Winter 2022-23 transfer thread

[JeMeSouviens]

Jeez, are we still all yapping on about bloody Newell, pages and pages of yes he's good, no he isn't, so boring.

It's not a bad discussion point for a thread, but not a great one either. Not the sort of discussion that can carry a thread by itself, but would probably be ok with a higher quality of discussion round about it.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Jeez, are we still all yapping on about bloody Newell, pages and pages of yes he's good, no he isn't, so boring.

I read it differently. One “side” are saying he’s not good and finding relevant stats to back that opinion up. The other “side” are challenging the stats while not offering an opinion on Newell.

[HIBS NUTS]

The one player for me, who could make a difference straight away is JOEL NOUBLE, livingston, great at holding the ball up, and quick feet.
He is a handful for every team in the league, including the old firm.
or Is he outside our price range now. ?

[MWHIBBIES]

The one player for me, who could make a difference straight away is JOEL NOUBLE, livingston, great at holding the ball up, and quick feet.
He is a handful for every team in the league, including the old firm.
or Is he outside our price range now. ?

At best a decent back up for Kukharevych. Not priority with Kev returning. Its a winger and a central midfielder we need. And probably 2 centre backs.

[Bridge hibs]

The one player for me, who could make a difference straight away is JOEL NOUBLE, livingston, great at holding the ball up, and quick feet.
He is a handful for every team in the league, including the old firm.
or Is he outside our price range now. ?
Who is hardly prolific, good at other things though

[Donegal Hibby]

Who is hardly prolific, good at other things though
2 goals in 21 appearance's for Livingston, think I'll pass on that one even though he's good at other things.

[chippy]

At best a decent back up for Kukharevych. Not priority with Kev returning. It’s a winger and a central midfielder we need. And probably 2 centre backs.
2 central midfielders

[MWHIBBIES]

2 central midfielders

Probably right, a back up for Newell is important.

[HendoDelivered]

2 goals in 21 appearance's for Livingston, think I'll pass on that one even though he's good at other things.

Same. Guys a Donkey 🤣

[chippy]

Probably right, a back up for Newell is important.
Yes and/ or play Joe further forward- I think he’s more effective there

[Heisenberg]

Stephen Bradley away on trial at Livi and scored for them today in a friendly.

[green day]

Stephen Bradley away on trial at Livi and scored for them today in a friendly.

Always thought he looked decent on the few occasions I saw him play for us.

[bingo70]

Always thought he looked decent on the few occasions I saw him play for us.

I thought he looked miles off being good enough on the occasions I saw him which wasn’t a lot to be fair.

[Stuart93]

You just know Bradley will play a blinder if he joins livi

[Donegal Hibby]

Priority in January will be to trim the squad. Wonder how many will be leaving and who ?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23171519.johnson-prioritise-trimming-hibs-squad-january-transfer-window/

[McGruber]

The squad is clearly too big. Not sure how Johnson can complain about that though having signed 14 of them! Be interesting to see how many leave that were only brought in the summer

[Donegal Hibby]

The squad is clearly too big. Not sure how Johnson can complain about that though having signed 14 of them! Be interesting to see how many leave that were only brought in the summer
Don't know if there will be that many of the 14 leaving apart from the loan signings who are ,Fish , Mykola, Schofield, Youan and bojang ,If I had to take a guess I'd say Fish , Youan and maybe bojang . Of the other players would it be possible Mitchell. , Henderson and JDH would be ones he'd like to move on too though their contracts would be a problem. Found the last paragraph of what Johnson said interesting that he wanted to move players on that weren't going to infiltrate the first team in the short to medium time which has me wondering about players like McKay, Tait and Hauge also maybe Dabrowski might want to move on in order to get some game time , of course I'm completely guessing here.

[Unseen work]

To me it’s interesting looking at our first team squad, those out on loan and the development squad and hearing Johnson saying we have too many who don’t look like infiltrating the first team in the next 12-18 months.

Goalkeeper

Marshall
Dabroswki
Schofield

Defenders

Cadden
Miller
Porteous
Rocky
Hanlon
Fish
Cabraja
Stevenson

Midfield

Kenneh
Magennis
Newell
JDH
Campbell
Henderson
Tavares
Mitchell
McGeady
Boyle

Strikers

Kuharevych
Youan
Bojang
Melkersen
Nisbet
McKirdy

Loans

Doidge
McKay

Development team (noticeable/signed ones)

Johnson
Hauge
Bradley
McLellend
Delferierre
Tait

To me looking at that I’ve no idea who is the obvious players that won’t ‘infiltrate’ the first team especially when half the younger ones it could be aimed at were signed based on potential - Tavares, Hauge, Melkersen, Delferierre, McLellend. But Melkersen seems highly rated and plays alot whilst Tavares has hardly had a chance, would be cut our ties with him so soon despite saying we need to be patient with him? Keep in mind he was someone Johnson himself has tracked for years.

Maybe Johnson has looked at the youth players we have signed compared to guys already here like Blaney, McIntyre, Aiken, O’Connor, Laidlaw etc and think we have a better chance with them? Is Blaney and Brydon more likely than McLellend for example?

Then you have the guys that have been injured constantly like Magennis, Mitchell, McGeady and Miller. Johnson likes them all but will he take the risk he can get them fit? Miller may be struggling with not playing with injuries when he’s just moved from the other side of the world.

If it was me in January and there was no issues such as contracts etc I’d be getting rid of

Dabroswki - Johnson can take his place
Porteous - Will try get a fee
Fish - Hardly kicked a ball but could be a Porteous replacement
Hanlon - Looked at LCB previous couple of summers. Must admit I’d be worried losing him and Porteous but some defending lately has been criminal
Mitchell - Always injured and may manage to get a nominal fee
Campbell - Actually like him but may be able to get a nominal fee from a English team due to his style of play, age and goals scored
Youan - Rapid but next to no end product. Likely on a big wage
Bojang - Was always going to be a punt, feel sorry for him
Doidge - No explanation required
McKay - Hardly had a chance which seems harsh when you think of some who have
Hauge - Just can’t see him being a starter

And giving Tait a chance in Henderson/Campbell’s place for 6 months.


Some have played more than others but I look at their contributions, how much were likely paying them and if we can recruit better for those positions and surely we can.

[Smartie]

To me it’s interesting looking at our first team squad, those out on loan and the development squad and hearing Johnson saying we have too many who don’t look like infiltrating the first team in the next 12-18 months.

Goalkeeper

Marshall
Dabroswki - May want first team football & we trust Murray Johnson
Schofield - Signed purely as back up

Defenders

Cadden
Miller - Signed in summer, loads of potential but been injured
Porteous - Will be sold in January
Rocky
Hanlon - Were looking at a left sided centre half before
Fish - Hardly kicked a ball but may get a chance now Porteous has gone?
Cabraja
Stevenson

Midfield

Kenneh
Magennis - Never fit
Newell
JDH - May want guaranteed minutes but been injured a lot
Campbell - Johnson seems to like his style and fits in a lot of positions
Henderson - Started pre season brilliant and been pretty poor since
Tavares - Told to be patient and he has a lot of potential
Mitchell - Again Johnson seems a fan but always injured
McGeady - Would undoubtedly play a big part if he got fit
Boyle

Strikers

Kuharevych
Youan - Played loads but very frustrating
Bojang - Punt but again been injured
Melkersen
Nisbet
McKirdy

Loans

Doidge
McKay

Development team (noticeable/signed ones)

Johnson
Hauge - 2 games pre season then punted on loan but was only signed last January.
Bradley - Someone I’ve always rated and know the first team players rate too but been told he can leave.
McLellend - Signed in summer and straight out on loan
Delferierre- Everyone seems to rate him but limited chances. Out on loan
Tait - The one that probably confuses everyone the most with how little chance he’s had.

To me looking at that I’ve no idea who is the obvious players that won’t ‘infiltrate’ the first team especially when half the younger ones it could be aimed at were signed based on potential - Tavares, Hauge, Melkersen, Delferierre, McLellend. But Melkersen seems highly rated and plays alot whilst Tavares has hardly had a chance, would be cut our ties with him so soon despite saying we need to be patient with him? Keep in mind he was someone Johnson himself has tracked for years.

Maybe Johnson has looked at the youth players we have signed compared to guys already here like Blaney, McIntyre, Aiken, O’Connor, Laidlaw etc and think we have a better chance with them?

Then you have the guys that have been injured constantly like Magennis, Mitchell, McGeady and Miller. Johnson likes them all but will he take the risk he can get them fit? Miller may be struggling with not playing with injuries when he’s just moved from the other side of the world.

If it was me in January and there was no issues such as contracts etc I’d be getting rid of

Dabroswki
Fish
Hanlon
Mitchell
Campbell
Youan
Bojang
Doidge
McKay
Hauge

And giving Tait a chance in Henderson/Campbell’s place for 6 months.


Some have played more than others but I look at their contributions, how much were likely paying them and if we can recruit better for those positions and surely we can.

When I look at that, I don’t see much wrong with the GKs and the defence. Schofield has been brought in as cover as at the time we obviously thought it was too soon for Johnson although that might no longer be the case. So arguably we might be prepared to trim Schofield from there?

Defence looks about right to me, decent quality and decent number of options. Not the problem imo.

That midfield and those forwards though - no wonder we’re in bother when you look at that. Some decent players there but nearly all of them are injured or have had serious injury troubles.

Serious work needs done to the squad in those areas, I just don’t see who would be likely to take any of the duffers or crocks off our hands?

[Forza Fred]

We need someone to replace Martin Boyle…albeit on loan.

Someone with a turn of pace and who can do the unexpected, either on the wing or when he cuts through the middle

At the moment I think we will be pretty predictable in attack, and not too difficult to defend against.

Not many of those about though……

[JimBHibees]

Probably right, a back up for Newell is important.

:greengrin

[Souter96Mac]

Not heard anything, and to be honest he's looks to be a bit of an unknown quantity, but Newcastle have signed that young Australian forward/winger Garang Kuol who was in the Aussie squad. Can't see him being put into their first team squad right away, a loan away in Europe may do him good first.

[flash]

You just know Bradley will play a blinder if he joins livi

Here's hoping as be won't be eligible to play.

[Brightside]

Priority in January will be to trim the squad. Wonder how many will be leaving and who ?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23171519.johnson-prioritise-trimming-hibs-squad-january-transfer-window/

Start with the “Dev”players that are over 19 and not close to playing first team football.

[Brightside]

To me it’s interesting looking at our first team squad, those out on loan and the development squad and hearing Johnson saying we have too many who don’t look like infiltrating the first team in the next 12-18 months.

Goalkeeper

Marshall
Dabroswki
Schofield

Defenders

Cadden
Miller
Porteous
Rocky
Hanlon
Fish
Cabraja
Stevenson

Midfield

Kenneh
Magennis
Newell
JDH
Campbell
Henderson
Tavares
Mitchell
McGeady
Boyle

Strikers

Kuharevych
Youan
Bojang
Melkersen
Nisbet
McKirdy

Loans

Doidge
McKay

Development team (noticeable/signed ones)

Johnson
Hauge
Bradley
McLellend
Delferierre
Tait

To me looking at that I’ve no idea who is the obvious players that won’t ‘infiltrate’ the first team especially when half the younger ones it could be aimed at were signed based on potential - Tavares, Hauge, Melkersen, Delferierre, McLellend. But Melkersen seems highly rated and plays alot whilst Tavares has hardly had a chance, would be cut our ties with him so soon despite saying we need to be patient with him? Keep in mind he was someone Johnson himself has tracked for years.

