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Is It On....
04-01-2023, 10:05 AM
Didn't know that - would make much more sense... tax reasons may make that attractive for them

Watford has similar cultural attractions to Dalkeith ;)

That's not very fair to Dalkeith 😂

MrRobot
04-01-2023, 10:05 AM
I’d like to see McKay recalled from ICT. Think he started well for us and will give us a direct and speedy option on the left. Seems to have done OK in his 2nd stint there. Not sure why he’s never really been given a fair chance :dunno:

Billy Whizz
04-01-2023, 10:17 AM
I’d like to see McKay recalled from ICT. Think he started well for us and will give us a direct and speedy option on the left. Seems to have done OK in his 2nd stint there. Not sure why he’s never really been given a fair chance :dunno:

We don’t know the terms of the loan though, maybe doesn’t have a break clause. Will be the same with Fish/Youan etc, not sure if we have clauses to send them back

Brooster
04-01-2023, 10:18 AM
Our current bunch of excellent 19s will all be away before long if none of them can get a a sniff before some of the garbage who are on such a horrendous run.

Mcbizz1998
04-01-2023, 10:18 AM
Has Doidge scored yet since he's been away?

No idea but I’d rather have him as an option than some of the pish we currently we have on offer.

GloryGlory
04-01-2023, 10:19 AM
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/ryan-porteous-attracts-bundesliga-interest-25891116

Alex Trager
04-01-2023, 10:21 AM
Has Doidge scored yet since he's been away?

10 games played. 0 goals. 0 assists.

Unseen work
04-01-2023, 10:25 AM
I’d like to see McKay recalled from ICT. Think he started well for us and will give us a direct and speedy option on the left. Seems to have done OK in his 2nd stint there. Not sure why he’s never really been given a fair chance :dunno:

I still maintain it was a poor decision not taking Tait and Mackay to Portugal in pre season with us.

What had Hauge and Delferierre done for example to get a place instead of them?

From an outsider looking in I thought Bradley, Tait and Mackay were three of the best youngsters at the club and the ones that have the ability and at an age where they could push for a spot on the bench and start games.

Them 3 look on the way out (Bradley already gone) without even a chance under Johnson.

Would love to know who has made the decision on them

blackpoolhibs
04-01-2023, 10:27 AM
10 games played. 0 goals. 0 assists.

That's a surprise, we were told he needed some game time to get fit and the goals would come.

Alex Trager
04-01-2023, 10:33 AM
That's a surprise, we were told he needed some game time to get fit and the goals would come.

Incidentally, none of Tait, Doidge or Mackay are setting the heather alight.

Perhaps Mackay with 3 assists in the league.

Scott Allan for balance has 1 assist and 1 red card since joining Arbroath.

chippy
04-01-2023, 10:56 AM
Our current bunch of excellent 19s will all be away before long if none of them can get a a sniff before some of the garbage who are on such a horrendous run.
If that’s the case these idiots are deliberately running us down

Steven79
04-01-2023, 11:10 AM
If that’s the case these idiots are deliberately running us downNo they are just clueless...

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flash
04-01-2023, 11:15 AM
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/ryan-porteous-attracts-bundesliga-interest-25891116

Look at the standard of clubs who want him.

We should be banking millions here not a few hundred grand.

A cock up of monumental proportions.

Vault Boy
04-01-2023, 11:20 AM
Look at the standard of clubs who want him.

We should be banking millions here notch few hundred grans.

A cock up of monumental proportions.

Yeah, it’s very poor. I’m sure the interest has been slightly bolstered by the very fact he’s got 6 months left in his deal, but you don’t have Bundesliga and Serie A teams after you for nothing.

Should have been a £3m+ transfer for us.

Brightside
04-01-2023, 11:21 AM
Look at the standard of clubs who want him.

We should be banking millions here notch few hundred grans.

A cock up of monumental proportions.

There has been one discussion with Udinese.

Paulie Walnuts
04-01-2023, 11:23 AM
Yeah, it’s very poor. I’m sure the interest has been slightly bolstered by the very fact he’s got 6 months left in his deal, but you don’t have Bundesliga and Serie A teams after you for nothing.

Should have been a £3m+ transfer for us.

I’m not so sure it should have. As far as we know, we’ve had one offer, from Milwall in his whole time here and it was around £1m.

He’s hardly set the heather on fire recently so I’m not sure the offers would suddenly be flooding in at amounts much, much higher than the solitary offer we’ve had.

flash
04-01-2023, 11:27 AM
I’m not so sure it should have. As far as we know, we’ve had one offer, from Milwall in his whole time here and it was around £1m.

He’s hardly set the heather on fire recently so I’m not sure the offers would suddenly be flooding in at amounts much, much higher than the solitary offer we’ve had.

The Italian clubs are actively looking and paying for guys like him.

Mainstandman
04-01-2023, 11:35 AM
I think Mackay is out for the season injured. I recon some of our promising under 18s/younger players will leave, if they cant get a chance now when will they. I believe quite a few of them have their contract ending this season

chippy
04-01-2023, 11:44 AM
I think Mackay is out for the season injured. I recon some of our promising under 18s/younger players will leave, if they cant get a chance now when will they. I believe quite a few of them have their contract ending this season

So is Ron and son throwing the baby out with the bath water . The B team project failed so let’s torch all the good things we have

Bayern Bru
04-01-2023, 11:54 AM
I think Mackay is out for the season injured. I recon some of our promising under 18s/younger players will leave, if they cant get a chance now when will they. I believe quite a few of them have their contract ending this season

He got two assists on Saturday and played 73 minutes. You're maybe thinking of Tait?

blackpoolhibs
04-01-2023, 12:00 PM
Of course decent clubs want him, he's a quality player, it's only the brain dead who thought he wasnt.

Smartie
04-01-2023, 12:08 PM
Porteous has had one foot out the door since he signed up with Andy Murray's mob.

I'm all for giving Hibs a kicking when they deserve it and there's no shortage of reasons to give them a proper kicking but I don't think there's any suggestion that Porteous would have signed any deal at any point during his time here.

There's no good reason why Hibs wouldn't have wanted to have Ryan tied down on a longer contract other than he's refused everything put to him, every step of the way.

jeffers
04-01-2023, 12:19 PM
Porteous has had one foot out the door since he signed up with Andy Murray's mob.

I'm all for giving Hibs a kicking when they deserve it and there's no shortage of reasons to give them a proper kicking but I don't think there's any suggestion that Porteous would have signed any deal at any point during his time here.

There's no good reason why Hibs wouldn't have wanted to have Ryan tied down on a longer contract other than he's refused everything put to him, every step of the way.

:agree:

Though with hindsight they could have maybe done something a few years ago to get him tied up on a longer contract, which he may have signed. This season though they’ve made him as good an offer as we can, matched what he said he wanted, yet he’s turned it down.

bingo70
04-01-2023, 12:24 PM
:agree:

Though with hindsight they could have maybe done something a few years ago to get him tied up on a longer contract, which he may have signed. This season though they’ve made him as good an offer as we can, matched what he said he wanted, yet he’s turned it down.

If we were going to the effort of extending Campbell, JDH’s contracts amongst others, I find it hard to believe we just forgot to extend Porto’s.

In any negotiation there has to be two willing parties, if him or his agent said they weren’t interested at that time then we probably wouldn’t have gone any further.

IAmLee
04-01-2023, 12:28 PM
Incidentally, none of Tait, Doidge or Mackay are setting the heather alight.

Perhaps Mackay with 3 assists in the league.

Scott Allan for balance has 1 assist and 1 red card since joining Arbroath.

Danny has 1 goal & 7 assists in all comps this season with his goal and an assist coming against Livi in the league cup. He also missed a few games with a knee injury. He’s a talent & imo should 100% be around the squad over the likes of Tavares!! Was really strange he was left out of the Portugal trip but Hauge got to go! No doubt he’ll be another Bradley, goes out and does reasonably well on loan but is punted so the manager can bring in another unproven young player who will take an age to adapt to Scottish football.

Smartie
04-01-2023, 12:31 PM
:agree:

Though with hindsight they could have maybe done something a few years ago to get him tied up on a longer contract, which he may have signed. This season though they’ve made him as good an offer as we can, matched what he said he wanted, yet he’s turned it down.

It's also worth bearing in mind that during that time we had people dealing with the contracts and transfers who we all trusted more than the current lot. It's a bit easy for the current lot to pin the blame on what went on back then.

You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

jeffers
04-01-2023, 12:32 PM
If we were going to the effort of extending Campbell, JDH’s contracts amongst others, I find it hard to believe we just forgot to extend Porto’s.

In any negotiation there has to be two willing parties, if him or his agent said they weren’t interested at that time then we probably wouldn’t have gone any further.

Entirely possible. All I know is he’s played us this season, given the impression he’s willing to sign an improved deal but never had any intention of doing so. It’s a bit disappointing if I’m honest but I get why he’s done it.

Unseen work
04-01-2023, 01:58 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/lee-johnson-hibs-cull-list-28870876

Record have put together a random list of who they think will stay and go.

SteveHFC
04-01-2023, 02:02 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/lee-johnson-hibs-cull-list-28870876

Record have put together a random list of who they think will stay and go.

Joe Newell

Newell is a player that Hibs will look to rely on to create chances in the second half of the season. If strikers are making the right runs, he will find them.

Verdict: Keep

Ewan Henderson

Henderson was challenged by Johnson to find that killer instinct more often in front of goal and has so far failed to do so. At 22 he still has time on his hands but will need to improve to get to the next level.

Verdict: Keep

Did laugh at those opinions.

jeffers
04-01-2023, 02:17 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/lee-johnson-hibs-cull-list-28870876

Record have put together a random list of who they think will stay and go.

For all the “insight” that article showed one of us would have just as well have written it instead.

Donegal Hibby
04-01-2023, 02:35 PM
Wonder will Forrest Green step up there interest in JDH now?.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/forest-green-rovers-make-decision-on-midfielder-amid-links-with-hibs-jake-doyle-hayes-3974004

Iain G
04-01-2023, 02:43 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/lee-johnson-hibs-cull-list-28870876

Record have put together a random list of who they think will stay and go.

Shows how out of touch they are beyond the gruesome twosome!

Hibee Mac
04-01-2023, 03:11 PM
I still maintain it was a poor decision not taking Tait and Mackay to Portugal in pre season with us.

What had Hauge and Delferierre done for example to get a place instead of them?

From an outsider looking in I thought Bradley, Tait and Mackay were three of the best youngsters at the club and the ones that have the ability and at an age where they could push for a spot on the bench and start games.

Them 3 look on the way out (Bradley already gone) without even a chance under Johnson.

Would love to know who has made the decision on themTotally agree. At the time I was more willing to believe there was a good reason behind it, although it still bugged me.

But now with everything that has gone on, Bradley being allowed to leave and the recruitment shambles being shown up for what it really is, I just don't have any faith that those running our club have any idea what they're doing from a footballing sense.

