NFL/NCAA (American Football)

[NOLA]

Browns with their second pick in the 1st select ... Cameron Erving G

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Philly take ..Nelson Agolor WR

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Cinci take ...Cedric Ogbuhi T

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Steelers select ... Bud Dupree DE

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Broncos trade up for Shane Ray

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Arizona select ... DJ Humphries T

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Panthers take ... Shaq Thompson LB

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Randy Gregory with his drug test fails has seen him plummet down the draft list who will take a gamble....

[NOLA]

Ravens select Breshad Perriman WR

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Cowgirls pick is in they take ... Byron Jones CB

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Lions take... Laken Tomlinson G

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Colts take ... Phillip Dorsett WR

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Packers select ... Damarious Randall S

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Saints 2nd pick is ............ Randy Gregory or Landon Collins or Dorial Green- Beckam...... and we take... Stephone Anthony LB

[Gatecrasher]

I dont really know what to make of ice pick to be honest. He looks a good player and will probably work well with Haha.

When is the rest of the draft? Tonight or tomorrow?

[James.]

I dont really know what to make of ice pick to be honest. He looks a good player and will probably work well with Haha.

When is the rest of the draft? Tonight or tomorrow?

It's tonight. Starts at midnight for rounds 2 and 3.

I see Randy Gregory is available. Lots of earlier mock drafts had us taking him
sixth overall so he's really fallen. I wouldn't mind taking him in the second round.

[hibsbollah]

Seattle draft DE Frank Clark from Michigan. Good player anyone? We also trade up to get a little (5'10) wr/kick returner from kansas state as our first pick in round 2. Surprising priority, given the woeful state of our O line.

[James.]

Seattle draft DE Frank Clark from Michigan. Good player anyone? We also trade up to get a little (5'10) wr/kick returner from kansas state as our first pick in round 2. Surprising priority, given the woeful state of our O line.

Watched the second round last night and the analysts were a bit concerned about Clark - saying he had serious character problems. I'm sure Scott will know more as he's a Wolverine. They were quite high on Lockett from Kansas State - certainly some nice highlights of him breaking tackle after tackle as he went downfield. Looks quite slight though.

[Sylar]

I guess I'm odd amongst NFL fans, particularly given that I also follow the NCAA so closely, but I just can't get excited about the draft.


Seattle draft DE Frank Clark from Michigan. Good player anyone? We also trade up to get a little (5'10) wr/kick returner from kansas state as our first pick in round 2. Surprising priority, given the woeful state of our O line.


Watched the second round last night and the analysts were a bit concerned about Clark - saying he had serious character problems. I'm sure Scott will know more as he's a Wolverine. They were quite high on Lockett from Kansas State - certainly some nice highlights of him breaking tackle after tackle as he went downfield. Looks quite slight though.

I'd have steered clear personally. Was arrested twice during his time in Ann Arbor and has a serious attitude problem. Last season (2013/14), he was starting to look promising but was a bit notorious for not turning up to practices on time and playing billy big-baws in the locker room. He's an athletic specimen though, no doubt about it and with the right coach, perhaps his off-field problems will be knocked out of him. I'm not sure Seattle is the place for him to develop though as you've been known to struggle with boisterous, disruptive players of his ilk in the past.

I was pleased with our first round pick of Malcolm Brown - we needed someone to fill Wilfork's position and he's an excellent young prospect. Can't claim to know much about Geneo Grissom mind you.

[hibsbollah]

I guess I'm odd amongst NFL fans, particularly given that I also follow the NCAA so closely, but I just can't get excited about the draft.





I'd have steered clear personally. Was arrested twice during his time in Ann Arbor and has a serious attitude problem. Last season (2013/14), he was starting to look promising but was a bit notorious for not turning up to practices on time and playing billy big-baws in the locker room. He's an athletic specimen though, no doubt about it and with the right coach, perhaps his off-field problems will be knocked out of him. I'm not sure Seattle is the place for him to develop though as you've been known to struggle with boisterous, disruptive players of his ilk in the past.

I was pleased with our first round pick of Malcolm Brown - we needed someone to fill Wilfork's position and he's an excellent young prospect. Can't claim to know much about Geneo Grissom mind you.

Thanks. It wouldn't be the first time a bad influence turned it round and became a model pro mind you. Its a bit of a cliché in fact.

[Gatecrasher]

I guess I'm odd amongst NFL fans, particularly given that I also follow the NCAA so closely, but I just can't get excited about the draft.





I'd have steered clear personally. Was arrested twice during his time in Ann Arbor and has a serious attitude problem. Last season (2013/14), he was starting to look promising but was a bit notorious for not turning up to practices on time and playing billy big-baws in the locker room. He's an athletic specimen though, no doubt about it and with the right coach, perhaps his off-field problems will be knocked out of him. I'm not sure Seattle is the place for him to develop though as you've been known to struggle with boisterous, disruptive players of his ilk in the past.

I was pleased with our first round pick of Malcolm Brown - we needed someone to fill Wilfork's position and he's an excellent young prospect. Can't claim to know much about Geneo Grissom mind you.
What's your thoughts on Jake Ryan joining the Pack!

[James.]

La'el Collins remains undrafted. I know he said he'd not sign with a team if picked today but surely you take the risk for that talent and at this stage of the draft and hope it works out. Ian Rapoport mentioned one team were preparing to draft him today but have now thought again.

[Sylar]

What's your thoughts on Jake Ryan joining the Pack!

If he's fully recovered from his ACL injury from a couple of years ago, he'll be a good addition for you :agree:

He makes a lot of tackles behind the line and is very fast for his size.

[Sylar]

We've apparently signed Michigan QB Devin Gardner as a wide receiver...Gardner is a great all-round player but I'm surprised he isn't stick as a QB!

[James.]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490648/article/former-green-beret-nate-boyer-joining-seahawks

Great story about the long snapper that the Seahawks have singed up. Even if he doesn't make it he looks like a high character guy who would be good to have around camp.

[Gatecrasher]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490648/article/former-green-beret-nate-boyer-joining-seahawks

Great story about the long snapper that the Seahawks have singed up. Even if he doesn't make it he looks like a high character guy who would be good to have around camp.

I saw his story when I was watching the draft, Glad the Seahawks took a punt on him.

[hibsbollah]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490648/article/former-green-beret-nate-boyer-joining-seahawks

Great story about the long snapper that the Seahawks have singed up. Even if he doesn't make it he looks like a high character guy who would be good to have around camp.

I can't see him making it, weighs in at only 220lbs? He'll be blocking guys 100lbs heavier than him!

[SmithyHibee]

And the Wells Report is out, tut tut tut Mr Tom Brady!

[Sergio sledge]

http://deadspin.com/wells-report-patriots-likely-deflated-balls-on-purpose-1702593820 I'd forgotten about this..... seems Tom Brady's ball handlers didn't like him much....

[James.]

So 243 pages to tells us what we all knew - The Deflatriots and Brady like to cheat.



If I was the commissioner I'd strip them of their last three super bowls, a life time ban for Brady and relocate the team to LA and the NFC.

Anything less would be a miscarriage of justice :agree:

[Haymaker]

:yawn: Only thing we did wrong is get caught.

Don't pretend like your teams don't try these things.

And it isn't cheating - it is "misinterpreting the rules."

[hibsbollah]

Kraft's response was particularly classless, essentially amounts to 'well the report is a load of hogwash, and we refute it, but we're a part of the league so we'll play along with the findings while having an attitude'

[James.]

:yawn: Only thing we did wrong it get caught.

Don't pretend like your teams don't try these things.

And it isn't cheating - it is "misinterpreting the rules."

Spoken like a true Patsie :greengrin

[Haymaker]

Spoken like a true Patsie :greengrin

:greengrin Super Bowl Champions.

[lugz]

Cowboys sign La'el Collins, supposedly the division is over already if you believe some in the press.

[Sylar]

So 243 pages to tells us what we all knew - The Deflatriots and Brady like to cheat.

If I was the commissioner I'd strip them of their last three super bowls, a life time ban for Brady and relocate the team to LA and the NFC.

Anything less would be a miscarriage of justice :agree:

Disappointed with the outcome and having read the full report, I find it inconceivable that Brady didn't know about it - incredibly disappointing to read.

What I find particularly alarming is what might have happened had it not gotten caught before half-time. Can you imagine how much worse this would have been if it had been discovered after full-time that we had done this?

As it is, it had no bearing on the game whatsoever as we pummeled Indy with regulation balls - if it had a bearing on the outcome of the game, I'd almost be inclined to agree that stripping us of the title would be a necessary approach. I appreciate that they were clearly trying to influence the overall outcome of the game though and whatever punishment lands will be justified.

Very disappointed with Brady and our equipment handlers but the Superbowl (and all games leading to it) were won on merit.

[DH1875]

Disappointed with the outcome and having read the full report, I find it inconceivable that Brady didn't know about it - incredibly disappointing to read.

What I find particularly alarming is what might have happened had it not gotten caught before half-time. Can you imagine how much worse this would have been if it had been discovered after full-time that we had done this?

As it is, it had no bearing on the game whatsoever as we pummeled Indy with regulation balls - if it had a bearing on the outcome of the game, I'd almost be inclined to agree that stripping us of the title would be a necessary approach. I appreciate that they were clearly trying to influence the overall outcome of the game though and whatever punishment lands will be justified.

