Ukraine

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.cityam.com/kremlin-on-high-alert-as-coup-rumours-grow-in-moscow-disgruntled-generals-join-fsb-looking-to-oust-putin-and-end-ukraine-war/

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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.cityam.com/kremlin-on-high-alert-as-coup-rumours-grow-in-moscow-disgruntled-generals-join-fsb-looking-to-oust-putin-and-end-ukraine-war/

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Would be brilliant, can see the chances increasing the better Ukraine do in the next few months

[Ozyhibby]

Would be brilliant, can see the chances increasing the better Ukraine do in the next few months

At some point the Generals (what’s left of them) must be thinking about what’s happening to their army? They are losing kit so quickly just now that you would have to question whether they could defend Russia if it was attacked.


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[Jones28]

https://www.cityam.com/kremlin-on-high-alert-as-coup-rumours-grow-in-moscow-disgruntled-generals-join-fsb-looking-to-oust-putin-and-end-ukraine-war/

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Let this be true, end this ****ing horrible war.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the Swedes are getting it now in Russia Russia labels SWEDEN 'Nazis' as they join NATO after Kremlin claimed Hitler 'had Jewish blood' (theworldnews.net) (https://theworldnews.net/uk-news/russia-labels-sweden-nazis-as-they-join-nato-after-kremlin-claimed-hitler-had-jewish-blood)

Russia has stepped up its propaganda war against Sweden by producing bus stop advertisements accusing the peaceful Scandinavian nation of being Nazis.
The hybrid warfare strategy comes as Sweden prepares for NATO accession, abandoning decades of neutrality in light of Moscow's military aggression towards Ukraine.
The campaign has seen adverts pop up in Russia depicting various Swedish national heroes as Nazis with the slogan: 'We are against Nazism, they are not.'


The Swedish Foreign Ministry acknowledged the poster campaign as the work of Russian group 'Our Victory'.

'In Russia, smears about ''Nazism'' have been used repeatedly against countries and individuals who are critical of Russia's actions.'


Sweden's prime minister, Magdalena Andersson, called the campaign 'completely unacceptable'.
Counter advertisements have appeared outside the Russian embassy in Stockholm with text in Cyrilllic.
At the bottom it says: 'Dear checkists (sic) and other employess at the Russian embassy. Is it hard for you to go to work? Do you feel ashamed at the end of the day? It may soon be too late to defect. Contact us for a consultation on political asylum. Coffee on us!'
This advert in Russian appeared outside the Russian embassy in Stockholm

At the bottom it says: 'Dear checkists (sic) and other employess at the Russian embassy. Is it hard for you to go to work? Do you feel ashamed at the end of the day? It may soon be too late to defect. Contact us for a consultation on political asylum. Coffee on us!' :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61249160

“Stop in any village in the region west of Kyiv, you will hear a story about someone who vanished. A brother who went to take petrol to a friend and never arrived.A father who left his house on an errand and didn't return. A son who drove away at gunpoint

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

The sixth package of #EU sanctions involves refusal to buy #Russian oil within six months and suspension of imports of petroleum products by the end of the year, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing two officials

[Stairway 2 7]

https://apnews.com/article/Russia-ukraine-war-mariupol-theater-c321a196fbd568899841b506afcac7a1

AP evidence points to 600 dead in Mariupol theatre strike.

[Stairway 2 7]

Imagine a 6 month old spending 2 months under ground

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1521841672736448512


Anton Gerashchenko
@Gerashchenko_en
Anna from #Mariupol has spent two months in #Azovstal catacombs with her 6 months old son Sviatoslav.
She managed to get out through the green corridor. But hundreds of civilians remain at the plant

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

The European Union will expand defense assistance to #Moldova. This was stated by the head of the European Council Charles Michel at a meeting with President Maia Sandu in Chișinău.

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

Sberbank leaks to the #Russian authorities information about customers who transfer money for the needs of the AFU, TASS reported

[Mikey]

I haven't watched any news for about a month and I'm not missing it. Is there any sign of this coming to an end any time soon?

[hibsbollah]

I haven't watched any news for about a month and I'm not missing it. Is there any sign of this coming to an end any time soon?

Nope.

[Mikey]

Nope.

Cheers.

[Jim44]

https://www.cityam.com/kremlin-on-high-alert-as-coup-rumours-grow-in-moscow-disgruntled-generals-join-fsb-looking-to-oust-putin-and-end-ukraine-war/

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I’m sceptical of this being a reality but you never know. I would love to see Putin suffering a long slow painful demise.

[Smartie]

I’m sceptical of this being a reality but you never know. I would love to see Putin suffering a long slow painful demise.

Whilst I would too, on a number of levels, I'd quite like to see it be quick and as soon as possible so we can get started asap on what will be a very long road to recovery.

The pessimist in me believes that whoever replaces him will either be similar or possibly worse than Putin himself.

[Jim44]

Whilst I would too, on a number of levels, I'd quite like to see it be quick and as soon as possible so we can get started asap on what will be a very long road to recovery.

The pessimist in me believes that whoever replaces him will either be similar or possibly worse than Putin himself.

In other words, do you think a potential coup would be a reaction to Putin’s lack of success and an attempt to escalate the atrocities? God forbid.

[Smartie]

In other words, do you think a potential coup would be a reaction to Putin’s lack of success and an attempt to escalate the atrocities? God forbid.

I think it's a bit naive to think that Putin exists in isolation. He'll have surrounded himself with those who are like-minded so it's a bit fanciful imo to put this whole affair down to the actions and opinions of one raving madman who if taken out would lead to an automatic end to hostilities and an immediate withdrawal from Ukraine.

When I read about him having cancer surgery, the guy he had lined up to be in temporary charge didn't exactly sound any more of a dove than Putin himself.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10770541/Putin-cancer-operation-near-future-hand-power-hardline-ex-KGB-chief.html

In terms of those who might kill him, there are those who are even more mental than Putin who might be disappointed with the "special operation" and who might not think he's gone far enough - like this guy...

https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1521206815215730694?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1521206815215730694%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pieandbovril.com%2Fforum %2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller %3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fmdmitri9 1%2Fstatus%2F1521206815215730694

Army or the police? They do ok under Putin, they earn comfortably more than your average Russian. That house of cards might come down if Putin was toppled, might be hard to convince them that it's in their interests to take him out, although I do think that certain levels of the military may eventually grow tired of being part of a cannon fodder machine.

Do the moaning oligarchs have what it takes or are they more concerned right now about learning how to operate a hoover for the first time?