It's bad when fans have a better idea than the club about who is a player vs a huddy. The football dept is absolutely headless at the minute.

McGruber
04-01-2023, 04:18 PM
:agree:

A truly dreadful signing. Nobody will give us a penny for him.

Don't see why not, all players we make available in the Jan cull go with a mediocre deadwood low football IQ billing.. roll up..

Percy Vere
04-01-2023, 04:43 PM
It wouldn't be hibs.net without people making character assumptions.

Or assassinations

Winston Ingram
04-01-2023, 05:17 PM
If we can recoup a fee. Who in their right mind is going to pay us money for him?

He’s not been that bad, he’s just rarely been fit. He’ll get a club in League 1 no bother I reckon. Our only way of getting a fee is loaning him and hoping he does well. He’s proven he can play at that level

CentreLine
04-01-2023, 05:21 PM
Didn't know that - would make much more sense... tax reasons may make that attractive for them

Watford has similar cultural attractions to Dalkeith ;)

Oi, I hope that was meant as a compliment 🤬

Brooster
04-01-2023, 05:25 PM
He’s not been that bad, he’s just rarely been fit. He’ll get a club in League 1 no bother I reckon. Our only way of getting a fee is loaning him and hoping he does well. He’s proven he can play at that level

He's been horrendous, no other way of putting it.

B.H.F.C
04-01-2023, 05:27 PM
He’s not been that bad, he’s just rarely been fit. He’ll get a club in League 1 no bother I reckon. Our only way of getting a fee is loaning him and hoping he does well. He’s proven he can play at that level

He’s hardly kicked a ball for the best part of a year. I think he’ll be difficult to shift.

ancient hibee
04-01-2023, 05:32 PM
Entirely possible. All I know is he’s played us this season, given the impression he’s willing to sign an improved deal but never had any intention of doing so. It’s a bit disappointing if I’m honest but I get why he’s done it.

When has he ever given the slightest sign of accepting a new deal? Or is this just one of the endless digs at his supposed character?

chippy
04-01-2023, 05:43 PM
Of course decent clubs want him, he's a quality player, it's only the brain dead who thought he wasnt.
Correct

Smartie
04-01-2023, 05:47 PM
I'm a bit gutted it hasn't worked out for Mitchell, as he looked the part to me in the brief moments he's been fit and he had the potential to be a great player for us.

He came with a poor injury record though (presumably why Blackpool would be happy to see him go) and his injury problems continued.

If I were still a betting man I'd be betting on his injury problems continuing and him being a constant drain on resource for whoever is paying him a wage at a given time, but he's definitely one where you can say "there's a player in there".

Up-the-slope
04-01-2023, 06:19 PM
Oi, I hope that was meant as a compliment 🤬:tee hee:

Winston Ingram
04-01-2023, 06:39 PM
He’s hardly kicked a ball for the best part of a year. I think he’ll be difficult to shift.

He’s played something like 8 games got a couple of goals then missed the rest through injury.

His lack of success will be put down to the injuries and he’ll pick up a club no bother.

500miles
04-01-2023, 06:56 PM
Is Mitchell from Manchester? On the few occasions he has been fit, he's been good and scored goals. I think he'll either go to Salford or find a national league team willing to make him top ear er so he can stay home and work on his clothing business.

Decent player, wrong place and time.

B.H.F.C
04-01-2023, 06:58 PM
He’s played something like 8 games got a couple of goals then missed the rest through injury.

His lack of success will be put down to the injuries and he’ll pick up a club no bother.

It’s down to the injury and lack of football that I think he’ll be hard to shift. Added to the fact he’s probably on a better contract than he’ll get elsewhere, because of those issues.

Billy Whizz
04-01-2023, 07:05 PM
It’s down to the injury and lack of football that I think he’ll be hard to shift. Added to the fact he’s probably on a better contract than he’ll get elsewhere, because of those issues.

I think he’s keen to get back down to the Manchester area, so hopefully someone will take him off our hands, either permanently or on loan

Tyler Durden
04-01-2023, 07:19 PM
It’s been said already this week but Mitchell was really an easy one to avoid. I find it hard to believe that Maloney or anyone else looked him in the eye and saw a guy hungry to be a success at Hibs.

Looks like he’s back down south at every possible opportunity. I think he’s probably comfortable from his previous contracts and football is just something to keep him ticking over now. Doesn’t seem remotely interested

Crab apple
04-01-2023, 07:28 PM
There has been one discussion with Udinese.

Yep and I think that’s where he’ll end up.

Crab apple
04-01-2023, 07:40 PM
I know its not Hibs / my problem.... but just cant see Ryan being one of those who can learn another language / get into another culture.... He's not even made it out of Dalkeith Culture yet.... although you can always be surprised... maybe the historical streets of Udine and day trips to Venice might just float his boat :wink:

I think if Lewis Ferguson can pick up the lingo anyone can.

jeffers
04-01-2023, 07:43 PM
When has he ever given the slightest sign of accepting a new deal? Or is this just one of the endless digs at his supposed character?

Read post 1773 again.

Since452
04-01-2023, 08:24 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/lee-johnson-hibs-cull-list-28870876

Record have put together a random list of who they think will stay and go.

Kenneh go and Henderson keep says it all about the Daily Record.

BSEJVT
04-01-2023, 08:34 PM
Kenneh go and Henderson keep says it all about the Daily Record.

Henderson is utter pish and would be physically outmatched at under 11’s

flash
04-01-2023, 08:38 PM
Henderson is utter pish and would be physically outmatched at under 11’s

You could just say you don't rate him.

HoboHarry
04-01-2023, 08:40 PM
Henderson is utter pish and would be physically outmatched at under 11’s
No he wouldn't. Why would you bother to post something that daft?

BSEJVT
04-01-2023, 08:50 PM
No he wouldn't. Why would you bother to post something that daft?

Drink taken

Apologies

He just frustrates me

Hibees1973
04-01-2023, 09:18 PM
Can you picture the scene down at East Mains in this transfer window.

We have over 15 players knocking around there that have been signed in the last year, but who have played less than 5 first team games since they were signed. Johnson has commented he wants rid of the dead wood. This could be anywhere up to 20 individuals.

This window is really about getting players out which is going to cost the club big time. What a waste of time and money it's been with Ron's son at the helm.

I don't care if we bring players in. Would much rather have a lean amount of 25 players turning up at East Mains each day for training. I would hope that Ron's son now has an eye on leaving a situation where the next regime comes in and they have less of a mess to tidy up. In a strange sort of way this would be
Ron's sons legacy.

Know some people would say that this makes relegation more of a possibility, but it has been proven over the last couple of years that Ron's son is not qualified for the role that his dad put him in and cannot be trusted in any way at all.

S4uzee
04-01-2023, 09:20 PM
Can you picture the scene down at East Mains in this transfer window.

We have over 15 players knocking around there that have been signed in the last year, but who have played less than 5 first team games since they were signed. Johnson has commented he wants rid of the dead wood. This could be anywhere up to 20 individuals.

This window is really about getting players out which is going to cost the club big time. What a waste of time and money it's been with Ron's son at the helm.

I don't care if we bring players in. Would much rather have a lean amount of 25 players turning up at East Mains each day for training. I would hope that Ron's son now has an eye on leaving a situation where the next regime comes in and they have less of a mess to tidy up. In a strange sort of way this would be
Ron's sons legacy.

Know some people would say that this makes relegation more of a possibility, but it has been proven over the last couple of years that Ron's son is not qualified for the role that his dad put him in and cannot be trusted in any way at all.

We really are a shambles. Look like the Watford of Scottish football

Ozyhibby
04-01-2023, 09:30 PM
Joe Newell

Newell is a player that Hibs will look to rely on to create chances in the second half of the season. If strikers are making the right runs, he will find them.

Verdict: Keep

Ewan Henderson

Henderson was challenged by Johnson to find that killer instinct more often in front of goal and has so far failed to do so. At 22 he still has time on his hands but will need to improve to get to the next level.

Verdict: Keep

Did laugh at those opinions.

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ThisIsTheYear
04-01-2023, 09:35 PM
Hearts and Aberdeen superiority because of finance but on same token shouldn't be worried about not being top six consistently. Big difference in finance Hibs to Livi, Motherwell, Dun U etc
We have a considerably bigger budget than 7 others in the league.
If the measure is finance then this and last season isn't good enough and managers carry the can

There won’t be a huge difference with our huge squad, I wouldn’t be surprised if our wage budget is on par with Hearts and Aberdeen. But it’s not been spent wisely, need quality over quantity just now

jeffers
04-01-2023, 09:38 PM
Can you picture the scene down at East Mains in this transfer window.

We have over 15 players knocking around there that have been signed in the last year, but who have played less than 5 first team games since they were signed. Johnson has commented he wants rid of the dead wood. This could be anywhere up to 20 individuals.

This window is really about getting players out which is going to cost the club big time. What a waste of time and money it's been with Ron's son at the helm.

I don't care if we bring players in. Would much rather have a lean amount of 25 players turning up at East Mains each day for training. I would hope that Ron's son now has an eye on leaving a situation where the next regime comes in and they have less of a mess to tidy up. In a strange sort of way this would be
Ron's sons legacy.

Know some people would say that this makes relegation more of a possibility, but it has been proven over the last couple of years that Ron's son is not qualified for the role that his dad put him in and cannot be trusted in any way at all.

I must be missing something. If you believe Johnson a big part of the problem is the size of the squad. Get rid of a decent number, sign one or two and all will be OK if he’s to be believed. Presumably the ones he wants rid of aren’t being selected anyway, maybe they don’t even train with the first picks or are used as opposition in training matches. So why will getting rid of them make any difference if it just leaves the squad with the same players he was already starting ?

21sMay
04-01-2023, 10:46 PM
Some solid names required to come into this side if we are to improve . I'd love to see someone like graham shinnie come in and teach the players a winning mentality. Watched him plenty times and be reminds me of Scott brown but obviously on a slightly lesser level

Forza Fred
04-01-2023, 11:10 PM
Can you picture the scene down at East Mains in this transfer window.

We have over 15 players knocking around there that have been signed in the last year, but who have played less than 5 first team games since they were signed. Johnson has commented he wants rid of the dead wood. This could be anywhere up to 20 individuals.

This window is really about getting players out which is going to cost the club big time. What a waste of time and money it's been with Ron's son at the helm.

I don't care if we bring players in. Would much rather have a lean amount of 25 players turning up at East Mains each day for training. I would hope that Ron's son now has an eye on leaving a situation where the next regime comes in and they have less of a mess to tidy up. In a strange sort of way this would be
Ron's sons legacy.

Know some people would say that this makes relegation more of a possibility, but it has been proven over the last couple of years that Ron's son is not qualified for the role that his dad put him in and cannot be trusted in any way at all.

