Summer 2021-22 transfer thread

[brog]

Regan Hendry says Hibs were one of the clubs interested in signing him without doing anything about it. Not really sure what that means?

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/scottish-championship/2334904/exclusive-regan-hendry-aberdeen-hearts-hibs-transfer-news-forest-green-rovers-raith-rovers/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&amp&__twitter_impression=true

I thought he looked neat,tidy, a decent player without showing that he was a game changer. Very similar IMO to his fellow player Daniel Armstrong who we have monitored for years but never showed enough to convince us to make a bid.

[Heisenberg]

https://twitter.com/ortacizgicom/status/1408362916806602755?s=21

Seen a few Turkish sites on Twitter stating Besiktas are in talks to sign Porteous, most of them have very few followers however it seems to stem from the tweet above from an account that has over 84,000 followers which would give the page a degree of credibility.

I’m sure there’s plenty ***** Twitter accounts with loads of followers however I normally dismiss any pages that only have a few followers. Maybe one to keep an eye on.

Good find bingo. Seems to be suggesting it’s almost a done deal.

[bingo70]

Good find bingo. Seems to be suggesting it’s almost a done deal.

Clearly I don’t speak Turkish but to only follow 14 people and have 84k followers would be impressive if it was a nonsense account. Must have got a lot of things right in the past to get that sort of following without following other people first.

Although maybe a social media expert can put me right on that one.

[calumhibee1]

https://twitter.com/ortacizgicom/status/1408362916806602755?s=21

Seen a few Turkish sites on Twitter stating Besiktas are in talks to sign Porteous, most of them have very few followers however it seems to stem from the tweet above from an account that has over 84,000 followers which would give the page a degree of credibility.

I’m sure there’s plenty ***** Twitter accounts with loads of followers however I normally dismiss any pages that only have a few followers. Maybe one to keep an eye on.

Weird that there’s so much interest from turkey.

Would that suggest his agent is whoring him out to these clubs because Porto has said he wants to go abroad? Seems unlikely both would Galatasary and Besiktas would be looking at him off their own back.

[bingo70]

Weird that there’s so much interest from turkey.

Would that suggest his agent is whoring him out to these clubs because Porto has said he wants to go abroad? Seems unlikely both would Galatasary and Besiktas would be looking at him off their own back.

I think it’s feasible Porteous agent is touting him to clubs abroad.

It’s probably also possible they keep an eye on each other’s targets. They’ll be shopping in similar markets with similar budgets so why not? Sure that happens everywhere.

[Dmas]

Kevin Nisbet out and about with Scotland’s Celtic contingent yesterday could be absolutely nothing in it other than guys enjoying some down time after the euro’s but since we’re low on rumours could the quick turn around in the media bashing of Leigh, mean he’s coming to us in a player plus cash swap?

[Ozyhibby]

Kevin Nisbet out and about with Scotland’s Celtic contingent yesterday could be absolutely nothing in it other than guys enjoying some down time after the euro’s but since we’re low on rumours could the quick turn around in the media bashing of Leigh, mean he’s coming to us in a player plus cash swap?

No many player plus cash deals these days and can’t remember last time Hibs were involved in one?


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[Dmas]

No many player plus cash deals these days and can’t remember last time Hibs were involved in one?


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Cant remember any to be honest but what I do know is IF they want him they’ll try everything possible not to pay his value

[Highwayman]

Cant remember any to be honest but what I do know is IF they want him they’ll try everything possible not to pay his value

If Kevin Nesbit had got any real ambition for his future he should give Celtic a wide berth.

He should have a word with John McGinn who said he was glad he ignored Celtic and moved down south.Right decision without a doubt.

[Heisenberg]

Kevin Nisbet out and about with Scotland’s Celtic contingent yesterday could be absolutely nothing in it other than guys enjoying some down time after the euro’s but since we’re low on rumours could the quick turn around in the media bashing of Leigh, mean he’s coming to us in a player plus cash swap?

Griffiths is a free agent just now so if they signed him up for the purpose of trying to include him in a deal and lower the price paid i’d tell them to **** off.

£4m and Griffiths for free, please.

[bingo70]

Good find bingo. Seems to be suggesting it’s almost a done deal.

Looking up Porteous name on Twitter there’s more and more Turkish pages confirming he’s joining Besiktas. Certainly looks more than just a shady rumours page.

[ScottB]

Celtic don’t have enough in their biscuit tin for Nisbet and frankly Griffiths isn’t worth anything. Any sort of swap deal would have Celtic laughing all the way to the bank.

[bingo70]

Celtic don’t have enough in their biscuit tin for Nisbet and frankly Griffiths isn’t worth anything. Any sort of swap deal would have Celtic laughing all the way to the bank.

Celtic have got plenty in their biscuit tin and could afford Nisbet three times over. I can’t see it though as they tend not to pay Scottish clubs what players are worth.

Agree about Griffiths, he’s not got any monetary value just now, that’s not to say he wouldn’t be a good signing, I can’t see clubs spending money on him though, even if he did get a new contract to become a make weight in a deal.

[flash]

Looking up Porteous name on Twitter there’s more and more Turkish pages confirming he’s joining Besiktas. Certainly looks more than just a shady rumours page.

Good to see you up early to keep your exclusive on both forums' transfer threads.
Exactly what I would be doing. This is your baby.

[bingo70]

Good to see you up early to keep your exclusive on both forums' transfer threads.
Exactly what I would be doing. This is your baby.

Cheers.

Heard a rumour that whoever gets the scoop gets a 10 year free membership to the PM board so need to stay on top of it.

[Unseen work]

As already said but lots of content on Twitter of him joining Besiktas

The only fee I can see mentioned is 750k. Surely that bit is nonsense.

[flash]

Cheers.

Heard a rumour that whoever gets the scoop gets a 10 year free membership to the PM board so need to stay on top of it.

Well deserved. All those thankless twitter searches finally paying off.

[04Sauzee]

As already said but lots of content on Twitter of him joining Besiktas

The only fee I can see mentioned is 750k. Surely that bit is nonsense.

And that's Euros so I can't imagine that's the price agreed like you say

[flash]

As already said but lots of content on Twitter of him joining Besiktas

The only fee I can see mentioned is 750k. Surely that bit is nonsense.

We turned down at least double that in January

[bingo70]

Well deserved. All those thankless twitter searches finally paying off.

It was either that or speak to the family and there was only one winner there.

To my own credit though, at least I’m not pretending to have some inside knowledge. Hopefully I don’t lose any ITK stars for that.

Great job policing the forum btw, board are lucky to have such a good poster keeping everyone right on what they should and shouldn’t post about 24/7 👍

[flash]

It was either that or speak to the family and there was only one winner there.

To my own credit though, at least I’m not pretending to have some inside knowledge. Hopefully I don’t lose any ITK stars for that.

Great job policing the forum btw, board are lucky to have such a good poster keeping everyone right on what they should and shouldn’t post about 24/7 👍

I can't take credit for others hard work in that respect.
I just wanted to congratulate you through gritted teeth for finding the Porteous stuff before me.

[Allez Hibs]

Get the impression Nisbet is desperate for a move to Celtic.

[jonny]

Griffiths is a free agent just now so if they signed him up for the purpose of trying to include him in a deal and lower the price paid i’d tell them to **** off.

£4m and Griffiths for free, please.


Griffiths was on the Euro breakfast show on Wednesday morning and said that the new manager had phoned him and that Griff was in his plans.
He said they were going to discuss a contract as soon as the new boy was in. Leigh said he was looking forward to getting a fresh start with the new manager
He's not going anywhere this summer.

[hibee-boys]

Get the impression Nisbet is desperate for a move to Celtic.

It’s maybe just me but I’ve found it real hard to take to Nisbet, not doubting he’s done the business for Hibs but if we get a decent fee I won’t be gutted to see him go.

[Jones28]

Get the impression Nisbet is desperate for a move to Celtic.

He’d quadruple his wages and be signing for the club he supports, I wouldn’t blame him for wanting the move. Hibs have to get the right price and after the McGinn fiasco Celtic will be wary of how they deal with it.

[Dmas]

It’s maybe just me but I’ve found it real hard to take to Nisbet, not doubting he’s done the business for Hibs but if we get a decent fee I won’t be gutted to see him go.

I think it’s been difficult because we’ve not been in to see him the transfer request in Jan wouldn’t have helped either

[Just_Jimmy]

It’s maybe just me but I’ve found it real hard to take to Nisbet, not doubting he’s done the business for Hibs but if we get a decent fee I won’t be gutted to see him go.same, I put it down to not seeing him for Hibs in the flesh due to covid. he's undoubtedly a talent but I just feel he comes across as thinking he's bigger than Hibs.

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[Heisenberg]

Get the impression Nisbet is desperate for a move to Celtic.

He posted something the other day and it was just him and the Celtc contingent on the Hampden pitch. Reminds me of Scott Allan hanging round the Rangers squad like a bad smell when he was trying to get a move there.

[Andy74]

Get the impression Nisbet is desperate for a move to Celtic.

I hadn’t really taken to him before. This sort of thing doesn’t help.

[matty_f]

Cheers.

Heard a rumour that whoever gets the scoop gets a 10 year free membership to the PM board so need to stay on top of it.

Incoming transfers only. :greengrin

[weecounty hibby]

Get the impression Nisbet is desperate for a move to Celtic.
Why wouldn't he be? Celtic fan, chance to probably quadruple his earnings. Guaranteed Scotland player from now on as a celtic player. We just need to make sure we get the best deal from them and I'm sure we will. We will always be a selling club for our very best players, sadly that means some will end up at the bigot twins. The very very best will end up in England like McGinn, others will fade into obscurity like Fyvie and McGeouch. The main thing is getting the most out of them when here and/or getting the most out of them when selling

[Since452]

I hadn’t really taken to him before. This sort of thing doesn’t help.

Same. My Raith Rovers mate had warned me that he'll look to leave at the first opportunity. The Birmingham thing kind of backed that up. As long as he keeps banging them in for us I'm not too bothered.

[davhibby]

Get the impression Nisbet is desperate for a move to Celtic.

Or he’s a celtic fan enjoying a night out with guys he’s just spent a month in the Scotland squad with?

If all you had to do to get a move somewhere was post an instagram story then every footballer would be playing for Barcelona

[Stuart93]

Same. My Raith Rovers mate had warned me that he'll look to leave at the first opportunity. The Birmingham thing kind of backed that up. As long as he keeps banging them in for us I'm not too bothered.

Or as long as we get a good fee for him I wouldn’t be too upset to see him move on

[ancient hibee]

It’s interesting that so many posters don’t care that our best striker may move on.Much of it seems based on hearsay and rumour of the kind of guy he is. Maybe it’ll make it easier to criticise the club and manager this coming season if we don’t do as well.

[Since452]

Or as long as we get a good fee for him I wouldn’t be too upset to see him move on

That too yeah

[Lancs Harp]

I dont think Nisbet was ever going to hang around too long. Its about what we can get for him and and how we use the transfer fee and progress from there, with the sort of fees beng mentioned we could strengthen various areas of the team if we played our cards right. I would be most surprised if we saw him in a Hibs shirt next season.

[MWHIBBIES]

The length if Nisbets contract means the only thing he'll be doing this summer is what Hibs tell him to do.

[green day]

The length if Nisbets contract means the only thing he'll be doing this summer is what Hibs tell him to do.

Correct. And if we get a stellar offer, then cest la vie - thanks and goodbye

[The Count]

I like the guy dont really know what he has done or said to upset some.We will get a good fee for him and we move on its happened numerous timrs over the years and will not change.Older Hibbies learn its life and its something we have to accept.