The population are pretty petrified and fairly under control right now so a popular uprising seems a way off, although that may change if the economic sanctions start to bite. Beware of people who have nothing to lose, especially if there are a hundred odd million of them.


So I don't know really but I don't think I see anyone bumping him off in the short term.

Medium to long term though? The number of people with the means and the motive will grow.

[Ozyhibby]

I think it's a bit naive to think that Putin exists in isolation. He'll have surrounded himself with those who are like-minded so it's a bit fanciful imo to put this whole affair down to the actions and opinions of one raving madman who if taken out would lead to an automatic end to hostilities and an immediate withdrawal from Ukraine.

When I read about him having cancer surgery, the guy he had lined up to be in temporary charge didn't exactly sound any more of a dove than Putin himself.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10770541/Putin-cancer-operation-near-future-hand-power-hardline-ex-KGB-chief.html

In terms of those who might kill him, there are those who are even more mental than Putin who might be disappointed with the "special operation" and who might not think he's gone far enough - like this guy...

https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1521206815215730694?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1521206815215730694%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pieandbovril.com%2Fforum %2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller %3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fmdmitri9 1%2Fstatus%2F1521206815215730694

Army or the police? They do ok under Putin, they earn comfortably more than your average Russian. That house of cards might come down if Putin was toppled, might be hard to convince them that it's in their interests to take him out, although I do think that certain levels of the military may eventually grow tired of being part of a cannon fodder machine.

Do the moaning oligarchs have what it takes or are they more concerned right now about learning how to operate a hoover for the first time?

The population are pretty petrified and fairly under control right now so a popular uprising seems a way off, although that may change if the economic sanctions start to bite. Beware of people who have nothing to lose, especially if there are a hundred odd million of them.


So I don't know really but I don't think I see anyone bumping him off in the short term.

Medium to long term though? The number of people with the means and the motive will grow.

We won’t know until it happens and after it does it will seem obvious that was how it would happen. I guess right up until it happens it will seem like nothing is happening.


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[hibsbollah]

I think it's a bit naive to think that Putin exists in isolation. He'll have surrounded himself with those who are like-minded so it's a bit fanciful imo to put this whole affair down to the actions and opinions of one raving madman who if taken out would lead to an automatic end to hostilities and an immediate withdrawal from Ukraine.

When I read about him having cancer surgery, the guy he had lined up to be in temporary charge didn't exactly sound any more of a dove than Putin himself.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10770541/Putin-cancer-operation-near-future-hand-power-hardline-ex-KGB-chief.html

In terms of those who might kill him, there are those who are even more mental than Putin who might be disappointed with the "special operation" and who might not think he's gone far enough - like this guy...

https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1521206815215730694?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1521206815215730694%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pieandbovril.com%2Fforum %2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller %3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fmdmitri9 1%2Fstatus%2F1521206815215730694

Army or the police? They do ok under Putin, they earn comfortably more than your average Russian. That house of cards might come down if Putin was toppled, might be hard to convince them that it's in their interests to take him out, although I do think that certain levels of the military may eventually grow tired of being part of a cannon fodder machine.

Do the moaning oligarchs have what it takes or are they more concerned right now about learning how to operate a hoover for the first time?

The population are pretty petrified and fairly under control right now so a popular uprising seems a way off, although that may change if the economic sanctions start to bite. Beware of people who have nothing to lose, especially if there are a hundred odd million of them.


So I don't know really but I don't think I see anyone bumping him off in the short term.

Medium to long term though? The number of people with the means and the motive will grow.

Sensible post. The 'lone madman' stereotype is just that, a stereotype to keep things simple for the consumers of mass media. Whenever a war happens the way its portrayed is from the same tropes playbook. I note that Putin's 'psychopathy' is also being described as 'probably a recent thing', probably because our leaders were all queueing up to be his mate until quite recently.

BBC News | EUROPE | Blair defends 'strong' Putin (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1033670.stm)

[Hibernian Verse]

Sensible post. The 'lone madman' stereotype is just that, a stereotype to keep things simple for the consumers of mass media. Whenever a war happens the way its portrayed is from the same tropes playbook. I note that Putin's 'psychopathy' is also being described as 'probably a recent thing', probably because our leaders were all queueing up to be his mate until quite recently.

BBC News | EUROPE | Blair defends 'strong' Putin (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1033670.stm)

How did you find that?!

"Earlier, Mr Blair dismissed critics of his "special relationship" with President Putin, saying its potential payoff far outweighed the risks."

Is Blair at fault for the infiltration of London?

[hibsbollah]

How did you find that?!

"Earlier, Mr Blair dismissed critics of his "special relationship" with President Putin, saying its potential payoff far outweighed the risks."

Is Blair at fault for the infiltration of London?

It wasnt hard really, type 'Blair and Putin' into a search engine :greengrin Blair has had almost no scrutiny in the press about his Putin links. They had a good personal relationship, Blair was straight over there when Amnesty was calling Chechnya 'genocide', and the deregulation of the City of London made the laundering of all the billions grabbed from the old Soviet Union possible.

[superfurryhibby]

Sensible post. The 'lone madman' stereotype is just that, a stereotype to keep things simple for the consumers of mass media. Whenever a war happens the way its portrayed is from the same tropes playbook. I note that Putin's 'psychopathy' is also being described as 'probably a recent thing', probably because our leaders were all queueing up to be his mate until quite recently.

BBC News | EUROPE | Blair defends 'strong' Putin (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1033670.stm)

You're absolutely right in what you say. There are lots of prominent people who's reputations are sullied by their relationship with Putin, the "lone madman" is a convenience and reeks of the usual disinformation, backtracking, arse covering, all done to protect prominent establishment figures who got too close for palatable comfort.

[grunt]

Another case of sabotage
Astonishing footage of fire bomb attack on Army recruitment office in Russia (I haven't confirmed if this is legit)

https://twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1522201486654066688?s=20&t=7y-J9qmLxC-8Yi1ROt_iqQ

[DaveF]

Astonishing footage of fire bomb attack on Army recruitment office in Russia (I haven't confirmed if this is legit)

https://twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1522201486654066688?s=20&t=7y-J9qmLxC-8Yi1ROt_iqQ

I would not be wearing that distinctive hoody out and about...

[Stairway 2 7]

Astonishing footage of fire bomb attack on Army recruitment office in Russia (I haven't confirmed if this is legit)

https://twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1522201486654066688?s=20&t=7y-J9qmLxC-8Yi1ROt_iqQ

Brave or daft ha 👏

[Stairway 2 7]

Moshe Schwartz
@YWNReporter
·
#BREAKING: Russian President Putin apologized to Israeli Prime Minster Bennett for comments made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov who said that Hitler had Jewish blood and that jews are the biggest antisemites

[Smartie]

Moshe Schwartz
@YWNReporter
·
#BREAKING: Russian President Putin apologized to Israeli Prime Minster Bennett for comments made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov who said that Hitler had Jewish blood and that jews are the biggest antisemites

This is also a bit weird - that they seem to have so quickly gone from "don't back down, double down" to Putin apologising?