So,.you want players OUT, but ‘don’t care’ about bringing players in

So, selection wise our pool of players DECREASES yet is not IMPROVED in any way

Doesn’t seem any kind of solution to me and borders on yam logic

jeffers
04-01-2023, 11:14 PM
So,.you want players OUT, but ‘don’t care’ about bringing players in

So, selection wise our pool of players DECREASES yet is not IMPROVED in any way

Doesn’t seem any kind of solution to me and borders on yam logic

Tbf that’s not so different from what Johnson has been saying and what I was referring to a few posts above, although he’s not suggested we bring no one in.

EGL2000
04-01-2023, 11:42 PM
Hearts after Kuol on loan from Newcastle, boy has a great amount of potential.

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 12:04 AM
Hearts linked with a couple, Aberdeen linked with a couple.

We’re sitting about with our fingers up our *****.

Donegal Hibby
05-01-2023, 12:30 AM
Hearts linked with a couple, Aberdeen linked with a couple.

We’re sitting about with our fingers up our *****.
You have called me deluded in the past because my opinion isn't what you wanted to hear , I didn't want to hear our club are sitting about with there fingers up there ***** , very disappointing news we aren't trying to shift players out and get a few in to be honest , I'm not going to call you deluded mate as you are obviously one of the ITK guys with this bad breaking news . If you hear anymore please do share mate 👍

MWHIBBIES
05-01-2023, 01:00 AM
Hearts linked with a couple, Aberdeen linked with a couple.

We’re sitting about with our fingers up our *****.

Are we? Our problem really isn't signing players. It's signing good ones.

Forza Fred
05-01-2023, 01:38 AM
Hearts after Kuol on loan from Newcastle, boy has a great amount of potential.

Former team mate of Lewis Miller

PHeffernan
05-01-2023, 02:02 AM
Hearts after Kuol on loan from Newcastle, boy has a great amount of potential.

We have lots of these guys. Not what we need.

Forza Fred
05-01-2023, 04:12 AM
We have lots of these guys. Not what we need.

I would say with the current cloud hanging over the club our chances of getting Kuol would be close to zero.

Stokesy's on fire
05-01-2023, 04:59 AM
Van Veen should be a target of ours.

Bridge hibs
05-01-2023, 05:42 AM
Van Veen should be a target of ours.Agree, always liked him, started to find the net more regularly now, certainly doesnt pussyfoot around up front either, big, strong and a bit radge too

JammyDoidger
05-01-2023, 05:53 AM
Heard Aden Flint's name mentioned in the summer, out of favour at Stoke, Sheffield Wednesday rumoured to be interested if they lose their centre half, big imposing figure, threat at set pieces, Johnson worked with him before, 33 plenty experience exactly what we need, should be trying for that.

GreenCastle
05-01-2023, 06:51 AM
We have already missed an opportunity for new players to play against Hearts at the weekend.

Looks like we will miss an opportunity to have new players play against Motherwell this weekend.

You do wonder what’s going on and if players are just sitting on contracts not wanting to leave.

This month is arguably the most important for many reasons.

x2 derbies including cup game (obviously lost 1 already with a rarely played 19 year old having to start).

x2 games again teams that could easily put us near bottom of table.

Hibernian Verse
05-01-2023, 07:08 AM
We have already missed an opportunity for new players to play against Hearts at the weekend.

Looks like we will miss an opportunity to have new players play against Motherwell this weekend.

You do wonder what’s going on and if players are just sitting on contracts not wanting to leave.

This month is arguably the most important for many reasons.

x2 derbies including cup game (obviously lost 1 already with a rarely played 19 year old having to start).

x2 games again teams that could easily put us near bottom of table.

I'd rather we signed the correct players for the rest of the season rather than sign easy targets to play the first two matches in Jan.

Players coming in during the Winter window are rarely match fit to play anyway, as they are out of favour at their current club.

Not In The Know
05-01-2023, 07:20 AM
I must be missing something. If you believe Johnson a big part of the problem is the size of the squad. Get rid of a decent number, sign one or two and all will be OK if he’s to be believed. Presumably the ones he wants rid of aren’t being selected anyway, maybe they don’t even train with the first picks or are used as opposition in training matches. So why will getting rid of them make any difference if it just leaves the squad with the same players he was already starting ?

The excess players not getting game time are probably moping about the place. Bring a negative vibe dissing the manager and his methods behind his back and dropping hints to palls to spread rumours on message boards

jeffers
05-01-2023, 07:27 AM
The excess players not getting game time are probably moping about the place. Bring a negative vibe dissing the manager and his methods behind his back and dropping hints to palls to spread rumours on message boards

Aye that must be it. Thanks for explaining.

Paulie Walnuts
05-01-2023, 07:28 AM
Hearts after Kuol on loan from Newcastle, boy has a great amount of potential.

Can’t say I’m that bothered about that.

Loads of potential but I’m not sure he’ll be good enough to start for them yet.

H18 SFR
05-01-2023, 07:46 AM
Hearts linked with a couple, Aberdeen linked with a couple.

We’re sitting about with our fingers up our *****.

Genuine gutted to hear we are not pursuing any transfers in.

Why are we not trying to make any signings?

Brightside
05-01-2023, 08:01 AM
Hearts linked with a couple, Aberdeen linked with a couple.

We’re sitting about with our fingers up our *****.

Calm down. Everything we are doing will depend on other moves. You’ve surely figured that out without a newspaper making up a story for you.

chippy
05-01-2023, 08:11 AM
Genuine gutted to hear we are not pursuing any transfers in.

Why are we not trying to make any signings?

Ron and Ian throwing toys out of the pram perhaps

MrSmith
05-01-2023, 08:16 AM
Ron and Ian throwing toys out of the pram perhaps

They'd better pull their sock up then because the last thing they'll need, is for us to throw our toys out of the pram!

chippy
05-01-2023, 08:25 AM
They'd better pull their sock up then because the last thing they'll need, is for us to throw our toys out of the pram!

True. Maybe they’re in the anger phase of the bereavement process after Plan A ( Hecky), Plan B (Ross), Plan C (Maloney), Plan D ( LJ) have been spectacular failures. Once they pass through anger maybe we’ll get a better idea of where they are taking us or are they dumping us.

B.H.F.C
05-01-2023, 08:26 AM
We have already missed an opportunity for new players to play against Hearts at the weekend.

Looks like we will miss an opportunity to have new players play against Motherwell this weekend.

You do wonder what’s going on and if players are just sitting on contracts not wanting to leave.

This month is arguably the most important for many reasons.

x2 derbies including cup game (obviously lost 1 already with a rarely played 19 year old having to start).

x2 games again teams that could easily put us near bottom of table.

Anyone expecting multiple arrivals in this window to dig us out of trouble is going to be disappointed IMO. I don’t see a lot happening at all

500miles
05-01-2023, 08:26 AM
True. Maybe they’re in the anger phase of the bereavement process after Plan A ( Hecky), Plan B (Ross), Plan C (Maloney), Plan D ( LJ) have been spectacular failures. Once they pass through anger maybe we’ll get a better idea of where they are taking us or are they dumping us.

Ross was not a failure. Sacking him was.

B.H.F.C
05-01-2023, 08:27 AM
Genuine gutted to hear we are not pursuing any transfers in.

Why are we not trying to make any signings?

Purely a guess on my part, but I think we’ve blown the budget last summer.

Brightside
05-01-2023, 08:31 AM
Purely a guess on my part, but I think we’ve blown the budget last summer.

100%. We have no money. Players have to move on. And it will be loans unless we get some cash for Porto.

MrSmith
05-01-2023, 08:32 AM
Purely a guess on my part, but I think we’ve blown the budget last summer.

I agree and unless we move on at least 75% of those who arrived last summer, we may be in the same position again this coming summer but possibly in the Championship.

theonlywayisup
05-01-2023, 08:32 AM
Van Veen should be a target of ours.

Don't agree - it's central midfielders and decent full backs we need, more than any other positions. Get that sorted and scoring goals won't be a problem.

theonlywayisup
05-01-2023, 08:35 AM
Can you picture the scene down at East Mains in this transfer window.

We have over 15 players knocking around there that have been signed in the last year, but who have played less than 5 first team games since they were signed. Johnson has commented he wants rid of the dead wood. This could be anywhere up to 20 individuals.

This window is really about getting players out which is going to cost the club big time. What a waste of time and money it's been with Ron's son at the helm.

I don't care if we bring players in. Would much rather have a lean amount of 25 players turning up at East Mains each day for training. I would hope that Ron's son now has an eye on leaving a situation where the next regime comes in and they have less of a mess to tidy up. In a strange sort of way this would be
Ron's sons legacy.

Know some people would say that this makes relegation more of a possibility, but it has been proven over the last couple of years that Ron's son is not qualified for the role that his dad put him in and cannot be trusted in any way at all.

I sort of agree with you. We needed to get rid of the players who are obviously not good enough, then build from a solid platform.

What a shambles we've become under Ron Gordon's watch!

Smartie
05-01-2023, 08:38 AM
Genuine gutted to hear we are not pursuing any transfers in.

Why are we not trying to make any signings?

Presumably there’s something in the rumour that we’re already well over our budget and we need to ship a few out before bringing any in.

I’d expecting for us to be lining some up, in the event that we manage to manoeuvre a few out.

Might just mean that any activity happens towards the end of the window rather than the start which isn’t great when our team isn’t good enough and important games are coming thick and fast.

Billy Whizz
05-01-2023, 09:00 AM
100%. We have no money. Players have to move on. And it will be loans unless we get some cash for Porto.

If that’s the case, where’s the money for DOF etc coming from. This position won’t come cheap, and whoever they want to bring with them

CapitalGreen
05-01-2023, 09:01 AM
True. Maybe they’re in the anger phase of the bereavement process after Plan A ( Hecky), Plan B (Ross), Plan C (Maloney), Plan D ( LJ) have been spectacular failures. Once they pass through anger maybe we’ll get a better idea of where they are taking us or are they dumping us.

Plan A (Hecky) was appointed by LD and Mathie and he was their plan B after they made a mess of getting Appleton.

Scotty Leither
05-01-2023, 09:08 AM
Where’s the Doig money went to that we’re so skint all of a sudden?

Suspect harsh reality is biting the Gordons on the arse that to bring decent players in you’ll actually need to spend a bit of money.

Who’d have thought it, eh?

Since452
05-01-2023, 09:10 AM
True. Maybe they’re in the anger phase of the bereavement process after Plan A ( Hecky), Plan B (Ross), Plan C (Maloney), Plan D ( LJ) have been spectacular failures. Once they pass through anger maybe we’ll get a better idea of where they are taking us or are they dumping us.

Ross was anything but a spectacular failure. The failure was letting him down in the summer transfer window after he got us to Europe and a cup final. We should have built on that and not signed dross like Nathan Wood when we badly needed a defender capable of playing in the Premiership and Europe.

blackpoolhibs
05-01-2023, 09:13 AM
Genuine gutted to hear we are not pursuing any transfers in.

