Summer 2021-22 transfer thread

[Smartie]

When it comes to Nisbet the biggest consideration for me is does he still want to be a Hibs player?

I'm not close to convinced he does so I think it's best for all that we strike a deal that moves him on whilst making sure we get what we feel he is worth. I've every faith we will find an adequate replacement, be that as part of the deal or otherwise.

I don't think he's remotely interested in being at Hibs next season and will be more than happy to drive any potential transfer fee down in order to help his own wallet and his next club.

We know what Celtic are like and this isn't an ideal set of circumstances.

At least we're not in the position where a relationship with a much loved player is going to sour - we were a stepping stone for him, he was a financial investment for us and hopefully we get as much money as possible with an adequate replacement lined up who we might take to a wee bit more.

[Potty78]

We havent low balled them. First bid is a decent bid.

Not what I was told🤷*♂️

[Heisenberg]

Just under 200k was the first bid. Going back again with another offer.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/2350258/hibs-second-bid-jamie-mccart-st-johnstone/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&amp#click=https://t.co/0AjTttZp71

[RyeSloan]

He is but i suspect he will leave in this window

Oh I do hope so!!

Disastrous signing that one.

[Brightside]

Not what I was told🤷*♂️

Depends what you think he is worth. Personally i wouldn't go over 300k for him. I think he is a boy with potential but still has loads of development. I'd sign him for sure but we wont go near the 500k that St J fans think they will get.

[bingo70]

Just under 200k was the first bid. Going back again with another offer.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/2350258/hibs-second-bid-jamie-mccart-st-johnstone/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&amp#click=https://t.co/0AjTttZp71

I don’t get why we’re in for a left footed centre half.

Let alone one that’s never kicked a ball for St Mirren?

[Potty78]

Depends what you think he is worth. Personally i wouldn't go over 300k for him. I think he is a boy with potential but still has loads of development. I'd sign him for sure but we wont go near the 500k that St J fans think they will get.

Very true, I'd prefer Kerr anyway👍

[Greenio]

I've never really understood the clamour to sign Irvine. He was a solid enough player but he was never a stand out for me. I was disappointed a few seasons back when we didn't land Greg Docherty but certainly wouldn't have the same (if any) disappointment at losing out on Irvine. The 'full pre season' line gets banded about quite a bit, it might make him a bit sharper but I doubt it would make too much difference to his overall game.

That said, if he signs for Aberdeen and has an absolute blinder of a season I will happily take my dose of humble pie!

I'd say he was a standout player for us. He has an eye for aying a forward ball, holds it well, can shoot when the opp comes...if you look back at his contribution you can't say it wasn't good for us.

[SaulGoodman]

200k is more than enough for those tractor ****gers.

No that I’m bitter or anything

[Brightside]

Very true, I'd prefer Kerr anyway👍

I want them both....:greengrin McCart will be a good replacement for Hanlon over the coming seasons.

[Vault Boy]

I don’t get why we’re in for a left footed centre half.

Let alone one that’s never kicked a ball for St Mirren?

"He then made an emergency loan move to St Mirren in September 2017,[5] and returned to Celtic at the end of the year having made just three appearances for the Buddies."

Don't you worry about that, of course he has!

[bingo70]

"He then made an emergency loan move to St Mirren in September 2017,[5] and returned to Celtic at the end of the year having made just three appearances for the Buddies."

Don't you worry about that, of course he has!

Thank god for that.

[BILLYHIBS]

I'd say he was a standout player for us. He has an eye for aying a forward ball, holds it well, can shoot when the opp comes...if you look back at his contribution you can't say it wasn't good for us.
He wasn’t great

Defo not a stand out

Looked out of sorts

Probably played one decent ball every game

Shudda scored more than 1:21

Meh if he comes back but just imho

[Keyser Sauzee]

I want them both....:greengrin McCart will be a good replacement for Hanlon over the coming seasons.

Is McCart definitely a left sided centre half? Also would he come to be back up for a few years at 24? Seems a good player and I’d be happy with him signing.

[chippy]

So Hibs effectively paying a £1m transfer fee for Griffiths? That’s fantasy stuff. When was the last time you saw a players swap deal?


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If Celtic cover his loan year wages then it would be more a 600k deal

[04Sauzee]

Is McCart definitely a left sided centre half? Also would he come to be back up for a few years at 24? Seems a good player and I’d be happy with him signing.

LCB, played mostly left of a back 3 with Gordon and Kerr, can also fill in at Left Back.

[Brightside]

LCB, played mostly left of a back 3 with Gordon and Kerr, can also fill in at Left Back.

Yep. Left footed. But can also play RCB if required.

[BILLYHIBS]

Billy Gilmour joins Norwich on season long loan

SSN

[04Sauzee]

Yep. Left footed. But can also play RCB if required.

So reckon he could play centre of a back 3 if required?

[CentreLine]

True, it was all about who we were trying to sign, most of the time it never came off, but there was occasions that it did, the problem now is that we don't have another source providing rumors to ponder over.

I suspect people that have heard things from decent sources are totally put off putting anything on here because they will be ripped apart when the signings don’t happen. It is our own fault there are no rumours if we can’t respect the rumour sources

[Oscar T Grouch]

Billy Gilmour joins Norwich on season long loan

SSN

Hopefully for Scotland's sake he gets a good season under him, the laddie is obviously an exceptional talent but he needs game time that he is likely not gonna get at Chelsea.

[Andy74]

I suspect people that have heard things from decent sources are totally put off putting anything on here because they will be ripped apart when the signings don’t happen. It is our own fault there are no rumours if we can’t respect the rumour sources

Nah, it is all about how you present the info and then react to others.

Proper info is always appreciated, whether it comes off or not.

[SaulGoodman]

I suspect people that have heard things from decent sources are totally put off putting anything on here because they will be ripped apart when the signings don’t happen. It is our own fault there are no rumours if we can’t respect the rumour sources

That’s not why he stopped posting here.

[Greencore]

Wonder if we will make a signing today 👀

[Lago]

When it comes to Nisbet the biggest consideration for me is does he still want to be a Hibs player?

I'm not close to convinced he does so I think it's best for all that we strike a deal that moves him on whilst making sure we get what we feel he is worth. I've every faith we will find an adequate replacement, be that as part of the deal or otherwise.
Agree, I think he made up his mind in January to move on & in all probability mixing with the big earners in the Scotland squad has only made it more likely.

[JimBHibees]

Wonder if we will make a signing today 👀

You heard something?

[J-C]

Nisbet has quickly moved through the divisions, he's done well each time but its clear he's happy to chase the money when it's offered and by all accounts was happy to move in January.

[Callum_62]

Wonder if we will make a signing today [emoji102]5pm no doubt.

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1410904323635265544?s=19

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[B.H.F.C]

Agree, I think he made up his mind in January to move on & in all probability mixing with the big earners in the Scotland squad has only made it more likely.

Agree with this.

If we can get around £4m for someone who doesn’t really want to be here, and who hasn’t really performed since the bids in January, I’d be happy to sell.

That said, decent strikers aren’t that easy to find. More than anything I don’t want it to drag on, only three weeks until our season starts.

[Iain G]

Is McCart definitely a left sided centre half? Also would he come to be back up for a few years at 24? Seems a good player and I’d be happy with him signing.

He doesnt need to be coming in as a back up. If we play a 3 we can easily have him and Hanlon in the team, and it would be good to have another left footed centre back in the squad, especially as we get deep into our european campaign :greengrin

[Greenworld]

Celtic to bid 7m million for both nisbet and doig with LG thrown in is my best guess

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[RyeSloan]

Celtic to bid 7m million for both nisbet and doig with LG thrown in is my best guess

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So LG was persuaded to sign another year for Celtic on the promise that it was for nothing more than being a used as a make weight in an impending transfer? Naa.

[Wilson]

Celtic to bid 7m million for both nisbet and doig with LG thrown in is my best guess

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I'd hate to hear your worst one.

[neil7908]

So LG was persuaded to sign another year for Celtic on the promise that it was for nothing more than being a used as a make weight in an impending transfer? Naa.

That's my feeling as well. I know some of the papers are still mentioning Leigh to us but it doesn't make sense from his side to sign a new deal with Celtic and then days/weeks later be OK with a move to Hibs for less money.

I guess they could loan him to us for a season and cover the bulk or all of his salary. But Leigh seems to want desperately to be a Celtic player - I don't think he's playing some complicated game to engineer a move to Hibs.

I'm also not convinced Celtic will be seriously interested in Nisbet. I'd be surprised if he ends up at them, especially if we are looking for £4m.

[MrRobot]

LG will not be offered to Hibs in a player exchange after just signing a new deal.

Need to accept that he isn’t coming to Hibs in this window.

[WhileTheChief..]

£4m for Nisbet would be a cracking deal, not fussed if it's Celtic or anyone else who stumps up for him.

It's good to see so much interest in our players with decent figures being talked about for a change.

Wouldn't be that bothered about any of our players leaving, I'm totally confident we will get better replacements in.

McGregor being the obvious exception.

[Tommy75]

I'd say he was a stabndout player for us. He has an eye for aying a forward ball, holds it well, can shoot when the opp comes...if you look back at his contribution you can't say it wasn't good for us.