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
6m
German CDU parliamentarians
@_FriedrichMerz
and
@RKiesewetter
met with President Zelenskyy in Kyiv, Ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

Great detective journalism

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·
Rosgvardia's Vityaz unit, 76th Airborne Assault Division from Pskov and Chechen troops were involved in the war crimes in #Bucha

Reuters published a major investigation into aftermath of #Russia's retreat from Kyiv region and identified the war criminals

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-bucha-killings-soldiers/

Eyewitness testimony, discarded documents and social media posts point to the Russian soldiers and chain of command in the bloody occupation of the Ukrainian town of Bucha

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/06/german-thinkers-war-of-words-over-ukraine-exposes-generational-divide?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1651810726

The debate in Germany.


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[makaveli1875]

Ukraine claim to have sunk 1 of Russias newest boats the Admiral Makarov . American spy planes have spotted rescue helicopters in the area

[Smartie]

Ukraine claim to have sunk 1 of Russias newest boats the Admiral Makarov . American spy planes have spotted rescue helicopters in the area

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/6-may-raf-rivet-joint-operation-off-crimea-and-south-russia

Surely related, but I see "RAF Rivet joint operation off Crimea and South Russia" on the UA Map.

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/maria_drutska/status/1522524505406595075?cxt=HHwWhoCzqZL-i6EqAAAA

[Andy Bee]

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/6-may-raf-rivet-joint-operation-off-crimea-and-south-russia

Surely related, but I see "RAF Rivet joint operation off Crimea and South Russia" on the UA Map.

There's nearly always a Rivet Joint operating around that area although it did stray into the Black Sea today which is unusual, Stratotankers more inland over Romania and usually a Northrop Grumman USAF drone which has been extensively flying across the Black Sea the last day which isn't uncommon.

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1522593689725460484?cxt=HHwWiICz1Zm5q6EqAAAA

It'll be interesting to see how long this stays up for, to see whether it is genuine or (more likely) a hack or a prank.

[Stairway 2 7]

Russia pays euro bonds in dollars

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/5/5/the-kremlin-blinks-first-in-the-geo-economic-war-over-ukraine

The Kremlin blinks first in the geo-economic war over Ukraine
Russia avoided sovereign default, but at a high cost.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Numerous wild fires popping up all over Siberia, from vast grassland fires in western regions to forest fires in the East.
This is not unusual as it's an annual occurrence. What makes this year different is just how early the season started, March in some areas to just the sheer spread and numbers of individual fires.
Normally fires would be tackled by local military units using military planes, equipment ect.
Of course these units are otherwise occupied right now which has allowed the fires to become massive in places and encroach on villages towns end even cities.
Loss of life is now happening and the major Siberian city of Krasnoyarsk has today declared a state of emergency as the air is now thick with black smoke turning day into night.

[Ozyhibby]

Numerous wild fires popping up all over Siberia, from vast grassland fires in western regions to forest fires in the East.
This is not unusual as it's an annual occurrence. What makes this year different is just how early the season started, March in some areas to just the sheer spread and numbers of individual fires.
Normally fires would be tackled by local military units using military planes, equipment ect.
Of course these units are otherwise occupied right now which has allowed the fires to become massive in places and encroach on villages towns end even cities.
Loss of live is now happening and the major Siberian city of Krasnoyarsk has today declared a state of emergency as the air is now thick with black smoke turning day into night.

It’s not just the military that is missing for fighting the fires. Every year the Poles and Finns usually send hundreds of firefighters and fire trucks. They are not doing it this year.


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[Andy Bee]

It’s not just the military that is missing for fighting the fires. Every year the Poles and Finns usually send hundreds of firefighters and fire trucks. They are not doing it this year.


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So did the Ukrainians, pretty ironic really, the Ukrainians can't help the Russians fight their forest fires because they're busy fighting their own city fires caused by the Russians.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/dwnews/status/1522843943238524928


DW News
@dwnews
TW: depiction of rape

Evidence is growing that Russian soldiers use rape as a weapon of war in Ukraine. In areas retaken by Ukrainian forces, civilians give horrifying accounts of sexual violence and murder

Karina Yershova had just turned 23 when Russian soldiers entered Bucha.

She was kidnapped, tortured & raped before her murder.

They use rape as a tool of genocide.

“We will continue raping Ukrainian women until they can’t give birth to Ukrainian kids

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/bjoernstritzel/status/1522206870894653442

What a sad thread about a 15 year old Ukrainian killed saving animals for a charity. His parents came face to face with captured Russian soldiers minutes after and showed them his blood on their hands

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1522938877366788096

Seeing as they are fighting a nation with no navy, the Russians are losing a heel of alot of ships.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/1523027490230444035?s=21&t=OeWTChhNl7Oi16miD6kVfw

Ukrainians are experts at making sure they can get video of their successes out there.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/1523060229985947648

Reuters
@Reuters
UK to provide 1.3 billion pounds of further military support to Ukraine http://reut.rs/3yiCBS7

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1523209756667748352?s=21&t=iIGQHDy__0a6-eMD7OaaIw

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1523212576422776832?s=12

Zelensky’s victory day speech. Brilliantly done.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/XWIWQgJY1VQ
U2 in Kyiv.


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[stu in nottingham]

One of the most difficult pieces of footage I've seen yet, on the BBC news this evening. A young man of 30 years who volunteered to fight for Ukraine the day after the conflict began, begged by his family not to. Killed by a piece of Russian shrapnel, his father disraught, weeping inconsolably over his dead son's body laid out in an open coffin. Totally broken. The young man's wife brings their five year-old son to the open grave, the boy throws some earth into his dead pappa's grave.

The reality and the evil of war.

Sometimes I lose faith in the human race.

[Stairway 2 7]

Jack Detsch
@JackDetsch
·
Pentagon update on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on Day 75:

• 🇺🇸 has NOW trained 310 🇺🇦 troops on M777 howitzers
• 🇺🇸 has sent 85 of 90 howitzers to 🇺🇦
• 🇺🇸 assesses 🇷🇺 has made "no significant progress" in Donbas
• 🇺🇸 believes some 🇷🇺 troops are not obeying orders

[Keith_M]

One of the most difficult pieces of footage I've seen yet, on the BBC news this evening. A young man of 30 years who volunteered to fight for Ukraine the day after the conflict began, begged by his family not to. Killed by a piece of Russian shrapnel, his father disraught, weeping inconsolably over his dead son's body laid out in an open coffin. Totally broken. The young man's wife brings their five year-old son to the open grave, the boy throws some earth into his dead pappa's grave.

