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SteveHFC
11-08-2021, 07:38 PM
There signings are really poor. They’ll be drifting closer and closer to being an Everton than a top four contender imo.

We won’t see Arsenal in European football anytime soon.

davhibby
11-08-2021, 08:38 PM
He’ll end up back at Aberdeen

Hibs could do worse

He’s nowhere near the level of either of our current strikers. We could and will do much better if we’re getting a striker in

CMurdoch
11-08-2021, 09:01 PM
He’ll end up back at Aberdeen

Hibs could do worse

He is only 6 months into a lucrative three and a half year contract. Won't be going anywhere for 2 seasons other than on loan. He is only 24 so could conceivably hit another gold scoring seam during a loan spell.

hibbysam
11-08-2021, 10:10 PM
He is only 6 months into a lucrative three and a half year contract. Won't be going anywhere for 2 seasons other than on loan. He is only 24 so could conceivably hit another gold scoring seam during a loan spell.

Am I right in saying he barely scored for a while before leaving? He had a decent 12 months I think but couldn’t hit a barn door when he arrived either… Aberdeen hit the jackpot with £2m for him.

BonnieFitbaTeam
11-08-2021, 10:34 PM
He’ll end up back at Aberdeen

Hibs could do worse

No they f*****g couldn’t [emoji15]

calumhibee1
12-08-2021, 06:09 AM
We won’t see Arsenal in European football anytime soon.

I reckon they’ll always be in and around the last European places in England, so the ECL etc but certainly won’t see them in the UCL.

hibbysam
12-08-2021, 07:02 AM
I reckon they’ll always be in and around the last European places in England, so the ECL etc but certainly won’t see them in the UCL.

Can’t believe they’re trying to sign Ramsdale for £10m more than they sold Martinez for last summer. Must be the worst bit of business in a long time if that goes through.

scoopyboy
12-08-2021, 07:05 AM
Can’t believe they’re trying to sign Ramsdale for £10m more than they sold Martinez for last summer. Must be the worst bit of business in a long time if that goes through.

Ramsdale must be worth a fortune due to two crazily high transfer fees.

Never seen the fascination.

jacomo
12-08-2021, 08:52 AM
Shankland confirmed away. Good luck to him.

Since452
12-08-2021, 08:56 AM
Shankland confirmed away. Good luck to him.

Messi joining PSG too :greengrin

hibbysam
12-08-2021, 09:11 AM
Ramsdale must be worth a fortune due to two crazily high transfer fees.

Never seen the fascination.

I think he’s brutal and a big reason Sheffield Utd failed last year, losing Henderson and replacing him with Ramsdale.

jacomo
12-08-2021, 09:15 AM
Messi joining PSG too :greengrin


Rely on me to bring you the big scoops.

BegbieHSC
12-08-2021, 04:52 PM
Bench could look better tonight…need more bodies in.

Wonder if there has been any progress with Mueller…

A cb is a must however - hopefully after their big game tonight, St J will be more open to selling one of Kerr and McCart.

Ozyhibby
12-08-2021, 04:57 PM
Messi joining PSG too :greengrin

Total chain reaction happening.


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Borderhibbie76
12-08-2021, 04:58 PM
Bench could look better tonight…need more bodies in.

Wonder if there has been any progress with Mueller…

A cb is a must however - hopefully after their big game tonight, St J will be more open to selling one of Kerr and McCart.

Bit annoyed looking at that bench tbh mate...massive opportunity for us tonight and a couple of injuries leaves is with nothing on that bench...really hope it doesn't cost us tonight but we are surely gonna need subs in that heat

bringbackbenny
12-08-2021, 05:01 PM
Bench could look better tonight…need more bodies in.

Wonder if there has been any progress with Mueller…

A cb is a must however - hopefully after their big game tonight, St J will be more open to selling one of Kerr and McCart.

I think a bit to go on that one. They still have the safety net of dropping into the conference playoffs if they go out on aggregate tonight

BILLYHIBS
12-08-2021, 05:14 PM
Chelsea announce Lakaku 97.5m from Inter Milan

BBC Sport

Callum_62
12-08-2021, 05:17 PM
Chelsea announce Lakaku 97.5m from Inter Milan

BBC SportThey are assembling a terrific squad

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04Sauzee
12-08-2021, 05:20 PM
They are assembling a terrific squad

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Looking at transfermrkt last night they had a bloated squad with 36 players listed , Lukaku making it 37. Absolutely crazy

Gaffer1875
12-08-2021, 07:56 PM
Get the check book out Ron - CB, RB and another striker is required and not just on the back of tonight’s result.


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Scooter
12-08-2021, 07:57 PM
Get the check book out Ron - CB, RB and another striker is required and not just on the back of tonight’s result.


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I think if anything and not being knee jerk. Tonight showed where we are short

Heisenberg
12-08-2021, 07:59 PM
We won’t sign a right back with Cadden coming back but McGinn has been so poor and will have, in my opinion, been dropped for him already if he was fit.

Centre half (maybe two based on just how bad McGregor was tonight) and another striker is all we’ll get I think.

GreenNWhiteArmy
12-08-2021, 08:11 PM
Hopefully tonight expedites the process of signing a CH

Go get Jason Kerr. Simple

RossScott1991
12-08-2021, 08:13 PM
A more exciting right back and another centre half badly needed

blackpoolhibs
12-08-2021, 08:14 PM
We won’t sign a right back with Cadden coming back but McGinn has been so poor and will have, in my opinion, been dropped for him already if he was fit.

Centre half (maybe two based on just how bad McGregor was tonight) and another striker is all we’ll get I think.
McGregor was not bad tonight, he got sent off when it was 1-1, he's a good deputy in league games, but we are not quite ready for Europe yet, especially with the amount of injuries we have at the moment.

Stuart93
12-08-2021, 08:35 PM
McGregor was not bad tonight, he got sent off when it was 1-1, he's a good deputy in league games, but we are not quite ready for Europe yet, especially with the amount of injuries we have at the moment.

When will we ever be ready for Europe though? It’s not as if it’s guaranteed every season & when we get there we always seem to be under prepared for it

BegbieHSC
12-08-2021, 08:41 PM
Hopefully tonight expedites the process of signing a CH

Go get Jason Kerr. Simple

Reckon the Saints will have a huge asking price for him now. Cup double winning captain, with goals against Galatasaray. Plus - the Saints might even end up in the Conference group stages, so unless we were willing to make him our highest earner, I don’t see what interest he’d have in coming sadly.

Borderhibbie76
12-08-2021, 08:41 PM
When will we ever be ready for Europe though? It’s not as if it’s guaranteed every season & when we get there we always seem to be under prepared for it

Exactly this its not the first time slow recruitment has seen us knocked out of Europe early in recent times...that bench was embarrassing tonight...literally nothing to change the game

Stuart93
12-08-2021, 08:48 PM
Exactly this its not the first time slow recruitment has seen us knocked out of Europe early in recent times...that bench was embarrassing tonight...literally nothing to change the game

Yep. People going on as if we’ll get another shot at it next season as easy as that. To finish 3rd after a long hard season last year to get into Europe then go into it under prepared is criminal.

BegbieHSC
12-08-2021, 08:49 PM
I see JR is lamenting our lack of depth on the defensive front as a cause for tonight. Seems to be calling on urgent action from the board.

Unseen work
12-08-2021, 08:58 PM
I wonder how much Ross is aiming at the board to how much he’s aiming at the recruit team/player identifier.

We want McCart and Kerr but we need to be reasonable about how much we spend. St Johnstone won both cups, had a tie against Galatasary and now still have a playoff for the conference group stages. To get either of them would cost a fortune.

I think we’re in a strong position financially though and Ron seems keen to put money into the club.

Andy74
12-08-2021, 09:02 PM
I see JR is lamenting our lack of depth on the defensive front as a cause for tonight. Seems to be calling on urgent action from the board.

Don’t think the board have much to do with it.

Ross is part of recruiting players. I think it was a comment that we still need more players. I don’t think he was blaming anyone for it. He will be well aware of targets and what stage they are at and why.

Borderhibbie76
12-08-2021, 09:08 PM
Seems like Doidge is out for sometime too...bad night all round.
Over to you Recruitment...some fingers need to pulled out of erchies pretty damn quick

jeffers
12-08-2021, 09:10 PM
I wonder how much Ross is aiming at the board to how much he’s aiming at the recruit team/player identifier.

We want McCart and Kerr but we need to be reasonable about how much we spend. St Johnstone won both cups, had a tie against Galatasary and now still have a playoff for the conference group stages. To get either of them would cost a fortune.

I think we’re in a strong position financially though and Ron seems keen to put money into the club.

I didn’t know we were after both McCart and Kerr. The latter I know we were linked with but didn’t know we’d actually made moves for him. I can’t help feel we were banking on selling Josh Doig and that has had an impact on our ability to bring in other players.

It’s maybe a discussion for another day, but I’m not convinced RG is keen to put money into the club. I think he’s keen to reinvest money we bring in back into the playing side though.

Heisenberg
12-08-2021, 09:12 PM
Doidge injury not looking that great according to JR. **** sake.

SteveHFC
12-08-2021, 09:21 PM
If we don’t get a centre-back and a striker in soon then the club will know that the fans won’t be happy.

JohnM1875
12-08-2021, 09:22 PM
If we don’t get a centre-back and a striker in soon then the club will know that the fans won’t be happy.

Might need two strikers if the Doidge injury is as bad as some folk are reporting.

04Sauzee
12-08-2021, 09:24 PM
Doidge injury not looking that great according to JR. **** sake.

Missed what he's been saying? Are we looking at weeks or months? Not good either way.

Borderhibbie76
12-08-2021, 09:25 PM
Missed what he's been saying? Are we looking at weeks or months? Not good either way.

Scan tomorrow but doesn't look good apparently mate

04Sauzee
12-08-2021, 09:31 PM
Scan tomorrow but doesn't look good apparently mate

Oh balls

Stuart93
12-08-2021, 09:33 PM
Not sure I’m looking forward to a season of one up front either if it’s to be Nisbet. He can’t play that role of a lone striker and it doesn’t suit his game imo.

jeffers
12-08-2021, 09:42 PM
Not sure I’m looking forward to a season of one up front either if it’s to be Nisbet. He can’t play that role of a lone striker and it doesn’t suit his game imo.

It doesn’t suit Doidge either.

Brightside
12-08-2021, 09:44 PM
Have we missed all our other games this season. Our football has been great with ONE up front. In reality it’s 4!

Stuart93
12-08-2021, 09:46 PM
It doesn’t suit Doidge either.

I actually thought doidge done really well there on Sunday albeit against Ross county.

eastmainsmsh
12-08-2021, 09:51 PM
Not sure I’m looking forward to a season of one up front either if it’s to be Nisbet. He can’t play that role of a lone striker and it doesn’t suit his game imo.

