Ukraine

[Glory Lurker]

Most commentators are saying that Blinken is saying it as a deterrent. China's foreign ministry has completely denied it and they said at Munich that they will stay neutral.

I can't see it they have nothing to gain from doing it and everything to lose financially

I get that. It would completely suit China's interests to bog the west down in the war and take Russia in as a dependent client state at the same time.

I hope they're not looking at this think western resolve won't cope with the impact sanctions would have.

[Stairway 2 7]

I get that. It would completely suit China's interests to bog the west down in the war and take Russia in as a dependent client state at the same time.

I hope they're not looking at this think western resolve won't cope with the impact sanctions would have.

I would bet on either way the way the world is going but I think China likes money the same as all other nations. They are heavily dependent on trade even more so than Russia, so hopefully that works for us. I think it's US threatening lightly as China are saying it is

[Glory Lurker]

I would bet on either way the way the world is going but I think China likes money the same as all other nations. They are heavily dependent on trade even more so than Russia, so hopefully that works for us. I think it's US threatening lightly as China are saying it is

There is alway that too. Might as well go with the positive.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m quite confident China will not get involved in Ukraine. The price they would pay is far too high.


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[Ozyhibby]

Lots of chat that Biden is in Kyiv this morning.


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[Bridge hibs]

Lots of chat that Biden is in Kyiv this morning.


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Read that he was going to Poland, brave man going to Kyiv if a new Russian attack is imminent

[Stairway 2 7]

From we'll take Kyiv in 72 hours a year ago to it being safe enough for every major leader to have walked about it, it tells you how Russias conquest of Ukraine has went

[Bridge hibs]

From we'll take Kyiv in 72 hours a year ago to it being safe enough for every major leader to have walked about it, it tells you how Russias conquest of Ukraine has went

Putin due to give his reaction soon, we all know whats going to come out of his mouth. Im probably more concerned now if China get involved in supplying arms to him

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1627623132528779264?s=46&t=DURxUB3iuJ8cVQwOyLVMxg
Wagner boss complains about ammo shortage.


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[Stairway 2 7]

A reminder Japan was a fiercely neutral country 12 months ago

Prime Minister of Japan 🇯🇵 has announced an additional $ 5.5 Billion of financial assistance for Ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

Putin has spent the first 15 minutes of his anniversary speech talking about degenerates, just bile and nonsense

-Look at what they are doing in the West. Pedophilia is becoming the norm, priests are approving same-sex marriages

- The West offers the idea of a gender-neutral God. Forgive them, Lord, they know not what they do

- We have an obligation to protect our children from degradation and degeneration, and we will do so

Putin about the war in #Ukraine:

- We did everything to solve the problem by peaceful means, but another scenario was being prepared behind our backs

- The war began "for the sake of protecting people on our historical lands and eliminating the threat of the neo-Nazi regime"

Putin now accuses the West of conspiring with Nazi Germany in the 1930s, whilst conveniently forgetting to mention the Soviet Union was Hitler's commercial partner and (later ally) for a significant portion of this decade

[Jones28]

US saying China is considering arming Russia and that will have consequences for relationship with the west.

On one hand it's no different to what we're doing. On the other it definitely would put China very much on the wrong side and rachet things up scarily. Got to hope they see sense.

If the same sanctions that were applied to Russia are applied to China the Chinese people will starve. They can’t afford to intervene.

[greenginger]

Putin has spent the first 15 minutes of his anniversary speech talking about degenerates, just bile and nonsense

-Look at what they are doing in the West. Pedophilia is becoming the norm, priests are approving same-sex marriages

- The West offers the idea of a gender-neutral God. Forgive them, Lord, they know not what they do

- We have an obligation to protect our children from degradation and degeneration, and we will do so

Putin about the war in #Ukraine:

- We did everything to solve the problem by peaceful means, but another scenario was being prepared behind our backs

- The war began "for the sake of protecting people on our historical lands and eliminating the threat of the neo-Nazi regime"

Putin now accuses the West of conspiring with Nazi Germany in the 1930s, whilst conveniently forgetting to mention the Soviet Union was Hitler's commercial partner and (later ally) for a significant portion of this decade

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

Russia/ Nazi Germany pact of 1939

[hibsbollah]

Putin has spent the first 15 minutes of his anniversary speech talking about degenerates, just bile and nonsense

-Look at what they are doing in the West. Pedophilia is becoming the norm, priests are approving same-sex marriages

- The West offers the idea of a gender-neutral God. Forgive them, Lord, they know not what they do

- We have an obligation to protect our children from degradation and degeneration, and we will do so

Putin about the war in #Ukraine:

- We did everything to solve the problem by peaceful means, but another scenario was being prepared behind our backs

- The war began "for the sake of protecting people on our historical lands and eliminating the threat of the neo-Nazi regime"

Putin now accuses the West of conspiring with Nazi Germany in the 1930s, whilst conveniently forgetting to mention the Soviet Union was Hitler's commercial partner and (later ally) for a significant portion of this decade

Very good and accurate summary except for the last sentence, which is a really poor historical assessment of the non aggression pact between Nazi Germany and Stalins Russia, presumably to downplay the truth that without Russia (and the US) Hitler would have won WW2. It just reads like the writers trying to make a Xenophobic point here.

We need to be able to say two things can be true at the same time in relation to Russia and differentiate between Putin and the Soviet era. Britain and France were similarly important trading partners of Russia in this period, that’s just a description of the global economy at that time and not a logical blame game exercise. (Of course in the early part of the decade Germany was barely in a position to trade as the whole capitalist system had effectively collapsed, but that’s another story).

[Stairway 2 7]

Very good and accurate summary except for the last sentence, which is a really poor historical assessment of the non aggression pact between Nazi Germany and Stalins Russia, presumably to downplay the truth that without Russia (and the US) Hitler would have won WW2. It just reads like the writers trying to make a Xenophobic point here.

We need to be able to say two things can be true at the same time in relation to Russia and differentiate between Putin and the Soviet era. Britain and France were similarly important trading partners of Russia in this period, that’s just a description of the global economy at that time and not a logical blame game exercise. (Of course in the early part of the decade Germany was barely in a position to trade as the whole capitalist system had effectively collapsed, but that’s another story).

I don't think it's downplaying their contribution to the war, everyone simply knows if Soviets or US hadn't fought then Germany wouldn't have been defeated. Its highlighting that Putin just did what your accusing but towards the west.

He talked about the Soviets admittedly great war efforts then said and remember the west collaborated with the Nazis. That's just daft and lacks self awareness

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wagners-prigozhin-accuses-russian-top-brass-treason-2023-02-21/

Wagner boss accusing defenders minister of treason .


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1627958817433481217?s=46&t=bFg52WzooA1JmGf1nvwkBQ


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wagners-prigozhin-accuses-russian-top-brass-treason-2023-02-21/

Wagner boss accusing defenders minister of treason .


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Wagner will be a worry, they are getting powerful and angry. Private military companies are shocking. I read a book recently about Blackwater and its disgusting, a Private company with bigger military budgets than most countries

[Kato]

I don't think it's downplaying their contribution to the war, everyone simply knows if Soviets or US hadn't fought then Germany wouldn't have been defeated. Its highlighting that Putin just did what your accusing but towards the west.

He talked about the Soviets admittedly great war efforts then said and remember the west collaborated with the Nazis. That's just daft and lacks self awarenessAnother aspect is that the Soviet Union was the only aggressor in WW2 that actually won land and resources as a result of that aggression. All the others were defeated, the USSR were rewarded. That part of their psyche still lives.

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[hibsbollah]

I don't think it's downplaying their contribution to the war, everyone simply knows if Soviets or US hadn't fought then Germany wouldn't have been defeated. Its highlighting that Putin just did what your accusing but towards the west.

He talked about the Soviets admittedly great war efforts then said and remember the west collaborated with the Nazis. That's just daft and lacks self awareness

There’s a few recent academic books on the subject ( McMeekin ) which do indeed suggest that the Russians didn’t save Europe and were in all but name, in fact allies of Hitler even when they were nominally at war, which I think is a ridiculous take but you’re hearing it more and more nowadays. Lot of revisionism round WW2 going on.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m pretty sure the Russians could not have defeated the nazi’s without all the arms provided for them by the Americans.
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[Kato]

I’m pretty sure the Russians could not have defeated the nazi’s without all the arms provided for them by the Americans.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230221/956360780a51afec9c77218ed14859a7.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk..and all the food. Our own Eddie Turnbull was on many of those convoys which had a high casualty rate.

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[LunasBoots]

Putting is dangerous and wants to be known for something in Russia, basically his very own created WW3, his speech today showed he has no plans on backing down, the only way to stop him will be from the inside of his security circle since the Russian public are to scared to do anything.

[hibsbollah]

..and all the food. Our own Eddie Turnbull was on many of those convoys which had a high casualty rate.

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My grandad too. North Sea convoys were vital to the war effort. Many of these one off campaigns were ‘vital to winning the war’. It’s so obvious that the Soviet brutal victory on the Eastern front and their unimaginable total death toll of 25 million in that arena and the Siege of Leningrad was ‘vital to winning the war’. Cracking the codes were ‘vital to winning the war’. Lots of things were. It’s disingenuous to undermine any of the individual actions for historical revisionist reasons or political axe grinding.

[hibsbollah]

Another aspect is that the Soviet Union was the only aggressor in WW2 that actually won land and resources as a result of that aggression. All the others were defeated, the USSR were rewarded. That part of their psyche still lives.

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Japan won territory in the form of islands from China and Korea that werent returned and is still a simmering subject in those countries.

[Rumble de Thump]

Russia launched this war, basing it on a series of outlandish lies. They still can't even bring themselves to acknowledge that they have started a war. The Kremlin has never been interested in peace with Ukraine, and the fact they can't even acknowledge the truth of the situation they have created makes that clear.

[Ryan91]

Russia launched this war, basing it on a series of outlandish lies. They still can't even bring themselves to acknowledge that they have started a war. The Kremlin has never been interested in peace with Ukraine, and the fact they can't even acknowledge the truth of the situation they have created makes that clear.

Why would they bother to acknowledge they started it, they know that most sane and sensible individuals know exactly who started it, and it's far easier to just blame someone else for their problems.

Most Russians older than their mid-to-late 30s will just blindly accept what is said by the State, and Putin's speech is aimed at them, to continue to promote the idea that the West is responsible for everything wrong in Russia.

[Rumble de Thump]

Why would they bother to acknowledge they started it, they know that most sane and sensible individuals know exactly who started it, and it's far easier to just blame someone else for their problems.

Most Russians older than their mid-to-late 30s will just blindly accept what is said by the State, and Putin's speech is aimed at them, to continue to promote the idea that the West is responsible for everything wrong in Russia.

They have chosen to pretend that a war isn't happening, still rolling out the 'special military operation' patter.

[Ozyhibby]

https://cepa.org/article/prigozhin-wagner-accelerate-russia-into-warlordism/

Only a matter of time before these warlords start fighting each other over the spoils in Russia.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Surely no one would want to go against their wishes

Lesia Vasylenko
@lesiavasylenko
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87% Ukrainians support #EU accession and 86% support NATO membership for #Ukraine. New surveys show just how much #putin’s aggression backfired

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1627728854822359044?s=46&t=MRvRyy0TP-zyE3hh9gymBg

Shell production getting ramped up in the US.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1628296809310199808?s=46&t=BOR9sBWY4c0lLwRiwfx4XA

Russians running out of ammo.


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[Kato]

https://cepa.org/article/prigozhin-wagner-accelerate-russia-into-warlordism/

Only a matter of time before these warlords start fighting each other over the spoils in Russia.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSome of the spoiles being the nukes. Yikes.

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[Ozyhibby]

Some of the spoiles being the nukes. Yikes.

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I think the international community might have to literally buy the nukes of these guys.


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[Lendo]

https://cepa.org/article/prigozhin-wagner-accelerate-russia-into-warlordism/

Only a matter of time before these warlords start fighting each other over the spoils in Russia.


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I was reading an article the other day about how nearly all of the remaining Putin loyal oligarchs have started building their own PMCs. Pretty inevitable that there will be internal clashes between them along with the actual Russian military.

[tamig]

Putting is dangerous and wants to be known for something in Russia, basically his very own created WW3, his speech today showed he has no plans on backing down, the only way to stop him will be from the inside of his security circle since the Russian public are to scared to do anything.
How could he be known for creating WW3? Nobody will be left.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1628388386670104583?s=46&t=8_i8bCj68ktWgZbxEreDRw

Grim. Russian losses are huge.


