Scottish Independence

[Hibrandenburg]

Slam!!! The doors closed. Good luck guys!

[Sergey]

Slam!!! The doors closed. Good luck guys!

FLICK ME - All of a sudden we get a balanced news report on the BBC :fuming:

[Pretty Boy]

I've got that cup final feeling.

Hope I don't feel like I usually do after cup finals tomorrow morning.

[CropleyWasGod]

YouGov have announced they will release the results of their on-the-day poll at 2230 hrs.

[SteveHFC]

I've got that cup final feeling.

Hope I don't feel like I usually do after cup finals tomorrow morning.

I feel more excited about this than any major hibs game I've been to combined. :aok:

[Swedish hibee]

Good Luck Scotland. YES :aok:

[Pretty Boy]

YouGov have announced they will release the results of their on-the-day poll at 2230 hrs.

That must have been the one I completed.

[Beefster]

Adam Boulton reckons that turnout might have been over 100% in some places. Dum-dum.

[Phil D. Rolls]

According to Armando Iannucci:-

No exit poll but it'll be obvious if the TV announcer says 'And now the season finale of Simon Schama's 'A History of Britain.'

:greengrin

Its just been on BBC3!

[CropleyWasGod]

Its just been on BBC3!

How did it finish? :cb

[Phil D. Rolls]

I feel more excited about this than any major hibs game I've been to combined. :aok:

Im thinking about a cup final I deluded myself into thinking we would win. I can't control the madness, but at least I'm aware of it! :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

Odds seems to be saying bookies think it's no. Yes on the drift, No going from 1/4 to 2/11 and even 1/7 in places.

They sometimes get it wrong though.

[Pretty Boy]

YouGov on the day poll saying 54% No to 46% Yes.

[CropleyWasGod]

YouGov on the day poll saying 54% No to 46% Yes.

Is the fact that it's "recontacted" voters significant?

[Billy Whizz]

Is the fact that it's "recontacted" voters significant?

What did it say on their previous poll?

[Pretty Boy]

Is the fact that it's "recontacted" voters significant?

Not sure.

I'd assume that would be for trends and weighting purposes.

The sample size was 1828 and 800 postal votes.

[Speedy]

Might be a daft question but how does the overall result work?

Is it decided based on the 32 local authorities or is it based on individual votes?

[Beefster]

Might be a daft question but how does the overall result work?

Is it decided based on the 32 local authorities or is it based on individual votes?

Individual votes.

[lord bunberry]

Might be a daft question but how does the overall result work?

Is it decided based on the 32 local authorities or is it based on individual votes?

Individual votes

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure.

I'd assume that would be for trends and weighting purposes.

The sample size was 1828 and 800 postal votes.

People on Twitter emphasising that this is not an exit poll.

It's, presumably, "some" of the people who have been polled before. Would that still exclude first-time voters?

The fact that it's a larger sample gives it a bit more credence IMO.

[Speedy]

Individual votes.


Individual votes

Cheers.

I thought so but was confused because I've seen a few places with 'Yes 0 - 0 No, 0/32'.

[CropleyWasGod]

What did it say on their previous poll?

52:48 No.

[RyeSloan]

Not sure. I'd assume that would be for trends and weighting purposes. The sample size was 1828 and 800 postal votes.

Can a sample size if 2,500 really be anywhere near accurate considering the turnout and no FPTP or other normally limiting factors?

Sure they try and get a fair representation / cross section but even so...

[CropleyWasGod]

Can a sample size if 2,500 really be anywhere near accurate considering the turnout and no FPTP or other normally limiting factors?

Sure they try and get a fair representation / cross section but even so...

That's been my beef right from the start.

As PB says, though, it's to spot trends more than give an accurate prediction, IMO.

[easty]

Can a sample size if 2,500 really be anywhere near accurate considering the turnout and no FPTP or other normally limiting factors?

Sure they try and get a fair representation / cross section but even so...

In almost 4.3m votes. It could be a fair representaion, equally it could be miles out.

[danhibees1875]

I put a bet on at 3/1 about an hour ago. Its now 6/1...

[DaveF]

52:48 No.

Kellner from Youov saying 1 point increase in No accounted for by those switching from Yes to No (it was a re-contact of those in the last poll)

[carnoustiehibee]

I put a bet on at 3/1 about an hour ago. Its now 6/1...

I don't understand how the bookies know only 45mins after polls close.

[Pretty Boy]

YouGov boss has said he is 99% sure it will be a No win.

My girlfriend is a 1st time voter but signed up for YouGov a few months ago on my advice and has been polled 3 times lately including today so don't think this is excluding 1st timers. Probably stands to reason that most people who complete YouGov polls will likely have some interest in current affairs and politics though so unlikely to be many 1st time voters.

[lord bunberry]

I put a bet on at 3/1 about an hour ago. Its now 6/1...

I just got 7/1 with skybet. I've got a feeling the bookies and pollsters are wrong on this one

[bawheid]

This is like Hibs going 1-0 down after five minutes.

