Ukraine

[Ozyhibby]

Uh oh.

That’s not good.

Doubt it’s article 5 level but it can’t go without a response.


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[StevieC]

I read somewhere that they start to freeze on average around December until March but I'll bow to your superior knowledge of the region Stevie. I studied Arctic Warfare in my time in the military and I can't remember the actual thickness ice needed to be for different vehicles to cross, but I remember it being surprisingly thin depending on the type of ice. I'll have to dig out my old manuals.

No superior knowledge here mate 😁
I would say say I’ve been about 6 or 7 times in January, and a couple of those times it wasn’t frozen solid. Kherson is also closer to Black Sea so I would have thought that would mean less chance of freezing over, compared to Dnipro.
That’s not to say it won’t, and if it aids the ЗСУ I hope it does.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1592598256512798720

@PhillipsPOBrien
The Russian missile screw-up that ended up killing two Poles will result in NATO invoking article 4 not article 5 (see below). The consultation will probably result in more support for Ukraine, particularly air and anti-air power. Will give Poland some real influence

[Stairway 2 7]

@michaeldweiss
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RT's editor-in-chief posts the following: "Now Poland has its Belgorod oblast. And how did you want?" A comment that won't be missed in Warsaw

@WarMonitor3
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31m
Statement from Estonia regarding situation in Poland
“Latest news from Poland is most concerning. We are consulting closely with Poland and other Allies. Estonia is ready to defend every inch of NATO territory. We’re in full solidarity with our close ally Poland

A senior U.S. intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing two people.

Source: Associated Press

[Bridge hibs]

@michaeldweiss
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RT's editor-in-chief posts the following: "Now Poland has its Belgorod oblast. And how did you want?" A comment that won't be missed in Warsaw

@WarMonitor3
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31m
Statement from Estonia regarding situation in Poland
“Latest news from Poland is most concerning. We are consulting closely with Poland and other Allies. Estonia is ready to defend every inch of NATO territory. We’re in full solidarity with our close ally Poland

A senior U.S. intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing two people.

Source: Associated PressWas only a matter of time before something like that was going to happen, they may argue the missiles were stray or they may be trying to goad nato into retaliation, either way not so ****ing good 🤬

[Stairway 2 7]

They are going full it wasn't us. Nato will know exactly where it came from, just like when Russia blew up flight mh17

nexta_tv
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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: statements by the Polish media and officials about the alleged fall of "Russian" missiles in the area of the settlement of Przewodów are a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation

There were no strikes on targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border by Russian weapons. The debris published by the Polish media from the scene in Przewodów has nothing to do with Russian weapons

[degenerated]

They are going full it wasn't us. Nato will know exactly where it came from, just like when Russia blew up flight mh17

nexta_tv
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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: statements by the Polish media and officials about the alleged fall of "Russian" missiles in the area of the settlement of Przewodów are a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation

There were no strikes on targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border by Russian weapons. The debris published by the Polish media from the scene in Przewodów has nothing to do with Russian weaponsPolish media reporting that they believe it is most likely debris from russian missile which had been shot down by Ukraine.

[Stairway 2 7]

Russian Rt media editor

RT's Margarita Simonyan:

"If this isn't a deliberate provocation, there's one piece of good news here. A Nato country is so ****tily defended that anyone can accidentally hit it with anything and all of Nato won't even know who hit it with what and why.

[Stairway 2 7]

nexta_tv
The US is still "taking time" to understand what happened in Poland, the State Department said.

Meanwhile, the White House has requested an additional $37.7 billion from Congress to help Ukraine

Source CBS news

[Hibernian Verse]

Russian Rt media editor

RT's Margarita Simonyan:

"If this isn't a deliberate provocation, there's one piece of good news here. A Nato country is so ****tily defended that anyone can accidentally hit it with anything and all of Nato won't even know who hit it with what and why.

She’s a nutter

[Stairway 2 7]

Polish president duda has spoken to Zelensky, Biden and Sunak tonight and will make an announcement in 30 minutes. They have asked for a nato meeting tomorrow

@nexta_tv
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NATO ambassadors will meet on Wednesday at the request of Poland on basis of the alliance's Article 4

According to article 4 of the alliance's founding treaty, members can raise any issue of concern, especially related to the security of a member country.

📰Reuters

[Since90+2]

Was only a matter of time before something like that was going to happen, they may argue the missiles were stray or they may be trying to goad nato into retaliation, either way not so ****ing good 🤬

Why on earth would Russia want to goad NATO into retaliation?

[OldEast]

Why on earth would Russia want to goad NATO into retaliation?

So they can have some justification for going nuclear?

[Bridge hibs]

Why on earth would Russia want to goad NATO into retaliation?
I honestly dont know mate but if it wasnt an accident then thats escalation straight away isnt it, bombs landing in a nato country and killing two people. Theres obviously investigations ongoing but if it was deliberate what do nato do ?

[Since90+2]

Biden says the missile likely didn't come from Russia. It seems it was more likely a Ukrainian missile fired to stop an incoming Russia attack that went off course.

[Since90+2]

So they can have some justification for going nuclear?

If they were crazy enough to want to end civilization, I don't think they'd wait for justification.

[Bridge hibs]

Biden says the missile likely didn't come from Russia. It seems it was more likely a Ukrainian missile fired to stop an incoming Russia attack that went off course.I think if Russia wanted to hit Poland as an act of agression then they would hit infrastructure or a more populated area, for the sake of all I hope he is right. The *******s are still hitting Kviv though 🤬

[He's here!]

Biden says the missile likely didn't come from Russia. It seems it was more likely a Ukrainian missile fired to stop an incoming Russia attack that went off course.

Yes, that's now all but been confirmed by the US.

[Stairway 2 7]

There is no way Russia hits a nato country deliberately, it would be suicide. Can only see an accident

[Ozyhibby]

So they can have some justification for going nuclear?

If they go nuclear they don’t have to worry about justifying it. There won’t be anyone left to either justify it or justify it to.


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[Ozyhibby]

Biden says the missile likely didn't come from Russia. It seems it was more likely a Ukrainian missile fired to stop an incoming Russia attack that went off course.

That doesn’t get Russia off the hook. Two people are still dead due to Russian aggression. There will still be consequences for Russia.


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[He's here!]

There is no way Russia hits a nato country deliberately, it would be suicide. Can only see an accident

If, as Biden is claiming, the missiles were actually fired by Ukrainian forces I'm guessing the fact they had Russian markings means they were captured weaponry. Either that or they really were fired by Russia and Biden is fudging things to avoid having to retaliate?

[Since90+2]

If, as Biden is claiming, the missiles were actually fired by Ukrainian forces I'm guessing the fact they had Russian markings means they were captured weaponry. Either that or they really were fired by Russia and Biden is fudging things to avoid having to retaliate?

Absolutely no chance Biden is going to claim it as a Ukrainian missile when in fact he knows it was Russian. Zero chance of that.

[Stairway 2 7]

Holland hinting an air defense too I think

@andybell5news
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PM Rutte of the Netherlands tells @5_News that “whatever exactly happened - and that’s still being established - it’s all because of Russian aggression against #Ukraine” after #G7 meeting #Poland

[Stairway 2 7]

Seems the target. Poland pushing for article 4. Probably more air defenses to protect the west side of Ukraine I'd think

visegrad24
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Ukrainian sources confirm that the Dobrotvirska Thermal Power Plant was hit yesterday in a Russian missile strike.

The power plant is just a few kilometers across the border from Przewodów, Poland, where 2 civilians were killed by a missile.

[SaulGoodman]

Sounds like it was a Ukrainian air defence missile that landed in Poland.

[hibsbollah]

If, as Biden is claiming, the missiles were actually fired by Ukrainian forces I'm guessing the fact they had Russian markings means they were captured weaponry. Either that or they really were fired by Russia and Biden is fudging things to avoid having to retaliate?

I think that’s highly unlikely. Lots of people jumping to early conclusions that the missiles were Russian, based on the Twitter-driven news ticker cycle and furiously backpedaling to save face online. On the other hand it was an understandable assumption to make so all the glee on the pro-Russian side is equally misplaced. All a bit pathetic really.

[Ozyhibby]

I think that’s highly unlikely. Lots of people jumping to early conclusions that the missiles were Russian, based on the Twitter-driven news ticker cycle and furiously backpedaling to save face online. On the other hand it was an understandable assumption to make so all the glee on the pro-Russian side is equally misplaced. All a bit pathetic really.

The only people responsible for any missiles being in the air at all are the Russians. That’s where the blame lies here.


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[hibsbollah]

The only people responsible for any missiles being in the air at all are the Russians. That’s where the blame lies here.


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You will see I already made the point ‘that it is understandable assumption to make’, so yes, I agree.

[Stairway 2 7]

The only people responsible for any missiles being in the air at all are the Russians. That’s where the blame lies here.


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I think it's great that none of the nato leaders jumped into anything, bodes well for the future. This might stop Russia shooting missles so close to Poland, but I wouldn't bet against

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1592898787575357440?s=46&t=HiIVcXbYAQfAvMPsB-JOUg

Russians just beginning to realise that they are totally dependent on the west for all their technology. They make nothing themselves.


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[Ozyhibby]

I think it's great that none of the nato leaders jumped into anything, bodes well for the future. This might stop Russia shooting missles so close to Poland, but I wouldn't bet against

Agree. There will be a response but it will be proportionate.


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[Smartie]

I think it's great that none of the nato leaders jumped into anything, bodes well for the future. This might stop Russia shooting missles so close to Poland, but I wouldn't bet against

I'd like to think that NATO will have very robust protocols and will have planned and carried out exercises for a number of potential scenarios, minimising the chances of anything rash happening and ensuring that cool thinking always prevails.

We still shouldn't underestimate the seriousness or the general crapness that goes with Russia lobbing missiles about, what it might lead to in future in addition to what has already happened and is currently happening.