I would never say he wasn't good for us, I just don't think he was as good as some have made out on here. Some of his forward passing was really good I agree. I don't think shooting should be listed under his strengths, did he not only score 1 goal and even that was knocked in from a few yards?

I do like Irvine and would be happy if he signed. I just wouldn't care too much if he didn't (or if he sigs for Aberdeen). I'd like to think we could find a player just as good or better with our budget.

[BegbieHSC]

Celtic sign Nisbet for c.£3.8m with sell on, send Griff on loan, and he signs a Murphy style deal, meaning he keeps getting his Celtic wage for the year, can’t play against them as they look to win back the title, and he ultimately gets to sign a perm with Hibs after.

Tbh, would make sense for all parties.

[easty]

£4m for Nisbet would be a cracking deal, not fussed if it's Celtic or anyone else who stumps up for him.

It's good to see so much interest in our players with decent figures being talked about for a change.

Wouldn't be that bothered about any of our players leaving, I'm totally confident we will get better replacements in.

McGregor being the obvious exception.

I’m the same, couldn’t care less where Nisbet goes, if we get £4m it’s great business.

[Stuart93]

I wonder if we’ve a rough idea of what St J are looking for if we’re going back with a 2nd bid. If we were well off you’d imagine we wouldn’t bother.

[CMurdoch]

Celtic need a much better striker than Nisbet if they are to get anywhere near their chums this season.
They are likely to lose Edouard and have already lost Elyounoussi.
Nisbet, Griffiths, Ajeti and Johnson wouldn't have Rangers quaking in their boots and Kerrydale Street and the Mr Bean Brigade would have a massive melt down

[Heisenberg]

I wonder if we’ve a rough idea of what St J are looking for if we’re going back with a 2nd bid. If we were well off you’d imagine we wouldn’t bother.

Journalist that covers them for the Courier reckons roughly 300k would have them seriously thinking about it.

[Stuart93]

Journalist that covers them for the Courier reckons roughly 300k would have them seriously thinking about it.

If we reckon he’s worth it I could see us bidding that

Regardless it’s refreshing to see us continuing to pay fees for players. Days of shopping ONLY in loan/free agent markets seem long gone

[davhibby]

Celtic sign Nisbet for c.£3.8m with sell on, send Griff on loan, and he signs a Murphy style deal, meaning he keeps getting his Celtic wage for the year, can’t play against them as they look to win back the title, and he ultimately gets to sign a perm with Hibs after.

Tbh, would make sense for all parties.

It doesn’t make sense in the world where 2 days ago Griffiths was a free agent and then signed a new deal. Griffiths will have signed a new deal to play at Celtic

[Brightside]

So reckon he could play centre of a back 3 if required?

Yes - until Hanlon retires or his performance slips.

[Pretty Boy]

That's my feeling as well. I know some of the papers are still mentioning Leigh to us but it doesn't make sense from his side to sign a new deal with Celtic and then days/weeks later be OK with a move to Hibs for less money.

I guess they could loan him to us for a season and cover the bulk or all of his salary. But Leigh seems to want desperately to be a Celtic player - I don't think he's playing some complicated game to engineer a move to Hibs.

I'm also not convinced Celtic will be seriously interested in Nisbet. I'd be surprised if he ends up at them, especially if we are looking for £4m.

Celtic may top up Leighs wages for a year if it helps them get their man.

They have done it with us, and possibly others, before.

I still can't see it.

[Brightside]

Celtic sign Nisbet for c.£3.8m with sell on, send Griff on loan, and he signs a Murphy style deal, meaning he keeps getting his Celtic wage for the year, can’t play against them as they look to win back the title, and he ultimately gets to sign a perm with Hibs after.

Tbh, would make sense for all parties.

It makes no sense at all.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I hope there are more interested parties down South. Would prefer Nisbet to go down there.

[Caversham Green]

It makes no sense at all.

It does make sense if Celtc value Nisbet that much higher than Griffiths and if Griffiths wants guaranteed regular first team football. Leigh's already guaranteed Celtc level wages for the coming year and Celtc won't get another chance to sign Nisbet.

Having said that I don't really see it happening either, but Celtc would be the only real losers in the deal.

[Steve20]

Celtic sign Nisbet for c.£3.8m with sell on, send Griff on loan, and he signs a Murphy style deal, meaning he keeps getting his Celtic wage for the year, can’t play against them as they look to win back the title, and he ultimately gets to sign a perm with Hibs after.

Tbh, would make sense for all parties.

So they would get to play Nisbet against us, but we wouldn't get to play Griffiths against them? That doesn't make sense from all parties at all. We're meant to be doing our best to win games for Hibs, not help Celtic get the league back from Rangers. We're not a team with them.

[HoboHarry]

Some vivid imaginations on .net :greengrin

[jacomo]

Messi a free agent now....... :hmmm:


Come on Hibs show some ambition ffs.

[04Sauzee]

St Johnstone sign young Man Utd defender on loan

✍️ | The Club is very excited to announce the signing of defender Reece Devine on a season-long loan from @ManUtd

Welcome, Reece! 🙌

#SJFC

[neil7908]

Celtic may top up Leighs wages for a year if it helps them get their man.

They have done it with us, and possibly others, before.

I still can't see it.

Yeah a loan is the only way I could see it working. Not totally out of the question, as like you say, Celtic have done similar before, but I think he wants to stay at Celtic. And not just for the money.

[Billy Whizz]

Good to see Alan Combe back into full time football
Just been appointed goalkeeping coach at Dundee

[ancient hibee]

Celtic are going to be in a state of transition this year. The new manager may be a complete disaster. We should go all out to compete with them not strengthen them.

[bigwheel]

Good to see Alan Combe back into full time football
Just been appointed goalkeeping coach at Dundee

Agreed. Good guy and good coach

[CMurdoch]

Good to see Alan Combe back into full time football
Just been appointed goalkeeping coach at Dundee

The victim in this case was Bobby Geddes who had been at the club for 15 years.
Contract wasn't renewed. Replaced by Combe.

[Partyraiser]

Celtic are going to be in a state of transition this year. The new manager may be a complete disaster. We should go all out to compete with them not strengthen them.

Couldn't agree more, if we need to sell then sell to a team down south

[007]

Agreed. Good guy and good coach

Good to hear he's got something.

I remember seeing him slip and fall on his @rse when warming up Rocky at Tynecastle in 2018. It was the game when Lennon effectively threatened to leave and questioned the players professionalism for not wearing the right studs as several had slipped. Might have been a different story if Combe had warned them. Mind you, they should have realised during their warm up that they might need to change boots.

[J-C]

Good to see Alan Combe back into full time football
Just been appointed goalkeeping coach at Dundee

1st thing I did in this years Football Manager was to get all the coaches back in the club 😁

[Highwayman]

£4 million for Nesbit wouldn’t even dent the petty cash box for a lot clubs down south.

Can’t see Celtic offering a no strings attached bid of £4 million.From past history any deal would involve some dodgy shenanigans that impress even Donald Trump.

[Unseen work]

Surprised the lack of comments about McCart after us having a bid turned down.

Exactly the sort of player we would be trying to bring to the club.

Some players are suited to certain clubs and I think he would fit in perfectly

[blackpoolhibs]

I suspect people that have heard things from decent sources are totally put off putting anything on here because they will be ripped apart when the signings don’t happen. It is our own fault there are no rumours if we can’t respect the rumour sources

I doubt it, most folk are not that bothered either way, if i heard something that turned out to be utter rubbish and posted it on here, it would not bother me one jot if i got slaughtered for it.

I'd still be here the next day, i certainly would not go off in a sulk elsewhere slating this site.

[BILLYHIBS]

Surprised the lack of comments about McCart after us having a bid turned down.

Exactly the sort of player we would be trying to bring to the club.

Some players are suited to certain clubs and I think he would fit in perfectly

Hibs preparing a second bid according to Twitter

NIK by the way 😃

[04Sauzee]

EEN reporting that Gallantes, MacIntyre and Currie will join Civil Service Strollers on loan although will play for Hibs this evening.

[Brightside]

EEN reporting that Gallantes, MacIntyre and Currie will join Civil Service Strollers on loan although will play for Hibs this evening.

He's read that on the PM board. :greengrin

[Spudster]

So LG was persuaded to sign another year for Celtic on the promise that it was for nothing more than being a used as a make weight in an impending transfer? Naa.

It wouldn't be for nothing as Celtic would still have to pay off his contract though?

[04Sauzee]

He's read that on the PM board. :greengrin

Couldn't say but just noticed one of the red tops was running with the story before the EEN , just passing on what was being reported 😁

[Paloschi]

If Nisbet goes we can do a lot worse than look at Oscar Aga who plays for Grorud in the Norwegian second tier. Only 20 and just scored his 23rd goal in 38 games.

[Since452]

If Nisbet goes we can do a lot worse than look at Oscar Aga who plays for Grorud in the Norwegian second tier. Only 20 and just scored his 23 goal in 38 games.

That is some hard core scouting there lol

[Souter96Mac]

If Nisbet goes we can do a lot worse than look at Oscar Aga who plays for Grorud in the Norwegian second tier. Only 20 and just scored his 23rd goal in 38 games.

