Ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

Did I hear correctly on GMTV news this morning that Ukraine has fired drones into Moscow and saying they are taking the war to Russia ?

I can understand defending your own country as they have been but sending drones into Russia is surely a very dangerous move and an escalation
They've been sending drones into Moscow for the last 6 months they are just becoming more regular. Difference is Ukraine are hitting government buildings. Why should Russia sit back with the safety whilst Russia targets civilian buildings.

Uk and us don't allow their weapons used in Russia but Ukraine has been striking targets inside Russia from day 1. Not sure how Russia can escalate they aren't using nukes and they have used everything else in their arsenal

[Ozyhibby]

They've been sending drones into Moscow for the last 6 months they are just becoming more regular. Difference is Ukraine are hitting government buildings. Why should Russia sit back with the safety whilst Russia targets civilian buildings.

Uk and us don't allow their weapons used in Russia but Ukraine has been striking targets inside Russia from day 1. Not sure how Russia can escalate they aren't using nukes and they have used everything else in their arsenal

The drones they are using are being made in Ukraine. And they are getting pretty good at making them as well.
There is a good military reason for doing it. They are trying to force the Russians to relocate some of their air defence systems back to Moscow.


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[Renfrew_Hibby]

Would be great to see some more of the gleaming skyscrapers of Moscow City district smashed up a bit.
Makes a change though from the Russians hitting hospitals and residential blocks.

[greenginger]

Are the drones being launched from Ukraine or are they coming from nearer Moscow ?

[Ozyhibby]

Are the drones being launched from Ukraine or are they coming from nearer Moscow ?

From Ukraine. Although they won’t admit it.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Ukraine hits the same tower a second time. I like one of the comments, Russia should join NATO and get access to the Patriot system

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1686242973221040128

[Rumble de Thump]

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Russian flags appearing at celebrations of the coups in Africa.

Although this BBC article says 'why some people want Russia in...' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-66365376) it doesn't actually seem to explain it at all. There was some chatter early on in the coups that Russia was behind them. Something to do with Uranium resources etc.

[Jack]

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Russian flags appearing at celebrations of the coups in Africa.

Although this BBC article says 'why some people want Russia in...' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-66365376) it doesn't actually seem to explain it at all. There was some chatter early on in the coups that Russia was behind them. Something to do with Uranium resources etc.

Ukraine used to supply grain to these countries. Russia steals the grain from Ukraine through war and promises it to these African countries. These countries align with Russia and say how wonderful Russia is.

[LunasBoots]

I'm surprised their borders with Belarus are still open at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66347370

Poland are going to tighten things now I think, especially with the talk ramping up on both sides.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Military Helicopters from Belarus witnessed flying in Polish airspace this morning, i'm thinking deliberately accidental


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ0PSZmFSaI

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1687514620460748802?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Ruble has been collapsing all day today.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/warfrontline/status/1687538135553474577?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

This is good news.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Interesting article on the patriot system saving Kyiv and destroying the Russian hypersonic missles

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a601271e-32c8-11ee-b04c-88a034803f06?shareToken=ab29343a9eaa35f4f36791c36e b93a88

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1687577831302139904?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Large attack on Kerch bridge tonight and big explosions heard. [emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[Glory Lurker]

Last five paragraphs say it all for me. I remain pessimistic about how it will end up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66383377

[Stairway 2 7]

Last five paragraphs say it all for me. I remain pessimistic about how it will end up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66383377

Gardiner said the same last summer and after that Ukraine took back Kherson, by far the biggest city Russia had captured. I'm 100 times more optimistic than 16 months ago. Me and most including the bbc thought it was a matter of time before Ukraine became Russia. Since then Ukraine has taken a huge amount of Kharkiv and Kherson. They have one of the best air defenses in the world and modern equipment.

The worst case scenario now is Ukraine lose some more land than pre war and a land bridge. Russia will never now take Kyiv and Ukraine will become EU with defence pacts, that would seem unbelievable not long ago.

I personally think Ukraine will continue to take land and destroy the Russian military bit by bit.

[Ozyhibby]

I think with every day, Russia moves closer to collapse.


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[Smartie]

Last five paragraphs say it all for me. I remain pessimistic about how it will end up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66383377

I’m pessimistic about the battlefield stuff and dread to think what might happen as a consequence of the US election.

The “rouble” stuff is probably the current cause for optimism though. Oligarchs getting progressively poorer will not be happy and will want change, especially if it’s accompanied by drones crashing into Moscow towers and the like.

It feels to me like the end of this war will be influenced more by stuff outside of Ukraine than within.

[Hibrandenburg]

If Trump gets in then it will not only change the course of the war but will likely see it expand. Putin must be praying that Trump gets in.

[Stairway 2 7]

Trumps latest this week is he will tell Putin for a full ceasefire and fair talks or in his words they will arm Ukraine like they have never been armed before and end this thing. Delusional nutter

[Ozyhibby]

I’m pessimistic about the battlefield stuff and dread to think what might happen as a consequence of the US election.

The “rouble” stuff is probably the current cause for optimism though. Oligarchs getting progressively poorer will not be happy and will want change, especially if it’s accompanied by drones crashing into Moscow towers and the like.

It feels to me like the end of this war will be influenced more by stuff outside of Ukraine than within.

I actually think that it will be the battlefield that will start the collapse. Ukraine are starting to make good gains now and are really hammering Russian logistics. The Ruble’s performance this week might just be reflecting that.


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[tamig]

I actually think that it will be the battlefield that will start the collapse. Ukraine are starting to make good gains now and are really hammering Russian logistics. The Ruble’s performance this week might just be reflecting that.


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They are making small incremental gains. Not good gains. Many experts are saying this was to be expected. The Russians have mined everything and undergrowth is now making the demining painfully slow. There won’t be any good or significant gains before the weather turns again. It will continue to be a long slog imo. On the battlefield at least.

[Stairway 2 7]

The are in the attrition phase, hitting ammo and troop concentrations. They did this for months before they suddenly. US or UK would do this stage with their airforce in half the time. Western countries are holding off giving Ukraine 30 year old planes though so it will take much longer.

[Jones28]

One of the twitter commentators who is usually spot on with their assessments did a map the other day with two heavily fortified Russian lines, but then sad if Ukrainian troops break through these lines the Russians have no reserves to stop their line being completely cut in two. This was going south towards the Black Sea. Everything to the west of the breakthrough would be cut off. I’d share it if I could find it again.

[Ozyhibby]

One of the twitter commentators who is usually spot on with their assessments did a map the other day with two heavily fortified Russian lines, but then sad if Ukrainian troops break through these lines the Russians have no reserves to stop their line being completely cut in two. This was going south towards the Black Sea. Everything to the west of the breakthrough would be cut off. I’d share it if I could find it again.

They also appear to have got a significant amount of troops across the Dnipro in Kherson. That is going to be a real problem for the Russians.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Article from last week on Ukraines 3rd generation water drones. They are made in Ukraine and they soon will have dozens a month. The got technological updates from South Korea recently and are testing the 4th generation now.

Since this article they have hit 2 more Russian ships a military lander and a cargo ship coming back after empting its load

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/30/europe/ukraine-drones-black-sea-intl/index.html

More worrying will be they are apparently almost finished developing their own cruise missles. Unlike storm shadow and HIMARS it won't have restrictions of only being fired on Ukrainian land. Not sure how Russia will take Russian targets getting blown up, hundreds a month expected

[Glory Lurker]

Article from last week on Ukraines 3rd generation water drones. They are made in Ukraine and they soon will have dozens a month. The got technological updates from South Korea recently and are testing the 4th generation now.

Since this article they have hit 2 more Russian ships a military lander and a cargo ship coming back after empting its load

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/30/europe/ukraine-drones-black-sea-intl/index.html

More worrying will be they are apparently almost finished developing their own cruise missles. Unlike storm shadow and HIMARS it won't have restrictions of only being fired on Ukrainian land. Not sure how Russia will take Russian targets getting blown up, hundreds a month expected

You'd like to hope that whatever was whispered in Putin's ear last year about what would happen if he went nuke would still be enough to rein him in. At the same time, I expect we'll be saying to Ukraine that we agree it's your war, it's your right to retaliate, but we might need to be careful about being in your boat if you risk making it our war too.

All in though, what a bloody shower us humans are.

[Stairway 2 7]

You'd like to hope that whatever was whispered in Putin's ear last year about what would happen if he went nuke would still be enough to rein him in. At the same time, I expect we'll be saying to Ukraine that we agree it's your war, it's your right to retaliate, but we might need to be careful about being in your boat if you risk making it our war too.

All in though, what a bloody shower us humans are.

The said don't send heavy vehicles as Russia might nuke if they escalate, we did they didn't do anything. Then don't send planes we did and nothing, then don't let them retake Kherson, then tanks, then long range missles ect. Every red line crossed and nothing.

Ukraine has already hit Moscow and regularly hits crimea and Belgograd nothing. If they just stopped at the start in fear of Russia nuking Ukraine would be Russian.

I don't think the Russian generals want the end of the world for them and their families. I read it would take around 250 people to set of a nuclear bomb nowadays. Someone would say no.

I personally don't think there is even a 1% chance of a nuke. I'm more worried about pressure on ukraine to not take back crimea

[Jones28]

Article from last week on Ukraines 3rd generation water drones. They are made in Ukraine and they soon will have dozens a month. The got technological updates from South Korea recently and are testing the 4th generation now.

Since this article they have hit 2 more Russian ships a military lander and a cargo ship coming back after empting its load

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/30/europe/ukraine-drones-black-sea-intl/index.html

More worrying will be they are apparently almost finished developing their own cruise missles. Unlike storm shadow and HIMARS it won't have restrictions of only being fired on Ukrainian land. Not sure how Russia will take Russian targets getting blown up, hundreds a month expected

I think the Ukrainians will at least have public relations in mind and only target legitimate military operations. They already can hit select targets in Russia with drones.

Maybe the news of Ukraine being able to hit anything and everything will be enough to stir up the Russian people to try and make a stand.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the Russians look like they're not planning on losing Mariupol anytime soon, not when they've been building housing anyway Ukraine war: The Russians hunting for cheap flats in occupied Mariupol - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-66393949)

[Ozyhibby]

the Russians look like they're not planning on losing Mariupol anytime soon, not when they've been building housing anyway Ukraine war: The Russians hunting for cheap flats in occupied Mariupol - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-66393949)

I’m sure there were plenty Germans living in Paris during WW2 as well. I wouldn’t want to be a Russian who moved to Mariupol when the Ukrainians take it back. It will be ugly.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1688055185464336384?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Hammer and Sickle gone.[emoji106]


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[Stairway 2 7]

I’m sure there were plenty Germans living in Paris during WW2 as well. I wouldn’t want to be a Russian who moved to Mariupol when the Ukrainians take it back. It will be ugly.