[Stairway 2 7]

Surely the public are fuming, spending billions plus sanctions and for what

AFP News Agency
@AFP
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#BREAKING Russia enters recession as GDP falls by 4% in third quarter: statistics agency

[Stairway 2 7]

Reminder sweeden were a neutral nation in January, now they are almost in nato and supplying weapons. $300 million to Ukraine

@carlbildt

This morning new 🇸🇪 government announced a record military and humanitarian aid package to 🇺🇦, including advanced air defense system after contacts with
@ZelenskyyUa

There have been eight previous packages of aid from 🇸🇪 to 🇺🇦, but the military and humanitarian package presented today is larger than all of the previous ones taken together

[Jim44]

Sounds like it was a Ukrainian air defence missile that landed in Poland.


The only people responsible for any missiles being in the air at all are the Russians. That’s where the blame lies here.


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Absolutely. But I don’t understand why Zelenskyy is adamant it was a Russian fired missile. Accidental collateral damage is unfortunate and inevitable but why deny it?

[Stairway 2 7]

Absolutely. But I don’t understand why Zelenskyy is adamant it was a Russian fired missile. Accidental collateral damage is unfortunate and inevitable but why deny it?

You wouldn't really trust the Russian or Ukrainian account when they are fighting for their lives. Nato will investigate fairly I believe

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1592898787575357440?s=46&t=HiIVcXbYAQfAvMPsB-JOUg

Russians just beginning to realise that they are totally dependent on the west for all their technology. They make nothing themselves.


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[Ozyhibby]

Absolutely. But I don’t understand why Zelenskyy is adamant it was a Russian fired missile. Accidental collateral damage is unfortunate and inevitable but why deny it?

I imagine the guy is under a fair bit of pressure and is desperate for it to be true. Luckily the poles did their own investigation.


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[Ozyhibby]

Does this mean their space programme has to stop. [emoji6]

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It will soon enough.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-xi-drifting-away-from-putin/

Cindy Yu
Is Xi drifting away from Putin

The Chinese readouts of the G20 meetings stressed Russian belief that “nuclear war cannot be fought, cannot be won.

[Stairway 2 7]

Seen a few of these shoot downs today, amazing but horrifying. At $1 million each surely could be spent better, when people in Russia are starving

https://mobile.twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1593158987800641536

@Euan_MacDonald
Spectacular footage: Two Russian Kalibr cruise missiles shot down within seconds over Kyiv Oblast on Nov. 15. First is audible explosion and glow on horizon, second a clear view of interception by German Iris-T air defense system

https://mobile.twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1593010595984457729
@christogrozev
You may have seen this from yesterday - but IYMI - here's a rare close-up of a shootdown of a Kalibr cruise missile. Considering it flies low and over so many settlements, their shootdowns can almost be called "crowd-sourced

[Stairway 2 7]

Mh17 murder trial verdict expected today. Probably bellingcats finest hour helping prove Russia shot down the passenger jet

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63637625

"Many... victims' relatives believe if the world had reacted differently and taken a tougher stance against Russia eight years ago, the invasion of Ukraine and the geopolitical instability that has followed could have been avoided

[Stairway 2 7]

Russian power revolves around prison culture. Crazy thread on Prigozhin the head of wagner thinking about making divisions in the army just for those that have been raped in prison, so they don't have to mix

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1593042478235807744

Another thread how prison culture runs to the top. Lavrov previously made fun of the French emblem because rooster is someone raped in prison. Also goes into how making concessions wouldn't work with Russia. Anyone that knows Russian culture knows they take asking for concessions as a weakness. Pacifists are to be taken advantage of

https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1498692916511924232

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Russian power revolves around prison culture. Crazy thread on Prigozhin the head of wagner thinking about making divisions in the army just for those that have been raped in prison, so they don't have to mix

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1593042478235807744

Another thread how prison culture runs to the top. Lavrov previously made fun of the French emblem because rooster is someone raped in prison. Also goes into how making concessions wouldn't work with Russia. Anyone that knows Russian culture knows they take asking for concessions as a weakness. Pacifists are to be taken advantage of

https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1498692916511924232

Prison culture is crazy in Russia, you can separate the regular gopnics (neds/lowlife ect) from gopniks that have served time. They stand and sit in certain positions that only ex cons are permitted to do so, they have their own language, sayings and phrases.
It's a whole sub culture of rank and deference.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Marvellous how it's the raped prisoners that are the outcasts, presumably the rapists are heros?

[Stairway 2 7]

Marvellous how it's the raped prisoners that are the outcasts, presumably the rapists are heros?

Brutal. Would like to read more into it but unsure I can, we don't realised how privileged we are

[Lendo]

The whole world of Russian prison tattoos are a PHD thesis in themselves. Utterly fascinating stuff.

[Stairway 2 7]

John Mearsheimer being an apologist again. Saying Putin isn't being imperialistic and he never wanted all of Ukraine anyway.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/john-mearsheimer-on-putins-ambitions-after-nine-months-of-war

[Stairway 2 7]

Is that worth is at 1 million dollars a missile

visegrad24
A Russian missile struck a residential building in Vilniansk, near Zaporizhzhia, this morning.

7 civilians were killed

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1593308040278810625

@nexta_tv
British street artist #Banksy posted a video with his artwork created in #Ukraine.

[WhileTheChief..]

UKR drones attacked a Russian airbase deep in Crimea destroying 8 planes.

The base was being used by Iranians to train Russians on their drones. Possibly the first Iranian casualties.

[StevieC]

Big missile explosion in Dnipro today. My friend (still there) says it was near the old stadium (the one we played at).

[Ozyhibby]

UKR drones attacked a Russian airbase deep in Crimea destroying 8 planes.

The base was being used by Iranians to train Russians on their drones. Possibly the first Iranian casualties.

The Iranians might find themselves called home soon anyway.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[Smartie]

Big missile explosion in Dnipro today. My friend (still there) says it was near the old stadium (the one we played at).

SkyNews have just put up dashcam footage of a missile thumping into Dnipro, may be that one.

Looks terrifying. It's simply horrendous for those poor people to be having to live their lives like this.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-putin-making-grave-military-error-to-show-toughness-to-kremlin-critics-12541713

[Just Alf]

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1593383020932739072?t=rbPRcVgovVLIJoB-iM5mZQ&s=19

[Just Alf]

Sorry on phone so not sure that worked

[DaveF]

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1593383020932739072?t=rbPRcVgovVLIJoB-iM5mZQ&s=19

Shot himself 5 times. Riiight.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I remember watching a documentary about the race riots in the deep South of America when a black guy was shot over 10 times and the local sheriff made some comment about it being the worst case of suicide that he had ever seen 🤔 Crazy stuff!

[greenginger]

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-will-be-over-by-spring-predicts-countrys-defence-minister-12750712


If only, if only !

[AgentDaleCooper]

John Mearsheimer being an apologist again. Saying Putin isn't being imperialistic and he never wanted all of Ukraine anyway.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/john-mearsheimer-on-putins-ambitions-after-nine-months-of-war

IMO the problem with this is that he's doubling down more than he needs to on hìs initial premise, basically to save academic face. NATO contributed significantly, and i would argue did more than anyone else to set the circustances for the conflict, but that doesn't absolve Putin or detract from his motives. Mearsheimer is committing the same mistakes as a lot of Marxists - getting stuck on the objective part of their theory and completely neglect the subjective element.

[judas]

The damage to energy production must be a huge setback for Ukraine.

One wonders how possible it will actually be to sustain their progress with half the grid gone.

[Rumble de Thump]

IMO the problem with this is that he's doubling down more than he needs to on hìs initial premise, basically to save academic face. NATO contributed significantly, and i would argue did more than anyone else to set the circustances for the conflict, but that doesn't absolve Putin or detract from his motives. Mearsheimer is committing the same mistakes as a lot of Marxists - getting stuck on the objective part of their theory and completely neglect the subjective element.

NATO caused this war as much as Ukrainian Nazis and Satanic groups did.

[Hibbyradge]

NATO caused this war as much as Ukrainian Nazis and Satanic groups did.

The real culprit is Bill Gates with his microchiped vaccinations.

[Stairway 2 7]

Putins imperialism caused this war. It has become clearer as the months went on. He literally has no interest that Finland that shares a border with them joined NATO, so much so that he removed most border guards to send to Ukraine.

Russian insides said Zelenskys offers in January to never join nato were basically laughed at in the Kremlin.

The plans found from defeated soldiers showed taking Ukraine in 6 days and then moving to Moldova.

It would be another puppet like Belarus and the west probably would have tutted and done nothing.

We enabled this by letting him steal crimea

Iran on the other hand is heavily uk's fault for helping create the regime, but there's another thread

[Stairway 2 7]

The real culprit is Bill Gates with his microchiped vaccinations.

There's actually a decent overlap with covid deniers and pro Putin in some groups on the right, **** knows why

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1594634986396811264?s=46&t=_gdr86vVzePNXfzRJBDHAg

How wars turn into world wars.


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[BS44]

The damage to energy production must be a huge setback for Ukraine.

One wonders how possible it will actually be to sustain their progress with half the grid gone.

BBC News - Millions of lives under threat in Ukraine this winter - WHO
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63708223

[Stairway 2 7]

Kyiv went 48 hours without a blackout which is great. Lots of countries are sending tremendous amounts of infrastructure to help. Germany just sent 2000 generators to help critical buildings. Norway just agreed a 1 billion dollar package that includes 300 million dollars worth of gas. I read Russia has used 800 million dollars worth of missiles in attacking Ukrainian energy facilities.

The idea isn't to effect the army but crush the populous.

Canada is helping the army be ready by sending 500,000 bit of winter clothing to Ukraine

[Ryan91]

Kyiv went 48 hours without a blackout which is great. Lots of countries are sending tremendous amounts of infrastructure to help. Germany just sent 2000 generators to help critical buildings. Norway just agreed a 1 billion dollar package that includes 300 million dollars worth of gas. I read Russia has used 800 million dollars worth of missiles in attacking Ukrainian energy facilities.

The idea isn't to effect the army but crush the populous.

Canada is helping the army be ready by sending 500,000 bit of winter clothing to Ukraine

Putin's attacks on civilians likely only help to further strengthen the resolve of the Ukrainian troops and the Ukrainian people. They are determined to show that they will not be bullied into submission through the use of such cowardly tactics.