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[LunasBoots]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1628388386670104583?s=46&t=8_i8bCj68ktWgZbxEreDRw

Grim. Russian losses are huge.


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Wouldnt be surprised if Prigoschin is taken out soon by Putin.

[Smartie]

Wouldnt be surprised if Prigoschin is taken out soon by Putin.

That feels sort of inevitable.

You don't tend to say the stuff he does for long without falling out of a window.

Unless Prigozhin manages to get to Putin first somehow.

[Ozyhibby]

That feels sort of inevitable.

You don't tend to say the stuff he does for long without falling out of a window.

Unless Prigozhin manages to get to Putin first somehow.

I would imagine Prigozhin has a significant security apparatus around himself as well.
If he start to withdraw Wagner from Ukraine then that’s when fireworks will begin. I assume money is hitting his bank account weekly from the Russian state but if that stops in any way then things will happen. Same goes for Kadyrov.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-boss-may-seek-replace-putin-coup-attempt-political-analyst-1783110


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[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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Kremlin's attempt to get weapons supplies from China to the army of occupiers has failed

Beijing is not considering sending "lethal" aid to Russia for use in the war in Ukraine, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said at a briefing Wednesday

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.ft.com/content/80002564-33e8-48fb-b734-44810afb7a49?sharetype=blocked

Excellent read


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[grunt]

@LedByDonkeys

Russian Embassy, London

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FppQR8YX0AILime?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bristolhibby]

https://www.ft.com/content/80002564-33e8-48fb-b734-44810afb7a49?sharetype=blocked

Excellent read


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Can you copy and paste the article? It’s behind a paywall.

[Ozyhibby]

Can you copy and paste the article? It’s behind a paywall.

I got to read it this morning but when I went back in to read again it was behind the paywall for me too. I’m not a subscriber.


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[Stairway 2 7]

@LedByDonkeys

Russian Embassy, London

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FppQR8YX0AILime?format=jpg&name=medium

Jeez that must have been some effort to do quickly

[grunt]

Jeez that must have been some effort to do quicklyHere's the video of them doing it

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1628736577454108672?s=20

[Stairway 2 7]

Here's the video of them doing it

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1628736577454108672?s=20

Ha brilliant, cheers for that.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Can you copy and paste the article? It’s behind a paywall.


i think this is the same article from elsewhere


How Putin blundered into Ukraine — then doubled down - Little Rock AR News (https://littlerockarnews.com/how-putin-blundered-into-ukraine-then-doubled-down/)

[Stairway 2 7]

Quite shocking read of the horrors of Mariupol, amazing journalism though

@shaunwalker7
We revisited one of the grimmest chapters of Russia's war - the ruin of Mariupol.

Even after a year of covering this horrible war, some of these stories shocked me to the core when reporting this piece.

Take 20 minutes to read it today if you can

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2023/feb/23/mariupol-the-ruin-of-a-city

[cabbageandribs1875]

aye get thum telt mate :greengrin
Latvian MP swears at Russia in Ukraine protest walkout - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-64752483)



Latvian MP Rihards Kols swore at the Russian delegation at an international security conference over the war in Ukraine.

[judas]

i think this is the same article from elsewhere


How Putin blundered into Ukraine — then doubled down - Little Rock AR News (https://littlerockarnews.com/how-putin-blundered-into-ukraine-then-doubled-down/)

Surely not. It reads terribly. Hard to believe that would appear in the Financial Times.

Consider this passage:

Retaining Lavrov at nighttime was commonplace for Putin, who tended to pay attention his international coverage decision-making amongst a handful of shut confidants, even when it undermined Russia’s diplomatic efforts.

And this:

On this event, the cellphone name made Lavrov one of many only a few individuals who had any information of the plan forward of time. The Kremlin’s senior management all discovered in regards to the invasion solely once they noticed Putin declare a “particular navy operation” on tv that morning.

Utter guff. What on earth is she on about?

[Ozyhibby]

Surely not. It reads terribly. Hard to believe that would appear in the Financial Times.

Consider this passage:

Retaining Lavrov at nighttime was commonplace for Putin, who tended to pay attention his international coverage decision-making amongst a handful of shut confidants, even when it undermined Russia’s diplomatic efforts.

And this:

On this event, the cellphone name made Lavrov one of many only a few individuals who had any information of the plan forward of time. The Kremlin’s senior management all discovered in regards to the invasion solely once they noticed Putin declare a “particular navy operation” on tv that morning.

Utter guff. What on earth is she on about?

That’s not what was in the FT.


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[Smartie]

Surely not. It reads terribly. Hard to believe that would appear in the Financial Times.

Consider this passage:

Retaining Lavrov at nighttime was commonplace for Putin, who tended to pay attention his international coverage decision-making amongst a handful of shut confidants, even when it undermined Russia’s diplomatic efforts.

And this:

On this event, the cellphone name made Lavrov one of many only a few individuals who had any information of the plan forward of time. The Kremlin’s senior management all discovered in regards to the invasion solely once they noticed Putin declare a “particular navy operation” on tv that morning.

Utter guff. What on earth is she on about?

It reads like a clumsy translation from another language.

You can just about make out what they’re trying to say but it’s not easy.

[Stairway 2 7]

Archive.ph is good for going behind paywall, here's the FT article

https://archive.ph/slP1C

[Hibrandenburg]

@LedByDonkeys

Russian Embassy, London

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FppQR8YX0AILime?format=jpg&name=mediumWalked passed this on my way to work this morning, they've parked a burnt out T72 outside the Russian embassy with its cannon pointing at the building.

It's all kicking off here today, I've saw groups of skinheads walking about the centre of town, they didn't look German, maybe Russian as there's supposed to be a counter demonstration to the Pro Ukrainian Stop the War Assembly this evening. Going to stay in work a bit longer and pop round and show my support later.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230224/183ae9a21fc86fd2577e324bf8803ca4.jpg

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[Keith_M]

Must confess to rolling my eyes when I read this in the Guardian.


"Any peace that legitimises Russia’s seizure of land by force will weaken the Charter and send a message to would-be aggressors everywhere that they can invade countries and get away with it."

-- US secretary of state, Antony Blinken



While I agree with the sentiment, I also can't help but see the irony.

[Ozyhibby]

Must confess to rolling my eyes when I read this in the Guardian.


"Any peace that legitimises Russia’s seizure of land by force will weaken the Charter and send a message to would-be aggressors everywhere that they can invade countries and get away with it."

-- US secretary of state, Antony Blinken



While I agree with the sentiment, I also can't help but see the irony.

Putin has used the Iraq war as cover for all his aggression since. It was an absolute disaster in every respect. I’ll never trust the Labour Party again.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Listening to the speeches at the back side of the Brandenburger Gate, enough police here to put down a miners strike.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230224/fab6a701870cc1d1d5946925daeec901.jpg

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[Glory Lurker]

A wee anti-war demonstration at the bottom of Castle Street about teatime tonight.

The Women in Black were there. They are against war anywhere. Difficult to argue with that.

Bulk of the group though was the SSP. Anti NATO stuff was on show. Russian consulate isn't far from Castle Street. Wonder if the hospitality was before or after. Both?

[Stairway 2 7]

A wee anti-war demonstration at the bottom of Castle Street about teatime tonight.

The Women in Black were there. They are against war anywhere. Difficult to argue with that.

Bulk of the group though was the SSP. Anti NATO stuff was on show. Russian consulate isn't far from Castle Street. Wonder if the hospitality was before or after. Both?

Pacifism is good when you can do it from your comfortable life attend a protest, then back for tea .

It's less good when it means your having genocide committed to you and someone from the west is telling you that you should just accept being a Russian now. I like the principle and I'm sure they are kind well meaning people but I think eastern Europe is finished with the westsplaining for good now

[Jones28]

Just seen on Twitter it looks like Bakhmut has two towns left before it is encircled entirely by Russian troops around the satellite towns that surround it.

The numbers of deaths will be staggering for the sake of an inconsequential territory gain.

Bakhmut will be a symbolic “victory” at the cost of 500 or so lives a day for the last 2 months.

Seems more like a Ukrainian victory to me.

[Glory Lurker]

I feel I'm picking up an increase in media comment about Russia's superior numbers meaning it has the ability to go the distance. Latest is Times today reporting on the extent of Ukrainian losses. It's very sobering.

[18Craig75]

Just seen on Twitter it looks like Bakhmut has two towns left before it is encircled entirely by Russian troops around the satellite towns that surround it.

The numbers of deaths will be staggering for the sake of an inconsequential territory gain.

Bakhmut will be a symbolic “victory” at the cost of 500 or so lives a day for the last 2 months.

Seems more like a Ukrainian victory to me.

There was some unconfirmed reports of a counteroffensive north of Bakhmut last night but haven’t seen anything more on it today

[superfurryhibby]

I feel I'm picking up an increase in media comment about Russia's superior numbers meaning it has the ability to go the distance. Latest is Times today reporting on the extent of Ukrainian losses. It's very sobering.

Despite all the bluster on here, I think the Russians were always going to be able to bring that superiority of resource to bear in this war, eventually.

[Stairway 2 7]

Despite all the bluster on here, I think the Russians were always going to be able to bring that superiority of resource to bear in this war, eventually.

You said the same four weeks ago when people were saying Bakhmut was about gone. The fact that the full force of wagner and the Russian marines are taking 8 months after surrounding one insignificant town, shows how the war is going for Russia.

Do you think Russia has some secret equipment waiting in the wings that they are somehow not using? They lost a third of what they took last year, lost over 100k of there soldiers, Kherson by far the biggest city they took. Most say the Russian offensive this year has been poor, but maybe they are just waiting for something?

[Ozyhibby]

Despite all the bluster on here, I think the Russians were always going to be able to bring that superiority of resource to bear in this war, eventually.

Superiority of resources? Do they have a superiority of resources over the west?
They have a population smaller than Poland and Germany combined. An economy smaller than Hollands. What superiority of resources can that possibly produce?
I’m genuinely interested to know how they can have a superiority of resources?

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[Hibs4185]

You said the same four weeks ago when people were saying Bakhmut was about gone. The fact that the full force of wagner and the Russian marines are taking 8 months after surrounding one insignificant town, shows how the war is going for Russia.

Do you think Russia has some secret equipment waiting in the wings that they are somehow not using? They lost a third of what they took last year, lost over 100k of there soldiers, Kherson by far the biggest city they took. Most say the Russian offensive this year has been poor, but maybe they are just waiting for something?

They are holding back their super duper hypersonic buzz lightyear lasers until provoked by the west

[superfurryhibby]

You said the same four weeks ago when people were saying Bakhmut was about gone. The fact that the full force of wagner and the Russian marines are taking 8 months after surrounding one insignificant town, shows how the war is going for Russia.

Do you think Russia has some secret equipment waiting in the wings that they are somehow not using? They lost a third of what they took last year, lost over 100k of there soldiers, Kherson by far the biggest city they took. Most say the Russian offensive this year has been poor, but maybe they are just waiting for something?

You've been telling everyone on here for the past six months that the Russians were on the verge of capitulation. It's not happened, nor will it. The Ukranians have also sustained significant loss of manpower, as well as the destruction of infrastructure. Ukrainian fatalities, will exact a heavy toll on their capacity to sustain resistance.

Finding decent, independent, sources of news seems to be quite difficult.From the BBC, Nov 2022-https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63580372

" The most senior US general estimates that around 100,000 Russian and 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or injured in the war in Ukraine.

Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, also suggested that around 40,000 civilians had died after being caught up in the conflict.

The estimates are the highest offered yet by a Western official.

[superfurryhibby]

Superiority of resources? Do they have a superiority of resources over the west?
They have a population smaller than Poland and Germany combined. An economy smaller than Hollands. What superiority of resources can that possibly produce?
I’m genuinely interested to know how they can have a superiority of resources?

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The Russian economy is around twice the size of that of the Netherlands.

The Russian military capacity absolutely dwarfs that of any other European nation.

Yep, what resources could they possibly bring to bear.

[Stairway 2 7]

You've been telling everyone on here for the past six months that the Russians were on the verge of capitulation. It's not happened, nor will it. The Ukranians have also sustained significant loss of manpower, as well as the destruction of infrastructure. Ukrainian fatalities, will exact a heavy toll on their capacity to sustain resistance.

