has helped get Porteous onto the fringes of the Scotland squad, Hanlon has been capped lately, as have Nisbet and Stevenson. Maybe that would help him get a better move in a few years? He'd also be able to tick the "play for club supported as a boy" box, one that Porteous ticked long ago.

Or, he might want to go straight to the ££££££. I just don't know. I do know that we'd offer him a few things that St Johnstone can't.

Do you believe that Porteous would be interested in knuckling down and improving at Hibs? I just don't see it, at some point over the past year part of his head already left imo. Whilst he clearly has very impressive attributes as a player, I've not known a Hibs defender to be so error prone (Benny Brazil being just before my time). I just think his time has come at Hibs and it's now about cashing in. If we could manage to get enough cash to secure Kerr and having something left over, I think we'd have won a watch.

All my opinion, and I'm not saying I'm right.

[blackpoolhibs]

All English clubs will have scouts watching every game in Scotland, from the bottom to the top, EVERY game. We dont watch every St Johnstone game, but we do watch them when they play us mostly.

They had our number last season, and that is why we have so many people wanting someone no scout appears to want who's in his last year of his contract i think, over Porteous.

Why would those clubs who send scouts everywhere want the wrong one?

[SMAXXA]

Porteous is barely good enough to get a game ahead of veteran Darren McGregor. If he thinks he's outgrown us then he needs a reality check.

Porteous will be a top player and people will want to retract some of the statements about him in years to come. I’ve never know why some people have to be so negative to a player especially one of our own, some of the criticism he’s came in for is embarrassing. Yea he’s made mistakes as have plenty others but these seem to totally overshadow the very good young player he is. To the point of outgrowing us, I’ve never seen him say this so not sure what that’s all about but one things for sure he will end up at a bigger club than ours before his career ends.

[Earlydelivery]

Porteous will be a top player and people will want to retract some of the statements about him in years to come. I’ve never know why some people have to be so negative to a player especially one of our own, some of the criticism he’s came in for is embarrassing. Yea he’s made mistakes as have plenty others but these seem to totally overshadow the very good young player he is. To the point of outgrowing us, I’ve never seen him say this so not sure what that’s all about but one things for sure he will end up at a bigger club than ours before his career ends.
That’s the post of today … the stick the laddie has been getting is horrific

[Since90+2]

All English clubs will have scouts watching every game in Scotland, from the bottom to the top, EVERY game. We dont watch every St Johnstone game, but we do watch them when they play us mostly.

They had our number last season, and that is why we have so many people wanting someone no scout appears to want who's in his last year of his contract i think, over Porteous.

Why would those clubs who send scouts everywhere want the wrong one?

Not specifically regarding Porteous but you do realise scouts get things wrong? Shane Duffy? The Nigerian left back Hearts had? Josh Vela?

[Smartie]

All English clubs will have scouts watching every game in Scotland, from the bottom to the top, EVERY game. We dont watch every St Johnstone game, but we do watch them when they play us mostly.

They had our number last season, and that is why we have so many people wanting someone no scout appears to want who's in his last year of his contract i think, over Porteous.

Why would those clubs who send scouts everywhere want the wrong one?

They might be looking for something different.

The Championship is a very physical league. Porteous is a bit bigger than Kerr for a start, so that might make him more desirable to them.

Porteous and Kerr aren't exactly the same, like for like player and I'd imagine one club might want one whereas another club would want another, depending on how they play, who they already have etc.

If it was all about which player I'd rather have in a Hibs team with a view to winning football games then I'd rather have Kerr at the moment. I don't know if he has the same sell on potential as Porteous so if it came down to wanting to have a player who was an asset worth money then I'd probably rather have Porteous.

[Bridge hibs]

Not specifically regarding Porteous but you do realise scouts get things wrong? Shane Duffy? The Nigerian left back Hearts had? Josh Vela?Shane Duffy played over 122 games for Brighton, Vela played stacks of games for Bolton, both at a good level, do you honestly think Scouts were involved in their moves to Scotland ? More like clever work of agents

Ps, not sure about the hearts left back but a lot of their signings have been basket cases

[B.H.F.C]

Porteous will be a top player and people will want to retract some of the statements about him in years to come. I’ve never know why some people have to be so negative to a player especially one of our own, some of the criticism he’s came in for is embarrassing. Yea he’s made mistakes as have plenty others but these seem to totally overshadow the very good young player he is. To the point of outgrowing us, I’ve never seen him say this so not sure what that’s all about but one things for sure he will end up at a bigger club than ours before his career ends.