[Phil D. Rolls]

YouGov boss has said he is 99% sure it will be a No win.

My girlfriend is a 1st time voter but signed up for YouGov a few months ago on my advice and has been polled 3 times lately including today so don't think this is excluding 1st timers. Probably stands to reason that most people who complete YouGov polls will likely have some interest in current affairs and politics though so unlikely to be many 1st time voters.

Or pensioners.

[carnoustiehibee]

This is like Hibs going 1-0 down after five minutes.

Haha, yeh it's exactly how I feel too.

Has any other country ever decided against independence before?

[the_ginger_hibee]

This is like Hibs going 1-0 down after five minutes.

Maybe a free-kick on the edge of the box to Hibs.... :greengrin

W.Hills

WAS 1/16
NOW 1/9

[Phil D. Rolls]

Haha, yeh it's exactly how I feel too.

Has any other country ever decided against independence before?

Quebec. (Flag debate!)

[Hibrandenburg]

This is like Hibs going 1-0 down after five minutes.

:agree:

[carnoustiehibee]

9/2 for yes now

[Pretty Boy]

Maybe a free-kick on the edge of the box to Hibs.... :greengrin

W.Hills

WAS 1/16
NOW 1/9

Free kick hits the wall and the break leads to a shot off the woodwork.

1/12 plays 7/1 on 365.

[Sir David Gray]

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people on here in a few hours, I feel.

Cannot see any way that there's going to be a "Yes" outcome.

[TheReg!]

Just put £20 on yes at 9/2.

May as well get something from the yes vote if it happens :aok:

[SteveHFC]

I'm now ****ting myself :(


The thought of being apart of the UK tomorrow is upsetting :(

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm now ****ting myself :(


The thought of being apart of the UK tomorrow is upsetting :(

Grammar and spelling can completely change the meaning of a statement. :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

Grammar and spelling can completely change the meaning of a statement. :greengrin

No need to be a dick :aok:

[Beefster]

I'm now ****ting myself :(


The thought of being apart of the UK tomorrow is upsetting :(

Irrespective of the result, you're going to be upset tomorrow.

[johnbc70]

Postal vote sample from Edinburgh is 70/30 to No.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Postal vote sample from Edinburgh is 70/30 to No.



i'm certainly not surprised at that, Edinburgh was always going to be a resounding no unfortunately (imo) it's about time Dundee was made the capital of Scotland :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

No need to be a dick :aok:

Funny, many people seem to think that :confused:

[CyberSauzee]

I don't understand how the bookies know only 45mins after polls close.

Two things shifted this. YouGov poll news of a widening result in favour of No, plus massive liabilities the bookies have accrued on a No vote over the last 12+ months. Any hint of a No win will shift the prices so they don't accrue any more on a No vote.

[ruthven_raiders]

@MrHarryCole: Reminded that YouGov were 14% out at the last referendum (AV)

You never know

[Stranraer]

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people on here in a few hours, I feel.

Cannot see any way that there's going to be a "Yes" outcome.

I think you're right unfortunately. I'll be off here for a few days, sitting in my room listening to Margaret on the Guillotine and other cheerful Morrissey songs :rolleyes:

[Stranraer]

@MrHarryCole: Reminded that YouGov were 14% out at the last referendum (AV)

You never know

Thank you for posting that, has given me some hope :)

[bawheid]

I think you're right unfortunately. I'll be off here for a few days, sitting in my room listening to Margaret on the Guillotine and other cheerful Morrissey songs :rolleyes:

Listen, let's remember that this is the internet.

Not one declaration has been made yet. Stay calm.

[Mikey09]

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people on here in a few hours, I feel.

Cannot see any way that there's going to be a "Yes" outcome.


Unless more people have voted Yes.... :greengrin

[Stax]

Gut feeling is these polls are usually right. No idea how small sample polls actually manage to predict but they usually do... It's affecting me a lot more than I thought it would tbh. Ive felt quite emotional at times today..Going to have to switch from sky as Adam Boulton et al are doing my nut in...

[johnbc70]

I think you're right unfortunately. I'll be off here for a few days, sitting in my room listening to Margaret on the Guillotine and other cheerful Morrissey songs :rolleyes:

We are on different sides tonight but I have watched you post the last few weeks and you should be proud of the part you played.

[SteveHFC]

I think you're right unfortunately. I'll be off here for a few days, sitting in my room listening to Margaret on the Guillotine and other cheerful Morrissey songs :rolleyes:

I'v enjoyed your posts mate in the last few weeks. :aok:

[ruthven_raiders]

Thank you for posting that, has given me some hope :)

Been looking thru twitter for some comfort. My wife has down yougov surveys for years and has never been asked to comment on the referendum, and she's a yes

[Mikey09]

Gut feeling is these polls are usually right. No idea how small sample polls actually manage to predict but they usually do... It's affecting me a lot more than I thought it would tbh. Ive felt quite emotional at times today..Going to have to switch from sky as Adam Boulton et al are doing my nut in...