It’s annoying hope it changes when mueller comes in opposition defenders are on Nisbet or Doidge heels straight away

Ronniekirk
12-08-2021, 10:04 PM
Seems like Doidge is out for sometime too...bad night all round.
Over to you Recruitment...some fingers need to pulled out of erchies pretty damn quick

That’s a disaster ffs


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Nicho87
12-08-2021, 10:07 PM
Centre half
Right back
Centre forward

All required
That’s on the basis on keeping the main players

H18 SFR
12-08-2021, 10:12 PM
Just watched the St Johnstone highlights. Please watch them yourself, the St Johnstone central defenders were culpable at all 4 goals. Based on their showing tonight in a European game, then they are simply not the level we are aspiring to be at.

Stuart93
12-08-2021, 10:26 PM
Just watched the St Johnstone highlights. Please watch them yourself, the St Johnstone central defenders were culpable at all 4 goals. Based on their showing tonight in a European game, then they are simply not the level we are aspiring to be at.

Yet they’ll still be going further in Europe than us and our defenders? Galatassaray are easily multiple levels above that team we played tonight.

H18 SFR
12-08-2021, 10:33 PM
Yet they’ll still be going further in Europe than us and our defenders? Galatassaray are easily multiple levels above that team we played tonight.

Surely we are aspiring to win the cup and qualify for the Europa League rather than the Conference league?

Stuart93
12-08-2021, 11:04 PM
Surely we are aspiring to win the cup and qualify for the Europa League rather than the Conference league?

You mean win the cup like the St Johnstone defence helped them do last season?

H18 SFR
12-08-2021, 11:07 PM
You mean win the cup like the St Johnstone defence helped them do last season?

Perhaps we need better than them to make the impact we aspire to do in Europe.

Unseen work
12-08-2021, 11:07 PM
Centre half and striker then, who do we think we’ll be interested in?

Jason Kerr - St Johnstone
Liam Gordon - St Johnstone
Jamie McCart - St Johnstone

Greg Stewart - Rangers
Leigh Griffiths - Celtic
James Scott - Hull
Fraser Hornby - Stade De Reims
Ryan Hardie - Plymouth

Above all know the league and seem the type of signings we’d go for.

Obviously try and get Mueller in early too.

Anyone else or names mentioned?

I think the bulk of our squad is really good. We just need one or two to take us to the next level, whether that’s a young cocky player on loan from an English team with a point to prove like James Maddison at Aberdeen or a player we’ve never heard of that’s played at a high standard like the teams you play in Europe.

I’m hoping the recent guy we got in that knows the foreign leagues helps us with that. Rijeka showed there’s lots of quality over there.

Stuart93
12-08-2021, 11:15 PM
Centre half and striker then, who do we think we’ll be interested in?

Jason Kerr - St Johnstone
Liam Gordon - St Johnstone
Jamie McCart - St Johnstone

Greg Stewart - Rangers
Leigh Griffiths - Celtic
James Scott - Hull
Fraser Hornby - Stade De Reims
Ryan Hardie - Plymouth

Above all know the league and seem the type of signings we’d go for.

Obviously try and get Mueller in early too.

Anyone else or names mentioned?

I think the bulk of our squad is really good. We just need one or two to take us to the next level, whether that’s a young cocky player on loan from an English team with a point to prove like James Maddison at Aberdeen or a player we’ve never heard of that’s played at a high standard like the teams you play in Europe.

I’m hoping the recent guy we got in that knows the foreign leagues helps us with that. Rijeka showed there’s lots of quality over there.

I hope we get a few in because I feel very depressed tonight

Brightside
12-08-2021, 11:18 PM
You mean win the cup like the St Johnstone defence helped them do last season?

But we’d then have to play like them. They are very defensive. Play a back 5. Score mostly from set plays. We don’t need to change our style. Just need to change some of the players.

Callum_62
13-08-2021, 12:04 AM
But we’d then have to play like them. They are very defensive. Play a back 5. Score mostly from set plays. We don’t need to change our style. Just need to change some of the players.Which would be labelled as too boring to watch for Hibs

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USAHibee
13-08-2021, 12:54 AM
Just watched the St Johnstone highlights. Please watch them yourself, the St Johnstone central defenders were culpable at all 4 goals. Based on their showing tonight in a European game, then they are simply not the level we are aspiring to be at.

Just watched them over here, I agree wee should be more than happy with our defence, careful what you wish for

Borderhibbie76
13-08-2021, 06:50 AM
Amazing how one result and a couple of injuries change everything...I felt great walking out of ER on Sunday - but last night was an utter shambles - 2 injuries to key players - an embarrassment of a bench and having to rely on on 36 year old in 30 degree heat in Central defence. Mathie and the recruitment have really let us and our manager down big time

flash
13-08-2021, 06:53 AM
Amazing how one result and a couple of injuries change everything...I felt great walking out of ER on Sunday - but last night was an utter shambles - 2 injuries to key players - an embarrassment of a bench and having to rely on on 36 year old in 30 degree heat in Central defence. Mathie and the recruitment have really let us and our manager down big time
Can't wait for Sunday personally. We are playing a lot of exciting football just now and I am enjoying it.
Of course last night was disappointing but we have a lot to look forward to this season.

Borderhibbie76
13-08-2021, 06:56 AM
Can't wait for Sunday personally. We are playing a lot of exciting football just now and I am enjoying it.
Of course last night was disappointing but we have a lot to look forward to this season.

Not feeling quite so positive myself mate tbh - if as reported Doidge is out for months we are toiling up top - Nisbet can't play lone striker in this formation and we have no other options. The defence needs rebuilt - there seems to be a lot of work to do in the 2 remaining weeks of the transfer window - and that's without us losing anyone else either to injury or a transfer out

flash
13-08-2021, 06:59 AM
Not feeling quite so positive myself mate tbh - if as reported Doidge is out for months we are toiling up top - Nisbet can't play lone striker in this formation and we have no other options. The defence needs rebuilt - there seems to be a lot of work to do in the 2 remaining weeks of the transfer window - and that's without us losing anyone else either to injury or a transfer out

There is a lot of work to be done but that's quite exciting too as I love when we bring new faces in.
Defence needs tweaked not rebuilt for me. We just need more options as you say.

Borderhibbie76
13-08-2021, 07:01 AM
There is a lot of work to be done but that's quite exciting too as I love when we bring new faces in.
Defence needs tweaked not rebuilt for me. We just need more options as you say.

Guess mate I just feel a bit angry at a missed opportunity this morning and Mathie and recruitment have let us down by being far too slow off the mark - hopefully in 2 weeks time we will see its because they were waiting on the right targets but they've a lot to prove to us and I suspect the manager over the next 2 weeks. Judging by JR'S comments post match last night he also appears far from amused at the slow recruitment

flash
13-08-2021, 07:07 AM
Guess mate I just feel a bit angry at a missed opportunity this morning and Mathie and recruitment have let us down by being far too slow off the mark - hopefully in 2 weeks time we will see its because they were waiting on the right targets but they've a lot to prove to us and I suspect the manager over the next 2 weeks. Judging by JR'S comments post match last night he also appears far from amused at the slow recruitment

Yeah I got the impression he was angry about that too.

Iain G
13-08-2021, 07:08 AM
Amazing how one result and a couple of injuries change everything...I felt great walking out of ER on Sunday - but last night was an utter shambles - 2 injuries to key players - an embarrassment of a bench and having to rely on on 36 year old in 30 degree heat in Central defence. Mathie and the recruitment have really let us and our manager down big time

Embarrassment? We have lost 6 players to injury!

And the manager is a key part of the recruitment team at Hibs so guess he let himself down as well? Not sure why there is so much flak aimed at Mathie?

Potty78
13-08-2021, 07:49 AM
Our main target was obviously Macart from saints, now that deal was never close as they wanted more than we would be willing to pay. Surely then we must move on to another name on the target list? We have known for months that we needed a central defender and a striker but yet we are still looking. With Doidge out I'd perhaps look at getting Cosgrove on loan, knows the league and capable of scoring a few.

Callum_62
13-08-2021, 07:51 AM
Melamed signed for anyone?

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Potty78
13-08-2021, 07:53 AM
Our main target was obviously Macart from saints, now that deal was never close as they wanted more than we would be willing to pay. Surely then we must move on to another name on the target list? We have known for months that we needed a central defender and a striker but yet we are still looking. With Doidge out I'd perhaps look at getting Cosgrove on loan, knows the league and capable of scoring a few.
Oops just seen he signed for Shrewsbury Town🤦*♂️

hibbysam
13-08-2021, 07:57 AM
Embarrassment? We have lost 6 players to injury!

And the manager is a key part of the recruitment team at Hibs so guess he let himself down as well? Not sure why there is so much flak aimed at Mathie?

That doesn’t excuse having one realistic player on the bench (McKay) who could come on, the rest youngsters, defenders or sub keepers. The manager can’t sign players, if the sporting director doesn’t get criticism for this then he’s got a free reign. It’s abysmal planning when we knew we were short in those areas ages ago. We all knew we were a striker short, we knew we were centre half short, JR has been public about that. I said the other day I’d like a right back. We’ve got none of those!

jeffers
13-08-2021, 07:57 AM
I still think we were banking on selling Doig in this window to fund transfers. We’ve asked for too much and clubs are refusing to pay it. But had we got what we were looking for it would have given us to scope to bring in a better quality of player.

Heisenberg
13-08-2021, 07:58 AM
Our main target was obviously Macart from saints, now that deal was never close as they wanted more than we would be willing to pay. Surely then we must move on to another name on the target list? We have known for months that we needed a central defender and a striker but yet we are still looking. With Doidge out I'd perhaps look at getting Cosgrove on loan, knows the league and capable of scoring a few.

I think we are still trying to sign McCart, that’s the issue. From what I saw of him last night he wasn’t brilliant, albeit up against a good side. Wouldn’t break the bank for him to be honest.

EdinburghHibern
13-08-2021, 08:04 AM
Mathie needs to get to work!
We don't need any more midfielders!

Borderhibbie76
13-08-2021, 08:04 AM
Embarrassment? We have lost 6 players to injury!

And the manager is a key part of the recruitment team at Hibs so guess he let himself down as well? Not sure why there is so much flak aimed at Mathie?

Yes an embarrassment - Mathie has said all summer we needed a striker and a centre half and we still haven't signed either - we had nothing on our bench last night other than numbers with Gogic and Lewis the only experienced players - yes we have injuries but no more than others and its left us threadbare...so not good enough from Mathie and Recruitment - and JR looks as if he agrees going by his post match comments

Potty78
13-08-2021, 08:05 AM
I think we are still trying to sign McCart, that’s the issue. From what I saw of him last night he wasn’t brilliant, albeit up against a good side. Wouldn’t break the bank for him to be honest.

Not sure they'll sell as still in europe, maybe have to wait until they go out (again) not sure we have time though.

JimBHibees
13-08-2021, 08:14 AM
Yes an embarrassment - Mathie has said all summer we needed a striker and a centre half and we still haven't signed either - we had nothing on our bench last night other than numbers with Gogic and Lewis the only experienced players - yes we have injuries but no more than others and its left us threadbare...so not good enough from Mathie and Recruitment - and JR looks as if he agrees going by his post match comments

The window hasn't shut yet.

Potty78
13-08-2021, 08:19 AM
I still think we were banking on selling Doig in this window to fund transfers. We’ve asked for too much and clubs are refusing to pay it. But had we got what we were looking for it would have given us to scope to bring in a better quality of player.
Agreed, hopefully Doig will become a 5 million pound player but I'd be taking anything between 2-3 million to help improve our team now.

