Winter 2022-23 transfer thread

[sleeping giant]

2024, so a bit of time. They'll probably want a bit for him but I would imagine we've spent more on players in the summer that have shown next to nothing. Jair Tavares showed pretty much nothing at a senior level and we spent money on him. Likewise, Melkerson.

They both will amount to more than we would have to spend on Akinyemi. Least said about McKirdy the better...
Is McKirdy being written off already too ?

[Stuart93]

Footballs a funny game isn’t it, everyone slates the recruitment team and the targets fans want us 3 St Mirren players, Livingston player, A partick thistle player and a Ayr player , plus a couple from lower leagues in England and then Ireland.

I’m not dismissing any of those players whatsoever by the way and wojld absolutely take some of them.

But if the board suggested some of them either now or the last 12 months I imagine a large portion would say “uninspiring”, low expectations etc etc

It just shows how hard a job they’ve got. When we were signing players like the ones mentioned a lot were saying we need to cast our net wider than what we were - we do that the last 12 months and struggled.

As always a mix of the two is needed but you’re never going to please everyone

Aye it’s a fair point. Recruitment is never really clear cut, we’ve just unfortunately got it wrong for a while now.

I tend to think when we sign players from other clubs in Scotland, usually their better players, it brings us the most success. Kind of similar to recruitment under Jack Ross in the season we finished 3rd, albeit I wasn’t exactly in love with the way we played.

I reckon like you say a good mix is usually best. Think we were a bit guilty of signing too many unknowns in the summer, too many of which have turned out to be very meh.

Don’t envy them but I’m hoping the rumoured change to the recruitment team/behind the scenes turns out to be true because it’s been failing now for a while.

[madhatter]

Is McKirdy being written off already too ?

No, not yet but he has a lot of work to do. Reminds me of James Collins at the moment. Much hype when signed - built up to be a big signing - and then does pretty much nothing (as yet).

Game looks too physical and too frantic for him at the moment.

[madhatter]

Aye it’s a fair point. Recruitment is never really clear cut, we’ve just unfortunately got it wrong for a while now.

I tend to think when we sign players from other clubs in Scotland, usually their better players, it brings us the most success. Kind of similar to recruitment under Jack Ross in the season we finished 3rd, albeit I wasn’t exactly in love with the way we played.

I reckon like you say a good mix is usually best. Think we were a bit guilty of signing too many unknowns in the summer, too many of which have turned out to be very meh.

Don’t envy them but I’m hoping the rumoured change to the recruitment team/behind the scenes turns out to be true because it’s been failing now for a while.

What's the rumoured change?

[Smartie]

Aye it’s a fair point. Recruitment is never really clear cut, we’ve just unfortunately got it wrong for a while now.

I tend to think when we sign players from other clubs in Scotland, usually their better players, it brings us the most success. Kind of similar to recruitment under Jack Ross in the season we finished 3rd, albeit I wasn’t exactly in love with the way we played.

I reckon like you say a good mix is usually best. Think we were a bit guilty of signing too many unknowns in the summer, too many of which have turned out to be very meh.

Don’t envy them but I’m hoping the rumoured change to the recruitment team/behind the scenes turns out to be true because it’s been failing now for a while.

Like you, I like it when we sign players from Scottish clubs who are clearly good players, in good form, and deserving of an opportunity at a higher level and I agree that a mix is best - and that we've got the mix wrong this year.

Ron Gordon seemed to say over the summer that we'd be casting our net wider and trying to steal a march on the other Scottish clubs by finding players there.

His attitude towards signing players from Scotland sounded pretty defeatist to me - he'd say that if there were good players there then they'd be signed by clubs with deeper pockets than ours. I fundamentally disagree, if for no better reason than that we'd have seen Martin Boyle and John McGinn go to Hearts or Aberdeen if that was the case. We're never going to be splashing the cash more than everyone else in Scotland so whatever we do we're going to have to box clever, and that will often involve signing players from Scotland that bigger clubs have overlooked.

[WhileTheChief..]

If we buy Akinyemi does he get written off as quickly if he has a slow start too?

Yes, and rightly so!

We need players to come in and make a difference straight away.

If the club has any doubts about any potential signings being able to do that, they should look elsewhere.

We’re in too much trouble to be mucking around taking risks now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What's the rumoured change?

There’s been a few posts saying that our recruitment process is going to change but from what I’ve seen there’s been absolutely no meat on the bones of any of the posts so no idea what it would be changing to.

[bingo70]

Yes, and rightly so!

We need players to come in and make a difference straight away.

If the club has any doubts about any potential signings being able to do that, they should look elsewhere.

We’re in too much trouble to be mucking around taking risks now.

Those players sound expensive and the sort of player other clubs will want to!

FWIW I agree that would be the ideal and what I want to. I just think it’s not as simple as you’re making out.

[MWHIBBIES]

You can have the best forwards in the world but if you have no quality midfielders who can provide them with a decent service they won't score a lot of goals.

The best forwards in the world create their own chances. They control the ball, bring others into play, lead from the front, beat players. None of our guys do this.

We have created dozens of chances in games this season. Kilmarnock at home, United away, livi away. Our forwards are letting us down as much as anyone.

[WhileTheChief..]

Those players sound expensive and the sort of player other clubs will want to!

FWIW I agree that would be the ideal and what I want to. I just think it’s not as simple as you’re making out.

We literally always used to sign players who could come in and make a start though. Even Gareth Evans scored on his debut!!

Other clubs manage it fine and players that we sell seem to play for their new clubs without needing months to settle in.

Ours is an entirely new ( and crap) way of doing things that needs binned.

[Since452]

The best forwards in the world create their own chances. They control the ball, bring others into play, lead from the front, beat players. None of our guys do this.

We have created dozens of chances in games this season. Kilmarnock at home, United away, livi away. Our forwards are letting us down as much as anyone.

I agree. Riordan managed to find the net frequently playing with the likes of John Rankin and Brian Kerr. Our forwards have been pathetic this season and have squandered so many chances. Nisbet showed what a good striker can do given a chance last week. Hopefully a sign of things to come.

[PHeffernan]

The best forwards in the world create their own chances. They control the ball, bring others into play, lead from the front, beat players. None of our guys do this.

We have created dozens of chances in games this season. Kilmarnock at home, United away, livi away. Our forwards are letting us down as much as anyone.

The best players cost more than £400k and are on more than £4k a week.
There is a massive disconnect with what level of club Hibs supporters think we are and what level we really are.
For me Hearts finances will from now see them as the third force in Scottish football.
They won't get near the top 2 but will leave us trailing. It's down to nothing more than money.

We have badly missed Nisbets striking ability and I think we have some decent players around him now which we didn't have before he sustained his injury.
He is as good a striker as we can hope to have.
The poor recent results were achieved without him, Magennis and McGeady.
For me they will make a big difference moving forward if they stay fit and if given the chance McKirdy could start firing against Livingston.

[JimBHibees]

We should definitely be looking at Dipo Akinyemi. We've taken far bigger risks in the summer on players that have, in their career, shown far less.

He is a handful but has good ball control. He doesn't get bullied, can hold the ball up and is quite mobile.

Exactly the type of player we are missing in my opinion. Doidge wasn't great but he gave us something different, we haven't really replaced that because Kukharevych isn't really that player. He doesn't hold the ball up very well. Doidge wasn't great at hold up either but had a knack of winning freekicks in some games.

Think Kukarevich holds the ball up pretty well. Completely different team when he is playing.

[MWHIBBIES]

The best players cost more than £400k and are on more than £4k a week.
There is a massive disconnect with what level of club Hibs supporters think we are and what level we really are.

We have badly missed Nisbets striking ability and I think we have some decent players around him now which we didn't have before he sustained his injury.
He is as good a striker as we can hope to have.
The poor recent results were achieved without him, Magennis and McGeady.
For me they will make a big difference moving forward if they stay fit and McKirdy could start firing against Livingston.

Yes, the best players also play against defenders who cost more than 400k...Quality is relative.

[Smartie]

Think Kukarevich holds the ball up pretty well. Completely different team when he is playing.

He's had one or two stinkers during our recent poor run when he hasn't held it up well at all.

It's hard to hold it up well when the supply is poor and you have little support, which has sometimes been the case.

He certainly looked good enough at holding the ball up early on.

[Lago]

The best players cost more than £400k and are on more than £4k a week.
There is a massive disconnect with what level of club Hibs supporters think we are and what level we really are.
For me Hearts finances will from now see them as the third force in Scottish football.
They won't get near the top 2 but will leave us trailing. It's down to nothing more than money.

We have badly missed Nisbets striking ability and I think we have some decent players around him now which we didn't have before he sustained his injury.
He is as good a striker as we can hope to have.
The poor recent results were achieved without him, Magennis and McGeady.
For me they will make a big difference moving forward if they stay fit and if given the chance McKirdy could start firing against Livingston.
In a nut shell 👍

[superfurryhibby]

The best players cost more than £400k and are on more than £4k a week.
There is a massive disconnect with what level of club Hibs supporters think we are and what level we really are.
For me Hearts finances will from now see them as the third force in Scottish football.
They won't get near the top 2 but will leave us trailing. It's down to nothing more than money.

We have badly missed Nisbets striking ability and I think we have some decent players around him now which we didn't have before he sustained his injury.
He is as good a striker as we can hope to have.
The poor recent results were achieved without him, Magennis and McGeady.
For me they will make a big difference moving forward if they stay fit and if given the chance McKirdy could start firing against Livingston.

Much sense in this post, we're not without hope and I would imagine we'll see some players coming in too.

I'm not so sure about Hearts finances making such a huge difference. They've been spending more money than Hibs for most of the past 40 years and have never been able to pull away from the pack for any length of time. A well run Hibs, with a proper footballing structure can still have an impact. Gordon, for all that the playing side has been deeply inconsistent, has presided over two cup finals and a third place finish. The income generated by the current commercial developments will assist.

[PHeffernan]

Yes, the best players also play against defenders who cost more than 400k...Quality is relative.

Good point.
We need to get back to being flat track bullies.

I think Hibs will improve as our main guys get fitter.
The Celtic game has potential to be painful but I'm hopeful for the other games.
A win on Saturday and a draw at Tynecastle would be enough to stop the melt downers melting down.

[PHeffernan]

Much sense in this post, we're not without hope and I would imagine we'll see some players coming in too.

I'm not so sure about Hearts finances making such a huge difference. They've been spending more money than Hibs for most of the past 40 years and have never been able to pull away from the pack for any length of time. A well run Hibs, with a proper footballing structure can still have an impact. Gordon, for all that the playing side has been deeply inconsistent, has presided over two cup finals and a third place finish. The income generated by the current commercial developments will assist.