If he starts another interview with "In the event of a no vote" once more the telly is getting launched oot the windae!!! :grr:

[Hibrandenburg]

Can't grasp how the polls are indicating NO. Everywhere I go the support for YES is overwhelming. I don't get it, I really don't get it.

[Hibrandenburg]

We are on different sides tonight but I have watched you post the last few weeks and you should be proud of the part you played.

:agree:

[The_Exile]

BBC isn't much better, Alistair Carmichael couldnae wait to portray the Yes campaign as thugs and intimidatory. Failing to mention the yes guy stabbed in the face of course.

[lord bunberry]

BBC isn't much better, Alistair Carmichael couldnae wait to portray the Yes campaign as thugs and intimidatory. Failing to mention the yes guy stabbed in the face of course.

The guy at the party was funny, I've no idea what he was saying though

[The_Exile]

The guy at the party was funny, I've no idea what he was saying though

Looked and sounded like he'd been joining in with the festivities, reckon that was a deliberate technical issue :greengrin

[carnoustiehibee]

@pjrarab: Right so Dundee first count has Yes at 71% now if that's confirmed we need to understand that just yesterday BT claimed Dundee was 54% NO!

Also landslide yes in Angus

[CropleyWasGod]

@pjrarab: Right so Dundee first count has Yes at 71% now if that's confirmed we need to understand that just yesterday BT claimed Dundee was 54% NO!

Also landslide yes in Angus

From my earlier exercise, don't think 71% would be enough for an overall Yes.

[CyberSauzee]

I think Jackie Bird's dress has been outdone in the orange stakes by her day-glo tan.

[ACLeith]

Can either side ask for a recount? :rolleyes:

[The_Exile]

From my earlier exercise, don't think 71% would be enough for an overall Yes.

Cracking start though if true.

[CyberSauzee]

Head of Ipsos-Mori Edinburgh think North Lanarkshire for Yes 52/48

https://twitter.com/SH_IpsosMORI/status/512735992432705536


Edit: reason for significance of this is it's a big population centre, and the bookies have had no idea what way it would go, so a potential good barometer of overall result.

[SteveHFC]

Steven Hope @SH_IpsosMORI (https://twitter.com/SH_IpsosMORI) · 14m (https://twitter.com/SH_IpsosMORI/status/512735992432705536) Talk of North Lanarkshire result by 1245. Will be key result. I have estimated it as a slim Yes win with 52% of the vote. #indyref (https://twitter.com/hashtag/indyref?src=hash)

[cabbageandribs1875]

even if it does finish as a no vote i hope voters continue to vote for the SNP in local elections etc etc, they are the ONLY party in Scotland that will fight for Scotland :agree: we can already thank them for forcing the three westminster stooges in to giving us more power(cough cough)

[johnbc70]

Yes making a comeback?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Dumfries and Galloway expected 3-4am

[Mikey09]

Yes making a comeback?


A comeback from what?? No counts have been confirmed. All speculation until the important stuff starts.

[SteveHFC]

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-12782-0-60925300-1411082013.jpg

[Pretty Boy]

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-12782-0-60925300-1411082013.jpg

Always liked Dundee. Beautiful city.......

[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_09_2014/post-12782-0-60925300-1411082013.jpg

Not enough, I reckon :)

[johnbc70]

A comeback from what?? No counts have been confirmed. All speculation until the important stuff starts.

From being 1/20.

[SteveHFC]

YES Scotland ‏@Independent_SCO (https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO) 5m (https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO/status/512741441852801024) STV reporting that North Ayrshire should be more than 55% in favour of a Yes vote. #indyref (https://twitter.com/hashtag/indyref?src=hash)

[SteveHFC]

YES Scotland @Independent_SCO (https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO) · 14s (https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO/status/512742899671252994) Yes sources increasingly confident of taking Scotland's biggest city: Glasgow.

[Mikey09]

I had a dream last night...... Griffiths signed for us today in an independent Scotland...

:hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper:: hyper::hyper::hyper:

[bawheid]

1-1 after 15 minutes. Griffiths screamer.

[SteveHFC]

YES Scotland @Independent_SCO (https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO) · 21s (https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO/status/512743731632422912) The first #IndyRef (https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndyRef?src=hash) result could be announced within the next hour.

[Mikey09]

From being 1/20.


Lol..... Ma bad... :idiot:

[Hibrandenburg]

YES Scotland @Independent_SCO (https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO) · 14s (https://twitter.com/Independent_SCO/status/512742899671252994) Yes sources increasingly confident of taking Scotland's biggest city: Glasgow.

