Summer 2021-22 transfer thread

[Brightside]

We were clearly in discussions with the Hamilton player:https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hamilton-confirm-approaches-for-hakeem-odoffin-amid-reported-hibs-interest-3300185

We werent. If you actually read that article at no point do Hamilton say Hibs have spoken to them.

[AlbertK86]

Cannae mind

Read that much pish :greengrin

Maybes on here

Been looking forward to it aw week

Let’s see what happens?

Edit;

Hibs Central ( Twitter) just confirmed defo happening today

GGTTH

Hibs Central confirmed ….. read it elsewhere usually on here as he/she always does


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[BILLYHIBS]

Hibs Central confirmed ….. read it elsewhere usually on here as he/she always does


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Apologies to the poster on the PM Board if I have inadvertently lifted it from there

Feel bad now

[SMAXXA]

Thats not 100% correct. If once he comes to HTC he fails a medical the pre contract can be ripped up.

How sure are you of that?

[Andy74]

How sure are you of that?

There appears to be one example from Celtic about 9 years ago.

[bingo70]

There appears to be one example from Celtic about 9 years ago.

Did Dunfermline not get stung with a pre-contract for one reason or another?

I can’t remember the ins and outs of it, not sure if it was the player changing their mind or an injury. I just remember Dunfermline being involved.

[Brightside]

How sure are you of that?

92% :wink::thumbsup:

[w pilton hibby]

We were clearly in discussions with the Hamilton player:https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hamilton-confirm-approaches-for-hakeem-odoffin-amid-reported-hibs-interest-3300185

Hamilton have accepted a bid for Odoffin from Rotherham

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/rotherham-bid-hakeem-odoffin-confirmed-24633190

[CapitalGreen]

How sure are you of that?

Reposting from PM board.


“When you sign a player on a pre-contract there is always that option to break it. It’s a huge blow for him – and for us. We really liked the cut of him.”

Neil Lennon in 2012 on cancelling the signing of Jaroslaw Fojut after he suffered a serious injury in his final game for his previous club. Celtic gave him a medical before they planned to complete the signing which he failed.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/celtic-pull-plug-on-signing-jaroslaw-877776

[Leitherhibs]

Reposting from PM board.


“When you sign a player on a pre-contract there is always that option to break it. It’s a huge blow for him – and for us. We really liked the cut of him.”

Neil Lennon in 2012 on cancelling the signing of Jaroslaw Fojut after he suffered a serious injury in his final game for his previous club. Celtic gave him a medical before they planned to complete the signing which he failed.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/celtic-pull-plug-on-signing-jaroslaw-877776


A player signed a pre-contract with St Johnstone (think it was Michael Gardyne) and ripped it up before he joined, only to re-sign with Ross County from whom he'd already been under contract at.

[Andy74]

A player signed a pre-contract with St Johnstone (think it was Michael Gardyne) and ripped it up before he joined, only to re-sign with Ross County from whom he'd already been under contract at.

Not really though, the clubs had to come to an arrangement. He couldn’t have just walked away.

[BILLYHIBS]

The strange case of Richard Brittain

[Leitherhibs]

Not really though, the clubs had to come to an arrangement. He couldn’t have just walked away.


It was Richard Brittain, sorry. Changed his mind for "family reasons".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594

[Andy74]

It was Richard Brittain, sorry. Changed his mind for "family reasons".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23083594

Yeah and both clubs had to agree.

The Celtic one is the only one that I’ve seen over the years that seemed to have an ‘out’. They may specifically write that in or did at the time anyway.

Or for whatever reason the player agreed to it.

[Leitherhibs]

Yeah and both clubs had to agree.

The Celtic one is the only one that I’ve seen over the years that seemed to have an ‘out’. They may specifically write that in or did at the time anyway.

Or for whatever reason the player agreed to it.


Both clubs agreed after the player had lobbied them for a protracted period.

[CapitalGreen]

Yeah and both clubs had to agree.

The Celtic one is the only one that I’ve seen over the years that seemed to have an ‘out’. They may specifically write that in or did at the time anyway.

Or for whatever reason the player agreed to it.

Just going to leave that Lennon quote here again.

“When you sign a player on a pre-contract there is always that option to break it.”

It’s ok to be wrong Andy.

[JimBHibees]

Just going to leave that Lennon quote here again.

“When you sign a player on a pre-contract there is always that option to break it.”

It’s ok to be wrong Andy.

There is always an option to break any contract however there may be conditions attached to doing so.

[HendoDelivered]

Probably a medical for the ladies team :greengrin

[SChibs]

Just going to leave that Lennon quote here again.

“When you sign a player on a pre-contract there is always that option to break it.”

It’s ok to be wrong Andy.

I think it's pretty obvious there will be a clause in the co tract stating a medical will take place prior to the player joining and if it is failed the ck tract is null and void.

[CapitalGreen]

There is always an option to break any contract however there may be conditions attached to doing so.

This conversation has been done before but this is related to pre-contract agreements, not officially registered SFA contracts between player and club. It has never been tested in Scottish Courts whether a pre-contract agreement is enforceable, the much mentioned Richard Brittain was settled between the 2 clubs themselves.

[CapitalGreen]

I think it's pretty obvious there will be a clause in the co tract stating a medical will take place prior to the player joining and if it is failed the ck tract is null and void.

Would be madness not to.

[Andy74]

Just going to leave that Lennon quote here again.

“When you sign a player on a pre-contract there is always that option to break it.”

It’s ok to be wrong Andy.

See below:

In an attempt to release themselves from the obligations under a pre-contract, parties have attempted to allege that the validity of a pre-contract was conditional upon a player successfully completing a medical or obtaining a work permit. However, the DRC has rejected all such arguments on the basis that Article 18(4) of FIFA’s Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players 2012 prevents the validity of a contract between a player and a club being “subject to a successful medical examination and/or the grant of a work permit”.

[GloryGlory]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/new-strategic-partnership-to-assist-player-recruitment-processes

Interesting new partnership with recruitment agent in Croatia.

Wonder if we will be looking at the Balkans in future for young players to develop. They do produce a lot of good players there.

[Unseen work]

So is there a player having a medical today? And who?

[Since452]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/new-strategic-partnership-to-assist-player-recruitment-processes

Interesting new partnership with recruitment agent in Croatia.

Wonder if we will be looking at the Balkans in future for young players to develop. They do produce a lot of good players there.

More good news from the club.

[Since90+2]

There is always an option to break any contract however there may be conditions attached to doing so.

Exactly. All contracts, by their very definition, have conditions in them and without actually seeing the one agreed by Hibs and Chris Mueller it's all guess work.

[Greencore]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/new-strategic-partnership-to-assist-player-recruitment-processes

Interesting new partnership with recruitment agent in Croatia.

Wonder if we will be looking at the Balkans in future for young players to develop. They do produce a lot of good players there.
The club are certainly putting the building blocks in place for the club to reach the next level. It's down to the fans to to buy into it.

[keep the faith]

Not a rumour, but was just thinking how suited to our team liam henderson would be. His infectious attitude and all action style would really give a nice contrast to scotty and Joe's passing game.
I always feel that the spells in which we have been really good we had really good characters in there and the team spirit seems great right now. Liam is of a similar ilk and will have grown no end in italy.

Would give him the corner kicks too!

[Brightside]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/new-strategic-partnership-to-assist-player-recruitment-processes

Interesting new partnership with recruitment agent in Croatia.

Wonder if we will be looking at the Balkans in future for young players to develop. They do produce a lot of good players there.

Think Bingo spotted this last week..... :thumbsup:

[GreenCastle]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/new-strategic-partnership-to-assist-player-recruitment-processes

Interesting new partnership with recruitment agent in Croatia.

Wonder if we will be looking at the Balkans in future for young players to develop. They do produce a lot of good players there.