Very disappointed with Brady and our equipment handlers but the Superbowl (and all games leading to it) were won on merit.


That's it spirit :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin. You tell them low down dirty cheating patsies how it really is :thumbsup:.

[Sylar]

http://media.giphy.com/media/JNz19eZvQsv3a/giphy.gif

[KirkyK]

Dante Fowler, Jags No.3 pick goes down in his first training session, supposedly a torn ACL and he's done for the year.

Such a Jags thing to happen.

[hibsbollah]

Disappointed with the outcome and having read the full report, I find it inconceivable that Brady didn't know about it - incredibly disappointing to read.

What I find particularly alarming is what might have happened had it not gotten caught before half-time. Can you imagine how much worse this would have been if it had been discovered after full-time that we had done this?

As it is, it had no bearing on the game whatsoever as we pummeled Indy with regulation balls - if it had a bearing on the outcome of the game, I'd almost be inclined to agree that stripping us of the title would be a necessary approach. I appreciate that they were clearly trying to influence the overall outcome of the game though and whatever punishment lands will be justified.

Very disappointed with Brady and our equipment handlers but the Superbowl (and all games leading to it) were won on merit.

Did you watch the interview at Salem University yesterday? He looked so uncomfortable refusing to answer simple questions about it, despite being in front of a rabidly supportive audience.

[Sylar]

Did you watch the interview at Salem University yesterday? He looked so uncomfortable refusing to answer simple questions about it, despite being in front of a rabidly supportive audience.

I did, and I confess to having cringed a few times - a combination of uncomfortable but also smug at points.

Most likely, he'll hide behind his lawyers and the club, who'll understandably (but not justifiably IMO) protect him.

I do find it quite galling how visciously the US sport media are going after us though and taking a bit too much glee in what potential punishment should be handed down.

[DH1875]

That's it spirit :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin. You tell them low down dirty cheating patsies how it really is :thumbsup:.


My bad, post was ment to say, Thats's the spirit Scott :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin. You tell them low down dirty cheating paties how it really is :thumbsup:. :doh:.

All that was missing was the Michigan connection and it would have been post of the year :thumbsup:.

[Sylar]

Fined $1 million and Brady suspended for 4 games of the season...magic.

[Haymaker]

Fined $1 million and Brady suspended for 4 games of the season...magic.

Will be argued down and halved in my opinion. Oh well. Let's see what our back up has in his locker.

[Gatecrasher]

also losing a first round pick in 2016 and a fourth round pick in 2017

[Sylar]

Having read the full report, I find myself quite perturbed by the severity of the punishment given the total lack of hard evidence or incontrovertible fact contained within it. They allege Brady must have known because there were text messages and phone calls exchanged between our equipment guys and Brady - the texts were published in the report and it was banal content such as "how are you doing?", "call me when you a get a minute" etc etc.

They can't actually prove tampering occurred - the scientific analysis suggests that environmental factors alone couldn't have caused the deflation but that doesn't 'prove' anything.

I mean sure, it looks quite likely it was the case but the evidence and solidity of that evidence is utterly lousy and the punishment is hugely disproportionate to the crime IMO.

I maintain, based on how likely it looks, I'm incredibly disappointed they felt they weren't good enough to beat Indy in a straight-up contest, particularly given how easily we blew them out using properly inflated balls in the second half. If he did have some knowledge, Brady should be forced to come out and apologise as he's hurt the future of his time by costing a huge lump of money and draft picks including a first rounder.

[DarrenSQH]

Having read the full report, I find myself quite perturbed by the severity of the punishment given the total lack of hard evidence or incontrovertible fact contained within it. They allege Brady must have known because there were text messages and phone calls exchanged between our equipment guys and Brady - the texts were published in the report and it was banal content such as "how are you doing?", "call me when you a get a minute" etc etc.

They can't actually prove tampering occurred - the scientific analysis suggests that environmental factors alone couldn't have caused the deflation but that doesn't 'prove' anything.

I mean sure, it looks quite likely it was the case but the evidence and solidity of that evidence is utterly lousy and the punishment is hugely disproportionate to the crime IMO.

I maintain, based on how likely it looks, I'm incredibly disappointed they felt they weren't good enough to beat Indy in a straight-up contest, particularly given how easily we blew them out using properly inflated balls in the second half. If he did have some knowledge, Brady should be forced to come out and apologise as he's hurt the future of his time by costing a huge lump of money and draft picks including a first rounder.

They had zero evidence on the saints and Sean Payton and look how that went.

Goodell is a bigger problem to the league than anthing else.

[KirkyK]

Brady hires a so called superstar legal team who've beaten the NFL a number of times before.

Some saying they don't expect him to miss a game.

On top of that patriots get a Nobel laureate in chemistry to refute the science in the wells report.

[SmithyHibee]

Brady hires a so called superstar legal team who've beaten the NFL a number of times before.

Some saying they don't expect him to miss a game.

On top of that patriots get a Nobel laureate in chemistry to refute the science in the wells report.

Yet they also claim the guy was called "the deflator" because he'd been losing weight. Their rebuttal really is laughable!

[Sylar]

Yet they also claim the guy was called "the deflator" because he'd been losing weight. Their rebuttal really is laughable!

I cringed at parts of it but again, having read the full response, parts of it are perfectly sensible and expected.

Neither report says anything particularly damning in either direction and there's a LOT of supposition on both sides.

A jury would never have convicted on the evidence that Wells put forward but nor would some of the assertions in the rebuttal result in admonishing someone of their guilt.

Far too much in the way of guessing and circumstantial evidence on both sides of the divide.

[HibsMax]

Yet they also claim the guy was called "the deflator" because he'd been losing weight. Their rebuttal really is laughable!

Did you read the entire rebuttal, or did you read the headline that you referred to in your first sentence? The refutation is actually a very interesting read and uncovers a lot of holes in the Wells report. When I read the Wells report I too was thinking that the Pats MUST be guilty but when I read the refutation, it opened my eyes. The biggest mistake I made when reading the Wells report was assuming that it was unbiased and factual but in reality they shine a very bright light on areas that they want people to focus on while skimming over other important details. In case you can't be bothered reading the 20,000 refutation, I'll give you one example. What were the pressure ratings for the Patriots balls before the game? How do you know that? Was anything written down? There were two pressure gauges used but it's not clear which one was used. The gauges give pretty inconsistent results, and the Wells report uses those inconsistencies inconsistently i.e., the use one gauge to prove one thing then the other gauge to prove something else. Something else which doesn't prove anything at all but I still find it concerning...there was concern over the pressure of the Patriots footballs and this was expressed to many different NFL officials before the game, including Walt Anderson the referee. Yet, even though these concerns were raised there were still no special measures taken e.g., actually recording the pre-game pressures. There is a lot of talk about how McNally "snuck" away with the balls but in reality that did not happen, not like that. He had to make his way to the field while passing by the referees and several other NFL officials, yet nobody said a word. All this concern about potential issues with ball pressure yet nobody does anything to secure the footballs, measure the pre-game PSI or stop McNally on his way to the field? Doesn't seem like a lot of concern to me.

What about the Vikings / Panthers game when they were caught on TV heating up balls on the sideline? What happened to them? A warning. But when something similar crops up against the Patriots, even though there is no proof, we get $1,000,000 fine, lose 2 draft picks and Brady out for 4 games. We don't know what the PSIs were before the game so we can only guess at how much pressure was actually lost. Why are people so keen to believe Walt Anderson's memory of pre-game ball pressures? Isn't it possible that his memory might be off by 0.5psi?

[Sylar]

http://yourteamcheats.com/

Leaving that here without comment!

[Haymaker]

http://yourteamcheats.com/

Leaving that here without comment!

:thumbsup:

[hibsbollah]

http://yourteamcheats.com/

Leaving that here without comment!

Haha. According to that, because Seattle breached the league's rule about no contact in practice games, this is somehow equivalent to deflategate? :rolleyes::aok:

Pats fans need to be careful with the 'everyone's out to get us' schtick. The huns of the NFL?:stirrer:

[Haymaker]

Haha. According to that, because Seattle breached the league's rule about no contact in practice games, this is somehow equivalent to deflategate? :rolleyes::aok:

Pats fans need to be careful with the 'everyone's out to get us' schtick. The huns of the NFL?:stirrer:

Cheating is cheating :greengrin

Interesting that The Jessies and Denver are ranked higher than us... :greengrin

[James.]

Oh come on!! I'll bite!!


Most of those incidents are individuals making daft, in the moment choices - some random, ex Jet coach sticks his knee out from the sideline is the same as deflate gate and spy gate together?? :rotflmao:

Patriots' cheating is much more ingrained into the fabric and ethos of the organisation and has been for years! :agree:



I'd say there is more a yammish element about New England fans - in the sense that they are delusional and fail to notice how truly brilliant their rivals in green are!

[hibsbollah]

Extra points will now be kicked from 15 yards further back. Will make things more unpredictable..

[Sylar]

Oh come on!! I'll bite!!


Most of those incidents are individuals making daft, in the moment choices - some random, ex Jet coach sticks his knee out from the sideline is the same as deflate gate and spy gate together?? :rotflmao:

Patriots' cheating is much more ingrained into the fabric and ethos of the organisation and has been for years! :agree:



I'd say there is more a yammish element about New England fans - in the sense that they are delusional and fail to notice how truly brilliant their rivals in green are!