Putin has quite clearly underestimated the strength of response that has come from Western/NATO nations

[Stairway 2 7]

I've seen a video of a Doctor in scrubs in a bad way getting pulled out the rubble. Just going to work to help people and has to endure terror.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1595327369786564610
JimmySecUK
Overnight a Russian missile destroyed a maternity hospital ward in Vilnyansky, Zaporizhia Oblast, killing a newborn baby and injuring two doctors

[Stairway 2 7]

Eu parliament votes to say Russia is a state sponsor or terrorism. Should make it easier for frozen Russian funds being used to rebuild Ukraine

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1595390115211247617
@PhillipsPOBrien

Here is a picture of the European Parliament's
@Europarl_EN vote saying that Russia is a state sponsor of terrorism. Whats maybe most interesting, is that the opposition to the vote comes mostly from far left and far right (the red bulbs). Far Left and Right are converging

[Hibrandenburg]

Eu parliament votes to say Russia is a state sponsor or terrorism. Should make it easier for frozen Russian funds being used to rebuild Ukraine

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1595390115211247617
@PhillipsPOBrien

Here is a picture of the European Parliament's
@Europarl_EN vote saying that Russia is a state sponsor of terrorism. Whats maybe most interesting, is that the opposition to the vote comes mostly from far left and far right (the red bulbs). Far Left and Right are converging

The far left and right have been funded by Putin for years. It's worked a treat in the US and UK with the centre right shifting to the right to regain votes and destabilising both democracies.

[Stairway 2 7]

Good to see Russia sticking to the important issues back home, £6000 fine for talking about gay relationships 👍

https://www.dw.com/en/russian-lawmakers-ban-lgbt-propaganda-among-adults/a-63871556?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

Russian lawmakers ban 'LGBT propaganda' among adults

[Stairway 2 7]

Just turkey to approve which they will. Putin won't react or care that the country with the biggest European border with Russia is joining nato, as it was never about nato

Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
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BREAKING: Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban backs Sweden and Finland's accession to NATO

[superfurryhibby]

Just turkey to approve which they will. Putin won't react or care that the country with the biggest European border with Russia is joining nato, as it was never about nato

Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
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BREAKING: Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban backs Sweden and Finland's accession to NATO

I think you are downplaying how Russians view Nato.

Interesting survey from pre-Crimea conflict.

https://wciom.com/press-release/russia-and-nato#:~:text=Russian%20Public%20Opinion%20Research %20Center%20%28VCIOM%29%20presents%20the,tenth%20R ussian%20views%20NATO%20as%20an%20aggressive%20org anization.

Here's a NATO counterpoint

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm

From the Guardian earlier this year
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today


"The current confrontation between Russia and the west is fuelled by many grievances, but the greatest is the belief in Moscow that the west tricked the former Soviet Union by breaking promises made at the end of the cold war in 1989-1990 that Nato would not expand to the east. In his now famous 2007 speech to the Munich Security Conference, Vladimir Putin accused the west of forgetting and breaking assurances, leaving international law in ruins"

[Stairway 2 7]

I think you are downplaying how Russians view Nato.

Interesting survey from pre-Crimea conflict.

https://wciom.com/press-release/russia-and-nato#:~:text=Russian%20Public%20Opinion%20Research %20Center%20%28VCIOM%29%20presents%20the,tenth%20R ussian%20views%20NATO%20as%20an%20aggressive%20org anization.

Here's a NATO counterpoint

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm

From the Guardian earlier this year
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today


"The current confrontation between Russia and the west is fuelled by many grievances, but the greatest is the belief in Moscow that the west tricked the former Soviet Union by breaking promises made at the end of the cold war in 1989-1990 that Nato would not expand to the east. In his now famous 2007 speech to the Munich Security Conference, Vladimir Putin accused the west of forgetting and breaking assurances, leaving international law in ruins"

I never said they didn't view it negatively of course they did. But this is a war of expansion. Putin compared himself to Peter the great in May and says the fall of the Soviet Union was the worst moment of the 21st century. Putin has said many things that are not to believed obviously, like it's a training exercise we will not invade

Pre war Zelensky put to russia that he was happy to sign a decree to stay neutral and never join nato, it was obviously dismissed.

Russia has shown how worried it is about nato attacking it, by removing almost all border guards and air defenses along nato borders and sending them into Ukraine

He's pretty much said he doesn't care that Finland their biggest land border is joining nato, as it isn't part of his dream.

[Ozyhibby]

I think you are downplaying how Russians view Nato.

Interesting survey from pre-Crimea conflict.

https://wciom.com/press-release/russia-and-nato#:~:text=Russian%20Public%20Opinion%20Research %20Center%20%28VCIOM%29%20presents%20the,tenth%20R ussian%20views%20NATO%20as%20an%20aggressive%20org anization.

Here's a NATO counterpoint

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm

From the Guardian earlier this year
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today


"The current confrontation between Russia and the west is fuelled by many grievances, but the greatest is the belief in Moscow that the west tricked the former Soviet Union by breaking promises made at the end of the cold war in 1989-1990 that Nato would not expand to the east. In his now famous 2007 speech to the Munich Security Conference, Vladimir Putin accused the west of forgetting and breaking assurances, leaving international law in ruins"

Russia is a small basket case of a country that does not have a veto on any country joining NATO. Within the next ten years Ukraine will also join NATO and Russia will have to learn to live with it.
Russia has nuclear weapons and that’s it. And they are already leveraging the power that gives them to the maximum. There is nowhere higher that their nuclear blackmail will be tolerated.
They are now isolated within the international community. Their oil and gas exports are diminishing every month. I think it’s unlikely they make it through 2023 without some sort of revolution. What happens after that will need watching but that’s all we can do. There will be no more concessions to them.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/djshaw62/status/1596464392300015618?s=46&t=ZE7VknHsKgspJB9SDaUQkQ

State of this Russian trench.[emoji102]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Support for war collapsing in Russia since June, probably due to sanctions kicking in and military defects

https://mobile.twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1598306049014075399

juliaioffe
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Now 55% of Russians favor peace talks and only 25% favor a continuation of the war.

Sociologists think it's not because their country is killing Ukrainians and destroying their country, but because Russians don't want to personally participate in it.

[Stairway 2 7]

Amazing article by rusi some of it already known, but a lot of details of the Russians plans for Ukraine in January.

https://mobile.twitter.com/charliekreuz/status/1598256313565609988

Russia planned to “subjugate” Ukraine in ten days and control it by summer as part of plans drawn up by a small group of officials led by Vladimir Putin. That’s according to a new report by Britain’s RUSI, an institute linked to Britain’s army, drawing on captured Russian orders.

Putin wrote his famous essay (asserting that Ukrainians and Russians were one people) in July 2021. That same month, the report says, the FSB was tasked with surveying Ukrainians. The result of their work seems to have been shaped by confirmation bias.

Russia’s army leadership said (and believed) it had achieved parity with the US due to military reforms. It devised a blitzkrieg plan, according to which several forces would seize different areas of Left Bank Ukraine. Only the Southern Military Command appeared to achieve goals

Russian counterintelligence had been drawing up lists of Ukrainians:
- Those who were to be liquidated
-Those to be suppressed
- Those who could be induced to collaborate
-Collaborators
It considered most Ukrainians docile, to be controlled with electricity and heating

The crushing of Ukrainian resistance was to culminate in monstrous show trials and executions of those involved in the Maidan Revolution

Meanwhile, Europe was to be kept inactive through targeted “blackmail” involving nuclear power plants.

The Russian plan did not assume any degree of Ukrainian agency. It was not subject to critical scrutiny and success was believed to be assured

The report obviously was shaped by Ukrainian sources. It says that the initial Russian plan failed due to hubris and delusion. But it also seems that elements of it are being used in the occupied territories (eg. the Zaporizhzhya plant

[WhileTheChief..]

https://twitter.com/djshaw62/status/1596464392300015618?s=46&t=ZE7VknHsKgspJB9SDaUQkQ

State of this Russian trench.[emoji102]


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There was drone footage showing a Russian trench.

You could see one Russian soldier running and checking on his colleagues in the morning, they had all died, presumably from hypothermia.

They are bing forced to live outdoors in near freezing conditions with no tents, clothing, boots or food. They can't possibly survive these conditions.

Also some makeshift 'tents' - clingfilm wrapped around trees. Grim stuff.

[Stairway 2 7]

There was drone footage showing a Russian trench.

You could see one Russian soldier running and checking on his colleagues in the morning, they had all died, presumably from hypothermia.

They are bing forced to live outdoors in near freezing conditions with no tents, clothing, boots or food. They can't possibly survive these conditions.

Also some makeshift 'tents' - clingfilm wrapped around trees. Grim stuff.

An ex Norwegian General I saw interviewed, estimated Russia would match the 80,000 soldiers dead so far, with deaths due to hypothermia this winter

[Jones28]

An ex Norwegian General I saw interviewed, estimated Russia would match the 80,000 soldiers dead so far, with deaths due to hypothermia this winter

That really is senseless. These men must know being sent to front is a death sentence. Why is there no mass revolt?

[Ozyhibby]

That really is senseless. These men must know being sent to front is a death sentence. Why is there no mass revolt?

Create the right conditions and you can get people to march to their own death, sadly.


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[Stairway 2 7]

That really is senseless. These men must know being sent to front is a death sentence. Why is there no mass revolt?

There's a second line at the rear that will punish any deserters. I'm sure their spirits will be low, but they don't have any choice.

There's videos all over twitter of huddled Russians clearly frozen to death, horrible. I wouldn’t share them here, just a brutal waste of lives

[OldEast]

There's a second line at the rear that will punish any deserters. I'm sure their spirits will be low, but they don't have any choice.

There's videos all over twitter of huddled Russians clearly frozen to death, horrible. I wouldn’t share them here, just a brutal waste of lives

If they are all over twitter and you've looked at them what is stopping you linking them here?

[Stairway 2 7]

If they are all over twitter and you've looked at them what is stopping you linking them here?

I would preferred not to look at some of them as the tone is gleeful. I want Russia to lose every battle but videos with happy music and dying men isn't for me

They are shared by many war reporters though.