How reliable is this info? On a scale of 1-10, 1 being not very and 10 being solid.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Rupert Murdoch Tweets : EXIT polls sound very ominous for yes...Cameron and Miliband must keep their promises and not weasel out'

[Mikey09]

Ok.... I know I have been fannying about but my honest opinion is the polls have got this massively wrong and there will be a landslide yes vote..... Oh... And come home sparky.. :thumbsup:

[CropleyWasGod]

Rupert Murdoch Tweets : EXIT polls sound very ominous for yes...Cameron and Miliband must keep their promises and not weasel out'

Tell him it's not a freaking exit poll. :rolleyes:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tell him it's not a freaking exit poll. :rolleyes:



took me 5 mins to copy that from the ticker thingy on STV :grr:

[Mikey09]

Tell him it's not a freaking exit poll. :rolleyes:


:faf::faf::faf::faf:

[cabbageandribs1875]

serious road crash on A9 Delays Highland count by 90 mins

[brythehibby]

Can the polls be taken at face value? Have they polled people in poverty and lower society? The yes camp have put a lot of effort on the ground to get these people to turn up and vote and it could be the difference IMO.

I'm still hopeful. As someone said yougov got it 14% out in general elections, that was with a 60% turnout. The bigger the turnout the wider the error of margin I would assume. I've not given up hope just yet.

[johnbc70]

Did you just see that on Sky news? Did I imagine it?

[lord bunberry]

Looked and sounded like he'd been joining in with the festivities, reckon that was a deliberate technical issue :greengrin

He did, he looked half cut :greengrin

[ChicagoHibee]

Watching across the pond here and I've probably had too much Caol Ila 12, but Sarah Smith is looking good tonight.

[Mikey09]

Did you just see that on Sky news? Did I imagine it?


More specific please...

[CB_NO3]

Did you just see that on Sky news? Did I imagine it?
See what?

[SteveHFC]

BBC News saying Falkirk is expected to go no.

[CropleyWasGod]

BBC News saying Falkirk is expected to go no.

That's a biggie.

[johnbc70]

A big pile of No papers on a No table, when there was clearly Yes papers on the table.

[SteveHFC]

Ruth Davidson admitted it looks like they have lost North Lanarkshire

[cabbageandribs1875]

could be declaration for East Lothian approx 2:30am, no's confident of a 60% vote

[Hibrandenburg]

Ruth Davidson is looking horny tonight or is it my cheap "Goldkrone" brandy's aphrodisiac qualities?

[johnbc70]

0031 if you have Sky news on and can rewind.

[Mikey09]

Ruth Davidson is looking horny tonight or is it my cheap "Goldkrone" brandy's aphrodisiac qualities?


Holy ****!!! I'm a massive YES but on that one I'm a big ****ing NAW!!!! :shocked:

[sleeping giant]

A big pile of No papers on a No table, when there was clearly Yes papers on the table.

Just seen a picture of that in Facebook.

[Hibrandenburg]

0031 if you have Sky news on and can rewind.

The middle bunch definitely has a YES on top. Well spotted.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Just seen a picture of that in Facebook.

Can you post on here for the hibs.net masses?

[johnbc70]

Just seen a picture of that in Facebook.

Its a 100% Yes vote on a No table.

[sleeping giant]

Can you post on here for the hibs.net masses?

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152271186742186&id=619722185&set=a.449727822185.247222.619722185&source=48

[sleeping giant]

Its a 100% Yes vote on a No table.

Yes

[HappyAsHellas]

If the twitter map is anything to go by it'll be a landslide for yes.
Pollsters on now saying they'll have to check things out after the event which seems to say they know bugger all.

[johnbc70]

The middle bunch definitely has a YES on top. Well spotted.

As a No maybe I should have kept it quiet! Another pile of Yes on the left hand side as well.

[Stax]

Police investigating electoral fraud in Glasgow? Reported on Stv

[johnbc70]

If the twitter map is anything to go by it'll be a landslide for yes.
Pollsters on now saying they'll have to check things out after the event which seems to say they know bugger all.

Not many OAPs on twitter tweeting their support for No so means nothing.

[CapitalGreen]

As a No maybe I should have kept it quiet! Another pile of Yes on the left hand side as well.

Yes Dundee tweeting that papers have not yet been sorted and are just resting on that table.

[Bristolhibby]

As a No maybe I should have kept it quiet! Another pile of Yes on the left hand side as well.

Apparently that's just piles of papers resting on a no table waiting to be sorted.

J

[johnbc70]

Yes Dundee tweeting that papers have not yet been sorted and are just resting on that table.

Good its clarified.

[cabbageandribs1875]

jackie bird is hotter than the sun............FACT :drool:

[HappyAsHellas]

Not many OAPs on twitter tweeting their support for No so means nothing.

Should have put a smiley on the end of the twitter thing. (never use it myself)

[johnbc70]

Salmond cancelled his appearance at the Aberdeen count.

[Pretty Boy]

Am I reading right on the BBC ticker that No believe they have secured 62% of the vote based on a 12000 sample?

That's unbelievable and hugely disappointing if I am reading right.

[carnoustiehibee]

Pretty stinking turn out for dundee

[johnbc70]

Pretty stinking turn out for dundee

Very poor considering it's such a big Yes city.

[marinello59]

Pretty stinking turn out for dundee

Try comparing it to the normal turn out at elections. It's still a superb turn out.