Very interesting - hopefully it takes off and we get some good players.

[bingo70]

Think Bingo spotted this last week..... :thumbsup:

Love to take the credit for it but it wasn’t me.

Think somebody was creeping about Hibs LinkedIn employees and he appeared. There was an article saying he’d been with us since June. Just had a look for the post but I couldn’t find it.

I wonder if today’s medical is linked to a player found by this guy though?

Maybe get this announcement done earlier and then if we have signed a player through this agency we can talk about the immediate benefits it has brought already?

I think it’s a hugely exciting partnership though. Really love the direction the club is heading just now. Potential feels huge.

[ScottB]

Not sure how easy bringing in kids from that bit of the world will be post Brexit? Wouldn’t they need work permits?

[marinello59]

Not sure how easy bringing in kids from that bit of the world will be post Brexit? Wouldn’t they need work permits?

Not as easy as it was but the same as our Aussies, Americans, Africans etc coming in to our league. Basically, not that much of a problem.

[Andy74]

Exactly. All contracts, by their very definition, have conditions in them and without actually seeing the one agreed by Hibs and Chris Mueller it's all guess work.

Not all guess work. As posted above, FIFA have ruled they don’t accept subject to medical clauses so you best get that part sorted before committing.

The Celtic example was a long time ago.

[bingo70]

Not sure how easy bringing in kids from that bit of the world will be post Brexit? Wouldn’t they need work permits?

Don’t think the purpose of this link up is to bring in kids is it? I’m sure that’ll be part of it but I thought it was recruitment process for the first team.

[Greencore]

Nearly 1 and no player announcement.


PETRIE

[GloryGlory]

Don’t think the purpose of this link up is to bring in kids is it? I’m sure that’ll be part of it but I thought it was recruitment process for the first team.

There are young players who are first team level, but can still be developed further.

[Billy Whizz]

Think Bingo spotted this last week..... :thumbsup:

Think it was Cyber Sauzee on PM board

[Jim44]

So is there a player having a medical today? And who?

I don’t think that anyone, except certain club staff, would be privvy to medical and health information. If anyone were to divulge this info, they would be in breach of club regulations and probably medical confidentiality. So it’s probably a lot of tosh.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/new-strategic-partnership-to-assist-player-recruitment-processes

Interesting new partnership with recruitment agent in Croatia.

Wonder if we will be looking at the Balkans in future for young players to develop. They do produce a lot of good players there.

That sounds a superb link up. Croatia must be one of the best sources of technically gifted footballers especially given its small population.

[Stuart93]

I don’t think that anyone, except certain club staff, would be privvy to medical and health information. If anyone were to divulge this info, they would be in breach of club regulations and probably medical confidentiality. So it’s probably a lot of tosh.

It hasn’t been a load of tosh in the past from the same source

[Jim44]

It hasn’t been a load of tosh in the past from the same source

Well, scrub the last sentence. The rest holds true. :greengrin

[GordonHFC]

See below:

In an attempt to release themselves from the obligations under a pre-contract, parties have attempted to allege that the validity of a pre-contract was conditional upon a player successfully completing a medical or obtaining a work permit. However, the DRC has rejected all such arguments on the basis that Article 18(4) of FIFA’s Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players 2012 prevents the validity of a contract between a player and a club being “subject to a successful medical examination and/or the grant of a work permit”.

Hence the clause added to the pre-contract stating 'subject to passing a fitness test' which is agreed by both parties.

[kaimendhibs]

It hasn’t been a load of tosh in the past from the same source

Im never in he know but was told last night it is Stephen O Donnell. Apparently Hibs paid his release fee and he had medical last night.
Only what I was told

[JimBHibees]

Im never in he know but was told last night it is Stephen O Donnell. Apparently Hibs paid his release fee and he had medical last night.
Only what I was told

Interesting new rumour thanks for sharing.

[04Sauzee]

Im never in he know but was told last night it is Stephen O Donnell. Apparently Hibs paid his release fee and he had medical last night.
Only what I was told

DR reporting that Sunderland are preparing a 500k bid ?

[Andy74]

Hence the clause added to the pre-contract stating 'subject to passing a fitness test' which is agreed by both parties.

Eh? This is what FIFA have prohibited.

[Unseen work]

Im never in he know but was told last night it is Stephen O Donnell. Apparently Hibs paid his release fee and he had medical last night.
Only what I was told

Appreciate the information but can’t see that being true.

He signed a 2 year contract extension in April.

Never know though, we’re now light on cover there with Cadden being injured.

I would imagine he would want to be first pick though and as McGinn js now our vice captain I can’t see him being dropped.

[GloryGlory]

Im never in he know but was told last night it is Stephen O Donnell. Apparently Hibs paid his release fee and he had medical last night.
Only what I was told

I can't see Motherwell letting him come to us two days before we play them? Especially since he only signed a two year deal in April.

[hibby rae]

Nearly 1 and no player announcement.


PETRIE

What odds are we getting that nothing happens today? 😂😂

[kaimendhibs]

I can see why it may not be true but only passing on what I was told last night. I took it in good faith.

[Dmas]

Appreciate the information but can’t see that being true.

He signed a 2 year contract extension in April.

Never know though, we’re now light on cover there with Cadden being injured.

I would imagine he would want to be first pick though and as McGinn js now our vice captain I can’t see him being dropped.

Maybe the idea is to use mcginn more as a CB? Mathie quoted as saying a CB and a striker as targets maybe not getting much traction on the CB front so extra cover at RB Free’s up McGinn?

Saying that I’d be suprised if we spend a decent fee on O’Donnell at 29

[bingo70]

What odds are we getting that nothing happens today? 😂😂

The person who posted the rumour on the PM board about the medical has a superb record of being right. Clearly not just made up guess work and they are definitely in the know about this kind of thing.

That said though, if there was anything happening imminently, I’d assume someone in the media would have picked up on it by now.

I think the day will pass with no new signings.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I can't see Motherwell letting him come to us two days before we play them? Especially since he only signed a two year deal in April.

If he has a release clause fee and Hibs have paid it then I’m not sure they would have a say in the matter?

[Since90+2]

It could be O'Donnell signed a new deal similar to Boyle with a relatively low buy out clause in it (his would be significantly lower than Boyle's I'd guess).

[J-C]

It could be O'Donnell signed a new deal similar to Boyle with a relatively low buy out clause in it (his would be significantly lower than Boyle's I'd guess).

Does Boyle have a buy out clause? Never seen that reported anywhere, always amazing punters know all the details of players contracts.

[WhileTheChief..]

New strategic partnership....

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/new-strategic-partnership-to-assist-player-recruitment-processes

[bingo70]

Does Boyle have a buy out clause? Never seen that reported anywhere, always amazing punters know all the details of players contracts.

It was reported in the papers in the build up to the cup final.

£500k buy out clause.

Boyle denied he was looking to leave but didn’t deny the clause existed when asked.

[Since90+2]

It was reported in the papers in the build up to the cup final.

£500k buy out clause.

Boyle denied he was looking to leave but didn’t deny the clause existed when asked.

Yip.

[at last 61]

We are doing what the huns do to us just before we play them as in they are going to put a bid in for whoever, also if it is odonnel I will have to stop saying he is mince 😁😁

[hibees 7062]

Sunderland linked Stephen O'Donnell rumours are expected insists Motherwell boss Graham Alexander

[CapitalGreen]

Eh? This is what FIFA have prohibited.

You conveniently missed this key section of the article when you copied and pasted from your first google result.

“Are Pre-Contracts binding?

The enforceability of a pre-contract will depend on the specific terms of the agreement. Pre-contracts are generally not binding under English law as they are usually marked ‘Subject to Contract’ and are simply a commitment by the parties to enter into a later contract.”
- https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/the-enforceability-of-pre-contracts-in-football/

Someone should notify Neil Lennon and Celtic that their pre-contract agreements break the law as they keep offering them with these conditions. This latest pre-contract offer being made in January of this year.