Here's one but with more info on the effects of cold

https://mobile.twitter.com/warnerta/status/1596017726212169728

Here's one from a military perspective on why Russia will lose so many men

https://mobile.twitter.com/noclador/status/1596260785545973760

[OldEast]

I would preferred not to look at some of them as the tone is gleeful. I want Russia to lose every battle but videos with happy music and dying men isn't for me

They are shared by many war reporters though.

Here's one but with more info on the effects of cold

https://mobile.twitter.com/warnerta/status/1596017726212169728

Here's one from a military perspective on why Russia will lose so many men

https://mobile.twitter.com/noclador/status/1596260785545973760

Thanks

[Ozyhibby]

If they are all over twitter and you've looked at them what is stopping you linking them here?

https://twitter.com/auto_glam/status/1594381876940394496?s=46&t=v7owe4jeDUFqz6WqjgcRRw

These two Russians looked close to death before the grenade hit them.


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[OldEast]

https://twitter.com/auto_glam/status/1594381876940394496?s=46&t=v7owe4jeDUFqz6WqjgcRRw

These two Russians looked close to death before the grenade hit them.


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Tragic isn't it? The human race is truly the most ****ed up species on the planet.

[Hibrandenburg]

Support for war collapsing in Russia since June, probably due to sanctions kicking in and military defects

https://mobile.twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1598306049014075399

juliaioffe
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Now 55% of Russians favor peace talks and only 25% favor a continuation of the war.

Sociologists think it's not because their country is killing Ukrainians and destroying their country, but because Russians don't want to personally participate in it.

Maybe it's time Ukraine started taking the war to Russia and started destroying their infrastructure. As long as the war is restricted to Ukrainian territory then it's easy for Russians to support the Kremlin.

[Stairway 2 7]

Maybe it's time Ukraine started taking the war to Russia and started destroying their infrastructure. As long as the war is restricted to Ukrainian territory then it's easy for Russians to support the Kremlin.

I'd agree bring it to their noses. It's easy to sneer at the Russian public not caring enough, but I'm sure there were many in Britain not knowing or caring when we were bombing bairns in Iraq.

The only problem is nato nations forbidden using nato weapons in Russia. It seems daft that Russia can have bases and storage safe from HIMARS attacks, just over the border

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/IrynaVoichuk/status/1598371689670316045?cxt=HHwWmsC43amlx64sAAAA

I find this desperately sad.

Footage from Mariupol in the lead up to Christmas 2022, 2 months before the "special military operation" began.

Much of the city has been flattened and it remains one of the places where the true horror of what has gone on is yet to be fully uncovered, if it ever will.

[Stairway 2 7]

Good thread on the state of play and the future

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1599061568259751937

[AgentDaleCooper]

Tragic isn't it? The human race is truly the most ****ed up species on the planet.

I would agree, but i have to say when i see orcas playing tennis with seals i would put us at third after them and komodo dragons, who are jist plain evil.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Explosions at two Russian Airbases

Russia-Ukraine war live: Ukraine says it has shot down 60 of over 70 missiles launched after explosions at two Russian airbases (theguardian.com) (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/dec/05/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-russian-oil-cap-comes-into-force-kyiv-resumes-rolling-power-outages?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-638dce158f08ec68b6018a70)

Russia-Ukraine war live: Ukraine says it has shot down 60 of over 70 missiles launched after explosions at two Russian airbases

[superfurryhibby]

I would agree, but i have to say when i see orcas playing tennis with seals i would put us at third after them and komodo dragons, who are jist plain evil.

I would guess there is some social function to the Orca behaviours you refer to? Either way, I’m not sure you attribute or explain animal behaviours using human values.

Otherwise, I would place humans in second place, behind the wasp..:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

I would guess there is some social function to the Orca behaviours you refer to? Either way, I’m not sure you attribute or explain animal behaviours and using human values.

Otherwise, I would place humans in second place, behind the wasp..:greengrin

Wasps are noisy and a bit annoying but they generally mind their own business.

Female horseflies, however, are the spawn of Satan.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Viktor Orban has Veteod an EU $18.93 Billion financial aid package to Kyiv


Hungary vetoes EU Ukraine aid, deepening rift with Brussels (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hungary-vetoes-eu-ukraine-aid-deepening-rift-with-brussels/ar-AA14XKt4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9cc14b6c98bd4ede826d20d115ef2346)

[Stairway 2 7]

Viktor Orban has Veteod an EU $18.93 Billion financial aid package to Kyiv


Hungary vetoes EU Ukraine aid, deepening rift with Brussels (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hungary-vetoes-eu-ukraine-aid-deepening-rift-with-brussels/ar-AA14XKt4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9cc14b6c98bd4ede826d20d115ef2346)

He's done the same every time. They pay him his aid, then he agrees, the same will happen in around a week or two's time

[Stairway 2 7]

Well in Turkey its been rumoured before but looks like a goer. Turkey is sending mobile power generation to help power Ukraines critical infrastructure

KyivIndependent
⚡️ Media: Turkish energy company to supply Ukraine with electricity via Romania, Moldova.

Karpowership intends to provide Ukraine with electricity through floating power plants in Romania and Moldova, Anadolu news agency reported, citing the company’s president, Zeynep Harezi

We are negotiating around 300-400 megawatts of capacity,” Harezi said. “This capacity can provide electricity to one million households.” The supply of electricity can start within a month, according to Harezi

[Paul1642]

Not on the topic of Ukraine but Russia related so I thought I would post it here instead of starting a new thread.

USA completes a prisoner swap between the Russian held American basketball player held for possessing cannabis oil and a USA held Russian arms dealer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63905112

Delighted for Brittney Griner but IMO it runs the risk of Russia detaining more foreign nationals on BS charges knowing that it can use them in exchange for their own high tariff nationals. Risky move by Biden.

[Stairway 2 7]

Not on the topic of Ukraine but Russia related so I thought I would post it here instead of starting a new thread.

USA completes a prisoner swap between the Russian held American basketball player held for possessing cannabis oil and a USA held Russian arms dealer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63905112

Delighted for Brittney Griner but IMO it runs the risk of Russia detaining more foreign nationals on BS charges knowing that it can use them in exchange for their own high tariff nationals. Risky move by Biden.

Likewise. Basically paid off hostage takers. Yes she was stupid to take it into Russia, but she's been treated disgustingly and paraded like a show pony. More than this the man exchanged was once the world's most wanted man. Due to him some of the world's worst atrocities happened, from helping the slaughter of Albanians to arming bin laden. Pretty crap all round

[Jones28]

Not on the topic of Ukraine but Russia related so I thought I would post it here instead of starting a new thread.

USA completes a prisoner swap between the Russian held American basketball player held for possessing cannabis oil and a USA held Russian arms dealer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63905112

Delighted for Brittney Griner but IMO it runs the risk of Russia detaining more foreign nationals on BS charges knowing that it can use them in exchange for their own high tariff nationals. Risky move by Biden.

At least nobodies travelling to Russia at the moment.

[Hibbyradge]

At least nobodies travelling to Russia at the moment.

They shouldn't be travelling there either.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1602314321274494981?s=46&t=ZAW31u4F7oszzzpmEI4uGQ

Russian banks running out of money?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Slovakia to send mig fighter jets, Germany supposedly close to sending modern leopard tanks also 👏

https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/slovak-foreign-minister-slovakia-remains-ready-to-send-mi-g-jets-to-ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

He's done the same every time. They pay him his aid, then he agrees, the same will happen in around a week or two's time

A week

Sándor Zsíros
@EuroSandor
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47m
Breaking news: Hungary gave up its veto on Ukraine loan fascility and on the global minimum tax package to secure a deal on EU funds

[Glory Lurker]

What's the story with Sunak's audit? About making sure we get value for our support? And we thought Bojo was bought by the Russians.

Every gun, every bullet, every missile is protecting us, you bloody idiot.

[Stairway 2 7]

What's the story with Sunak's audit? About making sure we get value for our support? And we thought Bojo was bought by the Russians.

Every gun, every bullet, every missile is protecting us, you bloody idiot.

Sunaks an old fashioned ****bag tort who would sell his granny for a pound, he'll screw anyone if it saves him money.

We were fortunate that boris was just a complete imbecile. He got excited about trying to be Churchill, like a child. Wallace is military so probably sees Ukraine is defending us all as you say.

Thankfully eastern Europe and the US are heavily backing Ukraine, as I would be petrified if it was up to the Tories

[Smartie]

Sunaks an old fashioned ****bag tort who would sell his granny for a pound, he'll screw anyone if it saves him money.

We were fortunate that boris was just a complete imbecile. He got excited about trying to be Churchill, like a child. Wallace is military so probably sees Ukraine is defending us all as you say.

Thankfully eastern Europe and the US are heavily backing Ukraine, as I would be petrified if it was up to the Tories

Especially these Tories - you know, the ones whose leader’s wife still has significant business interests in Russia.

You could easily see Sunak becoming very compromised indeed.

[Hibrandenburg]

The first of Germany's new LNG ports has been completed in Wilhelmshaven. These new ports are designed to reduce German dependency on Russian gas.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-scholz-opens-countrys-first-lng-terminal/a-64134715

[Jim44]

Especially these Tories - you know, the ones whose leader’s wife still has significant business interests in Russia.

You could easily see Sunak becoming very compromised indeed.

Let’s not forget that Sunak’s wife’s father is a personal friend and admirer of Putin. Every time Sunak says we support Ukraine, he’ll have his fingers crossed behind his back, inwardly praying for the opposite.

[Stairway 2 7]

Will be due to public pressure and the Will of both sides of the chamber at Westminster. Noticed yesterday on top of this they announced they are sending brimstone 2 missles, a decent upgrade for Ukraine

Maxim Tucker
@MaxRTucker
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UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak will tomorrow announce the supply of “hundreds of thousands” of artillery rounds to Ukraine as part of a £250 million ammunition contract. It’s intended to “ensure a constant flow of critical artillery ammunition to Ukraine throughout 2023”

[StevieC]

Will be due to public pressure and the Will of both sides of the chamber at Westminster. Noticed yesterday on top of this they announced they are sending brimstone 2 missles, a decent upgrade for Ukraine

Maxim Tucker
@MaxRTucker
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55m
UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak will tomorrow announce the supply of “hundreds of thousands” of artillery rounds to Ukraine as part of a £250 million ammunition contract. It’s intended to “ensure a constant flow of critical artillery ammunition to Ukraine throughout 2023”

“£250 million ammunition contract”

My concern when I hear words like “contract” is that after the war Ukraine is in so much debt to its Western “allies” that the rebuilding of Ukraine and the economy are so tied down that it takes decades before the majority of Ukraines are able to return to the levels they were at before the war.

