Summer 2021-22 transfer thread

[Billy Whizz]

Perhaps its not happening now? Is there not a cut off regarding registration for the wknd?

It’s probably been done, just not announced

[Andy74]

Perhaps its not happening now? Is there not a cut off regarding registration for the wknd?

Are you suggesting we wouldn’t bother with a season long loan if we couldn’t get it done by this weekend’s game?

[JimBHibees]

Football nowadays is all about mobility, fluidity and adaptability. Look at Man U, no one would describe Rashford, Greenwood or Martial as out and out strikers or target men. Who cares, they're brilliant! We're already playing with fluidity this season with players like Boyle, Nisbet, Murphy and Magennis popping up all over the place. Let's not pigeon hole James Scott and worry about whether he's a wide player or a target man. He's a fine, promising young player who hopefully will bring something new to the ER party.

Couldn't agree more.

[Ronniekirk]

Maybe it’s clear the American guy isn’t coming till December and he is stop gap till he gets up to speed
But assume once official statement confirms he has signed we will them get a feel from Ross on how he sees him fitting in
McGinnis if fit was always going to be an asset But even Riss wouldn’t have expected him to score as many so quickly
Assume this guy e we I’ll need to get match fit so will need game time and let’s see what happens
Re Griffiths If he was match fit in form and his head was in right place it would be a no brainier ,as he would score goals and for a small guy scores a lot of headers
But he isn’t as far as I can see so not sure it would be right move at this point unless we had a Rich benefactor paying his wages


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[Hibiza]

Has he not ( James Scott ) signed yet ?

[SMAXXA]

Are you suggesting we wouldn’t bother with a season long loan if we couldn’t get it done by this weekend’s game?

That’s not how I read it to be fair

[Stuart93]

Are you suggesting we wouldn’t bother with a season long loan if we couldn’t get it done by this weekend’s game?

How’ve you taken that from what the poster said?

He obviously meant a cut off from when they can be included in the squad for Sunday

[Andy74]

How’ve you taken that from what the poster said?

He obviously meant a cut off from when they can be included in the squad for Sunday

Yeah and the ‘perhaps it is not happening’ bit and linking it to the fact there’s a cut off this weekend. How was that meant to be read?

[Del Boy]

Dundee Utd make a couple of signings, 2 young players but sound promising- both full internationals

[Callum_62]

Dundee Utd make a couple of signings, 2 young players but sound promising- both full internationals

From Dundee Utds official website:
"The 23-year-old, who has been capped six times for his country scoring once, is a winger who can operate on both flanks.

Having played the majority of his career in his native Finland, 'Immi' made 143 appearances for KuPS, scoring 13 goals and being named the Veikkausliiga Player of the Month in July 2020 having scored in every game that month.

He would make the move to Germany in September 2020 when he signed for FC Ingolstadt 04 in Bundesliga"

The reference to player of the month July 2020 is kind of odd, isn't it? [emoji23]

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[ahibby]

Yeah and the ‘perhaps it is not happening’ bit and linking it to the fact there’s a cut off this weekend. How was that meant to be read?

Or perhaps he meant its not happening now but later ie next week?

[ahibby]

From Dundee Utds official website:
"The 23-year-old, who has been capped six times for his country scoring once, is a winger who can operate on both flanks.

Having played the majority of his career in his native Finland, 'Immi' made 143 appearances for KuPS, scoring 13 goals and being named the Veikkausliiga Player of the Month in July 2020 having scored in every game that month.

He would make the move to Germany in September 2020 when he signed for FC Ingolstadt 04 in Bundesliga"

The reference to player of the month July 2020 is kind of odd, isn't it? [emoji23]

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I have a feeling they will be good this year. The more quality in the league the better.

[Sean1875]

Dundee Utd make a couple of signings, 2 young players but sound promising- both full internationals

Getting money for Shankland and also his wage bill off the books could prove to be very useful for them, interesting to see how they do this year


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[Stuart93]

Yeah and the ‘perhaps it is not happening’ bit and linking it to the fact there’s a cut off this weekend. How was that meant to be read?

It’s alright mate, there’s no harm in just admitting you read into it incorrectly

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1428798092795650051?s=21


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[Greencore]

Loving the Ron Gordon effect.

[Andy74]

It’s alright mate, there’s no harm in just admitting you read into it incorrectly

I read it as it was written.

[theonlywayisup]

Good news re Scott.

However, the injury to Doidge, Boyle extending his contract and Scott signing has sort of deflected attention from addressing the need for better quality defenders. Anyone know what's the latest in getting some in.

[Davy Mac]

Loving the Ron Gordon effect.

Correct, it's a bit easier when we have a bit more financial swagger and of course, courage

[ancient hibee]

Good news re Scott.

However, the injury to Doidge, Boyle extending his contract and Scott signing has sort of deflected attention from addressing the need for better quality defenders. Anyone know what's the latest in getting some in.

Don't know but one of our alleged targets gave away a totally stupid penalty last night.

[Since452]

Don't know but one of our alleged targets gave away a totally stupid penalty last night.

McCart is no better than what we have. In fact I don't think he's as good as what we have.

[Block]

Football nowadays is all about mobility, fluidity and adaptability. Look at Man U, no one would describe Rashford, Greenwood or Martial as out and out strikers or target men. Who cares, they're brilliant! We're already playing with fluidity this season with players like Boyle, Nisbet, Murphy and Magennis popping up all over the place. Let's not pigeon hole James Scott and worry about whether he's a wide player or a target man. He's a fine, promising young player who hopefully will bring something new to the ER party.

:top marks

These days its all about the simple basics of being able to control the ball, sharp passing, mobility, intelligent running off the ball etc. The lump up the park and back again has thankfully seen its day. We could though do with replacing the likes of dinosaur referees like Bobby Madden who still seem stuck in the past of obvious bias and dinosaur mindset for much more intelligent progressive refs who seek to protect ball players and the skillful. The likes of Madden should be put to rest also.

[easty]

I’m well aware I’ve been saying I’d rather have Griffiths over Scott, but I’m fully behind James Scott now he’s here, just like every player who pulls on the green!

[Ronniekirk]

Good news re Scott.

However, the injury to Doidge, Boyle extending his contract and Scott signing has sort of deflected attention from addressing the need for better quality defenders. Anyone know what's the latest in getting some in.

Hanlon will be back and Doig is still with us
But Centre Half will be next signing


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[Unseen work]

McCart is no better than what we have. In fact I don't think he's as good as what we have.

I think he’s a good player but with St Johnstone a big part of it is the system.

McCart, Gordon and Kerr are so so we’ll protected. They have Rooney and Booth at wing backs who let’s be honest, are full backs. Then McCann and Craig/Davidson sat infringe of them

They are absolutely solid and play as a unit.

It’s a different ball game at Hibs, we’ll have more of the ball and be a lot more expansive.

[bingo70]

Good news re Scott.

However, the injury to Doidge, Boyle extending his contract and Scott signing has sort of deflected attention from addressing the need for better quality defenders. Anyone know what's the latest in getting some in.

I’m probably in the minority but I don’t really see a great need for another defender.

I can’t see us getting better than Hanlon or Porteous on our budget. If they get injured I think Daz is perfectly adequate, even if he did struggle in his last game, if he’s injured then Mcginn can play there too, as can Gogic if push comes to shove.

Obviously Ross has said we are after another defender so I’m probably wrong, I just don’t really see where a new central defender fits in.

[Hibee Mac]

I think he’s a good player but with St Johnstone a big part of it is the system.

McCart, Gordon and Kerr are so so we’ll protected. They have Rooney and Booth at wing backs who let’s be honest, are full backs. Then McCann and Craig/Davidson sat infringe of them

They are absolutely solid and play as a unit.

It’s a different ball game at Hibs, we’ll have more of the ball and be a lot more expansive.Totally agree with this. St Johnstone get results by playing a certain style of football, one which is far from easy on the eye.

Take any single player out of their team (bar McCann maybe) and they would not stand out in most top 6 teams in the country. However, they are hard working and play their system well.

That does not lend itself well to Hibs signing their players, believing the 'hype' and then realising they are not as good as we thought they were. You don't have to look far into our past to see how many absolute flops we've signed from St Johnstone, or players who look good in their side but have been below average for us in the past.

[SloopJB]

Found a fiver today.
Bloody annoyed, I wanted a tenner.

[Davy Mac]

Found a fiver today.
Bloody annoyed, I wanted a tenner.

Its a bit like the old half full versus half empty types eh?

[SloopJB]

Its a bit like the old half full versus half empty types eh?
Definitely more every day.

[Onceinawhile]

I’m probably in the minority but I don’t really see a great need for another defender.

I can’t see us getting better than Hanlon or Porteous on our budget. If they get injured I think Daz is perfectly adequate, even if he did struggle in his last game, if he’s injured then Mcginn can play there too, as can Gogic if push comes to shove.

Obviously Ross has said we are after another defender so I’m probably wrong, I just don’t really see where a new central defender fits in.

Really?

8 days after we had Porto and gogic in Central defence you can't understand why we need another centre half?

[bingo70]

Really?

8 days after we had Porto and gogic in Central defence you can't understand why we need another centre half?

That was after the replacement centre half was sent off mid way through the game. That’s going to be pretty rare.

We’re going to sign another one so don’t worry, I just don’t think we will sign anyone that’ll displace Hanlon or Porteous. If we’re signing someone to sit on the bench, I’m not that convinced we’ll get much better than Daz either for that role.

[SMAXXA]

McCart is no better than what we have. In fact I don't think he's as good as what we have.

Funny I’ve seen a few of these sorts of comments since he gave away a penalty the other night 😂 never fails to amaze me how nee jerk some people are (not saying you are you may have seen him plenty times to form that view).

[Smartie]

That was after the replacement centre half was sent off mid way through the game. That’s going to be pretty rare.

We’re going to sign another one so don’t worry, I just don’t think we will sign anyone that’ll displace Hanlon or Porteous. If we’re signing someone to sit on the bench, I’m not that convinced we’ll get much better than Daz either for that role.