I see Hibs as an out of focus camera.
With the injured players back we can now start performing consistantly better and at least beat the smallest 7 teams starting on Saturday. Most of the current doom was caused by losing to St Johnstone, Ross County and Kilmarnock.

As for Hearts, for me there has been a significant change in their financial uplift.
Between UEFA money, Foundation of Hearts money, Benfactor Anderson money and 40 % higher season ticket sales than Hibs i reckon they are going to move ahead.
Their team is still about the same quality as ours but their poorest players are out of contract in the summer. With the money they have now and moving forward I see them replacing them with much better players in the summer and sustaining that year on year.

There is one shot to stop them.
We could beat them in the Cup and avoid the OF until the final and take the European place.
That would be class.

[bringbackbenny]

I see Hibs as an out of focus camera.
With the injured players back we can now start performing consistantly better and at least beat the smallest 7 teams starting on Saturday. Most of the current doom was caused by losing to St Johnstone, Ross County and Kilmarnock.

As for Hearts, for me there has been a significant change in their financial uplift.
Between UEFA money, Foundation of Hearts money, Benfactor Anderson money and 40 % higher season ticket sales than Hibs i reckon they are going to move ahead.
Their team is still about the same quality as ours but their poorest players are out of contract in the summer. With the money they have now and moving forward I see them replacing them with much better players in the summer and sustaining that year on year.

There is one shot to stop them.
We could beat them in the Cup and avoid the OF until the final and take the European place.
That would be class.

I think losing the final makes no difference to qualifying for Europe. Lose you get nothing and, if the Cup winner is already in Europe via league placing, the cup winners place goes to 3rd in the league.

[Stuart93]

I see Hibs as an out of focus camera.
With the injured players back we can now start performing consistantly better and at least beat the smallest 7 teams starting on Saturday. Most of the current doom was caused by losing to St Johnstone, Ross County and Kilmarnock.

As for Hearts, for me there has been a significant change in their financial uplift.
Between UEFA money, Foundation of Hearts money, Benfactor Anderson money and 40 % higher season ticket sales than Hibs i reckon they are going to move ahead.
Their team is still about the same quality as ours but their poorest players are out of contract in the summer. With the money they have now and moving forward I see them replacing them with much better players in the summer and sustaining that year on year.

There is one shot to stop them.
We could beat them in the Cup and avoid the OF until the final and take the European place.
That would be class.

The interesting thing about hearts’ finances though is that without benefactor money, despite all their other revenue streams, they’d still be making a loss.

I’d be very surprised if Anderson pumps his money in forever. Especially at the current level

[Squealing pig]

There’s a guy from Patrick who I’m sure plays left mid every time I’ve seen him looks quality , tiffoney

[Feed McGraw]

There’s a guy from Patrick who I’m sure plays left mid every time I’ve seen him looks quality , tiffoney Very good player, would like to see him at Hibs.

[Sioux]

defenders who cost more than 400k

Is that a constant for every team in the league. If not, what's your point?

[basehibby]

There’s a guy from Patrick who I’m sure plays left mid every time I’ve seen him looks quality , tiffoney
I think you may be alone now... in rating him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think losing the final makes no difference to qualifying for Europe. Lose you get nothing and, if the Cup winner is already in Europe via league placing, the cup winners place goes to 3rd in the league.

That’s correct.

If you want that spot, you have to win the cup or finish third and hope the cup winner finished above you.

[Feed McGraw]

I think you may be alone now... in rating him. I see what you did there :greengrin

[Iain G]

There’s a guy from Patrick who I’m sure plays left mid every time I’ve seen him looks quality , tiffoney

I think he's on loan now?

[Iain G]

I think you may be alone now... in rating him.

I should read on before posting...there didn't seem to be any one around 🤣

[HibbyAndy]

I think you may be alone now... in rating him.


I think he's on loan now?


Cmon children behave

[Hibbyradge]

I think he's on loan now?

:applause:

[McD]

I think you may be alone now... in rating him.


I think he's on loan now?


I should read on before posting...there didn't seem to be any one around 🤣


Cmon children behave


:faf::top marks

[SHODAN]

That's the final straw, I'm deactivating my account.

[JammyDoidger]

Motherwell sign CB Shane Blaney from Sligo Rovers.

Sure that's the boy that scored a raker v them in Europe.

[McGruber]

The best players cost more than £400k and are on more than £4k a week.
There is a massive disconnect with what level of club Hibs supporters think we are and what level we really are.
For me Hearts finances will from now see them as the third force in Scottish football.
They won't get near the top 2 but will leave us trailing. It's down to nothing more than money.

We have badly missed Nisbets striking ability and I think we have some decent players around him now which we didn't have before he sustained his injury.
He is as good a striker as we can hope to have.
The poor recent results were achieved without him, Magennis and McGeady.
For me they will make a big difference moving forward if they stay fit and if given the chance McKirdy could start firing against Livingston.

Some good points - but who is going to be seventh force in Scottish football?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I see Hibs as an out of focus camera.
With the injured players back we can now start performing consistantly better and at least beat the smallest 7 teams starting on Saturday. Most of the current doom was caused by losing to St Johnstone, Ross County and Kilmarnock.

As for Hearts, for me there has been a significant change in their financial uplift.
Between UEFA money, Foundation of Hearts money, Benfactor Anderson money and 40 % higher season ticket sales than Hibs i reckon they are going to move ahead.
Their team is still about the same quality as ours but their poorest players are out of contract in the summer. With the money they have now and moving forward I see them replacing them with much better players in the summer and sustaining that year on year.

There is one shot to stop them.
We could beat them in the Cup and avoid the OF until the final and take the European place.
That would be class.

Just to be clear I’m not pinning the blame on Magennis for this, but our poor run didn’t come without Magennis, in fact it almost started the minute he got back fit.

[hibsforeurope]

Just to be clear I’m not pinning the blame on Magennis for this, but our poor run didn’t come without Magennis, in fact it almost started the minute he got back fit.

When the formation changed to fit him in.

we needed to find a way to get him in the team but probably not the right way about it.

[CapitalGreen]

When the formation changed to fit him in.

we needed to find a way to get him in the team but probably not the right way about it.

Magennis didn’t start in the defeats to Dundee Utd, Kilmarnock or Ross County and we were beating St Johnstone until his sending off.

The other 3 defeats in this run have been away to the best 3 teams in the league (Magennis didn’t start in the worst of these against Celtic).

Our formation changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 during half time at Celtic Park, both of which use 3 central midfielders so I’m not sure how the formation change was done to accommodate Magennis.

[hibsforeurope]

Magennis didn’t start in the defeats to Dundee Utd, Kilmarnock or Ross County and we were beating St Johnstone until his sending off.

The other 3 defeats in this run have been away to the best 3 teams in the league (Magennis didn’t start in the worst of these against Celtic).

Our formation changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 during half time at Celtic Park, both of which use 3 central midfielders so I’m not sure how the formation change was done to accommodate Magennis.

I didn't recall exactly when Magennis returned, was just commenting on the previous comment.

[Brightside]

There’s a guy from Patrick who I’m sure plays left mid every time I’ve seen him looks quality , tiffoney

Hes a good pal of some of our players.

[brog]

Hes a good pal of some of our players.

Always liked him, looks an unlikely winger but can beat a man and also score. Reminds me a bit of Ted McMinn.

[Iain G]

So we now know from his interview that we first approached McKirdy when Maloney was still at Hibs...interesting!

[eastmainsmsh]

So we now know from his interview that we first approached McKirdy when Maloney was still at Hibs...interesting!

Did Maloney not negotiate the initial signings for Marshall and McGeady prior to Lee Johnson arrival

[Iain G]

Did Maloney not negotiate the initial signings for Marshall and McGeady prior to Lee Johnson arrival

It sounds like they were both approached / lined up under Maloney. Certainly the Marshall signing was in place, subject to the new manager saying yes.

[Hibees1973]

So we now know from his interview that we first approached McKirdy when Maloney was still at Hibs...interesting!

Just proves that Ron's son's paws are all over many of the poor signings we have made.

[HoboHarry]

Just proves that Ron's son's paws are all over many of the poor signings we have made.
No it doesn't unless you can prove that Maloney or Caldwell didn't start the process. I'd put my money on Caldwell knowing about him first....

[PHeffernan]

There’s a guy from Patrick who I’m sure plays left mid every time I’ve seen him looks quality , tiffoney

Scott Tiffoney?
He was with Livingston in the top league but struggled to make an impression.
Has subsequently played well in the Championship.
So it's the usual can he cut it in the top league question.

[PHeffernan]

I think losing the final makes no difference to qualifying for Europe. Lose you get nothing and, if the Cup winner is already in Europe via league placing, the cup winners place goes to 3rd in the league.

Damn, I feared that might be the case.
Pretty much means it will go to 3rd place every season which Hearts are a stick on for.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No it doesn't unless you can prove that Maloney or Caldwell didn't start the process. I'd put my money on Caldwell knowing about him first....

And who carried the interest on if Maloney wasn’t here to do so?

[HoboHarry]

And who carried the interest on if Maloney wasn’t here to do so?
You think that they shouldn't tell an incoming manager about what irons are currently in the fire? Or do you believe LJ was told this is what you are getting - get with it or get out? Seriously?

[Paulie Walnuts]

You think that they shouldn't tell an incoming manager about what irons are currently in the fire? Or do you believe LJ was told this is what you are getting - get with it or get out? Seriously?

You said it doesn’t show that Ian Gordon’s paws are all over it. If the head of recruitment didn’t carry on the interest in recruiting these players then who did?

I think the odds of LJ coming in and deciding he wanted all these guys that Maloney had already started the work on rather than getting his own guys in are slim.

I fully expect that’s what managers are being told at Easter Road to a fairly large degree - the recruitment team will be signing the players and you’ll get a tune out of them. There’s not a chance in hell Maloney came in to his first managerial job, taking over a **** show and went “aye, I should manage to make a good fist of this with Melkersen, Hauge, Jasper, Delferriere now that you’ve got rid of the player that carried the whole team” much the same as I don’t believe for a second that LJ would have went with the squad he was given in the summer.

Going with the squad at the end of the last two windows would have been managerial suicide from two different managers in a row. We’re watching the same midfield get a third manager in a year sacked, something most fans could see coming a mile off. Forgive me for thinking they actually weren’t stupid enough to want to go with the awful squads they’ve been given.

[Scorrie]

Scott Tiffoney?
He was with Livingston in the top league but struggled to make an impression.
Has subsequently played well in the Championship.
So it's the usual can he cut it in the top league question.

Yep good question but sometimes a player needs to step down to then step up. Stephen Dobbie is a good example of that.

[McGruber]

Damn, I feared that might be the case.
Pretty much means it will go to 3rd place every season which Hearts are a stick on for.

