Ukraine

[Since90+2]

So with Ukraine not being in NATO I presume there’s a decent chance that the UKs involvement won’t really stretch and further than sanctions etc.

Basically, do we think there’s a good chance the UK won’t physically be going to war?

I can't see any possible scenario where British troops are fighting on the front line in the Ukraine.

[Pretty Boy]

So with Ukraine not being in NATO I presume there’s a decent chance that the UKs involvement won’t really stretch and further than sanctions etc.

Basically, do we think there’s a good chance the UK won’t physically be going to war?

Physically as in troops, little to no chance.

In terms of hardware and intelligence, we already are and I daresay any Ukranian rebels post the 'fall of Kyiv' won't want for weaponry in the short term either.

[Smartie]

So with Ukraine not being in NATO I presume there’s a decent chance that the UKs involvement won’t really stretch and further than sanctions etc.

Basically, do we think there’s a good chance the UK won’t physically be going to war?

I don't think we go to war based on what has happened so far. Sanctions will be forthcoming and sanctions will hit us hard as well as Russia (although them harder).

With what has happened it seems a longer route than ever to get Russia back to a negotiating table.

We go to war when a NATO partner is attacked - and whilst that might once have seemed a remote prospect, it really doesn't now.

[The_Exile]

Nobody wants war but surely the rest of the world can't just sit by and watch this happening? Seeing the pictures of earlier of people panicking and fleeing with kids the same age as my own, I can't compute any of this, I just can't fully accept this is actually happening.

[WhileTheChief..]

I can't see any possible scenario where British troops are fighting on the front line in the Ukraine.

If things escalate with civilians being targeted by Russian troops I would hope and expect us to provide air support at the very least.

I’d imagine this will spill over into other countries quite easily, bringing the rest of Europe into war in some capacity.

[Since90+2]

If things escalate with civilians being targeted by Russian troops I would hope and expect us to provide air support at the very least.

I’d imagine this will spill over into other countries quite easily, bringing the rest of Europe into war in some capacity.

The worst way this can escalate is if British / American troops and fighters jets in are direct confrontation with Russian counterparts, which is why it won't happen. And with good reason.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think we go to war based on what has happened so far. Sanctions will be forthcoming and sanctions will hit us hard as well as Russia (although them harder).

With what has happened it seems a longer route than ever to get Russia back to a negotiating table.

We go to war when a NATO partner is attacked - and whilst that might once have seemed a remote prospect, it really doesn't now.

Yeah that’s pretty much what I expected.

As you said, the idea of this spilling over into another country really doesn’t seem all that unlikely.

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1496855703172091906?s=20&t=PtwCTOd_xTc0ekkEZ6ALVw

****ing hell.


Clip of Russian jet firing rockets in to house, very audible screaming, no signs of lost life.

[WhileTheChief..]

The worst way this can escalate is if British / American troops and fighters jets in are direct confrontation with Russian counterparts, which is why it won't happen. And with good reason.

Do we just leave Ukrainians to be slaughtered? What if it's clear that ethnic cleansing is taking place?

If things need to be escalated, then so be it.

[makaveli1875]

This could easily be the start of world war 3 . Pretty scary thought with all the hi tech weaponry at the disposal of Russia , America and China . The stakes are high but Putin really needs to be stopped , it’s unlikely his imperial ambitions end with Ukraine

[Since90+2]

Do we just leave Ukrainians to be slaughtered? What if it's clear that ethnic cleansing is taking place?

If things need to be escalated, then so be it.

How many people do you think will be killed if a full blown military confrontation between NATO and Russia takes place? The worst case scenario doesn't bear thinking about, as to put it bluntly, it could mean the deaths of every single one of us.

[Willis1875]

https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1496855703172091906?s=20&t=PtwCTOd_xTc0ekkEZ6ALVw

****ing hell.

Bloody hell that young child’s cry made my stomach churn

[Lendo]

https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1496855703172091906?s=20&t=PtwCTOd_xTc0ekkEZ6ALVw

****ing hell.

Holy ****. That’s unbelievable horrific.

[lord bunberry]

Do we just leave Ukrainians to be slaughtered? What if it's clear that ethnic cleansing is taking place?

If things need to be escalated, then so be it.
We left the afghans to be slaughtered.

[AltheHibby]

Are you sure? I'm pretty certain the US President as Commander in Chief has first and last decision over a nuclear strike.

The difference is that if our or the USA top generals consider the order illegal they can tell the PM or President where to go. The Russian generals don't have that opportunity.

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1496855703172091906?s=20&t=PtwCTOd_xTc0ekkEZ6ALVw

****ing hell.


The power in those machines is really beyond description. Just them flying over your head in the scottish mountains tells you enough about their power, and thats without a payload of cruise missiles.

[Northernhibee]

Same as me, I've got a 3 year old daughter.

The idea of packing them off on a bus in that situation is just heart breaking.

That image will probably stay with most people who watch it for the rest of their lives. That's utterly, utterly horrendous.

[Ozyhibby]

How many people do you think will be killed if a full blown military confrontation between NATO and Russia takes place? The worst case scenario doesn't bear thinking about, as to put it bluntly, it could mean the deaths of every single one of us.

Nobody in Edinburgh will be around to count the death toll afterwards.


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[Pretty Boy]

Ukranian resistance seems to have been overwhelmed pretty quickly in this phase:

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1496832644990050307

[hibsbollah]

That image will probably stay with most people who watch it for the rest of their lives. That's utterly, utterly horrendous.

The state of me when i packed my boy off to holiday camp for a week, can you imagine how sending him off in that situation would feel like.

[hibsbollah]

Gas prices up 40% in a single day.

Biden to speak shortly.

[stokesmessiah]

https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1496855703172091906?s=20&t=PtwCTOd_xTc0ekkEZ6ALVw

****ing hell.


Clip of Russian jet firing rockets in to house, very audible screaming, no signs of lost life.

That is hard to watch…but if you read the comments it isn’t from the conflict in Ukraine right now.

[Pretty Boy]

Russian media reporting (unofficially) a Turkish cargo ship has been hit (presumably inadvertently).

Turkey is a NATO member isn't it?

[Stairway 2 7]

I wonder at what bloody stage the EU thinks it should

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[Jones28]

That is hard to watch…but if you read the comments it isn’t from the conflict in Ukraine right now.

One comment claims that, multiple others say its Ukranian and one claims its confirmed Ukranian and firing on Russian ground troops.

This just shows the danger in looking at videos on social media, where you can't verify their origin.

What you can verify is the terror in that kids screams.

[hibsbollah]

Soon after President Putin declared the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, videos and images claiming to be from the conflict began trending on major social networks.
While there is lots of genuine footage, some viral clips racking up hundreds of thousands of views show events from past conflicts or old military exercises. Many of these seem to coming from users posting content without checking.
The BBC has seen videos of the 2014 Russia-Ukraine war, the 2011 Libyan war and the 2020 Beirut explosions going viral.
In one example, a former Ukrainian ambassador to the US tweeted a video which he claimed was taken in Mariupol, but a version of the same clip was uploaded to TikTok weeks ago and apparently showing a lightning hitting a power station.
Another viral video claiming to show Russian military paratroopers landing in Ukraine first appeared online in 2016.
But Twitter seems to be taking a proactive role in confronting misleading content, as it seemed to have removed several videos proven to be old or false by fact-checkers and researchers.

[Lendo]

Russian media reporting (unofficially) a Turkish cargo ship has been hit (presumably inadvertently).

Turkey is a NATO member isn't it?

Yep….. this is the sort of development that will cause things to escalate beyond the point of no return

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220224/96c4cece50db27fa17e75b755bff5f85.jpg

In the absence of any meaningful action, this should do it.[emoji106]


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[Jones28]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220224/96c4cece50db27fa17e75b755bff5f85.jpg

In the absence of any meaningful action, this should do it.[emoji106]


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Well thank god, a poignant tweet. Leadership is alive and well in Downing Street.

[Hibbyradge]

Physically as in troops, little to no chance.

In terms of hardware and intelligence, we already are and I daresay any Ukranian rebels post the 'fall of Kyiv' won't want for weaponry in the short term either.

I'm not sure that the UK will weigh in all that heavily, if at all.

Johnson is too close to Putin.

[Kato]

This could easily be the start of world war 3 . Pretty scary thought with all the hi tech weaponry at the disposal of Russia , America and China . The stakes are high but Putin really needs to be stopped , it’s unlikely his imperial ambitions end with Ukraine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Putin's play book. Published 1997.

"Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services."

"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to*fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support*isolationist*tendencies in American politics."

"The*United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe."

"Ukraine*should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is*cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible."





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[Stairway 2 7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220224/96c4cece50db27fa17e75b755bff5f85.jpg

In the absence of any meaningful action, this should do it.[emoji106]


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We've also sent thousands of nlaw anti tank weapons, surface to air missles and javelin anti tank missles.

[660]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220224/96c4cece50db27fa17e75b755bff5f85.jpg

In the absence of any meaningful action, this should do it.[emoji106]


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Hopefully people start changing their profile pics on Facebook to Ukrainian flags quickly before this escalates any further

[SChibs]

Nobody wants war but surely the rest of the world can't just sit by and watch this happening? Seeing the pictures of earlier of people panicking and fleeing with kids the same age as my own, I can't compute any of this, I just can't fully accept this is actually happening.