Maybe Johnson has looked at the youth players we have signed compared to guys already here like Blaney, McIntyre, Aiken, O’Connor, Laidlaw etc and think we have a better chance with them? Is Blaney and Brydon more likely than McLellend for example?

Then you have the guys that have been injured constantly like Magennis, Mitchell, McGeady and Miller. Johnson likes them all but will he take the risk he can get them fit? Miller may be struggling with not playing with injuries when he’s just moved from the other side of the world.

If it was me in January and there was no issues such as contracts etc I’d be getting rid of

Dabroswki - Johnson can take his place
Porteous - Will try get a fee
Fish - Hardly kicked a ball but could be a Porteous replacement
Hanlon - Looked at LCB previous couple of summers. Must admit I’d be worried losing him and Porteous but some defending lately has been criminal
Mitchell - Always injured and may manage to get a nominal fee
Campbell - Actually like him but may be able to get a nominal fee from a English team due to his style of play, age and goals scored
Youan - Rapid but next to no end product. Likely on a big wage
Bojang - Was always going to be a punt, feel sorry for him
Doidge - No explanation required
McKay - Hardly had a chance which seems harsh when you think of some who have
Hauge - Just can’t see him being a starter

And giving Tait a chance in Henderson/Campbell’s place for 6 months.


Some have played more than others but I look at their contributions, how much were likely paying them and if we can recruit better for those positions and surely we can.

Explain the criminal defending please. Just a few examples. He wont be going anywhere. He remains our most consistent defender.

[J-C]

Don't know if there will be that many of the 14 leaving apart from the loan signings who are ,Fish , Mykola, Schofield, Youan and bojang ,If I had to take a guess I'd say Fish , Youan and maybe bojang . Of the other players would it be possible Mitchell. , Henderson and JDH would be ones he'd like to move on too though their contracts would be a problem. Found the last paragraph of what Johnson said interesting that he wanted to move players on that weren't going to infiltrate the first team in the short to medium time which has me wondering about players like McKay, Tait and Hauge also maybe Dabrowski might want to move on in order to get some game time , of course I'm completely guessing here.

Both on season long loans, Hauge has only just returned from his loan in Ireland, possibly Dabrowski but we still need a back up keeper, Schofield's loan could be cut short.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Here's hoping as be won't be eligible to play.

He’s been told he can leave permanently I’m sure? He’ll be fine to play us at least once this season if he does.

[flash]

He’s been told he can leave permanently I’m sure? He’ll be fine to play us at least once this season if he does.

Yeah but he can't play until January. You edited as I was posting!
I assumed he meant on Christmas Eve.

[EGL2000]

Not heard anything, and to be honest he's looks to be a bit of an unknown quantity, but Newcastle have signed that young Australian forward/winger Garang Kuol who was in the Aussie squad. Can't see him being put into their first team squad right away, a loan away in Europe may do him good first.

Could be an interesting option tbf. Any of the A league fans watch him regularly?

[Bayern Bru]

Not heard anything, and to be honest he's looks to be a bit of an unknown quantity, but Newcastle have signed that young Australian forward/winger Garang Kuol who was in the Aussie squad. Can't see him being put into their first team squad right away, a loan away in Europe may do him good first.

Another 18yo with limited first-team experience is the last thing we need.

:greengrin

[Since452]

The one player for me, who could make a difference straight away is JOEL NOUBLE, livingston, great at holding the ball up, and quick feet.
He is a handful for every team in the league, including the old firm.
or Is he outside our price range now. ?

Oh dear god. Big huddy.

[Since452]

Explain the criminal defending please. Just a few examples. He wont be going anywhere. He remains our most consistent defender.

Porteous positional sense has been very poor of late. Hanlon has been well.. Hanlon. Argument there for both to be dropped but we don't have better at the moment that's the problem.

[tonyrougier123]

Oh dear god. Big huddy.

I couldn’t disagree more,he’s a real handful for teams,really really troubled hearts every time livy went forward,nice neat pass and move and drew fouls and players around him.

I love what big holt brought to hibs,nouble similar,I’d swap him for most of the strikers we have at the moment.

[Donegal Hibby]

I couldn’t disagree more,he’s a real handful for teams,really really troubled hearts every time livy went forward,nice neat pass and move and drew fouls and players around him.

I love what big holt brought to hibs,nouble similar,I’d swap him for most of the strikers we have at the moment.
All we would be doing there is swapping a potentially better striker for a lesser one also we have been saying our current forwards aren't scoring and Nouble is definitely not a striker that scores a lot of goals . Think our forwards are quite good and maybe it's more we need some creativity in the middle of the park.

[Forza Fred]

Not heard anything, and to be honest he's looks to be a bit of an unknown quantity, but Newcastle have signed that young Australian forward/winger Garang Kuol who was in the Aussie squad. Can't see him being put into their first team squad right away, a loan away in Europe may do him good first.

He has not started in a professional match would you believe, not even one.

[tonyrougier123]

All we would be doing there is swapping a potentially better striker for a lesser one also we have been saying our current forwards aren't scoring and Nouble is definitely not a striker that scores a lot of goals . Think our forwards are quite good and maybe it's more we need some creativity in the middle of the park.

We haven’t got a striker that can hold up play and keep us in the opposition half,help the midfield get further up the park. Players like mckirdy and youan Would feed of that type of player. We need to be dangerous and in the opposition half more than we are a big strong striker would do that imo.

Midfield would benefit as well less helter skelter front to back. We need to find solutions to help the the team we have and if we aren’t bringing many in need to make sure the ones we do bring in add something different.

It’s all a bit same same up top.

One big striker one strong centre half and a busy midfielder on loan I’d be quite happy.
Right through the middle of the team.

[Stuart93]

All we would be doing there is swapping a potentially better striker for a lesser one also we have been saying our current forwards aren't scoring and Nouble is definitely not a striker that scores a lot of goals . Think our forwards are quite good and maybe it's more we need some creativity in the middle of the park.

Whilst I agree we need more creativity from the middle of the park, I don’t agree that our forwards are quite good or they certainly haven’t been so far this season. Far too many wasted opportunities.

[eastmainsmsh]

Nohan Kenneh was seemingly a stand out at centre half for Leeds reserves could he play there and Joe Newell as DM

[Musselbound]

We haven’t got a striker that can hold up play and keep us in the opposition half,help the midfield get further up the park. Players like mckirdy and youan Would feed of that type of player. We need to be dangerous and in the opposition half more than we are a big strong striker would do that imo.

Midfield would benefit as well less helter skelter front to back. We need to find solutions to help the the team we have and if we aren’t bringing many in need to make sure the ones we do bring in add something different.

It’s all a bit same same up top.

One big striker one strong centre half and a busy midfielder on loan I’d be quite happy.
Right through the middle of the team.

I agree with you about Nouble. Might not score many goals but may well create more chances for others, including Nisbet who is not a great leader of the line. Kukharevych is doing a decent job but how long will he be around. I'd also seriously consider Akinyemi from Ayr if he is affordable.

[KeithTheHibby]

We need someone to replace Martin Boyle…albeit on loan.

Someone with a turn of pace and who can do the unexpected, either on the wing or when he cuts through the middle

At the moment I think we will be pretty predictable in attack, and not too difficult to defend against.

Not many of those about though……

His name is Aiden McGeady.

We also have Nisbet and McGennis available. We have also have nothing from McKirdy so I suspect the forward line is not an area we are looking at.

To be honest with the calibre of players we have had unavailable the first half of the season hopefully fit going forward I wouldn't be bothered if we signed no-one.

[Smartie]

His name is Aiden McGeady.

We also have Nisbet and McGennis available. We have also have nothing from McKirdy so I suspect the forward line is not an area we are looking at.

To be honest with the calibre of players we have had unavailable the first half of the season hopefully fit going forward I wouldn't be bothered if we signed no-one.

Me neither, but I reckon there’s f all chance we’ll see any football of any substance from any of them so arrivals will be necessary if this season is to be anything other than an absolute disaster.

[KeithTheHibby]

Me neither, but I reckon there’s f all chance we’ll see any football of any substance from any of them so arrivals will be necessary if this season is to be anything other than an absolute disaster.

I don't think the club will think that way. They will look upon them as almost 4 new signings. They should all be available for the Huns game in a couple of weeks so by the time we are a further month down the line we will know how much we are likely to benefit from having them available.

The squad is seriously bloated, either punt some on or get them out on loan.

[Unseen work]

His name is Aiden McGeady.

We also have Nisbet and McGennis available. We have also have nothing from McKirdy so I suspect the forward line is not an area we are looking at.

To be honest with the calibre of players we have had unavailable the first half of the season hopefully fit going forward I wouldn't be bothered if we signed no-one.

That’s the funny/annoying thing for me. When you see our possible first starting 11 when everyone is fit there is a lot of quality and experience in there.

The issue is keeping them fit.

……………………..Marshall…………..

Cadden……Rocky….Porteous….Cabraja….

……………….Kenneh…..Newell….

Boyle…………….Magennis….…McGeady….

……………………..Nisbet…….

Then with guys like Miller, JDH, Mitchell, McKirdy, Youan, Kuharevych providing competition.

If we had all of them fit then we could slowly start introducing the younger guys with potential and getting used to the league.

Frustrating for the club I’m sure.

[Lago]

Me neither, but I reckon there’s f all chance we’ll see any football of any substance from any of them so arrivals will be necessary if this season is to be anything other than an absolute disaster.
L. J. quoted as saying his focus is on decreasing squad size, so you may well get your wish.

[J-C]

That’s the funny/annoying thing for me. When you see our possible first starting 11 when everyone is fit there is a lot of quality and experience in there.

The issue is keeping them fit.

……………………..Marshall…………..

Cadden……Rocky….Porteous….Cabraja….

……………….Kenneh…..Newell….

Boyle…………….Magennis….…McGeady….

……………………..Nisbet…….

Then with guys like Miller, JDH, Mitchell, McKirdy, Youan, Kuharevych providing competition.

If we had all of them fit then we could slowly start introducing the younger guys with potential and getting used to the league.

Frustrating for the club I’m sure.

You'll be lucky if Porteous is anywhere near that team, it'll be Rocky and Hanlon.

[basehibby]

Oh dear god. Big huddy.

Have a word! Anything but a huddy - really quite a skillfully player on the ball - given the size of him he maybe doesn't make enough of his physique - hardly a huddy tho.

[basehibby]

Porteous positional sense has been very poor of late. Hanlon has been well.. Hanlon. Argument there for both to be dropped but we don't have better at the moment that's the problem.

Hanlon has barely put a foot wrong this season but there always is a small queue of berks itching to stick the boot into him first chance they get - real or imagined.
We are fortunate to have such a veteran at our disposal.

[Broken Gnome]

We've been getting regularly beaten by teams with 'huddies' up front for years. Teams with 'huddies' in them are currently above us in the league and play a part in teams that look far more of a goal threat than we do it at the moment.

No one wants a huddy, but we don't that have that many good seasons and typically need a well above average front line or a really good midfield to make a decent fist of things. Feels a bit old hat to turn our nose up at that style of player, especially seems we've been fairly mince since Doidge went off the boil.

[Unseen work]

Nouble is anything but a huddy.

If he was a foot smaller people would love his skill and footwork.

His touch and dribbling ability is very good, despite his frame he’s played left wing at times too.

Could do far worse but I doubt we could afford him

[CL0762]

It'll be interesting to see where the cull comes in the squad.

Going by the website under the first team squad section, there are 28 players with 2 out on loan (Doidge at Killie & Mackay at ICT).