What a crock of ***** - a stick on. How many times in the last 6 years?.. once. Most relegated team in the top flight.
They have more money coming through the door but they'll squander it as per usual or more likey be a select few that line their pocket. Hearts and finances aren't a great mix.

[Trinity Hibee]

You think that they shouldn't tell an incoming manager about what irons are currently in the fire? Or do you believe LJ was told this is what you are getting - get with it or get out? Seriously?

What’s your theory then? As has been pointed out, fans have seen for a couple of years where our weaknesses lie. Are you trying to say that 3 managers haven’t seen those areas too? Something stinks around recruitment and there has only been one constant over the past couple of years. LJ has said he needs to move quite a few on which again suggests he didn’t want some of these players that came in during the summer.

[superfurryhibby]

Damn, I feared that might be the case.
Pretty much means it will go to 3rd place every season which Hearts are a stick on for.

You keep saying this.

Based on what? As I pointed out to you, they have been spending more money than any other team outside the OF for decades and have never become the turd force.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Noticed when I was reading back through the statement from when Bojang signed that Ian Gordon said that “ His data matches the positional profile that Lee Johnson wants from his attacking players”.

Our signings have certainly had a feel of being extremely stat and data driven.

[Trinity Hibee]

You keep saying this.

Based on what? As I pointed out to you, they have been spending more money than any other team outside the OF for decades and have never become the turd force.

I think it probably helps they are now getting guaranteed European money each season. Allows them to sign better quality earlier and gives them £3-4m a season nevermind the additional money that comes with playing European football. SPFL won’t have guaranteed group stages forever though so it might last a few years then it will revert back to the usual routine

[McGruber]

I think it probably helps they are now getting guaranteed European money each season. Allows them to sign better quality earlier and gives them £3-4m a season nevermind the additional money that comes with playing European football. SPFL won’t have guaranteed group stages forever though so it might last a few years then it will revert back to the usual routine

More *****. How many times have they qualified for Europe in the last 10 years. 'Guaranteed', have a word.

[Trinity Hibee]

More *****. How many times have they qualified for Europe in the last 10 years. 'Guaranteed', have a word.

They got it last year and would appear to have it this season too the way things are going. The money makes the gap wider. They have a better recruitment system than us at the moment which is the big difference. One thing we can say is that we are nowhere near europe which is all that really matters.

[CapitalGreen]

Noticed when I was reading back through the statement from when Bojang signed that Ian Gordon said that “ His data matches the positional profile that Lee Johnson wants from his attacking players”.

Our signings have certainly had a feel of being extremely stat and data driven.

Of course they are, we don’t send folk to Europe to watch players in person. Our scouting is pretty much solely done on laptops by Calvin Charlton and a bunch of other Sports Science graduates.

[erin go bragh]

Damn, I feared that might be the case.
Pretty much means it will go to 3rd place every season which Hearts are a stick on for.

Hardly a stick on and once we give them a new year thrashing 😁

[hibsforeurope]

Noticed when I was reading back through the statement from when Bojang signed that Ian Gordon said that “ His data matches the positional profile that Lee Johnson wants from his attacking players”.

Our signings have certainly had a feel of being extremely stat and data driven.

Names from an agency list, Hibs check their data/stats then recommend to the committee/LJ to make a decision on signing. At no point do we see these players in person or get a gauge on their personality to fit in with our squad etc until they arrive at HTC/ER.

[HendoDelivered]

Names from an agency list, Hibs check their data/stats then recommend to the committee/LJ to make a decision on signing. At no point do we see these players in person or get a gauge on their personality to fit in with our squad etc until they arrive at HTC/ER.

Sounds like a bit of a stab in the dark approach…

[WhileTheChief..]

I fully expect that’s what managers are being told at Easter Road to a fairly large degree - the recruitment team will be signing the players and you’ll get a tune out of them. There’s not a chance in hell Maloney came in to his first managerial job, taking over a **** show and went “aye, I should manage to make a good fist of this with Melkersen, Hauge, Jasper, Delferriere now that you’ve got rid of the player that carried the whole team” much the same as I don’t believe for a second that LJ would have went with the squad he was given in the summer.



:top marksExcellent post.

Our hope is that RG admits he's been getting it horribly wrong and changes things in a few days time!

[B.H.F.C]

:top marksExcellent post.

Our hope is that RG admits he's been getting it horribly wrong and changes things in a few days time!

I don’t think there is anything different being done at Hibs in comparison to other clubs in terms of relationship between recruitment team and manager. The people occupying the position(s) just seem to be under qualified and not very good.

If you’re expecting us to change the way we go about things, you’ll be disappointed I think.

[brog]

Names from an agency list, Hibs check their data/stats then recommend to the committee/LJ to make a decision on signing. At no point do we see these players in person or get a gauge on their personality to fit in with our squad etc until they arrive at HTC/ER.

That's pretty much the framework of a model used by every club. However I would suggest there's usually at least 1 stage in between either the data/stats and the recommendation and/or between the recommendation and the arrival at HTC/ER of a player. There's still plenty of due diligence done especially with regard to personality of the player. Do you seriously not think we knew McKirdy was a bit of a radge before he arrived?

[chippy]

Names from an agency list, Hibs check their data/stats then recommend to the committee/LJ to make a decision on signing. At no point do we see these players in person or get a gauge on their personality to fit in with our squad etc until they arrive at HTC/ER.

Say the agency staff are Huns or jamboids ?

[hibsforeurope]

That's pretty much the framework of a model used by every club. However I would suggest there's usually at least 1 stage in between either the data/stats and the recommendation and/or between the recommendation and the arrival at HTC/ER of a player. There's still plenty of due diligence done especially with regard to personality of the player. Do you seriously not think we knew McKirdy was a bit of a radge before he arrived?

McKirdy's a bit different he was playing in a league fairly close to home, and one that our manager came from. we won't have seen anything other than data on those further afield.

[Unseen work]

I don’t think there is anything different being done at Hibs in comparison to other clubs in terms of relationship between recruitment team and manager. The people occupying the position(s) just seem to be under qualified and not very good.

If you’re expecting us to change the way we go about things, you’ll be disappointed I think.

100%

It would be the same if we got a director of football too, the difference is the type of player they target.

[hibsforeurope]

100%

It would be the same if we got a director of football too, the difference is the type of player they target.

Having a DOF, if done right, would stop the need for a complete rebuild every time we sack a manager. they would set the tone for the football department and players/managers fit in with that to give continuity.

[McGruber]

They got it last year and would appear to have it this season too the way things are going. The money makes the gap wider. They have a better recruitment system than us at the moment which is the big difference. One thing we can say is that we are nowhere near europe which is all that really matters.

We aren't near it just now no and yes that's all that matters. Poppy thieves are hardly 15 points clear in 3rd though either are they. You could throw a blanket over about 8 teams

[brog]

Having a DOF, if done right, would stop the need for a complete rebuild every time we sack a manager. they would set the tone for the football department and players/managers fit in with that to give continuity.

A DOF is only as good as the person filling that position. Ask The Rangers fans if they think a DOF is a perfect solution.

[hibsforeurope]

A DOF is only as good as the person filling that position. Ask The Rangers fans if they think a DOF is a perfect solution.

Ross Wilson was the best thing since Sliced bread (or Veg if you're Jack Grealish) when they were winning the league under Slippy.

I'd much rather have a football minded DOF making decisions than what we have currently.

[HoboHarry]

Ross Wilson was the best thing since Sliced bread (or Veg if you're Jack Grealish) when they were winning the league under Slippy.

I'd much rather have a football minded DOF making decisions than what we have currently.
Everyone is great when the team is winning, just like everyone is s***e when the team is losing. Hibs.net FACT.

[Hibiza]

Everyone is great when the team is winning, just like everyone is s***e when the team is losing. Hibs.net FACT.

Diff though Harry, when you can see the ineptitude of our team weey after week.

[Heisenberg]

Bologna offer Josh Doig swap deal

Bologna have offered two players as a swap deal for Scotland Under 21s captain Josh Doig as they bid to sign the Verona star next week.

The former Hibs defender has been a stand-out for Verona since his summer move and attracted serious interest from several Serie A sides incluiding Napoli, Atalanta and Roma.

But Bologna - who also have fellow Scotland squad member Lewis Ferguson in their ranks - have become the first club to make an official move.

They have offered to do a swap deal with Verona which would see Doig move there and strikers Emanuel Vignato and Nicola Sansone move in the opposite direction.

Verona put a price tag of £6 million on Doig, with Hibs due a percentage of any sell-on fee.

But the Easter Road club will be hoping the swap deal doesn't go through as they would miss out on a sizeable financial windfall.


Is this not incorrect? I thought in these circumstances we’d receive a payment based on what the swapped players are worth?

[B.H.F.C]

Bologna offer Josh Doig swap deal

Bologna have offered two players as a swap deal for Scotland Under 21s captain Josh Doig as they bid to sign the Verona star next week.

The former Hibs defender has been a stand-out for Verona since his summer move and attracted serious interest from several Serie A sides incluiding Napoli, Atalanta and Roma.

But Bologna - who also have fellow Scotland squad member Lewis Ferguson in their ranks - have become the first club to make an official move.

They have offered to do a swap deal with Verona which would see Doig move there and strikers Emanuel Vignato and Nicola Sansone move in the opposite direction.

Verona put a price tag of £6 million on Doig, with Hibs due a percentage of any sell-on fee.

But the Easter Road club will be hoping the swap deal doesn't go through as they would miss out on a sizeable financial windfall.


Is this not incorrect? I thought in these circumstances we’d receive a payment based on what the swapped players are worth?

I’ve seen it mentioned before but I’ve no idea if it’s actually true. You’d think you’d have to put something in the contract from a legal point of view to protect yourself from this type of scenario. Otherwise, who decides what the value of the players is?

[FitbaFolkKen]

Names from an agency list, Hibs check their data/stats then recommend to the committee/LJ to make a decision on signing. At no point do we see these players in person or get a gauge on their personality to fit in with our squad etc until they arrive at HTC/ER.

If this is the case would it not explain signing the players on loan with an agreed option to buy. Bojang a year loan(trial) with the option to buy.

That allows us to see if they can step up and adapt to living in Scotland.


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[Callum_62]

Bologna offer Josh Doig swap deal

Bologna have offered two players as a swap deal for Scotland Under 21s captain Josh Doig as they bid to sign the Verona star next week.

The former Hibs defender has been a stand-out for Verona since his summer move and attracted serious interest from several Serie A sides incluiding Napoli, Atalanta and Roma.

But Bologna - who also have fellow Scotland squad member Lewis Ferguson in their ranks - have become the first club to make an official move.

They have offered to do a swap deal with Verona which would see Doig move there and strikers Emanuel Vignato and Nicola Sansone move in the opposite direction.