[Smartie]

Nisbet’s time at Hibs has been transactional and loveless. Even seeing a Hibs player at the Euros was like that, hoping Hibs get an extra few quid courtesy of the few minutes he got on the park here and there rather than actually wanting any sort of success for “one of our own” which it’s never felt like he is.

With hindsight, I sort of wish he and Porteous had been allowed to leave in January. Whilst there would have been issues with finding replacements, their on-field positive contributions haven’t matched their own inflated opinions of themselves.

It’s weird when they’re both as good as they are (and have the potential to be better still) but I just can’t wait for them to leave, for us to get the money in and for us to get players in who actually give the impression that they’re grateful to be playing for Hibs for a while, even whilst accepting that we’re often nothing more than a stepping stone for good players.

Tin hat on.

[Winston Ingram]

I’d be delighted if he went to Celtic. He’s probably the most overrated player I can ever remember at Hibs.

[SMAXXA]

Nisbet’s time at Hibs has been transactional and loveless. Even seeing a Hibs player at the Euros was like that, hoping Hibs get an extra few quid courtesy of the few minutes he got on the park here and there rather than actually wanting any sort of success for “one of our own” which it’s never felt like he is.

With hindsight, I sort of wish he and Porteous had been allowed to leave in January. Whilst there would have been issues with finding replacements, their on-field positive contributions haven’t matched their own inflated opinions of themselves.

It’s weird when they’re both as good as they are (and have the potential to be better still) but I just can’t wait for them to leave, for us to get the money in and for us to get players in who actually give the impression that they’re grateful to be playing for Hibs for a while, even whilst accepting that we’re often nothing more than a stepping stone for good players.

Tin hat on.

I find this utterly bizarre so tin hat defo a good thing lol

[Ronniekirk]

Celtic have got plenty in their biscuit tin and could afford Nisbet three times over. I can’t see it though as they tend not to pay Scottish clubs what players are worth.

Agree about Griffiths, he’s not got any monetary value just now, that’s not to say he wouldn’t be a good signing, I can’t see clubs spending money on him though, even if he did get a new contract to become a make weight in a deal.

With the changes Celtic have made in the Board room and Management Team it could be we see them loosen the purse strings in new Managers first Season or they could be playing catch up with Rangers fir more seasons than would be acceptable to the Fan Base
Time will tell


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[Peevemor]

Like others I'm neither here nor there with Nisbet. If he goes it'll be for good money and I think we'll be able to replace him.

I'd be far more concerned if we were to lose Doidge.

[Bostonhibby]

Like others I'm neither here nor there with Nisbet. If he goes it'll be for good money and I think we'll be able to replace him.

I'd be far more concerned if we were to lose Doidge.I like Nisbet, dont think he's done much wrong to be honest, agree re Doidge entirely.

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[Sean1875]

Celtic won’t win the league with Nisbet. If they want to shell out £4m for him to sit on their bench then they’re more than welcome.


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[Greenio]

same, I put it down to not seeing him for Hibs in the flesh due to covid. he's undoubtedly a talent but I just feel he comes across as thinking he's bigger than Hibs.

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I want players playing for us that have ambitions to go way bigger than Hibs.

Obviously its how you phrase it, eg 'bigger than hibs' but I've seen nothing to suggest he's arrogant

What's the alternative? We want every player to think we're as good as its guna ever be for them? No thanks

[JohnM1875]

Get the impression Nisbet is desperate for a move to Celtic.

He just seems really really thick eh? Not one us suggesting he doesn't take time off and enjoy it with mates. He's deserved it. But **** like that Instagram post is just moronic and disrespectful to your current employer. There's plenty pictures out there with Allan and all his hun mates. But he's not posting stuff like 'Mon the Billy Boys.

Not one of my season ticket four have ever takwn to the guy. Which is weird for someone who's scored so many goals and earned a call up and a handful of caps whilst at Hibs.

Hope he moves in the summer for a good price and makes Hibs decent money.

[Andy74]

Nisbet’s time at Hibs has been transactional and loveless. Even seeing a Hibs player at the Euros was like that, hoping Hibs get an extra few quid courtesy of the few minutes he got on the park here and there rather than actually wanting any sort of success for “one of our own” which it’s never felt like he is.

With hindsight, I sort of wish he and Porteous had been allowed to leave in January. Whilst there would have been issues with finding replacements, their on-field positive contributions haven’t matched their own inflated opinions of themselves.

It’s weird when they’re both as good as they are (and have the potential to be better still) but I just can’t wait for them to leave, for us to get the money in and for us to get players in who actually give the impression that they’re grateful to be playing for Hibs for a while, even whilst accepting that we’re often nothing more than a stepping stone for good players.

Tin hat on.

Think your first paragraph sums it up. It has felt transactional. Maybe just not seeing him in the flesh but don’t get any sense of personality or enjoying being here from him.

[Just_Jimmy]

I want players playing for us that have ambitions to go way bigger than Hibs.

Obviously its how you phrase it, eg 'bigger than hibs' but I've seen nothing to suggest he's arrogant

What's the alternative? We want every player to think we're as good as its guna ever be for them? No thanksas do I, and most do but there's ways of doing it. we all know they'll move on at some time but do it respectfully.

I'm ambitious and I've had jobs and roles that I've know from day one that I only took as a stepping stone. I always gave my all and acted respectfully. when it came to leaving I left on terms that I would always be able to go back. it's not hard to just keep your head down and bat any questions away. just mention you're committed to being the best you can be and you're happy at Hibs. when he moves then he moves.





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[green day]

Nisbet’s time at Hibs has been transactional and loveless. Even seeing a Hibs player at the Euros was like that, hoping Hibs get an extra few quid courtesy of the few minutes he got on the park here and there rather than actually wanting any sort of success for “one of our own” which it’s never felt like he is.

With hindsight, I sort of wish he and Porteous had been allowed to leave in January. Whilst there would have been issues with finding replacements, their on-field positive contributions haven’t matched their own inflated opinions of themselves.

It’s weird when they’re both as good as they are (and have the potential to be better still) but I just can’t wait for them to leave, for us to get the money in and for us to get players in who actually give the impression that they’re grateful to be playing for Hibs for a while, even whilst accepting that we’re often nothing more than a stepping stone for good players.

Tin hat on.

I dont think you need a tin hat on at all.

I want a team that will give their all for us, I want players that understand that if they do well for us they can get their dream move to England or wherever - but it should be a 2 way street.

Nisbet was given time to come to terms with the situation with his dad, and Hibs (as you would expect) seemed to do all the right things by him and treated him well and respectfully.

A few short weeks later, how he and his agents handled the Birmingham thing was the polar opposite - and left me a wee bit scunnered if I am honest.

He is not a Hibs fan, I dont expect him to be a badge kissing Franscesco Totti, but a little thought and consideration might have been appropriate.

[Hillsidehibby]

Porteous away to Besiktas?
Sorry if I missed any previous threads

[madhatter]

Porteous away to Besiktas?
Sorry if I missed any previous threads

That seems like it is gathering pace anyway...

[stantonsboots]

Like others I'm neither here nor there with Nisbet. If he goes it'll be for good money and I think we'll be able to replace him.

I'd be far more concerned if we were to lose Doidge.I agree, I like Nisbet but I think Doidge is the better all round player?
get as much as we can for Nisbet and invest it in players who want to be here!

[ahibby]

I dont think you need a tin hat on at all.

I want a team that will give their all for us, I want players that understand that if they do well for us they can get their dream move to England or wherever - but it should be a 2 way street.

Nisbet was given time to come to terms with the situation with his dad, and Hibs (as you would expect) seemed to do all the right things by him and treated him well and respectfully.

A few short weeks later, how he and his agents handled the Birmingham thing was the polar opposite - and left me a wee bit scunnered if I am honest.

He is not a Hibs fan, I dont expect him to be a badge kissing Franscesco Totti, but a little thought and consideration might have been appropriate.

Its been said before that he hasn't played in front of our fans, and perhaps thats part of the reason he hasn't become one of us. On the other hand maybe its just him. I see a massive contrast between him and Christian who always puts in a massive shift for us. Different abilities, personalities znd characters I know but it shows how important it is to us that a player gives the impression he gives us his all always. I have no idea how difficult Kevin would be to replace but whatever is best for him and us, and we shouldnt keep a player who wants to move for higher kudos and wages.

[CMurdoch]

Nisbet’s time at Hibs has been transactional and loveless. Even seeing a Hibs player at the Euros was like that, hoping Hibs get an extra few quid courtesy of the few minutes he got on the park here and there rather than actually wanting any sort of success for “one of our own” which it’s never felt like he is.

With hindsight, I sort of wish he and Porteous had been allowed to leave in January. Whilst there would have been issues with finding replacements, their on-field positive contributions haven’t matched their own inflated opinions of themselves.

It’s weird when they’re both as good as they are (and have the potential to be better still) but I just can’t wait for them to leave, for us to get the money in and for us to get players in who actually give the impression that they’re grateful to be playing for Hibs for a while, even whilst accepting that we’re often nothing more than a stepping stone for good players.

Tin hat on.

Glad we didn't sell either in January because there was no good reason to.

Since then Nisbet has further enhanced his reputation both within and more importantly outside Scotland. The good strikers goal against Holland and his brief appearances at the Euro's will help Hibs to move him on for more than the £2 million Birmingham were offering Hibs. In the meantime he will continue knocking in the goals for Hibs.
As for it being a loveless transaction what do you think Ron Gordon is all about. We are supporters of his club and everything in that club including the players are his assets and he will work us all for his and the clubs financial benefit.
From comments made by Nisbet when he arrived at Hibs I believe he is on a lower wage than he was offered when we tried to sign him 6 months previously. He has done the business and if he is to stay at Hibs this season they should put that right.
A good first half of the season for Hibs and clubs will be all over him with big offers in the January window.

As for Porteous, a million quid was a pants offer. Could cash him in for that sum anytime we want.
Hopefully a more pragmatic and less error prone Porteous plays next season. All the ability in the world who only needs to improve his decision making to move onto the next level. FWIW I would put money on him making the necessary tweaks this season. Greater chance of him being a success at a high level than Nisbet.

Hopefully when we get back into Easter Road Nisbet is still there and we can get properly connected with the players again.

[hibbysam]

Nisbet’s time at Hibs has been transactional and loveless. Even seeing a Hibs player at the Euros was like that, hoping Hibs get an extra few quid courtesy of the few minutes he got on the park here and there rather than actually wanting any sort of success for “one of our own” which it’s never felt like he is.

With hindsight, I sort of wish he and Porteous had been allowed to leave in January. Whilst there would have been issues with finding replacements, their on-field positive contributions haven’t matched their own inflated opinions of themselves.

It’s weird when they’re both as good as they are (and have the potential to be better still) but I just can’t wait for them to leave, for us to get the money in and for us to get players in who actually give the impression that they’re grateful to be playing for Hibs for a while, even whilst accepting that we’re often nothing more than a stepping stone for good players.

Tin hat on.

So even though he’s now scored in an international against a top side, played at the euros, it’s a better time to sell and maximise value, you’d rather we had sold in January for less money? Not sure how that makes any sense. I’m a Hibs supporter, players will come and go, however our job is to maximise our income when the time comes to sell and January wasn’t the time to do so.

[Billy Whizz]

I agree, I like Nisbet but I think Doidge is the better all round player?
get as much as we can for Nisbet and invest it in players who want to be here!

