Scottish Independence

[Ozyhibby]

Can you point me to when it was voluntary?

In 2014 we had a mechanism to leave. Now we don’t. It’s not voluntary.


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[Steven79]

In 2014 we had a mechanism to leave. Now we don’t. It’s not voluntary.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThey only reason we aren't "allowed" another vote is because they know they will lose the next one.

That's not democracy...

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[archie]

In 2014 we had a mechanism to leave. Now we don’t. It’s not voluntary.


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The Edinburgh Agreement was a political deal between the Scottish and UK Governement. There was no 'mechanism' in place for the Scottish Government to require it.

[Moulin Yarns]

Well if you were serious would would engage with the complexities of what makes a country, but pop away!

Where I come from, a country is the fields sheep and cattle.

But more seriously a country is made up of the people who choose to live there, no matter their origins.

Someone said earlier that they worked in shops on the high St and I echo what they said. I have a number of customers come to me from overseas and I ask them to put a pin on a map in my studio so I can see where my products are going to. Last year it ranged from california to new zealand. But more importantly I ask where in the country they are from, sacramento and Big Sir to Christchurch.

[archie]

Where I come from, a country is the fields sheep and cattle.

But more seriously a country is made up of the people who choose to live there, no matter their origins.

Someone said earlier that they worked in shops on the high St and I echo what they said. I have a number of customers come to me from overseas and I ask them to put a pin on a map in my studio so I can see where my products are going to. Last year it ranged from california to new zealand. But more importantly I ask where in the country they are from, sacramento and Big Sir to Christchurch.

If someone came in who appeared to be from the Indian Sub continent would you ask them what country they came from?

[Steven79]

The Edinburgh Agreement was a political deal between the Scottish and UK Governement. There was no 'mechanism' in place for the Scottish Government to require it.Westminster should have no part in a vote in Scotland to leave it.

Brussels didn't interfere in the brexit vote but somehow we let them send English politician's up to Scotland and London media scare people into voting no.

Next time we need an outside body to set up and monitor the vote as I don't trust the London establishment to play fair.

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[archie]

Westminster should have no part in a vote in Scotland to leave it.

Brussels didn't interfere in the brexit vote but somehow we let them send English politician's up to Scotland and London media scare people into voting no.

Next time we need an outside body to set up and monitor the vote as I don't trust the London establishment to play fair.

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The Scottish Parliament had responsibility for the 2014 referendum.

[He's here!]

In 2014 we had a mechanism to leave. Now we don’t. It’s not voluntary.


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How was it voluntary in 2014? The Supreme Court only confirmed what has always been the case.

Frustrating as it is for those who have been demanding a new referendum ever since the last one, the SNP have failed to move their cause forward since then despite the supposed 'game changer' of Brexit (which nearly 40 per cent of the Scottish electorate actually voted for) and the gift that keeps on giving in the form of the current UK government. Sadly for them not enough folk see another referendum as necessary and Yousaf has been reduced to lowering the bar by tinkering around with Sturgeon's much maligned 'de facto' referendum strategy. He now reckons a majority of seats (even if that almost certainly means significantly LESS seats than they currently have now), not a majority of votes would be enough to 'win the argument'. It's a dead duck strategy that plays to the narrow party base, not the country as a whole.

[Ozyhibby]

How was it voluntary in 2014? The Supreme Court only confirmed what has always been the case.

Frustrating as it is for those who have been demanding a new referendum ever since the last one, the SNP have failed to move their cause forward since then despite the supposed 'game changer' of Brexit (which nearly 40 per cent of the Scottish electorate actually voted for) and the gift that keeps on giving in the form of the current UK government. Sadly for them not enough folk see another referendum as necessary and Yousaf has been reduced to lowering the bar by tinkering around with Sturgeon's much maligned 'de facto' referendum strategy. He now reckons a majority of seats (even if that almost certainly means significantly LESS seats than they currently have now), not a majority of votes would be enough to 'win the argument'. It's a dead duck strategy that plays to the narrow party base, not the country as a whole.

I get your happy it’s not voluntary.[emoji106]


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[J-C]

Can you point me to when it was voluntary?

Scotland subsequently entered into a political union with the Kingdom of England on 1 May 1707 to create the new Kingdom of Great Britain.[23][24] The union also created the Parliament of Great Britain, which succeeded both the Parliament of Scotland and the Parliament of England.

I don't see anything here that suggests we were forced into anything. Remember this decision was taken without the Scottish people agreeing to it, Lords, Dukes and the hierarchy in Scotland decided, not the people themselves.

[archie]

Scotland subsequently entered into a political union with the Kingdom of England on 1 May 1707 to create the new Kingdom of Great Britain.[23][24] The union also created the Parliament of Great Britain, which succeeded both the Parliament of Scotland and the Parliament of England.

I don't see anything here that suggests we were forced into anything. Remember this decision was taken without the Scottish people agreeing to it, Lords, Dukes and the hierarchy in Scotland decided, not the people themselves.

So joining the union was voluntary (as you rightly say in so far as where power resided at that time). But there isn't an exit clause that either party can exercise.

[Callum_62]

So in this voluntary union - what's the criteria for giving the population of one the countries in it the choice to leave?

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[archie]

So in this voluntary union - what's the criteria for giving the population of one the countries in it the choice to leave?

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You better ask people who think it's a voluntary union.

[Callum_62]

You better ask people who think it's a voluntary union.So in this union then, what's the criteria for leaving?

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[archie]

So in this union then, what's the criteria for leaving?

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There none that I'm aware that gives a right to seceed. It requires a political agreement, such as the Edinburgh agreement.

[Ozyhibby]

There none that I'm aware that gives a right to seceed. It requires a political agreement, such as the Edinburgh agreement.

It requires permission, not agreement.


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[J-C]

So joining the union was voluntary (as you rightly say in so far as where power resided at that time). But there isn't an exit clause that either party can exercise.

Why is there no exit clause? If you agree we joined voluntarily, then surely there must be a scenario where we can leave voluntarily also, therin lies the huge problem many people see.

[archie]

Why is there no exit clause? If you agree we joined voluntarily, then surely there must be a scenario where we can leave voluntarily also, therin lies the huge problem many people see.

The only scenario that I can see is a political deal. Happy to be put right if there are other options.

As an aside, very, very few countries allow parts of the state to seceed. Obvious European examples where it is illegal include Germany and Spain. This is an article that discusses the countries that do (not many).https://www.nationalia.info/new/10936/ten-countries-that-grant-the-right-to-independence-to-some-of-their-territories-and-france

But the idea that it's undemocratic not to allow secession won't get much traction with other countries.

[Callum_62]

The only scenario that I can see is a political deal. Happy to be put right if there are other options.

As an aside, very, very few countries allow parts of the state to seceed. Obvious European examples where it is illegal include Germany and Spain. This is an article that discusses the countries that do (not many).https://www.nationalia.info/new/10936/ten-countries-that-grant-the-right-to-independence-to-some-of-their-territories-and-france

But the idea that it's undemocratic not to allow secession won't get much traction with other countries.

If your last comment is true and there's no route out in which any country within the union can decide themselves, why do unionist parties tie themselves in knots when asked what the route out is?

Why don't they just say there is none and no one should have an issue with that

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[archie]

If your last comment is true and there's no route out in which any country within the union can decide themselves, why do unionist parties tie themselves in knots when asked what the route out is?

Why don't they just say there is none and no one should have an issue with that

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I think there's two different issues here. The legal route to leave the UK requires a political agreement. This has been given before and could be given again. There is a route, but it isn't controlled by the Scottish Parliament. I suspect you would want the Scottish Parliament to have the power to initiate separation. But as far as I can see they don't have that power.

[weecounty hibby]

So joining the union was voluntary (as you rightly say in so far as where power resided at that time). But there isn't an exit clause that either party can exercise.
If England wanted to end the union do you think fir a second that they would ask Holyrood or even the people of Scotland? Or do you think, most likely I would suggest, that they would just do it

[archie]

If England wanted to end the union do you think fir a second that they would ask Holyrood or even the people of Scotland? Or do you think, most likely I would suggest, that they would just do it
Do you think this is likely? The issue I would see with it is that it wouldn't be England deciding on independence, but rather voting to expel Scotland, Wales and NI from the UK. Or maybe the rUK would be Scotland, Wales and NI. It wouldn't be straightforward. Should the whole UK get a vote? I think it's pretty fanciful TBH.

[Ozyhibby]

Do you think this is likely? The issue I would see with it is that it wouldn't be England deciding on independence, but rather voting to expel Scotland, Wales and NI from the UK. Or maybe the rUK would be Scotland, Wales and NI. It wouldn't be straightforward. Should the whole UK get a vote? I think it's pretty fanciful TBH.