At one point I was travelling to Ukraine and getting just over 8 grievna to the £, it’s now at 45 grievna!!

[WhileTheChief..]

“£250 million ammunition contract”

My concern when I hear words like “contract” is that after the war Ukraine is in so much debt to its Western “allies” that the rebuilding of Ukraine and the economy are so tied down that it takes decades before the majority of Ukraines are able to return to the levels they were at before the war.

At one point I was travelling to Ukraine and getting just over 8 grievna to the £, it’s now at 45 grievna!!

I think I read that the UK/US/EU are trying to seize Russia’s assets held abroad to be used to help rebuild UKR.

Russian should also be made to pay for as long as it takes. If UK and other country’s arms’ sectors benefit, that seems reasonable.

There will also be massive aid provided by the Western allies for years afterwards!

[Stairway 2 7]

“£250 million ammunition contract”

My concern when I hear words like “contract” is that after the war Ukraine is in so much debt to its Western “allies” that the rebuilding of Ukraine and the economy are so tied down that it takes decades before the majority of Ukraines are able to return to the levels they were at before the war.

At one point I was travelling to Ukraine and getting just over 8 grievna to the £, it’s now at 45 grievna!!

There is no doubt the Ukrainian economy is destroyed unfortunately. The infrastructure damage will be in the massive amount of billions. There is only one nation to blame for that and I hope they pay.

There is fortunately massive amounts of free aid being given. But also lots of aid will be a debt. I'm sure the Ukrainians are happy to have this also rather than the consequences of not having it. I'm hopeful Ukraine will get good support post war. It'll certainly be better than somewhere like allepo which is basically still rubble

[Renfrew_Hibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64026344

[WhileTheChief..]

If Putin send troops into Belarus and effectively annexes the country, how would we expect the West to respond??

[Hibrandenburg]

If Putin send troops into Belarus and effectively annexes the country, how would we expect the West to respond??

Depends on how Belarus responds.

[Ozyhibby]

Depends on how Belarus responds.

I think that has already happened anyway. I doubt we respond at all. I think if Belorussian people rise up again then they won’t be short of covert help but that’s it.


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[Stairway 2 7]

If Putin send troops into Belarus and effectively annexes the country, how would we expect the West to respond??

He'll not as he is using everything to hold Ukrainian advance. Phillips OBrien talks about Russia talking about an advance soon

[Stairway 2 7]

I think that has already happened anyway. I doubt we respond at all. I think if Belorussian people rise up again then they won’t be short of covert help but that’s it.


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Belarus has been annexed a long time ago. Pretty much what they hoped for in Ukraine, a puppet government

[WhileTheChief..]

He'll not as he is using everything to hold Ukrainian advance. Phillips OBrien talks about Russia talking about an advance soon

Just thinking that if Putin is telling Belarus to invade from the North, and they refuse, he could easily send troops in there and effectively take control.

Lukashenko would probably do a runner at the first sign of trouble leaving the way clear.

[Stairway 2 7]

Just thinking that if Putin is telling Belarus to invade from the North, and they refuse, he could easily send troops in there and effectively take control.

Lukashenko would probably do a runner at the first sign of trouble leaving the way clear.

Belarusian army would get slaughtered if they went into Ukraine and it would leave lukashenko vulnerable with no army.

He'll do and has done all he can to not send his army, although if forced he'll have no choice.

Russia already uses all the Belarusian bases as their own just now anyway.

[WhileTheChief..]

Just been watching a Times Radio thing that was saying the Belarusian army has basically told Lukashenko they won't fight in UKR.

They're also reporting that he's been out of the country for ages.

[Smartie]

Just been watching a Times Radio thing that was saying the Belarusian army has basically told Lukashenko they won't fight in UKR.

They're also reporting that he's been out of the country for ages.

Yeah, I suspect their army would fight Lukashenko (and possibly Putin) before they'd fight Ukraine.

[Glory Lurker]

Do Russia and Belarus have an alliance?

[Smartie]

Do Russia and Belarus have an alliance?

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1604814772658061312

I know this doesn't answer your question but I watched this interview earlier. Lukashenko himself appeared to get a bit prickly around talk of an alliance with Russia when being interviewed by the BBC's Steve Rosenberg.

[Glory Lurker]

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1604814772658061312

I know this doesn't answer your question but I watched this interview earlier. Lukashenko himself appeared to get a bit prickly around talk of an alliance with Russia when being interviewed by the BBC's Steve Rosenberg.

What a snivelling wee lapdog. My question came from me thinking what the implications would be of us taking some sort of action against him. I suppose it would just precipitate an anti-nazi invasion by Russia so wouldn't get us far.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1605323065553977345?s=46&t=YFqz_Qa_8L1KctnVcE8kLg

Zelensky going to Washington. Great move by him. First time he has left Ukraine. Today’s visit to Bakhmut was a smart move.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Zelensky has arrived in the US. The announcement of patriot air defenses and a big increase in HIMARS expected 👏

[Bristolhibby]

Zelensky has arrived in the US. The announcement of patriot air defenses and a big increase in HIMARS expected 👏

That’s great news. Patriot is a game changer. Long range air defence. Sweep the skies of Russian Aircraft and more importantly, missiles and long range UAS.

Get the country’s electricity, infrastructure and war production back to full capacity.

I cannot stress enough the needs for industrial production to be stepped up in the West.

Logistics will win this war. And we are a key part of that supply chain.

J

[WhileTheChief..]

^^ At the same, UKR are developing drones that can reach up to 1000 into Russia, meaning they can strike more airbases to prevent the drones attacks on themselves.

It also means Russia needs to move its airforce even further back from the border.

[StevieC]

Your country needs you 👉

https://twitter.com/Lizard_Jim8/status/1605476908942077952?t=6dekkbOE8WRP81xMKlM7EA&s=19

[Stairway 2 7]

Horrifying report from sky on abducted Ukrainian orphans.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DominicWaghorn/status/1605613609266053120

@DominicWaghorn
Our exclusive on evidence Russian soldiers abducted Ukrainian orphans during their occupation of Kherson

[Stairway 2 7]

Absolutely fantastic work by the ny times again getting the evidence on Bucha. Still some say it didn't happen

https://archive.ph/LDneV

When videos and photos emerged in April showing bodies of dozens of civilians strewn along a street in Bucha, Ukrainians and the rest of the world voiced horror and outrage. But in Russia, officials had a completely different reaction: denial.

[Stairway 2 7]

What a thread from a Russian journalist on what 2023 will bring, from infighting to the already increasing gun crime in Russian regions

https://mobile.twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1606249858926612485

[Ozyhibby]

What a thread from a Russian journalist on what 2023 will bring, from infighting to the already increasing gun crime in Russian regions

https://mobile.twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1606249858926612485

I read that. It’s fascinating to watch. Just now they are managing to convince some people that everything is ok and the are weathering the storm but the foundations of their society have been completely eroded. There are lots of stories just now of banks running out of money and atm’s being empty. Eventually I think there will be a complete collapse. And I don’t think it’s that far away. I don’t think Russian people care a jot about Ukrainians dying but when they realise there is no money left then things will start to happen.


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[Smartie]

What a thread from a Russian journalist on what 2023 will bring, from infighting to the already increasing gun crime in Russian regions

https://mobile.twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1606249858926612485

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1606347049284165632?cxt=HHwWgICjqa2I8sosAAAA

Interesting to compare it to the Russian propaganda machine's vision for the future in Europe.

[Stairway 2 7]

I read that. It’s fascinating to watch. Just now they are managing to convince some people that everything is ok and the are weathering the storm but the foundations of their society have been completely eroded. There are lots of stories just now of banks running out of money and atm’s being empty. Eventually I think there will be a complete collapse. And I don’t think it’s that far away. I don’t think Russian people care a jot about Ukrainians dying but when they realise there is no money left then things will start to happen.


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We all know the ruble was propped up as who internationally wants them. But it's still collapsing this month, even the pound is hammering it ha

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1606347049284165632?cxt=HHwWgICjqa2I8sosAAAA

Interesting to compare it to the Russian propaganda machine's vision for the future in Europe.

That's brilliant ha. The cold reality is gas prices are back to normal and all countries have set up supplies away from Russia going forward. Such a ridiculous way to destroy your countries future and for what

[Stairway 2 7]

Tremendous article from the BBC about a father and son fighting for Ukraine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63887570

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/chuckpfarrer/status/1606770808671547392?s=46&t=B_GlZUQ6Njwy6ln7NrbfBg


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1607355691551064064?s=46&t=eni7rNWnBXH0a9EFiQOOTg

All the recent chat about Russia running out of ammo seems to have some substance?


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[Ozyhibby]

We all know the ruble was propped up as who internationally wants them. But it's still collapsing this month, even the pound is hammering it ha

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1607369751663198208?s=46&t=eni7rNWnBXH0a9EFiQOOTg


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[judas]

That's brilliant ha. The cold reality is gas prices are back to normal and all countries have set up supplies away from Russia going forward. Such a ridiculous way to destroy your countries future and for what

I don’t think gas prices are anywhere near normal.

Not sure why you would say that.

[greenlex]

I don’t think gas prices are anywhere near normal.

Not sure why you would say that.
Wholesale gas prices are near as dam it close to where they were pre Russias invasion of Ukraine. The price to you and me is going nowhere until April where it will rise again. It’s everything to do with lifting the price cap and little to do with Worldwide events.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1607425817595764738?s=46&t=jEdw38wIKZa6k0VWUWUpCQ

These guys need to start being more careful around windows.