Finding decent, independent, sources of news seems to be quite difficult.From the BBC, Nov 2022-https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63580372

" The most senior US general estimates that around 100,000 Russian and 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or injured in the war in Ukraine.

Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, also suggested that around 40,000 civilians had died after being caught up in the conflict.

The estimates are the highest offered yet by a Western official.

I've said nothing of the sort, I've said follow people like Phillips OBrien, Mike Martin ect who are the only ones who have consistently been right, Mike Martin in particular who has been scarily accurate. They both say it will be a long war but both believe if the support stays its inevitable Ukraine will win.

I personally gave Ukraine zero chance but am confident now that now they have both more trained soldiers and much better equipment, that they will eventually get their land back. The only thing that will stop them is support going from the allies but that won't be this year.

[Stairway 2 7]

The Russian economy is around twice the size of that of the Netherlands.

The Russian military capacity absolutely dwarfs that of any other European nation.

Yep, what resources could they possibly bring to bear.

Russia isn't fighting the Netherlands. The modern tanks they are getting dwarf in technology anything Russia has and they are coming from about 12 different nations.

Why do you think Russia are keeping resources, I've heard literally no one else say this. Most analysts say Russia is battering through Soviet stockpiles. Do you not think they would have used these resources to keep Kherson on stop them losing 100,000 men?

[Ozyhibby]

Russia isn't fighting the Netherlands. The modern tanks they are getting dwarf in technology anything Russia has and they are coming from about 12 different nations.

Why do you think Russia are keeping resources, I've heard literally no one else say this. Most analysts say Russia is battering through Soviet stockpiles. Do you not think they would have used these resources to keep Kherson on stop them losing 100,000 men?

I think people still equate Russia with the old USSR which had double the population of Russia and was part of a much bigger alliance in the Warsaw pact. That was a formidable foe but that was over thirty years ago. Most of the Warsaw Pact are in NATO now. Russia’s population is falling and also a lot older now. They have nowhere near the same capacity to fight. Their arms productions is nowhere near enough to keep up with what they have been using in a Ukraine and it’s already showing in massive shortages. There has been no modernisation in its armed forces training or equipment. The are trying to fight Ukraine with old wwII equipment. Ukraine is rapidly rearming with NATO standard kit and the difference is already showing. Last year they mounted to massive counter offensives and they were both massively successful. One in Kharkiv and one in Kherson. Both resulted in the return of huge amounts of territory. This Spring they will go again and I expect similar results. I haven’t seen anything from Russia to suggest they will fair any better this time around.


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[superfurryhibby]

Russia isn't fighting the Netherlands. The modern tanks they are getting dwarf in technology anything Russia has and they are coming from about 12 different nations.

Why do you think Russia are keeping resources, I've heard literally no one else say this. Most analysts say Russia is battering through Soviet stockpiles. Do you not think they would have used these resources to keep Kherson on stop them losing 100,000 men?

I think you need to stop and read the comment I responded to, which frankly, was a bit odd and as it happens total nonsense.

[McSwanky]

Superiority of resources? Do they have a superiority of resources over the west?
They have a population smaller than Poland and Germany combined. An economy smaller than Hollands. What superiority of resources can that possibly produce?
I’m genuinely interested to know how they can have a superiority of resources?

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I get your points, but neither of your 'size' facts above appear to be true. The Russian economy is not smaller than that of the Netherlands, and their population is a good 25% higher than Germany and Poland combined.

The points you make are valid, but when backed up with erroneous facts, it doesn't really move the conversation on.

[Glory Lurker]

My worry is that Ukraine will run out of people on the ground to operate the superior weapons. Who does then?

[Smartie]

Are we not splitting hairs?

Russia is very big. Not Soviet Union huge but big enough to have access to a large amount of resource whether that be energy, raw material or manpower, so much so that it needs to be very much respected, taken seriously.

It’s also flawed in a number of ways, so it’s not a massive superpower with endless resource and its resource is undermined by corruption and inefficiency. It’s not a slick operation.

With loads of nuclear weapons.

So when you have a smaller and weaker adversary, one that enjoys the backing of the West and the better weapons technology that goes with that but needs time for the delivery and training of those weapons, and the delays being increased by way of “the West” being a number of different countries and blocs of countries, you get a sort of stalemate.

The sort of stalemate that might be broken by China, one way or the other.

[Ozyhibby]

I get your points, but neither of your 'size' facts above appear to be true. The Russian economy is not smaller than that of the Netherlands, and their population is a good 25% higher than Germany and Poland combined.

The points you make are valid, but when backed up with erroneous facts, it doesn't really move the conversation on.

Apologies, I was in a rush earlier when I typed that.
Russia has a smaller population than Germany and France combined and an economy smaller than Italy’s.
When it comes to supporting Ukraine in the long run, the west can do it for a long time.
And it is showing in Ukraine with all the major changes in the map over the last 6 months favouring Ukraine.


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[Ozyhibby]

My worry is that Ukraine will run out of people on the ground to operate the superior weapons. Who does then?

The Ukrainians don’t seem to see that as a problem.


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[superfurryhibby]

I've said nothing of the sort, I've said follow people like Phillips OBrien, Mike Martin ect who are the only ones who have consistently been right, Mike Martin in particular who has been scarily accurate. They both say it will be a long war but both believe if the support stays its inevitable Ukraine will win.

I personally gave Ukraine zero chance but am confident now that now they have both more trained soldiers and much better equipment, that they will eventually get their land back. The only thing that will stop them is support going from the allies but that won't be this year.


Apologies, I was in a rush earlier when I typed that.
Russia has a smaller population than Germany and France combined and an economy smaller than Italy’s.
When it comes to supporting Ukraine in the long run, the west can do it for a long time.
And it is showing in Ukraine with all the major changes in the map over the last 6 months favouring Ukraine.


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The Russian economy was definitely bigger than that of Italy, pre-war at least.

As for the impact of causalities on Ukraine and it's capacity to sustain the war, you should widen your reading. This factor alone will present a serious obstacle in the coming months.

"Frank Ledwidge: Ukraine is now armed, but the real military test in 2023 is its training

Over the last year, emphasis has been placed upon the provision of equipment: artillery, missile systems, tanks and now jets. This was and is entirely right. In a war of attrition such as this, Ukraine needs to replace and augment worn out, damaged or destroyed equipment with new and better kit. In addition, Ukraine is forming new brigades with which it intends to achieve significant breakthroughs later this year to retake territory.

Ukrainian soldiers have demonstrated that they need no assistance in maintaining their motivation and will to fight. Just as the Russians have shown that even well-equipped troops will be defeated in modern warfare if they lack good morale, leadership and training – qualities they have in short supply.

But superior equipment and morale will only take you so far. Ukraine has taken fearful casualties in the past year. At least 100,000, including in their best and most experienced units. Training is essential, especially for the kind of combined arms mechanised warfare – soldiers, tanks and artillery working in unison – the Ukrainians need to master if they are to defeat Russia.

Western countries are stepping up, with Britain alone aiming to prepare up to 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers a year for combat. But current efforts are insufficient, with perhaps only 10% of Ukrainian forces trained so far. Nato must make training its continuing main effort. This will ensure that Ukraine will be able to unlock the combat potential in its newly equipped brigades, achieve a significant victory this year, and defend itself into the future"

From Timothy Garton-Ash

"Having just spent a week in Kyiv, it’s very clear to me that this spring and summer will potentially be make-or-break time for Ukrainian victory. At the moment, Russia still has the strategic initiative in the east, while Ukraine is running dangerously low on ammunition for its post-Soviet weaponry.

But a planned Ukrainian counteroffensive this spring, using new brigades equipped and trained in the west, could turn the tide. If the Ukrainian armed forces manage to push south from the Zaporizhzhia region to the Sea of Azov, they could split the Russian occupying forces in two and potentially threaten Crimea. There is obviously a higher risk associated with that course, but also a bigger opportunity for getting to peace. This, and not a long grinding war in the east, is the best chance for Ukraine to put itself in a position to negotiate from strength.

It's a grim picture and there is no end in sight

The reality is a bit more complicated than posts on here suggest.

[Rumble de Thump]

Were you not able to find anything about Russian casualties and poor quality of training in your wide reading?

[Stairway 2 7]

My worry is that Ukraine will run out of people on the ground to operate the superior weapons. Who does then?

Ukraine has spent the last 10 years at war. What the did smartly was rotated regularly who thought at the front in Donbas. It's estimated 300,000 have seen some combat there and 1 million have completed national service. There's about 90,000 Ukrainians getting trained this year from nato nations. One thing they won't run out of is men.

Pretty much all the experts and historians said Russia would win in a week. Military generals like Mark Hertling and Mick Ryan who had seen both armies and not just from a classroom said Ukraine will inevitably get their land back. They are still saying it. They say wars are won on logistics and Russia with sanctions can't match the combined west. Look at the army and wagner both saying they can't advance at all due to lack of artillery shells

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/20/ukraine-military-strategy-adaptation-victory/
Why Ukraine will win the war
By Mark Hertling

[superfurryhibby]

Were you not able to find anything about Russian casualties and poor quality of training in your wide reading?

If you could be bothered paying attention, I quoted that about an hour earlier than your comment.

It's like seldom is heard a discouraging word on here.

Believe.

[Glory Lurker]

Ukraine has spent the last 10 years at war. What the did smartly was rotated regularly who thought at the front in Donbas. It's estimated 300,000 have seen some combat there and 1 million have completed national service. There's about 90,000 Ukrainians getting trained this year from nato nations. One thing they won't run out of is men.

Pretty much all the experts and historians said Russia would win in a week. Military generals like Mark Hertling and Mick Ryan who had seen both armies and not just from a classroom said Ukraine will inevitably get their land back. They are still saying it. They say wars are won on logistics and Russia with sanctions can't match the combined west. Look at the army and wagner both saying they can't advance at all due to lack of artillery shells

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/20/ukraine-military-strategy-adaptation-victory/
Why Ukraine will win the war
By Mark Hertling

Okay. I'll take a more positive view for now.

[Stairway 2 7]

Okay. I'll take a more positive view for now.

Bigger threat is the US elections next year, wouldn't trust trump not to support Putin. Americans are ramping up shell production to supply Ukraine , can see that maybe stopping with the Republicans. Ukraine might need to do alot of what they are going to do this year

[Glory Lurker]

Bigger threat is the US elections next year, wouldn't trust trump not to support Putin. Americans are ramping up shell production to supply Ukraine , can see that maybe stopping with the Republicans. Ukraine might need to do alot of what they are going to do this year

Bloody hell, that's me on a downer again. Cheers!

:-)

[hibsbollah]

Storyville, Inside Russia Heroes and Villains on the iPlayer. Incredibly moving.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1630913565073764359?s=46&t=I2NQgyX6KgMg6UVlcqFRYg


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1630913565073764359?s=46&t=I2NQgyX6KgMg6UVlcqFRYg


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My first thought after seeing that was that it's a Tankies equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot. I can't shake the feeling they've inflicted the damage to their tank and are now making up some kind of story.

[Smartie]

Something's going on.

What appears to be a strange fake news campaign is being unleashed by Russia, suggestive of a "false flag" operation in Bryansk.

Putin has now called an emergency national security meeting.

Hmmmmm.

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1631242724581023744?cxt=HHwWgIC90bCnq6MtAAAA

[Stairway 2 7]

Something's going on.

What appears to be a strange fake news campaign being unleashed by Russia, suggestive of a "false flag" operation in Bryansk.

Putin has now called an emergency national security meeting.

Hmmmmm.

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1631242724581023744?cxt=HHwWgIC90bCnq6MtAAAA
Looks like it was a group of Russian volunteers of the Ukrainian army. Went inside Russia and basically did recon and took videos. Laughably Russia is calling it an invasion of its sovereign territory

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1631224121173458944

[Hibrandenburg]

Looks like it was a group of Russian volunteers of the Ukrainian army. Went inside Russia and basically did recon and took videos. Laughably Russia is calling it an invasion of its sovereign territory

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1631224121173458944

Invasion of their sovereign territory by citizens of a country they claim is their sovereign territory. :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/02/russia-run-out-of-money-oleg-deripaska

Russia running out of money.


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[Onceinawhile]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/02/russia-run-out-of-money-oleg-deripaska

Russia running out of money.


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Someone is going to fall out a window shortly.