Why are we not trying to make any signings?

Is it because we have our fingers up our erse?

EGL2000
05-01-2023, 09:14 AM
We have lots of these guys. Not what we need.

Yes agree, type of player we should be avoiding in our current situation. However, this is a good signing for them if they manage to pull it off.

blackpoolhibs
05-01-2023, 09:16 AM
Ross was anything but a spectacular failure. The failure was letting him down in the summer transfer window after he got us to Europe and a cup final. We should have built on that and not signed dross like Nathan Wood when we badly needed a defender.

Exactly.

Brooster
05-01-2023, 09:16 AM
If that’s the case, where’s the money for DOF etc coming from. This position won’t come cheap, and whoever they want to bring with them

I think the DoF is already at the club in another role.

Brooster
05-01-2023, 09:18 AM
Where’s the Doig money went to that we’re so skint all of a sudden?

Suspect harsh reality is biting the Gordons on the arse that to bring decent players in you’ll actually need to spend a bit of money.

Who’d have thought it, eh?

The Doig money is well gone mate. Wasted on the garbage we've brought in.

Zambernardi1875
05-01-2023, 09:21 AM
Is it because we have our fingers up our erse?

What you do on the bus to work is none of our business

jeffers
05-01-2023, 09:21 AM
The Doig money is well gone mate. Wasted on the garbage we've brought in.

And bringing back Boyle.

Winston Ingram
05-01-2023, 09:23 AM
Where’s the Doig money went to that we’re so skint all of a sudden?

Suspect harsh reality is biting the Gordons on the arse that to bring decent players in you’ll actually need to spend a bit of money.

Who’d have thought it, eh?

We won't of received it all yet i'd imagine.

I'd imagine what we have received so far would have gone on the dross bought in the summer and bringing Boyle back

blackpoolhibs
05-01-2023, 09:23 AM
What you do on the bus to work is none of our business

Work?????

What is this work you speak of?:wink:

Billy Whizz
05-01-2023, 09:24 AM
I think the DoF is already at the club in another role.

I’m hoping it’s not Kean then, it’s his paws all over the development team signings, and the decision not to play in the Lowland League

Bostonhibby
05-01-2023, 09:26 AM
Is it because we have our fingers up our erse?Maybe we are having a focus group first, or there's other things ahead of the first team offering on the pitch?

More tellies? the launch of the Hibs giant foam hand?

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SickBoy32
05-01-2023, 09:40 AM
And bringing back Boyle.

Wasn't the Boyle transfer cash used to bring back Boyle?

Recall mixed stories at the time around this - possibly that we just told the Saudi mob to forego the instalments they were still due us for his initial transfer?

AlbertK86
05-01-2023, 09:41 AM
Can’t say I’m that bothered about that.

Loads of potential but I’m not sure he’ll be good enough to start for them yet.

He’s getting shown around Orium / Riccarton just now.

STV / Jamie Borthwick there with cameras .

He came on as sub twice at World Cup but so did Cumdog


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Hibernian Verse
05-01-2023, 09:43 AM
I’m hoping it’s not Kean then, it’s his paws all over the development team signings, and the decision not to play in the Lowland League

I'm struggling to keep up with whose fault all the signings are.

B.H.F.C
05-01-2023, 09:43 AM
Where’s the Doig money went to that we’re so skint all of a sudden?

Suspect harsh reality is biting the Gordons on the arse that to bring decent players in you’ll actually need to spend a bit of money.

Who’d have thought it, eh?

I think we’ve spent plenty money. We’ve just wasted it which is the problem rather than not spending it.

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 09:52 AM
You have called me deluded in the past because my opinion isn't what you wanted to hear , I didn't want to hear our club are sitting about with there fingers up there ***** , very disappointing news we aren't trying to shift players out and get a few in to be honest , I'm not going to call you deluded mate as you are obviously one of the ITK guys with this bad breaking news . If you hear anymore please do share mate 👍

Aye of course mate I’ll keep you updated don’t worry

Trinity Hibee
05-01-2023, 09:53 AM
Just looking at who is a free agent or coming to end of contract:

Graeme Dorrans
Barry Bannan
Greg Docherty

Jones28
05-01-2023, 09:54 AM
Just looking at who is a free agent or coming to end of contract:

Graeme Dorrans
Barry Bannan
Greg Docherty

Would take all three and ship out JDH, Newall and possibly one other if that’s what it took.

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 09:59 AM
Would take all three and ship out JDH, Newall and possibly one other if that’s what it took.

Dorrans? Has he not been a bit of a flop since he left rangers?

Trinity Hibee
05-01-2023, 10:04 AM
Just looking at who is a free agent or coming to end of contract:

Graeme Dorrans
Barry Bannan
Greg Docherty

Also Curtis Main, Andy Carroll, Tom cleverly, Kyle Bartley

Hibernian Verse
05-01-2023, 10:06 AM
Would take all three and ship out JDH, Newall and possibly one other if that’s what it took.

Are you wanting relegated?

04Sauzee
05-01-2023, 10:07 AM
Dorans definitely isn't the answer

Paulie Walnuts
05-01-2023, 10:15 AM
Greg Docherty should be a no brainer if he’s available but he plays every week for Hull in the Championship so I’d expect he won’t be one we can pull off.

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 10:19 AM
Surprised hearts are managing to pull that loan move off for Kuol. Huge potential.

The difference of having people in charge of recruitment who actually know what they’re doing

Iain G
05-01-2023, 10:25 AM
Can't believe people are thinking we aren't going to do some business this transfer window!? 🙄

J-C
05-01-2023, 10:26 AM
Wasn't the Boyle transfer cash used to bring back Boyle?

Recall mixed stories at the time around this - possibly that we just told the Saudi mob to forego the instalments they were still due us for his initial transfer?


We probably paid zero to get Boyle back, they were due us money, it will be a case of cancelling his contract with them and re signing for us but on a much higher wage as compensation.

Paulie Walnuts
05-01-2023, 10:39 AM
I’m struggling to see how we can have no money for signings this window.

We signed Boyle but that was done by writing off the rest of the money we were due.

We sold Doig for £3m and have spent nowhere near that in fees etc. Where has the rest of that went?

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 10:41 AM
I’m struggling to see how we can have no money for signings this window.

We signed Boyle but that was done by writing off the rest of the money we were due.

We sold Doig for £3m and have spent nowhere near that in fees etc. Where has the rest of that went?

It’s what we’re told so we don’t kick up **** when we make more ***** loan signings.

HibsGW
05-01-2023, 10:42 AM
I’m struggling to see how we can have no money for signings this window.

We signed Boyle but that was done by writing off the rest of the money we were due.

We sold Doig for £3m and have spent nowhere near that in fees etc. Where has the rest of that went?

Even if you say McKirdy and Tavares cost 300k each or something like that (I’d hope no more than that) then there’s still nearly 2 and a half million.

I think the rest were free agents.

I'm Spartacus
05-01-2023, 10:42 AM
I’m struggling to see how we can have no money for signings this window.

We signed Boyle but that was done by writing off the rest of the money we were due.

We sold Doig for £3m and have spent nowhere near that in fees etc. Where has the rest of that went?

Plus we must have had a budget over and above what we have brought in via Doig.

GreenGray
05-01-2023, 10:45 AM
Surprised hearts are managing to pull that loan move off for Kuol. Huge potential.

The difference of having people in charge of recruitment who actually know what they’re doing

Think he was wanted by Barca before Newcastle got him…


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Paulie Walnuts
05-01-2023, 10:49 AM
Plus we must have had a budget over and above what we have brought in via Doig.

:agree:

I know we’ve *****ed away a lot of cash, but if we’ve *****ed away our whole budget that we already had and a £3m player sale on what we’ve signed then that is absolutely astonishing.

Hibernian Verse
05-01-2023, 10:50 AM
Surprised hearts are managing to pull that loan move off for Kuol. Huge potential.

The difference of having people in charge of recruitment who actually know what they’re doing


It’s what we’re told so we don’t kick up **** when we make more ***** loan signings.

So do you want loan signings or not?

Kuol has "huge potential" based on what we've been told by the media. 18 first team games for Central Coast Mariners. He won't even be a starter at Hearts.

The Modfather
05-01-2023, 10:50 AM
What kind of midfielder is Erahon? All I know is he’s highly rated. We definitely need first team ready players, but if he is reportedly attracting interest in the region of £350k with only 6 months left on his contract he must be highly regarded.

Is he one in the mould if Kamara, Docherty, Ferguson, Campbell etc where this is our only window to get him before he moves out of our price range. Or is he just a promising youngster that could be a JDH rather than a McGinn destined for bigger things.

I’d go all out for Docherty on a pre-contract but suspect we can’t afford him.

Brightside
05-01-2023, 10:54 AM
Wasn't the Boyle transfer cash used to bring back Boyle?

Recall mixed stories at the time around this - possibly that we just told the Saudi mob to forego the instalments they were still due us for his initial transfer?

Big wages though.

Hibbyradge
05-01-2023, 10:54 AM
Hearts linked with a couple, Aberdeen linked with a couple.

We’re sitting about with our fingers up our *****.

How many fingers?

ThisIsTheYear
05-01-2023, 10:55 AM
Surprised hearts are managing to pull that loan move off for Kuol. Huge potential.

The difference of having people in charge of recruitment who actually know what they’re doing

What’s the difference between this signing and our development signings? He’s a young laddie, miles away from the finished article and exactly the type of signing we are moaning about making. We need boys who know the Scottish league and can improve the first 11

Hibernian Verse
05-01-2023, 10:56 AM
What’s the difference between this signing and our development signings? He’s a young laddie, miles away from the finished article and exactly the type of signing we are moaning about making. We need boys who know the Scottish league and can improve the first 11

If he was as good as Stuart93 hopes he is, then he'd would be playing in the English Championship already.

GreenGray
05-01-2023, 10:58 AM
What’s the difference between this signing and our development signings? He’s a young laddie, miles away from the finished article and exactly the type of signing we are moaning about making. We need boys who know the Scottish league and can improve the first 11

I get your point but this boy has been at a World Cup, is on the books at a Premier League team and was wanted by some of the biggest clubs In Europe. We’re taking our development boys from B teams etc.


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MrRobot
05-01-2023, 10:59 AM
I’m struggling to see how we can have no money for signings this window.

We signed Boyle but that was done by writing off the rest of the money we were due.

We sold Doig for £3m and have spent nowhere near that in fees etc. Where has the rest of that went?

Agreed, we must have money available. And if we really have blown it all, then Ron is going to need to make money available as we need to back the manager and get in quality.

We should be all over Greg Docherty if he’s at all interested.