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If its anything like Kherson then no. They took it annexed it called it a part of Russia. Then in the days after Ukraine retook they bombed the civilian areas killing the people they called Russian days before. UN investigation says there was a policy of torture for the annexed people

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-kherson-torture-russia-war-crimes-b2386342.html

Inside Russia’s torture chambers as investigators warn Kherson cells ‘tip of iceberg’
Similarities in accounts from different Ukrainian regions ‘expose deeper concerns that Russia is using torture as a strategy’, UN special rapporteur tells The Independent

Andy Gregory
22 hours ago

[Stairway 2 7]

Phillips OBrien shares the institute for the study of war view that Ukrainians offensive hasn't started. They are still bombing defenses
https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1688068108261416960

[Renfrew_Hibby]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L2B1Aad9w-U&pp=ygUT0JzQsNGA0LjRg9C_0L7Qu9GMIA%3D%3D

This lassie regularly posts videos from Mariupol. Huge swathes of housing districts have been rebuilt or refurbished with Russians moving in from the 'mainland' at growing numbers. The disturbing thing is that the historic centre is being flattened and reorganised to reflect 'Russian values'.
Really don't know what happens yo a place like this should (hopefully) Ukraine win it back. What happens when thousands of Ukrainians want to return to a totally changed community, and I guess all the incomers from Russia would be on the move again.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L2B1Aad9w-U&pp=ygUT0JzQsNGA0LjRg9C_0L7Qu9GMIA%3D%3D

This lassie regularly posts videos from Mariupol. Huge swathes of housing districts have been rebuilt or refurbished with Russians moving in from the 'mainland' at growing numbers. The disturbing thing is that the historic centre is being flattened and reorganised to reflect 'Russian values'.
Really don't know what happens yo a place like this should (hopefully) Ukraine win it back. What happens when thousands of Ukrainians want to return to a totally changed community, and I guess all the incomers from Russia would be on the move again.

Kherson is much bigger so we know what the precedent is. When it's obvious it was going to be retaken. Russia got its own military and admin people out first. Then the Russians that moved in evacuated. After that Russia bombed the city like hell. Kherson is still regularly targeted, if we can't have it we will try and destroy it

www.politico.eu/article/kherson-ukraine-civilians-evacuate-russia-intensifies-bombings-strikes-shipyards/amp/

Unlike the paid actors or a few sheepish people in the streets when Russia takes over. The liberated towns and cities are packed with people happy to talk

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63696944.amp
We have no light, no water but we have freedom!

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.ft.com/content/744078f2-0895-44d9-96f9-701c13403df0?sharetype=blocked

Good article on Ukraines path into the EU. It will be difficult but they will get there.


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[Ozyhibby]

Ukraine have hit both bridges coming out of Crimea going into Kherson. [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1688185681795850241?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Glory Lurker]

If it was going well, we'd know, aye? I worry.

[greenlex]

If it was going well, we'd know, aye? I worry.
I’m praying they are having some sort of media black out pre offensive but agree it is concerning.

[Ozyhibby]

If it was going well, we'd know, aye? I worry.

I doubt you can tell much either way until one side breaks?


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[Stairway 2 7]

It's going to take many many months not days. They have moved about 10 miles in of the 90 to the coast.

If your wanting info though you'll not get it on bbc ect but just today Ukraine have taken back the village of Urozhaine, a Russian Su-30 fighter jet crashed in Russia, a few days ago Ukraine crossed the dnipr by boats and has just about now taken Kozachi Laheri

The main thrust at Robotyne Ukraine is throughthe first line of defence and entered the town. They are also going round it to the east. After Robotyne is the main line of defence

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1689910914856751104

[cabbageandribs1875]

presently other things to think about but after this war they're really going to have to cut down on the corruption in Ukraine, particularly the judiciary which was rife with it before all this started Zelenskyy dismisses regional heads of all recruiting offices for corruption and bribery (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/zelenskyy-dismisses-regional-heads-of-all-recruiting-offices-for-corruption-and-bribery/ar-AA1faCHJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=25eea58443984e1d8e502c20194bcef4&ei=78)

[Stairway 2 7]

presently other things to think about but after this war they're really going to have to cut down on the corruption in Ukraine, particularly the judiciary which was rife with it before all this started Zelenskyy dismisses regional heads of all recruiting offices for corruption and bribery (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/zelenskyy-dismisses-regional-heads-of-all-recruiting-offices-for-corruption-and-bribery/ar-AA1faCHJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=25eea58443984e1d8e502c20194bcef4&ei=78)

They are working towards every part of the requirements for EU entry, corruption, oligarchy, media ect. Will be a huge shift for an ex Soviet nation but the EU says they are making decent strides in every category. I'm not that concerned about that personally. For example Sadam was a ****bag but I didn't want his nation invaded and bombed

[Ozyhibby]

They are working towards every part of the requirements for EU entry, corruption, oligarchy, media ect. Will be a huge shift for an ex Soviet nation but the EU says they are making decent strides in every category. I'm not that concerned about that personally. For example Sadam was a ****bag but I didn't want his nation invaded and bombed

And in that respect the war will focus minds in Ukraine to make progress on this. They know EU membership is their best and most accessible protection.


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[Stairway 2 7]

And in that respect the war will focus minds in Ukraine to make progress on this. They know EU membership is their best and most accessible protection.


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I read they obviously failed on all 7 demands before the war. They have now passed two with two more just about complete. They have had major changes on the judiciary system and how media is funded.

Apparently Moldova are a little behind but also moving well towards change. Whilst the EU also says Georgia aren't doing enough, which is a shame for their people

[Jones28]

It's going to take many many months not days. They have moved about 10 miles in of the 90 to the coast.

If your wanting info though you'll not get it on bbc ect but just today Ukraine have taken back the village of Urozhaine, a Russian Su-30 fighter jet crashed in Russia, a few days ago Ukraine crossed the dnipr by boats and has just about now taken Kozachi Laheri

The main thrust at Robotyne Ukraine is throughthe first line of defence and entered the town. They are also going round it to the east. After Robotyne is the main line of defence

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1689910914856751104

Things are moving more slowly than anticipated but still moving. It all depends who you consult, some experts are predicting total doom and gloom, that Ukraine is losing too many people and resources. Others are much more optimistic.

Cutting the links to Crimea and the beachhead over the river are two big moves.

My main worry is Belarus allow Wagner to use their territory as a staging post for an attack on the northern part of Ukraine. These are very well defended but it would stretch resources probably about to their limit. At this point we have no option but to send in troops or tell Ukraine they’re on their own.

[Stairway 2 7]

Things are moving more slowly than anticipated but still moving. It all depends who you consult, some experts are predicting total doom and gloom, that Ukraine is losing too many people and resources. Others are much more optimistic.

Cutting the links to Crimea and the beachhead over the river are two big moves.

My main worry is Belarus allow Wagner to use their territory as a staging post for an attack on the northern part of Ukraine. These are very well defended but it would stretch resources probably about to their limit. At this point we have no option but to send in troops or tell Ukraine they’re on their own.

Disagree with the last paragraph. The roads from Belarus are completely mined and trenched now. Russia's full army with special forces in tact and air support could get Kyiv. They now have HIMARS and patriots in Kyiv. Wagner would get wiped out. They won't attack there, hence its only volunteers defending the North.

Most reports say they have now mostly all left Belarus as Ukraine didn't redeploy anyone north.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/wagner-belarus-russia-funding-dispute-where-next-1818888%3famp=1

[Ozyhibby]

https://cepa.org/article/natos-future-must-be-global/

The future for NATO?


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[Stairway 2 7]

The situation on the second of two thrusts by Ukraine. After taking Urozhaine they will be going for Staromlynivka. The main line of defence is there. Will be hard to pass but the worst will be behind them if they do all the way to the coast

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1690722401162567680

[Ozyhibby]

https://newsgeek24.com/russian-ruble-lowest-level-ukraine-war/?feed_id=26437&_unique_id=64da23393ab87
Ruble collapsing still.


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[Bridge hibs]

Two Russian reconnaissance submarine spotting jets escorted out of Nato airspace above the Shetland Isles by jets from RAF Lossiemouth

According to STV Scotland Today news

[Ozyhibby]

Two Russian reconnaissance submarine spotting jets escorted out of Nato airspace above the Shetland Isles by jets from RAF Lossiemouth

According to STV Scotland Today news

Safer flying there than over Ukraine.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1691041298428395520?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[cabbageandribs1875]

i was reading the other day the Chinese defence minister is presently visiting Russia and Belarus, aww how sweet is that

[cabbageandribs1875]

seven killed in Russian strike including a little six year old kid :( murderous swines Chernihiv: Russian missile strike kills seven and injures 129, Ukraine says - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66554412)

[speedy_gonzales]

It's not just windows enemies of the Russian state fall out of, it's the sky too apparently 🤔

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-66599774

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/kyivpost/status/1694430138304270450?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Regardless of everything else, the world is better off without these two.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

oh my Putin mouthpiece fears rise of Ukraine's 'gay super soldiers' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-mouthpiece-fears-rise-of-ukraine-s-gay-super-soldiers/ar-AA1fFcNK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=246a0f5291fd4fb688b1bba6eb0c23fb&ei=34)

[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/kyivpost/status/1694430138304270450?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Regardless of everything else, the world is better off without these two.


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Utkin is ****, you can see his SS tattoos in that pick. It was him that chose the wagner name as it was Hitlers favourite composer. He then lost 100k men this year in Ukraine, fighting Ukrainian Nazism or something or other.

Surprising way to do it if air defenses were used, I suppose Putin can say to the brainwashed it was an accident. They did the same when they murdered 300 people on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

[Ozyhibby]

Utkin is ****, you can see his SS tattoos in that pick. It was him that chose the wagner name as it was Hitlers favourite composer. He then lost 100k men this year in Ukraine, fighting Ukrainian Nazism or something or other.

Surprising way to do it if air defenses were used, I suppose Putin can say to the brainwashed it was an accident. They did the same when they murdered 300 people on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

You don’t really need to explain to the Russian population anyway. It’s pretty docile.


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[Stairway 2 7]

I'd add to this list the fact that Robotyne has been confirmed as recaptured.

The Russian pilot defection is funny in its reporting. Russia says the copter got lost accidentally landed in a Ukrainian airbase it saw, they then realise it was Ukrainian so tried to escape, 2 were killed one captured.

Ukraine says it has evidence it was planned with the pilot for months and confirms two dead of the 3. Ukr seems more believable as with modern technology they wouldn't just confuse airfields.

JimmySecUK
Just today:

• Prigozhin and Utkin killed by their own side.
• Ukraine blew up an S-400 battery in Crimea.
• A Russian pilot and his Mi-8AMTSh is confirmed to have defected to Ukraine.
• At least one Ukrainian drone struck central Moscow.