Longer term I'd probably prefer for us to take an 18 or 19 year old discarded by a bigger club and try to grow them into the player we need to play that position.

I don't tend to disagree with your point, but I did think that we got caught with our pants down in Croatia, and it sounds that in spite of him being part of the first team squad, Brydon doesn't appear to have the trust of Ross to be utilised much yet.

We have managed to find pretty decent players to play that position either short or long-term since we were relegated - Fonts, Gunnarsson, Adam Jackson, McGregor, Ambrose - all in addition to the good players who have come through our ranks in Hanlon and Porteous.

We've also had the odd decent shift from fullbacks playing makeshift roles there.

It's a tough one though - the first choice players are strong, and it would be a big ask to get someone who we'd actually want to join to come along and be an understudy.

[Nicho87]

Ross said he still expects movement both in an out before window closes.

Would like another forward player but priority is centre half.

[GreenCastle]

What’s the latest with Hallberg ?

[bingo70]

Longer term I'd probably prefer for us to take an 18 or 19 year old discarded by a bigger club and try to grow them into the player we need to play that position.

I don't tend to disagree with your point, but I did think that we got caught with our pants down in Croatia, and it sounds that in spite of him being part of the first team squad, Brydon doesn't appear to have the trust of Ross to be utilised much yet.

We have managed to find pretty decent players to play that position either short or long-term since we were relegated - Fonts, Gunnarsson, Adam Jackson, McGregor, Ambrose - all in addition to the good players who have come through our ranks in Hanlon and Porteous.

We've also had the odd decent shift from fullbacks playing makeshift roles there.

It's a tough one though - the first choice players are strong, and it would be a big ask to get someone who we'd actually want to join to come along and be an understudy.

I agree completely with your first paragraph, well most of it, the young defender bit, there’s players slightly older than that, that would fit the mould of what I’m looking for.

Imo that’s the sort of centre half I’d like to see us signing. Someone young with lots of potential but probably not expecting to play 35-40 games this season.

I personally don’t see the point in paying money for someone like McCart who will cost a lot, rightly demand high wages if we’re paying a decent fee for him and understandably expect to play every week. We’d need to go to a back 3 to accommodate a signing like that I think and I don’t think that’s our best formation.

FWIW there’s been a few things I’ve criticised Jack Ross for since taking over but his recruitment for the most part has been outstanding so i trust him completely to know what he’s doing, I personally just don’t see it and I don’t really crave us signing a new top class centre half.

[Crab apple]

[QUOTE=Nicho87;6663242]Ross said he still expects movement both in an out before window closes.

Lessers still interested in KN and if true I suspect he would be keen.

[King Cosell]

I don't think Hibs will win the league, if I did I'd put money on it, but for the first time in my life I think it's possible. That's progress.

[CMurdoch]

What’s the latest with Hallberg ?

Dislocated kneecap in training a month ago so we won't be seeing him for a while

[Unseen work]

Bradley, Brydon and Campbell will go out on loan
Gullan and Wright will be ‘sold’ or leave

Hallberg would have left if it wasn’t for his injury.

Sean Mackie? Seems to be injured forever without really knowing why or much updates being provided

Another 2 to come in id say. Centre half and striker.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think he’s a good player but with St Johnstone a big part of it is the system.

McCart, Gordon and Kerr are so so we’ll protected. They have Rooney and Booth at wing backs who let’s be honest, are full backs. Then McCann and Craig/Davidson sat infringe of them

They are absolutely solid and play as a unit.

It’s a different ball game at Hibs, we’ll have more of the ball and be a lot more expansive.

Rooney is a pretty dreadful defender IMO. A few important headers last season have made people think he is good. He is a big donkey.

[SMAXXA]

Rooney is a pretty dreadful defender IMO. A few important headers last season have made people think he is good. He is a big donkey.

Disagree i think that’s pretty harsh lol he’s a good player IMO even without those 2 headers to win the cups

[CMurdoch]

Rooney is a pretty dreadful defender IMO. A few important headers last season have made people think he is good. He is a big donkey.

I reckon Kerr is the real deal and the other guys around him are just a bit shiny but whatever our recruitment guys decide is okay by me given the run of success they are on

[Unseen work]

Fwiw despite my previous post I do think Kerr and McCart are very good.

McCart is a good defender, good in the air and very comfortable on the ball which is probably a reason we’re keen on getting him in as he can play passes through gaps and under pressure.

Kerr doesn’t need much of a description but I think we’ll be well priced out a move for him. Double cup winner and goals against Galatasary will have made a lot of clubs aware.

I agree about Rooney fwiw, I think the couple of headers he scored has boosted people’s opinions of him. He played for ICT against us the season prior and no one was raving about him.

[RIP Bestie]

Disagree i think that’s pretty harsh lol he’s a good player IMO even without those 2 headers to win the cups

He is *****.

[RIP Bestie]

He is *****.

Rhymes with light

[Wilson]

I don't think Hibs will win the league, if I did I'd put money on it, but for the first time in my life I think it's possible. That's progress.

Or a sign you're losing your marbles. We would need significant on field investment just to challenge - never mind win it.

We don't have the depth of squad to string a few European ties together? How is our depth going to hold up over a season?

We'll be doing well if we can get third again. A league win isn't remotely possible.

[hibee316]

That was after the replacement centre half was sent off mid way through the game. That’s going to be pretty rare.

We’re going to sign another one so don’t worry, I just don’t think we will sign anyone that’ll displace Hanlon or Porteous. If we’re signing someone to sit on the bench, I’m not that convinced we’ll get much better than Daz either for that role.

I disagree with you. I think Daz will do okay in some games, but if teams play quickly through the middle, he doesn't have the pace anymore, and leaves us incredibly exposed.

We already play an open game, meaning our defenders at times will be exposed so they need to be sharp.

Happy to be proved wrong by him, but a player at his age who isn't playing regularly (which he probably won't be) is going to struggle with match sharpness. So, what we saw in the rijeka game is likely to happen again.

[SMAXXA]

Or a sign you're losing your marbles. We would need significant on field investment just to challenge - never mind win it.

We don't have the depth of squad to string a few European ties together? How is our depth going to hold up over a season?

We'll be doing well if we can get third again. A league win isn't remotely possible.

I think your missing the point he’s trying to make I don’t think he expects or thinks we will win the league

[SMAXXA]

He is *****.

He really isn’t, no saying he’s class but he’s no *****. Doesn’t matter we arnt in for him anyway

[bingo70]

I disagree with you. I think Daz will do okay in some games, but if teams play quickly through the middle, he doesn't have the pace anymore, and leaves us incredibly exposed.

We already play an open game, meaning our defenders at times will be exposed so they need to be sharp.

Happy to be proved wrong by him, but a player at his age who isn't playing regularly (which he probably won't be) is going to struggle with match sharpness. So, what we saw in the rijeka game is likely to happen again.

You might be right, it just seems to me Daz has been written off because of one bad game. At the end of last season there was a huge clamour for him to replace Porteous for the cup final.

FWIW I’m not saying we shouldn’t sign another central defender, I just don’t think when we do sign one it needs to be someone costing a lot of money or someone that’ll necessarily go straight into the first team. A young, up and coming player with potential but probably not expecting to play 25-40 games this season would be my preference.

[hibee316]

You might be right, it just seems to me Daz has been written off because of one bad game. At the end of last season there was a huge clamour for him to replace Porteous for the cup final.

FWIW I’m not saying we shouldn’t sign another central defender, I just don’t think when we do sign one it needs to be someone costing a lot of money or someone that’ll necessarily go straight into the first team. A young, up and coming player with potential but probably not expecting to play 25-40 games this season would be my preference.

We are also not going to be playing the quality of rijeka ever week (and definitely not in that heat!), they moved the ball around so well at pace. Worst type of game for Daz.

[CentreLine]

I’ll be interested to see how Lee Ashcroft performs against us tomorrow. I really rate him as a defender and he is a threat at set plays too. Maybe doesn’t fit our profile since he is about 27 but worth a look in my view

[Since452]

We are also not going to be playing the quality of rijeka ever week (and definitely not in that heat!), they moved the ball around so well at pace. Worst type of game for Daz.

Agreed. They were technically very good. Stretched our players with their quick passing deliberately in the heat. That's what I was saying about teams like that being a bit more streetwise than us. Only way we'll learn is to get right back in Europe next season.

[Since90+2]

Agreed. They were technically very good. Stretched our players with their quick passing deliberately in the heat. That's what I was saying about teams like that being a bit more streetwise than us. Only way we'll learn is to get right back in Europe next season.

They only stretched us when we went down to 10 men. We were the better team at the point of the sending off. They were decent technically, nothing more than that.

[hibee316]

They only stretched us when we went down to 10 men. We were the better team at the point of the sending off. They were decent technically, nothing more than that.

In comparison with our league I would say "very good" rather than "decent", with regards to technical ability.

We finished third, and it was a very even tie over the whole. They would finish top 3 or 4 here. IMO

[theonlywayisup]

It's pretty obvious to me that if your planning for the short to medium term that we should start to get in defenders now! Whether that is someone to come in now and be a first name on the teamsheet or someone that starts on the subs bench and works towards the first team is a secondary point, the main point is that we need players to come in now!

We've got Porto and Doig who could be away in a matter of days, whether that is this week or in January - when it happens we will not have much time to react. Yes, we could wait until there are serious bids being tendered before we look at replacements, but that then makes our strategy a reactive one. We run the risk of having unfit / ageing / poor players coming in.

We could promote from the development team, but if there was the next Porto / Doig there we would have seen them by now.

Aside from Porto and Doig, we're then reliant on a back four of McGinn, Daz, Hanlon and Stevenson. In the vast majority of games, that defence perform very well and individually are the sort of players that the majority of our league teams would be happy with. There are not many players in other (non-Old Firm) teams that you would say are much better than that four. However, there are signs that their form is starting to deteriorate, individually. It is my opinion that we need a couple of players to come in and provide back-up and eventually become the first team regular. But, we need to chose wisely.