Get him signed Ron

[SaulGoodman]

If Nisbet goes we can do a lot worse than look at Oscar Aga who plays for Grorud in the Norwegian second tier. Only 20 and just scored his 23rd goal in 38 games.

Sounds like he’s cooking with gas

[Lancs Harp]

Sounds like he’s cooking with gas

:greengrin Well made me laugh

[CMurdoch]

If Nisbet goes we can do a lot worse than look at Oscar Aga who plays for Grorud in the Norwegian second tier. Only 20 and just scored his 23rd goal in 38 games.

Someone different out of left field.
Nice one.

Factoids:
In 2019 Grorud's average attendance for the season was 240.
The same season the average attendance in the Norwegian 2nd tier was 1,500.

Archetypal pub league.
If this guy is any good Rosenberg or Brann will be all over him.

[HoboHarry]

Sounds like he’s cooking with gas

What range is he best at?

[CmoantheHibs]

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/fc-krasnodar-join-race-for-hibs-kevin-nisbet/

Not sure if Krasnodar interest in Nisbet has been mentioned. Seen it mentioned in a Birmingham paper also but I can no longer find it.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Sounds like he’s cooking with gas

Would quite like to see him in a Hobs strip.

[JohnMcM]

Would quite like to see him in a Hobs strip.

Probably simmer for a while in games before coming to the boil.

[CropleyWasGod]

Probably simmer for a while in games before coming to the boil.

We can call him Stew.

[Jim44]

I don’t oven laugh at these puns but I’ll make an exception for these.

[JohnMcM]

We can call him Stew.

:faf::faf::faf:

[JohnMcM]

I don’t oven laugh at these puns but I’ll make an exception for these.

Clever :wink:

[Pedantic_Hibee]

He might not take to Jack Ross but I’m sure he’ll work well under Potts.

[Iain G]

If Nisbet goes we can do a lot worse than look at Oscar Aga who plays for Grorud in the Norwegian second tier. Only 20 and just scored his 23rd goal in 38 games.

Do we dedicate a version of Agadoo for him if he signs?

[expresso]

Yes - until Hanlon retires or his performance slips.

Need better than Hanlon if we are to progress

[Malthibby]

Suspect some might be interested in this, if only to think about how easily clubs throw money about these days.

BBC reporting that Man Utd have agreed a fee of 80m € (£73m) for Sancho with Dortmund

Bonkers money for a guy who only turned 21 a few months ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57673463

It's why I long lost interest in English footie or anything else at the 'top' end. Obscene.

[Peevemor]

It's why I long lost interest in English footie or anything else at the 'top' end. Obscene.Same here.

[Hibiza]

Sounds like he’s cooking with gas

Might be a " slow burner ".

[Peevemor]

Sounds like he’s cooking with gasIf anyone can...

[Bukta#8]

If anyone can...

He’d be on fire with Sparky

[04Sauzee]

Motherwell sign a forward ⬇️

The one you've all been waiting for.

Kevin van Veen is a Motherwell player.

https://t.co/Dt6sIqEhwy https://t.co/w9MyqmJeWv

[JXM73]

He’d be on fire with Sparky

These are goin on and on and ariston..

[Stick]

These are goin on and on and ariston..

Now now eNEFFs, eNEFF

[Tambo]

If it’s 4 million up front for Nisbet then great business and profit.

In my opinion Shankland is a downgrade on Nisbet but could do a job when he will probably have more chances and also hopefully Laidlaw can burst on the scene.

[eastmainsmsh]

If Nisbet goes we can do a lot worse than look at Oscar Aga who plays for Grorud in the Norwegian second tier. Only 20 and just scored his 23rd goal in 38 games.

Aga do do doo sign him up

[04Sauzee]

Jamie McCart set for Hibs medical after 250k fee + addons agreed
#Hibernian #StJohnstone https://t.co/wzIsBlsTgV

Edit... It's a spoof ,been done there 😂😂

[Vault Boy]

Jamie McCart set for Hibs medical after 250k fee + addons agreed
#Hibernian #StJohnstone https://t.co/wzIsBlsTgV

Fake account.

[04Sauzee]

Fake account.

Yip just edited my post. Sorry 😶

[brog]

I continue to be amazed by just how many posters on here are privvy to Kevin Nisbet's private thoughts!

[SMAXXA]

I continue to be amazed by just how many posters on here are privvy to Kevin Nisbet's private thoughts!

He wants to leave Hibs to progress his career at a higher level that’s obvious from what happened in January so I think it’s reasonable people expect his mind is in the same place

[bingo70]

He wants to leave Hibs to progress his career at a higher level that’s obvious from what happened in January so I think it’s reasonable people expect his mind is in the same place

FWIW I don’t blame him in the slightest for that.

Good luck to him.

[SMAXXA]

FWIW I don’t blame him in the slightest for that.

Good luck to him.

I agree. We will make some good cash and benefit from his contribution not all players have to stay for 3/4 years to then see them leave. Fwiw I think we can replace him and for not that much money strangely enough with the chances we create. Lose Boyle and doidge id be more worried but that’s jus me

[bingo70]

I agree. We will make some good cash and benefit from his contribution not all players have to stay for 3/4 years to then see them leave. Fwiw I think we can replace him and for not that much money strangely enough with the chances we create. Lose Boyle and doidge id be more worried but that’s jus me

Yeah.

If you can offer me Nisbets replacement to come in and scores 18 goals or whatever it was and wants a move next summer for more than 10x what we pay for him then I’d bite your hand off for that.

If we sign good young players that are ambitious, we can’t then complain that they’re ambitious. We just need to make sure we can get the most out of them and maximise the transfer income from them.

[Brightside]

He wants to leave Hibs to progress his career at a higher level that’s obvious from what happened in January so I think it’s reasonable people expect his mind is in the same place

Every player wants that unless they are at the end of career. If they aren’t then get rid now as they will never improve.

[Greencore]

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/fc-krasnodar-join-race-for-hibs-kevin-nisbet/amp/

Interesting

[Dmas]

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/fc-krasnodar-join-race-for-hibs-kevin-nisbet/amp/

Interesting

More interest the better for us if he’s going to go, not sure a move to Russia would be the best option for him career wise but if it’s cash that’s the main motivator a year or 2 over there will see him alright

[Onion]

Yeah.

If you can offer me Nisbets replacement to come in and scores 18 goals or whatever it was and wants a move next summer for more than 10x what we pay for him then I’d bite your hand off for that.

If we sign good young players that are ambitious, we can’t then complain that they’re ambitious. We just need to make sure we can get the most out of them and maximise the transfer income from them.

:agree: But give me the John McGinn ambitious-youngster-types who give the club 100% and win us the Cup before they trot off to their land of milk and honey.

[Stuart93]

:agree: But give me the John McGinn ambitious-youngster-types who give the club 100% and win us the Cup before they trot off to their land of milk and honey.

Aye I’m no sure I’m keen on signing these young players in the summer who then chuck the toys out the pram 6 months later and hand in a transfer request

[bigwheel]

Yeah.

If you can offer me Nisbets replacement to come in and scores 18 goals or whatever it was and wants a move next summer for more than 10x what we pay for him then I’d bite your hand off for that.

If we sign good young players that are ambitious, we can’t then complain that they’re ambitious. We just need to make sure we can get the most out of them and maximise the transfer income from them.

Surely we could expect more than 6 months before them wanting to leave ?


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[bingo70]

Surely we could expect more than 6 months before them wanting to leave ?


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He wanted to leave when there was an offer of £millions in for him and he had the chance to earn life changing amounts of money.

I would have done the same.

I don’t think there’s any suggestion that his attitude or effort changed after he put in his transfer request.

[bigwheel]

He wanted to leave when there was an offer of £millions in for him and he had the chance to earn life changing amounts of money.

I would have done the same.

I don’t think there’s any suggestion that his attitude or effort changed after he put in his transfer request.

I don’t blame him either ..but it tells us something about his character . I’m sure McGinn could have pushed for a move earlier , but he was happy to develop and get the move when the time was right.

Nisbet wanted away first Opportunity ..as you say, that’s fair enough - but not the mindset and actions of someone who we would necessarily choose to sign

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t blame him either ..but it tells us something about his character . I’m sure McGinn could have pushed for a move earlier , but he was happy to develop and get the move when the time was right.

Nisbet wanted away first Opportunity ..as you say, that’s fair enough - but not the mindset and actions of someone who we would necessarily choose to sign

If they keep performing then fine.

McGinn single handedly dragged us through a European away tie in Greece on the Thursday and was man of the match in the first game of the league season on the Sunday, before being sold at the start of the following week. Gave everything right up until the day he left.

Nisbet has been average at best since all the speculation in January.

[S4uzee]

:agree: But give me the John McGinn ambitious-youngster-types who give the club 100% and win us the Cup before they trot off to their land of milk and honey.

Totally agree. McGinn gave absolutely everything and was respectful the summer he knew he was leaving. Look at his performances in Europe. That is why every Hibs fan is delighted to see him do well.

[bigwheel]

If they keep performing then fine.

McGinn single handedly dragged us through a European away tie in Greece on the Thursday and was man of the match in the first game of the league season on the Sunday, before being sold at the start of the following week. Gave everything right up until the day he left.

Nisbet has been average at best since all the speculation in January.

