Scottish Independence

[cabbageandribs1875]

classy joe :agree:





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[cabbageandribs1875]

Vogue and Body Shop yeah?


yi beelin aye :wink:

pleasing

[Kato]

classy joe :agree:





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[cabbageandribs1875]

What is it? One of those Magic Eight ball gizmos?

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yep that's it

[Kato]

yep that's itI like when it comes up with "Go out, get smashed." Sound advice.

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[heretoday]

yi beelin aye :wink:

pleasing

That's a horrible thing to say!
Best wishes.

[cabbageandribs1875]

That's a horrible thing to say!
Best wishes.


i'm sure you''ll survive, best wishes indeed :aok: scandalous so it is


horrible thing to say :faf::faf: aw man, better must try

[lucky]

I genuinely believe that Johnston and his Tory government are the biggest threat to the United Kingdom. The people of Scotland are increasingly getting turned off by them and unfortunately Keir Stammer is just not cut out to be a leader. With little chance of change in the near future I think that independence will become increasingly more popular even with the economic risks that it brings.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2021/11/boris-johnson-needs-to-stop-treating-scotland-like-an-irritating-child

On Johnson’s disdain for the people of Scotland.


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[Skol]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2021/11/boris-johnson-needs-to-stop-treating-scotland-like-an-irritating-child

On Johnson’s disdain for the people of Scotland.


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Can’t disagree with the majority of that. Couple of minor points I would question but the overall sentiment is correct. For me as someone who doesn’t favour independence I do worry that Johnson will inadvertently enable independence. I guess the nationalists must hope he remains for as long as possible

[JeMeSouviens]

Can’t disagree with the majority of that. Couple of minor points I would question but the overall sentiment is correct. For me as someone who doesn’t favour independence I do worry that Johnson will inadvertently enable independence. I guess the nationalists must hope he remains for as long as possible

As someone who is thinks Scots are just the same as any other people anywhere but definitely favours political independence I hope Boris Johnson is removed from any sort of power anywhere tomorrow (or what’s left of today if possible). If he could be thrown in the jail so much the better.

[Just_Jimmy]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2021/11/boris-johnson-needs-to-stop-treating-scotland-like-an-irritating-child

On Johnson’s disdain for the people of Scotland.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI wish he'd treat us like one of his numerous own children, and just disown us completely...and **** off.

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[greenlex]

With this thread now being more than 8 years old and the poll the same it would be interesting to see how a poll would measure up in here right now.

[ronaldo7]

Can’t disagree with the majority of that. Couple of minor points I would question but the overall sentiment is correct. For me as someone who doesn’t favour independence I do worry that Johnson will inadvertently enable independence. I guess the nationalists must hope he remains for as long as possible

It's kind of tired thinking this. Whatever Tory we get in westminster will keep us shackled. The irony being that they're voted in by the red wall ex Labour voters of England.

[Glory Lurker]

As someone who is thinks Scots are just the same as any other people anywhere but definitely favours political independence I hope Boris Johnson is removed from any sort of power anywhere tomorrow (or what’s left of today if possible). If he could be thrown in the jail so much the better.

That's exactly where I am.

[Skol]

It's kind of tired thinking this. Whatever Tory we get in westminster will keep us shackled. The irony being that they're voted in by the red wall ex Labour voters of England.

Lol. That’s equally tired thinking.

[ronaldo7]

Lol. That’s equally tired thinking.

:greengrin That's why we voted in SNP MPs in droves, and the red wall crumbled and turned a slight hint of Blue. You seem to think that "Nationalists" will be happy to keep Johnson, however it doesn't matter who we have in charge at Westminster, we're still dependent. Next up Patel, Gove, Truss. Makes no difference mate.

[degenerated]

:greengrin That's why we voted in SNP MPs in droves, and the red wall crumbled and turned a slight hint of Blue. You seem to think that "Nationalists" will be happy to keep Johnson, however it doesn't matter who we have in charge at Westminster, we're still dependent. Next up Patel, Gove, Truss. Makes no difference mate.I would suggest that its the UK that displays more traits of Nationalism than the SNP do.
The insistence on using that term is to try and force the narrative of ethnic nationalism, exceptionalism, jingoistic and inward looking behaviours.
It seems to me that it's the UK that ticks all those boxes and not the Scottish government or those that elect them.

[Skol]

:greengrin That's why we voted in SNP MPs in droves, and the red wall crumbled and turned a slight hint of Blue. You seem to think that "Nationalists" will be happy to keep Johnson, however it doesn't matter who we have in charge at Westminster, we're still dependent. Next up Patel, Gove, Truss. Makes no difference mate.

But with not quite 50% of the vote.

I don’t agree that whoever replaces Boris will be as bad. He is by quite some way the worst prime minister we have had. The longer he hangs around the more people will start to swing towards independence.

Given how bad things are in the U.K. government and with a mess of Brexit and awful handling of Covid the snp must wonder why they are not seeing the support above 50%

I still think there needs to be a change in Scotland both with the snp to appeal to those that have not been won over and crucially in their support base to hold them to account. Simply bring not as bad as the tories is not good enough.

[Moulin Yarns]

But with not quite 50% of the vote.



For comparison,

SNP Tory Labour


47.7%

21.9%

21.6%





So, the SNP had more than the 2 main opposition parties put together at the last Scottish Parliament election

And in the UK parliament election


SNP Tory Labour
45.0% 25.1% 18.6%

So, even more.

This whole 'but they didn't get 50%' chat is guff. Just look at the Westminster results for proof of how little it matters. The current Tory government, with a huge majority ONLY got 43.6%!! LESS THAN THE SNP!!

[Hibrandenburg]

I've given up debating with Tories. The argument that it's fair and valid to vote for a party that benefits you most in a society that has record numbers of children living in poverty, a health system at breaking point and government corruption at the highest level, isn't justifiable anymore, especially when the party you think benefits you most is the root cause of it all.

[ronaldo7]

But with not quite 50% of the vote.

I don’t agree that whoever replaces Boris will be as bad. He is by quite some way the worst prime minister we have had. The longer he hangs around the more people will start to swing towards independence.

Given how bad things are in the U.K. government and with a mess of Brexit and awful handling of Covid the snp must wonder why they are not seeing the support above 50%

I still think there needs to be a change in Scotland both with the snp to appeal to those that have not been won over and crucially in their support base to hold them to account. Simply bring not as bad as the tories is not good enough.

That 50% is straight out of union Jack's book. It's like trying to change the rules after the election, as we never got 50% off the vote, it somehow doesn't count.

The only poll that'll matter is Indyref2. The union brigade are getting all their ducks lined up for the vote. We'll have to up our game.

[Santa Cruz]

For comparison,

SNP Tory Labour


47.7%
21.9%
21.6%




So, the SNP had more than the 2 main opposition parties put together at the last Scottish Parliament election

And in the UK parliament election


SNP Tory Labour
45.0% 25.1% 18.6%

So, even more.

This whole 'but they didn't get 50%' chat is guff. Just look at the Westminster results for proof of how little it matters. The current Tory government, with a huge majority ONLY got 43.6%!! LESS THAN THE SNP!!


Lib Dems 6.9% Greens 1.3%. Transfer that vote share to an Independence Referendum purely on the basis of Unionist parties vote share v Independence parties and that is 49% Independence and 50.4% Unionist. Realise that won't automatically transfer that way, but it does give you an idea considering it was most peoples reason for voting (although not predominantly mine).

[Moulin Yarns]

Lib Dems 6.9% Greens 1.3%. Transfer that vote share to an Independence Referendum purely on the basis of Unionist parties vote share v Independence parties and that is 49% Independence and 50.4% Unionist. Realise that won't automatically transfer that way, but it does give you an idea considering it was most peoples reason for voting (although not predominantly mine).

I did a lot of analysis of the votes at the last Scottish election, and including ALL Independence supporting parties such as ALBA(bearing in mind there are members of all parties who either support or oppose independence) and Independence had a majority. I can't find my workings just now, but it was definitely a YES majority.

[Santa Cruz]

I did a lot of analysis of the votes at the last Scottish election, and including ALL Independence supporting parties such as ALBA(bearing in mind there are members of all parties who either support or oppose independence) and Independence had a majority. I can't find my workings just now, but it was definitely a YES majority.

Yip, that's why I said I realise the election vote share won't necessarily transfer that way in a referendum. :aok:

[Skol]

I did a lot of analysis of the votes at the last Scottish election, and including ALL Independence supporting parties such as ALBA(bearing in mind there are members of all parties who either support or oppose independence) and Independence had a majority. I can't find my workings just now, but it was definitely a YES majority.

I would be interested in the calculations and assumptions. I reckoned it was just under 50% voting for independence supporting parties. It is though quite hard to know from the system we use and also the fact that some are only or mainly on the lists.

Whilst the 50% has no relevance for holyrood and Westminster, it does if we have another independence vote.

[Skol]

That 50% is straight out of union Jack's book. It's like trying to change the rules after the election, as we never got 50% off the vote, it somehow doesn't count.

The only poll that'll matter is Indyref2. The union brigade are getting all their ducks lined up for the vote. We'll have to up our game.

Where did I say it didn’t count? SNP won a clear majority of MSPs. What is less clear is if a majority support independence. The task of the SNP is to win these people over. Not alienate them.

[Ozyhibby]

I would be interested in the calculations and assumptions. I reckoned it was just under 50% voting for independence supporting parties. It is though quite hard to know from the system we use and also the fact that some are only or mainly on the lists.

Whilst the 50% has no relevance for holyrood and Westminster, it does if we have another independence vote.

The list votes is the best guide because you are voting for a party. The constituency vote can be affected by popular MSP’s or tactical voting etc.
The list vote had a slight majority for Indy parties and the constituency vote had a slight majority for the Union. It was that close on both that neither side could claim a clear victory.
Which is why we are not having a referendum right now. Neither side can be sure of victory and the stakes are obviously high. The Indy side should be patient though as it’s moving in their direction slowly but surely.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Where did I say it didn’t count? SNP won a clear majority of MSPs. What is less clear is if a majority support independence. The task of the SNP is to win these people over. Not alienate them.