I think he’ll get a move because he’s still at the point where whoever is buying would be buying potential. Still think he’s got a long, long way to go to be a top player though (but suppose that depends how you define what a top player is).

[Since90+2]

Shane Duffy played over 122 games for Brighton, Vela played stacks of games for Bolton, both at a good level, do you honestly think Scouts were involved in their moves to Scotland ? More like clever work of agents

Ps, not sure about the hearts left back but a lot of their signings have been basket cases

Scouts is a bit of an umbrella term in football.

The footballing department at Hibs and specifically the person tasked with player identification would have watched Vela, if not in person then in many hours of video, before making the recommendation to sign him.

Do you think his agent just rang Hibs up and said do you fancy signing Josh and we signed him without due diligence (or scouting). Of course not.

The point being that footballing people make lots of errors when it comes to signings.

[Iggy Pope]

Yep, purely an opinion and I'm happy to accept that others are available.

I don't know much about Kerr's character. I haven't heard him give interviews in the aftermath of interest from Championship clubs, unlike Porteous. Kerr might have bigger ideas but as it stands he's at a smaller club - achieving a lot there, but at a smaller club nonetheless. Rather than take the biggest on offer right now, he might fancy that he'd get an opportunity at bigger still if he had a few years at Hibs first? Being at Hibs has helped get Porteous onto the fringes of the Scotland squad, Hanlon has been capped lately, as have Nisbet and Stevenson. Maybe that would help him get a better move in a few years? He'd also be able to tick the "play for club supported as a boy" box, one that Porteous ticked long ago.

Or, he might want to go straight to the ££££££. I just don't know. I do know that we'd offer him a few things that St Johnstone can't.

Do you believe that Porteous would be interested in knuckling down and improving at Hibs? I just don't see it, at some point over the past year part of his head already left imo. Whilst he clearly has very impressive attributes as a player, I've not known a Hibs defender to be so error prone (Benny Brazil being just before my time). I just think his time has come at Hibs and it's now about cashing in. If we could manage to get enough cash to secure Kerr and having something left over, I think we'd have won a watch.

All my opinion, and I'm not saying I'm right.

Benny must have been before your time as he wasn’t the sort of player Porteous is, he was a combative midfielder too as well as a defender that played under several Hibs managers, all of them fine players, and he never made half the errors people seem to think he did. But enough of the 70s and 80s. You’re old enough to remember 2012-2014 I’m sure and if we are talking error prone liabilities at Hibs there are a few more there who did much more damage than Benny. I never seen him in a defence that chucked 7 away for example. Or 5 to Hearts. Same goes for Ryan Porteous.

I’ve no reason to doubt that Porteous wants to improve and as I like the lad I’d enjoy him continuing the trajectory at Hibs, that’s where I started this.

We appear to keep talking about Jason Kerr as his name gets chucked in as a mouth watering alternative when we already have a very good player two years younger than him and we’ve no idea of the market worth of either of them. As far as I know we’ve not been linked with him either. I’d rather no need for the replacement.

[h1bs4life]

Porteous will be a top player and people will want to retract some of the statements about him in years to come. I’ve never know why some people have to be so negative to a player especially one of our own, some of the criticism he’s came in for is embarrassing. Yea he’s made mistakes as have plenty others but these seem to totally overshadow the very good young player he is. To the point of outgrowing us, I’ve never seen him say this so not sure what that’s all about but one things for sure he will end up at a bigger club than ours before his career ends.

Spot on Porteous is still young and has a lot to learn. He needs someone beside him to rein him in and guide him . McGregor would be the player for that unfortunately the sands of time have caught up with him.

[Bridge hibs]

Scouts is a bit of an umbrella term in football.

The footballing department at Hibs and specifically the person tasked with player identification would have watched Vela, if not in person then in many hours of video, before making the recommendation to sign him.

Do you think his agent just rang Hibs up and said do you fancy signing Josh and we signed him without due diligence (or scouting). Of course not.

The point being that footballing people make lots of errors when it comes to signings.Josh Vela fitted the type of player we were looking for at the time, he has obviously made a good living out of the game & has played at a good level, as has Duffy, Vela turned out to be pants but again played at a good level. I agree scouts do get things wrong and whether scouts or managerial team its part and parcel of the game and we have had a few through our doors. My vision of scouting is unearthing that hidden gem and enjoying them playing for us, hopefully, like the young lad Mackay we have just signed from Inverness

[Bangkok Hibby]

That’s the post of today … the stick the laddie has been getting is horrific

This place is crying out for a "like" button.