Verona put a price tag of £6 million on Doig, with Hibs due a percentage of any sell-on fee.

But the Easter Road club will be hoping the swap deal doesn't go through as they would miss out on a sizeable financial windfall.


Is this not incorrect? I thought in these circumstances we’d receive a payment based on what the swapped players are worth?Yes, I believe the press report is not factual

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[JimBHibees]

Yes, I believe the press report is not factual

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Pretty sure there would need to be a value set on the player in this situation

[bigwheel]

Pretty sure there would need to be a value set on the player in this situation

Do you think ? That would mean the club having to pay us money, even when they didn’t receive any. Can’t see that tbh

[Brightside]

Do you think ? That would mean the club having to pay us money, even when they didn’t receive any. Can’t see that tbh

But they are receiving assets of value. That’s how it works.

[SMAXXA]

But they are receiving assets of value. That’s how it works.

Correct

[SMAXXA]

Names from an agency list, Hibs check their data/stats then recommend to the committee/LJ to make a decision on signing. At no point do we see these players in person or get a gauge on their personality to fit in with our squad etc until they arrive at HTC/ER.

That’s not entirely true though is it

[JimBHibees]

But they are receiving assets of value. That’s how it works.

Absolutely

[B.H.F.C]

Do you think ? That would mean the club having to pay us money, even when they didn’t receive any. Can’t see that tbh

Aye agree with this. I don’t see who or how any payment would/could be enforced (unless there is some type of contractual agreement in there specifically relating to a player trade as opposed to a fee being received) or who determines what the value is.

[Brightside]

Aye agree with this. I don’t see who or how any payment would/could be enforced (unless there is some type of contractual agreement in there specifically relating to a player trade as opposed to a fee being received) or who determines what the value is.

The governing body

[B.H.F.C]

The governing body

Would be interested to know of any similar examples of this, where it’s went to FIFA and they’ve ruled a team should be awarded X amount on the back of a player swap between two other teams. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it before.

[CropleyWasGod]

Aye agree with this. I don’t see who or how any payment would/could be enforced (unless there is some type of contractual agreement in there specifically relating to a player trade as opposed to a fee being received) or who determines what the value is.

There are 2 (or perhaps more) transactions, each relating to the transfer of the registration of the players involved. Those separate transactions are necessary for regulatory, VAT, probably insurance, reasons. Each transaction has a value.

The monetary value of each may cancel them out, so that no cash changes hands. However, any sell-on fee must be based on the relevant transaction.

[Northernhibee]

If this is the case would it not explain signing the players on loan with an agreed option to buy. Bojang a year loan(trial) with the option to buy.

That allows us to see if they can step up and adapt to living in Scotland.


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A recruitment department is there to examine every aspect of a potential signing. Although it’s not possible to completely predict something like this, character, personality, and the like are part of it.

Having said that, the fact that the ability that Bojang has (or in this case lacks) should have been where that particular bit of scouting started and finished. Like Chris Mueller, it’s exhibit A for how awful our recruitment at the squad is.

[ancient hibee]

The selling club says we want six million. The buying club will say that these players are worth six million. If the selling club agrees the deal goes through as worth six million.

[Tyler Durden]

I don’t think we need to worry re Doig as Verona are not going to accept that offer.

[JamesHFC]

Saw that Charles-Cook scored tonight in Belgium, got a goal in his last game for them too. A player I think would have been signed if Maloney stayed.

[IberianHibernian]

A recruitment department is there to examine every aspect of a potential signing. Although it’s not possible to completely predict something like this, character, personality, and the like are part of it.

Having said that, the fact that the ability that Bojang has (or in this case lacks) should have been where that particular bit of scouting started and finished. Like Chris Mueller, it’s exhibit A for how awful our recruitment at the squad is.I thought that Bojang was only signed on a maximum 1 year contract . He did show promise in the few games he got a chance which is what most of us will be basing his performance on . I say most and not all because coaches will have had a chance to judge his ability on what they see in training sessions and some fans will judge him on those few minutes he played in . I wish him well anyway and am glad our recruiting team looked further afield for signing .
As for Mueller , was he such a bad signing ? I actually thought he looked like a player who could have made an impact with time .

[andrew70]

That’s not entirely true though is it

It’s not remotely true.

Complete nonsense.

[Donegal Hibby]

Read that Waterford Utd were trying to sign Griffiths.

[SMAXXA]

It’s not remotely true.

Complete nonsense.

Yeah I know I was trying to be diplomatic 😂

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s not remotely true.

Complete nonsense.

Ian Gordon indicated that Bojang was a match with data/stats for what LJ was looking for. “ His data matches the positional profile that Lee Johnson wants from his attacking players”.

So it certainly is remotely true. Whether we never see these players at all I don’t think any of us know, but considering we binned all our scouts I would be very surprised if we’d have ever watched guys like Bojang, Tavares, Melkersen, Hauge, Delferriere etc in person.

[worcesterhibby]

Ian Gordon indicated that Bojang was a match with data/stats for what LJ was looking for. So it certainly is remotely true.

Hibs sign one of "the usual suspects" from StMirren, Kilmarnock or Raith and the forum is full of people demanding that we "cast our net wider" and look at more exciting options...Hibs start signing players from the English leagues and are then accused of buying "2nd rate rubbish who think they're going to skoosh the Scottish league"....Hibs sign exciting young prospects from countries across Europe....this place goes into meltdown if they don't hit the ground running and have us challenging for the league in their first 6 months. The lack of self awareness from the majority of posters on here is hilarious.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hibs sign one of "the usual suspects" from StMirren, Kilmarnock or Raith and the forum is full of people demanding that we "cast our net wider" and look at more exciting options...Hibs start signing players from the English leagues and are then accused of buying "2nd rate rubbish who think they're going to skoosh the Scottish league"....Hibs sign exciting young prospects from countries across Europe....this place goes into meltdown if they don't hit the ground running and gave us challenging for the league in their first 6 months. The lack of self awareness from the majority of posters on here is hilarious.

None of the youngsters I’ve seen us sign look anything close to exciting. If they came in and were exciting you’d maybe have more of a point. As it stands theyve been absolutely terrible And given us nothing to be excited about.

Our team that won the cup was pretty much exclusively made up of players that are Scottish and/or came from the lower leagues in England. The fans had a real affinity with that team. Fans don’t care where the players come from as long as they’re good.

[OldEast]

Hibs sign one of "the usual suspects" from StMirren, Kilmarnock or Raith and the forum is full of people demanding that we "cast our net wider" and look at more exciting options...Hibs start signing players from the English leagues and are then accused of buying "2nd rate rubbish who think they're going to skoosh the Scottish league"....Hibs sign exciting young prospects from countries across Europe....this place goes into meltdown if they don't hit the ground running and have us challenging for the league in their first 6 months. The lack of self awareness from the majority of posters on here is hilarious.

Maybe signing 3 or 4 players ready to "hit the ground running" would placate those you ridicule

[worcesterhibby]

None of the youngsters I’ve seen us sign look anything close to exciting. If they came in and were exciting you’d maybe have more of a point. As it stands theyve been absolutely terrible And given us nothing to be excited about.

I disagree, I'm still excited by the prospects offered by the likes of Melkerson, Youan and Kenneh, I just have more patience than you. We've been hampered badly by poor referees and VAR that has made things worse, not better. The team needs support and positivity from the fans, not abuse. ImHO

[worcesterhibby]

Maybe signing 3 or 4 players ready to "hit the ground running" would placate those you ridicule

What like Marshall, Boyle and Cabraja ?

[BSEJVT]

I thought that Bojang was only signed on a maximum 1 year contract . He did show promise in the few games he got a chance which is what most of us will be basing his performance on . I say most and not all because coaches will have had a chance to judge his ability on what they see in training sessions and some fans will judge him on those few minutes he played in . I wish him well anyway and am glad our recruiting team looked further afield for signing .
As for Mueller , was he such a bad signing ? I actually thought he looked like a player who could have made an impact with time .

Mueller was absolutely terrible, so far of it, it was incredible.

[Winston Ingram]

Hibs sign one of "the usual suspects" from StMirren, Kilmarnock or Raith and the forum is full of people demanding that we "cast our net wider" and look at more exciting options...Hibs start signing players from the English leagues and are then accused of buying "2nd rate rubbish who think they're going to skoosh the Scottish league"....Hibs sign exciting young prospects from countries across Europe....this place goes into meltdown if they don't hit the ground running and have us challenging for the league in their first 6 months. The lack of self awareness from the majority of posters on here is hilarious.

People are rightly annoyed about blowing our budget on these players when our 1st team squad is rank rotten and in dire need of upgrades.

[JimBHibees]

I disagree, I'm still excited by the prospects offered by the likes of Melkerson, Youan and Kenneh, I just have more patience than you. We've been hampered badly by poor referees and VAR that has made things worse, not better. The team needs support and positivity from the fans, not abuse. ImHO

Totally agree we have regularly got the wrong end of game changing decisions imo. Off the top of my head St J, Killie, Sheep, Gers. Our reaction to them have been poor though no doubt.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I disagree, I'm still excited by the prospects offered by the likes of Melkerson, Youan and Kenneh, I just have more patience than you. We've been hampered badly by poor referees and VAR that has made things worse, not better. The team needs support and positivity from the fans, not abuse. ImHO

We’ll have to massively agree to disagree if you think our issues lie with refs and VAR.

[JimBHibees]

We’ll have to massively agree to disagree if you think our issues lie with refs and VAR.

Absolutely a factor though.

[worcesterhibby]

People are rightly annoyed about blowing our budget on these players when our 1st team squad is rank rotten and in dire need of upgrades.

Fans have a right to feel frustrated that we are losing games by fine margins, having poor refereeing decisions go against us and that we have lost key players to injuries..I personally feel they have less right to constantly berate young players trying to establish themselves in a new team, league and Country. I read people on here demanding that we have a winning mentality..that requires positivity, positivity leads to success, too many on here seem to revel in negativity and knocking the club at every opportunity.

[worcesterhibby]

Absolutely a factor though.

Correct, not the whole problem by any means, but a big factor in our current terrible run of results. Decisions have robbed us of a couple of much needed wins,bwhich would in turn have given the squad confidence and put us much higher up the league..if we had an extra 6 points, it would all look very different

[JimBHibees]

Correct, not the whole problem by any means, but a big factor in our current terrible run of results. Decisions have robbed us of a couple of much needed wins,bwhich would in turn have given the squad confidence and put us much higher up the league..if we had an extra 6 points, it would all look very different

Absolutely even a couple of draws changes the perspective. Screaming out for a win today that is for sure.