Doidge is out of contract next summer, so depends if he wants to stay up here longer
Any idea if his family is in Scotland with him

[stantonsboots]

Doidge is out of contract next summer, so depends if he wants to stay up here longer
Any idea if his family is in Scotland with him
I'm not sure if he has any family(married or kids)

[Stuart93]

Doidge is out of contract next summer, so depends if he wants to stay up here longer
Any idea if his family is in Scotland with him

Aw is he...had no idea, we could do with getting him signed up on a longer contract this summer

[B.H.F.C]

I’m more concerned about when we sell Nisbet than actually selling him. I really don’t want it to be six or seven weeks down the line with the season already started

He’s comfortably our best striker when he wants to be IMO but he’s only scored six goals for us in 2021. Think it’s in his head that he wants to leave and I don’t think we’ll get the best from him, other than when he fancies it.

[Dmas]

I’m more concerned about when we sell Nisbet than actually selling him. I really don’t want it to be six or seven weeks down the line with the season already started

He’s comfortably our best striker when he wants to be IMO but he’s only scored six goals for us in 2021. Think it’s in his head that he wants to leave and I don’t think we’ll get the best from him, other than when he fancies it.

I actually think the interest in him made him believe he was better than he was and he stopped doing the things he was doing so well before the Birmingham bid he was coming very deep and trying to link moves a lot when before he was arriving at the times or picking the ball up 20yards from goal looking for a shot.

It could also have been the time out after Jan took the sting out him I’m aware there was more too it than just a possible inflated opinion of himself

[hhibs]

With the changes Celtic have made in the Board room and Management Team it could be we see them loosen the purse strings in new Managers first Season or they could be playing catch up with Rangers fir more seasons than would be acceptable to the Fan Base
Time will tell


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I think it unlikely that any Celtic board would give Hibs the best deal for any of our players ,far better sell down South with sell on clause where we gain more.IMO

[J-C]

Nisbet is a fairly decent player for this level but the speed he's changed clubs recently seems to say he's happy to chase the dosh.

[Smartie]

So even though he’s now scored in an international against a top side, played at the euros, it’s a better time to sell and maximise value, you’d rather we had sold in January for less money? Not sure how that makes any sense. I’m a Hibs supporter, players will come and go, however our job is to maximise our income when the time comes to sell and January wasn’t the time to do so.

All of which is true and I fully accept from a business point of view, and I realise how important doing good business is from a Hibs point of view. As a fan though I’m all about success on the park.

Last season though was, in my opinion a missed opportunity to do a bit better on the field rather than a roaring success, albeit we weren’t far away. When it comes down to our old favourite “fine margins” we need our best players to be focussed and giving us their best. I don’t think we got that during the second half of the season from some of our better players. That’s why I’m probably quite comfortable with the idea of losing a couple of than I possibly should be, and having a big pile of money to replace them.

I guess we’re weighing up the increase in the amount of money likely generated in these 2 players between January and now with the hypothetical improvement we’d have had with them not playing and someone else in.

And I don’t think we have a hope in hell of these players being interested in playing for Hibs in future, until maybe they’ve gone down South or West and failed and need to rebuild again.

[S4uzee]

Nisbet’s time at Hibs has been transactional and loveless. Even seeing a Hibs player at the Euros was like that, hoping Hibs get an extra few quid courtesy of the few minutes he got on the park here and there rather than actually wanting any sort of success for “one of our own” which it’s never felt like he is.

With hindsight, I sort of wish he and Porteous had been allowed to leave in January. Whilst there would have been issues with finding replacements, their on-field positive contributions haven’t matched their own inflated opinions of themselves.

It’s weird when they’re both as good as they are (and have the potential to be better still) but I just can’t wait for them to leave, for us to get the money in and for us to get players in who actually give the impression that they’re grateful to be playing for Hibs for a while, even whilst accepting that we’re often nothing more than a stepping stone for good players.

Tin hat on.

Couldn’t have put it better myself. Nisbet handing in a transfer request after 6 months where his previous clubs were Raith and Dunfermline and subsequently made it into Scotland’s Euro squad. I don’t think he’d have managed that playing for a poor Birmingham side. Not to mention his complete lack of effort in the final, I’d happily see him leave. Extremely overrated

[SMAXXA]

Nisbet is a fairly decent player for this level but the speed he's changed clubs recently seems to say he's happy to chase the dosh.

Or continue to develop and step up the leagues catching up for lost time when his career went backwards? Not even those who don’t like him can surly blame him for that

[Jonnyboy]

Or continue to develop and step up the leagues catching up for lost time when his career went backwards? Not even those who don’t like him can surly blame him for that

Agreed. If moving up the league ladder is chasing the cash then he’s guilty as charged. The laddie is ambitious and moved to a bigger club each time. Nobody can justifiably criticise him for that, surely?

[3pm]

Interesting views on Nisbet.

Nobody was suggesting he was chasing the cash when he turned down Hearts when they came in at the last minute. He took his pay cut like everyone else and was happy to do his bit when he joined. He stuck to his word about joining Hibs when he was disappointed his move fell through. Good guy in my book.

I get the bit about the connection but in my amateur opinion, he's our best player and I'll be disappointed never to got to have watched him in person.

[silverhibee]

Celtic won’t win the league with Nisbet. If they want to shell out £4m for him to sit on their bench then they’re more than welcome.


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That was my thinking, the hoardes will want a big name player, if Celtc were to sign Nisbet and give Griffiths another deal and Angi will be seen of by the green brigade

[Mr. Wonderful]

Interesting views on Nisbet.

Nobody was suggesting he was chasing the cash when he turned down Hearts when they came in at the last minute. He took his pay cut like everyone else and was happy to do his bit when he joined. He stuck to his word about joining Hibs when he was disappointed his move fell through. Good guy in my book.

I get the bit about the connection but in my amateur opinion, he's our best player and I'll be disappointed never to got to have watched him in person.

It's possible that he's not chasing the money as such, but chasing achievement. And achievement in his eyes is playing at as high a level as he can.

I don't think he's as good as he thinks he is and I'd have him sold if we're gonna get good money

[ancient hibee]

Agreed. If moving up the league ladder is chasing the cash then he’s guilty as charged. The laddie is ambitious and moved to a bigger club each time. Nobody can justifiably criticise him for that, surely?

They can on here. Where is the replacement coming from? He was by far the best Scottish striker in the league.

[ancient hibee]

It's possible that he's not chasing the money as such, but chasing achievement. And achievement in his eyes is playing at as high a level as he can.

I don't think he's as good as he thinks he is and I'd have him sold if we're gonna get good money

And how good does he think he is? Good enough to play for Scotland at the Euros maybe?

[Rumble de Thump]

It's possible that he's not chasing the money as such, but chasing achievement. And achievement in his eyes is playing at as high a level as he can.

I don't think he's as good as he thinks he is and I'd have him sold if we're gonna get good money


How good does he think he is?

[500miles]

Nisbet isn't that young, so if he feels he needs to keep moving up the ladder, fair enough. We get 3rd and paid, he keeps developing.

[147lothian]

Reading this thread you would think that Nisbet is the only player ever who wants to play at as high a level as possible and make a career out of the game, sorry to disappoint some but he is not the first and most certainly wont be the last, its the way of the world nowadays. The alternative is of course not to sign players who want to move to a higher level.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Reading this thread you would think that Nisbet is the only player ever who wants to play at as high a level as possible and make a career out of the game, sorry to disappoint some but he is not the first and most certainly wont be the last, its the way of the world nowadays. The alternative is of course not to sign players who want to move to a higher level.

Surely you must realise that Hibs fans understand this?

I don’t think anyone’s surprised or upset the fact that players want to better themselves. It’s the not even being here for 6 months before handing in a t’fer request then spitting the dummy when you don’t get your own way that is hard to stomach.

[Iain G]

They can on here. Where is the replacement coming from? He was by far the best Scottish striker in the league.

Maybe we unleash Ethan Laidlaw on the world?

[Smartie]

Reading this thread you would think that Nisbet is the only player ever who wants to play at as high a level as possible and make a career out of the game, sorry to disappoint some but he is not the first and most certainly wont be the last, its the way of the world nowadays. The alternative is of course not to sign players who want to move to a higher level.

I don’t think anyone has any issue with players wanting to better themselves - it’s when their desire to leave is either premature or disrespectful to Hibs that folk have an issue with.

We saw Steven Whittaker retire recently, who when he did so received unanimous good wishes from Hibs fans. He even managed to play for Rangers and still receive good wishes, because he acted and spoke with dignity throughout his entire career. We all accepted that Hibs were never going to be the pinnacle of his career but since he was respectful on his way up we were still there for him on his way back down, and who knows what the future might hold for him re coaching or managing.

I think some of these young lads could do with paying attention to what he did, even if it’s just down to thinking twice before sticking something on social media.

[brog]

They can on here. Where is the replacement coming from? He was by far the best Scottish striker in the league.

Exactly right. We have a guy who has moved up a league in each of the last 2 seasons and taken it all in his stride. He's the top Scottish scorer in our league, has been capped and scored against top class international opposition. That's outstanding and he's still only 24. Meanwhile the majority on here seem unconcerned that he may leave & other than the annual LG rumours there's not been a whisper of a replacement striker. I find that incomprehensible.

[Andy74]

Reading this thread you would think that Nisbet is the only player ever who wants to play at as high a level as possible and make a career out of the game, sorry to disappoint some but he is not the first and most certainly wont be the last, its the way of the world nowadays. The alternative is of course not to sign players who want to move to a higher level.

Have you actually read this thread?

[Argylehibby]

Can’t understand why folk want Nisbet to leave because he wants to earn more elsewhere yet would gladly take LG back despite him hanging on at Celtic for the bigger wage and he would only come here if Celtic don’t want him. Ones 24 and likely to improve the others at the tail end of his career and there’s no guarantee he will be able to reproduce what he’s done in the past. I’d be delighted if LG came here but happier if KN stayed.

[J-C]

Or continue to develop and step up the leagues catching up for lost time when his career went backwards? Not even those who don’t like him can surly blame him for that

I get all that and tbh I don't blame him for doing it, sometimes there has to come a time when he says let's have one more year, develop a bit more and let the fans see what I can really do. Outwith his goals his game is far from complete and still has work to do but good luck to the lad wherever he goes except to Celtic.

[Peevemor]

Hardly anybody here wants him to leave, it's just that there appears to be many, like myself, who won't be devastated if he does.

He has scored plenty goals but he's also been fairly anonymous at times. We could say the same for some of our former favourite strikers, but there obviously hasn't been the same connection with the fans, nor have there been wonder goals of which the likes of Riordan and Griffiths were capable. This is what makes supporters desparate to keep forwards.

[badabing67]

Maybe we unleash Ethan Laidlaw on the world?

Sounds like a plan to me :agree:

[loanheadhibby]

Kevin Nisbet would do well to have a word with Marc McNulty. A guy who was making Scotland squads whilst at Hibs. Since he departed Easter Road, I’m not sure he’s had a sniff at a Scotland squad

[Borderhibbie76]

Be nice to hear about some incomings sooner rather than later too...just realised its 3 weeks on Thurs till our 1st Euro tie

[HFC93]

Be nice to hear about some incomings sooner rather than later too...just realised its 3 weeks on Thurs till our 1st Euro tie

The thing is we're in pretty good shape going in to that game. We haven't lost anyone of significance plus we have Mallan, Allan and Gullan back. I would rather we wait to bring the the right 2-3 players in that will improve us.

[Gmack7]

The thing is we're in pretty good shape going in to that game. We haven't lost anyone of significance plus we have Mallan, Allan and Gullan back. I would rather we wait to bring the the right 2-3 players in that will improve us.

And young Mackay

[Gorebridge Hibb]

The thing is we're in pretty good shape going in to that game. We haven't lost anyone of significance plus we have Mallan, Allan and Gullan back. I would rather we wait to bring the the right 2-3 players in that will improve us.