Borderhibbie76
13-08-2021, 08:26 AM
The window hasn't shut yet.

No but Europe is now over for us and we are 3 weeks into our season...if we don't get players in soon I'd argue the next few weeks are gonna be tricky with our mounting injuries and lack of cover

ian cruise
13-08-2021, 08:29 AM
I think we are still trying to sign McCart, that’s the issue. From what I saw of him last night he wasn’t brilliant, albeit up against a good side. Wouldn’t break the bank for him to be honest.

It's quite possible his agent has told us St Johnstone would only entertain offers after their European games and we gambled in waiting for our number one target rather than moving to our second or third choices.

Unfortunately it's backfired but if we brought in the third choice on the list and he was responsible for the important goal last night the criticism would have been we didn't support Ross in getting his first choice target (not saying you would have but many would just going by the current mood of the forum).

It's a lose lose when everyone is hurting after a loss. If the red card hadn't happened there's every chance we'd have gone through and the conversation would have been about getting the right players in instead of just getting someone in.

madhatter
13-08-2021, 08:30 AM
The window hasn't shut yet.

We are out of Europe though. What's the point qualifying for Europe if we routinely (when we do qualify) are short on playing staff?

Makes the whole thing Hibs are trying to achieve pretty much pointless tbh. Build strong enough squad to compete for top 4-5, get Europe, not be ready for it squad-wise and then drop out. All to begin the same endeavour again...

Getting past Rijeka would've been easier than winning the league cup or Scottish Cup. We didn't do it and now look to plan for a season pretty much mirroring our local rivals who have just been promoted. Hibs need to learn to push ahead on the playing field as much as they can.

Waiting to sell Doig seems to be what we've been doing and tbh it's a bit stupid. We're not going to sign a CB or ST for £2m each. Whoever we sign will be a small percentage of what we take in from a Doig sale.

Got the TVs coming in though.

JimBHibees
13-08-2021, 09:05 AM
We are out of Europe though. What's the point qualifying for Europe if we routinely (when we do qualify) are short on playing staff?

Makes the whole thing Hibs are trying to achieve pretty much pointless tbh. Build strong enough squad to compete for top 4-5, get Europe, not be ready for it squad-wise and then drop out. All to begin the same endeavour again...

Getting past Rijeka would've been easier than winning the league cup or Scottish Cup. We didn't do it and now look to plan for a season pretty much mirroring our local rivals who have just been promoted. Hibs need to learn to push ahead on the playing field as much as they can.

Waiting to sell Doig seems to be what we've been doing and tbh it's a bit stupid. We're not going to sign a CB or ST for £2m each. Whoever we sign will be a small percentage of what we take in from a Doig sale.

Got the TVs coming in though.

I think we should have won the tie even allowing for the injuries. Surely better to wait and get better quality than rush someone in that doesn't play much of a role going forward. A tricky balance I agree and the Doidge injury will likely mean 2 strikers are needed assuming KN doesn't leave.

Borderhibbie76
13-08-2021, 09:06 AM
I think we should have won the tie even allowing for the injuries. Surely better to wait and get better quality than rush someone in that doesn't play much of a role going forward. A tricky balance I agree and the Doidge injury will likely mean 2 strikers are needed assuming KN doesn't leave.

We surely won't sell KN now if Doidge is indeed out for months - that would be suicide

JimBHibees
13-08-2021, 09:07 AM
We surely won't sell KN now if Doidge is indeed out for months - that would be suicide

Certainly hope not.

calumhibee1
13-08-2021, 09:16 AM
We surely won't sell KN now if Doidge is indeed out for months - that would be suicide

If a decent bid comes in I’d still suspect he’ll be off.

If we were talking about someone like Doig then I’d agree. I don’t think Nisbet would be worth the hassle if we kb’d a move for him again.

SHODAN
13-08-2021, 09:32 AM
What's Derek Riordan up to?

HendoDelivered
13-08-2021, 09:33 AM
Too many folk been playing career mode on Fifa

GordonHFC
13-08-2021, 09:34 AM
Amazing how one result and a couple of injuries change everything...I felt great walking out of ER on Sunday - but last night was an utter shambles - 2 injuries to key players - an embarrassment of a bench and having to rely on on 36 year old in 30 degree heat in Central defence. Mathie and the recruitment have really let us and our manager down big time

I wouldn't completely blame Mathie and the recruitment team. Ross has turned down players put to him this summer so he has to take some of the blame.

GreenNWhiteArmy
13-08-2021, 09:42 AM
I wouldn't completely blame Mathie and the recruitment team. Ross has turned down players put to him this summer so he has to take some of the blame.

And what is said quality of these players JR has turned down? We don't want us just signing anyone. We want players that are equal to or better than the players we have

GordonHFC
13-08-2021, 09:47 AM
And what is said quality of these players JR has turned down? We don't want us just signing anyone. We want players that are equal to or better than the players we have

The recruitment team have a model to work to and put a lot of graft into finding the right players checking stats etc. If the manager just doesn't fancy a player what are they to do?

Since452
13-08-2021, 09:47 AM
I watched a bit of the St Johnstone game last night and really wasn't impressed with McCart. Looked like he was running with lead in his pockets. Not sure if he's any better than what we have. He was playing against good players admittedly.

H18 SFR
13-08-2021, 10:00 AM
I watched a bit of the St Johnstone game last night and really wasn't impressed with McCart. Looked like he was running with lead in his pockets. Not sure if he's any better than what we have. He was playing against good players admittedly.

I pointed this out last night and it wasn’t really well received. Seems McCart and Kerr are Maldini and Baresi on here in some’s eyes!

Smartie
13-08-2021, 10:00 AM
This thread has got an awful lot of heavy lifting to do over the next few weeks.

flash
13-08-2021, 10:04 AM
I watched a bit of the St Johnstone game last night and really wasn't impressed with McCart. Looked like he was running with lead in his pockets. Not sure if he's any better than what we have. He was playing against good players admittedly.

He isn't. Not sure any of the three of them are. They fit the system played. The problem is if we played like St J this place would go ballistic
Ps. Yes I am aware they won both cups but if they were playing in my back garden I would draw the curtains.

H18 SFR
13-08-2021, 10:04 AM
When does the window actually slam shut?

Smartie
13-08-2021, 10:05 AM
I wouldn't completely blame Mathie and the recruitment team. Ross has turned down players put to him this summer so he has to take some of the blame.

That does remind me a bit of the part in the Sunderland documentary where Jack Ross was clearly very uncomfortable with the idea of the club spending the money they intended to on Will Grigg.

Grigg was bought for millions, Sunderland are still in league one, Grigg has barely scored a goal for them and doesn't even get in their team when they play loads of reserves in the Diddy cup.

Ross demonstrated decent insight on that occasion and his transfer record whilst at Hibs has been very good.

I'm as frustrated as anyone at the way we got caught out unprepared last night, but we have to respect the fact that over the piece our recruitment process has generally been very good in recent years.

Just look at JDH - our most recent recruit has been little short of a revelation so far.

jacomo
13-08-2021, 10:13 AM
That doesn’t excuse having one realistic player on the bench (McKay) who could come on, the rest youngsters, defenders or sub keepers. The manager can’t sign players, if the sporting director doesn’t get criticism for this then he’s got a free reign. It’s abysmal planning when we knew we were short in those areas ages ago. We all knew we were a striker short, we knew we were centre half short, JR has been public about that. I said the other day I’d like a right back. We’ve got none of those!


Our bench looked very weak last night.

Josh Campbell coming on in the latter stages says it all. He seems to have little opportunity at Hibs, so even if it was about giving a young player experience because the tie was lost, it’s unlikely to be of any benefit to us.

Fergus52
13-08-2021, 10:18 AM
I pointed this out last night and it wasn’t really well received. Seems McCart and Kerr are Maldini and Baresi on here in some’s eyes!

Conceded far more goals than porteous and Hanlon last season as well. Which is completely overlooked as it doesn't fit the narrative

jeffers
13-08-2021, 10:20 AM
Conceded far more goals than porteous and Hanlon last season as well. Which is completely overlooked as it doesn't fit the narrative

Have many folk been raving about McCart ? Got to be honest and say I’m a bit meh about signing him, never particularly impressed me when I’ve seen them. Kerr I do like though.

Fergus52
13-08-2021, 10:21 AM
Have many folk been raving about McCart ? Got to be honest and say I’m a bit meh about signing him, never particularly impressed me when I’ve seen them. Kerr I do like though.

All summer there's been posters saying we should sign all 3 st Johnstone central defenders to replace Hanlon and porteous.

Since452
13-08-2021, 10:24 AM
That does remind me a bit of the part in the Sunderland documentary where Jack Ross was clearly very uncomfortable with the idea of the club spending the money they intended to on Will Grigg.

Grigg was bought for millions, Sunderland are still in league one, Grigg has barely scored a goal for them and doesn't even get in their team when they play loads of reserves in the Diddy cup.

Ross demonstrated decent insight on that occasion and his transfer record whilst at Hibs has been very good.

I'm as frustrated as anyone at the way we got caught out unprepared last night, but we have to respect the fact that over the piece our recruitment process has generally been very good in recent years.

Just look at JDH - our most recent recruit has been little short of a revelation so far.

Good point

JimBHibees
13-08-2021, 10:24 AM
When does the window actually slam shut?

End of the month

Since452
13-08-2021, 10:26 AM
Have many folk been raving about McCart ? Got to be honest and say I’m a bit meh about signing him, never particularly impressed me when I’ve seen them. Kerr I do like though.

Kerr was the one that stood out for me last night. Terrific. McCart looked slow and ponderous.

K-Zazu
13-08-2021, 10:28 AM
How much would Jason Kerr cost?

jeffers
13-08-2021, 10:32 AM
All summer there's been posters saying we should sign all 3 st Johnstone central defenders to replace Hanlon and porteous.

Have they been genuine though or throwaway comments on the back of St Johnstone beating us regularly ?

Bearders
13-08-2021, 10:32 AM
Just look at JDH - our most recent recruit has been little short of a revelation so far.[/QUOTE]

JDH does look a decent signing to be fair but I’m led to believe that JR went out on a limb to sign Drey Wright and the lad has barely featured and that’s not down to injury.

Smartie
13-08-2021, 10:36 AM
Just look at JDH - our most recent recruit has been little short of a revelation so far.

JDH does look a decent signing to be fair but I’m led to believe that JR went out on a limb to sign Drey Wright and the lad has barely featured and that’s not down to injury.[/QUOTE]

True.

But is Alex Ferguson's transfer record at Man Utd defined by William Prunier, Massimo Taibi or Ralph Milne?

I actually don't mind Wright and I thought we might have found a way to use him last night, but I realise that's not the general opinion of our support. It would be very hard for me too build a case for Wright having been a successful signing.

Mangers will get things wrong, even the best ones. As long as they don't get it wrong too often, that's ok.

hibbysam
13-08-2021, 10:46 AM
The recruitment team have a model to work to and put a lot of graft into finding the right players checking stats etc. If the manager just doesn't fancy a player what are they to do?