Factoring in dev/and eligible u18 players who've either been involved or played first team football there's Oscar MacIntyre, O'Connor, Blaney, Aiken, Hamilton and then there's a further 4 out on loan (McLelland, Hauge, Bradley (likely gone) & Delferriere) and others who haven't played for the first team such as E.Johnson, Balde, Tait & Brydon.

That's 43 players without mentioning the likes of Murray Johnson, Laidlaw, Megwa who are meant to be close to the first team.

Then there's the players in the u18's but highly thought of such as McAllister, Molotnikov, J. MacIntyre etc.

LJ making comments out working with a "prime 14/15" makes me wonder who they could be.

Marshall
Cadden
Porteous (potentially not given his contract situation)
Rocky
Hanlon
Cabraja
Newell
JDH
Kenneh
Magennis (fitness permitting)
Boyle
Nisbet
McKirdy

For me those would be the names that stand out given they are (majority) on long term contracts and are permanently signed players.

[truehibernian]

Ryan to The Rangers gathering some momentum apparently - would be a terrible move for him if so.

[PHeffernan]

Hanlon has barely put a foot wrong this season but there always is a small queue of berks itching to stick the boot into him first chance they get - real or imagined.
We are fortunate to have such a veteran at our disposal.

Agreed

[EGL2000]

Ryan to The Rangers gathering some momentum apparently - would be a terrible move for him if so.

Surely he's gotta go down south/abroad for the sack of his career?

[HIBS NUTS]

Oh dear god. Big huddy.

We will find out soon, how big a huddle he is at easter road soon.
let’s hope your right.

[Billy Whizz]

It'll be interesting to see where the cull comes in the squad.

Going by the website under the first team squad section, there are 28 players with 2 out on loan (Doidge at Killie & Mackay at ICT).

Factoring in dev/and eligible u18 players who've either been involved or played first team football there's Oscar MacIntyre, O'Connor, Blaney, Aiken, Hamilton and then there's a further 4 out on loan (McLelland, Hauge, Bradley (likely gone) & Delferriere) and others who haven't played for the first team such as E.Johnson, Balde, Tait & Brydon.

That's 43 players without mentioning the likes of Murray Johnson, Laidlaw, Megwa who are meant to be close to the first team.

Then there's the players in the u18's but highly thought of such as McAllister, Molotnikov, J. MacIntyre etc.

LJ making comments out working with a "prime 14/15" makes me wonder who they could be.

Marshall
Cadden
Porteous (potentially not given his contract situation)
Rocky
Hanlon
Cabraja
Newell
JDH
Kenneh
Magennis (fitness permitting)
Boyle
Nisbet
McKirdy

For me those would be the names that stand out given they are (majority) on long term contracts and are permanently signed players.


Who’s paying for this cull, as players won’t leave their contracts without payment, this could be a financial problem for Hibs. What a waste of money

Who’s paying for this at Hibs, someone or a collective have made a real mess of this

[A Hi-Bee]

Who’s paying for this cull, as players won’t leave their contracts without payment, this could be a financial problem for Hibs. What a waste of money

Who’s paying for this at Hibs, someone or a collective have made a real mess of this

Interesting that L.J. says on one hand he brought in 14 players while on the other hand he says he needs to get rid of a good number of them as he dont see them anywhere near the first team.
Confused, for sure I is.
:thumbsup:

[big gogs]

Who’s paying for this cull, as players won’t leave their contracts without payment, this could be a financial problem for Hibs. What a waste of money

Who’s paying for this at Hibs, someone or a collective have made a real mess of this
Can only be Ron Gordon,it’s his club ,money.over to you Ron.

[Billy Whizz]

Interesting that L.J. says on one hand he brought in 14 players while on the other hand he says he needs to get rid of a good number of them as he dont see them anywhere near the first team.
Confused, for sure I is.
:thumbsup:

I thought LJ was part of the transfer committee

[The Modfather]

Who’s paying for this cull, as players won’t leave their contracts without payment, this could be a financial problem for Hibs. What a waste of money

Who’s paying for this at Hibs, someone or a collective have made a real mess of this

Time to finally cash in on one of the big money bids for Newell….

Joking aside, I think we’re stuck with the majority of this squad and their financial drain, and the best we can hope for is loaning them out and saving some wages, like Doidge, until their contracts expire.

If we can’t move players on, like Mitchell, I’d like to see us freeze them out and replace them with a youngster. Would be the worst outcome if our bloated and lacking quality squad was also blocking the pathway for our youngsters.

[A Hi-Bee]

I thought LJ was part of the transfer committee

Dont know, just referencing what he was saying to the newspapers Herald etc.

[big gogs]

Ryan to The Rangers gathering some momentum apparently - would be a terrible move for him if so.
If he goes to rangers ,he will become the darling of the west coast mafia,sorry media,as opposed to the reckless wee laddie he was being accused of being.

[bingo70]

I thought LJ was part of the transfer committee

As a long time defender of the transfer committee and LJ to an extend I have to say I don’t really get how he can still be blaming the previous regime and any strategy that was in place before his arrival.

It might not be perfect but he was a part of it.

I tend to think that any noises being made by the manager now are with a message in mind to the people above him in some way. I suspect he knows he’s got January to save his job and is almost getting his excuses in just in case he’s not backed the way he wants.

[Unseen work]

What I will say in defence of the transfer committee/scouting network is they’ve been rushing last minute due to changes in managers.

For example

Summer 2021-January 2022 planning for a January based on Ross and what he wants

Ross is sacked in December and Maloney appointed

January 2022-Summer 2022 planning for a summer based on Maloney and what he wants

Maloney is sacked and we have an interim manager in Gray

Johnson then appointed in summer 2022.

Now we’re in a position where the management and recruitment team have worked together for months and know exactly what they want and who they don’t want. Some guys impressed Johnson in pre season but now he’ll have realised they’re not of the required standard

The main one to me was Henderson who looked brilliant in pre season and I imagine Johnson thought he would play a much bigger part.

I’m genuinely quite excited as I think it will, for the first time in a while, show a clear plan.

[Scotty Leither]

I think Noubile would be a decent signing too. He rag dolls our defenders every time he plays against them.Showed up well against Hearts the last time he played then too and would give us a bit of presence that we lack against them.

I could actually see him signing for them, especially if Livingston want a fee, which would probably rule us out and would be especially galling to see as we appear to have spent what money we did have on utter dross.

[Jones28]

If he goes to rangers ,he will become the darling of the west coast mafia,sorry media,as opposed to the reckless wee laddie he was being accused of being.

He will instantly mature under the guidance of some ****wit old bigot who shows him “the rangers way”.

[Hibs4185]

Ryan to The Rangers gathering some momentum apparently - would be a terrible move for him if so.

From reckless hot head to £20 million defender over night

[MWHIBBIES]

If he goes to rangers ,he will become the darling of the west coast mafia,sorry media,as opposed to the reckless wee laddie he was being accused of being.

Can't see it. They hate him. Wouldn't be a good move. Hopefully he's smarter than that.

Not welcome at Easter road again if he does sign for them.

[matty_f]

As a long time defender of the transfer committee and LJ to an extend I have to say I don’t really get how he can still be blaming the previous regime and any strategy that was in place before his arrival.

It might not be perfect but he was a part of it.

I tend to think that any noises being made by the manager now are with a message in mind to the people above him in some way. I suspect he knows he’s got January to save his job and is almost getting his excuses in just in case he’s not backed the way he wants.

I'm amazed at the free ride that Johnson gets on transfer activity, and I say that as someone who backs Johnson. He's says he has sign off on players so he can't distance himself from the signings we made.

[Donegal Hibby]

Read that Utd are going to take Fish back in January and loan him out again in league 1 or 2 . Because of his lack of game time at us !

[SteveHFC]

Ryan to The Rangers gathering some momentum apparently - would be a terrible move for him if so.

He loses my full support if he goes to them.

[SteveHFC]

Read that Utd are going to take Fish back in January and loan him out again in league 1 or 2 . Because of his lack of game time at us !

So that’s us needing 2 centre-backs in January.

[Donegal Hibby]

So that’s us needing 2 centre-backs in January.
If article is correct that I've read which was in one of the Manchester papers then it would appear to me that we will need two unless we have someone that can take a step up to first team that we already have meaning a young player

[SMAXXA]

I thought LJ was part of the transfer committee

The fact he signed off on certain players doesn’t mean he identified them and actually wanted them as first choice. More likely deals were far progressed and he’s looked at the evidence of why we identified them and agreed to take them on due to him just being in the door.

Would expect to see a very different window next summer and less so January.

[hibsforeurope]

I'm amazed at the free ride that Johnson gets on transfer activity, and I say that as someone who backs Johnson. He's says he has sign off on players so he can't distance himself from the signings we made.

Is that line he came out with, having final sign off on players, the managerial equivalent of the new player having to praise the facilities at HTC in his initial press conference?
Does he feel pressured into agreeing with the players put to him? It would take a strong character to disagree with the owners family and your boss.

[matty_f]

Is that line he came out with, having final sign off on players, the managerial equivalent of the new player having to praise the facilities at HTC in his initial press conference?
Does he feel pressured into agreeing with the players put to him? It would take a strong character to disagree with the owners family and your boss.

If he's not got the minerals to say no to players put to him, then he's got no place being in the manager's seat at Hibs.

[hibsforeurope]

If he's not got the minerals to say no to players put to him, then he's got no place being in the manager's seat at Hibs.

That’s the type of person the owner wants at the club, someone who goes along with his plan. He’s publicly spoke out against those who disagree with him, he it the fans or others who have been let go.

But that’s for another thread.

[Donegal Hibby]

Was reading that Robbie has dismissed going for Aussie ' jack Brimmer ' . Did we not try and sign him at one point ? Anyone know what kind of player he is ? And would he make a difference to our midfield?

[J-C]

Read that Utd are going to take Fish back in January and loan him out again in league 1 or 2 . Because of his lack of game time at us !


Understandable, they send him on loan to earn game time like we do with our youngsters, we could always bring back Kyle McClelland from his loan spell at Cove.

[Since452]

What I will say in defence of the transfer committee/scouting network is they’ve been rushing last minute due to changes in managers.

For example

Summer 2021-January 2022 planning for a January based on Ross and what he wants

Ross is sacked in December and Maloney appointed

January 2022-Summer 2022 planning for a summer based on Maloney and what he wants

Maloney is sacked and we have an interim manager in Gray

Johnson then appointed in summer 2022.

Now we’re in a position where the management and recruitment team have worked together for months and know exactly what they want and who they don’t want. Some guys impressed Johnson in pre season but now he’ll have realised they’re not of the required standard

The main one to me was Henderson who looked brilliant in pre season and I imagine Johnson thought he would play a much bigger part.

I’m genuinely quite excited as I think it will, for the first time in a while, show a clear plan.

So am I. This summer in particular excites me. LJ will by now have seen what he likes and what he doesn't and i'm sure there are a few players in for a rude awakening. We just need to get through this sticky patch. Your point is a very good one and is exactly why we need to stick with our manager.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is that line he came out with, having final sign off on players, the managerial equivalent of the new player having to praise the facilities at HTC in his initial press conference?
Does he feel pressured into agreeing with the players put to him? It would take a strong character to disagree with the owners family and your boss.

Him having final sign off really doesn’t tell us anything.

“You want a striker? Ok, it’s Bojang or another player of similar calibre and background, you pick what one.”

Or

“The only striker we have for you is Bojang, take him or leave him”

Is that really supposed to be considered backing a manager these days if that’s what final sign off looks like?

[Paulie Walnuts]

What I will say in defence of the transfer committee/scouting network is they’ve been rushing last minute due to changes in managers.