Off topic a bit but Bogdan was a major party of that win in Greece too ..McGinns goal was key. But some huge performances that night

Agree on Nisbet. Although, final aside he was finding some form towards the end of the season again

[CapitalGreen]

Off topic a bit but Bogdan was a major party of that win in Greece too ..McGinns goal was key. But some huge performances that night


Was about to say the same regarding Bogdan, he made some big saves in that game that kept us in it.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think McGinn was more of the exception, rather than the norm. Probably one of the reasons he's held in such high regards by us supporters, and Nisbet will just be remembered as another who left too soon and forgotten pretty quickly.

[bingo70]

I think McGinn was more of the exception, rather than the norm. Probably one of the reasons he's held in such high regards by us supporters, and Nisbet will just be remembered as another who left too soon and forgotten pretty quickly.

Too soon for who?

Nisbet isn’t like Doig, he’s not going to get that much better as time goes on. If he can get a deal to quadruple his wages then the sooner he can get that deal done the better.

FWIW I’m not that convinced by Nisbet, if he stays for another season at Hibs I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he suffers from second season syndrome and his value plummets.

I can’t give you any stats to back that up, it’s just what I think from watching him last season.

[blackpoolhibs]

Too soon for who?

Nisbet isn’t like Doig, he’s not going to get that much better as time goes on. If he can get a deal to quadruple his wages then the sooner he can get that deal done the better.

FWIW I’m not that convinced by Nisbet, if he stays for another season at Hibs I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he suffers from second season syndrome and his value plummets.

I can’t give you any stats to back that up, it’s just what I think from watching him last season.

Too soon for us, and too soon for him as in development. I know cash is king these days, but if you look at McGinn, he could have gone to celtic the season before he left, but he's now one of the highest paid players in Scottish history, and maybe if he does move, he will be the highest paid player in Scottish history, and at a club who might win things too.

[zitelli62]

Now now eNEFFs, eNEFF

Please stop the puns it's getting boring now my Norwegian friend told me he's mince.

[WhileTheChief..]

If Nisbet was playing for someone else just now, with us being linked to him, I wouldn’t offer much more than the £250k we paid.

If anyone is gonna pay anywhere near £4m for him we’ve got to bite their hand off for it.

[lucky]

If Nisbet was playing for someone else just now, with us being linked to him, I wouldn’t offer much more than the £250k we paid.

If anyone is gonna pay anywhere near £4m for him we’ve got to bite their hand off for it.

Stop it. A goal scoring international striker for £250k, where do you shop Aldi? Nesbit scored 18 times last season and will be a huge miss by Hibs if he moves on. I really don’t get how Hibs fans haven’t taken to him after the season he’s had.

[bingo70]

Too soon for us, and too soon for him as in development. I know cash is king these days, but if you look at McGinn, he could have gone to celtic the season before he left, but he's now one of the highest paid players in Scottish history, and maybe if he does move, he will be the highest paid player in Scottish history, and at a club who might win things too.

I don’t think the comparison with McGinn is relevant as Mcginn was simply a far better player.

Two completely different situations IMO and I think Nisbet is right to look at this window as the opportunity to cash in on his next move.

[Heisenberg]

Stop it. A goal scoring international striker for £250k, where do you shop Aldi? Nesbit scored 18 times last season and will be a huge miss by Hibs if he moves on. I really don’t get how Hibs fans haven’t taken to him after the season he’s had.

A lot of it will be because of his alleged behaviour in January. Trying to force a move six months into a four year deal isn’t a good look. Especially to relegation fodder like Birmingham City.

[CMurdoch]

I think one of the issues with Nisbet is he is trying hard to make up for what he sees as lost time.
John McGinn was 23 when he left Hibs for England. Kevin Nisbet is already 24.

Another issue is that John McGinn knew he was an exceptional player who could leave anytime and be a success. I think there is a little bit of Nisbet that fears the magic will run out and he won't get the life changing money move. Hopefully making the Euro's squad and playing for Scotland will give him real belief in his ability.

Playing without crowds has contributed largely to the disconnect with the fans and I would like to see Nisbet stay for one more season to play in front of the Hibs supporters, help the club in Europe and have another good season in Scotlands top tier. Backing up his good 1st season at this level with a 2nd would also convince more and better suitors of his ability.

[MrSmith]

Don’t rate Nisbet and think he’s totally overrated. Happy to see the back of him as I don’t like players who are quick enough to sign 4 year deals and to then want away five minutes later.

[J-C]

Nisbet has moved after 1 season this past 3 seasons, it seems to be what he does, scores goals and gets a better deal. He's progressing his bank balance but us he progressing as a player? Dont give me the internationalist nonsense, he's played around 30 mins as an internationalist, jeez Dykes played before him and he's not that good. Still a lot of question marks about Nisbet, if £4m is the figure banded about, take it now.

[CapitalGreen]

How come people are only expressing concerns about him moving on too fast now when he is with us and not last summer when we’re signing him from Dunfermline?

[Tobias Funke]

I’d happily accept 4M for Nisbet right now, he’s a decent young striker but no more than that. He’s not a patch on the young goal scorers we’ve had in the past.

[Since90+2]

Don’t rate Nisbet and think he’s totally overrated. Happy to see the back of him as I don’t like players who are quick enough to sign 4 year deals and to then want away five minutes later.

How many players have we had in the last 20 years that scored 18 goals in a season?

[J-C]

How come people are only expressing concerns about him moving on too fast now when he is with us and not last summer when we’re signing him from Dunfermline?

Because he was on a shortish contract and in a lower division. We've just got 3rd and qualified for Europe and he's also been recognised internationally. He signed a 4 year deal for a reason, stability but 1st sign of a move and he seems to want away, understandable in the lower leagues but this is the premier division, he's got a lot more to prove.

[CapitalGreen]

Because he was on a shortish contract and in a lower division. We've just got 3rd and qualified for Europe and he's also been recognised internationally. He signed a 4 year deal for a reason, stability but 1st sign of a move and he seems to want away, understandable in the lower leagues but this is the premier division, he's got a lot more to prove.

Hang on, in your previous post did you not say we shouldn’t recognise his international appearances as progress as he’d only played around 30 minutes? 🤣

[1875Sean]

Has anyone heard if Dunfermline has a sell on feee for nisbet? Never heard anything at the time but all these Hibs transfer pages “in the know” seem to think so

[Brightside]

Has anyone heard if Dunfermline has a sell on feee for nisbet? Never heard anything at the time but all these Hibs transfer pages “in the know” seem to think so

yes 20%

[blackpoolhibs]

I don’t think the comparison with McGinn is relevant as Mcginn was simply a far better player.

Two completely different situations IMO and I think Nisbet is right to look at this window as the opportunity to cash in on his next move.

It's all relative though, all players have the ability to improve, whether it's 1% or 20%, he still has that in my opinion, and doing it at Hibs will get him a better deal in 12 months and us.

Although if he's just a greedy sod and wants it all now, then fair enough off you go, but as i said originally, he will not be remembered like McGinn or even others that left not as good as McGinn.

Of course he wont give a toss about that.

[Greenio]

Surely we could expect more than 6 months before them wanting to leave ?


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That's my view.

I've no issue with him being ambitious, using us as a stepping stone and making his coin when he can. But, for me, I'd like for his contribution to have been more than just a one season wonder.

[J-C]

Hang on, in your previous post did you not say we shouldn’t recognise his international appearances as progress as he’d only played around 30 minutes? 🤣

He's been recognised but only played the odd 5 or 10 mins, jeez Iwlumo got capped and he was stinking. He's proved nothing yet apart from a pretty decent half a season. Someone mentioned if we were buying him now came would be looking at £250k and it was counter argued that that he was now an international player, oh aye with about 30 mins game time.

[3pm]

He's been recognised but only played the odd 5 or 10 mins, jeez Iwlumo got capped and he was stinking. He's proved nothing yet apart from a pretty decent half a season. Someone mentioned if we were buying him now came would be looking at £250k and it was counter argued that that he was now an international player, oh aye with about 30 mins game time.

And a goal?

[MWHIBBIES]

A lot of it will be because of his alleged behaviour in January. Trying to force a move six months into a four year deal isn’t a good look. Especially to relegation fodder like Birmingham City.

I don't really get this ''alleged behaviour''?

He wanted to move, thats all. Nothing to suggest he was out of order, disrespectful or misbehaved. He literally wanted more money for the same job. Shocker.

[brog]

How come people are only expressing concerns about him moving on too fast now when he is with us and not last summer when we’re signing him from Dunfermline?


Exactly right. As for him leaving Raith & Dunfermline after a season, he left because bigger clubs put in an offer for him. As for his so called poor behaviour with us, who knows what really happened. Why is he condemned when Scott Allan did exactly the same, (possibly worse given Scott's proposed move was to our rivals)? We're in unprecedented times with this pandemic & the boy had just lost his father. You can pretty much be sure his agent was all over him pressing for the move. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. As for people saying we'll easily replace him, there's a reason he's a full internationalist & clubs are lining up to sign him & it's not because he's a poor player as some on here would have us believe.