Find someone better? I could go to Ross and give him some names but wouldn’t expect him to be happy with them.

brog
13-08-2021, 10:48 AM
You mean win the cup like the St Johnstone defence helped them do last season?

The St J defence conceded 11 more league goals than we did last season.

madhatter
13-08-2021, 10:51 AM
The St J defence conceded 11 more league goals than we did last season.

Defence with what I presume we'd class as a worse midfield infront of it and a worse goalkeeper behind it?

Kerr would be a good signing. Just me but I'd sell Porteous and get Kerr. Porteous isn't learning, same mistakes over and over again.

brog
13-08-2021, 11:05 AM
Defence with what I presume we'd class as a worse midfield infront of it and a worse goalkeeper behind it?

Kerr would be a good signing. Just me but I'd sell Porteous and get Kerr. Porteous isn't learning, same mistakes over and over again.


Unfortunately it wasn't the (youngish) Porteous who let us down last night. He made 1 bad error 1st half but we got away with it. However we were let down greatly by the 2 older & experienced defenders. PM & DM. In the 1st half Rijeka hit 3 cross balls to the left winger who alway had time to bring the ball down & put in a cross. On the 4th occasion they scored, PM never adjusted his position to get nearer to the winger, possibly also a JR fault. From the moment Darren was booked he was an accident waiting to happen. His enthusiasm helped get us back in the game but personally I would have hooked him after we equalised.
Re recruitment, I would be happy with Kerr but not really interested in McCart. Disappointingly for some, Hanlon isn't going anywhere, thankfully IMO after last night. We can't play 2 left sided CB's so we should concentrate on a right sided CB as cover/replacement for Darren. Of course we could play a 3 with Josh as left sided CB.

Torto7
13-08-2021, 11:22 AM
Paok would be a brutal tie anyway. They have a budget far bigger than ours. Its a tricky one. Darren made a mistake and it cost us dearly. We were looking the more likely side prior to the mistake. I must admit though that hearing big Daz was starting didnt worry me. He's a good defender who made a mistake. The squads still in good nick bar another CH/forward. It annoys me the sheep have an easier draw despite finishing below us and if they get the extra revenue from the group stage then it makes things very difficult for us.

GordonHFC
13-08-2021, 11:22 AM
How much would Jason Kerr cost?

It's not the cost of buying him it's the salary he wants that's the issue.

Borderhibbie76
13-08-2021, 11:24 AM
[QUOTE=Torto7;6655459]Paok would be a brutal tie anyway. They have a budget far bigger than ours. Its a tricky one. Darren made a mistake and it cost us dearly. We were looking the more likely side prior to the mistake. I must admit though that hearing big Daz was starting didnt worry me. He's a good defender who made a mistake. The squads still in good nick bar another CH/forward. It annoys me the sheep have an easier draw despite finishing below us and if they get the extra revenue from the group stage then it makes things very difficult for us.[/QUOTE
Annoys me more that St J have another chance mate when we finished 3rd in league- don't really understand why cup winners get the better Euro place over a team that finishes 3rd over 38 league matches but hey ho

Potty78
13-08-2021, 11:26 AM
Paok would be a brutal tie anyway. They have a budget far bigger than ours. Its a tricky one. Darren made a mistake and it cost us dearly. We were looking the more likely side prior to the mistake. I must admit though that hearing big Daz was starting didnt worry me. He's a good defender who made a mistake. The squads still in good nick bar another CH/forward. It annoys me the sheep have an easier draw despite finishing below us and if they get the extra revenue from the group stage then it makes things very difficult for us.

I know what you're saying but Aberdeen making the groups may not be a bad thing. Thurs/sun games till xmas and there squad may struggle to deal with that. More dropped points hopefully and we aim for 3rd again. We just need to be better prepared if we make Europe next year

B.H.F.C
13-08-2021, 11:33 AM
I know what you're saying but Aberdeen making the groups may not be a bad thing. Thurs/sun games till xmas and there squad may struggle to deal with that. More dropped points hopefully and we aim for 3rd again. We just need to be better prepared if we make Europe next year

It would be a terrible thing. Would give them an even bigger financial advantage. Might help us get third but two teams that finished below us last year are still in Europe and we’re out so not sure how much that’s worth. Unless we find a way to be prepared in time for it coming round next year.

Hibs90
13-08-2021, 11:44 AM
Even before last night we definitely needed one other centre half, now we definitely need at least one with a bit of quality. Add to that we have needed another striker for over a year and still haven't brought anyone in. I'm fully aware Mueller is coming in January but we were under prepared for last nights game and it's cost us. I'm happy with the players that do come in, but we aren't half extremely slow about it. Yes, there's been a pandemic and things take time, but other teams with similar budgets are able to manage it, and there is no reason why we couldn't have went into last nights game with a different CH and another striker. Either the club weren't taking the games as that big of a deal and thought we could get by with an extremely thin squad or we've failed to prepare and that for me is down to recruitment. So a CH, ST and probably another ST if Doidge is out for months although Boyle can play upfront as we know. Also extremely concerned about the form of Paul McGinn this season but he seems undroppable in the managers eyes but I'd be looking at a new RB also.

MWHIBBIES
13-08-2021, 11:49 AM
Even before last night we definitely needed one other centre half, now we definitely need at least one with a bit of quality. Add to that we have needed another striker for over a year and still haven't brought anyone in. I'm fully aware Mueller is coming in January but we were under prepared for last nights game and it's cost us. I'm happy with the players that do come in, but we aren't half extremely slow about it. Yes, there's been a pandemic and things take time, but other teams with similar budgets are able to manage it, and there is no reason why we couldn't have went into last nights game with a different CH and another striker. Either the club weren't taking the games as that big of a deal and thought we could get by with an extremely thin squad or we've failed to prepare and that for me is down to recruitment. So a CH, ST and probably another ST if Doidge is out for months although Boyle can play upfront as we know. Also extremely concerned about the form of Paul McGinn this season but he seems undroppable in the managers eyes but I'd be looking at a new RB also.

Who exactly was he supposed to drop McGinn for? At no point since we signed McGinn had we had a better option for right back.

We needed a quality centre back in to push Hanlon and Porteous anyway, last night changed nothing.

We really don't need 2 or 3 strikers if we continue with 1 up front. We need 1 more anyway, and maybe a second on loan until January if Doidge is badly injured.

loanheadhibby
13-08-2021, 11:54 AM
Have many folk been raving about McCart ? Got to be honest and say I’m a bit meh about signing him, never particularly impressed me when I’ve seen them. Kerr I do like though.

Agreed, reeks a bit like the jumbos signing Halkett. He was meant to be a superstar but looks like a dumpling.

I suppose you have to take a leap of faith for any transfer.

EdinburghHibern
13-08-2021, 11:56 AM
The St J defence conceded 11 more league goals than we did last season.

But won both cups.

MWHIBBIES
13-08-2021, 12:01 PM
But won both cups.

Lewis must be good enough to start if that's all it takes.

Hibs90
13-08-2021, 12:09 PM
Who exactly was he supposed to drop McGinn for? At no point since we signed McGinn had we had a better option for right back.

We needed a quality centre back in to push Hanlon and Porteous anyway, last night changed nothing.

We really don't need 2 or 3 strikers if we continue with 1 up front. We need 1 more anyway, and maybe a second on loan until January if Doidge is badly injured.

That's my point really, if you want to progress in these competitions then as JR said we need depth and quality which we don't have. We should have had other options. Yes there is Cadden but he seems to injury prone. So we clearly need someone else.

Yes we did need another centre back and have done since Jackson left yet here we are over a year later and still without one. It took us a long time to get another DM in once Bartley and Milligan left and it was glaringly obvious that season.

We definitely need at least 1, and another if Doidge is out long term.

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1415057697704120327

superfurryhibby
13-08-2021, 12:12 PM
Even before last night we definitely needed one other centre half, now we definitely need at least one with a bit of quality. Add to that we have needed another striker for over a year and still haven't brought anyone in. I'm fully aware Mueller is coming in January but we were under prepared for last nights game and it's cost us. I'm happy with the players that do come in, but we aren't half extremely slow about it. Yes, there's been a pandemic and things take time, but other teams with similar budgets are able to manage it, and there is no reason why we couldn't have went into last nights game with a different CH and another striker. Either the club weren't taking the games as that big of a deal and thought we could get by with an extremely thin squad or we've failed to prepare and that for me is down to recruitment. So a CH, ST and probably another ST if Doidge is out for months although Boyle can play upfront as we know. Also extremely concerned about the form of Paul McGinn this season but he seems undroppable in the managers eyes but I'd be looking at a new RB also.

Where does the money coming from to fund this?

On the one hand people moaned about the price of the game v Killie, on the other we desperately need more players in.

We have an alternative at right back in Cadden, unfortunately he's injured. I do agree that McGinn's form is a concern. I've never been a huge fan of his anyway, seeing him as no more than average.

Brightside
13-08-2021, 12:12 PM
But won both cups.

Playing football in a style that would have this forum in a breakdown.

Hibs90
13-08-2021, 12:15 PM
Where does the money coming from to fund this?

On the one hand people (like you) moaned about the price of the game v Killie, on the other we desperately need more players in.

We have an alternative at right back in Cadden, unfortunately he's injured. I do agree that McGinn's form is a concern. I've never been a huge fan of his anyway, seeing him as no more than average.

I didn't moan about the price of the Killie game.

rodhibs55
13-08-2021, 12:23 PM
Conceded far more goals than porteous and Hanlon last season as well. Which is completely overlooked as it doesn't fit the narrative

Also don't recall any of the StJ boys being involved or talked about in the Scotland set up. Not heard of any £1m plus bids coming in or being talked about for them either. Quite simply, they are not as good as Porto or Paul.

superfurryhibby
13-08-2021, 12:30 PM
I didn't moan about the price of the Killie game.

Apologies, it was someone with a name not so far removed from your own.

EdinburghHibern
13-08-2021, 12:44 PM
Playing football in a style that would have this forum in a breakdown.

Can you imagine if St Johnstone win a cup this season? I think this forum would break.

chippy
13-08-2021, 01:10 PM
Also don't recall any of the StJ boys being involved or talked about in the Scotland set up. Not heard of any £1m plus bids coming in or being talked about for them either. Quite simply, they are not as good as Porto or Paul.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kerr get a call up soon, better to sign him before that. Big attacking threat too.

Crab apple
13-08-2021, 01:24 PM
Also don't recall any of the StJ boys being involved or talked about in the Scotland set up. Not heard of any £1m plus bids coming in or being talked about for them either. Quite simply, they are not as good as Porto or Paul.

I've said before that I've never been a big Paul Hanlon fan but his stats last year were amongst the best in the league and better than both McCart and Kerr of St J. We do need a couple of new quality bodies in as when our first eleven is hit by injuries or suspensions we will struggle.

Fergus52
13-08-2021, 01:28 PM
It would be a terrible thing. Would give them an even bigger financial advantage. Might help us get third but two teams that finished below us last year are still in Europe and we’re out so not sure how much that’s worth. Unless we find a way to be prepared in time for it coming round next year.

Third will get us guaranteed group stage football if one of the old firm win the cup this season.