That's why I said that there are voters of all parties, even tories, who support independence.

If I remember correctly I took the first vote and second vote, added them and divided by 2 to get the average for each party. Added the independence supporting parties and the status quo (unionist) parties and got a small majority for independence. Not scientific in any way, but an indication of the potential outcomes at that time.

EDIT: As Oz says the second votes are probably more realistic, again, because ALBA didn't field any first candidates and the Greens not many.

[cabbageandribs1875]

they're as bad as the damn Tories

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[ronaldo7]

Where did I say it didn’t count? SNP won a clear majority of MSPs. What is less clear is if a majority support independence. The task of the SNP is to win these people over. Not alienate them.

We're not "allowed" to put that to the test, as the Government in London says we can't. As I said, the Yes movement will have to up our game, as the Unionists in Scotland are getting their ducks in a row, and the spending of our money on the "Scotland office" continues unabated.

[JimBHibees]

they're as bad as the damn Tories

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Did Brown and Blair consider to actually do this?

[Just Alf]

Did Brown and Blair consider to actually do this?It was legislated in 1999.

As it stands the shortest route to "England" from St Andrews/Dundee is to sail directly east.

[Just Alf]

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/scotlandengland-maritime-boundaries/

[JimBHibees]

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/scotlandengland-maritime-boundaries/

Absolutely shameful. Honestly never really registered at the time no doubt very limited coverage as per usual.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sturgeons-irn-bru-charade-visiting-25432003?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Lovely bit of hate from the Express. Who would think that two politicians meeting and sharing a gift could get people so upset?


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[ronaldo7]

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sturgeons-irn-bru-charade-visiting-25432003?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Lovely bit of hate from the Express. Who would think that two politicians meeting and sharing a gift could get people so upset?


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The express has definitely been on the Kool aid, when it comes to independence. 😉

In our corrupt UK, people are not allowed to gift things such as cans of juice. Places in the house of lords however...

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sturgeons-irn-bru-charade-visiting-25432003?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Lovely bit of hate from the Express. Who would think that two politicians meeting and sharing a gift could get people so upset?


If Sturgeon's claimed it on expenses, this will definitely bring her down, this time, for sure.

[JeMeSouviens]

If Sturgeon's claimed it on expenses, this will definitely bring her down, this time, for sure.

The honeymoon is over. :boo hoo:

[Radium]

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sturgeons-irn-bru-charade-visiting-25432003?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Lovely bit of hate from the Express. Who would think that two politicians meeting and sharing a gift could get people so upset?


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I am more gutted that Irn Bru is just a rip off version of Kola Champagne [emoji2959]


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[degenerated]

The express has definitely been on the Kool aid, when it comes to independence. [emoji6]

In our corrupt UK, people are not allowed to gift things such as cans of juice. Places in the house of lords however...The express is the worst of the worst when it comes to Scotland. The hatred in the language they use is ridiculous and they emphasise it in capital letters for effect.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I am more gutted that Irn Bru is just a rip off version of Kola Champagne [emoji2959]


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How hot is that US lady politician?

[StevieC]

How hot is that US lady politician?

Not as hot as she was before a cool refreshing can of Irn Bru .. oh wait ..

[StevieC]

The express is the worst of the worst when it comes to Scotland. The hatred in the language they use is ridiculous and they emphasise it in capital letters for effect.

The writer of the article tries to insinuate that they are based in an office in Glasgow .. and yet calls Irn Bru “pop”?

My relatives in England call juice “pop”, can’t say I’ve heard the phrase too often north of the border?

[Ozyhibby]

How hot is that US lady politician?

She’ll be just old enough to run for President in 2024. She’d get my vote v Trump.


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[degenerated]

The writer of the article tries to insinuate that they are based in an office in Glasgow .. and yet calls Irn Bru “pop”?

My relatives in England call juice “pop”, can’t say I’ve heard the phrase too often north of the border?They're obsessive about the first minister. The other bizarre thing I noticed is that it's always a different name attributed to every piece, some of them clearly made up names.

A quick search on Google throws up the general tone of their stuff25267252682526925270

[JimBHibees]

They're obsessive about the first minister. The other bizarre thing I noticed is that it's always a different name attributed to every piece, some of them clearly made up names.

A quick search on Google throws up the general tone of their stuff25267252682526925270

Absolutely nauseating propaganda. Quite disgusting actually

[Crunchie]

I've given up debating with Tories. The argument that it's fair and valid to vote for a party that benefits you most in a society that has record numbers of children living in poverty, a health system at breaking point and government corruption at the highest level, isn't justifiable anymore, especially when the party you think benefits you most is the root cause of it all.
Tell me what Sturgeon's done for child poverty in Scotland other than increase it, especially in her own constituency.

[1 8 7 5]

Tell me what Sturgeon's done for child poverty in Scotland other than increase it, especially in her own constituency.

Whats the point in anyone engaging with you on this?

It's tedious as ****.

Your so entrenched in your position.

but but but sturgeon..... we get it.

[Kato]

Tell me what Sturgeon's done for child poverty in Scotland other than increase it, especially in her own constituency.What should she do?

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[Ozyhibby]

Tell me what Sturgeon's done for child poverty in Scotland other than increase it, especially in her own constituency.

Who is in charge of the benefit system in Scotland?


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[ronaldo7]

Tell me what Sturgeon's done for child poverty in Scotland other than increase it, especially in her own constituency.

Quite a bit of reading for you here, so I'll wait on a response. Happy to help. :aok:

“We are now delivering 11 benefits and 7 of them are brand new - and the more complex devolved disability and carer benefits have started to be rolled out. When all Scottish benefits have been introduced, we will support 1.8 million children and adults – around a third of people in Scotland.

“What’s also positive in this annual report is that, as well as getting people the money they are entitled to, it’s clear that overwhelmingly people are having a very positive experience when they are interacting with this new public service. People can be assured that Social Security Scotland will be there when they need it, and is a service that they can rely on and be proud of.”

Chief Executive of Social Security Scotland, David Wallace said:

the ten payments made last financial year were to clients receiving: Carer’s Allowance Supplement, Best Start Grant Pregnancy and Baby Payment, Best Start Grant Early Learning payment, Best Start Grant School Age Payment, Best Start Foods, Funeral Support Payment, Young Carer Grant, Job Start Payment, Scottish Child Payment and Child Winter Heating Assistance
the Child Disability Payment pilot started in the summer and will be rolled out nationally on 22 November.


https://spice-spotlight.scot/2021/07/19/scottish-child-payment-where-next/#:~:text=The%20Scottish%20Child%20Payment%20was%20 introduced%20in%20February,to%2018%25%20by%202023-24%20and%2010%25%20by%202030-31.

https://digitalpublications.parliament.scot/ResearchBriefings/Report/2021/7/13/c9019cbc-3242-4f2c-9d37-fa7cb34f1376#Introduction

The Scottish Child Payment, at £10 per week for eligible children aged under 6, means child poverty in Scotland is around 1 percentage point lower than it would otherwise have been. This equates to roughly 10,000 children being taken out of poverty. The cost for the first full year (2021-22) is estimated at £68 million by the Scottish Fiscal Commission.
A doubling of the payment, to £20 per week for eligible children aged under 6 would result in a further 1 percentage point reduction in child poverty, or another 10,000 children taken out of poverty. This would double the annual costs to an estimated £136 million (an additional £68 million over and above the existing costs).
Extending eligibility to under 16 year olds in qualifying families (and keeping the rate of payment at £10 per week) would also reduce child poverty by 1 percentage point, taking another 10,000 children taken out of poverty. The additional cost over and above the costs of the existing policy are estimated at £80 million.
A combination of doubling the payment to £20 per week AND extending to eligible under 16 year olds would reduce child poverty to an estimated 19%. This is 4 percentage points lower than under the current policy and would take a further 40,000 children out of poverty. The additional cost is estimated at around £220 million.

[Jack]

Quite a bit of reading for you here, so I'll wait on a response. Happy to help. :aok:

“We are now delivering 11 benefits and 7 of them are brand new - and the more complex devolved disability and carer benefits have started to be rolled out. When all Scottish benefits have been introduced, we will support 1.8 million children and adults – around a third of people in Scotland.

“What’s also positive in this annual report is that, as well as getting people the money they are entitled to, it’s clear that overwhelmingly people are having a very positive experience when they are interacting with this new public service. People can be assured that Social Security Scotland will be there when they need it, and is a service that they can rely on and be proud of.”

Chief Executive of Social Security Scotland, David Wallace said:

the ten payments made last financial year were to clients receiving: Carer’s Allowance Supplement, Best Start Grant Pregnancy and Baby Payment, Best Start Grant Early Learning payment, Best Start Grant School Age Payment, Best Start Foods, Funeral Support Payment, Young Carer Grant, Job Start Payment, Scottish Child Payment and Child Winter Heating Assistance
the Child Disability Payment pilot started in the summer and will be rolled out nationally on 22 November.


https://spice-spotlight.scot/2021/07/19/scottish-child-payment-where-next/#:~:text=The%20Scottish%20Child%20Payment%20was%20 introduced%20in%20February,to%2018%25%20by%202023-24%20and%2010%25%20by%202030-31.

https://digitalpublications.parliament.scot/ResearchBriefings/Report/2021/7/13/c9019cbc-3242-4f2c-9d37-fa7cb34f1376#Introduction

The Scottish Child Payment, at £10 per week for eligible children aged under 6, means child poverty in Scotland is around 1 percentage point lower than it would otherwise have been. This equates to roughly 10,000 children being taken out of poverty. The cost for the first full year (2021-22) is estimated at £68 million by the Scottish Fiscal Commission.
A doubling of the payment, to £20 per week for eligible children aged under 6 would result in a further 1 percentage point reduction in child poverty, or another 10,000 children taken out of poverty. This would double the annual costs to an estimated £136 million (an additional £68 million over and above the existing costs).
Extending eligibility to under 16 year olds in qualifying families (and keeping the rate of payment at £10 per week) would also reduce child poverty by 1 percentage point, taking another 10,000 children taken out of poverty. The additional cost over and above the costs of the existing policy are estimated at £80 million.
A combination of doubling the payment to £20 per week AND extending to eligible under 16 year olds would reduce child poverty to an estimated 19%. This is 4 percentage points lower than under the current policy and would take a further 40,000 children out of poverty. The additional cost is estimated at around £220 million.
It'll go in one ear and out the other and in a few months time he'll make the same accusation.