For example

Summer 2021-January 2022 planning for a January based on Ross and what he wants

Ross is sacked in December and Maloney appointed

January 2022-Summer 2022 planning for a summer based on Maloney and what he wants

Maloney is sacked and we have an interim manager in Gray

Johnson then appointed in summer 2022.

Now we’re in a position where the management and recruitment team have worked together for months and know exactly what they want and who they don’t want. Some guys impressed Johnson in pre season but now he’ll have realised they’re not of the required standard

The main one to me was Henderson who looked brilliant in pre season and I imagine Johnson thought he would play a much bigger part.

I’m genuinely quite excited as I think it will, for the first time in a while, show a clear plan.

Does planning for windows based on what individual managers want not completely go against the whole point of the transfer committee? I thought the whole point of them was that nothing would then be ‘manager specific’ so that when the manager inevitably leaves then we don’t need to rip it all up and start again?

I can’t say I’ve got any sympathy with the transfer committee due to change of managers. The whole purpose of them being there is to negate the impact of that, something which Hibs have been desperate to point out quite a few times.

[matty_f]

Him having final sign off really doesn’t tell us anything.

“You want a striker? Ok, it’s Bojang or another player of similar calibre and background, you pick what one.”

Or

“The only striker we have for you is Bojang, take him or leave him”

Is that really supposed to be considered backing a manager these days if that’s what final sign off looks like?

That "if" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Even if it is that scenario, if the player isn't good enough you don't just accept them anyway, you push back and get everyone round the table to demonstrates why and get them to look again. You don't just meekly accept what's presented as that or nothing.

But inventing how it works doesn't help anyone.

[bingo70]

That "if" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Even if it is that scenario, if the player isn't good enough you don't just accept them anyway, you push back and get everyone round the table to demonstrates why and get them to look again. You don't just meekly accept what's presented as that or nothing.

But inventing how it works doesn't help anyone.

It’s also pretty much the exact opposite of how a committee works.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s also pretty much the exact opposite of how a committee works.

It’s exactly how Ron Gordon has described ours working in one of his lengthy discussions.

The recruitment team present players to the manager and a discussion is had on who to pursue/if to pursue them is what we were told.

[matty_f]

It’s exactly how Ron Gordon has described ours working in one of his lengthy discussions.

The recruitment team present players to the manager and a discussion is had on who to pursue/if to pursue them is what we were told.

It can't be exactly like it's been described when you've given two different scenarios.

[bingo70]

It’s exactly how Ron Gordon has described ours working in one of his lengthy discussions.

The recruitment team present players to the manager and a discussion is had on who to pursue/if to pursue them is what we were told.

You’re ignoring the part that LJ also puts forwards his players he knows about though and suggesting it’s one way, take it or leave it ultimatums given to the manager. There’s absolutely no suggestion that’s the case, especially when he’s on record as saying Kenneh, Jair and big Mike were his targets due to contacts he’s got.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It can't be exactly like it's been described when you've given two different scenarios.

Yes, it can.

We were told that the manager will be offered player(s) by the transfer committee and they’ll discuss whether to pursue them. In both my scenarios that’s exactly what is being done.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You’re ignoring the part that LJ also puts forwards his players he knows about though and suggesting it’s one way, take it or leave it ultimatums given to the manager. There’s absolutely no suggestion that’s the case, especially when he’s on record as saying Kenneh, Jair and big Mike were his targets due to contacts he’s got.

So 3 out of about 15? Pick 20% yourself, but the majority will be from Ron’s laddie. Hardly great backing.

[CapitalGreen]

LJ said after the Falkirk game he was happy with our central midfield options and had no plans to bring anyone new in that position. That’s on him.

I said at the time he must have extreme confidence in his abilities to get a tune out of what we had as not being able to get a functional midfield on the pitch has cost our last 4 managers their jobs.

[CapitalGreen]

So 3 out of about 15? Pick 20% yourself, but the majority will be from Ron’s laddie. Hardly great backing.

It’s 3 that he knows for certain. If I was guessing man, I’d say Fish would also be through his contacts down south and McGeady too obviously.

Marshall was arranged by Maloney before he left.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Hearts looking at Callum Patterson. Out of contract end of season. Will still be on a good wage at wednesday and likely going to have to meet that. Still 28 seems like he's been around for ages

[Paulie Walnuts]

LJ said after the Falkirk game he was happy with our central midfield options and had no plans to bring anyone new in that position. That’s on him.

I said at the time he must have extreme confidence in his abilities to get a tune out of what we had as not being able to get a functional midfield on the pitch has cost our last 4 managers their jobs.

The centre of midfield is a disaster and I have no idea why it’s been neglected for so long. It’s almost a certainty to see off yet another manager. Considering the lengths of contract they’ve all got I would be surprised if there will be more managerial casualties in future who have to deal with them as well.

[Jones28]

Hearts looking at Callum Patterson. Out of contract end of season. Will still be on a good wage at wednesday and likely going to have to meet that. Still 28 seems like he's been around for ages

He'd be a good signing for anyone in Scotland outside the OF.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hearts looking at Callum Patterson. Out of contract end of season. Will still be on a good wage at wednesday and likely going to have to meet that. Still 28 seems like he's been around for ages

I presumed he’d been injured if he was coming back but he seems to have played loads of games.

If he’s anything like the player that left he’ll be a very good signing for them unfortunately.

[hibsforeurope]

The centre of midfield is a disaster and I have no idea why it’s been neglected for so long. It’s almost a certainty to see off yet another manager. Considering the lengths of contract they’ve all got I would be surprised if there will be more managerial casualties in future who have to deal with them as well.

On paper the midfield looks fine, in reality (that we can all see) it needs an overhaul, total or partial. too much of our business is done on paper (or screen) this only gives half the story and is probably why key deficiencies have been overlooked.

[Smartie]

Hearts looking at Callum Patterson. Out of contract end of season. Will still be on a good wage at wednesday and likely going to have to meet that. Still 28 seems like he's been around for ages


He'd be a good signing for anyone in Scotland outside the OF.

Taking into account his versatility, he'd be an absolutely immense signing for us...

:tin hat:

[Hibbyradge]

He loses my full support if he goes to them.

Surely that goes without saying?

If he's no longer a Hibs player, he loses my support, wherever he goes.

[Smartie]

LJ said after the Falkirk game he was happy with our central midfield options and had no plans to bring anyone new in that position. That’s on him.

I said at the time he must have extreme confidence in his abilities to get a tune out of what we had as not being able to get a functional midfield on the pitch has cost our last 4 managers their jobs.

There was definitely a naivety to his comments about the midfield over the summer.

I think he genuinely believed that collectively those players were good enough. He basically just needed to work with them for a few months to learn that they were not.

The midfield situation continues to mystify me. On paper it should work better than it does, but so often combinations of decent players just make inept units who put in dire collective team performances.



I'd expect it to be an area he badly wants to address in January.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Surely that goes without saying?

If he's no longer a Hibs player, he loses my support, wherever he goes.

:agree:

Anyone that goes to another team in our league loses all my support.

Said the same when JR went to DU and people were desperate for him to be a success despite the fact that would be bad news for Hibs.

If you go somewhere where you have no impact on Hibs though then I’ll wish you well, much like SJM, McGeough, Marciano etc.

[matty_f]

Yes, it can.

We were told that the manager will be offered player(s) by the transfer committee and they’ll discuss whether to pursue them. In both my scenarios that’s exactly what is being done.

Ok then.

[Since452]

Hearts looking at Callum Patterson. Out of contract end of season. Will still be on a good wage at wednesday and likely going to have to meet that. Still 28 seems like he's been around for ages

The Wednesday fans want him gone ASAP.

[J-C]

Does planning for windows based on what individual managers want not completely go against the whole point of the transfer committee? I thought the whole point of them was that nothing would then be ‘manager specific’ so that when the manager inevitably leaves then we don’t need to rip it all up and start again?

I can’t say I’ve got any sympathy with the transfer committee due to change of managers. The whole purpose of them being there is to negate the impact of that, something which Hibs have been desperate to point out quite a few times.


That was the plan under Leeann and George Craig, the profile of players would always be the same and the manager would fit into that plan, so no matter who the manager was the squad and player profile wouldn't change. That all changed when Lennon signed.

[CapitalGreen]

The Wednesday fans want him gone ASAP.

From playing in the EPL to not getting a game in League 1, his career has taken some tumble. Not the first Scottish player whose career has gone off a cliff before hitting 30.

[bingo70]

The centre of midfield is a disaster and I have no idea why it’s been neglected for so long. It’s almost a certainty to see off yet another manager. Considering the lengths of contract they’ve all got I would be surprised if there will be more managerial casualties in future who have to deal with them as well.

The logic in the summer was that LJ felt he could get more out of the midfield than what the previous managers did. For a while when Campbell was playing well it looked like he was maybe right, it’s not turned out that way though.

FWIW I didn’t agree with that logic and I think we should have signed a midfielder but that was the logic.

[Smartie]

That was the plan under Leeann and George Craig, the profile of players would always be the same and the manager would fit into that plan, so no matter who the manager was the squad and player profile wouldn't change. That all changed when Lennon signed.

I wonder if George Craig is the person we've missed most?

For a short spell, that part of the club seemed to run like clockwork. It was a shambles for a while before, and it's been a shambles since.

[hibsforeurope]

I wonder if George Craig is the person we've missed most?

For a short spell, that part of the club seemed to run like clockwork. It was a shambles for a while before, and it's been a shambles since.

We absolutely have, someone with experience and knowhow, nothing flashy but there to oversee the whole process. making sure nothing is missed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I wonder if George Craig is the person we've missed most?

For a short spell, that part of the club seemed to run like clockwork. It was a shambles for a while before, and it's been a shambles since.

The spell when George Craig was here was potentially the best state the club has been in in my life time.

Him and Leeann are sorely missed.

[bingo70]

I wonder if George Craig is the person we've missed most?

For a short spell, that part of the club seemed to run like clockwork. It was a shambles for a while before, and it's been a shambles since.

Were we not in the first division for nearly his whole spell at the club?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Were we not in the first division for nearly his whole spell at the club?

He was here for 2 and a half years in the top flight.

[bingo70]

He was here for 2 and a half years in the top flight.

Ah fair enough, I stand corrected then.

[J-C]

He was here for 2 and a half years in the top flight.


He left in Sept 2019, I think things changed when Lennon and then Heckinbottom came in, signing policy changed when players were brought in by the managers and not by the trusted recruitment process that was in place beforehand, Leeann left a year later.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He left in Sept 2019, I think things changed when Lennon and then Heckinbottom came in, signing policy changed when players were brought in by the managers and not by the trusted recruitment process that was in place beforehand, Leeann left a year later.

Hibs announced in September 19 that he was leaving in the December. Not sure if that changed or not though but don’t recall ever hearing it did. Mathie took over in the January though so would presume it didn’t change.

[matty_f]

Hibs announced in September 19 that he was leaving in the December. Not sure if that changed or not though but don’t recall ever hearing it did. Mathie took over in the January though so would presume it didn’t change.

That sounds about right. :agree:

[CapitalGreen]

The spell when George Craig was here was potentially the best state the club has been in in my life time.

Him and Leeann are sorely missed.

It’s not as if we didn’t sign lots of s**** players back then too, we just got away with it because we were playing the likes of Dumbarton and Alloa most weeks. The reality is we miss John McGinn, we were mediocre before he arrived and we’ve been mediocre since he left. Below are 25 players signed under Craig/Mathie who made next to zero impact. In hindsight, Summer 2015 transfer window is probably the only one in recent years which was an overall success.