Not a bad day for Ukraine

[KdyHby]

Reports of Ukrainian forces landing in Crimea

[Ryan91]

It's not just windows enemies of the Russian state fall out of, it's the sky too apparently 🤔

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-66599774

Was reading earlier that a US National Security Spokesperson was saying that the death of Prigozhin was "unsurprising"

Even the US believed he was running on borrowed time

[Stairway 2 7]

Reports of Ukrainian forces landing in Crimea

Looks like a quick special forces raid. Blew up some targets put up a Ukrainian flag and then left. It's right beside where they blew up some of Russia's best air defenses.

[Stairway 2 7]

73 f16 jets so far confirmed for Ukraine, 19 from Denmark, 12 from Norway, 42 from Netherlands. Won't come until next year almost 2 years too late but still great news

[Keith_M]

oh my Putin mouthpiece fears rise of Ukraine's 'gay super soldiers' (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-mouthpiece-fears-rise-of-ukraine-s-gay-super-soldiers/ar-AA1fFcNK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=246a0f5291fd4fb688b1bba6eb0c23fb&ei=34)


"...He is convinced that through "neuro-linguistic programmes" and other brainwashing techniques, the Ukrainian soldiers will be turned gay against their will and sent off to fight harder against Russia."


An unintended euphemism?

:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/ukikaski/status/1694845226181972379?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Last couple of days there has been a lot of chat that the Ukrainians have made big breakthroughs towards Tokmak. Will be huge if true.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Another good article from SNPs Stuart Mcdonald

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/stewart-mcdonald-every-day-and-every-delay-in-support-by-west-matters-to-ukraine-4268605

[Stairway 2 7]

Institute for the study of war estimates Ukraine have reached the main line of Russian defence. Won't be easy but they will now be facing the hardest part of their offensive. Also read Russia has brought in the best of their remaining vdv reserves to try and hold the line

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1695586517312250001

[Stairway 2 7]

Good article about Russia funneling propaganda through useful idiot westerner. Reminds me of a quote from an article below that I liked

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/25/politics/us-intel-russia-propaganda/index.html

A few headlines in the Western press...

Fox News: There is no Ukrainian offensive, and the Russian one is about to begin

The Times: By the end of the year, Britain will run out of weapons for Ukraine

CNN: Biden administration not ready to ramp up arms shipments to Ukraine

Evening Standard: Kyiv will not be able to recover from the unsuccessful counteroffensive on Kherson

The Washington Post: There are no signs of a Ukrainian offensive on the Kherson front

The Economist: Cool down in Kherson! Why the Ukrainian army should not rush to recapture the entire province

Eye-catching headlines, aren't they?

Do you know what is the most interesting? This is a selection of just some of the Western press headlines for August-September 2022. What happened after, I think everyone remembers very well.

- Alexander Kovalenko

[Hibrandenburg]

Reports that Ukrainian forces have breached Russian lines. Hopefully they will be able to capitalise on that and get high numbers in behind enemy lines causing them to collapse before the Russians can counter the breach.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/threshedthought/status/1696092944472670680?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Good update from Mike Martin.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Rare good article from the wall street journal detailing the last days of Prigozhin

https://archive.ph/2D61O

[BS44]

BBC News - 'Dying by the dozens every day' - Ukraine losses climb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581217

[grunt]

You don’t really need to explain to the Russian population anyway. It’s pretty docile.
As docile as ours? Our country is being ripped off by our own Government and no one seems to be bothered.

[Ozyhibby]

As docile as ours? Our country is being ripped off by our own Government and no one seems to be bothered.

Fair point.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Quite the night in Russia. Ukrainian drone attacks on 7 different towns that I've seen so far. By far the biggest series of attacks. Crimea attacked as usual, Moscow, the factory in Bryansk where iksander missles are made. By far the most interesting thought an attack on an airfield in Pskov. Pskov is 600km away from Ukraine did they fly all the way there through Russia/Belarus unharmed, Russian bloggers are suspecting they were launched from Estonia. Russian bloggers again reporting 4 IL-76 planes destroyed, one Tu-22 strategic bomber, air force barracks and fuel storage facilities.

The fuel storage has defo been hit from videos released and here's a vid of 2 burning il-76s
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1696671649762812100

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[Stairway 2 7]

9 years ago the Ilovaisk massacre in Ukraine. Ukrainians were surrounded in the town of Ilovaisk they got a message from Russian commandthat if the retreated they could live. As they left almost 400 men were slaughtered in the green corridor.

Russia says they weren't to blame as it wasn't the Russian army it was the Donetsk army, even though a Russian tank was captured.

Russia put up the front for 7 years that they weren't fighting in Ukraine it was separatists, they would never fight in Ukraine. It got them out of many massacres like this and the murder of 400 people on the Malaysian Airlines flight.

As Prigozhins 2 months peace pact shows, you can't deal with Russia and expect them to honour it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49426724

[Ozyhibby]

Lots of chat that Ukraine have broke through second line of defence. Last line is said to be weakest so could be very significant. Huge progress last three weeks.


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[BS44]

Lots of chat that Ukraine have broke through second line of defence. Last line is said to be weakest so could be very significant. Huge progress last three weeks.


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Hopefully this news is true, because if they don't get through before winter sets in then I doubt they'll ever breakthrough

[Stairway 2 7]

Hopefully this news is true, because if they don't get through before winter sets in then I doubt they'll ever breakthrough

Nah US Abrahams aren't here yet, 100 f16s in spring and, 100 leopard 1s to come, Ukraine made cruise missles in winter, Germany about to announce cruise missles.

I think they will keep punching on but they will spend the autumn and winter degrading Russian military. The war is going to go into Russia with Ukraine mass producing drones and missles. Russia is getting weaker month on month and Ukraine the opposite.

Nato could have given Ukraine the equipment to defeat Russia last year, instead they are slowly drip feeding. I reckon they think if Russia was pushed out quick they could blame nato domestically. They would still also have their massive military stocks. I think they are using Ukraine to slowly destroy what Russia took 50 years to build, so they can't strike again in generations

[Stairway 2 7]

Ukraine become what must be the only nation to have a Jewish PM and a Muslim defence minister? Rustem oğlu Umerov a Crimean Tatar takes over.
Post war the Soviets committed genocide and deported the majority of the Crimean Tatars to Uzbekistan in box cars. That's where Umerov was born

Russia is one of the few nations that refuse to accept the Tatars as Crimeas titular people. I'm sure Umerov will be wanting to free both Crimea and his people.
It will be interesting to see Turkeys relationship with Umerov. They have worked together in the past, like building homes for displaced Tartars after Russias recent invasion of Crimea

[147lothian]

BBC News - 'Dying by the dozens every day' - Ukraine losses climb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581217 (http://BBC News - 'Dying by the dozens every day' - Ukraine losses climb<br />https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581217)

An interesting read, the truth is starting to come out, three months into the Ukrainian offensive, and Ukrainian forces are being annihilated any time they get anywhere near the Russian first line of defense.

This is a conflict Ukraine has no chance of winning no matter what is sent, in short Russia can produce more ammunition faster than the West can send it, so in a war of attrition there is only one winning. the time has come to send diplomats not more weapons.

[Hibs4185]

An interesting read, the truth is starting to come out, three months into the Ukrainian offensive, and Ukrainian forces are being annihilated any time they get anywhere near the Russian first line of defense.

This is a conflict Ukraine has no chance of winning no matter what is sent, in short Russia can produce more ammunition faster than the West can send it, so in a war of attrition there is only one winning. the time has come to send diplomats not more weapons.

Russia can produce more than America, Europe, Japan , Germany etc?

Russian ability to produce modern weapons is also restricted.

Yes Ukrainians are dying but if you read or listen to any of their citizens they don’t want to concede anything to the Russians.

The only way the war ends is in a Ukrainian victory or Putin withdrawing which is very unlikely.

It amazes me the amount of people who seem to pander to the great Russian might. They are a joke and Ukraine have destroyed the majority of their military and shown the world that their super duper missiles etc are a load of garbage

[Stairway 2 7]

An interesting read, the truth is starting to come out, three months into the Ukrainian offensive, and Ukrainian forces are being annihilated any time they get anywhere near the Russian first line of defense.

This is a conflict Ukraine has no chance of winning no matter what is sent, in short Russia can produce more ammunition faster than the West can send it, so in a war of attrition there is only one winning. the time has come to send diplomats not more weapons.

Did you read that on RT.

In the world outside articles with information from a week ago. Geolocation has Ukrainian troops past all three layers of the Surovkin line
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1698979487424159958

Russian propagandists can't compete with firms data. Firms data is satellite imagery from nasa that pin points the heat from each artillery hit. We know that Russian artillery fire is around 50% of what it was per month at the start of the war. It also shows Ukraine was firing around 70% more artillery rounds than Russia in the south last month.

The send in the diplomats only helps Russia as that means stop fighting, rebuild defences. Tankies were saying the same 1 year ago, send in the diplomats. If they had done it then Kharkiv would be Russian but also Kherson the biggest city Russia captured would be Russian. I'm sure you agree in hindsight it was correct to help Ukrainian recapture its biggest city lost?

I'd recommend following defmon for up to date satellite positions of the troops, its dry and map based but updated each day and cautious
https://twitter.com/DefMon3

[Kato]

An interesting read, the truth is starting to come out, three months into the Ukrainian offensive, and Ukrainian forces are being annihilated any time they get anywhere near the Russian first line of defense.

This is a conflict Ukraine has no chance of winning no matter what is sent, in short Russia can produce more ammunition faster than the West can send it, so in a war of attrition there is only one winning. the time has come to send diplomats not more weapons.Have you got details on that?

Which diplomats should arbitrate on this?

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[Ozyhibby]

An interesting read, the truth is starting to come out, three months into the Ukrainian offensive, and Ukrainian forces are being annihilated any time they get anywhere near the Russian first line of defense.

This is a conflict Ukraine has no chance of winning no matter what is sent, in short Russia can produce more ammunition faster than the West can send it, so in a war of attrition there is only one winning. the time has come to send diplomats not more weapons.

[emoji102]
Honestly the worst take I’ve seen on here of what’s going on.
Ukraine is likely to break through completely in the next month or so.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

hope they catch the wee sh*%$s Edinburgh: Ukrainian teenager stabbed in ‘racially aggravated’ attack | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23769036.edinburgh-ukrainian-teenager-stabbed-racially-aggravated-attack/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=8c7cbcbaa1741d7cbc339fe13eff0274&date=050923)

A 13-YEAR-OLD Ukrainian boy was stabbed and two other Ukrainian teenagers injured in a racially aggravated attack.
The Ukrainians, two boys aged 13 and one aged 15, were walking towards a bus stop in Niddrie Mains Road, Edinburgh, when a group of eight young people approached them at about 8.30pm on Sunday.
Two youths from the group assaulted one of the 13-year-old boys, leaving him with a laceration to his ear, and other members of the group then attacked the other two Ukrainians.
The 15-year-old was punched, and the 13-year-old was stabbed.

[cabbageandribs1875]

[emoji102]
Honestly the worst take I’ve seen on here of what’s going on.
Ukraine is likely to break through completely in the next month or so.