There are people, companies and corporations that would love a war to kick off right now. War is profitable and the people who profit aren't the ones who will be fighting and nor will their families. These people don't care about some folk dying as long as they line their own pockets

[Stonewall]

I'm not sure that the UK will weigh in all that heavily, if at all.

Johnson is too close to Putin.

He’ll have to get sanctions past Rhys-Mogg as well.

I wonder if he got his clients’ money out in time.

[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220224/96c4cece50db27fa17e75b755bff5f85.jpg

In the absence of any meaningful action, this should do it.[emoji106]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNot until it's written on the side of a bus with a beaming Bozo giving it the thumbs up.

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[Ozyhibby]

There are people, companies and corporations that would love a war to kick off right now. War is profitable and the people who profit aren't the ones who will be fighting and nor will their families. These people don't care about some folk dying as long as they line their own pockets

War isn’t profitable for the vast majority of the economy. There are some companies who can make money from it but the vast majority lose.


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[LunasBoots]

Nobody wants war but surely the rest of the world can't just sit by and watch this happening? Seeing the pictures of earlier of people panicking and fleeing with kids the same age as my own, I can't compute any of this, I just can't fully accept this is actually happening.

West don't have anyone with the balls anymore sadly

[Ozyhibby]

We've also sent thousands of nlaw anti tank weapons, surface to air missles and javelin anti tank missles.

Putin won’t be worried about them at all. He needs to be hit hard economically. Russia needs to be frozen out of the worlds economy.


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[Stairway 2 7]

25580

Current battle map

[Stairway 2 7]

Putin won’t be worried about them at all. He needs to be hit hard economically. Russia needs to be frozen out of the worlds economy.


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Eu aren't even banning them from swift, never mind stopping buying their gas $700 million dollars a day. Also if China sides with them were done as China can take all the gas currently Sent to the eu

[Since90+2]

Eu aren't even banning them from swift, never mind stopping buying their gas $700 million dollars a day. Also if China sides with them were done as China can take all the gas currently Sent to the eu

Surely they'd need to build massive infrastructure channels to transfer all that gas? That isn't going to be done quickly.

[Stairway 2 7]

Surely they'd need to build massive infrastructure channels to transfer all that gas? That isn't going to be done quickly.

They send to China just now but fully linked is almost 2 years away so would need to hold out. On the other hand German lights go out if gas stops this way. We all should have went nuclear in a bigger way like France 30 years ago

[Pretty Boy]

Eu aren't even banning them from swift, never mind stopping buying their gas $700 million dollars a day. Also if China sides with them were done as China can take all the gas currently Sent to the eu

It certainly seems that the EU, UK and US interpretation of strong and robust measures differs wildly from how most people understand it. Banning Russia from Swift would appear to have been an obvious action and a relatively impactful one.

I suppose it's a capitalist war when all is said and done and the basic rules of empathy don't really apply.

[WhileTheChief..]

We left the afghans to be slaughtered.

So we should do the same again????

Weird take on it.

I think we should do whatever we can to help.

[Hibernian Verse]

So we should do the same again????

Weird take on it.

I think we should do whatever we can to help.

I think he was suggesting that the UK will leave it to happen again rather than be his personal preference.

[LunasBoots]

So we should do the same again????

Weird take on it.

I think we should do whatever we can to help.

Same, at the moment it just doesn't feel like enough.

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1496855703172091906?s=20&t=PtwCTOd_xTc0ekkEZ6ALVw

****ing hell.


Clip of Russian jet firing rockets in to house, very audible screaming, no signs of lost life.

That is ****ing horrifying.

[WhileTheChief..]

I think he was suggesting that the UK will leave it to happen again rather than be his personal preference.

I very much doubt that.

We'll be right in the thick of things alongside our allies.

[Stairway 2 7]

Conflict News
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@ZelenskyyUa
says that fighting is taking place at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant.

"Our defenders are giving their lives so that the tragedy of 1986 will not be repeated. [...] This is a declaration of war against the whole of Europe

[Paulie Walnuts]

So we should do the same again????

Weird take on it.

I think we should do whatever we can to help.

You’ve got to keep in mind though that whatever we can to help and trying to help and making things worse are completely different things. Any real physical involvement in terms of us putting boots on the ground etc over there will absolutely make things worse.

It seems inhumane to not just get over there and jump onto the front line but the consequences of that would be even more catastrophic than what’s currently happening.

[SteveHFC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMX1fFsWQAAxp8h?format=jpg&name=small

[Hibernian Verse]

You’ve got to keep in mind though that whatever we can to help and trying to help and making things worse are completely different things. Any real physical involvement in terms of us putting boots on the ground etc over there will absolutely make things worse.

It seems inhumane to not just get over there and jump onto the front line but the consequences of that would be even more catastrophic than what’s currently happening.

Which is exactly why Putin is getting away with this.

Do we jump in if he goes after Lithuania because they are part of NATO? Or are they too small?
Estonia? Same?
Poland?

[lord bunberry]

So we should do the same again????

Weird take on it.

I think we should do whatever we can to help.
It’s a weird take to suggest that’s what I meant. You seem to think the uk will put soldiers on the ground to help Ukraine if it thinks genocide is happening, I don’t think they will. I’d be surprised if Britain has the means to fight a war, even as part of a larger force.

[Jones28]

I'm so torn on the issue of what we can do to help.

Obviously we can send as many missiles, ammo and hardware over to Ukraine as we can, but if the populous is getting decimated and there's no one there to pull the trigger what will it have achieved? Countless civilians, children and innocent pawns killed for nothing.

If we put UK troops in to Ukraine they could actively fight off Russian troops and protect the Ukrainian civilians, at the risk of poking Putin with a big stick and him having is senile old finger over a big red button.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220224/c55e72bdc768504eb6f1303e19556991.jpg

Strong from the SNP.


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[Pretty Boy]

In a day that has been utterly surreal since about 5am, I'm not sure if watching Vitali Klitschko declare a curfew in Kyiv and telling Russia he is prepared to fight is the most surreal image yet.

[Chorley Hibee]

Chinese jets now in Taiwanese airspace.

The next chapter in the ****show that is planet earth right now.

[Stairway 2 7]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
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BREAKING: Red Cross chief says fears 'massive casualty numbers' in Ukraine

[LunasBoots]

In a day that has been utterly surreal since about 5am, I'm not sure if watching Vitali Klitschko declare a curfew in Kyiv and telling Russia he is prepared to fight is the most surreal image yet.

The sort of character who doesn't care if he dies or not is the impression I get from Vitali

[LunasBoots]

Chinese jets now in Taiwanese airspace.

The next chapter in the ****show that is planet earth right now.

****sake, Russian and Chinese probably worked on all this together.

[Stairway 2 7]

Chinese jets now in Taiwanese airspace.

The next chapter in the ****show that is planet earth right now.

Jeez. Taiwan has been on the cards for a while

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1496870591483330560

Massive anti war protests in St petersburg now 👏

[Pretty Boy]

Not sure the Taiwan situation is too alarming. Yet.

These fly bys are fairly common and this one is far from the biggest in recent months. Probably would have passed without comment had it not been for the events in Ukraine.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1496883254502297604

Arrests at Moscow protest, brave people

[Sir David Gray]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1496870591483330560

Massive anti war protests in St petersburg now 👏

BBC reporting over 100 arrests at them across 24 cities in Russia.

[Northernhibee]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1496870591483330560

Massive anti war protests in St petersburg now 👏

Really important that it's clear that it's Putin and his regime we hate and stand against, not the vast majority of good Russian people.

My admiration for every single person protesting there is off the chart.

[HibsGW]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Putin's play book. Published 1997.

"Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services."

"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to*fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support*isolationist*tendencies in American politics."

"The*United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe."

"Ukraine*should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is*cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible."





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The accuracy of all of that for a book written 25 years ago is very concerning. The bits about UK and USA with the recent talk about Russian involvement in our elections is unsettling and of course the clear explanation of what is playing out in Ukraine is very odd.

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1496883254502297604

Arrests at Moscow protest, brave peopleThe automaton currently dictating in Russia will have no problem imprisoning, or worse, even more of his own people.

They're certainly to be admired but it needs millions more to do the same.

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[Betty Boop]

Not too keen on arming Neo Nazis to the teeth. Ukraine has a thread of Nazis running through its Military.

Max Blumenthal: US is Arming Neo-Nazis in Ukraine - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=azov+battalion+ukraine&&view=detail&mid=B2C1F6C396872EA2536FB2C1F6C396872EA2536F&rvsmid=2C3D40E57B83E052C13B2C3D40E57B83E052C13B&FORM=VDRVRV)

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Quite interesting that the police seem to be going through the motions. Never even tried to stop the woman holding her sign when leading her away. Thought they would have been more heavy handed

[cabbageandribs1875]

Phantom Power on Twitter: "UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace caught on camera talking about sending Gurkhas and Scots Guards to deal with Putin #cannonfodder https://t.co/YCqoOeoS55" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1496568080511733760?s=19&fbclid=IwAR0eqSvRY2Cxwk50GrhWPSVAQ34_IuHxEannp7V15 JDtJYb_U-xlXlDyigc)


yeah chubby wee bald boy, send in the Gurkhas and Scots guards, they won't be a loss will they you wee freakin toe rag

[Lendo]

Chinese jets now in Taiwanese airspace.

The next chapter in the ****show that is planet earth right now.

Where are you seeing this?