A perfect description of an unequal union.[emoji122]


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[weecounty hibby]

Do you think this is likely? The issue I would see with it is that it wouldn't be England deciding on independence, but rather voting to expel Scotland, Wales and NI from the UK. Or maybe the rUK would be Scotland, Wales and NI. It wouldn't be straightforward. Should the whole UK get a vote? I think it's pretty fanciful TBH.
Reread what you've said there and then think about what it actually says. England has complete power over the rest of the nations. Union of equals, lead dont leave etcetera. Total and utter waffle

[Steven79]

If England wanted to end the union do you think fir a second that they would ask Holyrood or even the people of Scotland? Or do you think, most likely I would suggest, that they would just do itEngland would just vote at Westminster and it would be tough on the rest of us.

Would sum up the UK for what it truly is.

An English construct to keep the other countries prisoner.

Wales never entered a 'Union" but were conquered by England and the same goes for Ireland.

Not only that but why were they fine with a vote in 2014 when they were sure of a win but now that they fear defeat they are dead against it.

Funny that!

Again I say if it's not a "union" why do they in favour of it call themselves "Unionists"

Why do Scotland, Wales & N Ireland have a secretary of state when England doesn't?

This was never a "union" of 4 countries but all about English dominice over the other countries.

If Scotland had nothing to offer them they would dump us without a second thought...

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[Steven79]

A perfect description of an unequal union.[emoji122]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPretty much.

These are the kind of arguments our side should be throwing in their face.

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[xyz23jc]

Reread what you've said there and then think about what it actually says. England has complete power over the rest of the nations. Union of equals, lead dont leave etcetera. Total and utter waffle

Or, 'Utter Pish' as oor Mhairi wid probs say! LOL! :agree::thumbsup::greengrin

[J-C]

Do you think this is likely? The issue I would see with it is that it wouldn't be England deciding on independence, but rather voting to expel Scotland, Wales and NI from the UK. Or maybe the rUK would be Scotland, Wales and NI. It wouldn't be straightforward. Should the whole UK get a vote? I think it's pretty fanciful TBH.


Why would they expel countries from a so called union of equals? if this is the case, then all it means is that England are acting as the senior partner and what it says goes.

[Moulin Yarns]

If someone came in who appeared to be from the Indian Sub continent would you ask them what country they came from?

I would ask if they had an accent, not their appearance! Don't try to make this a racist argument!!!!


I've had customers from all over, Europe to the americas and the the antipodes. If they aren't from our small part of the world then I ask them to put a pin on my map. Unfortunately yesterday's customer was from High Wycombe, so didn't qualify 😂

[xyz23jc]

Why would they expel countries from a so called union of equals? if this is the case, then all it means is that England are acting as the senior partner and what it says goes.

Mibbe time for, Nah! Nae daein' it! What then? :wink:

[Steven79]

Why would they expel countries from a so called union of equals? if this is the case, then all it means is that England are acting as the senior partner and what it says goes.Hasn't that always been the case?

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[archie]

Why would they expel countries from a so called union of equals? if this is the case, then all it means is that England are acting as the senior partner and what it says goes.

You note I say it's pretty fanciful.

[Just Alf]

You note I say it's pretty fanciful.Fanciful that it would happen?

Or Fanciful that if it did, that's how it would work?

[archie]

Reread what you've said there and then think about what it actually says. England has complete power over the rest of the nations. Union of equals, lead dont leave etcetera. Total and utter waffle

Bit hyperbolic?

[archie]

Fanciful that it would happen?

Or Fanciful that if it did, that's how it would work?

Fanciful it would happen. Any thoughts on how it would word were speculative.

[archie]

I would ask if they had an accent, not their appearance! Don't try to make this a racist argument!!!!


I've had customers from all over, Europe to the americas and the the antipodes. If they aren't from our small part of the world then I ask them to put a pin on my map. Unfortunately yesterday's customer was from High Wycombe, so didn't qualify 😂

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63822940

[archie]

England would just vote at Westminster and it would be tough on the rest of us.

Would sum up the UK for what it truly is.

An English construct to keep the other countries prisoner.

Wales never entered a 'Union" but were conquered by England and the same goes for Ireland.

Not only that but why were they fine with a vote in 2014 when they were sure of a win but now that they fear defeat they are dead against it.

Funny that!

Again I say if it's not a "union" why do they in favour of it call themselves "Unionists"

Why do Scotland, Wales & N Ireland have a secretary of state when England doesn't?

This was never a "union" of 4 countries but all about English dominice over the other countries.

If Scotland had nothing to offer them they would dump us without a second thought...

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Wow! There's a secretary of state for Scotland, Wales and NI to ensure Scottish, Welsh and Irish interests are represented in Cabinet.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63822940

What the actual **** has that got to do with asking customers to place a pin on my map????

You really need to take a break and look at yourself!!!

[archie]

Pretty much.

These are the kind of arguments our side should be throwing in their face.

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Why? I'm no spokesperson for anyone. No one is making the argument for England seceding. Why would you want to 'throw arguments in someone's face'?

[Since90+2]

Wow! There's a secretary of state for Scotland, Wales and NI to ensure Scottish, Welsh and Irish interests are represented in Cabinet.

I wonder why that would be, and why England don't need that same representation.

[archie]

I wonder why that would be, and why England don't need that same representation.

Are you seriously posing that question?

[Steven79]

Are you seriously posing that question?Come on think about it...

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[archie]

Come on think about it...

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OK. It's because Scotland, Wales and NI have devolved administrations. Also some UKG functions operate across UK and GB. Prior to devolution there were Westminster ministers who would lead on Scottish issues. This gave them cabinet representation. With devolution responsibility for devolved issues passed to Holyrood. But because there are some UKG andGB functions we need the role.

[Steven79]

OK. It's because Scotland, Wales and NI have devolved administrations. Also some UKG functions operate across UK and GB. Prior to devolution there were Westminster ministers who would lead on Scottish issues. This gave them cabinet representation. With devolution responsibility for devolved issues passed to Holyrood. But because there are some UKG andGB functions we need the role.The position was created in 1707 after the acts of the "Union" long before devolution come along.

Why was this position created for Scotland and not England?

Oh and strangley enough it as abolished in 1745 after the Jacobite rising thereafter Scottish affairs were managed by the Lord Advocate until 1827.

In 1885 the position of secretary of state was re-created.

Sounds like a post that works for London's interests in Scotland making Scotland pretty much a colony...

How else can you interept what I've just said?

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[archie]

The position was created in 1707 after the acts of the "Union" long before devolution come along.

Why was this position created for Scotland and not England?

Oh and strangley enough it as abolished in 1745 after the Jacobite rising thereafter Scottish affairs were managed by the Lord Advocate until 1827.

In 1885 the position of secretary of state was re-created.

Sounds like a post that works for London's interests in Scotland making Scotland pretty much a colony...

How else can you interept what I've just said?

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I answered about why the post existed now and also pre-devolution. There's lots of ways to interpret what you said.
You might find this from Tom Nairn, a left leaning nationalist interesting:

“Scotland is not a colony, a semi-colony, a pseudo-colony, a near colony, a neo-colony, or any kind of colony of the English. She is a junior but highly successful partner in the general business enterprise of Anglo-Scots imperialism ..." Tom Nairn, 1968

[Steven79]

I answered about why the post existed now and also pre-devolution. There's lots of ways to interpret what you said.
You might find this from Tom Nairn, a left leaning nationalist interesting:

“Scotland is not a colony, a semi-colony, a pseudo-colony, a near colony, a neo-colony, or any kind of colony of the English. She is a junior but highly successful partner in the general business enterprise of Anglo-Scots imperialism ..." Tom Nairn, 1968You are in denial or just refuse to see what's directly in front of you.



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[archie]

You are in denial or just refuse to see what's directly in front of you.



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You might find this illuminating

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/nana.12925

[Stairway 2 7]

We should have a twice a year, week long discussion about whether Scotland is a country or part of a country. It'll be pointless, make no difference and no one will change their view, regardless of well researched discussion. Upside is it can maybe clear up the rest of the year

[Ozyhibby]

We should have a twice a year, week long discussion about whether Scotland is a country or part of a country. It'll be pointless, make no difference and no one will change their view, regardless of well researched discussion. Upside is it can maybe clear up the rest of the year

To be fair, there seemed to be a fair bit of agreement yesterday that Scotland could not leave the union without permission from down south. The disagreement seemed to be whether that was a good thing or not.


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[Stairway 2 7]

To be fair, there seemed to be a fair bit of agreement yesterday that Scotland could not leave the union without permission from down south. The disagreement seemed to be whether that was a good thing or not.


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Couldn't tell you as I had to quickly scroll through about 3 pages of groundhog day chat.

[archie]

We should have a twice a year, week long discussion about whether Scotland is a country or part of a country. It'll be pointless, make no difference and no one will change their view, regardless of well researched discussion. Upside is it can maybe clear up the rest of the year

Gotta fill the close season somehow!