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[judas]

Wholesale gas prices are near as dam it close to where they were pre Russias invasion of Ukraine. The price to you and me is going nowhere until April where it will rise again. It’s everything to do with lifting the price cap and little to do with Worldwide events.

Normal gas prices are at around 50p/therm (they’ve been as low a 13p/therm in the past 5 years.

The levels in the months before the invasion were high due to the post Covid demand surge and growing disquiet in Ukraine.

No predictions show a meaningful fall in natural gas prices in the next 2 years.

Sadly Russia will continue to benefit.

[Stairway 2 7]

I don’t think gas prices are anywhere near normal.

Not sure why you would say that.

As lex says. The wholesale gas prices and futures prices are a fraction of what they were in the summer, about what they were pre war. Unfortunately we pay our bills on what they expected the price to be. Its all a big scam to be honest and it's us that suffer for it

Prices are back to roughly as low as they have been since early 21. Pre covid, pre war has no bearing on reality now. Fact is prices are less than a third of what they were in the summer. A massive massive fall

[Stairway 2 7]

5 bombers damaged deep inside Russia at engels Air base. Will be deeply embarrassing as its the second time its been hit

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1607471981997314051

[judas]

As lex says. The wholesale gas prices and futures prices are a fraction of what they were in the summer, about what they were pre war. Unfortunately we pay our bills on what they expected the price to be. Its all a big scam to be honest and it's us that suffer for it

Prices are back to roughly as low as they have been since early 21. Pre covid, pre war has no bearing on reality now. Fact is prices are less than a third of what they were in the summer. A massive massive fall

Yep. Aware of the difference between wholesale gas prices and what we pay. Also understand the short and long term buying strategies.

I’m just saying that Natural Gas is selling high and the predictions are for it to remain so in both short and long term.

Comparing wholesale price now to that just before the invasion is flawed as the price at that time was at an inflated level post covid.

That logjam is being diminished but the Ukraine disaster keeps gas prices well above where they would / should ordinarily be and that is to Russias advantage.

Naturally we all want Ukraine to win, but we are in danger of telling ourselves what we want to hear. Again that’s probably natural.

[Ozyhibby]

Yep. Aware of the difference between wholesale gas prices and what we pay. Also understand the short and long term buying strategies.

I’m just saying that Natural Gas is selling high and the predictions are for it to remain so in both short and long term.

Comparing wholesale price now to that just before the invasion is flawed as the price at that time was at an inflated level post covid.

That logjam is being diminished but the Ukraine disaster keeps gas prices well above where they would / should ordinarily be and that is to Russias advantage.

Naturally we all want Ukraine to win, but we are in danger of telling ourselves what we want to hear. Again that’s probably natural.

I think we need rather than want Ukraine to win.


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[judas]

I think we need rather than want Ukraine to win.


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Agreed. It’s a must win.

[Glory Lurker]

Agreed. It’s a must win.

It is but real victory will require the Russian establishment to be destroyed and I'm not sure how achievable that will be. Military defeat would surely, you'd think, mean the end for Putin but will it prompt a meaningful introspection in the Russian population? Will they resist the replacement of Putin by whoever the next gangsters in line are?

I worry that won't happen or at the very least there will remain powerful super nationalist elements nursing a grudge. Germany post WW1, rather than post WW2 then.

There is no question at all that we must do all we can to ensure Russia loses in Ukraine. How we stop them dreaming some other atrocity up is possibly more difficult.

[Ozyhibby]

It is but real victory will require the Russian establishment to be destroyed and I'm not sure how achievable that will be. Military defeat would surely, you'd think, mean the end for Putin but will it prompt a meaningful introspection in the Russian population? Will they resist the replacement of Putin by whoever the next gangsters in line are?

I worry that won't happen or at the very least there will remain powerful super nationalist elements nursing a grudge. Germany post WW1, rather than post WW2 then.

There is no question at all that we must do all we can to ensure Russia loses in Ukraine. How we stop them dreaming some other atrocity up is possibly more difficult.

I doubt there is any chance of a democracy springing up. The Russian people are incapable of making it happen. Best we can hope for is another dictator happy enough with stealing all the wealth of the Russian oil and gas fields but who isn’t interested in any cross border adventures.


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[greenlex]

I doubt there is any chance of a democracy springing up. The Russian people are incapable of making it happen. Best we can hope for is another dictator happy enough with stealing all the wealth of the Russian oil and gas fields but who isn’t interested in any cross border adventures.


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We will be working away in the background helping such an individual eventually take control. Probably need to keep them away from windows and tea.

[Just Alf]

Another one!


BBC News - Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov dies in Indian hotel fall
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64101437

[davy67 +]

Another one!


BBC News - Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov dies in Indian hotel fall
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64101437

These critics of Putin seem to be terribly clumsy

[Stairway 2 7]

Yep. Aware of the difference between wholesale gas prices and what we pay. Also understand the short and long term buying strategies.

I’m just saying that Natural Gas is selling high and the predictions are for it to remain so in both short and long term.

Comparing wholesale price now to that just before the invasion is flawed as the price at that time was at an inflated level post covid.

That logjam is being diminished but the Ukraine disaster keeps gas prices well above where they would / should ordinarily be and that is to Russias advantage.

Naturally we all want Ukraine to win, but we are in danger of telling ourselves what we want to hear. Again that’s probably natural.

Look at the ural price not the world price. Its back to pretty much the average over the last 10 years. The US and Kazakhstan selling at a premium doesn't help Russia thanks to the price cap. Also pretty much all European countries have found other routes of getting gas. This will hammer Russia for the next 10 years.

Regardless oil and gas isn't saving Russia they have just lost 20 years of gdp growth and it won't end there.

As for what happens to Russia next I'm not that fussy as long as they are out Ukraine. Scandinavia and Ukraine will be in the EU and at least a pact with nato. Ukraines weapons have gone from Soviet to modern and with one of the best air defenses in Europe. Russia had its chance to take Ukraine, it won't be able to in future

[WhileTheChief..]

I doubt there is any chance of a democracy springing up. The Russian people are incapable of making it happen. Best we can hope for is another dictator happy enough with stealing all the wealth of the Russian oil and gas fields but who isn’t interested in any cross border adventures.


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I think Russia as we know it will cease to exist and will be replaced by several new countries or blocs made up from individual regions.

They're nothing now. A third world country living in the past. UKR, Germany and Poland will be the new powers in Europe and there's nowt Russia can do about it.

To the East, Japan are re-arming on a colossal scale. The isn't just for defence, they'll soon be taking back their claimed lands.

And China aren't Russia's friends. They're just opportunistic thugs looking out for themselves. Although it looks like they've realised they took the wrong side and are making early moves to cozy back with the US again.

So that leaves Russia as pals with N Korea. Good luck with that.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/russian-ex-army-chief-dies-putin-tank-factory/

I think Putin’s grip must be weakening just now that these incidents are happening more frequently.


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[LewysGot2]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/russian-ex-army-chief-dies-putin-tank-factory/

I think Putin’s grip must be weakening just now that these incidents are happening more frequently.


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Like some sick advent calendar where every window opened sees an oligarch fall out...

[BS44]

A military expert was on LBC the other night saying he expects that Russia will receive ballistic missles from N Korea and Iran, Ukraine won't get the Patriot defence system for another couple of months so the bombardment of the cities will continue.

He thinks Ukraine will keep pushing and Russia to bunker down during the winter, mentioned a area that if Ukraine can breakthrough it would force the Russians to retreat 40 miles to their previous defensive line

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/intermarium24/status/1608133663123820545?t=FPMe5i2NmOJYcBb5J-lIUA&s=19

Ukrainian police raided a bot farm spreading pro-Russia disinformation.

Interesting to see what one of these looks like.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230101/968042a81a70ec76c0167dc8bdf5b095.jpg

The letter from the defence attaché.


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[judas]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230101/968042a81a70ec76c0167dc8bdf5b095.jpg

The letter from the defence attaché.


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Not very re-assuring and a reminder of how decadent the UK became.

And now, a war with a long way to go with no way of knowing how it will end.

[Glory Lurker]

I know it's not as simple as this, but my resolution is for Russia to lose this war as soon as possible.

[judas]

I know it's not as simple as this, but my resolution is for Russia to lose this war as soon as possible.

Yes but they won’t - not soon anyway. No chance of it imho.

You want to tune in to Stairway.

[Stairway 2 7]

Three quarters of military experts said Russia would win in a week, some even said they would be welcomed in some cities. Only a few have been correct all the way through, from the push back in the North to the taking of Kherson. I give them my most attention and will if they keep getting everything right.

Particularly Phillips OBrien. Here's how he says Ukraine could win the war in 2023, he said Ukraine would win pre war
https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/thinking-ahead-how-ukraine-might?sd=pf

And Dr Mike Martin who has been uncannily correct. Here's what his expectations are for the next stage
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThreshedThought/status/1607311824566849537

[Stairway 2 7]

Multiple reports including Russians, saying hundreds of Russian soldiers dead in a HIMARS strike.

https://mobile.twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1609688836967378950

[Ozyhibby]

Multiple reports including Russians, saying hundreds of Russian soldiers dead in a HIMARS strike.

https://mobile.twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1609688836967378950

Huge ammo dump hit tonight as well.


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[judas]

Three quarters of military experts said Russia would win in a week, some even said they would be welcomed in some cities. Only a few have been correct all the way through, from the push back in the North to the taking of Kherson. I give them my most attention and will if they keep getting everything right.

Particularly Phillips OBrien. Here's how he says Ukraine could win the war in 2023, he said Ukraine would win pre war
https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/thinking-ahead-how-ukraine-might?sd=pf

And Dr Mike Martin who has been uncannily correct. Here's what his expectations are for the next stage
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThreshedThought/status/1607311824566849537

Many thanks for this. Very interesting read.

But I think many of the projections assume that Russia will act almost like a primitive computer programme, that does not have the capacity to adapt and change its tactics:

[Ozyhibby]

Many thanks for this. Very interesting read.

But I think many of the projections assume that Russia will act almost like a primitive computer programme, that does not have the capacity to adapt and change its tactics:

To be fair, they haven’t shown much ability to adapt so far? I think the Russian plan just now is just to throw more bodies at it.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Many thanks for this. Very interesting read.