[Ozyhibby]

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/01/how-ukraine-learned-to-fight/

Good article on how Ukraine modernised it military.


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[18Craig75]

Seems inevitable that Bakhmut will fall soon. The Russians must have used up some amount of men and equipment to take it. I think the Ukrainians will be fairly content at having held it for so long.

I do wonder what would stop them just retreating then blowing the place to bits once occupied by Wagner & Russians. Possibly because some civilians are still there. Up to 4K apparently; how anyone could still live there having seen the images is beyond belief.

[Stairway 2 7]

Seems inevitable that Bakhmut will fall soon. The Russians must have used up some amount of men and equipment to take it. I think the Ukrainians will be fairly content at having held it for so long.

I do wonder what would stop them just retreating then blowing the place to bits once occupied by Wagner & Russians. Possibly because some civilians are still there. Up to 4K apparently; how anyone could still live there having seen the images is beyond belief.

Ukraine is at a disadvantage that it won't kill civilians deliberately.

Yes I watched a drone flight and it's unbelievable people still live there. Its basically rubble with most houses at least partially destroyed. Being without running water and electricity during winter will be hell.

[Jones28]

Bakhmut looks like it's hanging on by a thread. A tactical withdrawal will be the best outcome for the troops and hopefully the Russians bypass it and leave the civilians who have stayed alone.

It will be a "victory" for Russia but they've lost so many men trying to take the town that nobody really wins here.

In the same breath I've just videos of Georgian volunteers in Bakhmut fighting the Russians so who ****ing knows.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1631757616182427648?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Why Ukraine are fighting so hard in Bakhmut.


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[BS44]

Seems inevitable that Bakhmut will fall soon. The Russians must have used up some amount of men and equipment to take it. I think the Ukrainians will be fairly content at having held it for so long.

I do wonder what would stop them just retreating then blowing the place to bits once occupied by Wagner & Russians. Possibly because some civilians are still there. Up to 4K apparently; how anyone could still live there having seen the images is beyond belief.

According to the Ukrainian soldier in this video (7 minutes) anyone who has remained are waiting for the Russians to come, and they then move over to Russian held area in Bakhmut.


https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1631757166217424900

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1631446074547159040?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/24/russia-ukraine-war-oral-history-00083757
This is worth a read on the build up to the war.


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[Lendo]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/24/russia-ukraine-war-oral-history-00083757
This is worth a read on the build up to the war.


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Just read every word of that. Superb summary

[LunasBoots]

Seems inevitable that Bakhmut will fall soon. The Russians must have used up some amount of men and equipment to take it. I think the Ukrainians will be fairly content at having held it for so long.

I do wonder what would stop them just retreating then blowing the place to bits once occupied by Wagner & Russians. Possibly because some civilians are still there. Up to 4K apparently; how anyone could still live there having seen the images is beyond belief.

More important battles to win, most who remain there are of the Russian identity persuasion

[Stairway 2 7]

Wow sure they will be happy of their liberation as the caption says it looks like the images post Hiroshima

https://mobile.twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status/1632061102866460672

GlasnostGone
Take a look. Take a long hard look. It's not a computer game. It's not Hiroshima after the nuclear explosion.

It's the town of Maryinka, in #Ukraine's Donetsk region. This is Russia's "liberation" of the Donbas. This is Russian genocide in Europe

[Bridge hibs]

Wow sure they will be happy of their liberation as the caption says it looks like the images post Hiroshima

https://mobile.twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status/1632061102866460672

GlasnostGone
Take a look. Take a long hard look. It's not a computer game. It's not Hiroshima after the nuclear explosion.

It's the town of Maryinka, in #Ukraine's Donetsk region. This is Russia's "liberation" of the Donbas. This is Russian genocide in Europe
Saw a clip on BBC news this morning some Russian general or ambassador visiting India and he mentioned something about Ukraine invading our land and the audience burst out laughing, his face was a picture 🤣

[Lendo]

Saw a clip on BBC news this morning some Russian general or ambassador visiting India and he mentioned something about Ukraine invading our land and the audience burst out laughing, his face was a picture 🤣

Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov. I think we was generally quite real regarded as a politician and diplomat up until the war. Now he’s just a propaganda mouth piece. Probably more concerned about having himself thrown out of a window if he doesn’t play the game.

[judas]

Saw a clip on BBC news this morning some Russian general or ambassador visiting India and he mentioned something about Ukraine invading our land and the audience burst out laughing, his face was a picture 🤣

This:

https://youtu.be/NGizGLceM-I

[judas]

This fascinating. An interactive map showing the stance of every country in each of the UNs Emergency Sessions. A few surprises in there. Myanmar anti Russian on all ES’s?! It really does show how isolated Russia is. The challenge for the West is to bring in some of the abstainers:

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/2/16/mapping-where-every-country-stands-on-the-russia-ukraine-war

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1742289/Vladimir-Putin-Ramzan-Kadyrov-seriously-ill-poisoning

Kadyrov poisoned?


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[superfurryhibby]

Lavrov discusses some of the catalysts for invasion and clearly places some responsibility on Nato and it’s aggressive expansionism.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nihwViCcUW4

[Just Alf]

Lavrov discusses some of the catalysts for invasion and clearly places some responsibility on Nato and it’s aggressive expansionism.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nihwViCcUW4Hang on... is this not the same event where he's just been laughed at by the audience for stating Ukraine invaded Russia?


As an aside... NATO is mutual self defence pact... if every country, including Russia, joined we'd pretty much see the end of wars between different countries.
Surely the only countries worried about it are those that see armed expansion in their future?
I'm sure the Iraq war was only American and UK involvement because NATO didn't totally agree? (Am I misremembering?)

[Ozyhibby]

Lavrov discusses some of the catalysts for invasion and clearly places some responsibility on Nato and it’s aggressive expansionism.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nihwViCcUW4

Aggressive expansionism? NATO doesn’t canvas for members. In fact it’s bloody hard to join.


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[Glory Lurker]

Russia hates NATO on its borders so much it wants to take its borders up against the NATO members on the other side from Ukraine.

[Betty Boop]

Hang on... is this not the same event where he's just been laughed at by the audience for stating Ukraine invaded Russia?


As an aside... NATO is mutual self defence pact... if every country, including Russia, joined we'd pretty much see the end of wars between different countries.
Surely the only countries worried about it are those that see armed expansion in their future?
I'm sure the Iraq war was only American and UK involvement because NATO didn't totally agree? (Am I misremembering?)

Sorry you're wrong to say that only the US an the UK were involved in Iraq, the invasion was US led but Australia, Japan, Poland,Romania, Estonia, El Salvador and of course the UK were all involved.

[Stairway 2 7]

Prigozhin sailing close to the wind with the Russian MOD again

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wagner-boss-appears-issue-veiled-232627769.html

Wagner Boss Appears to Issue Veiled Threat to Kremlin in Ominous Video

[greenlex]

Sorry you're wrong to say that only the US an the UK were involved in Iraq, the invasion was US led but Australia, Japan, Poland,Romania, Estonia, El Salvador and of course the UK were all involved.
Only just incorrect in misremembering Although the coalition included others the US, the UK and Poland the are the only NATO countries on that list at the time of the Iraq invasion. Romania and Estonia only joined NATO the following year after the invasion so to think NATO weren’t all in agreement is possibly nearer the truth.

[judas]

Hang on... is this not the same event where he's just been laughed at by the audience for stating Ukraine invaded Russia?


As an aside... NATO is mutual self defence pact... if every country, including Russia, joined we'd pretty much see the end of wars between different countries.
Surely the only countries worried about it are those that see armed expansion in their future?
I'm sure the Iraq war was only American and UK involvement because NATO didn't totally agree? (Am I misremembering?)

At one point I thought Lavrov may have the audience in his hands and several endorsements seemed to ring out from the audience.

However, the mockery of Lavrov that is being reported appeared to come toward the end of his session.

It looks like there’s some division among Indians.

I don’t think India will break from it’s neutrality any time soon.

It’s worth noting also, that the BBC did not report on the times Lavrov was supported my cheers from the audience. Only those that went against him.

Said it before, our media cannot be trusted for complete impartiality.

[Stairway 2 7]

At one point I thought Lavrov may have the audience in his hands and several endorsements seemed to ring out from the audience.

However, the mockery of Lavrov that is being reported appeared to come toward the end of his session.

It looks like there’s some division among Indians.

I don’t think India will break from it’s neutrality any time soon.

It’s worth noting also, that the BBC did not report on the times Lavrov was supported my cheers from the audience. Only those that went against him.

Said it before, our media cannot be trusted for complete impartiality.

And why should our media amplify a proven propagandist trying to justify a genocide, I bet we never reprinted all of Joseph Goebbels ramblings.

[Smartie]

And why should our media amplify a proven propagandist trying to justify a genocide, I bet we never reprinted all of Joseph Goebbels ramblings.

We laugh at Kremlin propaganda, the controlled media and the Russians who swallow it.

Could the story for an impartial UK national broadcaster here not be that we still have work to do to convince the world that the Russians are indeed the baddies here? And isn't there room for discussion as to why that might be?

I think judas makes some fair points and I thought the same. Our media would have us believe that Lavrov was laughed out of town. The truth upon watching the video was that whilst he ventured into the territory of farce at times, the response from the crowd present was mixed - some seemed supportive of him at times, some scoffing at others.

[Stairway 2 7]

We laugh at Kremlin propaganda, the controlled media and the Russians who swallow it.

Could the story for an impartial UK national broadcaster here not be that we still have work to do to convince the world that the Russians are indeed the baddies here? And isn't there room for discussion as to why that might be?

I think judas makes some fair points and I thought the same. Our media would have us believe that Lavrov was laughed out of town. The truth upon watching the video was that whilst he ventured into the territory of farce at times, the response from the crowd present was mixed - some seemed supportive of him at times, some scoffing at others.

It's a viral clip because it's so ridiculous, him saying Ukraine invaded that's the story. I've seen it reported by DW in Germany and AFP in France, its a funny clip.

Who is and who isnt supporting Ukraine militarily around the world isn't finding time in a morning news round up, why would it

[superfurryhibby]

At one point I thought Lavrov may have the audience in his hands and several endorsements seemed to ring out from the audience.

However, the mockery of Lavrov that is being reported appeared to come toward the end of his session.

It looks like there’s some division among Indians.

I don’t think India will break from it’s neutrality any time soon.

It’s worth noting also, that the BBC did not report on the times Lavrov was supported my cheers from the audience. Only those that went against him.

Said it before, our media cannot be trusted for complete impartiality.

I suspect some people commenting on the video haven't actually watched it. They should, they might learn something (for example Russia's view on Nato expansion). What it does show is that despite scepticism (rightly so) about the cause of the war, the Russians have influence and an audience.

[Stairway 2 7]

I suspect some people commenting on the video haven't actually watched it. They should, they might learn something (for example Russia's view on Nato expansion). What it does show is that despite scepticism (rightly so) about the cause of the war, the Russians have influence and an audience.

Are you seriously using Lavrov as a good source of learning. The man has said homosexuals are corrupt and prone to pedophilia, Russia had no enrollment in shooting down the Malaysian Airlines plane, Bucha was completely faked, AIDS originated in an American lab

An article on some of Lavrovs lies. Almost everyone bar some tankies ignore his vile spoutings thankfully.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/heart-lavrov-darkness-russia-ukraine-war/amp/

[Smartie]

Are you seriously using Lavrov as a good source of learning. The man has said homosexuals are corrupt and prone to pedophilia, Russia had no enrollment in shooting down the Malaysian Airlines plane, Bucha was completely faked, AIDS originated in an American lab

An article on some of Lavrovs lies. Almost everyone bar some tankies ignore his vile spoutings thankfully.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/heart-lavrov-darkness-russia-ukraine-war/amp/

Nobody's defending him or his views.

Some are just pointing out that he wasn't met with overwhelming ridicule when making his points during that particular talk in India. Neither was he met with rapturous applause throughout.

The comments relate to the audience and it's reaction rather than the merits of what Lavrov had to say, which is another matter altogether.

[Stairway 2 7]

Nobody's defending him or his views.

Some are just pointing out that he wasn't met with overwhelming ridicule when making his points during that particular talk in India. Neither was he met with rapturous applause throughout.

The comments relate to the audience and it's reaction rather than the merits of what Lavrov had to say, which is another matter altogether.