[cabbageandribs1875]

i like this woman even more now Caroline Lucas says England must catch up on independence debate | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23620446.caroline-lucas-says-england-must-catch-independence-debate/?ref=eb&nid=1948&u=8c7cbcbaa1741d7cbc339fe13eff0274&date=280623) i'd far rather listen to her than any 'scottish' unionist that thinks it's acceptable our country is ruled by another :agree:

[Mibbes Aye]

i like this woman even more now Caroline Lucas says England must catch up on independence debate | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23620446.caroline-lucas-says-england-must-catch-independence-debate/?ref=eb&nid=1948&u=8c7cbcbaa1741d7cbc339fe13eff0274&date=280623) i'd far rather listen to her than any 'scottish' unionist that thinks it's acceptable our country is ruled by another :agree:

i think you've missed the point - I think unionists believe their country is ruled by their country :greengrin

[Jack]

i think you've missed the point - I think unionists believe their country is ruled by their country :greengrin

It's more becoming the case that Scotland is being overruled by their country!

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.edbookfest.co.uk/the-festival/whats-on/kezia-dugdale-lesley-riddoch-once-upon-a-time-in-holyrood?_s=clp

I've got tickets for this event at the Edinburgh Book Festival. Should be good.

[Mibbes Aye]

It's more becoming the case that Scotland is being overruled by their country!

I think both sides just need to sit down and let Woody Guthrie explain it 😀

[Rumble de Thump]

https://www.edbookfest.co.uk/the-festival/whats-on/kezia-dugdale-lesley-riddoch-once-upon-a-time-in-holyrood?_s=clp

I've got tickets for this event at the Edinburgh Book Festival. Should be good.

I would pay good money to not have to listen to Kezia Dugdale.

[Ozyhibby]

I would pay good money to not have to listen to Kezia Dugdale.

Like most people who move on from public office, she is actually a better listen to these days freed from constraints of party politics and the need to please the interests of narrow groups.


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[Smartie]

I really liked Kezia Dugdale.

Probably (narrowly) disagreed with her on independence but I broadly thought she was a good egg whose policies were largely in the right place.

[Moulin Yarns]

Like most people who move on from public office, she is actually a better listen to these days freed from constraints of party politics and the need to please the interests of narrow groups.


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I might pose her a question.

Would you rather see Scotland become an independent country or hearts win the league. 😉

[Mibbes Aye]

https://www.edbookfest.co.uk/the-festival/whats-on/kezia-dugdale-lesley-riddoch-once-upon-a-time-in-holyrood?_s=clp

I've got tickets for this event at the Edinburgh Book Festival. Should be good.

Chris Bryant appearing as well. He is quite the master of pointing out how the Tories have debased this country and had a great question at PMQs yesterday.

I’m not able to be in Edinburgh for his appearance. I understand tickets were moving fast for him though.

[grunt]

I really liked Kezia Dugdale.
I quite liked Kezia Dugdale. But I think she was too inexperienced for the role she was landed with, and she got shafted by the Labour hierarchy who didn't seem to give her any support.

[Ozyhibby]

I quite liked Kezia Dugdale. But I think she was too inexperienced for the role she was landed with, and she got shafted by the Labour hierarchy who didn't seem to give her any support.

She was only there two years I think and had 5 elections. Not really time to do any policy work or put any kind of personal stamp on the party. And with Labour, you are not really the boss anyway.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-66066448?at_medium=social&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_type=web_link&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_format=link&at_link_id=AF827630-18B5-11EE-B45F-49A55B3BE886&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_origin=BBCScotlandNews


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[marinello59]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-66066448?at_medium=social&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_type=web_link&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_format=link&at_link_id=AF827630-18B5-11EE-B45F-49A55B3BE886&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_origin=BBCScotlandNews


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I love the Orcadians, no time for either Government. Then again they will tell you they are Vikings, not Scots. :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

four years old but always worth revisiting



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[WeeRussell]

Happy Independence Day. Hope all our stateside posters enjoy celebrating something no country ever regrets 👍

[Ozyhibby]

Happy Independence Day. Hope all our stateside posters enjoy celebrating something no country ever regrets [emoji106]

Pffft…they’ll be back.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

what an excellent piece :agree: especially the bit where he mentions self hatred, said it time and again it's just utterly surreal a Scot wanting controlled by the the Government of another country, citizens in so many countries have spilled blood and given their lives to escape their colonisers



Dr. Alf Baird, Scottish National Congress Statement - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL0R5Myr_CM)

[archie]

four years old but always worth revisiting



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Not actually what he said https://www.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN1TK324

[Stairway 2 7]

Happy Independence Day. Hope all our stateside posters enjoy celebrating something no country ever regrets 👍

Bad example. US were the trying to get freedom to colonise, undoubtedly the bad guys in the war of independence

The Somerset judgment in London p'd them off. Uk was pushing the end of slavery and they didn't like it. But unlike the version they peddle freedom and tea taxes, the biggest reason for the war was the Crowns treaties with the native Americans. The king forbidden them from expanding past the Appellations. Lots of the declaration of independence goes on about the freedom to expand. It doesn't mention Washington and Jefferson had huge financial interests in expansion

[Jack]

Bad example. US were the trying to get freedom to colonise, undoubtedly the bad guys in the war of independence

The Somerset judgment in London p'd them off. Uk was pushing the end of slavery and they didn't like it. But unlike the version they peddle freedom and tea taxes, the biggest reason for the war was the Crowns treaties with the native Americans. The king forbidden them from expanding past the Appellations. Lots of the declaration of independence goes on about the freedom to expand. It doesn't mention Washington and Jefferson had huge financial interests in expansion

It perhaps doesn't look good using today's values, however back in the day perfectly normal.

The bottom line is they became masters of their own destiny, free from the rule of London.

[Jack]

Not actually what he said https://www.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN1TK324

Does your database extend to providing the whole speech? Your link neither proves or disproves the "quote".

[archie]

Does your database extend to providing the whole speech? Your link neither proves or disproves the "quote".

It's the Reuters piece that is the basis for the meme. You'll notice that the meme is structured in a way to mix a quote and text that isn’t a quote.

[Jack]

It's the Reuters piece that is the basis for the meme. You'll notice that the meme is structured in a way to mix a quote and text that isn’t a quote.

So he might have said it elsewhere in his speech?

[archie]

So he might have said it elsewhere in his speech?

You would have to ask the question why is it not in quotes? It's pretty common in memes. Take part of a quote and mix it with an interpretation.

[WeeRussell]

Bad example. US were the trying to get freedom to colonise, undoubtedly the bad guys in the war of independence

The Somerset judgment in London p'd them off. Uk was pushing the end of slavery and they didn't like it. But unlike the version they peddle freedom and tea taxes, the biggest reason for the war was the Crowns treaties with the native Americans. The king forbidden them from expanding past the Appellations. Lots of the declaration of independence goes on about the freedom to expand. It doesn't mention Washington and Jefferson had huge financial interests in expansion

I may not have been being 100% serious in my link.

However it’s not really a bad example at all, regardless of your opinions and history lessons, unless you think the US or anyone else regret their independence from British rule… as that’s the only point I made.

That and hoping our US posters enjoy getting pished for it of course.

[Stairway 2 7]

I may not have been being 100% serious in my link.

However it’s not really a bad example at all, regardless of your opinions and history lessons, unless you think the US or anyone else regret their independence from British rule… as that’s the only point I made.

That and hoping our US posters enjoy getting pished for it of course.

I wasn't being that serious either. But of the dozens of examples of countries that enjoyed deserved freedom from tyrannical rule of the UK. The US wanted the freedom to tyrannicaly rule others. We can't just look at it through today's eyes either as said above because it gave them freedom of genocide and they wiped out all of the native people in the land they expanded to.

I wouldn't celebrate Scotlands freedom if they were free to become like the US. But we won't I'm sure we'll become more left wing and prise social justice more than Westminster, so I'll celebrate independence

[WeeRussell]

I wasn't being that serious either. But of the dozens of examples of countries that enjoyed deserved freedom from tyrannical rule of the UK. The US wanted the freedom to tyrannicaly rule others. We can't just look at it through today's eyes either as said above because it gave them freedom of genocide and they wiped out all of the native people in the land they expanded to.

I wouldn't celebrate Scotlands freedom if they were free to become like the US. But we won't I'm sure we'll become more left wing and prise social justice more than Westminster, so I'll celebrate independence

It wasn’t Independence Day yesterday for dozens of other countries though 👍

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-government-independence-spending-to-be-investigated-by-uk-officials

Even campaigning for independence will soon be illegal.


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[archie]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-government-independence-spending-to-be-investigated-by-uk-officials

Even campaigning for independence will soon be illegal.


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Where?

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-government-independence-spending-to-be-investigated-by-uk-officials

Even campaigning for independence will soon be illegal.


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So, if I read that right, independence for Scotland is a reserved matter to Westminster. I think that settles any argument about the legal method to get independence.


Officials in the Treasury and the Office of the Advocate General of Scotland will look into cash spent working on Scottish independence – an area reserved to Westminster.

[Jack]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-government-independence-spending-to-be-investigated-by-uk-officials

Even campaigning for independence will soon be illegal.


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If they win this it could mean that its 'illegal' for 2 Scottish Government employees (employed anywhere in the office) to discuss Scottish independence round the water cooler for example.

[Mibbes Aye]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-government-independence-spending-to-be-investigated-by-uk-officials

Even campaigning for independence will soon be illegal.


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Let’s hope not.

But I don’t know, let’s hope misuse of public funds remains a no-no.