I did say I was leaving it without comment - I just found it amusing (though you're right, it was a bit of a fishing expedition).

It's clear that it's been put together by a Patriots fan right enough given the comments that accompany some of the Jets entries :greengrin

I don't think I'm Yammish in any way so I resent that! I wouldn't say there's anything 'brilliant' about your lot (certainly on the field) but there is a lot I admire about the Jets organisation, namely how locally loyal they are as a club - despite how poor you've traditionally been on the field over the years, your fans are among the most loyal in the NFL and it's laudable. Not to mention that your defense this year will probably be the envy of the entire league!

[Haymaker]

Extra points will now be kicked from 15 yards further back. Will make things more unpredictable..

Good idea. PAs were something crazy like 99% completed last year.

[DH1875]

I'd say there is more a yammish element about New England fans - in the sense that they are delusional and fail to notice how truly brilliant their rivals in green are!


:agree::agree::agree:.

[HibsMax]

Haha. According to that, because Seattle breached the league's rule about no contact in practice games, this is somehow equivalent to deflategate? :rolleyes::aok:

Pats fans need to be careful with the 'everyone's out to get us' schtick. The huns of the NFL?:stirrer:

I don't think anyone is trying to equate A with B. The point is that many fans are outraged by this latest incident and talk as if every other team in the league has never done anything wrong. That's just not true.

Revis came out yesterday and said:
"You got SpyGate, you got this and that and everything else"

Seriously? Everyone talks about SpyGate but what is "this", "that" and "everything else"? If the Patriots cheating is so out of control, why not give some examples that people haven't heard of? SpyGate is old news, wasn't considered a big deal at the time AND we were punished for it. So that kinda puts to rest those ridiculous remarks I've read like, "The Pats get away with it (cheating) over and over again". When you try to get something solid out of people, guess what they say? SpyGate!!

I don't think everyone is out to get us, this is more about what fans of other teams are saying. Like their sh*t don't stink.

[HibsMax]

Oh come on!! I'll bite!!


Most of those incidents are individuals making daft, in the moment choices - some random, ex Jet coach sticks his knee out from the sideline is the same as deflate gate and spy gate together?? :rotflmao:

Patriots' cheating is much more ingrained into the fabric and ethos of the organisation and has been for years! :agree:



I'd say there is more a yammish element about New England fans - in the sense that they are delusional and fail to notice how truly brilliant their rivals in green are!
It's funny how when the Pats are accused of cheating, it's national news. When you start to talk about other teams cheating, it becomes trivial and laughable. Don't forget that in this incident, it's Brady that is being held accountable, not the entire organization. If he is guilty then you could say, "an individual making a daft choice".

Explain your "ingrained" comment please. SpyGate and now this. What else?

[James.]

It's funny how when the Pats are accused of cheating, it's national news. When you start to talk about other teams cheating, it becomes trivial and laughable. Don't forget that in this incident, it's Brady that is being held accountable, not the entire organization. If he is guilty then you could say, "an individual making a daft choice".

Explain your "ingrained" comment please. SpyGate and now this. What else?

This isn't just me who says this by the way! It's pretty much the general consensus of most NFL fans from what I can gather.
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=sportsnation&pollId=4674920

You brush off these as if this practice had no effect on the Patriots and their success in the years before then - this is the big issue here. Three teams were potentially robbed of a Super Bowl because of this and possibly an AFC team were robbed of a pennant this year.

The 2002 superbowl? Apparently videotaping the heavily favoured Rams' walkthroughs - then being able to defend every run play to perfection despite St. Louis having never actually ran them on the field before.

2004 Superbowl? Allegedly videotaping the Panthers practice in Houston during Superbowl week. If they were taping this and taping in 2007, I'll let you fill in the blanks about 2005.

No Superbowl wins after they are caught cheating in 2007. Only win another Super Bowl when their QB is caught tampering with footballs (for how long we don't know)

Even when the Broncos were caught cheating it happened to be a former assistant to Bill Belichick that was responsible. He wants to win at all cost and it's blatantly obvious that he has instilled a culture of cheating in Foxboro.

Listen, if it was my team I'd defend them at all costs too but there's no smoke (and lets be honest theres a hell of a lot of smoke here) without fire.

[hibsbollah]

I don't think anyone is trying to equate A with B. The point is that many fans are outraged by this latest incident and talk as if every other team in the league has never done anything wrong. That's just not true.

Revis came out yesterday and said:
"You got SpyGate, you got this and that and everything else"

Seriously? Everyone talks about SpyGate but what is "this", "that" and "everything else"? If the Patriots cheating is so out of control, why not give some examples that people haven't heard of? SpyGate is old news, wasn't considered a big deal at the time AND we were punished for it. So that kinda puts to rest those ridiculous remarks I've read like, "The Pats get away with it (cheating) over and over again". When you try to get something solid out of people, guess what they say? SpyGate!!

I don't think everyone is out to get us, this is more about what fans of other teams are saying. Like their sh*t don't stink.

I don't know what these apocryphal 'other fans' are saying. But going by Seahawks.net which is my only other avenue to fans' opinion(:greengrin) the prevailing view is we're all sick of hearing about it now, and it's symptomatic of the east coast centric media. Brady has behaved like a bit of a dick, (I challenge anyone to watch that Salem university appearance and say the guy didn't look shifty as hell), and because he has a squeaky clean image (lance Armstrong?) it grates more than it would with another player, but really, we're all a lot more interested with what's going on with our own team's rosters.

[Sylar]

This isn't just me who says this by the way! It's pretty much the general consensus of most NFL fans from what I can gather.
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=sportsnation&pollId=4674920

You brush off these as if this practice had no effect on the Patriots and their success in the years before then - this is the big issue here. Three teams were potentially robbed of a Super Bowl because of this and possibly an AFC team were robbed of a pennant this year.

The 2002 superbowl? Apparently videotaping the heavily favoured Rams' walkthroughs - then being able to defend every run play to perfection despite St. Louis having never actually ran them on the field before.

2004 Superbowl? Allegedly videotaping the Panthers practice in Houston during Superbowl week. If they were taping this and taping in 2007, I'll let you fill in the blanks about 2005.

No Superbowl wins after they are caught cheating in 2007. Only win another Super Bowl when their QB is caught tampering with footballs (for how long we don't know)

Even when the Broncos were caught cheating it happened to be a former assistant to Bill Belichick that was responsible. He wants to win at all cost and it's blatantly obvious that he has instilled a culture of cheating in Foxboro.

Listen, if it was my team I'd defend them at all costs too but there's no smoke (and lets be honest theres a hell of a lot of smoke here) without fire.

How do you work that one out? Indianapolis used their own balls and only scored 7 points at half-time. We used allegedly intentionally deflated balls and scored 7 points...the Colts balls remained the same in the second half and they didn't score...we used the properly inflated balls and rattled 35 points past them...I'm defending the practice if it happened but you're grossly overstating the significance of it in terms of the outcome of the game.

A lot of "apparently's", "if's" and "allegedly's" in the rest of your post, which is the point Max is making - it's easy to say "Oh, it's the Patriots, they must be cheating" because other fans would rather that be the case. Recall in 2006 how you were "allegedly" video-taping our defensive signals? Or in 2001, how the Giants were "apparently" listening in on audio conversations between opposition coaches/upstairs staff? I get that we were found guilty of it but no smoke, as you say...Incidentally, I believe it was eventually concluded that there was absolutely zero evidence we taped St Louis' walk-through in 2001 but no doubt this is all part of some grand cover up by the league (which I've read on several NFL messageboards over the years - honestly, it's like reading the posts of yore when the Celtic fans claimed the grand Masonic conspiracy of the SPL or vice versa with the Rangers fans and their Catholic conspiracies.

That Belichick wants to win is blatantly obvious but this 'culture of cheating' you allude to is totally unsubstantiated hogwash. I've said all along that I've been very uncomfortable with the deflation scandal and how Brady has come out the other side of it - his interview at Salem, as bollah points out, is cringeworthy for any Patriots fan to watch and suggests he's guilty as sin. To use this as evidence of 'institutional corruption', whilst defending some of your own instances as 'individual choice' is risible.

[James.]

Just seeing this for the first time. The Clay Matthews and Ike Taylor ones are my favourites :thumbsup:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPmObvuOMYA&list=PLs4hTtftqnlAkiQNdWn6bbKU r-P1wuSm0&index=6

[Sylar]

Looks like we maybe have some concerns regarding Garoppolo as we've just acquired Matt Flynn from Seattle!

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13060132/new-england-patriots-agree-sign-qb-matt-flynn

[Haymaker]

Looks like we maybe have some concerns regarding Garoppolo as we've just acquired Matt Flynn from Seattle!

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13060132/new-england-patriots-agree-sign-qb-matt-flynn

Matt flynn is decent. Reckon Brady will start the season myself though.

[Haymaker]

Can the football season please hurry the **** up! :agree:

[SmithyHibee]

Can the football season please hurry the **** up! :agree:

Sunday's just aren't the same without RedZone!

[E10 Rifle]

Looks like we maybe have some concerns regarding Garoppolo as we've just acquired Matt Flynn from Seattle!

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13060132/new-england-patriots-agree-sign-qb-matt-flynn

Flynn left Seattle a few years ago.