[Pretty Boy]

Pretty stinking turn out for dundee

Really poor by the standards of this election. Dundee should be a big Yes city so maybe starting to prove Better Together done a better job of getting their vote out and mobilised.

[HappyAsHellas]

Really poor by the standards of this election. Dundee should be a big Yes city so maybe starting to prove Better Together done a better job of getting their vote out and mobilised.

I'm starting to think that the last minute panic with Cameron, Clegg and Milliband was maybe better planned than it first appeared - maybe it swayed a lot of the "not sure" brigade.

[cabbageandribs1875]

West Lothian turnout 86%


some 'glum' faces on the YES team in Stirling

[The_Exile]

They're starting to paint a fairly bleak picture for Yes on the BBC coverage, still no declarations for a while though so still hope.

[HappyAsHellas]

How can they know enough to be glum when nothing's been counted yet? Seems a little strange.

[Pretty Boy]

What does Salmond do if there is a hefty defeat for Yes? Does he resign or does he stand by his record in the Scottish Parliament and fight on?

[Pretty Boy]

How can they know enough to be glum when nothing's been counted yet? Seems a little strange.

The counts are well under way now and both camps are allowed to observe how it's going. They will be well aware if they are looking like they are falling short

[Mibbes Aye]

Salmond cancelled his appearance at the Aberdeen count.

Saw that.

Not appearing at his local count is poor IMO.

[the_ginger_hibee]

How can they know enough to be glum when nothing's been counted yet? Seems a little strange.

Yes/No reps will be watching over all counts, taking notes and personal counts which will be spread internally. Poll figures and turnouts in certain areas also won't help the Yes mood. Very different look in the Better Together party.

[Hibrandenburg]

**** me Sky aren't half making a meal out of the suspected election fraud surrounding 4 ballot papers.

[The_Exile]

Salmond apparently couldn't get his flight to Aberdeen due to fog, although thought he was already in Aberdeen? Driving to Edinburgh now.

[SteveHFC]

STV's reporting that it looks like 'No' for Clackmananshire, announcement imminent.

[Pete]

They're starting to paint a fairly bleak picture for Yes on the BBC coverage, still no declarations for a while though so still hope.

I've noticed that as well.

Is it just me or is the BBC coverage showing a bit of bias? The chair seems to be sneering and trying to ridicule the SNP guy.

[Hibrandenburg]

Saw that.

Not appearing at his local count is poor IMO.

He must be shattered. Not seen any of the better together heavy weights either.

[HappyAsHellas]

What does Salmond do if there is a hefty defeat for Yes? Does he resign or does he stand by his record in the Scottish Parliament and fight on?

He;s taken 30 years to get to this stage and still leads the biggest party in the land. British politics is in for a big shake up whichever way it goes, so I think he'll be around for a while yet.

[The_Exile]

Yeah the Yes folk they've had on, he keeps interrupting them.

[Pretty Boy]

Dundee account stopped due to a fire alarm.

[marinello59]

Saw that.

Not appearing at his local count is poor IMO.

If it was a normal constituency based election I would agree but it's not. I am no fan of his but when he does appear it should be to address the entire nation as our First Minister.

[Hibby Bairn]

What does Salmond do if there is a hefty defeat for Yes? Does he resign or does he stand by his record in the Scottish Parliament and fight on?

Alex Salmond will resign before lunchtime tomorrow. Sturgeon will step in assuming she wants what will become a nothing job really. SNP deid now for 50 years.

Cameron to make statement by breakfast time and he is now in a real sticky wicket as he will probably not get backbench support for devo max....unless he makes bigger constitutional change that favours England.

Interesting to see what Gordon Brown does next as well.

UK can probably expect big changes in next 12-24 months.

[johnbc70]

I'm starting to think that the last minute panic with Cameron, Clegg and Milliband was maybe better planned than it first appeared - maybe it swayed a lot of the "not sure" brigade.

Some may disagree but Devo Max was always the most popular option, ahead of Independence. That tells me the people did not want full independence but they were pushed into a corner when it was not included as an option. As the Yes campaign gained momentum it looked good for the Yes voters but at the end of the day it looks like the people have spoken and it's a No to independence.

[Mibbes Aye]

He must be shattered. Not seen any of the better together heavy weights either.

Really? :greengrin

He's never been involved in an election before?

He was scheduled to appear, why did he cancel?

[Pretty Boy]

Clackmannanshire goes No.

35410 votes turnout 88.6%

Yes: 16350 No: 19036 rejected: 24

54% No 46% Yes.

That was one Yes really wanted to take. Bad news.

[cabbageandribs1875]

clackmannanshire declares


YES- 16,350

NO- 19,036


****

[SteveHFC]

****

[The_Exile]

That's a 54:46 split, bollox. Still, a wee county so all is not lost.

[Mibbes Aye]

If it was a normal constituency based election I would agree but it's not. I am no fan of his but when he does appear it should be to address the entire nation as our First Minister.

I would accept and agree with that but he was scheduled to attend until this evening, I understand. Why the cancellation?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

jackie bird is hotter than the sun............FACT :drool:

Its so far from being a fact its ridiculous!