[Crunchie]

It'll go in one ear and out the other and in a few months time he'll make the same accusation.
A bit like the SNP blinkered support when it comes to any UK government :aok:

[Jack]

A bit like the SNP blinkered support when it comes to any UK government :aok:

Nah, the UK government comes up with new stuff to criticise them with on a daily basis.

[degenerated]

Absolutely nauseating propaganda. Quite disgusting actuallyAnd today's beauty25273

[Ozyhibby]

And today's beauty25273

Hilarious.[emoji23]


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[Radium]

And today's beauty25273

Oops

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/cop26-president

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[Keith_M]

A bit like the SNP blinkered support when it comes to any UK government :aok:



You asked a question, received a very detailed reply, and have chosen to not even acknowledge it.

You're not exactly coming over as somebody that's willing to accept evidence of anything that contradicts your 'set in stone' position and prejudices.

[Moulin Yarns]

It'll go in one ear and out the other and in a few months time he'll make the same accusation.

That's the problem though, he should read it with his eyes, the ears are for holding his glasses on.

[Moulin Yarns]

A bit like the SNP blinkered support when it comes to any UK government :aok:

As above, blinkers are for the eyes, you would go deaf wearing them on your ears!

[WhileTheChief..]

Quite a bit of reading for you here, so I'll wait on a response. Happy to help. :aok:

“We are now delivering 11 benefits and 7 of them are brand new - and the more complex devolved disability and carer benefits have started to be rolled out. When all Scottish benefits have been introduced, we will support 1.8 million children and adults – around a third of people in Scotland.

“What’s also positive in this annual report is that, as well as getting people the money they are entitled to, it’s clear that overwhelmingly people are having a very positive experience when they are interacting with this new public service. People can be assured that Social Security Scotland will be there when they need it, and is a service that they can rely on and be proud of.”

Chief Executive of Social Security Scotland, David Wallace said:

the ten payments made last financial year were to clients receiving: Carer’s Allowance Supplement, Best Start Grant Pregnancy and Baby Payment, Best Start Grant Early Learning payment, Best Start Grant School Age Payment, Best Start Foods, Funeral Support Payment, Young Carer Grant, Job Start Payment, Scottish Child Payment and Child Winter Heating Assistance
the Child Disability Payment pilot started in the summer and will be rolled out nationally on 22 November.


https://spice-spotlight.scot/2021/07/19/scottish-child-payment-where-next/#:~:text=The%20Scottish%20Child%20Payment%20was%20 introduced%20in%20February,to%2018%25%20by%202023-24%20and%2010%25%20by%202030-31.

https://digitalpublications.parliament.scot/ResearchBriefings/Report/2021/7/13/c9019cbc-3242-4f2c-9d37-fa7cb34f1376#Introduction

The Scottish Child Payment, at £10 per week for eligible children aged under 6, means child poverty in Scotland is around 1 percentage point lower than it would otherwise have been. This equates to roughly 10,000 children being taken out of poverty. The cost for the first full year (2021-22) is estimated at £68 million by the Scottish Fiscal Commission.
A doubling of the payment, to £20 per week for eligible children aged under 6 would result in a further 1 percentage point reduction in child poverty, or another 10,000 children taken out of poverty. This would double the annual costs to an estimated £136 million (an additional £68 million over and above the existing costs).
Extending eligibility to under 16 year olds in qualifying families (and keeping the rate of payment at £10 per week) would also reduce child poverty by 1 percentage point, taking another 10,000 children taken out of poverty. The additional cost over and above the costs of the existing policy are estimated at £80 million.
A combination of doubling the payment to £20 per week AND extending to eligible under 16 year olds would reduce child poverty to an estimated 19%. This is 4 percentage points lower than under the current policy and would take a further 40,000 children out of poverty. The additional cost is estimated at around £220 million.

Child poverty being defined as living in a household with income less than 60% of the UK average from what I can tell.

I’m not trying to be flippant but it’s not suggesting kids aren’t being fed or are going cold.

By definition, some kids will live in households with below average incomes!

The important part is lifting the lowest upwards, not closing the gap.

[Jack]

That's the problem though, he should read it with his eyes, the ears are for holding his glasses on.

I did consider changing ears to eyes but thought the gist would be lost. Best keep it simple ;-)

[Phil MaGlass]

Anyone who is not sure what to vote, have a peak at this, the "Open Minds" section is very informative. There are even pieces in there written by tories that believe we should have Independence. Anothr part of the paper gives stories of folk that voted no last time round and will now vote YES this time around.

https://www.thenational.scot/open-minds/

[ronaldo7]

Child poverty being defined as living in a household with income less than 60% of the UK average from what I can tell.

I’m not trying to be flippant but it’s not suggesting kids aren’t being fed or are going cold.

By definition, some kids will live in households with below average incomes!

The important part is lifting the lowest upwards, not closing the gap.

I was responding to Crunchie, who was asking what Nicola had done regarding policies about child poverty. I've given some detail on the new benefits in Scotland which I don't think are available in Tory England.

I'm sure their must be something we could do which would help people out of poverty faster.

[cabbageandribs1875]

this doesn't look good for her, i think she's a goner this time


BREAKING NEWS - Nicola Sturgeon is facing calls to immediately RESIGN, with the Tories and Labour accusing her of taking a blatant bribe with regards to school reform






this follows the "leaking" of a photo to the BBC which shows the First Minister accepting the offer of a sweetie from a small child.

More on this Scotland baaaaaaaaaad story as it breaks!

[degenerated]

Quite an interesting article in the Herald this morning

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19715693.neil-mackays-big-read-snp-activist-willie-mcraes-death-state-sanctioned-murder-says-ex-police-officer/


Something stinks about this one. What are the odds of being able to commit suicide by shooting yourself in the head twice and then lobbing the gun 60 feet away.

[cabbageandribs1875]

no two ways about it, the first minister must resign

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/261124740_1827964824057828_7330467099229161106_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=iSv6FEmnq1IAX_imixH&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=ff94f64fd20ccc94d4089635b70386e4&oe=61A9363C


this is a lot worse than just fiddling the tax man

[CropleyWasGod]

Quite an interesting article in the Herald this morning

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19715693.neil-mackays-big-read-snp-activist-willie-mcraes-death-state-sanctioned-murder-says-ex-police-officer/


Something stinks about this one. What are the odds of being able to commit suicide by shooting yourself in the head twice and then lobbing the gun 60 feet away.

There is a fascinating documentary on YouTube about it. Originally made for C4, I think, by a mate of mine.

[degenerated]

There is a fascinating documentary on YouTube about it. Originally made for C4, I think, by a mate of mine.I'll have a look for that, cheers

[Callum_62]

This it?

https://youtu.be/IsqJEN9ouY0

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[Keith_M]

no two ways about it, the first minister must resign

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/261124740_1827964824057828_7330467099229161106_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=iSv6FEmnq1IAX_imixH&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=ff94f64fd20ccc94d4089635b70386e4&oe=61A9363C


this is a lot worse than just fiddling the tax man


Bins of Color?

Scot Nats showing their blatant racism again.

[lord bunberry]

This it?

https://youtu.be/IsqJEN9ouY0

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Having just read the article I’ll give this a watch. I hadn’t heard anything about this story before but it seems something dodgy was going on.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Bins of Color?

Scot Nats showing their blatant racism again.

or even Colour, Color is just soooo Americanised


:)

[Keith_M]

or even Colour, Color is just soooo Americanised


:)



I thought I should recognise this American expression in it's original language ;-)

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-59453494?at_custom3=%40BBCScotlandNews&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=C0834DEC-5115-11EC-92E6-AC660EDC252D&at_campaign=64

SNP govt getting on with the day job.[emoji122]


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[ronaldo7]

Tell me what Sturgeon's done for child poverty in Scotland other than increase it, especially in her own constituency.

Still waiting on your response from my reply to this post.

[CropleyWasGod]

This it?

https://youtu.be/IsqJEN9ouY0

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My pal has just sent me this. Don't know if it's the same one. It's in 3 parts:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsqJEN9ouY0

He also sent me bits that the C4 lawyers wouldn't allow, but (much as I'd love to), I canny :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

My pal has just sent me this. Don't know if it's the same one. It's in 3 parts:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsqJEN9ouY0

He also sent me bits that the C4 lawyers wouldn't allow, but (much as I'd love to), I canny :greengrin

Can you us the gist of what was not allowed? :greengrin

[Callum_62]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/support-for-scottish-independence-rises-to-55-stv-poll?top

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[Radium]

https://twitter.com/kellyipsosmori/status/1466014673111822344?s=21


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[JeMeSouviens]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/support-for-scottish-independence-rises-to-55-stv-poll?top

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Y 55% is the highest Yes for ages. Ipsos/MORI is probably the most Yes friendly pollster mind you.

[JeMeSouviens]

Inc DKs it's Y52 N43 DK4, which is very good for yes, an actual majority rather than just a large shift from N->DK.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211201/3b03c527e7c4724cffcee30239bb2f85.jpg

The demographics are a ticking time bomb for the union.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

i very seldom watch anything live from Westminster, did the man do good




https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/261980163_1830236393830671_5432117476417932442_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WyiL5NPGLD8AX_gwwOh&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=c7ce92c68cc9b043da6fdc250ee86f62&oe=61AC1896

[Just Alf]

i very seldom watch anything live from Westminster, did the man do good




https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/261980163_1830236393830671_5432117476417932442_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WyiL5NPGLD8AX_gwwOh&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=c7ce92c68cc9b043da6fdc250ee86f62&oe=61AC1896Didn't half... totally ripped Boris about his lies and left the Tories unable to respond...

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.irishpost.com/news/ireland-has-second-highest-quality-of-life-in-the-world-according-to-the-un-report-200228

Ireland has worlds second highest living standards. Amazing what independence can do for a country.