But why would the BBC or DW in Germany talk about the rest of his speech. He's been going round the world the last year spouting mince, he's just done a tour of Africa doing the same, that's not news.

If Sunak done a speech tomorrow then fell of the podium the clip would be on the news, you wouldn't say that's unfair what about the rest of the speech. It's been framed as western media being selective its not, the news story was him saying they Russia was invaded, because its pretty funny as is his angry reaction.

There is plenty of more indepth articles about which nations are supporting and which are abstaining

[Smartie]

But why would the BBC or DW in Germany talk about the rest of his speech. He's been going round the world the last year spouting mince, he's just done a tour of Africa doing the same, that's not news.

If Sunak done a speech tomorrow then fell of the podium the clip would be on the news, you wouldn't say that's unfair what about the rest of the speech. It's been framed as western media being selective its not, the news story was him saying they Russia was invaded, because its pretty funny as is his angry reaction.

There is plenty of more indepth articles about which nations are supporting and which are abstaining

They can use it to push whichever narrative they like.

If they want to go with "Lavrov's a clown, he talks pish and gets laughed out of town" then that's their prerogative but that just feels more like Daily Mail false reporting that neutral national broadcaster coverage to me.

It doesn't really help their credibility as a reporting source when you can watch the video and realise that wasn't what happened at all.

I'm no journalist or editor but the interesting angle for me here is that in spite of how much pish he spouts and how appalling the atrocities are that his regime commits, there are still large swathes of the global population who are yet to firmly decide that they aren't on Russia's side in this conflict, for whatever reason.

[superfurryhibby]

Nobody's defending him or his views.

Some are just pointing out that he wasn't met with overwhelming ridicule when making his points during that particular talk in India. Neither was he met with rapturous applause throughout.

The comments relate to the audience and it's reaction rather than the merits of what Lavrov had to say, which is another matter altogether.

That is exactly my point. I'm definitely not trying to debate the merits of his wider beliefs, why would I?

I'm merely highlighting that there was a bit more to that meeting than the response to his utterances on why the war began, it's worth watching.

[Stairway 2 7]

They can use it to push whichever narrative they like.

If they want to go with "Lavrov's a clown, he talks pish and gets laughed out of town" then that's their prerogative but that just feels more like Daily Mail false reporting that neutral national broadcaster coverage to me.

It doesn't really help their credibility as a reporting source when you can watch the video and realise that wasn't what happened at all.

I'm no journalist or editor but the interesting angle for me here is that in spite of how much pish he spouts and how appalling the atrocities are that his regime commits, there are still large swathes of the global population who are yet to firmly decide that they aren't on Russia's side in this conflict, for whatever reason.

No ones pushing a narrative as everyone already knows he's a headcase. Google Lavrov India in the first news pages you'll get the guardian, France 24, Washington Post, Irish Times, news Romania and dozens more all reporting it. No one cares about what he was spouting and where. The news story is a Russian minister says they were invaded by Ukraine

[superfurryhibby]

No ones pushing a narrative as everyone already knows he's a headcase. Google Lavrov India in the first news pages you'll get the guardian, France 24, Washington Post, Irish Times, news Romania and dozens more all reporting it. No one cares about what he was spouting and where. The news story is a Russian minister says they were invaded by Ukraine

Contrary to your assertion, people do care about what he says. That is why he was there and why India, the world's 5th most powerful economy, have maintained close links to Russia.

" The audience did not laugh at everything Lavrov had to say, however. Asked about the “double standard” of western military intervention, the audience applauded his response.

“Have you been interested in these years in what is going on in Iraq, what is going on in Afghanistan? Have you been asking the United States and Nato whether they are certain of what they are doing?” he asked.

The Raisina Dialogue conference comes after a meeting of G20 foreign ministers in Delhi, during which the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, told Lavrov that the US would not back down in its support for Ukraine.

India, which has longstanding economic and military links to Russia, has remained neutral on the topic of the Ukraine war.

It has abstained from voting in UN resolutions condemning Russia’s invasion and has increased its imports of Russian oil after the introduction of western sanctions against Moscow.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/04/russia-sergei-lavrov-ukraine-war-india-conference

[Stairway 2 7]

Contrary to your assertion, people do care about what he says. That is why he was there and why India, the world's 5th most powerful economy, have maintained close links to Russia.

" The audience did not laugh at everything Lavrov had to say, however. Asked about the “double standard” of western military intervention, the audience applauded his response.

“Have you been interested in these years in what is going on in Iraq, what is going on in Afghanistan? Have you been asking the United States and Nato whether they are certain of what they are doing?” he asked.

The Raisina Dialogue conference comes after a meeting of G20 foreign ministers in Delhi, during which the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, told Lavrov that the US would not back down in its support for Ukraine.

India, which has longstanding economic and military links to Russia, has remained neutral on the topic of the Ukraine war.

It has abstained from voting in UN resolutions condemning Russia’s invasion and has increased its imports of Russian oil after the introduction of western sanctions against Moscow.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/04/russia-sergei-lavrov-ukraine-war-india-conference

So are you now trying to say it was reported in a balanced way im lost, bbc has reported on the G20 meetings too as that's why Lavrov is in India. Its obvious why it's went viral because its not often a crowd laughs when someone tries to make a serious point, one that is insane.

There has been loads of great articles on India and China's neutrality and buying of oil and gas ect, there's no cover up.

[Smartie]

So are you now trying to say it was reported in a balanced way im lost, bbc has reported on the G20 meetings too as that's why Lavrov is in India. Its obvious why it's went viral because its not often a crowd laughs when someone tries to make a serious point, one that is insane.

There has been loads of great articles on India and China's neutrality and buying of oil and gas ect, there's no cover up.

I thought that Guardian article was pretty decent (as you might expect).

By all means go with the farcical claim and the resultant guffaws as the headline as that's certainly the juiciest bit but it was reasonable for them to report that it wasn't just a ridicule-fest and that he enjoyed some support from the audience on certain other subjects.

[Stairway 2 7]

I thought that Guardian article was pretty decent (as you might expect).

By all means go with the farcical claim and the resultant guffaws as the headline as that's certainly the juiciest bit but it was reasonable for them to report that it wasn't just a ridicule-fest and that he enjoyed some support from the audience on certain other subjects.

I'm sure Joseph Goebbels went down like a storm on some of his speeches, they would have still reported how stupid it was if he said Poland actually invaded Germany

[superfurryhibby]

I thought that Guardian article was pretty decent (as you might expect).

By all means go with the farcical claim and the resultant guffaws as the headline as that's certainly the juiciest bit but it was reasonable for them to report that it wasn't just a ridicule-fest and that he enjoyed some support from the audience on certain other subjects.

I agree.

The headlines in the Daily Mail refer to hysterical laughter "Putin's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov provokes gales of laughter as he tells audience the West started Ukraine war - as Russia nears victory in battle for besieged city Bakhmut"

It was hardly hysterical laughter.

The Mail don't think people deserve to know the truth, The Guardian report is reasonable and it doesn't hurt us to recognise that the western world view isn't the sole determiner of what other powers think.

[Kato]

I'm sure Joseph Goebbels went down like a storm on some of his speeches, they would have still reported how stupid it was if he said Poland actually invaded GermanyGoebbels did say Poland invaded Germany.

He fabricated a "newsreel" movie of the "invasion" and planted bodies of dead Polish prisoners in German uniforms at the scene. German newspapers reported it all as fact and Germans left cinemas shocked at the entirely fictional Polish aggression.

Weeks later Germany invaded Poland.

Easy for Goebbels as he had complete control of all media.

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[Rumble de Thump]

I agree.

The headlines in the Daily Mail refer to hysterical laughter "Putin's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov provokes gales of laughter as he tells audience the West started Ukraine war - as Russia nears victory in battle for besieged city Bakhmut"

It was hardly hysterical laughter.

The Mail don't think people deserve to know the truth, The Guardian report is reasonable and it doesn't hurt us to recognise that the western world view isn't the sole determiner of what other powers think.

Exactly. Don't forget the Nazis, the Satanic groups and the fact that Ukraine isn't even a real country. Ukrainian people are just Russians who forgot how to obey Russia. They just need to be reprogrammed, starting with the thousands of abducted children. More people would understand all of this if only they would give credence to what Lavrov says.

[Just Alf]

Sorry you're wrong to say that only the US an the UK were involved in Iraq, the invasion was US led but Australia, Japan, Poland,Romania, Estonia, El Salvador and of course the UK were all involved.Cheers.. my memory isn't what it was, I seemed to remember it wasn't fully endorsed.

[hibsbollah]

Exactly. Don't forget the Nazis, the Satanic groups and the fact that Ukraine isn't even a real country. Ukrainian people are just Russians who forgot how to obey Russia. They just need to be reprogrammed, starting with the thousands of abducted children. More people would understand all of this if only they would give credence to what Lavrov says.

Do you agree that there are large parts of the world from where the situation in Ukraine does not look the same way as it does from a Western European viewpoint? I think that’s all the poster was trying to emphasise. The South Africans recently did some pre arranged naval manoeuvres with Russia, with whom they’ve long had economic ties since early ANC government days. Russia is quite favourably looked on in parts of Africa in comparison to us, the French or the Belgians. It might seem outrageous to the West to do this and the SA were criticised by the American government, but the war isn’t on SAs borders, they have a different history of alliances and history and so on, so without understanding that there’s a Southern hemisphere viewpoint for things you get an incomplete picture on why things develop the way they do. Similarly with China, it’s quite simply a far flung conflict on literally the other side of the world and doesn’t pose an existential threat to them. Korea and Taiwan much hotter topics.

[Ozyhibby]

Do you agree that there are large parts of the world from where the situation in Ukraine does not look the same way as it does from a Western European viewpoint? I think that’s all the poster was trying to emphasise. The South Africans recently did some pre arranged naval manoeuvres with Russia, with whom they’ve long had economic ties since early ANC government days. Russia is quite favourably looked on in parts of Africa in comparison to us, the French or the Belgians. It might seem outrageous to the West to do this and the SA were criticised by the American government, but the war isn’t on SAs borders, they have a different history of alliances and history and so on, so without understanding that there’s a Southern hemisphere viewpoint for things you get an incomplete picture on why things develop the way they do. Similarly with China, it’s quite simply a far flung conflict on literally the other side of the world and doesn’t pose an existential threat to them. Korea and Taiwan much hotter topics.

I think it’s obvious that some countries that have no direct involvement find it easy to turn a blind eye. The countries of Europe are united in the approach to dealing with this. And it’s the countries of Europe who have to deal with it because we know that he won’t stop with Ukraine. This isn’t because we hate Russians, it’s because Russia is the aggressor state.
We have tried appeasement since 2008 and it has not worked. We are now directly supporting Ukraine in any way we can. And we have powerful friends in the Americans.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Remarkable story

https://mobile.twitter.com/christinalamb/status/1632291097127862272

@christinalamb
Thousands of Ukrainian children have been tricked or forcibly abducted to Russia in one of the most chilling stories I have reported on. But some brave mums embarked on an astonishing 5000 mile journey behind enemy lines to get their daughters back

[superfurryhibby]

Exactly. Don't forget the Nazis, the Satanic groups and the fact that Ukraine isn't even a real country. Ukrainian people are just Russians who forgot how to obey Russia. They just need to be reprogrammed, starting with the thousands of abducted children. More people would understand all of this if only they would give credence to what Lavrov says.

Bizarre.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm sure Joseph Goebbels went down like a storm on some of his speeches, they would have still reported how stupid it was if he said Poland actually invaded Germany

Germany actually did claim that Poland invaded Germany.

[Hibrandenburg]

I agree.

The headlines in the Daily Mail refer to hysterical laughter "Putin's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov provokes gales of laughter as he tells audience the West started Ukraine war - as Russia nears victory in battle for besieged city Bakhmut"

It was hardly hysterical laughter.

The Mail don't think people deserve to know the truth, The Guardian report is reasonable and it doesn't hurt us to recognise that the western world view isn't the sole determiner of what other powers think.

That's not allowed, you're either for or against, there's no middle ground.

[Stairway 2 7]

That's not allowed, you're either for or against, there's no middle ground.

Surely everyone with any morality is against genocide and also everything Lavrov says. I think most are pretty one sided and biased against the Nazis, Pol Pot and Pinochet regime too

[Stairway 2 7]

Germany actually did claim that Poland invaded Germany.