“Former Preston defender Ben Davies opted to snub Celtic for Liverpool due to an injury clause inserted into his pre-contract”
- https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/6647821/celtic-davies-pre-contract-liverpool/

[King Cosell]

Killie have signed a young striker from Boro. Might bang in 20 goals, might be rubbish. It's a lucky dip.

[SMAXXA]

Zero chance we are signing O’Donnell why would we we have a better right back in Mcginn and Cadden probably once he’s up to speed. We don’t need a right back no idea why people keep saying we do (not the guy that posted this rumour I know). Mcginn is very underrated IMO and has rarely ever let us down (mind am sure he made a James hunt of the goal the other night lol)

[SMAXXA]

Killie have signed a young striker from Boro. Might bang in 20 goals, might be rubbish. It's a lucky dip.

Anyone they haven’t signed this window 😂

[Andy74]

You conveniently missed this key section of the article when you copied and pasted from your first google result.

“Are Pre-Contracts binding?

The enforceability of a pre-contract will depend on the specific terms of the agreement. Pre-contracts are generally not binding under English law as they are usually marked ‘Subject to Contract’ and are simply a commitment by the parties to enter into a later contract.”
- https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/the-enforceability-of-pre-contracts-in-football/

Someone should notify Neil Lennon and Celtic that their pre-contract agreements break the law as they keep offering them with these conditions. This latest pre-contract offer being made in January of this year.

“Former Preston defender Ben Davies opted to snub Celtic for Liverpool due to an injury clause inserted into his pre-contract”
- https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/6647821/celtic-davies-pre-contract-liverpool/

English law is not very relevant and if you can point to one single football pre-contract that has been overturned due to English law I'd be interested in seeing the details.

FIFA have clearly prohibited pre contracts that are subject to medicals.

The earlier Celtic case was before this - you'd have to ask the Sun what they meant about the Davies 'clause'.

[Since90+2]

English law is not very relevant and if you can point to one single football pre-contract that has been overturned due to English law I'd be interested in seeing the details.

FIFA have clearly prohibited pre contracts that are subject to medicals.

The earlier Celtic case was before this - you'd have to ask the Sun what they meant about the Davies 'clause'.

Looks like you are incorrect. Better to just say it rather than keep digging.

[Up The Bracket]

Anyone heard it could be Toby Sibbick?

[Mikey]

Anyone heard it could be Toby Sibbick?

Proper left field that one!

[Since90+2]

Anyone heard it could be Toby Sibbick?

Would be happy with that. He looked a player the few times he played for Brora, sorry Hearts.

[Since452]

Anyone heard it could be Toby Sibbick?

Wouldn't surprise me. We've tried to sign him before.

[Andy74]

Looks like you are incorrect. Better to just say it rather than keep digging.

Does it? Want to explain how?

[bingo70]

Anyone heard it could be Toby Sibbick?

Could be the ex-hearts defender that was rumoured before.

[Brightside]

English law is not very relevant and if you can point to one single football pre-contract that has been overturned due to English law I'd be interested in seeing the details.

FIFA have clearly prohibited pre contracts that are subject to medicals.

The earlier Celtic case was before this - you'd have to ask the Sun what they meant about the Davies 'clause'.

Andy - If he turns up here with an under lying health issue or major injury we wont be signing him. He hasnt signed a playing contract with us.

[bingo70]

Anyone heard it could be Toby Sibbick?

https://www.barnsleychronicle.com/article/21235/defender-sibbick-welcomes-new-style-but-adds-when-the-ball-has-to-go-it-has-to-go

Well in the picture at Barnsley. No danger it’s him.

[Vault Boy]

Could be the ex-hearts defender that was rumoured before.

Good shout, the mystery is starting to come together...

Edit: Maybe not. That lasted long!

[Brightside]

Anyone heard it could be Toby Sibbick?

Plays much more as a RB. Again doesn't make much sense.

[Andy74]

Andy - If he turns up here with an under lying health issue or major injury we wont be signing him. He hasnt signed a playing contract with us.

Fine for you to have that view but that isn't the way that pre contracts have been working or what FIFA say about them.

It would be up to us to get a medical sorted before we committed to pre contract.

Only evidence of what you say would happen was pre FIFA ruling.

[Ringothedog]

Appreciate the information but can’t see that being true.

He signed a 2 year contract extension in April.

Never know though, we’re now light on cover there with Cadden being injured.

I would imagine he would want to be first pick though and as McGinn js now our vice captain I can’t see him being dropped.

David Gray was our club captain and didn’t play

[calumhibee1]

Fine for you to have that view but that isn't the way that pre contracts have been working or what FIFA say about them.

It would be up to us to get a medical sorted before we committed to pre contract.

Only evidence of what you say would happen was pre FIFA ruling.

I agree with you.

For all this talk about how you can pull out a pre contract etc there’s been one example given and it was about 10 years ago. The other one was with the Ross County boy but that was an agreement between the two clubs and the player, it wasn’t just the buying club or the player cancelling it off their own back. It would have happened a hell of a lot more often if you could do that.

[badabing67]

When do tickets for the Rijeka game go on sale

[Andy74]

I agree with you.

For all this talk about how you can pull out a pre contract etc there’s been one example given and it was about 10 years ago. The other one was with the Ross County boy but that was an agreement between the two clubs and the player, it wasn’t just the buying club or the player cancelling it off their own back. It would have happened a hell of a lot more often if you could do that.

There's 3 things here.

There's a FIFA regulation that says that you can't make a contract subject to completion of a medical.

There's FIFA practice that a pre contract is a binding contract as long as it has all the required info such as the parties, involved, length of contract, remuneration etc.

FIFA regulation wins over local laws such as pre contracts not being enforceable.


Against that we have one case, before the FIFA regulation, of it happening and a Sun article claiming Celtic had such a clause for Davies.

[GloryGlory]

When do tickets for the Rijeka game go on sale

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/ticket-ballot-for-hnk-rijeka

[CapitalGreen]

There's 3 things here.

There's a FIFA regulation that says that you can't make a contract subject to completion of a medical.

There's FIFA practice that a pre contract is a binding contract as long as it has all the required info such as the parties, involved, length of contract, remuneration etc.

FIFA regulation wins over local laws such as pre contracts not being enforceable.


Against that we have one case, before the FIFA regulation, of it happening and a Sun article claiming Celtic had such a clause for Davies.

Victor Valdes had his pre-contract agreement cancelled by Monaco after he done his cruciate while still at Barcelona and he subsequently failed his medical.

[Andy74]

Victor Valdes had his pre-contract agreement cancelled by Monaco after he done his cruciate while still at Barcelona and he subsequently failed his medical.

Yeah and as part of a compensation package for reneging on their deal Monaco agreed to pay the difference between the wage he stood to earn with them and the lower salary offered by Manchester United.

[badabing67]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/ticket-ballot-for-hnk-rijeka

Thanks :aok:

[CapitalGreen]

Yeah and as part of a compensation package for reneging on their deal Monaco agreed to pay the difference between the wage he stood to earn with them and the lower salary offered by Manchester United.

So do you agree now that they aren’t legally binding and can be broken if a player is injured and fails a medical?

I’ve never argued that a settlement between the parties wouldn’t occur in such a scenario that a pre-contract is cancelled. See my earlier post below.


It has never been tested in Scottish Courts whether a pre-contract agreement is enforceable, the much mentioned Richard Brittain was settled between the 2 clubs themselves.

[Andy74]

So do you agree now that they aren’t legally binding and can be broken if a player is injured and fails a medical?

I’ve never argued that a settlement between the parties wouldn’t occur in such a scenario that a pre-contract is cancelled. See my earlier post below.