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i do seriously hope i am so wrong but they're not getting Crimea back

[Ozyhibby]

i do seriously hope i am so wrong but they're not getting Crimea back

Based on what? Normally when an army collapses it’s total? What do you think is different this time?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1699027967395967072?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Fuel inflation in Russia.


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[Jones28]

An interesting read, the truth is starting to come out, three months into the Ukrainian offensive, and Ukrainian forces are being annihilated any time they get anywhere near the Russian first line of defense.

This is a conflict Ukraine has no chance of winning no matter what is sent, in short Russia can produce more ammunition faster than the West can send it, so in a war of attrition there is only one winning. the time has come to send diplomats not more weapons.

I’ve read more accurate takes from Russian bots.

What a lot of absolute ****. I suggest you start following people who actually know what’s happening.

You got any sources for any of your claims? Russia producing ammo quicker than it can be sent is mind blowing, you must have some source for it?

[Jones28]

i do seriously hope i am so wrong but they're not getting Crimea back

I genuinely think you’re wrong on that front. Ukraine is developing 1500-2000km missiles that will be able to hit any Russian held parts of Ukraine at the touch of a button. Once it cuts off the bridge routes to Russia the troops and Russians in Crimea will effectively be under siege.

[StevieC]

i do seriously hope i am so wrong but they're not getting Crimea back

What's going to stop them?

Once the Kerch Bridge is in range of accurate missile attacks (better than the drone attacks that have disrupted it so far) it will be taken out. That'll happen before they even get to Crimea in order to prevent the supply of troops in the Kherson region. If it gets to the point that the Russians are struggling to supply troops in Kherson how would they prevent Ukrainian troops from then entering Crimea?

[Stairway 2 7]

Great read on the battle of Hostomel

https://warontherocks.com/2023/08/the-battle-of-hostomel-airport-a-key-moment-in-russias-defeat-in-kyiv/

THE BATTLE OF HOSTOMEL AIRPORT: A KEY MOMENT IN RUSSIA’S DEFEAT IN KYIV

[cabbageandribs1875]

at least 17 killed at Ukrainian market, inc a child Ukraine war: 17 killed during attack on market in 'peaceful city' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66731927)

[cabbageandribs1875]

Based on what? Normally when an army collapses it’s total? What do you think is different this time?


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just a hunch, like others have a hunch Ukraine will get Crimea back, Crimea is Putins little baby, the beginning of the 'taking back' what he and millions of other Russians believe belong to them, if Ukrainian soldiers get anywhere near taking Crimea Putin would pull every Russian out and then flatten the whole place, maybe it would become a DMZ zone :dunno: Ukraine wouldn't attack Russia and in turn Putin/Russia wouldn't accept Ukraine rebuilding


I genuinely think you’re wrong on that front. Ukraine is developing 1500-2000km missiles that will be able to hit any Russian held parts of Ukraine at the touch of a button. Once it cuts off the bridge routes to Russia the troops and Russians in Crimea will effectively be under siege.


and i genuinely hope you and others are right :agree:


What's going to stop them? SEE ABOVE Stevie :greengrin

Once the Kerch Bridge is in range of accurate missile attacks (better than the drone attacks that have disrupted it so far) it will be taken out. That'll happen before they even get to Crimea in order to prevent the supply of troops in the Kherson region. If it gets to the point that the Russians are struggling to supply troops in Kherson how would they prevent Ukrainian troops from then entering Crimea?

[Stairway 2 7]

Crimea will be easier to take than the Donbas. War is one on logistics. If Ukraine cut the land bridge and the Kerch bridge then there is simply no way to supply the troops in Crimea. Donbas can be supplied over the border.

[cabbageandribs1875]

lets hope the Slovakian Elections at the end of this month doesn't elect former PM Robert Fico who has promised a policy u-turn

Russia-Ukraine war – news: Putin trying to lure Cuban fighters into army with contracts worth thousands | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-british-challenger-2-b2405581.html)


if true about the Cubans Putin may just be getting a tad desperate, i think Putin getting just too desperate could be a real bad thing

[Hibrandenburg]

lets hope the Slovakian Elections at the end of this month doesn't elect former PM Robert Fico who has promised a policy u-turn

Russia-Ukraine war – news: Putin trying to lure Cuban fighters into army with contracts worth thousands | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-british-challenger-2-b2405581.html)


if true about the Cubans Putin may just be getting a tad desperate, i think Putin getting just too desperate could be a real bad thing

It all smells like the end of the Third Reich when the SS divisions started bolstering their ranks with recruits from around the world including Muslims.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It all smells like the end of the Third Reich when the SS divisions started bolstering their ranks with recruits from around the world including Muslims.

oddly i was just thinking earlier about that Chechen dude Ramzan Kadyrov, he was very vociferous earlier in this conflict but i haven't heard/read anything from him, until googling this morning and i can see he was paying tribute to Prigozhin and his death was a great loss From one warlord to another: Kadyrov pays tribute to dead Wagner chief – POLITICO (https://www.politico.eu/article/ramzan-kadyrov-yevgeny-prigozhin-wagner-dead-russia-chechen-warlord-telegram/)



it all looks seriously mixed up with the other Chechen dude in exile calling early doors for making this conflict Jihad


Chechen, Tatar Muslims fight for Ukraine – DW – 03/24/2022 (https://www.dw.com/en/chechen-and-tatar-muslims-take-up-arms-to-fight-for-ukraine/a-61174375)

[Ozyhibby]

just a hunch, like others have a hunch Ukraine will get Crimea back, Crimea is Putins little baby, the beginning of the 'taking back' what he and millions of other Russians believe belong to them, if Ukrainian soldiers get anywhere near taking Crimea Putin would pull every Russian out and then flatten the whole place, maybe it would become a DMZ zone :dunno: Ukraine wouldn't attack Russia and in turn Putin/Russia wouldn't accept Ukraine rebuilding




and i genuinely hope you and others are right :agree:

He can’t go nuclear and he isn’t holding anything back at the moment? I think you are over estimating Russia’s ability to sustain what they are doing now.


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[Bridge hibs]

He can’t go nuclear and he isn’t holding anything back at the moment? I think you are over estimating Russia’s ability to sustain what they are doing now.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI know folk have said he wont go nuclear “on this thread” and I know it was said he hasnt up till now. He (Putin) knows he wont get Ukraine so why is he continuing his killing of Ukranian civilian's if even he knows he has lost it ?

Its not to save face as he has lost that already, he has a stockpile of deadly weapons of his choice, is it just a matter of time before he makes that choice, like a cornered rat

He does seem untouchable

[Ozyhibby]

I know folk have said he wont go nuclear “on this thread” and I know it was said he hasnt up till now. He (Putin) knows he wont get Ukraine so why is he continuing his killing of Ukranian civilian's if even he knows he has lost it ?

Its not to save face as he has lost that already, he has a stockpile of deadly weapons of his choice, is it just a matter of time before he makes that choice, like a cornered rat

He does seem untouchable

All dictators are untouchable right up till the day they are not. They rarely die peacefully in their sleep.
I think at some point the Russian army will as they struggle to stay supplied. And Putin’s ‘will’ wont make a blind bit of difference to that.


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[Bridge hibs]

All dictators are untouchable right up till the day they are not. They rarely die peacefully in their sleep.
I think at some point the Russian army will as they struggle to stay supplied. And Putin’s ‘will’ wont make a blind bit of difference to that.


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Are the Russian people oblivious to whats happening ? I know the propaganda **** but surely they can see whats happening in front of their own eyes.

World leaders must surely be trying to end this, genocide on its own doorstep but its being allowed to happen with Putin in its forefront, we are in a modern world, is there any signs of peace ?

[Kato]

Are the Russian people oblivious to whats happening ? I know the propaganda **** but surely they can see whats happening in front of their own eyes.

World leaders must surely be trying to end this, genocide on its own doorstep but its being allowed to happen with Putin in its forefront, we are in a modern world, is there any signs of peace ?If you run all the newspapers and all the TV stations it's pretty easy to get people to believe anything.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

another $1bn in aid from the Americans US announces $1bn in new aid for Ukraine (banglanews24.com) (https://www.banglanews24.com/english/international/news/bd/125917.details#:~:text=US%20Secretary%20of%20State %20Antony%20Blinken%20has%20announced,against%20th e%20Russian%20forces%20in%20the%20country%E2%80%99 s%20southeast.)


this time including depleted uranium munitions https://www.reuters.com/world/us-send-its-first-depleted-uranium-rounds-ukraine-sources-2023-09-01/

[superfurryhibby]

If you run all the newspapers and all the TV stations it's pretty easy to get people to believe anything.

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If you reinforce that by inflicting terror on any opposition, then you tend to have an outwardly passive population.

[cabbageandribs1875]

hope they catch the wee sh*%$s Edinburgh: Ukrainian teenager stabbed in ‘racially aggravated’ attack | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23769036.edinburgh-ukrainian-teenager-stabbed-racially-aggravated-attack/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=8c7cbcbaa1741d7cbc339fe13eff0274&date=050923)

A 13-YEAR-OLD Ukrainian boy was stabbed and two other Ukrainian teenagers injured in a racially aggravated attack.
The Ukrainians, two boys aged 13 and one aged 15, were walking towards a bus stop in Niddrie Mains Road, Edinburgh, when a group of eight young people approached them at about 8.30pm on Sunday.
Two youths from the group assaulted one of the 13-year-old boys, leaving him with a laceration to his ear, and other members of the group then attacked the other two Ukrainians.
The 15-year-old was punched, and the 13-year-old was stabbed.




little update, two of the kids are orphans with Dnipro kids brought to Edinburgh for safety Edinburgh crime news: Ukrainian teenagers attacked in NIddrie Mains Road are orphans with Dnipro Kids (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/edinburgh-crime-news-ukrainian-teenagers-attacked-in-niddrie-mains-road-are-orphans-with-dnipro-kids/ar-AA1gnhaT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8c9f3c238f244eb59ffff9ad524c32e6&ei=8)

[Hibrandenburg]

little update, two of the kids are orphans with Dnipro kids brought to Edinburgh for safety Edinburgh crime news: Ukrainian teenagers attacked in NIddrie Mains Road are orphans with Dnipro Kids (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/edinburgh-crime-news-ukrainian-teenagers-attacked-in-niddrie-mains-road-are-orphans-with-dnipro-kids/ar-AA1gnhaT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8c9f3c238f244eb59ffff9ad524c32e6&ei=8)

Odious.

[Hibs4185]

little update, two of the kids are orphans with Dnipro kids brought to Edinburgh for safety Edinburgh crime news: Ukrainian teenagers attacked in NIddrie Mains Road are orphans with Dnipro Kids (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/edinburgh-crime-news-ukrainian-teenagers-attacked-in-niddrie-mains-road-are-orphans-with-dnipro-kids/ar-AA1gnhaT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8c9f3c238f244eb59ffff9ad524c32e6&ei=8)

So not connected to this incident but my wife is a teacher and one of her Friends works at Leith Academy. There is one kid who is well known and is a wee *unt. He started to pick on one of the Ukrainian kids and before you knew it, it’s Ukrainian kids v Leith kids.