Didn't know that. I bet the papers at the time reported how absolutely ridiculous that was without having to caveat it

[Kato]

Didn't know that. I bet the papers at the time reported how absolutely ridiculous that was without having to caveat itLook at post #8164, SW.

Most British papers did know the truth. It would be interesting to see their reaction from the time.

The German people fell for that propaganda little knowing what the lies would lead to

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[archie]

Look at post #8164, SW.

Most British papers did know the truth. It would be interesting to see their reaction from the time.

The German people fell for that propaganda little knowing what the lies would lead to

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I think even the Nazis knew there was a risk of pushback if there wasn't a pretext https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/targeting-poland

[Stairway 2 7]

Look at post #8164, SW.

Most British papers did know the truth. It would be interesting to see their reaction from the time.

The German people fell for that propaganda little knowing what the lies would lead to

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Yeah I saw your post it's interesting if not predictable from them, bit like the Reichstag fire. I don't blame the German public then or Russian now, well the ones that don't have access to other information

[Ozyhibby]

Yeah I saw your post it's interesting if not predictable from them, bit like the Reichstag fire. I don't blame the German public then or Russian now, well the ones that don't have access to other information

Both the German and Russian public have to take their share of the blame. The truth is out there, they are choosing to ignore it. A bit like us with climate change.


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[superfurryhibby]

That's not allowed, you're either for or against, there's no middle ground.

It's almost like you can't possibly be totally against Putin and Russia, yet not swallow every line served up to us by our media.

[Stairway 2 7]

Another day Another war crime. Ukrainian soldier captured by Russians last words are slava ukraini, he's then killed in cold blood. He'll be remembered like those of the Russian warship go f y

https://mobile.twitter.com/AllaPoedie/status/1632780635067625472

[Arch Stanton]

Seems inevitable that Bakhmut will fall soon. The Russians must have used up some amount of men and equipment to take it. I think the Ukrainians will be fairly content at having held it for so long.

I do wonder what would stop them just retreating then blowing the place to bits once occupied by Wagner & Russians. Possibly because some civilians are still there. Up to 4K apparently; how anyone could still live there having seen the images is beyond belief.

It's looking to me like Bakhmut will never fall - anytime the Russians make gains they are met with reinforcements to drive them back - Azov battalion anyone? Bit like Ali's rope-a-dope technique.

It seems that, until they have received enough tanks to invade Crimea, Ukraine will remain happy just to pick off Russian assets - including Russian personnel in addition to command centres and ammunition dumps I mean.

[Ozyhibby]

It's looking to me like Bakhmut will never fall - anytime the Russians make gains they are met with reinforcements to drive them back - Azov battalion anyone? Bit like Ali's rope-a-dope technique.

It seems that, until they have received enough tanks to invade Crimea, Ukraine will remain happy just to pick off Russian assets - including Russian personnel in addition to command centres and ammunition dumps I mean.

Need to be careful the cost is not too high.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Need to be careful the cost is not too high.


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Ukraine today said they were killing Russians at the rate of 7 to 1. That's not a good source but the US also saying its around 3/4 to 1. You can see why they want to hold out at those rates.

Problem is its just Russian prisoners and new recruit cannon fodder getting killed on one side and trained Ukrainians on the other

[Arch Stanton]

Ukraine today said they were killing Russians at the rate of 7 to 1. That's not a good source but the US also saying its around 3/4 to 1. You can see why they want to hold out at those rates.

Problem is its just Russian prisoners and new recruit cannon fodder getting killed on one side and trained Ukrainians on the other

Problem indeed. According to reports, the Russians were supposed to have been mounting a very convincing spring offensive - hardly only on the backs of conscripts and criminals.

Plus they have also been losing tanks and artillery wholesale. It's not just as simple as you say I don't think.

[Hibs4185]

Ukraine today said they were killing Russians at the rate of 7 to 1. That's not a good source but the US also saying its around 3/4 to 1. You can see why they want to hold out at those rates.

Problem is its just Russian prisoners and new recruit cannon fodder getting killed on one side and trained Ukrainians on the other

Phillips O’Brien had a very good article on Sunday about a famous american general who was never celebrated because he never won a famous war against the British, although he was defeated, he inflicted such damage on the British each time, it became impossible for the Brits to win.

Thats eh Bakhmut is so important to hold for the Ukrainians.

I can’t help feel though, that every Ukrainian that is killed is an experienced soldier whereas the 3/4/7 Russians are all just cannon fodder and of no real military value.

I think the Ukrainians will shortly be commcencing their own Spring offensive and I think we will see similar results to Kharkiv and Kherson. Fingers crossed

[Stairway 2 7]

Cnn is quoting a NATO official who states intelligence is showing them Russia is losing 5 soldiers to Ukraine's 1.

https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/cnn-russia-lost-5-times-more-soldiers-in-bakhmut-than-ukraine

The institute for the study of war has an interesting look at Bakhmut. Wagner have used most of their prisoners and are moving to their elite

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1632964078124638208

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/formulage/status/1633162811671998480?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Protests in Georgia against their pro Moscow govt.


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[Lendo]

Cnn is quoting a NATO official who states intelligence is showing them Russia is losing 5 soldiers to Ukraine's 1.

https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/cnn-russia-lost-5-times-more-soldiers-in-bakhmut-than-ukraine

The institute for the study of war has an interesting look at Bakhmut. Wagner have used most of their prisoners and are moving to their elite

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1632964078124638208

The more men being shipped home in bodybags (or just never being sent home at all) will only add to the mounting domestic pressure that’s likely building against Putin. Trained soldiers or not, they’ll be someone’s son, husband or brother. Only a matter of time before it all boils over in Russia.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/falling-oil-revenues-and-soaring-war-costs-squeeze-russias-finances-ac514c9c?mod=e2tw

War getting expensive for Russia.


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[archie]

The more men being shipped home in bodybags (or just never being sent home at all) will only add to the mounting domestic pressure that’s likely building against Putin. Trained soldiers or not, they’ll be someone’s son, husband or brother. Only a matter of time before it all boils over in Russia.

I'm less sure about that. It could equally add to rage against the Ukraine.

[hibsbollah]

I'm less sure about that. It could equally add to rage against the Ukraine.

The Storyville episode I mentioned a few days ago is fascinating viewing on this. The dad of the teenager who was killed at the front is never going to turn against Putin, and will argue to his last breath that his death must mean something. Psychologically his sense of the worth of his dead son is intrinsically linked to Russia winning the war. I’m sure this happens in all wars at all times throughout history.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001jdxk

[Bristolhibby]

The Storyville episode I mentioned a few days ago is fascinating viewing on this. The dad of the teenager who was killed at the front is never going to turn against Putin, and will argue to his last breath that his death must mean something. Psychologically his sense of the worth of his dead son is intrinsically linked to Russia winning the war. I’m sure this happens in all wars at all times throughout history.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001jdxk

Just talk to the families of dead servicemen from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Absolutely died for nothing. Years of carnage unleashed by us.

Must be terrible to remember your child and then see nothing has come from their death.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

The parents of dead soldiers were one of the main drivers of Russia not continuing in chechnya at the same level. This time they are being arrested if they speak up

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/russia-mothers-wives-soldiers-ukraine-war-detained/32235532.html

Olga Tsukanova, the leader of the Council of Mothers and Wives of Russian Soldiers, was detained at the airport in the city of Samara on January 22. Tsukanova was on her way to Moscow, where she planned to hand to the Prosecutor-General's Office complaints from around 700 women in connection with what is happening with their sons and husbands who have been sent to fight in Ukraine. Tsukanova was released by police hours later but ordered to return for questioning. She says she may face a charge of discrediting the Russian armed forces

[Stairway 2 7]

Just talk to the families of dead servicemen from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Absolutely died for nothing. Years of carnage unleashed by us.

Must be terrible to remember your child and then see nothing has come from their death.

J

Some of the loudest campaigners for an Iraq enquiry were parents of killed children. As you say it must be devastating knowing they died for an illegal war, although sadly with Iraq their complaints didn't end up coming to much

[Stairway 2 7]

Power to the people. After the people went to the streets Georgia has dropped the Russian like foreign persons bill. Thousands returned to the streets again today for the release of everyone arrested yesterday, the police have announced all will be released without charge tonight

The president has said the will of the people is alignment with NATO and the EU. The centre was filled with EU and Ukraine flags, Georgia's Euromaidan moment?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tendar/status/1633227452385312771

[Ozyhibby]

Power to the people. After the people went to the streets Georgia has dropped the Russian like foreign persons bill. Thousands returned to the streets again today for the release of everyone arrested yesterday, the police have announced all will be released without charge tonight

The president has said the will of the people is alignment with NATO and the EU. The centre was filled with EU and Ukraine flags, Georgia's Euromaidan moment?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tendar/status/1633227452385312771

Love that.[emoji122]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Institute of the study of war estimates Russia offensive this year will end after Bakhmut. They have previously overestimated Russian attacks, they thought they would have gone towards dnipro as they didn't expect Mariupol to take as long to conquer as it did

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1633651044537204736

TheStudyofWar
ISW continues to assess that the #Russian offensive in eastern #Ukraine will shortly culminate if Russian forces capture #Bakhmut, as the Russian military does not have the combat power or reinforcements necessary to exploit a breakthrough near Bakhmut. http://isw.pub/UkrWar030823

#Prigozhin implied on March 8 that the Russian Ministry of Defense used the #Wagner Group to bear the brunt of high-intensity attritional urban warfare in #Bakhmut and may discard the Wagner Group after capturing Bakhmut so conventional Russian units can continue to attack

ISW has observed no indicators that the #Russian military has a capable reserve force to advance beyond #Bakhmut. Most observed Russian units in #Donbas are already engaged in offensive operations, including Russian airborne elements that joined the Russian offensive in

[Stairway 2 7]

Whilst we correctly think the bbc is rigged, the editor of RT wants Tbilisi nuked as unlike Kyiv there isn't religious shrines worth saving

https://mobile.twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1634106471016288256

[Betty Boop]

Institute of the study of war estimates Russia offensive this year will end after Bakhmut. They have previously overestimated Russian attacks, they thought they would have gone towards dnipro as they didn't expect Mariupol to take as long to conquer as it did

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1633651044537204736

TheStudyofWar
ISW continues to assess that the #Russian offensive in eastern #Ukraine will shortly culminate if Russian forces capture #Bakhmut, as the Russian military does not have the combat power or reinforcements necessary to exploit a breakthrough near Bakhmut. http://isw.pub/UkrWar030823

#Prigozhin implied on March 8 that the Russian Ministry of Defense used the #Wagner Group to bear the brunt of high-intensity attritional urban warfare in #Bakhmut and may discard the Wagner Group after capturing Bakhmut so conventional Russian units can continue to attack

ISW has observed no indicators that the #Russian military has a capable reserve force to advance beyond #Bakhmut. Most observed Russian units in #Donbas are already engaged in offensive operations, including Russian airborne elements that joined the Russian offensive in
You seem to believe any old propoganda ? Did you not say Putin was dying about nine months ago? :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

You seem to believe any old propoganda ? Did you not say Putin was dying about nine months ago? :greengrin

No I've continually said he isn't, don't make up stuff it makes you look foolish. By far the most accurate two accounts have been Philip OBrien and Mike Martin, I'll put links at bottom. Most tankies thought Russia would win in weeks. I admit that's close to what I predicted on here, ozyhibby needs credit I think for being the first on here to think Russia wouldn't conquer Ukraine.

The two accounts above and a few more like Mark Hertling aren't journalist but military experts who had no skin in the game. They said as soon as it started Russia aren't the power they were. Mike Martin predicted the taking of Kherson play by play.

The ISW actually overpredicted Russias power last year they thought there would be a Russian push to dnipro late summer. So were they Russian propoganda then, but Ukraine propoganda now? Or is your comment just daft?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThreshedThought

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien

[Stairway 2 7]

Russians threatening Georgians, no way do they want a war on another front


Russia's MFA
Russian government organization
@PMSimferopol


Protests against “foreign agents" bill, erupted in #Tbilisi🇬🇪, result in demands for the resignation of the government. We recommend to the georgian people to recall a similar situation in Ukraine🇺🇦 in 2014 and what it finally led to!
#ThinkTwice

[LunasBoots]

Poland may provide fighter jets in coming weeks.

[18Craig75]

American drone downed over Black Sea by a Russian jet colliding with its propeller after dumping fuel on it and close passing.