No, the fact is they are legally binding and if you break them then you will be subject to having to compensate someone as a result.

You can break any contract you like and then pay the consequences.

[brog]

I think I preferred it when Andy was telling us Macey wouldn't be our #1! :greengrin

[BoomtownHibees]

Stephen O’Donnell just announced as Motherwell captain

[Unseen work]

Stephen O’Donnell just announced as Motherwell captain

Close.

[GordonHFC]

I doubted the medical as the team were over in Andorra and probably wouldn't get back until stupid O'clock this morning. Probably still in their scratchers.

[keep the faith]

Stephen O’Donnell just announced as Motherwell captain

😂 what a scoop that turned out to be!!

[SloopJB]

Is this the right room for an argument?

[Unseen work]

I doubted the medical as the team were over in Andorra and probably wouldn't get back until stupid O'clock this morning. Probably still in their scratchers.

I’m fairness who takes the medical and who requires to all be there?

Not sure the first team playing abroad would have much of an effect.

Also I can’t imagine the folk in charge would have much of a scope to not come in. I imagine if a player needs a medical this will be arranged no matter what and it it isn’t Ross etc would be asking question.

The game finished at what half 7 last night? Plenty of time for them to get back, have a sleep and get into work.

[Highwayman]

Stephen O’Donnell just announced as Motherwell captain

Also reported that Sunderland are interested in him.Transfer quoted at £500k.
I know he’s 29 years old but did Hibs miss out when he packed in at Kilmarnock.

[Lago]

:greengrin
I think I preferred it when Andy was telling us Macey wouldn't be our #1! :greengrin

[007]

Is this the right room for an argument?

I've told you once.

[PatHead]

is this the right room for an argument?

what has it to do with you!!ltyf

[EI255]

I rate porteous very highly and cannot understand why there is not a que of clubs wanting him. 5 million seems to our sell price for players these days ..if they transfer 15 million porteous doig and nisbet could share a taxi to darkheid

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using TapatalkYou won't see Hibs spend that same amount. Lucky if we spent 10% of that

Never gonna happen tho

[CMurdoch]

Is this the right room for an argument?

Are you here for the £5 or the £1 argument?

[04Sauzee]

Are you here for the £5 or the £1 argument?

Fantastic sketch 😂

[HoboHarry]

I think I preferred it when Andy was telling us Macey wouldn't be our #1! :greengrin
No worries, he's moved onto contracts now :greengrin

[SloopJB]

I've told you once.
No you haven't

[Onceinawhile]

Fantastic sketch 😂

No it isn't.

[PatHead]

No worries, he's moved onto contracts now :greengrin

Just wait until Macey's contract is due.

[04Sauzee]

No it isn't.

Yes it is

[Septimus]

Main worry is what will I do with the hour or so that it costs me daily to catch up with this thread and end up knowing exactly what i knew before.

When does the window close?

[CropleyWasGod]

Yes it is

That's just contradiction.

[jacomo]

Is this tie up with Planet Football a big deal?

I’d like to think we are signing the next Luka Modric, but it might be another Brighton partnership (so far).

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/new-strategic-partnership-to-assist-player-recruitment-processes

[04Sauzee]

That's just contradiction.

This is why I love the internet 😁

[007]

No you haven't

Yes I have.

[GloryGlory]

Is this tie up with Planet Football a big deal?

I’d like to think we are signing the next Luka Modric, but it might be another Brighton partnership (so far).

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/new-strategic-partnership-to-assist-player-recruitment-processes

Partnerships take time to develop. We'll see what happens with Brighton and Planet Football.

[CropleyWasGod]

This is why I love the internet 😁

No you...

Stop it. This is just silly.

[04Sauzee]

Kamberi to Sheffield Wednesday

international striker – ex-Rangers man Florian Kamberi on the cards
Sheffield Wednesday fans are desperate to see a new striker come through the door at Hillsborough, and word is that the club are closing in on Albanian international striker, Florian Kamberi.

[Greenbeard]

Kamberi to Sheffield Wednesday

international striker – ex-Rangers man Florian Kamberi on the cards
Sheffield Wednesday fans are desperate to see a new striker come through the door at Hillsborough, and word is that the club are closing in on Albanian international striker, Florian Kamberi.
More fool them. Hunberi probably thinks he'll be getting every afternoon off 'cos it's Wednesday.

[04Sauzee]

More fool them. Hunberi probably thinks he'll be getting every afternoon off 'cos it's Wednesday.

Signed on a season long loan.

[J-C]

It was reported in the papers in the build up to the cup final.

£500k buy out clause.

Boyle denied he was looking to leave but didn’t deny the clause existed when asked.

👍must've missed that, cheers.

[jacomo]

Kamberi to Sheffield Wednesday

international striker – ex-Rangers man Florian Kamberi on the cards
Sheffield Wednesday fans are desperate to see a new striker come through the door at Hillsborough, and word is that the club are closing in on Albanian international striker, Florian Kamberi.


They must be desperate.

[kaimendhibs]

😂 what a scoop that turned out to be!!

Oooops doh. Sorry

[Since452]

Kamberi to Sheffield Wednesday

international striker – ex-Rangers man Florian Kamberi on the cards
Sheffield Wednesday fans are desperate to see a new striker come through the door at Hillsborough, and word is that the club are closing in on Albanian international striker, Florian Kamberi.

League One in England would be a breeze for him if he decides to put the work in. I very much doubt he will.

[CMurdoch]

League One in England would be a breeze for him if he decides to put the work in. I very much doubt he will.

My son just showed me a clip of the bold boy walking out the tunnel at Hillsborough and looking longingly into the empty stands.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Since90+2]

League One in England would be a breeze for him if he decides to put the work in. I very much doubt he will.

Not sure about a breeze. That's a very physical and combative league so I'm not sure it will suit our old friend Florian that well.

[Dazzjw1875]

Was really hoping we would've added a couple more players before now, just don't think we have enough for Thurs sun schedule.

[Greencore]

The rat might be going to shef wed. Do we get a sell on fee?

[JohnM1875]

Was really hoping we would've added a couple more players before now, just don't think we have enough for Thurs sun schedule.

Especially up front!

I'm sure sure we'll get a few in over the next week or so though.

[CMurdoch]

The rat might be going to shef wed. Do we get a sell on fee?

He is already there........on loan :aok:

https://twitter.com/swfc/status/1421156298406735872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1421156298406735872%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.owlstalk.co.uk%2Fforums% 2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller% 3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fswfc%2Fst atus%2F1421156298406735872%3Fs%3D20

[houstonhibbee]

I've told you once.

No you didn’t

[Jim44]

My son just showed me a clip of the bold boy walking out the tunnel at Hillsborough and looking longingly into the empty stands.

…… muttering to himself “If only it were Ibrox.”

[hibbie02]

No you didn’t

Do you want a 5 minute argument or the full half hour (probably with Andy74)?


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[gbhibby]

League One in England would be a breeze for him if he decides to put the work in. I very much doubt he will.
He will score a number of goals and then be looked at by teams higher up in England you can just see it happening. His diary entry should be interesting.

[BT58]

No you didn’t

Nobody expects The Spanish Inquisition !!!!!
B

[badabing67]

The rat might be going to shef wed. Do we get a sell on fee?

He has gone on a one season loan deal

[calumhibee1]

100m for Grealish lol

A guy that couldn’t get a start for England. Ridiculous.

[CMurdoch]

…… muttering to himself “If only it were Ibrox.”

Kamberi will be superchuffed he has made it to England and will be trying like a ..........bear to make the transfer permanent. Obviously if they don't get promoted he will be less keen to stay.

I am undecided on his ability level.