It’s seemingly been very nasty with Ukrainian family’s keeping their kids off school. Theres been weapons and everything.

Sickening to be honest especially given it’s just one well known kids causing the issues

[Northernhibee]

So not connected to this incident but my wife is a teacher and one of her Friends works at Leith Academy. There is one kid who is well known and is a wee *unt. He started to pick on one of the Ukrainian kids and before you knew it, it’s Ukrainian kids v Leith kids.

It’s seemingly been very nasty with Ukrainian family’s keeping their kids off school. Theres been weapons and everything.

Sickening to be honest especially given it’s just one well known kids causing the issues
Utterly hideous.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1699741237337641430?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Jack]

So not connected to this incident but my wife is a teacher and one of her Friends works at Leith Academy. There is one kid who is well known and is a wee *unt. He started to pick on one of the Ukrainian kids and before you knew it, it’s Ukrainian kids v Leith kids.

It’s seemingly been very nasty with Ukrainian family’s keeping their kids off school. Theres been weapons and everything.

Sickening to be honest especially given it’s just one well known kids causing the issues

There's been a few incidents (bus window put in, shop ransacked and others) involving one particular group of nasty wee scroats from Leith Academy recently. I wonder if it's the same group or has all of Leithy gone feral?

[Jones28]

So not connected to this incident but my wife is a teacher and one of her Friends works at Leith Academy. There is one kid who is well known and is a wee *unt. He started to pick on one of the Ukrainian kids and before you knew it, it’s Ukrainian kids v Leith kids.

It’s seemingly been very nasty with Ukrainian family’s keeping their kids off school. Theres been weapons and everything.

Sickening to be honest especially given it’s just one well known kids causing the issues

Whats wrong with some people?

[Hibs4185]

There's been a few incidents (bus window put in, shop ransacked and others) involving one particular group of nasty wee scroats from Leith Academy recently. I wonder if it's the same group or has all of Leithy gone feral?


From what I know, it’s literally one boy who is the next Denim McLeod. Well known family and trying to live up to his reputation. All the kids are falling in behind him to try and be ‘cool’.

I’ve heard of a shop being ransacked but the Ukrainian one is just sickening.

[Bridge hibs]

I see Putin has met his psycho pal Kim Jong Un in North Korea to ask for more weapons for his war in Ukraine in exchange for food and nuclear weapon programme support, wee fatty will surely be kissing his arse

[Stairway 2 7]

I see Putin has met his psycho pal Kim Jong Un in North Korea to ask for more weapons for his war in Ukraine in exchange for food and nuclear weapon programme support, wee fatty will surely be kissing his arse

South Korea has retaliated and announced a 2.3 billion military package. Russia will hope S Korea don't decide on expanding military contracts with Ukraine. South Korea are a major player in arms manufacture now, they can produce more shells in a month than N Korea can in a year I read.

[Stairway 2 7]

Big attacks on crimea happening just now. Ukraine have hit a Russian submarine and a landing ship

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1701788035719868874

[Bridge hibs]

South Korea has retaliated and announced a 2.3 billion military package. Russia will hope S Korea don't decide on expanding military contracts with Ukraine. South Korea are a major player in arms manufacture now, they can produce more shells in a month than N Korea can in a year I read.Wow, I never knew South Korea carried so much might, I always thought they were the poor relations to North Korea

[Stairway 2 7]

Wow, I never knew South Korea carried so much might, I always thought they were the poor relations to North Korea

South Korea is a very rich nation now, 11th largest economy in the world and g20 nation. Its a military powerhouse also. Poland has just agreed a multi billion contract to buy tanks and artillery from S Korea.

North Koreas populous has some extreme poverty and the nation is somewhat propped up by China

[Jack]

I suspect the worry is that North Korea becomes a conduit for Chinese weapons to Russia.

[Jones28]

I see Putin has met his psycho pal Kim Jong Un in North Korea to ask for more weapons for his war in Ukraine in exchange for food and nuclear weapon programme support, wee fatty will surely be kissing his arse

North Korea have minimal offerings.

They have 1000 tanks that are 50 or more years old - the Leopards and Challengers will annihilate them.

[Bridge hibs]

I suspect the worry is that North Korea becomes a conduit for Chinese weapons to Russia.

I though the Chinese leader refused them weapons in a previous meet, although I could have mis read that

[Ozyhibby]

North Korea have minimal offerings.

They have 1000 tanks that are 50 or more years old - the Leopards and Challengers will annihilate them.

Best thing South Korea could do was start a small military exercise and North Korea will not send a single bullet.


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[Stairway 2 7]

I suspect the worry is that North Korea becomes a conduit for Chinese weapons to Russia.

I don't think so everything is tracked nowadays. China is supplying lots but within limits. They are supplying non lethal drones and chips for example. They won't send military goods as they don't want what's happening to the Russian economy to happen to them. They have repeatedly said this and won't risk it, their economy is in too much of a precarious position.

Russia will be wanting North Koreas means of production. Some climb down from Russia but needs must

[Stairway 2 7]

From satellite pic the Russian ship and submarine are destroyed. That's 6 Russian black sea fleet destroyed including the flag ship, some effort seeing Ukraine doesn't have a navy

https://twitter.com/SmartUACat/status/1702006130711384064

[Ozyhibby]

From satellite pic the Russian ship and submarine are destroyed. That's 6 Russian black sea fleet destroyed including the flag ship, some effort seeing Ukraine doesn't have a navy

https://twitter.com/SmartUACat/status/1702006130711384064

And first Russian sub sank since WWII apart from their own mishaps.


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[Stairway 2 7]

And first Russian sub sank since WWII apart from their own mishaps.


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Uk will make back the money in sending storm shadows from the sales it gets. US is getting a similar boost from the HIMARS it sent to Ukraine, Poland just ordered 500 HIMARS. These sales and jobs created don't get counted when people complain about the price of military aid sent

[StevieC]

And first Russian sub sank since WWII

Not sure if it is possible to sink something that’s in a dry dock 😉

[Lendo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66798508

Absolutely crazy how close we came to war with Russia last year. I'm sure there's probably several more incidents like this that go unreported or covered up. Feels inevitable that some communication breakdown or misunderstanding is going to led to NATO deaths at some point.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66798508

Absolutely crazy how close we came to war with Russia last year. I'm sure there's probably several more incidents like this that go unreported or covered up. Feels inevitable that some communication breakdown or misunderstanding is going to led to NATO deaths at some point.

Wouldn't have been war. Russia isn't daft they would have probably correctly blamed the pilot that made the mistake. Nato doesn't want involved directly and Russia obviously doesn't want nato involved as its army would last a few hours. I agree there will be more incidents in the fog of war, but it won't escalate imo

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1702717155521831010?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Shame.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/anno1540/status/1702950887671341089?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

[emoji1696]


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[tamig]

https://x.com/anno1540/status/1702950887671341089?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

[emoji1696]


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Is this clickbait or reputable?

[Ozyhibby]

Is this clickbait or reputable?

I think that what reported is happening but it’s not a coup. It’s two armed gangs fighting over the spoils while Putin is distracted. There will be a lot more of this as power drains from Putin.


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[Kato]

I think that what reported is happening but it’s not a coup. It’s two armed gangs fighting over the spoils while Putin is distracted. There will be a lot more of this as power drains from Putin.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPretty much what happened in the 90s - gangsters manoeuvring for assets. They'll have British passports soon.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Pretty much what happened in the 90s - gangsters manoeuvring for assets. They'll have British passports soon.

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then if they donate to a certain political party, House of Lords

[Kato]

then if they donate to a certain political party, House of LordsHuzzah!

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[cabbageandribs1875]

bad timing by Ukraine https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-will-sue-poland-hungary-and-slovakia-over-agricultural-bans/


especially in the lead up to Slovakian elections, this may just cost the present Slovakian Government a few votes https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/slovakias-trust-democracy-fades-election-frontrunner-campaigns-aid-103271145

tho i'm baffled why his 'left wing' party favours a Russian Dictator

[Stairway 2 7]

bad timing by Ukraine https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-will-sue-poland-hungary-and-slovakia-over-agricultural-bans/


especially in the lead up to Slovakian elections, this may just cost the present Slovakian Government a few votes https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/slovakias-trust-democracy-fades-election-frontrunner-campaigns-aid-103271145

tho i'm baffled why his 'left wing' party favours a Russian Dictator

Look at the German parliament. The only votes against helping Ukraine come from the far left Link and AFD far right. Think it's some bizarre thing where some still see fascist Russia as left wing comrades

[cabbageandribs1875]

Look at the German parliament. The only votes against helping Ukraine come from the far left Link and AFD far right. Think it's some bizarre thing where some still see fascist Russia as left wing comrades


it IS rather confuddling :hmmm:

meanwhile, eight Russian peace keeping soldiers killed in an Azerbaijani attack on a Russian vehicle Visegrád 24 on X: "BREAKING: Russia’s Defense Ministry announces that 8 Russian “peace keeping soldiers” have been killed in an Azerbaijani attack on a Russian vehicle in Nagorno-Karabakh 🇦🇿🇺🇦 https://t.co/wpiMGkCCDz" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1704552634932216280)

[cabbageandribs1875]

said so... bad timing Ukraine :agree: Poland to stop supplying weapons to Ukraine over grain row - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66873495)

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/gloooud/status/1704607390681666044?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A
Not much time left now this year but some reports today that Ukraine has broken through Russian lines with heavy armour. Mud coming soon though.


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[Ozyhibby]

said so... bad timing Ukraine :agree: Poland to stop supplying weapons to Ukraine over grain row - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66873495)

Turned out not to be true.


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[StevieC]

said so... bad timing Ukraine :agree: Poland to stop supplying weapons to Ukraine over grain row - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66873495)

Very misleading. The headline isn’t actually true once you read into the article. Poland continues to support Ukraine militarily, with training hubs etc, but because they’ve already given them pretty much everything they can they are now having to rebuild their own military defences, and are spending large sums in order to do this.

[BS44]

Russian naval HQ in Crimea struck by missle. Hopefully if any allies are showing signs of war fatigue then attacks like this encourages them to continue supporting Ukraine.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/jenniferjjacobs/status/1705254548682559691?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Very good news.[emoji106]


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[greenlex]

https://x.com/jenniferjjacobs/status/1705254548682559691?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Very good news.[emoji106]


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Don’t need to have a huge breakthrough before the weather sets in. Just need to be in a position to be able to cover supply routes from crimea with artillery. These missiles will help . The drip strangulation if Russia and its forces will continue.

[Stairway 2 7]

Pretty crazy to see slowed down, cruise missles flying into the headquarters of the Russian blacksea fleet.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1705310856093856160

[cabbageandribs1875]

well that was embarrassing Trudeau calls praise for Nazi-linked veteran 'deeply embarrassing' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66919862)


An invitation to parliament for a Ukrainian man who fought for a Nazi unit in World War Two is "deeply embarrassing" to Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says.