[Lendo]

American drone downed over Black Sea by a Russian jet colliding with its propeller after dumping fuel on it and close passing.

All that happens now is that the drone will have an escort of two F-22 going forward.

Assuming it was FORTE10 that crashed. Quite often see it on Flight Radar flying about doing its droney business.

[Lendo]

All that happens now is that the drone will have an escort of two F-22 going forward.

Assuming it was FORTE10 that crashed. Quite often see it on Flight Radar flying about doing its droney business.

26537

Been watching this Turkish Bayraktar all evening buzzing about.

I live a full life….

[Stairway 2 7]

Poland may provide fighter jets in coming weeks.

4 getting sent this weekend a further 20 to be ready in time for the offensive they say

[cabbageandribs1875]

Xi Jinping travelling to Moscow next week, along with the 7.2% increase in their defence budget recently, nice and cosy relationship with dictator Putin :agree:


of course the visit will officially be to help with peace in ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

Xi Jinping travelling to Moscow next week, along with the 7.2% increase in their defence budget recently they're gearing up eh :agree:


of course the visit will officially be to help with peace in ukraine

I can't see it. Russia was able to walk over a land border and Ukraine had pretty crap Soviet weapons originally.

China would have ship or fly the soldiers over 100 miles of ocean. Taiwan has submarines battle ships and the best air defenses per mile in the world. It would be wild and make Russia Ukraine look like a ww1 battle in comparison.

Also the solidarity the world has shown will have frightened China. Their economy is built on exports I can't see them wanting to end.

Hopefully anyway

[archie]

I can't see it. Russia was able to walk over a land border and Ukraine had pretty crap Soviet weapons originally.

China would have ship or fly the soldiers over 100 miles of ocean. Taiwan has submarines battle ships and the best air defenses per mile in the world. It would be wild and make Russia Ukraine look like a ww1 battle in comparison.

Also the solidarity the world has shown will have frightened China. Their economy is built on exports I can't see them wanting to end.

Hopefully anyway

But China will also seek opportunities.

[Stairway 2 7]

Slovakia is sending all 13 of its mig fighter jets to Ukraine. Poland said it will send 24 in time for the offensive. Denmark says it will announce news next week on jets along with other nations after Ramstein meetings

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/slovak-government-send-mig-29-fighter-jets-ukraine-pm-2023-03-17/

[makaveli1875]

Xi Jinping travelling to Moscow next week, along with the 7.2% increase in their defence budget recently, nice and cosy relationship with dictator Putin :agree:


of course the visit will officially be to help with peace in ukraine

Xi Jinping is also a dictator

[WhileTheChief..]

I can't see it. Russia was able to walk over a land border and Ukraine had pretty crap Soviet weapons originally.

China would have ship or fly the soldiers over 100 miles of ocean. Taiwan has submarines battle ships and the best air defenses per mile in the world. It would be wild and make Russia Ukraine look like a ww1 battle in comparison.

Also the solidarity the world has shown will have frightened China. Their economy is built on exports I can't see them wanting to end.

Hopefully anyway

Agree with all of this.

There won't be an invasion of Taiwan.

Worse case scenario i that China will attempt to blockade their shipping routes. The US will then step in, and there will be the danger that ships cross the line, similar to the drone incident yesterday.

China's problems will make Russia's look like a walk in the park. Any conflict with the West will see them plunge back to 3rd world status, much like most of their country still is.

[Stairway 2 7]

Turkey will ratify Finland joining NATO the two leaders say in a joint statement. Hungary confirms the will do the same on March 27th. Huge moment and what an overwhelming majority of Finns want, well you would with a huge border with Russia

[Hibs4185]

Turkey will ratify Finland joining NATO the two leaders say in a joint statement. Hungary confirms the will do the same on March 27th. Huge moment and what an overwhelming majority of Finns want, well you would with a huge border with Russia

Are they still at odds with Sweden joining?

[Stairway 2 7]

Are they still at odds with Sweden joining?

Yep although they are holding talks the week after next. I'm sure a deal will be done once turkey gets a few military equipment deals that it wants.

[Stairway 2 7]

International criminal court in the Hague put out arrest warrant for Putin. There won't be normal relations with Russia until he's gone

https://mobile.twitter.com/IntlCrimCourt/status/1636747023490719745

Int'l Criminal Court
@IntlCrimCourt
#ICC President Judge Piotr Hofmański on recent arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova in the context of the situation in #Ukraine

[Jim44]

[QUOTE=Stairway 2 7;7308976]International criminal court in the Hague put out arrest warrant for Putin. There won't be normal relations with Russia until he's gone

What’s the point? Russia don’t recognise the ICC. Putin is untouchable and the Russian nation will laugh this off. You’re correct in that there can’t ( ever in my opinion ) be normal relations with Russia. Putin’s successor will be made from the same mould or worse so this conflict will never cease. I think a Third World War is inevitable. I wouldn’t fancy Russia’s chances in that scenario and neither would they. God forbid they would ever become trapped in a corner with only desperate measures at their disposal.

[Stairway 2 7]

[QUOTE=Stairway 2 7;7308976]International criminal court in the Hague put out arrest warrant for Putin. There won't be normal relations with Russia until he's gone

What’s the point? Russia don’t recognise the ICC. Putin is untouchable and the Russian nation will laugh this off. You’re correct in that there can’t ( ever in my opinion ) be normal relations with Russia. Putin’s successor will be made from the same mould or worse so this conflict will never cease. I think a Third World War is inevitable. I wouldn’t fancy Russia’s chances in that scenario and neither would they. God forbid they would ever become trapped in a corner with only desperate measures at their disposal.

It's not been put on him to literally arrest him. It means he can't travel to 130 countries the arrest warrant covers. Its a clear sign that as long as they are invading that they aren't a part of the international community it covers.

People have been worried about what Russia would do for over a year now. They don't want themselves and their families to die so I don't think the nuclear option will get triggered. A conventional war with the west ends in Russian defeat in a week so that won't happen either. Red line after red line has been crossed and nothing has happened

[Ozyhibby]

[QUOTE=Jim44;7309078]

It's not been put on him to literally arrest him. It means he can't travel to 130 countries the arrest warrant covers. Its a clear sign that as long as they are invading that they aren't a part of the international community it covers.

People have been worried about what Russia would do for over a year now. They don't want themselves and their families to die so I don't think the nuclear option will get triggered. A conventional war with the west ends in Russian defeat in a week so that won't happen either. Red line after red line has been crossed and nothing has happened

Would be very difficult to lift sanctions while there is a warrant from the ICC as well.


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[WhileTheChief..]

Russia can barely maintain their planes, trains or automobiles. Why do we think they've maintained their nuclear arsenal?

The arrest warrant for the child minister woman should send a signal to every person working for Putin that they could be next.

Putin might be able to laugh the warrant off, not so easy if you're in your 30s working for his regime though. At any point in the future, under a different Russian Gov, you could be handed over to the Hague.

These things matter. When added to the sanctions, life for those working for Putin is getting harder and harder.

[Ozyhibby]

https://iwpr.net/global-voices/putin-warrant-marks-milestone?utm_campaign=UkraineVoices&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=issue32&utm_content=Warrant

Article on what the warrant means in practice terms.


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[Jim44]

https://iwpr.net/global-voices/putin-warrant-marks-milestone?utm_campaign=UkraineVoices&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=issue32&utm_content=Warrant

Article on what the warrant means in practice terms.


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An interesting read and very encouraging for future justice, albeit, possibly, if not probably, in the dim and distant future.

[judas]

Russia can barely maintain their planes, trains or automobiles. Why do we think they've maintained their nuclear arsenal?

The arrest warrant for the child minister woman should send a signal to every person working for Putin that they could be next.

Putin might be able to laugh the warrant off, not so easy if you're in your 30s working for his regime though. At any point in the future, under a different Russian Gov, you could be handed over to the Hague.

These things matter. When added to the sanctions, life for those working for Putin is getting harder and harder.

You don’t understand Russia.

The offenders you refer to will never see justice at home and certainly not by the hand of a foreign power.

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm not claiming to understand Russia, what a needless thing to say. What are you getting at?

I'm just repeating what several articles / interviews have been saying.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/anno1540/status/1637204873010610180?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Turkey working harder now to isolate Russia.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1637532488141529088?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Lendo]

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1637532488141529088?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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Rest In Pieces invaders.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1638158855640174594?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Hibs4185]

Just reading about these depleted uranium shells that Britain are supplying with the challenger 2 tanks. Can’t help but feel
This is a mistake.

Whilst I’m all for supplying Ukraine with everything it needs to win the war, particularly ATCMS and F16’s, I feel sending these uranium shells gives Putin ammunition to ratchet up tensions.

We should just send normal ammunition with the tanks

[Stairway 2 7]

Just reading about these depleted uranium shells that Britain are supplying with the challenger 2 tanks. Can’t help but feel
This is a mistake.

Whilst I’m all for supplying Ukraine with everything it needs to win the war, particularly ATCMS and F16’s, I feel sending these uranium shells gives Putin ammunition to ratchet up tensions.

We should just send normal ammunition with the tanks
Challenger tanks are made with depleted uranium too fwiw


https://mobile.twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1638228125698994177

This isn't a real objection by R. DU isn't a radiological weapon, Russia uses it, the health risks of DU are heavy metals, not radiation, and the whole thing is an intentional deflection based on people hearing the word "uranium" and getting confused by it

Russia will complain, sure, but it's not similar to dirty bomb, russia won't respond as if it were one, and the whole thing is yet another propaganda trick of using phrases used in a technical sense that sound a lot scarier than they are to folks who aren't paying close attention

[Ozyhibby]

Just reading about these depleted uranium shells that Britain are supplying with the challenger 2 tanks. Can’t help but feel
This is a mistake.

Whilst I’m all for supplying Ukraine with everything it needs to win the war, particularly ATCMS and F16’s, I feel sending these uranium shells gives Putin ammunition to ratchet up tensions.

We should just send normal ammunition with the tanks

This is just a really hard metal. It’s not a nuclear shell or anything like that.


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[Ozyhibby]

Just reading about these depleted uranium shells that Britain are supplying with the challenger 2 tanks. Can’t help but feel
This is a mistake.

Whilst I’m all for supplying Ukraine with everything it needs to win the war, particularly ATCMS and F16’s, I feel sending these uranium shells gives Putin ammunition to ratchet up tensions.

We should just send normal ammunition with the tanks

https://twitter.com/mr_anderton_/status/1638165409856737284?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Smartie]

A quick google of “DU Iraq children” would give some results that lead me think I’d rather we weren’t pissing about with that stuff.

[Ozyhibby]

A quick google of “DU Iraq children” would give some results that lead me think I’d rather we weren’t pissing about with that stuff.

I think we all wish we weren’t having to supply any of that stuff but since the Russians have kidnapped thousands of Ukrainian children, the Ukrainians themselves are willing to go for it.


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[judas]

https://twitter.com/mr_anderton_/status/1638165409856737284?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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Nonsense propaganda.

Even the US aren’t sending them, because they know very well the sick consequences still playing out in Iraq.

The move to send such weapons show the emotional detachment of our decision makers, who like their Russian counterparts would score high on the Hare test for psychopathy.

[Stairway 2 7]

Nonsense propaganda.

Even the US aren’t sending them, because they know very well the sick consequences still playing out in Iraq.

The move to send such weapons show the emotional detachment of our decision makers, who like their Russian counterparts would score high on the Hare test for psychopathy.

Russia has been using thousands of these rounds Ukraine are getting hundreds. Tanks are also full of depleted uranium yes we could chose not to send them either but where does it stop. Bullets kill also and mines. Do we just stop sending everything harmful and let Russia have the freedom to use what they want.

The quickest way to end the suffering is to send 10 times what everyone is sending and get Russia out as soon as possible. 17,000 kids have been stolen from Ukraine. Every mile they advance that number goes up.