JohnM1875
05-01-2023, 10:59 AM
What’s the difference between this signing and our development signings? He’s a young laddie, miles away from the finished article and exactly the type of signing we are moaning about making. We need boys who know the Scottish league and can improve the first 11

Actually agree with this. Think he'll be going to Hearts as they already have a few Australian's in their team so he'll settle a bit quicker and that's it really.

Another player with hardly any first team appearances isn't what we need.

EGL2000
05-01-2023, 11:00 AM
What’s the difference between this signing and our development signings? He’s a young laddie, miles away from the finished article and exactly the type of signing we are moaning about making. We need boys who know the Scottish league and can improve the first 11

For a start he's already a full Australian international. Also he's being put into squad that has a number of solid experienced players around him, ours does not.

Willis1875
05-01-2023, 11:10 AM
For a start he's already a full Australian international. Also he's being put into squad that has a number of solid experienced players around him, ours does not.

Plus I don’t think Xavi has ever described Jair Taveres as ‘unbelievable’ like he did this lad

thebausburst
05-01-2023, 11:10 AM
Just looking at who is a free agent or coming to end of contract:

Graeme Dorrans
Barry Bannan
Greg Docherty

Greg Docherty is a cracking player, don’t see us being able to get him though financially.

CapitalGreen
05-01-2023, 11:15 AM
What kind of midfielder is Erahon? All I know is he’s highly rated. We definitely need first team ready players, but if he is reportedly attracting interest in the region of £350k with only 6 months left on his contract he must be highly regarded.

Is he one in the mould if Kamara, Docherty, Ferguson, Campbell etc where this is our only window to get him before he moves out of our price range. Or is he just a promising youngster that could be a JDH rather than a McGinn destined for bigger things.

I’d go all out for Docherty on a pre-contract but suspect we can’t afford him.

Definitely not as good as Docherty or Kamara were upon leaving Hamilton & Dundee. They were the standouts at their clubs. He’s a big lad, combative and is comfortable retaining the ball under pressure but nothing special offensively. He’d be an upgrade on JC for sure but not sure he’d necessarily improve our midfield to the level we aspire it to be.

Shrekko
05-01-2023, 11:15 AM
Would take all three and ship out JDH, Newall and possibly one other if that’s what it took.

You'd take a 35 year old Dunfermline player (reject who hasn't played this season)?

Gmack7
05-01-2023, 11:16 AM
Plus I don’t think Xavi has ever described Jair Taveres as ‘unbelievable’ like he did this lad

That's quite an accolade

Spudster
05-01-2023, 11:16 AM
Shinnie going back to Aberdeen

I'm Spartacus
05-01-2023, 11:16 AM
For a start he's already a full Australian international. Also he's being put into squad that has a number of solid experienced players around him, ours does not.

The way I see it, any really good Aussie coming to Scotland will go to Celtic with their set up and Ange connection, anything else is just *****. Mooy being the prime example.

thebausburst
05-01-2023, 11:26 AM
Budget question, what comes out if it? Just associated transfer fees and signing on fees or if someone is given a 3 yr deal does the 3 yrs wages come out or is that a separate ‘wages’ budget. Anyone , without guessing, actually know?

GreenCastle
05-01-2023, 11:26 AM
Was it Hecky that brought in..

Docherty
McNulty
Omeonga

Basically 3 players who made a big difference 2nd part of season - unless my memory is playing tricks?

Broken Gnome
05-01-2023, 11:33 AM
Was it Hecky that brought in..

Docherty
McNulty
Omeonga

Basically 3 players who made a big difference 2nd part of season - unless my memory is playing tricks?

That was Ross pre-lockdown. Was going fine til that disaster against Hearts at Easter Road.

MWHIBBIES
05-01-2023, 11:33 AM
Was it Hecky that brought in..

Docherty
McNulty
Omeonga

Basically 3 players who made a big difference 2nd part of season - unless my memory is playing tricks?

Omeonga was Lennon. Docherty a year later was Ross. McNulty I think was Lennon too, then Ross the 2nd time.

GreenGray
05-01-2023, 11:33 AM
The way I see it, any really good Aussie coming to Scotland will go to Celtic with their set up and Ange connection, anything else is just *****. Mooy being the prime example.

He’s at Newcastle and very highly rated there why would he leave them to go to Celtic?


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GreenCastle
05-01-2023, 11:37 AM
That was Ross pre-lockdown. Was going fine til that disaster against Hearts at Easter Road.

That was Omeonga worst game and Docherty too.

McNulty stamped on someone I think too ?

Bayern Bru
05-01-2023, 11:38 AM
Omeonga was Lennon. Docherty a year later was Ross. McNulty I think was Lennon too, then Ross the 2nd time.

First time McNulty came was after Lennon had gone but before Hecky arrived.

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 11:38 AM
So do you want loan signings or not?

Kuol has "huge potential" based on what we've been told by the media. 18 first team games for Central Coast Mariners. He won't even be a starter at Hearts.

I said ***** loan signings in my first post. Kuol isn’t a ***** loan signing. He’d be straight into our starting 11

B.H.F.C
05-01-2023, 11:39 AM
Omeonga was Lennon. Docherty a year later was Ross. McNulty I think was Lennon too, then Ross the 2nd time.

Omeonga was twice as well, same time as McNulty.

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 11:41 AM
What’s the difference between this signing and our development signings? He’s a young laddie, miles away from the finished article and exactly the type of signing we are moaning about making. We need boys who know the Scottish league and can improve the first 11

Ones played at a World Cup and rejected Barcelona to sign for Newcastle

What pedigree did our development signings have? The majority of them didn’t even play first team football

Are you seriously suggesting there’s no difference between Kuol and the likes of tavares?

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 11:45 AM
How many fingers?

As many as we can fit it would seem

EGL2000
05-01-2023, 11:47 AM
The way I see it, any really good Aussie coming to Scotland will go to Celtic with their set up and Ange connection, anything else is just *****. Mooy being the prime example.

Alot of large teams across Europe were after him. If you are an assuie you'd much rather be at Newcastle than Celtic for me.

Hibernian Verse
05-01-2023, 11:47 AM
I said ***** loan signings in my first post. Kuol isn’t a ***** loan signing. He’d be straight into our starting 11

You have no idea if that would be the case or not. The only certain thing is uncertainty with any signing at our level.

Jones28
05-01-2023, 11:50 AM
Dorrans? Has he not been a bit of a flop since he left rangers?

No idea, just sick of seeing Newells name on the team sheet.

A midfield trio of Bannan, Docherty and Magennis could be interesting.

Jones28
05-01-2023, 11:51 AM
Are you wanting relegated?

Not particularly - it would seem we’re heading that way with our current midfielders though.

Bridge hibs
05-01-2023, 11:52 AM
Ones played at a World Cup and rejected Barcelona to sign for Newcastle

What pedigree did our development signings have? The majority of them didn’t even play first team football

Are you seriously suggesting there’s no difference between Kuol and the likes of tavares?What difference does it make who he rejected ? He only recently joined Newcastle from Central Coast Mariners

Folk on here are all cream puffy because we signed potential but all of a sudden because hearts sign someone the feet stamping has started. Newcastle have taken a punt and it might not work out, if it was us that signed him folk on here would be raging

Jones28
05-01-2023, 11:53 AM
You'd take a 35 year old Dunfermline player (reject who hasn't played this season)?

Probably not, no. Tbh it was a bit facetious but our current midfield group are getting us nowhere.

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 11:54 AM
What difference does it make who he rejected ? He only recently joined Newcastle from Central Coast Mariners

Folk on here are all cream puffy because we signed potential but all of a sudden because hearts sign someone the feet stamping has started. Newcastle have taken a punt and it might not work out, if it was us that signed him folk on here would be raging

I’d be delighted if we signed that calibre of potential. The potential we signed is from Leeds u23’s and benfica b team.

If we’d brought in a young lad who’d just signed for newcastle on the back of playing at the World Cup I’d be delighted.

brydekirk
05-01-2023, 11:56 AM
Van Veen should be a target of ours.

This

EGL2000
05-01-2023, 11:59 AM
What difference does it make who he rejected ? He only recently joined Newcastle from Central Coast Mariners

Folk on here are all cream puffy because we signed potential but all of a sudden because hearts sign someone the feet stamping has started. Newcastle have taken a punt and it might not work out, if it was us that signed him folk on
here would be raging


Surely it's more they are in the position to take the slight punt on potential due to their current squad. Whereas we need proven experience. Just because it's a decent looking signing for hearts does not mean it needs to be for us.

Bridge hibs
05-01-2023, 12:00 PM
I’d be delighted if we signed that calibre of potential. The potential we signed is from Leeds u23’s and benfica b team.

If we’d brought in a young lad who’d just signed for newcastle on the back of playing at the World Cup I’d be delighted.Have you seen him play for Central Coast Mariners ?

We signed a young lad from Man utd on loan, a massive club, more successful than Newcastle and he got torn to shreds on here

I despair at this place sometimes

Bridge hibs
05-01-2023, 12:02 PM
Surely it's more they are in the position to take the slight punt on potential due to their current squad. Whereas we need proven experience. Just because it's a decent looking signing for hearts does not mean it needs to be for us.Im not disputing that. Folk are gnashing their teeth because hearts have signed a young lad on loan from Newcastle, we signed a young lad on loan from Man U and he was ripped to shreds after tynie

Steven79
05-01-2023, 12:05 PM
Ross was anything but a spectacular failure. The failure was letting him down in the summer transfer window after he got us to Europe and a cup final. We should have built on that and not signed dross like Nathan Wood when we badly needed a defender capable of playing in the Premiership and Europe.This!

Been downhill after we failed to back him.

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EGL2000
05-01-2023, 12:08 PM
Im not disputing that. Folk are gnashing their teeth because hearts have signed a young lad on loan from Newcastle, we signed a young lad on loan from Man U and he was ripped to shreds after tynie

You could also argue he didn't get a game for Stockport County? I often think some of the English youth team fans think they will walk Scottish football. A good percentage of them probably have no idea of the standard.

nonshinyfinish
05-01-2023, 12:13 PM
Budget question, what comes out if it? Just associated transfer fees and signing on fees or if someone is given a 3 yr deal does the 3 yrs wages come out or is that a separate ‘wages’ budget. Anyone , without guessing, actually know?

I doubt anyone on here can answer that without some level of guesswork. That said, from what I've read about football finances, the standard approach seems to be to amortise the transfer fee over the length of the contract.

I.e. if you signed a player for £1m on a five-year contract and their wages will cost you £250k each year, then that's £200k (the transfer fee divided over five years) + £250k = £450k out of each year's budget.

HibsGW
05-01-2023, 12:16 PM
I’d be delighted if we signed that calibre of potential. The potential we signed is from Leeds u23’s and benfica b team.

If we’d brought in a young lad who’d just signed for newcastle on the back of playing at the World Cup I’d be delighted.