[Pretty Boy]

He;s taken 30 years to get to this stage and still leads the biggest party in the land. British politics is in for a big shake up whichever way it goes, so I think he'll be around for a while yet.

The SNPs core reason for being is to all intents and purposes dead in the water for the forseeable future.

I think he has to go.

[Pete]

Ach it's full of Huns anyway so no surprise.

Next :greengrin

[The_Exile]

It's less than 1% of the vote, don't think we should be reading too much into it.

[HappyAsHellas]

Created with boundary changes to increase the tory vote - less than 1% of the population so no bed wetting yet please:greengrin

[CB_NO3]

Exactly. The greater Pilton area could claw that back. Good start for the no but.

[HappyAsHellas]

The SNPs core reason for being is to all intents and purposes dead in the water for the forseeable future.

I think he has to go.

He still has good support within his party and I'd be surprised if got ousted. Even if he loses, Scotland still gets more powers so he'll spin it as win win. One battle in the war etc. He got here by gradualism, can't see him changing tack now.

[Pretty Boy]

It's less than 1% of the vote, don't think we should be reading too much into it.

Had a Yes rating of 10 though and has been SNP for years in the Scottish Parliament and a straight shoot between Labour and the SNP at Westminster.

It's a blow to lose that one.

[SteveHFC]

Gordon Chree ‏@gordonchree (https://twitter.com/gordonchree) 12m (https://twitter.com/gordonchree/status/512760033478590465) SNP sources believe it looks like No has won West Lothian 53-47 #scotdecides (https://twitter.com/hashtag/scotdecides?src=hash)

[HappyAsHellas]

Had a Yes rating of 10 though and has been SNP for years in the Scottish Parliament and a straight shoot between Labour and the SNP at Westminster.

It's a blow to lose that one.

Tory voters switched to SNP for local elections - not such a big surprise.

[Hibby Bairn]

There is no question that YES should have won Clacks. Basically a 35,000 person opinion poll.

No will win this by 8-10% overall.

[Pretty Boy]

There is no question that YES should have won Clacks. Basically a 35,000 person opinion poll.

No will win this by 8-10% overall.

I'd agree with this.

Can see a comfortable No win. Not just based on one result. Very early on the mood coming from different camps in elections becomes clear and the sounds and signs coming from Yes are sombre.

[Hibby Bairn]

He still has good support within his party and I'd be surprised if got ousted. Even if he loses, Scotland still gets more powers so he'll spin it as win win. One battle in the war etc. He got here by gradualism, can't see him changing tack now.

I'd be amazed. He has poured all his energy into Independence for his whole career. It is his and his party's reason for being.

He has lost the argument. He will resign tomorrow.

[bawheid]

There is no question that YES should have won Clacks. Basically a 35,000 person opinion poll.

No will win this by 8-10% overall.

I live in Clackmannanshire and I'm strongly Yes. I agree, there's no doubt if we were to win independence then we needed to win Clacks. Not only did we need to win it but we needed to win it well.

[SteveHFC]

rumours we have won north lanarkshire.

[Mon Dieu4]

Forgetting the vote for a minute, I should like Labour, but every time Joanne Lamont opens her mouth I cringe big time, how can she be in charge of a national party?:confused:

[Pretty Boy]

Yes unofficially conceding West Lothian 55-45.

[the_ginger_hibee]

West Lothian set to be No 53% - Yes 47% according to BBC via SNP council group.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Yes unofficially conceding West Lothian 55-45.


West Lothian set to be No 53% - Yes 47% according to BBC via SNP council group.

:greengrin

54 - 46 then ?

[ChicagoHibee]

This blows.....I'm finishing my bottle of Caol Ila 12 and heading to bed.

[Pretty Boy]

Who is this UKIP fud?

The dead hand of socialism is killing Scotland apparently and what we need is a good dose of capitalism.

****ing erse.

[The_Exile]

Balls, clinging to straws but these are still small constituencies, if we're still close before Glasgow/Aberdeen then it's all to play for.

[cabbageandribs1875]

He still has good support within his party and I'd be surprised if got ousted. Even if he loses, Scotland still gets more powers so he'll spin it as win win. One battle in the war etc. He got here by gradualism, can't see him changing tack now.


that's the way i see it as well :agree: even if yes ends up with 46% of the total vote that's nearly 50%(i said nearly :wink:) of scots wanting to break away from the UK, the war goes on, the SNP will do far more for this country than any puppet Scottish Labour party will ever do, not looking forward to Johann Lamont finally coming out from that shadow she's been hiding behind whilst her puppet master down in westminster visited Scotland to beg

[Hibby Bairn]

If Yes are losing by these margins in Clacks and West Lothian then they are heading for a real doing in Edinburgh.

Have to say I am really surprised at the level of support for No. Didn't think it would be so high.

Time for bed I think. BBC Scotland chat starts to open up wounds and politicians talking over each other in usual back to type and irritating way.