[S4uzee]

Hibs sign one of "the usual suspects" from StMirren, Kilmarnock or Raith and the forum is full of people demanding that we "cast our net wider" and look at more exciting options...Hibs start signing players from the English leagues and are then accused of buying "2nd rate rubbish who think they're going to skoosh the Scottish league"....Hibs sign exciting young prospects from countries across Europe....this place goes into meltdown if they don't hit the ground running and have us challenging for the league in their first 6 months. The lack of self awareness from the majority of posters on here is hilarious.

Thing is, they’re not exactly “exciting young prospects” are they?

[B.H.F.C]

Fans have a right to feel frustrated that we are losing games by fine margins, having poor refereeing decisions go against us and that we have lost key players to injuries..I personally feel they have less right to constantly berate young players trying to establish themselves in a new team, league and Country. I read people on here demanding that we have a winning mentality..that requires positivity, positivity leads to success, too many on here seem to revel in negativity and knocking the club at every opportunity.

I don’t see young players continually being berated. There might be comment on their abilities but it’s the club taking the majority of the stick for their approach rather than the players themselves IMO. It’s hard to be positive when you’ve seen the same mistakes repeated three windows on the trot.

[worcesterhibby]

I don’t see young players continually being berated. There might be comment on their abilities but it’s the club taking the majority of the stick for their approach rather than the players themselves IMO. It’s hard to be positive when you’ve seen the same mistakes repeated three windows on the trot.

You obviously don't follow the comments they receive on their social media then. I never suggested being positive when your on a losing run is easy..but it's whats needed, it's what the players feed off. As a support it's how we can help.

[WhileTheChief..]

Hibs sign one of "the usual suspects" from StMirren, Kilmarnock or Raith and the forum is full of people demanding that we "cast our net wider" and look at more exciting options...Hibs start signing players from the English leagues and are then accused of buying "2nd rate rubbish who think they're going to skoosh the Scottish league"....Hibs sign exciting young prospects from countries across Europe....this place goes into meltdown if they don't hit the ground running and have us challenging for the league in their first 6 months. The lack of self awareness from the majority of posters on here is hilarious.

That's not remotely true at all.

I'' bet you can't find one post from the last 10 years saying we need to look abroad for players instead of in Scotland.

It's RG, and RG alone who wanted to look further afield. He's mentioned it in numerous interviews since he arrived.

You've swallowed his BS and accepted it as fact.

Nobody expects us to win the league. Total made up nonsense on your part.

[B.H.F.C]

You obviously don't follow the comments they receive on their social media then. I never suggested being positive when your on a losing run is easy..but it's whats needed, it's what the players feed off. As a support it's how we can help.

No but I see the support they receive weekly at games. Lack of support for our players is the least of the issues we have.

[Stuart93]

No but I see the support they receive weekly at games. Lack of support for our players is the least of the issues we have.

Aye but it’s easier to try and blame the fans as oppose to those at the club not doing their job correctly

As for “exciting young prospects”…who?

[Paulie Walnuts]

You obviously don't follow the comments they receive on their social media then. I never suggested being positive when your on a losing run is easy..but it's whats needed, it's what the players feed off. As a support it's how we can help.

The support this season at games has been exceptional. The players have followed it up by letting us down time after time.

[Smartie]

I don't think anyone really cares where the players come from, as long as they improve our team.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if we were clear in third, whether we were carried there by continuous pillaging of St Mirren, by exotic arrivals from Rainbow FC or a combination of both.

Questions, correctly, get asked when you fill the squad with players not yet ready to make an impact at first team level, irrespective of where they came from.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think anyone really cares where the players come from, as long as they improve our team.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if we were clear in third, whether we were carried there by continuous pillaging of St Mirren, by exotic arrivals from Rainbow FC or a combination of both.

Questions, correctly, get asked when you fill the squad with players not yet ready to make an impact at first team level, irrespective of where they came from.

:agree:

[Tommy75]

I don't think anyone really cares where the players come from, as long as they improve our team.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if we were clear in third, whether we were carried there by continuous pillaging of St Mirren, by exotic arrivals from Rainbow FC or a combination of both.

Questions, correctly, get asked when you fill the squad with players not yet ready to make an impact at first team level, irrespective of where they came from.

No sure about that, when we were 3rd with Jack Ross we had folk moaning about the style of football.

[Stuart93]

I don't think anyone really cares where the players come from, as long as they improve our team.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if we were clear in third, whether we were carried there by continuous pillaging of St Mirren, by exotic arrivals from Rainbow FC or a combination of both.

Questions, correctly, get asked when you fill the squad with players not yet ready to make an impact at first team level, irrespective of where they came from.

But they’re exciting young prospects and hibs fans are just being negative. That’s why the players aren’t winning

[WhileTheChief..]

We get excuse after excise each week after our latest defeat.

At what time do we collectively accept that either our players, manager, or combination of both, aren't good enough?

To be talking about players settling in and needing time to adjust on Xmas Eve is madness.

[Iain G]

We get excuse after excise each week after our latest defeat.

At what time do we collectively accept that either our players, manager, or combination of both, aren't good enough?

To be talking about players settling in and needing time to adjust on Xmas Eve is madness.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/elie-youan-tells-hibs-fans-28806996

Not sure if it's been posted but direct from one of our new players and how he has needed time to adapt to the game here.

[Steven79]

A DOF is only as good as the person filling that position. Ask The Rangers fans if they think a DOF is a perfect solution.We would probably appoint Iain Gordon as DOF. [emoji1787]

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[neil7908]

I'd be a wee bit disappointed to see Doig only going for £6m. That will still give us a decent payday if reports of our sell on % are to be believed. But given how well he seems to have done, for Hibs I hope we get bidding war.

[Donegal Hibby]

Sorry if this already discussed but how would it work regarding bologna trying to swap two players for Doig , would we lose out ? Read a article that the two players they offered are Emanuel vignato and Nicola Sansone , according to transmarket Vignato is valued at 4.5 million and Sansone 1.5 million which is 6 million in total!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sorry if this already discussed but how would it work regarding bologna trying to swap two players for Doig , would we lose out ? Read a article that the two players they offered are Emanuel vignato and Nicola Sansone , according to transmarket Vignato is valued at 4.5 million and Sansone 1.5 million which is 6 million in total!

We would get our percentage based on the value of the players. So if they two are worth £6m we would get whatever the percentage we have of £6m.

This type of transfer is broken down from an accounting perspective into numerous transactions with a value. This value will be what is used to decide what Hibs get.

[Donegal Hibby]

We would get our percentage based on the value of the players. So if they two are worth £6m we would get whatever the percentage we have of £6m.

This type of transfer is broken down from an accounting perspective into numerous transactions with a value. This value will be what is used to decide what Hibs get.
Thanks 👍 , I had read this article and was beginning to get worried.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/josh-doig-subject-bologna-transfer-25826797

[bigwheel]

Thanks [emoji106] , I had read this article and was beginning to get worried.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/josh-doig-subject-bologna-transfer-25826797

I’m not sure we would get anything in the event of a swap deal ….suspect that article is right …

[blackpoolhibs]

Absolutely a factor though.

Yes a massive factor, coupled with having a team full of dross incapable of beating Ross County at home, Kilmarnock away, being pumped at Pittodrie, i could go on, is a huge factor in our league position.

[JimBHibees]

Yes a massive factor, coupled with having a team full of dross incapable of beating Ross County at home, Kilmarnock away, being pumped at Pittodrie, i could go on, is a huge factor in our league position.

Agree a bigger factor is performance however still a factor in tight games.

[Brightside]

Yes a massive factor, coupled with having a team full of dross incapable of beating Ross County at home, Kilmarnock away, being pumped at Pittodrie, i could go on, is a huge factor in our league position.

How were we able to win plenty at the start of the season?

[Brightside]

I’m not sure we would get anything in the event of a swap deal ….suspect that article is right …

The article is wrong.

[B.H.F.C]

How were we able to win plenty at the start of the season?

You mean the start of the season when we got knocked out of the league cup then won 1 of our first 5 in the league? Granted we had a good few weeks after that. Otherwise, it’s been dire.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How were we able to win plenty at the start of the season?

To be fair we won 4 in a row. Other than that run, we’ve been pish.

Knocked out the league cup, 1 win from our first 5 league games, then we had a 4 game run of wins which is looking like nothing more than luck now and now we’re on the run we’re on now.

We started the season appalingly and other than that 4 game spell that’s how it’s remained.

[Unseen work]

I don't think anyone really cares where the players come from, as long as they improve our team.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if we were clear in third, whether we were carried there by continuous pillaging of St Mirren, by exotic arrivals from Rainbow FC or a combination of both.

Questions, correctly, get asked when you fill the squad with players not yet ready to make an impact at first team level, irrespective of where they came from.

Thing is, people say this until it happens.

With Ross we were finishing third and getting to semi finals and finals yet people still weren’t happy.

Signing players from St Mirren, Drey Wright etc was just branded lazy and often cries for looking abroad for players and questions about what do the recruitment team even do.

We’ve clearly went too far the other way now and we need to strike a bit of a balance, but to say folk don’t care and it’s just about results is not true.

Soon then the style etc comes into play and folk find different things to be unhappy about.

[Stuart93]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/elie-youan-tells-hibs-fans-28806996

Not sure if it's been posted but direct from one of our new players and how he has needed time to adapt to the game here.

It doesn’t really make sense though. Youan started the season better than he is now. Is he adapting to the game and getting worse?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Thing is, people say this until it happens.

With Ross we were finishing third and getting to semi finals and finals yet people still weren’t happy.

Signing players from St Mirren, Drey Wright etc was just branded lazy and often cries for looking abroad for players and questions about what do the recruitment team even do.

We’ve clearly went too far the other way now and we need to strike a bit of a balance, but to say folk don’t care and it’s just about results is not true.

Soon then the style etc comes into play and folk find different things to be unhappy about.

You’re arguing a completely different thing to what has been discussed.

It was suggested that people didn’t like us signing Scottish players, English lower league players. Not that people only care about results. People want to watch an attacking, enjoyable to watch, winning Hibs team. It doesn’t matter where the players are signed from to achieve that.

People won’t be happy with crap signings whether they come from Kirkcaldy, Kidderminster or Kenya. Likewise people will be delighted with good signings whether they come from Kirkcaldy, Kidderminster or Kenya.

[Unseen work]

You’re arguing a completely different thing to what has been discussed.

It was suggested that people didn’t like us signing Scottish players, English lower league players. Not that people only care about results. People want to watch an attacking, enjoyable to watch, winning Hibs team. It doesn’t matter where the players are signed from to achieve that.

People won’t be happy with crap signings whether they come from Kirkcaldy, Kidderminster or Kenya. Likewise people will be delighted with good signings whether they come from Kirkcaldy, Kidderminster or Kenya.

Yeah in fairness I probably quoted the wrong post so apologies.