In this hypothetical scenario that would then cancel out the financial advantage Aberdeen gained this season if they made the groups, as we'd have that money guaranteed next season.

Ronniekirk
13-08-2021, 02:04 PM
I still think we were banking on selling Doig in this window to fund transfers. We’ve asked for too much and clubs are refusing to pay it. But had we got what we were looking for it would have given us to scope to bring in a better quality of player.

That may be true but Ron Gordon has repeatedly said we don’t need to sell players If signing new players was dependent on someone going would rather they were honest about that
It from appearing to be in a very good position we suddenly found a bench last night that you knew we couldn’t go to to change the game much
Daz was never going to last 90 minutes in that heat and we have k own fir months thst sn injury time a centre hslf or striker would leave us struggling and is what happened last night
How we now bounce back v Killie is crucial


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jeffers
13-08-2021, 02:29 PM
That may be true but Ron Gordon has repeatedly said we don’t need to sell players If signing new players was dependent on someone going would rather they were honest about that
It from appearing to be in a very good position we suddenly found a bench last night that you knew we couldn’t go to to change the game much
Daz was never going to last 90 minutes in that heat and we have k own fir months thst sn injury time a centre hslf or striker would leave us struggling and is what happened last night
How we now bounce back v Killie is crucial


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I get that, but from the previous chat from Ross and him dropping Doig it would appear we thought he was going and the price being quoted could have a big impact on who we actually sign. Though given what I heard I’m really surprised we did think he was leaving.

brog
13-08-2021, 02:52 PM
But won both cups.

Yes we know! That's what I was responding to! The only stats that can be directly compared are league results & over the 2021 league programme St J conceded 11 (31%) more league goals than we did. Why would we be looking to sign, en masse, (or even individually, though I like Kerr) a defence which is significantly worse than ours?

Heisenberg
13-08-2021, 03:01 PM
Yes we know! That's what I was responding to! The only stats that can be directly compared are league results & over the 2021 league programme St J conceded 11 (31%) more league goals than we did. Why would we be looking to sign, en masse, (or even individually, though I like Kerr) a defence which is significantly worse than ours?

Stick them in a five at the back with two defensive midfielders in front of them and they’d do a job, as shown in the cup runs. McCart/Kerr will be extremely pricey and there’s no guarantee either would perform in a back four for us, especially without the added protection in front of them.

Iggy Pope
13-08-2021, 03:13 PM
St Johnstone. FFS.

On Sunday night we were motoring along on here about our performance our general play and our squad. Mikey Stewart said last week (I know) that we had more depth than Aberdeen! Last night was a setback and so is Doidge’s injury (if as bad as the rumours suggest) but the club cannot spend money they don’t have. Whose money is this they are supposed to splash out? HSL? If so then a few thousand more need to start shutting the **** up and begin contributing.
Great that we sold so many Seasons last year in the lockdown before anyone starts, but a Season Ticket is another pledge to keep our club trading it’s not all about paying to watch a game of football and as far as I know, outside of those pledges Hibs didn’t have much coming in. Give them a break.

Since452
13-08-2021, 03:35 PM
St Johnstone. FFS.

On Sunday night we were motoring along on here about our performance our general play and our squad. Mikey Stewart said last week (I know) that we had more depth than Aberdeen! Last night was a setback and so is Doidge’s injury (if as bad as the rumours suggest) but the club cannot spend money they don’t have. Whose money is this they are supposed to splash out? HSL? If so then a few thousand more need to start shutting the **** up and begin contributing.
Great that we sold so many Seasons last year in the lockdown before anyone starts, but a Season Ticket is another pledge to keep our club trading it’s not all about paying to watch a game of football and as far as I know, outside of those pledges Hibs didn’t have much coming in. Give them a break.

We're only ever one game away from a Hibs.net meltdown

04Sauzee
13-08-2021, 03:43 PM
Dundee Utd ⬇️

✍️ We are thrilled to announce that striker Marc McNulty has returned to the club on a season-long loan from Reading, subject to international clearance.

🗣 "I really enjoyed my time here last season, I'm buzzing to be back."

#UnitedTogether

Iggy Pope
13-08-2021, 04:01 PM
We're only ever one game away from a Hibs.net meltdown

Or even 20 mins

jeffers
13-08-2021, 04:04 PM
Dundee Utd ⬇️

✍️ We are thrilled to announce that striker Marc McNulty has returned to the club on a season-long loan from Reading, subject to international clearance.

🗣 "I really enjoyed my time here last season, I'm buzzing to be back."

#UnitedTogether

I’d have liked McNulty back. Still think he’s a really decent player.

Juice-Terry
13-08-2021, 04:07 PM
I’d have liked McNulty back. Still think he’s a really decent player.
Me anaw.

MikeyS
13-08-2021, 04:27 PM
I’d have liked McNulty back. Still think he’s a really decent player.

Would've been a decent now that Doidge looks like a bad injury. Pics on twitter today of him on a mobility scooter in Asda! Crutches in hand too! 🤦🏻*♂️

Since452
13-08-2021, 04:44 PM
I’d have liked McNulty back. Still think he’s a really decent player.

Thought he was a liability with us last time

brog
13-08-2021, 04:53 PM
Stick them in a five at the back with two defensive midfielders in front of them and they’d do a job, as shown in the cup runs. McCart/Kerr will be extremely pricey and there’s no guarantee either would perform in a back four for us, especially without the added protection in front of them.

That's exactly right. I saw Davidson before the game on TV when he said St Js tactics would be 'to be tough to break down.' A Hibs manager coming out with that would be (rightly IMO) hounded.

hibbysam
13-08-2021, 04:54 PM
That's exactly right. I saw Davidson before the game on TV when he said St Js tactics would be 'to be tough to break down.' A Hibs manager coming out with that would be (rightly IMO) hounded.

Against Galatasaray? I’d be expecting more of a hounding if he said he was going to come out wide open and try and play them off the park. There’s levels and we are miles below them. St Johnstone even more so.

jeffers
13-08-2021, 05:00 PM
Thought he was a liability with us last time

Wasn’t as good as in his first spell but still think there’s a player in there. Showed against Aberdeen in the cup that he still has a lot to offer.

brog
13-08-2021, 05:03 PM
Against Galatasaray? I’d be expecting more of a hounding if he said he was going to come out wide open and try and play them off the park. There’s levels and we are miles below them. St Johnstone even more so.

You don't have to go to the opposite extreme! He could have just been more coy and sensible. Any Hibs manager saying that would be denounced as negative, pessimistic etc.

Stuart93
13-08-2021, 05:04 PM
Would've been a decent now that Doidge looks like a bad injury. Pics on twitter today of him on a mobility scooter in Asda! Crutches in hand too! 🤦🏻*♂️

Just seen that. Doesn’t look good at all. Could be his season over before its began.

MikeyS
13-08-2021, 05:08 PM
Just seen that. Doesn’t look good at all. Could be his season over before its began.

Hard to tell exactly what it is from that pic so it could be just crutches as a precaution but it certainly highlights our need for another forward and to try bring Mueller in now of we can.

Hibs90
13-08-2021, 05:11 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8rtnotWEAAuceF?format=jpg&name=900x900

Stuart93
13-08-2021, 05:13 PM
Hard to tell exactly what it is from that pic so it could be just crutches as a precaution but it certainly highlights our need for another forward and to try bring Mueller in now of we can.

Aye I agree. To be honest we’ve been pretty lucky past few season with injuries to any strikers. That’s unfortunately ran out

CMurdoch
13-08-2021, 05:15 PM
Hard to tell exactly what it is from that pic so it could be just crutches as a precaution but it certainly highlights our need for another forward and to try bring Mueller in now of we can.

Cast on his right foot and ankle in the pic

MikeyS
13-08-2021, 05:19 PM
Cast on his right foot and ankle in the pic

Could just be his sock showing through the moon boot. Those are given out for more than just breaks these days.🤞🏻🤞🏻

HUTCHYHIBBY
13-08-2021, 05:25 PM
Too many folk been playing career mode on Fifa

It's a football fans forum, you tend to find that these are the sort of things that get discussed.

Iain G
13-08-2021, 06:42 PM
Just seen that. Doesn’t look good at all. Could be his season over before its began.

How much are we paying him? Surely he can afford Sainsbury's at least! 😁

Iggy Pope
13-08-2021, 07:54 PM
You’d think a Centre Forward on his £gazillions (assumed c/o on here) would just get back from Croatia in the dusk with his sore leg, and ankles maybe , but avoid getting in a mobility scooter once back and would just get his messages on to a list and have them delivered by some ****. Especially as he once got slated in Asda when he was ***** back then, by someone spotting him having the temerity to buy a bottle of wine. After not beating Alloa 10 nowt or something.

H18 SFR
13-08-2021, 07:57 PM
You’d think a Centre Forward on his £gazillions (assumed c/o on here) would just get back from Croatia in the dusk with his sore leg, and ankles maybe , but avoid getting in a mobility scooter once back and would just get his messages on to a list and have them delivered by some ****. Especially as he once got slated in Asda when he was ***** back then, by someone spotting him having the temerity to buy a bottle of wine. After not beating Alloa 10 nowt or something.

Doidge going to the supermarket shouldn’t really bother you this much.

HoboHarry
13-08-2021, 07:59 PM
You’d think a Centre Forward on his £gazillions (assumed c/o on here) would just get back from Croatia in the dusk with his sore leg, and ankles maybe , but avoid getting in a mobility scooter once back and would just get his messages on to a list and have them delivered by some ****. Especially as he once got slated in Asda when he was ***** back then, by someone spotting him having the temerity to buy a bottle of wine. After not beating Alloa 10 nowt or something.

I honestly dont know if you are joking or not.

Iggy Pope
13-08-2021, 08:01 PM
Doidge going to the supermarket shouldn’t really bother you this much.

It doesn’t. Shame to have to explain it but it bothered dozens on here not long ago and it appears to be bothering folk again to the extent his photo is on this thread. Crap stuff.

Iggy Pope
13-08-2021, 08:05 PM
I honestly dont know if you are joking or not.

Aw man. You don’t remember him getting battered on here for buying a bottle of wine in a supermarket one night after a ***** result when he didn’t end up on crutches ? You honestly think I’m serious. Trump has done you folks more damage than I thought..

Iggy Pope
13-08-2021, 08:06 PM
How much are we paying him? Surely he can afford Sainsbury's at least! 😁

I honestly don’t know if you’re joking or not.

J-C
13-08-2021, 08:10 PM
It doesn’t. Shame to have to explain it but it bothered dozens on here not long ago and it appears to be bothering folk again to the extent his photo is on this thread. Crap stuff.


I think the pic was posted to show how bad the injury he has is and not having a go at him, I think he has a flat down that way hence he's in Asda a lot.

Torto7
13-08-2021, 08:13 PM
That relationship with Brighton could come in handy for a short term loan.

Iggy Pope
13-08-2021, 08:15 PM
I think the pic was posted to show how bad the injury he has is and not having a go at him, I think he has a flat down that way hence he's in Asda a lot.

I know. If I could be arsed I’d find the exact bottle of wine thread. I’m not having a go at him either. Doubt very much I’d have sneaked a photo of him either. It’s hardly a cheery selfie is it? It’s ****.