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.irishpost.com/news/ireland-has-second-highest-quality-of-life-in-the-world-according-to-the-un-report-200228

Ireland has worlds second highest living standards. Amazing what independence can do for a country.


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They don't have the burden of having had massive oil fields.

[Skol]

https://www.irishpost.com/news/ireland-has-second-highest-quality-of-life-in-the-world-according-to-the-un-report-200228

Ireland has worlds second highest living standards. Amazing what independence can do for a country.


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The U.K. don’t do badly either. It would be interesting to know how Scotland would fare right now but they don’t break it down to that level which is a shame. Would also be intersecting to chart progress since devolution

[Callum_62]

The U.K. don’t do badly either. It would be interesting to know how Scotland would fare right now but they don’t break it down to that level which is a shame. Would also be intersecting to chart progress since devolutionYeah world beating quality of life at 13th place [emoji106]

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[Smartie]

The U.K. don’t do badly either. It would be interesting to know how Scotland would fare right now but they don’t break it down to that level which is a shame. Would also be intersecting to chart progress since devolution

It would be interesting to know where Scotland levels out at.

I’m sure Comely Bank / Stockbridge used to regularly finish top when it came to best quality of life in the UK.

Folk in Shettleston might argue about how representative they’d be of Scotland as a whole though.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/savantacomres/status/1468184100116873219?s=21


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211209/3316d23e7525304280560fd4f530fdbf.jpg

Time to cut Scotland’s budget. [emoji849]


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[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211209/3316d23e7525304280560fd4f530fdbf.jpg

Time to cut Scotland’s budget. [emoji849]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Independent Voices on Twitter: "JOHN BERCOW ‘My view... on Scottish independence is simply that, ultimately, if you believe in sovereignty, if you believe in self-government, if you believe in the right of people to choose their own destiny, it has to be up to Scotland ultimately to decide.’ #Indyref2 https://t.co/pjZ5UIqcWC" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/Celebs4indy/status/1469443482414628865?s=19&fbclid=IwAR1CjxfOPLJrU9DCB_bHHCedJfo96pNAIUBnIJLOQ wbAZdttfbjJjwUG8KQ)

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/tadhghickey/status/1470312752640143363?s=21


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211226/77525683b3edd570428c273624db3987.jpg


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[Glory Lurker]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211226/77525683b3edd570428c273624db3987.jpg


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Better than being behind, I suppose.

[cabbageandribs1875]

lol yeah RIGHT

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/270747303_4946171522081124_6393261018967137614_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=JHdpKxmN1K4AX8D9Tl2&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-8qAo9VTfULiP4iwQNSnbFc6ADUP0QOo0SMltP5dPRew&oe=61D14EDD

[Ozyhibby]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20419058211066522#.YbYbz-N0VdM.twitter


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[Just Alf]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20419058211066522#.YbYbz-N0VdM.twitter


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More lies it seems (a constant theme when the Conservatives are involved)


In the 2014 referendum in Scotland, the Better Together campaign, and the Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition, described the still relatively new devolved structures in Scotland as ‘the best of both worlds’. In a panic over narrowing opinion polls, the cross-party pro-union movement offered yet more devolution. Voting ‘no’ meant strong, and strengthening, autonomy within the British state.

But now, according to Mark Drakeford, First Minister of Wales and leader of the most consistently successful unionist party in any of the devolved administrations, we have ‘a government which is instinctively hostile to devolution’. A series of legislative and other measures are underway to allow the British state to thwart, limit or compete with the devolved administrations.

[Ozyhibby]

More lies it seems (a constant theme when the Conservatives are involved)


In the 2014 referendum in Scotland, the Better Together campaign, and the Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition, described the still relatively new devolved structures in Scotland as ‘the best of both worlds’. In a panic over narrowing opinion polls, the cross-party pro-union movement offered yet more devolution. Voting ‘no’ meant strong, and strengthening, autonomy within the British state.

But now, according to Mark Drakeford, First Minister of Wales and leader of the most consistently successful unionist party in any of the devolved administrations, we have ‘a government which is instinctively hostile to devolution’. A series of legislative and other measures are underway to allow the British state to thwart, limit or compete with the devolved administrations.

What is really interesting is that those in favour of devolution but not independence seem unwilling to defend it? You never hear Anas Sarwar complain about the internal market bill?


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[lapsedhibee]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20419058211066522#.YbYbz-N0VdM.twitter

That's an excellent piece.

[Skol]

What is really interesting is that those in favour of devolution but not independence seem unwilling to defend it? You never hear Anas Sarwar complain about the internal market bill?


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I guess that poses an interesting question about Sarwar supporting devolution or not. I am not sure if I have ever seen him asked that or not.

[Just Alf]

Newsnet.Scot (@NewsnetScotland) tweeted at 9:58 pm on Sat, Jan 01, 2022:

At 6.00 pm this evening Scotland supplied 98.7% of its own electricity, 50% of Wales' electricity and 14% of England's electricity.
Watch out for major story on Newsnet tomorrow. Too wee, too poor -* but Energy Rich.

https://twitter.com/NewsnetScotland/status/1477398833739010053?t=T2_7KcRvCOs744Pfa42jaw&s=19

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/tory-chaos-in-downing-street-holding-back-party-in-scotland

Tories want independence for themselves but not for you.[emoji849]


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[WeeRussell]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/tory-chaos-in-downing-street-holding-back-party-in-scotland

Tories want independence for themselves but not for you.[emoji849]


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Maybe if we were an independent country people wouldn’t associate them quite as closely with Westminster and their performance would improve.

Cannae have it all roads, old chaps.

[Just Alf]

Maybe if we were an independent country people wouldn’t associate them quite as closely with Westminster and their performance would improve.

Cannae have it all roads, old chaps.In a nutshell, I know a fair few folks who've admitted they would seriously consider them after independence but until then it's SNP all the way. :agree:

[grunt]

Newsnet.Scot (@NewsnetScotland) tweeted at 9:58 pm on Sat, Jan 01, 2022:

At 6.00 pm this evening Scotland supplied 98.7% of its own electricity, 50% of Wales' electricity and 14% of England's electricity.
Watch out for major story on Newsnet tomorrow. Too wee, too poor -* but Energy Rich.

https://twitter.com/NewsnetScotland/status/1477398833739010053?t=T2_7KcRvCOs744Pfa42jaw&s=19As reported by BBC Scotland News on Twitter (they later amended the post to read "narrowly missed").

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FICPcalXEAIvh59?format=png&name=small

[JimBHibees]

As reported by BBC Scotland News on Twitter (they later amended the post to read "narrowly missed").

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FICPcalXEAIvh59?format=png&name=small

BBC are horrific as said this is a huge story and something which should be lauded every day.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

BBC are horrific as said this is a huge story and something which should be lauded every day.

It doesn't matter what your voting intentions are but I think we should all be angered and also worried that the BBC is now just a puppet and a propaganda machine or at least a truth twisting tool of the government.
Do you think it would be any different should Labour come to power? They have seen just how effective it can be having the countries main news outlet by the short and curlies.

[Hibby Bairn]

Newsnet.Scot (@NewsnetScotland) tweeted at 9:58 pm on Sat, Jan 01, 2022:

At 6.00 pm this evening Scotland supplied 98.7% of its own electricity, 50% of Wales' electricity and 14% of England's electricity.
Watch out for major story on Newsnet tomorrow. Too wee, too poor -* but Energy Rich.

https://twitter.com/NewsnetScotland/status/1477398833739010053?t=T2_7KcRvCOs744Pfa42jaw&s=19

How much of this energy does Scotland own?

[Ozyhibby]

How much of this energy does Scotland own?

None. Energy controlled by Westminster.


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[Just Alf]

How much of this energy does Scotland own?None of it at the moment :agree:

[Hibby Bairn]

None. Energy controlled by Westminster.


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OK. How much of it is owned by the UK?

[CropleyWasGod]

OK. How much of it is owned by the UK?

Don't think any of it is in public ownership, if that's what you mean.

[Hibby Bairn]

Don't think any of it is in public ownership, if that's what you mean.

Partly. I'd also be interested to know how much is even owned privately by Scottish companies. I suspect hardly any.

Scotland doesn't produce or supply its own renewable energy.

[greenlex]

Partly. I'd also be interested to know how much is even owned privately by Scottish companies. I suspect hardly any.

Scotland doesn't produce or supply its own renewable energy.This is true. It goes into the national grid. The lunacy is that folks living in the most renewable potential areas pay the most for their power because if the way it’s structured. That cannot continue. On top of that there’s enough being produced in Scotland right now to meet its needs and then some. A country with that capacity and more has nothing to fear by making its own decisions.

[CropleyWasGod]

Partly. I'd also be interested to know how much is even owned privately by Scottish companies. I suspect hardly any.

Scotland doesn't produce or supply its own renewable energy.

I'm not sure what countries do. Someone else will have a better handle on what countries have nationalised their energy sector. (edit:- this might help https://weownit.org.uk/blog/top-10-countries-where-public-ownership-totally-normal )

As far as Scotland is concerned, as long as the Government provides the conditions for private companies to utilise renewable sources to their fullest extent (both production and supply, to Scotland and other countries), that has to be a good thing IMO. Greater employment, with the consequent Income Tax and (in an independent Scotland) Corporation Tax benefits for the country, as well as the impact on the environment.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/SNP_Socialists/status/1478761196539064321

We should be offering this up pre Indyref2. :aok:

[lucky]

https://twitter.com/SNP_Socialists/status/1478761196539064321

We should be offering this up pre Indyref2. :aok:

The Scottish Government are already looking at this but like everything it’s on the back burner just now.

[nairn hibee]

https://twitter.com/SNP_Socialists/status/1478761196539064321

We should be offering this up pre Indyref2. :aok:
Shouldn’t make much difference ,most if the snp supporters I know don’t work any days of the week anyway:big grin:

[Skol]

https://twitter.com/SNP_Socialists/status/1478761196539064321

We should be offering this up pre Indyref2. :aok:

I would love this but my prediction is it will get filed in the too hard folder.