Anyone hearing Porteous to Besiktas? Heard it’s happening from someone just now

[Mr. Wonderful]

The thing is we're in pretty good shape going in to that game. We haven't lost anyone of significance plus we have Mallan, Allan and Gullan back. I would rather we wait to bring the the right 2-3 players in that will improve us.

Good enough for more falling at the final hurdle. But if we want to actually, you know, maybe win cup finals and consistently get 3rd place finishes we need better.

[Borderhibbie76]

The thing is we're in pretty good shape going in to that game. We haven't lost anyone of significance plus we have Mallan, Allan and Gullan back. I would rather we wait to bring the the right 2-3 players in that will improve us.

Very true I was meaning more should we lose either or both of Porto or Nisbet in the next 3 weeks

[bingo70]

Anyone hearing Porteous to Besiktas? Heard it’s happening from someone just now

Lot of posts about it earlier.

Seems to be a lot of Turkish Twitter pages reporting it. Nothing being said by our media though.

[Andy74]

Good enough for more falling at the final hurdle. But if we want to actually, you know, maybe win cup finals and consistently get 3rd place finishes we need better.

Which is why it is important to get good players in but not necessarily in the next 3 weeks.

[JimBHibees]

Doidge is out of contract next summer, so depends if he wants to stay up here longer
Any idea if his family is in Scotland with him

Not sure he is married.

[hibbysam]

All of which is true and I fully accept from a business point of view, and I realise how important doing good business is from a Hibs point of view. As a fan though I’m all about success on the park.

Last season though was, in my opinion a missed opportunity to do a bit better on the field rather than a roaring success, albeit we weren’t far away. When it comes down to our old favourite “fine margins” we need our best players to be focussed and giving us their best. I don’t think we got that during the second half of the season from some of our better players. That’s why I’m probably quite comfortable with the idea of losing a couple of than I possibly should be, and having a big pile of money to replace them.

I guess we’re weighing up the increase in the amount of money likely generated in these 2 players between January and now with the hypothetical improvement we’d have had with them not playing and someone else in.

And I don’t think we have a hope in hell of these players being interested in playing for Hibs in future, until maybe they’ve gone down South or West and failed and need to rebuild again.

Weren’t the bids very late on though? Who’s to say we could’ve replaced them easily? They still played a part in our run in and had we sold them, along with the negativity that would’ve brought, who’s to say how the season would’ve ended up.

January is an awful time to sell players under contract, especially when your not under pressure to do so. It would’ve resulted in us raking around in desperation to find a replacement. It would’ve been a huge gamble.

[Dmas]

Rumours on Celtic social media of a deal for Nisbet 2.5m and 15% sell on, don’t know why we’re accepting less now than in January sounds like wishful thinking on their part

[Greenbeard]

I agree, I like Nisbet but I think Doidge is the better all round player?
get as much as we can for Nisbet and invest it in players who want to be here!
Doidge has grown on me, especially because of his work rate and tracking back, but he is a bit unco at times. Nisbet is by far the better finisher, he's more skillful, and has better poise, balance and movement. He can make what he does look easy or casual whereas Doidge often looks awkward or lucky. Of the two, Nisbet is by far the more likely to be able to play at a higher level.

[Stuart93]

Rumours on Celtic social media of a deal for Nisbet 2.5m and 15% sell on, don’t know why we’re accepting less now than in January sounds like wishful thinking on their part

I’d ignore them.

Putting 2 & 2 together and making up a fee me thinks

[Dmas]

I’d ignore them.

Putting 2 & 2 together and making up a fee me thinks

Correct

[Lancs Harp]

I’d ignore them.

Putting 2 & 2 together and making up a fee me thinks

At our recent cup final do in Blackpool I had the misfortune to sit next to a gobby Celtic fan who expressed his disappointment at probably losing Eduardo. I told him he was coming to Hibs I thought he was going to have a heart attack his eyes were bulging out of his head.

[bingo70]

For anyone interested…..

There was an excellent article a few months back (sorry can’t remember who by) with potential replacements from across europe for Nisbet if he left.

One of them was Pierre Van Hooijdonks boy who was leaving NAC Breda this summer, anyway we can strike him off the list (that never really existed) as he’s joining Bologna.

[Dmas]

For anyone interested…..

There was an excellent article a few months back (sorry can’t remember who by) with potential replacements from across europe for Nisbet if he left.

One of them was Pierre Van Hooijdonks boy who was leaving NAC Breda this summer, anyway we can strike him off the list (that never really existed) as he’s joining Bologna.


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[Andy74]

Doidge has grown on me, especially because of his work rate and tracking back, but he is a bit unco at times. Nisbet is by far the better finisher, he's more skillful, and has better poise, balance and movement. He can make what he does look easy or casual whereas Doidge often looks awkward or lucky. Of the two, Nisbet is by far the more likely to be able to play at a higher level.

A bit overplayed that I think.

Nothing very special about Nisbet’s all round play or finishing.

Doidge scored more in less games in his first season with us. Overall there isn’t much in it scoring rate wise if you average out Doidge’s 2 seasons.

Add to that Doidge contributes hugely to the team in his general play. Not sure Nisbet does.

If I had to choose one of them to keep it would be Doidge every time.

[Sean1875]

Not sure he is married.

Not married, got a girlfriend from Edinburgh though. Think it was from her Instagram story that the infamous ‘champagne’ video after the final was taken from though so she may not be the girlfriend anymore :greengrin

[Ronniekirk]

I think it unlikely that any Celtic board would give Hibs the best deal for any of our players ,far better sell down South with sell on clause where we gain more.IMO

Sorry I was making a general statement Was t suggesting we should sell to them


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[JimBHibees]

A bit overplayed that I think.

Nothing very special about Nisbet’s all round play or finishing.

Doidge scored more in less games in his first season with us. Overall there isn’t much in it scoring rate wise if you average out Doidge’s 2 seasons.

Add to that Doidge contributes hugely to the team in his general play. Not sure Nisbet does.

If I had to choose one of them to keep it would be Doidge every time.

His finishing is superb and miles better than Doidges.

[Andy74]

His finishing is superb and miles better than Doidges.

That’s just a meaningless comment.

Nisbet’s scoring rate is a tiny fraction ahead of Doidge’s. It remains to be seen if he’d keep that going. Doidge has 2 seasons to average out and his first season he scored at a better rate than Nisbet did this year.

Doidge probably got goal of the season too.

So in what ways does Nisbet’s ‘miles better’ finishing play out?

[Greenbeard]

A bit overplayed that I think.

Nothing very special about Nisbet’s all round play or finishing.

Doidge scored more in less games in his first season with us. Overall there isn’t much in it scoring rate wise if you average out Doidge’s 2 seasons.

Add to that Doidge contributes hugely to the team in his general play. Not sure Nisbet does.

If I had to choose one of them to keep it would be Doidge every time.
It's not just about scoring rate though is it. And if there was a non-scoring rate ie misses, I'd expect Doidge to be a good bit ahead, even more so if there was a sclaff rate (including his seemingly square head).

[Greenbeard]

That’s just a meaningless comment.

Nisbet’s scoring rate is a tiny fraction ahead of Doidge’s. It remains to be seen if he’d keep that going. Doidge has 2 seasons to average out and his first season he scored at a better rate than Nisbet did this year.

Doidge probably got goal of the season too.

So in what ways does Nisbet’s ‘miles better’ finishing play out?
It's not just about scoring rate though is it....etc.

[Andy74]

It's not just about scoring rate though is it. And if there was a non-scoring rate ie misses, I'd expect Doidge to be a good bit ahead, even more so if there was a sclaff rate (including his seemingly square head).

Nisbet misses a lot too. People’s perception’s at play if scoring rates over a season or in Doidge’s case 2 full seasons isn’t relevant.

If it isn’t just about scoring rate then Doidge becomes much more important than Nisbet.

Square head? Aye, very good. One of the best headers of a ball we’ve had.

[brog]

That’s just a meaningless comment.

Nisbet’s scoring rate is a tiny fraction ahead of Doidge’s. It remains to be seen if he’d keep that going. Doidge has 2 seasons to average out and his first season he scored at a better rate than Nisbet did this year.

Doidge probably got goal of the season too.

So in what ways does Nisbet’s ‘miles better’ finishing play out?

You're emphasising scoring stats Andy. Let's concentrate on league games only, that's a more valid comparison.
Christian, 1st season, 7 goals in 36 games, 29 starts
Kevin, 1st season, 14 goals in 33 games, 28 starts.
There's how Nisbet's 'miles better finishing plays out. His scoring stats are more than twice better than CD's It's also why there's lots of interest in signing Nisbet & none, that we're aware of, in signing Christian. I like Doidge but IMO he's well behind Kevin in all aspects of his game with the possible exception of heading.

[B.H.F.C]

You're emphasising scoring stats Andy. Let's concentrate on league games only, that's a more valid comparison.
Christian, 1st season, 7 goals in 36 games, 29 starts
Kevin, 1st season, 14 goals in 33 games, 28 starts.
There's how Nisbet's 'miles better finishing plays out. His scoring stats are more than twice better than CD's It's also why there's lots of interest in signing Nisbet & none, that we're aware of, in signing Christian. I like Doidge but IMO he's well behind Kevin in all aspects of his game with the possible exception of heading.

Not sure you’re stats are right as we only played 30 games in Doidge’s first season but I agree with your point. Nisbet is a far better player and I’m not even his biggest fan. There is a reason he go for a seven figure fee. Doidge scored half his goals against lower league teams last year, league return was very poor.

[degenerated]

You're emphasising scoring stats Andy. Let's concentrate on league games only, that's a more valid comparison.
Christian, 1st season, 7 goals in 36 games, 29 starts
Kevin, 1st season, 14 goals in 33 games, 28 starts.
There's how Nisbet's 'miles better finishing plays out. His scoring stats are more than twice better than CD's It's also why there's lots of interest in signing Nisbet & none, that we're aware of, in signing Christian. I like Doidge but IMO he's well behind Kevin in all aspects of his game with the possible exception of heading.Doidge scored 12 in 28 league games in his 1st season at the club

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[madhatter]

You're emphasising scoring stats Andy. Let's concentrate on league games only, that's a more valid comparison.
Christian, 1st season, 7 goals in 36 games, 29 starts
Kevin, 1st season, 14 goals in 33 games, 28 starts.
There's how Nisbet's 'miles better finishing plays out. His scoring stats are more than twice better than CD's It's also why there's lots of interest in signing Nisbet & none, that we're aware of, in signing Christian. I like Doidge but IMO he's well behind Kevin in all aspects of his game with the possible exception of heading.

Hibs website has Doidge scoring 19 goals in 39 games in his 1st season. Pretty sure he didn't score 12 goals in 3 games beyond the 36 you mention...

Doidge is by no means a silky player but he does a lot of hold up play and is the first Hibs striker I can remember for a while who I genuinely thought was dangerous from crossed balls.

Nisbet is overrated; I'm glad, I hope we can profit from this but he is far from being miles better than Doidge. People can like or dislike John Collins but his comments about Nisbet were sort of right. Unlike Doidge, Nisbet could play a whole match and be anonymous, he doesn't chase back as much, doesn't hold the ball up as well and doesn't win as many headers. He has better technique than Doidge but he is far from being Riordan in that regard. O'Connor was a better finisher than Nisbet.

Nisbet's technique and finishing are summed up by some of his snatched half-volley/volleys where he regularly catches it on the wrong part of his foot and sends it wide. He isn't a cultured finisher. He has potential so maybe one day he will be.

Nisbet is a decent player at our level, he has potential but his inflated opinion of his ability and 6month stays at clubs before seeking the next pay check seems to be infectious - everyone thinks he is the next big thing and the ability of his strike partner seems to be dwindling in his shadow.