It is a lot harder to sign good players than some make out though. Some risks from abroad won’t work out, some will be good players that can’t adapt/not given the time to.

I just think a lot of fan bases seem the same in that they want what they don’t have. Whether that’s players that know the league or from abroad and then will want which ever one the club isn’t targeting

The point about fans not caring where they’re from is true to an extent, but there bunch that seemed to hate the thought of anymore st Mirren players signing, some then don’t think the thought of ex hearts etc

[brog]

Yes a massive factor, coupled with having a team full of dross incapable of beating Ross County at home, Kilmarnock away, being pumped at Pittodrie, i could go on, is a huge factor in our league position.

I thought our 1st half performance at Pittodrie was excellent, with the usual caveat that we failed to score. Aberdeen then get awarded a ludicrous penalty and the whole game changes. No excuse for us falling apart though. Killie away, again we dominated but another very soft penalty, Killie's only shot on target wins the game. Again we fail to score, albeit by a baw hair! Ross C at home, atrocious, but we've had a result like that, including recently against Ross C, most seasons. Again we fail to score, anyone spot a pattern here. We've lost Boyle but got Nisbet back, hopefully he can spark us to life.

[brog]

Yes a massive factor, coupled with having a team full of dross incapable of beating Ross County at home, Kilmarnock away, being pumped at Pittodrie, i could go on, is a huge factor in our league position.


I’m not sure we would get anything in the event of a swap deal ….suspect that article is right …


We will, it's not.

[WhileTheChief..]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/elie-youan-tells-hibs-fans-28806996

Not sure if it's been posted but direct from one of our new players and how he has needed time to adapt to the game here.

Just read it.

Same as you'll have read from dozens of players who couldn't hack it in Scotland over the years.

A couple of years form now we won't even remember him, along with a whole loads of players we've already forgotten about from the last 2 years!

He's added nothing to us so far, and I doubt we'll see much of him again.

[Scotty Leither]

Just read it.

Same as you'll have read from dozens of players who couldn't hack it in Scotland over the years.

A couple of years form now we won't even remember him, along with a whole loads of players we've already forgotten about from the last 2 years!

He's added nothing to us so far, and I doubt we'll see much of him again.

You’re bang on here…The laddie could make it easier to adapt by looking like he’s trying a leg instead of shrugging his shoulders and jogging back when he’s lost the ball and not working back either when the team’s out of possession.

I lost count of the amount of two on ones Cabraja faced at Ibrox because Youan was utterly anonymous in front of him.

If he doesn’t like the physical aspect of the game here, like Meuller before him, that maybe points to a flaw in our recruitment team not knowing their market of players that can cope with that side of the game in Scotland?

Just a thought…

[blackpoolhibs]

How were we able to win plenty at the start of the season?

Even a clock is right twice a day.

[blackpoolhibs]

I thought our 1st half performance at Pittodrie was excellent, with the usual caveat that we failed to score. Aberdeen then get awarded a ludicrous penalty and the whole game changes. No excuse for us falling apart though. Killie away, again we dominated but another very soft penalty, Killie's only shot on target wins the game. Again we fail to score, albeit by a baw hair! Ross C at home, atrocious, but we've had a result like that, including recently against Ross C, most seasons. Again we fail to score, anyone spot a pattern here. We've lost Boyle but got Nisbet back, hopefully he can spark us to life.
Are you not just a tad fed up of saying how well we played UNTIL, I know I am, and as we keep getting told, the league table does not lie. In fact LJ went out of his way to ask us to judge this team after 12-15 games, well I am.

[jeffers]

You’re bang on here…The laddie could make it easier to adapt by looking like he’s trying a leg instead of shrugging his shoulders and jogging back when he’s lost the ball and not working back either when the team’s out of possession.

I lost count of the amount of two on ones Cabraja faced at Ibrox because Youan was utterly anonymous in front of him.

If he doesn’t like the physical aspect of the game here, like Meuller before him, that maybe points to a flaw in our recruitment team not knowing their market of players that can cope with that side of the game in Scotland?

Just a thought…

Absolutely. His performance against the Huns was abysmal. Fans will forgive some things, but not a player who looks like he is making zero effort.

Agree with the other post about him saying he’s settled in now yet he was actually better when he’d just arrived and presumably unsettled.

[jeffers]

Are you not just a tad fed up of saying how well we played UNTIL, I know I am, and as we keep getting told, the league table does not lie. In fact LJ went out of his way to ask us to judge this team after 12-15 games, well I am.

:agree:

There’s always excuses with us. I’m confident fans of every other team in the league could give us reasons why they had picked up less points than they had.

[J-C]

Even a clock is right twice a day.


You mean a broken clock, a working clock is right all the time.:greengrin

[mcfly]

Doesn’t matter who we sign the manager will still play the same players who make the same mistakes every week.

We are a shambles - crowds will definitely start to drop rapidly if the board and manager don’t sort out this mess they created.

[MrRobot]

Doesn’t matter who we sign the manager will still play the same players who make the same mistakes every week.

We are a shambles - crowds will definitely start to drop rapidly if the board and manager don’t sort out this mess they created.

Good win today though eh? :dunno:

[Lago]

Just read it.

Same as you'll have read from dozens of players who couldn't hack it in Scotland over the years.

A couple of years form now we won't even remember him, along with a whole loads of players we've already forgotten about from the last 2 years!

He's added nothing to us so far, and I doubt we'll see much of him again.
Mmmm?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Mmmm?

He’d got progressively worse as the season went on so hardly tied in with someone who was ‘getting to grips’ with our league.

He was excellent today. If he continues like that he’ll be an excellent player for us. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t deserving of criticism before today though.

It’s almost like some folk struggle to comprehend that players will be praised when they play well and criticised when they don’t.

[SMAXXA]

He’d got progressively worse as the season went on so hardly tied in with someone who was ‘getting to grips’ with our league.

He was excellent today. If he continues like that he’ll be an excellent player for us. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t deserving of criticism before today though.

It’s almost like some folk struggle to comprehend that players will be praised when they play well and criticised when they don’t.

But that’s not what happens players are written off and thrown to the wolves when they don’t perform rather than isolated criticism as isolated praise should be given. There’s no middle ground with some people either ***** and get rid or good player but just waiting for them to go off the boil so they can throw them into the first category.

There is no doubt EY has ability it’s been his lack of consistency that’s been his issue which to shake criticism he needs to address. Was excellent today, isn’t that 3 assists in the last 2 games?

[B.H.F.C]

But that’s not what happens players are written off and thrown to the wolves when they don’t perform rather than isolated criticism as isolated praise should be given. There’s no middle ground with some people either ***** and get rid or good player but just waiting for them to go off the boil so they can throw them into the first category.

There is no doubt EY has ability it’s been his lack of consistency that’s been his issue which to shake criticism he needs to address. Was excellent today, isn’t that 3 assists in the last 2 games?

Two assists today. Nothing at Ibrox though.

[Lago]

:top marks
But that’s not what happens players are written off and thrown to the wolves when they don’t perform rather than isolated criticism as isolated praise should be given. There’s no middle ground with some people either ***** and get rid or good player but just waiting for them to go off the boil so they can throw them into the first category.

There is no doubt EY has ability it’s been his lack of consistency that’s been his issue which to shake criticism he needs to address. Was excellent today, isn’t that 3 assists in the last 2 games?

[SMAXXA]

Two assists today. Nothing at Ibrox though.

Yeah your right It was his shot tipped over the bar for the corner Porto scored from but Newell assist 👍

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah your right It was his shot tipped over the bar for the corner Porto scored from but Newell assist 👍

Incidentally, I thought he performance at Ibrox (missed chance aside) was decent. He was a threat and I didn’t quite get the level of criticism he got about how bad he was. Should have been hooked earlier as he was done though.

Wont play as well as he did today every week but needs to show the same level of intent. Was noticeably more direct whereas he’d become very slow and was regularly beating himself rather than a defender.

[Unseen work]

Incidentally, I thought he performance at Ibrox (missed chance aside) was decent. He was a threat and I didn’t quite get the level of criticism he got about how bad he was. Should have been hooked earlier as he was done though.

Wont play as well as he did today every week but needs to show the same level of intent. Was noticeably more direct whereas he’d become very slow and was regularly beating himself rather than a defender.

I said similar on a thread about his performance at Ibrox.

I watched the game back and second half he was our only threat imo and actually won the ball back with interceptions in quite a few occasions.

He also produced our best chance by himself - winning a header, getting on the end of it and driving to the byline before cutting it back which missed Nisbet by inches

[04Sauzee]

Window opens in a few days time and it's been fairly quiet with news on ins and Outs. Bojang will go, Porteous may go but other than that can't think of anything else happening?

[Jones28]

Window opens in a few days time and it's been fairly quiet with news on ins and Outs. Bojang will go, Porteous may go but other than that can't think of anything else happening?

Think Doidge will probably leave on a free.

There’s every chance Nisbet could go if the right offer comes in. He’s been smoking hot since he came back and there’s probably clubs looking.

[bingo70]

Think Doidge will probably leave on a free.

There’s every chance Nisbet could go if the right offer comes in. He’s been smoking hot since he came back and there’s probably clubs looking.

No way can we lose Boyle, Nisbet and Porteous from this team.

I think we’ll see a couple of young players in on loan from Premiership clubs but that’s it.

[Billy Whizz]

No way can we lose Boyle, Nisbet and Porteous from this team.

I think we’ll see a couple of young players in on loan from Premiership clubs but that’s it.

Reading St Mirren have accepted bids of around £350k, from 3 English clubs for Ethan Erhahon. He’s out of contract in May. Kind of gives Hibs a valuation on losing Ryan in January, will be a lot more than £350k

[bingo70]

Reading St Mirren have accepted bids of around £350k, from 3 English clubs for Ethan Erhahon. He’s out of contract in May. Kind of gives Hibs a valuation on losing Ryan in January, will be a lot more than £350k

I always liked that guy from St Mirren. Kind of hoped we may have been looking at making a move for him but not for that kind of money.

You’re right though, I suspect a starting point for Porto would be £500k plus add ons. Any less than that we are as well waiting until the summer.

[Billy Whizz]

I always liked that guy from St Mirren. Kind of hoped we may have been looking at making a move for him but not for that kind of money.

You’re right though, I suspect a starting point for Porto would be £500k plus add ons. Any less than that we are as well waiting until the summer.

I’ve always liked him too. Probably the sort of player we should have been looking at

[MWHIBBIES]

Hopefully Hibs have learned how ****ing stupid it is to let your best go in January from last season. Ryan Porteous should be staying, end off. Finish 3rd win the cup he probably stays anyway.