[ronaldo7]

Shouldn’t make much difference ,most if the snp supporters I know don’t work any days of the week anyway:big grin:

:aok::wink:

[ronaldo7]

I would love this but my prediction is it will get filed in the too hard folder.

We used to work Saturdays as the norm, then the 40 hour week was deemed untouchable, then the 35 hour week.

Either this of UBI, which would you choose?

[nairn hibee]

We used to work Saturdays as the norm, then the 40 hour week was deemed untouchable, then the 35 hour week.

Either this of UBI, which would you choose?
Hope you managed to get to the end of your isolation ok

[ronaldo7]

Hope you managed to get to the end of your isolation ok

We did thanks. The hard work starts now for them all to get back to full fitness though. :aok:

[Skol]

We used to work Saturdays as the norm, then the 40 hour week was deemed untouchable, then the 35 hour week.

Either this of UBI, which would you choose?

I would choose a four day week over UBI but both I think will never happen as they would be too difficult. Would like to proved wrong though.

When Saturday was a working a day, did we not get a Wednesday afternoon off?

I have worked for almost 36 years and I think I did 5 x 6:50 days when I started. At some stage they became 7 hour days and we got a small salary increase. I also got paid overtime and often worked a Saturday for extra cash

Now I am supposed to be on35 hrs but it’s an hours to get the job done expectation and I reckon i averageabout 45 hours per week and don’t now get paid for the extra hours.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hunterston B nuclear power station retires after 46 years in service | Energy industry | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jan/07/hunterston-b-nuclear-power-station-retires-after-46-years-in-service)


The Hunterston B nuclear power station will shut down for ever at noon on Friday after 46 years of service, reducing the UK’s nuclear capacity by one-eighth and prompting calls from the industry for greater government backing for the sector.

good, must have ran out of pollyfilla for those hundreds of cracks

[Radium]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220108/8adc787fcf82d648ff5d8f37e1d0f25f.png

Didn’t want to put this on the COVID thread.

Not sure if this is a see how it lands story but it again exposes the funding deficit across the UK.


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[greenlex]

https://twitter.com/SNP_Socialists/status/1478761196539064321

We should be offering this up pre Indyref2. :aok:
I nearly moved to Australia in the mid 80s. At the time they were doing a 9 day fortnight with every second Friday off. A nice we halfway house to start with.:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220109/fc65c316a32ee80e03f4bee04ad580a8.jpg

Starmer is now against the status quo and also still against independence. What he is for is still a secret though.[emoji849]


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[James310]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220109/fc65c316a32ee80e03f4bee04ad580a8.jpg

Starmer is now against the status quo and also still against independence. What he is for is still a secret though.[emoji849]


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He did a speech before Christmas that covered it.

https://labour.org.uk/keir-starmer-union-speech/

[Callum_62]

He did a speech before Christmas that covered it.

https://labour.org.uk/keir-starmer-union-speech/And that’s why I’m announcing today that in the New Year,

“Labour will launch a UK-wide Constitutional Commission to consider how power, wealth and opportunity can be devolved to the most local level.

“This won’t be an exercise in shifting power from one Parliament to another – of moving a few jobs out of London, or to devolve and to forget.

“This will be the boldest project Labour has embarked on for a generation.

“And every bit as bold and radical as the programme of devolution that Labour delivered in the 1990s and 2000s.

“It will consider all parts of the United Kingdom.

“And it will focus on delivering real – and lasting – economic and political devolution across our towns, our communities and to people across the country.

“It’ll start with listening to people in their local communities about what they want.

“It’ll look at the successes of devolution so far, but also where it’s fallen short.

“It’ll consider everything from how people can have more of a say in what happens in their community, to how we can break down barriers to democracy and participation.

“It’ll consider how we can make sure that powers coming back from Brussels are not just centralised in Westminster….but are shared across the regions and nations of the United Kingdom

“It will be particularly important for the Commission to hear from and work with our great mayors and council leaders – and to use their experience and ideas to guide our next steps.

“The Commission will make the positive case for the UK and it will champion devolution, but beyond that it will rule nothing out and I will look at the conclusions without preconceptions.

“It will have one overriding priority: to push power closer to people

“And to deliver a more democratic and socially just United Kingdom."

I Think that was a speech from Monday 21/12/2020

Did any of the above happen?

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[Mr Grieves]

And that’s why I’m announcing today that in the New Year,

“Labour will launch a UK-wide Constitutional Commission to consider how power, wealth and opportunity can be devolved to the most local level.

“This won’t be an exercise in shifting power from one Parliament to another – of moving a few jobs out of London, or to devolve and to forget.

“This will be the boldest project Labour has embarked on for a generation.

“And every bit as bold and radical as the programme of devolution that Labour delivered in the 1990s and 2000s.

“It will consider all parts of the United Kingdom.

“And it will focus on delivering real – and lasting – economic and political devolution across our towns, our communities and to people across the country.

“It’ll start with listening to people in their local communities about what they want.

“It’ll look at the successes of devolution so far, but also where it’s fallen short.

“It’ll consider everything from how people can have more of a say in what happens in their community, to how we can break down barriers to democracy and participation.

“It’ll consider how we can make sure that powers coming back from Brussels are not just centralised in Westminster….but are shared across the regions and nations of the United Kingdom

“It will be particularly important for the Commission to hear from and work with our great mayors and council leaders – and to use their experience and ideas to guide our next steps.

“The Commission will make the positive case for the UK and it will champion devolution, but beyond that it will rule nothing out and I will look at the conclusions without preconceptions.

“It will have one overriding priority: to push power closer to people

“And to deliver a more democratic and socially just United Kingdom."

I Think that was a speech from Monday 21/12/2020

Did any of the above happen?

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He didn't say which new year :greengrin

[James310]

And that’s why I’m announcing today that in the New Year,

“Labour will launch a UK-wide Constitutional Commission to consider how power, wealth and opportunity can be devolved to the most local level.

“This won’t be an exercise in shifting power from one Parliament to another – of moving a few jobs out of London, or to devolve and to forget.

“This will be the boldest project Labour has embarked on for a generation.

“And every bit as bold and radical as the programme of devolution that Labour delivered in the 1990s and 2000s.

“It will consider all parts of the United Kingdom.

“And it will focus on delivering real – and lasting – economic and political devolution across our towns, our communities and to people across the country.

“It’ll start with listening to people in their local communities about what they want.

“It’ll look at the successes of devolution so far, but also where it’s fallen short.

“It’ll consider everything from how people can have more of a say in what happens in their community, to how we can break down barriers to democracy and participation.

“It’ll consider how we can make sure that powers coming back from Brussels are not just centralised in Westminster….but are shared across the regions and nations of the United Kingdom

“It will be particularly important for the Commission to hear from and work with our great mayors and council leaders – and to use their experience and ideas to guide our next steps.

“The Commission will make the positive case for the UK and it will champion devolution, but beyond that it will rule nothing out and I will look at the conclusions without preconceptions.

“It will have one overriding priority: to push power closer to people

“And to deliver a more democratic and socially just United Kingdom."

I Think that was a speech from Monday 21/12/2020

Did any of the above happen?

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Yes apologies, it was last Christmas.

But the Commission was set up yes, everyone's favourite Gordon Brown is overseeing it. I am guessing it has still to report.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19613897.gordon-brown-lead-commission-settle-future-union----starmer/

[Renfrew_Hibby]

So the tories would scrap the Scottish Parliament if they could, end devolution and return us to the good old days. Thus ending the separatists stone dead.

Labour also now view (privately cos they've not got many seats) the current set up as a vehicle towards separation so instead of scraping it they will just bypass it with 'local devolution' where its not about nationhood or Scotland but more about Glasgow or Aberdeen etc. Replacing national sentiment with a 'local' version.

Am I anywhere near with this?

[Jack]

So the tories would scrap the Scottish Parliament if they could, end devolution and return us to the good old days. Thus ending the separatists stone dead.

Labour also now view (privately cos they've not got many seats) the current set up as a vehicle towards separation so instead of scraping it they will just bypass it with 'local devolution' where its not about nationhood or Scotland but more about Glasgow or Aberdeen etc. Replacing national sentiment with a 'local' version.

Am I anywhere near with this?

Maybe not. When the English, sorry Westminster parties talk of the regions they consider Scotland to be a region. Something like when they talk of 'the North' that's northern England not the North of Britain or the UK. Scotland is even more northern than North!

[greenlex]

Yes apologies, it was last Christmas.

But the Commission was set up yes, everyone's favourite Gordon Brown is overseeing it. I am guessing it has still to report.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19613897.gordon-brown-lead-commission-settle-future-union----starmer/ This year to save me from tears I voting for independence.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220109/d068d9c8c73a16672217bd9d8c9ee4d5.jpg

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-may-allow-pro-independence-candidates-to-stand-in-scotland-2hpq3djvt


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[Pretty Boy]

Devolving a range of powers to the most local level makes a lot of sense. There was a documentary about 20 years of devolution not so long ago and the snippets from the public were interesting. Those in the central belt and relatively close by were largely complimentary. Those from further afield seemed to suggest they just felt alienated from Holyrood now in the a similar way to how they used to feel alienated from Westminster.

I'm all for strong Central government in the areas where it is most required and a strong central vision and policy. Equally though it stands to reason that someone in Stranraer understands the issues faced by the people of Wigtown and Girvan and someone in Thurso the needs of people in Wick more than can be conveyed to Holyrood by a handful of MSPs covering a vast area and a myriad of different communities. As one example central government would have accepted the Beeching proposal to close vast swathes of the far north line and the Kyle line. It was local lobbying and huge pressure from local concerns that led to those lines being saved.

Of course I don't believe it's something under real consideration from any party and it was largely rejected by the English electorate, certainly in the north, only relatively recently. The weird metro mayors and combined authorities structure in place now was never a real alternative to truly devolved local assemblies.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220109/d068d9c8c73a16672217bd9d8c9ee4d5.jpg

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-may-allow-pro-independence-candidates-to-stand-in-scotland-2hpq3djvt


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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/anas-sarwar-rubbishes-claim-scottish-25901843

Sarwar says Starmer is talking mince. Hard to take them seriously.[emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2022/01/why-support-is-emerging-for-a-third-option-on-scottish-independence

Does anyone recognise this ‘clamour’ for a third way? Am I missing something?