Doidge and Nisbet are at a similar level to me - both have their strengths and weaknesses. Neither are brilliant strikers of the ball but can score goals fairly routinely and, now and then, some are well struck.

I think both could go this summer.

[Magpie]

PSG signing Donnarumma, Hakimi, Wijnaldum and potentially Ramos. They won’t stop until they get that CL.

[SteveHFC]

PSG signing Donnarumma, Hakimi, Wijnaldum and potentially Ramos. They won’t stop until they get that CL.

Will be funny when they lose in the knockout round. :agree:

[zitelli62]

Doidge wants to be here nisbet doesn't let him go I'm sure we will replace him have done it before will do it again.

[hibbysam]

A bit overplayed that I think.

Nothing very special about Nisbet’s all round play or finishing.

Doidge scored more in less games in his first season with us. Overall there isn’t much in it scoring rate wise if you average out Doidge’s 2 seasons.

Add to that Doidge contributes hugely to the team in his general play. Not sure Nisbet does.

If I had to choose one of them to keep it would be Doidge every time.

Of course you’d keep Doidge as Nisbet is going to fetch millions more than him. Nisbet contributes to the team as a whole, he drops deep, his touch brings others into the team, he’s far more of a ‘footballer’ than Doidge is (who I also really like).

[Col2]

Does feel like we will need to freshen the striking department up again.

Assuming Nisbet is sold, any thoughts on replacements (other than the now unlikely Griffiths)? I really hope we bring in two strikers if we lose one as we defaulted to Boyle on occasion and I would like to see a pacey striker.

[J-C]

If Doidge has such a good scoring rate, why is no one knocking on the door trying to sign him and why didn't he get into the Wales squad?
Yes he works hard for the team but he has a poor 1st touch, his attempt at goals can be all over the place and at times he has a head like a 50p, add to that he has very little pace, Doidge is probably playing at the exact level for his abilities, unfortunately he cannot play up top on his own which means we have to go with a 2 man attack which then hinders our shape and tactics, 442/352 when the majority of teams are playing 433 or similar.

[Aldo]

If Doidge has such a good scoring rate, why is no one knocking on the door trying to sign him and why didn't he get into the Wales squad?
Yes he works hard for the team but he has a poor 1st touch, his attempt at goals can be all over the place and at times he has a head like a 50p, add to that he has very little pace, Doidge is probably playing at the exact level for his abilities, unfortunately he cannot play up top on his own which means we have to go with a 2 man attack which then hinders our shape and tactics, 442/352 when the majority of teams are playing 433 or similar.

JC I think you are doing Doidge a bit of a disservice here and whilst I appreciate what you’re saying he was an integral part of us finishing 3rd and getting to the SCF.

You are focussing in most of his negatives but what about what he brings to the team. His finish against Aberdeen at Pittodrie, his finish against Utd in the SF and his ability to work his socks off and leave everything on the pitch.

He scored 13 goals last season and 19 the season before.

Tell me one striker that doesn’t miss or scaff shots or headers.

As for playing up too on his own…. Unless he gets the support and players that play in behind him that can do the work or get ahead of him it’s a losing battle! O and he didn’t get into the Wakes squad because better players were ahead of him!


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[Jim44]

If Doidge has such a good scoring rate, why is no one knocking on the door trying to sign him and why didn't he get into the Wales squad?
Yes he works hard for the team but he has a poor 1st touch, his attempt at goals can be all over the place and at times he has a head like a 50p, add to that he has very little pace, Doidge is probably playing at the exact level for his abilities, unfortunately he cannot play up top on his own which means we have to go with a 2 man attack which then hinders our shape and tactics, 442/352 when the majority of teams are playing 433 or similar.

Nothing like damning with faint praise. :greengrin To say he is exactly where he should be, kind of suggests that, by definition, Hibs are pretty mediocre and meh. Despite our major flop in the Cup, we were good enough to secure the best of the rest, comprehensively beating the next best late in the season. I think Doidge’s work rate, enthusiasm and affection for Hibs are attributes which cancel out his weaknesses.

[Heisenberg]

WIGAN IN KERR BID

By Colin Duncan

Wigan have joined the chase for St Johnstone skipper Jason Kerr.

The League One outfit want the defender to spearhead their promotion push back to the Championship.

Oxford United are also monitoring the situation, while Hibs remain interested in Saints’ double-winning captain.

Wigan have money to spend following the recent takeover from a Bahrain-based consortium.

The new owners have promised to spend big to get back to the Premier League after eight years, but they face stiff competition with Hibs and Oxford keen to land Kerr, 24, on the back of a terrific season in Perth.

[J-C]

JC I think you are doing Doidge a bit of a disservice here and whilst I appreciate what you’re saying he was an integral part of us finishing 3rd and getting to the SCF.

You are focussing in most of his negatives but what about what he brings to the team. His finish against Aberdeen at Pittodrie, his finish against Utd in the SF and his ability to work his socks off and leave everything on the pitch.

He scored 13 goals last season and 19 the season before.

Tell me one striker that doesn’t miss or scaff shots or headers.

As for playing up too on his own…. Unless he gets the support and players that play in behind him that can do the work or get ahead of him it’s a losing battle! O and he didn’t get into the Wakes squad because better players were ahead of him!


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I did acknowledge his work rate, I said so in the 2nd sentence.

I don't think he's a clever enough striker to play on his own, even his manager at Forest Green said as much, I can't remember him ever playing up front on his own, he's had partners in Kamberi, McNulty, Shaw, Gullan and Nisbet.

Yes he scores some decent goals but as you say a lot of sclaffs but as I said I feel he's playing at the level of his abilities, he has a strike rate of around 1 in 3 which is decent.

After seeing the welsh strikers at the Euros he couldn't have been any worse than Moore and Roberts who scored 1 in 20 at Leeds.

[J-C]

Nothing like damning with faint praise. :greengrin To say he is exactly where he should be, kind of suggests that, by definition, Hibs are pretty mediocre and meh. Despite our major flop in the Cup, we were good enough to secure the best of the rest, comprehensively beating the next best late in the season. I think Doidge’s work rate, enthusiasm and affection for Hibs are attributes which cancel out his weaknesses.


That's basically what I'm saying, what he lacks in talent he makes up for in work and enthusiasm and the reason he'll probably not go onto playing at a higher level. If there's not much between him and Nisbet scoring wise why is there talk of Nisbet moving on for £2+ million and no one is bidding for Doidge.

[Peevemor]

Don't forget that bids can be encouraged and/or leaked by agents.

Just because there isn't speculation in the media about Doidge, doesn't mean that there's no interest.

[Aldo]

I did acknowledge his work rate, I said so in the 2nd sentence.

I don't think he's a clever enough striker to play on his own, even his manager at Forest Green said as much, I can't remember him ever playing up front on his own, he's had partners in Kamberi, McNulty, Shaw, Gullan and Nisbet.

Yes he scores some decent goals but as you say a lot of sclaffs but as I said I feel he's playing at the level of his abilities, he has a strike rate of around 1 in 3 which is decent.

After seeing the welsh strikers at the Euros he couldn't have been any worse than Moore and Roberts who scored 1 in 20 at Leeds.

Again you’re slating him for not being clever enough. Yes he went through a barren patch, yes he’s missed sitters but he was part of a team and a front line that scored 40 plus goals. What more do you actually want?

If his found his level then so be it. I’m more than delighted he’s at us and his contribution over the season. I’d be looking to get him tied to a contract extension as he’s an integral part of everything good (and bad I suppose) we do.


That's basically what I'm saying, what he lacks in talent he makes up for in work and enthusiasm and the reason he'll probably not go onto playing at a higher level. If there's not much between him and Nisbet scoring wise why is there talk of Nisbet moving on for £2+ million and no one is bidding for Doidge.

Nisbet and Doidge are totally different type players and I would say that Nisbet’s work rate is maybe not as good as Doidge’s and at times his overall play in respect of the team.

Goals aside then JC, who brings more to the team??


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[04Sauzee]

I know it's the Sun

St Johnstone's double-winning skipper Jason Kerr attracting interest from down south - with Hibs also keen

https://t.co/XXhoYCnubr https://t.co/mMFUcbOHUb

[JimBHibees]

That’s just a meaningless comment.

Nisbet’s scoring rate is a tiny fraction ahead of Doidge’s. It remains to be seen if he’d keep that going. Doidge has 2 seasons to average out and his first season he scored at a better rate than Nisbet did this year.

Doidge probably got goal of the season too.

So in what ways does Nisbet’s ‘miles better’ finishing play out?

A more natural finisher imo more likely to score better movement in the box. Recognised by his country because of it. You have your opinion too of course which of course you are entitled too however seems to be very negative towards Nisbet for some reason and more generous to Doidge.

[J-C]

Again you’re slating him for not being clever enough. Yes he went through a barren patch, yes he’s missed sitters but he was part of a team and a front line that scored 40 plus goals. What more do you actually want?

If his found his level then so be it. I’m more than delighted he’s at us and his contribution over the season. I’d be looking to get him tied to a contract extension as he’s an integral part of everything good (and bad I suppose) we do.



Nisbet and Doidge are totally different type players and I would say that Nisbet’s work rate is maybe not as good as Doidge’s and at times his overall play in respect of the team.

Goals aside then JC, who brings more to the team??


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Doidge has scored a fair few goals for us but you have to admit that he can a bloody frustrating player at times, missing goals from 4 yards out or headers missing the target by a good distance, he definitely seems to be a confidence type player going through barren spells and then scoring in almost every other game.

It depends how you want your team to play decides who brings more to the team, I don't think Doidge can play on his own but I do think Nisbet can as he's got more game intelligence, all my opinion of course.

[Smartie]

The thing I like most about Doidge is that he never lets his head go down.

Even when he’s having a bit of a stinker in front of goal (which he does from time to time) he’s still there, noising up defenders and making a contribution. You also still fancy him to put the next one away, no matter how badly he’s playing and how many he’s already missed as he puts himself out there to be shot at, time after time.

By contrast, it can all go a bit quiet for Nisbet when he’s not scoring - although if I were to choose one to put a chance away, it would be Nisbet every time.

Funnily enough I don’t think they’re a great pair. Neither are up to much on their own and they both look better in a pair but I don’t see much of an understanding, rather they’re just a couple of good players who play in the same team.

[brog]

Not sure you’re stats are right as we only played 30 games in Doidge’s first season but I agree with your point. Nisbet is a far better player and I’m not even his biggest fan. There is a reason he go for a seven figure fee. Doidge scored half his goals against lower league teams last year, league return was very poor.

Apologies, my stats were for both players last season. If anything though it emphasises the point more. CD scored 7 league goals last season. Nisbet in his 1st season at this level scored 14 in less games.

[Peevemor]

Apologies, my stats were for both players last season. If anything though it emphasises the point more. CD scored 7 league goals last season. Nisbet in his 1st season at this level scored 14 in less games.I don't think simply comparing goal stats reflects their individual worth to the team. They're not the same type of player and they're not asked to play similar roles.

[GreenCastle]

In the Scottish leagues / cups you need a player like Doidge. I'm not saying you base the whole team around him but as others have said you need a striker to get in the faces of the opposition - especially some of these lower league cup games where he scored a few goals.

Doidge is a good fit for Hibs. When Holt stopped playing for Hibs it took us a while to replace that. Now Holt was towards his end of the career but he was still effective.

Nisbet and Doidge are different players but every time needs variety and balance.