Especially if it is indulging a hobbyhorse issue that goes against the sovereign will of the people, that sort of thing.

[archie]

If they win this it could mean that its 'illegal' for 2 Scottish Government employees (employed anywhere in the office) to discuss Scottish independence round the water cooler for example.

How?

[Mibbes Aye]

If they win this it could mean that its 'illegal' for 2 Scottish Government employees (employed anywhere in the office) to discuss Scottish independence round the water cooler for example.

Win what? It is an investigation, that sounds more akin to an audit. And who are ‘they’? Taxpayers like me?

I don’t think we will be seeing demos or petitions to free the Water Cooler Two any time, do you?

[Ozyhibby]

It’s a good idea from the unionists. It will allow them to shout even louder about there having been no work done to prepare for Indy.


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[Mibbes Aye]

It’s a good idea from the unionists. It will allow them to shout even louder about there having been no work done to prepare for Indy.


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Why should the work be done on the taxpayer’s dime though?

Given we voted “No thanks”.

[Ozyhibby]

Why should the work be done on the taxpayer’s dime though?

Why should any investigative work be done on the tax payers dime?
So if Labour want to know if there is any benefit to rejoining the SM after the next election and want to commission a study, it should come out of party funds? You’d have to close half of Whitehall if that was the case.
Deep down you know this is wrong. Aggressive unionism will backfire in the long run imo.


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[Jack]

How?

Scottish Government employees, in government premises, in government time discussing independence. The employees are getting paid, using premises rented from UK government. That would be costing the government while they're discussing a matter the Scottish Government could have no right to be discussing.

[archie]

So, if I read that right, independence for Scotland is a reserved matter to Westminster. I think that settles any argument about the legal method to get independence.


Officials in the Treasury and the Office of the Advocate General of Scotland will look into cash spent working on Scottish independence – an area reserved to Westminster.

I think the Supreme Court settled that.

[archie]

Scottish Government employees, in government premises, in government time discussing independence. The employees are getting paid, using premises rented from UK government. That would be costing the government while they're discussing a matter the Scottish Government could have no right to be discussing.

According to the report you posted a) it's not clear that such an investigation is happening and b) it's about ultra vires expenditure. I can't see how water cooler talk would be caught by this.

[Jack]

According to the report you posted a) it's not clear that such an investigation is happening and b) it's about ultra vires expenditure. I can't see how water cooler talk would be caught by this.

I'll grant you an extreme example however I'd suggest the nasty party are becoming extremists in attacking anything their fold lap up.

[Mibbes Aye]

Why should any investigative work be done on the tax payers dime?
So if Labour want to know if there is any benefit to rejoining the SM after the next election and want to commission a study, it should come out of party funds? You’d have to close half of Whitehall if that was the case.
Deep down you know this is wrong. Aggressive unionism will backfire in the long run imo.


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Deep down I know that if Labour is in power for the UK, then yes, it may commission a study on whether to apply to the SM, based on the fact that it may prepare legislation to deliver this outcome, whether that be by referendum or whatever.

But you keep telling me that the SNP Scottish Government doesnt have the powers to deliver independence legislation. So why is it wasting my money on this - if that is what it is doing, of course. It's pretendy playhouse stuff that is taking money from elsewhere.

And why scrap a minister for social security (where it does have powers) and create a minister for independence (where you keep telling me it is denied powers)? Is the day job, the proper job, just an annoying distraction for the SNP? You would be excused for thinking so, given the failures in childcare reform, its numerous aborted reform programmes in health and all the other failures it wants to sweep under the carpet.

This isn't aggressive and I dispute it is even unionist. It is about our tax money being used to further an ideological minority interest. That's not really on.

[Moulin Yarns]

I think the Supreme Court settled that.

So what is required for Scotland to become independent?

Not allowed to talk about it!

Not allowed a vote to decide?

[cabbageandribs1875]

never ever listen to the scaremongering by the Britnats, never :giruy2: :) although i do believe the positive economic arguements on here for the last several years has proven it was a no-brainer

Would an independent Scotland leaving the UK currency union be disruptive?

Let's look at the analysis and views of leading economic experts...

Research from Professor Andrew Rose, an expert on international trade patterns and exchange rate determinations, concluded that most countries that leave currency unions are more often larger, richer, and more democratic compared to their counterparts.

His research also concluded that around the time a country leaves a currency union there is very little macroeconomic volatility before, during, or afterwards.

You can find his research here:Microsoft Word - Exit Dec 15.doc (berkeley.edu) (https://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/arose/exit.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0p6g2e1SH2vTuX5-GG2FMo7gHdr_zoIy1G-TZmpsEPj1MY72WN9mIRiOM)


Dr Stuart Mackintosh, Executive Director of the international financial think tank Group of Thirty, concluded that an independent Scotland could manage its own affairs, further stating that a Scottish central bank could be "dynamic, forward-looking and effective."
Independence: The smart way to a new Scots currency, by Stuart Mackintosh | HeraldScotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20115984.independence-smart-way-new-scots-currency-stuart-mackintosh/?fbclid=IwAR0X10iKODC_uUHy07swiIPzNE6z0KfgWAAF9L9k 4FvPpcyN0zTdwrGxgGo)


Dr Alberto Paloni, an economic expert in finance, banking, financial reforms, and the real economy at the Adam Smith Business School, reached similar conclusions and that an independent Scotland could implement a new currency and central bank "rapidly".


Jon Helgi Egilsson, chairman of Monerium and former chairman of the supervisory board of the Icelandic Central Bank, argues independence would "transform the financial landscape, improve banking, and reshape the future of finance without the constraints of the current system."You can read his article here: An independent Scotland could be a leader in global finance | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/23582014.independent-scotland-leader-global-finance/?fbclid=IwAR0cv1pva5Ao-MRPwDS1PU_UHI50r-6x0Z5QpuQcVdXa3iZ_FXH6BVWdhRg)

[Ozyhibby]

Why should the work be done on the taxpayer’s dime though?

Given we voted “No thanks”.

Turns out Foulkes was talking ****. If only we had some indication of this from his previous behaviour.[emoji23]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-government-independence-spending-not-being-probed-by-uk


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[archie]

So what is required for Scotland to become independent?

Not allowed to talk about it!

Not allowed a vote to decide?

I think you need to read the STV article. It's not clear that there will be an investigation and it only concerns ultra vires expenditure. We are, of course, allowed to talk about it.

[Mibbes Aye]

Turns out Foulkes was talking ****. If only we had some indication of this from his previous behaviour.[emoji23]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-government-independence-spending-not-being-probed-by-uk


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Who knows what;s going on there.

It still doesn't answer the question of why the taxpayer should pick up the cost for a 'Minister for Independence' though.

[Ozyhibby]

Who knows what;s going on there.

It still doesn't answer the question of why the taxpayer should pick up the cost for a 'Minister for Independence' though.

The Scottish Parliament voted for it. Unelected Labour lords probably struggle with the concept.


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[Mibbes Aye]

The Scottish Parliament voted for it. Unelected Labour lords probably struggle with the concept.


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So it's okay to take money away from social security to spend on 'independence'? And you wonder why the polls are closing?

[McSwanky]

So it's okay to take money away from social security to spend on 'independence'? And you wonder why the polls are closing?If this is indeed the case, then isn't this them just saying nothing can be properly fixed until Scotland is an independent nation? Playing the long game if you will.

Obviously not the most popular policy votes wise, but at least they are staying true to their principles.

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[Ozyhibby]

So it's okay to take money away from social security to spend on 'independence'? And you wonder why the polls are closing?

We spend more on social security than they do at Westminster. What are they taking money out for?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/economyinformal/status/1677034026748485633?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

A lot of the countries near the top seem to be near us?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1678738884652412930?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Another myth busted.


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[Jones28]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCwrbv-_PNo

I wouldn't normally pay much attention to someone like this, can anyone shed any light on some of the points he's making?

One of them was quite stark, he said life in Scotland post Independence would make it very hard to persuade young, educated people to stay in Scotland due to a ruined economy, but he doesn't seem to take in to account that people don't always think with their bank accounts in mind.

I also don't think he's that well informed about the Euro/EU joining, but again I'd need some clarity.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCwrbv-_PNo

I wouldn't normally pay much attention to someone like this, can anyone shed any light on some of the points he's making?

One of them was quite stark, he said life in Scotland post Independence would make it very hard to persuade young, educated people to stay in Scotland due to a ruined economy, but he doesn't seem to take in to account that people don't always think with their bank accounts in mind.

I also don't think he's that well informed about the Euro/EU joining, but again I'd need some clarity.

Haven’t watched this but he talks a lot of mince on most other subjects so I’ll probably give it a miss.


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[Jones28]

Haven’t watched this but he talks a lot of mince on most other subjects so I’ll probably give it a miss.


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You’re a good poster Ozy, you could dismantle that and add to the debate.

Only if you have nothing better to do obviously 😜

The reason I say this is that you could educate people on the subject and help them enlighten others.