Loan Florian arrived with little 1st team experience but somehow fitted that Hibs team like one of his gloves. An absolute Mathie masterstroke.
Kamberi was fantastic BUT I think a big reason for that was he had a great midfield behind him where McGinn was fighting two guys at once and that was giving time and protection to quarterback Allan and ball mover and manipulator McGeough to do their thing. That allowed hard running Kamberi to receive quality balls in space and he put them away. He looked the real deal.

None of those players have been the same without tasmanian devil McGinn by their side.

The quality supply dried up to Kamberi and his role changed. It was never the same for Kamberi or Lennon after McGinn left. Kamberi started to look more ordinary and Lennon grew frustrated with him and went as far as to publicly accuse him of not working hard enough and generally bullied him. His confidence naturally dropped off a cliff along with his form and he hasn't been the same player since.

Did okay at Rangers but was never going to be good enough. Back to square one at St Gallen who quickly found he was no better than what they already had. Fired out on loan to the **** show that was Aberdeen after Christmas. Made no real impression there. Back to St Gallen in the summer then fired back out for a season at floundering skint giant Sheffield Wednesday.

Buoyed by getting a move to England and with his Lennon wounds finally healed he will give it his all.
Can he make it in a less prestigious and lower quality league than our own where Sunderland will be his new Rangers?
I don't know but i think this move will finally allow us to benchmark his ability accurately.
If he fails here next stop is Motherwell.

[MWHIBBIES]

100m for Grealish lol

A guy that couldn’t get a start for England. Ridiculous.

He is quality.

No offence to you, but do you actually judge a player based on ''he couldn't get a start for England''? Like, isn't there a little more to a player than that? Like ''Hibs want 4m for Nisbet lol, couldn't get a game for Scotland''

He is certainly worth that and more to Villa. Very long contract and hes not forcing a move, always going to be a huge fee.

[gbhibby]

He is quality.

No offence to you, but do you actually judge a player based on ''he couldn't get a start for England''? Like, isn't there a little more to a player than that? Like ''Hibs want 4m for Nisbet lol, couldn't get a game for Scotland''

He is certainly worth that and more to Villa. Very long contract and hes not forcing a move, always going to be a huge fee.
If he goes for that amount what price SJM. Villa have wealthy owners but that figure will be difficult to turn down.

[SMAXXA]

He is quality.

No offence to you, but do you actually judge a player based on ''he couldn't get a start for England''? Like, isn't there a little more to a player than that? Like ''Hibs want 4m for Nisbet lol, couldn't get a game for Scotland''

He is certainly worth that and more to Villa. Very long contract and hes not forcing a move, always going to be a huge fee.

Agree with this, thought the same with the England comment 😂

[duffers]

100m for Grealish lol

A guy that couldn’t get a start for England. Ridiculous.

That says more about Southgate than Grealish

[Lancs Harp]

That says more about Southgate than Grealish

Agree.

[Onceinawhile]

That says more about Southgate than Grealish

He's got them to penalties in a euros final and extra time in a world Cup semi.

He's doing a pretty good job.

Southgate has a system that works, and works really well.

Grealish doesn't quite fit it, and that's why he doesn't get game time.

Nowhere near as black and white as either you or op are trying to make it.

[cameronw-hfc]

If he goes for that amount what price SJM. Villa have wealthy owners but that figure will be difficult to turn down.

SJM is good, but unfortunately he's not near the class/ability of Jack. Mcginn isn't even a guaranteed start this season, he's been very up and down since his ankle injury.

[Lancs Harp]

SJM is good, but unfortunately he's not near the class/ability of Jack. Mcginn isn't even a guaranteed start this season, he's been very up and down since his ankle injury.

Villa have spent a good few quid, if you were to ask Villa fans who their top 5 players were SJM would struggle to make quite a few fans choices. Grealish however is king of the pile by a long way.

[B.H.F.C]

SJM is good, but unfortunately he's not near the class/ability of Jack. Mcginn isn't even a guaranteed start this season, he's been very up and down since his ankle injury.

Would agree that Grealish is a level above McGinn, albeit a different type of player.

But McGinn started pretty much every game for them last season, don’t see that changing.

[MWHIBBIES]

If he goes for that amount what price SJM. Villa have wealthy owners but that figure will be difficult to turn down.

Maybe 35 million, 40 million for McGinn. Never gonna be anything like the Grealish fee for many reasons.

[jacomo]

Maybe 35 million, 40 million for McGinn. Never gonna be anything like the Grealish fee for many reasons.


I think you’re right. But if Grealish goes there’s surely less chance of McGinn moving on?

[cameronw-hfc]

Would agree that Grealish is a level above McGinn, albeit a different type of player.

But McGinn started pretty much every game for them last season, don’t see that changing.

I'm a Villa fan, and as someone said above, unfortunately there's a reason we're after other CM's. Johns great, but he's not been doing it week in week out. We still love him, but he's got to pick it up this year or Nakamba/someone else might replace him. I'm not even trying to be harsh as I've got doluble the love given im a hibby as well, but he's not been doing it as much recently.

Also why Smith is looking at converting him into a typical defensive mid rather than box to box, to try get more out of him as he drifts in and out.

[04Sauzee]

EXCLUSIVE! Lincoln City ready six-figure bid for Dundee United star Jamie Robson | @ScottBurns75

#DUFC

https://t.co/sTJzebsRkx https://t.co/gWvBEYSXiw

[Unseen work]

Personally think Jack Grealish is overrated.

He plays left wing and for me Sterling is well ahead of him.

[BegbieHSC]

EXCLUSIVE! Lincoln City ready six-figure bid for Dundee United star Jamie Robson | @ScottBurns75

#DUFC

https://t.co/sTJzebsRkx https://t.co/gWvBEYSXiw

I don’t know anything about Jamie Robson. If they want to keep him, losing a player to Lincoln City is embarrassing though.

[Hibby Mike]

Personally think Jack Grealish is overrated.

He plays left wing and for me Sterling is well ahead of him.

I would agree with this. Statistically Sterling will bag you more goals. If it's free kicks around the box you're after then yeah; you may have an argument for Grealish. He's a little too greedy on the ball still for me. But then if Pep is successful in getting him he doesn't really need to worry about this as he'll have both!

[Since452]

He is quality.

No offence to you, but do you actually judge a player based on ''he couldn't get a start for England''? Like, isn't there a little more to a player than that? Like ''Hibs want 4m for Nisbet lol, couldn't get a game for Scotland''

He is certainly worth that and more to Villa. Very long contract and hes not forcing a move, always going to be a huge fee.

I disagree. Englishness has put 95 million on his value.

[Key West]

Grealish from a purist point of view is talented and entertaining something which should be appreciated, is he worth £60 million more than McGinn? In my opinion no! English players are overrated and their valuation is ridiculous, see Maguire 80 million.
If anybody is going to get the max out of Jack it will be Pep who has worked with Neymar, who incidentally I think is far better.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Mueller starts for Orlando tonight.


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[HoboHarry]

That says more about Southgate than Grealish
Yes it absolutely does :agree:

[HoboHarry]

I'm a Villa fan, and as someone said above, unfortunately there's a reason we're after other CM's. Johns great, but he's not been doing it week in week out. We still love him, but he's got to pick it up this year or Nakamba/someone else might replace him. I'm not even trying to be harsh as I've got doluble the love given im a hibby as well, but he's not been doing it as much recently.

Also why Smith is looking at converting him into a typical defensive mid rather than box to box, to try get more out of him as he drifts in and out.
Your last statement kind of explains your first paragraph. I see a good bit of McGinn on the telly and it seems like it's been ages since he's been played in his best position.....

[Since90+2]

Grealish is quality. Put him in the Man City team and he'll be unbelievably good.

[Allant1981]

SJM is good, but unfortunately he's not near the class/ability of Jack. Mcginn isn't even a guaranteed start this season, he's been very up and down since his ankle injury.