Yaroslav Hunka, 98, got a standing ovation after House of Commons Speaker Anthony Rota called him a "hero" during a Friday visit by Ukraine's president.


Mr Rota has said he did not know of Mr Hunka's Nazi ties and made a mistake in inviting him to attend the event.


He faces calls to resign.


On Monday, Mr Trudeau told reporters it was "extremely upsetting that this happened".


"This is something that is deeply embarrassing to the parliament of Canada and by extension to all Canadians."



Resigned today

[Jones28]

Pretty crazy to see slowed down, cruise missles flying into the headquarters of the Russian blacksea fleet.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1705310856093856160

Nailed the Russian's Black Sea Fleet commander in the process.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-export-duties/update-1-russia-introduces-new-exchange-rate-linked-export-duty-from-oct-1-idUKL1N3AX212


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Slovakia elections, not great for Ukraine or the EU Slovakia's poll winner defies European consensus on Ukraine (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/slovakia-s-poll-winner-defies-european-consensus-on-ukraine/ar-AA1hwCxa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0d1c96720fdc459e869c7a0f5d65e1ad&ei=15)

[cabbageandribs1875]

at least 51 dead after Russian strike on a village Cafe and Grocery Russia-Ukraine war live: at least 51 people killed in Russian strike on village food shop, Zelenskiy says (theguardian.com) (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/05/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-uk-russia-mining-black-sea)

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/ukraine-crimea-russia-annexation-occupied-jet-skis-operation/


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/jackfought_1/status/1712949345069486420?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Ukraine now firing more artillery a day.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/natashabertrand/status/1714279142517325953?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Ukraine received ATACMS and already begun using them.[emoji106]


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[Jones28]

Ukraine have a foothold on the left bank of the Dnipro river.

[Keith_M]

Ukraine have a foothold on the left bank of the Dnipro river.


Kherson?

[Jones28]

Kherson?

Yepp

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67182172

[Ozyhibby]

Yepp

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67182172

Difficult to see how they can supply a significant force across the river. More likely trying to cause mischief and tie up Russian troops.


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[Jones28]

Difficult to see how they can supply a significant force across the river. More likely trying to cause mischief and tie up Russian troops.


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If they can form a beachhead and keep Russia away from their supply lines then they could build up a reasonable force but it will take time and logistical perfection.

As you say, it’s keeping Russian soldiers back from the main front.

I deleted my Twitter last week, all the stuff about Gaza and Israel breached my tolerance levels for looking at horrible stuff so im relying more on regular news sources.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/poland24com/status/1716410744206463146?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

I saw this rumour last night as well. Let’s hope it’s true.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Some bedfellows Russia has confirmed a group of Hamas delegates has came to Moscow for talks, wonder if their shared partners Iran will come along

[Jones28]

This thread has gone very quiet.

I've dumped Twitter so am not as up with all the OSINT stuff, anyone able to provide much of an update?

[Ozyhibby]

This thread has gone very quiet.

I've dumped Twitter so am not as up with all the OSINT stuff, anyone able to provide much of an update?

I’d say there won’t be much map movement now over the winter. Both sides will carry on trying to wear each other down by striking strategic targets.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1721840603435077738?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sanctions are slowly doing their job.


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[greenginger]

https://x.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1721840603435077738?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sanctions are slowly doing their job.


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Is Vlad Romanov still in his submarine ?

They should bring him down to Moscow to head up the central bank.

Russians just owe it to themselves !

[BS44]

https://x.com/poland24com/status/1716410744206463146?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

I saw this rumour last night as well. Let’s hope it’s true.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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More rumours! Putin dead?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-death-rumours-intensify-after-his-successor-refers-to-him-in-past-tense/ar-AA1jFn0p?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=b83ac0ad6a5d45f591d21cd9a33d049b&ei=10

[StevieC]

Currently in Dnipro and it’s not quite as bad as it was during my last visit in February. The trams are working again, street lights and traffic lights are back on, there aren’t the 8 hour power cuts that they were having every day back in February/March. People are trying to carry on as normal, as best they can. The city is still getting at least two or three air raid warnings a day though, and regardless of whether it’s likely to end in a missile attack on the city it still sends a shiver down your spine when the sirens go off. The missiles are headed somewhere and unless the city defences do their job, which they do pretty effectively for the most part, they are going to strike a target.

I had been hoping to travel to Nikopol on this trip, but it’s only 7km from the front line and with daily shelling there it was just too big a risk.

[Hibrandenburg]

Currently in Dnipro and it’s not quite as bad as it was during my last visit in February. The trams are working again, street lights and traffic lights are back on, there aren’t the 8 hour power cuts that they were having every day back in February/March. People are trying to carry on as normal, as best they can. The city is still getting at least two or three air raid warnings a day though, and regardless of whether it’s likely to end in a missile attack on the city it still sends a shiver down your spine when the sirens go off. The missiles are headed somewhere and unless the city defences do their job, which they do pretty effectively for the most part, they are going to strike a target.

I had been hoping to travel to Nikopol on this trip, but it’s only 7km from the front line and with daily shelling there it was just too big a risk.

Stay safe Stevie.

[superfurryhibby]

As Hermann Hesse once said "if the war goes on "......

[Stairway 2 7]

Currently in Dnipro and it’s not quite as bad as it was during my last visit in February. The trams are working again, street lights and traffic lights are back on, there aren’t the 8 hour power cuts that they were having every day back in February/March. People are trying to carry on as normal, as best they can. The city is still getting at least two or three air raid warnings a day though, and regardless of whether it’s likely to end in a missile attack on the city it still sends a shiver down your spine when the sirens go off. The missiles are headed somewhere and unless the city defences do their job, which they do pretty effectively for the most part, they are going to strike a target.

I had been hoping to travel to Nikopol on this trip, but it’s only 7km from the front line and with daily shelling there it was just too big a risk.

Stay safe, amazing what your doing once again

[cabbageandribs1875]

how desperate is that runt Putin

Putin Keeps Sending Cannibal Convicts to Ukraine Front (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/putin-pardons-cannibal-fight-ukraine-war-1846382)

[Jones28]

how desperate is that runt Putin

Putin Keeps Sending Cannibal Convicts to Ukraine Front (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/putin-pardons-cannibal-fight-ukraine-war-1846382)

He'll be shot by his own comrades.

[cabbageandribs1875]

He'll be shot by his own comrades.

indeed :agree: the Ukranians need not fear him.....fellow Russian soldiers will though :greengrin and should he return to Russia unharmed the Russian public will as well :rolleyes:

[Jones28]

Very negative report on channel 4 just now. The west distracted by the Israel/Gaza crises is not arming Ukraine quickly enough.

[StevieC]

Very negative report on channel 4 just now. The west distracted by the Israel/Gaza crises is not arming Ukraine quickly enough.

This was my worry as soon as the Hamas attacks happened. It’s the US and Russia going head to head again, and that could result in them redirecting support. It’s the worst thing that could happen to Ukraine at this stage (other than Trump getting elected!).

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231213/0fad23fd6fd86e599a821277d37dacb9.jpg

That’s a significant rate of attrition. The Russian professional army is mostly gone and it’s now a conscript army.


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[Ozyhibby]

Ukraine about to begin talks on joining the EU. Orban had to leave the room to get the vote through.


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[Bridge hibs]

Ukraine about to begin talks on joining the EU. Orban had to leave the room to get the vote through.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSaw the back end of the news and it went to horrible **** Putin who was smiling and the reporter said something along the lines of that smile will get bigger but I missed the gist of what he was on about

[Jones28]

Ukraine about to begin talks on joining the EU. Orban had to leave the room to get the vote through.


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The **** managed to sneak back in to block a 50b Euro aid package for Ukraine though.

****bag.

[Stairway 2 7]

Orban has blocked every package then done a deal about a week later. The same will happen this time, rumours he's wanting 30 billion owed to Hungary that was held for corruptionissues. He's a tit but predictable.

Some huge military aid announcements from European countries this week Denmark 1 billion, 6 billion from Norway over the next 5 years, Germany 1.3 billion. Looks like the US aid package will get agreed after the ****bag Reps forced Biden to agree to stricter immigration rules to get it, apparently close to agreement.

The biggest news is the EU membership, a huge shift for Europe. Not just for Ukraine, Georgia too. I think the images of this woman will go down in Georgian history
https://twitter.com/intermarium24/status/1633204209477664768

[StevieC]

Currently in Dnipro and it’s not quite as bad as it was during my last visit in February. The trams are working again, street lights and traffic lights are back on, there aren’t the 8 hour power cuts that they were having every day back in February/March. People are trying to carry on as normal, as best they can. The city is still getting at least two or three air raid warnings a day though, and regardless of whether it’s likely to end in a missile attack on the city it still sends a shiver down your spine when the sirens go off. The missiles are headed somewhere and unless the city defences do their job, which they do pretty effectively for the most part, they are going to strike a target.

I’d mentioned after my trip to Ukraine in November that the underlying fear was that of an all out missile attack from Russia on Ukrainian infrastructure once winter had set in. It took longer than I expected, but that’s exactly what’s been happening over the last couple of days.

In Dnipro missiles have struck a maternity hospital, a shopping centre and the railway. There isn’t a major city that hasn’t been targeted, with Kyiv on the receiving end of the largest concentration of missiles. 😞

[cabbageandribs1875]

Russian journalist found dead, days after claiming corruption with Russian reconstruction in Mariupol Russian Journalist Alexander Rybin Found Dead on Roadside After Blasting Kremlin (thedailybeast.com) (https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-journalist-alexander-rybin-found-dead-on-roadside-after-blasting-kremlin)

[K-Zazu]

I’d mentioned after my trip to Ukraine in November that the underlying fear was that of an all out missile attack from Russia on Ukrainian infrastructure once winter had set in. It took longer than I expected, but that’s exactly what’s been happening over the last couple of days.

In Dnipro missiles have struck a maternity hospital, a shopping centre and the railway. There isn’t a major city that hasn’t been targeted, with Kyiv on the receiving end of the largest concentration of missiles. 😞

If you don’t mind me asking, how were you able to travel to Ukraine?

[StevieC]

If you don’t mind me asking, how were you able to travel to Ukraine?

Do you mean by which route (rather than how I managed the time)?

Fly to Poland, train to border, 18 hour train journey to Dnipro.

[Bridge hibs]

Seen this on GMTV this morning, surely we wouldnt be going toe to toe with Russia, nut job Putin would be rubbing his hands

OUTGOING HEAD OF THE BRITISH ARMY HAS SAID PEOPLE SHOULD BE 'TRAINED AND EQUIPPED' TO FIGHT IN A POTENTIAL WAR WITH RUSSIA AMID TENSIONS

Sorry for the caps as I copied and pasted

[Ozyhibby]

Seen this on GMTV this morning, surely we wouldnt be going toe to toe with Russia, nut job Putin would be rubbing his hands

OUTGOING HEAD OF THE BRITISH ARMY HAS SAID PEOPLE SHOULD BE 'TRAINED AND EQUIPPED' TO FIGHT IN A POTENTIAL WAR WITH RUSSIA AMID TENSIONS

Sorry for the caps as I copied and pasted

We may have no choice.