[660]

Exactly right. As for him leaving Raith & Dunfermline after a season, he left because bigger clubs put in an offer for him. As for his so called poor behaviour with us, who knows what really happened. Why is he condemned when Scott Allan did exactly the same, (possibly worse given Scott's proposed move was to our rivals)? We're in unprecedented times with this pandemic & the boy had just lost his father. You can pretty much be sure his agent was all over him pressing for the move. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. As for people saying we'll easily replace him, there's a reason he's a full internationalist & clubs are lining up to sign him & it's not because he's a poor player as some on here would have us believe.

He’s a good player but seems to be a bit of a tit frankly.

[Crunchie]

It's all relative though, all players have the ability to improve, whether it's 1% or 20%, he still has that in my opinion, and doing it at Hibs will get him a better deal in 12 months and us.

Although if he's just a greedy sod and wants it all now, then fair enough off you go, but as i said originally, he will not be remembered like McGinn or even others that left not as good as McGinn.

Of course he wont give a toss about that.
As you say it's very relevant, if he stays and bangs in the goals this season big clubs will start taking notice if he leaves now he'll be a bench warmer and nothing else.

I don't think he's anywhere near ready, nor was SJM when he earned his first Scotland cap, but a couple of years and a few caps later the man was different class and attracting the vultures.

I hope he stays but if we're offered 4 million I'd take that and get Shankland in who I think will be better in terms of scoring goals and is an all round better player imo.

[Heisenberg]

I don't really get this ''alleged behaviour''?

He wanted to move, thats all. Nothing to suggest he was out of order, disrespectful or misbehaved. He literally wanted more money for the same job. Shocker.

The way him and his agent went about it was a bit off no? There were details being leaked to the press on what felt like an hourly basis. Fair enough if he wanted to go for the money but act with a bit of respect towards your current employer who have you tied down to a contract for another 3.5 years. Don’t go running to the press greeting to try and force it through.

[Rumble de Thump]

The way him and his agent went about it was a bit off no? There were details being leaked to the press on what felt like an hourly basis. Fair enough if he wanted to go for the money but act with a bit of respect towards your currently employer who have you tied down to a contract for another 3.5 years. Don’t go running to the press greeting to try and force it through.

What details were leaked to the press?

[Nicho87]

Nisbet isn’t even 20% off the player riordan or O’Connor was in my option

They had something special about them I don’t get that same spark with Nisbet

Good player but he’s 24 riordan was showing much promise 6 years earlier

[3pm]

He wasn't a dick when he gladly took his pay cut like everyone else. Or stuck to his guns when Hearts and Dundee United wanted him but decided he wanted to come to Easter Road.

I notice he gave his Scotland shirt to the injured boy at Peterhead so he could raise funds for his surgery as well.

He seems OK to me.

[Heisenberg]

What details were leaked to the press?

Pish like this from “a source close to the player” i.e his agent

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/kevin-nisbet-tries-force-birmingham-23423212

As I said, fair enough he wanted to go but the way they went about it was rotten.

[green day]

I don't really get this ''alleged behaviour''?

He wanted to move, thats all. Nothing to suggest he was out of order, disrespectful or misbehaved. He literally wanted more money for the same job. Shocker.

For me, it was the way it emerged, not that he wants to improve on the salary he earns here.

If he hadnt wanted to play the semi straight after his dad died, Hibs would have accepted that as we were treating him respectfully and properly.

A few weeks later and his agent is leaking about how he wants away to Birmingham. :rolleyes:

Nobody is advocating a return to pre-bosman days where players were treated as possessions, but respect is a 2 way street - he cant expect to pull that move and not be called a dick.

He could have easily said that the time wasnt right and nobody would have batted an eyelid if he got a big move this summer.

[Rumble de Thump]

Pish like this from “a source close to the player” i.e his agent

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/kevin-nisbet-tries-force-birmingham-23423212

As I said, fair enough he wanted to go but the way they went about it was rotten.

I think it's more likey that the quotes were invented by a journalist. Kevin has been quoted as saying: "We had a chat and that was that, really. There was nothing more to it. It got portrayed as something bigger and I wasn’t too happy about that."

[calumhibee1]

I think one of the issues with Nisbet is he is trying hard to make up for what he sees as lost time.
John McGinn was 23 when he left Hibs for England. Kevin Nisbet is already 24.

Another issue is that John McGinn knew he was an exceptional player who could leave anytime and be a success. I think there is a little bit of Nisbet that fears the magic will run out and he won't get the life changing money move. Hopefully making the Euro's squad and playing for Scotland will give him real belief in his ability.

Playing without crowds has contributed largely to the disconnect with the fans and I would like to see Nisbet stay for one more season to play in front of the Hibs supporters, help the club in Europe and have another good season in Scotlands top tier. Backing up his good 1st season at this level with a 2nd would also convince more and better suitors of his ability.

:agree:

The fears you mention Nisbet might have are the same fears I have for him, hence why I’d be happy to see him go.

I don’t think he’s THAT good a player that he’s worth anything like that kind of money. If we get it then we’ll have done incredibly well out of him.

[HendoDelivered]

Nisbet isn’t even 20% off the player riordan or O’Connor was in my option

They had something special about them I don’t get that same spark with Nisbet

Good player but he’s 24 riordan was showing much promise 6 years earlier

:greengrin

Nisbet couldn’t lace a young Deeks boots.

[04Sauzee]

If Celtic wanted Nisbet and were willing to meet Hibs asking price ,I'm assuming they would have to sign him before the European games kick off? If Hibs play him in a European tie in guessing he couldn't play for another club in another European competition? Or am I way off the mark?

[RyeSloan]

Maybe it’s simply not seeing Nisbet in the flesh so it’s been hard to see his overall game but I’m kind of in the camp of take the money and run.

Not just because that would be a ridiculous return on investment in one year but for the fact that I’m still a bit ‘jury out’ on the lad.

Sure he scored 18 goals and no doubt contributed significantly to our third place finish….I’m just not convinced that if he stays he will either replicate or improve.

Totally just a hunch more than anything but if we could get £4m and replace with Shankland for a tenth of that then I would be very satisfied with that kind of business.

[Brightside]

I think it's more likey that the quotes were invented by a journalist. Kevin has been quoted as saying: "We had a chat and that was that, really. There was nothing more to it. It got portrayed as something bigger and I wasn’t too happy about that."

Correct

[CockneyRebel]

Maybe it’s simply not seeing Nisbet in the flesh so it’s been hard to see his overall game but I’m kind of in the camp of take the money and run.

Not just because that would be a ridiculous return on investment in one year but for the fact that I’m still a bit ‘jury out’ on the lad.

Sure he scored 18 goals and no doubt contributed significantly to our third place finish….I’m just not convinced that if he stays he will either replicate or improve.

Totally just a hunch more than anything but if we could get £4m and replace with Shankland for a tenth of that then I would be very satisfied with that kind of business.


I would guess United would want more than that - methinks around £1m.

[Billy Whizz]

yes 20%

Dunfermline fans think 30%, but who knows
30% is a fair chunk of a transfer fee

[04Sauzee]

I would guess United would want more than that - methinks around £1m.

1m would be steep when he can sign a pre-contract with clubs in January. Still reckon Utd will get 500k tops for him and surprised nobody has come in for him.

[RyeSloan]

1m would be steep when he can sign a pre-contract with clubs in January. Still reckon Utd will get 500k tops for him and surprised nobody has come in for him.

I agree…United are not in a strong position on this one at all.

In fact considering our lack of strikers I’d like us to go for him regardless of what happens to Nisbet.

[Souter96Mac]

I'd be happy if we got Shankland in as a Nisbet replacement. Reckon he would work well with Doidge. If we could have them 2, Gullan and bring in another option possibly on loan, that would do us I think

[CockneyRebel]

1m would be steep when he can sign a pre-contract with clubs in January. Still reckon Utd will get 500k tops for him and surprised nobody has come in for him.


Forgot he was in his last year, thought he had one more after this, be a wages auction now I suspect.

[04Sauzee]

Forgot he was in his last year, thought he had one more after this.

It's not great for UTD that he's entering his last year,unless they can get him to sign a longer deal with a release clause they risk losing him for nothing, or selling him this window and getting a decent fee for him. If he hopes to get back into the Scotland squad I'd imagine he has to be somewhere he's both playing and scoring goals.

[Iain G]

:greengrin

Nisbet couldn’t lace a young Deeks boots.

Because he doesn't have a time machine?

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[JohnMcM]

How many players have we had in the last 20 years that scored 18 goals in a season?
Doidge 2019/20 - 19
Cummings 16/17 - 23
Cummings 15/16 - 25
Cummings 14/15 - 21
Griffiths 12/13 - 28
Stokes 09/10 - 23
Riordan 05/06 - 20
Riordan 04/05 - 23
Riordan 03/04 - 18

[MWHIBBIES]

Doidge 2019/20 - 19
Cummings 16/17 - 23
Cummings 15/16 - 25
Cummings 14/15 - 21
Griffiths 12/13 - 28
Stokes 09/10 - 23
Riordan 05/06 - 20
Riordan 04/05 - 23
Riordan 03/04 - 18

So quite a few actually. O'Connor got 19 in 04/05 as well.

