Ukraine

[Ozyhibby]

Ukraine and Europe don't play ball, Trump says you're on your own, I tried to make peace for you but you didn't want it. USA like in the beginning of WW1 & 2 starts making a mint selling goods including weapons to both sides in an ongoing conflict.

Trump isn't worried about world peace, in fact he sees an opportunity to sell stuff, he just needs to rid himself of any contractual obligations to step in on behalf of NATO. NATO needs the USA, but does the USA need NATO?

Failed peace negotiations are Trump's way out.

Congress won’t allow arms sales to Russia.


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[SHODAN]

Congress won’t allow arms sales to Russia.


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I think the last few weeks have shown that 1. Democrats have a hard-on for "bipartisanship" and will do anything to be best friends with the Republicans again and 2. The US government can apparently just be bypassed with little to no resistance so I wouldn't rely on any of the fabled "checks and balances" working.

[Ozyhibby]

I think the last few weeks have shown that 1. Democrats have a hard-on for "bipartisanship" and will do anything to be best friends with the Republicans again and 2. The US government can apparently just be bypassed with little to no resistance so I wouldn't rely on any of the fabled "checks and balances" working.

I don’t think that’s quite correct. While damage is being done the courts have also stopped multiple breaches of presidential power. I’m not saying it will all be fine but he is not all powerful yet.


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[Ozyhibby]

The best course of action for Europe is to properly fund Ukraine to do the fighting for us. That includes enough funding that they can recruits a far bigger army than they have and enough weaponry to get the job done.
Starmer going on about sending UK troops for some imaginary deal that will never happen is pie in the sky. Cough up the money and let the Ukrainians get the job done. And forget Trump.
Russia can’t keep up this level of fighting for as long as we can. They don’t have the resources. The difference in the size of economies is massive and Europe also has a far bigger and better industrial base. Europe needs to wake up and get on with it. And they can start by using the £300bn in confiscated Russian assets.


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[Ozyhibby]

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This would be a good start.

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[Jim44]

Congress won’t allow arms sales to Russia.


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That’s like giving catapults and water pistols to the playground bully.

[Hibs4185]

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This would be a good start.

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I pray that this is true and the poster is usually pretty accurate with Ukraine info.

Stuff Trump, supply the Ukrainians with whatever they need and Europe can benefit from Ukrainian membership and possibly minerals.

Need to look after ourselves

[Ozyhibby]

I pray that this is true and the poster is usually pretty accurate with Ukraine info.

Stuff Trump, supply the Ukrainians with whatever they need and Europe can benefit from Ukrainian membership and possibly minerals.

Need to look after ourselves

It’s their minerals. It’s our security we are buying. And it’s cheap at double what it will cost us.[emoji106]


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[Hibrandenburg]

Congress won’t allow arms sales to Russia.


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I think you're underestimating the American Ferengi like compulsion to turn over a few bucks. The Yanks have a strong history of profiting from war.

[Smartie]

https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/1891866234788184562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1891892900880892242%7Ctwgr% 5Ebd6fc27845a95f4ce47b7671a07c642c41b4f4ef%7Ctwcon %5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.readytogo.net%2Fsmb%2Fth reads%2Fpart-4-russia-invading-ukraine-news-updates-no-gory-videos-or-politics.1641399%2Fpage-229

An interesting twist.

[Hibs4185]

https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/1891866234788184562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1891892900880892242%7Ctwgr% 5Ebd6fc27845a95f4ce47b7671a07c642c41b4f4ef%7Ctwcon %5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.readytogo.net%2Fsmb%2Fth reads%2Fpart-4-russia-invading-ukraine-news-updates-no-gory-videos-or-politics.1641399%2Fpage-229

An interesting twist.

Very interesting. If anything it might make Trump take notice

[CropleyWasGod]

https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/1891866234788184562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1891892900880892242%7Ctwgr% 5Ebd6fc27845a95f4ce47b7671a07c642c41b4f4ef%7Ctwcon %5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.readytogo.net%2Fsmb%2Fth reads%2Fpart-4-russia-invading-ukraine-news-updates-no-gory-videos-or-politics.1641399%2Fpage-229

An interesting twist.

What does it say?

[JimBHibees]

What does it say?

BREAKING: Erdoğa just threw down the gauntlet—Turkey backs Ukraine’s FULL territorial integrity. Turkey ain’t just some side player in this. They control the Black Sea. They control NATO’s southern flank. And now, Erdoğan is making it clear: Russia’s land grab is not up for negotiation.

[CropleyWasGod]

BREAKING: Erdoğa just threw down the gauntlet—Turkey backs Ukraine’s FULL territorial integrity. Turkey ain’t just some side player in this. They control the Black Sea. They control NATO’s southern flank. And now, Erdoğan is making it clear: Russia’s land grab is not up for negotiation.

Cheers.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/1891866234788184562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1891892900880892242%7Ctwgr% 5Ebd6fc27845a95f4ce47b7671a07c642c41b4f4ef%7Ctwcon %5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.readytogo.net%2Fsmb%2Fth reads%2Fpart-4-russia-invading-ukraine-news-updates-no-gory-videos-or-politics.1641399%2Fpage-229

An interesting twist.

There's only really Georgia and Azerbaijan separating Turkey from Russia, so it's no real surprise that they don't like the idea of Russian aggression being seen to be rewarded.

[Ozyhibby]

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Attacks on Russian refineries is obviously hurting if Lavrov is bringing it up.


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[Ozyhibby]

There's only really Georgia and Azerbaijan separating Turkey from Russia, so it's no real surprise that they don't like the idea of Russian aggression being seen to be rewarded.

Turkey is an economic basket case under Erdogan but it has a significant military and could probably do with some financial help if it joined the fight.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0n5e1pdz9o

Starmer knows this which is why he was happy running his mouth yesterday. Time for actual action.


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[Bostonhibby]

The UK is going to have to make a choice soon I feel. Also where do the Tories and Reform sit in all this. Badenoch was pretty supportive of Trump in her dreadful speech yesterday and Farage is a big fan and pal of Trump as well. They are going to have watch their step going forward as we may have to side against Trump in this matterBad Enoch is nowhere near savvy enough to come up with a credible idea of her own- witness her latest performance in the commons over the guy working at home from Finland- highly likely to coat tail Margate's man in America who will be going wherever the grift is, and that'll be with Trump and his odd wee pal.

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[Bostonhibby]

I think you're underestimating the American Ferengi like compulsion to turn over a few bucks. The Yanks have a strong history of profiting from war.As his attempts to buy and turn Gaza into Trump middle east shows, the big orange guy and his wee mini me see all humanity in terms of cash, the main chance and no morality whatsoever.

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[Bostonhibby]

Very interesting. If anything it might make Trump take noticeExpect him to do one of his big fancy signatures in front of the cameras renouncing turkeys and imploring his followers to eat more American Bald Eagles.

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[Stonewall]

When Trump said the EU needed to increase defence spending to 5% of GDP he knew fine that was never going to happen and was giving himself a justification for the USA leaving Nato.

[Ozyhibby]

When Trump said the EU needed to increase defence spending to 5% of GDP he knew fine that was never going to happen and was giving himself a justification for the USA leaving Nato.

I’d say that’s already done and we are just waiting on the announcement.


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[Hibrandenburg]

When Trump said the EU needed to increase defence spending to 5% of GDP he knew fine that was never going to happen and was giving himself a justification for the USA leaving Nato.

:agree: Europe and it's allies need to start organising a new mutual defence treaty, yesterday.

[Smartie]

Everything I hear is that Europe have been well prepared for every single one of these eventualities.

It didn't require Nostradamus to see Trump getting in and doing and saying everything he has done and said.

The media like to paint it all as a big surprise and that Europe are on the back foot but that's not the case.

[Ozyhibby]

:agree: Europe and it's allies need to start organising a new mutual defence treaty, yesterday.

Just keep NATO. It’s still a significant military power. Just needs to fill the big gaps that we have allowed to open that the Americans filled.


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[Hibs4185]

I can’t even go on twitter or watch the news just now. My heart breaks for the poor Ukrainians and Zelensky.

I wish that bullet hadn’t missed Trump

[Scorrie]

Trump calling Zelensky all sorts now and says he might not have a country left. Wow. And Denmark are saying they will increase defence spending to the highest level for 50 years . I wonder if that’s in respect of Greenland? This could all get quite ugly

[lapsedhibee]

Trump calling Zelensky all sorts now and says he might not have a country left. Wow. And Denmark are saying they will increase defence spending to the highest level for 50 years . I wonder if that’s in respect of Greenland? This could all get quite ugly

Has he called all the Ukrainian soldiers who've died 'losers' yet?

[Bristolhibby]

I’d say that’s already done and we are just waiting on the announcement.


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BTW that would be terrible for Europe. But we can say it’s defo a 4 year hiatus in which USA are effectively out of the diplomatic sphere.

J

[Ozyhibby]

Trump calling Zelensky all sorts now and says he might not have a country left. Wow. And Denmark are saying they will increase defence spending to the highest level for 50 years . I wonder if that’s in respect of Greenland? This could all get quite ugly

Even Chamberlain didn’t repeat all Hitlers propaganda for him.[emoji35]


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[lapsedhibee]

Even Chamberlain didn’t repeat all Hitlers propaganda for him.[emoji35]


Janey Godley beginning to look like a master of understatement.

[Bridge hibs]

This messy ****ed up world just got messier and ****ed up 🤬

[Smartie]

I can’t even go on twitter or watch the news just now. My heart breaks for the poor Ukrainians and Zelensky.

I wish that bullet hadn’t missed Trump

I wish it hadn't missed either, but let's not pretend that it wouldn't be a similar level of **** show with Vance as president instead of Trump if that bullet had gone into his head instead of skiffing the side of it.

This is about more than one man - it's about a ghastly movement that's been allowed to grow in the USA, of which Trump is but the head of the snake.

[Kato]

I wish it hadn't missed either, but let's not pretend that it wouldn't be a similar level of **** show with Vance as president instead of Trump if that bullet had gone into his head instead of skiffing the side of it.

