Ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

Germany giving more mlrs and France getting in the mlrs game too. I read Ukraine say that 30% of their advances in Kharkiv was due to German and UK mlrs. The US have just gave 4 more HIMARS today also

maria_drutska
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Ramstein format meeting:
Additional MARS MLRS and PzH 2000 in the next few weeks from Germany.

The Netherlands will give Ukraine anti-aircraft missiles worth 15 million euros.

France promised 3 LRU MLRS (modernized M270)

[Stairway 2 7]

We are fighting "people who want to see their children at gay parsdes" 😆 f sake

https://mobile.twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1580180348280840193

Biz_Ukraine_Mag
After failing to find any actual Nazis in Ukraine during the first eight months of their invasion, Russians are now being told they are fighting against Satanists and Gay Parades

[WhileTheChief..]

I listened to the entire interview and it was significantly more cautious than that, he was extremely clear that Russias military is still well supplied and stocked and represents a threat.

Bizarrely the news only played the little clip where he talked about low ammo and morale.

Most of his speech was focussed on China. It was really interesting hearing about things that I wouldn't even have thought of as threats.

He was pretty impressive i thought. Got to hope that out government listens to people like him and take the appropriate measures.

[Stairway 2 7]

The Associated Press
@AP
An
@AP
investigation found that officials have deported Ukrainian children to Russia or Russian-held territories without consent, lied to them that they were not wanted by their parents, used them for propaganda and given them Russian citizenship

https://apnews.com/article/ukrainian-children-russia-7493cb22c9086c6293c1ac7986d85ef6?taid=634803bd0c97 a30001d0193e&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

[Stairway 2 7]

Nato chief borrel has been doing press today. He saying nato won't retaliate with a nuke if Russia uses one. They will defeat the Russian military completely.


Edward Hunter Christie
@EHunterChristie
Borrel has stated:
"Any nuclear attack on Ukraine will bring a response, not a nuclear response, but a military response so powerful that the Russian army will be annihilated"

Getting clearer.
He'd have been authorized to say this.
If no screams by tomorrow AM, it's the line

[JeMeSouviens]

Nato chief borrel has been doing press today. He saying nato won't retaliate with a nuke if Russia uses one. They will defeat the Russian military completely.


Edward Hunter Christie
@EHunterChristie
Borrel has stated:
"Any nuclear attack on Ukraine will bring a response, not a nuclear response, but a military response so powerful that the Russian army will be annihilated"

Getting clearer.
He'd have been authorized to say this.
If no screams by tomorrow AM, it's the line

Josep Borrell is vice president of the EU commission with responsibility for foreign affairs. So he'll be plugged into NATO thinking but doesn't speak for them.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/why-ukraine-will-win/

Worth a read.

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[Ozyhibby]

Looks like the Russians are trying to evacuate citizens from Kherson. I would not be surprised if the are using this as cover for evacuating it’s own troops. They are likely to lose Kherson in next couple of weeks anyway.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Josep Borrell is vice president of the EU commission with responsibility for foreign affairs. So he'll be plugged into NATO thinking but doesn't speak for them.

Yep sorry your right. I was getting mixed up as he and stollenburg said similar at the same time. I fingers crossed don't think it will come to that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/nato-holds-nuclear-talks-amid-war-tensions-putin-91429572

[Stairway 2 7]

Looks like the Russians are trying to evacuate citizens from Kherson. I would not be surprised if the are using this as cover for evacuating it’s own troops. They are likely to lose Kherson in next couple of weeks anyway.


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Yep 20,000 troops trapped with no bridge. All that equipment will be captured as they won't be able to get it all on barges, certainly not with HIMARS waiting

Decent article here

https://www.ft.com/content/79ee35bf-08ca-4b58-aa29-fa02825e6585

Western military officials estimate Ukraine could take Kherson up to the Dnipro as soon as next week.

[AgentDaleCooper]

A Russian pal of mine (who is half Ukrainian) that lives in the UK - and is unequivocally anti-Putin - highly recommended this channel to me, thought it might be of interest on here: https://youtu.be/jT8M9sLsT6w

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1580800117250015232?s=46&t=q-mexZLbOEz5SjSw_KahJQ

All starting to turn on each other now.


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[Stairway 2 7]

These videos make me literally feel sick. Russia has been putting reports up on the news of Ukrainian children getting adopted by Russian parents. Utterly horrible. When those who preach realpolitik and Ukraine having to have talks basically giving up its land. This is what happens on the land the Russians
hold.

Remember if dnipro was taken and the start of the war, there is a good chance this would have happened to the dnipro kids, we were waving to on the pitch. This is happening today in Kherson as we sit and enjoy our Friday

https://mobile.twitter.com/IlvesToomas/status/1580649793839595520

https://youtu.be/IsxbIuCUhV8

[hibsbollah]

I hesitate to post this in case of finger pointing again, but since there WILL be occasions when the Russian forces DO have military successes mon the battlefield and they should be mentioned on this thread, if its going to be representative and accurate.

Summary of the Day So Far (The Guardian)

The UK Ministry of Defence says that “Russia continues to prosecute offensive operations in central Donbas and is, very slowly, making progress”. The ministry explained that, “in the last three days, pro-Russian forces have made tactical advances towards the centre of the town of Bakhmut in Donetsk Oblast” and “likely advanced into the villages of Opytine and Ivangrad to the south of the town.”

[DaveF]

I hesitate to post this in case of finger pointing again, but since there WILL be occasions when the Russian forces DO have military successes mon the battlefield and they should be mentioned on this thread, if its going to be representative and accurate.

Summary of the Day So Far (The Guardian)

The UK Ministry of Defence says that “Russia continues to prosecute offensive operations in central Donbas and is, very slowly, making progress”. The ministry explained that, “in the last three days, pro-Russian forces have made tactical advances towards the centre of the town of Bakhmut in Donetsk Oblast” and “likely advanced into the villages of Opytine and Ivangrad to the south of the town.”

You are being a bit daft with the sarky finger pointing stuff, given there was nothing but russian advances in the first month's of the war.

[Stairway 2 7]

I hesitate to post this in case of finger pointing again, but since there WILL be occasions when the Russian forces DO have military successes mon the battlefield and they should be mentioned on this thread, if its going to be representative and accurate.

Summary of the Day So Far (The Guardian)

The UK Ministry of Defence says that “Russia continues to prosecute offensive operations in central Donbas and is, very slowly, making progress”. The ministry explained that, “in the last three days, pro-Russian forces have made tactical advances towards the centre of the town of Bakhmut in Donetsk Oblast” and “likely advanced into the villages of Opytine and Ivangrad to the south of the town.”

In the last 28 days the aggregate for advancement is about 9000km squared to Ukraine. They have taken around 50 villages in eastern Kherson this week for example.

Russia has been putting everything into taking Bakhmut and military observers don't really understand why. It's not militarily significant but they are losing thousands of their best soldiers. Opytine has also been retaken by Ukraine. Its pretty much stalemate for 3 months. I think Russia will take Bakhmut as they are putting all of wagner and special forces into it. Unfortunately for them they are losing 100 times what they gain in other areas

@Tendar
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2h
Despite concentrating almost all of their special forces Russian troops at Bakhmut have severe problems taking grounds. Even after almost 3 months of fighting not one persistent Russian position can be reported inside. Now, Opytne has been liberated by AFU

[hibsbollah]

You are being a bit daft with the sarky finger pointing stuff, given there was nothing but russian advances in the first month's of the war.

Its very much not sarcasm.

[Stairway 2 7]

You are being a bit daft with the sarky finger pointing stuff, given there was nothing but russian advances in the first month's of the war.

Was going to say that. It's only the last month Ukraine has advanced. They and there country got destroyed for months. I remember they were in Kyiv and I was saying its inevitable Kyiv falls. Then we were sure at least all of east Ukraine falls. I don't know how but it amazingly seems Ukraine will get back its land, at least to 2021 borders anyway

[hibsbollah]

In the last 28 days the aggregate for advancement is about 9000km squared to Ukraine. They have taken around 50 villages in eastern Kherson this week for example.

Russia has been putting everything into taking Bakhmut and military observers don't really understand why. It's not militarily significant but they are losing thousands of their best soldiers. Opytine has also been retaken by Ukraine. Its pretty much stalemate for 3 months. I think Russia will take Bakhmut as they are putting all of wagner and special forces into it. Unfortunately for them they are losing 100 times what they gain in other areas

@Tendar
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2h
Despite concentrating almost all of their special forces Russian troops at Bakhmut have severe problems taking grounds. Even after almost 3 months of fighting not one persistent Russian position can be reported inside. Now, Opytne has been liberated by AFU

There is also suggestions that they are 'evacuating' key towns with pro Russian fighters starting with Kherson in order to create a new 'front' to defend.

[Stairway 2 7]

There is also suggestions that they are 'evacuating' key towns with pro Russian fighters starting with Kherson in order to create a new 'front' to defend.

Where on RT ha. You might not have seen but the two bridges going to Kherson city look like Swiss cheese. They can't bring over heavy equipment to start anything. There is 20,000 soldiers trapped, well probably a lot less than that because Ukraine has liberated half of it in the last fortnight. Only the most pro Russian source would say its anything other than inevitable Ukraine will take Kherson

[hibsbollah]

Where on RT ha. You might not have seen but the two bridges going to Kherson city look like Swiss cheese. They can't bring over heavy equipment to start anything. There is 20,000 soldiers trapped, well probably a lot less than that because Ukraine has liberated half of it in the last fortnight. Only the most pro Russian source would say its anything other than inevitable Ukraine will take Kherson

I was on the Guardian earlier :dunno: Suggesting i read RT is just childish. Why, and in what way is describing their potential military strategy, and what they are trying to do, is even showing any pro or anti anything? I never even mentioned success or otherwise in Kherson. You seem to be lost in some bizarre withchunt to find stuff that isnt there. I thought you had calmed down a few pages ago when someone else mentioned about fighting amongst ourselves but it continues with you. Its like this is your thread and no-one elses.

[Stairway 2 7]

Lots of sources saying Russia is pushing for a deal. Crimea off the table. Luhansk and donetsk to Russia, although Ukraine is making big advances into both. Erdoğan said similar. Think we know what the Ukrainians will say

@ABarbashin
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Meduza reports that Putin is ready to talk but "Crimea is not to be mentioned", "annexed territories in Donbas to stay in Russia".
Russia may withdraw from Kherson area.
Smells like Minsk III that would allow Putin to better train and equip mobilized thousands of Russians

[Stairway 2 7]

I was on the Guardian earlier :dunno: Suggesting i read RT is just childish. Why, and in what way is describing their potential military strategy, and what they are trying to do, is even showing any pro or anti anything? I never even mentioned success or otherwise in Kherson. You seem to be lost in some bizarre withchunt to find stuff that isnt there. I thought you had calmed down a few pages ago when someone else mentioned about fighting amongst ourselves but it continues with you. Its like this is your thread and no-one elses.

It's your thread too. Ukraine advanced 9000km and you weren't interested, pretty huge news. The last time you mentioned anything militarily it was when Russia took severodonetsk. It just why bring up Russia pushing from Kherson when it's obviously mental. They are trapped, there is two bridges both unusable and are basically defending and retreating at a great pace.