Yet been captain almost every pre season game he has played

[Johnny_Leith]

I don’t know anything about Jamie Robson. If they want to keep him, losing a player to Lincoln City is embarrassing though.

Pretty sure we sold Adam Jackson to Lincoln.

[MWHIBBIES]

I disagree. Englishness has put 95 million on his value.

You think Pep is signing him because he's English? Seriously?

Guy is a real quality player. If he was Scottish or played for Hibs, you'd be saying 200 million

[BoomtownHibees]

You think Pep is signing him because he's English? Seriously?

Guy is a real quality player. If he was Scottish or played for Hibs, you'd be saying 200 million

And we’d be lucky to get 10m

[J-C]

£100m for Grealish is about the going rate for a player of his calibre right now, still an obscene amount of money considering we still have people living rough on our streets but that's neither here nor there. Yes Southgate got decent results with the players he had, they were pretty negative tactics wise but you can't deny it worked a treat, Grealish was just one of many very decent options off the bench, he was the most fouled player in the EPL last season which says a lot.

[J-C]

Pretty sure we sold Adam Jackson to Lincoln.


We allowed Jackson to move back south due to the pandemic to be near his family, nominal fee.

[Key West]

You think Pep is signing him because he's English? Seriously?

Guy is a real quality player. If he was Scottish or played for Hibs, you'd be saying 200 million

£47 million for Bruno at Man U, £100 million for Grealish.
I know who I would be buying.

[WhileTheChief..]

Take away Grealish’s hairband, make him pull his socks up and he’d be worth a lot less.

Boy-band , poser of a player.

[Ray_]

You think Pep is signing him because he's English? Seriously?

Guy is a real quality player. If he was Scottish or played for Hibs, you'd be saying 200 million

He is quality and importantly, after Brexit, he is English.

[WhileTheChief..]

Take away Grealish’s hairband, make him pull his socks up and he’d be worth a lot less.

Boy-band , poser of a player.

[jacomo]

He is quality and importantly, after Brexit, he is English.


Being English undoubtedly adds more to his value for English clubs.

[AugustaHibs]

Take away Grealish’s hairband, make him pull his socks up and he’d be worth a lot less.

Boy-band , poser of a player.

Lot of pish.

I love mcginn as much as any hibs fan but you’ve got people on here saying he’s worth 50mil. If that’s the case then grealish should break the record transfer fee

[neil7908]

£47 million for Bruno at Man U, £100 million for Grealish.
I know who I would be buying.

Yup. Also, Sancho is 5 years younger, has played at a higher level and has better stats (except getting fouled of course) than Grealish. And went for £27m less.

Grealish is a very good player but no chance worth £100m, especially not in today's market. Such a Pep signing as well - lose Aguero, your best striker and bring in ANOTHER midfield playmaker.

If this goes through, Tottenham well within their rights to ask for £150m for Kane given his goals and assist record.

[Nicho87]

If grealish was Scottish he’s worth half that.

[worcesterhibby]

If grealish was Scottish he’s worth half that.

if Grealish was Scottish and playing for a club other than Celtic or Rangers, he’d be worth about 3-4million

[Allant1981]

£47 million for Bruno at Man U, £100 million for Grealish.
I know who I would be buying.

Didnt the BF deal not end up costing man utd about 80 odd million after the add ons etc, still a valid point though

[Brightside]

Still amazing the forum spends so much time talking about players that won’t be anywhere near Hibs. I couldn’t care less we’re Grelish is going.

[calumhibee1]

He is quality.

No offence to you, but do you actually judge a player based on ''he couldn't get a start for England''? Like, isn't there a little more to a player than that? Like ''Hibs want 4m for Nisbet lol, couldn't get a game for Scotland''

He is certainly worth that and more to Villa. Very long contract and hes not forcing a move, always going to be a huge fee.

No, I don’t judge them on that alone. But if he was half the player folk make him out to be he wouldn’t have been toiling to get into their team regardless of who the manager is.

He’s worth nowhere near £100m though. The english market is ludicrous. If he was Spanish or Italian he’d be valued at half of that.

[BoomtownHibees]

Lot of pish.

I love mcginn as much as any hibs fan but you’ve got people on here saying he’s worth 50mil. If that’s the case then grealish should break the record transfer fee

Aye but if Mcginn put a hairband on then he’d be worth double

[WhileTheChief..]

I’m serious. The socks around the ankles thing is just screaming ‘look at me’.

He’s more focussed on how he looks than how he plays.

[flash]

Still amazing the forum spends so much time talking about players that won’t be anywhere near Hibs. I couldn’t care less we’re Grelish is going.

Too many people still in thrall with English fitba.

[Callum_62]

I’m serious. The socks around the ankles thing is just screaming ‘look at me’.

He’s more focussed on how he looks than how he plays.Totally

Can't believe that dud of a manager Pep Guardiola has fell for it

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[WhileTheChief..]

If you’ve got any Scottish transfer chat, fire in with it.

Otherwise…… :greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

Pep will tell him to pull his socks up.

You’ll see.

[Onceinawhile]

Being English undoubtedly adds more to his value for English clubs.

It's not being English that counts, it's filling a "home grown" slot that matters.

[MWHIBBIES]

£47 million for Bruno at Man U, £100 million for Grealish.
I know who I would be buying.

Is Bruno an option for Man City like?

They are also totally different players in different positions.

[MWHIBBIES]

No, I don’t judge them on that alone. But if he was half the player folk make him out to be he wouldn’t have been toiling to get into their team regardless of who the manager is.

He’s worth nowhere near £100m though. The english market is ludicrous. If he was Spanish or Italian he’d be valued at half of that.

Are you including Pep in those folk? because he obviously wants him badly.

He is worth 100 million, because he is moving for 100 million.

[JimBHibees]

Grealish hugely talented however bit like Sterling has some balance issues and should be booked for diving more. Would be better if he didn't fall over so much.

[Since452]

Still amazing the forum spends so much time talking about players that won’t be anywhere near Hibs. I couldn’t care less we’re Grelish is going.

Get excited when I see there's new chat on the thread only to open it to see folk rabbiting on about English football. Or folk like me complaining about it 😉

[Ronniekirk]

Still amazing the forum spends so much time talking about players that won’t be anywhere near Hibs. I couldn’t care less we’re Grelish is going.

Yep could be a separate thread for non hibs transfers When I come on here I only want to read about hibs transfers or rumour s



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[brog]

Still amazing the forum spends so much time talking about players that won’t be anywhere near Hibs. I couldn’t care less we’re Grelish is going.

Thought it was just me. As someone who lives in London I've seen far too many absolutely awful EPL games to really care about their ludicrously inflated transfer fees and egos.

[Big_Franck]

Yep could be a separate thread for non hibs transfers When I come on here I only want to read about hibs transfers or rumour s



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That'd be great. I've zero interest in reading post after post about english football.

[staunchhibby]

Feel the same here.No interest in English transfers

[WhileTheChief..]

You could start a Hibs or Scottish only transfer thread.

It would prob be off the front page before the end of the day though!

[Eyrie]

Yep could be a separate thread for non hibs transfers When I come on here I only want to read about hibs transfers or rumour s



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But how would you draw the line?

We get linked with a player, who then signs for another club. Would discussion of the actual signing need to move to the other thread? What about if Aberdeen or Hearts sign someone? That would directly impact on Hibs prospects for the season.

I find it easy enough to skim over the non-Hibs chat, which doesn't take long anyway and at least keeps the thread going. There are long periods when there is nothing to discuss for Hibs, or only repetition of what has already been said - often bickering about whether a current player needs replaced rather than focusing on the player linked with us.

[Since90+2]

But how would you draw the line?