CMurdoch
13-08-2021, 08:20 PM
You’d think a Centre Forward on his £gazillions (assumed c/o on here) would just get back from Croatia in the dusk with his sore leg, and ankles maybe , but avoid getting in a mobility scooter once back and would just get his messages on to a list and have them delivered by some ****. Especially as he once got slated in Asda when he was ***** back then, by someone spotting him having the temerity to buy a bottle of wine. After not beating Alloa 10 nowt or something.

:greengrin That's great Iggy

I'm all lost in the supermarket
I can no longer shop happily
I came in here for that special offer
A guaranteed personality

cabbageandribs1875
13-08-2021, 08:40 PM
newcastle sign some dude willock from arsenal for £20m on a SIX year contract

Gmack7
13-08-2021, 08:44 PM
newcastle sign some dude willock from arsenal for £20m on a SIX year contract

He should be playing for the Gooners tonight, total powder puff upfront

MikeyS
13-08-2021, 08:45 PM
I know. If I could be arsed I’d find the exact bottle of wine thread. I’m not having a go at him either. Doubt very much I’d have sneaked a photo of him either. It’s hardly a cheery selfie is it? It’s ****.

The picture in question was taken by his partner and posted on their social media so it's hardly as if a fan his taken a sneaky secretive snap of him. Very much like his champagne pics after the final, I'm sure he is happy for his Mrs to post them.

cabbageandribs1875
13-08-2021, 08:46 PM
He should be playing for the Gooners tonight, total powder puff upfront


it's the length of contract i'm staggered at, the late Jim Mclean would be proud of that one :)

Iggy Pope
13-08-2021, 09:22 PM
The picture in question was taken by his partner and posted on their social media so it's hardly as if a fan his taken a sneaky secretive snap of him. Very much like his champagne pics after the final, I'm sure he is happy for his Mrs to post them.

Just to be clear.

I don’t follow all the Twitter stuff and he doesn’t look like it’s a happy snap to him does it. Reposting it still looks like ***** even if he is happy.

I’m not talking about the champagne final stuff I wasn’t interested in the slightest. Even then.
I’m talking about a post on here that happened two years back maybe, when he was struggling to buy a goal but had the brass neck to be out in the supermarket later that night and had the sheer audacity about him to buy a bottle of wine. Probably the same supermarket.

Now we get a photo of him in Asda on a mobility scooter.

****s sake. Hibs.nets gonna be a tenner worse off soon if this crap continues.

04Sauzee
13-08-2021, 09:25 PM
That relationship with Brighton could come in handy for a short term loan.

Not even sure what players they have that we would be able to loan? Not sure what Defenders/forwards they have that we could get that would make us better.

Eyrie
13-08-2021, 10:07 PM
:greengrin That's great Iggy

I'm all lost in the supermarket
I can no longer shop happily
I came in here for that special offer
A guaranteed personality

:thumbsup:

WhileTheChief..
13-08-2021, 10:19 PM
Just to be clear.

I don’t follow all the Twitter stuff and he doesn’t look like it’s a happy snap to him does it. Reposting it still looks like ***** even if he is happy.

I’m not talking about the champagne final stuff I wasn’t interested in the slightest. Even then.
I’m talking about a post on here that happened two years back maybe, when he was struggling to buy a goal but had the brass neck to be out in the supermarket later that night and had the sheer audacity about him to buy a bottle of wine. Probably the same supermarket.

Now we get a photo of him in Asda on a mobility scooter.

****s sake. Hibs.nets gonna be a tenner worse off soon if this crap continues.

Can't believe you had to explain yourself :faf:

I think most of us realised you taking the P.

Smartie
13-08-2021, 10:33 PM
Has ASDA Newhaven replaced George Street as the place Hibs players shouldn't set foot for all the bloody bother it causes them?

matty_f
13-08-2021, 10:34 PM
Just to be clear.

I don’t follow all the Twitter stuff and he doesn’t look like it’s a happy snap to him does it. Reposting it still looks like ***** even if he is happy.

I’m not talking about the champagne final stuff I wasn’t interested in the slightest. Even then.
I’m talking about a post on here that happened two years back maybe, when he was struggling to buy a goal but had the brass neck to be out in the supermarket later that night and had the sheer audacity about him to buy a bottle of wine. Probably the same supermarket.

Now we get a photo of him in Asda on a mobility scooter.

****s sake. Hibs.nets gonna be a tenner worse off soon if this crap continues.
I remember the wine post and who posted it but it would be bad form to name them. :greengrin

Block
13-08-2021, 10:37 PM
I know. If I could be arsed I’d find the exact bottle of wine thread. I’m not having a go at him either. Doubt very much I’d have sneaked a photo of him either. It’s hardly a cheery selfie is it? It’s ****.

Wullie Jamieson.

neil7908
13-08-2021, 10:40 PM
Has ASDA Newhaven replaced George Street as the place Hibs players shouldn't set foot for all the bloody bother it causes them?

Yup. With what these guys are earning surely they can afford Waitrose! Even Sainsbury’s would be acceptable 😂

FitbaFolkKen
13-08-2021, 11:26 PM
Yup. With what these guys are earning surely they can afford Waitrose! Even Sainsbury’s would be acceptable [emoji23]

Don’t think you get those candles in Waitrose though.


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SteveHFC
13-08-2021, 11:33 PM
There have been a few classless posts across here and social media since Thursday night but someone taking that photo of Doidge in the supermarket tops the lot.

Get a life and show some class.

It was his girlfriend that posted that.

keep the faith
13-08-2021, 11:59 PM
It was his girlfriend that posted that.

That makes me feel better. Thought someone had papped him in in the shop.

Will take my post down, as if it was a consented pic then thats different.

Iain G
14-08-2021, 06:04 AM
Don’t think you get those candles in Waitrose though.


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Four candles?

Hibby70
14-08-2021, 06:26 AM
Four candles?

No, handles for forks

SHODAN
14-08-2021, 07:12 AM
Get a bid in for Cummings.

ajf
14-08-2021, 07:30 AM
That relationship with Brighton could come in handy for a short term loan.

Doubt Brighton would take him like that

ozhibs
14-08-2021, 07:34 AM
Get a bid in for Cummings.

Not a bad suggestion, I saw a video of him this season against St Mirren I think and he looked the business

GGTTH

Greenworld
14-08-2021, 07:35 AM
I have a feeling the asking price for Doig will drop to a more realistic level and he will move on. The money will then let hibs bring in players the need..center back...right back ...center forward..left back..
4 players we need .
Louis can still do a job but the fact is our back line as we have known for a good while needs strengthining.
You could say its been bad planning to let it get to this stage.

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Iain G
14-08-2021, 07:45 AM
Not a bad suggestion, I saw a video of him this season against St Mirren I think and he looked the business

GGTTH

A very backwards move for Hibs, he is a limited player and really not good enough for where we want to go.

We will have targets and players in mind, would be surprised if Cummings is anywhere near that list.

southern hibby
14-08-2021, 07:50 AM
I’ve said in a previous post that I don’t think Hanlon should be captain and should concentrate on his own game and not everyone else’s. I’d like to point out now I think Hanlon is a good player and we are lucky to have him, however if he was to cut out silly mistakes then maybe he
Would be an exceptional player for us.

For the folk saying Hanlon had a great season last year he did. So did The 2 CH’s at St J. We also had McGinn doing great at RB. However has anyone considered that maybe this is because we had no fans at the games?

Ive never played the game except in the park. Can’t kick a ball to
Save my life but I do watch football and believe this season already our back line looks shaky. Do fans at games add that much pressure onto the players that can result in silly mistakes? Or could it be that because there is no real competition for places certain players don’t try as hard?

It’s obviously we need to strengthen and more so at the back. I don’t know how it will be addressed by Hibs but if the get the correct players in we could have an outstanding season.

GGTTH

Iain G
14-08-2021, 07:55 AM
I’ve said in a previous post that I don’t think Hanlon should be captain and should concentrate on his own game and not everyone else’s. I’d like to point out now I think Hanlon is a good player and we are lucky to have him, however if he was to cut out silly mistakes then maybe he
Would be an exceptional player for us.

For the folk saying Hanlon had a great season last year he did. So did The 2 CH’s at St J. We also had McGinn doing great at RB. However has anyone considered that maybe this is because we had no fans at the games?

Ive never played the game except in the park. Can’t kick a ball to
Save my life but I do watch football and believe this season already our back line looks shaky. Do fans at games add that much pressure onto the players that can result in silly mistakes? Or could it be that because there is no real competition for places certain players don’t try as hard?

It’s obviously we need to strengthen and more so at the back. I don’t know how it will be addressed by Hibs but if the get the correct players in we could have an outstanding season.

GGTTH

Just my random thoughts but we have a defence that works better in a 3 at the back and a forward line that works best with wingers, the two don't match in a formation so we either go with our best attacking option or our best defensive option, which sacrafices our wide attackers in favour of wing backs.

It's a hard balance but we have two very good parts of a team, now with a good base in the 3 man midfield, that don't actually work together in any formation.

jeffers
14-08-2021, 09:00 AM
I’d take Cummings back too, though he’s another who isn’t best suited to playing as a lone striker. If we bring someone else in I hope they can play that role.

Nicho87
14-08-2021, 09:02 AM
I’d take Cummings back in a heart beat

Scores goals
Will get more chances in our team
Likes a goal against hearts
God forbid a player with a bit personality
Still young

More positives than negatives

flash
14-08-2021, 09:34 AM
We all have favourite players we would love back.
Mine is John McGinn.
Cummings, not so much.

flash
14-08-2021, 09:38 AM
I’d take Cummings back in a heart beat

Scores goals
Will get more chances in our team
Likes a goal against hearts
God forbid a player with a bit personality
Still young

More positives than negatives

Strange post. Boyle is hardly lacking in personality.

Iain G
14-08-2021, 09:57 AM
I’d take Cummings back in a heart beat

Scores goals
Will get more chances in our team
Likes a goal against hearts
God forbid a player with a bit personality
Still young

More positives than negatives

Green tinted specs on here I think, been a long time since he regularly scored goals and someone being a bam hardly makes them have personality.

Heisenberg
14-08-2021, 09:59 AM
Strange post. Boyle is hardly lacking in personality.

Exactly. Porteous too. We’ve got plenty in the squad who aren’t the quiet type.

CorrieHibs
14-08-2021, 10:05 AM
[QUOTE=Nicho87;6656428]I’d take Cummings back in a heart beat

Scores goals
Will get more chances in our team
Likes a goal against hearts
God forbid a player with a bit personality
Still young

More positives than negatives[/QUO

Remind me how many goals Cummings has scored in the Scottish Premiership?

Clarence
14-08-2021, 10:10 AM
I don’t think that Jack Ross would want Cum Dog in his team. Don’t think he’d want the hassle.

Hibs90
14-08-2021, 10:11 AM
I'd take Cummings in the squad for sure. Not as a regular starter though.

04Sauzee
14-08-2021, 10:11 AM
Green tinted specs on here I think, been a long time since he regularly scored goals and someone being a bam hardly makes them have personality.