[MrSmith]

Doidge 2019/20 - 19
Cummings 16/17 - 23
Cummings 15/16 - 25
Cummings 14/15 - 21
Griffiths 12/13 - 28
Stokes 09/10 - 23
Riordan 05/06 - 20
Riordan 04/05 - 23
Riordan 03/04 - 18

Cheers 👍

[Unseen work]

So quite a few actually. O'Connor got 19 in 04/05 as well.

Don’t think you can include Cummings as his were all in the championship

So Riordan, Griffiths, O’Connor, Doidge and Stokes.

Shows the quality of player that manage to do it.

[Unseen work]

None of the following played today

Cadden
Mackie (although is in one of the photos)
Doidge
Doig
Nisbet
Hallberg
Tom James

On the move or recovering from injuries?

Cadden and Mackie were injured at the tail end of the season so I imagine they’re building up fitness.

Doig a Got an injury that ruled him out of 21s but never thought it would be lengthy? On the move?

Doidge - Odd one unless he’s injured

Nisbet - Extra time off with being away I’d imagine

Hallberg - Presumably leaving especially with JDH signing.

James - Many probably forgot he was our player. Surely on his way out.

[MWHIBBIES]

None of the following played today

Cadden
Mackie (although is in one of the photos)
Doidge
Doig
Nisbet
Hallberg

On the move or recovering from injuries?

Cadden and Mackie were injured at the tail end of the season so I imagine they’re building up fitness.

Doig a Got an injury that ruled him out of 21s but never thought it would be lengthy? On the move?

Doidge - Odd one unless he’s injured

Nisbet - Extra time off with being away I’d imagine

Hallberg - Presumably leaving especially with JDH signing.

Always happens in pre season, wouldn't read anything into it.

[CMurdoch]

Nisbet isn’t even 20% off the player riordan or O’Connor was in my option

They had something special about them I don’t get that same spark with Nisbet

Good player but he’s 24 riordan was showing much promise 6 years earlier

Nisbet getting a hard time from some Hibs supporters. Given you reckon Riordan was 5 times the player Nisbet is, lets compare facts.

Riordan was a great player for Hibs and was blessed with great natural football gifts.
A good player at Hibs by 20 he signed for Celtic at 23 but couldn't make the step up and returned to Hibs after playing only 24 league games and scoring 5 league goals in a little over 2 seasons.
By the age of 28 he left Hibs and barely played at any level again.
No team appear to have offered in excess of £500k for him during his career.
He played 3 times for Scotland scoring no goals.
Played 347 games in his career scoring 124 goals.

Nisbet was a good player at 21 and will expect to be a good player for at least 8 more seasons.
He is hungry to progress and is doing all he can to impress teams at a level above Hibs. From his record it is clear he is improving every season
Hibs have already received a bid of £2-3 million for him.
He has played 6 games for Scotland scoring 1 goal and played at the Euros.
Has to date played 196 games in his career scoring 86 goals.

Despite all of the above you believe Nisbet is 20% of the player Riordan was!
It just doesn't stack up.

Riordan was a better player than Nisbet up to the age of 23 but between that and 32 Nisbet will be well ahead of Riordan in terms of a career, matches played, goals scored, International football and any other measurable statistic you can come up with. Not so exciting in those early years but ultimately much better.

[04Sauzee]

There is a St Johnstone fan account on Twitter posting that there are rumours that McCart has had a medical at Hibs? Not sure where these rumours are circulating tbh?

[Bridge hibs]

There is a St Johnstone fan account on Twitter posting that there are rumours that McCart has had a medical at Hibs? Not sure where these rumours are circulating tbh?Do you have a link to the twitter thing ?

[04Sauzee]

Do you have a link to the twitter thing ?

Just the one account so not sure where he's hearing the rumours

https://twitter.com/SJFCFANS/status/1411362247612538885?s=19

[Bridge hibs]

Just the one account so not sure where he's hearing the rumours

https://twitter.com/SJFCFANS/status/1411362247612538885?s=19Cheers bud 👍

[Centre Hawf]

If it's £4m+ for Nisbet I can't help feel that we would do well to take it. That being said we would need to be ambitious again with his replacement. As others have said a Shankland would be great if possible. Not sure who else is about in the lower divisions like Nisbet or Shankland were a few seasons ago either.

[Aldo]

If it's £4m+ for Nisbet I can't help feel that we would do well to take it. That being said we would need to be ambitious again with his replacement. As others have said a Shankland would be great if possible. Not sure who else is about in the lower divisions like Nisbet or Shankland were a few seasons ago either.

Even after the Pars cut we have made a healthy profit. Shankland is 25 and I think he would be a very good replacement for Nisbet if and when he moves on. I think 350-400k would secure his services given he’s in the final year of his contract!

Would be less of a risk than maybe an unknown.

I know the talk of Nisbet is premature but can see it happening given the interest in January!


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[Souter96Mac]

If it's £4m+ for Nisbet I can't help feel that we would do well to take it. That being said we would need to be ambitious again with his replacement. As others have said a Shankland would be great if possible. Not sure who else is about in the lower divisions like Nisbet or Shankland were a few seasons ago either.

Not sure there are any players in the same vein of form as those two were. Zak Rudden is maybe one. Nowhere near in the same form as LS or KN, but I think he started at Rangers and has made his way to lower league Scottish football. Unless he kicks on big style, can't see him being at the same level

[04Sauzee]

Not sure there are any players in the same vein of form as those two were. Zak Rudden is maybe one. Nowhere near in the same form as LS or KN, but I think he started at Rangers and has made his way to lower league Scottish football. Unless he kicks on big style, can't see him being at the same level

Zak Rudden is the only one I can think of at the moment also. Big season for him cumming up.

[Hibernian Verse]

There is a St Johnstone fan account on Twitter posting that there are rumours that McCart has had a medical at Hibs? Not sure where these rumours are circulating tbh?

If you can't beat them, buy them :greengrin

[Unseen work]

Jack Ross previously signed McCart for St Mirren too…

Think he’s signing

[Centre Hawf]

Not sure there are any players in the same vein of form as those two were. Zak Rudden is maybe one. Nowhere near in the same form as LS or KN, but I think he started at Rangers and has made his way to lower league Scottish football. Unless he kicks on big style, can't see him being at the same level

Rudden has been very stop start so far with injuries, but by all accounts is rated by people who coach and play with him. So this season coming for him in the Championship would be a big one to see if he's up to it or not. Much like Shankland or Nibset have done. But taking him now would a bit of a gamble on a few levels.


Even after the Pars cut we have made a healthy profit. Shankland is 25 and I think he would be a very good replacement for Nisbet if and when he moves on. I think 350-400k would secure his services given he’s in the final year of his contract!

Would be less of a risk than maybe an unknown.

I know the talk of Nisbet is premature but can see it happening given the interest in January!

I agree that I think the odds are he'll leave this window, to give him his due he knuckled down and kept going after his move was knocked back in January and I think trying to hold onto him any longer with fair bids on the table might not be a great look when trying to attract players. If we could get Shankland for £500k and maybe a decent sell on fee I think Dundee United should take it (being bias obviously) because in 6 months time there's no guarantee they'll get anything for him when there's still a chance he could move from us for a couple of million if he replicated Nisbet's type of form here.

[HendoDelivered]

Wonder how many bodies we will actually look to bring in. 4/5 with 1 or 2 going out?

[Iggy Pope]

There is a St Johnstone fan account on Twitter posting that there are rumours that McCart has had a medical at Hibs? Not sure where these rumours are circulating tbh?

Surely they’re circulating on Twitter?

[Hibbyradge]

Surely they’re circulating on Twitter?

:tee hee:

[Billy Whizz]

What are we going to do with all this money, if we sell 2 of our 3 assets, and McGinn gets sold. There’s now way we’ll spend this on transfer fees, although we will need to bring quality insurance

[04Sauzee]

Surely they’re circulating on Twitter?

When I seen his post he was the only one talking about it or you searches for Jamie McCart or Hibs. So not as surely as you suggest.

[Iggy Pope]

When I seen his post he was the only one talking about it or you searches for Jamie McCart or Hibs. So not as surely as you suggest.

Well it was on Twitter and now it’s on here so it’s circulating right enough.

[04Sauzee]

Well it was on Twitter and now it’s on here so it’s circulating right enough.

Magic cheers

[Souter96Mac]

Should we sign McCart, how would we expect the defence to look this season?

Porteous/McGinn Hanlon McCart

Potentially the above, depending on what happens with Porto?

[AugustaHibs]

Zak rudden is a huge hibby and would jump at the chance of signing. I’d take the risk on him

[CapitalGreen]

Doidge 2019/20 - 19
Cummings 16/17 - 23
Cummings 15/16 - 25
Cummings 14/15 - 21
Griffiths 12/13 - 28
Stokes 09/10 - 23
Riordan 05/06 - 20
Riordan 04/05 - 23
Riordan 03/04 - 18

Had a look at our league performances in those seasons. Ignoring the seasons we were in the 2nd tier, our league finishes in seasons without an 18+ goalscorer were:

2018/19 - 5th
2017/18 - 4th**
2013/14 - 11th
2011/12 - 11th
2010/11 - 10th
2008/09 - 6th
2007/08 - 6th
2006/07 - 6th

*changed strikers midway through season. Murray and Stokes on 14 & 11 when they left.