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh no
oh no
what will we do :panic::panic::panic:

but would they need to ask for a s30 from their closest colonies :shocked: Peter Rae on Twitter: "Bring it on. I would genuinely celebrate England’s independence. Long overdue, and it would make such a difference to Scotland’s economic future. The Britfash establishment are soon going to be fighting a propaganda war internally, and on three fronts. ������ https://t.co/eO3OaB674C" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/Prae54Rae/status/1678092226348425220?t=CbWNd2qbzgHzRjk_D4_WxQ&s=19&fbclid=IwAR3ks6N3HhkV3bdveUzuVfBCxR1NpBIBfc5LUuidW sWvzepEVyUe8aoGtvM)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0nH_FAXgAQyttC?format=jpg&name=large

[Kato]

So 50% of people in Scotland want it and 50% of people in England want it that adds up to 100%. Game over.

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[Rumble de Thump]

I know a lot of people in England who would like to escape the clutches of Westminster.

[xyz23jc]

So 50% of people in Scotland want it and 50% of people in England want it that adds up to 100%. Game over.

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If only mate, one can but Dream.... Fingers crossed! :wink::thumbsup::greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/network-rail-scotland-worst-in-the-uk-after-falling-behind-on-planned-rail-works-orr-report-finds

Wonder why the UK govt does this?


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[cabbageandribs1875]

and British unionists in Scotland want us to stay attached to Westminster.... fools, the lot of them :agree:

National debt could hit 300% of GDP by 2070s after 'rapid succession of shocks' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/national-debt-could-hit-300-of-gdp-by-2070s-after-rapid-succession-of-shocks/ar-AA1dNRvh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ce266fd7cf2440188f8052abd15dc4db&ei=27)

[Bristolhibby]

Why should the work be done on the taxpayer’s dime though?

Given we voted “No thanks”.

Half of Scotland voted no. Cut the budget by half.

Still means there will be some activity paid for the taxpayers dime.

Anyway the pro Indy parties have a majority and they can decide how the budget is spent. Don’t like it, vote them out.

J

[Jack]

Half of Scotland voted no. Cut the budget by half.

Still means there will be some activity paid for the taxpayers dime.

Anyway the pro Indy parties have a majority and they can decide how the budget is spent. Don’t like it, vote them out.

J

I'm sure the Coke of the North* (Gove) set up a Department of Unionists** at Westminster. Who's looking into that?

* That might not have been the actual title given to him by any one of a number of random Westminster prime ministers over the last few years.

** He might have called it something else.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/stephenflynnsnp/status/1679552274513776640?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Beginning to like Flynn.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/henninghampress/status/1679441618221387776?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

This thread is a really interesting read and shows the benefits of Scotland going back to the EU.


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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/henninghampress/status/1679441618221387776?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

This thread is a really interesting read and shows the benefits of Scotland going back to the EU.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkInteresting subject matter and this post is a bit of an side track. By the 1920s a third of all books printed in the world were printed and published in Edinburgh. Paper Mills were stantioned up and down the Water of Leith and a literate working class along with the huge amount of book binders in town made us a world hub. 100 years on there is next to nothing.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Interesting subject matter and this post is a bit of an side track. By the 1920s a third of all books printed in the world were printed and published in Edinburgh. Paper Mills were stantioned up and down the Water of Leith and a literate working class along with the huge amount of book binders in town made us a world hub. 100 years on there is next to nothing.

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I think edinburgh still punches above it's weight when it comes to publishing. There are 11 different major book publishing houses in Edinburgh. Not sure how many are still printed in the city though.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1679848274268762112?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Good that people see where we can have more control.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1679845777680613376?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1679845777680613376?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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Only 35% for straight independence. I think devo max would pass but no-one seems interested

[Just Alf]

Only 35% for straight independence. I think devo max would pass but no-one seems interestedA properly presented Devo Max with safeguarding in place to prevent Westminster clawing back powers would be a powerful tool in blunting many peoples drive for independence

[JeMeSouviens]

A properly presented Devo Max with safeguarding in place to prevent Westminster clawing back powers would be a powerful tool in blunting many peoples drive for independence

Needs a properly reformed UK. Possible but vanishingly unlikely in our lifetimes.

[Ozyhibby]

Only 35% for straight independence. I think devo max would pass but no-one seems interested

Probably about right. Proper devolution would likely be very popular, however nobody is offering it. Most popular option on offer is independence.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1679843243855413248?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

It’s quite an interesting set of polls. Heartening for supporters of independence.
It should also be heartening for Labour as it shows them where they need to be to win back voters in Scotland.
Right now, they are offering the status quo and that only has 14% support. Even the Tory offer of moving powers back to Westminster has more support than that. If Labour got it’s act together then there are lots of voters to aim for.


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[Kato]

I think edinburgh still punches above it's weight when it comes to publishing. There are 11 different major book publishing houses in Edinburgh. Not sure how many are still printed in the city though.I doubt any are printed. I suppose the remaining publishers are legacy of branding. The "doing of" has been outsourced.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bluesbrothers86/status/1679220684365664256?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Promoting the union overseas.[emoji6]


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/bluesbrothers86/status/1679220684365664256?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Promoting the union overseas.[emoji6]


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Why do all so called supremacists groups seem to consist of underachieving hoof*anking bungle*****?

[WeeRussell]

https://twitter.com/bluesbrothers86/status/1679220684365664256?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Promoting the union overseas.[emoji6]


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Absolute state of that.

[Kato]

Absolute state of that.They are "the people".

Biggest catholic haters, biggest Great Britain lovers and staunchiest supporters of the monarchy.

They are what makes this country what it is today.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/23658861.independence-isnt-going-away---problem-labour/

An article worth reading for both sides of the constitutional debate.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

always enjoyed listening to her Philippa Whitford to step down as Ayrshire MP at next election | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23660334.philippa-whitford-step-ayrshire-mp-next-election/?fbclid=IwAR0UdjwrMIdFC477KY0jclaE3Yc6FyPoXU0TgZWw lQvGi4OS4_iY3iDSJnA)

The 64-year-old has served in the Commons (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/westminster/) since 2015 and said she looked forward to spending more time with her husband Hans and away from the “challenging” and “negative atmosphere” in Westminster.

Taking aim at former prime minister Boris Johnson’s “toxic legacy” and his “contempt” for Scotland, the MP echoed complaints made by the party’s deputy Westminster leader Mhairi Black (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/mhairi-black/), who hit out at the “poisonous” culture in the London parliament when she announced she would quit as an MP next year (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23632562.mhairi-black-quit-snp-mp-next-general-election/).

Whitford said: “Working as an MP at Westminster has changed over the last eight years, especially after Boris Johnson became prime minister and aggression and contempt towards SNP MPs, and indeed Scotland, became the norm.

“While he has gone, his toxic legacy remains and only time will tell if this changes after the next election.


i've often thought SNP MP's deserve a lot more respect at that place, listening to Tories sneers and ersey comments and the utter contempt they show i would have been over giving a few of them a right damn good bloody nose :agree: :)

[lapsedhibee]

i've often thought SNP MP's deserve a lot more respect at that place, listening to Tories sneers and ersey comments and the utter contempt they show i would have been over giving a few of them a right damn good bloody nose :agree: :)

No. You can't do that. If you do, the speaker will suggest that you might like to go and have a cup of tea. He won't make you go, he'll just suggest it as a potential idea. That's how strict they are down there.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230719/d3f437d2497e9b657ae44ff6a950f1c7.jpg

Can’t blame people of the Orkney Islands. Good luck to them.


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[Steven79]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230719/d3f437d2497e9b657ae44ff6a950f1c7.jpg

Can’t blame people of the Orkney Islands. Good luck to them.


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Can Scotland join Norway as well?

[lapsedhibee]

Can Scotland join Norway as well?

We should have a referendum on becoming part of Orkney. To keep everything simple.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/23668353.week-quite-advert-fiscal-autonomy/

Ignoring the Tory jibes in here, the central point about fiscal autonomy is one I totally believe in. If Scottish politics is to move forward then the Tories and Labour have to start moving in this direction.


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[grunt]

Nuclear submarines too much of a risk to be based at Devonport

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1mI6OFWYAI4UD-?format=jpg&name=medium

[cabbageandribs1875]

aye RIGHT, England would go bankrupt if they couldn't keep up the theft of resources from their two closest colonies, they would still remain the worlds money laundering capital though

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1s4ZabXwAAAb2A?format=jpg&name=900x900



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1s6mnTWcAAgUh6?format=jpg&name=medium

[xyz23jc]

https://twitter.com/bluesbrothers86/status/1679220684365664256?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Promoting the union overseas.[emoji6]


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Holy F***, as Jolly Boy J wid say...For Reeeeeeaaall :greengrin:shocked::rotflmao:

[Kato]

aye RIGHT, England would go bankrupt if they couldn't keep up the theft of resources from their two closest colonies, they would still remain the worlds money laundering capital though

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1s4ZabXwAAAb2A?format=jpg&name=900x900



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1s6mnTWcAAgUh6?format=jpg&name=mediumJust "declare" independence, easy as that.

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[Ozyhibby]

Just "declare" independence, easy as that.