I'm not one for bringing Cummings back but it's something like 12 goals in his last 22 appearances.

It's still a no from me.

Jones28
14-08-2021, 10:12 AM
I’d have certainly taken him in January, now that he’d command a fee probably not.

J-C
14-08-2021, 10:22 AM
I have a feeling the asking price for Doig will drop to a more realistic level and he will move on. The money will then let hibs bring in players the need..center back...right back ...center forward..left back..
4 players we need .
Louis can still do a job but the fact is our back line as we have known for a good while needs strengthining.
You could say its been bad planning to let it get to this stage.

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Doig has a lot of potential, still very raw and learning and Thursday showed us how raw he is. Is he worth £5m, maybe not and we may be pricing ourselves out the sale, £3m with add ons would be a more realistic figure for him right now.

calumhibee1
14-08-2021, 10:30 AM
Green tinted specs on here I think, been a long time since he regularly scored goals and someone being a bam hardly makes them have personality.

He’s also got an incredible level of confidence in his ability. Something that’s worth it’s weight in gold in football and something which I feel like a lot of the young players we bring through seem to sorely lack.

Smartie
14-08-2021, 10:38 AM
He’s also got an incredible level of confidence in his ability. Something that’s worth it’s weight in gold in football and something which I feel like a lot of the young players we bring through seem to sorely lack.

See the "big games" thing? I think it's got a lot to do with a shortage of players with the type of character/ confidence that Cummings has. It might be mildly delusional, but he never had any doubts about his ability to come up against players of bigger reputation - and as a result ended up with a great record in those games and looking very much like he belonged at that level. He was actually poorer when it came to playing weaker teams.

The main thing I think we lack at times is that weird X factor thing that Cummings had (has?) in abundance.

I'd snap him up in a second if he were free and available but I'm not sure I'd be paying much of a fee.

But he has an awful lot of what we are lacking imo, even when keeping eyes wide open to his limitations as a player.

He's another one that struggles in a pair btw - and I'm not sure I've ever seen him strike up what I'd call a great partnership with anyone, although I reckon he'd look pretty good with Doidge.

jacomo
14-08-2021, 10:47 AM
Doig has a lot of potential, still very raw and learning and Thursday showed us how raw he is. Is he worth £5m, maybe not and we may be pricing ourselves out the sale, £3m with add ons would be a more realistic figure for him right now.


As we get closer to the transfer window SLAMMING SHUT I’d have thought the price should be going up not down.

Replacing Josh will be difficult, I’d be delighted to keep him for another season (unless we really are in the position where we can’t strengthen elsewhere until he goes, which would be worrying).

AliboyFC
14-08-2021, 10:50 AM
Get Andy Carroll in for free. He'll do well in the spfl.

jacomo
14-08-2021, 10:58 AM
Get Andy Carroll in for free. He'll do well in the spfl.


He would. How many games do you think we’d get out of him? 5?

He’s got an atrocious injury record.

neil7908
14-08-2021, 11:03 AM
I'd take Jase but does he fit with this manager and his style of play? I'm not so sure. I won't be giving JR any grief if this isn't a transfer we pursue.

hibbysam
14-08-2021, 11:10 AM
Doig has a lot of potential, still very raw and learning and Thursday showed us how raw he is. Is he worth £5m, maybe not and we may be pricing ourselves out the sale, £3m with add ons would be a more realistic figure for him right now.

We’re selling him based on his potential and his raw attributes though. His sheer athleticism and the fact he’s only 18/19. £5m for any side down south is nothing and if they won’t pay it then we keep him and keep building our squad.

Souter96Mac
14-08-2021, 11:22 AM
Get Andy Carroll in for free. He'll do well in the spfl.

Watched him for Newcastle the last couple of seasons. Can confirm, he's well past it. Unfortunate as he was some player in his day, but his injuries have got the best of him.

Honestly don't even think he'd cope in our league. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up hanging up his boots

calumhibee1
14-08-2021, 11:24 AM
See the "big games" thing? I think it's got a lot to do with a shortage of players with the type of character/ confidence that Cummings has. It might be mildly delusional, but he never had any doubts about his ability to come up against players of bigger reputation - and as a result ended up with a great record in those games and looking very much like he belonged at that level. He was actually poorer when it came to playing weaker teams.

The main thing I think we lack at times is that weird X factor thing that Cummings had (has?) in abundance.

I'd snap him up in a second if he were free and available but I'm not sure I'd be paying much of a fee.

But he has an awful lot of what we are lacking imo, even when keeping eyes wide open to his limitations as a player.

He's another one that struggles in a pair btw - and I'm not sure I've ever seen him strike up what I'd call a great partnership with anyone, although I reckon he'd look pretty good with Doidge.

I think there’s a balance to it. If you’re a very good player then you can probably get by without the JC levels of confidence in this league. Quietly go about your business and you’ll still be better than most.

If you’re a limited player though then it can make the world of difference. I look at guys like Sam Stanton, Danny Handling, Oli Shaw and they were all decent enough football players. They all looked like they never got it in their heads that they were good enough though, I always felt like they played as if they were u20s players who are helping out the first team.

Had they had the confidence of JC I’d suspect Stanton and Shaw especially would either still be here or they’d at least have made a much bigger impression here.

When it comes to the big occasions though i do think the players with personality tend to come to the fore. McGinn, Boyle, Cummings, McGregor, SDG, all of them have put in some exceptional derby performances/OF performances in recent years. All 3 of them are brimming with confidence constantly.

Guys like Newell, Irvine last season, Drey Wright for example I’d say don’t have that and I think when the big games come round it shows.

Brightside
14-08-2021, 11:24 AM
I’ve said in a previous post that I don’t think Hanlon should be captain and should concentrate on his own game and not everyone else’s. I’d like to point out now I think Hanlon is a good player and we are lucky to have him, however if he was to cut out silly mistakes then maybe he
Would be an exceptional player for us.

For the folk saying Hanlon had a great season last year he did. So did The 2 CH’s at St J. We also had McGinn doing great at RB. However has anyone considered that maybe this is because we had no fans at the games?

Ive never played the game except in the park. Can’t kick a ball to
Save my life but I do watch football and believe this season already our back line looks shaky. Do fans at games add that much pressure onto the players that can result in silly mistakes? Or could it be that because there is no real competition for places certain players don’t try as hard?

It’s obviously we need to strengthen and more so at the back. I don’t know how it will be addressed by Hibs but if the get the correct players in we could have an outstanding season.

GGTTH
What silly mistakes? He’s our captain on merit and it certainly hasn’t affected his form.

Smartie
14-08-2021, 11:33 AM
What silly mistakes? He’s our captain on merit and it certainly hasn’t affected his form.

He made a couple of daft mistakes in pre-season friendlies.

In my opinion that's exactly the time to get them out your system, and he hasn't made any since the competitive games have come round again.

Some folk cling to these things though.

Hanlon made a bad mistake that cost us a goal in a game against Celtic around (?) Christmas. Since then he's been pretty exemplary, and that's an awful long time for a centre half to go without making a mistake that leads to a goal. His central defensive partners over that time made many more, and that's before you get onto the mistakes made by other players, the manager etc etc.

I don't want to jinx him but the lack of errors is a huge plus in Hanlon's game. For a guy who has played hundreds of games for us, he's made very few.

southern hibby
14-08-2021, 01:14 PM
What silly mistakes? He’s our captain on merit and it certainly hasn’t affected his form.

Preseason as already mentioned. If you watch the first goal against Motherwell, who’s he marking when the balls crossed?

Hibs v Rijeka 1-1 game. Their goal he allowed the player to cruise in behind him as he’s ball watching and not spotting the runners ( and let’s be honest who isn’t actually that tall ).

You may not see these as mistakes but I genuinely do. If he’s Captain then he has to take responsibility that players are being tracked when coming into the box.

As I’ve already said I think we’re lucky to have him but I just don’t think he’s a captain.-

GGTTH

Iggy Pope
14-08-2021, 01:29 PM
Get Andy Carroll in for free. He'll do well in the spfl.

Are you the young fellah asked by the steward to remove the NEWCASTLE HIBS flag at the Rijeka game?. Thought it was harsh.

Nicho87
14-08-2021, 01:33 PM
[QUOTE=Nicho87;6656428]I’d take Cummings back in a heart beat

Scores goals
Will get more chances in our team
Likes a goal against hearts
God forbid a player with a bit personality
Still young

More positives than negatives[/QUO

Remind me how many goals Cummings has scored in the Scottish Premiership?

More than what Nisbet and doidge had scored before they joined hibs

A Hi-Bee
14-08-2021, 01:35 PM
He made a couple of daft mistakes in pre-season friendlies.

In my opinion that's exactly the time to get them out your system, and he hasn't made any since the competitive games have come round again.

Some folk cling to these things though.

Hanlon made a bad mistake that cost us a goal in a game against Celtic around (?) Christmas. Since then he's been pretty exemplary, and that's an awful long time for a centre half to go without making a mistake that leads to a goal. His central defensive partners over that time made many more, and that's before you get onto the mistakes made by other players, the manager etc etc.

I don't want to jinx him but the lack of errors is a huge plus in Hanlon's game. For a guy who has played hundreds of games for us, he's made very few.

I dont know how many on here remember watching the great John Blackley, perhaps our best ever defender in the past 50 or 60 years (including the great Pat Stanton) well anyways Sloop would usually start each game by making a mistake or error as some say, once that was out of his system he would, go on to play great as ever.
Mistakes are what makes us human.

Nicho87
14-08-2021, 01:37 PM
Strange post. Boyle is hardly lacking in personality.

Aw well then. Ones enough eh

A Hi-Bee
14-08-2021, 01:38 PM
Bring JC back he will get us goals.

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

Nicho87
14-08-2021, 01:41 PM
Jason Cummings or some untried 19 old from some English team on loan.

Tricky one

flash
14-08-2021, 01:47 PM
Jason Cummings or some untried 19 old from some English team on loan.

Tricky one
Are you his agent?

04Sauzee
14-08-2021, 01:55 PM
Jason Cummings or some untried 19 old from some English team on loan.

Tricky one

Which untried 19 year old from down South are we getting in?

Nicho87
14-08-2021, 01:57 PM
Are you his agent?

I should be haha I’d keep him in check

In all seriousness I think he’d do well at hibs

CMurdoch
14-08-2021, 02:11 PM
Preseason as already mentioned. If you watch the first goal against Motherwell, who’s he marking when the balls crossed?

Hibs v Rijeka 1-1 game. Their goal he allowed the player to cruise in behind him as he’s ball watching and not spotting the runners ( and let’s be honest who isn’t actually that tall ).

You may not see these as mistakes but I genuinely do. If he’s Captain then he has to take responsibility that players are being tracked when coming into the box.

As I’ve already said I think we’re lucky to have him but I just don’t think he’s a captain.-

GGTTH

The Rijeka goal in the 1-1 draw was down to Newell ball watching instead of matching the run of the scorer.
Secondary blame McGinn for not cutting out the cross.

I can't remember the Motherwell goal but recall Gogic being in the box seat on the blame front.

P.S. Just watched the 1st Motherwell goal. Nisbet is the goalscorers marker but is sleeping. Slight blame on probably McGinn for allowing the cross. Nothing on Hanlon.