[hibsbollah]

'No War' says Feder Smolov, Dynamo Moscow and Russia striker on insta:aok:

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/edwardlucas/status/1496886185217638400?s=21

Decent thread from a Lib Dem. [emoji102]


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[Hibernian Verse]

Not too keen on arming Neo Nazis to the teeth. Ukraine has a thread of Nazis running through its Military.

Max Blumenthal: US is Arming Neo-Nazis in Ukraine - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=azov+battalion+ukraine&&view=detail&mid=B2C1F6C396872EA2536FB2C1F6C396872EA2536F&rvsmid=2C3D40E57B83E052C13B2C3D40E57B83E052C13B&FORM=VDRVRV)

Blumenthal has broadcast on RT (formerly known as Russia Today) on many occasions.[10] In December 2015, during a trip to Moscow presumed by multiple sources to have been paid for by the Kremlin,[15][18] Blumenthal was a guest at RT's 10 Years On Air anniversary party attended by President Vladimir Putin.

In an interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News in November 2017, Blumenthal defended RT against "the charge that it’s Kremlin propaganda."[10][20] He has also contributed on multiple occasions to Sputnik radio,[18][21] as well as to Iran's Press TV[22][23] and China's CGTN.[24] .

Always check your sources.

[grunt]

Phantom Power on Twitter: "UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace caught on camera talking about sending Gurkhas and Scots Guards to deal with Putin #cannonfodder https://t.co/YCqoOeoS55" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1496568080511733760?s=19&fbclid=IwAR0eqSvRY2Cxwk50GrhWPSVAQ34_IuHxEannp7V15 JDtJYb_U-xlXlDyigc)


yeah chubby wee bald boy, send in the Gurkhas and Scots guards, they won't be a loss will they you wee freakin toe ragWallace was himself a Captain in the Scots Guards, he served and was mentioned in dispatches.

[Chorley Hibee]

Where are you seeing this?

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-reports-nine-chinese-aircraft-its-air-defence-zone-2022-02-24/

[Pretty Boy]

Out of interest does the UK still have a network of working air raid sirens?

Growing up in the shadow of both Dreghorn and Redford barracks I have vague childhood memories of the sirens in the locality being tested fairly often. I assume they were mothballed and removed when the cold war ended?

[SteveHFC]

Lithuania and Moldova declare a state of emergency.

[Ozyhibby]

Out of interest does the UK still have a network of working air raid sirens?

Growing up in the shadow of both Dreghorn and Redford barracks I have vague childhood memories of the sirens in the locality being tested fairly often. I assume they were mothballed and removed when the cold war ended?

I was wondering that today as well. I think they used to be on the top of the old police boxes but no idea if we ever replaced them.


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[WhileTheChief..]

It’s a weird take to suggest that’s what I meant. You seem to think the uk will put soldiers on the ground to help Ukraine if it thinks genocide is happening, I don’t think they will. I’d be surprised if Britain has the means to fight a war, even as part of a larger force.

Yeah, sorry, i really didn't know what you meant!

British boots on the ground may be miles away, British jets in the air over Ukraine not so much.

[Pretty Boy]

Lithuania and Moldova declare a state of emergency.

I'd assume due to the expected refugees from Ukraine.

There is an active Russian backed paramilitary operating in Moldova though......

[Chorley Hibee]

I'd assume due to the expected refugees from Ukraine.

There is an active Russian backed paramilitary operating in Moldova though......

The Transnistria region of Moldova could be the next chapter.

[patch1875]

Out of interest does the UK still have a network of working air raid sirens?

Growing up in the shadow of both Dreghorn and Redford barracks I have vague childhood memories of the sirens in the locality being tested fairly often. I assume they were mothballed and removed when the cold war ended?

Remember as a boy gaining access to the police box in Henderson street and setting the one on the roof off😀

[Stairway 2 7]

From the guardian

Boris Johnson has urged European leaders to agree that Russia’s use of the major payments system should be suspended, making the argument in a call with the German chancellor Olaf Scholz and in a meeting of G7 leaders. The move is likely to be resisted by EU countries.

Johnson gives details of new sanctions being imposed against Russia
Johnson says the UK is announcing the largest package of sanctions that Russia has ever seen.

A full asset freeze is being imposed on VBT, Russia’s second largest bank.

Russian banks will be excluded from the UK financial system, he says.

Russsian state and private companies will be banned from raising money in the UK.

The amount of money Russians can have in British bank accounts will be limited.

Sanctions will apply to Belarus too, Johnson says.

He says Aeroflot will be banned in the UK.

Export controls will be implemented, similar to the ones imposed by the US. (That means a ban on items like semiconductor and other high-tech equipment.)

There will also be a ban on the export of dual-use items to Russia. (That means equipment that could be used militarily.)

Legislation to enforce some of these sanctions will be laid in parliament next week, he says.

These trade sanctions will constrain Russia’s military, industrial and technological capabilities for years to come.

Johnson also says he is discussing with allies the possiblity of excluding Russia from the Swift international payments system

[SaulGoodman]

From the guardian

Boris Johnson has urged European leaders to agree that Russia’s use of the major payments system should be suspended, making the argument in a call with the German chancellor Olaf Scholz and in a meeting of G7 leaders. The move is likely to be resisted by EU countries.

Johnson gives details of new sanctions being imposed against Russia
Johnson says the UK is announcing the largest package of sanctions that Russia has ever seen.

A full asset freeze is being imposed on VBT, Russia’s second largest bank.

Russian banks will be excluded from the UK financial system, he says.

Russsian state and private companies will be banned from raising money in the UK.

The amount of money Russians can have in British bank accounts will be limited.

Sanctions will apply to Belarus too, Johnson says.

He says Aeroflot will be banned in the UK.

Export controls will be implemented, similar to the ones imposed by the US. (That means a ban on items like semiconductor and other high-tech equipment.)

There will also be a ban on the export of dual-use items to Russia. (That means equipment that could be used militarily.)

Legislation to enforce some of these sanctions will be laid in parliament next week, he says.

These trade sanctions will constrain Russia’s military, industrial and technological capabilities for years to come.

Johnson also says he is discussing with allies the possiblity of excluding Russia from the Swift international payments system

Dare I say, well done Boris?

🤢

[Pretty Boy]

That's pretty comprehensive from Johnson.

[Ozyhibby]

From the guardian

Boris Johnson has urged European leaders to agree that Russia’s use of the major payments system should be suspended, making the argument in a call with the German chancellor Olaf Scholz and in a meeting of G7 leaders. The move is likely to be resisted by EU countries.

Johnson gives details of new sanctions being imposed against Russia
Johnson says the UK is announcing the largest package of sanctions that Russia has ever seen.

A full asset freeze is being imposed on VBT, Russia’s second largest bank.

Russian banks will be excluded from the UK financial system, he says.

Russsian state and private companies will be banned from raising money in the UK.

The amount of money Russians can have in British bank accounts will be limited.

Sanctions will apply to Belarus too, Johnson says.

He says Aeroflot will be banned in the UK.

Export controls will be implemented, similar to the ones imposed by the US. (That means a ban on items like semiconductor and other high-tech equipment.)

There will also be a ban on the export of dual-use items to Russia. (That means equipment that could be used militarily.)

Legislation to enforce some of these sanctions will be laid in parliament next week, he says.

These trade sanctions will constrain Russia’s military, industrial and technological capabilities for years to come.

Johnson also says he is discussing with allies the possiblity of excluding Russia from the Swift international payments system

Is there any asset freezes on the oligarch with assets in London?


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[Northernhibee]

Dare I say, well done Boris?

��

Yep, if there's nothing in the small print about that then well done. You have to give credit where it's due. Unless our hesitation has allowed assets to be removed from the country already.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not sure excluding Russia from the SWIFT system is going to be universally welcomed. There are many companies in the EU (particularly France) and further afield who are owed billions collectively. They will find it difficult to recoup that.

[hibsbollah]

Is there any asset freezes on the oligarch with assets in London?


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I said this yesterday, Russian assets are tied up in property in London and in UK banks. he's saying nothing about property and he's only saying money in UK banks will be 'limited', but not by how much.

[Scorrie]

Watching some of the European news channels, they’re saying that Putin has been preparing for economic sanctions for a while, even developing a Russian alternative to Visa and Mastercard. Putin thinks that Russia can last longer than the west Europe, particularly when fuel prices rocket.

[stu in nottingham]

I wonder if the three million plus Ukrainians living in Russia will prove to be any kind of factor, say in civil unrest, protest or sabotage. I read an opinion that many are pro-Russia but that seems far from substantiated.

[Hibrandenburg]

****sake, Russian and Chinese probably worked on all this together.

I hinted at that a couple of days ago. It's the only way Putin would have any chance of success.

[Hibrandenburg]

Really important that it's clear that it's Putin and his regime we hate and stand against, not the vast majority of good Russian people.

My admiration for every single person protesting there is off the chart.

:agree:

[Jones28]

From the guardian

Boris Johnson has urged European leaders to agree that Russia’s use of the major payments system should be suspended, making the argument in a call with the German chancellor Olaf Scholz and in a meeting of G7 leaders. The move is likely to be resisted by EU countries.

Johnson gives details of new sanctions being imposed against Russia
Johnson says the UK is announcing the largest package of sanctions that Russia has ever seen.

A full asset freeze is being imposed on VBT, Russia’s second largest bank.