[Sylar]

Flynn left Seattle a few years ago.

Fair and valid point - no idea why I wrote Seattle! :agree:

[E10 Rifle]

Not sure about him though. Has never forced the incumbent QB out of their starting position in any of the teams he's signed for (despite some big contracts) and was even overtaken by a rookie in Seattle (and by all accounts was 3rd choice by the end of pre-season behind T-Jack)

[Sylar]

Not sure about him though. Has never forced the incumbent QB out of their starting position in any of the teams he's signed for (despite some big contracts) and was even overtaken by a rookie in Seattle (and by all accounts was 3rd choice by the end of pre-season behind T-Jack)

I think he's only been brought in for the chance that Brady will miss the first four games of the year - I certainly don't see him forcing Brady out if the appeal is successful and he'll probably end up being cut accordingly.

[E10 Rifle]

I think he's only been brought in for the chance that Brady will miss the first four games of the year - I certainly don't see him forcing Brady out if the appeal is successful and he'll probably end up being cut accordingly.

Yep, fair point and I suppose having him in the back pocket is no bad thing. Does he like under-inflated balls though? :duck:

[hibsbollah]

Not sure about him though. Has never forced the incumbent QB out of their starting position in any of the teams he's signed for (despite some big contracts) and was even overtaken by a rookie in Seattle (and by all accounts was 3rd choice by the end of pre-season behind T-Jack)

It's a bit misleading. Flynn was well thought of in Seattle but he was never going to force Wilson out obviously, and T Jacks stays at Seattle as#2 because he's a team leader/locker room presence. And he was never going to force Aaron Rodgers out either in Green Bay, no QB would. When he has played, memorably in the playoffs for the Packers, he's been exceptional.

i don't know why he continues to sit on the bench for top sides instead of engineering a move to say Cleveland or Oakland where he'd probably start. Maybe a question mark over his ambition?

[E10 Rifle]

It's a bit misleading. Flynn was well thought of in Seattle but he was never going to force Wilson out obviously, and T Jacks stays at Seattle as#2 because he's a team leader/locker room presence. And he was never going to force Aaron Rodgers out either in Green Bay, no QB would. When he has played, memorably in the playoffs for the Packers, he's been exceptional.

i don't know why he continues to sit on the bench for top sides instead of engineering a move to say Cleveland or Oakland where he'd probably start. Maybe a question mark over his ambition?

Sure, I get what you're saying and agree that I'd like to see him move and start (Arizona could have done with him at the tail end of last year for instance) but he was taken to Seattle as the probable no1 QB. To say he was never going to force Wilson out though I would say is not entirely true. Wilson was 3rd round QB and Flynn had signed a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract. I know Wilson has developed very well but he wasn't untouchable in his first year, or indeed the first few games of his career but Flynn made no impact on that.

Just as an aside there's something about Carr at the Raiders I like and I think he'll come on to a game, but he had a really duff team last year. Watch him last year pre-season v Seahawks and I thought he looked very good, but it didn't transpire as even I did eventually have to ditch him from my Fantasy Team!:tin hat: This year though, I may go for him again as a QB2

[hibsbollah]

Sure, I get what you're saying and agree that I'd like to see him move and start (Arizona could have done with him at the tail end of last year for instance) but he was taken to Seattle as the probable no1 QB. To say he was never going to force Wilson out though I would say is not entirely true. Wilson was 3rd round QB and Flynn had signed a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract. I know Wilson has developed very well but he wasn't untouchable in his first year, or indeed the first few games of his career but Flynn made no impact on that.

Just as an aside there's something about Carr at the Raiders I like and I think he'll come on to a game, but he had a really duff team last year. Watch him last year pre-season v Seahawks and I thought he looked very good, but it didn't transpire as even I did eventually have to ditch him from my Fantasy Team!:tin hat: This year though, I may go for him again as a QB2

the thing was though, as soon as training camp started the year Wilson got drafted, it was a three way contest between Wilson Flynn and Jackson. I watched the preseason games. Very quickly It became obvious that Wilson was something special and Flynn was clearly going to be surplus to requirements.

agree about Carr. Good player, potentially.

[Sylar]

I'm still VERY surprised nobody has picked up Ray Rice yet.

I get that he behaved like a dick last year but he's undoubted talent in abundance! I'd really suspected we would have offered him a contract as we seem to take loose cannons and turn them around time and time again.

[Gatecrasher]

Rumours the packers will be in London next year!

[Haymaker]

Rumours the packers will be in London next year!

.net nfl fans night out?

[lugz]

Rumours the packers will be in London next year!

Been mentioned for a while now that they're locked in to play jags next year, another pumping awaits the jags haha

[Haymaker]

50 days! :hyper

[NOLA]

Saints release our best pass rusher in Junior Galette, was arrested earlier in the year for smackinghis bird around though charges were later dropped, not quite sure why gm Loomis is copping flack for a bad contract decision, his play warranted a good contract, you just dont know how players will react when they find themselves suddenly a multimillionaire, its a pisser as i now have to change my profile pick :(

[DarrenSQH]

Saints release our best pass rusher in Junior Galette, was arrested earlier in the year for smackinghis bird around though charges were later dropped, not quite sure why gm Loomis is copping flack for a bad contract decision, his play warranted a good contract, you just dont know how players will react when they find themselves suddenly a multimillionaire, its a pisser as i now have to change my profile pick :(

His twitter meltdown using his girls account is pretty epic.

He seems mental, gald he is gone.

[KirkyK]

Brady gets his 4 game ban upheld...see you in court Roger?

[HibsMax]

Brady gets his 4 game ban upheld...see you in court Roger?

I think so. Everyone has their own idea of what went on but one popular opinion is that the NFL knew that Brady would appeal against ANY ban therefor it doesn't matter if it's 1 game or 4 games. Given that, and assuming the NFL was never going to reduce his sentence to a fine, why would the NFL change their stance? 1 game ban = see you in court. 4 game ban = see you in court. This way the NFL gets to save some face by appearing resolute.

[Sylar]

We probably could pursue it through the courts but I'm in two minds about whether or not I want to see that or not.

Brady has made me uncomfortable with how he's carried himself through this from the beginning and I'm in no doubt he probably did know what was going on. Destroying his own cell phone FFS, combined with how he's behaved in several interviews...

I do think the punishment is disproportionate but had the effort to cheat not been caught until the end of the game, there would be a quite valid call from most quarters to strip us of the Superbowl, never mind this 4 game ban.

He looks guilty as sin to me and I have such an amount of respect for his capabilities as a player. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

[HibsMax]

We probably could pursue it through the courts but I'm in two minds about whether or not I want to see that or not.

Brady has made me uncomfortable with how he's carried himself through this from the beginning and I'm in no doubt he probably did know what was going on. Destroying his own cell phone FFS, combined with how he's behaved in several interviews...

I do think the punishment is disproportionate but had the effort to cheat not been caught until the end of the game, there would be a quite valid call from most quarters to strip us of the Superbowl, never mind this 4 game ban.

He looks guilty as sin to me and I have such an amount of respect for his capabilities as a player. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
It could be a decoy.

I hear what you're saying and I understand why so many people are quick to hang him out to dry but there's still not enough to prove that he did anything wrong. Text messages are two-sided. They don't need Brady's phone, they just need the phone or phones that received the text messages from him. They didn't find any. Are we to believe that everyone else forensically scrubbed their phones clean of all text messages from Brady? If so, why leave the deflator text message lying around to be found? I know how bad things looks but that shouldn't matter. I know football and everyday life are different but I sure as hell would be upset if I was convicted of something with this little evidence.

[Haymaker]

No NFL on Channel 4?

[James.]

Someone made a very good point on thejetsblog.com (the bastion of sensible and insightful football talk on the internet) - Does Brady really have the balls to lie under oath in a federal court?

Still can't figure out why he destroyed his cellphone? Did it have evidence pointing to other underhand activity? Are the NFL in on this and have their hands tied because they deleted the spygate tapes? Are they scared of a so called 'dynasty' being found out for what they are and the wider implications it will have for the league?

Seems a bit conspiracy theory but they are all interesting questions :agree:

Can't see Brady taking it further. I think he'll suck up this punishment.

[lugz]

No NFL on Channel 4?

Surely another channel will pick it up? Wouldn't surprise me if bbc did.

[Haymaker]

Someone made a very good point on thejetsblog.com (the bastion of sensible and insightful football talk on the internet) - Does Brady really have the balls to lie under oath in a federal court?

Still can't figure out why he destroyed his cellphone? Did it have evidence pointing to other underhand activity? Are the NFL in on this and have their hands tied because they deleted the spygate tapes? Are they scared of a so called 'dynasty' being found out for what they are and the wider implications it will have for the league?

Seems a bit conspiracy theory but they are all interesting questions :agree:

Can't see Brady taking it further. I think he'll suck up this punishment.

Instructed the players union to take it to court.

As for the phone, all the evidence (according to the players union and Brady himself) was handed over. They had any text messages from the staffs phones anyway but Bradys side went to the phone company and handed over any evidence to phone messages they wanted.

If Brady is 100% innocent he wouldn't have to lie under oath.

[Haymaker]

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/626158023824814080/photo/1

[lugz]

Supposedly bbc have picked up the channel 4 contract, that never took long.