[ancient hibee]

Porteous is barely good enough to get a game ahead of veteran Darren McGregor. If he thinks he's outgrown us then he needs a reality check.

Yeh. Let's run him down over something that somebody says about him on here whether it's true or not.

[et_hibby]

Benny must have been before your time as he wasn’t the sort of player Porteous is, he was a combative midfielder too as well as a defender that played under several Hibs managers, all of them fine players, and he never made half the errors people seem to think he did. But enough of the 70s and 80s. You’re old enough to remember 2012-2014 I’m sure and if we are talking error prone liabilities at Hibs there are a few more there who did much more damage than Benny. I never seen him in a defence that chucked 7 away for example. Or 5 to Hearts. Same goes for Ryan Porteous.

I’ve no reason to doubt that Porteous wants to improve and as I like the lad I’d enjoy him continuing the trajectory at Hibs, that’s where I started this.

We appear to keep talking about Jason Kerr as his name gets chucked in as a mouth watering alternative when we already have a very good player two years younger than him and we’ve no idea of the market worth of either of them. As far as I know we’ve not been linked with him either. I’d rather no need for the replacement.
Iggy, I very much agree with you about Mr Brazil. A good servant to Hibs.

[SMAXXA]

This place is crying out for a "like" button.

I’ve said this for years 👍

[Lago]

:not worth[QUOTE=et_hibby;6591880]Iggy, I very much agree with you about Mr Brazil. A good servant to Hibs.
He was 👍

[Jones28]

I’ve said this for years 👍

Don’t you think it would make everything a bit thoughtless? It wouldn’t cultivate any conversation.






But would it contribute to my post count?

[SMAXXA]

Don’t you think it would make everything a bit thoughtless? It wouldn’t cultivate any conversation.






But would it contribute to my post count?

Na I think it would reduce some of the posts that add nothing other than to say I agree or something like that. Plus I like it when folk agree with me which doesn’t happen often 😂😂

[Bridge hibs]

Na I think it would reduce some of the posts that add nothing other than to say I agree or something like that. Plus I like it when folk agree with me which doesn’t happen often 😂😂Agree, in fact I dont, the easily offended on here (and there are many) will be offended if they dont get a like, please dont turn this place into a version of Facebook, a boak inducing place that I detest. If you like a post say so, if you dislike a post then say, induce conversation, dont stifle it no matter whether yeah or nut. Forums and particularly this place have been going a long time because of dialogue, exchange of thoughts, its healthy, likes just deduce, In my opinion

[majorhibs]

:not worth[QUOTE=et_hibby;6591880]Iggy, I very much agree with you about Mr Brazil. A good servant to Hibs.
He was 👍

Mebbes just me & my young perceiving everything mode at the time, but mebbes naw, benny, J T, A Sneddon, defo Hamilton, as I was in almost every crowd at every game, the number of times the crowd voiced their displeasure at certain players cos they were not at the standard of the team as a whole, & moves were broken down, possession lost goals conceded etc, as a youngster I remember certain players the crowd couldn’t take to, but none in my time surpassed the weekly disappointment dished out by mgr Millers love child B Hamilton.

PS anyone remember cup exit at tannadice due to Benny’s inexplicable hand baw? Or 85 pen shootout, he was #5 against tic to win?

[147lothian]

Agree, in fact I dont, the easily offended on here (and there are many) will be offended if they dont get a like, please dont turn this place into a version of Facebook, a boak inducing place that I detest. If you like a post say so, if you dislike a post then say, induce conversation, dont stifle it no matter whether yeah or nut. Forums and particularly this place have been going a long time because of dialogue, exchange of thoughts, its healthy, likes just deduce, In my opinion

Good post, an exchange of view's is healthy and the best way for folk to develop their opinion, this might offend some people, but there is nothing you can do about people looking to be offended, Let the I find that offensive types stick to facebook and twitter and keep with the open debates we have on this forum, anyway any news of any signings, potential or targets?

[brog]

Porteous will be a top player and people will want to retract some of the statements about him in years to come. I’ve never know why some people have to be so negative to a player especially one of our own, some of the criticism he’s came in for is embarrassing. Yea he’s made mistakes as have plenty others but these seem to totally overshadow the very good young player he is. To the point of outgrowing us, I’ve never seen him say this so not sure what that’s all about but one things for sure he will end up at a bigger club than ours before his career ends.