Russian banks will be excluded from the UK financial system, he says.

Russsian state and private companies will be banned from raising money in the UK.

The amount of money Russians can have in British bank accounts will be limited.

Sanctions will apply to Belarus too, Johnson says.

He says Aeroflot will be banned in the UK.

Export controls will be implemented, similar to the ones imposed by the US. (That means a ban on items like semiconductor and other high-tech equipment.)

There will also be a ban on the export of dual-use items to Russia. (That means equipment that could be used militarily.)

Legislation to enforce some of these sanctions will be laid in parliament next week, he says.

These trade sanctions will constrain Russia’s military, industrial and technological capabilities for years to come.

Johnson also says he is discussing with allies the possiblity of excluding Russia from the Swift international payments system

Seems fairly comprehensive. We should have been in a position to do this the second Putin made his declaration of war though.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's a really strong package of sanctions, but I fear Putin would have been prepared for this and more. If China supports him were in bother

[Ryan91]

Out of interest does the UK still have a network of working air raid sirens?

Growing up in the shadow of both Dreghorn and Redford barracks I have vague childhood memories of the sirens in the locality being tested fairly often. I assume they were mothballed and removed when the cold war ended?

I can't recall any such sirens being tested in my youth, despite growing up in the area around Dreghorn/Redford, would have to assume that having been born pretty much right as the Cold War ended that's when they were scrapped and hence never heard them

[Stairway 2 7]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
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BREAKING: Russia ready to negotiate with Ukraine - Kremlin.

Russia demands that Ukraine refuse to allow any weapons to be deployed in the country and guarantee that they will remain neutral (not join NATO

[Stairway 2 7]

Kate Ferguson
@kateferguson4
· 2h
Ukrainian ambassador to the UK Vadym Prystaiko says British donated military kit has been used to shoot down Russian planes

[Smartie]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
19m
BREAKING: Russia ready to negotiate with Ukraine - Kremlin.

Russia demands that Ukraine refuse to allow any weapons to be deployed in the country and guarantee that they will remain neutral (not join NATO

Is it just me, or… is this good news?

The first of the day.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I can't recall any such sirens being tested in my youth, despite growing up in the area around Dreghorn/Redford, would have to assume that having been born pretty much right as the Cold War ended that's when they were scrapped and hence never heard them

Might be misremembering but I'm sure I can remember the siren going off at the bombie on clerry Hill early '80's

[Stairway 2 7]

Steven Swinford
@Steven_Swinford
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2h
It's very unlikely that Russia will be barred from Swift payment system, which would represent one of strongest sanctions

UK pushing for it - as it has been since Jan - but Germany other EU nations are reluctant to do so. They're said to be concerned about retaliatory action

[Ryan91]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
19m
BREAKING: Russia ready to negotiate with Ukraine - Kremlin.

Russia demands that Ukraine refuse to allow any weapons to be deployed in the country and guarantee that they will remain neutral (not join NATO

Russia basically demanding that Ukraine simply roll over and allow themselves to be dictated to by Moscow. Weapons owned by Moscow will be allowed on Ukrainian territory though, to ensure NATO doesn't try any pesky tricks, of course, not for any other reason.

[Stairway 2 7]

Is it just me, or… is this good news?

The first of the day.

The source is rt but the rt article has now been taken down so pinch of salt needed

[lapsedhibee]

Is it just me, or… is this good news?

The first of the day.

It would be good news if it was sincere. Is that likely? :dunno:

[CropleyWasGod]

Steven Swinford
@Steven_Swinford
·
2h
It's very unlikely that Russia will be barred from Swift payment system, which would represent one of strongest sanctions

UK pushing for it - as it has been since Jan - but Germany other EU nations are reluctant to do so. They're said to be concerned about retaliatory action

Germany and, in particular, France have too much to lose by it.

[stokesmessiah]

Is it just me, or… is this good news?

The first of the day.

It’s not really though is it….

[stokesmessiah]

Salmond has suspended his show on RT.

[SteveHFC]

Chernobyl now under control of Russian forces.

[Stairway 2 7]

Germany and, in particular, France have too much to lose by it.

Money talks 😢

[Moulin Yarns]

The source is rt but the rt article has now been taken down so pinch of salt needed

That Alex Salmond 😂

[Smartie]

It’s not really though is it….

Not exactly a reason for celebration, but I’d imagine any signal from Russia of a way back to a negotiating table should be considered to be a positive.

[Jim44]

That's pretty comprehensive from Johnson.

Let’s not be too complimentary towards Boris. He’s only rubber stamping what has been formulated by folk who know what they are doing. In the same way that Putin is just the focus of the evil doings of Russian megalomaniacs. Elimination of Putin would not solve this threat to world peace and God forbid, human existence.

[Just Alf]

Wonder if Russia would have invaded if Ukraine still had its nukes.


Bet they're now wishing they hadn't accepted the Russian, US & UK security guarantees if they gave them up.

[Stairway 2 7]

Nothing unsettling at all about Russian tanks roaming around chernobyl

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1496905910404460547

Tadeusz Giczan 🇺🇦@TadeuszGiczan · 21m
The first video from the captured Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Ukraine's PM Shmyhal has confirmed that the exclusion zone and all the NPP facilities have come under the control of the Russian forces

[grunt]

I'm not sure excluding Russia from the SWIFT system is going to be universally welcomed. There are many companies in the EU (particularly France) and further afield who are owed billions collectively. They will find it difficult to recoup that.
I expect Johnson asked for this in the full knowledge that many EU countries would not agree.
Makes him look good, at no cost to himself.

[LunasBoots]

Guerilla warfare seems the only way for Ukranians now

[grunt]

Let’s not be too complimentary towards Boris. He’s only rubber stamping what has been formulated by folk who know what they are doing. In the same way that Putin is just the focus of the evil doings of Russian megalomaniacs. Elimination of Putin would not solve this threat to world peace and God forbid, human existence.:agree:
He's only sanctioned 2 of the 35 names put forward by Navalny. Abramovich remains free to invest in the UK.

[Stairway 2 7]

I expect Johnson asked for this in the full knowledge that many EU countries would not agree.
Makes him look good, at no cost to himself.

Uk and the Czech Republic have been pushing hard for it for weeks. Germany and France very much against. The US has wanted it as a last resort but now supposedly coming round to it. The uk will formally ask the g7 tomorrow, pressure will be big on the uk if Russia push further into the Ukrain

[Stairway 2 7]

Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
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22m
Replying to
@michaelh992
Major battle today in Hostomel is key. If Moscow can hold onto it, and continue to achieve air superiority (the latter is very likely), it will most certainly use the airport as an entry point to attack Kyiv.

Reports that Ukrainian artillery is once again shelling Hostomel, likely as part of an effort to recapture it but also to avoid that scenario

[Sir David Gray]

Ukraine's port city of Mariupol is under heavy fire with reports of hundreds of explosions, a diplomatic source has told Reuters news agency.

Mariupol is one of the biggest Ukrainian ports on the Azov Sea and is located near a frontline held by Russian-backed separatists in the Donetsk region - which Vladimir Putin has recognised as an independent state.

Taking Mariupol would help Russia secure a direct land route to Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60454795?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6217c862571bfc64f8e65320%26Port%20city %20of%20Mariupol%20under%20attack%262022-02-24T18%3A15%3A56.807Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:f51efc5e-bc2d-468b-8967-77c782af72f7&pinned_post_asset_id=6217c862571bfc64f8e65320&pinned_post_type=share

[Sir David Gray]

At least 735 people have been arrested at anti-war protests across Russia today following the invasion of Ukraine, an independent monitor says.

Demonstrators were detained in 40 cities, according to OVD-Info, which tracks arrests at opposition rallies.

More than 330 people have been detained in Moscow, it says.

Images have emerged of Russian police detaining protesters at an anti-war protest taking place in central Moscow's Pushkinskaya Square.

An image taken by an AFP photographer at the scene shows officers detaining a man holding a placard which reads: "No to war with Ukraine! Putin to resign".

Other images show officers blocking-off the square. A Guardian reporter at the scene said on Twitter that there is a "very heavy police presence" in the area.

In the US, a pro-Ukraine rally is expected to take place outside the White House in Washington DC at 16:30 local time (21:30 GMT).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60454795?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6217a1e1d774c11a4faad98e%26Arrests%20a t%20anti-war%20protests%20in%20Russia%262022-02-24T18%3A03%3A48.244Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:3157dd76-05f2-4a6b-9998-94f38fbc4b58&pinned_post_asset_id=6217a1e1d774c11a4faad98e&pinned_post_type=share

[cabbageandribs1875]

the scruffy man in Westminster will get credit from me when he states no more donations from Russian donors will be accepted by his political party, and no more cushy girls nights out with Russian Donors, as much as i dislike eck salmond how dare he jest with Ian Blackford yesterday re: RT and salmond, hypocritical buffoon

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAUc7Pl.img?h=532&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=410&y=206

[Ozyhibby]

:agree:
He's only sanctioned 2 of the 35 names put forward by Navalny. Abramovich remains free to invest in the UK.

Surely that can’t be right?