[SteveHFC]

Rumours of 58% No in Fife


**** this i'm off to bed.

[Pretty Boy]

Orkney:

Turnout: 14907 83.7%

Yes: 4883 No: 10004 67% No.

58-42 overall now.

[SteveHFC]

Orkney no vote.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Rumours of 58% No in Fife


**** this i'm off to bed.

Yes hammered in Orkney. 67-32

[cabbageandribs1875]

Flog Orkney of to Norway or Iceland :agree::greengrin

[Peevemor]

Yes hammered in Orkney. 67-32

Was that expected?

[The_Exile]

Was that expected?

Orkney was an expected No vote as far as I'm aware.

[marinello59]

Yes hammered in Orkney. 67-32

Shetland and Orkney are always going to vote No.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Was that expected?

Lib Dem stronghold; margin could have been tighter but NO vote expected.

[lord bunberry]

Was that expected?

It was the region most likely to vote no

[cabbageandribs1875]

total scores on the doors

YES- 21,233

No- 29,040

[Hibrandenburg]

Was that expected?

Yes! Lib/Dem safe seat.

[johnbc70]

Was that expected?

A No was expected but bigger margin that anyone predicted.

[The_Exile]

total scores on the doors

YES- 21,233

No- 29,040

Only about 4 million to go!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Was that expected?



Huge landslide vote for the Lib-Dems at last election

[cabbageandribs1875]

see that johann lamont, she's great at interrupting others on the panel when they are speaking, but puts her hand up asking to finish what she's slavering her usual p@sh

[Mikey09]

Flog Orkney of to Norway or Iceland :agree::greengrin


Sounds good to me!!! Most of them want to be independant from Scotland!!! Hypocrites. :wink:

[blaikie]

Sitting in my balcony in Kos watching the updates as they come in! I wouldn't even do this for the football!

Hopefully Yes vote prevails shakey start but not lost far from it!

[Mikey09]

Sitting in my balcony in Kos watching the updates as they come in! I wouldn't even do this for the football!

Hopefully Yes vote prevails shakey start but not lost far from it!


Thats the spirit blaikie!!! Keep the faith.... But Dinnae rub it in telling us yer sitting on yer balcony in Kos....:wink:

[Hibrandenburg]

Sitting in my balcony in Kos watching the updates as they come in! I wouldn't even do this for the football!

Hopefully Yes vote prevails shakey start but not lost far from it!

Political "Happy Clapper". ****in booooo!

:wink:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Anybody on a balcony in Bulgaria?

[Pretty Boy]

Shetland:

Yes: 5669 No: 9961

64-36

[SteveHFC]

Shetland vote no

[the_ginger_hibee]

Anybody on a balcony in Bulgaria?

:faf::greengrin:thumbsup:

Ma tears, they're full o' pride.

[cabbageandribs1875]

3/32 declared

YES- 26,902

feardies/orange lodge members/islanders/standard life employees - 38,991



:(

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm kinda hoping Dundee has a total eloctorate of 2,000,000 :greengrin

[Since90+2]

John Swinney all but concedes Perth and Kinross to the No campaign. With Edinburgh looking like a 60/40 for No think it's all but over.

[cabbageandribs1875]

West Lothian looking likely 53% naw

[Mikey09]

I'm struggling to keep watching Sky's coverage of this.... Just for the fact Adam Boulton's smug puss is doing my box in!!!!! :grr:

[the_ginger_hibee]

John Swinney all but concedes Perth and Kinross to the No campaign. With Edinburgh looking like a 60/40 for No think it's all but over.

BT chairman confident of Midlothian and Falkirk.

[Pretty Boy]

John Swinney all but concedes Perth and Kinross to the No campaign. With Edinburgh looking like a 60/40 for No think it's all but over.

No suprise with Perth.

Was a Tory area, and a strong one at that, for years and the recent shift to the SNP maybe painted a false picture.

It's really a case of how big a margin for No now.

I've argued for a few years now that the SNPs strong showing in Holyrood elections was false, as the result at the last general election showed. It's annoying to be proved right, to some extent, in such a soul destroying way.

[The_Exile]

Ach well, no payrise for another decade.

[Mon Dieu4]

Whilest various people have valid and solid reasons to vote no, seems some folk will believe Hibs style quality over quantity pish lies, genuinely gutted so far but ce la vie we just have to get on with it

[speedy_gonzales]

BT chairman confident of Midlothian and Falkirk.

Falkirk looks good for a YES, a colleague has been campaigning there for weeks and keeps running out of flyers, flags, pamphlets. She's also involved in the count there, she's been on FaceBook to say it's looking good for a YES, we'll wait and see though.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Falkirk looks good for a YES, a colleague has been campaigning there for weeks and keeps running out of flyers, flags, pamphlets. She's also involved in the count there, she's been on FaceBook to say it's looking good for a YES, we'll wait and see though.

Here's hoping :agree:

[SteveHFC]

Western Isles votes no

[cabbageandribs1875]

Western Isles

YAY- 9,195

NAY-10,544


:rolleyes:

[the_ginger_hibee]

Western Isles votes no

That was an achievable Yes.