This thread was basically a commentary on Russian advances for the first two months, until it wasn't

[hibsbollah]

It's your thread too. Ukraine advanced 9000km and you weren't interested, pretty huge news. The last time you mentioned anything militarily it was when Russia took severodonetsk. It just why bring up Russia pushing from Kherson when it's obviously mental. They are trapped, there is two bridges both unusable and are basically defending and retreating at a great pace.

This thread was basically a commentary on Russian advances for the first two months, until it wasn't

What do you mean i wasn't 'interested'? What does that even mean? You don't police when and how often i post things, especially when other posters are doing the job. You're still suggesting I read Russia propaganda with no evidence. Its actually embarrassing the way you're conducting yourself.

[Stairway 2 7]

What do you mean i wasn't 'interested'? What does that even mean? You don't police when and how often i post things, especially when other posters are doing the job. You're still suggesting I read Russia propaganda with no evidence. Its actually embarrassing the way you're conducting yourself.

No I was saying that only something like rt would say Russia was going to start a front from Kherson, it literally makes zero sense. It's a bit like if someone said I read that rangers played good against Liverpool, I would counter where follow follow as its ludicrous

[hibsbollah]

No I was saying that only something like rt would say Russia was going to start a front from Kherson, it literally makes zero sense. It's a bit like if someone said I read that rangers played good against Liverpool, I would counter where follow follow as its ludicrous

OK, well complain to The Guardian then, not me or RT, this was how they trailed their ticker an hour or so ago, along with some analysis about how the Russians plan to regroup. Basically, you're wrong. And its a sign that you dont actually think about whats being posted, you just have a personal thing going on.

Summary of the day so far …

Russia announced it will evacuate residents from Kherson (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/13/russia-announces-kherson-evacuation-raising-fears-city-will-become-frontline) after an appeal from the Russian-installed head of the region, raising fears the occupied city at the heart of the south Ukrainian region will become a new frontline.

[Stairway 2 7]

Having read the guardian piece they aren't talking about starting a new front at all obviously. It's about defending Kherson city for when Ukraine inevitably pushes all the way there.

That front is already very much there and it's getting pushed back every day. The front line will be about 200 miles back from where it is today

They are having to regroup at a fast pace all the time, hence Ukraine getting all their ammo and weapons. Sort of regrouping whilst running for your life

[hibsbollah]

Having read the guardian piece they aren't talking about starting a new front at all obviously. It's about defending Kherson city for when Ukraine inevitably pushes all the way there.

That front is already very much there and it's getting pushed back every day. The front line will be about 200 miles back from where it is today

They are having to regroup at a fast pace all the time, hence Ukraine getting all their ammo and weapons. Sort of regrouping whilst running for your life

You're wrong. Its OK to be wrong. Its what makes us all human. I dont judge you for not just owning up to it. I assume lots of posters enjoy this thread and arent interested in you and me toing and froing, so i'll leave it at that.

[Ozyhibby]

At some point in the next couple of weeks the Russians will be gone from Kherson and this discussion be pointless.


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[Stairway 2 7]

You're wrong. Its OK to be wrong. Its what makes us all human. I dont judge you for not just owning up to it. I assume lots of posters enjoy this thread and arent interested in you and me toing and froing, so i'll leave it at that.

You said they were creating a new front whilst talking about Russian pushing on Bakhmut. Having read the article of course it's not a new front because the front has been there for 4 months. What they are creating is a defensive line miles back from the front, for when the front gets there. It's ominous news for Russia obviously. I mixed up the chief of nato and the EU yesterday quite a huge mistake, I've no problem with being wrong.

[Stairway 2 7]

At some point in the next couple of weeks the Russians will be gone from Kherson and this discussion be pointless.


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I was also wrong when you thought Ukraine could win this well over a month before I did. But yes pointless and thankfully Kherson looks inevitable. That will come with thousands of lives lost on both sides so hardly a effortless win

[Stairway 2 7]

They didn't want to destroy Ukraine just annexe it and Moldova

@maxseddon
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Putin says 220,000 Russians have been drafted into the army and the mobilization drive will be over "in two weeks

Asked if Ukraine and Russia will continue to exist as states after the war, Putin says: "We never set ourselves the goal of destroying Ukraine."

He adds a there is "no need for massive airstrikes" on Ukraine after Monday's. "For now. Then we'll see

[Stairway 2 7]

Quite interesting this actually. A HARM missile found in belgograd Russia. This is an American missile used inside Russia

https://mobile.twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1580221435506663426

[Stairway 2 7]

Great simple war update

Michael Weiss 🌻🇺🇸🇮🇪
5m

Latest update from "Karl," the Estonian military analyst. With @holger_r:

"Main point of focus should be in Luhansk and Kherson where it is a question of 1-2 weeks when the next Russian defense lines should break. It’s only a matter of time."
"It is doubtful that the collapse would lead to Ukraine taking Kherson on the west bank of the Dnipro river but they would get to the vicinities of the city. Russia will likely make an attempt to still keep the city for a while."

Russia has made a small advance in Bakhmut but compared to what Ukraine has been reclaiming, it is like the Vatican and Italy. It would still be a long way for Russia to advance to Kramatorsk and Slovyansk from Bakhmut."

"Considering that Russia has advanced there only 5-6 km over several months, there’s not too much concern yet. Ukraine should get their artillery reinforcement there and that will help get the initiative back."
"When Russia started the advance on Bakhmut they still controlled Izyum. That would’ve allowed to put pressure on Kramatorsk from two different directions. They don’t have such a possibility anymore."

"The main motivator for the rocket fire on Kyiv and other cities this week was Russia’s dire situation on the frontlines. The Kerch bridge came only as a secondary reason, which helped prove to the home audience that they indeed are doing something."
"The rocket attacks were uncomfortable but the effect would’ve been much larger if they’d have done it when the real heating season began. Ukraine itself assesses that Russia still has around 600 precision missile left. How reasonable is it to use 80-100 in one such attack?"

"The Kerch bridge explosion caused a lot of damage. The renovation is intended to finish only by July next year. This means that Russian logistics on the southern front will be deeply impacted for months."
"It will become evident after a few weeks when the supplies that already are in Crimea start to become depleted."

"A noteworthy detail about the bridge: you can see that some spans broke up because of poor construction, not directly because of the explosion. It indicates how much money was stolen from the construction project. (Constructed by Putin’s very close friend Rotenberg.)"
"I assess that there won’t be an attack from Belarus coming anytime soon. It’s an information operation to keep the Ukrainians on their toes and tie up some of their units. It’d be a suicide for Lukasheko."

Ukraine itself assessed a few days ago that there were only around 1,000 Russian troops in Belarus. In fact, Russia has taken both equipment and ammunition away from Belarus to Donbas."

"A recent trend is Russians capitulating in small units. The latest news is 27 soldiers surrendering near Kreminna. This indicates they are totally without equipment and lack the support of artillery and airforce. That’s when such decisions to surrender are taken."
"The high days of Iranian drones are over. The percentage of the drones taken down is already at 80-90%. Noteworthy that during the missile attacks this week Ukrainians only managed to intercept 50%. Usually the rate is somewhere around 65-75%..."
"... When the next day the number of missile coming in was smaller, that rate was back to normal again."
"Russia itself is afraid of Ukraine advancing across the Dnipro river and starting an offensive from the left bank as well. I don't see that as likely (see above) "but it keeps the option open – Ukraine has managed to make surprise moves, as we know."

"If that were to happen, the entire southern defense would collapse. Ukraine would be in the range to hit the Kerch bridge every day as much as they please."

[Stairway 2 7]

There was a viral video of an 11 year old boy getting rescued from the rubble of his house yesterday. He was conscious and able to hug his mum, unfortunately the wee man never made it

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1580847548532953088


Richard Engel
@RichardEngel
The father of the 11 year old boy Artem, rescued from the rubble of his home in Mykolaiv tells
@NBCNews
his son died late last night from heart failure. Another victim of a Russian missile strike. He was trapped under rubble, cold, legs broken, for 7hrs before he was pulled out

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2022/10/14/united-nations-rape-is-part-of-russias-military-strategy/amp/

On October 13, Pramila Patten, Representative of the U.N. Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, confirmed that rape is part of Russia’s “military strategy” and a “deliberate tactic to dehumanize the victims.” She emphasized that “when women are held for days and raped, when you start to rape little boys and men, when you see a series of genital mutilations, when you hear women testify about Russian soldiers equipped with Viagra, it's clearly a military strategy.”

According to Patten, the United Nations managed to verify more than a hundred cases of rape or sexual assault in Ukraine since Russia invaded in February 2022. The data obtained to date suggests that the age of the victims of sexual violence ranges from four to 82 years old. The victims are mostly women and girls, but also men and boys. Patten added that “it's very difficult to have reliable statistics during an active conflict, and the numbers will never reflect reality, because sexual violence is a silent crime.” As such, as she noted, “reported cases are only the tip of the iceberg

[Stairway 2 7]

Interview with a few of the 400,000 men who have fled Russia

https://mobile.twitter.com/dwnews/status/1581166732156076033

[Stairway 2 7]

2 Tajikistani men killed a number of recruits at a training centre in Belgorod, Russia saying 11 others 22

https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1581407586091663360

[Just Alf]

"Russian soldiers have shot dead a Ukrainian musician in his home after he refused to take part in a concert in occupied Kherson, according to the culture ministry in Kyiv.

Conductor Yuriy Kerpatenko declined to take part in a concert “intended by the occupiers to demonstrate the so-called ‘improvement of peaceful life’ in Kherson”, the ministry said in a statement on its Facebook page.

The concert on 1 October was intended to feature the Gileya chamber orchestra, of which Kerpatenko was the principal conductor, but he “categorically refused to cooperate with the occupants”, the statement said."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/16/russian-troops-kill-ukrainian-musician-yuriy-kerpatenko-for-refusing-role-in-kherson-concert

[WhileTheChief..]

Good article.

Another reminder of the absolute atrocities these **** are carrying out on a daily basis against every aspect of UKR society.

This isn’t all on Putin. It just seems to be the Russian way for so many of them. They don’t value the lives of others at all. Way too many of them accept this kind of stuff.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Good article.

Another reminder of the absolute atrocities these **** are carrying out on a daily basis against every aspect of UKR society.

This isn’t all on Putin. It just seems to be the Russian way for so many of them. They don’t value the lives of others at all. Way too many of them accept this kind of stuff.
Of course it's not just all on Putin, but it's also utterly wrong and actually dangerous to generalise like that. It's this kind of perception that motivates me to try to illustrate the shades of grey, talk about Azov battalion etc. - i'll spare you just now, but suffice to say, there are elements in every country that don't value the lives of others at all, but we that shouldn't allow us to tar entire peoples with that brush.

[Stairway 2 7]

Soldiers are trained to kill and come from all walks of life. You need a huge support system to keep them in line and within the law as you can manage. You also need a system to keep them mentally healthy.

Most western nations spend a lot of time and money on this. Russia on the other hand obviously doesn't care. So the rape rather being individual cases in other wars is systematic and weaponised. If you excuse and try to cover up your war crimes it gives your soldiers a free reign.

If people who say they like to bring up Gray areas in this war don't admit the war crimes are massively massively one sided. Then they are either misinformed or malicious. I'd guess the first. I'd follow people like human rights watch, bellingcat and un human rights department. They have been doing this for years and are impartial. I'd be stunned if they tally up war crimes at even a 10 to 1 level.

Worse than the soldiers committing war crimes is the leaders. One side is trying to minimise casualties, the other is using the publics death as a weapon.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Soldiers are trained to kill and come from all walks of life. You need a huge support system to keep them in line and within the law as you can manage. You also need a system to keep them mentally healthy.