I agree, comparisons with Will Fish and Tavares are nonsense, this guy has burst into first team football scoring goals, was just playing at the world cup and was being looked at by some huge teams and ended up going to one of the richest teams in the world. Tavares came with no pedigree other than being at Benfica, theres was nothing to talk about appearance wise. Tavares is also 3 or 4 years older and achieved less in football. As someone else said, Will Fish couldn’t get a game for Stockport. Comparing him with them just comes across as being unwilling to accept it’s an exciting signing for Hearts.

I do agree that right now in our current situation he’s not at all what we’d need and not worth the gamble but if we were performing anywhere near half decent we’d be buzzing to have signed him.

I'm Spartacus
05-01-2023, 12:25 PM
Alot of large teams across Europe were after him. If you are an assuie you'd much rather be at Newcastle than Celtic for me.

Aye, sorry. I meant if he was all he's being made out to be then i'd suspect he'd be on loan to Celtic via Newcastle.

Mainstandman
05-01-2023, 12:34 PM
You could also argue he didn't get a game for Stockport County? I often think some of the English youth team fans think they will walk Scottish football. A good percentage of them probably have no idea of the standard.

I think that its more mentality of this league they can't handle. They have skills. The standard may not be like the EPL technically but its still the mentality and pressure of a top league. The fans are on you immediately here and the expectation to perform at your best all the time is there too.

Hibernian Verse
05-01-2023, 12:37 PM
I’d be delighted if we signed that calibre of potential. The potential we signed is from Leeds u23’s and benfica b team.

If we’d brought in a young lad who’d just signed for newcastle on the back of playing at the World Cup I’d be delighted.

Hearts are loaning potential then? What a waste of time. And from Newcastle's U23 team...

I'll stop arguing with you, as I get the impression you'd argue with the mirror so I've no chance of coming out on top.

Unseen work
05-01-2023, 12:41 PM
There’s no danger of Greg Docherty wanting to come to us.

Agree that Van Veen would be a decent signing

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 12:44 PM
Hearts are loaning potential then? What a waste of time. And from Newcastle's U23 team...

I'll stop arguing with you, as I get the impression you'd argue with the mirror so I've no chance of coming out on top.

We’re both just putting our points across in a debate, no argument here

Both completely entitled to our opinion on it

SMAXXA
05-01-2023, 12:46 PM
I’m hoping it’s not Kean then, it’s his paws all over the development team signings, and the decision not to play in the Lowland League

Which is 100% the right decision not to play in the lowland league. Strange rational.

H18 SFR
05-01-2023, 12:47 PM
Which is 100% the right decision not to play in the lowland league. Strange rational.

I’m sure some Hibs fans want to hate Kean because some Blackburn fans hated him 10 years ago.

SMAXXA
05-01-2023, 12:49 PM
I’m sure some Hibs fans want to hate Kean because some Blackburn fans hated him 10 years ago.

Some hibs fans just want to hate everything about the club throw in a few trolls and this place is horrendus the now

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 12:51 PM
Some hibs fans just want to hate everything about the club throw in a few trolls and this place is horrendus the now

This place isn’t exactly going to be buzzing is it? Horsed off our rivals and sitting 8th

I’m not exactly sure how this place is meant to be? There’s very little positives about the club just now on the football side of things

Unseen work
05-01-2023, 01:01 PM
One of the things that’s frustrating me the most is this season seems to almost be written off already.

The league is unbelievably tight, a couple of quality additions and a decent run would see us shoot right up the table and make 4th a real possibility and obviously still in the Scottish cup.

Get the quality in.

Trinity Hibee
05-01-2023, 01:05 PM
One of the things that’s frustrating me the most is this season seems to almost be written off already.

The league is unbelievably tight, a couple of quality additions and a decent run would see us shoot right up the table and make 4th a real possibility and obviously still in the Scottish cup.

Get the quality in.

Agree with you but the same happened last season. How we didn’t manage to finish top 6 was shocking.

It’s like watching the same movie all over again.

bingo70
05-01-2023, 01:10 PM
One of the things that’s frustrating me the most is this season seems to almost be written off already.

The league is unbelievably tight, a couple of quality additions and a decent run would see us shoot right up the table and make 4th a real possibility and obviously still in the Scottish cup.

Get the quality in.

We knew Boyle was out for the season, we know Porteous is probably going to leave us and we’ve known for a while we need more quality in.

Signings should have been in place from the start of the window. Instead though we’re just on about trying to lose players, restructuring the recruitment department and possibly replacing the manager.

The club won’t admit it but they’ve given up on this season. It’s just going to be about trying to avoid relegation I think.

One Day Soon
05-01-2023, 01:14 PM
We knew Boyle was out for the season, we know Porteous is probably going to leave us and we’ve known for a while we need more quality in.

Signings should have been in place from the start of the window. Instead though we’re just on about trying to lose players, restructuring the recruitment department and possibly replacing the manager.

The club won’t admit it but they’ve given up on this season. It’s just going to be about trying to avoid relegation I think.


We're an absolute stick-on for a last minute signing of the wrong kind of player in the wrong position. Most likely no single quality player but three 21 year old prospects 'just about to break through into the first team' at their current clubs.

flash
05-01-2023, 01:14 PM
We knew Boyle was out for the season, we know Porteous is probably going to leave us and we’ve known for a while we need more quality in.

Signings should have been in place from the start of the window. Instead though we’re just on about trying to lose players, restructuring the recruitment department and possibly replacing the manager.

The club won’t admit it but they’ve given up on this season. It’s just going to be about trying to avoid relegation I think.

Ah Bingo 3 points on Sunday and you will leading the charge for a European place.

Smartie
05-01-2023, 01:16 PM
One of the things that’s frustrating me the most is this season seems to almost be written off already.

The league is unbelievably tight, a couple of quality additions and a decent run would see us shoot right up the table and make 4th a real possibility and obviously still in the Scottish cup.

Get the quality in.

Totally agree.

Everything to play for.

Unlike some people I think we have the core of a good side that could be much better for even just one or two quality players.

Was it Boyle who once signed right at the start of the January window? Under that regime we just seemed to get recruitment right, signing what was needed when it was needed.

The worst thing about the last 2 summers has been that we have appeared to have dithered for long periods when we all knew exactly what was needed. Many talk about being patient and "quality only becoming available at the end of the window" but as every week goes by this January, more points disappear by going with a squad unable to achieve its objectives.

So whilst there's everything to play for now, our inaction right now could mean that yet another season is a write off in just a few weeks.

That is avoidable and unforgivable imo.

bingo70
05-01-2023, 01:20 PM
Ah Bingo 3 points on Sunday and you will leading the charge for a European place.

I absolutely reserve the right to be an irrational idiot if that does happen but I’ve got my doubts.

We could win on Sunday btw, I’m not saying every game is a right off, I just don’t think any improvement will be sustained with this team and manager.

One Day Soon
05-01-2023, 01:23 PM
Totally agree.

Everything to play for.

Unlike some people I think we have the core of a good side that could be much better for even just one or two quality players.

Was it Boyle who once signed right at the start of the January window? Under that regime we just seemed to get recruitment right, signing what was needed when it was needed.

The worst thing about the last 2 summers has been that we have appeared to have dithered for long periods when we all knew exactly what was needed. Many talk about being patient and "quality only becoming available at the end of the window" but as every week goes by, more points disappear by going with a squad unable to achieve its objectives.

So whilst there's everything to play for now, our inaction right now could mean that yet another season is a write off in just a few weeks.

That is avoidable and unforgivable imo.


Completely agree. Early, sensible action could actually significantly alter our prospects. I have limited faith in that action being taken right now though given the personnel in place at each level and the lack of financial flexibility we have straight-jacketed ourselves with through earlier crackpot signings.

mcfly
05-01-2023, 01:29 PM
Totally agree.

Everything to play for.

Unlike some people I think we have the core of a good side that could be much better for even just one or two quality players.

Was it Boyle who once signed right at the start of the January window? Under that regime we just seemed to get recruitment right, signing what was needed when it was needed.

The worst thing about the last 2 summers has been that we have appeared to have dithered for long periods when we all knew exactly what was needed. Many talk about being patient and "quality only becoming available at the end of the window" but as every week goes by this January, more points disappear by going with a squad unable to achieve its objectives.

So whilst there's everything to play for now, our inaction right now could mean that yet another season is a write off in just a few weeks.

That is avoidable and unforgivable imo.

I’m sorry I have to disagree with you.

To make us a decent side we need 3-4 players to go into the first team now.

We need a proper centre half, a ball winning midfielder and also a creative one.

We also need someone who scores as we don’t score enough goals.

Sadly we will be scrambling around on transfer deadline day for players no one wants and we will have the same conversations in February.

Difficult time for the board because if they don’t back the manager and get quality in now then season tickets for next year will reduce drastically

GreenPJ
05-01-2023, 01:31 PM
We knew Boyle was out for the season, we know Porteous is probably going to leave us and we’ve known for a while we need more quality in.

Signings should have been in place from the start of the window. Instead though we’re just on about trying to lose players, restructuring the recruitment department and possibly replacing the manager.

The club won’t admit it but they’ve given up on this season. It’s just going to be about trying to avoid relegation I think.

It has to be sequential though - no club can just continue to buy without making space/cost reduction in current squad. You can't make other clubs want to take/buy players and agents are going to do what is right for their players rather than what is best for the selling club. Recruitment has been heavily criticised and rightly so, so if you don't change anything in terms of the recruitment strategy we just make more mistakes this window and compound the problem.

I agree to a certain extent that the club may have resigned themselves to not hitting the objectives it had set out with at the start of the season although I do weirdly think that the club has players at its disposal that should be good enough to get us into the top 6 (although not good enough for top 4). This then puts the onus back on the manager to get a tune out of the players he has available to him at the club. Whether he can do that or not we will find out - if it continues to go badly and we underperform I suspect Kean will be brought in to try and stop the rot.

jeffers
05-01-2023, 01:33 PM
Totally agree.

Everything to play for.

Unlike some people I think we have the core of a good side that could be much better for even just one or two quality players.

Was it Boyle who once signed right at the start of the January window? Under that regime we just seemed to get recruitment right, signing what was needed when it was needed.

The worst thing about the last 2 summers has been that we have appeared to have dithered for long periods when we all knew exactly what was needed. Many talk about being patient and "quality only becoming available at the end of the window" but as every week goes by this January, more points disappear by going with a squad unable to achieve its objectives.

So whilst there's everything to play for now, our inaction right now could mean that yet another season is a write off in just a few weeks.

That is avoidable and unforgivable imo.

It’s a huge gamble imo. Season ticket numbers held up surprisingly well this season on the back of our bottom 6 finish. I’m doubtful they’ll do so again if we have an equally poor season this one.

JohnM1875
05-01-2023, 01:35 PM
It’s a huge gamble imo. Season ticket numbers held up surprisingly well this season on the back of our bottom 6 finish. I’m doubtful they’ll do so again if we have an equally poor season this one.