This is about more than one man - it's about a ghastly movement that's been allowed to grow in the USA, of which Trump is but the head of the snake.A movement that's pushed for and are now getting self-sabotaging policies at home and a total 180 degree pivot on foreign policy. Not Putin’s puppet in any way. The "people who have been left behind" have put the people who leave them behind in charge.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Trump calls Zelensky a "dictator" :rolleyes:

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkHShB5XkAAmor6?format=jpg&name=900x900

[cabbageandribs1875]

as much as i've disliked Erdogan for many years Mario ���������������� on X: "BREAKING��: Erdoğa just threw down the gauntlet—Turkey backs Ukraine’s FULL territorial integrity. Turkey ain’t just some side player in this. They control the Black Sea. They control NATO’s southern flank. And now, Erdoğan is making it clear: Russia’s land grab is not up for https://t.co/fKRuswXlT7" / X (https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/1891866234788184562)

i dislike the Putin Puppet in the Whitehouse so SO much more

[Ozyhibby]

as much as i've disliked Erdogan for many years Mario ���������������� on X: "BREAKING��: Erdoğa just threw down the gauntlet—Turkey backs Ukraine’s FULL territorial integrity. Turkey ain’t just some side player in this. They control the Black Sea. They control NATO’s southern flank. And now, Erdoğan is making it clear: Russia’s land grab is not up for https://t.co/fKRuswXlT7" / X (https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/1891866234788184562)

i dislike the Putin Puppet in the Whitehouse so SO much more

It’s easy to say these things but actions are needed.


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[Ozyhibby]

It’s easy to say these things but actions are needed.


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I guess this counts as action. Well done.[emoji106]


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[Jones28]

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I guess this counts as action. Well done.[emoji106]


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I wouldn't say well done, I would say it's about ****ing time and it's disgusting that this has continued since Feb 22.

Well done to a big oil company for finally finding some morality and not funding a war that has killed tens or even hundreds of thousands of civilians.

[CropleyWasGod]

as much as i've disliked Erdogan for many years Mario ���������������� on X: "BREAKING��: Erdoğa just threw down the gauntlet—Turkey backs Ukraine’s FULL territorial integrity. Turkey ain’t just some side player in this. They control the Black Sea. They control NATO’s southern flank. And now, Erdoğan is making it clear: Russia’s land grab is not up for https://t.co/fKRuswXlT7" / X (https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/1891866234788184562)

i dislike the Putin Puppet in the Whitehouse so SO much more


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I guess this counts as action. Well done.[emoji106]


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Erdogan trying to add to his case for joining the EU?

Dontcha just love international ****housery?

[Bristolhibby]

Erdogan trying to add to his case for joining the EU?

Dontcha just love international ****housery?

Also have a niggle in the back of my mind that Azerbaijan (Turkeys proxy)will have another go at Armenia (Russian backed).

J

[Ozyhibby]

Erdogan trying to add to his case for joining the EU?

Dontcha just love international ****housery?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/02/18/europe-eu-nato-us-russia-ukraine/

Speaking of which, there are things in here I disagree with but a lot of things worth considering.


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[Hibs4185]

https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/02/18/europe-eu-nato-us-russia-ukraine/

Speaking of which, there are things in here I disagree with but a lot of things worth considering.


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Excellent article given how badly it has gone with Trump.

Nothing better than saying to an abusive partner *uck you and confidently going it on your own.

[s.a.m]

https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/02/18/europe-eu-nato-us-russia-ukraine/

Speaking of which, there are things in here I disagree with but a lot of things worth considering.

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:aok: Like you say, brings up a number of things worth taking heed of, and considering.

[judas]

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This would be a good start.

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It would be and I agree that Europe must step up.

But where is the ongoing supply of materiel going to come from? Does Europe have the specialist armaments manufacturing capacity to produce it quickly?

And then there are troops. Do Ukraine have enough of them?

Also, history teaches us not to write of Russian longevity and endurance.

[Smartie]

It would be and I agree that Europe must step up.

But where is the ongoing supply of materiel going to come from? Does Europe have the specialist armaments manufacturing capacity to produce it quickly?

And then there are troops. Do Ukraine have enough of them?

Also, history teaches us not to write of Russian longevity and endurance.

Russia has a unique set of demographic issues this time though ie a (relative) shortage of men of fighting age.

Putin had to attack when he did because in a decade, he wouldn’t have the manpower to fight the way the Russians fight. He needed the 3 day military operation to take 3 days. He needed his perceived brethren in Ukraine (no laughing up the back) to join with him on his crusade West.

[Bridge hibs]

Russia has a unique set of demographic issues this time though ie a (relative) shortage of men of fighting age.

Putin had to attack when he did because in a decade, he wouldn’t have the manpower to fight the way the Russians fight. He needed the 3 day military operation to take 3 days. He needed his perceived brethren in Ukraine (no laughing up the back) to join with him on his crusade West.Russia have a population of around 143 million and it surprises me that they cant muster a powerfully trained army from that population as opposed to using prisoners and Koreans. I get that a chunk of that population are Women (not saying they cant fight) children and elderly but surely they could get a couple of hundred thousand or more if they really had to step things up.

[Smartie]

Russia have a population of around 143 million and it surprises me that they cant muster a powerfully trained army from that population as opposed to using prisoners and Koreans. I get that a chunk of that population are Women (not saying they cant fight) children and elderly but surely they could get a couple of hundred thousand or more if they really had to step things up.

Possibly - but at great cost.

They don’t want to recruit from the big cities in the West of the country as it’s politically unpalatable. It’s normally cheap meat from the peripheries that they churn through during wars and they’ve all but used that up.

With the brain drain they’ve suffered since the war started, they have a finite number of “skilled” people who they don’t really want to chuck into a battlefield to die, as the country still needs to function.

So, given who they’ve lost already and when you take into account the length of their border that needs defending even during normal times, a huge number can be whittled down to a much smaller one really quite quickly.

[Stairway 2 7]

It would be and I agree that Europe must step up.

But where is the ongoing supply of materiel going to come from? Does Europe have the specialist armaments manufacturing capacity to produce it quickly?

And then there are troops. Do Ukraine have enough of them?

Also, history teaches us not to write of Russian longevity and endurance.

After a horrendously slow start Europe has eventually ramped up production and can produce everything Ukraine needs, it's will and money. Czech Republic stepped up on the shell front last year and Germany's Rheinmetall is building factories inside Ukraine.

Need to remember the US went 4 months previously sending no equipment when senate was locked on the subject. Ukraine I read has shell's and ammo until autumn delivered. Sweden and Norway have just announced record packages to Ukraine this week, the UK Is rumoured to do the same next week and the papers are saying the EU will just announce £20 billion.

This should be a favour from the US in getting Europe the most united it's been in decades.

With rumours of the US threatening to stop Ukraines starling, which were bought mostly from Poland and subscriptions paid each month. I would ban it and Teslas in Europe if they stopped buy the fascist owner

[Stairway 2 7]

Russia have a population of around 143 million and it surprises me that they cant muster a powerfully trained army from that population as opposed to using prisoners and Koreans. I get that a chunk of that population are Women (not saying they cant fight) children and elderly but surely they could get a couple of hundred thousand or more if they really had to step things up.

It's a very old nation with a low birth rate. Pre war the population was expected to drop to 100 million in 2050. Take away 1 million young men and over 1 million people escaping Russia post war and who knows what the figure will be now.

[Hibs4185]

Just read that they might be close to signing the minerals deal, although it did say it was because Musk threatened to turn off Starlink.

You have to wonder why Trump and Musk are so desperate for the minerals deal. Nothing to do with these minerals being needed for electric cars I bet.

Absolute ****bags but if it means Ukraine gets US support and helps defeat Putin then unfortunately I think it needs to be signed. Maybe when Trump leaves power it can be renegotiated but it’s better to have beaten Putin and have a country than see Putin thrive and potentially conquer more.

I’ve found myself genuinely upset at the state the world has found itself in the last few days. There’s always optimism and why not but Trump cozying up to Putin has been sickening.

Hopefully Europe can get its act together and it may lead to closer ties between the UK and Europe. Certainly Macron is up for the fight, hopefully Starmer is too.

Let’s see what the next few days brings

[Hibrandenburg]

Just read that they might be close to signing the minerals deal, although it did say it was because Musk threatened to turn off Starlink.

You have to wonder why Trump and Musk are so desperate for the minerals deal. Nothing to do with these minerals being needed for electric cars I bet.

Absolute ****bags but if it means Ukraine gets US support and helps defeat Putin then unfortunately I think it needs to be signed. Maybe when Trump leaves power it can be renegotiated but it’s better to have beaten Putin and have a country than see Putin thrive and potentially conquer more.

I’ve found myself genuinely upset at the state the world has found itself in the last few days. There’s always optimism and why not but Trump cozying up to Putin has been sickening.

Hopefully Europe can get its act together and it may lead to closer ties between the UK and Europe. Certainly Macron is up for the fight, hopefully Starmer is too.

Let’s see what the next few days brings

Will the US help Ukraine? It's the Molotov/Ribbentrop deal all over again. Putin gets land and Trump the natural resources. This is more than just the US stopping the war, this is about the US getting a cut in the spoils of war.

[Ozyhibby]

I’d sign the minerals deal if I were them. It’s signed under duress and is unenforceable in law. And once Trump is gone it won’t be pursued by the US. It can’t be open ended though. The level of support asked for from the US should be clearly stated.
In fact it should be based on what is achieved. Only victory and the Russians out of all of Ukraine triggers it.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/FocQITpJnaQ?si=d9MEHS_F4VCzTCBe

This from Alex Younger on Newsnight the other night is very good. He knows the world we are heading into and it’s not based on rule of law but on hard power. Also identifies Russian weaknesses and says they won’t last another year of this fighting.


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[greenlex]

I honestly think Europe should just tell Trump to **** right off and we should sort this out ourselves. Russia are clearly on their knees and now is the time for us to really get behind Ukraine and chase them out of their country. Troops in the ground if needed. It would be over by winter.

[Smartie]

I honestly think Europe should just tell Trump to **** right off and we should sort this out ourselves. Russia are clearly on their knees and now is the time for us to really get behind Ukraine and chase them out of their country. Troops in the ground if needed. It would be over by winter.

Whilst it's tempting to tell him to f off, he still has the potential to make life either much easier or much more difficult so I hope they don't.

But he's not a reliable ally so I hope they are doing exactly what you say - carrying on without him. I don't think troops on the ground is the answer yet, but helping arm the Ukrainians to the teeth so they can push the Russians back out is the answer.

Whatever happens in the Trump pantomime can carry on alongside all of that.

Ultimately I think it's in America's interests to be on our side and I think they know it too. They're just pissing about. Why, is very much open to speculation. Krasnov probably has a fair idea though.

[superfurryhibby]

Europe needs to start detaching itself from the clutches of the USA. Time to get rid of their military, the air and naval bases. Step up and promote a coordinated defence strategy.

[Hibs4185]

Zelenskyy says he will step down if needed.

What a dictator

[Stairway 2 7]

Zelenskyy says he will step down if needed.

What a dictator

Brilliant from him. Says he'll happily step down tomorrow if NATO for Ukraine or a guaranteed safety agreement is signed. Says he agreed with Biden to pay back the aid dollar for dollar but uk and Germany said they don't have to return it. He says Trump wants multiples on the loans in the same week they gift Israel 1 billion in arms

Zelensky
"If the United States, our friendly partners, vote in Congress to give us $50 billion in aid, we are obliged to return $100 billion.

I have a question that no one can honestly answer for me. When the United States sells arms to Israel, Qatar, the Emirates, Saudi Arabia, do they ask them for a 100% surcharge? I'm not signing something that 10 generations of Ukrainians are going to pay later"

[Ozyhibby]

Zelenskyy says he will step down if needed.

What a dictator

Yip, it appears he does not quite understand how dictatorship works.[emoji2369]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Yip, it appears he does not quite understand how dictatorship works.[emoji2369]


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Don't you just storm the capital if you are democratic

[Hibrandenburg]

Brilliant from him. Says he'll happily step down tomorrow if NATO for Ukraine or a guaranteed safety agreement is signed. Says he agreed with Biden to pay back the aid dollar for dollar but uk and Germany said they don't have to return it. He says Trump wants multiples on the loans in the same week they gift Israel 1 billion in arms

Zelensky
"If the United States, our friendly partners, vote in Congress to give us $50 billion in aid, we are obliged to return $100 billion.

I have a question that no one can honestly answer for me. When the United States sells arms to Israel, Qatar, the Emirates, Saudi Arabia, do they ask them for a 100% surcharge? I'm not signing something that 10 generations of Ukrainians are going to pay later"

Nothing new from the US, the UK made its final payment to the US for WW2 support in 2006.

[The Tubs]

Nothing new from the US, the UK made its final payment to the US for WW2 support in 2006.

It ended up being really badly coordinated by the British government. If I recall correctly, Keynes was given the job of negotiating the post-war financial order with the US treasury and this was part of the settlement. However, a few months later Churchill gave the Iron Curtain speech, which opened the door to the Marshall plan and mainland Europe got off with paying nothing back. If Churchill had come up with that a little earlier, he could have saved the UK a fortune.

[jamie_1875]

Nothing new from the US, the UK made its final payment to the US for WW2 support in 2006.

Slightly different, the loan was after WW2 and rebuilding the economy.

[Hibrandenburg]

Slightly different, the loan was after WW2 and rebuilding the economy.

The point that it made the UK financially dependent on the US still stands. America has made a business of war, the world wars turned the US into a super power and the proxy wars during the cold war saw the US boom. Biden was altruistic in his support for the Ukraine, Trump has just resumed normal service.

[superfurryhibby]

The point that it made the UK financially dependent on the US still stands. America has made a business of war, the world wars turned the US into a super power and the proxy wars during the cold war saw the US boom. Biden was altruistic in his support for the Ukraine, Trump has just resumed normal service.

Add making a business of cold war, something that USA vested interests must have found hugely profitable.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Canada announces it’s sending USD 5 billion of Russia’s frozen funds and a number of new weapons systems to Ukraine, including:

- 25 LAVIII infantry fighting vehicles,
- Artillery shells
- F-16 flight simulators

[StevieC]

Europe needs to distance itself from Trump and step up for Ukraine. Macron did a pretty good job yesterday.

How Trump can be negotiating business deals in the middle of a war is beyond comprehension. Last time I looked, extorting money for “protection” was a criminal offence? 🤔

[Smartie]

Europe needs to distance itself from Trump and step up for Ukraine. Macron did a pretty good job yesterday.

How Trump can be negotiating business deals in the middle of a war is beyond comprehension. Last time I looked, extorting money for “protection” was a criminal offence? ��

Couldn't agree more with your final sentence. It's truly despicable behaviour and I think we need to think long and hard about trading with anyone who behaves like that.

It appears that right now 4 power blocs are emerging - America, Europe, Russia and China.

I'd like to see us in the UK go all in with Europe, but of the other 3, the Chinese actually seem to be the most reasonable to want to be in some sort of co-operation with, as utterly bizarre as that is.

Trump's America is vile and it's going to get very ugly for they themselves when their chickens come home to roost.

Sadly, we won't be unaffected by it.

[Lendo]

Couldn't agree more with your final sentence. It's truly despicable behaviour and I think we need to think long and hard about trading with anyone who behaves like that.

It appears that right now 4 power blocs are emerging - America, Europe, Russia and China.

I'd like to see us in the UK go all in with Europe, but of the other 3, the Chinese actually seem to be the most reasonable to want to be in some sort of co-operation with, as utterly bizarre as that is.

Trump's America is vile and it's going to get very ugly for they themselves when their chickens come home to roost.

Sadly, we won't be unaffected by it.

How expensive are the eggs from those chickens though? That's what really matters to Americans apparently...…..

[Bostonhibby]

Europe needs to distance itself from Trump and step up for Ukraine. Macron did a pretty good job yesterday.

How Trump can be negotiating business deals in the middle of a war is beyond comprehension. Last time I looked, extorting money for “protection” was a criminal offence? [emoji848]Absolutely agree, couldn't have put it better myself.

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[Jim44]

Our enemy’s friends are our enemy. Where does this put Trump and his sheep?

[Hibrandenburg]

Rumours that Zelensky will sign a deal which gives Trump access to Ukrainian minerals on Friday.

[Smartie]

Rumours that Zelensky will sign a deal which gives Trump access to Ukrainian minerals on Friday.

I saw that on the Sky News ticker.

It surprised me as I’d heard the deal was dead and that Europe and Ukraine had an alternative deal in place that would have more than compensated.

[Bridge hibs]

Rumours that Zelensky will sign a deal which gives Trump access to Ukrainian minerals on Friday.

Saw Zelensky on tv this morning, he looks a shattered man and its no ****ing wonder, I bet he hasnt had a decent sleep in a long time. I hope if there ever is peace then he retire somewhere safe and try live a normalised life again if ever he will.

[Smartie]

Rumours that Zelensky will sign a deal which gives Trump access to Ukrainian minerals on Friday.

Re Trump and his “deal”.

Trump demanded that a deal be done to save face.

The deal that is currently on the table and due to be signed is the one proposed by the Ukrainian legal team, who can’t believe their luck.

The EU dropped their offer as there wasn’t anything that they could reasonably offer that was so favourable to the Ukrainians. No strings attached re the war with Russia.

Seemingly.

“The Art of the Deal”.

[silverhibee]

Europe needs to distance itself from Trump and step up for Ukraine. Macron did a pretty good job yesterday.

How Trump can be negotiating business deals in the middle of a war is beyond comprehension. Last time I looked, extorting money for “protection” was a criminal offence? 🤔

I honestly think he is running some sort of Mafia syndicate, his soldiers doing the dirty work while he plays golf and Musk doing the hits.

[Smartie]

https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/articles/2025/02/26/7205922/

[K-Zazu]

If Trump and his crew didn’t get into the White House and Kamala got in how what direction would this war have taken do you think? Would America have just kept on supporting Ukraine with weapons etc? I don’t follow the news at all really so always come on here to try and keep updated.

[Colr]

Re Trump and his “deal”.

Trump demanded that a deal be done to save face.

The deal that is currently on the table and due to be signed is the one proposed by the Ukrainian legal team, who can’t believe their luck.

The EU dropped their offer as there wasn’t anything that they could reasonably offer that was so favourable to the Ukrainians. No strings attached re the war with Russia.

Seemingly.

“The Art of the Deal”.

If America has substantial interests in Ukraine, its more likely to defend those interests against Russian incursions. Zalenski has been clever, I think, as he proposed this.

[Jim44]

Where does the Trump minerals deal with Ukraine put the Russians?

[cabbageandribs1875]

North Korea have sent more troops to Ukraine https://apnews.com/article/north-korea-russia-ukraine-troops-6e7fdfdc3a9c3fb5bd887aff0ddca343

[Colr]

North Korea have sent more troops to Ukraine https://apnews.com/article/north-korea-russia-ukraine-troops-6e7fdfdc3a9c3fb5bd887aff0ddca343

‘Cos the first lot they sent are dead.

[Jones28]

North Korea have sent more troops to Ukraine https://apnews.com/article/north-korea-russia-ukraine-troops-6e7fdfdc3a9c3fb5bd887aff0ddca343

4000 casualties first time around before they were pulled, I bet the Ukrainian troops are quaking in their boots.

[tamig]

4000 casualties first time around before they were pulled, I bet the Ukrainian troops are quaking in their boots.

They won’t fear their fighting capabilities. Its the grind that will be deflating. Their leader clearly attaches the same principles to life as Putin does. Just keep throwing more bodies at it until Ukraine can’t provide any more. Although I suspect we’ll see an end to the fighting “soon”.

[judas]

Well I can’t believe what I just heard live from the Oval Office.

Incredible for a US President to be arguing like that in front of the public. Unprecedented in my lifetime.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That press conference with Trump, Vance and Zelenskyy was unbelievable and truly disturbing. It was tantamount to the bullying and humiliation of the Ukrainian president in front of the TV cameras. Trump said flat out that Ukraine must sign any peace deal they are presented with, otherwise America is out. Subtext means they are really telling him to surrender huge parts of Ukraine to Russia in exchange for a ceasefire.

God knows where this leaves Ukraine now. Is it even possible that Europe, along with Canada and possibly others could help Ukraine to fight on without American assistance? It’s a disaster.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Well I can’t believe what I just heard live from the Oval Office.

Incredible for a US President to be arguing like that in front of the public. Unprecedented in my lifetime.

A total ***** show and a disgrace, even by Trump’s standards.

[Ozyhibby]

That press conference with Trump, Vance and Zelenskyy was unbelievable and truly disturbing. It was tantamount to the bullying and humiliation of the Ukrainian president in front of the TV cameras. Trump said flat out that Ukraine must sign any peace deal they are presented with, otherwise America is out. Subtext means they are really telling him to surrender huge parts of Ukraine to Russia in exchange for a ceasefire.

God knows where this leaves Ukraine now. Is it even possible that Europe, along with Canada and possibly others could help Ukraine to fight on without American assistance? It’s a disaster.

Yes Europe can fund this and will. The US are out, we need to move on.
The best Trump could have got was to freeze the conflict but that’s no goood for Ukraine. Russia will never give back any land as part of a deal. They can’t. He can only be defeated.


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[lapsedhibee]

Actually preferred Trump's behaviour today, which was as his usual obnoxious self. When he was in with Starmer yesterday, talking about Starmer's 'beautiful accent', it was downright creepy.

[18Craig75]

Fair play to Zelenskyy, not giving in to a glorified play ground bully. Starmer performance yesterday has won him some plaudits but I personally found it quite nauseating and weak.

Time for Europe to step up and properly support Ukraine towards winning this war. It’s crucial to the future of European security. I’d support the EU advancing Ukraines integration into the bloc and would implore the UK to begin negotiating terms on a re-entry to the EU. Not only would it improve our economy it could be essential for our future security. Whilst Trump/Vance/Maga are in the White House, NATO is not reliable - a EU defence force should be created asap.

[greenlex]

I honestly think Europe should just tell Trump to **** right off and we should sort this out ourselves. Russia are clearly on their knees and now is the time for us to really get behind Ukraine and chase them out of their country. Troops in the ground if needed. It would be over by winter.
I think this even more after the last few days.

[AgentDaleCooper]

I think this even more after the last few days.

I wonder if Trump would end up trying to get back on our side if/when he saw the opportunity to carve up a post Putin Russia...

The only (but massive) danger in all of this is what Putin does when diffeat is inevitable for him...

[judas]

I wonder if Trump would end up trying to get back on our side if/when he saw the opportunity to carve up a post Putin Russia...

The only (but massive) danger in all of this is what Putin does when diffeat is inevitable for him...

"Either we're going to end it or let him fight it out, and if he fights it out, it's not going to be pretty," Trump said. "Because without us, he doesn't win."

I know the views of learned people on here differ. But listening to Trump, the NATO chief and leaders of various countries this seems to be the prevailing thought.

Seems crazy. A country with a gdp less than that of each of the large European countries and with a depleted military dictating the possible outcome.

Talk about snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.

The tail is wagging the dog. Surely Europe must find its mojo at todays summit?!

[Ozyhibby]

"Either we're going to end it or let him fight it out, and if he fights it out, it's not going to be pretty," Trump said. "Because without us, he doesn't win."

I know the views of learned people on here differ. But listening to Trump, the NATO chief and leaders of various countries this seems to be the prevailing thought.

Seems crazy. A country with a gdp less than that of each of the large European countries and with a depleted military dictating the possible outcome.

Talk about snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.

The tail is wagging the dog. Surely Europe must find its mojo at todays summit?!

Europe and Ukraine can over power Russia but without the US it becomes more difficult. We don’t have the survelance infrastructure that they have as well as major shortfalls in logistics.
However, this is a ground war on our doorstep so we should still be able to prevail.


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[Hibs4185]

Europe and Ukraine can over power Russia but without the US it becomes more difficult. We don’t have the survelance infrastructure that they have as well as major shortfalls in logistics.
However, this is a ground war on our doorstep so we should still be able to prevail.


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Russia are currently using donkeys on the front line. If we can’t beat Russia now without the US then Europe is in a very bad place.

[jamie_1875]

What's the deal with some SNP figures saying Trump's visit should be cancelled? Seems a bit like student politics to me (and is following the lead of Maggie Chapman and Patrick Harvie which is never a good idea)

Get him over and make sure the safety and security of Ukraine is the number one item on the agenda. Time for grown up politics and not acting like the local student branch.

What would making him more angry and not talking to him achieve exactly? By all means protest but engage and use diplomacy as that is what is needed. Starmer is doing a good job, so far.

Edit: Stewart McDonald ex SNP MP gets it right.

A US that abandons Ukraine, prevents US weaponry being donated and perhaps even walks away from NATO entirely, will be far worse for us than having to grin and bear the sight of President Trump descend the steps of Air Force One at Prestwick Airport. I don't even like the idea of his plane refuelling in the UK, but we need to get real.

[lapsedhibee]

What's the deal with some SNP figures saying Trump's visit should be cancelled? Seems a bit like student politics to me (and is following the lead of Maggie Chapman and Patrick Harvie which is never a good idea)

Get him over and make sure the safety and security of Ukraine is the number one item on the agenda. Time for grown up politics and not acting like the local student branch.

What would making him more angry and not talking to him achieve exactly? By all means protest but engage and use diplomacy as that is what is needed. Starmer is doing a good job, so far.

Edit: Stewart McDonald ex SNP MP gets it right.

A US that abandons Ukraine, prevents US weaponry being donated and perhaps even walks away from NATO entirely, will be far worse for us than having to grin and bear the sight of President Trump descend the steps of Air Force One at Prestwick Airport. I don't even like the idea of his plane refuelling in the UK, but we need to get real.

Trump's already made it clear that the safety and security of Ukraine is nowhere near number one on his agenda.

[jamie_1875]

Trump's already made it clear that the safety and security of Ukraine is nowhere near number one on his agenda.

Then it's up to the international community to do something about it, you do that with diplomacy not acting like the leader of a protest group.

Some sensible voices.

A senior SNP insider said Flynn’s remarks were not appropriate: “What’s important is Ukraine and its future. We need to get the Americans back onside and I would applaud the Prime Minister for his efforts. You don’t f****** divide over this stuff. I really despair over his comments. Trump represents the presidency and Stephen should have played a straight bat. It was all aggressive and one-paced.”

Ian Murray "This is time for strong leadership, diplomacy and determination. All Flynn offers is Twitter rants and childish political point scoring. As the PM said yesterday, he will get on with the job whilst others carp from the sidelines."

[Hibs4185]

In regards to the state visit, I can understand both sides, however if we cancel, Trump will spit the dummy and potentially make any deal worse for Ukraine and Britain could suffer.

Keep the state visit and potentially keep him onside may yield beyter results long term.

Also, the public will surely protest and show him the true feelings of the country which could be more beneficial than cancelling.

[Bristolhibby]

In regards to the state visit, I can understand both sides, however if we cancel, Trump will spit the dummy and potentially make any deal worse for Ukraine and Britain could suffer.

Keep the state visit and potentially keep him onside may yield beyter results long term.

Also, the public will surely protest and show him the true feelings of the country which could be more beneficial than cancelling.

Classic example of soft power. We just have to hold our noses and get on with it.

J

[Smartie]

The King is a busy man.

That visit might not happen for a good few months yet.

It would be a real shame, a real big shame, if Trump did something in the meantime to jeopardise it happening.

[Ozyhibby]

Starmer still obsessing over a peacekeeping force?[emoji2369]
We are nowhere near needing one because Putin will never agree to any sort of deal.


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[Bostonhibby]

Starmer still obsessing over a peacekeeping force?[emoji2369]
We are nowhere near needing one because Putin will never agree to any sort of deal.


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Maybe the best peace keeping force might be a massing of forces and weaponry on whatever the border between EU/NATO countries and Ukraine currently is, or anywhere else in Ukraine that Zelensky is comfortable with?

Exclude the Russian satellite of the USA from NATO obviously.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

how on earth did the Ukranians manage to hit 1400km inside Russia :confused: Anton Gerashchenko on X: "Russian Telegram channels report an attack on Ufimskiy oil refinery in Ufa, Bashkortostan region of Russia. The refinery is one of the largest in Russia and produces fuel for the Russian army. https://t.co/zfhqrnU0Kb" / X (https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1896329609001812253)

[lapsedhibee]

how on earth did the Ukranians manage to hit 1400km inside Russia :confused: Anton Gerashchenko on X: "Russian Telegram channels report an attack on Ufimskiy oil refinery in Ufa, Bashkortostan region of Russia. The refinery is one of the largest in Russia and produces fuel for the Russian army. https://t.co/zfhqrnU0Kb" / X (https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1896329609001812253)

There are Ukrainians in Russia, no?

[grunt]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/bafkreif7zcituermqzgnjdn7kp7vtcamp6v2walhiukiu6nuk 4iy6wcux4@jpeg

[DaveF]

US pauses military aid to Ukraine.

[Smartie]

US pauses military aid to Ukraine.

My partner’s dad was talking about a trip he has planned in May to go over to America first to Texas to see family we have over there and then up to California for a sightseeing trip with some friends of theirs from Pennsylvania.

In the current climate I don’t think there’s any way I could visit the USA or be civil to Americans. Their betrayal of the Ukrainian people - and us - is a few levels beyond sickening. Not unexpected, but sickening.

The shift in people like Rubio and Graham has been disgusting, and is unforgivable.

Our relationship - it’s over. You can’t have relationships with people who behave like that.

[Hibs4185]

My partner’s dad was talking about a trip he has planned in May to go over to America first to Texas to see family we have over there and then up to California for a sightseeing trip with some friends of theirs from Pennsylvania.

In the current climate I don’t think there’s any way I could visit the USA or be civil to Americans. Their betrayal of the Ukrainian people - and us - is a few levels beyond sickening. Not unexpected, but sickening.

The shift in people like Rubio and Graham has been disgusting, and is unforgivable.

Our relationship - it’s over. You can’t have relationships with people who behave like that.

Feel the exact same. We are supposed to have a big family cruise next year after spending two weeks in Florida.

Not going to go, I feel that strongly about America and it’s current values

[Hibrandenburg]

My partner’s dad was talking about a trip he has planned in May to go over to America first to Texas to see family we have over there and then up to California for a sightseeing trip with some friends of theirs from Pennsylvania.

In the current climate I don’t think there’s any way I could visit the USA or be civil to Americans. Their betrayal of the Ukrainian people - and us - is a few levels beyond sickening. Not unexpected, but sickening.

The shift in people like Rubio and Graham has been disgusting, and is unforgivable.

Our relationship - it’s over. You can’t have relationships with people who behave like that.

I know I won't bring the US economy to its knees, but I'm trying to avoid buying American products. I was really kicking myself last week when I made a spontaneous purchase of a bottle of Jack Daniels, wasn't until I left the supermarket that I realised what I'd done. Every time I pour a glass I'll toast Slava Ukraini to make up for my faux pas.

[Hibs4185]

I know I won't bring the US economy to its knees, but I'm trying to avoid buying American products. I was really kicking myself last week when I made a spontaneous purchase of a bottle of Jack Daniels, wasn't until I left the supermarket that I realised what I'd done. Every time I pour a glass I'll toast Slava Ukraini to make up for my faux pas.

It didn’t go ahead last night but usually I’d watch the starship launches. I fell asleep before it but I was tossing and turning whether to watch it

[JimBHibees]

What's the deal with some SNP figures saying Trump's visit should be cancelled? Seems a bit like student politics to me (and is following the lead of Maggie Chapman and Patrick Harvie which is never a good idea)

Get him over and make sure the safety and security of Ukraine is the number one item on the agenda. Time for grown up politics and not acting like the local student branch.

What would making him more angry and not talking to him achieve exactly? By all means protest but engage and use diplomacy as that is what is needed. Starmer is doing a good job, so far.

Edit: Stewart McDonald ex SNP MP gets it right.

A US that abandons Ukraine, prevents US weaponry being donated and perhaps even walks away from NATO entirely, will be far worse for us than having to grin and bear the sight of President Trump descend the steps of Air Force One at Prestwick Airport. I don't even like the idea of his plane refuelling in the UK, but we need to get real.

Sometimes good to have some morals when faced with the opposite. Starmer has put himself in an awkward position trying to pander to Trumps ego.

[Ozyhibby]

Sometimes good to have some morals when faced with the opposite. Starmer has put himself in an awkward position trying to pander to Trumps ego.

Starmer is making himself look foolish in denying reality.


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[Berwickhibby]

I know I won't bring the US economy to its knees, but I'm trying to avoid buying American products. I was really kicking myself last week when I made a spontaneous purchase of a bottle of Jack Daniels, wasn't until I left the supermarket that I realised what I'd done. Every time I pour a glass I'll toast Slava Ukraini to make up for my faux pas.

Stick to buying Asbach…my favourite 🥃

[Hibrandenburg]

Stick to buying Asbach…my favourite 🥃

🤮

[Kato]

Starmer is making himself look foolish in denying reality.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI don't think he is. He's playing diplomacy with Trump/Vance to force them to show their hand. The longer they don't criticise the Russians the more they reveal themselves.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Seems like Zelensky agrees with the UK French proposal of a first stage closing the air and sea and not hitting energy or civilian infrastructure. Putin and Trump will now refuse and look like idiots


Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
I would like to reiterate Ukraine’s commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive.

Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively

[Berwickhibby]

🤮

Bit rich considering you are drinking Yankee Gnats p1sh :greengrin:greengrin

[Hibs4185]

The Aldi bourbon is alright lol

[Hibrandenburg]

Bit rich considering you are drinking Yankee Gnats p1sh :greengrin:greengrin

Makes me appreciate a good malt, sometimes you have to suffer to be able to enjoy. :wink:

[s.a.m]

Various sources saying that the CIA director has paused military intelligence sharing with Ukraine. May be reinstated, depending on Zelensky making peace efforts.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/05/politics/us-pause-intelligence-support-ukraine/index.html

[Paulie Walnuts]

My partner’s dad was talking about a trip he has planned in May to go over to America first to Texas to see family we have over there and then up to California for a sightseeing trip with some friends of theirs from Pennsylvania.

In the current climate I don’t think there’s any way I could visit the USA or be civil to Americans. Their betrayal of the Ukrainian people - and us - is a few levels beyond sickening. Not unexpected, but sickening.

The shift in people like Rubio and Graham has been disgusting, and is unforgivable.

Our relationship - it’s over. You can’t have relationships with people who behave like that.

Likewise. I’ve been to America more times than I could count but the last couple of months have left me in no doubt I won’t be back for the foreseeable.

[Hibs4185]

As well as not sharing intelligence, they’ve even turned off the targeting systems on HIMARS etc.

Not only is a *hit move for Ukraine but who’s going to want to buy American systems when they can potentially be turned off if you disagree with Trump or any other president who disagrees with you

[s.a.m]

As well as not sharing intelligence, they’ve even turned off the targeting systems on HIMARS etc.

Not only is a *hit move for Ukraine but who’s going to want to buy American systems when they can potentially be turned off if you disagree with Trump or any other president who disagrees with you

...or satellite access that Elon Musk can turn on and off as he sees fit?

[Ozyhibby]

...or satellite access that Elon Musk can turn on and off as he sees fit?

Europe is going to have to start doing a lot of things itself from now on.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Europe is going to have to start doing a lot of things itself from now on.


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High up on the list has to be the capability of disabling satellites. We now have to think the unthinkable and prepare for a scenario where the US is a threat to our security rather than its guarantor.

[Ozyhibby]

https://bsky.app/profile/gresselgustav.bsky.social/post/3ljpbwt67gs25

Interesting thread on how useless the F-35 has now become to Europe. It’s going to be a very expensive transition over the next 10-20 years.


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[One Day Soon]

High up on the list has to be the capability of disabling satellites. We now have to think the unthinkable and prepare for a scenario where the US is a threat to our security rather than its guarantor.

Trump is forcing Europe, collectively, from an ally to a competitor. I doubt he realises it. He probably imagines we will just suck it up and carry on.

He's wrong and this will probably drive an economic and military renaissance for Europe in the medium to long term, including the capacity to act fully autonomously in military terms. It will be expensive and painful but it will happen. And lots of parts of the world that aren't geographically Europe are suddenly going to be a lot more interested in London, Paris and Berlin. Looking at you Canada, Australia and Japan.

I wonder what he imagines the impact will be on the US military/industrial complex of Europe focussing its enormously increased spend on domestic innovation and production rather than US imports. As pointed out above, why would you buy from a regime that isn't a reliable ally and which has demonstrated the capacity and short-sightedness of being willing to switch your systems off?

The Canadians are right - 'elbows up'.

[Smartie]

Trump is forcing Europe, collectively, from an ally to a competitor. I doubt he realises it. He probably imagines we will just suck it up and carry on.

He's wrong and this will probably drive an economic and military renaissance for Europe in the medium to long term, including the capacity to act fully autonomously in military terms. It will be expensive and painful but it will happen. And lots of parts of the world that aren't geographically Europe are suddenly going to be a lot more interested in London, Paris and Berlin. Looking at you Canada, Australia and Japan.

I wonder what he imagines the impact will be on the US military/industrial complex of Europe focussing its enormously increased spend on domestic innovation and production rather than US imports. As pointed out above, why would you buy from a regime that isn't a reliable ally and which has demonstrated the capacity and short-sightedness of being willing to switch your systems off?

The Canadians are right - 'elbows up'.

Apart from anything else it all appears to be an exercise in enormous self harm.

Narcissists are dangerous, they think they know better than people who know what they're talking about.

No doubt there will be other losers along the way but the main losers, the biggest victims of every single one of their current actions, every step of the way, will be America.

[Ozyhibby]

Apart from anything else it all appears to be an exercise in enormous self harm.

Narcissists are dangerous, they think they know better than people who know what they're talking about.

No doubt there will be other losers along the way but the main losers, the biggest victims of every single one of their current actions, every step of the way, will be America.

The main thing is that Ukraine can continue fighting. Europe will need to step up support. The two most important things in this war is artillery and drones, both of which Ukraine manufactures itself. They still need more artillery but the Russian advantage was 10-1 and it’s now 2-1. It won’t be long until Ukraine builds and advantage there itself. They already have a drone advantage. It’s just about money now. We need to make sure they have enough.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250306/68c184798ec5d44656fae2631021b319.png

Time to start ignoring Trump and get on with the business of arming ourselves.


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[greenlex]

Trump is forcing Europe, collectively, from an ally to a competitor. I doubt he realises it. He probably imagines we will just suck it up and carry on.

He's wrong and this will probably drive an economic and military renaissance for Europe in the medium to long term, including the capacity to act fully autonomously in military terms. It will be expensive and painful but it will happen. And lots of parts of the world that aren't geographically Europe are suddenly going to be a lot more interested in London, Paris and Berlin. Looking at you Canada, Australia and Japan.

I wonder what he imagines the impact will be on the US military/industrial complex of Europe focussing its enormously increased spend on domestic innovation and production rather than US imports. As pointed out above, why would you buy from a regime that isn't a reliable ally and which has demonstrated the capacity and short-sightedness of being willing to switch your systems off?

The Canadians are right - 'elbows up'.
Just back from Australia (well Western Australia) last week and the rhetoric there is very much pro Australia/rest of the world. Only hesitation would be mineral export and aluminium production consequences in particular.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Time to start ignoring Trump and get on with the business of arming ourselves.


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:agree: Trump seems to be aiming to divide the world into 3 areas of geopolitical influence with him having control of the Americas, the Chinese Asia and the Russians Europe. Who knows, maybe this has even been agreed upon behind closed doors.

Europe needs to make sure that doesn't happen here and the EU has to transform from an economic market to an economic and military Super Power and fast.

With the recent changes, the geopolitical situation we have now resembles more that of pre WW1 Europe than the one most of us have grown up with.

[s.a.m]

It's being widely reported that Trump plans to deport 250 000 Ukranian refugees. Apparently predates the row in the Oval Office.

[Jones28]

It's being widely reported that Trump plans to deport 250 000 Ukranian refugees. Apparently predates the row in the Oval Office.

Along with another million plus people on similar Visa's, from all over the World. Crazy stuff. Deporting 250,000 people who have fled war is just about the lowest I think this man could go, watch him shock me.:rolleyes:

[Paul1642]

Trump is forcing Europe, collectively, from an ally to a competitor. I doubt he realises it. He probably imagines we will just suck it up and carry on.

He's wrong and this will probably drive an economic and military renaissance for Europe in the medium to long term, including the capacity to act fully autonomously in military terms. It will be expensive and painful but it will happen. And lots of parts of the world that aren't geographically Europe are suddenly going to be a lot more interested in London, Paris and Berlin. Looking at you Canada, Australia and Japan.

I wonder what he imagines the impact will be on the US military/industrial complex of Europe focussing its enormously increased spend on domestic innovation and production rather than US imports. As pointed out above, why would you buy from a regime that isn't a reliable ally and which has demonstrated the capacity and short-sightedness of being willing to switch your systems off?

The Canadians are right - 'elbows up'.

Whilst being loosely Pro EU, and not a Brexiteer, I never had particularly strong opinions on leaving / rejoining the EU.

The recent changes in global politics have changed that for me and now seems like a really good time to be rejoining. In fact it almost seems necessary.

Both sides would need to swallow pride to make it work, EU by letting us back in to start with and on our previous terms, and the UK by admitting that it didn’t work out. It’s in everyone’s interest and only politics would get in the way.

A referendum would be needed but I could only see to going in favour of remain, despite the inevitable social media campaign backed by Musk and Russia.

[lapsedhibee]

:agree: Trump seems to be aiming to divide the world into 3 areas of geopolitical influence with him having control of the Americas, the Chinese Asia and the Russians Europe. Who knows, maybe this has even been agreed upon behind closed doors.


Yep though I've a hunch Trump might want to retain UK as a colony, for golfing holidays or to prance about in authentic metal hats.

[Ozyhibby]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Norway announces it has decided to increase it's aid for Ukraine this year from 3 Billion Dollars to 8 Billion

[One Day Soon]

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Cheese-eating surrender monkeys eh? Some cheese, some monkeys.

[One Day Soon]

Norway announces it has decided to increase it's aid for Ukraine this year from 3 Billion Dollars to 8 Billion


This is beginning to get some momentum. We could really have a thing here.

[Smartie]

Norway announces it has decided to increase it's aid for Ukraine this year from 3 Billion Dollars to 8 Billion

I’d heard a few days ago that Norway were going to loosen the purse strings… and they are sitting on a highly significant pile of cash.

[jamie_1875]

Estonia have a temporary 2% income tax to massively increase defence spending. Aiming for 5% GDP on defence.

Europe it seems is very serious about this.

[ddoc]

Estonia have a temporary 2% income tax to massively increase defence spending. Aiming for 5% GDP on defence.

Europe it seems is very serious about this.

The UK and Europe, and the likes of Australia, Japan, need to get deadly serious about this.
The USA have put their 21st Century Benedict Arnold in the White House.
It is just rinse and repeat saying that the USA is no longer a trusted member and backbone of NATO.
Who knows how this will end up as Trump is predictably unpredictable.

[Lendo]

From everything I have read and studied this is probably what it felt like living in the 1930's. That growing dread, knowing what probably awaits us around the corner. History sadly really does repeat itself.

[Hibs4185]

Ukraine counter attacking in some areas, lots of panic among Russians. Fingers crossed it’s a full on final assault to grab some land back before a ceasefire

[Smartie]

Ukraine counter attacking in some areas, lots of panic among Russians. Fingers crossed it’s a full on final assault to grab some land back before a ceasefire

Ukraine are doing very well inside of Ukraine right now - because they've prioritised resources there.

They're struggling a bit in Kursk now though - also because of the aforementioned prioritisation of resources.

Russia are in big trouble though. I suspect that's the reason "only Trump knows" that they're keen to get to the negotiating table asap because their position is going to weaken the longer this is stretched out.

[stokesmessiah]

From everything I have read and studied this is probably what it felt like living in the 1930's. That growing dread, knowing what probably awaits us around the corner. History sadly really does repeat itself.

It does feel very much like we are meandering into a repeat of history!

[Jones28]

From everything I have read and studied this is probably what it felt like living in the 1930's. That growing dread, knowing what probably awaits us around the corner. History sadly really does repeat itself.

It does have an air of inevitability that we will see British/NATO and Russian troops fighting.

My optimism comes from the inadequacy of the Russian army. I think if NATO soldiers were deployed the Russians would be kicked out of Ukraine within months, if not weeks.

The scariest thing for me is that if NATO troops crossed in to Russia Putin would push the button and launch Nukes.

I don't think they would, but you never know, NATO might see it as a chance to spark a revolution in Russia.

Personally, if NATO troops were to batter Russia out of Ukraine we should erect a massive **** of a fence and leave them locked behind it for eternity. Completely cut ties on everything, let them do what the **** they want as long as it's behind the fence.

[Ozyhibby]

It does have an air of inevitability that we will see British/NATO and Russian troops fighting.

My optimism comes from the inadequacy of the Russian army. I think if NATO soldiers were deployed the Russians would be kicked out of Ukraine within months, if not weeks.

The scariest thing for me is that if NATO troops crossed in to Russia Putin would push the button and launch Nukes.

I don't think they would, but you never know, NATO might see it as a chance to spark a revolution in Russia.

Personally, if NATO troops were to batter Russia out of Ukraine we should erect a massive **** of a fence and leave them locked behind it for eternity. Completely cut ties on everything, let them do what the **** they want as long as it's behind the fence.

If we arm Ukraine more they can do it for us. The Russians are exhausted in Ukraine. There is no need yet for European troops.


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[Jones28]

If we arm Ukraine more they can do it for us. The Russians are exhausted in Ukraine. There is no need yet for European troops.


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I really hope so, but the cynic in me says that Russia might just be keeping a few proper soldiers in reserve and waiting for an opportunity.

This very topic being discussed on LBC right now.

[One Day Soon]

I really hope so, but the cynic in me says that Russia might just be keeping a few proper soldiers in reserve and waiting for an opportunity.

This very topic being discussed on LBC right now.


They're really not. The Ukrainians have bled the Russians out in terms of troops and kit very effectively. It has opened a decent sized window over the next few years for Europe to muscle up and properly deter Putin before he can get his military back up to scratch.

[Stairway 2 7]

I really hope so, but the cynic in me says that Russia might just be keeping a few proper soldiers in reserve and waiting for an opportunity.

This very topic being discussed on LBC right now.

You don't think they would use them when Ukraine conquered parts of Russia giving them a massive red face. Russia has put everything bar full conscription into this war. Normal people are suffering through hyper inflation, if they could end it they obviously would

[Hibrandenburg]

You don't think they would use them when Ukraine conquered parts of Russia giving them a massive red face. Russia has put everything bar full conscription into this war. Normal people are suffering through hyper inflation, if they could end it they obviously would

They could end it in a heartbeat.

[Ozyhibby]

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Poland will have nuclear capability within the decade, they are going heavily on nuclear energy also. Canada has a very mature nuclear power program which helps the crossover, I can see them thinking likewise due to the madman to the south. It's gutting it's come to this but it's the only option for countries with despots like Putin and Trump on their borders

[Smartie]

Poland will have nuclear capability within the decade, they are going heavily on nuclear energy also. Canada has a very mature nuclear power program which helps the crossover, I can see them thinking likewise due to the madman to the south. It's gutting it's come to this but it's the only option for countries with despots like Putin and Trump on their borders

I heard that Sweden had quietly gone about getting something of their own lately too.

[Ozyhibby]

I heard that Sweden had quietly gone about getting something of their own lately too.

A lot of western countries are only a screwdrivers turn away from it if they want it.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2025/03/russia-ukraine-war-status/681963/?utm_source=bluesky&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=edit-promo

Really good article on why Ukraine remains in a good position to win the war.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Finland will likely withdraw within a few weeks from the Ottawa treaty that bans anti-personnel mines, Jukka Kopra, chairman of the defence committee of the Finnish Parliament announced today, Poland announced today they are withdrawing

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250307-poland-mulls-mines-treaty-exit-plans-military-training-for-men


from what i've been reading it looks like the Ukrainians are getting surrounded in Kursk

well done Agent Krasnov

[Smartie]

Finland will likely withdraw within a few weeks from the Ottawa treaty that bans anti-personnel mines, Jukka Kopra, chairman of the defence committee of the Finnish Parliament announced today, Poland announced today they are withdrawing

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250307-poland-mulls-mines-treaty-exit-plans-military-training-for-men


from what i've been reading it looks like the Ukrainians are getting surrounded in Kursk

well done Agent Krasnov

I don’t think that’s related to anything Trump has or hasn’t done.

Ukraine have finite resources and they are currently prioritising the use of them elsewhere.

As is always the case with the Russians, it’s progress that is coming at great cost.

The withdrawal of American help is unwelcome but not unexpected, and having seen it coming the Europeans have all but compensated for it.

[Ozyhibby]

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Remarkable.

[judas]

Must watch

https://apple.news/ABsEl4ByKTV-GzvbDa0-L4Q

French Senator nails it.

[Ozyhibby]

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[judas]

I’ve spent the last week considering again, how a country with such a weak GDP (about 60% that of the UK before this war) can hold so much power and influence..

It’s incredible that the US dog is being wagged by the Russian tail and it can only be about the nuclear weapons leverage or something compromising the KGB/FSB holds on Trumpet.

Really though, the message appears to be, ‘get yourself nuclear weapons’. Time must be up for the nuclear non proliferation treaty.

Problem is that, new nuclear armed states increase the risk of nuclear war exponentially.

Also listened to BBC today revisiting the theory that the US is trying to prise Russia away from China. That would be nuts on two levels. Firstly, because imho that boat has well and truly sailed. And secondly because moving away from Europe to placate Russia would be like trading your new BMW in for a Lada with no service record.
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Forgive my simplistic analysis/. My mind boggles.

[cabbageandribs1875]

musk is a plank

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlnT82FXoAAfJY-?format=jpg&name=large

[JimBHibees]

Must watch

https://apple.news/ABsEl4ByKTV-GzvbDa0-L4Q

French Senator nails it.

Brilliant speech

[Smartie]

The "five eyes" alliance has become four.

[Hibrandenburg]

The "five eyes" alliance has become four.

Necessary move. Trumpski can't be trusted not to pass on sensitive information to Putin. If the Russians know what things we know that we shouldn't know then they'll know how we know and that will endanger our operatives and their sources abroad.

[Jim44]

The "five eyes" alliance has become four.

Your enemy’s friend is your enemy.

[Ozyhibby]

One good thing about Trump crashing the global economy is that the oil price is plummeting. That’s horrific for Putin.


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[JimBHibees]

The "five eyes" alliance has become four.

What is this in reference to?

[Ozyhibby]

What is this in reference to?

UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have always shared all intelligence with each other.


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[JimBHibees]

UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have always shared all intelligence with each other.


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Ok didn’t realise that. How will that work particularly assuming US will likely generate most of the intelligence?

[Ozyhibby]

Ok didn’t realise that. How will that work particularly assuming US will likely generate most of the intelligence?

Nobody knows just now. The whole thing is in doubt.


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[Bristolhibby]

Ok didn’t realise that. How will that work particularly assuming US will likely generate most of the intelligence?

The whole thing is based on trust. You share with the 5 Eyes as if it’s your own intelligence. They reciprocate in turn.

If one of those participants is a bad actor and could jeopardise your source. They are no longer trustworthy. That goes for blurting things out on TV at best to outright collusion with our enemies at worst.

I still don’t know why there hasn’t been a public inquiry into how our own elections have been manipulated by Russia (BREXIT) and how Russian influence bled into the Tory Party. Lord Medvadev being the son of a KGB agent is unfathomable.

J

[Jim44]

The whole thing is based on trust. You share with the 5 Eyes as if it’s your own intelligence. They reciprocate in turn.

If one of those participants is a bad actor and could jeopardise your source. They are no longer trustworthy. That goes for blurting things out on TV at best to outright collusion with our enemies at worst.

I still don’t know why there hasn’t been a public inquiry into how our own elections have been manipulated by Russia (BREXIT) and how Russian influence bled into the Tory Party. Lord Medvadev being the son of a KGB agent is unfathomable.

J

That’s the longest spelling of ‘Trump’ I’ve ever seen. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

The whole thing is based on trust. You share with the 5 Eyes as if it’s your own intelligence. They reciprocate in turn.

If one of those participants is a bad actor and could jeopardise your source. They are no longer trustworthy. That goes for blurting things out on TV at best to outright collusion with our enemies at worst.

I still don’t know why there hasn’t been a public inquiry into how our own elections have been manipulated by Russia (BREXIT) and how Russian influence bled into the Tory Party. Lord Medvadev being the son of a KGB agent is unfathomable.

J

There was a paper about Russian collusion that Boris refused to release, wonder why? You would think current government would be pushing to release but maybe not given current position

[JimBHibees]

Nobody knows just now. The whole thing is in doubt.


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So has it been confirmed yet or just chat about concerns given the current US policy

[Jim44]

Trump has lifted the pause on sharing intelligence with Ukraine and allies. Putin won’t be happy with the insubordination but I would treat the gesture with deep suspicion. What’s to stop him passing on fake information?

[jamie_1875]

Trump has lifted the pause on sharing intelligence with Ukraine and allies. Putin won’t be happy with the insubordination but I would treat the gesture with deep suspicion. What’s to stop him passing on fake information?

I doubt he passes it across himself. It will be a team of agents and I doubt they would all agree to pass on fake information.

[Hibrandenburg]

I doubt he passes it across himself. It will be a team of agents and I doubt they would all agree to pass on fake information.

Alternatively he could rustle up a team that passes on what Putin wants to pass on. We just don't know so any information is likely to be worthless.

[Jim44]

I doubt he passes it across himself. It will be a team of agents and I doubt they would all agree to pass on fake information.

Why not? They’re all probably ****-scared of the crazy orange Godfather.

[cabbageandribs1875]

so Elonski Muski was wrong to blame the ukranians, surprise surprise Elon Musk faces cyberattack fallout amid business hurdles (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/elon-musk-faces-cyberattack-fallout-amid-business-hurdles/ar-AA1AGioe?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=58ed4b1679f54f18b3ed5e23a507e2b6&ei=29) wonder how big his security detail is, i'm convinced(like i was with Trump) that someone will take a pot shot at him sooner or later.


meanwhile Trumpski is again rolling back on the 50% Tariffs, i hope he plays one game too often, soon

[DaveF]

Looks like Ukraine pulling back from Kursk as the main town on Sudzha has been taken back by Russia.

Whatever bargaining power they had in terms of Kursk seems to have now gone.

[Bristolhibby]

looks like ukraine pulling back from kursk as the main town on sudzha has been taken back by russia.

Whatever bargaining power they had in terms of kursk seems to have now gone.

****!

J

[Ozyhibby]

Looks like Ukraine pulling back from Kursk as the main town on Sudzha has been taken back by Russia.

Whatever bargaining power they had in terms of Kursk seems to have now gone.

Was an interesting move to go into Kursk in first place. Not sure what it was meant to achieve but only they will know if it was a success.
Main thing is they are still in the fight and degrading Russian forces. Have to hope economic pressure on Putin starts to show soon.


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[Keith_M]

Was an interesting move to go into Kursk in first place. Not sure what it was meant to achieve but only they will know if it was a success.
Main thing is they are still in the fight and degrading Russian forces. Have to hope economic pressure on Putin starts to show soon.




Most commentary at the time suggested it was to further stretch the Russian forces, by forcing them to fight on a new front.

Interestingly, it wasn't long after this that Russia requested North Korean assistance.

[Bostonhibby]

Most commentary at the time suggested it was to further stretch the Russian forces, by forcing them to fight on a new front.

Interestingly, it wasn't long after this that Russia requested North Korean assistance.Now Krasnov is delivering for his master the Koreans maybe won't be needed.

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[Jones28]

Trumps latest ramblings are discussing dividing up assets.

Any peace will be a gain for Russia.

[JimBHibees]

Now Krasnov is delivering for his master the Koreans maybe won't be needed.

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Where has this Krasnov reference come from

[s.a.m]

Where has this Krasnov reference come from

A couple of Russians, one more credible (apparently) than the other, have claimed that Trump was recruited as an asset (not neccesarily knowingly) by the Russians in the 1980s. One of them (can't remember which) claims this is the code name he was given. The more credible one says he was a senior intelligence officer responsible for recruiting wealthy businessmen from capitalist countries. He says he didn't recruit Trump himself, but was aware of it happening at the time.

What definitely did happen when he came back was that he paid to publish an open letter criticising US defence spending on other countries, in the US broadsheets.

I've tried and failed to copy the letter, but couldn't get it to work. Here's a page with the link:
https://preview.redd.it/1987-full-page-ad-in-the-new-york-times-washington-post-and-v0-4m0mpeeusake1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&a92a2615
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-yes-trump-paid-030000826.html
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[cabbageandribs1875]

Estonia increasing Defence spending to at least 5% of GDP next year and exceeding that over the coming years




Scholz announces that Germany will allocate EUR 10 Billion in military aid to Ukraine this year.

[JimBHibees]

A couple of Russians, one more credible (apparently) than the other, have claimed that Trump was recruited as an asset (not neccesarily knowingly) by the Russians in the 1980s. One of them (can't remember which) claims this is the code name he was given. The more credible one says he was a senior intelligence officer responsible for recruiting wealthy businessmen from capitalist countries. He says he didn't recruit Trump himself, but was aware of it happening at the time.

What definitely did happen when he came back was that he paid to publish an open letter criticising US defence spending on other countries, in the US broadsheets.

I've tried and failed to copy the letter, but couldn't get it to work. Here's a page with the link:
https://preview.redd.it/1987-full-page-ad-in-the-new-york-times-washington-post-and-v0-4m0mpeeusake1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&a92a2615
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-yes-trump-paid-030000826.html
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Cheers thanks for that

[cabbageandribs1875]

Lithuania increasing military spending from 3.9% this year to 5.25% next year

[Bostonhibby]

Lithuania increasing military spending from 3.9% this year to 5.25% next yearWise decision, won't be long before trump wants to turn them into a golf course. On a clear day he probably thinks he can hit it with a 3 iron from Greenland/Gaza.

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[Hibs4185]

Wise decision, won't be long before trump wants to turn them into a golf course. On a clear day he probably thinks he can hit it with a 3 iron from Greenland/Gaza.

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I wish someone would hit him with a 3 iron

[Smartie]

I wish someone would hit him with a 3 iron

Preferably polonium tipped.

[Bostonhibby]

I wish someone would hit him with a 3 ironForm an orderly queue

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[StevieC]

Was I Kyiv yesterday and was speaking to a Ukrainian involved with Drone production. He was saying the advances they are making in drone technology (both air and sea) almost makes large military spends redundant.

He talked about the millions U.K. is spending on a new aircraft carrier and they would probably be able to take it out with 3 or 4 sea drones. They would even be able to travel under the waterline, making them very difficult to detect. The same went for the Russian tank production.

[Ozyhibby]

Was I Kyiv yesterday and was speaking to a Ukrainian involved with Drone production. He was saying the advances they are making in drone technology (both air and sea) almost makes large military spends redundant.

He talked about the millions U.K. is spending on a new aircraft carrier and they would probably be able to take it out with 3 or 4 sea drones. They would even be able to travel under the waterline, making them very difficult to detect. The same went for the Russian tank production.

The drones are a real equaliser. Ukraine is out producing Russia and have developed more advanced drones as well. Every military in the world should be watching and learning.
Ukraine can keep fighting without the US because of the drones but it is harder without the targeting info, so they’ll try keep them onside. Ukraine hasn’t asked for a single tank in over a year. They are keeping their soldier as far back as possible and doing everything with drones.
I think all the talks in Saudi are a complete waste of time but Ukraine has to keep up the pretence so that Trump feels involved. There is no deal out there that Ukraine and Russia will agree too. Ukraine just needs to keep stringing Trump along.
Russia can’t sustain this much longer.


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[tamig]

The drones are a real equaliser. Ukraine is out producing Russia and have developed more advanced drones as well. Every military in the world should be watching and learning.
Ukraine can keep fighting without the US because of the drones but it is harder without the targeting info, so they’ll try keep them onside. Ukraine hasn’t asked for a single tank in over a year. They are keeping their soldier as far back as possible and doing everything with drones.
I think all the talks in Saudi are a complete waste of time but Ukraine has to keep up the pretence so that Trump feels involved. There is no deal out there that Ukraine and Russia will agree too. Ukraine just needs to keep stringing Trump along.
Russia can’t sustain this much longer.


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Ukraine’s air defences seem to be toiling. That’s where they need real help imo.

[Ozyhibby]

Ukraine’s air defences seem to be toiling. That’s where they need real help imo.

Yes, it’s US intelligence that is important. Longer they keep that going the better. Unfortunately Europe can’t really replace that yet.


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[Jones28]

France and Britain discussing a "re-assurance force" going in to Ukraine if there's a deal agreed. Thoughts?

[Ozyhibby]

France and Britain discussing a "re-assurance force" going in to Ukraine if there's a deal agreed. Thoughts?

There will never be a deal agreed so it’s just posturing from both. If they are going to go in it won’t be with permission from Putin so unless they are willing to do that then they should focus on getting Ukraine what it needs to win.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Wise decision, won't be long before trump wants to turn them into a golf course. On a clear day he probably thinks he can hit it with a 3 iron from Greenland/Gaza.

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France giving Ukraine another 2 Billion Euros in military aid https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250326-macron-announces-%E2%82%AC2-billion-in-military-aid-to-kyiv-ahead-of-ukraine-security-summit

[Bostonhibby]

France giving Ukraine another 2 Billion Euros in military aid https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250326-macron-announces-%E2%82%AC2-billion-in-military-aid-to-kyiv-ahead-of-ukraine-security-summitGood on them, maybe one day the Americans can be parked and focus on building walls etc.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

at least four dead after a Russian strike in Dnipro

[cabbageandribs1875]

Good on them, maybe one day the Americans can be parked and focus on building walls etc.

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unusually no mention of building walls from Trump this time, probably because the AP will have been told not to ask or they'll get their press badge taken away, or something like that

[cabbageandribs1875]

after reviewing the minerals deal with the yanks Zelensky has said Kyiv will not recognise approved U.S. Aid as Loans

apparently a new draft sent from Trump asks for a lot more



i'm sure he will be prepared for the new threats from the big orange beast that will come his way now



latest survey in Ukraine says 69% trust Zelensky

28% of respondents said they didn't

[Paul1642]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20x7z36d56o

Much needed change in narrative from Trump, albeit it’s pretty transparent that he’s mad about not getting what he wants.

I really like the concept of “secondary tariffs” ie sanctions on counties who are buying gas and oil from Russia.

[Smartie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20x7z36d56o

Much needed change in narrative from Trump, albeit it’s pretty transparent that he’s mad about not getting what he wants.

I really like the concept of “secondary tariffs” ie sanctions on counties who are buying gas and oil from Russia.

Be interesting to see where they start and stop with that though.

[McD]

Not sure if this is the best thread, but seen on bbc website this morning that Germany are enacting policies to massive increase their military numbers and spend, due to concerns about Putin continuing across Europe.


Iirc, Hibrandenburg on here spoke quite eloquently about the way military is viewed in Germany, and that the steps to be able to ramp up their military output are lengthy and difficult, all a legacy of how they feel as a nation after the Second World War.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjyjlkewr2o

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure if this is the best thread, but seen on bbc website this morning that Germany are enacting policies to massive increase their military numbers and spend, due to concerns about Putin continuing across Europe.