[Stairway 2 7]

Thread on the Russian Chinese talks. Putin never got his main wish a deal for a Siberian oil gas pipeline to China. The discount China is wanting is too high. Reports are China and India are taking Russian oil at $30 dollar a barrel, with ural price tumbling that's not going to make profitability soon

https://mobile.twitter.com/samagreene/status/1638230854991224857

[Ozyhibby]

Thread on the Russian Chinese talks. Putin never got his main wish a deal for a Siberian oil gas pipeline to China. The discount China is wanting is too high. Reports are China and India are taking Russian oil at $30 dollar a barrel, with ural price tumbling that's not going to make profitability soon

https://mobile.twitter.com/samagreene/status/1638230854991224857

Think it costs $42 to get it out the ground.[emoji51]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Think it costs $42 to get it out the ground.[emoji51]


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We're rightly fuming about the billions lost from brexit here. Surely Russians are apoplectic about the money lost from Russia. They missed out on hundreds of billions from the oil boom last year, with prices now back to 2021. Almost all western industries have pulled out of Russia, a brain drain of hundreds of thousands of young professionals, billions spent on the war itself, hundreds of thousands dead or disabled young men

Russia will be a tiny fraction of what it would have been without thus war. The world cup high must seem like a lifetime away

[Ozyhibby]

We're rightly fuming about the billions lost from brexit here. Surely Russians are apoplectic about the money lost from Russia. They missed out on hundreds of billions from the oil boom last year, with prices now back to 2021. Almost all western industries have pulled out of Russia, a brain drain of hundreds of thousands of young professionals, billions spent on the war itself, hundreds of thousands dead or disabled young men

Russia will be a tiny fraction of what it would have been without thus war. The world cup high must seem like a lifetime away

I think the brain drain part might be a factor. Russians seem willing to believe any old bull crap that they are told. Not the smartest bunch.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1638554183572897793?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Zelensky in Bakhmut today.


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[Ryan91]

I think the brain drain part might be a factor. Russians seem willing to believe any old bull crap that they are told. Not the smartest bunch.


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Think a large part of that is down to the older generation having grown up under the Soviet system where questioning those in charge was considered to be an ill-advised move, so they just decided they'd accept whatever they were told by their Government

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/akoz33/status/1638605551792799745?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Can this be right? Why?


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[Ozyhibby]

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[Lendo]

https://twitter.com/akoz33/status/1638605551792799745?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Can this be right? Why?


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Defection? Seems unlikely

Edit: turns out he was duplicated on the sanctions list. His removal was merely the additional record. He’s still sanctioned.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/22/vladimir-putin-xi-jinping-russia-china?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1679509783


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[Stairway 2 7]

Defection? Seems unlikely

Edit: turns out he was duplicated on the sanctions list. His removal was merely the additional record. He’s still sanctioned.

Boo I was hoping for some John le Carré stuff 😆

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/chriso_wiki/status/1638875859993108481?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Weird knock on effect of the war.[emoji51]


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[Lendo]

Russia now seemingly deploying T-34s, a tank built in the 1940s.

[Stairway 2 7]

Russia now seemingly deploying T-34s, a tank built in the 1940s.

Oryx is the stato/geek that records every military vehicle lost or in battle in Ukraine. He said in January he would reckon they won't bring out t54/55s built in the 50s 2 months later he's recording them

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1638536842936033280

Death traps for whoever is inside. T-34s will surely struggle to move

[Ryan91]

Oryx is the stato/geek that records every military vehicle lost or in battle in Ukraine. He said in January he would reckon they won't bring out t54/55s built in the 50s 2 months later he's recording them

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1638536842936033280

Death traps for whoever is inside. T-34s will surely struggle to move

It is rather odd that they are pulling these ancient tanks out and putting them into service. Every Russian/Soviet tank since the T-64 was introduced in the mid-60s has featured an autoloader and a crew of 3, no Russian tanker alive will have any sort of experience in having to manually load a tank gun.

Russia was supposed to have scrapped 54/55 and 62 series tanks years ago, yet here they are, breaking out Museum pieces.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-soldiers-stop-receiving-salaries-155345355.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACGltAHvEONW-6gatJ3rHre2aFQDIN0Q1DcLBIiO13Egcmh9HxggPVVNR1---qJ6MuvgM4UculE23wtmW9wV8kA7WsvliGwsEeUwnfaDyeAQyfE EtbZrtGRASoF6GgTq7Zw9w4W3eoU_sUvWbMgTAcyzW3YTPLTFk uEVGqyMWIj5

Armies have been known to collapse over such issues.


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[Ozyhibby]

Russia now seemingly deploying T-34s, a tank built in the 1940s.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230324/09d97a02426ab8591a29cbf328f6c740.jpg


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[Jones28]

Reports Wagner are pulling out of Bakhmut - could be an indicator of a Ukrainian offensive.

Considering the reports that were coming out of Bakhmut earlier in the year I can't believe I'm even typing this.

Bravery and courage triumphing over evil.

:lolrangers:

[Hibs4185]

Reports Wagner are pulling out of Bakhmut - could be an indicator of a Ukrainian offensive.

Considering the reports that were coming out of Bakhmut earlier in the year I can't believe I'm even typing this.

Bravery and courage triumphing over evil.

:lolrangers:

“Bravery and courage triumphing over evil.”

Takes me back to May 2016

[Ryan91]

Reports Wagner are pulling out of Bakhmut - could be an indicator of a Ukrainian offensive.

Considering the reports that were coming out of Bakhmut earlier in the year I can't believe I'm even typing this.

Bravery and courage triumphing over evil.

:lolrangers:

No doubt all the vatniks and tankies will be telling the world that this is all part of the Grand Russian Plan to lull Ukraine into thinking they're winning only for the Mighty Russian Bear to turn around, smash Ukraine and then defeat the NATO aggressors.

Course the reality is that Prigozhin knows that Wagner taking and holding Bakhmut is an impossible task especially since the logisticians in the Russian military are reluctant to resupply Wagner forces because they don't want Wagner to be seen as successful.

[BS44]

Reports Wagner are pulling out of Bakhmut - could be an indicator of a Ukrainian offensive.

Considering the reports that were coming out of Bakhmut earlier in the year I can't believe I'm even typing this.

Bravery and courage triumphing over evil.

:lolrangers:

Might be unrelated but Wagner are supposedly struggling to bring in new recruits since Russia banned them from using prisoners, also a lot of the convicts they recruited have done their six month stint and are now pardoned so they're getting out of Ukraine and returning home

[WhileTheChief..]

^^A whole load of convicted murderers and rapists now returning to freedom whilst armed to the teeth.

Whether they will be allowed to leave is another matter. They might get shot by the regular army as they try to retreat as the tensions between them have been growing ever stronger.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1639369033769205762?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Easy to see why Ukraine are holding off still with their offensive.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/chriso_wiki/status/1639530708812046337?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1639344877753323520?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Russians selling property in Crimea?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Rumours Russia might start sending back Ukrainian children thanks to the ICC warrant. Ireland, Germany, South Africa have said they will comply with warrant and arrest Putin, Brazil have insinuated
https://www.google.com/amp/s/global.espreso.tv/brazil-comments-on-possibility-of-putins-arrest-due-to-iccs-warrant%3famp

Ukrainian ombudsman quotes on the children
https://mobile.twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/1639600488524963843

[BS44]

https://youtu.be/lkaDVD7c8A4

Did Putin visit Mariupol or send a lookalike?

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1639708879574450177?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

I think the Ukrainians hit a massive Russian hq in Svatove today.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1639707186254299137?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Not a small explosion either.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Aah how sweet https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/21/putin-xi-talks-moscow-japanese-pm-to-ukraine

i wish western countries would officially start somehow hurting the Chinese economy, just banning TikTok from Government Mobiles doesn't really hurt China :)

Russia to station tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/25/russia-to-station-tactical-nuclear-weapons-in-belarus




USA politicians should start regular visits to Taiwan to upset Jinping

[DaveF]

https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1639707186254299137?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Not a small explosion either.


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The first 2 were probably enough. The last 2 is just rubbing it in.

[Ozyhibby]

Aah how sweet https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/21/putin-xi-talks-moscow-japanese-pm-to-ukraine

i wish western countries would officially start somehow hurting the Chinese economy, just banning TikTok from Government Mobiles doesn't really hurt China :)




and USA politicians should start regular visits to Taiwan to upset Jinping

America is in the process of doing this just now. It’s going to take some time though. The UK and EU haven’t even started yet though. The pain will be harder when it happens. The world is splitting into democracies and autocracies just now.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

America is in the process of doing this just now. It’s going to take some time though. The UK and EU haven’t even started yet though. The pain will be harder when it happens. The world is splitting into democracies and autocracies just now.


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all this time we've been blaming the tories for lack of food in our stores when really it's the Chinese we should be blaming :greengrin, seeing as they own so much in 'Great' Britain https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/27/china-owns-vast-offshore-network-uk-real-estate-records-reveal#:~:text=Disclosures%20made%20as%20part%20of ,Britain%20via%20dozens%20of%20companies.

Disclosures made as part of a new government register of property owned via offshore entities (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/27/uk-for-sale-how-the-wealthy-hold-british-property-via-offshore-firms) show that China’s investment division owns more than 250 properties across Britain via dozens of companies. They include distribution centres that are key to the flow of food and goods in multiple regions of the UK including the south-west and south-east of England and the Midlands.

universities in GB would be a tad upset as well, inc Edinburgh & Glasgow Scottish universities took £11m from "corrupt Chinese Communist Party" (deadlinenews.co.uk) (https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2022/05/10/scottish-universities-condemned-for-taking-11m-from-corrupt-chinese-party/)

Russia of course have a few rubles in Londongrad property and did play their part in Brexit, and of course ex besties of the Tory party, at least officially anyway https://www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit

[Glory Lurker]

https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1639707186254299137?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Not a small explosion either.


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I like what I'm seeing, but if it's filmed on CCTV in a Russian-held area, how are we getting to see it? Would be easy to work out who leaked it.

I do find to that every clip I watch on twitter or whatever apparently about this war leaves me asking questions.

In case it sounds like I am positively disputing it, I'm not, I just have questions!

Mon Ukraine!

[Stairway 2 7]

I like what I'm seeing, but if it's filmed on CCTV in a Russian-held area, how are we getting to see it? Would be easy to work out who leaked it.

I do find to that every clip I watch on twitter or whatever apparently about this war leaves me asking questions.

In case it sounds like I am positively disputing it, I'm not, I just have questions!

Mon Ukraine!

Videos of most strikes come out in the days after in both Russian and Ukrainian territory. Ukraine had to ask people to stop putting Videos up instantly after the happened as Russia was using them to adjust their fire.

We know exactly where each explosion hits a few hours after they do due to NASA firms data. Its a satellite system that tracks heat increases, used before to track wildfires. Now statos watch it and tell us every explosion of the war. It means everyone knows exactly where the front line is, how much artillery each side is using and where the next push is likely to be

From the Russian side rybar is very accurate on twitter and defmon an American
Defmons daily updates show the exact lines
https://mobile.twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1639352274081423360

You learn to trust 4 or 5 accounts that wait to get further information like firms data or geolocate the video.

It's why I've not commented on Bakhmut. It was a given on here that it was falling 8 weeks ago. I then put up 3 weeks ago the institute of the study of war saying the attacks by Russia were slowing down and showing signs of culminating, I got told to not believe propaganda, but it wasn't it was a team watching the front line every day. I don't know what's going to happen there I'm sure Russia could still ramp up again, but the attacks have definitely slowed

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/status/1640566333535408129?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

He’s not wrong.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1640657271398051842?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

This sort of thing would take a fair bit getting used to.[emoji51]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Russias battle plans and encirclements month on month

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[Stairway 2 7]

Huge news Hungary and Turkey both ratify Finlands joining NATO. Finlands public and Parliament unanimously wanted this, just over a year ago they thought the opposite. Russias blood thirst backfires again

Finnish Government
@FinGovernment
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All NATO member countries have ratified Finland’s membership.

NATO membership will strengthen Finland’s security and improve stability and security in the Baltic Sea region and Northern Europe

[Jones28]

Lots of footage circulating of what looks to be a Ukrainian counter-offensive.

Just incredible this is the stage we're at just over a year later.

I've got a lovely Ukrainian colleague who I was chatting to about it, their gratitude for what NATO has done is real and genuine.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1642555475257352196?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Cafe in St. Petersburg blew up. Owned by Prigozhin. Blogger critical of the Russian military killed.


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[DaveF]

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1642555475257352196?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Cafe in St. Petersburg blew up. Owned by Prigozhin. Blogger critical of the Russian military killed.


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Can only assume this bloke lived in a ground floor flat so throwing him out the window wasn't an option.

[LunasBoots]

Finland joins Nato, Sweden next...Russia not happy