What I know is that if we lose Doidge or Nisbet they will be both hard to replace but chances are this time next summer both will be away so I expect us to be aware of this. The balance of the team looked ok at times last season but I still feel it came up short at key moments - the midfield especially - we need several players in to add quality and improve the lack of depth / injuries we had. We need more striker options up top - Boyle / Nisbet and Doidge weren't enough last season.

Hopefully start to see some movement soon - but I'm expecting most movement will happen after Euros as the really big clubs sort themselves out and the other players move about / trickle down the pyramid with loans and other moves.

[Andy74]

Apologies, my stats were for both players last season. If anything though it emphasises the point more. CD scored 7 league goals last season. Nisbet in his 1st season at this level scored 14 in less games.

Doidge’s first season was 12 from 28 league games. Not really much in it.

[Aldo]

Doidge has scored a fair few goals for us but you have to admit that he can a bloody frustrating player at times, missing goals from 4 yards out or headers missing the target by a good distance, he definitely seems to be a confidence type player going through barren spells and then scoring in almost every other game.

It depends how you want your team to play decides who brings more to the team, I don't think Doidge can play on his own but I do think Nisbet can as he's got more game intelligence, all my opinion of course.

All players can be frustrating and that includes Nisbet. He’s missed a good few and has played as poorly in games as the next player. He also has lacked composure in front of goals.

I don’t think Nisbet can okay the Doidge roll the way Doidge plays the same way Doidge cannot play the Nisbet roll but I will say you need a balance and both playing brings that.

It’s an interesting debate but I really do think Doidge is very underrated by some and gets criticism when others do less and get away with it.

Opinions eh!


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[J-C]

All players can be frustrating and that includes Nisbet. He’s missed a good few and has played as poorly in games as the next player. He also has lacked composure in front of goals.

I don’t think Nisbet can okay the Doidge roll the way Doidge plays the same way Doidge cannot play the Nisbet roll but I will say you need a balance and both playing brings that.

It’s an interesting debate but I really do think Doidge is very underrated by some and gets criticism when others do less and get away with it.

Opinions eh!


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I agree re Nisbet, all about getting the balance.

[Mr. Wonderful]

If Doidge has such a good scoring rate, why is no one knocking on the door trying to sign him and why didn't he get into the Wales squad?
Yes he works hard for the team but he has a poor 1st touch, his attempt at goals can be all over the place and at times he has a head like a 50p, add to that he has very little pace, Doidge is probably playing at the exact level for his abilities, unfortunately he cannot play up top on his own which means we have to go with a 2 man attack which then hinders our shape and tactics, 442/352 when the majority of teams are playing 433 or similar.

There's interest from America

[Souter96Mac]

Apologies if I've missed this chat. Is there any chat about how much Porteous would be getting sold for?

[calumhibee1]

Apologies, my stats were for both players last season. If anything though it emphasises the point more. CD scored 7 league goals last season. Nisbet in his 1st season at this level scored 14 in less games.

Doidge in his first season at this level scored 12 in 28 league games compared to Nisbets 14 in 33. Ever so slightly in Doidges favour.

Their goal scoring stats at this level aren’t all that much different really. For Hibs in all competitions it’s a goal every 2.5 games for Nisbet and every 2.68 for Doidge. I’d feel just as confident if a chance fell to Doidge as I would Nisbet.

[calumhibee1]

Apologies if I've missed this chat. Is there any chat about how much Porteous would be getting sold for?

A Twitter page suggested £750k but I doubt it’ll be anywhere near as low as that.

[CMurdoch]

Apologies if I've missed this chat. Is there any chat about how much Porteous would be getting sold for?

There is no credible source re this potential transfer so probably just slavers on twitter.

[brog]

Doidge in his first season at this level scored 12 in 28 league games compared to Nisbets 14 in 33. Ever so slightly in Doidges favour.

Their goal scoring stats at this level aren’t all that much different really. For Hibs in all competitions it’s a goal every 2.5 games for Nisbet and every 2.68 for Doidge. I’d feel just as confident if a chance fell to Doidge as I would Nisbet.

You must have erased the 19/20 Aberdeen game from your memory! If you only compare league games, which IMO is a more valid statistic, then Nisbet is much better in scoring terms.

[brog]

I don't think simply comparing goal stats reflects their individual worth to the team. They're not the same type of player and they're not asked to play similar roles.

I agree, I was responding to posts which suggested they were pretty much on a par in the art of scoring. They're clearly not.

[MWHIBBIES]

If Doidge has such a good scoring rate, why is no one knocking on the door trying to sign him and why didn't he get into the Wales squad?
Yes he works hard for the team but he has a poor 1st touch, his attempt at goals can be all over the place and at times he has a head like a 50p, add to that he has very little pace, Doidge is probably playing at the exact level for his abilities, unfortunately he cannot play up top on his own which means we have to go with a 2 man attack which then hinders our shape and tactics, 442/352 when the majority of teams are playing 433 or similar.

Nonsense from start to finish.


He has played up top on his own to good success with Hibs. His scoring rate is good, for a player of his type it's above average. Pace is fine for a player of his type.

Do we only judge players good if someone tries to sign them for big money? Awful logic.

[MWHIBBIES]

You must have erased the 19/20 Aberdeen game from your memory! If you only compare league games, which IMO is a more valid statistic, then Nisbet is much better in scoring terms.

What about the 2 Aberdeen games he's scored in since? How many did Nisbet get against the dons?

[Andy74]

You must have erased the 19/20 Aberdeen game from your memory! If you only compare league games, which IMO is a more valid statistic, then Nisbet is much better in scoring terms.

This season. Remains to be seen how a season 2 would go. Doidge’s first league season was better scoring wise than Nisbet’s first season.

[brog]

What about the 2 Aberdeen games he's scored in since? How many did Nisbet get against the dons?

I wasn't comparing their records against different teams, but Doidge missing 3 clear one on ones at Aberdeen I'm afraid lingers in my memory. Against that he scored an excellent one on one next time at same venue & of course a fine goal there this season. As i know you enjoy a debate however if you want to discuss goals against top teams I'll raise you Nisbet's goals at both the OF away & Celtc at home against Doidge vs The Rangers at home.😀

[MWHIBBIES]

I wasn't comparing their records against different teams, but Doidge missing 3 clear one on ones at Aberdeen I'm afraid lingers in my memory. Against that he scored an excellent one on one next time at same venue & of course a fine goal there this season. As i know you enjoy a debate however if you want to discuss goals against top teams I'll raise you Nisbet's goals at both the OF away & Celtc at home against Doidge vs The Rangers at home.😀

Okay. So he's scored twice there since but you still focus on missed chances?

[brog]

This season. Remains to be seen how a season 2 would go. Doidge’s first league season was better scoring wise than Nisbet’s first season.

Except it wasn't. They're very close but CD scored 12/25 starts =48% while KN scored 14/28 =50%. Both are excellent but CDs record this year, 7/29 =24% is a major regression unfortunately.

[brog]

Okay. So he's scored twice there since but you still focus on missed chances?

I'm trying to say it wasnt about the opposition. It's just I can't honestly remember another game where a Hibs player was clean through on goal on 3 separate occasions but failed to score. Once again I like Christian but even his best friend, who I know through horseracing, knows he's not a natural goalscorer.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'm trying to say it wasnt about the opposition. It's just I can't honestly remember another game where a Hibs player was clean through on goal on 3 separate occasions but failed to score. Once again I like Christian but even his best friend, who I know through horseracing, knows he's not a natural goalscorer.

Do unnatural goal scorers score 140 career goals?

You keep remembering his bad games, I'll enjoy the many more good ones

[Hibbyradge]

Doidge and Nisbet are at a similar level to me

Who do you play for and don't you fancy signing for Hibs?

[brog]

Do unnatural goal scorers score 140 career goals?

You keep remembering his bad games, I'll enjoy the many more good ones

Please stop misquoting me. I'm not remembering his bad games, I mentioned 1 specific game and i also mentioned his 2 excellent goals against the same opposition.

[Key West]

I'd like to see us signing somebody that could play off Doidge if Nisbet moves on and also an experienced centre back to help Porteous progress.

[SMAXXA]

Folk are off their heeds to want to lose Porteous for Kerr. The latter is at the level of their career where at the same stage Porteous will be at a much higher level. Hibs fans are mental

[Hibbyradge]

Hibs fans are mental

That's a given, Smaxxa.

It's just that some have stopped taking the medication!

[B.H.F.C]

Folk are off their heeds to want to lose Porteous for Kerr. The latter is at the level of their career where at the same stage Porteous will be at a much higher level. Hibs fans are mental

Thankfully we have wisdom like this to keep us all in check at least.

I’m not really saying we should sell Porteous and sign Kerr. But there’s two years between them. Where is Porteous going to be in two years that will put him miles ahead of where Kerr is now?

[Since452]

I honestly don't get the hype about Kerr. Is it because he's a Hibs fan? I don't hear fans of any other club being desperate to sign him. I've never once watched him and thought wow, we should sign him.

[04Sauzee]

I honestly don't get the hype about Kerr. Is it because he's a Hibs fan? I don't hear fans of any other club being desperate to sign him. I've never once watched him and thought wow, we should sign him.

I like Kerr but I like the 3 they have at the back, Kerr , Gordon and McCart . They look good as a back 3

[J-C]

Folk are off their heeds to want to lose Porteous for Kerr. The latter is at the level of their career where at the same stage Porteous will be at a much higher level. Hibs fans are mental


No ones wanting to lose Porteous for Kerr, the discussion is if Porteous is sold who could we get as a replacement.

[1875Sean]

Folk are off their heeds to want to lose Porteous for Kerr. The latter is at the level of their career where at the same stage Porteous will be at a much higher level. Hibs fans are mental

What makes you think Porto will be at a higher level? Not all footballers improve with age, look at Alex Harris

[Mr. Wonderful]

What makes you think Porto will be at a higher level? Not all footballers improve with age, look at Alex Harris

They improve with top level experience. Kerr has and had considerably more at RP's age

[1875Sean]

They improve with top level experience. Kerr has and had considerably more at RP's age

For me Porto hasn’t improved in the last 12-18 months with top level experience, also not much of an age gap, under 2 years between them so it’s like lien Kerr is much older

[Highwayman]

Report seen that Wigan Athletic and Oxford United (both English League One) are tracking Jason Kerr.

Can Hibs compete with them.

[Orchard_Hibs]

What makes you think Porto will be at a higher level? Not all footballers improve with age, look at Alex Harris

Porto is already playing at a higher level.

[Mr. Wonderful]

For me Porto hasn’t improved in the last 12-18 months with top level experience, also not much of an age gap, under 2 years between them so it’s like lien Kerr is much older

He undoubtedly has. He makes some errors for sure but he's only now reached the level of first team experience he should've had by 20 if he'd remained fit and healthy. Its easy to forget he lost 2 seasons of development and was a huge cog in a very successful defensive unit last season.

[Stuart93]

Report seen that Wigan Athletic and Oxford United (both English League One) are tracking Jason Kerr.

Can Hibs compete with them.

I’d like to think we could compete with Oxford Utd but unsure about Wigan, I’m sure they just got taken over

[Hibiza]

Nisbet walked on to the Hampden pitch arguing with a team mate in the final . Just don't rate him. Soon away the better.

[Bridge hibs]

Nisbet walked on to the Hampden pitch arguing with a team mate in the final . Just don't rate him. Soon away the better.Missed that happening, who was he arguing with ?

[Smartie]

I honestly don't get the hype about Kerr. Is it because he's a Hibs fan? I don't hear fans of any other club being desperate to sign him. I've never once watched him and thought wow, we should sign him.

We’ve seen him hold 2 trophies above his head in recent months, trophy wins that have been based on a mean defence that he’s at the heart of. I’ve spent quite a lot of time watching my own team run out of ideas how to break that defence down in recent months.