If you watch the goal it comes from a free kick directed to the right side of the Hibs box where there are 3 Motherwell players being marked by 3 Hibs players, McGinn, Porteous and Hanlon. Meanwhile Gogic and Nisbet are marking 2 Motherwell players including the goal scorer in the centre.
From the free kick the ball breaks to a Motherwell player who crosses the ball into the centre as he does so one of the Motherwell players in the centre makes a run to the right which pulls Gogic out of the centre and the goal scorer makes a short movement to get on the end of the cross with Nisbet left standing lead footed.
Not sure what bizarre interpretation you are making for the goal to be Hanlons fault.

The only other aspect for analyses could be should Hibs have set up for the free kick differently i.e. should Porteous and Hanlon have remained in the centre for the free kick whilst the 3 jumping Motherwell recipients were marked by McGinn, Gogic and Nisbet.

flash
14-08-2021, 02:37 PM
I should be haha I’d keep him in check

In all seriousness I think he’d do well at hibs

Good luck keeping him in check!! He is starting today I noticed.

brog
14-08-2021, 02:37 PM
Preseason as already mentioned. If you watch the first goal against Motherwell, who’s he marking when the balls crossed?

Hibs v Rijeka 1-1 game. Their goal he allowed the player to cruise in behind him as he’s ball watching and not spotting the runners ( and let’s be honest who isn’t actually that tall ).

You may not see these as mistakes but I genuinely do. If he’s Captain then he has to take responsibility that players are being tracked when coming into the box.

As I’ve already said I think we’re lucky to have him but I just don’t think he’s a captain.-

GGTTH

For the Motherwell goal it was Hanlon who cleared the original cross. He then (correctly) continued to mark the new area he found himself in. Gogic was man marking the scorer but inexpicably moved away and left him free. I genuinely can't remember where Hanlon was for the Rijeka goal but my reaction at the time was that possibly Lewis was culpable. We really can't look to blame PH every time we concede a goal.

cabbageandribs1875
14-08-2021, 02:40 PM
i see Birmingham have loaned Cosgrove to Shrewsbury for a season........wonder if they will renew interest in KN or maybe think they've been burned already with a striker from our league

southern hibby
14-08-2021, 02:59 PM
Right I’ve given my views on what I think are Hanlon’s mistakes. If you don’t agree with me fair enough but I just don’t see him as a Captain.

I’ll leave it and at the end of the season hopefully for the sake of Hibs I’m eaten humble pie and Hanlon proves me wrong.

GGTTH

CMurdoch
14-08-2021, 03:01 PM
For the Motherwell goal it was Hanlon who cleared the original cross. He then (correctly) continued to mark the new area he found himself in. Gogic was man marking the scorer but inexpicably moved away and left him free. I genuinely can't remember where Hanlon was for the Rijeka goal but my reaction at the time was that possibly Lewis was culpable. We really can't look to blame PH every time we concede a goal.

Gogic and Nisbet are standing either side of the goalscorer.
Another Motherwell player is near Gogic. As the cross is being hit the 2nd Motherwell player makes a run towards the ball which Gogic matches. That then leaves the goalscorer between Nisbet and the ball. He makes his run and Nisbet is left lead footed as he heads it in.
It's probably harsh to put massive blame on Nisbet. The goal is ultimately made by the smart play by the 2nd Motherwell player perfectly timing a late run with the cross to pull Gogic out of his position between the ball and the goalscorer.

MWHIBBIES
14-08-2021, 03:04 PM
Right I’ve given my views on what I think are Hanlon’s mistakes. If you don’t agree with me fair enough but I just don’t see him as a Captain.

I’ll leave it and at the end of the season hopefully for the sake of Hibs I’m eaten humble pie and Hanlon proves me wrong.

GGTTH

He already has, he captained us to 3rd place last season. If our midfield and forwards turned up in the cup final, he captains Hibs best season since the 50s.

CMurdoch
14-08-2021, 03:05 PM
Right I’ve given my views on what I think are Hanlon’s mistakes. If you don’t agree with me fair enough but I just don’t see him as a Captain.

I’ll leave it and at the end of the season hopefully for the sake of Hibs I’m eaten humble pie and Hanlon proves me wrong.

GGTTH

Take a few moments to read my posts above, one in answer to yourself and one to brog, then watch the Motherwell goal.
If after that you still think the goal is Hanlons fault you may be officially declared the Stevie Wonder of .net

eastmainsmsh
14-08-2021, 03:10 PM
Cummings would be ideal get it done 😂

Haymaker
14-08-2021, 03:12 PM
:hyper

southern hibby
14-08-2021, 03:15 PM
Take a few moments to read my posts above, one in answer to yourself and one to brog, then watch the Motherwell goal.
If after that you still think the goal is Hanlons fault you may be declared troll/blind etc

I’m on about the first goal against Motherwell, he was left standing marking no one. I think folk are getting the second one mixed up with what I’m on about.


GGTTH

southern hibby
14-08-2021, 03:17 PM
He already has, he captained us to 3rd place last season. If our midfield and forwards turned up in the cup final, he captains Hibs best season since the 50s.

Yes he has in a season when no fans were allowed into the games. I’ve already mentioned this.

GGTTH

Eyrie
14-08-2021, 03:21 PM
Why would Cummings sign for Hibs when he'd be third choice once Doidge is fit? And fourth choice once Mueller arrives.

And why would Hibs sign someone who isn't suited to the lone striker role, and who can't play wide?

ElginHibbie
14-08-2021, 03:22 PM
I’m on about the first goal against Motherwell, he was left standing marking no one. I think folk are getting the second one mixed up with what I’m on about.


GGTTH

From the free kick Hanlon marks his man and heads the ball, the guy he’s marking leaves the box but Hanlon keeps his position cause he can see a cross is coming, he doesn’t have time to do anything else

MWHIBBIES
14-08-2021, 03:29 PM
Yes he has in a season when no fans were allowed into the games. I’ve already mentioned this.

GGTTH

Oh right. Why exactly do you think that matters?

CMurdoch
14-08-2021, 03:34 PM
I’m on about the first goal against Motherwell, he was left standing marking no one. I think folk are getting the second one mixed up with what I’m on about.


GGTTH

Hanlon is still at the right side of the box with 3 Motherwell players, McGinn and Porteous after the free kick breaks to the Motherwell player for the cross.
The only thing that could have changed things would have been a different Hibs tactical set up from the Motherwell free kick i.e. Porteous and Hanlon remaining in the centre with Nisbet and Gogic joining McGinn instead to mark the 3 Motherwell jumping receivers for the free kick but in reality it just causes different issues.
Suspect all these tactical things are agreed between the players, coaches and manager before the match. In the light of that goal they may decide to set up differently for future free kicks but no set up is infallible.
Not Hanlons fault. Prefer to credit it to the perfectly timed run by the Motherwell player to drag Gogic away from the front of the scorer leaving him ball side of Nisbet.

The goal is on youtube for you to run a number of frames at a time watching all the player movements described above.

The_Sauz
14-08-2021, 03:43 PM
Why would Cummings sign for Hibs when he'd be third choice once Doidge is fit? And fourth choice once Mueller arrives.

And why would Hibs sign someone who isn't suited to the lone striker role, and who can't play wide?
You could say he's not even a team player! :agree:

Lago
14-08-2021, 04:17 PM
[QUOTE=eastmainsmsh;6656744]Cummings would be ideal get it done.
No he wouldn't

degenerated
14-08-2021, 04:20 PM
Why would Cummings sign for Hibs when he'd be third choice once Doidge is fit? And fourth choice once Mueller arrives.

And why would Hibs sign someone who isn't suited to the lone striker role, and who can't play wide?

James Scott would be the ideal signing for us as he'd be capable of both.

ahibby
14-08-2021, 04:21 PM
[QUOTE=eastmainsmsh;6656744]Cummings would be ideal get it done.
No he wouldn't

Agree. We need better, more physical, and more athletic. Please stop putting JC forward, he is not what we need and it isnt going to happen anyway

04Sauzee
14-08-2021, 04:41 PM
James Scott would be the ideal signing for us as he'd be capable of both.

Still available as well.

brog
14-08-2021, 05:03 PM
Gogic and Nisbet are standing either side of the goalscorer.
Another Motherwell player is near Gogic. As the cross is being hit the 2nd Motherwell player makes a run towards the ball which Gogic matches. That then leaves the goalscorer between Nisbet and the ball. He makes his run and Nisbet is left lead footed as he heads it in.
It's probably harsh to put massive blame on Nisbet. The goal is ultimately made by the smart play by the 2nd Motherwell player perfectly timing a late run with the cross to pull Gogic out of his position between the ball and the goalscorer.


You're correct. I wondered why Gogic left the scorer, who he was actually in physical contact with. I'm not sure the other Well player did much but it's obvious Gogic sees he's completely unmarked and moves on. He makes a slight gesture as if he's passing the scorer on to Nisbet but unfortunately the ball was already on it's way when Gogic moved. One thing is for certain, absolutely no fault is attached to Hanlon, you might as well blame Boyle!!

JimBHibees
14-08-2021, 05:06 PM
Still available as well.

Has had a lot of injuries at Hull hopefully fit as certainly a prospect

Billy Whizz
14-08-2021, 05:09 PM
James Scott would be the ideal signing for us as he'd be capable of both.

My memory of him is he played wide. Do we really need another wide player at the moment. Also we may get Mueller, who can play wide too

We can obviously play Boyle up front in a 352, can’t see us doing that until Cadden is fit

Borderhibbie76
14-08-2021, 05:13 PM
Surely we will see some incoming this week ...really need a reinforcement or 2 before Dundee next weekend ...I can see there being nothing till Deadline Day tho at this rate we seem to be trying to flog Doig first before bringing anyone in

scoopyboy
14-08-2021, 05:31 PM
Yes he has in a season when no fans were allowed into the games. I’ve already mentioned this.

GGTTH

Hardly Paul Hanlon's fault there were no fans in the stadium.

I'm just waiting for you blaming him for the four goals on Thursday cause he was watching it in his living room.

04Sauzee
14-08-2021, 05:32 PM
Hardly Paul Hanlon's fault there were no fans in the stadium.

I'm just waiting for you blaming him for the four goals on Thursday cause he was watching it in his living room.

Doesn't get injured and he's not at home watching.

I am off course joking 😁

JimBHibees
14-08-2021, 05:33 PM
Hardly Paul Hanlon's fault there were no fans in the stadium.

I'm just waiting for you blaming him for the four goals on Thursday cause he was watching it in his living room.

:faf:

scoopyboy
14-08-2021, 05:34 PM
Two players, one a centre half and the other a centre forward due in soon.

Personally I think we need more than one striker in but I guess one would be a start.

04Sauzee
14-08-2021, 05:37 PM
Two players, one a centre half and the other a centre forward due in soon.

Personally I think we need more than one striker in but I guess one would be a start.

Do you think they will be in before the Dundee game Scoop?

JimBHibees
14-08-2021, 05:48 PM
Two players, one a centre half and the other a centre forward due in soon.

Personally I think we need more than one striker in but I guess one would be a start.

Any idea who?