Most western nations spend a lot of time and money on this. Russia on the other hand obviously doesn't care. So the rape rather being individual cases in other wars is systematic and weaponised. If you excuse and try to cover up your war crimes it gives your soldiers a free reign.

If people who say they like to bring up Gray areas in this war don't admit the war crimes are massively massively one sided. Then they are either misinformed or malicious. I'd guess the first. I'd follow people like human rights watch, bellingcat and un human rights department. They have been doing this for years and are impartial. I'd be stunned if they tally up war crimes at even a 10 to 1 level.

Worse than the soldiers committing war crimes is the leaders. One side is trying to minimise casualties, the other is using the publics death as a weapon.

I agree with you - but implying that is inherent to the Russian people is equally misinformed xenophobic horse ****. It might be inherent to the Russian military system, but not to the people. Again, i'm not going to get into the Azov Batallion stuff, but suffice to say that if the boot was on the other foot, i would not like to be in a village invaded by them.

If you start conflating warring countries with the humanity of the people within those countries, you are ultimately helping to set the stage for a far greater conflict that would likely kill all of us.

[Stairway 2 7]

I agree with you - but implying that is inherent to the Russian people is equally misinformed xenophobic horse ****. It might be inherent to the Russian military system, but not to the people. Again, i'm not going to get into the Azov Batallion stuff, but suffice to say that if the boot was on the other foot, i would not like to be in a village invaded by them.

If you start conflating warring countries with the humanity of the people within those countries, you are ultimately helping to set the stage for a far greater conflict that would likely kill all of us.

It's obviously not ingrained by nature into one set of people that's mental. These young poor men from minorities in Russia are being used as pawns. They are being given a free reign to commit genocide by a bunch of evil bs. Unfortunately as it is Putin sitting down to talks that doesn't involve him annexing Ukraine is pie in the sky. So Unfortunately it needs done on the battlefield. These poor men will pay the price but hopefully if the west got its act in gear and sent everything it would be quick and at a minimal cost

[Ozyhibby]

I agree with you - but implying that is inherent to the Russian people is equally misinformed xenophobic horse ****. It might be inherent to the Russian military system, but not to the people. Again, i'm not going to get into the Azov Batallion stuff, but suffice to say that if the boot was on the other foot, i would not like to be in a village invaded by them.

If you start conflating warring countries with the humanity of the people within those countries, you are ultimately helping to set the stage for a far greater conflict that would likely kill all of us.

I’m certain he is not saying Russian people are born that way. It’s the system they have developed that has made them this way. Enough Russians are willing to turn a blind eye for the system to continue.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/gicariana/status/1381666066338877443?s=12


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jimmysecuk/status/1581636027487178754?s=46&t=EBcbgcuw7zOl7Lt-5WMFjA

Ukrainians are very quick at fixing things.[emoji122][emoji106]


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/gicariana/status/1381666066338877443?s=12


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We've seen similar scenes in this country and likely everywhere else in the world. People are *****.

[judas]

https://twitter.com/jimmysecuk/status/1581636027487178754?s=46&t=EBcbgcuw7zOl7Lt-5WMFjA

Ukrainians are very quick at fixing things.[emoji122][emoji106]


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It is interesting to see the before and after photos. But they have mixed them up?

[WhileTheChief..]

Of course it's not just all on Putin, but it's also utterly wrong and actually dangerous to generalise like that. It's this kind of perception that motivates me to try to illustrate the shades of grey, talk about Azov battalion etc. - i'll spare you just now, but suffice to say, there are elements in every country that don't value the lives of others at all, but we that shouldn't allow us to tar entire peoples with that brush.

I never mentioned 'entire peoples', i said 'so many of them'. It was a short post so not sure how you made that mistake?

That's a huge difference between what you think i said and what I actually did say. I stick by it.

Why would you bring up Azov's battalion when we're talking about Russian atrocities? I'm focussing on them and nothing more.

Nothing I say on here is dangerous in the slightest.

[Jones28]

Just seen a drone attack killed a young, pregnant couple in Kyiv today.

Iranian drones? Why are they not getting punished for supplying weapons to Russia?

[Stairway 2 7]

Just seen a drone attack killed a young, pregnant couple in Kyiv today.

Iranian drones? Why are they not getting punished for supplying weapons to Russia?

USA set to announce sanctions on Iran and EU say they are just collating the evidence before doing the same.

Irans mullahs seem to be self imploding this month

[hibsbollah]

Just seen a drone attack killed a young, pregnant couple in Kyiv today.

Iranian drones? Why are they not getting punished for supplying weapons to Russia?

You mean international sanctions? Probably the same reasons why we freely supply arms to the Saudis blowing up kids in Yemen, or the Americans arm Israel to the teeth or countless other similar examples. There’s profit in war machinery.

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/ChrisDYork/status/1581882105566760961?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

It's a sorry state of affairs, whichever way we look at it.

[WhileTheChief..]

Just seen a drone attack killed a young, pregnant couple in Kyiv today.

Iranian drones? Why are they not getting punished for supplying weapons to Russia?

Israeli MPs saying they should now be donating air defence systems to UKR.

With the way things are going in Iran, things could escalate.

[Stairway 2 7]

Israeli MPs saying they should now be donating air defence systems to UKR.

With the way things are going in Iran, things could escalate.

Israeli government said after that they won't send deadly weapons but will continue humanitarian aid.

NATO said today they are sending 200 anti drone weapons

[Stairway 2 7]

Big advances on the Kherson front over the last 2 days, supposedly 30km from the city to the north

mjluxmoore
Wall Street journal
23m
Kherson is deporting residents from the right bank of the Dnieper ahead of a Ukrainian advance. Early to tell but after new Russian commander Surovikin’s speech today, signs are increasingly pointing to a Russian withdrawal from the city, and possibly a major Ukrainian victory

[Smartie]

Big advances on the Kherson front over the last 2 days, supposedly 30km from the city to the north

mjluxmoore
Wall Street journal
23m
Kherson is deporting residents from the right bank of the Dnieper ahead of a Ukrainian advance. Early to tell but after new Russian commander Surovikin’s speech today, signs are increasingly pointing to a Russian withdrawal from the city, and possibly a major Ukrainian victory

Currently rumours that they may be about to blow up the reservoir near there though?

[Smartie]

Big advances on the Kherson front over the last 2 days, supposedly 30km from the city to the north

mjluxmoore
Wall Street journal
23m
Kherson is deporting residents from the right bank of the Dnieper ahead of a Ukrainian advance. Early to tell but after new Russian commander Surovikin’s speech today, signs are increasingly pointing to a Russian withdrawal from the city, and possibly a major Ukrainian victory

Currently rumours that they may be about to blow up the reservoir near there though?

[Stairway 2 7]

Currently rumours that they may be about to blow up the reservoir near there though?

Russia are saying Ukraine will blow it up, which is the reason the are evacuating all the public to crimea. Its just an excuse to explain them retreating so far. Could see Russia bombing it to explain the loss of what would basically be a whole region to Ukraine, one that's just supposedly been annexed to Russia

[Stairway 2 7]

Never mind Bakhmut or towns this would be huge. Russia looking downbeat about loosing one of the four Oblasts they annexed last month. Russia will react in the usual way when they are being hammered militarily, take it out on civilians

KevinRothrock
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Meanwhile, Russian General Sergey “Armageddon” Surovikin sounds even more pessimistic, warning that “difficult decisions” lie ahead regarding the city of Kherson itself, as Ukraine’s counteroffensive nears. Future plans depend on “the emerging military-tactical situation

[StevieC]

Losing Kherson city is a long way off losing Kherson oblast.
I said before this escalation started that this was all about the land bridge to Crimea. Kherson itself, and anything north of the Dniepr, can be sacrificed to consolidate that land bridge.

Things will start to get hairy when Ukraine gets close to breaking the main Russian objective.

[Stairway 2 7]

Losing Kherson city is a long way off losing Kherson oblast.
I said before this escalation started that this was all about the land bridge to Crimea. Kherson itself, and anything north of the Dniepr, can be sacrificed to consolidate that land bridge.

Things will start to get hairy when Ukraine gets close to breaking the main Russian objective.

Think they are saying there is no natural defence all the way to crimea once across the river, mainly farmland. Once they are across the river they can stop the water supply to crimea at nova kakhova


It'll be hard for them to explain away losing Kherson city, but I agree once they get close to crimea they will throw everything.

[AgentDaleCooper]

If Ukraine reach Crimea and push into it, i dreas to think what attrocities Russia will commit.

[Stairway 2 7]

If Ukraine reach Crimea and push into it, i dreas to think what attrocities Russia will commit.

Be interesting to see what other nations say if Ukraine are close to pushing on it. Scholz and Biden have said crimea is a legitimate target for Ukraine in the last few months.

[Stairway 2 7]

Russian opposition perform one of the largest cyber attacks Russia has seen

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1582648226225610753

Gerashchenko_en
One of largest security breaches in Russian history, responsibility claimed by National Republican Army (🇷🇺 opposition).

Hackers retrieved 1,2 TB+ of sensitive information from Technoserv, largest 🇷🇺 system intergrator that works with 🇷🇺 authorities.

Important part of cyber war

[Hibs4185]

I was reading about Ben Wallace making an emergency visit to Washington last night and there seemed to be lots of stories about Putin detonating a nuclear bomb in the Black Sea as a deterrent.

Along with the attacks on civilian infrastructure and the nuclear threats, I really hope we step up with all the support Ukraine needs and crush Putin once and for all.

[AgentDaleCooper]

I was reading about Ben Wallace making an emergency visit to Washington last night and there seemed to be lots of stories about Putin detonating a nuclear bomb in the Black Sea as a deterrent.

Along with the attacks on civilian infrastructure and the nuclear threats, I really hope we step up with all the support Ukraine needs and crush Putin once and for all.

I think things are going to get quite scary between now and Christmas

[Ozyhibby]

I think things are going to get quite scary between now and Christmas

People should be scared. This is a very serious situation and has been since Feb. Our support for Ukraine needs to be increased.


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[Stairway 2 7]

I was reading about Ben Wallace making an emergency visit to Washington last night and there seemed to be lots of stories about Putin detonating a nuclear bomb in the Black Sea as a deterrent.

Along with the attacks on civilian infrastructure and the nuclear threats, I really hope we step up with all the support Ukraine needs and crush Putin once and for all.

It was a sun unnamed source that said Wallace was going to the US to talk about nuclear use. US have came out since and said they have seen no visible signs of nuclear escalation. They said Wallace has came to discuss a new package of air defense and Irans involvement

[WhileTheChief..]

Sky News reporting that the RAF have surveillance planes now flying in circles above the Black Sea to hoover up intel from the Crimea and Kherson areas.

Saying they can monitor mobile phone calls and all sorts of communications. Pretty cool stuff.

[Stairway 2 7]

Putin has announced martial law in the 4 annexed oblasts. Does mean too much as they were already under military rule. But he can legally conscript every male

[Stairway 2 7]

Sky News reporting that the RAF have surveillance planes now flying in circles above the Black Sea to hoover up intel from the Crimea and Kherson areas.

Saying they can monitor mobile phone calls and all sorts of communications. Pretty cool stuff.

Been doing that pretty much non stop since Feb, US and EU too. Also refuelling Ukrainian fighters mid air in nato airspace.