Porteous has stalled at Hibs and his performances in recent months were much poorer than his previous years. This coincided (!?!?!) with interest from down South and getting into the fringes of the national squad.

It’s a quaint idea that he’d want to stay and improve but I just don’t think he’s going to be interested. He’s got ideas above our station and we need to let him go.

When that stage is reached a conversation starts re realistic replacements. Kerr may or may not be one.

I suspect that Hibs made a “wait until the end of the season” agreement with Nisbet and Porteous, and we got inconsistent and indifferent performances from them both through the second half of the season. Nisbet’s obviously been busy attracting suitors at the Euros and I reckon Porteous will have had his agent working hard on getting him his move as soon as the season was finished (hence the strong rumours re moves to Turkey).

FWIW I think this will all suit all parties and especially Hibs. We’ve got ample time, and probably get reasonable/ good cash with which to replace a couple of guys who don’t want to be with us next season.

Porteous has great potential but needs to get it right between his ears if he’s ever to realise it.

[Just Alf]

We’ve seen him hold 2 trophies above his head in recent months, trophy wins that have been based on a mean defence that he’s at the heart of. I’ve spent quite a lot of time watching my own team run out of ideas how to break that defence down in recent months.

Porteous has stalled at Hibs and his performances in recent months were much poorer than his previous years. This coincided (!?!?!) with interest from down South and getting into the fringes of the national squad.

It’s a quaint idea that he’d want to stay and improve but I just don’t think he’s going to be interested. He’s got ideas above our station and we need to let him go.

When that stage is reached a conversation starts re realistic replacements. Kerr may or may not be one.Couldn't have put it better myself :agree:

[hibbie02]

Missed that happening, who was he arguing with ?

Didn’t see him arguing with anyone (not saying it didn’t happen) but he was looking well stroppy as he came onto the pitch. Looked like he didn’t want to be there. Pretty crap attitude in a cup final.


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[Peevemor]

Didn’t see him arguing with anyone (not saying it didn’t happen) but he was looking well stroppy as he came onto the pitch. Looked like he didn’t want to be there. Pretty crap attitude in a cup final.


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He was definitely stroppy with his team mates a couple of times during the 2nd half - I commented on it at the time. I'm not looking to bash Nisbet though and maybe he had every right to be annoyed with them, it's just that it's been a while since I've seen Hibs players speaking to each other like that during a match.

[04Sauzee]

Celtic look set to complete the signing of Mario Vuskovic in a £5million deal from Hajduk Split

https://t.co/rLtQYfsfAV https://t.co/6HlvdC6yjF

[ahibby]

He was definitely stroppy with his team mates a couple of times during the 2nd half - I commented on it at the time. I'm not looking to bash Nisbet though and maybe he had every right to be annoyed with them, it's just that it's been a while since I've seen Hibs players speaking to each other like that during a match.

He seems to have the idea that everyone except himself should move to the ball rather than wait for it to arrive. I think that will be symptomatic of the reason he wont go very far, but we will see.

[JimBHibees]

He was definitely stroppy with his team mates a couple of times during the 2nd half - I commented on it at the time. I'm not looking to bash Nisbet though and maybe he had every right to be annoyed with them, it's just that it's been a while since I've seen Hibs players speaking to each other like that during a match.

If he or anyone else wasn't frustrated and stroppy in that situation then something definitely wrong.

[ekhibee]

We’ve seen him hold 2 trophies above his head in recent months, trophy wins that have been based on a mean defence that he’s at the heart of. I’ve spent quite a lot of time watching my own team run out of ideas how to break that defence down in recent months.

Porteous has stalled at Hibs and his performances in recent months were much poorer than his previous years. This coincided (!?!?!) with interest from down South and getting into the fringes of the national squad.

It’s a quaint idea that he’d want to stay and improve but I just don’t think he’s going to be interested. He’s got ideas above our station and we need to let him go.

When that stage is reached a conversation starts re realistic replacements. Kerr may or may not be one.

I suspect that Hibs made a “wait until the end of the season” agreement with Nisbet and Porteous, and we got inconsistent and indifferent performances from them both through the second half of the season. Nisbet’s obviously been busy attracting suitors at the Euros and I reckon Porteous will have had his agent working hard on getting him his move as soon as the season was finished (hence the strong rumours re moves to Turkey).

FWIW I think this will all suit all parties and especially Hibs. We’ve got ample time, and probably get reasonable/ good cash with which to replace a couple of guys who don’t want to be with us next season.

Porteous has great potential but needs to get it right between his ears if he’s ever to realise it.

Well said.

[Heisenberg]

£2.5m (total deal worth £4m with add ons) rejected for Doig according to the Sun. Watford expected to bid again.

[Stuart93]

£2.5m (total deal worth £4m with add ons) rejected for Doig according to the Sun. Watford expected to bid again.

I reckon £3m/£3.5m upfront with a sell on and add ons would probably see us accept

[JohnM1875]

I reckon £3m/£3.5m upfront with a sell on and add ons would probably see us accept

Same. Can't see us holding out for too much more. Great deal for a guy who's only played one full season of top flight football. He does like like a fantastic prospect though.

[jacomo]

Same. Can't see us holding out for too much more. Great deal for a guy who's only played one full season of top flight football. He does like like a fantastic prospect though.


Thought we’d finally found someone to take Lewis’ place in this team… looks like we might be searching again.

[hibee-boys]

Looks like every chance we’ll see Doig, Porteous and Nisbet move on with circa £6/7 million coming our way. There’s going to have to be some great work by the club to replenish the team with similar quality🤔

[wookie70]

£2.5m (total deal worth £4m with add ons) rejected for Doig according to the Sun. Watford expected to bid again.

Great money for such an inexperienced player who has not really played in front of big crowds yet. Now the fees look good I hope we concentrate on the sell on clause. Doig could be the next Andy Robertson and it would be great to cash in a few times as he heads up the ladder

[hibee-boys]

£2.5m (total deal worth £4m with add ons) rejected for Doig according to the Sun. Watford expected to bid again.

From what I’ve read there were a number of clubs looking at him, Watford’s bid may well be the first of many.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Looks like every chance we’ll see Doig, Porteous and Nisbet move on with circa £6/7 million coming our way. There’s going to have to be some great work by the club to replenish the team with similar quality🤔

According to some on here and social media, they all should be easy enough to replace

[Stuart93]

According to some on here and social media, they all should be easy enough to replace

Has anyone said easy to replace or are you potentially getting mixed up with “replaceable” because I reckon all 3 are with some good investment.

Not easily but I reckon we’d manage it. We’d definitely need to invest some of the money we bring in though which we would.

[Jim44]

According to some on here and social media, they all should be easy enough to replace

I’ll believe it when I see it. If we lose a substantial part of the backbone of the team, I think we will struggle to replace them immediately. That being the case, I think expectations and aspirations for next season will have to be restrained.

[Stuart93]

I’ll believe it when I see it. If we lose a substantial part of the backbone of the team, I think we will struggle to replace them immediately. That being the case, I think expectations and aspirations for next season will have to be restrained.

Really? Why’s that? Part of the money we bring in should be invested wisely into the team to ensure we’re right in amongst it next season

Supporters shouldn’t have to expect less from the club in terms of league position and achievement because of selling players. If that was the case then what would be the point in them investing in season tickets etc?

FWIW I don’t think it would take a massive amount of investment at this time to compete for 3rd place. Having any kind of money to spend just now puts you out in front of most teams

[JohnM1875]

Thought we’d finally found someone to take Lewis’ place in this team… looks like we might be searching again.

Likewise! I was pretty critical of Doig at the start of the season. Probably unfairly so for a laddie of his age and experience. But he was outstanding for most of the season and I was really looking forward to actually seeing him this season.

Mackie and Lewis to fight it out and hopefully we'll invest to bring another in, ideally as a starter.

[Jim44]

Really? Why’s that? Part of the money we bring in should be invested wisely into the team to ensure we’re right in amongst it next season

Supporters shouldn’t have to expect less from the club in terms of league position and achievement because of selling players. If that was the case then what would be the point in them investing in season tickets etc?

FWIW I don’t think it would take a massive amount of investment at this time to compete for 3rd place. Having any kind of money to spend just now puts you out in front of most teams

Yes really. I don’t think that we will get the quality of players to fill these important players places and have them up and running for the start of the season. I’m not saying that we will struggle but we might have to be prepared for a cautious start to the season. That’s my opinion but I hope your’s is the right one.

[scotiaf]

Will be really hard to replace Doig, finding an attacking left back with pace.

[Since452]

Thought we’d finally found someone to take Lewis’ place in this team… looks like we might be searching again.

Doig is the one I'd be most dissspointed to lose. Just hope it's a very good deal for the club if he does go.

[Smartie]

I think Doig would be the hardest one to replace.

He’s also the one that I think has most to gain by staying and getting a bit more football under his belt.

And I think he’s the one most likely to be grounded enough to see it that way too.

[Jim44]

When does pre-season training start? Are out of contract players like Irvine now officially off our books?

[Hibs90]

When does pre-season training start? Are out of contract players like Irvine now officially off our books?

Think some teams are back already, believe Hibs are back today or were yesterday.

[Billy Whizz]

When does pre-season training start? Are out of contract players like Irvine now officially off our books?

They are back in today. Irvine like Nisbet, will have some extra time off, as he was on international duty with Australia

[Jim44]

They are back in today. Irvine like Nisbet, will have some extra time off, as he was on international duty with Australia

I was wondering about Irvine, tho’. Is his contract officially finished or does it last till the end of June?

[Peevemor]

I was wondering about Irvine, tho’. Is his contract officially finished or does it last till the end of June?

I don't think there would be any reason for it to go past the end of the season.

[Brightside]

Jackson’s contract was until end of May. Unless of course he’s already signed an extension.

[jacomo]

Yes really. I don’t think that we will get the quality of players to fill these important players places and have them up and running for the start of the season. I’m not saying that we will struggle but we might have to be prepared for a cautious start to the season. That’s my opinion but I hope your’s is the right one.


You are right.

It’s difficult to replace good players at Hibs. We’ve seen it time and time again.

Obviously getting decent transfer fees helps but it’s no guarantee. We need to accept that players will leave us for a richer club but some fans seem eager to wish them away.

[Jim44]

You are right.

It’s difficult to replace good players at Hibs. We’ve seen it time and time again.

Obviously getting decent transfer fees helps but it’s no guarantee. We need to accept that players will leave us for a richer club but some fans seem eager to wish them away.

I just think things are strangely quiet, even allowing for the ongoing Euros claiming most media attention.

[JimBHibees]

They are back in today. Irvine like Nisbet, will have some extra time off, as he was on international duty with Australia

Boyle as well. Will be interesting when they are due back given the European game in July.

[Billy Whizz]

Jackson’s contract was until end of May. Unless of course he’s already signed an extension.

I wonder if Ange is sniffing about Jackson, as a squad player?

[Souter96Mac]

Looks like every chance we’ll see Doig, Porteous and Nisbet move on with circa £6/7 million coming our way. There’s going to have to be some great work by the club to replenish the team with similar quality🤔

Like others have said, Doig would be the hardest to replace, unless we can get him loaned back for the season.

However, if the club can bring in £6/7m for 3 players that we paid a total of circa £250k for, then that's some major business.

Definitely a challenge to find replacements, but we've had a good recent knack of finding young talent which can produce results whilst developing to become sellable assets.

[JimBHibees]

According to some on here and social media, they all should be easy enough to replace

No way will it be easy however the club will have had notice on the likelihood of players leaving so have had time to plan replacements. Just hope players if they are to go leave quickly so we can get players in so we can hit the ground running especially with Europe in mind.