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[hibees 7062]

Hearts looking at Callum Patterson. Out of contract end of season. Will still be on a good wage at wednesday and likely going to have to meet that. Still 28 seems like he's been around for ages

Done deal

[Smartie]

It’s not as if we didn’t sign lots of s**** players back then too, we just got away with it because we were playing the likes of Dumbarton and Alloa most weeks. The reality is we miss John McGinn, we were mediocre before he arrived and we’ve been mediocre since he left. Below are 25 players signed under Craig/Mathie who made next to zero impact. In hindsight, Summer 2015 transfer window is probably the only one in recent years which was an overall success.

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I always think it's really really harsh to point out the duff signings a manager made. Fergie made some absolute stinkers for Man United, didn't stop him being the best manager of all time.

The good players signed during that era became the bedrock of an excellent side for years to come. The duff ones were moved on relatively quickly, without making a serious negative impact (very different to some of the players we currently have contracted and who are unlikely to make much of a positive impact on the park, either any time soon or ever) as should be done by any competent regime when they get it wrong.

Yes, we miss John McGinn, any club would. But even before he joined we were a significantly stronger team/ club than we'd been just a year before. To say it's all about McGinn does a great disservice to Gray, McGregor, Fontaine, Gunnarson, Ambrose, Boyle, Fyvie, McGeouch, Bartley, Allan, Henderson, Stokes and more, all of whom arrived a year or two either side of the time McGinn arrived, and all of whom played a big part in the revival of our fortunes.

[Dmas]

The spell when George Craig was here was potentially the best state the club has been in in my life time.

Him and Leeann are sorely missed.

We where advertising companies who weren’t paying any money during that time, the stadium was going to ****, hospitality offering was hopeless, I agree playing staff wise we where doing ok they did have a clean sheet to work off though and we still had guys like eckersley, rherras just squad fillers who it certainly looked like stubbs didn’t want or need the only difference being there was a partly successful side on the pitch to stifle the moaning

[Tambo]

Garry O'Connor believes Lee Johnson signed 'too many players' in the summer.

14 players arrived at Hibs during the transfer window, but many have struggled to break into the starting eleven. Johnson admitted, earlier this week, that he will need to trim his squad in January as the Leith side have 28 players around the first-team group.

O'Connor has urged Johnson to utilise the club's 'fantastic' academy. The 39-year-old's son, Josh, is one of Hibs brightest prospects and O'Connor believes the youngsters could flourish - if handed the chance.

[Since452]

It’s not as if we didn’t sign lots of s**** players back then too, we just got away with it because we were playing the likes of Dumbarton and Alloa most weeks. The reality is we miss John McGinn, we were mediocre before he arrived and we’ve been mediocre since he left. Below are 25 players signed under Craig/Mathie who made next to zero impact. In hindsight, Summer 2015 transfer window is probably the only one in recent years which was an overall success.

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That's quite a spectacular list of mediocrity.

[SHODAN]

Done deal

Hearts interested in player already proven at this level that would immediately improve their starting XI

Hearts sign player already proven at this level that would immediately improve their starting XI

Such wizardry. Is there any way we can emulate this maverick signing strategy?

[Since452]

Garry O'Connor believes Lee Johnson signed 'too many players' in the summer.

14 players arrived at Hibs during the transfer window, but many have struggled to break into the starting eleven. Johnson admitted, earlier this week, that he will need to trim his squad in January as the Leith side have 28 players around the first-team group.

O'Connor has urged Johnson to utilise the club's 'fantastic' academy. The 39-year-old's son, Josh, is one of Hibs brightest prospects and O'Connor believes the youngsters could flourish - if handed the chance.

There's a shock.

[Billy Whizz]

There's a shock.

Not really. How do we know if they’ll make it or not, if they don’t get a chance

[Paulie Walnuts]

We where advertising companies who weren’t paying any money during that time, the stadium was going to ****, hospitality offering was hopeless, I agree playing staff wise we where doing ok they did have a clean sheet to work off though and we still had guys like eckersley, rherras just squad fillers who it certainly looked like stubbs didn’t want or need the only difference being there was a partly successful side on the pitch to stifle the moaning

I think your last point is key. At the end of the day, it’s all fans care about and we had a team packed with very good players.

[Since452]

Hearts interested in player already proven at this level that would immediately improve their starting XI

Hearts sign player already proven at this level that would immediately improve their starting XI

Such wizardry. Is there any way we can emulate this maverick signing strategy?

I'm not sure he will improve them. Toiling to get a game at league one level and SW fans less than impressed by him. I'm quite pleased they've signed him.

[Stuart93]

I'm not sure he will improve them. Toiling to get a game at league one level and SW fans less than impressed by him. I'm quite pleased they've signed him.

I reckon he definitely improves them and adds more experience to their squad regardless of how things are going down south. Similar to them signing shankland who wasn’t doing well in Belgium and we were told he’d flop back here.

Proven up here as well.

Why can’t we make signings like this?

[Since452]

I reckon he definitely improves them and adds more experience to their squad.

Proven up here as well.

Why can’t we make signings like this?

Martin Boyle?

[Dmas]

I think your last point is key. At the end of the day, it’s all fans care about and we had a team packed with very good players.

Totally agree but you could also argue we where a championship side for 3 years and we should be at the very least partly successful down there

[Stuart93]

Martin Boyle?

*more signings like this

As opposed to young untested guys who haven’t improved us

[MikeyS]

I reckon he definitely improves them and adds more experience to their squad regardless of how things are going down south. Similar to them signing shankland who wasn’t doing well in Belgium and we were told he’d flop back here.

Proven up here as well.

Why can’t we make signings like this?

People earlier had the cheek to call Nouble a huddy, Paterson truly is a huddy. 28 years old and still never found a real position to play. Will run through brick walls and most likely score against us as soon as he can but he is tripe!

[MikeyS]

There's a shock.

Rent a mooth keeping himself relevant in the papers and trying to get his laddie a game.

Josh is clearly an exciting prospect but he didn't even stand out against 40 & 50 year olds in the Hanlon/Stevenson game! His time will come but I don't think it's right now.

[chippy]

The centre of midfield is a disaster and I have no idea why it’s been neglected for so long. It’s almost a certainty to see off yet another manager. Considering the lengths of contract they’ve all got I would be surprised if there will be more managerial casualties in future who have to deal with them as well.

Spot on Stubbsy

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I’d rather watch a Hibs team full of youngsters than this shower.

[overdrive]

I always think it's really really harsh to point out the duff signings a manager made. Fergie made some absolute stinkers for Man United, didn't stop him being the best manager of all time.

The good players signed during that era became the bedrock of an excellent side for years to come. The duff ones were moved on relatively quickly, without making a serious negative impact (very different to some of the players we currently have contracted and who are unlikely to make much of a positive impact on the park, either any time soon or ever) as should be done by any competent regime when they get it wrong.

Yes, we miss John McGinn, any club would. But even before he joined we were a significantly stronger team/ club than we'd been just a year before. To say it's all about McGinn does a great disservice to Gray, McGregor, Fontaine, Gunnarson, Ambrose, Boyle, Fyvie, McGeouch, Bartley, Allan, Henderson, Stokes and more, all of whom arrived a year or two either side of the time McGinn arrived, and all of whom played a big part in the revival of our fortunes.

Yep and clearly some on that list were always intended as backups or to fill in during an injury crisis. I'd take the goalkeepers out for a start.

[NC1875]

If article is correct that I've read which was in one of the Manchester papers then it would appear to me that we will need two unless we have someone that can take a step up to first team that we already have meaning a young player

Kyle McClelland should be getting a run in the team ahead of Ryan now.

[offshorehibby]

Kyle McClelland should be getting a run in the team ahead of Ryan now.

Kyle McClelland is currently recovering from injury and on loan at Cove

[MikeyS]

I’d rather watch a Hibs team full of youngsters than this shower.

Can you imagine the reaction if LJ sent out our 18s against Rangers at Ibrox or Hearts at Tynie and we got horsed. Meltdown wouldn't even begin to cover it!

[hibsforeurope]

Porto to Sevco gathering pace now, Hibs should let him train on his own now, dont need players not committed near the 1st team squad now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yep and clearly some on that list were always intended as backups or to fill in during an injury crisis. I'd take the goalkeepers out for a start.

It’s also a list that runs over a 5 season period so averaging 5 poor signings a season or 2.5 per window.

Considering we signed 14 players in the window just past and only 3 or so have been unarguable successes it’s certainly a better strike rate than we’ve had recently. And that’s before you get into the fact that we also signed way more very good players at that time as well.

[Stuart93]

People earlier had the cheek to call Nouble a huddy, Paterson truly is a huddy. 28 years old and still never found a real position to play. Will run through brick walls and most likely score against us as soon as he can but he is tripe!

We could do with players who’d run through brick walls for us and score against them.

Effort goes a long way playing our league imo and at times I don’t think some of our players show enough of it. Although admittedly, our misfortune on the pitch is more down to a lack of quality

[MWHIBBIES]

We where advertising companies who weren’t paying any money during that time, the stadium was going to ****, hospitality offering was hopeless, I agree playing staff wise we where doing ok they did have a clean sheet to work off though and we still had guys like eckersley, rherras just squad fillers who it certainly looked like stubbs didn’t want or need the only difference being there was a partly successful side on the pitch to stifle the moaning

We didn't need those guys because Lewis didn't get injured. If he had, we would've.

They were extremely successful. We done much better than okay.

[Donegal Hibby]

Porto to Sevco gathering pace now, Hibs should let him train on his own now, dont need players not committed near the 1st team squad now.
A ex Hibs manager is saying he heard it . Hopefully a load of bull.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/sport/football/ryan-porteous-rangers-switch-inside-28675544

[MikeyS]

We could do with players who’d run through brick walls for us and score against them.

Effort goes a long way playing our league imo and at times I don’t think some of our players show enough of it

Totally agree with you Stu. I'd love to see a few horrible bassas in the starting 11 that you know won't hesitate to put themselves about when required. More with wee Lewy's attitude is what is lacking.

It's a great sight when he is in a mood and going for a 50/50. The rest of them are too soft and unfortunately don't have the football skills to make up for their lack of desire.

Still doesn't have me fearing Calum Paterson however

[CapitalGreen]

It’s also a list that runs over a 5 season period so averaging 5 poor signings a season or 2.5 per window.

Considering we signed 14 players in the window just past and only 3 or so have been unarguable successes it’s certainly a better strike rate than we’ve had recently. And that’s before you get into the fact that we also signed way more very good players at that time as well.

That isn’t a list of all our poor signings over the period, it’s just those that hardly played. We had many others that unfortunately got a decent amount of game time for us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That isn’t a list of all our poor signings over the period, it’s just those that hardly played. We had many others that unfortunately got a decent amount of game time for us.

Ah ok fair enough.

[Ronniekirk]

I reckon he definitely improves them and adds more experience to their squad regardless of how things are going down south. Similar to them signing shankland who wasn’t doing well in Belgium and we were told he’d flop back here.

Proven up here as well.

Why can’t we make signings like this?

They now have even more money from Europeanrun on top of benefactor fan money etc etcSo it’s simple the can outbid us and pay more wages and offer European football again
We were in the driving seat withRoss getting us into Europe and instead of capitalising in that and kicking on we have shots ourselves in the foot several times
It’s hard to see the January window changing much for us

[matty_f]

Martin Boyle?

Apart from him.

And Marshall. And McGeady. And Magennis. And Doyle Hayes.

[JimBHibees]

Kyle McClelland should be getting a run in the team ahead of Ryan now.