Can see it on flight radar live, pretty amazing to see in real time

[Lendo]

Sky News reporting that the RAF have surveillance planes now flying in circles above the Black Sea to hoover up intel from the Crimea and Kherson areas.

Saying they can monitor mobile phone calls and all sorts of communications. Pretty cool stuff.

Theres been a US Global Hawk drone visible on FlightRadar most days since the conflict started called FORTE11. Stays in international airspace in the Black Sea. Guessing the US want the Russians to know it’s there and watching every move the Black Sea Fleet make.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Dictator Erdogan helping out Dictator Putin

Erdogan confirms agreement with Putin for Turkey to serve as gas export hub (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/erdogan-confirms-agreement-with-putin-for-turkey-to-serve-as-gas-export-hub/ar-AA138zNv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0f612f3640a34da1ac18e28e540f6814)

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/golub/status/1583002109485940736?s=46&t=KznHm98fRSrB41bWziTY_g

How low are these helicopters flying to avoid air defence.[emoji102]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bealejonathan/status/1582978129043210240?s=46&t=KznHm98fRSrB41bWziTY_g

Brilliant reporting.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/chriso_wiki/status/1583513294664785920?s=46&t=mmhXFxvhDjga2PCnzFZX8Q

Life of a mobilised soldier.


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[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/maksymeristavi/status/1583420046231339008?s=46&t=usANMbNHMkKfqH5QLg4bTA

No words. Just none.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1583915862624735232?s=46&t=rN6gNxdqb1emXlYNaaqYOQ
Let’s hope so.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[DaveF]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1583915862624735232?s=46&t=rN6gNxdqb1emXlYNaaqYOQ
Let’s hope so.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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I don't have a Twitter account so can't see the original content. What is it about?

[stokesmessiah]

I don't have a Twitter account so can't see the original content. What is it about?

Kherson has been lost and the stuck russsians have no means of escape….

[Stairway 2 7]

Kherson collapsing from the east. Seems inevitable now. The question is how many of the 20,000 troops will escape with no available bridges out. How much equipment can they get over the river in barges

https://mobile.twitter.com/TallbarFIN/status/1583853020126683137

[Andy Bee]

Sky News reporting that the RAF have surveillance planes now flying in circles above the Black Sea to hoover up intel from the Crimea and Kherson areas.

Saying they can monitor mobile phone calls and all sorts of communications. Pretty cool stuff.


You think Putin reads Hibs net?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/russian-fighter-jet-fires-missile-near-raf-plane-over-black-sea/

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/maria_drutska/status/1584218294856187904?cxt=HHwWgICg-aiJo_wrAAAA


Interesting.

[greenlex]

You think Putin reads Hibs net?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/russian-fighter-jet-fires-missile-near-raf-plane-over-black-sea/
Ill only believe it if he tweets about how poor Joe Newel is.

[Hibbyradge]

Ill only believe it if he tweets about how poor Joe Newel is.

Or admits that he wants entertainment no matter the results

[Bostonhibby]

You think Putin reads Hibs net?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/russian-fighter-jet-fires-missile-near-raf-plane-over-black-sea/Boys a jambo, good mates with mad Vladimir Romanov.

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[BS44]

https://twitter.com/maria_drutska/status/1584218294856187904?cxt=HHwWgICg-aiJo_wrAAAA


Interesting.

The Ukrainian energy minister was on Hard Talk the other morning, they were talking about air defence systems and the Israeli Iron Dome. Now that Iran are involved in the war, Ukraine are hopeful that maybe Israel may supply them with the Iron Dome.

[Stairway 2 7]

Amazing work as usual from bellingcat and das speigel, uncovering and confronting the team who programme Russias cruise missiles

https://mobile.twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1584631256436047872

[cabbageandribs1875]

what a vile human being :bitchy: (1) Julia Davis on Twitter: "Meanwhile on Russia's state-funded RT, director of broadcasting Anton Krasovsky suggests drowning or burning Ukrainian children, makes hideous comments about the rapes by Russian soldiers in Ukraine, says Ukraine should not exist and Ukrainians who resist Russia should be shot. https://t.co/BGIaBNok4v" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504)


apparently RT have suspended him today

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1584758375421972480?s=46&t=KO_jZXN9oeEjHKFKlJV01Q

86% of Ukrainians against negotiating with Russia. These people know who they are dealing with.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1584758375421972480?s=46&t=KO_jZXN9oeEjHKFKlJV01Q

86% of Ukrainians against negotiating with Russia. These people know who they are dealing with.


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Still some in the West prefer to tell them what they should think and what they should do. Now the Ukrainians are armed no one will stop them getting their country back

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1584948467377610754?s=46&t=nMWa-wzGN2MIMRioqIvZsw

Good to see. The letter was an embarrassment.


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[Smartie]

Big fire in St Petersburg right now apparently.

[greenlex]

Or admits that he wants entertainment no matter the results
Zactly.:greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

How will winter effect the two armies

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-general-winter-is-about-to-arrive-this-time-its-not-good-news-for-the-russian-army-193247

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1585300780210212865?s=46&t=07zVjVaRTWi4sSPi_fVWgg

To think that there are people out there who think you can still negotiate with Putin.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/10/26/written-off-in-advance

Interesting read on what the Russian conscripts are experiencing.


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[Smartie]

Obviously I wouldn't have expected anything else but this speech of Putin's is quite the pile of nonsense.

[StevieC]

Obviously I wouldn't have expected anything else but this speech of Putin's is quite the pile of nonsense.

Pushing the U.S. to put pressure on Ukraine to broker a peace deal 🙄

I wonder if that peace deal would be Ukraine getting back all their territory (pre-2014) or whether it would mean them giving up the 4 oblasts where Russia are getting their ***** handed to them on a plate? 🤔

[Ryan91]

Pushing the U.S. to put pressure on Ukraine to broker a peace deal 🙄

I wonder if that peace deal would be Ukraine getting back all their territory (pre-2014) or whether it would mean them giving up the 4 oblasts where Russia are getting their ***** handed to them on a plate? 🤔

Why should Ukraine (or anyone else for that matter) trust anything Putin says? Said he wouldn't invade, and then promptly did

[Stairway 2 7]

Surprisingly small amount to destroy a third of Russias army, seeing as US defence budget is $730 billion a year. I'm sure they could finish it in days, they have 600 HIMARS instead of Ukraines 20 for example. I think they are giving just enough for Ukraine to completely destroy its military completely

LucasFoxNews
Military aid pledges to Ukraine:
United States: $27.6B
United Kingdom: $3.74B
EU Institutions: $2.5B
Poland: $1.8B
Germany: $1.2B
France: $0.22B

Source: Kiel Institute

[H18 SFR]

Why should Ukraine (or anyone else for that matter) trust anything Putin says? Said he wouldn't invade, and then promptly did

Exactly. Can’t see any kind of peace deal holding - once Putin regroups and restrengthens he’s going to be back invading. Whether that be in 1, 2, 5 or 10 years.

[Bristolhibby]

Exactly. Can’t see any kind of peace deal holding - once Putin regroups and restrengthens he’s going to be back invading. Whether that be in 1, 2, 5 or 10 years.

Agreed. They have to be destroyed in the field. Make any future Russian thought be of the memory of utter humiliation.

Nothing else will do. The West needs to keep pouring in weapons and training at an even bigger rate.

I do fear a return of Trump though. He’s in Putins pocket.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

Agreed. They have to be destroyed in the field. Make any future Russian thought be of the memory of utter humiliation.

Nothing else will do. The West needs to keep pouring in weapons and training at an even bigger rate.

I do fear a return of Trump though. He’s in Putins pocket.

J

Support seems broad between rep and dems just now. But totally agree they need it done before Trump can come in and back his fellow nutjob

[Stairway 2 7]

Very cool footage of a Ukrainian unmanned boat hitting another Ukrainian war ship last night, more explosions tonight in Crimea supposedly too

https://mobile.twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1586354919992279041

In response Russia will stop allowing grain to be sent from the black sea without attack.

@Faytuks
·
Russia has suspended participation in the deal to export agricultural produce from Ukrainian ports following attacks on ships in Crimea - #Russia's Defense Ministry

[tamig]

Very cool footage of a Ukrainian unmanned boat hitting another Ukrainian war ship last night, more explosions tonight in Crimea supposedly too

https://mobile.twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1586354919992279041

In response Russia will stop allowing grain to be sent from the black sea without attack.

@Faytuks
·
Russia has suspended participation in the deal to export agricultural produce from Ukrainian ports following attacks on ships in Crimea - #Russia's Defense Ministry

A Russian warship surely?

[Stairway 2 7]

A Russian warship surely?

Aye small difference ha, really need to proof read sorry Russian

[Kato]

As well as the Tories thread I suppose this should be posted here too. The UK Foreign Secretary's phone hacked and a years info downloaded by suspected agents of Putin. Covered up by the last Prime Minister but one.

https://twitter.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1586399918620835840?t=CNqKYSwSbkvSfYs9sWuZ-g&s=19

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[DaveF]

Russia hammering the power and water infrastructure again today with more missiles launched at large cities

[Stairway 2 7]

Turkey and Ukraine are calling Russias bluff and are sending boats. Will Russia hit a civilian grain boat. It certainly won't hit a Turkish nato ship.

@stefwolff
·
1h
U.N., Turkey, Ukraine press ahead with Black Sea grain deal despite Russian pullout https://reuters.com/world/europe/un-turkey-ukraine-press-ahead-with-black-sea-grain-deal-despite-russian-pullout-2022-10-31/


AFP
·
1h
#BREAKING Two ships loaded with grain leave Ukraine: marine traffic website

[Ozyhibby]

Turkey and Ukraine are calling Russias bluff and are sending boats. Will Russia hit a civilian grain boat. It certainly won't hit a Turkish nato ship.

@stefwolff
·
1h
U.N., Turkey, Ukraine press ahead with Black Sea grain deal despite Russian pullout https://reuters.com/world/europe/un-turkey-ukraine-press-ahead-with-black-sea-grain-deal-despite-russian-pullout-2022-10-31/


AFP
·
1h
#BREAKING Two ships loaded with grain leave Ukraine: marine traffic website

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221031/4c805fba113456beeea66ea01c17498e.jpg
Best not to mess with the Turks.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1587090621101113347?s=46&t=LQOH5IXSlT93jxWPIC1Jow

It’s all Ross and Rachel’s fault.[emoji102][emoji23]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1587090621101113347?s=46&t=LQOH5IXSlT93jxWPIC1Jow

It’s all Ross and Rachel’s fault.[emoji102][emoji23]


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They seem to be on a war path against lgbt and wokeness recently, clowns

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-duma-tightens-lgbtq-law-amid-war-in-ukraine/a-63570996

Russia: Duma tightens LGBTQ law amid war in Ukraine

Moscow is pressing a conservative drive at home by tightening the legislation around what authorities call "gay propaganda" and instilling patriotism in schools

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I know it's slightly verging away from the topic but the propagandist that recently got suspended from RT has got quite the back story...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHohDaS4yb0

[Stairway 2 7]

Pretty much because Turkey and Ukraine called their bluff and just continued anyway. The usual threats from Moscow and the 50th red line that was crossed without action

Archer83Able
·
5h
#BREAKING: Turkish President Erdogan announced that the "grain corridor" in the Black Sea will resume; an agreement has been reached during talks with Russian Defense Minister Shoigu

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/tarasberezovets/status/1587896275164631041?s=46&t=fn9jzEGUOPJ4NmUCK_Pt1w


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/tarasberezovets/status/1587896275164631041?s=46&t=fn9jzEGUOPJ4NmUCK_Pt1w


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They really banked on it being a cold winter so they had one thing to brag about. In the meantime there is too much gas in European supplies and prices are near pre war

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1588102845483589640?s=46&t=hkAi9xPJSrqDu8wP89PfWw

Lots of chat online this morning that the Russians have fled Kherson without a fight. [emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]
Please let this be true.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://samf.substack.com/p/why-putin-prefers-war-war-to-jaw?utm_source=twitter&sd=pf

Why negotiation is impossible just now.