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[Callum_62]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2022/01/why-support-is-emerging-for-a-third-option-on-scottish-independence

Does anyone recognise this ‘clamour’ for a third way? Am I missing something?


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[Skol]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2022/01/why-support-is-emerging-for-a-third-option-on-scottish-independence

Does anyone recognise this ‘clamour’ for a third way? Am I missing something?


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I don’t see the term clamour used in the article?

It seems to also focus on the noises coming mostly but not entirely for people of a nationalist persuasion

[lapsedhibee]

I don’t see the term clamour used in the article?


The new clamour for a “third option”

Last paragraph.

[Skol]

The new clamour for a “third option”

Last paragraph.

I had to look very closely before I found it.

[Ozyhibby]

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[JimBHibees]

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Absolutely incredible it is neck and neck

[Paul1642]

Absolutely incredible it is neck and neck

Don’t know are always regarded as more likely to chose the status quo in the end.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Absolutely incredible it is neck and neck

Given the direction the UK is now moving, it really is incredible.

[Ozyhibby]

Given the direction the UK is now moving, it really is incredible.

I think the difference Johnson makes to these numbers is overstated. It was pretty much neck and neck before Johnson and it’s still that way as he is about to depart.
I think the only real change since 2014 is demographics at work.


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[Crunchie]

I think the difference Johnson makes to these numbers is overstated. It was pretty much neck and neck before Johnson and it’s still that way as he is about to depart.
I think the only real change since 2014 is demographics at work.


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Giving the vote to children certainly helps the Nat cause.

[Callum_62]

Giving the vote to children certainly helps the Nat cause.Childrens as in 16+?

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[Crunchie]

Childrens as in 16+?

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Aged 14 and over to register for SP and local council elections. In Scottish law I'm sure you're still considered a child at 16 though, but you can still marry :aok:

[Callum_62]

Aged 14 and over to register for SP and local council elections. In Scottish law I'm sure you're still considered a child at 16 though, but you can still marry :aok:Mon the child weddings [emoji23]

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[Jack]

Aged 14 and over to register for SP and local council elections. In Scottish law I'm sure you're still considered a child at 16 though, but you can still marry :aok:

They can register but they can't vote until they're 16/18.

[StevieC]

Giving the vote to children certainly helps the Nat cause.

Not sure you should be classing over 16 year olds children.

Anyway .. it’s their future, I think it would be criminal not to allow them to vote. They’re old enough to be affected by many things that are shaped by government policies, so seems right they should be allowed to have a say.

At the last referendum my friend gave his vote to his son saying exactly that, it’s his future it should be his decision.

[ronaldo7]

Giving the vote to children certainly helps the Nat cause.

We're even giving them free bus travel to get them to the polling station and back home again.

[Crunchie]

Not sure you should be classing over 16 year olds children.

Anyway .. it’s their future, I think it would be criminal not to allow them to vote. They’re old enough to be affected by many things that are shaped by government policies, so seems right they should be allowed to have a say.

At the last referendum my friend gave his vote to his son saying exactly that, it’s his future it should be his decision.
I'm not sure there's a need to get their hands on children at 14 either, why is there a need to have them register at that age?

That aside, the definition of a child varies in different legal contexts but statutory guidance which supports The Children Young People ( Scotland ) act 2014, includes all children and young people up to the age 18.

Children shouldn't be touted for their votes imo and is just another SNP tactic to get the numbers up.

[Crunchie]

We're even giving them free bus travel to get them to the polling station and back home again.
Everything will be free in wee nippy's Nirvana :agree:

[Rumble de Thump]

Everything will be free in wee nippy's Nirvana :agree:

Why do people call the First Minister Wee Nippy?

[Jack]

I'm not sure there's a need to get their hands on children at 14 either, why is there a need to have them register at that age?

That aside, the definition of a child varies in different legal contexts but statutory guidance which supports The Children Young People ( Scotland ) act 2014, includes all children and young people up to the age 18.

Children shouldn't be touted for their votes imo and is just another SNP tactic to get the numbers up.

Why should it just be for the SNP? All parties have their young 'teams', even the torys who allowed 15 year olds to vote for our current PM at age 15. Or maybe having gone through that you see it as a good reason not to allow young people to interfere in grown-up things.

Conservative Party allowing 15-year-olds to vote for PM despite opposing 16-year-olds voting in general election

Accusations of hypocrisy as Tory members aged 15 or over enjoy 'full voting rights' - while party fights lower voting age for public

[Just Alf]

I'm not sure there's a need to get their hands on children at 14 either, why is there a need to have them register at that age?

That aside, the definition of a child varies in different legal contexts but statutory guidance which supports The Children Young People ( Scotland ) act 2014, includes all children and young people up to the age 18.

Children shouldn't be touted for their votes imo and is just another SNP tactic to get the numbers up.There is no "need to get their hands on children"..... all that's been done is to allow the kids to register if they're actually interested in politics, it's open to kids of all political leanings by the way

Edit just noticed your following post, clearly no point in having a grown up conversation.

[Berwickhibby]

Why do people call the First Minister Wee Nippy?

Because what I normally call ‘it’ does not pass the swear filter :wink::agree:

[Since90+2]

Some people have a genuinely unhealthy dislike for Nicola Sturgeon. Can't be good for their health.

[Jack]

Some people have a genuinely unhealthy dislike for Nicola Sturgeon. Can't be good for their health.

Probably more fear about breaking up the precious union and their ambition to be like the rich and entitled torys.

[Ozyhibby]

Probably more fear about breaking up the precious union and their ambition to be like the rich and entitled torys.

With a healthy dose of misogyny thrown in.


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[Berwickhibby]

With a healthy dose of misogyny thrown in.


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You really spraff some utter pish, misogyny my arse I don’t like her politics but she wrecked my festive and January period costing my business in excess of £3k … 👏👏👏 well done Nippy I should be so grateful for your wonder leadership

[cabbageandribs1875]

Why do people call the First Minister Wee Nippy?


widely used on British Nationalist sites, used by Tories and Right wingers that feel threatened by a strong woman, they're normally older adults

they fear the butchers apron will lose the blue of Scotland

[Jack]

You really spraff some utter pish, misogyny my arse I don’t like her politics but she wrecked my festive and January period costing my business in excess of £3k … 👏👏👏 well done Nippy I should be so grateful for your wonder leadership

It was the big bad virus done that and it didn't run away. Yet!

We could have probably stayed open if there were fewer unvaccinated filling up our hospitals and general non compliance with the guidance. Maybe your ire should be aimed at them.

[Skol]

Why do people call the First Minister Wee Nippy?

Although I am on the same side of the debate as people who use terms like that, I really wish it wasn’t used.

It is sadly prevalent on both sides of the debate and really takes it to a low level that is unhealthy

[Berwickhibby]

It was the big bad virus done that and it didn't run away. Yet!

We could have probably stayed open if there were fewer unvaccinated filling up our hospitals and general non compliance with the guidance. Maybe your ire should be aimed at them.

Probably stayed open, you mean should have remained open … she can GTF

[Moulin Yarns]

Probably stayed open, you mean should have remained open … she can GTF

Would you have been happy to see that the deaths over the last couple of years being a lot worse? Because that's what you are advocating if you think everything should have stayed open.


FWIW my outgoings were 10x that of my income for the tax year to April 2020, but I have no problem with that as it was the right thing to close most things.

[Bostonhibby]

Some people have a genuinely unhealthy dislike for Nicola Sturgeon. Can't be good for their health.I'm not an SNP supporter at all but she is far and away a better leader than anything on offer in the other parliaments in the UK, far less gaffe prone and nowhere near as frequently and easily caught out saying one thing and doing another as Bozo and the nasties surrounding him.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Talking about the last 2 months not the last 2 years but as usual you have to put your exaggerated point of view in, i obviously should be grateful for being screwed over financially and be humbled that you are happy to accept your income was vastly reduced. Having a business with property I assume you were able to access all the grants which were not available for other businesses.

I don't have a business with property!? I am a small, one person business who didn't qualify for any support unlike the event businesses.

I also didn't say my income was vastly reduced, although it was. All I said was that my expenses were 10x my meagre income because made decisions to change business direction from outside events to be more insulated from external forces.

[weecounty hibby]

Talking about the last 2 months not the last 2 years but as usual you have to put your exaggerated point of view in, i obviously should be grateful for being screwed over financially and be humbled that you are happy to accept your income was vastly reduced. Having a business with property I assume you were able to access all the grants which were not available for other businesses.

The Scottish, Welsh and NI governments all followed the science when putting restrictions in place. The English government did not. Add in most of the European nations who did the same and perhaps the pile the bodies high as long as folk are making money tactic isn't best. The fact that in England the NHS were setting up field hospitals in car parks shows that perhaps they were wrong. Don't know what your business is but there is a strong possibility that the chaos at the channel ports is going to cause you as much if not more grief than a few weeks of lockdown has.

[Moulin Yarns]

The Scottish, Welsh and NI governments all followed the science when putting restrictions in place. The English government did not. Add in most of the European nations who did the same and perhaps the pile the bodies high as long as folk are making money tactic isn't best. The fact that in England the NHS were setting up field hospitals in car parks shows that perhaps they were wrong. Don't know what your business is but there is a strong possibility that the chaos at the channel ports is going to cause you as much if not more grief than a few weeks of lockdown has.

He's a wedding planner 😉

[Berwickhibby]

I don't have a business with property!? I am a small, one person business who didn't qualify for any support unlike the event businesses.

Then I retract my comment, I thought you had previously posted you had a shop. To qualify for the grants you required to have a business premises.