Why? He is nowhere near as good

[Stuart93]

Apart from him.

And Marshall. And McGeady. And Magennis. And Doyle Hayes.

Magennis and Doyle Hayes aren’t experienced or really proven in our league? JDH is mediocre at best and magennis hasn’t been fit long enough to prove himself.

I’ll give you marshall, mcgeady was always going to be a gamble with his recent injury record.

If you want to be pedantic and completely miss the point I’m making that’s alright. Meanwhile our rivals will continue to sign players that are strengthening them, leaving us behind.

[Stuart93]

Totally agree with you Stu. I'd love to see a few horrible bassas in the starting 11 that you know won't hesitate to put themselves about when required. More with wee Lewy's attitude is what is lacking.

It's a great sight when he is in a mood and going for a 50/50. The rest of them are too soft and unfortunately don't have the football skills to make up for their lack of desire.

Still doesn't have me fearing Calum Paterson however

Wouldn’t say I’m fearing him either but think he’d be a decent signing for them.

Can bet your bottom dollar he’d pop up with a headed goal in between our centre backs.

[Dmas]

We didn't need those guys because Lewis didn't get injured. If he had, we would've.

They were extremely successful. We done much better than okay.

It took 3 years to get out the first division we got beat in a league cup final off Ross county and hearts where coming out of administration and where better prepared than we where, it’s easy to think all was rosey because we ended the hoodoo and had a winning team on the park but we where playing a lower level and made pretty hard work of it.
I know it’s a mess at the minute but to be pining over dempster and George Craig as some king of glory years is a bit much they had failings as well

[Jones28]

Why? He is nowhere near as good

On recent form Porteous is not a good option. Fish or KM should be getting game time ahead of him now that we know he's not staying.

[bigwheel]

On recent form Porteous is not a good option. Fish or KM should be getting game time ahead of him now that we know he's not staying.

We should always play our best 11. Porto remains our best defender , staying or not .

[Dmas]

Will Fish linked with a recall and EFL loan switch not great timing that

[JimBHibees]

We should always play our best 11. Porto remains our best defender , staying or not .

Absolutely

[Brightside]

Kyle McClelland should be getting a run in the team ahead of Ryan now.

Based on what? He's done pretty much nothing since we signed him. We have 2 other CBs waiting to play who are ahead of him in terms of quality.

[Trinity Hibee]

Will Fish linked with a recall and EFL loan switch not great timing that

Not a surprise I guess. Completely wasted loan trip up here. Shame as he came with good reviews from down south. I think all the loan deals will be terminated in January in order to free up cash.

[OldEast]

Not a surprise I guess. Completely wasted loan trip up here. Shame as he came with good reviews from down south. I think all the loan deals will be terminated in January in order to free up cash.

He was recalled from his previous loan club because he wasn't getting much game time. No surprise to hear this.

[MWHIBBIES]

It took 3 years to get out the first division we got beat in a league cup final off Ross county and hearts where coming out of administration and where better prepared than we where, it’s easy to think all was rosey because we ended the hoodoo and had a winning team on the park but we where playing a lower level and made pretty hard work of it.
I know it’s a mess at the minute but to be pining over dempster and George Craig as some king of glory years is a bit much they had failings as well

Amazing how a cup and 4 years of improving, signing good players and playing good football can paper over cracks isn't it.

I'd do anything for them back at Hibs.

[Stuart93]

Not a surprise I guess. Completely wasted loan trip up here. Shame as he came with good reviews from down south. I think all the loan deals will be terminated in January in order to free up cash.

Can’t wait to ***** it elsewhere

[eastmainsmsh]

If Ryan Porteous is Hun Bound try and get Arfield plus Cash 😆

[Mcbizz1998]

If Porteous goes there then he can gtf with any chat of being a massive hibs supporter.

I can live with him not signing a contract and heading down south for a new challenge, but to screw his “boyhood hero’s” out of a transfer fee so he can go and sign for that **** club is a step too far for me.

If he signs a pre-contract with them, then he should told not to come back to the training ground again.

[SHODAN]

If Porteous goes there then he can gtf with any chat of being a massive hibs supporter.

I can live with him not signing a contract and heading down south for a new challenge, but to screw his “boyhood hero’s” out of a transfer fee so he can go and sign for that **** club is a step too far for me.

If he signs a pre-contract with them, then he should told not to come back to the training ground again.

Absolutely. Thomson'd it.

[Mcbizz1998]

Absolutely. Thomson'd it.

I’m just hoping it’s nonsense mate. Would be a tough one to stomach seeing him at Ibrox.

[JohnM1875]

If Porteous goes there then he can gtf with any chat of being a massive hibs supporter.

I can live with him not signing a contract and heading down south for a new challenge, but to screw his “boyhood hero’s” out of a transfer fee so he can go and sign for that **** club is a step too far for me.

If he signs a pre-contract with them, then he should told not to come back to the training ground again.

Exactly where I'm at as well.

[SteveHFC]

If Porteous goes there then he can gtf with any chat of being a massive hibs supporter.

I can live with him not signing a contract and heading down south for a new challenge, but to screw his “boyhood hero’s” out of a transfer fee so he can go and sign for that **** club is a step too far for me.

If he signs a pre-contract with them, then he should told not to come back to the training ground again.

Yep spot on.

[Hibby70]

If Porteous goes there then he can gtf with any chat of being a massive hibs supporter.

I can live with him not signing a contract and heading down south for a new challenge, but to screw his “boyhood hero’s” out of a transfer fee so he can go and sign for that **** club is a step too far for me.

If he signs a pre-contract with them, then he should told not to come back to the training ground again.

It's fantasy land to think that many professional football players have any extra loyalty to teams they have supposedly supported as kids.

Most will follow the money and most won't really have followed the club like normal fans as they've had a career that clashes with games.

One things for sure he'll get a much easier time from the BbC pundits once he joins the Hun.

[silverhibee]

Garry O'Connor believes Lee Johnson signed 'too many players' in the summer.

14 players arrived at Hibs during the transfer window, but many have struggled to break into the starting eleven. Johnson admitted, earlier this week, that he will need to trim his squad in January as the Leith side have 28 players around the first-team group.

O'Connor has urged Johnson to utilise the club's 'fantastic' academy. The 39-year-old's son, Josh, is one of Hibs brightest prospects and O'Connor believes the youngsters could flourish - if handed the chance.

Or….

[Dmas]

Amazing how a cup and 4 years of improving, signing good players and playing good football can paper over cracks isn't it.

I'd do anything for them back at Hibs.

Improving, mate we where struggling against Falkirk, I’m not saying it was a rubbish time but a bit of perspective before worshipping everything LD & GC done in comparison with RG now, there’s a list full of names of players not even close to being good enough further up the thread the stadium hospitality advertising HTC all left to run into the ground there was frailties with them it wasn’t all perfect

[Dmas]

If Porteous goes there then he can gtf with any chat of being a massive hibs supporter.

I can live with him not signing a contract and heading down south for a new challenge, but to screw his “boyhood hero’s” out of a transfer fee so he can go and sign for that **** club is a step too far for me.

If he signs a pre-contract with them, then he should told not to come back to the training ground again.

Can’t argue with that, I’d be amazed if he goes there though

[Mcbizz1998]

It's fantasy land to think that many professional football players have any extra loyalty to teams they have supposedly supported as kids.

Most will follow the money and most won't really have followed the club like normal fans as they've had a career that clashes with games.

One things for sure he'll get a much easier time from the BbC pundits once he joins the Hun.

No problem. He should have kept his mouth shut and not told us all he is a massive Hibs supporter then. He was accepted and defended by our supporters on that basis, he can’t have it both ways.

Edit - I should say, this rumour could be nonsense and he won’t go to them. The above is based on ‘if’ he goes to them.

[bingo70]

If Porteous goes there then he can gtf with any chat of being a massive hibs supporter.

I can live with him not signing a contract and heading down south for a new challenge, but to screw his “boyhood hero’s” out of a transfer fee so he can go and sign for that **** club is a step too far for me.

If he signs a pre-contract with them, then he should told not to come back to the training ground again.

Once you get past the age of about 8 or 9 is there a difference between being a Hibs supporter and a massive Hibs supporter?

I’ve been a season ticket holder for years, spent more than I’d like to remember on the club but if I was a professional football player and got the chance to join them for an extra £10k a week or so you wouldn’t see me for dust.

Does that mean I’m just a Hibs fan and not a massive Hibs fan then?

[bingo70]

No problem. He should have kept his mouth shut and not told us all he is a massive Hibs supporter then. He was accepted and defended by our supporters on that basis, he can’t have it both ways.

Edit - I should say, this rumour could be nonsense and he won’t go to them. The above is based on ‘if’ he goes to them.

He was accepted and defended because of his performances, not because of what he has said.

[ancient hibee]

Once you get past the age of about 8 or 9 is there a difference between being a Hibs supporter and a massive Hibs supporter?

I’ve been a season ticket holder for years, spent more than I’d like to remember on the club but if I was a professional football player and got the chance to join them for an extra £10k a week or so you wouldn’t see me for dust.

Does that mean I’m just a Hibs fan and not a massive Hibs fan then?

No it means you're a normal professional football player:greengrin

[CL0762]

Loyalty is a word that shouldn’t exist anymore.

If Ryan was ***** at football, would we show any loyalty to him because he grew up a Hibs fan? No we wouldn’t.

It’s his job, his job like everyone of us is to maximise his earnings in the best way he can.

Saying that, after everything that’s happened in the past it would leave a very very sour taste if he went to Rangers.

[Dmas]

Once you get past the age of about 8 or 9 is there a difference between being a Hibs supporter and a massive Hibs supporter?

I’ve been a season ticket holder for years, spent more than I’d like to remember on the club but if I was a professional football player and got the chance to join them for an extra £10k a week or so you wouldn’t see me for dust.

Does that mean I’m just a Hibs fan and not a massive Hibs fan then?

I think nowadays you’d be lucky if he’s going to get 10k a week there never mind 10k more than what we are offering, I think the massive hibs fan part comes into play when your leaving for rangers you know the feeling the fans have towards them..even understand it to leave for them for free isn’t really something someone who shares those feelings would do all in my humble opinion of course

[Rumble de Thump]

Better clubs than Sevco, which can offer him more money to play in a less toxic environment, will be interested in signing Ryan.

[neil7908]

Once you get past the age of about 8 or 9 is there a difference between being a Hibs supporter and a massive Hibs supporter?

I’ve been a season ticket holder for years, spent more than I’d like to remember on the club but if I was a professional football player and got the chance to join them for an extra £10k a week or so you wouldn’t see me for dust.

Does that mean I’m just a Hibs fan and not a massive Hibs fan then?

I think the problem is when it's given as a binary choice. It's not Hibs or Sevco though.

He could go down south and earn as much, if not more. And if he does well in England he'll earn a hell of a lot more than £10k a week in a couple of years.

He could do as Hendo, Ferguson and Hickey have done and move abroad to sample a new culture and way of life, and improve his football. And look at how that's worked for Hickey.

I don't mind players leaving Hibs, many have come and gone in my time supporting them but there are ways to leave that respect the fans and the club. And joining Sevco on a free isn't it. A guy like McGinn, who we all know is not a Hibee, showed us respect and ensured the club profited from his sale.

Ryan is entitled to let his contract run down of course but I don't think it's at all unreasonable for Hibs fans to be raging if he does that and joins our fierce rivals, who've also given him dogs abuse for ages.

I don't think it'll happen btw. I think he'll be off down south.