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[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1588102845483589640?s=46&t=hkAi9xPJSrqDu8wP89PfWw

Lots of chat online this morning that the Russians have fled Kherson without a fight. [emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]
Please let this be true.


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Why do I have the words of Admiral Ackbar ringing in my ears?

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1588102845483589640?s=46&t=hkAi9xPJSrqDu8wP89PfWw

Lots of chat online this morning that the Russians have fled Kherson without a fight. [emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]
Please let this be true.


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They have been leaving for the last two weeks. All administration of Kherson region have moved to the Black Seacoast. They have set up pillboxes and defenses inside the city this week, which tells you they know its inevitable Ukraine reaches them

[LunasBoots]

Lots of talk of how the British Soecial Forces are involved, its hardly news is it, it's not like the goverment will ever admit what the secret division are upto in and around Ukraine.

[Stairway 2 7]

Lots of talk of how the British Soecial Forces are involved, its hardly news is it, it's not like the goverment will ever admit what the secret division are upto in and around Ukraine.

There is zero chance British, German or US ect forces are on the ground, it would be a ridiculously stupid risk. They are training Ukrainian forces and special forces in the uk and Germany. Even when delivering weapons they drop them in east Poland and make Ukraine cross into Poland as to make sure no forces are in Ukraine.

They will also be sharing surveillance and satellite imagery ect pretty much everything but troops. The whole point of special forces is to be in difficult areas, the idea they would risk a uk soldier being captured or killed is wild

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ukraine Government has branded Jeremy Corbyn one of Putin's 'useful idiots' because Corbyn is a guest speaking at this event in New York in a couple of weeks Saturday, Nov. 19 in NYC -- The Real Path to peace in Ukraine: Negotiations, yes! Escalation, no! - ANSWER Coalition (https://www.answercoalition.org/saturday_nov_19_in_nyc_the_real_path_to_peace_in_u kraine)



We, people of conscience, are coming together to demand that there be a radical shift in the direction of US military and foreign policy. NATO expansion must end.Money must be spent on education, healthcare, and housing, not the war machine.We demand peace, not war. Join us!


hopefully they will also speak out against Iran giving Russia Drones/whatever

[Hibrandenburg]

Ukraine Government has branded Jeremy Corbyn one of Putin's 'useful idiots' because Corbyn is a guest speaking at this event in New York in a couple of weeks Saturday, Nov. 19 in NYC -- The Real Path to peace in Ukraine: Negotiations, yes! Escalation, no! - ANSWER Coalition (https://www.answercoalition.org/saturday_nov_19_in_nyc_the_real_path_to_peace_in_u kraine)



We, people of conscience, are coming together to demand that there be a radical shift in the direction of US military and foreign policy. NATO expansion must end.Money must be spent on education, healthcare, and housing, not the war machine.We demand peace, not war. Join us!


hopefully they will also speak out against Iran giving Russia Drones/whatever

Maybe they should be holding this event on Red Square.

[tamig]

Maybe they should be holding this event on Red Square.

I wonder what Corbyn's blueprint for peace will be :rolleyes:

[Stairway 2 7]

I wonder what Corbyn's blueprint for peace will be :rolleyes:

Conceding lots of Ukraine to russia. If they had done this when he first said, they would have had to concede about 50% more than today.

[Ozyhibby]

I wonder what Corbyn's blueprint for peace will be :rolleyes:

Give Russia what it wants.


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[AgentDaleCooper]

I think the thing about Corbyn's position is that even though it seems repugnant now, if we all end up dead in a nuclear holocaust, he'll have been proven right...which isn't what anyone wants, but it is a legitimate fear.

his position is basically moot now though, as it's just never going to happen, whether or not it should.

[Ozyhibby]

I think the thing about Corbyn's position is that even though it seems repugnant now, if we all end up dead in a nuclear holocaust, he'll have been proven right...which isn't what anyone wants, but it is a legitimate fear.

his position is basically moot now though, as it's just never going to happen, whether or not it should.

Corbyn’s position seems to rely on the fact that Putin is just waiting to do a deal and he can be trusted to stick with it.
Corbyn’s position is pretty much what we did in 2014 when he took Crimea. It’s also what we did in 2008 with Georgia. If it didn’t work those two times, why is Corbyn so sure they will work just now? Or is it that he doesn’t care?


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[AgentDaleCooper]

Corbyn’s position seems to rely on the fact that Putin is just waiting to do a deal and he can be trusted to stick with it.
Corbyn’s position is pretty much what we did in 2014 when he took Crimea. It’s also what we did in 2008 with Georgia. If it didn’t work those two times, why is Corbyn so sure they will work just now? Or is it that he doesn’t care?


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I am 100% playing devil's advocate here and not expressing my own opinions (as I honestly just don't know what the solution is), but I guess it can depend on your definition of things working - the approach in Crimea didn't result in scores of thousands of deaths and millions of displaced people. Of course, this is not the fault of Ukraine for responding to bombings and invasions - it's Putin and his regime's fault alone.
Corbyn might also point to Ukraine and Georgia being touted as future NATO members just before 2008 - though at this point I'm putting words in his mouth.

Again - not trying to argue here, nor am I attempting to hide my own opinions behind a Corbyn shaped human shield. I just don't have a clue, because both approaches seem potentially disastrous.

[JeMeSouviens]

Corbyn’s position seems to rely on the fact that Putin is just waiting to do a deal and he can be trusted to stick with it.
Corbyn’s position is pretty much what we did in 2014 when he took Crimea. It’s also what we did in 2008 with Georgia. If it didn’t work those two times, why is Corbyn so sure they will work just now? Or is it that he doesn’t care?


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Corbyn in 2014:


On Ukraine, I would not condone Russian behaviour or expansion. But it is not unprovoked, and the right of people to seek a federal structure or independence should not be denied.
And there are huge questions around the West's intentions in Ukraine.
The obsession with cold war politics that exercises the Nato and EU leaderships is fuelling the crisis and underlines the case for a whole new approach to foreign policy.
We have allowed Nato to act outside its own area since the Afghan war started. The Lisbon Treaty binds the EU and Nato together in a mutual alliance of interference and domination reaching ever eastwards.

Once a tankie ...

[AgentDaleCooper]

Once a tankie ...

what do you disagree with from that quote? There's nothing Stalinist about any of that, unless you class John Meirsheimer, a self professed liberal capitalist, as also being a Stalinist.

[Just Alf]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1588301270850347015?t=4SKGNnpsVyNobzBACki7tg&s=19

The Associated Press (@AP) tweeted at 10:45 pm on Thu, Nov 03, 2022:
"I think I’m going crazy. I’ve already killed so many civilians."

The @AP and @FrontlinePBS obtained hundreds of hours of CCTV footage and intercepts of audio calls by Russian soldiers that show what a Russian "cleansing" operation looked like.

[Stairway 2 7]

what do you disagree with from that quote? There's nothing Stalinist about any of that, unless you class John Meirsheimer, a self professed liberal capitalist, as also being a Stalinist.

It's ridiculous. Many inside putins circle have said Putin wasn't interested in Zelensky offering guarantees to never join nato. If Putin was bothered about nato he wouldn't have removed almost all guards from nato borders and sent them to the front, he knows there is no threat.

He also batted an eyelid that Finland that shares a border is joining. Its about getting the Soviet union back. Corbyn should be fighting against imperialism and genocide. Would he have begged for a deal with Hitler or tell Vietnam just to let America take what they want, what about Palestine should they let isreal just do what they want to prevent nuclear war

Think how many lives could have been saved if Vietnam never fought back

[Rumble de Thump]

what do you disagree with from that quote? There's nothing Stalinist about any of that, unless you class John Meirsheimer, a self professed liberal capitalist, as also being a Stalinist.

Russia has made it clear that every country it borders with needs to be a NATO member or those countries are far more likely to be wiped off the face of the planet. NATO is a members organisation that countries can choose to join. It doesn't expand in the way that an actual country expands when it invades another country and attempts to alter its borders.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bctallis/status/1588527219147931648?s=46&t=d8EMb3FXOsMk5Mx4I_gX2g

Good thread on the futility of trying to negotiate with Putin.


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chrstphr_woody
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1h
The Pentagon says today that US is paying for the Czech defense industry to refurbish 45 T-72 tanks to be delivered to Ukraine and Netherlands is paying for another 45. Those 90 tanks will "the most advanced on the battlefield" dept. press secretary Sabrina Singh says

[Stairway 2 7]

Desperate lambs to the slaughter

https://mobile.twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1588587460296335360

@christogrozev
Our colleagues from
@the_ins_ru
were able to compute the minimum number of convicts recruited by Prigozhin since August and already killed by now. The number is 458, and is based on the consecutive numbering of posthumous award letters received by families from Wagner

Family members of the killed convicts post the award letters on social media. The Insider contracted some of the relatives who said the ex-convicts were told they would be pardoned - and then died

[Stairway 2 7]

Kerch bridge pretty much out of action until September 23

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1588702582540996608

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/johnobrennan2/status/1588431566845386752?s=46&t=h9-YVuO0_CrLiSucWbNkHg

Interesting interview on the current brain drain happening in Russia.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Should Ukraine conced land for it to become like this, where people who want to be Ukranian are hanged and children deported to join Russian families

https://www.ft.com/content/99349f01-c587-4ab4-86df-85ff3c0fcd3b

Kherson residents describe reign of terror under Russian rule
Alleged hanging of woman in southern Ukraine signifies Moscow’s brutality in occupied territory

Last month, Mudryenko paid the ultimate penalty for proclaiming Skadovsk Ukrainian territory. According to several witnesses, she was dragged into the street by the self-appointed pro-Moscow authorities and hanged in a public execution.

[Stairway 2 7]

Amazing work from associated press breaking down the Bucha. Very important when Russia deny the atrocities

https://mobile.twitter.com/bektour/status/1588662866730954752

Bektour Iskender
@bektour
This so far has been one of the best (and the most horrifying) video stories about the massacre in Bucha, Ukraine that russian soldiers committed in March: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WW8YYhUIK0s

I urge everyone to watch it.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's widely agreed they interfered in brexit and Scottish independence votes, but Wagner owner admits now about working on American elections

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/07/putin-ally-yevgeny-prigozhin-admits-interfering-in-us-elections?CMP=share_btn_tw

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3198505/no-nuclear-weapons-over-ukraine-chinese-president-xi-jinping-says-clear-message-russia
Good news.


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[Hibbyradge]

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3198505/no-nuclear-weapons-over-ukraine-chinese-president-xi-jinping-says-clear-message-russia
Good news.


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Yes, that's very good news.

I doubt even Putin would call that particular bluff.