[weecounty hibby]

I should have added that I have sympathy for anyone who has been impacted financially through all of this. Can I just point out though tha its not just business owners who have been impacted. My wife had to be off ill for months due to covid and was down to basic state sick pay so was at approx 20% of her normal earnings

[Berwickhibby]

He's a wedding planner 😉

Nope I run mobile discos, if I had been a wedding planner the restrictions would not have effected me…you can’t catch Covid at a wedding :confused:

[ronaldo7]

Everything will be free in wee nippy's Nirvana :agree:

Aye. We can have a party every week end. 👍

[Moulin Yarns]

Nope I run mobile discos, if I had been a wedding planner the restrictions would not have effected me…you can’t catch Covid at a wedding :confused:

Sorry, I seem to remember you saying that it was the shutting down of weddings that had hit you hard.

I do sell, but up to the pandemic it was at fairs and markets mostly. At the beginning of the lockdown I built a studio to enable me to attract customers which was a total change of direction and has worked well for me.


I wouldn't blame Ms sturgeon for all the hardship we have all endured over the last couple of years though. I would rather have a cautious approach compared to the gung-ho approach in England.

[Just Alf]

Sorry, I seem to remember you saying that it was the shutting down of weddings that had hit you hard.

I do sell, but up to the pandemic it was at fairs and markets mostly. At the beginning of the lockdown I built a studio to enable me to attract customers which was a total change of direction and has worked well for me.


I wouldn't blame Ms sturgeon for all the hardship we have all endured over the last couple of years though. I would rather have a cautious approach compared to the gung-ho approach in England.Re your last paragraph... amen to that.


I do get why folks are annoyed and angry about it all, I just don't get why it's pointed at political leaders who had to react to the virus.

Looking at NI they seem to be getting rid of most restrictions and guidance a wee bit quicker than the other 3 nations, possibly as a result of a harder regime of restrictions?

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220122/da5d163a70fdf4f5013680cc478f7a12.jpg

Always nice to know who your standing shoulder to shoulder with.


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[Berwickhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220122/da5d163a70fdf4f5013680cc478f7a12.jpg

Always nice to know who your standing shoulder to shoulder with.


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Surprised Huns they could spell Tyranny 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Just Alf]

Surprised Huns they could spell Tyranny [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]Ha ha! Very true.. they must've been able work out how to use their spel chequers :greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

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Always nice to know who your standing shoulder to shoulder with.


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Tyranny????? Aye, okay then.

[greenlex]

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Always nice to know who your standing shoulder to shoulder with.


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celtic wannabe’s

[Crunchie]

You really spraff some utter pish, misogyny my arse I don’t like her politics but she wrecked my festive and January period costing my business in excess of £3k … 👏👏👏 well done Nippy I should be so grateful for your wonder leadership
If he believed that he'd call out all the name calling conservative women mp's get on a daily basis on here, and the name calling is way worse than a pet name like wee nippy.
Apart from talking utter pish he's a hypocrite as well.

[Jack]

If he believed that he'd call out all the name calling conservative women mp's get on a daily basis on here, and the name calling is way worse than a pet name like wee nippy.
Apart from talking utter pish he's a hypocrite as well.

Would you like to give some examples of this daily basis stuff? Can't say I've noticed it.

[Crunchie]

Would you like to give some examples of this daily basis stuff? Can't say I've noticed it.
It's out there :aok:

[degenerated]

It's out there :aok:Should be fairly easy for you to find plenty examples then.

[lapsedhibee]

Would you like to give some examples of this daily basis stuff? Can't say I've noticed it.

I've seen Patel being called Priti Useless, but not every day.

[Jack]

It's out there :aok:

Where?

[Ozyhibby]

If he believed that he'd call out all the name calling conservative women mp's get on a daily basis on here, and the name calling is way worse than a pet name like wee nippy.
Apart from talking utter pish he's a hypocrite as well.

Wow, prove it? Please find for me any instance where I have referred to any politician by a nickname, good or bad anywhere? Show me my hypocrisy?


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[The Harp Awakes]

If he believed that he'd call out all the name calling conservative women mp's get on a daily basis on here, and the name calling is way worse than a pet name like wee nippy.
Apart from talking utter pish he's a hypocrite as well.

I've no idea what your beef is about, but it looks like you've copied your name calling of our First Minister from Follow Follow or the Union Bears website.

Always like to have some reasoned political debate on here but your post is crass. Always the case that when posters resort to using derogatory terms with no substance to their point of view they have nothing worthwhile to say.

[Crunchie]

Wow, prove it? Please find for me any instance where I have referred to any politician by a nickname, good or bad anywhere? Show me my hypocrisy?


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I never said you called them names I said you were a hypocrite for not calling out those that do, but I think you know that and are just going all fake outrage again.

Although the name calling is not on a daily basis ( I was being dramatic, you can relate to that I'm sure) Truss, Patel, and although not an mp Johnson's wife is regularly called princess nut nut by a user on here with not a peep from anyone.

A far more derogatory term than wee nippy, no?

[weecounty hibby]

The same people who use terms like ,Nippy, Crankie, Snazi etc are the same folk who call the PM Boris as if he is their old Etonian chum. It's part of how he has gotten away with what he does for decades.
For what it's worth I think the petty name calling from both sides cheapen the argument

[Since90+2]

Nope I run mobile discos, if I had been a wedding planner the restrictions would not have effected me…you can’t catch Covid at a wedding :confused:

I lost a job due to covid and now earn about £18,000 less than I did pre pandemic so I empathise with you on the loss of earnings. I don't blame Nicola Sturgeon for that though, she didn't create the virus.

I mean this in the nicest possible terms but it won't do you any good to fester hatred and resentment. What's done is done and it is far better to try and have a positive outlook rather than lashing out.

[Crunchie]

I've no idea what your beef is about, but it looks like you've copied your name calling of our First Minister from Follow Follow or the Union Bears website.

Always like to have some reasoned political debate on here but your post is crass. Always the case that when posters resort to using derogatory terms with no substance to their point of view they have nothing worthwhile to say.
Who said I had a beef? I'm having a little fun, I'm sorry if that upsets you so much.

You may visit other fans websites, I don't. I first heard the nickname at work and not from a rangers fan either. I'll say to you as well, where is your fake outrage at the princess nut nut name calling, it doesn't upset me I laugh at the clown, perhaps you should do the same and not take things so seriously on a football forum as was once pointed out to me :aok:

[Crunchie]

The same people who use terms like ,Nippy, Crankie, Snazi etc are the same folk who call the PM Boris as if he is their old Etonian chum. It's part of how he has gotten away with what he does for decades.
For what it's worth I think the petty name calling from both sides cheapen the argument
I use the term Boris to wind people up, I've no illusions about him being my chum and I hope he has the decency to resign :greengrin.

I agree with you about cheapening the argument 100% :agree:

[Moulin Yarns]

I use the term Boris to wind people up, I've no illusions about him being my chum and I hope he has the decency to resign :greengrin.

I agree with you about cheapening the argument 100% :agree:

I see Boris being referred to on here as Bozo, the definition of which seems to be apt.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bozo&amp=true

[Crunchie]

I see Boris being referred to on here as Bozo, the definition of which seems to be apt.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bozo&amp=true
I see lots of name calling of our esteemed mps, msps on here, I don't go crying to teacher about it though :aok:

[Since90+2]

I see lots of name calling of our esteemed mps, msps on here, I don't go crying to teacher about it though :aok:

I'm not sure the MPs who have been called names could be referred to as esteemed.

[Crunchie]

I'm not sure the MPs who have been called names could be referred to as esteemed.
Me neither :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

I lost a job due to covid and now earn about £18,000 less than I did pre pandemic so I empathise with you on the loss of earnings. I don't blame Nicola Sturgeon for that though, she didn't create the virus.

I mean this in the nicest possible terms but it won't do you any good to fester hatred and resentment. What's done is done and it is far better to try and have a positive outlook rather than lashing out.

With new infections in France reaching into the hundreds of thousands per day and with a certain amount of hindsight, it's incredible to think that at least during the pre-vaccine days there were people screaming for the removal of meaningful protective measures. Even post vaccine those kind of figures could bring a country's health service to its knees. It is prudent to err on the side of caution when it comes to this pandemic.

[Rumble de Thump]

Who said I had a beef? I'm having a little fun, I'm sorry if that upsets you so much.

You may visit other fans websites, I don't. I first heard the nickname at work and not from a rangers fan either. I'll say to you as well, where is your fake outrage at the princess nut nut name calling, it doesn't upset me I laugh at the clown, perhaps you should do the same and not take things so seriously on a football forum as was once pointed out to me :aok:

Who is Princess Nut Nut? Never heard that one before.

[Jack]

I never said you called them names I said you were a hypocrite for not calling out those that do, but I think you know that and are just going all fake outrage again.

Although the name calling is not on a daily basis ( I was being dramatic, you can relate to that I'm sure) Truss, Patel, and although not an mp Johnson's wife is regularly called princess nut nut by a user on here with not a peep from anyone.

A far more derogatory term than wee nippy, no?

What a lame excuse.

If the best you can come up with is princess nut nut, a term rarely used on this forum but quite frequently in the MSM you're clutching at straws when comparing to the frequent derogatory terms used by unionists for Nicola Sturgeon and her party.

Why don't you just admit you were being economical with the truth?

[Crunchie]

Who is Princess Nut Nut? Never heard that one before.
Nor had I until I saw it on here. It's our PM's wife.

[Crunchie]

What a lame excuse.

If the best you can come up with is princess nut nut, a term rarely used on this forum but quite frequently in the MSM you're clutching at straws when comparing to the frequent derogatory terms used by unionists for Nicola Sturgeon and her party.

Why don't you just admit you were being economical with the truth?
OK Jack :aok:

[Rumble de Thump]

Nor had I until I saw it on here. It's our PM's wife.

Cheers. Is it one of the names you see on a daily basis on here?

[Crunchie]

Cheers. Is it one of the names you see on a daily basis on here?
One poster refers to her as that whenever he mentions her. Quite why he has an infatuation with the PM's wife only he knows that.

I already commented on the daily basis part :aok:

[Rumble de Thump]

One poster refers to her as that whenever he mentions her. Quite why he has an infatuation with the PM's wife only he knows that.

I already commented on the daily basis part :aok:

Having now Googled it, it appears it's some members of the Conservative party who call her Princess Nut Nut. Maybe the pathetic name calling from adults is just more of a Tory thing.