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[cabbageandribs1875]

multinational protest outside Russian consulate tomorrow on Melville Street @ 12:30

[Stairway 2 7]

Will be a terrifying night for the people of Ukraine

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1496915815437905924

Conflict News
@Conflicts
VIDEO: Heavy fighting can be heard in Odesa, a major port on Ukraine's Black Sea coast

[grunt]

Uk and the Czech Republic have been pushing hard for it for weeks. Germany and France very much against. The US has wanted it as a last resort but now supposedly coming round to it. The uk will formally ask the g7 tomorrow, pressure will be big on the uk if Russia push further into the Ukrain
Did you mean US? I'm not sure why the pressure would be on the UK if they've already been pushing for it?

[Stairway 2 7]

Did you mean US? I'm not sure why the pressure would be on the UK if they've already been pushing for it?

Sorry eu. I think they will have no choice if they take Kiev tomorrow, its like living through a nightmare this

[grunt]

Sorry eu. I think they will have no choice if they take Kiev tomorrow, its like living through a nightmare this
I agree pressure will be on EU. EU countries like Cyprus are hugely dependent on Russian money.

[Jones28]

I’ve had a bollocking from my wife for spending the day looking at Twitter and reading about this.

I can’t not look, I’ve got a tension headache, something I haven’t had for years.

[LunasBoots]

I’ve had a bollocking from my wife for spending the day looking at Twitter and reading about this.

I can’t not look, I’ve got a tension headache, something I haven’t had for years.

Haha same, partners like 'don't believe everything you read in the news', I'm like well the same reports on multiple websites so I highly doubt its bollocks

[Kato]

The accuracy of all of that for a book written 25 years ago is very concerning. The bits about UK and USA with the recent talk about Russian involvement in our elections is unsettling and of course the clear explanation of what is playing out in Ukraine is very odd.Maybe it's all just a coincidence. [emoji849]

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[James310]

I'm not sure excluding Russia from the SWIFT system is going to be universally welcomed. There are many companies in the EU (particularly France) and further afield who are owed billions collectively. They will find it difficult to recoup that.

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1496891806306480135?t=5_DM6ZC6uVEh98xI5b_7Vg&s=19

[660]

Russia couldn’t give a flying **** about sanctions. What can the west realistically do to stop this? Nothing it seems.

[StevieC]

Ukraine's port city of Mariupol is under heavy fire with reports of hundreds of explosions, a diplomatic source has told Reuters news agency.

Mariupol is one of the biggest Ukrainian ports on the Azov Sea and is located near a frontline held by Russian-backed separatists in the Donetsk region - which Vladimir Putin has recognised as an independent state.

Taking Mariupol would help Russia secure a direct land route to Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60454795?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6217c862571bfc64f8e65320%26Port%20city %20of%20Mariupol%20under%20attack%262022-02-24T18%3A15%3A56.807Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:f51efc5e-bc2d-468b-8967-77c782af72f7&pinned_post_asset_id=6217c862571bfc64f8e65320&pinned_post_type=share

I said weeks ago that a land link to Crimea, and removing reliance on the Kerch bridge, was a high priority for Putin.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1496891806306480135?t=5_DM6ZC6uVEh98xI5b_7Vg&s=19

Brutal that, let's Russia know they can do what they want. We need to support Germany on getting gas anyway we can, although I know that is making it seem simpler than it is

[Stairway 2 7]

Brave fight so far it must be said especially around kharkiv

Illia Ponomarenko@IAPonomarenko·28m🇺🇦Ukraine’s top general: Russia’s blitzkrieg on day one has failed

[cabbageandribs1875]

11 Labour MPs face suspension for signing Stop The War letter attacking NATO (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/11-labour-mps-face-suspension-for-signing-stop-the-war-letter-attacking-nato/ar-AAUgtfk?ocid=msedgntp)

i like Zarah Sultana but i'm disappointed she signed it


(https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/movies/stars-who-lied-to-get-ahead-in-their-careers/ss-AAUcuI7?ocid=msedgntp)Labour MPs who signed a letter slamming NATO and accusing the UK of "sabre rattling" over Ukraine (https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/ukraine) face suspension unless they immediately withdraw support for it, the Mirror understands.
Some 11 Labour (https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/labour-party) MPs signed the open letter by the Stop The War Coalition, which questions NATO's legitimacy and accuses the defensive alliance of "eastward expansion"

[Chorley Hibee]

:agree:
He's only sanctioned 2 of the 35 names put forward by Navalny. Abramovich remains free to invest in the UK.

As expected, a lot of rhetoric but little action against the individuals seriously involved.

[hibsbollah]

11 Labour MPs face suspension for signing Stop The War letter attacking NATO (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/11-labour-mps-face-suspension-for-signing-stop-the-war-letter-attacking-nato/ar-AAUgtfk?ocid=msedgntp)

i like Zarah Sultana but i'm disappointed she signed it


(https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/movies/stars-who-lied-to-get-ahead-in-their-careers/ss-AAUcuI7?ocid=msedgntp)Labour MPs who signed a letter slamming NATO and accusing the UK of "sabre rattling" over Ukraine (https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/ukraine) face suspension unless they immediately withdraw support for it, the Mirror understands.
Some 11 Labour (https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/labour-party) MPs signed the open letter by the Stop The War Coalition, which questions NATO's legitimacy and accuses the defensive alliance of "eastward expansion"

So you are a ‘mouthpiece of the Kremlin’ if you think NATO has been expanding into Eastern Europe? FFS. Even Blair allowed left wing pacifists to remain in the party.

[Chorley Hibee]

So you are a ‘mouthpiece of the Kremlin’ if you think NATO has been expanding into Eastern Europe? FFS. Even Blair allowed left wing pacifists to remain in the party.

More hypocrisy from supposed defenders of democracy and freedom of speech in the West.

The Labour Party currently denouncing freedom of speech in their own party. Quite an irony given their criticism on the lack of freedom of speech in Russia.

[660]

Some nutjob standing at the lights in Stockbridge with a sign denouncing putin. I imagine the shockwaves from this brave act will be reverberating around the Kremlin as we speak.

[Mike Berry]

Have a listen to Stewart Hosie giving a press conference in July 2020 on the findings of the review by the Intelligence and Security Committee.

It's not a long video, just over 2 minutes.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1285516903113527298?s=20&t=XSvfWSlrLdWZeYYG0-xG4QThere's no doubt Putin wants to weaken the EU. Brexit certainly did that.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
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BREAKING: The Ukrainian city of Mariupol is under heavy fire with reports of hundreds of explosions. The city is one of the biggest Ukrainian ports on the Azov Sea

[Callum_62]

More hypocrisy from supposed defenders of democracy and freedom of speech in the West.

The Labour Party currently denouncing freedom of speech in their own party. Quite an irony given their criticism on the lack of freedom of speech in Russia.I dunno, if I walked into the office tomorrow and said the company is fking **** would I be excused on freedom of speech?

Folk celebrating what we define as terrorist organisations - freedom of speech?

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[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1496816722623574022?t=KW-EhsJpuscalWUt5naLZg&s=19

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[Pretty Boy]

https://twitter.com/Still_Fast/status/1496600826655408128?t=sgkyhUwDdXctlY0jD5tVIA&s=19

This is quite a good read on what is going on at sea currently. It's a bit of a rabbit hole but some of the linked threads and articles are really interesting.

[wallpaperman]

Of all the footage I have seen today, as a father of a girl slightly older than this, I found it utterly heartbreaking. He knows it’s possible that he may not see them again.

I had to look away from my wife and daughter, my eyes were welling up.

https://twitter.com/journoloji/status/1496827450692673537?s=21

[stoneyburn hibs]

Some nutjob standing at the lights in Stockbridge with a sign denouncing putin. I imagine the shockwaves from this brave act will be reverberating around the Kremlin as we speak.

I'd applaud the guy and not presume that he is nuts.

[Hibrandenburg]

Brutal that, let's Russia know they can do what they want. We need to support Germany on getting gas anyway we can, although I know that is making it seem simpler than it is

Germany will get by. The government have prepared the population for the consequences and there is wide spread agreement that the measures are the correct thing to do.

[Sir David Gray]

Of all the footage I have seen today, as a father of a girl slightly older than this, I found it utterly heartbreaking. He knows it’s possible that he may not see them again.

I had to look away from my wife and daughter, my eyes were welling up.

https://twitter.com/journoloji/status/1496827450692673537?s=21

Yeah that got posted earlier on, absolutely horrific.

[660]

Of all the footage I have seen today, as a father of a girl slightly older than this, I found it utterly heartbreaking. He knows it’s possible that he may not see them again.

I had to look away from my wife and daughter, my eyes were welling up.

https://twitter.com/journoloji/status/1496827450692673537?s=21

Who the **** is filming this? Jesus christ

[Chorley Hibee]

I dunno, if I walked into the office tomorrow and said the company is fking **** would I be excused on freedom of speech?

Folk celebrating what we define as terrorist organisations - freedom of speech?

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So speaking out about NATO expansion means you're a mouthpiece of the Kremlin?

On another point, I wonder why the barbarous assault on Yemen has not inspired such principled and united opposition from the UK, US and EU?

Oh, it's because the West is literally helping the Saudis.

We don't give a toss about Ukraine, it's people, or democracy and freedom.

[The 90+2]

Vitali Klitschko says he "will be fighting" in Ukraine Russia war - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/vitali-klitschko-fighting-ukraine-russia-26322697)

The new Steven Segal imo.

[stu in nottingham]

Of all the footage I have seen today, as a father of a girl slightly older than this, I found it utterly heartbreaking. He knows it’s possible that he may not see them again.