[BS44]

Not good news https://globalnews.ca/news/9222927/us-midterms-ukraine-aid-future/

[Stairway 2 7]

Not good news https://globalnews.ca/news/9222927/us-midterms-ukraine-aid-future/

I think I've read a lot of confidence that it will continue. The reason is the Democrats are pretty much all pro Ukraine support and the reps are split, with the left wanting to support and the right wing nutters wanting to stop. The numbers should still be there for any vote

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1589759029244727298

ChuckPfarrer
IT BEGINS: According to the results of a Russian Field poll for September, support for Putin's Special Military Operation against Ukraine has decreased significantly, from 25% to 16%. Only half of the pro-war respondents (~8%) think the war was necessary. https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/7/7375374/

[Stairway 2 7]

No one usually asks Ukrainians opinions

https://mobile.twitter.com/SvitMore/status/1589705361740955648

Svitlana Morenets
@SvitMore
My opening speech - why there can be no peace deal with Putin.

Watch the debate here: https://bit.ly/3taLY2C

[greenginger]

I think I've read a lot of confidence that it will continue. The reason is the Democrats are pretty much all pro Ukraine support and the reps are split, with the left wanting to support and the right wing nutters wanting to stop. The numbers should still be there for any vote

I always thought it was the right wing nutters who were always pro war, any war. Changed days.

[Stairway 2 7]

I always thought it was the right wing nutters who were always pro war, any war. Changed days.

Putin helped get alot of the trumpets in their seats, his bots will be working hard to help them again today

[Stairway 2 7]

Tremendous but horrific analysis by the BBC on the horrors in Mariupol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63536564?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom4=B4D9FAE2-5E3C-11ED-962C-1AF44744363C&at_custom3=%40BBCNews&at_medium=custom7&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_campaign=64

The agony of not knowing, as Mariupol mass burial sites grow

[The Tubs]

I always thought it was the right wing nutters who were always pro war, any war. Changed days.

Lindenberg wasn’t very keen on the US entering WWII.

History is cyclical.

[Stairway 2 7]

Bad night for Putin. The further right the worse they did last night. Should be a comfortable majority of pro Ukraine dems and reps for the next two years

[Stairway 2 7]

Big advances today by Ukraine and lots of withdrawals of Russian forces. Expect civilians in Ukrainian cities to take the retaliation, hopefully air defenses are ready

@WarMonitor3
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Russian source on Kherson region
“Some units in the Kherson region received an order to withdraw from the right bank, some units have already crossed, some are still ensuring the withdrawal of the rest of the forces. Some still haven't been told what's going on.

[Ozyhibby]

Big advances today by Ukraine and lots of withdrawals of Russian forces. Expect civilians in Ukrainian cities to take the retaliation, hopefully air defenses are ready

@WarMonitor3
·
Russian source on Kherson region
“Some units in the Kherson region received an order to withdraw from the right bank, some units have already crossed, some are still ensuring the withdrawal of the rest of the forces. Some still haven't been told what's going on.

I see one of the main collaborators in Kherson has checked out early.[emoji51]

https://twitter.com/warmonitor3/status/1590335413851676672?s=46&t=Jj9wfxij5ANBJUb0EX-WdA


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[Stairway 2 7]

I see one of the main collaborators in Kherson has checked out early.[emoji51]

https://twitter.com/warmonitor3/status/1590335413851676672?s=46&t=Jj9wfxij5ANBJUb0EX-WdA


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Jeez another accident. Life insurance on the Russian hierarchy must be astronomical

[Ozyhibby]

Jeez another accident. Life insurance on the Russian hierarchy must be astronomical

They should def stay away from windows and wear seat belts.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1590362065059057665?s=46&t=Jj9wfxij5ANBJUb0EX-WdA

Great news. Withdrawal from Kherson announced.
Grim thinking about what Ukrainians will find when they get there though. And still have to hope Russians don’t blow the dam.[emoji1696]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1590362065059057665?s=46&t=Jj9wfxij5ANBJUb0EX-WdA

Great news. Withdrawal from Kherson announced.
Grim thinking about what Ukrainians will find when they get there though. And still have to hope Russians don’t blow the dam.[emoji1696]


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Absolutely massive news. Will be a massive amount of equipment they won't be able to get across the river. But more importantly a huge amount of Ukraine back

[Stairway 2 7]

It was inevitable once they destroyed the bridges, no front was going to be pushed by the Russians. Still massive news, Russia going to lose by far the largest city they managed to take this year

wartranslated
⚡️Surovikin: We are withdrawing to the left bank of Dnieper

@NeilPHauer
❗Russia's head commander of the entire Ukraine war announces to Russian Defence Minister Shoigu that Russia will withdraw from the entire right bank of the Dnieper river (including Kherson city

Shoigu approves the suggestion and orders the full withdrawal of Russian forces to the left bank of the Dnipro river, abandoning Kherson city

[Stairway 2 7]

Confirmed by surovikin on Russian TV, huge Ukrainian victory. Now for 40,000 troops to escape with no bridge, unfortunately going to be a slaughter

https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590368333727424512

wartranslated
Moment Surovikin and Shoygu admit defeat in the Kherson direction and announce the withdrawal of troops




IAPonomarenko
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24m
I would like to send my best regards to all those “Ukrainian victory is not a realistic plan” galaxy brains out there, once again

[JeMeSouviens]

It was inevitable once they destroyed the bridges, no front was going to be pushed by the Russians. Still massive news, Russia going to lose by far the largest city they managed to take this year

wartranslated
⚡️Surovikin: We are withdrawing to the left bank of Dnieper

@NeilPHauer
❗Russia's head commander of the entire Ukraine war announces to Russian Defence Minister Shoigu that Russia will withdraw from the entire right bank of the Dnieper river (including Kherson city

Shoigu approves the suggestion and orders the full withdrawal of Russian forces to the left bank of the Dnipro river, abandoning Kherson city

Still suprising that they've actually persuaded Vlad to take the sensible retreat option for once. The failure of Trumpianism in the US mid-terms is great short and long term news for Ukraine. :aok:

[JeMeSouviens]

Also, could Surovikin look any more like a parody villain?

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/3fcef264ac42918d1378b9293968c8c8d05bf696/0_44_3312_1987/master/3312.jpg?width=620&quality=85&dpr=1&s=none

[Stairway 2 7]

Surely almost all non Russians would agree, it would be silly for Ukraine to push for peace when they are on the ascendancy

The Russian Federation is ready to negotiate with Ukraine, taking into account the realities that are developing at the moment, Russia's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman - TASS

[McSwanky]

Surely almost all non Russians would agree, it would be silly for Ukraine to push for peace when they are on the ascendancy

The Russian Federation is ready to negotiate with Ukraine, taking into account the realities that are developing at the moment, Russia's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman - TASSSurely some form of negotiation is inevitable at some point, unless we think Russia is going to completely implode?

[Stairway 2 7]

Surely some form of negotiation is inevitable at some point, unless we think Russia is going to completely implode?

Now Ukraine has both a large advantage in troop numbers and modern weapons, no one will be able to stop them before they want to. They won't want to until they have their land back. They aren't asking for Russian implosion, just then out Ukraine.

Whether there is negotiations once they are at pre 2022 borders I don't know, but probably doubt

[Ozyhibby]

Now Ukraine has both a large advantage in troop numbers and modern weapons, no one will be able to stop them before they want to. They won't want to until they have their land back. They aren't asking for Russian implosion, just then out Ukraine.

Whether there is negotiations once they are at pre 2022 borders I don't know, but probably doubt

Can’t see the Ukrainians stopping now. The have momentum and a huge equipment and manpower advantage. They also have full support of their people.
Parts of Crimea now move into HIMARS range. It will be a long winter for those under equipped untrained Russian troops.
Ukraine needs to move quickly to make sure the retreat is as chaotic as possible so that as much equipment as possible is left behind.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1590450308119158786

@JuliaDavisNews
Kremlin Cronies Sent Reeling on Live TV Over U.S. Midterm Elections.

Russia’s Tucker Carlson, top propagandist Vladimir Solovyov, said that the Kherson withdrawal was postponed to avoid inadvertently helping Joe Biden and the Democrats in the midterms

James Politi
@JamesPoliti
Biden suggests Russia waited until after the midterms to pull out of Kherson

[Stairway 2 7]

Mike Martin explains why Ukraine will win. Amateurs talk tactics, experts talk logistics

https://mobile.twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1590624708189630464

@TimesRadio
"Ukraine is eventually going to win it … we'll probably see the war wrapping up late summer 2023."

Ukraine is expected to win the war by summer 2023, senior war studies fellow at King’s College London, Dr Mike Martin, tells #TimesRadio.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/biz_ukraine_mag/status/1590261674753523712?s=46&t=iLcSwtqez7_XoV0mBsy3gQ

This video of Russia newly mobilised troops heading to Ukraine perfectly shows why they are losing so badly.


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[DaveF]

https://twitter.com/biz_ukraine_mag/status/1590261674753523712?s=46&t=iLcSwtqez7_XoV0mBsy3gQ

This video of Russia newly mobilised troops heading to Ukraine perfectly shows why they are losing so badly.


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That has to be a piss take, surely?

[Bridge hibs]

https://twitter.com/biz_ukraine_mag/status/1590261674753523712?s=46&t=iLcSwtqez7_XoV0mBsy3gQ

This video of Russia newly mobilised troops heading to Ukraine perfectly shows why they are losing so badly.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhy are they heading to Ukraine if they are meant to be retreating ? Apologies as link not opening for me

[Stairway 2 7]

Why are they heading to Ukraine if they are meant to be retreating ? Apologies as link not opening for me

Because troops will still go in everyday all along the massive line, the two things are separate.

[Stairway 2 7]

Dozens of videos of newly liberated towns today and the same amount of videos of celebrating liberated Ukrainians.

JimmySecUK
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58m
The Ukrainian military is liberating towns and villages in Kherson and Mykolaiv Oblasts so fast right now it's genuinely hard to keep track

Mykolaiv Oblast will imminently be the latest Ukrainian region to be completely liberated from Russian occupation. If it isn't already

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1590729203485356034?s=46&t=iLcSwtqez7_XoV0mBsy3gQ

Tricky situation.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Ukrainian troops outside Berislav which is near the nova kakhovka dam. We'll know in the next few days whether Russia is going to blow it up

WarMonitor3
Ukrainian forces are approaching Berislav

[Ozyhibby]

Sounds like the Russians announced their withdrawal from Kherson without actually telling their own troops? Lots of stories about panic at ferry crossing as thousands try to get across while under heavy artillery fire.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/intelarrow/status/1590813948932423680?s=46&t=WVvitKJRnWHGMvs_K7nQEQ


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[Stairway 2 7]

HIMARS are supposedly pounding Russians trying to escape on boats. Mostly new conscripts apparently. Taken from East Russia then slaughtered weeks later, brutal. Hopefully this can help turn the tide against Putin, ww1 level loses some days.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1590794079813926912

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/coupsure/status/1590405107169914881?s=46&t=5txb9z5AqUWvlEmecVxIdg

Russians building trenches at the entrance to Crimea. This is only going in one direction for them.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1591025225084571649?s=46&t=5txb9z5AqUWvlEmecVxIdg

Ukrainian troops now in Kherson.[emoji122]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/typicaldonetsk/status/1591029018778042368?s=46&t=6DBKb2YyMn7P4M-3PxzWKQ

Great to see.[emoji106]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1591025225084571649?s=46&t=5txb9z5AqUWvlEmecVxIdg

Ukrainian troops now in Kherson.[emoji122]


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Even after yesterday I thought it might be weeks to get in Kherson city, quite amazing to see. I'm surprised to see all the videos of the people celebrating in the streets, because Putin told us 99% of them voted to be annexed into Russia 5 weeks ago 🤔

https://mobile.twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1591032361545650176
@YWNReporter
#BREAKING: Ukrainian Flags now flying in the center of Kherson city with women and children bringing out their own flags

[Stairway 2 7]

The street in Leipzig, Germany where the Consulate General of the Russian Federation is located will be named after Borys Romanchenko, a Holocaust survivor who was killed by Russian airstrikes in Kharkiv.