[hibee316]

It's pretty obvious to me that if your planning for the short to medium term that we should start to get in defenders now! Whether that is someone to come in now and be a first name on the teamsheet or someone that starts on the subs bench and works towards the first team is a secondary point, the main point is that we need players to come in now!

We've got Porto and Doig who could be away in a matter of days, whether that is this week or in January - when it happens we will not have much time to react. Yes, we could wait until there are serious bids being tendered before we look at replacements, but that then makes our strategy a reactive one. We run the risk of having unfit / ageing / poor players coming in.

We could promote from the development team, but if there was the next Porto / Doig there we would have seen them by now.

Aside from Porto and Doig, we're then reliant on a back four of McGinn, Daz, Hanlon and Stevenson. In the vast majority of games, that defence perform very well and individually are the sort of players that the majority of our league teams would be happy with. There are not many players in other (non-Old Firm) teams that you would say are much better than that four. However, there are signs that their form is starting to deteriorate, individually. It is my opinion that we need a couple of players to come in and provide back-up and eventually become the first team regular. But, we need to chose wisely.

Players who are backup now but would be first team if Doig or Porto go? The budget for that would be ridiculous and is not where we are at as a club right now. IMO.

If Porto or Daz go, the money we make from sales and savings in wages is what will pay for suitable replacements.

We will also have youngsters who may one day step up, but that is always going to be hit or miss.

[Allant1981]

We are also not going to be playing the quality of rijeka ever week (and definitely not in that heat!), they moved the ball around so well at pace. Worst type of game for Daz.

The quality? They only improved when daz was semt off and we were much better in the 1st leg than them

[#2 Double Tap]

it's a rb and lcb that we need- to be starters along side porto and doig.

if either of them is sold then we should look to find their replacements, until then moving mcginn and hanlon to back up squad players, like we have done with mcgregor and stevenson should be the priority for the defence imo.

[hibee316]

The quality? They only improved when daz was semt off and we were much better in the 1st leg than them

Quality in comparison with teams in our league. As I've said it was an even tie all in, and I'd put rikeja as a top 4 team. That's leaves 8 teams in our league who they have better quality than.

[SMAXXA]

it's a rb and lcb that we need- to be starters along side porto and doig.

if either of them is sold then we should look to find their replacements, until then moving mcginn and hanlon to back up squad players, like we have done with mcgregor and stevenson should be the priority for the defence imo.

We don’t need a right back, we have PM and Cadden, can play a 3 at the back and have Boyle or Wright as wing backs

[hibee316]

We don’t need a right back, we have PM and Cadden, can play a 3 at the back and have Boyle or Wright as wing backs

Has there been any updates on Caddens return?!

[SMAXXA]

Has there been any updates on Caddens return?!

Yeah he’s back in training, not full training yet I don’t believe but back on the grass and due to start training properly pretty soon

[Allant1981]

Quality in comparison with teams in our league. As I've said it was an even tie all in, and I'd put rikeja as a top 4 team. That's leaves 8 teams in our league who they have better quality than.

I personally didnt see it, they were a good team but top 4, dont think so

[#2 Double Tap]

We don’t need a right back, we have PM and Cadden, can play a 3 at the back and have Boyle or Wright as wing backs

we could, but cadden seems injured forever and it looks like ross is building a squad to play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, plus I want boyle playing in the forward positions (wide right or striker) and wright shouldnt be anywhere near our 1st team squad.

[Since452]

I personally didnt see it, they were a good team but top 4, dont think so

Surprising you don't think a team that are always in the Europa League group stages wouldn't be top four in our league.

[Since90+2]

In comparison with our league I would say "very good" rather than "decent", with regards to technical ability.

We finished third, and it was a very even tie over the whole. They would finish top 3 or 4 here. IMO

If they were very good technically we would have seen that at ER. They were below average in that game and we really should have won by 2 or 3 goals.

They only got the upper hand in the tie when we were a man down.

[theonlywayisup]

Surprising you don't think a team that are always in the Europa League group stages wouldn't be top four in our league.

"Past performance is no guarantee of future results".

Think the Rijeka fan said that they were in transition - the team that we played over two legs wouldn't be top four in our league. This may come across as a daft comment, but after 20 minutes of the Ross County game I commented that RC looked a better team than Rijeka. Rijeka were just lucky that we didn't hit them with the three goals in 10 minutes form.

[GloryGlory]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/wolves-star-samuels-chased-by-three-clubs-sources/

Another loan striker linked. Seemingly faster than a fast thing.

[Greenworld]

We don’t need a right back, we have PM and Cadden, can play a 3 at the back and have Boyle or Wright as wing backsDisagree on that one Paul seems to have gone down a gear. His passing is atrocious at times and the number of crosses coming in from his side is worrying. Agree Cadden could possibly play right back I don't know if he ever has? [emoji848]

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[theonlywayisup]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/wolves-star-samuels-chased-by-three-clubs-sources/

Another loan striker linked. Seemingly faster than a fast thing.

:hmmm: interesting

[Just Alf]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/wolves-star-samuels-chased-by-three-clubs-sources/

Another loan striker linked. Seemingly faster than a fast thing.For some reason hearing about another LOAN player gives me the fear... :-/

[Crab apple]

For some reason hearing about another LOAN player gives me the fear... :-/

Hopefully not a sign that Nisbet is leaving.

[SMAXXA]

Disagree on that one Paul seems to have gone down a gear. His passing is atrocious at times and the number of crosses coming in from his side is worrying. Agree Cadden could possibly play right back I don't know if he ever has? [emoji848]

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We aren’t going to sign another right back and carry 3/4 players that can realistically play there we will quite rightly put the money elsewhere. I agree Mcginn hasn’t been great recently but seen enough of him last season to believe he will be fine over the course of the season and Cadden who has played there before is more than capable of taking his place.

[CmoantheHibs]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/wolves-star-samuels-chased-by-three-clubs-sources/

Another loan striker linked. Seemingly faster than a fast thing.
I love a quick striker so I really hope we get this guy as he is blisteringly quick.:greengrin Pace is such a valuable attribute in the modern game. Well spotted GG.

[DanishJohn]

for the sake of clarity and to help me decide, what are we debating here? (I am only thinking defenders wise)

Are we looking to sign defenders to plug gaps or to take us to a higher level ?

Are we being driven by need or ambition?

[truehibernian]

We don’t need a right back, we have PM and Cadden, can play a 3 at the back and have Boyle or Wright as wing backs

Paul’s form has dipped from last season in my opinion but it’s very early days into the season. Far from overloading or having an excessive squad in numbers, I’d still like to see a right back, left sided centre half and a striker come in, in addition to Scott.

You’re right about Cadden playing at wing back, but thus far he’s been unlucky with injury and I’d like a more defensive minded option to compete with Paul .

The good thing is from early season performances is that the midfield balance is good, with JDH , Newell and KM offering the defence a lot more protection and availability to take possession and retain it.

Squad is looking young, fresh and positive at the moment though - recruitment team are doing well so far 👍

[Borderhibbie76]

I personally didnt see it, they were a good team but top 4, dont think so

Utter nonsense they are easily top 3 or 4 in our league- just because we matched them well for most of the 2 legs until the Daz madness, doesn't mean they weren't a decent side

[Big_Franck]

I don't believe we are in for Samuels from Wolves. An inexperienced quick winger/forward that doesn't score is the last thing we need. He got 1 goal in 14 games with Bradford (League 2) last year and 0 in 6 for Kidderminster the year before. This is the kind of signing that we would have made under Fenlon but I think we're in for a better calibre of player now.

[truehibernian]

for the sake of clarity and to help me decide, what are we debating here? (I am only thinking defenders wise)

Are we looking to sign defenders to plug gaps or to take us to a higher level ?

Are we being driven by need or ambition?

Very good question posed DJ, I’d say a combination of ambition and maybe looking forward to next year where we will - sadly - have to refresh areas where the likes of Lewis and Darren have ‘run their race’’ - in their defence though we’re so fortunate to have those players in particular because of their complete professionalism and ability to step in when required, rarely letting the side down. They’ve been stalwarts but next season in particular is where we may need an overhaul in defence.

[04Sauzee]

I don't believe we are in for Samuels from Wolves. An inexperienced quick winger/forward that doesn't score is the last thing we need. He got 1 goal in 14 games with Bradford (League 2) last year and 0 in 6 for Kidderminster the year before. This is the kind of signing that we would have made under Fenlon but I think we're in for a better calibre of player now.

Without seeing him play so I'm only going of stats and what Bradford fans have said about him then I'd hope we are after someone with a bit more experience.

[JimBHibees]

That was after the replacement centre half was sent off mid way through the game. That’s going to be pretty rare.

We’re going to sign another one so don’t worry, I just don’t think we will sign anyone that’ll displace Hanlon or Porteous. If we’re signing someone to sit on the bench, I’m not that convinced we’ll get much better than Daz either for that role.

Another central defender would provide cover and probably more importantly genuine competition in that position so there is an expectation level for players in that position to perform. Also gives us the option of playing a back three also. Also got to be looking at the ages of particularly Paul and Daz and also the consideration of Ryan wishing to leave in the not too distant future.

[Souter96Mac]

By the sounds of the type of player Samuels is, I reckon he was maybe 2nd choice should we not have got Scott in. Pacey forward, who can play on the wings, sounds very similar.

I'd like us to get in a more physical presence to replace that void during Doidge's injury

[Just Alf]

By the sounds of the type of player Samuels is, I reckon he was maybe 2nd choice should we not have got Scott in. Pacey forward, who can play on the wings, sounds very similar.

I'd like us to get in a more physical presence to replace that void during Doidge's injuryMakes sense.. :agree:

[truehibernian]

By the sounds of the type of player Samuels is, I reckon he was maybe 2nd choice should we not have got Scott in. Pacey forward, who can play on the wings, sounds very similar.

I'd like us to get in a more physical presence to replace that void during Doidge's injury

Going by his game stats Scott was second in the league for aerial duels with defenders so it looks like Scott has a decent physical element to his game too.