Great post! I am really so fed up with Hibs supporters constantly knocking young Hibs' players with top potential.

[Bridge hibs]

Good post, an exchange of view's is healthy and the best way for folk to develop their opinion, this might offend some people, but there is nothing you can do about people looking to be offended, Let the I find that offensive types stick to facebook and twitter and keep with the open debates we have on this forum, anyway any news of any signings, potential or targets?Ive read various forums for years, not too sure about like buttons but text speak does my napper in, lolz 🤭

[sean04]

Aberdeen signing a lad on loan from Brighton?

[Since452]

Aberdeen signing a lad on loan from Brighton?

We obviously said no 😉

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/reganhendry11/status/1403419965668184064?s=19

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[SHODAN]

https://twitter.com/reganhendry11/status/1403419965668184064?s=19

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Wonder if he has his next move lined up now.

[04Sauzee]

Wonder if he has his next move lined up now.

Lots of Raith fans seem to think it's Hibs and for some reason there are loads of Jambos reckon he's ER bound. No idea why.

[Aldo]

Lots of Raith fans seem to think it's Hibs and for some reason there are loads of Jambos reckon he's ER bound. No idea why.

Did I not read somewhere that Ipswich were sniffing about? Did or does his brother not play for them?


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[neil7908]

I can't see Kerr joining us. What would we offer him? He's just won the only 2 trophies we have a chance in, and will be playing in Europe with his current team in the upcoming season.

He'll get much more money down south or abroad. Unless he's a massive, massive Hibbie I think we've missed the boat on him.

[Since90+2]

I can't see Kerr joining us. What would we offer him? He's just won the only 2 trophies we have a chance in, and will be playing in Europe with his current team in the upcoming season.

He'll get much more money down south or abroad. Unless he's a massive, massive Hibbie I think we've missed the boat on him.

He'll earn more money whilst playing for a bigger team who also happens to the team who supports.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

We obviously said no 😉

Usually we show an interest and then Aberdeen sign them

[Unseen work]

I can't see Kerr joining us. What would we offer him? He's just won the only 2 trophies we have a chance in, and will be playing in Europe with his current team in the upcoming season.

He'll get much more money down south or abroad. Unless he's a massive, massive Hibbie I think we've missed the boat on him.

He is, or certainly was, a big Hibs fan.

I imagine when players get older though and are professionals they stop properly supporting teams etc especially when playing against them.

[Heisenberg]

I can't see Kerr joining us. What would we offer him? He's just won the only 2 trophies we have a chance in, and will be playing in Europe with his current team in the upcoming season.

He'll get much more money down south or abroad. Unless he's a massive, massive Hibbie I think we've missed the boat on him.

These are my thoughts too. I also don’t think we’d pay what St Johnstone would want.

[The Modfather]

These are my thoughts too. I also don’t think we’d pay what St Johnstone would want.

Wonder if we could sign someone on loan with a view to waiting until January to try and sign Kerr or sign him on a pre contract. If we have any interest at all of course.

[Highwayman]

Far more interested in Hibs pursuing a good young prospect like Reagan Hendry,than the pleading neediness on .net to bringing Leigh Griffiths home.

[Devonhibs]

Reagan Hendry? What position does he play?

[Dalianwanda]

Far more interested in Hibs pursuing a good young prospect like Reagan Hendry,than the pleading neediness on .net to bringing Leigh Griffiths home.

I wouldnt mind both :wink:

[calumhibee1]

Far more interested in Hibs pursuing a good young prospect like Reagan Hendry,than the pleading neediness on .net to bringing Leigh Griffiths home.

Not for me.

Leigh Griffiths or Reagan Hendry? No brainer for me.

[147lothian]

Not for me.

Leigh Griffiths or Reagan Hendry? No brainer for me.

Why does it have to be or? I think Regan Hendry is a midfielder

[Billy Whizz]

Why does it have to be or? I think Reagan Hendry is a midfielder

It’s Regan anyway😀

[CMurdoch]

It’s Regan anyway😀

The Sweeney, The Sweeney na na na na na na na na na

[hhibs]

I wouldnt mind both :wink:


That's the ticket !

[147lothian]

I wouldnt mind both :wink:

Nail, Head, Leigh Griffiths up front and a 23 year old who was in the championship team of the season has to improve our midfield

[Bridge hibs]

Nail, Head, Leigh Griffiths up front and a 23 year old who was in the championship team of the season has to improve our midfieldPlus the lad Mackay on the left and Boyle on the right