We get linked with a player, who then signs for another club. Would discussion of the actual signing need to move to the other thread? What about if Aberdeen or Hearts sign someone? That would directly impact on Hibs prospects for the season.

I find it easy enough to skim over the non-Hibs chat, which doesn't take long anyway and at least keeps the thread going. There are long periods when there is nothing to discuss for Hibs, or only repetition of what has already been said - often bickering about whether a current player needs replaced rather than focusing on the player linked with us.

Exactly. If there is some chat about non Hibs signings just don't respond to the post, it's hardly worth spitting the dummy over.

[Key West]

Is Bruno an option for Man City like?

They are also totally different players in different positions.

Twist it whatever way you want Grealish is a very good player and a delight to watch, give me Bruno everyday and I'm not a Man U fan.
Position for position Neymar wide left for Barcelona under Pep far superior, for the record I'm not a Man City lover either.

[Jordand93]

I take it nothing has came of this unamed player who supposedly had a medical yesterday?

[FilipinoHibs]

It's not being English that counts, it's filling a "home grown" slot that matters.

The ironic thing is he is more Irish than English and bumped the country of his ancestors.

[BILLYHIBS]

I take it nothing has came of this unamed player who supposedly had a medical yesterday?
No medicals took place yesterday according to the normally impeccable source

[GordonHFC]

I take it nothing has came of this unamed player who supposedly had a medical yesterday?

No medical yesterday.

[Since90+2]

The ironic thing is he is more Irish than English and bumped the country of his ancestors.

Yeah not English at all apart from the fact he was born there and lived there his entire life.

[easty]

Are you including Pep in those folk? because he obviously wants him badly.

He is worth 100 million, because he is moving for 100 million.

Cost and worth aren’t the same thing.

He’ll cost £100m but he’s never worth that.

There was a bit of art that sold this year that was literally nothing, an empty space. An “invisible sculpture”. It went for £15k. It was worth nothing,

[easty]

The ironic thing is he is more Irish than English and bumped the country of his ancestors.

What a load of nonsense. He was born and raised in England. He’s English.

[MWHIBBIES]

Twist it whatever way you want Grealish is a very good player and a delight to watch, give me Bruno everyday and I'm not a Man U fan.
Position for position Neymar wide left for Barcelona under Pep far superior, for the record I'm not a Man City lover either.

I'm not twisting anything. Man City cannot sign either of those players, so why are they relevant?

Neymar joined Barcelona long after Pep left btw

[MWHIBBIES]

Cost and worth aren’t the same thing.

He’ll cost £100m but he’s never worth that.

There was a bit of art that sold this year that was literally nothing, an empty space. An “invisible sculpture”. It went for £15k. It was worth nothing,

I'd say in this market, all things considered, he is probably worth 80-100 million. Villa would never sell him for less.

[J-C]

The ironic thing is he is more Irish than English and bumped the country of his ancestors.

Eh? Born in Birmingham and his grandparents are from Ireland, he's playing for the country he was born in and not taken the easy route of playing for the country of his grandparents like a host of other Irish players did in the past like McCarthy, Coyne, McGeady, Owen Coyle who all turned their back on the country of their birth.

[easty]

I'd say in this market, all things considered, he is probably worth 80-100 million. Villa would never sell him for less.

You’re prob right to be fair.

[Key West]

I'm not twisting anything. Man City cannot sign either of those players, so why are they relevant?

Neymar joined Barcelona long after Pep left btw

OK, fair point regarding Neymar but you know what I was getting at.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think he's a quality player who will fit in nicely at City, and Villa wont be able to replace him. Dont know how many times we've tried to replace a big player we have sold with 2 or 3 players, and failed.

[Billy Whizz]

You could start a Hibs or Scottish only transfer thread.

It would prob be off the front page before the end of the day though!

Been loads of Scottish transfers

[Key West]

I think he's a quality player who will fit in nicely at City, and Villa wont be able to replace him. Dont know how many times we've tried to replace a big player we have sold with 2 or 3 players, and failed.

The point I was making BH was regarding evaluation and supporting those who feel that English players for some reason attract at a bigger price.

[WhileTheChief..]

Been loads of Scottish transfers

Why are folk complaining about this thread?

Isn’t it precisely cause we’re not talking about Scottish transfers?!

[hibbysam]

Yep could be a separate thread for non hibs transfers When I come on here I only want to read about hibs transfers or rumour s



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You know where the ‘new thread’ button is. This is a general transfer window thread that we have twice a year. If it doesn’t interest folk just ignore it and move on.

[superfurryhibby]

Eh? Born in Birmingham and his grandparents are from Ireland, he's playing for the country he was born in and not taken the easy route of playing for the country of his grandparents like a host of other Irish players did in the past like McCarthy, Coyne, McGeady, Owen Coyle who all turned their back on the country of their birth.

Tbf Mc Geady aside, the country of their births didn’t want those guys.

Surely the post you responded to was a wind- up ( I hope so for their sake)

[Billy Whizz]

Why are folk complaining about this thread?

Isn’t it precisely cause we’re not talking about Scottish transfers?!

Of course it is
I’m not interested in reading about players like Jack Grealish on here

[hibbysam]

Cost and worth aren’t the same thing.

He’ll cost £100m but he’s never worth that.

There was a bit of art that sold this year that was literally nothing, an empty space. An “invisible sculpture”. It went for £15k. It was worth nothing,

Who decides someone’s worth? What is it based on? Just some random on Hibs.net pulling a number out a hat? You are worth what someone will pay for you, in this case £100m.

[Highwayman]

That'd be great. I've zero interest in reading post after post about english football.
Agree up to a point.But if the Jack Grealish deal goes through,highly unlikely that Aston Villa will sell John McGinn in this transfer window.Thus another transfer window when Hibs have to forget about the decent gelt they would get from a McGinn transfer.
Don’t think there’s another present sell on clause that would give Hibs a decent financial return.

[WhileTheChief..]

You are worth what someone will pay for you, in this case £100m.

That doesn’t really hold true though when you think about it.

If that was the case, then nobody has ever overpaid for anything, ever!

1987 Ford Fiesta. You give me £100k for it, it’s not suddenly worth £100k. You’ve just been a mug and overpaid.

£12m paid for Tore Andre Flo? Pretty much universally agreed that we was never worth it. The game is littered with examples.

Closer to home, James Collins for £200k!!

[gbhibby]

When I raised the price for SJM I was only thinking of the payoff for Hibs. Villa fans reckon he is 40 to 50m in the current market. Dean Smith might now be able to play him in his best position now if Grealish goes. Grealish did represent Ireland as a youngster.

[calumhibee1]

That doesn’t really hold true though when you think about it.

If that was the case, then nobody has ever overpaid for anything, ever!

1987 Ford Fiesta. You give me £100k for it, it’s not suddenly worth £100k. You’ve just been a mug and overpaid.

£12m paid for Tore Andre Flo? Pretty much universally agreed that we was never worth it. The game is littered with examples.

Closer to home, James Collins for £200k!!

:agree:

[easty]

I think he's a quality player who will fit in nicely at City, and Villa wont be able to replace him. Dont know how many times we've tried to replace a big player we have sold with 2 or 3 players, and failed.

Villa looking at Ward-Prowse apparently, not the same type of player as Grealish really, but he’s a very good player still.

[CapitalGreen]

That doesn’t really hold true though when you think about it.

If that was the case, then nobody has ever overpaid for anything, ever!

1987 Ford Fiesta. You give me £100k for it, it’s not suddenly worth £100k. You’ve just been a mug and overpaid.

£12m paid for Tore Andre Flo? Pretty much universally agreed that we was never worth it. The game is littered with examples.

Closer to home, James Collins for £200k!!

All judged with the benefit of hindsight. All your post proves is that it’s not really possible to say whether a player is “worth” their transfer fee until after the fact.