But I think many of the projections assume that Russia will act almost like a primitive computer programme, that does not have the capacity to adapt and change its tactics:

As one of the articles says they are going on the fact that it's the same tactics as chechnya and a decade in Ukraine, almost a year of this war. The could have wholesale changes in their military but it isn't happening just yet and would take years. Almost 10,000 poor souls thrown at taking Bakhmut a pretty insignificant town, shows this

I'm pretty certain Ukraine can win, but unsure if they get told to leave crimea.

[Stairway 2 7]

How the public in sumy held off the Russians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/02/how-sumy-residents-kept-russian-forces-out-of-their-city?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[KdyHby]

How the public in sumy held off the Russians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/02/how-sumy-residents-kept-russian-forces-out-of-their-city?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Incredible reading, thanks for sharing this.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230103/f77502a9374ed3160fea9e2a1787e54a.jpg
This is very impressive from the Germans.


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[BS44]

This might be of interest to some of us on here, it was on BBC 2 this evening. It is called Ukraine: The people's fight and is about Ukrainian volunteers fighting on the front line.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001grdw

Telegraph short review of the programme.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukraine-the-peoples-fight-review-a-stunning-film-about-the-amateur-soldiers-taking-on-putin/ar-AA15YJB8

[Stairway 2 7]

France to send tanks to Ukraine, Germany next hopefully

https://mobile.twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1610706082514485249

[JeMeSouviens]

Don't know if any of you follow Julia Davis (Russian Media Monitor) on twitter? Some of the stuff on her timeline from their Hogmanay tv specials is pure Hunger Games. Unreal.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1610347903263948801

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230106/f23235b4749c62c607177f65d6d94317.jpg
This warm winter has been good for the war effort.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Putin goes on TV and announces a 7 hour ceasefire for orthodox Christmas. Half an hour into Russia sends a load of missles so Ukrainians have to go to shelters.

Solomiia Bobrovska
@Bobrovska_MP
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13:39 Kyiv time. 14:39 Moscow time. Air raid sirens all over Ukraine. This is how the Russian "unilateral ceasefire" works. Bloody liars and hypocrites

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/olganyc1211/status/1611378918694735873?s=46&t=CBASCi2ACtIvYBYADDia4w


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[Stairway 2 7]

Germany and the USA to send a large number of infantry fighting vehicles. US approves biggest single aid package yet 3 billion dollars

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-germany-and-us-to-send-armored-vehicles/a-64292899?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf
Ukraine updates: Germany and US to send armored vehicles
Published 01/05/2023Published January 5, 2023last updated 01/05/2023last updated January 5, 2023
Kyiv will receive a significant upgrade in firepower from Germany and the United States

[monktonharp]

Not been on this site for a while, but, outrageous stuff from F.Russia . Trying now to use " hristianity" to justify their terror . However, I have been collecting as much winter clothing,batteries/ torches etc etc and taking them to a dispatch point just out of Edin. and will continue to do so for as long as needed. I worked down the pit with some great auld " Ukes" many years ago, hence my empathy of their children's situation. PM me if u have stuff! Slava Ukraini !

[Keith_M]

So the Orthodox Church in Russia have been placated by a temporary ceasefire so they can carry on with their religious celebration.... but their Christianity doesn't extend to condemning the murder of innocent people in the Ukraine?


Is it any wonder I have a deep disdain for organized religions and their total hypocrisy?

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1612510265618333697

The UK weighs supplying #Ukraine with Challenger 2 tanks

[Stairway 2 7]

Archer air defenses from sweeden and 90 tanks from Czech Republic, support definitely stepping up in 2023

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1612542123441528852

[Stairway 2 7]

Russian ural gas prices crumbling with no where to sell. Lowest prices since mid 2017. Pre war made up 22% of gdp and now 17% and tumbling

https://mobile.twitter.com/bert_gilfoyle/status/1612525751601082368

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230110/5d33dc2c49cbbdb60942290c432eb105.jpg
This has been a year with sky high oil and gas prices as well. Next year will be many many times worse and he can’t finance by borrowing. He will have to turn on the printing press big time. The state will likely collapse before the war is won.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230110/5d33dc2c49cbbdb60942290c432eb105.jpg
This has been a year with sky high oil and gas prices as well. Next year will be many many times worse and he can’t finance by borrowing. He will have to turn on the printing press big time. The state will likely collapse before the war is won.


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Forbes says they now have 88 billionaires, down 35 from last year.

[DaveF]

Forbes says they now have 88 billionaires, down 35 from last year.

A good number of those 35 probably fell out of windows.

[Stairway 2 7]

A good number of those 35 probably fell out of windows.

Ha bizarre but true

[Stairway 2 7]

Modern tanks are coming

The #British government has announced its intention to supply #Ukraine with tanks.

📰 Financial Times

@visegrad24


President Duda announces that Poland will transfer 14 Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine

[Lendo]

Two British aid workers “found” dead by Wagner troops.

Stories now disappeared from the BBC Website

[Stairway 2 7]

Two British aid workers “found” dead by Wagner troops.

Pity it will be Russia that investigates the deaths. Incredibly brave kind people that would do the things they were doing

[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/kDDAhb0xIPI

Interesting video of the coming civil war in Russia.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Hopefully it will push Germany to allow Poland, Denmark and Finland to be able to send their leopard tanks that needs Scholz ok.

@BBCBreaking
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The UK will provide Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak confirms during a call with President Zelensky https://bbc.in/3iCvuyu

[Ozyhibby]

Hopefully it will push Germany to allow Poland, Denmark and Finland to be able to send their leopard tanks that needs Scholz ok.

@BBCBreaking
·
The UK will provide Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak confirms during a call with President Zelensky https://bbc.in/3iCvuyu

Pretty sure that’s the purpose of it because the German tanks is what is really needed. They are much better suited to Ukrainian needs.
UK tanks are as much symbolic given the logistic it will need to run just 12 tanks.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1614382975709515776?s=46&t=qZ156_MOtq1RrWXojGh2Nw

Massive missile strike in Dnipro today.


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[judas]

https://youtu.be/kDDAhb0xIPI

Interesting video of the coming civil war in Russia.


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Fascinating. I think Stairway was saying something similar about the disparate groups on the Russian side.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/jayinkyiv/status/1614382975709515776?s=46&t=qZ156_MOtq1RrWXojGh2Nw

Massive missile strike in Dnipro today.


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When you're economy is tanking, there is nothing like using a £2 million missile to blow up kids

https://mobile.twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1614533755187740674
Russian horrible missile strike on a residential house in Dnipro: update (morning Jan 15)

20 dead
73 wounded, including 14 kids,
40 in hospitals, incl 4 in reanimation, hard condition

more people (dead and alive) can be found under ruins

[Stairway 2 7]

Confirmation of modern tanks being sent to Ukraine

@bayraktar_1love
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8h
The Prime Minister of the UK @RishiSunak has officially announced that 🇬🇧 will send to 🇺🇦:
- A squadron of 14 Challenger 2 tanks
- Around 30 AS90s 155mm self-propelled guns
The UK will begin training the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the coming days
https://gov.uk/government/new

[Bridge hibs]

Confirmation of modern tanks being sent to Ukraine

@bayraktar_1love
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8h
The Prime Minister of the UK @RishiSunak has officially announced that 🇬🇧 will send to 🇺🇦:
- A squadron of 14 Challenger 2 tanks
- Around 30 AS90s 155mm self-propelled guns
The UK will begin training the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the coming days
https://gov.uk/government/newIf that was a hypersonic missile as has been suggested on that tweet what defence to Ukraine have against them if that one managed to land in Dnipro, have those been used before ?

[Stairway 2 7]

If that was a hypersonic missile as has been suggested on that tweet what defence to Ukraine have against them if that one managed to land in Dnipro, have those been used before ?

Nothing really unfortunately, about 250 have been used so far. The US say Russia has used about 70% of their stocks so far i think. They assume they won't use many more as they need them for their nuclear arsenal. The can build about 2 a month also, but were using much more than this, particularly at the beginning

[Ozyhibby]

If that was a hypersonic missile as has been suggested on that tweet what defence to Ukraine have against them if that one managed to land in Dnipro, have those been used before ?

Biggest defence against them is that Russia don’t have that many or the means to produce lots. It’s a very inefficient use of that weapon.
Using that weapon there probably points to deeper problems in the supply of other cheaper missile in Russia.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Neutrality means sitting back as bairns get blown up. Attacking weapons is one thing, are defenses is just pathetic. Enjoy your nazi gold and annoying clocks


@TrentTelenko
English:

Switzerland does not agree that Spain will transfer the Toledo anti-aircraft system (missile and artillery, with Aspide missiles and 35 mm barrel sets) to Ukraine. Approval is required because the system contains many Swiss components

[Glory Lurker]

Neutrality means sitting back as bairns get blown up. Attacking weapons is one thing, are defenses is just pathetic. Enjoy your nazi gold and annoying clocks


@TrentTelenko
English:

Switzerland does not agree that Spain will transfer the Toledo anti-aircraft system (missile and artillery, with Aspide missiles and 35 mm barrel sets) to Ukraine. Approval is required because the system contains many Swiss components

Ah, neutral Switzerland. Banks stuffed full of ropey cash from all over.

[Eaststand]

Ah, neutral Switzerland. Banks stuffed full of ropey cash from all over.

That's true about Switzerland, but at least their flag's a big plus.

GGTTH

[Stairway 2 7]

That's true about Switzerland, but at least their flag's a big plus.