[bingo70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/transfer-news-live-celtic-rangers-28815548

Joao Balde’s loan move to east Fife been cut short so he can go on loan to the championship instead. Sounds like he’s done well and this could be a good step up for him.

[18Craig75]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/transfer-news-live-celtic-rangers-28815548

Joao Balde’s loan move to east Fife been cut short so he can go on loan to the championship instead. Sounds like he’s done well and this could be a good step up for him.


I read comments that seemed to suggest he’d be leaving, not loaned. He’s out of contract in the summer apparently.

[eastmainsmsh]

Is it Arbroath Balde going to

[neil7908]

Hopefully Hibs have learned how ****ing stupid it is to let your best go in January from last season. Ryan Porteous should be staying, end off. Finish 3rd win the cup he probably stays anyway.

Not for me. Given he's playing midfield right now I'd be accepting a decent offer and using that money to improve the midfield and defence. The fact we have a CB who's leaving in a few months playing in midfield at all speaks volumes and we need to fix that with a permanent solution ASAP.

[The Modfather]

I’ve always liked him too. Probably the sort of player we should have been looking at

What kind of midfielder is Erahon? Not sure I know much about him other than he’s highly rated. I know we need experienced first team ready players. However if Erahon is likely to be out of our price table after this move I hope we try and see if he would join in the summer on a pre contract.

[Key West]

Best scenario for everyone is that Hibs and Porteous benefit from a move in January, preferably to the championship.

[The Modfather]

No way can we lose Boyle, Nisbet and Porteous from this team.

I think we’ll see a couple of young players in on loan from Premiership clubs but that’s it.

I’d much rather we promoted some of our own youngsters than sign youngsters on loan in January. Unless we’re to sign a first team ready player that can go straight in and replace one of the starters we currently have of course. Another Fish like signing to make up the numbers is simply blocking the pathway of the youngsters we already have.

[bingo70]

I’d much rather we promoted some of our own youngsters than sign youngsters on loan in January. Unless we’re to sign a first team ready player that can go straight in and replace one of the starters we currently have of course. Another Fish like signing to make up the numbers is simply blocking the pathway of the youngsters we already have.

I just want the best players we can get, if a young player on loan is better than the ones we have then that’s the way it’s got to be.

I know it’s easy to dismiss young players as not being ready but in recent years Dylan Levitt, Connor Ronan, Ellis Simms and the boy Leighton Clarkson at Aberdeen have come up and done well. If we can get one that’s approaching the end of their contract then it also helps us steal a march on other clubs that might want them next year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

But that’s not what happens players are written off and thrown to the wolves when they don’t perform rather than isolated criticism as isolated praise should be given. There’s no middle ground with some people either ***** and get rid or good player but just waiting for them to go off the boil so they can throw them into the first category.

There is no doubt EY has ability it’s been his lack of consistency that’s been his issue which to shake criticism he needs to address. Was excellent today, isn’t that 3 assists in the last 2 games?

Why does it have to be isolated criticism or praise? Why can’t criticism and/or praise be given for poor/good extended runs of form? Most of the criticism of Youan has been based on what we’ve all watched over half a season.

Nobody is waiting for Hibs players to go off the boil so they can declare them *****. That is utter nonsense.

[bingo70]

Alan Nixon saying two Scottish clubs are after a Burnley centre half?

It’s in his Patreon account (if that’s the right way to put it?) so I can’t see who it is or if we’re one of the clubs. One of the comments making a hilarious comment about the proclaimers though so wonder if we’re one of the clubs?

[Hamish]

Alan Nixon saying two Scottish clubs are after a Burnley centre half?

It’s in his Patreon account (if that’s the right way to put it?) so I can’t see who it is or if we’re one of the clubs. One of the comments making a hilarious comment about the proclaimers though so wonder if we’re one of the clubs?



It's the usual, us and Aberdeen.

Kevin Long, 32, fallen out of favour under Kompany

[Greenworld]

Alan Nixon saying two Scottish clubs are after a Burnley centre half?

It’s in his Patreon account (if that’s the right way to put it?) so I can’t see who it is or if we’re one of the clubs. One of the comments making a hilarious comment about the proclaimers though so wonder if we’re one of the clubs?It's Kevin long out of favour and out of contract this season .

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[bingo70]

It's the usual, us and Aberdeen.

Kevin Long, 32, fallen out of favour under Kompany

Now that’s the kind of signing I hate. Hopefully Aberdeen get him tbh.

[04Sauzee]

It's Kevin long out of favour and out of contract this season .

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For a 32 year old it doesn't look like he's played alot of football, still managed to pick up international caps though.

[bingo70]

For a 32 year old it doesn't look like he's played alot of football, still managed to pick up international caps though.

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1607741792362848256?s=46&t=LcFXwWHdRYDzcNCoBtTgpQ

LJ signed him for Barnsley when he was there.

[Steven79]

It's the usual, us and Aberdeen.

Kevin Long, 32, fallen out of favour under KompanyHe's done well to stay at Burnley for 12 seasons considering he's only made over 10 appearances twice in his spell (14 & 16)

Must have had comprising pictures of someone. [emoji1787]

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[PHeffernan]

For a 32 year old it doesn't look like he's played alot of football, still managed to pick up international caps though.

What an easy life Kevin Long has had.
Counting this season he has played 55 league games in 10 seasons!

[Unseen work]

Don’t know much about Long at all, probably because he’s hardly played.

But to be at Burnley for that amount of time he must be decent.

Johnson signed him on loan for Barnsley previously too.

Not what I was expecting but that’s not necessarily a bad thing..

Don’t think Nixon has the best record with our targets though?

[JohnM1875]

Started four games in the EPL last season and was in the squad basically the whole season, sounds decent enough and would add further experience.

[PHeffernan]

Window opens in a few days time and it's been fairly quiet with news on ins and Outs. Bojang will go, Porteous may go but other than that can't think of anything else happening?

Bojang and Bradley are gone.
Porteous will probably go.
Players out of contract in the summer will go: Schofield or Dabrowski and Balde
Players will go out on loan: Tavares and Melkerson.

Can't think of any others who will be going out the door.
Interesting to see Balde is going to a Championship team.
Jumping 2 leagues after 5 months is a big ask. FC Edinburgh might have been a better location.
Suspect he is going to Arbroath to replace Tait.

[Ronniekirk]

Think Doidge will probably leave on a free.

There’s every chance Nisbet could go if the right offer comes in. He’s been smoking hot since he came back and there’s probably clubs looking.
With Boyle out we simply can’t afford to let Nisbet go this window A good window and keeping key players fit will see us in top six come end of the season with possibility of fourth place if other teams above us go on a poor run and we go on a winning run For me Nisbet would be crucial to that

[Smartie]

With Boyle out we simply can’t afford to let Nisbet go this window A good window and keeping key players fit will see us in top six come end of the season with possibility of fourth place if other teams above us go on a poor run and we go on a winning run For me Nisbet would be crucial to that

I don’t think we can afford for Nisbet to take the hump at not being allowed to move though.

Like Porto, he’ll have been amongst Scotland players chatting about what they earn and he’ll have an idea of his worth. At least his last few performances have matched that.

I’d take a bit of convincing that the Gordons are more interested in a football team over making a few quid from player trading.

Hence, a decent offer comes in for Nisbet and he’ll be off.

Which would be a shame, as he’s looking like a player right now and the team’s been looking better for having him in it.

[mayo hibee]

Long would be a good signing. Backed up Mee and Tarkowski well for years at Burnley and did a similar job for Ireland. Made an absolute fortune for himself as a Premier League squad player in return for not playing a huge amount of first team football. So he should have plenty in the tank even though he's 32.

Never looked out of place in the Premier League when he played there under Dyche, even though he was never going to be first choice at that level. He's far too traditional a centre back for Kompany though.

[Hibiza]

What an easy life Kevin Long has had.
Counting this season he has played 55 league games in 10 seasons!

Probably just be a SHORT term signing

[Ronniekirk]

I don’t think we can afford for Nisbet to take the hump at not being allowed to move though.

Like Porto, he’ll have been amongst Scotland players chatting about what they earn and he’ll have an idea of his worth. At least his last few performances have matched that.

I’d take a bit of convincing that the Gordons are more interested in a football team over making a few quid from player trading.

Hence, a decent offer comes in for Nisbet and he’ll be off.

Which would be a shame, as he’s looking like a player right now and the team’s been looking better for having him in it.

I don’t disagree re the player Trading comment but they haven’t done that well to date with promising players to sell on so Ifvtgey resort to selling our best players then L J won’t be happy and I would think twice about going to games so often
So unless it’s silly money with further sell on clause I would be looking fir owners to back the Manager this window and get us back on track
But yes if Nissy continues to score am sure clubs will come sniffing g around I didn’t think his contract was up this summer but he has been out so long have lost track to be honest

[J-C]

I'd hope Nisbet has more about him and stays till the summer, considering he's just back from injury, he has more to prove than just a couple of decent games.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'd hope Nisbet has more about him and stays till the summer, considering he's just back from injury, he has more to prove than just a couple of decent games.

If Nisbet was to have someone come in for him he’d want to go imo. His injury will have sharpened his focus with regards to getting a move as he’s not getting any younger and is 26 soon. Keep in mind he already wanted to leave previously.

That’s not a criticism of him btw but there’s not a chance he’ll be hanging about to repay Hibs imo. If we don’t sell him in January or the summer then we’ll be getting very little money for him as I’d be stunned if he renewed. Im fine with that but I don’t think there’s any chance Nisbet will be thinking about what’s best for Hibs.

[bingo70]

I'd hope Nisbet has more about him and stays till the summer, considering he's just back from injury, he has more to prove than just a couple of decent games.

If Nisbet get the chance of a decent move he’ll take it and quite rightly so. I’d be bit surprised if he agitated for a move after all that’s happened recently but if an opportunity presented itself there’s no question he’d take it.

[PHeffernan]

Probably just be a SHORT term signing

I see what you did there.
Pearls before swine.

[PHeffernan]

Think Doidge will probably leave on a free.

There’s every chance Nisbet could go if the right offer comes in. He’s been smoking hot since he came back and there’s probably clubs looking.

I think Nisbet needs the rest of the season to show potential suitors he is both fully recovered and the real deal.
As ever some teams will try to steal a march on their competitors and as such it's possible one will come in for him next month but for me he will move on to the English Championship in the summer.

[JohnM1875]

I think Nisbet needs the rest of the season to show potential suitors he is both fully recovered and the real deal.
As ever some teams will try to steal a march on their competitors and as such it's possible one will come in for him next month but for me he will move on to the English Championship in the summer.

Think that's exactly what'll happen as well. From the little we've seen since his return he's looking like the player of old, actually, a little better than before. Looking stronger and more athletic.

He'll be off in the summer I feel which means he'll have been scoring goals for us until then.