[Sylar]

Someone made a very good point on thejetsblog.com (the bastion of sensible and insightful football talk on the internet) - Does Brady really have the balls to lie under oath in a federal court?

Still can't figure out why he destroyed his cellphone? Did it have evidence pointing to other underhand activity? Are the NFL in on this and have their hands tied because they deleted the spygate tapes? Are they scared of a so called 'dynasty' being found out for what they are and the wider implications it will have for the league?

Seems a bit conspiracy theory but they are all interesting questions :agree:

Can't see Brady taking it further. I think he'll suck up this punishment.

It's not really a fair question to ask though, as it's loaded with a pre-determined outcome. As is the follow-on sentence I've also marked in bold.

The output from the NFLPA is pretty damning and I now would expect it to go further.

[Ryan91]

Someone made a very good point on thejetsblog.com (the bastion of sensible and insightful football talk on the internet) - Does Brady really have the balls to lie under oath in a federal court?

Still can't figure out why he destroyed his cellphone? Did it have evidence pointing to other underhand activity? Are the NFL in on this and have their hands tied because they deleted the spygate tapes? Are they scared of a so called 'dynasty' being found out for what they are and the wider implications it will have for the league?

Seems a bit conspiracy theory but they are all interesting questions :agree:

Can't see Brady taking it further. I think he'll suck up this punishment.

When this goes to court, nobody will be testifying, and it will be up to the Judge alone to rule based on the evidence already provided, there are a multitude of inconsistencies that will likely result in a ruling in favour of the NFLPA and Brady, namely that Goodell could not have ever been an independent arbitrator for the appeal.

It's a crock of ****, nothing more, nothing less. #FreeBrady

Oh and if anyone wants to read the complaint that was submitted to the courts by the NFLPA, you'll find it here - https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Media%20Resources/7.29.15%20petition%20to%20vacate.pdf

It's long but written in layman's terms for the most part

[hibsbollah]

Russell gets his money, we get the best scrambling celibate godfearingQB in the league:thumbsup:

[DH1875]

Russell gets his money, we get the best scrambling celibate godfearingQB in the league:thumbsup:

Have you signed Tebow as well (green grin).

[hibsbollah]

Have you signed Tebow as well (green grin).

Tebows celibate too???!!:shocked:
shocking. What happened to the cheerleading roasting days of days gone bye?:confused:

[G-Reg]

Hey folks I've started taking a bit more of an interest in the NFL but I have no real connection to a team, is there a team you could draw comparisons with hibs or Scotland?

[DH1875]

Hey folks I've started taking a bit more of an interest in the NFL but I have no real connection to a team, is there a team you could draw comparisons with hibs or Scotland?

Easy, New York Jets :) or should that be :( lol.

[James.]

Hey folks I've started taking a bit more of an interest in the NFL but I have no real connection to a team, is there a team you could draw comparisons with hibs or Scotland?

The New York Jets are the clear way to go!

We wear green and white.
We play in the finest city in the country.
Fans are the classy, intelligent, good looking sorts.
Our main rivals are very yammish and like to cheat. They have very deluded fans :greengrin
We have sucked for the past 40 years.

[G-Reg]

The New York Jets are the clear way to go!

We wear green and white.
We play in the finest city in the country.
Fans are the classy, intelligent, good looking sorts.
Our main rivals are very yammish and like to cheat. They have very deluded fans :greengrin
We have sucked for the past 40 years.

That all sounds pretty relevant plus I'm juat back from a trip of a lifetime to New York! Something to ponder there.

[lugz]

That all sounds pretty relevant plus I'm juat back from a trip of a lifetime to New York! Something to ponder there.
Before you settle on them, consider the eagles.

We play in green, our fans are passionate and love their team. A bit like hibs they're not the most liked by others but who wants to be.

If you want entertained you'll definitely get that, we'll always score points but are guaranteed to lose plenty points as well.

Like being a hibs fan it's a rollercoaster.

[DH1875]

Most folk on here will say their team. If they all took the blinkers off it would be the Jets. Even the patsies know what's going on.

[DH1875]

Anyone know what's happened to the ESPN channel on virgin. Better no have got rid of it cause its great for college ball.

[lugz]

Anyone know what's happened to the ESPN channel on virgin. Better no have got rid of it cause its great for college ball.
548? Annoying when they change all the channels.

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[lugz]

Most folk on here will say their team. If they all took the blinkers off it would be the Jets. Even the patsies know what's going on.
I'd say the jets or eagles are a shout. The Vikings could be an interesting team to start following for a newbie.

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[Haymaker]

Most folk on here will say their team. If they all took the blinkers off it would be the Jets. Even the patsies know what's going on.

Behave!

[G-Reg]

Thanks folks the jets seem to be the front runners at the moment

[Sylar]

Most folk on here will say their team. If they all took the blinkers off it would be the Jets. Even the patsies know what's going on.

I wouldn't say the Patriots funnily enough (I loathe how many people have started 'supporting' us in the past decade). But I'd definitely not encourage anyone to support the Jets either (I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, even though he already is one :greengrin).

I also wouldn't start supporting a team on someone's say-so G-Reg. Watch some games this year and see if you enjoy any one particular team. It could be something as simple as the uniform to how they play the game that gets you behind them :aok:

We all support different teams: some of us are 'arch rivals' but the banter on here is always friendly and you'll definitely be at home with a place to chat about the games/league once we get going. If you struggle to find an NFL team, try and find an NCAA College team as often the NCAA games are better to watch because they're higher scoring and a bit quicker.

[DH1875]

Behave!

You know it makes sence though :)
If you were a fan of any other team and someone asked you the question, who are the Hibs of the NFL then you'd say the Jets. Like I said before, I don't even know if that's a good thing or a bad thing lol. Guess its just how you look at it.

[DH1875]

I wouldn't say the Patriots funnily enough (I loathe how many people have started 'supporting' us in the past decade). But I'd definitely not encourage anyone to support the Jets either (I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, even though he already is one :greengrin).

I also wouldn't start supporting a team on someone's say-so G-Reg. Watch some games this year and see if you enjoy any one particular team. It could be something as simple as the uniform to how they play the game that gets you behind them :aok:

We all support different teams: some of us are 'arch rivals' but the banter on here is always friendly and you'll definitely be at home with a place to chat about the games/league once we get going. If you struggle to find an NFL team, try and find an NCAA College team as often the NCAA games are better to watch because they're higher scoring and a bit quicker.

While I tend to agree with all this, the question was asked, which team would you compare to Hibs. You'd have to agree that the comparison between the two is uncanny. Out of intrest, if you wouldn't say it was the Jets, who would you compare Hibs to?

[Sylar]

While I tend to agree with all this, the question was asked, which team would you compare to Hibs. You'd have to agree that the comparison between the two is uncanny. Out of intrest, if you wouldn't say it was the Jets, who would you compare Hibs to?

I can see the comparisons in some aspects DH but it's very difficult to "compare" two clubs from completely different sports.

Aside from the colours and abhorrent "success" record, what is there to say there's a strong similarity? I guess I've never "picked" a club to support on their similarities to my Scottish clubs. I support the American teams I do because I lived in their catchment area at some point or other...

Perhaps you should chose the Houston Texans Greg, given that Whitney Mercilus was a visitor to the training centre recently :aok:

[NOLA]

i wonder if any old school meadowbank fans follow Cleveland/Baltimore :wink:

[G-Reg]

Thanks again for all the advice. I was just looking for something to latch on to so that I would have a bit more of an interest. My recent trip to New York was my 1st trip to the states and after getting engaged while there i totally fell for the place! Sylar's advice of just taking in a few more games at 1st might be the way to go

[Haymaker]

Thanks again for all the advice. I was just looking for something to latch on to so that I would have a bit more of an interest. My recent trip to New York was my 1st trip to the states and after getting engaged while there i totally fell for the place! Sylar's advice of just taking in a few more games at 1st might be the way to go

:agree: Best place in the world mate, would love to live there again.

[G-Reg]

:agree: Best place in the world mate, would love to live there again.

It's head and shoulders above anywhere I've been before! I do a bit of photography and I'm still working on stuff from the trip which was the start of April

[James.]

Thanks again for all the advice. I was just looking for something to latch on to so that I would have a bit more of an interest. My recent trip to New York was my 1st trip to the states and after getting engaged while there i totally fell for the place! Sylar's advice of just taking in a few more games at 1st might be the way to go

Best city in the world. If you want the full misery experience then I also suggest following the Mets, Islanders and St. John's too! :wink:

[DH1875]

I can see the comparisons in some aspects DH but it's very difficult to "compare" two clubs from completely different sports.

Aside from the colours and abhorrent "success" record, what is there to say there's a strong similarity?

I dunno, maybe your right. For me its the way both teams go about that "success" though. Over the years I've found that both teams have had this great ability in offering you the world, hope and glory only to then squarley kick you in the balls at that exact moment.

Still reckon you'd have been better off picking the Lions though ;)

[Sylar]

Off to San Francisco in December and going to be flying into Seattle so hoping to take in a Seahawks game - how insanely impossible is it to get tickets?

[HibsMax]

That all sounds pretty relevant plus I'm juat back from a trip of a lifetime to New York! Something to ponder there.
The Jets play in New Jersey.