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[Bridge hibs]

We may have no choice.


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The minute we set foot on their soil we will all be obliterated, that mad **** is just waiting on it

Just whilst we were hoping 2024 may be the year that lot get around the table, sadly doesn't sound like it

[Jones28]

The minute we set foot on their soil we will all be obliterated, that mad **** is just waiting on it

Just whilst we were hoping 2024 may be the year that lot get around the table, sadly doesn't sound like it

I might have posted this before but in every major conflict Russia have conceded defeat in (I think aside from Afghanistan) they have lost half a million men before hitting their limit. So I’ve heard anyway.

But it’s a pretty depressing thought that there may have to be another 150,000 or so Russians and 50,000 Ukrainians killed (plus civilian casualties) before Russia gets round the table.

[Ozyhibby]

The minute we set foot on their soil we will all be obliterated, that mad **** is just waiting on it

Just whilst we were hoping 2024 may be the year that lot get around the table, sadly doesn't sound like it

It will likely be fought on NATO soil.
Either way, the only way of stopping it is stopping him in Ukraine.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Seen this on GMTV this morning, surely we wouldnt be going toe to toe with Russia, nut job Putin would be rubbing his hands

OUTGOING HEAD OF THE BRITISH ARMY HAS SAID PEOPLE SHOULD BE 'TRAINED AND EQUIPPED' TO FIGHT IN A POTENTIAL WAR WITH RUSSIA AMID TENSIONS


Sorry for the caps as I copied and pasted


The best deterrence is to be prepared. Russia is a bully, it picks fights with those it thinks will be a pushover

[Bridge hibs]

The best deterrence is to be prepared. Russia is a bully, it picks fights with those it thinks will be a pushover

Oh I agree mate, I just thought we would be at the point everyone including Russia would at least attempt to sort something out

[Kato]

The best deterrence is to be prepared. Russia is a bully, it picks fights with those it thinks will be a pushoverWe are far from prepared. The armed forces have run down just the same way everything else has.

Labour will be inheriting the ****show and its almost definitely been done deliberately to hamstring them the next administration as much as possible.



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[Hibs4185]

Quite simply, defeating Russia in Ukraine ends a lot of instability across the globe. They are influencing and encouraging other nations in order to take the heat off them in Ukraine.

If we allow Russia to win in Ukraine, it brings the conflict closer to home and a war in Europe more likely, which we will get dragged into.

Fortunately for us, with 32 nations in NATO, Russia would get pummelled pretty quickly. Ukraine has done enough damage to their Forces and shown their equipment to be garbage, whisky having a tiny faction of our resources.

I know someone will say “ah but nuclear weapons”, well we’d have 1 pointing at us but they’d have several more pointing back at them, and ones that actually work.

Let’s hope we never get there but giving Ukraine everything it needs, is paramount to stopping most of the evil.

[Stairway 2 7]

Quite simply, defeating Russia in Ukraine ends a lot of instability across the globe. They are influencing and encouraging other nations in order to take the heat off them in Ukraine.

If we allow Russia to win in Ukraine, it brings the conflict closer to home and a war in Europe more likely, which we will get dragged into.

Fortunately for us, with 32 nations in NATO, Russia would get pummelled pretty quickly. Ukraine has done enough damage to their Forces and shown their equipment to be garbage, whisky having a tiny faction of our resources.

I know someone will say “ah but nuclear weapons”, well we’d have 1 pointing at us but they’d have several more pointing back at them, and ones that actually work.

Let’s hope we never get there but giving Ukraine everything it needs, is paramount to stopping most of the evil.

What a post 👏 spot on

[Jones28]

LBC are covering the conscription stuff at the moment. James O’Brien is a great listen.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/1753018783029928200?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Another Russian warship sunk. [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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[Bristolhibby]

I might have posted this before but in every major conflict Russia have conceded defeat in (I think aside from Afghanistan) they have lost half a million men before hitting their limit. So I’ve heard anyway.

But it’s a pretty depressing thought that there may have to be another 150,000 or so Russians and 50,000 Ukrainians killed (plus civilian casualties) before Russia gets round the table.

Have they lost 350,000 men in two years?!? Staggering numbers.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

Have they lost 350,000 men in two years?!? Staggering numbers.

J

Yeah UK MOD today announced their estimates for 2 years of war is 350,000 men 2600 tanks and 4900 infantry fighting vehicles lost for the Russians.

Staggering numbers of poor men and for what some land that is flattened and full of mines, destroyed standing in the west politically, Europe moving to New sources of fuel and pushing green energy, Finland and sweeden joining NATO, Ukraine on the path to joining EU, an estimated 1 million Russians fled and mostly younger and well educated.

[Hibrandenburg]

Yeah UK MOD today announced their estimates for 2 years of war is 350,000 men 2600 tanks and 4900 infantry fighting vehicles lost for the Russians.

Staggering numbers of poor men and for what some land that is flattened and full of mines, destroyed standing in the west politically, Europe moving to New sources of fuel and pushing green energy, Finland and sweeden joining NATO, Ukraine on the path to joining EU, an estimated 1 million Russians fled and mostly younger and well educated.

Russia has a population of about 145 million, there's plenty more cannon fodder left and Russia has rarely been squeamish about atrocious casualties in wartime. They sent wave after wave of unarmed/poorly armed soldiers toward German lines in WW2 with the intention of depleting German ammunition. Life is cheap in Russia.

[Stairway 2 7]

The EU agree to give Ukraine £50 billion in aid, massive. Profits from Russian frozen money will form part of the fund. They also agree to increase artillery shell production to 1.2 million per year next year

[Stairway 2 7]

Russia has a population of about 145 million, there's plenty more cannon fodder left and Russia has rarely been squeamish about atrocious casualties in wartime. They sent wave after wave of unarmed/poorly armed soldiers toward German lines in WW2 with the intention of depleting German ammunition. Life is cheap in Russia.

Yep I read the UN says they had 14 million men aged between 18-34, 350k casualties and 700k fled. Still meat for the wasteful grinder. About 10% of available men are signed up already 1.3 million.

[Stairway 2 7]

Highly unusual not sure what it would be perhaps cyber attack? House Intelligence Committee in the US has told Congress of a "serious national security threat" “it is, in fact, a highly concerning and destabilizing” Russian capability “that we were recently made aware of.” CNN saying its involving Russia


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/14/politics/house-intel-chairman-serious-national-security-threat/index.html

[Hibs4185]

Highly unusual not sure what it would be perhaps cyber attack? House Intelligence Committee in the US has told Congress of a "serious national security threat" “it is, in fact, a highly concerning and destabilizing” Russian capability “that we were recently made aware of.” CNN saying its involving Russia


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/14/politics/house-intel-chairman-serious-national-security-threat/index.html

They launched something into space the other day

Fingers crossed it focuses a few minds in Washington and gets the aid package over the line.

Hopefully knowing Russia this super duper technology doesn’t actually work

[Stairway 2 7]

Not sure if they are speculating but ABC suggesting it's about Russia putting nuke in space to hit satellites, sure Elons would be fine from Putin. Nukes in space is outlawed in every nuclear treaty Russia has signed but when did rules stop them

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-plans-brief-lawmakers-house-chairman-warns/story?id=107232293

Two sources familiar with deliberations on Capitol Hill said the intelligence has to do with the Russians wanting to put a nuclear weapon into space.

This is not to drop a nuclear weapon onto Earth but rather to possibly use against satellites.

"It is very concerning and very sensitive," said one source, who called it "a big deal."

[Bridge hibs]

Not sure if they are speculating but ABC suggesting it's about Russia putting nuke in space to hit satellites, sure Elons would be fine from Putin. Nukes in space is outlawed in every nuclear treaty Russia has signed but when did rules stop them

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-plans-brief-lawmakers-house-chairman-warns/story?id=107232293

Two sources familiar with deliberations on Capitol Hill said the intelligence has to do with the Russians wanting to put a nuclear weapon into space.

This is not to drop a nuclear weapon onto Earth but rather to possibly use against satellites.

"It is very concerning and very sensitive," said one source, who called it "a big deal."So Russia in effect could blast the US satellites to smithereens which would give them a free rein to nuke **** out of the US and probably us because the US nukes would be going round in circles

I would hate the thought of any nukes going up into space, thats the complete ****ing unknown, utter radges

[Stairway 2 7]

So Russia in effect could blast the US satellites to smithereens which would give them a free rein to nuke **** out of the US and probably us because the US nukes would be going round in circles

I would hate the thought of any nukes going up into space, thats the complete ****ing unknown, utter radges

When Russia was allowed to take crimea they thought they were OK to do as we wish as we seem with them invading Ukraine. We've pretty much gave Ukraine 1970s equipment from storage so I can see why they still think they can do as they wish.

Russian has the prison mentality that anyone backing down or wanting peace are week, the west bar the ballistics have been.

US have about 5000 satellites in space so I'm not sure if this is just posturing but definitely not good

[Bridge hibs]

When Russia was allowed to take crimea they thought they were OK to do as we wish as we seem with them invading Ukraine. We've pretty much gave Ukraine 1970s equipment from storage so I can see why they still think they can do as they wish.

Russian has the prison mentality that anyone backing down or wanting peace are week, the west bar the ballistics have been.

US have about 5000 satellites in space so I'm not sure if this is just posturing but definitely not goodIts like Russia are trying to coax the US into a war if this is true, moreso if the US retaliate, ****ing mad *******s in this ****ed up world

[cabbageandribs1875]

Musk is against Giving Ukraine more money Musk says U.S. shouldn’t give Ukraine more money—‘there is no way in hell’ Putin could lose because ‘he would be assassinated’ | Fortune (https://fortune.com/2024/02/13/musk-us-not-give-ukraine-more-money-putin-lose-assassinated-jd-vance/)


i said several months ago Ukraine wouldn't get Crimea back but i'd rather Musk didn't agree with me

[Ozyhibby]

Musk is against Giving Ukraine more money Musk says U.S. shouldn’t give Ukraine more money—‘there is no way in hell’ Putin could lose because ‘he would be assassinated’ | Fortune (https://fortune.com/2024/02/13/musk-us-not-give-ukraine-more-money-putin-lose-assassinated-jd-vance/)


i said several months ago Ukraine wouldn't get Crimea back but i'd rather Musk didn't agree with me

Think how many lives would have been saved if we had just stopped funding the war against Hitler in 1941.
Musk is a grade A ****.