[Hibbyradge]

Zak rudden is a huge hibby and would jump at the chance of signing. I’d take the risk on him

I'm a huge Hibby and I'd love to sign for Hibs. Mention my name to JR.

[CMurdoch]

What are we going to do with all this money, if we sell 2 of our 3 assets, and McGinn gets sold. There’s now way we’ll spend this on transfer fees, although we will need to bring quality insurance

Ron will build the full size covered pitch at HTC which will push up the value of the club which he will score a big chunk off when he sells up.

How much would such a thing cost? Ballpark figure anyone.

[AugustaHibs]

I'm a huge Hibby and I'd love to sign for Hibs. Mention my name to JR.

I’ll tell him in my nightly call, can you place holding midfield? ;)

[CMurdoch]

I'm a huge Hibby and I'd love to sign for Hibs. Mention my name to JR.

Probably not a runner if you are actually a huge Hibby :wink:

[Aldo]

Rudden has been very stop start so far with injuries, but by all accounts is rated by people who coach and play with him. So this season coming for him in the Championship would be a big one to see if he's up to it or not. Much like Shankland or Nibset have done. But taking him now would a bit of a gamble on a few levels.



I agree that I think the odds are he'll leave this window, to give him his due he knuckled down and kept going after his move was knocked back in January and I think trying to hold onto him any longer with fair bids on the table might not be a great look when trying to attract players. If we could get Shankland for £500k and maybe a decent sell on fee I think Dundee United should take it (being bias obviously) because in 6 months time there's no guarantee they'll get anything for him when there's still a chance he could move from us for a couple of million if he replicated Nisbet's type of form here.

Maybe JR and co have a replacement lined up however I think that LS would do a decent job for us.


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[BT58]

What are we going to do with all this money, if we sell 2 of our 3 assets, and McGinn gets sold. There’s now way we’ll spend this on transfer fees, although we will need to bring quality insurance

Fill in the corners and supply decent pies.
B

[brog]

I wish we wouldn't blithely talk about just going out & replacing players as if its the easiest thing in the world. Make us look like fans of the uglies. While Shankland would be an obvious replacement for Nisbet there's also some obvious obstacles in the way. Shankland may, like Nisbet, have his sights set on a higher level, at least in pay terms & regardless of his contract situation I can see Dundee Utd wanting at least £1m, particularly if we've cashed in on Kevin.

[Bostonhibby]

If you can't beat them, buy them :greengrin[emoji16] aye, but we do okay against st Mirren.

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[Aldo]

I wish we wouldn't blithely talk about just going out & replacing players as if its the easiest thing in the world. Make us look like fans of the uglies. While Shankland would be an obvious replacement for Nisbet there's also some obvious obstacles in the way. Shankland may, like Nisbet, have his sights set on a higher level, at least in pay terms & regardless of his contract situation I can see Dundee Utd wanting at least £1m, particularly if we've cashed in on Kevin.

I think replacing a striker is one if the hardest things to do. Especially in our price bracket.
All players are risks but Shankland would potentially be less of a risk given his previous goal scoring.

You maybe right Brog and he may have aspirations himself to move south or to a bigger club but I’d like to think we may have a chance if Nisbet moves on. Not sure I agree regarding the million pound though!


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[CentreLine]

Ron will build the full size covered pitch at HTC which will push up the value of the club which he will score a big chunk off when he sells up.

How much would such a thing cost? Ballpark figure anyone.

Apparently Toryglen was about £17m. Was that 10 years or more ago?

Mind you, that was the whole complex, complete with two outdoor and one indoor pitch.

[04Sauzee]

EXCLUSIVE: Dundee close in on signing of former Celtic striker Cillian Sheridan https://t.co/losUV2pGof https://t.co/t4pyg32Cqy

[Dmas]

Liam Kelly leaving QPR heading north according to allan Nixon on twitter Dundee Utd and Motherwell linked

[raeburnhibs]

Ron will build the full size covered pitch at HTC which will push up the value of the club which he will score a big chunk off when he sells up.

How much would such a thing cost? Ballpark figure anyone.

Full size pitch dimensions + ancillary areas (dressing rooms etc) x £1500-2000 per square metre

[TelaStella]

Zak Rudden is the only one I can think of at the moment also. Big season for him cumming up.

Hibs boy too. Certainly one to keep an eye on


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[04Sauzee]

Liam Kelly leaving QPR heading north according to allan Nixon on twitter Dundee Utd and Motherwell linked

EXCLUSIVE: Motherwell set to sign Liam Kelly on permanent transfer from QPR

https://t.co/fy55eFUURK https://t.co/8rqdAXc4lD

[Unseen work]

Liam Kelly on a permanent is a very good signing for Motherwell.

[CMurdoch]

EXCLUSIVE: Motherwell set to sign Liam Kelly on permanent transfer from QPR

https://t.co/fy55eFUURK https://t.co/8rqdAXc4lD

That would be a surprise.
Thought he would have stayed at QPR for the final year of his contract.
Would have to assume he was earning far more there than what he would get at Motherwell.

[brog]

I think replacing a striker is one if the hardest things to do. Especially in our price bracket.
All players are risks but Shankland would potentially be less of a risk given his previous goal scoring.

You maybe right Brog and he may have aspirations himself to move south or to a bigger club but I’d like to think we may have a chance if Nisbet moves on. Not sure I agree regarding the million pound though!


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Totally agree. I also agree Arabs probably won't get £1m but I bet they set that as a minimum price to start.

[Sioux]

Shankland scored 7 league goals last season.

We need better than him.

[Centre Hawf]

That would be a surprise.
Thought he would have stayed at QPR for the final year of his contract.
Would have to assume he was earning far more there than what he would get at Motherwell.

Unless QPR have agreed to give him some of his contract to leave now and he ultimately earns more money for the year and QPR spend less.

[Spudster]

Unless QPR have agreed to give him some of his contract to leave now and he ultimately earns more money for the year and QPR spend less.
I mentioned this a few pages back regarding Griffiths. QPR have to pay off his contract (or come to a settlement). That’s why transfer fees are higher when a player has more years left on his contract.
So if Nisbet moves for £3M hibs have to pay off the reminder of his contract.
It’s the same reason the likes of Alexis Shanchez and Bale can’t really be sold. No club can pay a fee remotely near what it would be to release them from their giant contract.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I mentioned this a few pages back regarding Griffiths. QPR have to pay off his contract (or come to a settlement). That’s why transfer fees are higher when a player has more years left on his contract.
So if Nisbet moves for £3M hibs have to pay off the reminder of his contract.
It’s the same reason the likes of Alexis Shanchez and Bale can’t really be sold. No club can pay a fee remotely near what it would be to release them from their giant contract.

That would only work where the player is losing out. For instance if Nisbet has 3 years left at 2k a week at Hibs and then gets offered 8k a week at qpr for 3 years there is no settlement required as it benefits the player. If we had accepted an offer from raith and they could only offer 1k a week a settlement would likely be needed. Case by case basis.

However it is one of the big things that results in old
firm players and lower league English players being worth more as the value of their contract is higher.


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[Aldo]

Shankland scored 7 league goals last season.

We need better than him.

That’s in an average Utd team though. Both have scored goals at a lower level however I do wonder how many goals Shankland would have scored for us last season given the same number of chances as Nisbet!

All speculation mind however I think Shankland could do a job for us!


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[Greenworld]

Dunfermline fans think 30%, but who knows
30% is a fair chunk of a transfer fee
Had a look at our league performances in those seasons. Ignoring the seasons we were in the 2nd tier, our league finishes in seasons without an 18+ goalscorer were:

2018/19 - 5th
2017/18 - 4th**
2013/14 - 11th
2011/12 - 11th
2010/11 - 10th
2008/09 - 6th
2007/08 - 6th
2006/07 - 6th

*changed strikers midway through season. Murray and Stokes on 14 & 11 when they left.
Maybe JR and co have a replacement lined up however I think that LS would do a decent job for us.


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That would only work where the player is losing out. For instance if Nisbet has 3 years left at 2k a week at Hibs and then gets offered 8k a week at qpr for 3 years there is no settlement required as it benefits the player. If we had accepted an offer from raith and they could only offer 1k a week a settlement would likely be needed. Case by case basis.

However it is one of the big things that results in old
firm players and lower league English players being worth more as the value of their contract is higher.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNisbet also handed in a transfer request i would imagine that changes things

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[Aldo]

Nisbet also handed in a transfer request i would imagine that changes things

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Think it might but not certain!


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[AlbertK86]

Zak rudden is a huge hibby and would jump at the chance of signing. I’d take the risk on him

was he not at Hibs as a young boy and Rangers lured him through when about 15


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[Since452]

Nisbet also handed in a transfer request i would imagine that changes things

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I hope he hasn't. If he has then he needs to realise that unless it's not a good deal for the club he won't be going anywhere.

[Greenworld]

I hope he hasn't. If he has then he needs to realise that unless it's not a good deal for the club he won't be going anywhere.He did when the january bid came in

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[CapitalGreen]

was he not at Hibs as a young boy and Rangers lured him through when about 15


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I’m not sure he was, you’re maybe thinking of Josh McPake.