[DarrenSQH]

Off to San Francisco in December and going to be flying into Seattle so hoping to take in a Seahawks game - how insanely impossible is it to get tickets?

look on nfl ticket exchange on ticketmaster. prices are high but tickets are guaranteed and you print at home. Its how i buy my saints tickets.

[Haymaker]

Off to San Francisco in December and going to be flying into Seattle so hoping to take in a Seahawks game - how insanely impossible is it to get tickets?

depends who they are playing too. I found Pats tickets to someone like the Cards quite easily (couldn't go in the end-thanks work)but I found tickets for The Colts game Nye on impossible.

[Sylar]

depends who they are playing too. I found Pats tickets to someone like the Cards quite easily (couldn't go in the end-thanks work)but I found tickets for The Colts game Nye on impossible.

Checked the schedule and they're away to the Vikings in the end! Will probably catch the Raiders the following week though as they're at home :aok:

[Haymaker]

Checked the schedule and they're away to the Vikings in the end! Will probably catch the Raiders the following week though as they're at home :aok:

Wear your stab vest!

[G-Reg]

The Jets play in New Jersey.

Oops looks like I need to do more research

[DH1875]

Oops looks like I need to do more research

Never mind him. He's just being a patsie ;)

[Haymaker]

Never mind him. He's just being a patsie ;)

Is the MetLife stadium in New York City or State..? :greengrin

[DH1875]

Is the MetLife stadium in New York City or State..? :greengrin

Sssshhhh :)

Very easy to get to from Manhattan and good transport links all round. Cracking views on your way back into the city as well. Still, the Giants can have New York and we can have New Jersey, sounds good to me. Doesn't stop us being the Hibs of the NFL.

[James.]

Sssshhhh :)

Very easy to get to from Manhattan and good transport links all round. Cracking views on your way back into the city as well. Still, the Giants can have New York and we can have New Jersey, sounds good to me. Doesn't stop us being the Hibs of the NFL.

Plus Geno is obviously the Sean Welsh to IK Enemkpali's Scott Martin :rolleyes:

Typical, typical Jets - best preseason our QB has had, finally weapons around him and he is literally sucker punched :bitchy:

[Haymaker]

Geno Smith reportedly threw a punch but it was intercepted.

[AZhibee]

Hibs - Jets, good call on that one, from a big city, but seem to be frustrated. Lose at outposts such as Buffalo.
Dumbarton - Buffalo.
Yams - Giants, Jets rival.
Sevco - Steelers, love em or hate em, Bears or Raiders might be other options.
Celtic - Pats, multiple championships, maybe Cowboys.
Aberdeen - Seattle, cold, wet city way out there, good team.
QotS - Miami, think South Beach.
ICT - Green Bay, great white north.
Ross County - Vikings, further north.

[DH1875]

Hibs - Jets, good call on that one, from a big city, but seem to be frustrated. Lose at outposts such as Buffalo.
Dumbarton - Buffalo.
Yams - Giants, Jets rival.
Sevco - Steelers, love em or hate em, Bears or Raiders might be other options.
Celtic - Pats, multiple championships, maybe Cowboys.
Aberdeen - Seattle, cold, wet city way out there, good team.
QotS - Miami, think South Beach.
ICT - Green Bay, great white north.
Ross County - Vikings, further north.

EH? No chance.

[Gatecrasher]

Pats getting spanked tonight

[Haymaker]

Pats getting spanked tonight

It's only preseason :free grin

Is it on Tele by chance?

[James.]

Yams - Giants, Jets rival.


Hmm. Yes there is a rivalry there but nothing to the extent that we have with the Patriots or the Dolphins. I would imagine Giants fans would say the same about the Cowboys and Redskins. Same in baseball, we (the Mets) have a dislike for the Yankees but our main rivals are the Braves and Phillies from our division.

[Gatecrasher]

It's only preseason :free grin

Is it on Tele by chance?

I don't think so, I will be catching up with it on gamepass tomorrow.

[Haymaker]

I don't think so, I will be catching up with it on gamepass tomorrow.

Will try find a stream when back from the pub tonight.

[SmithyHibee]

Hmm. Yes there is a rivalry there but nothing to the extent that we have with the Patriots or the Dolphins. I would imagine Giants fans would say the same about the Cowboys and Redskins. Same in baseball, we (the Mets) have a dislike for the Yankees but our main rivals are the Braves and Phillies from our division.

Spot on, very rarely play the Jets so not much of a rivalry

[Haymaker]

Spot on, very rarely play the Jets so not much of a rivalry

Know some gnats and jessies over there, no rivalry at all between them.

Now when I handed over my Patriots BoA card in NYC...

[DH1875]

Yeah, the patsies are 100% the yams of the NFL :)

[Haymaker]

Yeah, the patsies are 100% the yams of the NFL :)

I don't see the comparison myself. We actually WIN leagues. :greengrin

[DH1875]

I don't see the comparison myself. We actually WIN leagues. :greengrin

Hey, I'm just going by the thread :)

If it was me I'd have you lot down as sevco ;)

[Haymaker]

Hey, I'm just going by the thread :)

If it was me I'd have you lot down as sevco ;)


:na na:

[Sylar]

Hey, I'm just going by the thread :)

If it was me I'd have you lot down as sevco ;)

I've been called a hun on here for years, so I take less offense at that by the month :greengrin

[lugz]

TEBOW!!!!!!

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[Haymaker]

TEBOW!!!!!!

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:hyper

[lugz]

:hyper

Having the eagles back was great but having tebow made it even more fun.

[Haymaker]

Having the eagles back was great but having tebow made it even more fun.

league MVP!

[Sylar]

I get that pre-season is scarcely an indication of how the season will necessarily pan out but I'll confess to being worried about the year ahead based on how we've performed in our two opening pre-season games.

Absolutely paperthin offensive line, a leaky defense and I don't see a wealth of offensive weapons yet...Blount as RB1 is worrying.

Having said that, I have zero expectations for the forthcoming season other than to enjoy having football back!

[DarrenSQH]

Anyone watching Hard Knocks? Brian Cushing seems a bit of a bully in the last one.

It seems kind of awkward this year. Im not sure anyone on the texans apart from Big Vince even speaks to JJ.

[James.]

Anyone watching Hard Knocks? Brian Cushing seems a bit of a bully in the last one.

It seems kind of awkward this year. Im not sure anyone on the texans apart from Big Vince even speaks to JJ.

Love Hard Knocks. Yet to start watching this season but I'm sure it'll be as good as ever :aok:

[HibsMax]

I get that pre-season is scarcely an indication of how the season will necessarily pan out but I'll confess to being worried about the year ahead based on how we've performed in our two opening pre-season games.

Absolutely paperthin offensive line, a leaky defense and I don't see a wealth of offensive weapons yet...Blount as RB1 is worrying.

Having said that, I have zero expectations for the forthcoming season other than to enjoy having football back!

We've only played one pre-season game so far. Second one on Saturday in Nawlins.

I wouldn't read tooo much into it since a lot of the first team don't even get on the field and just last week the Patriots had 23 players missing from practice because they were listed as injured.

Don't worry about Blount, not when Gray is waiting to take his place. :-)

[Gatecrasher]

Anyone watching Hard Knocks? Brian Cushing seems a bit of a bully in the last one.

It seems kind of awkward this year. Im not sure anyone on the texans apart from Big Vince even speaks to JJ.
I think they look like a team that's going to tank this year, there doesn't seem to be much of a team spirit, they have lost a star player and their QB's are about average.

I also think a lot of the F-bombs aren't needed.

[Haymaker]

Reggie Wayne?

[DH1875]

Reggie Wayne?

Way, way past it. Would be just as well signing Randy Moss. Wayne was a real good player but age and injuries have caught up with him I'm affraid. That said, he aint coming to be a number 1 WR and is there to make up the numbers so guess its a no lose situatuion for both parties.

[Sylar]

Way, way past it. Would be just as well signing Randy Moss. Wayne was a real good player but age and injuries have caught up with him I'm affraid. That said, he aint coming to be a number 1 WR and is there to make up the numbers so guess its a no lose situatuion for both parties.

I view it as a pretty desperate roll to try and patch up our crocked receiving corps just now.

Not a signing that excites me TBH.

[HibsMax]

I view it as a pretty desperate roll to try and patch up our crocked receiving corps just now.

Not a signing that excites me TBH.
I agree, this is not a signing around which we're going to build our team. Who knows what is up with Brandon LaFell? Danny Amendola, healthy, but still not being considered as the next Wes Welker that people thought he was going to be - maybe he'll have a breakout year? As a LaFell owner I've read a lot about this signing over the past day and the vast majority of people are saying that while Reggie could be useful for the Patriots he's not fantasy relevant simply because he's not going to put up fantasy numbers. Two things I have to say about that. Firstly, he was injured last year (triceps) and so it might be unfair to use last year as a yard stick. He's not getting any younger but if he can bounce back a little then he could be useful. He's not a deep threat but neither is Brady (typically). Secondly, Hibs.net is a 16 team league and after the draft there's slim pickin's on the waiver wire unless you take a chance on a raw rookie or a journeyman. Faced with these options, which would you take:
a. a player on your roster whose injury status is uncertain,
b. a raw rookie who has to fight to make the roster,
c. an aging journeyman?

Touch choice to make. On one hand you don't necessarily want to punt a player your drafted but holding onto him is a waste if he's not going to play. I'm not speaking specifically of LaFell here, he wasn't a fantastic pick anyway.