Agree. Two of our four were swithering at the start of this season and now there's serious doubts about renewing if it all stays the same.

Only way the overall number work stay roughly the same is if Hibs lower prices and let's be honest, not a chance of that.

B.H.F.C
05-01-2023, 01:35 PM
One of the things that’s frustrating me the most is this season seems to almost be written off already.

The league is unbelievably tight, a couple of quality additions and a decent run would see us shoot right up the table and make 4th a real possibility and obviously still in the Scottish cup.

Get the quality in.

From what has been coming out over the last few weeks I think it’s been pretty clear that there isn’t any quality coming in, in this window, to save the season. I don’t think them simply writing it off is the case though.

I think they’ll be hoping to muddle through but probably didn’t expect it to get quite as bad, which might make them do something if they get the fear of relegation in the next couple of weeks.

Iain G
05-01-2023, 01:40 PM
From what has been coming out over the last few weeks I think it’s been pretty clear that there isn’t any quality coming in, in this window, to save the season. I don’t think them simply writing it off is the case though.

I think they’ll be hoping to muddle through but probably didn’t expect it to get quite as bad, which might make them do something if they get the fear of relegation in the next couple of weeks.

What have you been reading that suggests we aren't going to bring anyone in? :confused:

B.H.F.C
05-01-2023, 01:44 PM
What have you been reading that suggests we aren't going to bring anyone in? :confused:

Everything the manager has had to say has been gearing us up for little incoming activity IMO. All the chat is about outgoings.

I think we will get one or two in but I think probably loans or short term stuff at best. People think we’re going to make multiple quality additions in this window but I’ll be amazed if that’s the case. And anything that does happen will be reliant on getting folk out first, which isn’t easy when you want them out because they’re pish but on good contracts.

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 01:46 PM
Everything the manager has had to say has been gearing us up for little incoming activity IMO. All the chat is about outgoings.

I think we will get one or two in but I think probably loans or short term stuff at best. People think we’re going to make multiple quality additions in this window but I’ll be amazed if that’s the case. And anything that does happen will be reliant on getting folk out first, which isn’t easy when you want them out because they’re pish but on good contracts.

It’s a bit mental people seem to have forgotten the last 3 transfer windows.

The squad hasn’t been any better off after any of them but now we’ve meant to believe the recruitment team are magically going to become even adequate at their purpose

Trinity Hibee
05-01-2023, 01:47 PM
It’s a bit mental people seem to have forgotten the last 3 transfer windows.

The squad hasn’t been any better off after any of them but now we’ve meant to believe the recruitment team are magically going to become even adequate at their purpose

This is it for me. No evidence any of them know what they are doing and know what we require.

Hearing Ron Gordon on one of the fans podcasts saying he thought we’d recruited well just confirmed he has no clue

Stuart93
05-01-2023, 01:50 PM
This is it for me. No evidence any of them know what they are doing and know what we require.

Hearing Ron Gordon on one of the fans podcasts saying he thought we’d recruited well just confirmed he has no clue

We’ve seen it all before. Posters who’ve raised valid concerns early in the last 3 transfer windows have been referred to as “bed wetters” yet there’s radio silence when those concerns come to fruition.

Hibbyradge
05-01-2023, 01:56 PM
We’ve seen it all before. Posters who’ve raised valid concerns early in the last 3 transfer windows have been referred to as “bed wetters” yet there’s radio silence when those concerns come to fruition.

Their beds were wet, though.

It would be rude to keep reminding them about it.

supermcginn
05-01-2023, 02:00 PM
Hearts are loaning potential then? What a waste of time. And from Newcastle's U23 team...

I'll stop arguing with you, as I get the impression you'd argue with the mirror so I've no chance of coming out on top.

He's not from the under 23 team. Four four two magazine have announced their top 50 most exciting teenagers in world football, he's 12th on the list.

EGL2000
05-01-2023, 02:06 PM
Would love Greg doc back, but surely out of our league now. When was the last time we signed someone playing week in week out from the championship.

Unseen work
05-01-2023, 02:10 PM
I must admit I know nothing about this young Australian lad.

He’s 18 and played in the A league, is he actually that good or is it a punt from bigger teams due to him scoring a couple of goals?

Yes he went to the World Cup but so did Jason Cummings…

Players from the A League don’t always succeed when moving up the leagues

Remember Islam Feruz? The next big thing from Celtic that went to Chelsea and then came on loan to us and mmm in the championship and got about 10 minutes?

I’m not saying the lad is awful, but I’m not terrified at the thought of them signing him on a loan. Especially when he’ll need time to adjust to UK etc (if he’s anything like our signings 😅)

Scotty Leither
05-01-2023, 02:11 PM
I’m struggling to see how we can have no money for signings this window.

We signed Boyle but that was done by writing off the rest of the money we were due.

We sold Doig for £3m and have spent nowhere near that in fees etc. Where has the rest of that went?

The kind of question that should be posed directly to Gordon when he next grants us an audience.

04Sauzee
05-01-2023, 02:12 PM
Would love Greg doc back, but surely out of our league now. When was the last time we signed someone playing week in week out from the championship.

Demitri Mitchell from Blackpool, think they were championship? He was definitely getting games. Not sure if they were from the bench or if he was a starter?

Paulie Walnuts
05-01-2023, 02:18 PM
I must admit I know nothing about this young Australian lad.

He’s 18 and played in the A league, is he actually that good or is it a punt from bigger teams due to him scoring a couple of goals?

Yes he went to the World Cup but so did Jason Cummings…

Players from the A League don’t always succeed when moving up the leagues

Remember Islam Feruz? The next big thing from Celtic that went to Chelsea and then came on loan to us and mmm in the championship and got about 10 minutes?

I’m not saying the lad is awful, but I’m not terrified at the thought of them signing him on a loan. Especially when he’ll need time to adjust to UK etc (if he’s anything like our signings 😅)

He started his first league game for CCM. I’d be surprised if he’s that good at this point or else they’d have been starting him.

Great potential, definitely, but I’d be stunned if he’s better than the likes of Shankland and Mackay at this stage.

One Day Soon
05-01-2023, 02:21 PM
It’s a bit mental people seem to have forgotten the last 3 transfer windows.

The squad hasn’t been any better off after any of them but now we’ve meant to believe the recruitment team are magically going to become even adequate at their purpose


It's the eternal triumph of hope over reality. If they get any of it right it will probably be by accident. Your periodic reminder though that it doesn't have to be this way.

Willis1875
05-01-2023, 02:22 PM
I must admit I know nothing about this young Australian lad.

He’s 18 and played in the A league, is he actually that good or is it a punt from bigger teams due to him scoring a couple of goals?

Yes he went to the World Cup but so did Jason Cummings…

Players from the A League don’t always succeed when moving up the leagues

Remember Islam Feruz? The next big thing from Celtic that went to Chelsea and then came on loan to us and mmm in the championship and got about 10 minutes?

I’m not saying the lad is awful, but I’m not terrified at the thought of them signing him on a loan. Especially when he’ll need time to adjust to UK etc (if he’s anything like our signings 😅)

Know little of him either but he’s ranked something like 12th in list of 50 hottest prospects in world football but then so was Ollie Shaw by someone 🤣 hen there’s the caveat that if he’s so good what’s he going to hearts for

Bridge hibs
05-01-2023, 02:22 PM
He's not from the under 23 team. Four four two magazine have announced their top 50 most exciting teenagers in world football, he's 12th on the list.Newcastles academy ? Thats Under 23s isnt it ?

Newcastle United sporting director, Dan Ashworth, said: "Garang is a very promising young talent and we are excited that he'll be continuing his development as a Newcastle United player.
"Our philosophy is to invest in our Academy and in exciting young players for the future, as well as in players required to make an immediate impact in the first team.

Hibernian Verse
05-01-2023, 02:26 PM
Here's the top 12 from the Guardian's 60 most exciting talents 2016

1. Ezequiel Barco
2. Maxi Romero
3. Vahan Bichakhchyan
4. Sebastien Pasquali (Australian btw)
5. Valentino Muller
6. Mike Svilar
7. Thibaud Verlinden
8. Indy Boonen
9. Nadhim Hadzic
10. Luiz Fernando
11. Fabricio Oya
12. Nicolas Reis

Nah, me neither.

Unseen work
05-01-2023, 02:33 PM
Know little of him either but he’s ranked something like 12th in list of 50 hottest prospects in world football but then so was Ollie Shaw by someone 🤣 hen there’s the caveat that if he’s so good what’s he going to hearts for

I’m sure I once read a football magazine (442) or similar and there was a feature on Lewis Stevenson and how he was one to watch.

Then the obvious Ollie Shaw one like you say 😂

brydekirk
05-01-2023, 02:36 PM
Where’s the Doig money went to that we’re so skint all of a sudden?

Suspect harsh reality is biting the Gordons on the arse that to bring decent players in you’ll actually need to spend a bit of money.

Who’d have thought it, eh?

The Doig money is paid by instalments

EGL2000
05-01-2023, 02:39 PM
Demitri Mitchell from Blackpool, think they were championship? He was definitely getting games. Not sure if they were from the bench or if he was a starter?

Played the majority of his games in league 1 for Blackpool. Made 12 appearances in the champ. Doc already on 17 this season at just over half way point.

Paulie Walnuts
05-01-2023, 02:40 PM
The Doig money is paid by instalments

And can therefore be spent by instalments.

Alvin
05-01-2023, 02:43 PM
Would love Greg doc back, but surely out of our league now. When was the last time we signed someone playing week in week out from the championship.

Was thinking about Docherty only this morning, in that he’s one of the few signings in recent years who’s come in and looked a cut above the norm. It was telling that we could only get him on loan for a short while and had no chance of actually signing him.

The more I see, the more I believe that managers, tactics, formations, philosophies etc count for next to nothing in the strange world that is the Scottish Premiership outside Glasgow. It’s all about the quality of recruitment. Everybody (not just Hibs) is shopping in the same bargain basement of mediocrity and occasionally one club finds two or three above average players, which sees them nab 3rd place for a while.

9 times out of 10 it takes proper cash (fees and/or salary) to land these players and, without it, it’s difficult to see Hibs getting anywhere near the top three, or even out of the current freefall.

JammyDoidger
05-01-2023, 02:58 PM
Both Nisbet and Kucharevich are better then Van Veen, he's not what we need, it's centre half's, full backs and midfielders we need to make us competitive, it would help if Johnson actually knew what system he was going to go with regularly so we could sign players to fit that right enough.

badabing67
05-01-2023, 03:00 PM
Both Nisbet and Kucharevich are better then Van Veen, he's not what we need, it's centre half's, full backs and midfielders we need to make us competitive, it would help if Johnson actually knew what system he was going to go with regularly so we could sign players to fit that right enough.