📰MDR

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1590972739610808320?s=46&t=6DBKb2YyMn7P4M-3PxzWKQ


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221111/e49774d969e2ffdc93ffeacd1281f860.jpg

I see the residents of Kherson had an EU flag up even before the Ukrainian troops arrived. No country has fought harder and sacrificed more to become members of the EU. Hopefully they won’t have to wait long.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1591058457817681920

@JimmySecUK
The Ukrainian army has now reached the centre of the city of Kherson, greeted by cheering crowds of civilians.🇺🇦

[Stairway 2 7]

Brilliant scenes in Kherson. You can't choose appeasement against maniacs, force facilitates freedom in Ukraine. 3800km liberated, away for a chernigivske 🍺

https://mobile.twitter.com/SvitMore/status/1591074837237477377
@SvitMore
Putin expected Ukrainians to meet his army like this, but with Russian flags.

That never happened. Today Ukrainian army is being greeted in Kherson by thousands of grateful residents. It is what real liberation looks like

[BroxburnHibee]

Sorry if I've missed this but why have they gave up Kherson?

I'm still genuinely worried he might go nuclear.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm still genuinely worried he might go nuclear.

I guess it's still a possibility, but I'm not as concerned now that China has warned them against it.

[Bridge hibs]

I guess it's still a possibility, but I'm not as concerned now that China has warned them against it.I honestly dont think Putin gives a **** about China, he doesnt care about human life, look at what he has done to the Ukranians and thousands of his own soldiers, and add his decimated economy onto that too

Putin will not just say ok thats me beat after all that. He remains an unpredictable nutter. I certainly wont rest easy until he is dead and buried

[Stairway 2 7]

Sorry if I've missed this but why have they gave up Kherson?

I'm still genuinely worried he might go nuclear.

They didn't give it up they were getting slaughtered for the last month. Ukraine blew up the two bridges into the right bank. That meant 30,000 Russians were trapped with hardly any supplies and no means of getting heavy equipment to them. They were sitting ducks. People like Mike Martin and Philips OBrien have been saying for 2 months this was inevitable before Christmas. They are also saying its inevitable Ukraine will take the rest of their land back

[Since90+2]

I honestly dont think Putin gives a **** about China, he doesnt care about human life, look at what he has done to the Ukranians and thousands of his own soldiers, and add his decimated economy onto that too

Putin will not just say ok thats me beat after all that. He remains an unpredictable nutter. I certainly wont rest easy until he is dead and buried

I don't think Putin is a nutter, not in the sense of being out of his box atleast. He's clearly evil but I do think he has his wits about him.

[Hibbyradge]

I don't think Putin is a nutter, not in the sense of being out of his box atleast. He's clearly evil but I do think he has his wits about him.

I agree.

If he goes nuclear, Russia is finished.

He knows that and most definitely won't want that as his legacy.

[Ozyhibby]

Every time Putin retreats he is showing that he wants to survive. If he’s mad enough to go nuclear, why would he back down to Turkey on grain shipments? Why leave Kherson if your going to go nuclear anyway? If he was going to go Nuclear he would be going full mobilisation by now. He wouldn’t be hiding his Black Sea fleet or being too scared to fly his airforce. It may not look like it but both sides (Russia and the West) are showing considerable restraint which indicates that both sides are avoiding any hint of nuclear.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Sorry if I've missed this but why have they gave up Kherson?

I'm still genuinely worried he might go nuclear.

Kherson sits in a strip of land between the advancing Ukrainian front line and the River Dneiper. Using recently supplied western rockets, the Ukrainians have been systematically cutting off the Russian supply lines over the river, leaving the Russians there effectively stranded.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1591115047891263494?s=46&t=6DBKb2YyMn7P4M-3PxzWKQ


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[Broxburn Greens]

https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1591115047891263494?s=46&t=6DBKb2YyMn7P4M-3PxzWKQ


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That is brilliant to see. Much how Putin probably thought his troops would be greeted back in February.

There is an element of a strategic withdrawal here, the Russian forces in Kherson were in danger of being cut off and the city was becoming increasingly difficult for the Russians to keep a hold on.

Withdrawing to the east bank of the Dineper allows the Russians to regroup, dig in and create a new front line with a natural boundary between them and the Ukrainian forces.

The city is now also very much in range of Russian artillery and could be pounded just like Mariupol was.

Also expect Russian missiles to continue targeting Ukrainian infrastructure making it a long hard winter for them.

The conflict itself may freeze a bit now over the winter but Putin will do everything he can to make the life’s of ordinary Ukrainian people as miserable as he can.

[Ozyhibby]

That is brilliant to see. Much how Putin probably thought his troops would be greeted back in February.

There is an element of a strategic withdrawal here, the Russian forces in Kherson were in danger of being cut off and the city was becoming increasingly difficult for the Russians to keep a hold on.

Withdrawing to the east bank of the Dineper allows the Russians to regroup, dig in and create a new front line with a natural boundary between them and the Ukrainian forces.

The city is now also very much in range of Russian artillery and could be pounded just like Mariupol was.

Also expect Russian missiles to continue targeting Ukrainian infrastructure making it a long hard winter for them.

The conflict itself may freeze a bit now over the winter but Putin will do everything he can to make the life’s of ordinary Ukrainian people as miserable as he can.

I think Russian artillery will be pushed back out of range by the Ukrainians. They have more accurate longer range artillery that will hit any Russian guns within seconds of them firing.


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[Stairway 2 7]

That is brilliant to see. Much how Putin probably thought his troops would be greeted back in February.

There is an element of a strategic withdrawal here, the Russian forces in Kherson were in danger of being cut off and the city was becoming increasingly difficult for the Russians to keep a hold on.

Withdrawing to the east bank of the Dineper allows the Russians to regroup, dig in and create a new front line with a natural boundary between them and the Ukrainian forces.

The city is now also very much in range of Russian artillery and could be pounded just like Mariupol was.

Also expect Russian missiles to continue targeting Ukrainian infrastructure making it a long hard winter for them.

The conflict itself may freeze a bit now over the winter but Putin will do everything he can to make the life’s of ordinary Ukrainian people as miserable as he can.

Russia can't really pound with artillery much anymore. Germany gave a huge amount of counter battery radar, so when Russia fires they get a accurate HIMARS taking them out. That's why Russian artillery strikes are a fraction of say may.

The number of missle strikes are dwindling down now that Ukraine eventually got air defenses.

It wasn't tactical in that there wasn't anyother choice and they will be furious about it. Russia had three lines of defenses in Kherson

[Stairway 2 7]

Different class from the Ukrainian ministry of defence and ferris bueller 😆

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1591162458952982528

[Stairway 2 7]

Sky News the first group of reporters in Kherson. Jubilant groups of people

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1591358914255257602

[18Craig75]

Sounds like Ukraine aren’t stopping with Kherson; (unconfirmed) reports of an amphibious assault happening on the Kinburn peninsula, with the potential aim of flanking the retreating Russians.

[AltheHibby]

I would love to see Putin's reaction at a Ukrainian officer taking part in the UK festival of remembrance.

[heretoday]

I would love to see Putin's reaction at a Ukrainian officer taking part in the UK festival of remembrance.

I'm not sure Ukraine should be mentioned in our Remembrance Day.
Sounds like politics to me.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not sure Ukraine should be mentioned in our Remembrance Day.
Sounds like politics to me.

The whole thing is political nowadays.


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[Bristolhibby]

I'm not sure Ukraine should be mentioned in our Remembrance Day.
Sounds like politics to me.

As one soldier to another he is paying his respects. He can’t help where he’s posted.

Entirely appropriate, it’s just his war is ongoing.

J

[marinello59]

As one soldier to another he is paying his respects. He can’t help where he’s posted.

Entirely appropriate, it’s just his war is ongoing.

J

:agree:

[Stairway 2 7]

Keep it going

https://mobile.twitter.com/bradyafr/status/1591574058583216128

@bradyafr
Ukrainian forces have liberated more than 64,000 square kilometers of territory since April, maps from
@criticalthreats
and
@TheStudyofWar
show

[Stairway 2 7]

Left bank of Kherson now in HIMARS range.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SmartUACat/status/1591740910454603777

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1592091769126387712?s=46&t=VfEEqThzQD-gLeopWd12IQ

Zelensky now in Kherson.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1591971937206652928?s=46&t=xnRucd89wJ8k48FSgl2WPA

Russians just working out now that they have a small population and are dirt poor.


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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1591971937206652928?s=46&t=xnRucd89wJ8k48FSgl2WPA

Russians just working out now that they have a small population and are dirt poor.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkRussia leadership are liars.

GOP are liars.

Tory Party a front bench full of liars.

Why are all the worlds main "anti-woke" parties full of lies.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1591971937206652928?s=46&t=xnRucd89wJ8k48FSgl2WPA

Russians just working out now that they have a small population and are dirt poor.


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wow right at the end of that


there are two options: either we win this war, or the whole world is reduced to ashes

there are no other options

what a maniac that tw@t Solovyov is

[Bristolhibby]

https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1591971937206652928?s=46&t=xnRucd89wJ8k48FSgl2WPA

Russians just working out now that they have a small population and are dirt poor.


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They are insane. They genuinely believe that it is “our land” and that they are taking back Ukraine and liberating it.

Then he ends with we win or we nuke everything.

Psycho.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

The thing I don't get if they are pushing the Kherson is ours and the people are Russian. Then why when it was obvious it was lost did they loot the zoo and museum, destroy all the power and water services and leave mines and boobytraps everywhere. Surely you wouldn't treat "Russians" like that.

[Stairway 2 7]

Good thread on where the options are for Ukraine to push next

https://mobile.twitter.com/secretsqrl123/status/1592167862755815424

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221114/e273d1d9c4d1e4711375662f9258d763.jpg

There are rumours online that Oleshky has been liberated? I’m no military expert but would have thought that improbable at this stage? Would risk Ukrainian troops being stuck on ‘wrong’ side of river with same re-supply problems Russians just had to retreat over?


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[Jones28]

Good thread on where the options are for Ukraine to push next

https://mobile.twitter.com/secretsqrl123/status/1592167862755815424

Think they want Crimea, for no other reason than it’s what I want them to do. There was a comment on Twitter that if ukraines reclaimed crimea Putin may well end up swinging from a lamp post in red square.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221114/e273d1d9c4d1e4711375662f9258d763.jpg

There are rumours online that Oleshky has been liberated? I’m no military expert but would have thought that improbable at this stage? Would risk Ukrainian troops being stuck on ‘wrong’ side of river with same re-supply problems Russians just had to retreat over?


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May be they have their eyes on a winter assault. The rivers there normally start to freeze over around mid December.

[StevieC]

May be they have their eyes on a winter assault. The rivers there normally start to freeze over around mid December.

Not always. I’ve been in Dnipro a few times during January (generally coldest month) and the Dnepr hasn’t been frozen over .. and not sure I’d be keen to take a tank over it when it is.