[Brightside]

Improving, mate we where struggling against Falkirk, I’m not saying it was a rubbish time but a bit of perspective before worshipping everything LD & GC done in comparison with RG now, there’s a list full of names of players not even close to being good enough further up the thread the stadium hospitality advertising HTC all left to run into the ground there was frailties with them it wasn’t all perfect

Also the stadium was **** and we are had almost no external revenue coming in. Something between the 2 options would be good. All Hibs really need is a Director of Football. I'm actually surprised they haven't renamed Steve Keans role.

[bingo70]

I think the problem is when it's given as a binary choice. It's not Hibs or Sevco though.

He could go down south and earn as much, if not more. And if he does well in England he'll earn a hell of a lot more than £10k a week in a couple of years.

He could do as Hendo, Ferguson and Hickey have done and move abroad to sample a new culture and way of life, and improve his football. And look at how that's worked for Hickey.

I don't mind players leaving Hibs, many have come and gone in my time supporting them but there are ways to leave that respect the fans and the club. And joining Sevco on a free isn't it. A guy like McGinn, who we all know is not a Hibee, showed us respect and ensured the club profited from his sale.

Ryan is entitled to let his contract run down of course but I don't think it's at all unreasonable for Hibs fans to be raging if he does that and joins our fierce rivals, who've also given him dogs abuse for ages.

I don't think it'll happen btw. I think he'll be off down south.

Maybe he doesn’t want to live abroad or move down south?

I could earn more doing what I do in London or Dubai but I don’t want to.

Not wanting to relocate if you can earn a good salary here whilst competing for trophies and playing in Europe every year makes complete sense for some people.

[Hibs90]

Maybe he doesn’t want to live abroad or move down south?

I could earn more doing what I do in London or Dubai but I don’t want to.

Not wanting to relocate if you can earn a good salary here whilst competing for trophies and playing in Europe every year makes complete sense for some people.

Doesn't make it ok.

If he goes there he should be nowhere near HTC and ER at all ever again.

[bingo70]

Doesn't make it ok.

If he goes there he should be nowhere near HTC and ER at all ever again.

It doesn’t need to make it ok. The guys perfectly entitled to make his choice.

I think it’s funny people demanding loyalty from him yet want him dropped from the team as soon as he makes a bad pass or loses his man from a corner.

There is absolutely no loyalty in football and that works both ways.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying good luck to him if he joins rangers but I’ve no issue with him making that choice. He should be selfish and do what’s right for him.

[Hibiza]

It doesn’t need to make it ok. The guys perfectly entitled to make his choice.

I think it’s funny people demanding loyalty from him yet want him dropped from the team as soon as he makes a bad pass or loses his man from a corner.

There is absolutely no loyalty in football and that works both ways.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying good luck to him if he joins rangers but I’ve no issue with him making that choice. He should be selfish and do what’s right for him.

Soon after Kenneth Miller signed for The Rangers he graced us with his presence seated in the front Main Stand , Camel coated and leather gloved.

[JimBHibees]

Better clubs than Sevco, which can offer him more money to play in a less toxic environment, will be interested in signing Ryan.

Agree would be amazed if he goes there. Championship teams down south will try and get him and pay him more. Rangers are pretty skint are they not. The hassle factor of going there given his previous with them will be a factor also imo

[Mikey_1875]

Will Fish expected to stay according to Pat McPartlin

[HoboHarry]

It doesn’t need to make it ok. The guys perfectly entitled to make his choice.

I think it’s funny people demanding loyalty from him yet want him dropped from the team as soon as he makes a bad pass or loses his man from a corner.

There is absolutely no loyalty in football and that works both ways.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying good luck to him if he joins rangers but I’ve no issue with him making that choice. He should be selfish and do what’s right for him.
Exactly, and given the fact that even LJ has stated that he's been underpaid for a long time, it's hard to imagine what posters on here think he owes Hibs at this point in his career. Wherever he goes I wish him well.

[A Hi-Bee]

Exactly, and given the fact that even LJ has stated that he's been underpaid for a long time, it's hard to imagine what posters on here think he owes Hibs at this point in his career. Wherever he goes I wish him well.

While I would hate him to go to the hun, I also half expected Slippy G to make a cheeky wee offer for him while he was at ipox.
Porto probably has real issues with his employers for shafting him for the past 5 years and who could blame him for wanting to better himself, good luck to him, unless its to the hun then well we all know the answer to that one.

[Paulie Walnuts]

While I would hate him to go to the hun, I also half expected Slippy G to make a cheeky wee offer for him while he was at ipox.
Porto probably has real issues with his employers for shafting him for the past 5 years and who could blame him for wanting to better himself, good luck to him, unless its to the hun then well we all know the answer to that one.

Why’s he been shafted for 5 years? :confused:

[Brightside]

a loan signing thats only played 1 game being a worry about going back to his club…. We really are having a poor time of it if we have fallen that far. Would be interesting to know how much we are paying for him.

[matty_f]

Why’s he been shafted for 5 years? :confused:

He hasn’t. He could argue that he deserved a higher wage but he and his agent presumably knew the terms of the contract they entered into. Hibs weren’t under any obligation to renew on improved terms at any point in that contract and while, to protect their investment, Hibs arguably should have, they’ve not shafted anyone here.

[Brightside]

Why’s he been shafted for 5 years? :confused:

According to LJ we should have been paying him 10k years ago. Think LJ needs to look at our wage profile over the last 5 years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He hasn’t. He could argue that he deserved a higher wage but he and his agent presumably knew the terms of the contract they entered into. Hibs weren’t under any obligation to renew on improved terms at any point in that contract and while, to protect their investment, Hibs arguably should have, they’ve not shafted anyone here.

Definitely.

There doesn’t seem to have been much at all in the way of proper interest in Porteous over the last five years. That would suggest he’s been at the level he should be at. I can’t say I see Porteous as someone we should have ever been breaking the bank to give a bumper new deal to over the course of the last 5 years, much in the same way that Paul Hanlon should never have been (and hasn’t been) offered a bumper pay packet.

[JimBHibees]

According to LJ we should have been paying him 10k years ago. Think LJ needs to look at our wage profile over the last 5 years.

Yep seems a little out of touch with what we could afford at that time

[HoboHarry]

While I would hate him to go to the hun, I also half expected Slippy G to make a cheeky wee offer for him while he was at ipox.
Porto probably has real issues with his employers for shafting him for the past 5 years and who could blame him for wanting to better himself, good luck to him, unless its to the hun then well we all know the answer to that one.
I don't think he's been shafted, Hibs have been good for the contract that was agreed. However, any intelligent employer knows the value of a good employee and they would have been in a better place had they offered an improved contract with an agreed sell-on clause. By the time of his Scotland appearance it was too late.

[brog]

Can't believe the amount of people getting upset over a rumour. This is what the OF always do with their friends in the media to unsettle players, their clubs and supporters. Why not wait until we see what happens before condemning our player. Personally I'm fine with Porto exercising his right to leave and I believe/hope he will be best served by moving away from Scotland. Part of me does think it would be funny though to see the rabid hordes having to applaud a player they currently loathe.

[blackpoolhibs]

According to LJ we should have been paying him 10k years ago. Think LJ needs to look at our wage profile over the last 5 years.

Going by that logic, LJ should accept a pay cut.

[theonlywayisup]

Who do we play next? :hmmm:

[Jones28]

If Porteous goes there then he can gtf with any chat of being a massive hibs supporter.

I can live with him not signing a contract and heading down south for a new challenge, but to screw his “boyhood hero’s” out of a transfer fee so he can go and sign for that **** club is a step too far for me.

If he signs a pre-contract with them, then he should told not to come back to the training ground again.

Totally agree. If buts and maybes at the moment but absolutely agree.

[CL0762]

Why’s he been shafted for 5 years? :confused:

There’s no way Hibs gave new contracts Newell, Doig, Doidge, JDH, Hanlon, Stevenson, Cadden, Boyle etc without even trying to negotiate with Porteous.

He’s maybe intimated for a long time he’s not interested in renewing, therefore he hasn’t ‘been shafted’ whatsoever.

[Iain G]

Who do we play next? :hmmm:

Raith Rovers 🤣

[Squealing pig]

No sure if mentioned but heard on Clyde phone in the other night Duffy saying Porto to hearts 😯

[HoboHarry]

No sure if mentioned but heard on Clyde phone in the other night Duffy saying Porto to hearts 😯
Had he been drinking?

[MWHIBBIES]

Improving, mate we where struggling against Falkirk, I’m not saying it was a rubbish time but a bit of perspective before worshipping everything LD & GC done in comparison with RG now, there’s a list full of names of players not even close to being good enough further up the thread the stadium hospitality advertising HTC all left to run into the ground there was frailties with them it wasn’t all perfect

And Hearts and Rangers were struggling against us. Get over the ****ing Falkirk rubbish. That side won the Scottish cup. They deserve all the worshipping they got.

I never said it was perfect. Far better than the current *****, though.

[Dunbar Hibee]

No sure if mentioned but heard on Clyde phone in the other night Duffy saying Porto to hearts 😯

I didn’t hear that. I do listen most night and caught what he was saying and he certainly hinted that Rangers was his destination - didn’t hear anything about Hearts though

[PHeffernan]

Porteous going to either side of the OF would be the football equivalent of driving into a cul-de-sac.
It's a great big world out there and i fully expect Ryan to let his talents take him to yet uncharted waters even if it's just the English Championship.
Ideally I would like him to go to Italy. Learning a new language and different football culture would keep his mind fully engaged and i think he would prosper.

[Squealing pig]

I didn’t hear that. I do listen most night and caught what he was saying and he certainly hinted that Rangers was his destination - didn’t hear anything about Hearts though

Sure it was Monday night , said he heard whispers that he was going across the city , time will tell , can’t see it myself

[Mcbizz1998]

I thought Porteous was leaving as he was being bullied by the Scottish football press? I suppose might get an easier ride at the Huns.

[BegbieHSC]

Porto leaves Scotland, he leaves with my very best wishes.

If he heads for the Huns, he leaves with absolutely none.

Simple

[Dunbar Hibee]

Sure it was Monday night , said he heard whispers that he was going across the city , time will tell , can’t see it myself

Ah right aye, that was in response to a question posed asking if they could seeing him going to Celtic

[bingo70]

Porto leaves Scotland, he leaves with my very best wishes.

If he heads for the Huns, he leaves with absolutely none.

Simple

Food for thought for him for sure

[Squealing pig]

Ah right aye, that was in response to a question posed asking if they could seeing him going to Celtic

Ah my mistake I just caught it when driving back from work , makes more sense now

[OldEast]

Will Fish expected to stay according to Pat McPartlin

Good. Get him starting games.

[JimBHibees]

Can't believe the amount of people getting upset over a rumour. This is what the OF always do with their friends in the media to unsettle players, their clubs and supporters. Why not wait until we see what happens before condemning our player. Personally I'm fine with Porto exercising his right to leave and I believe/hope he will be best served by moving away from Scotland. Part of me does think it would be funny though to see the rabid hordes having to applaud a player they currently loathe.

Very sensible post agree with every word.

[GreenCastle]

Dec 15th - Huns v Hibs.

Week today we play at Ibrox so expect next 7 days of Porto to bigot fc.

If he goes it wouldn’t surprise me. Think it would be a bad career move but that’s his choice.

I’m more concerned what’s happening with Hibs and how we are building a team / our signings.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Dec 15th - Huns v Hibs.

Week today we play at Ibrox so expect next 7 days of Porto to bigot fc.

If he goes it wouldn’t surprise me. Think it would be a bad career move but that’s his choice.

I’m more concerned what’s happening with Hibs and how we are building a team / our signings.