[.Sean.]

Has anyone said easy to replace or are you potentially getting mixed up with “replaceable” because I reckon all 3 are with some good investment.

Not easily but I reckon we’d manage it. We’d definitely need to invest some of the money we bring in though which we would.
The three of them are certainly not irreplaceable at this level anyway. If some of that cash is reinvested wisely we’re laughing. I’m certain replacements will already have been lined up and talked about anyway as they’ll all be leaving sooner rather than later.

[lucky]

Surely Nesbit will be the hardest to replace. Stevenson can easily cover for Doig, McGregor or Kerr for Porto but international goal scoring CF don’t come cheap or easily available in Hibs market. Having money to spend is one thing, spending it wisely is another. Look at our chums across the city, how many players do they sign every window? They very rarely sign anyone of quality.

[flash]

Surely Nesbit will be the hardest to replace. Stevenson can easily cover for Doig, McGregor or Kerr for Porto but international goal scoring CF don’t come cheap or easily available in Hibs market. Having money to spend is one thing, spending it wisely is another. Look at our chums across the city, how many players do they sign every window? They very rarely sign anyone of quality.

Not sure Stevenson and McGregor will be replacing anybody anytime soon. Or ever again for that matter.

[JimBHibees]

Surely Nesbit will be the hardest to replace. Stevenson can easily cover for Doig, McGregor or Kerr for Porto but international goal scoring CF don’t come cheap or easily available in Hibs market. Having money to spend is one thing, spending it wisely is another. Look at our chums across the city, how many players do they sign every window? They very rarely sign anyone of quality.

Very good point wouldn't be selling him unless we get decent value and a very good replacement though as you say that needs careful selection.

[500miles]

Will be really hard to replace Doig, finding an attacking left back with pace.

Scott McMann possibly.

I'll be honest, I think if Josh went to the Premiership he'd be first team regular by the end of the season. He has McGinn level potential.

[J-C]

Hopefully mackie is fit and raring to if Doig goes, Stevenson has been working with both of them.

[Stuart93]

Surely Nesbit will be the hardest to replace. Stevenson can easily cover for Doig, McGregor or Kerr for Porto but international goal scoring CF don’t come cheap or easily available in Hibs market. Having money to spend is one thing, spending it wisely is another. Look at our chums across the city, how many players do they sign every window? They very rarely sign anyone of quality.

Surely going back to bringing in Mcgregor and Stevenson would be going backwards? We’d need to invest some money to replace them properly

I understand your point though. Strikers are usually the hardest to replace. Unless you lose John McGinn

[Jones28]

Hopefully mackie is fit and raring to if Doig goes, Stevenson has been working with both of them.

I'd like to see Mackie get a run at it too.

[easty]

Mackie has never showed anything that suggests to me he’s ready to be our regular left back.

Unless he’s showing something different in the pre-season I’d not be surprised to see him go out on loan again.

[Jones28]

Mackie has never showed anything that suggests to me he’s ready to be our regular left back.

Unless he’s showing something different in the pre-season I’d not be surprised to see him go out on loan again.

How are we to know if he doesn't get a chance?

[BILLYHIBS]

Mackie deserves a chance

[wookie70]

Scott McMann possibly.

I'll be honest, I think if Josh went to the Premiership he'd be first team regular by the end of the season. He has McGinn level potential.

Great potential but he has played one season in empty stadiums in the top Scottish League. McGinn had far more experience and success before moving down to Villa. I'm sure Josh will have a great career whether he leaves or not but he has lots to learn imo and showed last season he is still improving.

[Smartie]

Mackie's shown a bit of promise and he's also shown a bit of naivety when he's played - exactly what you'd expect from a young player.

I think he deserves a chance to try to make the spot his own and his injuries have been very unfortunate.

I have to say that I wasn't totally blown away by Doig initially either but after he found his feet he improved very quickly and soon became a very important player for us.

[Lago]

I just think things are strangely quiet, even allowing for the ongoing Euros claiming most media attention.
Like you I think we could end up in a mid table situation if the transfer & recruitment is not handled quickly.

[hibee-boys]

Surely Nesbit will be the hardest to replace. Stevenson can easily cover for Doig, McGregor or Kerr for Porto but international goal scoring CF don’t come cheap or easily available in Hibs market. Having money to spend is one thing, spending it wisely is another. Look at our chums across the city, how many players do they sign every window? They very rarely sign anyone of quality.

Much as I appreciate all that Lewis has contributed to our club if Josh does go we’ll need a replacement.

[easty]

Like you I think we could end up in a mid table situation if the transfer & recruitment is not handled quickly.

Why?

We were the third best team in the country last season, we've not got worse, and the other teams haven't improved their squads drastically either.

[easty]

Much as I appreciate all that Lewis has contributed to our club if Josh does go we’ll need a replacement.

If Doig goes we'll 100% sign a new left back.

[Andy74]

Why?

We were the third best team in the country last season, we've not got worse, and the other teams haven't improved their squads drastically either.

Same panic at this time every year.

[Blaster]

Much as I appreciate all that Lewis has contributed to our club if Josh does go we’ll need a replacement.

Agree. Has Barry Douglas signed for anyone yet? He’d be a good signing

[The Count]

We need to aspire to keep going to a higher level and show ambition.To do this we need better players so transfer money has to be used to achieve this goal.Quality is whats required the days of journeymen is in the past.

[Wakeyhibee]

Like you I think we could end up in a mid table situation if the transfer & recruitment is not handled quickly.

If we lose all 3 it is where we could end up. Rarely do Hibs replace like for even promising like regardless of the money recouped.

It's not impossible, we just dont have a great track record and getting 2 or 3 top 4 finishes on the bounce is pretty elusive for us.

[Jim44]

Like you I think we could end up in a mid table situation if the transfer & recruitment is not handled quickly.


Why?

We were the third best team in the country last season, we've not got worse, and the other teams haven't improved their squads drastically either.

If rumours are correct, we could be worse in a couple of weeks, tho’.

[Stuart93]

If rumours are correct, we could be worse in a couple of weeks, tho’.

Aye but who’s to say we won’t sign players who’ll more than fill the void left by those that move on.

We signed Nisbet for £250k just last summer, it can be done again.

Just because we’re losing good players doesn’t mean we won’t bring good players in. I have faith in JR and the recruitment team to get it right

[04Sauzee]

If rumours are correct, we could be worse in a couple of weeks, tho’.

We will recruit players in fact we already have recruited. I'm pretty relaxed as to where we are right now and expect to see some movement both ways in the coming Weeks.

[jacomo]

If we lose all 3 it is where we could end up. Rarely do Hibs replace like for even promising like regardless of the money recouped.

It's not impossible, we just dont have a great track record and getting 2 or 3 top 4 finishes on the bounce is pretty elusive for us.


:agree:

We could be looking at four first 11 players leaving. That’s a big rebuilding job.

[Jim44]

Aye but who’s to say we won’t sign players who’ll more than fill the void left by those that move on.

We signed Nisbet for £250k just last summer, it can be done again.

Just because we’re losing good players doesn’t mean we won’t bring good players in. I have faith in JR and the recruitment team to get it right

This discussion is basically about optimism v uncertainty, not optimism v pessimism. Like you, I’m hoping that JR and his team are on top of things.

[we are hibs]

Thats hearts just signed someone from our partners Brighton on loan.

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[Unseen work]

Losing Nisbet, Doig and Porteous would be very very hard to replace I don’t care what anyone says.

Nisbet - Take aside the issues he’s had this season etc and think purely on what he’s done on the pitch. He’s a very good player, inconsistent? Yes. It’s his first season in the top flight and he’s banged them in, he has also shown really good link up play when he drops short. He’s also a big lad that can put himself about and works hard.

Doig - he’s gave us something we’ve been missing for years, a genuine threat down the left hand side. He’s bombed forward and at times single handledly dragged us up the park and put us in a good position. He’s improving every week and will have a very good career. He’s also a lot more solid defensively now and he’s some height for a left back.

Porteous - Yes he makes silly mistakes but I’m not having for a second he’s not improved. Compare him when he first broke through and was very poor and rash on the ball to now where he is so composed and starts alot of attacks through being brave on it. He wins the majority of his headers and battles throughout the game. He has quite a few brain farts but they will stop with experience.

I’ve see us lose players before and think they’ll be easy to replace, think of the summer we lost McGinn, Mcgeouch etc. In came Horgan, Milligan, Mallan, Hyndman, Aygepong - All looked good on paper but who was actually good enough?

I don’t want us spending the bulk of the money we receive on new players as I think with our fan base any fee attached to a player means they’re destined to fail as they won’t live up to the very high expectations that come with it. I also don’t think the players we’d be buying would be worth the value (especially from England).

Centre half replacements - Kerr or McCart. Kerr more suited imo as we have Hanlon. Ciaron Brown is one I’d like to see us go for, impressed on loan at Livi.

Left back replacements - Mackie? Looked really good last season when he got a chance against Celtic then not been seen again with injuries. Could we potentially get Greg Taylor? Also linked with Scott McMann.

Striker replacements- 31 year old Griffiths? Shankland? Chris Maguire? Zak Rudden - similar path to Nisbet?

It will be a massive rebuild and that’s not including others that will potentially leave - Boyle, Hallberg, Mallan, Gullan etc.

[Stuart93]

Thats hearts just signed someone from our partners Brighton on loan.

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Such a strange situation.

That’s our “partners” now loaned two players out to Aberdeen & Hearts. Presumably strengthening them in the process

[ancient hibee]

Aye but who’s to say we won’t sign players who’ll more than fill the void left by those that move on.

We signed Nisbet for £250k just last summer, it can be done again.

Just because we’re losing good players doesn’t mean we won’t bring good players in. I have faith in JR and the recruitment team to get it right

When we signed Nisbet he was expected to do well. I see nobody in Scotland,available for signing,anywhere near his standard.

[Peevemor]

Thats hearts just signed someone from our partners Brighton on loan.

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Maybe we"re not looking for a left back with only 8 1st team appearances on loan.

[Bridge hibs]

Agree. Has Barry Douglas signed for anyone yet? He’d be a good signingHolding talks with Brescia according to BBC gossip page

[Waxy]

Such a strange situation.

That’s our “partners” now loaned two players out to Aberdeen & Hearts. Presumably strengthening them in the process
Unless they’ve been planted to cause maximum disruption in both camps? Eh eh?

[BegbieHSC]

Maybe he’s pish, and Brighton are doing us a favour, weakening Hearts with ***** players.

[Brightside]

Maybe we"re not looking for a left back with only 8 1st team appearances on loan.

With plenty injury problems. Swerve. Even the Hearts fans are unimpressed.

[Brightside]

I don't even think we have any exclusive agreement with Brighton when it comes to players. Unless i've missed that, there was no mention of that in the press release.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Mackie deserves a chance

Best to loan him out and get him back when he is ready to compete

[Andy74]

Best to loan him out and get him back when he is ready to compete

He’s not a kid any more. Either he’s ready to be our left back or he should be moved on.

[Brightside]

He’s not a kid any more. Either he’s ready to be our left back or he should be moved on.

Yep - 21 years old. Has to be playing now.

[Peevemor]

Such a strange situation.

That’s our “partners” now loaned two players out to Aberdeen & Hearts. Presumably strengthening them in the process

He only has 8 1st team appearances, including 5 in the Belgian 2nd tier last season.

[jacomo]

When we signed Nisbet he was expected to do well. I see nobody in Scotland,available for signing,anywhere near his standard.


Indeed. He was on our radar for at least 6 months before he signed too.

[Stuart93]

Unless they’ve been planted to cause maximum disruption in both camps? Eh eh?

Double agents. I like it.