The reality and the evil of war.

Sometimes I lose faith in the human race.



Recently been feelung that a lot, Stu.

The concept of all humans having a sense of decency, deep down, is looking pretty questionable.

[Stairway 2 7]

AFP News Agency
@AFP
·

#BREAKING Kyiv mayor says nearly two-thirds of residents have returned

[Stairway 2 7]

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
·
⚡️ Germany may deliver first batch of 100 Marder infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine in 3 weeks.

Arms supplier Rheinmetall CEO Armin Papperger said in an interview that his company is ready to send Marders to Ukraine but it is waiting for the decision of the federal government

[Stairway 2 7]

AFP News Agency
@AFP
·

#BREAKING Over 1,000 Ukraine fighters, including hundreds injured, still in Azovstal plant

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

⚡️ The #Lithuanian parliament unanimously recognized #Russia as a terrorist state, reports
@LRTenglish
.

The decision was taken in connection with numerous war crimes by #Russian invaders in #Ukraine. The occupiers' atrocities have all the hallmarks of organized genocide

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1523995617181241344

[Oscar T Grouch]

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1523995617181241344

That made me chuckle :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
BREAKING:

UK Secretary of Defense Ben Wallace has stated that the UK is willing to backfill-lend jets to Poland if the country decides to transfer its 28 MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine.

Poland offered the U.S. a similar deal in February, which was ultimately declined

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/09/uk-support-countries-supply-russian-jets-ukraine-ben-wallace

[Jones28]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
BREAKING:

UK Secretary of Defense Ben Wallace has stated that the UK is willing to backfill-lend jets to Poland if the country decides to transfer its 28 MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine.

Poland offered the U.S. a similar deal in February, which was ultimately declined

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/09/uk-support-countries-supply-russian-jets-ukraine-ben-wallace

I didn’t realise we had things like fighter planes anymore.

[Lendo]

I didn’t realise we had things like fighter planes anymore.

The old Harrier fleet was mothballed, perhaps the same for the Tornado GR4s?

[Bristolhibby]

I didn’t realise we had things like fighter planes anymore.

It will be old block 1 Typhoons, we are replacing them with more up to date variants anyway. Plus if we get the Poles flying Typhoons there might be more of an opportunity for Poland to buy them in the future (making more money for BAES and Rolls Royce, etc).

J

[stu in nottingham]

Not aware I've seen anything like this in the UK as yet, albeit small in size.

Convoy of cars flying Russian flags

https://www.newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/convoy-of-cars-flying-russian-flags-through-newark-followed-9253520/

[Ozyhibby]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/11/energy/ukraine-russia-gas-suspension/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=2022-05-11T12%3A45%3A04&utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link
Ukraine starting to cut the Russian gas supply?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/germanynato/status/1524386192963346434?s=21&t=xuNL4ndMplapXVt4Cge6Ig

Germany sending big guns now.[emoji106]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kms_d4k/status/1524506104192974849

Crazy account of how a clever Ukrainian outplayed the Russians, with massive cost

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1524448245539393539

ChrisO
@ChrisO_wiki
Video of an apparent Ukrainian attack on a Russian tank on 6 May is getting much attention for the turret's attempt to go to the Moon. It should be getting a lot more attention, though, for where it happened and what this means for Russia. A short 🧵. /1

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AP Europe
@AP_Europe
· 13h
Britain has pledged to defend Sweden if the country came under attack, with Prime Minister Boris Johnson expected to sign a similar deal with Finland later Wednesday.

Sweden and Finland are thinking of joining NATO following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. http://apne.ws/Q8MOrn6


Mark MacKinnon
@markmackinnon
The Finland deal was just signed too. “Should either country suffer a disaster or an attack, the United Kingdom and Finland will, upon request from the affected country, assist each other in a variety of ways, which may include military means

Boris Johnson may struggle to win another election in the UK, but he’d win a landslide almost anywhere in Eastern Europe

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ISW
@TheStudyofWar
· 8h
As previously assessed, ISW believes Russian battalion tactical groups (BTGs) fighting in Ukraine have been so heavily degraded that counting them is no longer a useful metric of Russian combat power.
@YahooNews: https://news.yahoo.com/russian-offensive-falling-short-across-ukraine-but-the-war-isnt-over-184019320.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

Training of #Ukrainian soldiers to use PzH 2000 howitzers began in #Germany - German Defense Ministry

[Jack]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kms_d4k/status/1524506104192974849

Crazy account of how a clever Ukrainian outplayed the Russians, with massive cost

Crazier still if you read more of the thread!

[lapsedhibee]

AP Europe
@AP_Europe
· 13h
Britain has pledged to defend Sweden if the country came under attack, with Prime Minister Boris Johnson expected to sign a similar deal with Finland later Wednesday.

Sweden and Finland are thinking of joining NATO following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. http://apne.ws/Q8MOrn6


Mark MacKinnon
@markmackinnon
The Finland deal was just signed too. “Should either country suffer a disaster or an attack, the United Kingdom and Finland will, upon request from the affected country, assist each other in a variety of ways, which may include military means

Boris Johnson may struggle to win another election in the UK, but he’d win a landslide almost anywhere in Eastern Europe

Did this Sweden and Finland stuff go through parliament, or did Johnson dream it up himself as he's keen, for his own survival purposes, to get Our Boys properly involved in a conflict? :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/war_mapper/status/1524177753314111490?s=21&t=fWzYamUZ011Vu7_9IPrDMQ

Ukrainians starting to take back territory.


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[Ozyhibby]

Did this Sweden and Finland stuff go through parliament, or did Johnson dream it up himself as he's keen, for his own survival purposes, to get Our Boys properly involved in a conflict? :dunno:

Surely it will have to go through parliament? It will sail through though.


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[lapsedhibee]

Surely it will have to go through parliament? It will sail through though.


TV news showed him signing stuff. Presented as all done and dusted. Johnson implying we are committed to providing whatever support Sweden and Finland request. Interviewer asked him whether that included nucular, and Johnson replied it's up to Sweden and Finland what support they get. He'll be quite happy if a tank or two rolls over the Finnish border.