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[500miles]

Musk is against Giving Ukraine more money Musk says U.S. shouldn’t give Ukraine more money—‘there is no way in hell’ Putin could lose because ‘he would be assassinated’ | Fortune (https://fortune.com/2024/02/13/musk-us-not-give-ukraine-more-money-putin-lose-assassinated-jd-vance/)


i said several months ago Ukraine wouldn't get Crimea back but i'd rather Musk didn't agree with me

Given how he made his money, I always thought Musk was a government asset.

Didn't realise it was the Kremlin though.

[Stairway 2 7]

Musk is against Giving Ukraine more money Musk says U.S. shouldn’t give Ukraine more money—‘there is no way in hell’ Putin could lose because ‘he would be assassinated’ | Fortune (https://fortune.com/2024/02/13/musk-us-not-give-ukraine-more-money-putin-lose-assassinated-jd-vance/)


i said several months ago Ukraine wouldn't get Crimea back but i'd rather Musk didn't agree with me

There's a difference between getting crimea back and letting Russia conquer Ukraine. If we hadn't supported Ukraine it would now be Russian and all traces of Ukrainian identity slowly destroyed. If when Musk first shouted about ceasefire 1 year in we had stopped then Kherson the biggest city Russia took would still be Russian.

Appeasement will embolden Russia. We are taking years to discuss giving them 40 year old f16 jets and drip feeding them equipment. Ukraine won't stop regardless rightly, we should give them the equipment to keep as many of them alive

[Lendo]

Navyless Ukraine sink yet another Black Sea fleet vessel. No survivors either.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/stratcomcentre/status/1758133951242395665?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

A bit of light hearted Ukrainian fun.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/archer83able/status/1758452710871793878?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Navalny dead.


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[DaveF]

https://x.com/archer83able/status/1758452710871793878?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Navalny dead.


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Well, that's the least surprising news of the year. Out of the way before the elections.

[grunt]

https://x.com/archer83able/status/1758452710871793878?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Navalny dead.
He appeared in court via video link just yesterday. He appeared in good health and he even joked with the judge.

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1758463630125809721?s=20

[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/archer83able/status/1758452710871793878?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Navalny dead.


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Absolutely disgusting. Weak and pathetic to murder opposition politicians. Another reason why we should all vote when we can as we don't know how lucky we are to have the opportunity to vote out a government.

If you haven't seen it I'd watch the Navalny on the iplayer tremendous documentary

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0016txs

[Stairway 2 7]

Chris Grozev of Bellingcat who made the Navalny documentary points out the Russian government press releases reporting Navalnys death was released 2 minutes after the time of his reported death

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1758478080287363558

@amanpour
“I have to go back.” Speaking just before he returned to Russia, Navalny told me: “I don’t think that I can have such a privilege of being safe in Russia, but I have to go back, because I don’t want this group of killers [to] exist in Russia. I don’t want Putin ruling Russia.”

[Hibrandenburg]

https://x.com/archer83able/status/1758452710871793878?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Navalny dead.


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Let this be the start of that *******'s horrible end.

[Bridge hibs]

Let this be the start of that *******'s horrible end.

Is there anyone brave or daft enough to take him on ?

[Hibrandenburg]

Is there anyone brave or daft enough to take him on ?

He'll meet his fate at the hands of his own people, one way or the other. Eventually even those close to him will feel safer with him dead than alive.

[hibee]

Is there anyone brave or daft enough to take him on ?

Humza has had a word with him on Twitter so he won’t be doing anything like this again.

[Hibs4185]

I actually feel a little upset that navalny has died. The bravery he showed going home to Russia when he could’ve stayed in Germany is incredible.

If there is one positive that may come of this, is that speaker Johnson from congress has given a pretty strong statement about his death and ‘focusing minds’.

Hopefully this leads to the US agreeing support for Ukraine and destroying Putin

The sooner that *unt dies the better

[Ozyhibby]

I actually feel a little upset that navalny has died. The bravery he showed going home to Russia when he could’ve stayed in Germany is incredible.

If there is one positive that may come of this, is that speaker Johnson from congress has given a pretty strong statement about his death and ‘focusing minds’.

Hopefully this leads to the US agreeing support for Ukraine and destroying Putin

The sooner that *unt dies the better

I wouldn’t under estimate republicans ability to speak out both sides of their mouths.


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[Keith_M]

He'll meet his fate at the hands of his own people, one way or the other. Eventually even those close to him will feel safer with him dead than alive.


I'd love to believe that but the evil ******* now has total control.

Every day I just hate the guy even more.

[Ozyhibby]

I'd love to believe that but the evil ******* now has total control.

Every day I just hate the guy even more.

Dictators usually all meet the same fate. Very few die peacefully of old age and leave the legacy they think. And usually they look all powerful less than a year before they are not.


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[Ozyhibby]

Government statement to the house there on Navalny and not a single new sanction or any action on the poor enforcement of the current sanctions. So long as Sunak and his Tory mates can make a quid then happy days.[emoji35]


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[Jones28]

2 years to the day since the war began.

Neither side is any further forward. All that’s been achieved is death and destruction.

[Bridge hibs]

2 years to the day since the war began.

Neither side is any further forward. All that’s been achieved is death and destruction.Yep utterly ****ing disgusting and depressing, if it ever ends then families on both sides will take years to get over the needless deaths of their loved ones, all for what, the ****ing ego of a maniac

****ing new sanctions, what the **** are they ? I thought all sanctions from the West were in place, whatever they are then they dont seem to have bothered the maniac as he seems to be enjoying himself by playing in a nuclear bomber plane 😡

[Stairway 2 7]

2 years to the day since the war began.

Neither side is any further forward. All that’s been achieved is death and destruction.

Russia has murdered a generation of Ukrainian and Russian male's, destroyed its future in the west, expanded NATO to countries that weren't interested pre war, had countries like Japan export weapons for the first time, have baltic nations destroy all traces of the Soviet Union including street names and statues, get Europe to achieve energy security costing them billions for decades to come, spending hundreds of billions of pounds a year on weapons. All for a few flattened cities and towns

Last night they lost a second a50 radar plane costing $300,000,000, at what point do the populace in Russia say we have massive levels of poverty in this country what the f are you doing. Some dafties in Scotland want revolution because of millions of overspend on ferries,l. Imagine we were spending the same as that on each hypersonic missle we were firing into civilian buildings in another country, our streets would be ablaze

[greenginger]

Government statement to the house there on Navalny and not a single new sanction or any action on the poor enforcement of the current sanctions. So long as Sunak and his Tory mates can make a quid then happy days.[emoji35]


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https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-launches-new-russian-sanctions-package-mark-invasion-anniversary-2024-02-22/

[Hibs4185]

Russia has murdered a generation of Ukrainian and Russian male's, destroyed its future in the west, expanded NATO to countries that weren't interested pre war, had countries like Japan export weapons for the first time, have baltic nations destroy all traces of the Soviet Union including street names and statues, get Europe to achieve energy security costing them billions for decades to come, spending hundreds of billions of pounds a year on weapons. All for a few flattened cities and towns

Last night they lost a second a50 radar plane costing $300,000,000, at what point do the populace in Russia say we have massive levels of poverty in this country what the f are you doing. Some dafties in Scotland want revolution because of millions of overspend on ferries,l. Imagine we were spending the same as that on each hypersonic missle we were firing into civilian buildings in another country, our streets would be ablaze

I seen a few rumours that a couple of F16’s were already operational hence all the jets being shot down in the last few days

[Lendo]

I seen a few rumours that a couple of F16’s were already operational hence all the jets being shot down in the last few days

Somethings definitely changed in the past few weeks. Seven fighters downed, five SU-34 and two SU-35 and now this A-50 (the second one this year).

[RyeSloan]

Somethings definitely changed in the past few weeks. Seven fighters downed, five SU-34 and two SU-35 and now this A-50 (the second one this year).

Saw some analysis that suggested the Ukrainians have moved some of their Patriot systems further forward.

This risks losing them of course but after their ‘glide bomb’ mauling at Advivika they changed it up and have caught the Russians on the hop a touch.

In particular the way the rather effective glide bombs need to be released means the SU’s need to fly at quite a high altitude, thus making them a rather more identifiable target.

The flip side is the Patriots have limited range so need to be close to the front line. Still, so far so good on that move.

[Hibs4185]

Saw some analysis that suggested the Ukrainians have moved some of their Patriot systems further forward.

This risks losing them of course but after their ‘glide bomb’ mauling at Advivika they changed it up and have caught the Russians on the hop a touch.

In particular the way the rather effective glide bombs need to be released means the SU’s need to fly at quite a high altitude, thus making them a rather more identifiable target.

The flip side is the Patriots have limited range so need to be close to the front line. Still, so far so good on that move.

Patriots further forward and F16’s, hopefully Ukraine can dominate the air.

Anyone scared of Russia should look at what Ukraine has done in the Black Sea with no navy and in the air with limited resources.

[Ozyhibby]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Hungary expected to ratify Sweden accession to NATO today



Hungary to ratify Sweden's NATO accession, clearing last hurdle | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungary-set-ratify-swedens-nato-accession-clearing-last-hurdle-2024-02-26/)

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/1763512441390928233?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

This has been an interesting development over the last week or so. First France, now Canada suggesting sending troops to Ukraine. It’s not like Ukraine appears to be asking for it either?
Will other countries follow and will any troops actually be sent?


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/maria_drutska/status/1763512441390928233?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

This has been an interesting development over the last week or so. First France, now Canada suggesting sending troops to Ukraine. It’s not like Ukraine appears to be asking for it either?
Will other countries follow and will any troops actually be sent?


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Think it's a good idea along the north border obviously they would be hundreds of miles from the combat zones. Russia should have no complaints apart from not being able to invade a sovereign nation at their will.

[Ozyhibby]

Think it's a good idea along the north border obviously they would be hundreds of miles from the combat zones. Russia should have no complaints apart from not being able to invade a sovereign nation at their will.

Would also be a significant boost to Ukrainian economy.


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[DaveF]

Thousands turned up in Moscow for the funeral of Navalny today, with chants of No war, Russia without Putin etc being heard.

It probably won't amount to anything but it might just be the start of something. And it shows not all Russians are inside with their dictator.

[Ozyhibby]

Thousands turned up in Moscow for the funeral of Navalny today, with chants of No war, Russia without Putin etc being heard.

It probably won't amount to anything but it might just be the start of something. And it shows not all Russians are inside with their dictator.

At some point there will be a spark which sets of events leading to his demise. [emoji1696]


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[Jim44]

Thousands turned up in Moscow for the funeral of Navalny today, with chants of No war, Russia without Putin etc being heard.

It probably won't amount to anything but it might just be the start of something. And it shows not all Russians are inside with their dictator.

While probably a minority, I’d like to think that the number of Putin dissenters is much greater than any evidence, such as Navalny’s funeral shows. The vast majority of them are terrified of the madman’s reprisals.

[Stairway 2 7]

Thousands turned up in Moscow for the funeral of Navalny today, with chants of No war, Russia without Putin etc being heard.

It probably won't amount to anything but it might just be the start of something. And it shows not all Russians are inside with their dictator.

Very brave of them all