I had to look away from my wife and daughter, my eyes were welling up.

https://twitter.com/journoloji/status/1496827450692673537?s=21

I don’t have a child but I found the video totally heartbreaking. It just makes you want to sob at man’s inhumanity.

[The 90+2]

Who the **** is filming this? Jesus christ


If only, he would take care of the Russian tits.

That video is truly heartbreaking. Makes you appreciate not being in that situation.

[660]

I'd applaud the guy and not presume that he is nuts.

I assumed he had completely lost it frankly. An interesting metaphor for the toothless western reaction to putin though.

[Sir David Gray]

Wondering why Putin hasn’t turned off the phones and lights in Ukraine with cyber attacks and jamming. Will he try? Perhaps. Or does he want the world to see what he’s doing because he’s proud of it?

https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496940749295865860?t=jXOAoidP9g_BDSVG0QmgOA&s=19

[Stairway 2 7]

Germany will get by. The government have prepared the population for the consequences and there is wide spread agreement that the measures are the correct thing to do.

Not spread as far as the government it seems. Swift is the single biggest and best single sanction

Benjamin Haddad
@benjaminhaddad
The EU is voting tonight on getting #Russia out of #Swift to support #Ukraine .
Germany and Italy are holding against. German and Italian friends, make your voice heard. Enough

olexander scherba🇺🇦@olex_scherba
Germany, Italy, Cyprus, Hungary! If it’s true that you refuse shutting Russia off #SWIFT, you are a disgrace. Not only to Europe, but to humanity too.

Bruno Maçães
@MacaesBruno
So as I understand it Swift can also work as an import ban and that is the problem for Germany. They don’t want to bring Russian gas to zero overnight. This should have been addressed earlier

[Stairway 2 7]

Wondering why Putin hasn’t turned off the phones and lights in Ukraine with cyber attacks and jamming. Will he try? Perhaps. Or does he want the world to see what he’s doing because he’s proud of it?

https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496940749295865860?t=jXOAoidP9g_BDSVG0QmgOA&s=19
One of the replies below, it seems he's also attacked multiple power stations

Matti Maasikas
@MattiMaasikas
· 8h
Perfect timing: Ukraine's power system has executed a controlled disconnection from the grids of Russia and Belarus, and is now operating autonomously under normal conditions. The assets of the main network are currently functioning without interruptions

[WhileTheChief..]

I thought we saw parliament at its best this afternoon.

No point scoring whatsoever and genuine sincerity from everyone that spoke.

A comprehensive set of measures announced with more to come when the time is right.

This will take years, not months, similar to the Soviets in Afghanistan.

[Stairway 2 7]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
5m
UKRAINE: 10,000 automatic rifles have been given to regular civilians in Kyiv in the last few hours - Interior Minister

[660]

I thought we saw parliament at its best this afternoon.

No point scoring whatsoever and genuine sincerity from everyone that spoke.

A comprehensive set of measures announced with more to come when the time is right.

This will take years, not months, similar to the Soviets in Afghanistan.

What drivel. A comprehensive set of measures that will change the absolute square root of **** all. We’ve seen the UK parliament at its absolute worst. Toothless and irrelevant. Downing Street is lit up in the colours of the Ukrainian flag though so that’s nice I suppose.

[WeeRussell]

Some nutjob standing at the lights in Stockbridge with a sign denouncing putin. I imagine the shockwaves from this brave act will be reverberating around the Kremlin as we speak.

Won’t send shockwaves, no. But that won’t be why he’s doing it.

Good on him.

[The 90+2]

I thought we saw parliament at its best this afternoon.

No point scoring whatsoever and genuine sincerity from everyone that spoke.

A comprehensive set of measures announced with more to come when the time is right.

This will take years, not months, similar to the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Question time should be good tonight. :agree:

[The 90+2]

What drivel. A comprehensive set of measures that will change the absolute square root of **** all. We’ve seen the UK parliament at its absolute worst. Toothless and irrelevant. Downing Street is lit up in the colours of the Ukrainian flag though so that’s nice I suppose.


What would you suggest the UK Government do? Send troops in that will see many leave in body bags?

[SChibs]

So speaking out about NATO expansion means you're a mouthpiece of the Kremlin?

On another point, I wonder why the barbarous assault on Yemen has not inspired such principled and united opposition from the UK, US and EU?

Oh, it's because the West is literally helping the Saudis.

We don't give a toss about Ukraine, it's people, or democracy and freedom.

This. We occupied Iraq and Afghan and our presence there killed over a million civilians. The west doesn't care about the people it just doesn't want Russia expanding and gaining more power.

[660]

What would you suggest the UK Government do? Send troops in that will see many leave in body bags?

I’m suggesting it shouldn’t have got to the point where the west have no realistic options.

[Green Reaper]

I’m suggesting it shouldn’t have got to the point where the west have no realistic options.

By doing what? Putin is obviously focused on a blinkered mission, can’t imagine anything that would have changed his thinking.

[Paulie Walnuts]

By doing what? Putin is obviously focused on a blinkered mission, can’t imagine anything that would have changed his thinking.

Nothing was changing Putins mind. This was going ahead regardless.

[Stairway 2 7]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
12m
BREAKING: Ukrainian forces said to have now retaken the Hostomel Airfield following its earlier capture by Russian helicopter-borne VDV troops

[660]

By doing what? Putin is obviously focused on a blinkered mission, can’t imagine anything that would have changed his thinking.

By handling the fall of the Soviet Union more coherently.

[The Tubs]

What would you suggest the UK Government do? Send troops in that will see many leave in body bags?

There's a lot that should have been done over decades. You can see how the west has allowed the current global situation to develop over decades. The biggest culprit has been our dependence on hydrocarbons, which could have been cured with technological investment. Instead we chose to invade Iraq — US/UK at least — and give trillions to the Saudis and Russia. The energy-industry lobby has kept us in the 20th century.

[Stairway 2 7]

Good

Gary Lineker 💙@GaryLineker·7h
UEFA is to move the Champions League final away from Russia. The right decision

[LunasBoots]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
12m
BREAKING: Ukrainian forces said to have now retaken the Hostomel Airfield following its earlier capture by Russian helicopter-borne VDV troops

Sure i read somewhere Russia is not as prepared when darkness falls don't have the equipment or something I'm sure I read.

[Stairway 2 7]

Sure i read somewhere Russia is not as prepared when darkness falls don't have the equipment or something I'm sure I read.

Yeah I'd read similar, something to do with technical support not ready for it yet. Hopefully stays that way, although I doubt the Ukrainians will get much meaningful rest tonight

[Smartie]

I read elsewhere that the Ukrainians had conceded a bit of ground earlier but have used the cover of darkness to kick back a good bit.

[Stairway 2 7]

Jack Detsch
@JackDetsch
SCOOP: Inside the Biden admin there are fears that arming Ukraine's resistance could be seen as escalatory, three people familiar tell
@RobbieGramer
and me.

Some officials also worry the U.S. could be seen as a legal co-combatant to a wider war w/ Russia

The debate partly centers on the legal basis of a US president’s war power authorities and underscores how concerned U.S. national security planners are that Ukraine’s government could swiftly fall.

A senior US defense official said today that Russia is “making a move on Kyiv

Some aides on Capitol Hill believe Biden should seek approval from Congress before sending more weapons to Ukraine.

A senior Senate Dem aide said several offices across bipartisan lines are already considering potential war-power implications of arming a Ukrainian resistance

Russia could also take the argument that arming Ukraine makes US a co-combatant to the war.

“It’s going to be a real game of chicken," said one expert. "How far is Russia willing to push the argument that the United States or Europe are making themselves part of the conflict

[Lendo]

Sure i read somewhere Russia is not as prepared when darkness falls don't have the equipment or something I'm sure I read.

As someone with two good friends stuck in Kiev I really hope we wake up to a few Ukrainian victories come tomorrow morning and plenty of Russians in bodybags. I’ve been out drinking in town with some Ukrainian friends and I’m past the point of caring about politeness.

[Stairway 2 7]

Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss
·
11m
Replying to
@michaeldweiss
Apparently, Ukraine's 45th Spetsnaz Brigade played a major role in retaking the airfield

Anton Herashchenko: Russian paratroopers who survived the Ukrainian counterattack at Hostomel ran off into surrounding forests and fields

Initial/unconfirmed reports that Ukrainian forces may be carrying out a counter-offensive in Kherson

[Jones28]

Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss
·
11m
Replying to
@michaeldweiss
Apparently, Ukraine's 45th Spetsnaz Brigade played a major role in retaking the airfield

Anton Herashchenko: Russian paratroopers who survived the Ukrainian counterattack at Hostomel ran off into surrounding forests and fields

Initial/unconfirmed reports that Ukrainian forces may be carrying out a counter-offensive in Kherson

Feels very strange to look at something like that as though it’s a football result or something, but that’s how it made me feel.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss
·
11m
Replying to
@michaeldweiss
Apparently, Ukraine's 45th Spetsnaz Brigade played a major role in retaking the airfield

Anton Herashchenko: Russian paratroopers who survived the Ukrainian counterattack at Hostomel ran off into surrounding forests and fields

Initial/unconfirmed reports that Ukrainian forces may be carrying out a counter-offensive in Kherson

We should be arming Ukraine to the teeth with everything they need to carry out operations at night. Might well find it allows them to reclaim a lot of the ground Russia manage to take during the day.

[Stairway 2 7]

Feels very strange to look at something like that as though it’s a football result or something, but that’s how it made me feel.