[Gatecrasher]

So many injuries :boo hoo:

[SmithyHibee]

Fred Jackson released by the Bills, strange one!

[HibsMax]

So many injuries :boo hoo:

That's the biggest issue / risk with drafting early.

[Gatecrasher]

anyone bored with no football this weekend can sleep easy with College football returning!

Saturday 5 September
3.30pm – College GameDay from Ft Worth, Tx
5.00pm – Stanford @ Northwestern (LIVE)
8.30pm – Louisville vs Auburn (LIVE)
8.30pm – BYU @ Nebraska (LIVE, BTS2)
Midnight – ESPN Goal Line
Midnight – Arizona State vs Texas A&M (LIVE, BTS1)
1am – Wisconsin vs Alabama (LIVE)

Saturday 12 September
2.00pm – College GameDay
4.30pm – South Florida @ Florida State (LIVE)
5.00pm – Oregon State @ Michigan (LIVE, BTS2)
8.00pm – ESPN Goal Line
8.30pm – Georgia @ Vanderbilt (LIVE)
8.30pm – Notre Dame @ Virginia (LIVE, BTS2)
Midnight – ESPN Goal Line
1.00am – Oregon @ Michigan State (LIVE)

[Haymaker]

Boom! Brady is free. On our way to 5.

[Sylar]

Glad the suspension has been tossed out but I can't see us motoring on to 5! :wink:

[HibsMax]

Glad the suspension has been tossed out but I can't see us motoring on to 5! :wink:
What?!? With our depth at WR and RB? ;-)

[Haymaker]

Glad the suspension has been tossed out but I can't see us motoring on to 5! :wink:

Brady will do it all on his own!

In all seriousness I really wouldn't want to be the Steelers secondary on Thursday! He is gonna be piiiiiiissed.

[lugz]

Its Tebow time in Philly!!! 7th round conditional pick from the cardinals for Barkley.

[Haymaker]

Its Tebow time in Philly!!! 7th round conditional pick from the cardinals for Barkley.

Who has Tebow in the fantasy league? Lucky ****er.

[Gatecrasher]

http://youtu.be/esCL6L-og9E

Here we go! :not worth

[Sylar]

http://youtu.be/esCL6L-og9E

Here we go! :not worth

See yer video Gatey? It doesnae work when you press play...:aok:

I'm already scunnered with college football as we're already 0-1 :greengrin

[Gatecrasher]

See yer video Gatey? It doesnae work when you press play...:aok:

I'm already scunnered with college football as we're already 0-1 :greengrin

Keep the faith :greengrin

https://youtu.be/esCL6L-og9EE

[lugz]

Tebow time is over haha

[Gatecrasher]

Northwestern could give Stanford a fright here!

[Haymaker]

Tebow time is over haha

Nooooooooooooooo!

[Gatecrasher]

Northwestern 16 Stanford 6 with 2 mins to go! Stanford look guff for a ranked team.

[Haymaker]

Reggie Wayne has asked to be released?

[Gatecrasher]

Louisville v Auburn could be a belter if the first 7 minutes is anything to go by.

[Sylar]

Jonas Grey being released is a surprise! :confused:

[HibsMax]

Jonas Grey being released is a surprise! :confused:
LaFell and Gray. Not a great week for my team. I really like Gray, wonder what the problem is.

[Pretty Boy]

Anyone got any thoughts on Miami this year?

I've watched all the pre season games with the NFL Pass and when we have had the 1st string on the field we have looked a decent side. Ryan Tannehill looks to have taken another step forwards and I've read a few commentators describe him as a franchise QB.

I'm cautiously optimistic we are finally on the right track.

[Gatecrasher]

Anyone got any thoughts on Miami this year?

I've watched all the pre season games with the NFL Pass and when we have had the 1st string on the field we have looked a decent side. Ryan Tannehill looks to have taken another step forwards and I've read a few commentators describe him as a franchise QB.

I'm cautiously optimistic we are finally on the right track.
I think Miami are in for a good season, good D and picked up some nice players. Possible play offs IMO

[lugz]

Biggest issue for the dolphins is the patriots! They'll not win the division best chance is wildcard which i think they'll be very close to this season.

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[hibsbollah]

Anyone got any thoughts on Miami this year?

I've watched all the pre season games with the NFL Pass and when we have had the 1st string on the field we have looked a decent side. Ryan Tannehill looks to have taken another step forwards and I've read a few commentators describe him as a franchise QB.

I'm cautiously optimistic we are finally on the right track.

i can't see it, although the Dolphins are probably my favourite AFC team. The Patriots always find a way to win, the Bills look fantastic everywhere except at QB, the Jets look to have a top D again and I think you've blown too much of your cap on Suhs ridiculous contract.

[Sylar]

Biggest issue for the dolphins is the patriots! They'll not win the division best chance is wildcard which i think they'll be very close to this season.

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I'm glad you think so! We've made so many roster moves, cuts and signing of relatively unknowns that I don't know what to think about us this year.

A lot of injuries, not much depth at either WR or RB...I genuinely think we'll struggle this year as I think all of the other AFC East teams have improved and we've gone backward.

[lugz]

I'm glad you think so! We've made so many roster moves, cuts and signing of relatively unknowns that I don't know what to think about us this year.

A lot of injuries, not much depth at either WR or RB...I genuinely think we'll struggle this year as I think all of the other AFC East teams have improved and we've gone backward.
Not really paid much attention to the pats apart from deflate gate. Just take it for granted that you'll win the division haha.

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[Pretty Boy]

Also what's the script with games on terrestrial TV this year?

I know Vernon Kay tweeted 4 had dropped the NFL but has anyone picked it up?

[Haymaker]

Also what's the script with games on terrestrial TV this year?

I know Vernon Kay tweeted 4 had dropped the NFL but has anyone picked it up?


channel 5? Suddenly popped into my head

[Pretty Boy]

channel 5? Suddenly popped into my head

I did think that could be an option but can't see any confirmation anywhere. Seems strange Channel 4 went to decent lengths to win back the coverage just to drop it.

[SmithyHibee]

I did think that could be an option but can't see any confirmation anywhere. Seems strange Channel 4 went to decent lengths to win back the coverage just to drop it.

I think the only free to air games (still through sky somehow) will be the Wembley ones, sure I seen Nat Coombs say as much on Twitter.

[DH1875]

What about eurosport, anyone know if they will be showing games again this year?
I take it the BBC will still have the Superbowl?

[SmithyHibee]

What about eurosport, anyone know if they will be showing games again this year?
I take it the BBC will still have the Superbowl?

Not sure about that. Just been announced that its the BBC that have the 3 international series games and the Superbowl free to air. Along with a weekly highlights show.

[Sylar]

Not sure about that. Just been announced that its the BBC that have the 3 international series games and the Superbowl free to air. Along with a weekly highlights show.

And hiding arguably the most attractive game of the three in their red button service... :rolleyes:

[Gatecrasher]

anyone bored with no football this weekend can sleep easy with College football returning!

Saturday 5 September
3.30pm – College GameDay from Ft Worth, Tx
5.00pm – Stanford @ Northwestern (LIVE)
8.30pm – Louisville vs Auburn (LIVE)
8.30pm – BYU @ Nebraska (LIVE, BTS2)
Midnight – ESPN Goal Line
Midnight – Arizona State vs Texas A&M (LIVE, BTS1)
1am – Wisconsin vs Alabama (LIVE)

Saturday 12 September
2.00pm – College GameDay
4.30pm – South Florida @ Florida State (LIVE)
5.00pm – Oregon State @ Michigan (LIVE, BTS2)
8.00pm – ESPN Goal Line
8.30pm – Georgia @ Vanderbilt (LIVE)
8.30pm – Notre Dame @ Virginia (LIVE, BTS2)
Midnight – ESPN Goal Line
1.00am – Oregon @ Michigan State (LIVE)

he Michigan Game is no longer on because of Italian Football

Saturday 19 September
10.00am – Florida State @ Boston College (rep)
2.00pm – College GameDay
5.00pm – GAME TBC (LIVE)
8.30pm – Auburn @ LSU (LIVE)
11.00pm – South Carolina @ Georgia (LIVE, BT Sport 2)
Midnight – ESPN Goal Line
1.00am – Stanford @ USC (LIVE)
2.15am – Ole Miss @ Alabama (LIVE, BT Sport 2)
4.30am – SEC Storied: The Book of Manning

[Sylar]

he Michigan Game is no longer on because of Italian Football

Saturday 19 September
10.00am – Florida State @ Boston College (rep)
2.00pm – College GameDay
5.00pm – GAME TBC (LIVE)
8.30pm – Auburn @ LSU (LIVE)
11.00pm – South Carolina @ Georgia (LIVE, BT Sport 2)
Midnight – ESPN Goal Line
1.00am – Stanford @ USC (LIVE)
2.15am – Ole Miss @ Alabama (LIVE, BT Sport 2)
4.30am – SEC Storied: The Book of Manning

As if I didn't hate Serie A enough already! Our home opener FFS :rolleyes:

[Gatecrasher]

As if I didn't hate Serie A enough already! Our home opener FFS :rolleyes:

It was definitely the better of the 2 games on as well.

[DH1875]

he Michigan Game is no longer on because of Italian Football



Their quite right anaw. Whos' playing?