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It is for them to be fair. They can do as they please.


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[Kato]

It is for them to be fair. They can do as they please.


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_that_have_gained_independence_fr om_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=A%20total%20of%2065% 20countries,Empire%20or%20the%20United%20Kingdom.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/londoneconomic/status/1683060303779491840?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

He’s not wrong.


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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

https://twitter.com/bluesbrothers86/status/1679220684365664256?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Promoting the union overseas.[emoji6]


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Phwoar beautiful people in that video [emoji7][emoji7]


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[degenerated]

Strange that this appears to have escaped the attention of just about all the media outlets

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews% 2F23674483.scottish-government-urgent-talks-change-levelling-bill%2F%3Fref%3Dtwtrec

[Ozyhibby]

Strange that this appears to have escaped the attention of just about all the media outlets

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews% 2F23674483.scottish-government-urgent-talks-change-levelling-bill%2F%3Fref%3Dtwtrec

Scots being treated as second class citizens is to be hushed up in the Scottish media. We just have to hope the people in London have our best interests at heart.


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[Jones28]

Strange that this appears to have escaped the attention of just about all the media outlets

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews% 2F23674483.scottish-government-urgent-talks-change-levelling-bill%2F%3Fref%3Dtwtrec

Something something ferries fiasco something something.

[degenerated]

Union of equals...27044

[Rumble de Thump]

It genuinely seems like the Tories want to end the Union (while blaming the SNP).

[Glory Lurker]

It genuinely seems like the Tories want to end the Union (while blaming the SNP).

I get that it could lead to the same thing, but what they want to end is devolution. There is no support for it at all in the Tory membership up here and the rest of the party dislikes the concept almost as much as those up here do.

[Kato]

I get that it could lead to the same thing, but what they want to end is devolution. There is no support for it at all in the Tory membership up here and the rest of the party dislikes the concept almost as much as those up here do.There is a smattering of Tories in Scotland who want independence - old school pro-business types; not the weirdo, culture war wreckers that brexit and russian money has spawned.

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[xyz23jc]

https://twitter.com/londoneconomic/status/1683060303779491840?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

He’s not wrong.




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Incoming Sex Scandal pending...Guaranteed..! :wink:

[xyz23jc]

Scots being treated as second class citizens is to be hushed up in the Scottish media. We just have to hope the people in London have our best interests at heart.


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Pretty sure they told us they loved us.... Once upon a time....! :greengrin

[degenerated]

Scots being treated as second class citizens is to be hushed up in the Scottish media. We just have to hope the people in London have our best interests at heart.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHere's the actual text from the legislation. 27045

[Ozyhibby]

Here's the actual text from the legislation. 27045

Union of equals.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tories-accused-outrageous-power-grab-30543241

Suppose I was a unionist, I would like to think that I would still be up in arms at such a blatantly unfair policy but we hear nothing from Scottish unionists? I really don’t understand it.

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[TrumpIsAPeado]

It genuinely seems like the Tories want to end the Union (while blaming the SNP).

They don't want to end it. They want to stamp their boots down on Scotland while making it very clear that we will never be able to leave, no matter what they do to us. They own us.

[degenerated]

They don't want to end it. They want to stamp their boots down on Scotland while making it very clear that we will never be able to leave, no matter what they do to us. They own us.They'd be mad to want the end of it, it ensures that all the levers of power are retained in England but they can completely absolve themselves of any responsibility for their actions by blaming the devolved government.

[Kato]

They'd be mad to want the end of it, it ensures that all the levers of power are retained in England but they can completely absolve themselves of any responsibility for their actions by blaming the devolved government.They just want the friction and argument. Keep people occupied with that and it's all good for their culture war.

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[Just Alf]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tories-accused-outrageous-power-grab-30543241

Suppose I was a unionist, I would like to think that I would still be up in arms at such a blatantly unfair policy but we hear nothing from Scottish unionists? I really don’t understand it.

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIf they're true to their word that they hold Westminster/Tories to account also, we'll surely see some posts either agreeing it's wrong or explaining why they agree with it.

Ignoring it and not posting until the next chance at having a pop at the Scottish Government for whatever reason means it's all just "lip service "

[Ozyhibby]

If they're true to their word that they hold Westminster/Tories to account also, we'll surely see some posts either agreeing it's wrong or explaining why they agree with it.

Ignoring it and not posting until the next chance at having a pop at the Scottish Government for whatever reason means it's all just "lip service "

And where is the Labour Party? The so called champions of devolution?


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[degenerated]

And where is the Labour Party? The so called champions of devolution?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkFile these latest changes under things that labour would like to change but can't do everything at once, Scottish labour will simultaneously support and be totaly against this.

[degenerated]

Union of equals.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkScottish labour position appears to be that it was never intended to be a union of equals.

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1684110920606445568?t=258vjcV6x26Fj2k4Ti7FzA&s=19

[Ozyhibby]

Scottish labour position appears to be that it was never intended to be a union of equals.

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1684110920606445568?t=258vjcV6x26Fj2k4Ti7FzA&s=19

Do the unionist posters on here agree with Foulkes?


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

We're not a union of equals, but the SNP are pointing it out deliberately.

[JeMeSouviens]

Scottish labour position appears to be that it was never intended to be a union of equals.

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1684110920606445568?t=258vjcV6x26Fj2k4Ti7FzA&s=19

Foulkes is quite right in one sense. The "precious union", "family of nations" guff was always just that. Where he's wrong is that the SNP is responsible for the delusion. It comes squarely from UK pols trying to pretend (when speaking to a Scottish audience) that Scotland is something other than a region within the UK state with a limited extra tier of local government.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/humzayousaf/status/1684123514142355456?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/mhairihunter/status/1683802872083783680?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[cabbageandribs1875]

excellent news £2.4million funding approved for Western Isles MRI Scanner - NHS Western Isles | Serving the Outer Hebrides of Scotland. (https://www.wihb.scot.nhs.uk/2-4million-funding-approved-for-western-isles-mri-scanner/)

NHS Western Isles is delighted to announce that the process to plan for an MRI scanning service in the Western Isles has commenced, following approval of £2.4million capital funding by the Scottish Government.
Following an application to the Scottish Government, the required funding has been approved to enable NHS Western Isles to procure and install a Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) facility in the Western Isles Hospital in Stornoway. Following procurement of an MRI scanner, installation and commissioning, it is anticipated, given the scale of work required, that the scanner will be in use as early as Autumn 2024.


good news still to be verified by the British Broadcasting Company though

[Ozyhibby]

excellent news £2.4million funding approved for Western Isles MRI Scanner - NHS Western Isles | Serving the Outer Hebrides of Scotland. (https://www.wihb.scot.nhs.uk/2-4million-funding-approved-for-western-isles-mri-scanner/)

NHS Western Isles is delighted to announce that the process to plan for an MRI scanning service in the Western Isles has commenced, following approval of £2.4million capital funding by the Scottish Government.
Following an application to the Scottish Government, the required funding has been approved to enable NHS Western Isles to procure and install a Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) facility in the Western Isles Hospital in Stornoway. Following procurement of an MRI scanner, installation and commissioning, it is anticipated, given the scale of work required, that the scanner will be in use as early as Autumn 2024.


good news still to be verified by the British Broadcasting Company though

Will be on good morning Scotland tomorrow. [emoji849][emoji23]Not.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

fantastic :agree:

that 10p for the Daily comic is still rather expensive



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F18bHHoXoAAQjxz?format=jpg&name=large

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/scotland-to-mirror-irish-citizenship-model-after-independence-says-yousaf

Citizenship in Indy Scotland to follow Irish model.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Scottish labour position appears to be that it was never intended to be a union of equals.

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1684110920606445568?t=258vjcV6x26Fj2k4Ti7FzA&s=19

Somebody on twitter helpfully documents the quotes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2ALvyAWYAYkdRr?format=jpg

[Ozyhibby]

Somebody on twitter helpfully documents the quotes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2ALvyAWYAYkdRr?format=jpg

https://twitter.com/conor_matchett/status/1684148163148668929?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Even the Scotsman has to agree.
Interesting thing about this debate is that who started it is the subject of the debate. There is nobody actually claiming it’s a union of equals these days.


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[Jack]

January 2022

Jacob Rees-Mogg said: “Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are fundamental equal parts of the United Kingdom, without which there is no United Kingdom, and our great history, our great tradition, our success as a nation has been built on this union.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/alextaylornews/status/1684519156698189825?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

2nd class citizens.


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[Glory Lurker]

What Foulkes is saying is that England is the boss*. We are too wee and should just shut up and take what's given to us. How many more in Labour agree? All the Tories surely agree. All proud Scots though.

* - where is he on Northern Ireland's partnership role? Thanks to their preferential EU deal they are in a better position than even the boss partner.

[lapsedhibee]

What Foulkes is saying is that England is the boss*. We are too wee and should just shut up and take what's given to us. How many more in Labour agree? All the Tories surely agree. All proud Scots though.

Pretty sure Lamont would agree. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBH55ZeZU4w)

[Ozyhibby]

Is there any Labour kickback about what Foulkes said?