[s.a.m]

AP Europe
@AP_Europe
· 13h
Britain has pledged to defend Sweden if the country came under attack, with Prime Minister Boris Johnson expected to sign a similar deal with Finland later Wednesday.

Sweden and Finland are thinking of joining NATO following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. http://apne.ws/Q8MOrn6


Mark MacKinnon
@markmackinnon
The Finland deal was just signed too. “Should either country suffer a disaster or an attack, the United Kingdom and Finland will, upon request from the affected country, assist each other in a variety of ways, which may include military means

[B][I]Boris Johnson may struggle to win another election in the UK, but he’d win a landslide almost anywhere in Eastern Europe

They find themselves in the fortunate situation where his personal interests temporarily coincide with their needs.

[degenerated]

Did this Sweden and Finland stuff go through parliament, or did Johnson dream it up himself as he's keen, for his own survival purposes, to get Our Boys properly involved in a conflict? :dunno:You would have thought he would need to discuss with NATO as well as he is essentially comitting them too.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's just paperwork and symbolism until they join nato. Russia hasn't enough troops for Ukraine, never mind anywhere else.

They will be nato members in the next month anyway, so will have nato troops and protection. There isn't a hope in halls chance Russia touches nato, as it would be a quick end

[Ozyhibby]

It's just paperwork and symbolism until they join nato. Russia hasn't enough troops for Ukraine, never mind anywhere else.

They will be nato members in the next month anyway, so will have nato troops and protection. There isn't a hope in halls chance Russia touches nato, as it would be a quick end

For everyone.[emoji51]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThreshedThought/status/1524687923676954624

Russian security..

You can see the Russian build up of forces by tracking Russian sims in Ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JosephStash/status/1524675550152904704

Russian deUkrainianisation in Kherson.

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Euan MacDonald
@Euan_MacDonald
Westerners must realize Ukraine is not facing a choice between war and peace, but a choice between war and annihilation. Peace for Ukraine in this case means surrender, and the destruction of their state. Ukrainians will not accept this. They'll fight until they defeat Russia

Ergo, when people say Ukraine should seek “a ceasefire, as soon as possible,” Ukrainians hear “you should surrender now, and accept the attempted genocide of Ukrainians, the probable dismemberment of your state, and the deportation of your fellow citizens

Ergo: Ukrainians deserve the full support of all civilized states. Ukraine is fighting fascism, which has emerged again in Russia under Putin. See, and judge, the states that support Russia over Ukraine. See, and judge, politicians who support Russia over Ukraine.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/threshedthought/status/1524687923676954624?s=21&t=fWzYamUZ011Vu7_9IPrDMQ

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/32bd9557c7ebe8c39982131363a18d7a.jpg

Russian SIM cards currently in Ukraine. No wonder the Ukrainians are finding it easy to target them.


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[Jim44]

It's just paperwork and symbolism until they join nato. Russia hasn't enough troops for Ukraine, never mind anywhere else.

They will be nato members in the next month anyway, so will have nato troops and protection. There isn't a hope in halls chance Russia touches nato, as it would be a quick end


For everyone.[emoji51]


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That’s my fear. And I’m not overly convinced by the argument that Putin and his cronies would not resort to the ultimate action. Neither am I convinced that the majority of Russians support Putin simply because of supposed ignorance of the facts or his suppressive regime. I think there is a huge sense of patriotic nationalism in Russia and if the Ukraine mission fails and they find themselves a global pariah, who knows what sense of destructive nihilism could evolve.

[Stairway 2 7]

That’s my fear. And I’m not overly convinced by the argument that Putin and his cronies would not resort to the ultimate action. Neither am I convinced that the majority of Russians support Putin simply because of supposed ignorance of the facts or his suppressive regime. I think there is a huge sense of patriotic nationalism in Russia and if the Ukraine mission fails and they find themselves a global pariah, who knows what sense of destructive nihilism could evolve.

Thing is it was scary for many when Russia threatened if anyone helped Ukraine months ago, then everyonesent weapons. Then it was changed to heavy weapons, until everyone sent them. Now it's nato, although everyone clearly isn't worried as Finland and sweeden are joining very soon.

If your going to threaten something you need to really back it up as people stop believing in you

[Ozyhibby]

Thing is it was scary for many when Russia threatened if anyone helped Ukraine months ago, then everyonesent weapons. Then it was changed to heavy weapons, until everyone sent them. Now it's nato, although everyone clearly isn't worried as Finland and sweeden are joining very soon.

If your going to threaten something you need to really back it up as people stop believing in you

I’m almost certain that NATO troops will be inside Ukraine training the Ukrainians how to use all this new artillery, as well as providing intelligence and logistic support.


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[Stairway 2 7]

I’m almost certain that NATO troops will be inside Ukraine training the Ukrainians how to use all this new artillery, as well as providing intelligence and logistic support.


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Yeah I'd suspect your probably right. Officially it will be in Poland though..

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·
4m
⚡️Head of the #European Commission calls #Russia a "direct threat to the world order"

Ursula von der Leyen said this after talks in #Tokyo with the Prime Minister of #Japan

[Smartie]

Thing is it was scary for many when Russia threatened if anyone helped Ukraine months ago, then everyonesent weapons. Then it was changed to heavy weapons, until everyone sent them. Now it's nato, although everyone clearly isn't worried as Finland and sweeden are joining very soon.

If your going to threaten something you need to really back it up as people stop believing in you

I must admit - I was petrified when Putin made the threats upon invading Ukraine. I actually had a bit of a mental meltdown, avoided all news (and this thread) for a few weeks and had to address a few personal issues that were bubbling under the surface.

Since then my personal situation has improved beyond sight.

One slight negative I'd say is that I've become borderline obsessed with this war. I've always had a keen interest in Russia, studied the revolution at school and visited Moscow and St Petersburg in the 90s.

As time has gone by, the more it looks like Putin's threats were idle threats, as stupid as it is to make vague threats involving nuclear warfare.

I share the concerns about where Putin goes from here. He did share a story about a cornered rat in that Oliver Stone thing I listened to, which was interesting and a bit alarming (although its execution was, I suspect, very carefully choreographed). As soon as they invaded Ukraine, Ukraine and the West were placed in a lose lose position. They cannot afford for Ukraine to lose the war, but neither can they afford to corner Putin so badly that he's forced to do something rash.

The optimist in me chooses to focus on the fact that most people want to live, and to thrive, and also that there is only so much that any individual can ever do in isolation. Putin doesn't press a big red button - he makes a decision that has to go through layers of people before a final act is carried out to launch a nuclear weapon. I simply find it too hard to see how a situation can ever arise whereby that whole chain of people and actions can be unified in being decided to launch the weapon, even if Putin finds himself cornered like a rat. It's then easier for them to take him out than to take everyone out.