[Peevemor]

Western Isles

YAY- 9,195

NAY-10,544


:rolleyes:

Was that expected?

[Pretty Boy]

Was that expected?

Nope.

Yes would have wanted that one. Almost a banker.

[marinello59]

Was that expected?

No.

[Cameron1875]

An utter bloody doing so far.

Not quite sure how I feel about all this, might need a few days to calm myself cause don't wanna look like a fud losing the head on social media.

[cabbageandribs1875]

4/32 declared


Yes- 36,097

naw- 49,535

[cabbageandribs1875]

Was that expected?


unfortunately...nope

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Just back from the parliment with my mates. Unreal scenes up there, absolute heaving.

[CB_NO3]

Still only 13k votes in it. While I firmly believe No will win, that can turn round in a second.

[ChicagoHibee]

I'm hoping for a Dewey defeats Truman moment.....but this is not looking good.

[leither17]

whats with all this sampling boxes and looking at votes is all this allowed?

[marinello59]

whats with all this sampling boxes and looking at votes is all this allowed?

Of course. Same in every election.

[#FromTheCapital]

All areas announced this far count for a small percentage of the vote. Although I'm hoping that it's largely indicative of the general mindset, especially considering that a couple of areas were considered yes territory.

[Mikey09]

Jeezo.... Talking about smug little pricks..... As if by magic houndation of farts Ian Murray appears on ma telly!!!! :grr:

[johnbc70]

All areas announced this far count for a small percentage of the vote. Although I'm hoping that it's largely indicative of the general mindset, especially considering that a couple of areas were considered yes territory.

Looking good for No, winning the Western Isles was never expected.

[(((Fergus)))]

whats with all this sampling boxes and looking at votes is all this allowed?

More concerned about these fire alarms in Dundee.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Still only 13k votes in it. While I firmly believe No will win, that can turn round in a second.


exactly, although i'm still expecting the no's to triumph they are only 13,500 votes ahead, 53% against 47%, just under half of the votes not wanting to be part of the UK, at the very least hopefully augers well for the continuation of an SNP party in power at Holyrood, it's just going to take a little longer for the war to be won :greengrin

[#FromTheCapital]

Looking good for No, winning the Western Isles was never expected.

:agree:
Rumours circulating of a close call in Glasgow and a landslide No in Edinburgh as well.

[Peevemor]

An SNP guy on STV (Andrew Wilson) already speaking like it's a done deal. :-(

[leither17]

Of course. Same in every election.

im usually sleeping by now :aok:

[Cameron1875]

Claire Stewart on STV has stepped up her game at least :eek::love ya!:

[(((Fergus)))]

Sterling rising on the news

[Mikey09]

Come oan Dundee!!!! Give me something to smile about....:thumbsup:

[capitals_finest]

Hamden feeling for me. Excitement quickly turning into disappointment.

[PeeJay]

Morning to you all - I'm listening here this evening to Radio 5 Live and reading your posts for updates as the Californian/US tv is full of football and local news and endless advertising - early doors yet, looking good for no, but there's a long way to go. Easy for me to stay awake - it's only 7:20, I'm off for a meal, some decent wine and then I hope to be updated on the situation back home by this lot of "independence lovers" - failing that, you guys and the Beeb. Seems Glasgow had a lower turnout than in general (anyone surprised by that?)

[Pete]

Who's Eilean Siar?

[leither17]

An SNP guy on STV (Andrew Wilson) already speaking like it's a done deal. :-(

just did the exact same on bbc

[johnbc70]

An SNP guy on STV (Andrew Wilson) already speaking like it's a done deal. :-(

He made the point that I made earlier in that Devo Max was always the preferred option for people, even above independence. That is what we have now been promised. People were forced into a corner as it was not on the ballot paper but if this was the preferred option then did the people really want independence?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Come oan Dundee!!!! Give me something to smile about....:thumbsup:


the one sure YES one, and it's had two fire alarms :rolleyes:

[Baader]

Need a city to vote yes if independence is to happen.

Scotland looking like the peculiar case of a country that refused its own independence... Quebec voted against leaving Canada in 1995 but far as I know it never had nation status...

[Mikey09]

the one sure YES one, and it's had two fire alarms :rolleyes:


:smokin

[Peevemor]

Predicted 60-40 No in East Lothian.

[cabbageandribs1875]

inverclyde declared


yes- 27,243 = 49.9%

no- 27,329 = 50.1%


kin unbelievable

[Peevemor]

Inverclyde 27243 yes 27329 no Tight

[shankssaysno]

Who's Eilean Siar?

Isle of lewis

[speedy_gonzales]

Here's hoping :agree:
Insider is saying 54% to YES, going through spoilt ballots now. Don't shoot me if I'm wrong though!

[cabbageandribs1875]

scores on the doors


yes= 63,340

no= 76,864

[SteveHFC]

Come on Dundee :thumbsup: