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Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 06:06 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1513879208790999043

olexander scherba🇺🇦
@olex_scherba
A #RussianArmy intercept.

She: Ok, you can rape those Ukrainian women.
He: Aha.
She: Just use protection and don’t tell me!
He: Really? Ok.

#RussianWarCrimes #StopPutinNOW #StandWithUkraine #ArmUkraineNow #ArmUkraine

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 06:13 PM
Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
·
2h
BREAKING: The U.S. says it will not object to Slovakia's potential transfer of MiG jets to Ukraine

This is a major contrast from U.S. opposition to Poland's MiG transfer. By moving S-300s to Ukraine, Slovakia has bucked domestic polarizations to moving sophisticated arms with Ukraine, and might take this green-light seriously

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 06:27 PM
Uk have offered Ukraine and Poland a security pact from the same group

****aro Komiya
@****aroKomiya
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Australia, Britain and the United States have asked Japan to join the security pact AUKUS, Sankei newspaper reported, citing multiple government sources.

AUKUS expects synergy with Japanese technologies on areas such as hypersonic weapons and electronic warfare, Sankei said. twitter.com/Sankei_news/st…

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 06:31 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1513943691555188737

christogrozev
Zelensky's official telegram account announces that SBU caught the fugitive oligarch and Putin's close friend Viktor Medvedchuk. Camouflage and all

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 06:40 PM
Some amount of change, the north in full Ukrainian control

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Ozyhibby
12-04-2022, 06:59 PM
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1513900257716977672?s=21&t=gkZy4dMNX5l7Vle2noPUYA
New Ukrainian stamp.


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Smartie
12-04-2022, 07:06 PM
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1513900257716977672?s=21&t=gkZy4dMNX5l7Vle2noPUYA
New Ukrainian stamp.


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They need to release a “Ukrainian farmer in his tractor towing an expensive piece of Russian military kit out of the mud” one.

That’s been the iconic image of the war so far for me.

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 07:08 PM
Zelenskyy: “Our survival depends on how fast we receive weapons from the US and other allies. I have 100% confidence in our people and our armed forces. But, unfortunately, I do not have confidence we will receive what we need and have asked for

Hibrandenburg
12-04-2022, 07:17 PM
The article from the 2 Russian ex ministers and the 2 Russian economists all said Russia would have to end the war in months with no oil money. It is almost 40% of their income.

The economists also said Germany could afford it, but don't want toI think that decision is best left in the hands of the German government rather than Russian economists.

Whilst I'd personally love to see the Germans take the hit and arm the Ukrainians to the teeth, it's just not going to happen overnight. My militant pacifist mother in law who is a founding member of the German "Friedensbewegung", is getting the old gang together to carry out a mission from God and are already bombarding the German government to stop supplying weapons to a war zone. I personally think she's off her ****ing head, but when you grow up during a world war and your parents are Nazis, then you might well be entitled to have a different perspective to war.

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Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 07:47 PM
I think that decision is best left in the hands of the German government rather than Russian economists.

Whilst I'd personally love to see the Germans take the hit and arm the Ukrainians to the teeth, it's just not going to happen overnight. My militant pacifist mother in law who is a founding member of the German "Friedensbewegung", is getting the old gang together to carry out a mission from God and are already bombarding the German government to stop supplying weapons to a war zone. I personally think she's off her ****ing head, but when you grow up during a world war and your parents are Nazis, then you might well be entitled to have a different perspective to war.

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Russia is 100% to blame, but I'm sure the west could stop this if it wanted

Show her the pictures of Mariupol reminiscent of Berlin Post war or the accounts of the women around Kyiv or the pictures of mass graves.

Julian Muller
@OhNoezz
We in Germany didn't care that NS2 would reduce Ukraine's GDP by 2.2% alone because they would lose the gas transit fees on Russian gas. Now Germany won't take a similar (but short term) 2% hit on their own GDP by banning Russian gas / oil imports. Appalling behaviour and optics

Smartie
12-04-2022, 08:09 PM
I don't disagree that there should be a fair bit of heat on Germany - and that their ongoing purchase and consumption of Russian gas is funding the ongoing war.

But I wonder if there is anything more that we can all do? Have we been asked if we can use a bit less yet? Would that not leave a bit more for Norway to send over to Germany to use?

Our politicians seemed to be very quick to come out and say that there will be no form of rationing here - but rather than that, I wonder if putting out a request to help in some may might be better received than one might think?

Finger pointing at Germany is all well and good. But over the whole of the European continent, could every individual do something to help out if we're REALLY that appalled by the images of genocide that we're seeing?

The UK appear to have done well on the "weapons to Ukraine" front. They have clearly done a lot less well with the refugee situation. Most countries over Europe will have a mixed record on the various fronts, Germany being no different to any of the rest of us.

Hibrandenburg
12-04-2022, 08:23 PM
Show her the pictures of Mariupol reminiscent of Berlin Post war or the accounts of the women around Kyiv or the pictures of mass graves.

She grew up with 10 million Russians and 6 million Jews on her conscience, why the **** would I want to rub her nose in something else she's not responsible for?



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Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 08:25 PM
I don't disagree that there should be a fair bit of heat on Germany - and that their ongoing purchase and consumption of Russian gas is funding the ongoing war.

But I wonder if there is anything more that we can all do? Have we been asked if we can use a bit less yet? Would that not leave a bit more for Norway to send over to Germany to use?

Our politicians seemed to be very quick to come out and say that there will be no form of rationing here - but rather than that, I wonder if putting out a request to help in some may might be better received than one might think?

Finger pointing at Germany is all well and good. But over the whole of the European continent, could every individual do something to help out if we're REALLY that appalled by the images of genocide that we're seeing?

The UK appear to have done well on the "weapons to Ukraine" front. They have clearly done a lot less well with the refugee situation. Most countries over Europe will have a mixed record on the various fronts, Germany being no different to any of the rest of us.

The focus is on Germany because they and horrible Orbans Hungary are the only two European nations blocking it. Some like Lithuania and Latvia get a higher % than Germany from Russia but are happy to end it. Italy was another who was blocking, but after the atrocities came out they changed their mind. Everyone could use less but that is touching the surface. We all need to take the sacrifice to end the genocide

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 08:29 PM
She grew up with 10 million Russians and 6 million Jews on her conscience, why the **** would I want to rub her nose in something else she's not responsible for?



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Well if she's out protesting, she should know what she's protesting against could stop. No way you can look at what happened at Bucha and say don't give Ukraine weapons. Old people aren't kids as my granny tells me they can handle as much as us

Hibrandenburg
12-04-2022, 08:40 PM
Well if she's out protesting, she should know what she's protesting against could stop. No way you can look at what happened at Bucha and say don't give Ukraine weapons. Old people aren't kids as my granny tells me they can handle as much as usEasy for you or your granny to say, not so easy if your childhood was a war torn dictatorship that you ended up having to carry the can for. I maybe don't agree with her but I have the maturity to understand why she and other Germans are coming from when they don't want to contribute to a war, especially those who lived through one.

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Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 09:01 PM
Easy for you or your granny to say, not so easy if your childhood was a war torn dictatorship that you ended up having to carry the can for. I maybe don't agree with her but I have the maturity to understand why she and other Germans are coming from when they don't want to contribute to a war, especially those who lived through one.

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It's more a genocide than a war, did they Germans feel the same about Rwanda or Srebrenica. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. My granny knows about war and its horror as she met my grandad working in the hospital, he was in a bad way after fighting the Japanese. Lots of people lived through wars and are living through them now, many want the genocide to stop and arm Ukraine. Boris Romanchenko a jew survived the concentration camps only to be killed by Putin's troops, he'd have wanted more arms to Ukraine

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 09:32 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/ukraine-russia-war-consequences/629541/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

For those of us born after World War II, this is the most consequential war of our lifetime. Upon its outcome rests the future of European stability and prosperity,"
@EliotACohen
writes

Euan MacDonald
@Euan_MacDonald
·

The stakes are high, and the positions stark: You either actively support Ukraine, democracy and the rule of law, or you actively, or through inaction, support Russia's resurgent fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. There is no neutral position to take

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 09:33 PM
Iryna Venediktova
@VenediktovaIV
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1h
French experts are in Ukraine to help investigate Russian war crimes.
The team includes forensics, ballistics, DNA and fingerprint experts as well as crime scene inspectors, explosives technicians, and investigators' assistants

Ozyhibby
12-04-2022, 09:38 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/ukraine-russia-war-consequences/629541/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

For those of us born after World War II, this is the most consequential war of our lifetime. Upon its outcome rests the future of European stability and prosperity,"
@EliotACohen
writes

Euan MacDonald
@Euan_MacDonald
·

The stakes are high, and the positions stark: You either actively support Ukraine, democracy and the rule of law, or you actively, or through inaction, support Russia's resurgent fascism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. There is no neutral position to take

If you are neutral then you support Russia. They are the aggressor.


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Ozyhibby
12-04-2022, 10:03 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220412/12daee78ec376d2f1aceb9c5644a9745.jpg


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Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 10:44 PM
Bianna Golodryga
@biannagolodryga
· 36m
“The Biden administration is poised to dramatically expand the scope of weapons it’s providing Ukraine, with the Pentagon looking to send helicopters that can be equipped to attack Russian vehicles, armored Humvees and a range of other arms.” https://washingtonpost.com/national-secur

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 10:47 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1514007620562079746

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
Russians living in Athens tried to organize one of those pro-war motorcades that we have seen in Germany and Cyprus but the Georgian diaspora decided to show up and express their disapproval

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 10:51 PM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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U.S. to announce $750 million additional military aid to #Ukraine on Wednesday, Reuters reported

Stairway 2 7
12-04-2022, 10:55 PM
ort
@UkrWarReport
·
🇳🇴🇺🇦⚡️Norweigan parliamentarians propose arming Ukraine with NASAMS air defense systems and Naval Strike Missiles NSM

cabbageandribs1875
13-04-2022, 03:12 AM
Grieving Russians can't believe talk of war crimes in Ukraine - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61073897)

"I don't believe these fakes," Dmitry says about war crime allegations levelled against some Russian soldiers. "I will never believe them.


"I know how my commander, Sergei, taught us to act. I trust my comrades and my army. They would never do things like this."



"But investigations are underway," I continue. "What if you were shown cast-iron evidence that crimes happened? Would you believe it then?"


"I'm sure there will be no evidence," he replies. "I'm certain."




poor Dmitry

Hibrandenburg
13-04-2022, 04:32 AM
It's more a genocide than a war, did they Germans feel the same about Rwanda or Srebrenica. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. My granny knows about war and its horror as she met my grandad working in the hospital, he was in a bad way after fighting the Japanese. Lots of people lived through wars and are living through them now, many want the genocide to stop and arm Ukraine. Boris Romanchenko a jew survived the concentration camps only to be killed by Putin's troops, he'd have wanted more arms to UkraineYes, I'm pretty sure the Germans didn't send weaponry to Rwanda or Srebrenica. The Germans aren't doing nothing, that is simply being disingenuous. Before Ukraine the German population was made up of 1.5% of refugees from all over the world, compare that to the UK which has less than 0.26% and many of those refugees were actually made refugees by Britain's contemporary and historical foreign policy.

I get you don't like Germans, that's been apparent in your posts before the Ukraine crisis even begun, but as I previously mentioned, pointing the finger at other members of the alliance against Putin is doing Putin's work.

Germany was conditioned to be anti war after WW2 by the allies and even Thatcher raised concerns about a unified Germany being a threat to peace in Europe and their military was designed to be for defensive purposes only. To expect them to suddenly support a war with military hardware after nearly 80 years of non aggressive foreign policy is disillusioned, it'll happen but not at the drop of a hat.



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Hibrandenburg
13-04-2022, 04:34 AM
If you are neutral then you support Russia. They are the aggressor.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAre there any countries in Europe who are neutral?

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Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 05:36 AM
Yes, I'm pretty sure the Germans didn't send weaponry to Rwanda or Srebrenica. The Germans aren't doing nothing, that is simply being disingenuous. Before Ukraine the German population was made up of 1.5% of refugees from all over the world, compare that to the UK which has less than 0.26% and many of those refugees were actually made refugees by Britain's contemporary and historical foreign policy.

I get you don't like Germans, that's been apparent in your posts before the Ukraine crisis even begun, but as I previously mentioned, pointing the finger at other members of the alliance against Putin is doing Putin's work.

Germany was conditioned to be anti war after WW2 by the allies and even Thatcher raised concerns about a unified Germany being a threat to peace in Europe and their military was designed to be for defensive purposes only. To expect them to suddenly support a war with military hardware after nearly 80 years of non aggressive foreign policy is disillusioned, it'll happen but not at the drop of a hat.



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I'm not anti anyone except those in the wrong. Nationalism is a load of pish, anyone who constantly waves flags is generally a nutter. I want independence because I can't face more tory government, but I have more in common with the working class of Liverpool or frankfurt than establishment Edinburgh. I love Germany probably my favourite country to go to, I'm in Berlin most years.

But you need to read the mood music, the whole of Europe and many Germans are fuming with Germany not taking the hit. Germany could do more than any weapons donation to stop the war quick. That's not Putin getting devision it's the opposite. All of Europe is agreeing to take the hit bar Germany and Hungary, That's United.

It doesn't matter what Germany do you defend even if its clearly wrong. That's weird for me as I've been taught against blind loyalty. I think boris needs to quit, Blair should still be in jail for iraq and Churchill whilst helping to defeat fascism, was an evil b himself and hater of the working class.

As pointed out above. Germany was happy that Ukraine was going to take a 2.2% hit in its GDP, because Germany was going to build nordstream 2 with Russia. But they won't take an estimated 2-3% hit to stop genocide. That isn't pacifism its capitalism

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 05:38 AM
Are there any countries in Europe who are neutral?

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Many still haven't forgiven Switzerland. Being neutral to genocide is enabling it

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 05:40 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

The presidents of #Poland, #Lithuania, #Latvia, and #Estonia went on a visit to #Kyiv. On the agenda is military and political assistance to #Ukraine

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 05:40 AM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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The Pentagon has invited 8 of the largest weapons producers in the U.S. for a meeting today to discuss arms shipments for Ukraine - Reuters

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 05:56 AM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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Biden tells reporters that he referred to what is happening in Ukraine as a genocide earlier today because “it’s become clearer and clearer that Putin is just trying to wipe out even the idea of being Ukrainian.”

“And the evidence is mounting,” Biden stated

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 05:57 AM
I'll not put the picture up

Olena Halushka
@OlenaHalushka
·
This picture haunts me entire day. New sneakers, blue snowsuit, I assume this 2yo kid was very loved. His mother tried to bring him to safety.All signs they were civilians were there. russians shot their car with a heavy machine gun. Entire family killed. This is too much to bear

Jones28
13-04-2022, 06:42 AM
I'll not put the picture up

Olena Halushka
@OlenaHalushka
·
This picture haunts me entire day. New sneakers, blue snowsuit, I assume this 2yo kid was very loved. His mother tried to bring him to safety.All signs they were civilians were there. russians shot their car with a heavy machine gun. Entire family killed. This is too much to bear

I have unfortunately seen the photo in question. I just cannot fathom that this is happening in Europe. Just horrendous.

Nothing will convince me that military intervention and boots on the ground is the wrong thing to do.

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 08:06 AM
Lesia Vasylenko
@lesiavasylenko
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22000 killed in #Mariupol. The number is unthinkable. And it is growing still. #WarDay #48

Ozyhibby
13-04-2022, 08:48 AM
Lesia Vasylenko
@lesiavasylenko
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22000 killed in #Mariupol. The number is unthinkable. And it is growing still. #WarDay #48

I doubt it will be anywhere near as low as that unfortunately. [emoji22]


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Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 10:08 AM
Sweden sent weapons in February and in finally ending its neutrality applies to nato. Some job vlad is doing to unite the west

BNO News
@BNONews
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BREAKING: Sweden will apply for NATO membership - SVD

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 10:13 AM
Stephanie Liechtenstein
@StLiechtenstein
·

SCOOP:
@OSCE
expert mission report finds "clear patterns of international humanitarian law violations by the Russian forces in their conduct of hostilities" in #Ukraine. The report also finds "credible evidence" that "the most fundamental human rights" have been violated

The 110-page report (above is the executive summary) has been drafted by experts following the invocation of the so-called OSCE Moscow Mechanism by Ukraine & 45 OSCE states on 3 March. The experts were not able to visit #Ukraine but relied on multiple source for its report

The report investigates events 24 Feb-1 April, meaning it does not cover the atrocities committed in villages in the proximity of Kyiv, incl. Bucha. Russia was invited to cooperate with the expert mission but it refused. There is an exchange of letters attached to the report

The full OSCE expert mission report, which is a chilling read, will be published today after the special meeting of the OSCE Permanent Council. Follow-up will also be discussed

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 10:44 AM
After Biden rightly calls it genocide yesterday, this little right wing **** refuses. Brutal that I want him to win over fascist Le Pen

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
·
⚡️ Macron refuses to call Russian atrocities 'genocide.'

French President Emmanuel Macron said: “I would be careful with such terms today because these two peoples (Russians and Ukrainians) are brothers

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 10:47 AM
Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

GRA
13-04-2022, 10:54 AM
Russia may be planning a "Victory Day parade" in the devastated Ukrainian port city of Mariupol, Petro Andryushchenko, an aide to the city's mayor, has said on Telegram.

He said Kostyantyn Ivashchenko, whom Russian troops put in charge of the parts of Mariupol under their control, was ordered "to clear a part of the city's central district of rubble and dead bodies to ensure that a parade can be held on 9 May".

Anything to bolster mad Vlad's ego. Sickening.

stu in nottingham
13-04-2022, 11:17 AM
I doubt it will be anywhere near as low as that unfortunately. [emoji22]


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We may never know. Reports suggest that they have now stopped counting the bodies in Mariupol.

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 12:42 PM
The Guardian
@guardian
·

Bodies of 765 civilians recovered so far in Kyiv region, says prosecutor

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 12:55 PM
Anders Östlund
@andersostlund
·

Russia is deporting Ukrainians by force. There are also reports about Ukrainian children being adopted away to Russian couples without the consent of the Ukrainian parents

Putin has forcefully relocated almost 100,000 Ukrainians thousands of miles away from their home, to resettle in remote corners of Russia, including Siberia and the Arctic Circle.

https://independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-resettling-siberia-putin-b2056054.html

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 01:26 PM
Dave Keating
@DaveKeating
🇸🇪#Sweden and 🇫🇮#Finland's prime ministers have just held a joint press conference outlining plans to join #NATO.

🇫🇮 expected to move first. PM Marin says she won't give a timetable but "it will happen quite fast—within weeks, not within months, we will have the discussion

Renfrew_Hibby
13-04-2022, 01:47 PM
Russia may be planning a "Victory Day parade" in the devastated Ukrainian port city of Mariupol, Petro Andryushchenko, an aide to the city's mayor, has said on Telegram.

He said Kostyantyn Ivashchenko, whom Russian troops put in charge of the parts of Mariupol under their control, was ordered "to clear a part of the city's central district of rubble and dead bodies to ensure that a parade can be held on 9 May".

Anything to bolster mad Vlad's ego. Sickening.

May 9th is the big annual Red Square victory parade, parades in every Russian city for that matter. This year will be particularly 'full on' N.Korea style and ive thought for a while now that they will try and secure Mariupol with the aim of some propaganda event there.
May 9th could also be a date in the diary for something spectacular, ie a massive push on the dombass or a horrific major escalation like a localised nuclear attack.

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 02:00 PM
Bellingcat
@bellingcat
·

We are very happy to have contributed information, alongside others, to this OSCE report "Report on Violations of International Humanitarian and Human Rights Law, War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Committed in Ukraine Since 24 February 2022"
https://osce.org/files/f/documents/f/a/515868.pdf

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 02:04 PM
Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
·


Ukraine government official
Without additional weaponry, this war will become an endless bloodbath, spreading misery, suffering, and destruction. Mariupol, Bucha, Kramatorsk – the list will be continued. Nobody will stop Russia except Ukraine with Heavy Weapons. #ArmUkraineNow

Renfrew_Hibby
13-04-2022, 02:29 PM
Anders Östlund
@andersostlund
·

Russia is deporting Ukrainians by force. There are also reports about Ukrainian children being adopted away to Russian couples without the consent of the Ukrainian parents

Putin has forcefully relocated almost 100,000 Ukrainians thousands of miles away from their home, to resettle in remote corners of Russia, including Siberia and the Arctic Circle.

https://independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-resettling-siberia-putin-b2056054.html

Sending people to Sakhalin, just to the north of Japan. Insane.

JimBHibees
13-04-2022, 03:20 PM
After Biden rightly calls it genocide yesterday, this little right wing **** refuses. Brutal that I want him to win over fascist Le Pen

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
·
⚡️ Macron refuses to call Russian atrocities 'genocide.'

French President Emmanuel Macron said: “I would be careful with such terms today because these two peoples (Russians and Ukrainians) are brothers

What a strange thing for Macron to say re brothers

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 03:23 PM
What a strange thing for Macron to say re brothers

Very insulting, making it like a family squabble. I'd hate to think what Russia would have done to them if they weren't brothers

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 03:25 PM
Dmytro Kuleba
@DmytroKuleba
·
5m

Ukraine government official
Here is the Ukrainian Fair Deal:

- Partners provide us with all the heavy weapons we need
- We fight and stop Russia now, so that partners don’t have to fight later

As
@ZelenskyyUa
rightly stresses: in order to prevail, freedom must be armed better than tyranny!
#ArmUkraineNow

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 03:26 PM
Kylie Atwood
@kylieatwood
·

Details in this new OSCE report are horrific:
> a Ukrainian interpreter held in captivity for 9 days by Russian forces in an icy cellar, beaten w/ an iron bar & rifle butts, tortured w/ electricity.
> 500,000 Ukrainians forcibly deported to Russia & some put in filtration camps

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 04:00 PM
No wonder Putin was happy to Putin was happy to have him. Austria join Germany and Hungary and opposing an end of oil and gas sales. If the are going to give billions a day to Russia, they should at least match it in arms to Ukraine. If the best way to stop the war is gone, then we have to heavily arm Ukraine



@t_about_war

#Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer said that #Vienna, #Berlin and #Budapest oppose the embargo on Russian gas supplies

he said, the EU should focus on sanctions that would just harm Russia, but not itself.

The Spectator Index
@spectatorindex
· 1h
BREAKING: Germany government spokesperson says the country does not approve of an embargo on Russian oil at the moment

Ozyhibby
13-04-2022, 04:05 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/13/jersey-freezes-54bn-of-assets-linked-to-roman-abramovich?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1649862930

That’s a significant chunk of change. The law needs changed now so that Ukraine can make claim to this money.


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Moulin Yarns
13-04-2022, 04:10 PM
May 9th is the big annual Red Square victory parade, parades in every Russian city for that matter. This year will be particularly 'full on' N.Korea style and ive thought for a while now that they will try and secure Mariupol with the aim of some propaganda event there.
May 9th could also be a date in the diary for something spectacular, ie a massive push on the dombass or a horrific major escalation like a localised nuclear attack.

May 7th is a concert for Ukraine up here in Highland Perthshire. I wonder if it was intended.

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 04:23 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/13/jersey-freezes-54bn-of-assets-linked-to-roman-abramovich?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1649862930

That’s a significant chunk of change. The law needs changed now so that Ukraine can make claim to this money.


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Some wealth he must have, seeing as multi billions have been seized

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 04:29 PM
Some wealth he must have, seeing as multi billions have been seized

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
#Jersey authorities block Roman Abramovich's $7 Billion assets

Forbes estimates Abramovich's net worth at $14.5 billion.

Jersey is an offshore island in the #English Channel, which is part of the crown lands of Great #Britain

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 04:29 PM
Anonymous
@YourAnonNews
·
7m
Today, #Anonymous hacked 495,000 emails from the Russian firm Technotec, which provides oil and gas field services to companies including Rosneft and Gazprom Neft.

The data can be found on #DDoSecrets

This hack is part of our ongoing operation against the Russian government

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 04:55 PM
Euromaidan Press
@EuromaidanPress
·
“We have destroyed more Russian military equipment than some countries in Europe currently possess,”—Zelenskyy said stressing that Ukraine cannot repel Russia w/o more heavy weapons:

- Artillery
- MLRS
- T-72 / other tanks
- armored vehicles
- military aircraft (“must have

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 06:04 PM
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/frances-le-pen-wants-nato-162746126.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAISMl60b3pKz1owtCSad7gHLA0xB mgr-sEDVGHuUVN8HuMxlA8JPNXCQaITfbVMfDClPvvvyAMmYrSCr97 p_kCh6O2j2_LRu7N5LansGM6uiN1H4nueUtO17TBdcFuVwZxVK VupicZ3DTCZiN3IayVVMD_9dqqJP7r6enmTsSGOi

French far-right leader Marine Le Pen on Wednesday said she would back closer ties between NATO and Russia and pull Paris out of the alliance's military command, if she defeats Emmanuel Macron for the presidency.

Le Pen faces Macron on April 24 in a run-off vote after she came second in the April 10 first round, with the latest polls showing the president holding on to a solid but slim lead

Le Pen emphasised that better ties with Russia would also prevent Moscow from becoming too close to China, noting that she was echoing an argument made by Macron in the past

I would place our troops neither under an integrated NATO command nor under a future European command," she said, adding that she refused any "subjection to an American protectorate

But she argued that French predictions that Brexit would prove "a cataclysm for the English" had not come true.

"The British got rid of the Brussels bureaucracy, which they could never bear, to move to an ambitious project of global Britain," she said.

But she added: "This is not our project. We want to reform the EU from the inside."

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 06:05 PM
Oryx
@oryxspioenkop
·
1h
#UkraineWar: Russia is now visually confirmed to have lost 500 tanks since it began its invasion of Ukraine on February 24.

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 06:27 PM
Germany's sdp reply to Zelensky


SPD-Fraktion im Bundestag
@spdbt
Rolf #Mützenich on the Ukraine cancellation of #Steinmeier visit to Kiev: "That is regrettable and does not do justice to the close + grown relationships between our countries. Nevertheless, we will make sure that this process does not endanger our cooperation will

With all due respect for the existential threat to 🇺🇦 from the Russian invasion, I expect Ukrainian representatives to adhere to a minimum of diplomatic conventions and not interfere unduly in our country's domestic politics."

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 06:28 PM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

OSCE: #Russia committed war crimes by shelling maternity hospital and drama theater in #Mariupol

Organization for Security and Cooperation in #Europe released a more than 100-page report on events in #Ukraine from February 24 to April 1.

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 06:57 PM
Courtney Subramanian
@cmsub
·
Biden announces $800 million in additional military assistance to Ukraine following his phone call with Zelenskyy, including: artillery systems, artillery rounds, armored personnel carriers and the transfer of additional helicopters

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 07:03 PM
Chris Cavas
@CavasShips
· 7m
Latest US defense aid package for Ukraine as just announced by the Pentagon. Included are 11 Mi-17 Russian-built helicopters originally earmarked for but not transferred to Afghanistan; 5 were trf'd earlier. Package also includes 18 155mm howitzers, the 1st transfer of artillery

300 Switchblades
500 Javelins and "thousands of other anti-armor systems"
200 M113 Armoured personnel carrier's
100 HUMVEEs
11 Mi-17s
"unnamed coastal defense vessels"
30k sets of body armor and helmets
Over 2000 optics and laser rangefinders
An unspecified amount of C-4
Claymores

Ozyhibby
13-04-2022, 07:47 PM
Chris Cavas
@CavasShips
· 7m
Latest US defense aid package for Ukraine as just announced by the Pentagon. Included are 11 Mi-17 Russian-built helicopters originally earmarked for but not transferred to Afghanistan; 5 were trf'd earlier. Package also includes 18 155mm howitzers, the 1st transfer of artillery

300 Switchblades
500 Javelins and "thousands of other anti-armor systems"
200 M113 Armoured personnel carrier's
100 HUMVEEs
11 Mi-17s
"unnamed coastal defense vessels"
30k sets of body armor and helmets
Over 2000 optics and laser rangefinders
An unspecified amount of C-4
Claymores

Impressive list of kit. Still more is needed but if this keeps up then I can see Ukraine start to make more territorial gains soon.


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Jamesie
13-04-2022, 07:52 PM
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/frances-le-pen-wants-nato-162746126.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAISMl60b3pKz1owtCSad7gHLA0xB mgr-sEDVGHuUVN8HuMxlA8JPNXCQaITfbVMfDClPvvvyAMmYrSCr97 p_kCh6O2j2_LRu7N5LansGM6uiN1H4nueUtO17TBdcFuVwZxVK VupicZ3DTCZiN3IayVVMD_9dqqJP7r6enmTsSGOi

French far-right leader Marine Le Pen on Wednesday said she would back closer ties between NATO and Russia and pull Paris out of the alliance's military command, if she defeats Emmanuel Macron for the presidency.

Le Pen faces Macron on April 24 in a run-off vote after she came second in the April 10 first round, with the latest polls showing the president holding on to a solid but slim lead

Le Pen emphasised that better ties with Russia would also prevent Moscow from becoming too close to China, noting that she was echoing an argument made by Macron in the past

I would place our troops neither under an integrated NATO command nor under a future European command," she said, adding that she refused any "subjection to an American protectorate

But she argued that French predictions that Brexit would prove "a cataclysm for the English" had not come true.

"The British got rid of the Brussels bureaucracy, which they could never bear, to move to an ambitious project of global Britain," she said.

But she added: "This is not our project. We want to reform the EU from the inside."

When I read this I can’t help but think of Nostradamus’s prediction of WW3 in 2023, and Paris burning.

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 08:17 PM
Great work by the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61085810

Collecting the dead in Bucha

When the Russians retreated from Bucha, a massive operation began to find and document the dead. BBC News joined the local police officers and bereaved families as they carried out their grim task.

Police Chief Vitaliy Lobas was sitting at a child's desk in an abandoned school in Bucha, collecting the details of the bodies.

Every few minutes, Chief Lobas, who has broad shoulders and short dark hair, and rarely uses an unnecessary word, received a call on his mobile phone, and the brief conversations went the same: a location, a few details, a phone number of a relative or friend.

Stairway 2 7
13-04-2022, 08:59 PM
Tim McMillan
@LtTimMcMillan
·

BREAKING: Head of the Odesa Regional Defense and Ukrainian presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych confirm the flag ship of the Russian Black Sea fleet, the missile cruiser “Moskva” was hit and on fire following 2 Neptune missile strikes

Kato
13-04-2022, 09:03 PM
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/frances-le-pen-wants-nato-162746126.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAISMl60b3pKz1owtCSad7gHLA0xB mgr-sEDVGHuUVN8HuMxlA8JPNXCQaITfbVMfDClPvvvyAMmYrSCr97 p_kCh6O2j2_LRu7N5LansGM6uiN1H4nueUtO17TBdcFuVwZxVK VupicZ3DTCZiN3IayVVMD_9dqqJP7r6enmTsSGOi

French far-right leader Marine Le Pen on Wednesday said she would back closer ties between NATO and Russia and pull Paris out of the alliance's military command, if she defeats Emmanuel Macron for the presidency.

Le Pen faces Macron on April 24 in a run-off vote after she came second in the April 10 first round, with the latest polls showing the president holding on to a solid but slim lead

Le Pen emphasised that better ties with Russia would also prevent Moscow from becoming too close to China, noting that she was echoing an argument made by Macron in the past

I would place our troops neither under an integrated NATO command nor under a future European command," she said, adding that she refused any "subjection to an American protectorate

But she argued that French predictions that Brexit would prove "a cataclysm for the English" had not come true.

"The British got rid of the Brussels bureaucracy, which they could never bear, to move to an ambitious project of global Britain," she said.

But she added: "This is not our project. We want to reform the EU from the inside."Honking.

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Glory Lurker
13-04-2022, 09:04 PM
When I read this I can’t help but think of Nostradamus’s prediction of WW3 in 2023, and Paris burning.

Don't do it to yourself, man. Nostradamus can be read in a million ways, and on top of that he couldn't really see the future unless being out your face on mushrooms or something gives you second sight. If things do go bad, old Nosty didn't predict it.

Ozyhibby
14-04-2022, 12:08 AM
Tim McMillan
@LtTimMcMillan
·

BREAKING: Head of the Odesa Regional Defense and Ukrainian presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych confirm the flag ship of the Russian Black Sea fleet, the missile cruiser “Moskva” was hit and on fire following 2 Neptune missile strikes

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220414/8c7374b7fd6dda5e8a5d75650a77ff83.jpg


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cabbageandribs1875
14-04-2022, 02:41 AM
Russia's defence ministry says it has gained full control of Mariupol after more than 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers surrendered




Kyiv's defence ministry says it has no information on any surrender, and Ukrainian troops insist they are holding out

Hibrandenburg
14-04-2022, 04:06 AM
I'm not anti anyone except those in the wrong. Nationalism is a load of pish, anyone who constantly waves flags is generally a nutter. I want independence because I can't face more tory government, but I have more in common with the working class of Liverpool or frankfurt than establishment Edinburgh. I love Germany probably my favourite country to go to, I'm in Berlin most years.

But you need to read the mood music, the whole of Europe and many Germans are fuming with Germany not taking the hit. Germany could do more than any weapons donation to stop the war quick. That's not Putin getting devision it's the opposite. All of Europe is agreeing to take the hit bar Germany and Hungary, That's United.

It doesn't matter what Germany do you defend even if its clearly wrong. That's weird for me as I've been taught against blind loyalty. I think boris needs to quit, Blair should still be in jail for iraq and Churchill whilst helping to defeat fascism, was an evil b himself and hater of the working class.

As pointed out above. Germany was happy that Ukraine was going to take a 2.2% hit in its GDP, because Germany was going to build nordstream 2 with Russia. But they won't take an estimated 2-3% hit to stop genocide. That isn't pacifism its capitalism1. I've clearly stated I want Germany to take the hit and sanction Russian oil and gas, meanwhile the UK is still importing both from Russia, albeit in much smaller amounts.

2. I'm not defending anyone, I'm offering my thoughts from my experience on why Germany is taking the course that it is.

3. I don't believe any amount of sanctions will end this war in weeks, the only end to this is with Putin either having a way out he can sell as a victory or him being removed from office.

4. I firmly believe that sanctions that hit you harder than their target are counter productive. Europe in deep recession would be Putin's wet dream and would only help bolster support for extreme right and left wing political parties. Still I believe that next to boots on the ground they're our only other option.



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Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 05:17 AM
1. I've clearly stated I want Germany to take the hit and sanction Russian oil and gas, meanwhile the UK is still importing both from Russia, albeit in much smaller amounts.

2. I'm not defending anyone, I'm offering my thoughts from my experience on why Germany is taking the course that it is.

3. I don't believe any amount of sanctions will end this war in weeks, the only end to this is with Putin either having a way out he can sell as a victory or him being removed from office.

4. I firmly believe that sanctions that hit you harder than their target are counter productive. Europe in deep recession would be Putin's wet dream and would only help bolster support for extreme right and left wing political parties. Still I believe that next to boots on the ground they're our only other option.



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Lots of sources reckon it would hit German gdp by about 2-3% for a year, manageable. Germany wanted Ukraine to take a 2% hit every year by building nordstream 2, even after crimea. Spd putting on their official twitter that Zelensky should keep out German politics is poor, as it affects Ukraine

Many believe the war ends soon if Russia loses the income, thats from Russian economists to putins ex military advisor. 40% of their income is from fuel and majority from EU, so definitely hit them much harder.

Mute point as if Bucha isn't a red line I doubt anything will. More atrocities will come out though so you never know

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 05:40 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

#Colombian authorities promise to help Western countries to partially or completely abandon imports of #Russian #oil, #coal and #gas, replacing them with Colombian ones.
President Ivan #Duque has called the Russian invasion a #genocide

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 05:41 AM
😆

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

Times New Roman, Arial, Verdana, Tahoma, and Helvetic fonts have become unavailable to #Russians by the copyright holder's decision. When trying to open a page with the catalog from Russian IP addresses, an access ban message appears

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 05:55 AM
Ukraine hits the jewel of the black sea fleet.

Rob Lee
@RALee85
·

The Russian MoD is claiming that ammunition exploded on the Black Sea Fleet's flagship, the Moskva Project 1164 missile cruiser, and that it has sustained serious damage.
https://ria.ru/20220414/kreys

Thus far in the war, the Russian Navy has lost one large landing ship, another large landing ship sustained damage, a Raptor patrol boat was struck by an ATGM, and now the Black Sea Fleet's flagship has sustained "serious damage" likely a result of a Ukrainian strike

A Russian source is saying the Moskva has sunk and that the explosion was from a Ukrainian Neptun missile strike. Apparently, Ukraine flew a TB2 UCAV to distract the ship while it was targeted by the Neptun. The ship rolled onto its side after the strike

The Moskva has a crew of 510, so this could be worst mass casualty producing event of the war

If the Russian naval cruiser sinks in the Black Sea, as now seems likely, it will take with quite an amount of materiel, including up to 64 S-300 surface-to-air missiles, 16 anti-ship missiles, and a helicopter or two

@vMadhatter
·

Without Moskva and its 64 S-300F anti-aircraft/anti-missile missiles the rest of the fleet will be vulnerable to Harpoon missiles rumored to be arriving from the great Britain. Hoping to see all of Russia's Black Sea fleet meet Neptune soon!

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 06:02 AM
The Moskva has 3 anti missile systems and its own radar. This shouldn't have happened, it protects the rest of the fleet. Apparently a Ukrainian bayraktar drone was sent to "attack" the ship. The Russians spent time tracking it and shot it out the sky. As they were celebrating the decoys destruction the Neptune missile hit.


Darth Putin
@DarthPutinKGB

The Russia warship Moskva has not been sunk. It has been converted to Submarine

Darth Putin
@DarthPutinKGB

Day 50 of my 3 day war. The Russian warship Moskva, that was told “go **** yourself”, has gone & ****ed itself and sunk.

I remain a master strategist.

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 06:18 AM
Aric Toler
@AricToler
·

You know a war is going well when you lose a fleet's flagship while fighting a country without a navy

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s.a.m
14-04-2022, 07:10 AM
😆

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

Times New Roman, Arial, Verdana, Tahoma, and Helvetic fonts have become unavailable to #Russians by the copyright holder's decision. When trying to open a page with the catalog from Russian IP addresses, an access ban message appears


That's brilliant. It would be great if this could be expanded so they can only communicate in comic sans. Or *curlz MT. Or wingdings. It could be the ultimate 21st century defeat: taken down by embarassing or indecipherable fonts... :greengrin

* Don't know how to copy that on here.

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 07:16 AM
That's brilliant. It would be great if this could be expanded so they can only communicate in comic sans. Or *curlz MT. Or wingdings. It could be the ultimate 21st century defeat: taken down by embarassing or indecipherable fonts... :greengrin

* Don't know how to copy that on here.

😆 🤣 😂

stu in nottingham
14-04-2022, 08:05 AM
That's brilliant. It would be great if this could be expanded so they can only communicate in comic sans. Or *curlz MT. Or wingdings. It could be the ultimate 21st century defeat: taken down by embarassing or indecipherable fonts... :greengrin

* Don't know how to copy that on here.

Reverting to type. 👏

Moulin Yarns
14-04-2022, 08:38 AM
That's brilliant. It would be great if this could be expanded so they can only communicate in comic sans. Or *curlz MT. Or wingdings. It could be the ultimate 21st century defeat: taken down by embarassing or indecipherable fonts... :greengrin

* Don't know how to copy that on here.


Reverting to type. 👏

A font of knowledge. :wink:

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 09:36 AM
Anonymous
@YourAnonNews
·

Breaking news:

#Anonymous hacked 768,000 emails from Gazprom Linde Engineering.

Their clients include Gazprom, Gazprom Neft, Linde, Novatek, Tatneft, China National Chemical Engineering.

The leak is available on #DDoSecrets

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 09:44 AM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

Kazakhstan has decided to cancel the annual victory day parade on May 9th this year.

Looks like they want Moscow to know that they don’t want to become part of Putin’s “USSR v2.0”

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 09:55 AM
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The Japanese Self-Defense Force is reportedly in the Final Stages of preparing a Large Shipment of Military Equipment to Europe to provide to Ukraine and other Allied Countries in the Region, this will be the first Shipment of Military Materials sent from Japan in 75 years

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 09:56 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

Ex-Yukos owner Leonid Nevzlin, who emigrated from #Russia, shared unconfirmed insights from his sources in #Moscow.

According to him, #Putin arrested 20 generals. #Surkov is under house arrest, Dvorkovich is under criminal investigation

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 09:57 AM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
1h
Former Czech PM
@MirekTopolanek
speaking in Prague:

“I remember the debate in the European Council in 2008, when Polish President Lech Kaczyński, Swedish Prime Minister Reinfeldt and I were striving for tougher EU action against Russia.

Sarkozy and Merkel blocked our attempts"

“I said that we were making a big mistake and that Crimea is next in line”.

The discussion came after Russia’s invasion of Georgia in 2008.

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 02:38 PM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

Russian Senator Lilia Gumerova is horrified by the discovery that many of the Ukrainian children deported from the Donbas to Russia speak no Russian at all.

She says summer schools will be needed to integrate them in normal Russian schools.

It’s genocide

Ozyhibby
14-04-2022, 08:02 PM
Russia now confirming that their battleship has sunk.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1514695015792099329?s=21&t=9I0PVI8PEtsxhZlV1hOrUw

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Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 08:08 PM
Russia now confirming that their battleship has sunk.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1514695015792099329?s=21&t=9I0PVI8PEtsxhZlV1hOrUw

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Due to an ammunition handling accident, yeah no bother 😕 😆

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 08:17 PM
Hanna Liubakova
@HannaLiubakova
·
#Belarus The foreign minister Uladzimir Makei called on the EU to restore dialogue and abandon the sanctions policy. He called torture and killings of citizens “the unfortunate events of 2020”

The regime needs money and wants to avoid responsibility for helping Russia in the war

WhileTheChief..
14-04-2022, 08:29 PM
From Alexey Navalny....

https://twitter.com/navalny/status/1514589869204508675

Renfrew_Hibby
14-04-2022, 09:24 PM
From Alexey Navalny....

https://twitter.com/navalny/status/1514589869204508675

An exiled Russian vlogger outlining the obvious bias in Russian polling and just how you literally can't give the 'wrong' answer to a question...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_uQCNjIHeqU

Stairway 2 7
14-04-2022, 09:54 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SarahIsAwsm/status/1514425734680485891

Curb your enthusiasm would have worked too 😆

cabbageandribs1875
15-04-2022, 04:45 AM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

Russian Senator Lilia Gumerova is horrified by the discovery that many of the Ukrainian children deported from the Donbas to Russia speak no Russian at all.

She says summer schools will be needed to integrate them in normal Russian schools.

It’s genocide


it's so tragic for those kids, i can only imagine the vile propaganda they will get hit with from a very early age

Ozyhibby
15-04-2022, 06:03 AM
https://twitter.com/waterwayrealty/status/1514809270428061705?s=21&t=JWCq9pXVz98NhU7sGUFwtA

What Russians are seeing.


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Hibrandenburg
15-04-2022, 06:13 AM
it's so tragic for those kids, i can only imagine the vile propaganda they will get hit with from a very early ageUtterly gut wrenching to think what these kids must be going through. The list of things that post war Russia needs to put right just keeps growing and growing, but this particular war crime can and must be undone before the international community even considers that Russia can be rehabilitated.

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Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 08:28 AM
Last known picture of the Moskva
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makaveli1875
15-04-2022, 08:35 AM
Last known picture of the Moskva
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That’s a beautiful sight

WhileTheChief..
15-04-2022, 08:52 AM
I wonder how may lives have been saved by sinking that ship. It would have been used to fire endless missiles at Ukraine I'd imagine.

Apparently they only have another 10 ships or so in the Black Sea and Ukraine will soon have more sophisticated anti-ship weapons. Is Odessa till a realistic target?

Ozyhibby
15-04-2022, 08:54 AM
I wonder how may lives have been saved by sinking that ship. It would have been used to fire endless missiles at Ukraine I'd imagine.

Apparently they only have another 10 ships or so in the Black Sea and Ukraine will soon have more sophisticated anti-ship weapons. Is Odessa till a realistic target?

They have zero chance of occupying Odessa now. They look far more likely to lose territory from now on.


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Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 08:59 AM
I wonder how may lives have been saved by sinking that ship. It would have been used to fire endless missiles at Ukraine I'd imagine.

Apparently they only have another 10 ships or so in the Black Sea and Ukraine will soon have more sophisticated anti-ship weapons. Is Odessa till a realistic target?

Think Odessa was gone when Russia failed in getting near it by land. It would be a slaughter if only landing by sea, Ukraine already destroyed a landing ship. Although Russia is saying it was an accident that sunk it, us intelligence say they have moved all their ships another 80 miles away from the coast after this..

Uk just sent a load of harpoon anti ship missles to Ukraine that are faster and go further than Ukraines Neptune's. Moskva had 60 Sam batteries on it and 3 radars. It was an umbrella defence to a big chunk of the black sea

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 09:00 AM
They have zero chance of occupying Odessa now. They look far more likely to lose territory from now on.


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Big push on Kherson by the Ukrainians this week I think

Moulin Yarns
15-04-2022, 09:27 AM
Last known picture of the Moskva
25792

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1gYJDQXPOk

Jim44
15-04-2022, 09:48 AM
Due to an ammunition handling accident, yeah no bother 😕 😆

Putin saying Russia will return to bombing Kiiv in revenge for the sinking of the warship, which was caused by an ‘ammunition accident’. :rolleyes:

Moulin Yarns
15-04-2022, 10:14 AM
Putin saying Russia will return to bombing Kiiv in revenge for the sinking of the warship, which was caused by an ‘ammunition accident’. :rolleyes:

It was an accident that the Ukrainian ammunition exploded on contact with the boat 😉

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 10:26 AM
It successfully intercepted two Ukrainian missles, just before its redeployment as a Submarine

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 10:31 AM
Best one yet but actually not a parody

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
46m
Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov:

“If Ukraine continues its provocations by attacking Russian cities, Russia will be forced to declare war against Ukraine”

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 11:42 AM
Think the green party were keen to send more, hopefully do

https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-bickers-over-tanks-for-ukraine-amid-warnings-that-west-could-become-target/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social

Germany’s Habeck warns tank deliveries to Ukraine could turn West into Russian ‘target


Alex Luck
@AlexLuck9
Some very odd remarks here from Habeck who likely knows better. Indicates Scholz put down his foot on the "Richtlinienkompetenz

This could well be a make or break for the coalition given internal SPD resistance against such assistance appears to be strong indeed from the left wing, which seems to push Scholz on this. Just my speculation. Of course there is the question how far this should be accommodated


Boris Ryvkin🇺🇸
@BRyvkin
Czechs have sent T-72 tanks, howitzers and infantry fighting vehicles. Slovaks sent their one S-300 system complex and has proposed to send MiG-29s as well. UK sent long range artillery (not tanks yet, but hope that changes). Germany’s Vice Chancellor is flat out lying

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 11:44 AM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
A window into twisted Russian minds.

Trucks & bulldozers with “Zs” have pulled up to cemeteries where victims of the Katyn Massacre are buried in Russia.

They used loudspeakers to announce they could demolish the graves but won’t because they are good.

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 11:44 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

Former State Duma deputy and opposition activist Ilya Ponomarev said that of the 510 people who were on the sunken cruiser "Moskva", only 58 were saved

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 11:45 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

Roskomnadzor blocked the website of The Moscow Times due to a publication about #Russian security forces who refused to go to war in #Ukraine

Ozyhibby
15-04-2022, 11:45 AM
Think the green party were keen to send more, hopefully do

https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-bickers-over-tanks-for-ukraine-amid-warnings-that-west-could-become-target/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social

Germany’s Habeck warns tank deliveries to Ukraine could turn West into Russian ‘target


Alex Luck
@AlexLuck9
Some very odd remarks here from Habeck who likely knows better. Indicates Scholz put down his foot on the "Richtlinienkompetenz

This could well be a make or break for the coalition given internal SPD resistance against such assistance appears to be strong indeed from the left wing, which seems to push Scholz on this. Just my speculation. Of course there is the question how far this should be accommodated


Boris Ryvkin[emoji631]
@BRyvkin
Czechs have sent T-72 tanks, howitzers and infantry fighting vehicles. Slovaks sent their one S-300 system complex and has proposed to send MiG-29s as well. UK sent long range artillery (not tanks yet, but hope that changes). Germany’s Vice Chancellor is flat out lying

I can guarantee every single tank or any other weapon sent to Ukraine will turn into a Russian target. What a weird thing to say?


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Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 12:20 PM
I can guarantee every single tank or any other weapon sent to Ukraine will turn into a Russian target. What a weird thing to say?


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US were wary of sending the migs. Then Slovakia and Czechs sent everything and Russia did nothing, as they can't beat Ukraine never mind nato

Ozyhibby
15-04-2022, 12:37 PM
US were wary of sending the migs. Then Slovakia and Czechs sent everything and Russia did nothing, as they can't beat Ukraine never mind nato

Yip. It looks very much like Russia is a spent force. I notice all the columnists who were predicting a quick easy victory for Russia at the start have moved to it now being a long war of attrition in the east with neither side being able to win territory. I’m not really seeing that at all and think Ukraine will continue to force them back. Russia just won’t be able to service their troops with new weaponry the way Ukraine will be able to.
And the Russians now understand that they have zero chance against any NATO country. And they must be having doubts that their nuclear arsenal would be any good against modern military air defences? I read somewhere that 80% of what is fired at Kyiv is intercepted?


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WhileTheChief..
15-04-2022, 01:12 PM
It's absurd to think that their nuclear weapons programme has escaped the corruption that is rife everywhere else in the country.

With reports of tanks having their engines and electronics stolen whilst in storage, I'd be surprised if the nukes had the money spent on them to maintain everything in top notch condition.

Probably more risk of them blowing themselves up if they try to use them than anything else!

Moulin Yarns
15-04-2022, 01:52 PM
Probably more risk of them blowing themselves up if they try to use them than anything else!

And they will report it as a minor malfunction of a red button by a foreign influence. 😁

Callum_62
15-04-2022, 04:36 PM
Last known picture of the Moskva
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stu in nottingham
15-04-2022, 04:55 PM
Apologies if this has already been posted. The Football Focus (9.4.22.) article about Dnipro Kids and our own Stevie Carr. Emotional viewing.

From 50.00


https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0016cgm/football-focus-09042022

Smartie
15-04-2022, 05:53 PM
I’ve been listening to “The Putin Interviews” with Oliver Stone on Audible.

Really interesting stuff - and I’m struggling to equate the measured, sensible and diplomatic interviewee of 2015-2017 with the modern day nut job that Putin has become.

Was he lying all along? Has he changed dramatically for any number of reasons? Is he ill? Are we just being fed one-sided propaganda, no different to what the Russian population are receiving? Or a bit of all of the above?

Anyhow, it’s quite an interesting listen, especially given what has transpired over the past couple of months, and it’s interesting to get a feel for the deterioration in relations between Russia and the West over the past couple of decades.

H18 SFR
15-04-2022, 06:01 PM
I’ve been listening to “The Putin Interviews” with Oliver Stone on Audible.

Really interesting stuff - and I’m struggling to equate the measured, sensible and diplomatic interviewee of 2015-2017 with the modern day nut job that Putin has become.

Was he lying all along? Has he changed dramatically for any number of reasons? Is he ill? Are we just being fed one-sided propaganda, no different to what the Russian population are receiving? Or a bit of all of the above?

Anyhow, it’s quite an interesting listen, especially given what has transpired over the past couple of months, and it’s interesting to get a feel for the deterioration in relations between Russia and the West over the past couple of decades.

Watched these interviews a couple of years ago. At that time it changed my perception of him a lot. Given what has happened of late I think he is excellent in the art of manipulation and a born liar. It struck me at the time how intelligent he is or perhaps was.

Lendo
15-04-2022, 06:44 PM
Apologies if this has already been posted. The Football Focus (9.4.22.) article about Dnipro Kids and our own Stevie Carr. Emotional viewing.

From 50.00


https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0016cgm/football-focus-09042022

Great, greeting on the train now. Brilliant film though. Unbelievable work by Stevie and the rest of the Dnipro Kids team.

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 06:50 PM
Stone fell in love with him. The prick has been pushing pro Russian propaganda all month.


Oliver Stone
@TheOliverStone
Amid all the hysteria of Western media, screaming bloody murder at #Putin, omitting key facts when inconvenient, it’s most important to understand the full spectrum of what’s happening. With the help of the Internet, I’ve found some helpful and honest analyses


Oliver Stone
@TheOliverStone
(1/4) Is it #Russia or the #UnitedStates that’s overreaching? I hoped, when I voted for him, that age could have made
@POTUS
wiser as a leader -- but flaws remain -- a Cold Warrior conditioned by the past, despising #Putin with insults and accusations that require diplomacy

Presidency under siege,
@POTUS
sticking to worn-out
@HillaryClinton
-neocon playbook of the new, hawkish Democratic party. Pushing #NATO and #sanctions to new levels of risk in order to maim Russia at practically any cost short of WWIII - though (god forbid) that may change.

Oliver Stone
@TheOliverStone
·
Apr 6
(4/4) Also enclosed is an update from #PatrickLawrence on the war. Knowing the dirty tricks we pulled in #Syria, I understand Patrick’s mindset. All this anti-Russian propaganda, sweeping in its Western unity, smells bad -- literally like #Orwell’s "1984


Stone linked a report that I won't bother sharing that pretty much says Russia is wiping the floor and Kyiv was a trick.


Most disgusting he's linked a Russian state website debunking Bucha apparently. Bellingcat and other independent osint groups have been furious and are tweeting him with tons of evidence with no reply, vile man.

Here's Eliot Higgins bellingcat founder

Eliot Higgins
@EliotHiggins
Aside from all the other evidence and debunks of the claims linked to by Oliver Stone there's multiple drone videos of the bodies that can been confirmed as being filmed between March 21st and 30th
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1514566417772908550?t=6tYT1ljjV_nj1MW2X9wbuw&s=19

Benjamin Strick
@BenDoBrown
·
11h
Oliver, I love your movies and stuff but this report on Bucha is wrong and is human right denialist content. Here’s where it is wrong: https://info-res.org/post/disinformation-denial-russia-s-attempts-to-discredit-open-source-evidence-of-bucha

It's clear that this isn't the only time WarOnFakes has amplified propaganda about Bucha, and there's clear signs that the Russian Government supports those narratives. More seen in our report: https://info-res.org/post/disinformation-denial-russia-s-attempts-to-discredit-open-source-evidence-of-bucha and
@DeutscheWelle
https://dw.com/en/ukraine-war

Oliver Stone
@TheOliverStone
For some Sherlock Holmes clues to what’s really going on in #Bucha, here are some other reported observations
https://waronfakes.com/lies-about-bucha/sputnik-and-fakodrom-what-is-known-about-the-situation-in-bucha-on-6-04/

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenDoBrown/status/1513085409403842564
Benjamin Strick
@BenDoBrown
Pro-Russian accounts and 'fake news' sites are trying to claim that satellite imagery from
@Maxar
, posted by
@nytimes
, showing bodies on the streets of Ukraine's Bucha are fake, but in this thread, you're going to see how silly pro-Russian disinformation attempts can be

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 07:39 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/15/number-of-civilians-found-dead-in-kyiv-region-passes-900?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1650047206

Number of civilians found dead in Kyiv region passes 900
Ukrainian police say 95% of the dead were shot

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 08:35 PM
Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
Russia is stoking fears about a cross-border Ukrainian attack

Russia has raised the threat alert in Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh and Bryansk

This backs the Kremlin's narrative that Ukraine is a staging ground for a NATO attack on Russia

Igor Sushko
@igorsushko
·

More info flooding in now from everywhere. Putin's domestic terror false flags are being prepped exactly as described by #WindofChange in advance on April 8th.

Stairway 2 7
15-04-2022, 09:49 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sas-troops-are-training-local-forces-in-ukraine-32vs5bjzb

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·

The Times is reporting that British SAS troops are training Ukrainian forces around Kyiv

cabbageandribs1875
16-04-2022, 03:17 AM
how can a woman wish this abhorrent act on other women Russian Soldier And Wife Discussing Rape Of Ukrainian Women Identified By RFE/RL (rferl.org) (https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-rape-russian-soldier-wife-bykovsky/31805486.html)

The identities of a Russian soldier and his wife who discussed the rape of Ukrainian women in a phone call have been revealed following an investigation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y-H5N3iF_s) by RFE/RL.
The investigation found that Roman Bykovsky, 27, and his wife Olga Bykovskaya, whose maiden name is Pinyasovaya, were the couple behind the shocking call that has fed fears of mass rape of Ukrainian women by Russian soldiers.

“Yes, I allow it. Just wear protection,” the woman says between laughs.

Lendo
16-04-2022, 06:30 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sas-troops-are-training-local-forces-in-ukraine-32vs5bjzb

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·

The Times is reporting that British SAS troops are training Ukrainian forces around Kyiv

I’d be very surprised if British and American special forces weren’t covertly helping with the fighting directly.

Stairway 2 7
16-04-2022, 06:33 AM
Phillips P. OBrien
@PhillipsPOBrien
·

Interesting report that British forces are back in Ukraine, training forces in the Kyiv area. Pretty strong indication NATO intelligence is not expecting any attempt by Russia to try and go back to Kyiv (not that they could) in the near future

James Heappey, the armed forces minister, said this week that Ukrainian troops were due to arrive in Britain next week for armoured vehicle training.” https://thetimes.co.uk/article/sas-troops-are-training-local-forces-in-ukraine-32vs5bjzb

Ukrainian units around Kyiv say that the SAS has been training them in Ukraine in the last two weeks on the use of NLAWs. “British special forces had come to instruct a battalion in Obolon, on the outskirts of Kyiv.”

Stairway 2 7
16-04-2022, 06:37 AM
OSINT groups sat this seems fairly accurate. If the 3/1 ratio of killed to injured applies like in most battles, then could be 80,000 Russians out of combat in over a month

Asami Terajima
@AsamiTerajima
⚡️CNN: Zelensky says about 2,500 to 3,000 Ukrainian troops were killed since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, compared to Russia's casualty numbers of 19,000 to 20,000.

Zelensky added that there are about 10,000 Ukrainian troops who have suffered injuries

Stairway 2 7
16-04-2022, 06:40 AM
Friendship over now Russia is weak. Kazakhstan MOD say they are cancelling May 9th parade as borders need secured after seeing other countries invaded


Erica Marat
@EricaMarat
Correct me if I’m wrong: Kazakhstan MoD has basically said that instead of celebrating Soviet Russian May 9 version of the V-day, they are instead preparing for a now plausible Russian “special operation” scenario on their territory

Keith_M
16-04-2022, 07:48 AM
Friendship over now Russia is weak. Kazakhstan MOD say they are cancelling May 9th parade as borders need secured after seeing other countries invaded


Erica Marat
@EricaMarat
Correct me if I’m wrong: Kazakhstan MoD has basically said that instead of celebrating Soviet Russian May 9 version of the V-day, they are instead preparing for a now plausible Russian “special operation” scenario on their territory



During protests in Kazakhstan in January, the Russians sent infantry to help prop up the Putin friendly dictator, and killed large numbers of protesters.

Why would Putin have any interest in going there? Well, aside from his fantasy about restoring the Soviet Union, there is this...

"The country has some of the largest oil reserves in the world. It produces 1.6 million barrels a day and has attracted billions of dollars in foreign investment."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-59894266


The article also gives some information about the nutter currently in charge of the country.

degenerated
16-04-2022, 08:02 AM
During protests in Kazakhstan in January, the Russians sent infantry to help prop up the Putin friendly dictator, and killed large numbers of protesters.

Why would Putin have any interest in going there? Well, aside from his fantasy about restoring the Soviet Union, there is this...

"The country has some of the largest oil reserves in the world. It produces 1.6 million barrels a day and has attracted billions of dollars in foreign investment."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-59894266


The article also gives some information about the nutter currently in charge of the country.I'm reading Putin's people - how the KGB took back Russia and took on the west and it sounds like an element of the old KGB has been planning for this since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Not that far into the book yet but it's pretty interesting so far.

Stairway 2 7
16-04-2022, 09:17 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

From February 28 to April 15, at least 824 new graves appeared in #Kherson cemetery, reports the #British Center for Information Resilience (CIR).

Kherson has been under #Russian occupation since March 3.

degenerated
16-04-2022, 06:30 PM
Nicola Sturgeon on the banned from Russia list :greengrin

https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1515264715609546758?t=uTp2as7FFMlH0Q9RkiBimw&s=19

greenginger
16-04-2022, 07:01 PM
Nicola Sturgeon on the banned from Russia list :greengrin

https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1515264715609546758?t=uTp2as7FFMlH0Q9RkiBimw&s=19


Why Sturgeon ? Does she not want to bin Trident .

Smartie
16-04-2022, 07:12 PM
Why Sturgeon ? Does she not want to bin Trident .

She was quite outspoken on Twitter early on, when it looked like Johnson was going a bit light on the sanctions.

marinello59
16-04-2022, 07:20 PM
She was quite outspoken on Twitter early on, when it looked like Johnson was going a bit light on the sanctions.

She wanted NATO planes enforcing a no fly zone in Ukraine.

degenerated
16-04-2022, 07:23 PM
She wanted NATO planes enforcing a no fly zone in Ukraine.I think she just didn't want to rule it out rather than actually doing it.

Stairway 2 7
16-04-2022, 07:37 PM
Margo Gontar
@MargoGontar
·
Russia's Uralvogonzavod shuts down production. It will no longer be able to assemble any of T-72 tank (main RU tank) or newer T-90 & T-14 tanks (Armata). Reason: lack of imported components. It means more saved UA lives, is direct result of Western sanctions which should continue

Lendo
16-04-2022, 08:18 PM
I think she just didn't want to rule it out rather than actually doing it.

Precisely, she gave the Stateman’s answer of keeping all option on the table.

Smartie
16-04-2022, 10:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Odessa_Journal/status/1515399841236541443?cxt=HHwWhoCz2Y2I5IcqAAAA

WhileTheChief..
16-04-2022, 10:46 PM
Why Sturgeon ? Does she not want to bin Trident .

You’d hope that policy will quietly be put to bed.

It’s vital that we retain our deterrent. Who knows what the world will be like in 20, 50 or 100 years.

We’ve been spending massively on our submarines, long may it continue.

Ozyhibby
17-04-2022, 12:28 AM
Why Sturgeon ? Does she not want to bin Trident .

Douglas Ross still welcome though? Tells a story.[emoji6]


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Moulin Yarns
17-04-2022, 10:00 AM
You’d hope that policy will quietly be put to bed.

It’s vital that we retain our deterrent. Who knows what the world will be like in 20, 50 or 100 years.

We’ve been overspending massively on our submarines, long may it continue.

Why do we need a deterrent when Germany, Canada, Spain, Italy and many others don't have them?

Who is going to use nuclear weapons against Scotland or the UK?

Stairway 2 7
17-04-2022, 10:07 AM
Why do we need a deterrent when Germany, Canada, Spain, Italy and many others don't have them?

Who is going to use nuclear weapons against Scotland or the UK?

Sadly if Russia and China have them, other nations have to have them to counter. Some countries don't want them or the financial burden of them but do want the west to have them. It would be better if no one had them but alas. Probably be better if nato had them as a whole and the price was split equally.

Looks like UK, US, Australia and Japan are going to sort a joint security agreement, hopefully brings savings

Lendo
17-04-2022, 10:09 AM
Why do we need a deterrent when Germany, Canada, Spain, Italy and many others don't have them?

Who is going to use nuclear weapons against Scotland or the UK?

People naively assume that by getting rid of Trident and the storage facility at Coulport we will suddenly not be a target for nuclear weapons. Couldn’t be further from the truth. If an independent Scotland were to remain in NATO then we would be a target regardless. Governmental buildings, military bases, nuclear power stations. All of these are listed as targets in declassified Soviet documents.

https://www.secretscotland.org.uk/index.php/Secrets/NuclearStrikeTargetsScottish

Stairway 2 7
17-04-2022, 12:49 PM
https://correspondent.afp.com/bucha-street-filled-bodies

An AFP team were the first journalists to discover the horrors of Bucha, a quiet commuter town near Kyiv, occupied by the Russian army for over a month, where Russian troops are accused of massacring hundreds of civilians. This is Danny Kemp’s account of what they saw that day. Some may find it distressing

stu in nottingham
17-04-2022, 01:23 PM
One of, if not the largest shipping companies in the world I believe.

Maersk to completely leave Russia and sell its Russian assets

https://trans.info/en/russia-maersk-281292

Stairway 2 7
17-04-2022, 03:11 PM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

Volodymyr Zelensky said in an interview with CNN that Ukraine would not give up its eastern territories to Russia in order to end the war.

Ukrainian army will fight in Donbas with Russia and this clash of troops will be decisive in the war, Zelensky said

Stairway 2 7
17-04-2022, 03:13 PM
Lesia Vasylenko
@lesiavasylenko
·
Sanctions work! #Russia can no longer buy components for anti air missile systems Buk and similar. Production levels fall close to zero. Eventually this will reduce attacks on #Ukraine. But the sanctions must keep going

Stairway 2 7
17-04-2022, 05:21 PM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

The head of the #Zaporizhzhya regional state administration, Oleg Buryak, reports that the #Russian military kidnapped his 16-year-old son Vladislav.

This information was also confirmed by Zlata Nekrasova, deputy head of the Zaporizhzhya regional military administration

My son was kidnapped. #Russians kidnapped him. He is only 16 years old. I don't know where my son is now. I appeal to #European community, to all humanity - help me. Let the whole world know that Russians are kidnapping children here in the country," said Oleg Buryak

hibby rae
17-04-2022, 05:33 PM
Why do we need a deterrent when Germany, Canada, Spain, Italy and many others don't have them?

Who is going to use nuclear weapons against Scotland or the UK?

100% agree. It's not even an independent system as it relies on the US to keep running. A vanity project on the UK's part as it still wants to be one of the big boys.

Stairway 2 7
17-04-2022, 05:35 PM
100% agree. It's not even an independent system as it relies on the US to keep running. A vanity project on the UK's part as it still wants to be one of the big boys.

Should we have no nuclear bombs in Europe apart from in Russia? Or are we wanting America to fund and protect

hibby rae
17-04-2022, 07:32 PM
Should we have no nuclear bombs in Europe apart from in Russia? Or are we wanting America to fund and protect

The fact we are in NATO with the US, who along with Russia possesses 90% of all warheads, negates the need for nuclear weaponry in the UK's military. The money spent on them would be far better spent on conventional means.

Stairway 2 7
17-04-2022, 07:44 PM
The US has to base them somewhere in Europe, no one wants to do it but all want the protection. Nato should have them in Europe and the price should be shared by all.

Moulin Yarns
17-04-2022, 10:06 PM
The US has to base them somewhere in Europe, no one wants to do it but all want the protection. Nato should have them in Europe and the price should be shared by all.

France has nuclear weapons, is that not close enough to be a deterrent?

greenginger
17-04-2022, 10:10 PM
France has nuclear weapons, is that not close enough to be a deterrent?

I think that would depend upon who was French president.

Moulin Yarns
17-04-2022, 10:16 PM
I think that would depend upon who was French president.

Maybe Le Pen will get rid of them, sell them to Boris at a knock down price of €250bn 😁

Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 04:43 AM
Once again its the same. We want France to pay billions and all get the protection from Russia and China. It should be shared. It would obviously be better if they were all gone, but Russia isn't giving them up and we need a counter

Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 05:13 AM
Once again its the same. We want France to pay billions and all get the protection from Russia and China. It should be shared. It would obviously be better if they were all gone, but Russia isn't giving them up and we need a counter

I wouldn’t discount Russia giving them up. They have managed to work themselves into a really bad place now. If Ukraine wins on the battlefield then the terms set by the west for lifting the sanctions will be high.


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Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 05:48 AM
I wouldn’t discount Russia giving them up. They have managed to work themselves into a really bad place now. If Ukraine wins on the battlefield then the terms set by the west for lifting the sanctions will be high.


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Still leaves China, north Korea, isreal, UK, France,
Pakistan, India and the USA

Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 05:50 AM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

Italian PM Mario Draghi spoke with Putin today and tried to tell him to end the war.

"I'm starting to understand that those who say that talking to Russia’s leadership is a waste of time have a point

Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 05:59 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

The war in #Ukraine could lead more than 1.7 billion people to poverty and hunger. This was stated by UN Secretary General António Guterres in an interview with Seznam Zprvy. He called Russia's war against Ukraine a "silent attack" on developing countries

Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 06:09 AM
Ukraine could be close to encircling a large part of russias Donbas troops

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1515931307544662017

Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 07:58 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

The war in #Ukraine could lead more than 1.7 billion people to poverty and hunger. This was stated by UN Secretary General António Guterres in an interview with Seznam Zprvy. He called Russia's war against Ukraine a "silent attack" on developing countries

I think the war in Ukraine will kill more people outside Ukraine than inside over the next few years.


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Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 08:02 AM
I think the war in Ukraine will kill more people outside Ukraine than inside over the next few years.


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100%. You rightly said about the arab spring previously, that's going to be small scale in comparison. Another reason why we need to help Ukraine end this. Could be tens of millions of lives depending on it. Although I fear Russia has damaged Ukraine enough, that it won't produce in the same way soon

hibby rae
18-04-2022, 08:35 AM
Should we have no nuclear bombs in Europe apart from in Russia? Or are we wanting America to fund and protect

Why do you think they need to be based in Europe?

Most will be in silos in the US, or are designed to be launched by US submarines or through air-delivered means by aircraft such as B-52s.

They can fly from the US around the arctic circle, and the submarines are based in the US who also decided to close the Holy Loch base years ago. Which says to me they don't see a necessity in having them here.

If you mean smaller tactical warheads then there's no advantage to basing them in the UK. But that's up to the other European countries to decide what they want to do.

The US will have nuclear weapons no matter what the UK does, they aren't doing it for us. But for Britain, there's no real value. The decision to retain them is because they are still struggling to seem relevant. And they rely on American designs and maintenance, the UK doesn't even own them but leases the missile.

The money should go elsewhere.

Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 08:52 AM
Why do you think they need to be based in Europe?

Most will be in silos in the US, or are designed to be launched by US submarines or through air-delivered means by aircraft such as B-52s.

They can fly from the US around the arctic circle, and the submarines are based in the US who also decided to close the Holy Loch base years ago. Which says to me they don't see a necessity in having them here.

If you mean smaller tactical warheads then there's no advantage to basing them in the UK. But that's up to the other European countries to decide what they want to do.

The US will have nuclear weapons no matter what the UK does, they aren't doing it for us. But for Britain, there's no real value. The decision to retain them is because they are still struggling to seem relevant. And they rely on American designs and maintenance, the UK doesn't even own them but leases the missile.

The money should go elsewhere.

No the US has nuclear weapons all over Europe. Dozens each in Germany Italy Turkey and other nations. They need to be in Europe as it would take over 30 mins to fly from the US.

UK shouldn't have their own, but it should be joint funded.

It looks like the UK, US, Australia and Japan are going to announce a large security pact, so things might change. First sign was Australia ditching the 90 billion pound French Submarine deal for UK, US nuclear Submarines.

hibby rae
18-04-2022, 08:59 AM
No the US has nuclear weapons all over Europe. Dozens each in Germany Italy Turkey and other nations. They need to be in Europe as it would take over 30 mins to fly from the US.

UK shouldn't have their own, but it should be joint funded.

It looks like the UK, US, Australia and Japan are going to announce a large security pact, so things might change. First sign was Australia ditching the 90 billion pound French Submarine deal for UK, US nuclear Submarines.

Which is why they also have the ability to deliver via US sub etc. They don't need the UK as a staging area, but as I said if another European nation wants them on their soil, that's their business.

The UK already puts funding into Nato, and the US doesn't need funding for their arsenal from outside sources, doesn't need to fund anything else except it's own military.

And there will be a lot of gear the UK could use but doesn't have or isn't up to standard which would be far more valuable. Remember when UK soldiers were being sent to Afghanistan without body armour, or when the RN didn't have it's own air cover?

Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 09:09 AM
Which is why they also have the ability to deliver via US sub etc. They don't need the UK as a staging area, but as I said if another European nation wants them on their soil, that's their business.

The UK already puts funding into Nato, and the US doesn't need funding for their arsenal from outside sources, doesn't need to fund anything else except it's own military.

And there will be a lot of gear the UK could use but doesn't have or isn't up to standard which would be far more valuable. Remember when UK soldiers were being sent to Afghanistan without body armour, or when the RN didn't have it's own air cover?

The call to get rid of nuclear weapons will be at its lowest in decades, thanks to Putin showing how easily mad men can flip. Its unfair on America that everyone wants protection but no cost.

As for our army. I think Russia has shown how good the UK's logistics and equipment is, especially getting it across the world to fight. Although I wish we hadn't went to Iraq, the experience gained will have been huge. Like it or loathe it, the UK is one of the world's top military powers

Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 09:10 AM
I would not advocate getting rid of the the nuclear sub base in Scotland as it would be a nice little earner for an Indy Scotland. If we are part of NATO anyway then there is zero point in saying we are against nuclear while still operating under a nuclear umbrella. I also think after Indy that that’s what will happen. Hard heads will prevail and charging about £22bn a year rent will be a good deal for all parties.
Those are decisions for after a yes vote though and are only my opinion.


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Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 09:12 AM
The call to get rid of nuclear weapons will be at its lowest in decades, thanks to Putin showing how easily mad men can flip. Its unfair on America that everyone wants protection but no cost.

As for our army. I think Russia has shown how good the UK's logistics and equipment is, especially getting it across the world to fight. Although I wish we hadn't went to Iraq, the experience gained will have been huge. Like it or loathe it, the UK is one of the world's top military powers

I often think that the reason we get into so many wars and conflicts is that the armed forces always want to keep themselves ready and the only way an organisation really learns is when it’s tested in real life settings. I don’t think the UK has ever not been involved in a conflict since WWII.


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Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 09:16 AM
I would not advocate getting rid of the the nuclear sub base in Scotland as it would be a nice little earner for an Indy Scotland. If we are part of NATO anyway then there is zero point in saying we are against nuclear while still operating under a nuclear umbrella. I also think after Indy that that’s what will happen. Hard heads will prevail and charging about £22bn a year rent will be a good deal for all parties.
Those are decisions for after a yes vote though and are only my opinion.


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Agree with all of that, it's a good asset for an independent nation

Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 09:19 AM
I often think that the reason we get into so many wars and conflicts is that the armed forces always want to keep themselves ready and the only way an organisation really learns is when it’s tested in real life settings. I don’t think the UK has ever not been involved in a conflict since WWII.


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It's obviously abhorrent that we're always at war but it undoubtedly helps. Many say that's why Russia are so poor. A huge army that has never really been in battle. It just bullies tiny nations quickly and you don't learn from that. Nato told Ukraine to rotate the soldiers that were fighting in the Donbas, so they all get experience.

Good article on how nato helped Ukraine change its stuffy top down command that Russia uses

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/08/ukraines-iron-general-zaluzhnyy-00023901

Aldo
18-04-2022, 09:32 AM
I would not advocate getting rid of the the nuclear sub base in Scotland as it would be a nice little earner for an Indy Scotland. If we are part of NATO anyway then there is zero point in saying we are against nuclear while still operating under a nuclear umbrella. I also think after Indy that that’s what will happen. Hard heads will prevail and charging about £22bn a year rent will be a good deal for all parties.
Those are decisions for after a yes vote though and are only my opinion.


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You say that Ozy but is it not the case the SNP don’t want Trident in Scotland!

I remember the outcry when the decided not to award the Sub refitting contract to Rosyth and went to Devonport which wasn’t fit for purpose costing thousands of jobs.

What will happen to all those jobs etc at Faslane etc if the SNP decides it doesn’t want Trident in Scotland?

Being a former Polaris Submariner I’m all for Nuclear weapons as a deterrent!


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Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 09:53 AM
You say that Ozy but is it not the case the SNP don’t want Trident in Scotland!

I remember the outcry when the decided not to award the Sub refitting contract to Rosyth and went to Devonport which wasn’t fit for purpose costing thousands of jobs.

What will happen to all those jobs etc at Faslane etc if the SNP decides it doesn’t want Trident in Scotland?

Being a former Polaris Submariner I’m all for Nuclear weapons as a deterrent!


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I agree it’s SNP policy but that policy may not survive once we become independent. It is a policy that would take a couple of decades to implement so there is plenty of time to change it. And I think that’s what will happen whether the SNP want it or not.


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Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 09:54 AM
It's obviously abhorrent that we're always at war but it undoubtedly helps. Many say that's why Russia are so poor. A huge army that has never really been in battle. It just bullies tiny nations quickly and you don't learn from that. Nato told Ukraine to rotate the soldiers that were fighting in the Donbas, so they all get experience.

Good article on how nato helped Ukraine change its stuffy top down command that Russia uses

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/08/ukraines-iron-general-zaluzhnyy-00023901

Interesting read.[emoji106]


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Smartie
18-04-2022, 09:55 AM
You say that Ozy but is it not the case the SNP don’t want Trident in Scotland!

I remember the outcry when the decided not to award the Sub refitting contract to Rosyth and went to Devonport which wasn’t fit for purpose costing thousands of jobs.

What will happen to all those jobs etc at Faslane etc if the SNP decides it doesn’t want Trident in Scotland?

Being a former Polaris Submariner I’m all for Nuclear weapons as a deterrent!


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I'm sure I heard that Mark Blyth chap talking about this on a webinar. He's now in favour of independence but strongly disagrees with the SNP's anti-trident stance.

He'd said something along the lines of offering up the use of Faslane to Putin and the Chinese to get an idea of the going rate, then going to back the rUK and letting them know the price they need to pay to keep using it. It would be more than enough to comfortably keep a country of our size on it's own.

I must admit, my political opinions are all a bit up the air at the moment. The world has changed unrecognisably over the past couple of the months from the way it was before and I'm yet to fully decide what to make of it all. I was previously anti nuclear weapons and pro EU but there's a lot happening right now that's making me question all of that. If it wasn't for the fact that the Tories are such an utterly reprehensible shower of ****bags, I'd probably be reconsidering other opinions closer to home.

Aldo
18-04-2022, 09:55 AM
I agree it’s SNP policy but that policy may not survive once we become independent. It is a policy that would take a couple of decades to implement so there is plenty of time to change it. And I think that’s what will happen whether the SNP want it or not.


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Agreed.

There will be something written or agreed somewhere that it wouldn’t be immediate etc!


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Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 10:09 AM
I'm sure I heard that Mark Blyth chap talking about this on a webinar. He's now in favour of independence but strongly disagrees with the SNP's anti-trident stance.

He'd said something along the lines of offering up the use of Faslane to Putin and the Chinese to get an idea of the going rate, then going to back the rUK and letting them know the price they need to pay to keep using it. It would be more than enough to comfortably keep a country of our size on it's own.

I must admit, my political opinions are all a bit up the air at the moment. The world has changed unrecognisably over the past couple of the months from the way it was before and I'm yet to fully decide what to make of it all. I was previously anti nuclear weapons and pro EU but there's a lot happening right now that's making me question all of that. If it wasn't for the fact that the Tories are such an utterly reprehensible shower of ****bags, I'd probably be reconsidering other opinions closer to home.

I don’t think much has changed at all. I think this was always going to happen since 2008. The response of some countries in Europe was poor but in others it was good. The important thing is that it is now a lot better across the board. While Germany is getting criticism it is slowly sourcing other energy supplies and the picture will be very different 6 months from now. The supply of weapons into Ukraine is really starting to flow now and that will likely increase.
While Putin can be compared to Hitler, Russia is nowhere near as strong as Germany was in 1939. The sanctions will work and ordinary Russians will be feeling real pain soon. We just have to be patient while arming the Ukrainians to the teeth.


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DH1875
18-04-2022, 01:58 PM
I often think that the reason we get into so many wars and conflicts is that the armed forces always want to keep themselves ready and the only way an organisation really learns is when it’s tested in real life settings. I don’t think the UK has ever not been involved in a conflict since WWII.


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There have been plenty of conflicts since WWII that our armed forces havent been part of.

Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 02:01 PM
There have been plenty of conflicts since WWII that our armed forces havent been part of.

He means we've continuously been in conflict, not in every single conflict

Hibrandenburg
18-04-2022, 02:26 PM
I don’t think much has changed at all. I think this was always going to happen since 2008. The response of some countries in Europe was poor but in others it was good. The important thing is that it is now a lot better across the board. While Germany is getting criticism it is slowly sourcing other energy supplies and the picture will be very different 6 months from now. The supply of weapons into Ukraine is really starting to flow now and that will likely increase.
While Putin can be compared to Hitler, Russia is nowhere near as strong as Germany was in 1939. The sanctions will work and ordinary Russians will be feeling real pain soon. We just have to be patient while arming the Ukrainians to the teeth.


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We just need to make sure we don't make the same mistakes with Russia like we did with Germany after the first World War.

Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 03:54 PM
We just need to make sure we don't make the same mistakes with Russia like we did with Germany after the first World War.

Think there were two mistakes there. The reparations were far too harsh but also they should never have been allowed to re-arm. I don’t think we should make either mistake but first of all they need disarmed. Everything else should flow from that.


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Bristolhibby
18-04-2022, 05:22 PM
We just need to make sure we don't make the same mistakes with Russia like we did with Germany after the first World War.

It’s regime change, but we need the gangsters out also. Have real democracy.

The danger is that we open Pandora’s box and end up with a situation even worse. A Power vacuum. Civil War in Russia, smaller well armed warlords. Chechnya, Dagestan, etc.

J

Bristolhibby
18-04-2022, 05:25 PM
I'm sure I heard that Mark Blyth chap talking about this on a webinar. He's now in favour of independence but strongly disagrees with the SNP's anti-trident stance.

He'd said something along the lines of offering up the use of Faslane to Putin and the Chinese to get an idea of the going rate, then going to back the rUK and letting them know the price they need to pay to keep using it. It would be more than enough to comfortably keep a country of our size on it's own.

I must admit, my political opinions are all a bit up the air at the moment. The world has changed unrecognisably over the past couple of the months from the way it was before and I'm yet to fully decide what to make of it all. I was previously anti nuclear weapons and pro EU but there's a lot happening right now that's making me question all of that. If it wasn't for the fact that the Tories are such an utterly reprehensible shower of ****bags, I'd probably be reconsidering other opinions closer to home.

I’m pro Independence
Pro EU
Pro NATO
Pro Deterrent.

I also think we should use it as a bargaining chip if negotiations cut up rough with rUK. That said I’d be happy for them to lease Faslane (like the bases in Cyprus). They keep their Nukes, we get collective deterrent and do our bit by providing basing facilities. Quid pro quo is Scottish workers must be used also.

J

Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 06:55 PM
https://twitter.com/rskidelsky/status/1515612394562768898?s=21&t=oD0e8tnmP5shKH1tfQUIUw

Another Lord sides with Putin.


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Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 08:08 PM
Christo Grozev
@christogrozev
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Heavy large-caliber shelling reported at Kharkiv and Mykolaiv, as well as at most Ukrainian positions in Luhansk and Donetsk. Clearly Russia tonight has started the new stage of the war - with one front only, focused on Eastern Ukraine

Stairway 2 7
18-04-2022, 08:12 PM
max seddon
@maxseddon
· 2m
Zelensky says Russia’s long-awaited offensive in the Donbas is underway.

“We will defend ourselves. We will fight. We won’t give up anything Ukrainian […] however many troops they send there

Kato
18-04-2022, 08:43 PM
We just need to make sure we don't make the same mistakes with Russia like we did with Germany after the first World War.We made those mistakes at the end of the Cold War. Revenge for Versaille and now revenge for all that glasnost.

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Kato
18-04-2022, 08:49 PM
https://twitter.com/rskidelsky/status/1515612394562768898?s=21&t=oD0e8tnmP5shKH1tfQUIUw

Another Lord sides with Putin.


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https://twitter.com/johnrevill7/status/1516139093817712649?t=7bE3Oq1A61oOeXMVLnWIwA&s=19

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greenginger
18-04-2022, 09:11 PM
https://twitter.com/rskidelsky/status/1515612394562768898?s=21&t=oD0e8tnmP5shKH1tfQUIUw

Another Lord sides with Putin.


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Skidelsky

A crossbencher. Started As as a labour peer, moved liberals, social democrats then Tory’s .

Now no party affiliations , sounds like nobody wants him. Is there anyway to P 45 him from the Lords ?

Ozyhibby
18-04-2022, 09:26 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Skidelsky

A crossbencher. Started As as a labour peer, moved liberals, social democrats then Tory’s .

Now no party affiliations , sounds like nobody wants him. Is there anyway to P 45 him from the Lords ?

Can’t we just P45 them all?[emoji35]


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Just Alf
18-04-2022, 09:28 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Skidelsky

A crossbencher. Started As as a labour peer, moved liberals, social democrats then Tory’s .

Now no party affiliations , sounds like nobody wants him. Is there anyway to P 45 him from the Lords ?Sounds a plan! :agree:

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 06:54 AM
Uk sending a major bit of kit now. The stormer armoured vehicle has 16 star streak missiles on board.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/britain-send-stormer-armoured-missiles-26741364.amp

Britain to send Stormer armoured missiles to Ukraine in move that 'will anger Putin'

Boris Johnson is set to further anger warmongering Russian president Vladimir Putin by sending 'the best kit yet' to bolster Ukraine and strike fear into Moscow's pilots, it is reported

Ozyhibby
19-04-2022, 07:32 AM
Uk sending a major bit of kit now. The stormer armoured vehicle has 16 star streak missiles on board.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/britain-send-stormer-armoured-missiles-26741364.amp

Britain to send Stormer armoured missiles to Ukraine in move that 'will anger Putin'

Boris Johnson is set to further anger warmongering Russian president Vladimir Putin by sending 'the best kit yet' to bolster Ukraine and strike fear into Moscow's pilots, it is reported

We have about 200 of those and we are not using them anyway. Keep it up.


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Moulin Yarns
19-04-2022, 07:47 AM
We have about 200 of those and we are not using them anyway. Keep it up.


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Hey, we can send them trident missiles as well, we're not using them anyway. 😉

Ozyhibby
19-04-2022, 09:12 AM
Hey, we can send them trident missiles as well, we're not using them anyway. [emoji6]

Those are still in service though.


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He's here!
19-04-2022, 10:09 AM
Seems a long time since talk of this war being over in weeks. Feels like things are going to be bogged down horribly for many months to come.

Smartie
19-04-2022, 10:43 AM
Seems a long time since talk of this war being over in weeks. Feels like things are going to be bogged down horribly for many months to come.

Who’d have thought the Mariupol resistance would have lasted longer than the Maloney one?

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 11:59 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

#France intends to convince its #EU partners to impose an embargo on #Russian oil supplies.

This was stated by the head of the French Ministry of Finance Bruno Le Maire

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 01:50 PM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

Dutch PM Mark Rutte just announced that he has been on the phone with Zelensky & told him Netherlands will send heavier weapons to Ukraine in response to Russia’s new offensive in the Donbas.

The first shipment will consist of armored vehicles but other weapons will be sent too

JeMeSouviens
19-04-2022, 01:55 PM
Seems a long time since talk of this war being over in weeks. Feels like things are going to be bogged down horribly for many months to come.

:agree: Pretty much all expert opinion seemed to be it would be weeks if not days.

It's a real double edged sword when you see how much ***** the Ukrainian population is having to go through. All for the ********ry of a single ********. It's a pretty ***** world at times.

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 01:57 PM
Evgen Vorobiov 🇺🇦
@vorobyov
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24m
How has Europe responded to #ArmUkraineNow? Short data analysis [THREAD].
Alas, some EU countries, inc. France🇫🇷 and Germany🇩🇪, have armed russia *more* over the past 8 years than Ukraine now.
Yes, despite EU sanctions slapped in 2014 after russia invaded UA for the first time

France sent 10 times more weapons to russia (>1bn euro) in 2014-2020 than it has to Ukraine since large-scale war began.
Sources:
- France’s national reports on arms exports in 2014-20 (https://sipri.org/databases/national-reports/France)

Germany appears to have sent far less weapons to Ukraine (since Feb'22) than it has exported to russia in 2014-20.
Sources: Germany’s gov't reports on arms exports in 2014-20 (https://sipri.org/databases/national-reports/Germany), own calculations of military aid value to UA based on open sources.

3/ The Netherlands 🇳🇱 and Sweden 🇸🇪 have delivered much more arms to 🇺🇦 per capita than Germany or France since the large war started.
NL and SWE's national arms export reports indicate that they did not issue any licenses for arms export to RU in 2014-20 (only dual-use goods).

4/ Italy🇮🇹 exported arms to RU in previous years, but it has recently decided to send weapons to 🇺🇦 (we will see if more than it sold to russia).
Austria🇦🇹 exported arms to russia in 2014-20; it does not supply any to UA now.
Source: Investigate Europe

https://www.investigate-europe.eu/en/2022/eu-states-exported-weapons-to-russia/

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 01:58 PM
max seddon
@maxseddon
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25m
This is the most stridently anti-war comment I've seen from a Russian billionaire, here: sanctioned banking impresario
@olegtinkov
.

"How can we have a good army if everything else in the country is **** and smeared with nepotism and servility? 90% of Russians OPPOSE this war!

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 02:09 PM
Francis Scarr
@francska1
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Last night state TV's Vladimir Solovyov suggested genocide accusations made against Moscow were aimed at preparing British public opinion for a nuclear strike by the UK on Russia

Moulin Yarns
19-04-2022, 02:29 PM
Those are still in service though.


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They are just passengers taking up space on a submarine, we don't use them 😉

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 02:46 PM
They are just passengers taking up space on a submarine, we don't use them 😉

Don't count your chickens with mad vlad about

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 04:15 PM
Jack Detsch
@JackDetsch
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NEW: Russia is down to 75 percent of pre-staged combat power in Ukraine: senior U.S. defense official

U.S. officials believed Russia assembled up to 190,000 troops on Ukraine's border ahead of the Feb. 24 invasion

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 05:07 PM
@JeremyCliffe
Olaf Scholz has just delivered a rather halting press statement digging in to his positions on Russia/Ukraine:

- German financial help for weapons purchases (but no heavy arms transfers)
- no German "going it alone"
- no change to existing timetable re phasing out Russian energy

The mantra "keine Alleingänge" (no going it alone) now seems to be the go-to excuse for Germany's persistent refusal to provide anything resembling the leadership and impetus required of it as the continent's largest economy and anchor state

In fact Germany is increasingly going it alone in just how *little* support (relative to size & wealth) it is providing Ukraine:
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Phillips P. OBrien
@PhillipsPOBrien
·

A conclusion from this is that Scholz thinks Putin stays in power for a while, sanctions will be phased out, and the Russian-German relationship will become closer. The point about Germany not 'going it alone' is so incoherent that he's grasping at ways not to help Ukraine now

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 05:07 PM
Liza Fokht
@lizafokht
·

BBC RS found another conscript who went missing after the "Moskva" sinking. His name is Sergei, he's 21. His mother says a commander told her son had died. At the same time MoD insists that he's alive. But the family hasn't heard from Sergei in 4 days

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 05:08 PM
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

BREAKING:

Romania will start donating lethal weapons to Ukraine.

Such transfers to non-NATO states are currently illegal according to Romania law, but the parliament will quickly amend the law for the sake of Ukraine

Ozyhibby
19-04-2022, 06:16 PM
@JeremyCliffe
Olaf Scholz has just delivered a rather halting press statement digging in to his positions on Russia/Ukraine:

- German financial help for weapons purchases (but no heavy arms transfers)
- no German "going it alone"
- no change to existing timetable re phasing out Russian energy

The mantra "keine Alleingänge" (no going it alone) now seems to be the go-to excuse for Germany's persistent refusal to provide anything resembling the leadership and impetus required of it as the continent's largest economy and anchor state

In fact Germany is increasingly going it alone in just how *little* support (relative to size & wealth) it is providing Ukraine:
25801

Phillips P. OBrien
@PhillipsPOBrien
·

A conclusion from this is that Scholz thinks Putin stays in power for a while, sanctions will be phased out, and the Russian-German relationship will become closer. The point about Germany not 'going it alone' is so incoherent that he's grasping at ways not to help Ukraine now

This is going to cost Germany it’s leadership position within the EU. Scholz appears the be a lightweight.


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Hibrandenburg
19-04-2022, 06:19 PM
@JeremyCliffe
Olaf Scholz has just delivered a rather halting press statement digging in to his positions on Russia/Ukraine:

- German financial help for weapons purchases (but no heavy arms transfers)
- no German "going it alone"
- no change to existing timetable re phasing out Russian energy

The mantra "keine Alleingänge" (no going it alone) now seems to be the go-to excuse for Germany's persistent refusal to provide anything resembling the leadership and impetus required of it as the continent's largest economy and anchor state

In fact Germany is increasingly going it alone in just how *little* support (relative to size & wealth) it is providing Ukraine:
25801

Phillips P. OBrien
@PhillipsPOBrien
·

A conclusion from this is that Scholz thinks Putin stays in power for a while, sanctions will be phased out, and the Russian-German relationship will become closer. The point about Germany not 'going it alone' is so incoherent that he's grasping at ways not to help Ukraine now

Just a couple of facts:

1. Germany's constitution doesn't allow them to send lethal weaponry to a war zone, despite this they are doing so. The current German constitution had to have the approval of the Western Allies before it came into effect in 1949.

2. Germany has been the largest donor of aid to Ukraine since 2014.

3. Germany has provided Ukraine with double the value of military equipment than the UK.

4. Germany is training Ukrainian military personnel in Germany.

5. Germany is evacuating and giving medical treatment to Ukrainian war wounded.

6. Germany has officially provided refuge for 360,000 Ukrainian refugees, the actual numbers are likely to be much higher.

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 06:42 PM
Just a couple of facts:

1. Germany's constitution doesn't allow them to send lethal weaponry to a war zone, despite this they are doing so. The current German constitution had to have the approval of the Western Allies before it came into effect in 1949.

2. Germany has been the largest donor of aid to Ukraine since 2014.

3. Germany has provided Ukraine with double the value of military equipment than the UK.

4. Germany is training Ukrainian military personnel in Germany.

5. Germany is evacuating and giving medical treatment to Ukrainian war wounded.

6. Germany has officially provided refuge for 360,000 Ukrainian refugees, the actual numbers are likely to be much higher.


Do you work for the spd. Germany gave more weapons to russia when the embargo was in place post 2014, than it has given Ukraine. Germany has given less than almost all EU nations per gdp. To say its given even nearly as much as the UK is just ridiculous. Almost 200 million in just nlaws pre war when it was needed in stopping them getting Kyiv. The sky sabre systems are 100 milion each. The star streak missiles are 100k each and we've sent hundreds. We're most importantly sending heavy armour.

Lots of nations were constitutionally allowed to send weapons, they quickly changed that, including sweeden and Japan. Its the whole of Europe that is furious with Scholz tonight even many Germans


Jan Böhmermann 🤨
@janboehm
Russland hat Scholz in der Tasche. Anders ist dieses Geeiere nicht zu erklären.


Russia has Scholz in the bag. There is no other way to explain this mess


Italians
Thomas C. Theiner
@noclador
·
20m
🇩🇪 Germany's Heer has 4x Panzergrenadier batailions, each with 44 Marder (= 176 in total)

The Heer says it has another 206 reserve Marder & German industry has another 100 Marder = 306.

Germany's government says these can't be sold to Ukraine, but can be sold to Greece


Scottish war historians


Polish ministers
Sławomir Dębski
@SlawomirDebski
Scholz digs in a policy “wait and see” until Russia smashes Ukraine, then we will lead again. The problem with this approach is that it almost cries for U.S to intervene with a threat of secondary sanctions, to make Berlin move. The White House won’t do that. Congress will

Germany war lecturers
Georg 'Maverick' Löfflmann
@gloefflmann
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10h
Germany’s refusal to send heavy weapons to Ukraine is morally reprehensible, politically cowardly, strategically misinformed and militarily nonsensical. And it will come back to haunt this country. Berlin must finally change course in the wake of Russia’s war of annihilation

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 06:47 PM
Hanna Liubakova
@HannaLiubakova
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#Ukraine Police have found more than 1,000 bodies of civilians killed in the Kyiv region.Most of them were shot dead,regional police chief Andrei Nebitov said.More than 420 bodies have already been found in Bucha alone.People returning to their homes find new victims in basements

Hibrandenburg
19-04-2022, 07:03 PM
The German army doesn't possess the military equipment that the UK is sending Ukraine, so how can it be expected to supply similar to Ukraine.

You do realise that Jan Böhmermann is a satrical comedian?

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/support-ukraine-2004148

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland-waffenlieferung-ukraine-krieg-russland-100.html

And again, Germany's constitution that had to be approved by the occupying Western Allies doesn't allow them to send weapons to a war zone. Asking Germany to supply weapons to a war zone is akin to asking Americans to give up theirs, it ain't gonna happen overnight. If Germany's hands are tied then the Western Allies including the UK have to take at least partial responsibility for that fact.

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 07:12 PM
The German army doesn't possess the military equipment that the UK is sending Ukraine, so how can it be expected to supply similar to Ukraine.

You do realise that Jan Böhmermann is a satrical comedian?

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/support-ukraine-2004148

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland-waffenlieferung-ukraine-krieg-russland-100.html

Yes and political activist. He's been retweeting lots of anti Scholz things to his millions of followers all this tonight

Jan Böhmermann 🤨 Retweeted
Jeremy Cliffe
@JeremyCliffe
The mantra "keine Alleingänge" (no going it alone) now seems to be the go-to excuse for Germany's persistent refusal to provide anything resembling the leadership and impetus required of it as the continent's largest economy and anchor state

Jan Böhmermann 🤨 Retweeted
Philip Oltermann
@philipoltermann
Scholz, looking unusually tense, gives 15-minute statement to announce... nothing. No news on oil or gas embargo, nor on delivering heavy weapons requested by Ukraine.

Jan Böhmermann 🤨
@janboehm
Ich bin für Neuwahlen.
Translated from German by
I am for new elections

Jan Böhmermann 🤨 Retweeted
Ulrich Speck
@ulrichspeck
Nichts Neues, nur ein weitere Rechtfertigung des Unwillens, nichts Wesentliches zu tun -- die bekannten Sätze, die Scholz seit Wochen vorbringt.

Nothing new, just another justification for the unwillingness to do nothing significant -- the well-known sentences that Scholz has been putting forward for weeks

Russia has Scholz in the bag. There is no other way to explain this mess.


Jan Böhmermann 🤨
@janboehm
"Es darf keine Alleingänge geben" ist der deutsche Ausdruck für "Ihr macht bitte was wir wollen: gar nix".

"There must be no going it alone" is the German expression for "Please do what we want: nothing at all

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 07:14 PM
The German army doesn't possess the military equipment that the UK is sending Ukraine, so how can it be expected to supply similar to Ukraine.

You do realise that Jan Böhmermann is a satrical comedian?

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/support-ukraine-2004148

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland-waffenlieferung-ukraine-krieg-russland-100.html

And again, Germany's constitution that had to be approved by the occupying Western Allies doesn't allow them to send weapons to a war zone. Asking Germany to supply weapons to a war zone is akin to asking Americans to give up theirs, it ain't gonna happen overnight. If Germany's hands are tied then the Western Allies including the UK have to take at least partial responsibility for that fact.

Germany has sent weapons, sent anti tanks and riffles weeks ago, so that doesn't make sense. Japan had the same but ripped it up after bucha and no allies complained

Hibrandenburg
19-04-2022, 07:20 PM
Yes and political activist. He's been retweeting lots of anti Scholz things to his millions of followers all this tonight

Jan Böhmermann 🤨 Retweeted
Jeremy Cliffe
@JeremyCliffe
The mantra "keine Alleingänge" (no going it alone) now seems to be the go-to excuse for Germany's persistent refusal to provide anything resembling the leadership and impetus required of it as the continent's largest economy and anchor state

Jan Böhmermann 🤨 Retweeted
Philip Oltermann
@philipoltermann
Scholz, looking unusually tense, gives 15-minute statement to announce... nothing. No news on oil or gas embargo, nor on delivering heavy weapons requested by Ukraine.

Jan Böhmermann 🤨
@janboehm
Ich bin für Neuwahlen.
Translated from German by
I am for new elections

Jan Böhmermann 🤨 Retweeted
Ulrich Speck
@ulrichspeck
Nichts Neues, nur ein weitere Rechtfertigung des Unwillens, nichts Wesentliches zu tun -- die bekannten Sätze, die Scholz seit Wochen vorbringt.

Nothing new, just another justification for the unwillingness to do nothing significant -- the well-known sentences that Scholz has been putting forward for weeks

Russia has Scholz in the bag. There is no other way to explain this mess.


Jan Böhmermann 🤨
@janboehm
"Es darf keine Alleingänge geben" ist der deutsche Ausdruck für "Ihr macht bitte was wir wollen: gar nix".

"There must be no going it alone" is the German expression for "Please do what we want: nothing at all
So rather than accept the fact that Germany is bound by a constitution that was imposed on it by the Western Allies and up until 2 months ago was still expected to uphold, you have decided to take words of a satrical comedian who makes a living from making fun of German politicians as gospel, a man who is Germany's equivalent of Russell Howard.

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 07:29 PM
So rather than accept the fact that Germany is bound by a constitution that was imposed on it by the Western Allies and up until 2 months ago was still expected to uphold, you have decided to take words of a satrical comedian who makes a living from making fun of German politicians as gospel, a man who is Germany's equivalent of Russell Howard.

I put up a politician and two war historians at prominent universities too, you chose him. Germany has sent weapons just a small amount. Germany Hungary and Austria blocked the EU stopping gas. Germany wanted Ukraine to take a 3% gdp hit each year by construction nordstream 2, but won't take an estimated 3% gdp hit to stop the oil.

The whole of Europe is furious at Germany. Your blind loyalty is unusual in this day and age. The tories are **** and need pulled up all the time, unsure why you don't treat your leaders the same

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 07:30 PM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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#UN chief António Guterres called on #Russia and #Ukraine for a four-day Easter truce to organize new humanitarian corridors and deliver aid to those in need

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 07:41 PM
The Bild's politics reporter says everyone in Germany is stunned with Scholz leading Germany in a pro Russian path, well almost everyone

Julian Röpcke🇺🇦
@JulianRoepcke
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3h
Now - seriously - claims Germany “even before the war” tried to get rid of Russian energy imports.
This is hilarious. He was one of the main supporters of #NordStream2 until the start of Russia’s all out war in Ukraine.

Let me tell you that we deliver weapons that can be used via long distances, also in the current battles, have done so in the past and will do so in the future.”
Sorry, but that’s plainly wrong. Or he has no clue about distances in war. We are delivering short range weapons

Extremely arrogant, the
@Bundeskanzler
replies to a German journalist: “Sometimes a look into the world helps. In this case, it leads to the discovery that those, who are in a comparable initial situation like Germany, act like us.”

Yes. Well. No. You are lying again

Germany’s extreme right (AfD) and extreme left (Linke) - both Kremlin minions in the German parliament - are celebrating
@OlafScholz
’s speech.
The rest of the nation is stunned by the pro-Russian course, he leads Germany into.

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 07:42 PM
Paul McLeary
@paulmcleary
NEW:
@PentagonPresSec
said just now Ukraine "have received additional aircraft and the aircraft parts to help them get more more aircraft in the air" recently

Pentagon spokesman continues that the US has helped w/ the "shipment of some additional spare parts that has helped with their aircraft needs, but we have not transported whole aircraft" for Ukraine

Phillips P. OBrien
@PhillipsPOBrien
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2m
Well this is easily the most interesting news of the day, if the speaker is referring to fixed wing aircraft. Hard to imagine what that would be other than the MiGs. Hopeful indeed

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 07:43 PM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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9m
In the last 24 hours #AFU repulsed 10 attacks of occupiers in #Donbass

Twelve tanks, one artillery system, 28 armored vehicles, a Su-34 aircraft, a Ka-52 helicopter, four UAVs and one cruise missile were destroyed

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 07:44 PM
Glasnost Gone
@GlasnostGone
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1h
Utterly crazy: #Twitter's suspended the
@ArmedForcesUkr
account. With a massive following, literally all it did was post videos & images detailing Russia's barbaric invasion of #Ukraine & how #Ukrainian forces were fighting. How can you get suspended for that
@TwitterSupport
?

Hibrandenburg
19-04-2022, 07:53 PM
I put up a politician and two war historians at prominent universities too, you chose him. Germany has sent weapons just a small amount. Germany Hungary and Austria blocked the EU stopping gas. Germany wanted Ukraine to take a 3% gdp hit each year by construction nordstream 2, but won't take an estimated 3% gdp hit to stop the oil.

The whole of Europe is furious at Germany. Your blind loyalty is unusual in this day and age. The tories are **** and need pulled up all the time, unsure why you don't treat your leaders the same

If blind loyalty is offering an alternative argumentation to yours, then guilty as charged. I just find the simplified criticism of Germany partially unfair considering the restrictions they've had (rightly) imposed on them for the last 70+ years.

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 08:07 PM
If blind loyalty is offering an alternative argumentation to yours, then guilty as charged. I just find the simplified criticism of Germany partially unfair considering the restrictions they've had (rightly) imposed on them for the last 70+ years.

Not just me pretty much everyone, even spd mps tonight

Michael Roth MdB 🇪🇺🇺🇦
@MiRo_SPD

Let's face the truth: since 24 Feb Germany's standing and reputation took an enormous hit in Ukraine. The perception of 🇩🇪 is now on par with Hungary as one of the countries that are blocking the really hard-hitting energy sanctions and arms deliveries

Can this be salvaged? I really don't know. But each day of insufficient action (missing of heavy arms, no embargo) makes the rift bigger and irreparable for generations to come. Germany doesn't show leadership, as it's expected to do - the leaders are Poland, Estonia etc

I see so many debates in 🇩🇪 media about 🇺🇦 ambassador, 🇩🇪 President - it feels suffocating when Ukraine needs concrete ACTIONS. We can't get bogged down in petty bickering when so much is at stake

In this urgent moment politics should not be about individual politicians but a policy for addressing the biggest threat to Europe since WW2 with swift and focused action. This would be leadership for Europe

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 08:43 PM
Jack Detsch
@JackDetsch
NEW: Zelensky claims Ukraine would have defeated Russia by now if West had granted all 🇺🇦 weapons requests.

“We would have restored peace and liberated our territory,” Zelensky said. “Because the superiority of the Ukrainian military in tactics and wisdom is quite obvious

“If we had access to all the weapons we need, which our partners have and which are comparable to the weapons used by Russia, we would have ended this war,” Zelensky said

Zelensky’s frustration with the West has become more palpable

“When some leaders ask me what weapons I need, I need a moment to calm myself, because I already told them the week before. It’s Groundhog Day,” Zelensky told

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 09:01 PM
Russian denazification continues, killing the second Holocaust surviver.

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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8m
BREAKING:

Ukraine’s Jewish community has announced that the 91-year-old Holocaust survivor Vanda Obiedkova perished while sheltering in a Mariupol basement.

As she lay dying, freezing and pleading for water, she wanted to know only one thing: “Why is this happening?”

Her daughter Larissa says “mom didn’t deserve to die like this”.

She buried her mom in a nearby park on April 4th but didn’t want to let the world know about her death until the family had managed to evacuate safely from Mariupol

https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/5495941/jewish/91-year-old-Holocaust-Survivor-Perishes-in-Mariupol-Basement.htm

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 09:05 PM
Ilya Matveev
@IlyaMatveev_
Rare glimpses of honesty from senior Russian officials. (Another 🧵 on sanctions.)

Elvira Nabiullina, head of the Central Bank: logistical blockade hurts even more than financial sanctions. Supply chains are broken

Inventories will run out very soon and inflation will soar.

Sergei Sobyanin, mayor of Moscow: 200,000 people are at risk of losing jobs in Moscow alone.

Andrei Belousov, deputy prime minister [this one wasn't reported in the West, but it's crucial]: economic stimulus to fight the crisis without risking further inflation is limited to 7-8 trln rubles and the government has already reached this limit

Thus there's not much room to further stimulate the economy financially

Overall: economic sanctions are very effective at disrupting the Russian economy. Whether they can weaken the war machine is another matter. There are two factors: 1) overall military budget, 2) dependence on imports in the military-industrial complex

Regarding the first factor: I don't think anything short of complete energy embargo can reduce military spending, and even that might not completely do it.

Second factor is trickier, however. Military production is very opaque and no one will disclose import dependency there, obviously, but there is some indirect evidence

E.g. Dmitry Rogozin, then deputy prime minister, admitted in 2014 that 640 Russian military products require components from NATO and EU countries

There were plans to substitute most of these imports by 2018, but, knowing the general ineptitude of Russian economic policy, I seriously doubt that this goal was reached

Bottom line: logistical and other export-oriented sanctions likely disrupt supply chains in the military industry and therefore should stay

Ozyhibby
19-04-2022, 09:25 PM
If blind loyalty is offering an alternative argumentation to yours, then guilty as charged. I just find the simplified criticism of Germany partially unfair considering the restrictions they've had (rightly) imposed on them for the last 70+ years.

While I recognise Germany is starting from a very different place, they need to recognise the world is moving quickly now and it very much looks like they are picking the wrong side. Their constant lecturing of other nations over the last decade or so looks pathetic considering their current inaction.
You can keep defending them all you like but they are 100% getting this wrong. This is not the time for excuses.


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Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 10:12 PM
They seem to be fooled by him, maybe they will take him off us, we'll even pay

UKRAINE has named a street in Boris Johnson’s honour.

Officials have hailed the PM a hero for leading the charge with weapons and sanctions to beat Russia.

The council in Fontanka, on the outskirts of Odesa, issued an order to rename Mayakovsky Street as "Boris Johnson Street" instead

It states: “The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is one of the most principled opponents of the Russian invasion, a leader in sanctions on Russia and defence support for Ukraine.

“Rename Mayakovsky Street to Boris Johnson Street.”

The news was announced online by a council official who said: “We have new heroes

The road was initially named after Vladimir Mayakovsky, a famous Soviet poet and playwright.

Britain is sending Stormer light tanks with Starstreak anti-aircraft batteries mounted on their backs to help blitz Russian jets and choppers in the looming Battle for Donbas.

The UK has already shippoed out thousands of NLAW anti-tank missiles and shoulder launched anti-aircraft missiles.

Hi-tech anti-ship missiles and 120 armoured vehicles are also on their way

Stairway 2 7
19-04-2022, 10:12 PM
Phil Stewart
@phildstewart
(Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to announce within the coming days another military aid package for Ukraine about the same size as the $800 million one announced last week, multiple sources familiar with the decision said on Tuesday

Hibrandenburg
20-04-2022, 04:26 AM
While I recognise Germany is starting from a very different place, they need to recognise the world is moving quickly now and it very much looks like they are picking the wrong side. Their constant lecturing of other nations over the last decade or so looks pathetic considering their current inaction.
You can keep defending them all you like but they are 100% getting this wrong. This is not the time for excuses.


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To suggest that Germany are on Russia's side is ludicrous and Putin has spent a lot of money and time on creating exactly this kind of division. It's no coincidence that this kind of rhetoric is being repeated by the likes of Le Penn, the AfD, Poland's right wing government and other anti-EU sources like the right wing British press, paradoxically some of them are even suggesting the west should stop supporting Ukraine. No good will come of forcing Germany to reject its non aggressive stance in its constitution, that would lead to internal political turmoil and play into the hands of the likes of the AfD and Vladimir Putin.

Stairway 2 7
20-04-2022, 06:14 AM
To suggest that Germany are on Russia's side is ludicrous and Putin has spent a lot of money and time on creating exactly this kind of division. It's no coincidence that this kind of rhetoric is being repeated by the likes of Le Penn, the AfD, Poland's right wing government and other anti-EU sources like the right wing British press, paradoxically some of them are even suggesting the west should stop supporting Ukraine. No good will come of forcing Germany to reject its non aggressive stance in its constitution, that would lead to internal political turmoil and play into the hands of the likes of the AfD and Vladimir Putin.

Sweeden, Switzerland, Romania and Japan to name a few had almost centuries old non aggressive pacts. They all recalled parliament and ripped them up to stop the genocide. But most of all that is a ridiculous excuse as Germany has sent lots of deadly weapons to russia, so it doesn't make sense.

I don't think I've seen anything in the British press about this. I linked a left wing professor from St Andrews, a German war a strategy professor, a socialist Italian, a German Die Bild political reporter and an SPD MP. Even Baerbock the foreign minister for the greens, said this is not time for excuses they need heavy weapons. The only people I've seen defending it is the far right afd.

Spd has a big problem with Russia. Close friend of Putin Gerhard Schröder is still a member and still has a place on the roseneft board and other German Russian oil interests

Thomas C. Theiner
@noclador
·
9h
The European parliament had a vote to take russian propaganda TV channels off air.

Below are the votes of Germany's MEPs. The only German party voting AGAINST this was
@OlafScholz
's
@spdde
.

Even the kremlin-aligned AfD and Linke didn't vote as kremlin-servile as the SPD

25804

Russian German reporter
Sergej Sumlenny
@sumlenny

I said it - and I'll say it again. The #SPD is a greater danger to our democracy than the #AfD or the #Linke . ( although the latter two are already clearly anti-democratic and dangerous)

Stairway 2 7
20-04-2022, 06:15 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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51m
#Russian troops shelled the towns of #Novodruzhevsk and #Gorny, says the head of the #Luhansk regional military administration Sergiy Haidai.

After midnight, the military opened fire on residential houses as well as on the gas pipeline. Now there is no gas in the city

Stairway 2 7
20-04-2022, 06:18 AM
Jack Detsch
@JackDetsch
The Ukrainians appear to have a partner for new fighter jets, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said today without naming the country involved in the transfer.

So it's still not clear whether that will be Poland – which floated a transfer through US custody before – or Slovakia

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220420-ukraine-receives-fighter-planes-parts-to-bolster-air-force-pentagon

Ukraine receives fighter planes, parts to bolster air force: Pentagon

Stairway 2 7
20-04-2022, 06:19 AM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

#AeroVironment donates more than 100 Quantix Recon unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) and operational training services to the Ministry of Defence of #Ukraine and territorial forces. The donation is independent of other systems already being provided by the US Government

Stairway 2 7
20-04-2022, 06:20 AM
Osinttechnical
KIRBY: [🇺🇦] right now have available to them more fixed-wing fighter aircraft than they did two weeks ago. And that's not by accident, that's because other nations who have experience with those kinds of aircraft have been able to help them get more aircraft up and running

Q: And you said earlier that the Ukrainians have now more fighter aircraft than they had two weeks ago. Can you give us...

MR. KIRBY: More operable fighter aircraft than they had two weeks ago.

Q: So can you give us an idea of – did they receive more? And an idea of how many? Dozens?

MR. KIRBY: I would just say without getting into what other nations are providing that they have received additional platforms and parts to be able to increase their fleet size

KIRBY: Platform is an airplane in this case. They have received additional aircraft and aircraft parts to help them, you know, get more aircraft in the air. Yes.

Stairway 2 7
20-04-2022, 07:10 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportico.com/leagues/tennis/2022/wimbledon-ban-russian-tennis-1234673336/amp/

Russian tennis players will be barred from competing at Wimbledon in June, a decision that will prevent current world No. 2 Daniil Medvedev from playing in the season’s third Grand Slam

PeeJay
20-04-2022, 07:47 AM
While I recognise Germany is starting from a very different place, they need to recognise the world is moving quickly now and it very much looks like they are picking the wrong side. Their constant lecturing of other nations over the last decade or so looks pathetic considering their current inaction.
You can keep defending them all you like but they are 100% getting this wrong. This is not the time for excuses.


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This is utter nonsense. You cannot seriously be suggesting that Germany is on the Russian side!

Stairway 2 7
20-04-2022, 08:02 AM
This is utter nonsense. You cannot seriously be suggesting that Germany is on the Russian side!

It's probably more a case of not using your best ability to stop a genocide, is the wrong side.

Stairway 2 7
20-04-2022, 08:02 AM
Phillips P. OBrien
@PhillipsPOBrien
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32m
Update from Ukrainian armed forces, seems that the big battle of the Donbas announcements of a day and a half ago might be premature and the Russians are still struggling to get enough force into action. Even shelling seems a little less than night before

Here is a pic of the English translation. Seems like a few Russian ground attacks, but nothing like a coordinated mass campaign. Indeed one of the Russian Donbas attacks seems to have ended up with 130 wounded ending up in hospital. Some evidence that they jumped off too early

Ozyhibby
20-04-2022, 08:03 AM
This is utter nonsense. You cannot seriously be suggesting that Germany is on the Russian side!

Maybe my wording was harsh but you surely can’t believe that Germany is doing all it can? Do you really believe that it is doing enough?


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Stairway 2 7
20-04-2022, 08:03 AM
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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44m
Norway will send Mistral SAMs to Ukraine,

"Today, April 20, the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Yermak said in a Telegram that Norway will send to Ukraine about 100 portable anti-aircraft missile systems Mistral