[Stairway 2 7]

Un Council vote that Russia must pay reparations to Ukraine

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tendar/status/1592227456018448384

(((Tendar)))
@Tendar
This UNGA vote will haunt Russia financially for decades. Large sums, which can be retrieved for reparations, are already frozen on Western bank accounts, around 300 billion USD. That vote gives legal basis in those countries (all of them voted yes) to impound it. #Russia

[Renfrew_Hibby]

May be they have their eyes on a winter assault. The rivers there normally start to freeze over around mid December.

I didn't think the rivers in Ukraine froze to the same degree as they would in say Siberia. Where rivers freeze to 2 or 3 meters thick and become genuine ice road highways.

Some live shots of the mighty Lena at Lensk (currently -30C as I type)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cqZoSB2QNoU

Or the Amur at Khabarovsk, just starting to Ice over.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WYthc1D_PoY

[AgentDaleCooper]

Un Council vote that Russia must pay reparations to Ukraine

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tendar/status/1592227456018448384

(((Tendar)))
@Tendar
This UNGA vote will haunt Russia financially for decades. Large sums, which can be retrieved for reparations, are already frozen on Western bank accounts, around 300 billion USD. That vote gives legal basis in those countries (all of them voted yes) to impound it. #Russia
Hmmm...crippling reperations have never come back to haunt Europe, have they...

I think if it's the wealthy oligarchs snd Putin's regime that suffer, then that's absolutely great. If it results in widespread sufferring in Russia for decades, then we'll see each other back here in a couple of decades, i'd wager.

The only way to do it is how they did it with west germany - basically pish all the mod-cons of keynsian capitalism into it. I'd be surprised if the west wants to do that though, as they don't want to create another economic super power.

Absolutely loving watching the 4rs3 falling out of Putin's attack though, got to say.

[Stairway 2 7]

Hmmm...crippling reperations have never come back to haunt Europe, have they...

I think if it's the wealthy oligarchs snd Putin's regime that suffer, then that's absolutely great. If it results in widespread sufferring in Russia for decades, then we'll see each other back here in a couple of decades, i'd wager.

The only way to do it is how they did it with west germany - basically pish all the mod-cons of keynsian capitalism into it. I'd be surprised if the west wants to do that though, as they don't want to create another economic super power.

Absolutely loving watching the 4rs3 falling out of Putin's attack though, got to say.

As soon as Russia is out of Ukraine I bet the sanctions fall and the oil and gas start pumping to Europe again, capitalism and profit. If Russia had taken Kyiv I'd bet Europe would have done deals will the puppet Ukrainian government too. They won't like the fact that this war is affecting their profit margins, but public sentiment dictates they have to back Ukraine.

[Stairway 2 7]

May be they have their eyes on a winter assault. The rivers there normally start to freeze over around mid December.

They will definitely be looking at freezing temperatures for a push. rasputitsa or mud season is slowing everything down just now and forcing them to stick to roads. Soon the ground will be frozen as will streams ect. Add in Russias poor equipment and the fact Ukraine has been sent half a million cold weather outfits and they will be wanting to use it

[Hibrandenburg]

Not always. I’ve been in Dnipro a few times during January (generally coldest month) and the Dnepr hasn’t been frozen over .. and not sure I’d be keen to take a tank over it when it is.

I read somewhere that they start to freeze on average around December until March but I'll bow to your superior knowledge of the region Stevie. I studied Arctic Warfare in my time in the military and I can't remember the actual thickness ice needed to be for different vehicles to cross, but I remember it being surprisingly thin depending on the type of ice. I'll have to dig out my old manuals.

[Stairway 2 7]

visegrad24
A 23-year-old Zambian student who was convicted in Russia and serving a prison sentence on the outskirts of Moscow has been found dead in combat in Ukraine,

the Zambian government says, and it is demanding an explanation from Russia

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/14/africa/zambian-prisoner-killed-ukraine-intl/index.html

[Bristolhibby]

visegrad24
A 23-year-old Zambian student who was convicted in Russia and serving a prison sentence on the outskirts of Moscow has been found dead in combat in Ukraine,

the Zambian government says, and it is demanding an explanation from Russia

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/14/africa/zambian-prisoner-killed-ukraine-intl/index.html

**** going to Russia if I were a black man. Uni or no.

**** even more going to prison in Russia as a black man.

Jesus.

J

[Ozyhibby]

Hmmm...crippling reperations have never come back to haunt Europe, have they...

I think if it's the wealthy oligarchs snd Putin's regime that suffer, then that's absolutely great. If it results in widespread sufferring in Russia for decades, then we'll see each other back here in a couple of decades, i'd wager.

The only way to do it is how they did it with west germany - basically pish all the mod-cons of keynsian capitalism into it. I'd be surprised if the west wants to do that though, as they don't want to create another economic super power.

Absolutely loving watching the 4rs3 falling out of Putin's attack though, got to say.

Ukraine will need rebuilt and we won’t want to use our money. Given the surviving pipelines run through Ukraine then a significant tax on the Gas should just about do it.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1592479508682387458?s=46&t=BiXCwGdAfXDxaaCFYQB4gA

Benefits of night vision equipment. Also, I’m no expert, but it doesn’t look like these Russian lads are particularly well trained?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Zelensky lays the rules for a deal. Basically get Russians out of Ukraine, the public wouldn't accept anything less. No ceasefire as that is totally favorable to Russian war efforts

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1592475885286076417
@ChristopherJM
“We will not allow Russia to wait it out, build up its forces, and then start a new series of terror and global destabilisation.”

Zelensky outlines conditions for peace

[Stairway 2 7]

Lavrovs reply

@TpyxaNews
·
Lavrov said that Ukraine is delaying the resolution of the conflict and disrupting the negotiation process

The #Ukrainian side categorically refuses any negotiations and puts forward conditions, which are obviously unrealistic and inadequate in this situation



Even in July he wanted the fall of the regime
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-kyiv-black-sea-arab-league-b5c583e8d057897cfdef6b407e113339

[Stairway 2 7]

Ukraine shooting down 90% of missles now thanks to air defenses also

https://mobile.twitter.com/shashj/status/1592480289422544898

Ukraine mil intel says Russia has ~120 Iskanders left

(https://economist.com/europe/2022/11/06/western-air-defence-systems-help-ukraine-shoot-down-more-missiles).

This week another source told me Russia has only month's worth of artillery ammo left. Both figures "in right ballpark" says another Western official. But munitions "big limiting factor" for Ukr too.

Russian industrial production capacity is very limited compared with the rate at which [missiles] have been expended. For example, the modernised 9M723 Iskander production line has a monthly output capacity of six missiles

[Kato]

The wife of the UK Prime Minister still profiting from doing business in Moscow.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/04/infosys-still-operating-russia-rishi-sunak-akshata-murty

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[Stairway 2 7]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics/us-intelligence-russia-withdrawal-midterm-election/index.html

@NatashaBertrand
Scoop: The US has intelligence that suggests Russia delayed formally announcing its withdrawal from Kherson in part to avoid giving the Biden administration a political “win” ahead of the midterm elections. Biden hinted at this last week.

Senior Russian officials discussed the midterms as a factor during deliberations about the withdrawal announcement, & waiting until after Americans had cast their votes was considered a "pre-planned condition.” With
@KatieBoLillis

@ZcohenCNN

[Bridge hibs]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics/us-intelligence-russia-withdrawal-midterm-election/index.html

@NatashaBertrand
Scoop: The US has intelligence that suggests Russia delayed formally announcing its withdrawal from Kherson in part to avoid giving the Biden administration a political “win” ahead of the midterm elections. Biden hinted at this last week.

Senior Russian officials discussed the midterms as a factor during deliberations about the withdrawal announcement, & waiting until after Americans had cast their votes was considered a "pre-planned condition.” With
@KatieBoLillis

@ZcohenCNNWhats the correlation with regards Biden winning and Russia withdrawing troops. If Biden hadnt won would that have made any difference ?

[Ozyhibby]

Whats the correlation with regards Biden winning and Russia withdrawing troops. If Biden hadnt won would that have made any difference ?

No. The troops were gone regardless. They just didn’t want Biden to win because he has done such a great job of getting weapons to Ukraine. The didn’t want Americans realising that it was working.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Whats the correlation with regards Biden winning and Russia withdrawing troops. If Biden hadnt won would that have made any difference ?

Putin didn’t want to give Biden a political win to use before mid terms. Putin's biggest allies in America a trump republicans. A big Republican win could have effected Ukraines military aid in a big way

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/22/ukraine-aid-faces-tougher-crowd-if-republicans-take-over-00058362

[Bridge hibs]

Putin didn’t want to give Biden a political win to use before mid terms. Putin's biggest allies in America a trump republicans. A big Republican win could have effected Ukraines military aid in a big way

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/22/ukraine-aid-faces-tougher-crowd-if-republicans-take-over-00058362Ah makes perfect sense, thanks

[Smartie]

Lots of explosions hitting Ukrainian cities this afternoon.

Doesn’t seem to be much pattern in what is getting hit.

Is it incompetence or malfeasance?

Are they just indiscriminately chucking stuff at civilian areas on purpose to terrorise? If so, it doesn’t seem to be having any remotely positive influence for them.

Or are they trying to hit specific targets but missing them, for any number of reasons?

Deeply unpleasant, as usual, but I can’t really figure out the purpose of it.

[Stairway 2 7]

Lots of explosions hitting Ukrainian cities this afternoon.

Doesn’t seem to be much pattern in what is getting hit.

Is it incompetence or malfeasance?

Are they just indiscriminately chucking stuff at civilian areas on purpose to terrorise? If so, it doesn’t seem to be having any remotely positive influence for them.

Or are they trying to hit specific targets but missing them, for any number of reasons?

Deeply unpleasant, as usual, but I can’t really figure out the purpose of it.

They can't do it on the battlefield so it's for the people back home. It was inevitable after Kherson, the same happened after Moskva sinking, Kharkiv collapse and Kerch bridge attack.

Won't do anything militarily but will be shown on news channels in Russia. They are targeting energy facilities but are often using unguided missles due to a lack of guided, that's why apartment blocks and parks hit

[Stairway 2 7]

Around 100 fired with under 20 hitting according to Ukraine.

nexta_tv
·
The occupiers fired about 100 X-101 and X-555 missiles on the territory of Ukraine, said speaker of the AFU Air Force Command

@WarMonitor3
Just some rough numbers so everyone can grasp the amount:
➡️Kalibr missile = $6.5 million
➡️Kh-101 missile = $13 million
➡️Kh-555 missile = $7.5 million

This isn't sustainable

[Ozyhibby]

They can't do it on the battlefield so it's for the people back home. It was inevitable after Kherson, the same happened after Moskva sinking, Kharkiv collapse and Kerch bridge attack.

Won't do anything militarily but will be shown on news channels in Russia. They are targeting energy facilities but are often using unguided missles due to a lack of guided, that's why apartment blocks and parks hit

I think today was timed to coincide with Zelenskey’s speech to the G20.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/warmonitor3/status/1592581319758053376?s=46&t=xTF39r68Kiah2v-v799KyA

Two Russian rockets fired at Poland killing two people.


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[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/warmonitor3/status/1592581319758053376?s=46&t=xTF39r68Kiah2v-v799KyA

Two Russian rockets fired at Poland killing two people.


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Uh oh.

That’s not good.