[Hibees1973]

If Porteous leaves in this window every penny should be used to get Jason Kerr from Wigan.

[cabbageandribs1875]

If Porteous leaves in this window every penny should be used to get Jason Kerr from Wigan.


the player that's out injured for the rest of the season and will be on a very good salary at Wigan ?

[Hibees1973]

If Porteous leaves in this window every penny should be used to get Jason Kerr from Wigan.

My bad. Just read he's out for the season with an ACL injury.

Unless we continue with our strategy of signing injured players.

[Ray_]

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/burnley-man-attracting-top-flight-interest-ahead-of-january-transfer-window/?fbclid=IwAR1ebOf3Aq2N1r3iNZNREIVLqgj4rvdu9ZEXHfJs Cqk5kXT8Xmoru5al9a4

[Donegal Hibby]

My bad. Just read he's out for the season with an ACL injury.

Unless we continue with our strategy of signing injured players.
Have we actually signed any injured players? Genuine question

[superfurryhibby]

My bad. Just read he's out for the season with an ACL injury.

Unless we continue with our strategy of signing injured players.

Bizarre :rolleyes:

[Gmack7]

Have we actually signed any injured players? Genuine question

I think Magennis may have been injured

[Donegal Hibby]

I think Magennis may have been injured
Yes I think maybe he might have been when we signed him but can't think of anyone else .

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think Magennis may have been injured

He wasn’t, he had played pre season games at St Mirren before we signed him.

[1875Sean]

Forest Green in for JDH, would accept any type of cash offer for him

[The Modfather]

Forest Green in for JDH, would accept any type of cash offer for him

I prefer JDH to Newell, but equally don’t think we’ll miss him and one of a long line of players you could argue for but time to get ruthless with the squad clear out.

[Winston Ingram]

I don’t think we can afford for Nisbet to take the hump at not being allowed to move though.

Like Porto, he’ll have been amongst Scotland players chatting about what they earn and he’ll have an idea of his worth. At least his last few performances have matched that.

I’d take a bit of convincing that the Gordons are more interested in a football team over making a few quid from player trading.

Hence, a decent offer comes in for Nisbet and he’ll be off.

Which would be a shame, as he’s looking like a player right now and the team’s been looking better for having him in it.

Genuinely can’t for the life of me imagine that there will be any interest in him. He was appalling from Jan 21 until his injury. He’s got a couple of goals since he’s been back but he’s just back from a long term injury. No one will be bidding for him unless he totally rips it up in the month of Jan.

[Winston Ingram]

Think Doidge will probably leave on a free.

There’s every chance Nisbet could go if the right offer comes in. He’s been smoking hot since he came back and there’s probably clubs looking.

Doidge has 18 months left on an improved contract. No danger is he walking away from that.

[Unseen work]

Thought JDH was unlucky start of the season, started really well in the friendlies and up games then think he got a knock which saw him on the bench.

Came on as a sub a couple of times when chasing games and his speed and accuracy of passing was a massive boost and helped us kick on for the wins.

Unfortunately for him he was injured again and now Johnson probably thinks he’s not bothered if he goes

[Billy Whizz]

Thought JDH was unlucky start of the season, started really well in the friendlies and up games then think he got a knock which saw him on the bench.

Came on as a sub a couple of times when chasing games and his speed and accuracy of passing was a massive boost and helped us kick on for the wins.

Unfortunately for him he was injured again and now Johnson probably thinks he’s not bothered if he goes

It was the manager who injured him in training
He’s a good footballer, but I’ve no idea where his best position is

[Mcbizz1998]

I had forgotten about JDH. LJ obviously doesn’t see a place for him so makes sense if we can get a fee and move him on.

[Jones28]

Doidge has 18 months left on an improved contract. No danger is he walking away from that.

If he gets a decent offer from a Killie or someone like that you never know.

[The Modfather]

If he gets a decent offer from a Killie or someone like that you never know.

He’s yet to score for Killie I believe, and quite possible he won’t score a league goal at all this season. Think the best we can hope for is to find someone next season to take him on loan and pay part of his wage until his contract expires.

[Brightside]

It was the manager who injured him in training
He’s a good footballer, but I’ve no idea where his best position is

He’s an 8 for me, but yes when the manager is injuring you in training you are going to struggle.

[Heisenberg]

Not bothered about JDH potentially going in the slightest. Bit of cash and get rid of a player that is on a long contract but rarely looks good enough to deserve it.

[bigwheel]

Can understand us wanting to get JDH out. Not sure the manager fancies him that much ..he’s better than Kenneh for me tbh - but we need a clear out , so let’s get a few out and hopefully bring in some quality

[CapitalGreen]

He’s an 8 for me, but yes when the manager is injuring you in training you are going to struggle.

He was struggling before the manager injured him. His performances away to Falkirk and St Mirren were particularly abysmal.

[silverhibee]

Have we actually signed any injured players? Genuine question

Eckersley, watched him hobble in on crutches at EM and sign a contract, don’t think he ever played for us.

[JimBHibees]

He was struggling before the manager injured him. His performances away to Falkirk and St Mirren were particularly abysmal.

Is this the manager injured him a fact?

[Donegal Hibby]

Thought JDH was unlucky start of the season, started really well in the friendlies and up games then think he got a knock which saw him on the bench.

Came on as a sub a couple of times when chasing games and his speed and accuracy of passing was a massive boost and helped us kick on for the wins.

Unfortunately for him he was injured again and now Johnson probably thinks he’s not bothered if he goes
I think the midfield has been a problem for a long time now ,all our midfielders are good players though I do think they haven't looked good together most of the time , we have lacked drive , creativity and maybe goals at times , I wouldn't mind seeing us move Henderson on as well and get a creative midfielder and a goal scoring midfielder in!

[Billy Whizz]

Is this the manager injured him a fact?

Yes, LJ said it in one of his interviews at the time

[Hiber-nation]

He’s an 8 for me, but yes when the manager is injuring you in training you are going to struggle.

What is an 8? When I think of a number 8 for Hibs I think of Jimmy O'Rourke but that's obviously not what you are on about 😂

[bingo70]

What is an 8? When I think of a number 8 for Hibs I think of Jimmy O'Rourke but that's obviously not what you are on about 😂

An 8 is a Pat McGinlay.

[JeMeSouviens]

What is an 8? When I think of a number 8 for Hibs I think of Jimmy O'Rourke but that's obviously not what you are on about 😂

Pretty much box-to-box in old money.

It's ironic that having ditched teams numbered 1-11, we are now supposed to describe players using those numbers. :rolleyes:

[Hiber-nation]

An 8 is a Pat McGinlay.

Even though he wore 11!

[supermcginn]

He’s an 8 for me, but yes when the manager is injuring you in training you are going to struggle.

Getting money for him is absolutely brilliant. I'm sure you called him the best young midfielder in Scotland..he wouldn't be in the top 50.

[Billy Whizz]

An 8 is a Pat McGinlay.

Have we not got 2 of these in Campbell and Magennis

[Brightside]

Getting money for him is absolutely brilliant. I'm sure you called him the best young midfielder in Scotland..he wouldn't be in the top 50.

Did I? **** me. I wish I could remember my posts like you do.

[Brightside]

Have we not got 2 of these in Campbell and Magennis

Yes and Newell (but he’s not really box to box). I think we have too many similar players. Newell can play 10 but he’s not outstanding there. So we don’t really have a proper no 10. If we got in an out and out attacking midfielder, for me that’s the missing link.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Yes and Newell (but he’s not really box to box). I think we have too many similar players. Newell can play 10 but he’s not outstanding there. So we don’t really have a proper no 10. If we got in an out and out attacking midfielder, for me that’s the missing link.

McGeady?

[Brightside]

McGeady?

That’s where I would play him. If we can get a run of games out of him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Eckersley, watched him hobble in on crutches at EM and sign a contract, don’t think he ever played for us.

Yes, because Lewis was always fit and played well. Eckersley was on the bench a few times.

[CapitalGreen]

Yes, because Lewis was always fit and played well. Eckersley was on the bench a few times.

3 times in 4 months.

[Smartie]

Yes and Newell (but he’s not really box to box). I think we have too many similar players. Newell can play 10 but he’s not outstanding there. So we don’t really have a proper no 10. If we got in an out and out attacking midfielder, for me that’s the missing link.

I think Magennis is that player.

If we can get a run of games out of him…

[Hiber-nation]

Pretty much box-to-box in old money.

It's ironic that having ditched teams numbered 1-11, we are now supposed to describe players using those numbers. :rolleyes:


I just cannot imagine a player who can only hit a decent shot when it's on the volley and would rarely win a header to fill that role.

[MWHIBBIES]

3 times in 4 months.

As I said.

He was never here to start and was never required to start. a back-up full back signing really is no crime.

[CapitalGreen]

As I said.

He was never here to start and was never required to start. a back-up full back signing really is no crime.

Spending money on back ups instead of improvements was a characteristic of some of the recruitment failures under Mathie. Too many experienced players coming in on short term deals and contributing absolutely nothing to the team. That money could have been a lot more effectively spent on young understudy’s who could develop into future staters.

[Unseen work]

Couple of folk in the west stand upper were saying there was a new signing watching.

Never recognised him but that doesn’t say much.

[Steven79]

Couple of folk in the west stand upper were saying there was a new signing watching.

Never recognised him but that doesn’t say much.Probably left with 15 minutes to go while on the phone to their agent. [emoji1787]

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[madhatter]

Couple of folk in the west stand upper were saying there was a new signing watching.

Never recognised him but that doesn’t say much.

Probably a 5ft 2in striker who weighs 8 stone.

[H18 SFR]

Apologies if this has already been discussed. Heard tonight that JDH is off to Forrest Green Rovers.

[madhatter]

Apologies if this has already been discussed. Heard tonight that JDH is off to Forrest Green Rovers.

Hopefully first of many.

[Jones28]

Apologies if this has already been discussed. Heard tonight that JDH is off to Forrest Green Rovers.

Offer been accepted by the club, I think it’s now up to the player if he wants to go.

[NC1875]

Apologies if this has already been discussed. Heard tonight that JDH is off to Forrest Green Rovers.

Has he got room in his car for Newell ?

[Logie Green]

Has he got room in his car for Newell ?

Aye, the passenger seat.

[madhatter]

Please say this Niskanen rumour is a lot of rubbish? Probably is as just saw it on Twitter, guessing it is garbage.

[allezsauzee]

Has he got room in his car for Newell ?

And Henderson

[Unseen work]

I really can’t see Johnson sticking with Hanlon much longer.

Look at the defending tonight

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1608213021616136192?s=46&t=KhgtWSMMmFkJHC2FPRYDEg

Kyogo starts in front of him and for whatever reason he completely leaves him when there is no other threat whatsoever