[BILLYHIBS]

Arsenal sign Sheffield United goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale 24m + 6m add ons


BBC Sport

[JimBHibees]

Utter nonsense they are easily top 3 or 4 in our league- just because we matched them well for most of the 2 legs until the Daz madness, doesn't mean they weren't a decent side

Yep Rijeka are clearly a very good team.

[JimBHibees]

Arsenal sign Sheffield United goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale 24m + 6m add ons


BBC Sport

The world has gone mad. :greengrin

[truehibernian]

The world has gone mad. :greengrin

In all seriousness Jim, I’ve not seen many keepers down south in the big leagues who are any real level above the likes of Gordon, our own Rocky, Siegriest, or Zander Clark say. That fee is ridiculous for a keeper like Ramsdale.

We criminally undervalue our players up here.

[DanishJohn]

Very good question posed DJ, I’d say a combination of ambition and maybe looking forward to next year where we will - sadly - have to refresh areas where the likes of Lewis and Darren have ‘run their race’’ - in their defence though we’re so fortunate to have those players in particular because of their complete professionalism and ability to step in when required, rarely letting the side down. They’ve been stalwarts but next season in particular is where we may need an overhaul in defence.

TH My view is we should be driven by ambition. I view the defence as a collective. I will not name individuals. IMO I think the defence at best are average and at times downright poor. Some have run their race and others are just stuck at a certain level.

Our recruitment has been good recently. We have stated filling the squad with good midfielders and forwards. The players brought in have improved us and taken us to a better level but not the level we really should be. To do that we need a much better defence. Sign better defenders and we could be top three for years to come. Also some cup glory?

[Souter96Mac]

Going by his game stats Scott was second in the league for aerial duels with defenders so it looks like Scott has a decent physical element to his game too.

That's a fair shout, I'm confident our coaching team can get the best out of him too. I'm looking forward to seeing him play. Any confirmation yet on whether he can play on Sunday?

[Cat Stanton]

In all seriousness Jim, I’ve not seen many keepers down south in the big leagues who are any real level above the likes of Gordon, our own Rocky, Siegriest, or Zander Clark say. That fee is ridiculous for a keeper like Ramsdale.

We criminally undervalue our players up here.

Or... They criminally over-value all their players down there.

[JimBHibees]

Going by his game stats Scott was second in the league for aerial duels with defenders so it looks like Scott has a decent physical element to his game too.

Yep sounds like just the sort of player we need.

[JimBHibees]

In all seriousness Jim, I’ve not seen many keepers down south in the big leagues who are any real level above the likes of Gordon, our own Rocky, Siegriest, or Zander Clark say. That fee is ridiculous for a keeper like Ramsdale.

We criminally undervalue our players up here.

Agree problem is the worldwide league they play in.

[theonlywayisup]

for the sake of clarity and to help me decide, what are we debating here? (I am only thinking defenders wise)

Are we looking to sign defenders to plug gaps or to take us to a higher level ?

Are we being driven by need or ambition?

That is a very good question DJ.

I feel we go round in a circle - things start off well so we don't NEED back-up; we get a few injuries or players lose form and we criticise why the didn't 1) bring in back-up or 2) bring in better quality; then things start to improve so we don't NEED back-up. The cycle continues on repeat. Is that the model that will get us to the next level that Ron wants us to be? It may be okay for top six or even top four, but Ron talks about us being competitive in Europe. Say all you want about St. Johnstone, but I was impressed by the quality of the back-up players they brought on last season in games. Even their second team beat ours at Easter Road. It was clear last season that we didn't have the depth in our squad, nor the ability to change the pattern of games, especially when we went a goal down as evident in the very low number of SPFL games that we came back from a goal down to win.

Now people are saying that we don't need this guy from Wolves now that we've got Scott in. I take the opposite view and feel we do need more options up front. We've got Doidge out until the new year, Mueller not arriving until the new year, Gullan off to Kille (by all accounts). We're back to having only Nisbet and Scott as strikers, with Murphy and Boyle as wide men. It's likely that three out of the four will start every game, but that gives us limited options to change the pattern of games that are not going our way. Even less if one of them gets injured. What happens when we hear that Nisbet is out tomorrow against Dundee?

I'd say that the guy from Wolves (or similar) is exactly what we need. A young, raw recruit, with pace that comes with no expectation that he'll play every game. Yes, the experts shout out, but look at his poor goal record. I can imagine that the last two sentences were written about Boyle when he came hear from Dundee a few years ago on load. Remind me how that worked out.

[Alex Trager]

In all seriousness Jim, I’ve not seen many keepers down south in the big leagues who are any real level above the likes of Gordon, our own Rocky, Siegriest, or Zander Clark say. That fee is ridiculous for a keeper like Ramsdale.

We criminally undervalue our players up here.

I would go the opposite way and say the criminally over value their players

[truehibernian]

I would go the opposite way and say the criminally over value their players

No doubt about it Alex, the inflated fees are scandalous with very little 'value' in either sell-on or achieving anything other than league status/survival.

You and others are right, the over-valuation of players not just in England is scary - as GM said though, the Scottish market and teams should not settle for low fees, especially when they witness other transfers from other leagues.

It's economies of scale sadly, and the inflated fees will continue until clubs go under or struggle to get back to the 'top table', which many have.

[hibbysam]

If they were very good technically we would have seen that at ER. They were below average in that game and we really should have won by 2 or 3 goals.

They only got the upper hand in the tie when we were a man down.

They got the upper hand from the first minute in the second leg. We couldn’t get near them for the first half. Equaliser brought about a far better spell and the sending off killed it, but they were as dominant in the first half of the second leg, as we were in the first leg.

[Since452]

Not many teams if any in Scotland would draw at Easter Road and thump us away, man sent off or not.

[erin go bragh]

Not many teams if any in Scotland would draw at Easter Road and thump us away, man sent off or not.

They were very fortunate to get a draw at ER . Losing a man swung the game big time as we were looking the more likely to score until then .

[Smartie]

Scottish football gives you a weird perspective of teams’ abilities, as there is normally such a big gap between the OF and third.

Loads of the teams who play in the early rounds of Europe will be at roughly our level or somewhere in the gap between ourselves and the OF. Stuff like “European experience” might go more in favour of some teams than others.

I maintain that Rijeka weren’t that great, but they did more than enough to beat us over the 2 legs. I also maintain that I think our strongest team is a very good side, the squad just lacks a bit of depth. McGregor had a couple of blips but he’s still a decent player, especially against most of the teams we face domestically. It was the lack of options off the bench when facing the second half of the second leg that really exposed us. That’s the time when a deeper squad might have seen us turn the screw. Instead, the whole tie pivoted on one unfortunate moment.

I honestly don’t think we’re far away at all from properly competing with these sides. The challenge, as ever, will be keeping (or adequately replacing) our better players, and building on the experience we gained this year.

[Brightside]

it's a rb and lcb that we need- to be starters along side porto and doig.

if either of them is sold then we should look to find their replacements, until then moving mcginn and hanlon to back up squad players, like we have done with mcgregor and stevenson should be the priority for the defence imo.

Our current LCB is our current best defender. I’m all for him moving on in time. Now is not the time.

[Heisenberg]

Peter Martin reckons Celtc want Nisbet for cash + LG.

https://twitter.com/petermsport/status/1429009715317641218?s=21

£5m please. Saw a few folk saying last night Nisbet might not be playing on Sunday? Is it related to this or injury/covid?

[GordonHFC]

Peter Martin reckons Celtc want Nisbet for cash + LG.

https://twitter.com/petermsport/status/1429009715317641218?s=21

£5m please. Saw a few folk saying last night Nisbet might not be playing on Sunday? Is it related to this or injury/covid?

Can't see this happening as LG is not that much of a bargaining tool. We could have had him before he signed for Celtic but couldn't afford his salary. What has changed?

[Borderhibbie76]

Peter Martin reckons Celtc want Nisbet for cash + LG.

https://twitter.com/petermsport/status/1429009715317641218?s=21

£5m please. Saw a few folk saying last night Nisbet might not be playing on Sunday? Is it related to this or injury/covid?

Peter Martin is a tool tbh so I'd take than one with a pinch of salt

[bod]

Can't see this happening as LG is not that much of a bargaining tool. We could have had him before he signed for Celtic but couldn't afford his salary. What has changed?

Rather have more cash with add ons than LG

[The Harp Awakes]

Peter Martin reckons Celtc want Nisbet for cash + LG.

https://twitter.com/petermsport/status/1429009715317641218?s=21

£5m please. Saw a few folk saying last night Nisbet might not be playing on Sunday? Is it related to this or injury/covid?

Been hearing the same from a different source. Apparently their move for a Dutch striker has fallen through.

[Since452]

Ah the Jambo presenter with inside information on Celtic transfers? Thanks for letting us know Peter.

[weecounty hibby]

£5m for Nisbet or they can **** off. Whether we think he's worth that or not the days of Hibs selling to these parasites on the cheap are long gone and they know it. See SJM for example. They made a total James Hunt of themselves over that one and won't want to do it again so 5m and we might start talking. ****ing hate celtic

[MWHIBBIES]

it's a rb and lcb that we need- to be starters along side porto and doig.

if either of them is sold then we should look to find their replacements, until then moving mcginn and hanlon to back up squad players, like we have done with mcgregor and stevenson should be the priority for the defence imo.

Porteous would be on the bench long before Hanlon. Hanlon is our best defender. You know just because he played alongside McGregor doesn't mean he is the same age? Hanlon has years in him yet.

[MyJo]

If Celtic do come in for Nisbet i would hope we point out that they paid £4.4m for Scott Brown almost 15 years ago while he had a three year contract and had handed in a transfer request and anything less than £4.5m for Nisbet will be punted without question.

[davhibby]

I wouldn’t be changing the fee we’re looking for with or without griffiths on top. Griffiths could’ve been a free agent 2 months ago, Celtic decided to extend his contract so that’s their problem. £3 million upfront plus add ons should be the absolute minimum we entertain for Nisbet. Don’t see Celtic paying that

[Unseen work]

Griffiths has 0 market value at the moment.

He’s done nothing in about 2 years other than be called unfit and more refer you get involved with the police after some serious allegations.

He’s a massive massive risk. I was firmly in the camp if he could rediscover his form and be brilliant, but how many years are we going to say that for?

[Since90+2]

Nisbet will want to move if the interest becomes concrete. We need to make sure it's handled correctly.

[CMurdoch]

Peter Martin reckons Celtc want Nisbet for cash + LG.

https://twitter.com/petermsport/status/1429009715317641218?s=21

£5m please. Saw a few folk saying last night Nisbet might not be playing on Sunday? Is it related to this or injury/covid?

What Peter Martin reckons!
Have you ever watched Peter & Roughie?
Horrific old firm fawning slaver.

In the 1st instance Griffiths has no value. He is just an expensive burden at Celtic.

Secondly, tin hat on here, I don't think Nisbet is good enough for Celtic. I have him in that massive netherworld between the Old Firm and ourselves which places him as an English Championship player.

[Col2]

LG may have limited market value but he is on let’s say £12k per week and I would guess he won’t come to us for say £3-£4K a week unless Celtic pay the shortfall for this season - that would reduce a fee by say c£300k.

LG still is the most natural goal scorer in the league and it’s not unreasonable to think he would score a lot of goals for us again. He can play up front on his own and while different than Nisbet a net fee of say £3.5m plus wages covered would allow us to bring in another striker as we had already planned in addition to LG. Or certainly give us a better market for defenders.

[Stuart93]

If they want to add LG into the deal fine but nisbet will still cost them £3.5m at least. As others are saying Griffiths’ market value is probably the lowest it’s ever been.

[Col2]

Nisbet will want to move if the interest becomes concrete. We need to make sure it's handled correctly.

100%. If this is true Nisbet will absolutely want to move given his (reported) leaning towards the lesser greens. Would be sad to see him go but he doesn’t have the same attachment the likes of Boyle has - I would have been more pissed off if Boyle had gone to a Scottish club for a smallish fee.

Nisbet will be away either this window or next two.

[Brightside]

Peter Martin reckons Celtc want Nisbet for cash + LG.

https://twitter.com/petermsport/status/1429009715317641218?s=21

£5m please. Saw a few folk saying last night Nisbet might not be playing on Sunday? Is it related to this or injury/covid?

Click bait from Martin.

[Del Boy]

Don’t want Nisbet to leave and don’t want Griffiths back at ER. So really hope this doesn’t happen.

[ahibby]

Click bait from Martin.

Yep agreed. His last sentence says it all.

[Louispearsion19]

LG may have limited market value but he is on let’s say £12k per week and I would guess he won’t come to us for say £3-£4K a week unless Celtic pay the shortfall for this season - that would reduce a fee by say c£300k.

LG still is the most natural goal scorer in the league and it’s not unreasonable to think he would score a lot of goals for us again. He can play up front on his own and while different than Nisbet a net fee of say £3.5m plus wages covered would allow us to bring in another striker as we had already planned in addition to LG. Or certainly give us a better market for defenders.

Nisbet is a better striker than Leigh Griffiths


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[MWHIBBIES]

Don’t want Nisbet to leave and don’t want Griffiths back at ER. So really hope this doesn’t happen.

Dont worry, it wont. Just a boring easy made up article. Folk have been making up the same story on here for months.

[JohnM1875]

100%. If this is true Nisbet will absolutely want to move given his (reported) leaning towards the lesser greens. Would be sad to see him go but he doesn’t have the same attachment the likes of Boyle has - I would have been more pissed off if Boyle had gone to a Scottish club for a smallish fee.

Nisbet will be away either this window or next two.

I kinda felt the same attachment wise. But being able to attend and see the games in person again I have completely changed my mind.

Love what Nisbet offers the team. Has great work rate, always wants to be the one scoring and is always there for his team mates. His runs are fantastic as well and genuinely like him a lot more now.

Would be gutted to see him leave, especially to Celtic. Needs to be at least 5 mil if it's Celtic. Three years left on his deal right?

[Crab apple]

Nisbet will want to move if the interest becomes concrete. We need to make sure it's handled correctly.

I was told this yesterday and I don’t think he will be playing tomorrow. Whether the lessers follow through with an offer is another matter but it’s not great timing.

[Brightside]

I was told this yesterday and I don’t think he will be playing tomorrow. Whether the lessers follow through with an offer is another matter but it’s not great timing.

Niz reason for not playing has nothing to do with Celtic.

[#2 Double Tap]

Porteous would be on the bench long before Hanlon. Hanlon is our best defender. You know just because he played alongside McGregor doesn't mean he is the same age? Hanlon has years in him yet.

They are both guilty of making horrific mistakes that have cost us goals and a case could be made for replacing both of them but Porto is better than Hanlon and has the potential to develop more.

Technically there is not much between them but physically he appears stronger and quicker and mentally he comes across as having more confidence as well as aggression. Just my opinion o/c and im not saying bin hanlon, he has a role to play and would be an excellent squad player.

If the rumours we have been looking to sign mccart are true, then its possible JR feels the same, I doubt we would be actively looking to spend around 300k to 500k on a back up player.

[AlbertK86]

Can't see this happening as LG is not that much of a bargaining tool. We could have had him before he signed for Celtic but couldn't afford his salary. What has changed?

Depends on deal.

The change maybe he comes on loan and still gets his Celtic wages and we get option to biy at end of season.

That would be the only way the wages could be covered.

Can’t see him agreeing to a massive wage cut.

This will likely be his last season on big wages


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[The Modfather]

Nisbet is a better striker than Leigh Griffiths


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This is where I’m at. Nisbet is on the way up and improving every season. If you put aside who it is, Griffiths goals record the last few years (according to Wikipedia and starting from last season) is 7 - 12 - 6 - 13. What Indications are there that at 31, and with on field (fitness) & off field issues, he is still the same player we think off from 2016/2017 when he scored 18 goals or 2015/2016 when he scored 40 goals?

I think we could get comparible to the 2021 Griffiths for less investment and with re-sale value.

I don’t think we need too much other than another striker and CB as backups. Possibly competition for RB depending on Cadden, but think mid-term we need an upgrade at RB. Hopefully that turns out to be Cadden. McGinn was good last season but I still saw him as more of a steady stop gap than a mainstay over the next few seasons.

[Crab apple]

Niz reason for not playing has nothing to do with Celtic.

I didn’t say it was. If you are alluding to the covid rumours then say so.

[ElginHibbie]

They are both guilty of making horrific mistakes that have cost us goals and a case could be made for replacing both of them but Porto is better than Hanlon and has the potential to develop more.

Technically there is not much between them but physically he appears stronger and quicker and mentally he comes across as having more confidence as well as aggression. Just my opinion o/c and im not saying bin hanlon, he has a role to play and would be an excellent squad player.

If the rumours we have been looking to sign mccart are true, then its possible JR feels the same, I doubt we would be actively looking to spend around 300k to 500k on a back up player.

JR has not long made Hanlon captain, if he's fit he's on the teamsheet before Porto

[jst1875]

I was told this yesterday and I don’t think he will be playing tomorrow. Whether the lessers follow through with an offer is another matter but it’s not great timing.

I heard the same today from a friend who is friendly with a celtic director, no other details other than its supposedly happening
edit... £1.5m plus LG, bad deal if true

[RossScott1991]

After recent allegations with the police which are very very sketchy.

Add to the fact from a footballing point of view LG has zero value to Celtic I’d be telling them to ram this deal.

4.5mil + add ons / potentially driving price higher to clubs down south is the way to go for Nisbet and then look to sign a younger hungrier striker

[Since90+2]

I heard the same today from a friend who is friendly with a celtic director, no other details other than its supposedly happening
edit... £1.5m plus LG, bad deal if true

I'd be amazed if LG is ever back at Hibs. Doesn't fit with the profile of our signings at all.

[ScottB]

Bringing in older players on the downslope of their careers is fine when it’s on the cheap, like with McGinn.

Wheeling in Griffiths, barely kicked a ball in years, mired in off the pitch scandal, no evidence he’s anything like the player he was, and still having him as one of the top earning players at the club would be madness, and fly in the face of what has largely been a successful recruiting strategy in recent years.

We need to be finding the next Nisbet, someone else we can invest in and sell at a profit, not pouring money into a guy who has effectively no market value and certainly no future value.

[Ray_]

I'd be amazed if LG is ever back at Hibs. Doesn't fit with the profile of our signings at all.

Yet our manager said in the summer he was interested, whether he still is or not remains to be seen.

[Since452]

Celtic won't pay the going rate

[Heisenberg]

Celtic won't pay the going rate

I agree, can’t see them stumping up what we’d want.

[Tynie01011973]

Ah the Jambo presenter with inside information on Celtic transfers? Thanks for letting us know Peter.

Can assure you Peter is no Jambo. Played 5's with him wearing a Celtic strip few years ago 👎

[Since90+2]

Yet our manager said in the summer he was interested, whether he still is or not remains to be seen.

Jack Ross said he was interested in signing Griffiths?

[Torto7]

I heard the same today from a friend who is friendly with a celtic director, no other details other than its supposedly happening
edit... £1.5m plus LG, bad deal if true

B.S. Utter crap.

[Heisenberg]

£1.5m 😂

[jst1875]

After recent allegations with the police which are very very sketchy.

Add to the fact from a footballing point of view LG has zero value to Celtic I’d be telling them to ram this deal.

4.5mil + add ons / potentially driving price higher to clubs down south is the way to go for Nisbet and then look to sign a younger hungrier striker

celtic value LG at £2m apparently
ha ha

[GordonHFC]

Depends on deal.

The change maybe he comes on loan and still gets his Celtic wages and we get option to biy at end of season.

That would be the only way the wages could be covered.

Can’t see him agreeing to a massive wage cut.

This will likely be his last season on big wages


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There would be no option to buy. He has signed a one year deal with celtic so he would be a free agent. Doesn't make sense celtic signing him for a year then loaning him out and still paying the bulk of his salary. Will wait and see but have been told its pish.

[#2 Double Tap]

celtic value LG at £2m apparently
ha ha

thats cause they know what he is and that isnt a 2m£ player.

edit; ha thought u said nisbet.

[blackpoolhibs]

celtic value LG at £2m apparently
ha ha
Give us £5m for Nisbet, then they can sell Griffiths for £2m to whoever wants him and their replacement has only cost them £3m, simples. :wink:

[Andy74]

Jack Ross said he was interested in signing Griffiths?

“But he’s a player we have lots of admiration for as his goalscoring record will be up there with the best in Scotland in recent years.”

“It might be something – if the opportunity arises – that we might discuss. But at this moment in time it’s not something we have been able to discuss is any detail because he’s not a player as of yet who would be available.”

[jeffers]

Jack Ross said he was interested in signing Griffiths?

Thought he was diplomatic when asked. Certainly didn’t make me think if he became available Ross would definitely go for him.

[WhileTheChief..]

The Griffiths thing is a sideshow.

Celtic need another striker and Nisbett would be a perfect fit for them. He is only going to get better and has the potential to be a regular starter for Scotland for years to come.

If they don’t buy him now they won’t be able to afford him in future, in the same was as they missed out on SJM.

I’d expect them to leave it another week and then bid around £2m. Nisbett will want to go, and we’ll end up selling for around £3m - £4m is my guess.

[WhileTheChief..]

“But he’s a player we have lots of admiration for as his goalscoring record will be up there with the best in Scotland in recent years.”

“It might be something – if the opportunity arises – that we might discuss. But at this moment in time it’s not something we have been able to discuss is any detail because he’s not a player as of yet who would be available.”

I remember that but think it was before the off field issues.

I just don’t see anyone at Hibs thinking he would be a good fit now.

[CMurdoch]

Thought he was diplomatic when asked. Certainly didn’t make me think if he became available Ross would definitely go for him.

That's exactly what it was.
Archetypal media training answer which Jack specialises in.
He basically said nothing whilst not burning bridges.

[Since90+2]

“But he’s a player we have lots of admiration for as his goalscoring record will be up there with the best in Scotland in recent years.”

“It might be something – if the opportunity arises – that we might discuss. But at this moment in time it’s not something we have been able to discuss is any detail because he’s not a player as of yet who would be available.”

"We might discuss". That's not exactly saying he would be interested , it's him saying it might be a discussion.

[AlbertK86]

Jack Ross said he was interested in signing Griffiths?

When interviewed before Griffiths last contract was up earlier this year, he said he was a player he admired as a goal scorer and he would be interested in goal scorers but he was contracted to Celtic but if became free he may discuss


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[AlbertK86]

There would be no option to buy. He has signed a one year deal with celtic so he would be a free agent. Doesn't make sense celtic signing him for a year then loaning him out and still paying the bulk of his salary. Will wait and see but have been told its pish.

Fair point re option to buy !


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[MWHIBBIES]

They are both guilty of making horrific mistakes that have cost us goals and a case could be made for replacing both of them but Porto is better than Hanlon and has the potential to develop more.

Technically there is not much between them but physically he appears stronger and quicker and mentally he comes across as having more confidence as well as aggression. Just my opinion o/c and im not saying bin hanlon, he has a role to play and would be an excellent squad player.

If the rumours we have been looking to sign mccart are true, then its possible JR feels the same, I doubt we would be actively looking to spend around 300k to 500k on a back up player.

Technically Hanlon is well ahead. Mentally Porteous still comes across far too rash and daft sometimes. Hes getting better though.

Hanlon is captain and easily better than Mccart. He'll continue to play as he has for 10 years.

[Coco Bryce]

They can keep Griffiths. Far too much baggage attached to the laddie now.

We don't need it.

[Since90+2]

Technically Hanlon is well ahead. Mentally Porteous still comes across far too rash and daft sometimes. Hes getting better though.

Hanlon is captain and easily better than Mccart. He'll continue to play as he has for 10 years.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm not sure you can say Hanlon is "easily better". McCart by the age of 23 had already won both the Scottish and League cups and is an integral part of the team that won those honours.

[MWHIBBIES]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm not sure you can say Hanlon is "easily better". McCart by the age of 23 had already won both the Scottish and League cups and is an integral part of the team that won those honours.

I'm judging on ability, not St Johnstone having a freak season last year. Over 38 league matches, Hanlon was well ahead.

[Aldo]

If Celtic want Nisbet the biscuit tin mentality will be evident.

Derogatory offer followed by a slightly better derogatory offer then crying to the media that we as a club are ruining a players development and dream by not rolling over and taking what they want to give us!


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[Irish_Steve]

I always love the way directors at football clubs happily discuss dealings out with the boardroom and then mention it to friends

[Since90+2]

I'm judging on ability, not St Johnstone having a freak season last year. Over 38 league matches, Hanlon was well ahead.

Perhaps over a league season but winning a domestic cup double for a club like St Johnstone is a far bigger achievement than finishing 3rd with a club like Hibs.

One thing is for certain, Hanlon has never achieved as much as McCart did last season and it's highly unlikely he ever will.

[jeffers]

They can keep Griffiths. Far too much baggage attached to the laddie now.

We don't need it.

Is there really or is it being blown out of proportion ? He was stupid with the pics incident and tbh I don’t think much of him as he has a partner, but he’s hardly the first footballer to be less than faithful. Now fair enough if people don’t think he’s still got it to perform at previous levels, that’s something no one knows for sure.

[Hibs90]

I’d hazard a guess that Martin is at the wind up/talking *****. The fat jambo roaster.

[h18eeynick]

They can keep Griffiths. Far too much baggage attached to the laddie now.

We don't need it.

Would the same have been said about George Best who I had the honour of seeing a few times playing for Hibs . Let us down in the end but put bums on seats

[Since90+2]

I’d hazard a guess that Martin is at the wind up/talking *****. The fat jambo roaster.

Peter Martin is a Celtic fan. 100%.

[jst1875]

B.S. Utter crap.

only passing on info that I've been told,whether the offer has been made or about to be made , I have no idea

[Hibs90]

Peter Martin is a Celtic fan. 100%.

Couldn’t care either way he’s a pure roaster.

[Hibs90]

only passing on info that I've been told,whether the offer has been made or about to be made , I have no idea

What you’ve been told is false.

[Borderhibbie76]

I didn’t say it was. If you are alluding to the covid rumours then say so.

U implied it was the reason he won't be playing 2moro tho

[Andy74]

"We might discuss". That's not exactly saying he would be interested , it's him saying it might be a discussion.

Agree.

[jst1875]

What you’ve been told is false.

with the figures mentioned, I certainly hope so

[Brightside]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm not sure you can say Hanlon is "easily better". McCart by the age of 23 had already won both the Scottish and League cups and is an integral part of the team that won those honours.
I like McCart and i want us to sign him as i think he could develop into a top CH. He's not as good as Hanlon at the moment, and winning a couple of Cups is not how you compare 2 players.

[Since90+2]

I like McCart and i want us to sign him as i think he could develop into a top CH. He's not as good as Hanlon at the moment, and winning a couple of Cups is not how you compare 2 players.

Overall I'd agree but it does show he can handle big pressure games and has a winning mentality.

We all love to big up Lewis for winning both cups, it's only fair we recognise what an even bigger achievement it is to win both in the same season, with a smaller club and by the age of 23.

[Ronniekirk]

We simply can’t afford to let Nisbet go in this window when Doidge is already out
Nisbet s work rate is integral to the team as was Doidge s To loose both and Thier goals would be kissing goodbye to top four potentially
McKay is work in progress Scott will need time to get match fit and could be recalled at X mass if he does well
The American guy will also need time to adjust and settle after x mass
The Griffiths we had when he scored a Hat trick in thst cup game via Killie away from home would be a no brainer
But he isn’t in the same condition and it would be a gamble
Teams know our players are available at a price but to date they haven’t been so keen to meet that price
It suggests some are probably holding off hoping late deals at lower price can be done towards the end of the window
Not ideal at all fir us trying to build a squad that improves upon last season
Realistically we are bound to loose one player though


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[SHODAN]

Not convinced I'd take Griffiths now to be honest.

£5M and Edouard probably ok.

[Borderhibbie76]

We simply can’t afford to let Nisbet go in this window when Doidge is already out
Nisbet s work rate is integral to the team as was Doidge s To loose both and Thier goals would be kissing goodbye to top four potentially
McKay is work in progress Scott will need time to get match fit and could be recalled at X mass if he does well
The American guy will also need time to adjust and settle after x mass
The Griffiths we had when he scored a Hat trick in thst cup game via Killie away from home would be a no brainer
But he isn’t in the same condition and it would be a gamble
Teams know our players are available at a price but to date they haven’t been so keen to meet that price
It suggests some are probably holding off hoping late deals at lower price can be done towards the end of the window
Not ideal at all fir us trying to build a squad that improves upon last season
Realistically we are bound to loose one player though


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Be really shocked if we do sell Nisbet for the reasons outlined above- be a huge gamble with our season if we do let him go unless another top notch striker is brought in between now and the window closing

[MJ hibs]

Griffiths will not be renewed after this season at Celtic so it would be stupid to make any kind of transfer for him now.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Postecoglu just asked about KN. Didn't deny it

[500miles]

Taking Griffiths would be a risk, but so would keeping a disgruntled player. If Nisbet wants to progress, he's at an age where he has to keep pushing the level he plays at.

He'd be a fool to go for cheap though. The more he goes for, the more faith a manager has to put in him.

[Hibs90]

with the figures mentioned, I certainly hope so

You don’t need to hope. I can assure you it is.

[Lago]

What you’ve been told is false.
The majority of what I read on here now a days turns out to be false.

[MikeyS]

Postecoglu just asked about KN. Didn't deny it

Had a bit of mischief in his voice too, I wouldn't be shocked if this moves ahead next week.

[mcohibs]

They can keep Griffiths. Far too much baggage attached to the laddie now.

We don't need it.

Should be nowhere near our club.

[Wheat Hound]

Yeh Postecoglu could've easily dismissed it as speculation but his 'can neither confirm nor deny' was very indicative of there being substance to this...

[Keyser Sauzee]

Where’s the interview when Ange spoke about KN?

[Heisenberg]

Where’s the interview when Ange spoke about KN?

https://bit.ly/3glwYJe

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Wouldn't want Griffith's. Too many players have come through the door that have chucked their career away

[JohnM1875]

We better have a really really good option lined up if we let Nisbet go right now. And that option isn't Griffiths.

Especially with Doidge out til Christmas

[bigwheel]

We better have a really really good option lined up if we let Nisbet go right now. And that option isn't Griffiths.

Especially with Doidge out til Christmas

If he goes, its likely his replacement will be Griffiths. Is there a better replacement??

[Del Boy]

Did not like the sound of that interview with the Celtic manager

[Broken Gnome]

Would Boyle sign a new deal after being convinced of our ambition and aims to get stronger if we were selling Nisbet within a week?

Or second best scenario, we're in a decent enough position to get a REALLY good replacement in.

[Northernhibee]

£5m and we’re not interested in Griffiths. Minimum.

[gbhibby]

Hibs are holding all the cards in this. Would I take a fully fit fully focused Leigh yes but he does not seem to be in that place at the moment. He signed a year's contract so would be available on a pre contract in January for £0.So when dealing with Celtic Griffs value is £0 so Hibs can hold out for full cash value for Kevin. Celtic will try to offer less and think Griffiths has a transfer value. Time to play hardball with them.£5m would possibly get a phonecall back, but that club has paid double that for proven goalscorers.

[bigwheel]

£5m and we’re not interested in Griffiths. Minimum.

What could we do with money that would be a better option than Griffiths?

[ElginHibbie]

If he goes, its likely his replacement will be Griffiths. Is there a better replacement??

If he can stay fit, if can reach previous heights, if he can keep away from the off field issue there isn't a better a replacement.

But that's the problem, it's too many Ifs for me, especially with Doidge injured

[JohnM1875]

If he goes, its likely his replacement will be Griffiths. Is there a better replacement??

Griffiths has barely kicked a ball in anger in about a year.

We could and should be doing better. He's not the same player as he was and has more baggage than most airports.

[CMurdoch]

Postecoglu just asked about KN. Didn't deny it

There are a lot of gullible folk on here.
He simply batted the question away.
Ross did the same when the media asked him about Griffiths a few months ago.
Media training enables awkward questions to be answered easily and politely by managers whilst saying nothing.

If logical thought helps, Nisbet will not be leaving Hibs in this window given the Doidge injury unless we have a very good replacement signed up. For the avoidance of doubt Griffiths will not be that player. He all but retired 3 years ago.

P.S. I see Griffiths playing for Dundee next season.

[Northernhibee]

What could we do with money that would be a better option than Griffiths?

A young, hungry striker with a good attitude and future sell on value?

[bigwheel]

A young, hungry striker with a good attitude and future sell on value?

Would be great if there are some of those ready and around …

[inglisavhibs]

Technically Hanlon is well ahead. Mentally Porteous still comes across far too rash and daft sometimes. Hes getting better though.

Hanlon is captain and easily better than Mccart. He'll continue to play as he has for 10 years.
Some fans will only realise how good Hanlon and Porteous are when we don’t have them. We do need another centre back in the squad though.

[jeffers]

Hibs are holding all the cards in this. Would I take a fully fit fully focused Leigh yes but he does not seem to be in that place at the moment. He signed a year's contract so would be available on a pre contract in January for £0.So when dealing with Celtic Griffs value is £0 so Hibs can hold out for full cash value for Kevin. Celtic will try to offer less and think Griffiths has a transfer value. Time to play hardball with them.

I disagree his value is zero. His wages I’m confident will be higher than any of our players and I’d expect them to propose a deal similar to the Murphy one with the added benefit to them that he can’t play against us. Can’t see it working any other way unless they pay him off. Not convinced we’d go for it anyway. Think we’ll play hardball.

[Iggy Pope]

The prospect of replacing a vibrant young striker like Kevin Nisbet with a ****ed up Leigh Griffiths is very depressing.
If Leigh comes back in a different way I’d love to think Hibs could help him be what he should be. Not at the expense of Nisbet though.

[Mr. Wonderful]

A young, hungry striker with a good attitude and future sell on value?

Or an experienced and happy hibs fan playing his socks off for his boyhood club where he's appreciated, and a solid 15-20 goals for 3 seasons+...

[Stuart93]

Or an experienced and happy hibs fan playing his socks off for his boyhood club where he's appreciated, and a solid 15-20 goals for 3 seasons+...

Absolutely zero guarantees that he’s going to “play his socks off”

[Broken Gnome]

He simply batted the question away.
Ross did the same when the media asked him about Griffiths a few months ago.
Media training enables awkward questions to be answered easily and politely by managers whilst saying nothing.

If it helps, Nisbet will not be leaving Hibs in this window given the Doidge injury unless we have a very good replacement signed up.

You'd think that helps us here as well - Nisbet can't really force this and take the huff if we're bare bones. Completely understandable and no bad press at all for Hibs to dig their heels in - we've no one else.

[Since90+2]

Or an experienced and happy hibs fan playing his socks off for his boyhood club where he's appreciated, and a solid 15-20 goals for 3 seasons+...

Griffiths is not the same player he was a few seasons back. He's actually regressed further than anyone in the league I can think of off the top of my head.

[brog]

Perhaps over a league season but winning a domestic cup double for a club like St Johnstone is a far bigger achievement than finishing 3rd with a club like Hibs.

One thing is for certain, Hanlon has never achieved as much as McCart did last season and it's highly unlikely he ever will.

What a strange argument. By your logic no Hibs player in history has achieved as much as McCart did last season. Lawrie's 38 caps and 22 goals don't count any more because St J had a miraculous season.

[davhibby]

Actually if Celtic want to give us a striker I’d rather have Ajeti even just on loan than Griffiths

[Iggy Pope]

What a strange argument. By your logic no Hibs player in history has achieved as much as McCart did last season. Lawrie's 38 caps and 22 goals don't count any more because St J had a miraculous season.

Agreed. We should surely sign David Wotherspoon, Calum Booth and have another shot at Glenn Middleton based on their achievements.

[Northernhibee]

Or an experienced and happy hibs fan playing his socks off for his boyhood club where he's appreciated, and a solid 15-20 goals for 3 seasons+...

There's no evidence remaining that the Leigh Griffiths that played for us eight years ago is the Leigh Griffiths that we'd get. In fact quite the opposite.

If he wasn't a Hibs fan I don't think there'd be a single person on here who would want him here. His attitude stinks.

[Heisenberg]

There's no evidence remaining that the Leigh Griffiths that played for us eight years ago is the Leigh Griffiths that we'd get. In fact quite the opposite.

If he wasn't a Hibs fan I don't think there'd be a single person on here who would want him here. His attitude stinks.

Spot on. He’s not done anything recently to suggest he could come in and tear it up for us. Would be a massive risk.

[Since90+2]

Agreed. We should surely sign David Wotherspoon, Calum Booth and have another shot at Glenn Middleton based on their achievements.

Except Wotherspoon and Booth are both in their 30s. McCart has already achieved what he has and he done that before he turned 24. Put it this way, I don't think it can be argued that he isn't a better player than Hanlon was at the same age.

Middleton I think has great potential, as he has shown under Davidson, and could have been a player for us.

[AdidasHibernian]

Actually if Celtic want to give us a striker I’d rather have Ajeti even just on loan than Griffiths

Wouldn't take Ajeti in a goody bag.. he's absolutely rank. No thanks.

[ScottB]

There's no evidence remaining that the Leigh Griffiths that played for us eight years ago is the Leigh Griffiths that we'd get. In fact quite the opposite.

If he wasn't a Hibs fan I don't think there'd be a single person on here who would want him here. His attitude stinks.

Hell if he had been an ex Hearts player texting young girls for nudes I imagine he’d be all but universally labelled a nonce.

[Aldo]

Spot on. He’s not done anything recently to suggest he could come in and tear it up for us. Would be a massive risk.

Min £4 million plus add ons and we’d maybe think about it. Full international player. Scoring goals. Enough said


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[makaveli1875]

Id swap Nisbet for the Japanese lad theyve got . Other than him its cash only and lots of it

[04Sauzee]

Not sure there is a player at Celtic that I would take in part payment for Nisbet, obviously meaning a player that Celtic would allow to come our way and would fit into our wage structure.

[Magpie]

Not sure there is a player at Celtic that I would take in part payment for Nisbet, obviously meaning a player that Celtic would allow to come our way and would fit into our wage structure.

Think it would be likely that any player included would be a loan with Celtic continuing to pay their wage.

[CMurdoch]

The prospect of replacing a vibrant young striker like Kevin Nisbet with a ****ed up Leigh Griffiths is very depressing.
If Leigh comes back in a different way I’d love to think Hibs could help him be what he should be. Not at the expense of Nisbet though.

Like swapping your copy of the 1st Clash album for "Cut The Crap"

[huggie1875]

if it was to happen i'd be happy with 3m plus a sell on and Leigh on a season long loan with Celtic paying his wages no risk at all to us if he is disruptive in anyway or unfit send him back no loss to us at all

[Torto7]

Im pretty relaxed about this. Theres nothing to suggest Celtic will bid an amount we would consider. He doesnt have a release clause for joining Celtic like is being rumoured. Theyll put in a 3 million bid and it will be punted, the weegie press will try and work his exit but we wont budge. It wouldnt surprise me if the Hun comes in as well as Morelos is off to Portugal. Itten could be in play. When Mathie mentioned the Brown fee and beating it he wasnt mincing his words!

[Torto7]

if it was to happen i'd be happy with 3m plus a sell on and Leigh on a season long loan with Celtic paying his wages no risk at all to us if he is disruptive in anyway or unfit send him back no loss to us at all

Why would you be happy with 3million?

[04Sauzee]

Think it would be likely that any player included would be a loan with Celtic continuing to pay their wage.

Still not sure there are players there that we could have or need? The 2 young guys they got from Wednesday? Dembele, Johnstone (injured) , Henderson? Looks like to would have to be full cash.

[MWHIBBIES]

Perhaps over a league season but winning a domestic cup double for a club like St Johnstone is a far bigger achievement than finishing 3rd with a club like Hibs.

One thing is for certain, Hanlon has never achieved as much as McCart did last season and it's highly unlikely he ever will.

Sure. Its a bigger achievement. It does not make someone a better player. Djimi Traore has more Champions leagues than Zlatan and Brazilian Ronaldo.

[huggie1875]

Why would you be happy with 3million?

because i think thats what we'll get

[bigwheel]

I don’t think Leigh has ever really Looked out of sorts on the pitch . He’s not had a lot of game time, so that would be a valid challenge to put on him coming. But don’t get the tone of “has been” type of comments on LG…. He has rarely let Celtic down on the pitch ..off it, that’s a different topic ….

[jeffers]

if it was to happen i'd be happy with 3m plus a sell on and Leigh on a season long loan with Celtic paying his wages no risk at all to us if he is disruptive in anyway or unfit send him back no loss to us at all

That could only be considered close to a good deal if the LG we get is close to his best. Sending him back cos it hadn’t worked out would mean we lost Nisbet for £3m. He’s worth more than that.

[MWHIBBIES]

if it was to happen i'd be happy with 3m plus a sell on and Leigh on a season long loan with Celtic paying his wages no risk at all to us if he is disruptive in anyway or unfit send him back no loss to us at all

That sounds extremely risky for us. Doidge already injured, Griffiths being unfit or generally just being a fanny would hurt us a lot.

[brog]

Except Wotherspoon and Booth are both in their 30s. McCart has already achieved what he has and he done that before he turned 24. Put it this way, I don't think it can be argued that he isn't a better player than Hanlon was at the same age.

Middleton I think has great potential, as he has shown under Davidson, and could have been a player for us.

Of course it can be argued. Paul Hanlon is one of the most capped under age Scottish players of all time, with IIRC, 23 U 21 caps. McCart has 1.

[jeffers]

That sounds extremely risky for us. Doidge already injured, Griffiths being unfit or generally just being a fanny would hurt us a lot.

Would also depend on who we’d bring in with the Nisbet money. I don’t for a minute think if we sell him and got LG on loan we wouldn’t also be looking to bring in an additional striker.

[Since90+2]

Sure. Its a bigger achievement. It does not make someone a better player. Djimi Traore has more Champions leagues than Zlatan and Brazilian Ronaldo.

Was Traore as central to his team winning those competitions as McCart was to St Johnstone?

It's a fantastic achievement what he done last season. If we'd won both cups last season we'd, quite rightly, be lauding Hanlon and Porteous as two of the best centre halfs in the league. We never though, we lost, in both competitions to McCart and St Johnstone. To me that says something about the lads ability and his character.

[noz]

I disagree his value is zero. His wages I’m confident will be higher than any of our players and I’d expect them to propose a deal similar to the Murphy one with the added benefit to them that he can’t play against us. Can’t see it working any other way unless they pay him off. Not convinced we’d go for it anyway. Think we’ll play hardball.
Acc to twitter, Griffiths is on a pay per play deal.

[Since90+2]

Of course it can be argued. Paul Hanlon is one of the most capped under age Scottish players of all time, with IIRC, 23 U 21 caps. McCart has 1.

Did Hanlon not spent the next 3 years after he turned 24 playing in Scotland's second tier? McCart is winning both cups in the same year then drawing away in Europe to Galatasary.

If the scripts were flipped we wouldn't even be having the conversation. I get people are biased towards their own players, I'm guilty of it too at times, but there's definitely a large portion of that going on here.

[noz]

typical Celtic offer. Depends what the cash amount is - they wouldnt pay the ‘extra’ for SJM and look what happened there.

Pure guesswork here, if Nisbets worth £3m, and Griffiths £1m, Id be looking for at least £2m from Celtic, and they aint gonna pay that.

[MikeyS]

Acc to twitter, Griffiths is on a pay per play deal.

No chance! These deals don't exist except in supporters heads.

[jeffers]

Acc to twitter, Griffiths is on a pay per play deal.

I don’t believe that for a minute.

[CMurdoch]

Acc to twitter, Griffiths is on a pay per play deal.

Highly unlikely.
He could well have clauses regarding his weight, time keeping etc but not pay per play.
Should probably have also had a clause banning him from social media!

[MWHIBBIES]

Was Traore as central to his team winning those competitions as McCart was to St Johnstone?

It's a fantastic achievement what he done last season. If we'd won both cups last season we'd, quite rightly, be lauding Hanlon and Porteous as two of the best centre halfs in the league. We never though, we lost, in both competitions to McCart and St Johnstone. To me that says something about the lads ability and his character.

Yes, its a great achievement as everyone has said. Again, does not make him a better player. Why did he concede so many more goals than Hanlon and Porteous?

If it was a 1 vs 1 sport and he beat Hanlon, I'd agree. Its not, though. I struggle to get the hype about any defender that sits on the edge of his own 18 yard box every week, lumping it into the stands in a system that suits him very well. Hanlon has shown for years (not just 11 cup ties) how good he is. He had a brilliant season last year as well. Can McCart even play at this level in a back 4? Has he ever done it?

Hanlon and Porteous are two of the best centre halfs in the league.

[cabbageandribs1875]

sellick pay £2.5m for a croation defender, 5 year contract

[jacomo]

typical Celtic offer. Depends what the cash amount is - they wouldnt pay the ‘extra’ for SJM and look what happened there.

Pure guesswork here, if Nisbets worth £3m, and Griffiths £1m, Id be looking for at least £2m from Celtic, and they aint gonna pay that.


£2m + LG would be criminal imo.

I think Nisbet is worth at least £5m and I hope Hibs stand firm.

[04Sauzee]

typical Celtic offer. Depends what the cash amount is - they wouldnt pay the ‘extra’ for SJM and look what happened there.

Pure guesswork here, if Nisbets worth £3m, and Griffiths £1m, Id be looking for at least £2m from Celtic, and they aint gonna pay that.
Never sure how they work out how much a player is worth in a swap + cash deal especially as I'm sure we are due Dunfermline money as part of the deal?

[CMurdoch]

typical Celtic offer. Depends what the cash amount is - they wouldnt pay the ‘extra’ for SJM and look what happened there.

Pure guesswork here, if Nisbets worth £3m, and Griffiths £1m, Id be looking for at least £2m from Celtic, and they aint gonna pay that.

If Griffiths is on say £9k a week his current value is circa minus £450k so he is a liability rather than an asset.
So £4 million for Nisbet and £300k for taking Griffiths of their hands. Alternatively Celtic can put £6k into Griffiths account every week for the rest of his contract whilst we take care of the other £3k

[Mr. Wonderful]

Absolutely zero guarantees that he’s going to “play his socks off”

By the same token, there's absolutely zero guarantees that he'd be pish. Just playing devils advocate

[jacomo]

Yes, its a great achievement as everyone has said. Again, does not make him a better player. Why did he concede so many more goals than Hanlon and Porteous?

If it was a 1 vs 1 sport and he beat Hanlon, I'd agree. Its not, though. I struggle to get the hype about any defender that sits on the edge of his own 18 yard box every week, lumping it into the stands in a system that suits him very well. Hanlon has shown for years (not just 11 cup ties) how good he is. He had a brilliant season last year as well. Can McCart even play at this level in a back 4? Has he ever done it?

Hanlon and Porteous are two of the best centre halfs in the league.


I agree with you re: Porteous and Hanlon. But we need more cover at CB and McCart might be a very good addition to those two.

[ElginHibbie]

Yes, its a great achievement as everyone has said. Again, does not make him a better player. Why did he concede so many more goals than Hanlon and Porteous?

If it was a 1 vs 1 sport and he beat Hanlon, I'd agree. Its not, though. I struggle to get the hype about any defender that sits on the edge of his own 18 yard box every week, lumping it into the stands in a system that suits him very well. Hanlon has shown for years (not just 11 cup ties) how good he is. He had a brilliant season last year as well. Can McCart even play at this level in a back 4? Has he ever done it?

Hanlon and Porteous are two of the best centre halfs in the league.

:agree:

I'd def take McCart but I don't think he's so good that he would just stroll into the team ahead of what we already have, unless we were moving to a back 3

[Mr. Wonderful]

Griffiths is not the same player he was a few seasons back. He's actually regressed further than anyone in the league I can think of off the top of my head.

Has he regressed or has he fallen out of favour and had many different issues stopping him getting a run in the team?

He was fit most of last season btw. Manager just couldn't afford him minutes to get fit

[ElginHibbie]

Has he regressed or has he fallen out of favour and had many different issues stopping him getting a run in the team?

He was fit most of last season btw. Manager just couldn't afford him minutes to get fit

And if he continues to have issues our manager wouldn't be able to afford him minutes either, we are not a charity that can afford to carry him and his baggage just cause he's a Hibs fan.

[Ray_]

Was Traore as central to his team winning those competitions as McCart was to St Johnstone?

It's a fantastic achievement what he done last season. If we'd won both cups last season we'd, quite rightly, be lauding Hanlon and Porteous as two of the best centre halfs in the league. We never though, we lost, in both competitions to McCart and St Johnstone. To me that says something about the lads ability and his character.

He didn't win the cup for ST Johnstone, their team won it. McCart was quite poor in the game on Thursday and if either Hanlon or Porteous played similarly they would have been crucified on here. As far as young defenders are concerned, I'd much rather have the one we have than any of ST Johnstone's three and that is not a slight against their players, just an appreciation of our young defender.

The first game it was our inability to take the numerous chances we created [which questions ST Johnstone's water tight defence], especially during the first half when the game should have been over by half-time and in the final the whole team played poorly, not that McCart played exceptionally keeping us out [he didn't have to].