Iirc, Hibrandenburg on here spoke quite eloquently about the way military is viewed in Germany, and that the steps to be able to ramp up their military output are lengthy and difficult, all a legacy of how they feel as a nation after the Second World War.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjyjlkewr2o

Attitudes shift quick when you realise you are in danger and the protection you thought you had disappears. All of Europe is having to adjust.


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[Keith_M]

Not sure if this is the best thread, but seen on bbc website this morning that Germany are enacting policies to massive increase their military numbers and spend, due to concerns about Putin continuing across Europe.


Iirc, Hibrandenburg on here spoke quite eloquently about the way military is viewed in Germany, and that the steps to be able to ramp up their military output are lengthy and difficult, all a legacy of how they feel as a nation after the Second World War.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjyjlkewr2o


I'd feel a lot more confident in Germany as an ally than I would with the US.

IMO, in the minds of the US leadership, the UK and Germany have historically just been military/airforce bases for the US to defend itself from any Soviet aggression.

[Ozyhibby]

I'd feel a lot more confident in Germany as an ally than I would with the US.

IMO, in the minds of the US leadership, the UK and Germany have historically just been military/airforce bases for the US to defend itself from any Soviet aggression.

They intended any battle with The USSR to be. Fought on German soil with the UK providing air bases. Not great for the Germans.


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[Bridge hibs]

Not sure if this is the best thread, but seen on bbc website this morning that Germany are enacting policies to massive increase their military numbers and spend, due to concerns about Putin continuing across Europe.


Iirc, Hibrandenburg on here spoke quite eloquently about the way military is viewed in Germany, and that the steps to be able to ramp up their military output are lengthy and difficult, all a legacy of how they feel as a nation after the Second World War.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjyjlkewr2oI cant understand where the Russian threat becomes valid. They have literally had their ***** kicked by Ukraine for the past 3 years, their military has lost thousands upon thousands of troops as well as quite a few Korean soldiers too. Add on the tanks, ammo etc then Im baffled as to where they will have the manpower and machinery to invade europe, unless Im missing something spectacular.

[Hibs4185]

I cant understand where the Russian threat becomes valid. They have literally had their ***** kicked by Ukraine for the past 3 years, their military has lost thousands upon thousands of troops as well as quite a few Korean soldiers too. Add on the tanks, ammo etc then Im baffled as to where they will have the manpower and machinery to invade europe, unless Im missing something spectacular.

Everyone seems to be scared of this big Russian bear. They’ve had their whole army nearly destroyed, recruiting North Koreans and had some of their best weapons shot down by 1980’s Patriots.

The only thing they’ve got left is their propaganda and bull*hit

[Ozyhibby]

I cant understand where the Russian threat becomes valid. They have literally had their ***** kicked by Ukraine for the past 3 years, their military has lost thousands upon thousands of troops as well as quite a few Korean soldiers too. Add on the tanks, ammo etc then Im baffled as to where they will have the manpower and machinery to invade europe, unless Im missing something spectacular.


Everyone seems to be scared of this big Russian bear. They’ve had their whole army nearly destroyed, recruiting North Koreans and had some of their best weapons shot down by 1980’s Patriots.

The only thing they’ve got left is their propaganda and bull*hit

All of that is true but you still have to deal with it. Will be small comfort to Estonians if we tell them don’t worry we’ll win eventually when they invade Estonia.
The threat is there now and now is the time to defeat it.


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[Smartie]

Everyone seems to be scared of this big Russian bear. They’ve had their whole army nearly destroyed, recruiting North Koreans and had some of their best weapons shot down by 1980’s Patriots.

The only thing they’ve got left is their propaganda and bull*hit

They've still got lots of nuclear weapons and a bat**** sort of mentality that needs acknowledged, if not respected - at any time they might start a war that might inflict enormous harm on themselves but will certainly inflict harm on their opponents at the same time.

You don't want to be next door to them.

[Hibrandenburg]

I cant understand where the Russian threat becomes valid. They have literally had their ***** kicked by Ukraine for the past 3 years, their military has lost thousands upon thousands of troops as well as quite a few Korean soldiers too. Add on the tanks, ammo etc then Im baffled as to where they will have the manpower and machinery to invade europe, unless Im missing something spectacular.

I'm reading here that German intelligence is reporting that Russia are preparing to ramp up their military capabilities to a scale where they could pose a threat to the whole of Europe. How they've come to that conclusion I'm not sure but they seem convinced.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm reading here that German intelligence is reporting that Russia are preparing to ramp up their military capabilities to a scale where they could pose a threat to the whole of Europe. How they've come to that conclusion I'm not sure but they seem convinced.

Sorry, only in German.

https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/russland-bedrohung-nato-100.html

[Bostonhibby]

Attitudes shift quick when you realise you are in danger and the protection you thought you had disappears. All of Europe is having to adjust.


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A nato style organisation with a European country overload and no Krasnov input could well be the way forward. In truth if Germany was to use its industrial and organisational ability to upturn military production and capability in a positive way it could maybe just make a difference if the rest of Europe did the same.

Leaving Belarus and Hungary to their own devices might not be a bad thing?

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[Ozyhibby]

[emoji106]

A nato style organisation with a European country overload and no Krasnov input could well be the way forward. In truth if Germany was to use its industrial and organisational ability to upturn military production and capability in a positive way it could maybe just make a difference if the rest of Europe did the same.

Leaving Belarus and Hungary to their own devices might not be a bad thing?

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Hungarian population will pull it back before they are kicked out. EU needs to get tough on Orban and then let the Hungarians deal with him.


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[Bostonhibby]

Hungarian population will pull it back before they are kicked out. EU needs to get tough on Orban and then let the Hungarians deal with him.


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[Bristolhibby]

Hungarian population will pull it back before they are kicked out. EU needs to get tough on Orban and then let the Hungarians deal with him.


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Do a Greece on them?

J

[Stairway 2 7]

Attitudes shift quick when you realise you are in danger and the protection you thought you had disappears. All of Europe is having to adjust.


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I was a pacifist pre Ukraine. I wanted rid of trident and most of our army. Unfortunately I was wrong and nieve.
Maternity hospitals in Ukraine wouldn't be bombed last year if they had nuclear bombs. It's horrendous but true.

[Ozyhibby]

I was a pacifist pre Ukraine. I wanted rid of trident and most of our army. Unfortunately I was wrong and nieve.
Maternity hospitals in Ukraine wouldn't be bombed last year if they had nuclear bombs. It's horrendous but true.

There are going to a lot of countries going Nuclear very soon. Poland has already made the decision and it won’t take them long. Other European countries will follow. I suspect Japan and South Korea will also be looking at it now that their protection from China is now gone.


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[Ozyhibby]

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[Ozyhibby]

One good thing about Trump crashing the world economy is that the oil price should tank with it which will put massive financial pressure on the Russian banks and economy.


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[Keith_M]

Those Russian *******s have now killed 9 children in a play park. among other people nearby

I bet in Trump's mind it's still all Ukraine's fault.

[judas]

I was a pacifist pre Ukraine. I wanted rid of trident and most of our army. Unfortunately I was wrong and nieve.
Maternity hospitals in Ukraine wouldn't be bombed last year if they had nuclear bombs. It's horrendous but true.

I held similar views.

But I don’t think Ukraine having nuclear weapons would have stopped a Russian Invasion:

[judas]

There are going to a lot of countries going Nuclear very soon. Poland has already made the decision and it won’t take them long. Other European countries will follow. I suspect Japan and South Korea will also be looking at it now that their protection from China is now gone.


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This would truly be a disaster, the beginning of the end.

In my view each additional country acquiring nuclear weapons exponentially increases the risk of their use.

I believe that an attempt to acquire nuclear weapons is the largest of very few reasons to invade a country.

I might even endorse the invasion of Iran to prevent them getting the bomb.

[Paul1642]

This would truly be a disaster, the beginning of the end.

In my view each additional country acquiring nuclear weapons exponentially increases the risk of their use.

I believe that an attempt to acquire nuclear weapons is the largest of very few reasons to invade a country.

I might even endorse the invasion of Iran to prevent them getting the bomb.

Without a shadow of a doubt the worst invention in the history of mankind. Creating the means of our own near immediate distribution is just beyond stupid. That said I certainly don’t think the UK should be getting rid of them unless the whole world is following suit.

I do wonder though, would the Cold War have went ‘hot’ if not for nuclear weapons? (ie word war 3). No way to ever know.

[Ozyhibby]

This would truly be a disaster, the beginning of the end.

In my view each additional country acquiring nuclear weapons exponentially increases the risk of their use.

I believe that an attempt to acquire nuclear weapons is the largest of very few reasons to invade a country.

I might even endorse the invasion of Iran to prevent them getting the bomb.

It has to happen now though as the large nuclear powers are threatening non nuclear powers. The only way to defend yourself is to also be a nuclear power.
If I was Taiwan I would be looking to do it sharpish.

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[Bristolhibby]

It has to happen now though as the large nuclear powers are threatening non nuclear powers. The only way to defend yourself is to also be a nuclear power.
If I was Taiwan I would be looking to do it sharpish.

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And this is what happens when you don’t stand up for your non nuclear Allies and why NATO as a concept works (one in, all in).

Why people like Trump and Putin are so destabilising. By putting “America First” Trump is making it more likely there will be a war.

And the thing you are buying Donny is peace. It’s not Europe ripping you off, it’s Peace. Peace to live happily, trade freely and make money.

J

[lapsedhibee]

And the thing you are buying Donny is peace. It’s not Europe ripping you off, it’s Peace. Peace to live happily, trade freely and make money.


As with Brexiters' fundamental misunderstanding of the point of the EU.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Hibs4185]

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Thank you Trump.

Feel a bit dirty after saying that. In fact almost feel like a jambo

[Jones28]

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Does something happen if it hits $50?

[Ozyhibby]

Does something happen if it hits $50?

It’s 25% below what the Russians budget allowed. They can’t borrow money so they’ll need to print it. Inflation already suspected to be 20%.


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[Hibs4185]

Does something happen if it hits $50?

It’s essentially the break even point for Russia.

£50 and below they are losing money

[Ozyhibby]

https://bsky.app/profile/antongerashchenko.bsky.social/post/3lmcil47vt22g

Ukrainians have captured Chinese fighter in Donetsk.


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[Ozyhibby]

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[Bostonhibby]

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[Jones28]

Who gets the credit for it? Ukraine, Putin, one of Putin's mobsters?

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It reeks of a False Flag op from Russia to me, ties in with Trumps comments on Zelensky and the American envoy visiting today.