As pretty boy said earlier. It's bizarre having a European war happen in real time on twitter. Brutal but compelling, heart in the mouth stuff

[Pretty Boy]

Has Putin miscalculated here?

Ukraine seems to be showing some spirited resistance. Whilst the Russians will likely still achieve their objectives through sheer weight of numbers, it is going to see significant Russian bloodshed. A prolonged battle and active, ongoing resistance will be somewhat humiliating for him.

More pertinently the site of Russians both in Russia and abroad actively decrying him doesn't present the image he wants. There is a degree of irony that extreme right US Republicans seems more supportive of the Russian president than many of his own people are.

[Ozyhibby]

Has Putin miscalculated here?

Ukraine seems to be showing some spirited resistance. Whilst the Russians will likely still achieve their objectives through sheer weight of numbers, it is going to see significant Russian bloodshed. A prolonged battle and active, ongoing resistance will be somewhat humiliating for him.

More pertinently the site of Russians both in Russia and abroad actively decrying him doesn't present the image he wants. There is a degree of irony that extreme right US Republicans seems more supportive of the Russian president than many of his own people are.

I honestly think he has. I just don’t see how he can take and hold Ukraine. I can see him getting to Kyiv but how does he then stay and try to govern? It seems mad.


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[Killiehibbie]

I honestly think he has. I just don’t see how he can take and hold Ukraine. I can see him getting to Kyiv but how does he then stay and try to govern? It seems mad.


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I think he should square go the Mayor when he gets there

[JohnM1875]

Has Putin miscalculated here?

Ukraine seems to be showing some spirited resistance. Whilst the Russians will likely still achieve their objectives through sheer weight of numbers, it is going to see significant Russian bloodshed. A prolonged battle and active, ongoing resistance will be somewhat humiliating for him.

More pertinently the site of Russians both in Russia and abroad actively decrying him doesn't present the image he wants. There is a degree of irony that extreme right US Republicans seems more supportive of the Russian president than many of his own people are.

For me that's scary, he doesn't seem the type to admit defeat and wouldn't want the mighty Russia to be beaten by Ukraine with the world watching on. Worried what his next move is.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1496954652012781569

mohamad safa
@mhdksafa
The breathtaking bravery of the Russians who know they’ll be arrested for protesting this war and do it anyway

25581

[Killiehibbie]

For me that's scary, he doesn't seem the type to admit defeat and wouldn't want the mighty Russia to be beaten by Ukraine with the world watching on. Worried what his next move is.

The generals would take him out before he pushed the button.

[Stairway 2 7]

Neil Hauer@NeilPHauer·28m

❗️Reports from Ukrainian defence officials that a Russian bombing raid will hit Kyiv at 3AM. Heading to shelter

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1496963891175333905


Franak Viačorka
@franakviacorka
Missiles or shells were launched from the Belarusian town of Kalinkavichy, around 60 km from Ukraine, at around 11:05 pm local time. The moment was caught on video. Locals also heard a loud explosion

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1496979289228681216

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
RAF Typhoons have been providing CAP over Poland with Voyager tanker support

[SteveHFC]

Neil Hauer@NeilPHauer·28m

❗️Reports from Ukrainian defence officials that a Russian bombing raid will hit Kyiv at 3AM. Heading to shelter

Hope that doesn’t happen.

[WhileTheChief..]

The generals would take him out before he pushed the button.

I think this is the most likely outcome.

Putting the nuclear issue to a side for a minute, I think Putin’s days are already numbered.

Hopefully someone from the military will emerge and bring an end to this madness. The political future of Russia is for another day, once they’re rid of Putin.

[Stairway 2 7]

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·
1m
Zelensky- 137 Ukrainians killed and 306 wounded today

[gbhibby]

Hope the Russian people take to the streets in huge numbers as I am sure that there is a lot of Russians sick to the back teeth with Putin. He is a corrupt leader who is taking the Russian people for a ride building up a $200billion fortune.

[Stairway 2 7]

Hope that doesn’t happen.

Cnn reporting it too now, hopefully that might make it less likely, I don't know

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
CNN- Russian strike on Kyiv expected around 0300

[Stairway 2 7]

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·
1m
Zelensky- 137 Ukrainians killed and 306 wounded today

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·
2m
Zelensky claims enemy "sabotage" forces have entered Kyiv but he is staying

[The 90+2]

I think this is the most likely outcome.

Putting the nuclear issue to a side for a minute, I think Putin’s days are already numbered.

Hopefully someone from the military will emerge and bring an end to this madness. The political future of Russia is for another day, once they’re rid of Putin.


Nah. The normal russians are loving it and the others are **** scared of him.

[The 90+2]

Hope the Russian people take to the streets in huge numbers as I am sure that there is a lot of Russians sick to the back teeth with Putin. He is a corrupt leader who is taking the Russian people for a ride building up a $200billion fortune.


No chance.

[gbhibby]

No chance.
We can live in hope. Has China made any comments on this situation?

[Sir David Gray]

We can live in hope. Has China made any comments on this situation?

They've urged restraint.

[The 90+2]

We can live in hope. Has China made any comments on this situation?

China will back Russia imo. Not the ordinary chinese people but the state will imo 100%.

[The 90+2]

They've urged restraint.

In general it means don't antagonize Putin. Putin will know he has that back up also otherwise he would have shat out this invasion.

[Stairway 2 7]

Nah. The normal russians are loving it and the others are **** scared of him.

Thousands on the street in Moscow and St petersburg tonight chanting stop the war, even after more than 1000 arrested

[Callum_62]

Nah. The normal russians are loving it and the others are **** scared of him.Nonsense

I spoke to someone in our Moscow office today who was in tears at the barbaric actions they have taken

She believes the people of Russia do not want this



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[The 90+2]

Thousands on the street in Moscow and St petersburg tonight chanting stop the war, even after more than 1000 arrested


Fair play to the ones brave enough to do so.

[pacoluna]

We can live in hope. Has China made any comments on this situation?

China are too busy trying to invade Taiwan under the radar, critical help declared by Taiwan.

[The 90+2]

Nonsense

I spoke to someone in our Moscow office today who was in tears at the barbaric actions they have taken

She believes the people of Russia do not want this



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Lets see if they act on it then. Because I don't think anything will stop Putin.

If there's a Russian revolution it would be absolutely amazing.

[greenginger]

China will back Russia imo. Not the ordinary chinese people but the state will imo 100%.

Yep, and they’ll move on Taiwan in the near future.

[stokesmessiah]

Nonsense

I spoke to someone in our Moscow office today who was in tears at the barbaric actions they have taken

She believes the people of Russia do not want this



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As part of my job, by absolute chance I ended up having to interview some people in Russia today. I was apprehensive this morning about it being discussed….every single one brought it up immediately and they were all angry and upset that Russia had attacked.

[Sir David Gray]

Yep, and they’ll move on Taiwan in the near future.

Yep that's a certainty.

[The 90+2]

Yep, and they’ll move on Taiwan in the near future.

:agree:

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1496987331655573518?t=XrV-EztEm48JoHG2hhIXbw&s=19

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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1496987331655573518?t=XrV-EztEm48JoHG2hhIXbw&s=19

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Hopefully Germany can be persuaded

[Stairway 2 7]

Ukrainian foreign minister says UK having talks, hopefully more supplies at least

Dmytro Kuleba
@DmytroKuleba
First-ever 2+2 call of two top diplomats + two defense ministers of Ukraine and the United Kingdom. Topics: sanctions and weapons. London works very intensively on both. The UK believes in Ukraine and our victory over the aggressor 🇬🇧 🇺🇦

[WeeRussell]

Lets see if they act on it then. Because I don't think anything will stop Putin.

If there's a Russian revolution it would be absolutely amazing.

Not attempting to or not being able to meaningfully act against a dictator isn’t the same as supporting or loving the war. Quite a careless comment to suggest the ordinary citizen in Russia is backing this invasion imo.

[LunasBoots]

US intelligence says Putin has plans for his military beyond Ukraine

[LunasBoots]

Multiple Ukrainian islands where bombed, border patrol who where on the island where caught in a audio recording before all being killed saying 'Russia, go **** yourself".

[LunasBoots]

Missiles hitting Kyiv again, Russian hit squads have infiltrated Kyiv they think as well to take out Ukrainian president and his family

[SteveHFC]

US intelligence says Putin has plans for his military beyond Ukraine

Moldova and possibly the baltic countries?

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1497039189740859419?s=21

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1497042959186870277?s=21

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1497045920659423233?s=21

BREAKING: Ukraine government advisor says Kyiv is being hit with either cruise or ballistic missiles

[Hibrandenburg]

By handling the fall of the Soviet Union more coherently.

Many of the Central and Eastern European states that strived to join NATO, did so out of a fear of exactly that what is happening now. Can you blame them?

[cabbageandribs1875]

meanwhile in cyberland, Hacking group Anonymous have taken down the RT website and now have their sights(or PC's) set on Russia


a Ukranian hacking group have raised $600k for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, someone anonymously donated $140k from their bitcoin wallet


every little helps

[Hibrandenburg]

I honestly think he has. I just don’t see how he can take and hold Ukraine. I can see him getting to Kyiv but how does he then stay and try to govern? It seems mad.