[Crunchie]

Having now Googled it, it appears it's some members of the Conservative party who call her Princess Nut Nut. Maybe the pathetic name calling from adults is just more of a Tory thing.
Spun like a true politician, who knows. I'm out for today, the wife has just reminded me I've done in my weekly laptop allowance in one morning :blah:

[Berwickhibby]

The same people who use terms like ,Nippy, Crankie, Snazi etc are the same folk who call the PM Boris as if he is their old Etonian chum. It's part of how he has gotten away with what he does for decades.
For what it's worth I think the petty name calling from both sides cheapen the argument

I use the terms all the time , Nippy, Krankie, Bozo, Dross etc never ever used Boris in my puff and I certainly would not consider him any form of chum…

[Kato]

I use the term Boris to wind people up,


It doesn't work.

[grunt]

I use the terms all the time , Nippy, Krankie, Bozo, Dross etc …
"Age: 58".

Ok.

[Since90+2]

Have I missed the controversy over the use of the name Boris? What's this about?

I've referred to him as that many times but never thought it was a contentious term.

[Ozyhibby]

Have I missed the controversy over the use of the name Boris? What's this about?

I've referred to him as that many times but never thought it was a contentious term.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/we-should-stop-calling-boris-johnson-by-his-first-name-only-1.3960399


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[Ozyhibby]

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[He's here!]

Who is Princess Nut Nut? Never heard that one before.

It was coined by Dominic Cummings as his nickname for Carrie Johnson. It's putting it politely to say they didn't see eye to eye.

[He's here!]

Why do people call the First Minister Wee Nippy?

Short for Nippy Sweetie I think. It's a nickname Sturgeon herself seems comfortable enough with:

Nicola Sturgeon explains 'nippy sweetie'� nickname | The Scotsman (https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-explains-nippy-sweetie-nickname-1442087)

[He's here!]

Absolutely incredible it is neck and neck

I think a lot of nationalists over-estimate the political aspect of independence. For many it's got little to do with who's in power at Westminster (Boris Johnson for example won't be in power for ever and I imagine may well depart sooner rather than later) and mostly to do with having no interest in seeing the UK broken up (ie being perfectly content to be British). Only a certain proportion of the population view life through a political lens.

It's little wonder though that the SNP put the 'anti-Tory' aspect front and centre at all times as the current UK government have become such an easy target. For all their rhetoric, keeping the Tories in power is actually in their best interests.

[Kato]

I must have missed the bit where Carrie Johnson gets to deserve respect.

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[Hibrandenburg]

I think a lot of nationalists over-estimate the political aspect of independence. For many it's got little to do with who's in power at Westminster (Boris Johnson for example won't be in power for ever and I imagine may well depart sooner rather than later) and mostly to do with having no interest in seeing the UK broken up (ie being perfectly content to be British). Only a certain proportion of the population view life through a political lens.

It's little wonder though that the SNP put the 'anti-Tory' aspect front and centre at all times as the current UK government have become such an easy target. For all their rhetoric, keeping the Tories in power is actually in their best interests.

Not just the current government but the one before. Oh aye and the one before that and arguably the one before that.......

[Just Alf]

I must have missed the bit where Carrie Johnson gets to deserve respect.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkShe's married to the PM!

For the cap doffing brigade that's a slam dunk :greengrin

[Kato]

She's married to the PM!

For the cap doffing brigade that's a slam dunk :greengrin

That sounds like an excuse rather than a reason.

Her dodgy charity job would suggest otherwise.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/13/charity-that-employs-carrie-johnson-faces-further-questions-over-finances

[Bostonhibby]

I must have missed the bit where Carrie Johnson gets to deserve respect.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkRespect is earned and there not been much to respect about the nasties and their hangers ons conduct for a while now


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[Hibrandenburg]

Respect is earned and there not been much to respect about the nasties and their hangers ons conduct for a while now


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I've never understood the cliche that respect has to be earned. Imo respect is a given until it has been forfeited. Totally agree with the rest of your post, the nasties have forfeited any respect several times over.

[Rumble de Thump]

Short for Nippy Sweetie I think. It's a nickname Sturgeon herself seems comfortable enough with:

Nicola Sturgeon explains 'nippy sweetie'� nickname | The Scotsman (https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-explains-nippy-sweetie-nickname-1442087)

Thanks. Very interesting. So do unionists use it as a compliment or in a belittling mysoginistic kind of way?

[Bostonhibby]

I've never understood the cliche that respect has to be earned. Imo respect is a given until it has been forfeited. Totally agree with the rest of your post, the nasties have forfeited any respect several times over.See where you are coming from but my start point, with politicians in Particular, is very few take long to behave in away that means respect isn't the starting point.

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[Berwickhibby]

Thanks. Very interesting. So do unionists use it as a compliment or in a belittling mysoginistic kind of way?

Definitely belittling…even insulting but definitely not in a misogynist manner as you casually throw in, I spoke of Salmond in the same tone .. oh who frankly is a misogynist

[He's here!]

Thanks. Very interesting. So do unionists use it as a compliment or in a belittling mysoginistic kind of way?

I think more in the sense that she conforms to the Urban Dictionary definition:

A person, usually female, who annoys people just by talking. Mostly used in southern (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=southern)Scotland (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Scotland) and Glasgow (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glasgow) media.

[silverhibee]

Short for Nippy Sweetie I think. It's a nickname Sturgeon herself seems comfortable enough with:

Nicola Sturgeon explains 'nippy sweetie'� nickname | The Scotsman (https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-explains-nippy-sweetie-nickname-1442087)

Is she friends of fishermen. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/swinney-indyref-plans-can-progress-due-to-improved-covid-situation

Good timing. Get all the Tory leadership candidates trying to outdo each other on how much they are going to slap down the Scots.


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[Skol]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/swinney-indyref-plans-can-progress-due-to-improved-covid-situation

Good timing. Get all the Tory leadership candidates trying to outdo each other on how much they are going to slap down the Scots.


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It is only a few short weeks since we faced a Tsunami of cases. Now Covid is virtually over !

Anyway, joking aside step 1 should now be a clear case for Independence being put out that we can all pore over and pick apart/defend to the hilt (delete as appropriate) !!!

[grunt]

It is only a few short weeks since we faced a Tsunami of cases. Now Covid is virtually over !
Indeed! Have a look at the graph of case numbers on this ScotGov website (click on "View Daily Update" to see the graph of case numbers). I think you'll agree that cases did indeed increase significantly in January 2022, with a peak almost three times higher than the previous one. Thankfully, that tsunami of new cases did not result in a similar increase in hospitalisations and deaths. But no one knew that would be the case when they projected the increase in cases.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/phs.covid.19/viz/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview/viz/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

[JeMeSouviens]

It is only a few short weeks since we faced a Tsunami of cases. Now Covid is virtually over !

Anyway, joking aside step 1 should now be a clear case for Independence being put out that we can all pore over and pick apart/defend to the hilt (delete as appropriate) !!!

You may be interested in https://www.economicsobservatory.com/what-new-institutions-of-economic-policy-would-an-independent-scotland-need

First part of a series examining the choices iScotland will have to make.

[Skol]

You may be interested in https://www.economicsobservatory.com/what-new-institutions-of-economic-policy-would-an-independent-scotland-need

First part of a series examining the choices iScotland will have to make.

Thanks, an interesting read and inhave signed up for their newsletter

[degenerated]

It is only a few short weeks since we faced a Tsunami of cases. Now Covid is virtually over !

Anyway, joking aside step 1 should now be a clear case for Independence being put out that we can all pore over and pick apart/defend to the hilt (delete as appropriate) !!!A clear case for the union should be put forward as well.

[Moulin Yarns]

A clear case for the union should be put forward as well.

Is that not what is happening in Westminster just now 😂

[degenerated]

Is that not what is happening in Westminster just now [emoji23]True :hilarious

[Skol]

A clear case for the union should be put forward as well.

That is fair although with the Union we at least know how it operates right now. With independence we don’t know and can only make assumptions.

So if independence is to be gained then a strong case needs to be put forward. However for the Union to counteract that a positive case also needs made

[degenerated]

That is fair although with the Union we at least know how it operates right now. With independence we don’t know and can only make assumptions.

So if independence is to be gained then a strong case needs to be put forward. However for the Union to counteract that a positive case also needs madeI think we should be given clarity on long term plans of the Union and what staying in that would look like.

[Bostonhibby]

A clear case for the union should be put forward as well.Take Back Control?

Of inflation? Fuel prices? Or maybe even just the M20.

Stick that on the side of a bus.

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[Colr]

Take Back Control?

Of inflation? Fuel prices? Or maybe even just the M20.

Stick that on the side of a bus.

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Asked this elsewhere but how far away is scotland from being self-reliant for its gas supply?

We’re 97% self reliant in renewable (i.e. low cost) electricity and, adding nuclear, are not exporters of non-carbon electricity but what about gas? As we reduce our reliance on gas what is the trajectory to become self reliant. There’s a pro independence argument there as out current high fuel costs are linked to being part of a UK market overseen by a government which has failed to plan.

[Ozyhibby]

Asked this elsewhere but how far away is scotland from being self-reliant for its gas supply?

We’re 97% self reliant in renewable (i.e. low cost) electricity and, adding nuclear, are not exporters of non-carbon electricity but what about gas? As we reduce our reliance on gas what is the trajectory to become self reliant. There’s a pro independence argument there as out current high fuel costs are linked to being part of a UK market overseen by a government which has failed to plan.

While being further along the road to carbon neutrality will be a bonus, we will still be in a global energy market. We won’t cut ourselves off from the uk grid.


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[Just Alf]

That is fair although with the Union we at least know how it operates right now. With independence we don’t know and can only make assumptions.

So if independence is to be gained then a strong case needs to be put forward. However for the Union to counteract that a positive case also needs made


:agree:

if we go into a referendum at a 50/50ish polling rate both sides will need to address the questions of the 'don't knows' and also the softer yes/no's to get them to shift position.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/figures-reveal-eye-watering-cost-of-mitigating-westminster-policies

Union dividend?


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