Surely there must be factions in the Labour party? You've got Vlad Romanov's pal saying England are the big boys, but others say the UK is a unitary state, which means England doesn't exist. Do Sir Keir and the Red Wall Appeasers know this?

What's the story, UK unionists?

Been quiet from Labour supporters recently. Understandable considering where the party is going these days.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230728/8fb11e5785f6f06ea351dfea8eb45c0d.jpg

Union of equals.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

aint this a fact, eh


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2Dg3RKXYAEmLGz?format=jpg&name=medium

[cabbageandribs1875]

'have we not bought the Scots' ****

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/363302572_10162776402058998_4735548406603858412_n. jpg?_nc_cat=104&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=ktJg_nV4wzkAX_uUtlL&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfBt2dhKz0qje4x_93w_lCbSDgAgXrs00TfkW_oBTnZK tA&oe=64C95C7F

[Kato]

'have we not bought the Scots' ****

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/363302572_10162776402058998_4735548406603858412_n. jpg?_nc_cat=104&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=ktJg_nV4wzkAX_uUtlL&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfBt2dhKz0qje4x_93w_lCbSDgAgXrs00TfkW_oBTnZK tA&oe=64C95C7FThey did. Plenty bribes, positions and land deals leading up to 1707. The bill went before the Scottish Parliament again and again until enough had been bought.

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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/scotland-to-mirror-irish-citizenship-model-after-independence-says-yousaf

Citizenship in Indy Scotland to follow Irish model.


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Not too keen on that to be honest


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[Ozyhibby]

Not too keen on that to be honest


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Can you expand?


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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Can you expand?


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Fairly sure Irish citizenship extends to anyone with a grandparent from Ireland, doesn’t sit right with me that. They hand out passports like sweeties, Italy do the same.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Fairly sure Irish citizenship extends to anyone with a grandparent from Ireland, doesn’t sit right with me that. They hand out passports like sweeties, Italy do the same.


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We're an ageing shrinking nation. The more immigration the better financially it will be for everyone. We should be helping people have more children and getting as many immigrants as possible by any means.

[lapsedhibee]

Fairly sure Irish citizenship extends to anyone with a grandparent from Ireland, doesn’t sit right with me that. They hand out passports like sweeties, Italy do the same.


Pretty sure Andrew Bridgen didn't get one, and he looks like he's had plenty sweeties in his time. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ9WrGKoFJU)

[lapsedhibee]

Fairly sure Irish citizenship extends to anyone with a grandparent from Ireland, doesn’t sit right with me that. They hand out passports like sweeties, Italy do the same.


What would be the logic behind allowing someone with a Scottish parent to become a Scottish citizen, but not someone with a Scottish grandparent?

[Ozyhibby]

I personally would offer pretty generous pathways to citizenship. If you study in Scotland and then decide to stay 5 years afterwards I would make that criteria enough to apply for citizenship. I would offer it to health and social care workers willing to settle here for 5 years as well.


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[lapsedhibee]

I personally would offer pretty generous pathways to citizenship. If you study in Scotland and then decide to stay 5 years afterwards I would make that criteria enough to apply for citizenship. I would offer it to health and social care workers willing to settle here for 5 years as well.


Any system that would have allowed Joe Baker to play for Scotland fine by me.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/eleanormia/status/1685906160572862465?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

You can tell he hates having to come to Scotland.


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[Jack]

https://twitter.com/eleanormia/status/1685906160572862465?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

You can tell he hates having to come to Scotland.


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He has a point in that developing a sustainable aviation fuel must be a priority. Otherwise how will the RAF and other air forces around the world be able to fly?

I also read recently about how it is just not possible to move to electric vehicles anywhere close to the targets. We don't have the raw materials, on a global scale, assuming China and Russia would sell to us to make enough batteries, we won't have the grid capacity or enough points to charge even close to the expected number of vehicles. And all that doesn't take into account the UK government has virtually washed its hands of dealing with 20th century local authority planning regulations that are unable to cope with these 21st century problems. We even have dozens of companies putting in their own systems that are incompatible with each other!

[Ozyhibby]

He has a point in that developing a sustainable aviation fuel must be a priority. Otherwise how will the RAF and other air forces around the world be able to fly?

I also read recently about how it is just not possible to move to electric vehicles anywhere close to the targets. We don't have the raw materials, on a global scale, assuming China and Russia would sell to us to make enough batteries, we won't have the grid capacity or enough points to charge even close to the expected number of vehicles. And all that doesn't take into account the UK government has virtually washed its hands of dealing with 20th century local authority planning regulations that are unable to cope with these 21st century problems. We even have dozens of companies putting in their own systems that are incompatible with each other!

There is enough raw materials to make electric cars. This is nonsense spouted by climate deniers. And we don’t rely on China and Russia for it.
Very few people are saying we won’t use some fuel for certain things like aviation or certain vehicles.
I’m certain air forces round the world will be fine. What’s not a good use of fuel is private jets. That stuff needs taxed to extinction.


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[Jack]

There is enough raw materials to make electric cars. This is nonsense spouted by climate deniers. And we don’t rely on China and Russia for it.
Very few people are saying we won’t use some fuel for certain things like aviation or certain vehicles.
I’m certain air forces round the world will be fine. What’s not a good use of fuel is private jets. That stuff needs taxed to extinction.


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We can make cars but not enough batteries to make them move!
https://www.ft.com/content/154c53aa-5a9a-4004-abf9-2e6e5396dca4

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23689215.lessons-spain-help-unionists-break-snps-grip/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Can unionists learn from Spain? I doubt it.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Irvine Welsh on the SNP amongst other subjects

https://archive.ph/XgkCx

[Ozyhibby]

Irvine Welsh on the SNP amongst other subjects

https://archive.ph/XgkCx

There is a lot to like in that article. Especially about JK Rowling and Janey Godley. A lot I don’t agree with either. Overall though I don’t see it as a worry.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/richardlochhead/status/1686277664317857792?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

75% tax on Whisky now.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/richardlochhead/status/1686277664317857792?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

75% tax on Whisky now.


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All spirits, weren't you in favour of sin taxes

[Ozyhibby]

All spirits, weren't you in favour of sin taxes

Maybe they should put sin taxes on some things produced down south every now and again? 75% tax on new cars?


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[He's here!]

There is a lot to like in that article. Especially about JK Rowling and Janey Godley. A lot I don’t agree with either. Overall though I don’t see it as a worry.


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He, or rather than interviewer, misses the point about Rowling. She, unlike many celebrities too concerned about protecting their reputation to speak out, doesn't give ****** about those who want her burned at the stake. Due to the phenomenal popularity of her work she knows she'll never be cancelled and, to her credit, uses that position of strength to defend those who can't protect themselves from madcap cancellation.

[Smartie]

There is a lot to like in that article. Especially about JK Rowling and Janey Godley. A lot I don’t agree with either. Overall though I don’t see it as a worry.


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I find it strange that from my background I tend to agree with every single word and opinion that comes from Irvine Welsh, right down to the obvious hypocrisies.

[Jack]

I find it strange that from my background I tend to agree with every single word and opinion that comes from Irvine Welsh, right down to the obvious hypocrisies.

Are you Irvine Welsh?

[grunt]

The most northern point of the UK ...?

https://twitter.com/Frcola1/status/1686363242573045761?s=20

[Smartie]

Are you Irvine Welsh?

For the avoidance of any doubt, I am not.

[Stairway 2 7]

The most northern point of the UK ...?

https://twitter.com/Frcola1/status/1686363242573045761?s=20

Bbc usually say lands end is the most southern point in the uk, I don't think they are deliberately not saying England. Here they are talking about the most Easterly part of the uk

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-59134739.amp

[CropleyWasGod]

Bbc usually say lands end is the most southern point in the uk, I don't think they are deliberately not saying England. Here they are talking about the most Easterly part of the uk

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-59134739.amp

They'd be wrong :greengrin

Lizard Point is the most southerly point in mainland UK. The Scilly Isles are marginally more south.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/tullmcadoo/status/1686750937900081152?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A
The cost of being in the union.


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[McGhee]

Isn't Scottish Independence, the right to free ourselves, from those, who seek to hate us. The Masons and Rotarians in particular. Those who see us as the IRA, Caravan Folk, and ****. It is still very evident today to me, that the Masons, and Rotarians hate us Hibernians.

[Stairway 2 7]

Isn't Scottish Independence, the right to free ourselves, from those, who seek to hate us. The Masons and Rotarians in particular. Those who see us as the IRA, Caravan Folk, and ****. It is still very evident today to me, that the Masons, and Rotarians hate us Hibernians.

Not for me it isn't. The rest of Britain doesn't hate us and we don't them, that's ridiculous. You can't separate yourself from bigotry as every country and town in it has it. For me it's about separating from Westminster. It's corrupt. I realize Holyrood is full of dafties but it's set up means they can't openly rob us. Westminsters two houses are a web of nepotism, money siphoning and outdated ritual.