“Bizarre”, “absolute bonkers”, “incredible”, “astonishing…he’s certainly not in the world class bracket”, “never heard of him”, “waste of money”, “ridiculous”, “a signing City don’t need”

All of the above are quotes from when City paid £58m to sign De Bruyne from Wolfsburg 6 years ago. I doubt you’d find many people now saying he hasn’t proved his worth since then.
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?303225-%A358-million-and-300k-per-week-for-Kevin-De-Bruyne

[WhileTheChief..]

Agreed.

But you could equally list players who just haven't cut the mustard following big money moves.

We do it ourselves here all the time on a smaller scale.

If Arsenal bid £1M for Doig is that all he's worth? Maybe to Arsenal, but to us he's worth £5m.

Apparently Josh Vela and Tom James were on a decent wage with us. Whatever they were on, they definitely weren't worth it!

[Key West]

All judged with the benefit of hindsight. All your post proves is that it’s not really possible to say whether a player is “worth” their transfer fee until after the fact.

“Bizarre”, “absolute bonkers”, “incredible”, “astonishing…he’s certainly not in the world class bracket”, “never heard of him”, “waste of money”, “ridiculous”, “a signing City don’t need”

All of the above are quotes from when City paid £58m to sign De Bruyne from Wolfsburg 6 years ago. I doubt you’d find many people now saying he hasn’t proved his worth since then.
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?303225-%A358-million-and-300k-per-week-for-Kevin-De-Bruyne

Surely it is OK to have an opinion on wether you think he is currently worth £100 million, it must be up for debate I would think?

[CapitalGreen]

Surely it is OK to have an opinion on wether you think he is currently worth £100 million, it must be up for debate I would think?

I didn’t say it wasn’t ok to have an opinion, I’m simply pointing out that your opinion probably isn’t worth much and it certainly isn’t worth arguing over until you have the benefit of hindsight.

[Key West]

[QUOTE=CapitalGreen;6636783]I didn’t say it wasn’t ok to have an opinion, I’m simply pointing out that your opinion probably isn’t worth much and it certainly isn’t worth arguing over until you have the benefit of hindsight.[/QUOTE

Eh!

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

As a long time Villa follower I’ll have watched Grealish a lot more and for a lot longer than most on here i would imagine. Bias to one side, he’s absolutely worth the money being spoken about(relative to today’s market). He’s absolutely class, drags Villa along most weeks in a similar way to what SJM did for us(Villa’s results when he was out injured last season is a good gauge of his importance) and is a match winner.
Not starting for England when they had their best squad in decades doesn’t mean he’s not worth the money, similar to Foden not playing much despite being one of the best players in the league last season.

[JimBHibees]

What a load of nonsense. He was born and raised in England. He’s English.

Like Declan Rice he did play for Ireland at under age levels until not that long ago. Think he used to play a lot of Irish sports growing up in Birmingham.

[Haymaker]

Like Declan Rice he did play for Ireland at under age levels until not that long ago. Think he used to play a lot of Irish sports growing up in Birmingham.

Declan Rice represented Ireland's senior side 3 times.

[GreenCastle]

As a long time Villa follower I’ll have watched Grealish a lot more and for a lot longer than most on here i would imagine. Bias to one side, he’s absolutely worth the money being spoken about(relative to today’s market). He’s absolutely class, drags Villa along most weeks in a similar way to what SJM did for us(Villa’s results when he was out injured last season is a good gauge of his importance) and is a match winner.
Not starting for England when they had their best squad in decades doesn’t mean he’s not worth the money, similar to Foden not playing much despite being one of the best players in the league last season.

Villa and England have incredible young players coming through in next few years.

Villa just won the FA Youth cup and several of those players look the possibly next Grealish.

[JimBHibees]

Declan Rice represented Ireland's senior side 3 times.

Did he didn't realise that.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Villa and England have incredible young players coming through in next few years.

Villa just won the FA Youth cup and several of those players look the possibly next Grealish.

Yeah they have a lot of talent coming through at the moment

[Ronniekirk]

Of course it is
I’m not interested in reading about players like Jack Grealish on here

Neither am I but seems we are in the minority lol



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[superfurryhibby]

Neither am I but seems we are in the minority lol



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As soon as there's anything Hibs related, I'm sure the thread will shift back on track.

[Ronniekirk]

Billy Whizz Fraser Murray man of the match for Killie in last two games Know you liked him and good to see him making an impact so early



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[Ronniekirk]

As soon as there's anything Hibs related, I'm sure the thread will shift back on track.

Yes I know that


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[Haymaker]

Did he didn't realise that.

Yep, think they were all friendly games so he was allowed to switch.

[King Cosell]

Ryan Gauld off to Vancouver Whitecaps

[500miles]

Ryan Gauld off to Vancouver Whitecaps

Away to join the friendly leagues before he's found out.

[keep the faith]

Away to join the friendly leagues before he's found out.

That seems an unnecessarily angry comment. His potential at Dundee Utd and performances in portugal would suggest he is not someone who should be found out. I hope he does well.

Would prefer him to have stretched himself beyond the MLS though.

[cameronw-hfc]

Away to join the friendly leagues before he's found out.

So in other words you don't watch him? Didn't see him win player of the year last season? He's a terrific midfielder that's going to the US probably due to the money. He's been outstanding for Faranese

[cameronw-hfc]

As a long time Villa follower I’ll have watched Grealish a lot more and for a lot longer than most on here i would imagine. Bias to one side, he’s absolutely worth the money being spoken about(relative to today’s market). He’s absolutely class, drags Villa along most weeks in a similar way to what SJM did for us(Villa’s results when he was out injured last season is a good gauge of his importance) and is a match winner.
Not starting for England when they had their best squad in decades doesn’t mean he’s not worth the money, similar to Foden not playing much despite being one of the best players in the league last season.



Exactly what im trying to explain, however it seems his reputation gets in the way and a lot of people just assume he's not up to scratch due to the price tag.

[bigwheel]

Exactly what im trying to explain, however it seems his reputation gets in the way and a lot of people just assume he's not up to scratch due to the price tag.

I reckon Pep is a better judge of footballers than anyone on here ..so if he fancies him, then he is clearly top notch ….

[A Hi-Bee]

Away to join the friendly leagues before he's found out.

Anyone who has lived in Vancouver would tell you why he has moved to one of the most beautiful City's in the world and he is gonna get well paid for it, why the **** would he not want to go.

[ElginHibbie]

Away to join the friendly leagues before he's found out.

You must have high expectations of Mueller then

[JimBHibees]

So in other words you don't watch him? Didn't see him win player of the year last season? He's a terrific midfielder that's going to the US probably due to the money. He's been outstanding for Faranese

Vancouver is in Canada. Great move for him imo in terms of lifestyle and football

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Vancouver is in Canada. Great move for him imo in terms of lifestyle and football

Can think of alot of worse places to be playing football for a living.

[cameronw-hfc]

Vancouver is in Canada. Great move for him imo in terms of lifestyle and football

Didn't even see it was Vancouver, completely went over my head who he signed for, just knew it was over the pond 😂

[JimBHibees]

Didn't even see it was Vancouver, completely went over my head who he signed for, just knew it was over the pond 😂

:greengrin

[500miles]

You must have high expectations of Mueller then

Mueller has come to test himself. Gauld is 25 and has had one successful full season of top flight mens football.

And I say successful, he didn't save his team from relegation. He may have posted some good stats for himself, but he didn't drag the team to the next level with him.

If Gauld thought he would be successful at a bigger European club, he would have signed for one.

[J-C]

Ryan Gauld off to Vancouver Whitecaps


Really, that's showing zero ambition whatsoever, gone and never to be heard of again until he comes back and ends up lower half of SPFL, maybe nice lifestyle but he's only 25 and never actually tested himself.