Amidst the rape, murder and genocide there always still needs to be an eventual path back to rehabilitation for Russia post-Putin. I suspect that it might have to get even uglier and scarier along the way as greater uncertainty enters the equation (the Russia / Putin situation resolves itself). Much of the pace of that post war rehabilitation will be determined by the forgiveness the Ukrainians can find, and the nature of the next crackpot to find themselves in charge of Russia.

For now though I guess we can't do much other than enjoy from a very safe distance the macabre spectacle of Russian mothers' sons being blown up in tanks a very long way from home in a totally pointless and futile war.

[hibsbollah]

I must admit - I was petrified when Putin made the threats upon invading Ukraine. I actually had a bit of a mental meltdown, avoided all news (and this thread) for a few weeks and had to address a few personal issues that were bubbling under the surface.

Since then my personal situation has improved beyond sight.

One slight negative I'd say is that I've become borderline obsessed with this war. I've always had a keen interest in Russia, studied the revolution at school and visited Moscow and St Petersburg in the 90s.

As time has gone by, the more it looks like Putin's threats were idle threats, as stupid as it is to make vague threats involving nuclear warfare.

I share the concerns about where Putin goes from here. He did share a story about a cornered rat in that Oliver Stone thing I listened to, which was interesting and a bit alarming (although its execution was, I suspect, very carefully choreographed). As soon as they invaded Ukraine, Ukraine and the West were placed in a lose lose position. They cannot afford for Ukraine to lose the war, but neither can they afford to corner Putin so badly that he's forced to do something rash.

The optimist in me chooses to focus on the fact that most people want to live, and to thrive, and also that there is only so much that any individual can ever do in isolation. Putin doesn't press a big red button - he makes a decision that has to go through layers of people before a final act is carried out to launch a nuclear weapon. I simply find it too hard to see how a situation can ever arise whereby that whole chain of people and actions can be unified in being decided to launch the weapon, even if Putin finds himself cornered like a rat. It's then easier for them to take him out than to take everyone out.

Amidst the rape, murder and genocide there always still needs to be an eventual path back to rehabilitation for Russia post-Putin. I suspect that it might have to get even uglier and scarier along the way as greater uncertainty enters the equation (the Russia / Putin situation resolves itself). Much of the pace of that post war rehabilitation will be determined by the forgiveness the Ukrainians can find, and the nature of the next crackpot to find themselves in charge of Russia.

For now though I guess we can't do much other than enjoy from a very safe distance the macabre spectacle of Russian mothers' sons being blown up in tanks a very long way from home in a totally pointless and futile war.

A very good and thoughtful post.
I’m a little concerned that probably due to the daily diet of selectively good news we’re getting from the battlefield and the constantly optimistic assessment of the political and strategic outcomes, we’ve all become a bit nonchalant about the prospect of this war spiraling into a wider conflict. As you say, Putin needs to be able to see an exit.

[Stairway 2 7]

A very good and thoughtful post.
I’m a little concerned that probably due to the daily diet of selectively good news we’re getting from the battlefield and the constantly optimistic assessment of the political and strategic outcomes, we’ve all become a bit nonchalant about the prospect of this war spiraling into a wider conflict. As you say, Putin needs to be able to see an exit.

It's not really selective it's impartial osint accounts and verified losses. People like the study of war and osint actual, posted every win for Russia at the start. They now have had geolocated and picture captured massive losses.

You can't also deny satellite positioning, also things like the sim card use a few posts back. Nasa Firms data is also being used to show exactly where fighting is happening. You'd have to be an idiot to deny Russia are losing a massive amount of ground they had last month.

Russia can't resupply and have by sight lost a massive amount of weaponry

[Ozyhibby]

Whatever the situation with Putin’s willingness to use nuclear weapons, I don’t think we can change our course. If we just back down then there is no way he stops with Ukraine. We either stop him there or wait until he gets to us.


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/threshedthought/status/1524687923676954624?s=21&t=fWzYamUZ011Vu7_9IPrDMQ

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/32bd9557c7ebe8c39982131363a18d7a.jpg

Russian SIM cards currently in Ukraine. No wonder the Ukrainians are finding it easy to target them.


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[DaveF]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1524448245539393539

ChrisO
@ChrisO_wiki
Video of an apparent Ukrainian attack on a Russian tank on 6 May is getting much attention for the turret's attempt to go to the Moon. It should be getting a lot more attention, though, for where it happened and what this means for Russia. A short 🧵. /1

Looks weather related...

[hibsbollah]

It's not really selective it's impartial osint accounts and verified losses. People like the study of war and osint actual, posted every win for Russia at the start. They now have had geolocated and picture captured massive losses.

You can't also deny satellite positioning, also things like the sim card use a few posts back. Nasa Firms data is also being used to show exactly where fighting is happening. You'd have to be an idiot to deny Russia are losing a massive amount of ground they had last month.

Russia can't resupply and have by sight lost a massive amount of weaponry

We have different ideas about what constitutes fact and what just constitutes reporting with some evidence attached which no-one on this thread is qualified to 100% verify. You can jump up and down about that and complain that twitter tells you different, but its actually the truth. Ive seen nowhere that shows me that Russia's top dog weaponry (and yes that means submarine mounted ICBMs if we want to get end of days about it all) isnt able to start WW3 if push came to shove. And countries that have been 'losing' a war have started 'winning' it again sometimes, history shows us that.

[Stairway 2 7]

We have different ideas about what constitutes fact and what just constitutes reporting with some evidence attached which no-one on this thread is qualified to 100% verify. You can jump up and down about that and complain that twitter tells you different, but its actually the truth. Ive seen nowhere that shows me that Russia's top dog weaponry (and yes that means submarine mounted ICBMs if we want to get end of days about it all) isnt able to start WW3 if push came to shove. And countries that have been 'losing' a war have started 'winning' it again sometimes, history shows us that.

You refuse to believe Bucha although unbelievable evidence. Cnn has spoken to 80 witnesses in one article I put up, Associated Press were in hours after russia left, NY times shown satellite imagery.

You put up about the Al jazera reporter as if it was a fact that isreal shot her. I agree they probably did, but the evidence is miniscule compared to Bucha. You believe reporting when you want to

Satellite imagery and firms data doesn't lie when it comes to the position of forces. I guess the 700 tanks geolocated and Russian war ship all destroyed are just resting.

We all need to admit we were wrong sometimes

[hibsbollah]

You refuse to believe Bucha although unbelievable evidence. Cnn has spoken to 80 witnesses in one article I put up, Associated Press were in hours after russia left, NY times shown satellite imagery.