We'd also most importantly rid ourselves of the tories main branch and the evil they are free to inflict. A left wing Labour party in Scotland would also be a very strange feeling and the less said about brexit the better

[Smartie]

Isn't Scottish Independence, the right to free ourselves, from those, who seek to hate us. The Masons and Rotarians in particular. Those who see us as the IRA, Caravan Folk, and ****. It is still very evident today to me, that the Masons, and Rotarians hate us Hibernians.

The “Rotarians” being against us is a new one to me, I must admit.

My Dad was in rotary when we were growing up. He used to come home from work for 10 minutes before heading along to rotary club on a Monday night. He’d get his tea there but he’d steal chips off me and my brother’s plates before heading along and it used to drive us mad. We’re both Hibs supporters and he’s not, so I guess you might be onto something.

[CropleyWasGod]

Isn't Scottish Independence, the right to free ourselves, from those, who seek to hate us. The Masons and Rotarians in particular. Those who see us as the IRA, Caravan Folk, and ****. It is still very evident today to me, that the Masons, and Rotarians hate us Hibernians.

Are you confusing anti-Catholicism with anti-Scottishness?

I'd be interested in seeing evidence that the Rotary Club support either.

[Kato]

Are you confusing anti-Catholicism with anti-Scottishness?

I'd be interested in seeing evidence that the Rotary Club support either.You'll go round and round in circles with that one.

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[CropleyWasGod]

You'll go round and round in circles with that one.

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:greengrin

[Hiber-nation]

Isn't Scottish Independence, the right to free ourselves, from those, who seek to hate us. The Masons and Rotarians in particular. Those who see us as the IRA, Caravan Folk, and ****. It is still very evident today to me, that the Masons, and Rotarians hate us Hibernians.

Oh jeez you've been here before under another guise haven't you....

[degenerated]

The “Rotarians” being against us is a new one to me, I must admit.

My Dad was in rotary when we were growing up. He used to come home from work for 10 minutes before heading along to rotary club on a Monday night. He’d get his tea there but he’d steal chips off me and my brother’s plates before heading along and it used to drive us mad. We’re both Hibs supporters and he’s not, so I guess you might be onto something.

I know the guy that's international president of the rotary club and he's a Hibby so not sure your theory is correct :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1687168864700837888?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1687168864700837888?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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That's actually shameful, it's just so blatant and they don't care

[TrumpIsAPeado]

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1687168864700837888?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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It's a "different situation" mate. His constituents benefit, while the sweaty socks up north are left with the damage.

[McGhee]

Are you confusing anti-Catholicism with anti-Scottishness?

I'd be interested in seeing evidence that the Rotary Club support either.

In my experience, the rotarians, are in sync with the masons. However, it wouldn't matter in an independent Scotland. These shadowy groups, that are royalist in nature, would have far less influence, even zero influence, compared to what they have today. We'd be at ground zero. Allowed to rebuild from a place of inclusion, non hate, and a safer Scotland, aligned with Ireland, as a Republic.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m now imagining the Corstorphine rotary club leaping about rooftops in Corstorphine ninja style in the night constantly at war with the forces of good. They disguise their abilities well during the day.


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[McGhee]

I’m now imagining the Corstorphine rotary club leaping about rooftops in Corstorphine ninja style in the night constantly at war with the forces of good. They disguise their abilities well during the day.


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You're not denying their Royalist, Great British origins, are you? I'd happily ban them from an independent Scotland.

[Ozyhibby]

You're not denying their Royalist, Great British origins, are you? I'd happily ban them from an independent Scotland.

I think we should start with Isis, Wagner etc and slowly take our time over each decision.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Why are the Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes getting away with it and they green jackets in the hibs club

[Smartie]

https://youtu.be/YKRFlNryaWw

Substitute out the colonel, the Gettys etc and substitute in the masons, the rotary club etc and I think we're about there.

[McD]

In my experience, the rotarians, are in sync with the masons. However, it wouldn't matter in an independent Scotland. These shadowy groups, that are royalist in nature, would have far less influence, even zero influence, compared to what they have today. We'd be at ground zero. Allowed to rebuild from a place of inclusion, non hate, and a safer Scotland, aligned with Ireland, as a Republic.


you just need to work in some Trump angles and you’ll be all set for conspiracy bingo with this post

[xyz23jc]

I’m now imagining the Corstorphine rotary club leaping about rooftops in Corstorphine ninja style in the night constantly at war with the forces of good. They disguise their abilities well during the day.


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Spoiler alert.... Pretty sure that's Christine Jardine & Alex Cole Smith! :greengrin

[Jack]

I’m now imagining the Corstorphine rotary club leaping about rooftops in Corstorphine ninja style in the night constantly at war with the forces of good. They disguise their abilities well during the day.


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The good people of Corstorphine were pure ragin this week when a van was parked ON THE PAVEMENT NO LESS delivering furniture to ACHs constituency office. Pure ragin they wir!

[Hibrandenburg]

I think we should start with Isis, Wagner etc and slowly take our time over each decision.


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Let's not forget Colonel Saunders and his wee beady eyes.

[CropleyWasGod]

You're not denying their Royalist, Great British origins, are you? I'd happily ban them from an independent Scotland.

I'm confused :greengrin

Accordng to their website, they started in Chicago.

https://www.rotary.org/en/about-rotary/history

And this is their position on diversity:-

https://www.rotary.org/en/about-rotary/diversity-equity-and-inclusion

[J-C]

Isn't Scottish Independence, the right to free ourselves, from those, who seek to hate us. The Masons and Rotarians in particular. Those who see us as the IRA, Caravan Folk, and ****. It is still very evident today to me, that the Masons, and Rotarians hate us Hibernians.

Are you sure about this, I can name at least 50 friends who are Masons and are massive Hibs fans, you not getting mixed up with the Orange Order.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm confused :greengrin

Accordng to their website, they started in Chicago.

https://www.rotary.org/en/about-rotary/history

And this is their position on diversity:-

https://www.rotary.org/en/about-rotary/diversity-equity-and-inclusion

Chip-stealing barstewards nevertheless.

[Just Alf]

Chip-stealing barstewards nevertheless.Think of the Children! :agree:

[degenerated]

The good people of Corstorphine were pure ragin this week when a van was parked ON THE PAVEMENT NO LESS delivering furniture to ACHs constituency office. Pure ragin they wir!Should be clearing his office out after it was revealed he was found to have breached Covid rules and lied about having sought permission for his gathering.

[Ozyhibby]

Should be clearing his office out after it was revealed he was found to have breached Covid rules and lied about having sought permission for his gathering.

Conveniently ignored by the media in Scotland.


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[He's here!]

Are you sure about this, I can name at least 50 friends who are Masons and are massive Hibs fans, you not getting mixed up with the Orange Order.

Must be getting mixed up with the Orange Order. As you say there are plenty of Hibs-supporting Masons (several board members down the years too). The Freemasons Hall in Dublin is a bit of a landmark and gets lit up green for St Patrick's Day.

[weecounty hibby]

Should be clearing his office out after it was revealed he was found to have breached Covid rules and lied about having sought permission for his gathering.
Only applies to SNP MPs. See Margaret Ferrier v Johnson and any number of Tories, King Charlie, ACH. Wonder what the difference is?

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/365637399_10231139466134563_603632454280535951_n.j pg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=106&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=NU04asOVKb8AX_5J6DA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfA1wPx9HBYzD6UoTVWlr_RYAsteOrfbfWaTFA9FhV2b 3g&oe=64D5A50E

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c512zl7jj04o

Couldn’t be us though.


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[Jones28]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c512zl7jj04o

Couldn’t be us though.


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No no, of course it couldn't be us.

[Jack]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c512zl7jj04o

Couldn’t be us though.


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One country, particularly Ireland, with only one surplus of cash isn't a fair comparison 🤔

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/weepep/status/1689160636016504833?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

He’s talking about NI but the plan is the same in Scotland. There is no other saying of reading it.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/weepep/status/1689160636016504833?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

He’s talking about NI but the plan is the same in Scotland. There is no other saying of reading it.


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Disagree, although it's another blow for fans of Brexit

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66050860.amp

Northern Ireland's economy may have grown significantly faster than the UK average in the first quarter of the year, official figures suggest.

The NI Composite Economic Index (NICEI) expanded by 1.2% over the quarter and grew by 1.7% on an annual basis.

UK gross domestic product (GDP) grew by just 0.1% over the quarter and by 0.2% over the year

[Ozyhibby]

Disagree, although it's another blow for fans of Brexit

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66050860.amp

Northern Ireland's economy may have grown significantly faster than the UK average in the first quarter of the year, official figures suggest.

The NI Composite Economic Index (NICEI) expanded by 1.2% over the quarter and grew by 1.7% on an annual basis.

UK gross domestic product (GDP) grew by just 0.1% over the quarter and by 0.2% over the year

The way brexit turned out wasn’t part of the plan though. They are going to have to find a way to sabotage that because NI is moving closer to Dublin every day the way things are just now.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66436792

Just stick with it Scotland.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/codeclan-collapse-shows-scottish-government-isnt-serious-about-tech-alan-grant-4249442

Another thing added to the list that the SG is expected to do while not having full powers or control. UK govt gets a free pass once more.


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