Your last sentence is about where I am.

Couldn’t care less about Porteous or where he goes, he’s leaving and I don’t think he’s that good anyway.

Much more concerned about where we are as a club and where we go from here than I am as to whether Porteous will go warm the bench at Ibrox.

[Since452]

Couldn't care less where Porteous goes as long as he goes next month and we get something for him.

[500miles]

The Huns would probably be a good fit for Porto. They think Lundstram is good because he stares - Porto is actually hard and actually good.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Sure it was Monday night , said he heard whispers that he was going across the city , time will tell , can’t see it myself

Former Hibernian manager Jim Duffy, currently with Clyde, told Radio Clyde's Superscoreboard that he has heard on the grapevine that Ryan Porteous, the 24-year-old Scotland centre-half who is out of contract at Easter Road this summer, could be heading to Rangers. (Scottish Daily Express)

[Highwayman]

Can't believe the amount of people getting upset over a rumour. This is what the OF always do with their friends in the media to unsettle players, their clubs and supporters. Why not wait until we see what happens before condemning our player. Personally I'm fine with Porto exercising his right to leave and I believe/hope he will be best served by moving away from Scotland. Part of me does think it would be funny though to see the rabid hordes having to applaud a player they currently loathe.

Agreed.It’s in the current buns DNA to try and exploit other clubs misfortunes in their favour.At the moment it’s still a rumour but nothing surprises me in football.
As part of the rumour I saw that the proposed transfer fee was circa £500,000.
This raises the question,does Hibs have to move Porteous out pronto in January to get the necessary gelt to bring new players in.
No idea how Hibs current transfer budget stands.But bringing Boyle back in wouldn’t be cheap.And other incomers like Marshall and McGeady certainly won’t be on zero contract wages.
Time no doubt will tell.

[Chip shop Joe]

If we get 500k for him I am not fussed where he goes!

[theonlywayisup]

Exciting times :faf:


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Rumoured out:
Steven Bradley (Livingston)
Will Fish (Man Utd)
Ryan Porteous (Luton, Millwall, Rangers, Sheff Wed, Stoke)

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[silverhibee]

Couldn't care less where Porteous goes as long as he goes next month and we get something for him.

He will be here until end of his contract.

[Since452]

He will be here until end of his contract.

That would be disappointing

[Gmack7]

That would be disappointing

Are we not due a development fee?

[CallumLaidlaw]

Are we not due a development fee?

Apparently not as he’s 24 before the end of the season


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[SickBoy32]

He will be here until end of his contract.

Good news

Cannot get my head round fans hoping that we're going to 'cash in' on one of our best players whilst we're on our current run of form! Madness, especially when you see how we've spending cash the last couple years

[Paulie Walnuts]

Good news

Cannot get my head round fans hoping that we're going to 'cash in' on one of our best players whilst we're on our current run of form! Madness, especially when you see how we've spending cash the last couple years

Overall his performances have been nowhere near those of one of our best players for around the past 18 months imo. Last season and this season he’s been every bit as much to blame as others for the predicament we’re in.

If we could get some money for him I’d drive him along to Ibrox myself.

[HoboHarry]

I'd be not the least bit worried if Porteous signed for Sevco. Decent player who will do well there, but not good enough to improve Sevco to the point of competing with Celtic or improving on this seasons European debacle. It simply reinforces the belief that they are skint and that's the best they can afford. All IMHO.

[SickBoy32]

Overall his performances have been nowhere near those of one of our best players for around the past 18 months imo. Last season and this season he’s been every bit as much to blame as others for the predicament we’re in.

If we could get some money for him I’d drive him along to Ibrox myself.

Clearly our best centre half and his departure will weaken us

[Paulie Walnuts]

Clearly our best centre half and his departure will weaken us

Not for me.

[HoboHarry]

Clearly our best centre half and his departure will weaken us
Perhaps but we know he is leaving and we can't stop that. Any transfer money coming in helps us get a replacement.

[ZitellZeTime]

Just wondering if the club have mentioned if we're after anyone etc. I mean if Ryan goes thenwe will need to use that money to replace him obviously, I already thought we needed a defemder tbf. I quite like Rocky and with Someone 100% focused on the task and actually a good player (assuming we've been scouting replacements) then I think Rocky would look even better.

Just I'd imagine bringin.g Boyle back. along with the other non loan signings probably would have blew most of the budget for LJ, he's out injured too which doesn't help. I know we have a lot of forward options but not so many fast direct strikers who can cut in or play cf etc like him. He's a bit like that Mbappe bou plance have been playing off the left side cutting into the king Giroud, if he could cut it on the right side then he'd be a good option for not only while he's injured but as a long term replacement for when Boyle starts needing to be an impact sub in a few years.

If we get some money for Porto, then that Kounde boy that France plays on the right is also an excellent CB, maybe try swap Miller with That Dumfries boy, bring him home from Italy. Not sure they'd be upto be the pace here but be worth a punt.

Serious though its just something I've been wondering, I don't think we will have much to play with until the summer to strengthen the squad. I'd imagine Ryan was one of our higher paid players even when he signed his last contract as there was lots of interest etc so maybe if he goes for a small lump of cash with only 6 months left LJ can try work with the board into bringing in replacement then squeeze a little extra for someone else.

Hopefully the breaks done us good, Nisbet should be at a good stage fitness level, I heard Mcgeady is back too. He's not the fastest but it was evident he still had that football brain that thinks steps ahead like a snooker player. Our Pirlo ! I was and imagine everyone was a massive fan of Magennis on the pitch, just been so long I hope it hasn't affected his game as he, on his day is one of the finest midfielders in this league.

Hopefully Mckirdy, Jair, Youan etc all seem a bit more familiar with the rest of the team too. Youan looked class, sometimes he just looked a bit confused on the pitch when others didn't. Not exactly sure what it was. Cadden will be his usual self without a doubt and Cabraja back to his best i think.

Demetri Mitchell will prob come off the bench then disappear with some mystery illness or some **** a week later and not even be seen on the bench for a month, shame cos I quite like that boy, decent wee player on his day and definitely a good squad player option for us anywhere on the left really despite mostly being a lwb.

When I think of they all seem good but I'm still waiting ont he Melkerson the next best thing for us, my pal lives in Denmark for time being, likes the football. Also joined Danish people in there moaning about Norway for whatever reasons they do. I told her we'd signed an up and coming star her people will have wished was born in Denmark. She just laughed but I bet her £50 we're gonna sell him for a few million in couple years. That time is fast running out lol although still have hope for the laddie, still young although I prefer him through the middle which will be harder with the big Ukranian and Nisbet there.

I've been ill and had lots of ***** going on in life, then the world cup has helped but I saw it mentioned we were playing Raith Rovers. what was the score? Any of the injury crew back and how did they play?

Also have there been any other matches before this or any other ones coming up before season starts, Magennis was just back, Nisbet and im reading Mcgeady too. Fitness is one thing but match sharpness is another and a lot of players looked like they needed that. Mckirdy played like the player we thought we were getting in any of them?

Sorry for the long message I just haven't logged on here since near enough the end of October apart from when I saw a headline about Porto refusing new contract which I assume was to alert other clubs in the hope we get a wee bit cash rather than lose him on precontract the way it was written and put to the media everywhere.

Could have done a few bounce games already for alll I know. I did scroll rather than be lazy and just ask but couldn't see much?

Any help on any transfer rumours or how players have looked in bounce games or even a link to them would be much appreciated. Cheers.

[Unseen work]

Steven Bradley scoring again for Livingston today

[sleeping giant]

Clearly our best centre half and his departure will weaken us

Yes he is. His mind is elsewhere though.
I would move him on asap

[Alfred E Newman]

Perhaps but we know he is leaving and we can't stop that. Any transfer money coming in helps us get a replacement.

Unfortunately any transfer fee will be fairly modest and if it is spent on a replacement it will only enable us to bring in a lower quality player than Porteous and I don’t see that as progress.

[Stuart93]

Steven Bradley scoring again for Livingston today

We all know what’s going to happen

[Jones28]

Steven Bradley scoring again for Livingston today

I’m really struggling with the decision to let him go.

[JohnM1875]

Steven Bradley scoring again for Livingston today

Two goals in two games. So already more than the majority of our team. He looked good the handful of times I seen him play as well.

[bingo70]

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1600982234030395404?s=46&t=GSXGGXTBqTftHA_2qFy7zQ

6 English clubs interested in Porto. No interest from The Huns.

[eastmainsmsh]

Wonder if Mowbray interested in Porto that would be a good move with Venus there as well

[Haymaker]

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1600982234030395404?s=46&t=GSXGGXTBqTftHA_2qFy7zQ

6 English clubs interested in Porto. No interest from The Huns.

"Scotland Star" now...

[Hibee Mac]

Steven Bradley scoring again for Livingston todayI totally missed that he'd gone to Livi, madness from the club not to give him a chance in our first team. He stood out every time I've seen him but we decide to punt him without even giving him a shot.

Feels like the same bracket as Dan Mackay, Dylan Tait etc. Struggling to see the logic behind the clubs decisions on players lately!

[JimBHibees]

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1600982234030395404?s=46&t=GSXGGXTBqTftHA_2qFy7zQ

6 English clubs interested in Porto. No interest from The Huns.

Good to hear. Hopefully his Scottish debut will have generated interest. Unfortunately he will leave a big hole to fill imo

[Tyler Durden]

Two goals in two games. So already more than the majority of our team. He looked good the handful of times I seen him play as well.

In friendlies….

Livingston are talking about signing him to loan him out, so I don’t think we’re missing much here

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1600982234030395404?s=46&t=GSXGGXTBqTftHA_2qFy7zQ

6 English clubs interested in Porto. No interest from The Huns.

Good. A wee bidding frenzy and half a million in January and he absolutely goes with my best wishes.

[McGruber]

In friendlies….

Livingston are talking about signing him to loan him out, so I don’t think we’re missing much here

We could maybe make a move to get him on loan from Livi given our shortages out wide

[Unseen work]

Good. A wee bidding frenzy and half a million in January and he absolutely goes with my best wishes.

Unfortunately it will probably be a bidding frenzy with Porteous and not us.

Teams will be offering him lots and when he decides he’ll sign a pre contract and our hands will be tied.

[mcfly]

Unfortunately it will probably be a bidding frenzy with Porteous and not us.

Teams will be offering him lots and when he decides he’ll sign a pre contract and our hands will be tied.

Well if he does that and it’s up to him then he should not play for us again.

The state we are in we need players who are fully committed to the cause.

Going by our recent performances, lack of goals, creativity and our defensive errors - I really hope the board have a couple of quality signings or I fear the second half of the season is a relegation battle.

We’ve seen this before from hibs sides. Lack of fight and easily bullied.

Time to step up and win games.

[I'm Spartacus]

I totally missed that he'd gone to Livi, madness from the club not to give him a chance in our first team. He stood out every time I've seen him but we decide to punt him without even giving him a shot.

Feels like the same bracket as Dan Mackay, Dylan Tait etc. Struggling to see the logic behind the clubs decisions on players lately!

I missed that too.

Livi seem like a team that are being worked hard to fulfil their potential, as soon as anyone works our squad hard they down tools and run to the Board greetin'.

[Iain G]

I missed that too.

Livi seem like a team that are being worked hard to fulfil their potential, as soon as anyone works our squad hard they down tools and run to the Board greetin'.

Who has run to the board greetin'? Since Mikey Stewart and co I mean? :confused:

[flash]

Who has run to the board greetin'? Since Mikey Stewart and co I mean? :confused:

Nobody. Absolutely nobody.