You put up about the Al jazera reporter as if it was a fact that isreal shot her. I agree they probably did, but the evidence is miniscule compared to Bucha. You believe reporting when you want to

Satellite imagery and firms data doesn't lie when it comes to the position of forces. I guess the 700 tanks geolocated and Russian war ship all destroyed are just resting.

We all need to admit we were wrong sometimes

No need for the sarcasm. I think we all need to manage a civilised difference of opinion sometimes:agree:

The difference between Israel's assassination policy of journalists and Ukraine one case is this; One case is barely reported on, the Other case is on our news every day, same as for Yemen, not wholly unconnected to the fact that the protaganists are on 'our side'. I wouldnt have posted that story at all if I thought posters on here would have been aware of the awful story otherwise. I wasnt expecting many comments on the thread and i wasnt surprised. Even if you read the Guardian you'd be struggling to find it, and even that paper magnified Israeli evidence and downplayed actual eyewitness testimony from journalists. Just imagine that editorial position was in place in Ukraine. It doesnt make one right and wrong, im trying to address a lack of balance.


A simple Q and A, two questions, one a simple yes and no. The other a question about evidence and predicting the future.
Do you believe that Russia are so depleted that they are no longer a threat?

If Yes, What specific evidence are you relying on for for that belief?

If No, would you agree with me that triumphalism is premature, and we should still be wary about Russia's military capability? Maybe the satellite images you are being shown are showing you, not a lie, but a particular angle of how things are progressing because some of our leaders are scared witless about the possible consequences, military, economic, environmental? this thing is potentially very scary, to my eyes anyway.

Because all i see on here is a total confidence that the Russians are murderous and evil, but are essentially stupid, leaving their smartphones everywhere, driving trucks into rivers, blowing themselves up and generally being like dastardly and Mutley on vodka.

[Ozyhibby]

No need for the sarcasm. I think we all need to manage a civilised difference of opinion sometimes:agree:

The difference between Israel's assassination policy of journalists and Ukraine one case is this; One case is barely reported on, the Other case is on our news every day, same as for Yemen, not wholly unconnected to the fact that the protaganists are on 'our side'. I wouldnt have posted that story at all if I thought posters on here would have been aware of the awful story otherwise. I wasnt expecting many comments on the thread and i wasnt surprised. Even if you read the Guardian you'd be struggling to find it, and even that paper magnified Israeli evidence and downplayed actual eyewitness testimony from journalists. Just imagine that editorial position was in place in Ukraine. It doesnt make one right and wrong, im trying to address a lack of balance.


A simple Q and A, two questions, one a simple yes and no. The other a question about evidence and predicting the future.
Do you believe that Russia are so depleted that they are no longer a threat?

If Yes, What specific evidence are you relying on for for that belief?

If No, would you agree with me that triumphalism is premature, and we should still be wary about Russia's military capability? Maybe the satellite images you are being shown are showing you, not a lie, but a particular angle of how things are progressing because some of our leaders are scared witless about the possible consequences, military, economic, environmental? this thing is potentially very scary, to my eyes anyway.

Because all i see on here is a total confidence that the Russians are murderous and evil, but are essentially stupid, leaving their smartphones everywhere, driving trucks into rivers, blowing themselves up and generally being like dastardly and Mutley on vodka.

The reporters death has been covered by every news outlet?


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[hibsbollah]

The reporters death has been covered by every news outlet?


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Eventually. And ive read most of them and you have to question the tone and emphasis in every single one. Imagine Russian sniper blows Clive Myries head off in the Donbass and imagine the effect this story is having in the arab world.

[Stairway 2 7]

No need for the sarcasm. I think we all need to manage a civilised difference of opinion sometimes:agree:

The difference between Israel's assassination policy of journalists and Ukraine one case is this; One case is barely reported on, the Other case is on our news every day, same as for Yemen, not wholly unconnected to the fact that the protaganists are on 'our side'. I wouldnt have posted that story at all if I thought posters on here would have been aware of the awful story otherwise. I wasnt expecting many comments on the thread and i wasnt surprised. Even if you read the Guardian you'd be struggling to find it, and even that paper magnified Israeli evidence and downplayed actual eyewitness testimony from journalists. Just imagine that editorial position was in place in Ukraine. It doesnt make one right and wrong, im trying to address a lack of balance.


A simple Q and A, two questions, one a simple yes and no. The other a question about evidence and predicting the future.
Do you believe that Russia are so depleted that they are no longer a threat?

If Yes, What specific evidence are you relying on for for that belief?

If No, would you agree with me that triumphalism is premature, and we should still be wary about Russia's military capability? Maybe the satellite images you are being shown are showing you, not a lie, but a particular angle of how things are progressing because some of our leaders are scared witless about the possible consequences, military, economic, environmental? this thing is potentially very scary, to my eyes anyway.

Because all i see on here is a total confidence that the Russians are murderous and evil, but are essentially stupid, leaving their smartphones everywhere, driving trucks into rivers, blowing themselves up and generally being like dastardly and Mutley on vodka.

The OSINT community in particular bellingcat have been probably the biggest amplifier of Palestinian and Syrian horrors. They have sent masses of documentation to the Hague about isreali crimes and are doing the same now documenting Russian war crimes.

I wouldn't take as verbatim anything uk, Russia or Ukraine says. But the OSINT community are deliberately open and meticulous.

Russia has visually confirmed tank loses around 700. There is no way to dress that up. They are getting weaker by the day, where as Ukrainian military are far stronger weapons wise.

I'd look at oryx website that is updated every day on visually confirmed losses
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

Bellingcat on twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/bellingcat

https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical
OSINTtechnical for evidence based reports from Ukraine, Palestine, Syria and Sri Lanka ect

[hibsbollah]

The OSINT community in particular bellingcat have been probably the biggest amplifier of Palestinian and Syrian horrors. They have sent masses of documentation to the Hague about isreali crimes and are doing the same now documenting Russian war crimes.

I wouldn't take as verbatim anything uk, Russia or Ukraine says. But the OSINT community are deliberately open and meticulous.

Russia has visually confirmed tank loses around 700. There is no way to dress that up. They are getting weaker by the day, where as Ukrainian military are far stronger weapons wise.

I'd look at oryx website that is updated every day on visually confirmed losses
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

Bellingcat on twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/bellingcat

https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical
OSINTtechnical for evidence based reports from Ukraine, Palestine, Syria and Sri Lanka ect

You havent answered either of my questions, you don't have to answer them obviously.