[DH1875]

Did they show our game against VT the other night? If not, seems strange that the CHAMPIONS havent or wont be on the TV.

On a side note. We are playing Hawaii at the weekend. Anyone else think its mental that Hawaii have to travel that distance to play a game of football.

[Sylar]

Did they show our game against VT the other night? If not, seems strange that the CHAMPIONS havent or wont be on the TV.

On a side note. We are playing Hawaii at the weekend. Anyone else think its mental that Hawaii have to travel that distance to play a game of football.

I found it odd you weren't shown week 1 too actually. The only reason I can think of us being televised nationally (in the US at least) is because of the interest in Jim Harbaugh.

It is a heck of a distance - it's actually further for them to travel than it was for Notre Dame to get to Ireland last year for their exhibition game!

Mental.

[Sergio sledge]

Not sure about that. Just been announced that its the BBC that have the 3 international series games and the Superbowl free to air. Along with a weekly highlights show.

Even those without access to Sky Sports can catch some action, with Sunday’s game in Chicago also aired live on Pick TV. That will be the first of several games on an occasional basis to be shown across non-sports channels during the season, including the final six Sunday Night Football games on Sky One. You can find Pick TV on these channels; Freeview (11), Freesat (144), Sky (152), Virgin Media (123).

[SmithyHibee]

Did they show our game against VT the other night? If not, seems strange that the CHAMPIONS havent or wont be on the TV.

On a side note. We are playing Hawaii at the weekend. Anyone else think its mental that Hawaii have to travel that distance to play a game of football.

It was on BT Sport ESPN. Stayed up for it and was not disappointed, Cardale is a monster of a QB!

[DH1875]

It was on BT Sport ESPN. Stayed up for it and was not disappointed, Cardale is a monster of a QB!

Nice one. I was in my bed :(

[DH1875]

WTF is Jim White doing flying about the US in a helicopter to speak to the different camps??? Bet everyone of the guys on here know a lot more about football than he ever will.

[Haymaker]

WTF is Jim White doing flying about the US in a helicopter to speak to the different camps??? Bet everyone of the guys on here know a lot more about football than he ever will.


Sky know their soccerball domination is at an end so they are trying to do to other sports what they did to the EPL which is to hype the flying **** out of it with presenters who know sod all about the sport in question so people continue to watch their channel.

They're showing Netball FFS. Netball?! And don't get me starting on ****ing cycling! :greengrin


And if anyone even mentions darts....

[Haymaker]

Watching the game on sky and they keep going to Troy Brown and Dana Kennedy in a room that looks fake as ****.

[Haymaker]

Do Pittsburgh have a kicker?

[DH1875]

Bears vs Packers game is on pick for anyone who doesn't have sky sports. Think its freeview channel 11.

[Haymaker]

Bears vs Packers game is on pick for anyone who doesn't have sky sports. Think its freeview channel 11.


Saved my night at work. You're alright I suppose.

[DH1875]

:(

Really not a fan of the Bears helmets.

[Gatecrasher]

Cheeseheads starting a bit slow.

[Pretty Boy]

Houston getting a bit of a doing by the Chiefs, they look like a team that could really struggle this year (the Texans that is).

Miami 10 down and looking utterly horrible on both offence and defence:rolleyes: Some of the play calling is very strange.

[James.]

Big shock so far in Buffalo. Andrew Luck struggling big time against Rex Ryan's defense.

Taylor looks like a mobile QB.

[Gatecrasher]

Big shock so far in Buffalo. Andrew Luck struggling big time against Rex Ryan's defense.

Taylor looks like a mobile QB.
No surprise IMO buffalo shut down Peyton manning and Aaron Rodgers last season.

[James.]

No surprise IMO buffalo shut down Peyton manning and Aaron Rodgers last season.

Peyton put 24 points up against them last year.

Anyway different season, different coach. Still expect Luck to be scoring points.

[Gatecrasher]

Peyton put 24 points up against them last year.

Anyway different season, different coach. Still expect Luck to be scoring points.
Check mannings stats from this game
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014120710/2014/REG14/bills@broncos#menu=gameinfo&tab=recap

[Haymaker]

Sundays are back!

[HibsMax]

What a horrid week so far. TWO players in my starting lineup with 0 points so far. One healthy 0 is bad enough but two? I know Cobb is banged but still. F!!!

[Pretty Boy]

Get in Dolphins.

Landry with a 69 yard punt return. Up by 7.

AFC East teams having a good week so far. Pats won, Bills, Jets and Dolphins all up.

[brythehibby]

Go on the Dolphins. Some run by Landry there

[Gatecrasher]

Good goaline stop by the packers D!

[Pretty Boy]

Good goaline stop by the packers D!

Would the Bears not have been better taking the FG there and then trusting the defence to give them another go at it?

Still plenty time left.

[Gatecrasher]

Would the Bears not have been better taking the FG there and then trusting the defence to give them another go at it?

Still plenty time left.
I guess their thinking is that they need a TD with a 2 point conversion, 3 points is no good really. Anyway they have the ball back now.

[Gatecrasher]

Clay Mathews :not worth

[Pretty Boy]

Ball turned over. That should be that in Chicago.

[hibsbollah]

I knew we'd have trouble with the Rams tonight, but we've gone ahead after trailing most of the game. Their D line is monstrous, their front 4 have been all over Russell today. Richard Sherman has just closed down one side of the field.

[Pretty Boy]

If you get a change watch Bryce McCains interception for Miami. Superb catch.

[Gatecrasher]

Ball on Chicago 1 at the 2 minute warning :thumbsup:

[Gatecrasher]

TD Packers, game over.

[Pretty Boy]

Rams tie things up v Seattle.

[DH1875]

Clay Mathews :not worth

Feel the love :)

[Pretty Boy]

Touchdown Bears. 34 seconds to go.

I sense an onside kick coming up.

[Gatecrasher]

Touchdown Bears. 34 seconds to go.

I sense an onside kick coming up.
:cool2:

[DH1875]

Touchdown Bears. 34 seconds to go.

I sense an onside kick coming up.

Awful onside kick to be fair.

Jets win :)

[Gatecrasher]

Rams win

[Gatecrasher]

Mariota owning it!
manning having a nightmare

[DarrenSQH]

Our D is still a huge problem. With large amounts of our money going to people who don't play for us I feel it will be a hard year.

Drew has to put up huge numbers for us to win at all.

We had a huge chance with 2 mins to go until we wrongly decided to punt on 4th and 6. I would take drew getting 6 yards over our D stopping anything.

[lugz]

Any of you lads heading down to dolphins game from edinburgh and are yet to book travel?

I've been offered return train tickets (first class) but I've already booked flights.

Trains are friday morning heading down and monday afternoon returning. Gutted i can't take advantage but price of losing the flights then the extra 2 nights stay and spending money is too much for me.

[DH1875]

You flying down and back on the Sunday? Thats some tough going if you are.

[lugz]

You flying down and back on the Sunday? Thats some tough going if you are.
Flying down sunday morning then coming back monday afternoon. Always stay for at least one night to get tanked up haha

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[DH1875]

Down Friday morning and back monday afternoon as well. Flying into Glasgow though.
Anyone know whats happening with tickets. When are the normally posted out?

[Pretty Boy]

Down Friday morning and back monday afternoon as well. Flying into Glasgow though.
Anyone know whats happening with tickets. When are the normally posted out?

I got an email the other day to say expect them the week.of the game.

I'm.train down Saturday morning and flying back Monday evening. Can't wait.

[DH1875]

Think the week of the game is a bit tight. We are leaving early doors on the Friday so will miss the posman. If dont have them for the Monday/Tuesday it'll be squeaky bum time.
Where's everyone staying? Central London or nearer to Wembley?

[lugz]

Think the week of the game is a bit tight. We are leaving early doors on the Friday so will miss the posman. If dont have them for the Monday/Tuesday it'll be squeaky bum time.
Where's everyone staying? Central London or nearer to Wembley?
Staying in Cricklewood, 2 tube stations from wembley. Always stay there.

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[Pretty Boy]

Think the week of the game is a bit tight. We are leaving early doors on the Friday so will miss the posman. If dont have them for the Monday/Tuesday it'll be squeaky bum time.
Where's everyone staying? Central London or nearer to Wembley?

Agreed. If I don't have them by the Monday I'll be chasing them.

I'm staying in Shepherds Bush as we have friends nearby who we are meeting for dinner and a sesh on the Saturday.

[Sylar]

I have the luxury of being a short train ride into London and being able to sleep in my own bed before and after :greengrin

Surely a .net drink sometime over that weekend can be arranged? Shame nowhere will be showing the QoS vs Hibs game.

[Haymaker]

I have the luxury of being a short train ride into London and being able to sleep in my own bed before and after :greengrin

Surely a .net drink sometime over that weekend can be arranged? Shame nowhere will be showing the QoS vs Hibs game.

We could invade Calvins boozer on the Saturday night? :cb

[Calvin]

We could invade Calvins boozer on the Saturday night? :cb
Alas, I don't open until the 30th of October. Definitely up for a drink somewhere though.

[Haymaker]

Alas, I don't open until the 30th of October. Definitely up for a drink somewhere though.

Thought you had been down here for months?

[Calvin]

Thought you had been down here for months?

Yep! Plenty to do in the lead up.