[04Sauzee]

Alan Nixon tweets

MK DONS. Inquiry for Shankland at DUNDEE UNITED. Fee to high. Contract running out. May come back on later or next window.

[Souter96Mac]

Alan Nixon tweets

MK DONS. Inquiry for Shankland at DUNDEE UNITED. Fee to high. Contract running out. May come back on later or next window.

I wonder if that may force our hand at all - if Shankland is a credible replacement the club are looking at if KN leaves.

[Since452]

He did when the january bid came in

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Aww right. Thought you ment he'd done it again

[Dmas]

I wonder if that may force our hand at all - if Shankland is a credible replacement the club are looking at if KN leaves.

I’m not convinced by shankland tbh he’s had a couple of tries in the big league and not really made much of an impression yet Nisbet does at his first time of asking, I think if we’re spending money especially the type that it would take for utd to sell him we could get better for it.

[Heisenberg]

JAMIE McCART is being chased by SIX clubs after his stunning season at St Johnstone.

Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, Nottingham Forest, Barnsley and Premiership rivals Hibs all want the defender.

But SunSport understands Belgian club Royale Union Saint-Gilloise have entered the race too.

They have clinched promotion back to Belgium's top flight for the first time in 48 years and are ready to pounce.

Hibs boss Jack Ross is a keen admirer of McCart but the Easter Road club's opening bid, in the region of £200,000 was rejected.

But they are believed to be planning a second offer in an attempt to secure McCart's services.

[04Sauzee]

JAMIE McCART is being chased by SIX clubs after his stunning season at St Johnstone.

Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, Nottingham Forest, Barnsley and Premiership rivals Hibs all want the defender.

But SunSport understands Belgian club Royale Union Saint-Gilloise have entered the race too.

They have clinched promotion back to Belgium's top flight for the first time in 48 years and are ready to pounce.

Hibs boss Jack Ross is a keen admirer of McCart but the Easter Road club's opening bid, in the region of £200,000 was rejected.

But they are believed to be planning a second offer in an attempt to secure McCart's services.

I'd be surprised if Sheffield Wednesday could afford the transfer fee tbh. Does look like there will be some interest in him. St J team could look much different next season.

[Aldo]

I’m not convinced by shankland tbh he’s had a couple of tries in the big league and not really made much of an impression yet Nisbet does at his first time of asking, I think if we’re spending money especially the type that it would take for utd to sell him we could get better for it.

Nisbet whilst a bit younger flunked at Patrick Thistle whilst they were in the Premier League so not his first attempt.

As for Shankland he’s scored 82 goals in 4 seasons. 50 at Ayr and 32 at Utd.

Utd are kidding themselves on if they think they’ll get anywhere near a million pound for LS with a year left on his contract!

If Shankland could be bought for say £500k who would you look to buy for that kind of money whose scored goals like him? Yes he’s only scored 7 or so goals last season but I really think in the right team he would score loads!


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[calumhibee1]

Nisbet whilst a bit younger flunked at Patrick Thistle whilst they were in the Premier League so not his first attempt.

As for Shankland he’s scored 82 goals in 4 seasons. 50 at Ayr and 32 at Utd.

Utd are kidding themselves on if they think they’ll get anywhere near a million pound for LS with a year left on his contract!

If Shankland could be bought for say £500k who would you look to buy for that kind of money whose scored goals like him? Yes he’s only scored 7 or so goals last season but I really think in the right team he would score loads!


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Likewise.

Tin hat on but I actually think in a good team Shankland would be better than Nisbet. I think he’s every bit as good a goal scorer and his all round game is better.

[Aldo]

Likewise.

Tin hat on but I actually think in a good team Shankland would be better than Nisbet. I think he’s every bit as good a goal scorer and his all round game is better.

No tin hat required.

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread wondering how many goals LS would have scored compared to KN in our team last season?

All speculation of course.

If Nisbet does leave I would look to invest some of that money towards LS


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[Greenworld]

Aww right. Thought you ment he'd done it againDont know if origional request was ever withdrawn

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[Greenworld]

Im warming to the the thought of some sort of deal with celtic with LG coming to Hibs.
Would something like 3.5 million and LG be a good deal for us?
I think so .

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[bigwheel]

Im warming to the the thought of some sort of deal with celtic with LG coming to Hibs.
Would something like 3.5 million and LG be a good deal for us?
I think so .

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I’d reckon a fit and healthy LG would get game time for Celtic before Nisbet…would be very surprised if this sort of deal was on the table

[neil7908]

Im warming to the the thought of some sort of deal with celtic with LG coming to Hibs.
Would something like 3.5 million and LG be a good deal for us?
I think so .

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Why do you think this is even a possibility if I can ask?

For me, Leigh has clearly signalled his desire to stay at Celtic and having just signed a new deal days ago, I can't see any reason why he would suddenly move to Hibs for substantially less money.

I'm sure in 6 months we'll be back speculating again but ship has sailed this summer imo.

[superfurryhibby]

Why do you think this is even a possibility if I can ask?

For me, Leigh has clearly signalled his desire to stay at Celtic and having just signed a new deal days ago, I can't see any reason why he would suddenly move to Hibs for substantially less money.

I'm sure in 6 months we'll be back speculating again but ship has sailed this summer imo.

I'm a bit baffled by how people can be bothered with this kind of speculation too. It's clearly not happening and we should just let it go.....until next summer at least.

[Callum_62]

I'd definately take Shankland if that's at all possible

Think he's a far better player than he's credited with

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[brog]

Shankland scored 7 league goals last season.

We need better than him.

Doidge scored 7 league goals last season in a better team.

[MWHIBBIES]

Why do you think this is even a possibility if I can ask?

For me, Leigh has clearly signalled his desire to stay at Celtic and having just signed a new deal days ago, I can't see any reason why he would suddenly move to Hibs for substantially less money.

I'm sure in 6 months we'll be back speculating again but ship has sailed this summer imo.

There hasn't been 1 good source linking Griffiths to Hibs for probably 6 years, yet folk still go on and on. It's a bit sad now, like the last 2 years of his career really

[Bangkok Hibby]

Likewise.

Tin hat on but I actually think in a good team Shankland would be better than Nisbet. I think he’s every bit as good a goal scorer and his all round game is better.

I've always thought that.

[Ozyhibby]

There hasn't been 1 good source linking Griffiths to Hibs for probably 6 years, yet folk still go on and on. It's a bit sad now, like the last 2 years of his career really

Even worse is that him signing a new contract with Celtic appears to be an obvious sign he is signing for Hibs? Some people live in a fantasy world.


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[Brightside]

I mentioned this a few pages back regarding Griffiths. QPR have to pay off his contract (or come to a settlement). That’s why transfer fees are higher when a player has more years left on his contract.
So if Nisbet moves for £3M hibs have to pay off the reminder of his contract.
It’s the same reason the likes of Alexis Shanchez and Bale can’t really be sold. No club can pay a fee remotely near what it would be to release them from their giant contract.
The buying team pays the contract.

[Brightside]

Im warming to the the thought of some sort of deal with celtic with LG coming to Hibs.
Would something like 3.5 million and LG be a good deal for us?
I think so .

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It’s not going to happen.

[3pm]

Why did Steve Clarke take Nisbet to the Euros if Shankland has a better all round game?

[bingo70]

Why did Steve Clarke take Nisbet to the Euros if Shankland has a better all round game?

Nisbet was in better form?

Maybe people just disagree with Clarke?

[3pm]

Nisbet was in better form?

Maybe people just disagree with Clarke?

Maybe Nisbet is just better.

[04Sauzee]

Maybe Nisbet is just better.

Would Nisbet have been there if the likes of McBurnie was fit? I'm not having McBurnie being better.

[Wilson]

Maybe Nisbet is just better.

That is where I'm at.

Shankland has been most prolific at championship level. Nisbet built on his championship performances in his first season at the higher level.

I can understand why people would back Shankland to score more with better service. He is capable. I'd sooner back Nisbet to improve further though.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Apparently Toryglen was about £17m. Was that 10 years or more ago?

Mind you, that was the whole complex, complete with two outdoor and one indoor pitch.

...and included to cost of the land. Basically we would be talking about a warehouse with a plastic pitch. About £2m

[WhileTheChief..]

I always assumed the Griffiths chat was just a running joke on here.

He's more likely to end up at Dundee than Hibs!

[calumhibee1]

Why did Steve Clarke take Nisbet to the Euros if Shankland has a better all round game?

Cause Steve Clarke has a different opinion and Nisbet has had a better season?

[Smartie]

I don't know much about Shankland but even whilst having a good season, Nisbet has been very hot and cold.

He was awful for a spell around Christmas (before he was linked with his move away) and other than the odd goal here and there, he had a fairly quiet second half to the season.

I actually thought we played our best stuff of the season when he was out the side, Boyle was up front, Cadden was on the right and McGregor was in the team in place of Porteous. It only lasted maybe 3 or 4 games and may have also coincided with us getting a wee bounce as Irvine came in and played in midfield (Newell may have been out the team at that point as well) so it may have been any number of factors that contributed more significantly than Nisbet being out the team.

I guess that's why I'm fairly relaxed about losing certain players at this stage, whereas in the past we've had indispensable figures who we'd have been lost without (Boyle, Hanlon and Doidge are probably the closest we've got right now).