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I was thinking similar in the build up. If prepared properly, it's much more effective to fight a defensive war against superior opposition. Could this be another Finland for the Russians? Once the Russian body count starts rising, that will change a lot of things back in Russia.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1497045920659423233?s=21

BREAKING: Ukraine government advisor says Kyiv is being hit with either cruise or ballistic missiles

Brutal

[Stairway 2 7]

Russian bombers in Ukraine airspace

Armoured offensive pushing in a pincer to take kiev

Illia Ponomarenko@IAPonomarenko · 2h🇺🇦
Ukraine’s Defense Ministry: Russia has sustained estimated 800 fatalities in combat

[Stairway 2 7]

Wonder if Russia will say anything against UK. As most of the tanks will have been hit with British anti tank and javelins, although UK might say defensive weapons

Arvydas Anušauskas
@a_anusauskas
·
1h
Russia has lost over 30 tanks, about 130 armoured vehicles, 7 aircraft and 6 helicopters overnight in Ukraine.

Unfortunately, Ukraine's struggle resulted in 137 casualties, including 10 officers. 316 people were wounded.

Our new aid to Ukraine is being transported

25582

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/25/boris-johnson-russian-money-britain-mafia-state-security?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1645769637

Johnson made a good start yesterday (ignoring Abramovich aside) but there is a lot of work to be done to clean up London.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Thread on yesterday although unfortunately it's bore true and heavy armour going in and close to Kyiv now.

Rob Lee
@RALee85
Of the things that have surprised me thus far, I thought we'd see heavier use of electronic warfare and cyber tools to disrupt Ukrainian command, control, and communications. I also feared we'd see a heavier use of fires, including MLRS blanketing areas with cluster munitions

Compared to its intervention in Syria, the Russian military appears to be taking more efforts to avoid civilian casualties, which tells us something about its ultimate goals. Russia lacks stockpiles of PGMs though, and if they go into cities, civilian casualties will increase

Obviously, Russia hopes that Ukraine or Zelensky will surrender without employing maximum force. The question is what would Russia be willing to do if Ukrainians continue to resist and start an insurgency in cities? 3/

One of my big questions is to what extent the Ukrainian military dispersed before this invasion, which made them less vulnerable to MLRS fire. I don't know, but that may be part of the reason the Ukrainian military was able to avoid catastrophic losses on day 1

Interestingly, I haven't much evidence of Russian UAVs playing a key role either. It seems as though Russian forces are operating in a more restrained fashion than I expected. Maybe Putin underestimated Ukrainian resistance or is more concerned with Russian domestic opinion?

The air assault operation also suggests that Russia thought it could possibly achieve a fait accompli without killing that many Ukrainian troops or civilians by making a lighting push into Kyiv with light forces. It seems clear now that they'll have to use armor to get there

The goals of the operation and the invasion routes are all the ones we expected, but I'm a little surprised about the way the Russian military is executing the plan. This isn't Crimea in 2014. So Russia will likely need to use more force than it expected to achieve its goals

The Ukrainian military can not prevent the Russian military from pushing farther into Ukraine. The question is whether Russian troops will go into cities and how bad that could get. It appears Russian forces are trying to bypass some cities, but probably not Kyiv

Unfortunately, I expect we'll see Russian forces escalate and use more force against the Ukrainian military.

A source familiar with tonight’s administration briefings to lawmakers tells CNN that officials believe Russia has been facing greater resistance from Ukrainian forces than anticipated. But officials did not say whether Kyiv would fall—still too early to say how it will play out

[Stairway 2 7]

Anastasiia Lapatina
@lapatina_
· 11m
BREAKING: Russians seized two Ukrainian military vehicles, put on Ukrainian uniform and are moving to the center of Kyiv. They are followed by a column of Russian military trucks

Michael A. Horowitz@michaelh992·6mReplying to @michaelh992Ukrainian Joint Forces Operation (Donbass) also reports that Russian forces are using this ⬇️ tactic, dressing in Ukrainian military uniforms and using vehicles used by the Ukrainian military

This is against the Geneva convention

[Pretty Boy]

Many of the Central and Eastern European states that strived to join NATO, did so out of a fear of exactly that what is happening now. Can you blame them?

It's all hypothetical as to what would have happened had European reconstruction been done differently post cold War through the 90s and 00s.

If you read Putin's comments over the last few days though, NATO is something of an afterthought. It's mentioned but the bulk of the content is classic ethnic nationalism. The madness of the break up of the Soviet Union, false states with no historic merit, uniting and liberating ethnic Russians, expanding Russian influence, Russia's entitlement as a great nation etc etc. We have heard that rhetoric a few times before in Europe and it rarely ends well.

Would a buffer zone of neutrality have dampened that desires in Putin and his inner circle? Or would they have simply found another pretext for invasion and expansion? Answers on a postcard.

I'm not blind to the hypocrisy of much of the west. Many in the US, UK and elsewhere would be quite happy to turn a blind eye or support action like this if it was them doing it. However it doesn't mean we have to rationalise or enter a plea in mitigation for Russia. Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, Estonia etc etc are sovereign states and have the right to seek integration where they want, not where Moscow dictates. Klitschko said it in his speech yesterday: 'we have chosen democracy, we have chosen Europe'.

[Sir David Gray]

Moldova and possibly the baltic countries?

I think Moldova is a distinct possibility but things would get really serious if he took on any of the Baltic states due to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania all being NATO members.

[Greencore]

meanwhile in cyberland, Hacking group Anonymous have taken down the RT website and now have their sights(or PC's) set on Russia


a Ukranian hacking group have raised $600k for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, someone anonymously donated $140k from their bitcoin wallet


every little helps

God bless /B/

[Sir David Gray]

Held talks with 🇬🇧 PM @BorisJohnson. Reported on the course of 🇺🇦’s defense and insidious attacks on Kyiv by the aggressor. Today 🇺🇦 needs the support of partners more than ever. We demand effective counteraction to the Russian Federation. Sanctions must be further strengthened.

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497117756734464022?t=MsIgPuOMt2hVgBHSmmw4sw&s=19

[Stairway 2 7]

Bit late surely, could be supplying a resistance soon

@aschultz
US considering joining the UK in supplying Ukraine with weapons. Speaker Pelosi saying agreement being made to send $600 million of lethal weapons

[Sir David Gray]

We've heard an extraordinary interview just now on Radio 4's Today with Ukrainian MP Sviatoslav Yurash. When asked what his plan was if Ukraine's army fails to face off Russia's invasion, the MP responded that he was staring at his personal AK-47 rifle.

"This is a full-scale invasion intending to destroy the Ukrainian state and take it over," Yurash says, adding that all Ukrainians who want to help fight will be given the chance to do so.

"We are arming people who will be taking that fight to the Russians in every way. We are a nation of 40 million people and we are not going to just stand idly by as Russia does as it wants all across its borders. We will fight with everything we have and all the support the world can provide us."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60517447?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62188712571bfc64f8e6546a%26Ukrainian%2 0MP%3A%20I%27m%20staring%20at%20my%20AK-47%20right%20now%262022-02-25T07%3A39%3A58.022Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:fb0bedbf-fa52-4439-9b5d-76dd18737364&pinned_post_asset_id=62188712571bfc64f8e6546a&pinned_post_type=share

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1497115396419117056?t=uCduPGjKjAnsMSrInh7SBg&s=19

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[Stairway 2 7]

Held talks with 🇬🇧 PM @BorisJohnson. Reported on the course of 🇺🇦’s defense and insidious attacks on Kyiv by the aggressor. Today 🇺🇦 needs the support of partners more than ever. We demand effective counteraction to the Russian Federation. Sanctions must be further strengthened.

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497117756734464022?t=MsIgPuOMt2hVgBHSmmw4sw&s=19

He's a brave lad, says he will stay in kiev today and risk capture rather than flee

[overdrive]

He's a brave lad, says he will stay in kiev today and risk capture rather than flee

Bet he’s wishing he’d stayed as the fictional President.

[Jones28]

Confused Trump believes US has invaded Ukraine in Fox call-in (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/confused-trump-believes-us-has-invaded-ukraine-in-fox-call-in/ar-AAUfV27?ocid=entnewsntp)

This is a new level of moron :faf:

[Stairway 2 7]

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·
4m
Ukrainian MOD is asking citizens to show up at gathering points with amateur drones, make Molotov cocktails, and report the movement of enemy forces.

[Stairway 2 7]

Nolan Peterson
@nolanwpeterson
·
2m
Russians are now in Kyiv, reports of fighting in Obolon

[Pretty Boy]

Confused Trump believes US has invaded Ukraine in Fox call-in (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/confused-trump-believes-us-has-invaded-ukraine-in-fox-call-in/ar-AAUfV27?ocid=entnewsntp)

This is a new level of moron :faf:

His comments last week on Putin summed him up 'I liked him, he liked me'.

No. He manipulated you. For all Putin's faults he's cunning and smart and he can spot a moron a mile away. He planned for someone like you to be US President one day, he literally put you or someone like you in place and he patronised you into believing he liked and respected you.

Only someone with an ego as monstrous and an intellect as limited as Trump would fail to sot that.

[Moulin Yarns]

I assumed he had completely lost it frankly. An interesting metaphor for the toothless western reaction to putin though.

Perhaps he was waiting to cross the road on the way to melville Street to protest?

[Stairway 2 7]

Michael A. Horowitz
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#Breaking Russia restricts the use of its airspace for British flights - decision by Rosaviatsiya (Russia's federal air transport agency

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