Unfortunately Kukharevych is only a loan though

MWHIBBIES
05-01-2023, 03:11 PM
Both Nisbet and Kucharevich are better then Van Veen, he's not what we need, it's centre half's, full backs and midfielders we need to make us competitive, it would help if Johnson actually knew what system he was going to go with regularly so we could sign players to fit that right enough.

Thank god someone said it.

Van Veen is about the last thing we need. We have 2 forwards who are better.

Callum_62
05-01-2023, 03:19 PM
Thank god someone said it.

Van Veen is about the last thing we need. We have 2 forwards who are better.I'm. Actually comfortable with our attacking players

I'd be semi comfortable with our defence if porteous was staying and on it

We aboslutely need a really good, athletic centre midfielder

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coldingham hibs
05-01-2023, 03:24 PM
Was thinking about Docherty only this morning, in that he’s one of the few signings in recent years who’s come in and looked a cut above the norm. It was telling that we could only get him on loan for a short while and had no chance of actually signing him.

The more I see, the more I believe that managers, tactics, formations, philosophies etc count for next to nothing in the strange world that is the Scottish Premiership outside Glasgow. It’s all about the quality of recruitment. Everybody (not just Hibs) is shopping in the same bargain basement of mediocrity and occasionally one club finds two or three above average players, which sees them nab 3rd place for a while.

9 times out of 10 it takes proper cash (fees and/or salary) to land these players and, without it, it’s difficult to see Hibs getting anywhere near the top three, or even out of the current freefall.

My memory of Docherty is a horrendous performance against Hearts on another occasion when I thought we might beat them. How wrong I was.

JKeatings
05-01-2023, 03:26 PM
I must admit I know nothing about this young Australian lad.

He’s 18 and played in the A league, is he actually that good or is it a punt from bigger teams due to him scoring a couple of goals?

Yes he went to the World Cup but so did Jason Cummings…

Players from the A League don’t always succeed when moving up the leagues

Remember Islam Feruz? The next big thing from Celtic that went to Chelsea and then came on loan to us and mmm in the championship and got about 10 minutes?

I’m not saying the lad is awful, but I’m not terrified at the thought of them signing him on a loan. Especially when he’ll need time to adjust to UK etc (if he’s anything like our signings 😅) we would be delighted if we signed him on loan dont kid yourself on

number9dream
05-01-2023, 03:33 PM
If Cabraja isn't settled, or just isn't any good, would it be worth nipping in for Matt Penney?
He's been impressive for Motherwell and his loan from Ipswich is up this month.
It's probably not top of the list since we need at least one centre-half, two if Porto leaves, and a presence in midfield.

In terms of recouping losses, would we sell if Swindon offered around half what we paid to get McKirdy back?
Modest fees for JDH, Kenneh and Mitchell... to English League 1, where they would get similar wages.
Need some sort of bidding war for Porto - and hope he's not happy to sit until summer for his pick of clubs.

MrRobot
05-01-2023, 03:33 PM
Unfortunately Kukharevych is only a loan though

Really hope we are making enquiries to sign him permanently, he’s been a great signing for us.

neil7908
05-01-2023, 03:33 PM
we would be delighted if we signed him on loan dont kid yourself on

Would we? He's totally untested at this level and is 18.

He might be the next big thing but doing it week in, week out in the SPL at his age is very, very challenging.

Look at Diallo at Sevco. He was signed by Man United for 30 odd million - did nothing with Sevco last year.

Right now the last thing Hibs need is a totally untested 18 year old.

SMAXXA
05-01-2023, 03:37 PM
Would we? He's totally untested at this level and is 18.

He might be the next big thing but doing it week in, week out in the SPL at his age is very, very challenging.

Look at Diallo at Sevco. He was signed by Man United for 30 odd million - did nothing with Sevco last year.

Right now the last thing Hibs need is a totally untested 18 year old.

Following from the profile of the summer signings can you imagine the meld down if we signed this lad 😂

HendoDelivered
05-01-2023, 03:39 PM
Really hope we are making enquiries to sign him permanently, he’s been a great signing for us.

Same, but Well without our price range I’d think

SMAXXA
05-01-2023, 03:40 PM
He's not from the under 23 team. Four four two magazine have announced their top 50 most exciting teenagers in world football, he's 12th on the list.

He is though isn’t he, and also that list means a whole lot of nothing sure the lad Karemoke dembele from Celtic was on there, Islam feruz etc etc. it would be a good signing for hearts as they don’t really need him to make it break their season but if that wasn’t the case it would be a random punt on him like the boy they signed from Man City few years ago Japanese lad.

EGL2000
05-01-2023, 03:51 PM
Really hope we are making enquiries to sign him permanently, he’s been a great signing for us.


Almost zero chance of that I'd assume, wouldn't surprise me if they pushed for around one mill seeing as it's city group.

neil7908
05-01-2023, 03:52 PM
Following from the profile of the summer signings can you imagine the meld down if we signed this lad 😂

This. He might be the next Messi but I suspect those commenting have never seen him play.

The fact Newcastle aren't lending him to a team in the English Championship is telling as well. If he was really a top player already they would have him on loan at a much higher level than the SPL.

B.H.F.C
05-01-2023, 03:56 PM
I'm. Actually comfortable with our attacking players

I'd be semi comfortable with our defence if porteous was staying and on it

We aboslutely need a really good, athletic centre midfielder

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Porteous not been at his best this season but he’s by far our best centre half. We definitely need to replace him if/when he goes.

Enough has been said about Hanlon but I’ve found a lot of the praise for Rocky a bit excessive. He’s improved but the best thing I can say about him is that his attitude has been really good and he looks desperate to do well. But our one spell of being semi decent defensively was minus him.

I don’t think we will do too much but if we could find a starting centre half and starting midfielder (even if it’s just short term) that could make a big difference for me.

Bridge hibs
05-01-2023, 03:58 PM
we would be delighted if we signed him on loan dont kid yourself onWould we ? There seems to be a bit of a trend on here that a few are prepared to rip into our own players, young players too but whenever hearts sign a player he is a ****ing superstar

Gives me the ****ing boak, hibs fans aye

Some of the name calling and vitriol aimed at our players on here is ****ing brutal, I get the criticism which is absolutely deserved but **** me, its relentless

04Sauzee
05-01-2023, 04:19 PM
Incredibly Kamberi has got himself as short term deal at Huddersfield

Smartie
05-01-2023, 04:30 PM
My memory of Docherty is a horrendous performance against Hearts on another occasion when I thought we might beat them. How wrong I was.

My memory of Docherty was that he improved a terrible midfield immeasurably, and the admittedly awful performance against Hearts was very much the exception rather than the rule on a night when the whole team was pish.

Unseen work
05-01-2023, 04:30 PM
we would be delighted if we signed him on loan dont kid yourself on

I would undoubtedly get excited.

But bigger clubs buy every last bit of potential from smaller clubs for peanuts in the hope one comes good.

Rocky was signed by Norwich, Feruz by Chelsea etc etc.

He’ll also suit hearts a lot better as they have a solid squad with experienced players, he’ll be coming into a settled team full of confidence and be able to drip feed him.

He might be brilliant, but I’d be stunned if he’s what we’re missing.

eastmainsmsh
05-01-2023, 04:32 PM
Horgan signs for Stevenage on loan

Smartie
05-01-2023, 04:33 PM
we would be delighted if we signed him on loan dont kid yourself on

We would, just like we were delighted when we signed Feruz and Gauld.

Clearly his credentials are excellent but there's no guarantee his skillset will necessarily translate to immediate success in Scottish football.

Smartie
05-01-2023, 04:35 PM
I would undoubtedly get excited.

But bigger clubs buy every last bit of potential from smaller clubs for peanuts in the hope one comes good.

Rocky was signed by Norwich, Feruz by Chelsea etc etc.

He’ll also suit hearts a lot better as they have a solid squad with experienced players, he’ll be coming into a settled team full of confidence and be able to drip feed him.

He might be brilliant, but I’d be stunned if he’s what we’re missing.

From a Hibs perspective and where we are right here, right now, I'd take half a season from Snodgrass over half a season off this guy every day of the week.

Unseen work
05-01-2023, 04:37 PM
From a Hibs perspective and where we are right here, right now, I'd take half a season from Snodgrass over half a season off this guy every day of the week.

100%

We have a lot of “what if” players, for now we need some settled and reliable players who we know will come in and do a job.

Guys like Snodgrass, Marshall and McGeady (who I believe will show his quality if fit).

HendoDelivered
05-01-2023, 04:48 PM
Incredibly Kamberi has got himself as short term deal at Huddersfield

Think their manager actually helped him get a move to Hibs in some way.

eastmainsmsh
05-01-2023, 04:49 PM
26371

Jonnyboy
05-01-2023, 04:54 PM
26371

:greengrin

Bridge hibs
05-01-2023, 04:56 PM
:greengrinPicture is fuzzy, what is it ?

blackpoolhibs
05-01-2023, 04:56 PM
One of the things that’s frustrating me the most is this season seems to almost be written off already.

The league is unbelievably tight, a couple of quality additions and a decent run would see us shoot right up the table and make 4th a real possibility and obviously still in the Scottish cup.

Get the quality in.

Are you saying we are only 8 points off 3rd?

RMQ1967
05-01-2023, 04:58 PM
26371

Better off with the Krankies's 😩

Hibbyradge
05-01-2023, 04:58 PM
From a Hibs perspective and where we are right here, right now, I'd take half a season from Snodgrass over half a season off this guy every day of the week.

No wonder. He'd be knackered playing as much as that!

Rumble de Thump
05-01-2023, 05:00 PM
He's not from the under 23 team. Four four two magazine have announced their top 50 most exciting teenagers in world football, he's 12th on the list.

Yes, it's their under 21 squad.

One Day Soon
05-01-2023, 05:02 PM
Horgan signs for Stevenage on loan

Horgan. Jeez.

eastmainsmsh
05-01-2023, 05:02 PM
Picture is fuzzy, what is it ?

Lee Johnson has taken English-Iranian striker, Phandab Edozie, on a 6 week trial at Hibernian. The player goes straight into the squad to face Motherwell on Sunday

One Day Soon
05-01-2023, 05:03 PM
Incredibly Kamberi has got himself as short term deal at Huddersfield

Catering Manager?

One Day Soon
05-01-2023, 05:05 PM
Both Nisbet and Kucharevich are better then Van Veen, he's not what we need, it's centre half's, full backs and midfielders we need to make us competitive, it would help if Johnson actually knew what system he was going to go with regularly so we could sign players to fit that right enough.


Johnson. System. Regularly.

Nope.

Bridge hibs
05-01-2023, 05:07 PM
Lee Johnson has taken English-Iranian striker, Phandab Edozie, on a 6 week trial at Hibernian. The player goes straight into the squad to face Motherwell on SundayCheers mate 🤣