GGTTH

Yaas ha

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/ruby_monymony90/status/1614688535734546432?s=46&t=IW6ZMSzpfc6TKN2jEao3XQ


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[Kato]

Wrong thread
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[Stairway 2 7]

Lives turned upside down

https://mobile.twitter.com/dwnews/status/1615345489133682688


DW News
@dwnews
Images of this wrecked family home in Dnipro have gone viral after the Ukrainian army shared a video of a birthday celebration in the same yellow kitchen

[Stairway 2 7]

Brilliant. Ukraine government twitter account posted a picture of the price of gas in every European country. It was meant to be a gotcha at their cheap prices. Unfortunately it has crimea as a part of Ukraine. The unfunny thing is someone will currently be falling out a window

https://mobile.twitter.com/RusEmbSwe/status/1615391927242719244

[tamig]

Brilliant. Ukraine government twitter account posted a picture of the price of gas in every European country. It was meant to be a gotcha at their cheap prices. Unfortunately it has crimea as a part of Ukraine. The unfunny thing is someone will currently be falling out a window

https://mobile.twitter.com/RusEmbSwe/status/1615391927242719244

Russian gov. How could you?

[Stairway 2 7]

Russian gov. How could you?

Yeah obviously Russian. Ukraine doesn't throw its unwanted from windows

[tamig]

Yeah obviously Russian. Ukraine doesn't throw its unwanted from windows

Thats a monumental cock-up from them. Someone will definitely pay. The Swedes lapping it up. And why not?

[Stairway 2 7]

Brilliant step up in language from the EU

@KyivIndependent

⚡️Von der Leyen: West should supply all weapons that Ukraine can handle.

“Ukraine needs all the military equipment that it can handle, and this also includes the advanced systems,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen told CNN

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/chriso_wiki/status/1615626172246773762?s=46&t=b1YFWBVJ5mkgAVwKalc26g


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[Stairway 2 7]

She's brilliant she also said yesterday "We don't know when the war end but we need to make sure that this will end with Ukraine's win."

The support from the baltics and Eastern Europe has been tremendous. I think with young smart populations the power of Europe will head east, Poland for example will be a real power.


https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-membership-ukraine-would-have-prevented-russia-war-finland-sanna-marin-prime-minister-says/

NATO membership for Ukraine would have prevented war, says Finland’s PM
‘We want to become a member of NATO because we don’t ever again want war in Finland,’ says Sanna Marin

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/marqs__/status/1615627260710502400?s=46&t=b1YFWBVJ5mkgAVwKalc26g

Two Ukrainian minister killed on today’s helicopter crash.


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[BS44]

https://twitter.com/marqs__/status/1615627260710502400?s=46&t=b1YFWBVJ5mkgAVwKalc26g

Two Ukrainian minister killed on today’s helicopter crash.


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Nine killed including three children. Sabotage, mechanical problem or bad luck that has caused the crash?

[Ozyhibby]

Nine killed including three children. Sabotage, mechanical problem or bad luck that has caused the crash?

Impossible to say just now although sounds like the weather was very bad.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://ukrainecentral.org/where-have-all-the-men-in-moscow-gone-the-new-york-times/?twclid=2apzzfcecam3r5x0ox60hg7bt

A country of women. Long term we might start to see some smarter decisions.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Kissinger says Ukraine should join nato to protect itself, 10 years to late for them unfortunately

@SlawomirDebski
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Kissinger says..”that NATO membership for Ukraine would be an "appropriate outcome." "The idea of a neutral Ukraine under these conditions is no longer meaningful.”

Only NATO prevents Russia from wagging wars, so even Kissinger is able to connect dots. https://rferl.org/a/kissinger-russia-war-validate-ukraine-nato-bid/32227746.html

[Stairway 2 7]

Surprising comments from Serbian pm Aleksandar Vucic



"Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic demanded to stop recruitment of Serbs in the Russian PMCs. Today Vucic in an interview with Bloomberg said he does not support the invasion and recognizes Crimea and Donbas as part of Ukraine.

"For us Crimea is Ukraine, Donbas is Ukraine. It will remain so,"

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Surprising comments from Serbian pm Aleksandar Vucic



"Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic demanded to stop recruitment of Serbs in the Russian PMCs. Today Vucic in an interview with Bloomberg said he does not support the invasion and recognizes Crimea and Donbas as part of Ukraine.

"For us Crimea is Ukraine, Donbas is Ukraine. It will remain so,"

I would think that is just them seeing which way the wind is blowing now. The amount of weaponry heading to Ukraine in time for the spring is going to have a massive effect.


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[Glory Lurker]

I would think that is just them seeing which way the wind is blowing now. The amount of weaponry heading to Ukraine in time for the spring is going to have a massive effect.


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Or wooing the west before kicking things off in Kosovo?

[Stairway 2 7]

Rumours of a longer range missile coming to Ukraine from the US. I read last week that a longer range weapon that isn't acatcms was coming

https://mobile.twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1615784277978791937

[Stairway 2 7]

The US should just send 10 or so. Ukraine don't want Abrahams. They want leopards as there is maintenence areas in Poland and tank and spares promised from most countries in Europe

https://mobile.twitter.com/WSJ/status/1615791904171466752

The Wall Street Journal
@WSJ
Germany won't allow allies to export German-made tanks to Ukraine unless the U.S. agrees to send its own battle tanks, senior German officials said

[Ozyhibby]

Or wooing the west before kicking things off in Kosovo?

No chance they will go into Kosovo. It’s not in NATO but it is protected by it. NATO has a base there and they are not giving that up anytime soon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel


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[Stairway 2 7]

Estonia to give the equivalent of 1% of its gdp to Ukraine, Sweden agree huge package also

@kajakallas
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Russian aggression has a price to all of us – a price we pay in euros but Ukraine pays in human lives.

That price would be much-much higher for the whole world if aggression paid off.

More information about Estonia’s military aid packagehttps://valitsus.ee/en/news/estonias-military-support-ukraine-will-increase-more-1-gdp…

[Stairway 2 7]

Poland may defy Germany and send tanks

EuromaidanPress
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Poland hints it may send tanks to Ukraine without German nod

“Approval is a secondary issue,” Polish PM Morawiecki said in an interview with Polsat News late on Jan 18. “Either we get this approval soon or we will do ourselves what has to be done.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230119/147558e65c7747cc2652b8d1f37d2ac1.jpg
Fair bit of weaponry being pledged already and meeting not even started properly.


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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230119/147558e65c7747cc2652b8d1f37d2ac1.jpg
Fair bit of weaponry being pledged already and meeting not even started properly.


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Quite a few missing of that list too. Huge amounts keep coming. Lithuania, Slovakia, Latvia, Estonia with big packages, Denmark gives all 19 of their cesar howitzers unbelievably

[Ozyhibby]

Quite a few missing of that list too. Huge amounts keep coming. Lithuania, Slovakia, Latvia, Estonia with big packages, Denmark gives all 19 of their cesar howitzers unbelievably

The fighting this spring is going to be horrific. The only chance it’s not is if Russia collapse.


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[Bridge hibs]

The fighting this spring is going to be horrific. The only chance it’s not is if Russia collapse.


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Utterly depressing, just reading that list of weapons sends a shiver just thinking more thousands of innocent lives obliterated and will continue until that ******* dies or is taken out

[Ozyhibby]

Utterly depressing, just reading that list of weapons sends a shiver just thinking more thousands of innocent lives obliterated and will continue until that ******* dies or is taken out

And the list is going to get a lot bigger over next couple of days.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Utterly depressing, just reading that list of weapons sends a shiver just thinking more thousands of innocent lives obliterated and will continue until that ******* dies or is taken out

True, but the better equipped Ukr are, the less casualties they will take.

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True, but the better equipped Ukr are, the less casualties they will take.
Also true but Putin has also shown that he couldnt give a **** how many perish on both sides, including children. He has used a hypersonic missile recently with no afterthought. Nato can send quadruple that amount as theres no defence against those missiles

Where does it stop ? Putin is not just gonna walk away, sadly, he isnt for negotiation either

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Also true but Putin has also shown that he couldnt give a **** how many perish on both sides, including children. He has used a hypersonic missile recently with no afterthought. Nato can send quadruple that amount as theres no defence against those missiles

Where does it stop ? Putin is not just gonna walk away, sadly, he isnt for negotiation either

It stops when he’s defeated. He won’t survive that internally.


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It stops when he’s defeated. He won’t survive that internally.


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Hope so mate, his henchmen just seem to be his yes men puppets though and appear to be toeing the party line. Is there anyone going to stand up to him ?

Surely even the most sensible of his own men would be concerned at the loss of young innocent children etc and if so he would surely have been stopped in his tracks, it hasnt though. His constant threats towards the world, his use of hypersonic missiles, his men are allowing this to happen, they are as culpable and thats why I dont think he will be ousted anytime soon

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Hope so mate, his henchmen just seem to be his yes men puppets though and appear to be toeing the party line. Is there anyone going to stand up to him ?

Surely even the most sensible of his own men would be concerned at the loss of young innocent children etc and if so he would surely have been stopped in his tracks, it hasnt though. His constant threats towards the world, his use of hypersonic missiles, his men are allowing this to happen, they are as culpable and thats why I dont think he will be ousted anytime soon

I don't think he'll be ousted, but do think he'll be defeated in Ukraine. His stocks are dwindling constantly whilst Ukraine is getting stronger, its inevitable.

I don't think the generals care to much about the deaths as its prisoners and minorities. If they have to have a mobilisation from the young of Moscow and St petersberg then there will be anger.

Unfortunately if I was betting I'd say there will be another 100,000 dead Russians before summer, its depressing

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https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1616160399010811904

@PhillipsPOBrien
An important moment in European support for Ukraine. The Talinn pledge just released by the UK, Baltics, Poland, Netherlands, Slovakia, Czech and Denmark. Full text here
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-the-tallinn-pledge

Starts with a pledge to equip Ukraine with what is needed to drive Russia out of all Ukrainian territory. No qualification, so includes Crimea. Want to hand over equipment to improve Ukrainian capabilities--including the ability to attack Russian logistics and command/control

Then goes on to say they will give Ukraine basically everything they can (except for aircraft). Then throws down the gauntlet to other European states before the Ramstein meeting tommorow.

Followed be a detailed list of what they will deliver. Basically the clearest statement possible that Ukrainian victory is now to be achieved, and that its better to send what they can to Ukraine that hold on to it themselves. Puts real pressure on other states at Ramstein

[cabbageandribs1875]

South Africa announce they will take part in naval wargames with Russia and China

[Glory Lurker]

South Africa announce they will take part in naval wargames with Russia and China

Mind when we used to like them, with that Mandela lad?