[Stairway 2 7]

You havent answered either of my questions, you don't have to answer them obviously.

The loses are obviously unsustainable for Russia and momentum clearly with Ukraine. The weapons Ukraine are getting are far superior to Russia this week help. Russia has lost 50% of the territory it had in Ukraine in a month.

Oryx verified losses has about a third of Russias pre war vehicles destroyed, obviously unsustainable if they now can't order more.

War historians that have been following Russia for decades say they are going to be pushed out Ukraine.

Like Phillips OBrien from Stirling uni
https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien

Trent Telenko has been documenting how poor Russian logistics and maintenance are.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TrentTelenko

[stu in nottingham]

If No, would you agree with me that triumphalism is premature, and we should still be wary about Russia's military capability? Maybe the satellite images you are being shown are showing you, not a lie, but a particular angle of how things are progressing because some of our leaders are scared witless about the possible consequences, military, economic, environmental? this thing is potentially very scary, to my eyes anyway.

Because all i see on here is a total confidence that the Russians are murderous and evil, but are essentially stupid, leaving their smartphones everywhere, driving trucks into rivers, blowing themselves up and generally being like dastardly and Mutley on vodka.

All you see from some posters to be accurate. I for one, and I'm certain I'm not alone, absolutely believe we should not disregard the military threat that Russia still pose. I really don't agree with the slightly jingoistic narrative that is being drawn about the situation in some quarters. This is not some war game where we can stand and cheer for the Ukrainian resistance, more weapons being supplied and more hits, welcome though they may be, and pretend there is an inevitable Russian defeat coming. The danger posed by Russia should absolutely be repected.

[Santa Cruz]

All you see from some posters to be accurate. I for one, and I'm certain I'm not alone, absolutely believe we should not disregard the military threat that Russia still pose. I really don't agree with the slightly jingoistic narrative that is being drawn about the situation in some quarters. This is not some war game where we can stand and cheer for the Ukrainian resistance, more weapons being supplied and more hits, welcome though they may be, and pretend there is an inevitable Russian defeat coming. The danger posed by Russia should absolutely be repected.

Think it has been Stu, or there would have been a no fly zone enforced already.

Personally, I have no problem with any reporting (propaganda) that shows the Russian army/regime in a negative light even if it is untrue. The truth we do know is they have no right to invade a peaceful sovereign nation.

[hibsbollah]

The loses are obviously unsustainable for Russia and momentum clearly with Ukraine. The weapons Ukraine are getting are far superior to Russia this week help. Russia has lost 50% of the territory it had in Ukraine in a month.

Oryx verified losses has about a third of Russias pre war vehicles destroyed, obviously unsustainable if they now can't order more.

War historians that have been following Russia for decades say they are going to be pushed out Ukraine.

Like Phillips OBrien from Stirling uni
https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien

Trent Telenko has been documenting how poor Russian logistics and maintenance are.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TrentTelenko

OK, more specifically, im asking you for a prediction based on the data you've provided.

Do you think the threat of Russia beating Ukraine in a land battle is over?
Do you think the threat of Russia extending the war beyond its immediate border is over?
Do you think the apparent lack of success of Russias land troops means that its nuclear capability is also likely to be less dangerous than previously thought?

Personally I don't.

[hibsbollah]

Personally, I have no problem with any reporting (propaganda) that shows the Russian army/regime in a negative light even if it is untrue.

Really?? That makes no sense to me.
I can understand from a mental health perspective, to want to shut oneself off from the horror of war. Ive thought about not watching/learning anymore about it myself.
i can't understand ever wanting to be misinformed.

[JeMeSouviens]

Think it has been Stu, or there would have been a no fly zone enforced already.

Personally, I have no problem with any reporting (propaganda) that shows the Russian army/regime in a negative light even if it is untrue. The truth we do know is they have no right to invade a peaceful sovereign nation.



:confused:

Seriously?

[hibsbollah]

All you see from some posters to be accurate. I for one, and I'm certain I'm not alone, absolutely believe we should not disregard the military threat that Russia still pose. I really don't agree with the slightly jingoistic narrative that is being drawn about the situation in some quarters. This is not some war game where we can stand and cheer for the Ukrainian resistance, more weapons being supplied and more hits, welcome though they may be, and pretend there is an inevitable Russian defeat coming. The danger posed by Russia should absolutely be repected.

Im usually very critical of the mainstream media on here. But there was a very good piece on BBC 10pm news about the worst drought in Africa since the 1980s in Ethiopia, caused by 3 years of no rain. Again, not really on most peoples radar. This was going to be a disaster for Ethopia, South Sudan, Kenya, maybe Somalia and even Egypt already, BEFORE Ukraine, but the blockade of Ukraines ports and lack of grain exports is going to make it much much worse. Sub saharan africa gets a lot of its food from Ukraine. And soaring food prices affect all of us. Another indirect hit from Putin. Fingers crossed for the climate to magically sort itself this year or the mass migrations North, economic collapse, starvations etc. discussed at COP26 will happen sooner than predicted. We know Putin's friend in Belarus was using Syrian refugees as pawns in a diplomatic war with Poland before the war with Ukraine started. War on another front. These arent the actions of idiots without a plan.

[Smartie]

Personally, I have no problem with any reporting (propaganda) that shows the Russian army/regime in a negative light even if it is untrue.


Really?? That makes no sense to me.
I can understand from a mental health perspective, to want to shut oneself off from the horror of war. Ive thought about not watching/learning anymore about it myself.
i can't understand ever wanting to be misinformed.


:confused:

Seriously?

I guess this may just be that different folk have different ideas about how to behave during a war. Some play nice, some play dirty.

The propaganda war is a war that needs to be won. When billions are being spent on weapons to be shipped overseas to a far away place and when there is the possibility of jeopardising national security into the bargain, it is important to keep the public onside.

Some folk like to be treated like adults, given the truth and told to make up their own minds. Some are happy enough that the rules are bent a bit, white lies are told in the name of a greater good.

I guess this applies to both sides in this war and could be applied to just about every subject currently being discussed on the HG.

[Ozyhibby]

Im usually very critical of the mainstream media on here. But there was a very good piece on BBC 10pm news about the worst drought in Africa since the 1980s in Ethiopia, caused by 3 years of no rain. Again, not really on most peoples radar. This was going to be a disaster for Ethopia, South Sudan, Kenya, maybe Somalia and even Egypt already, BEFORE Ukraine, but the blockade of Ukraines ports and lack of grain exports is going to make it much much worse. Sub saharan africa gets a lot of its food from Ukraine. And soaring food prices affect all of us. Another indirect hit from Putin. Fingers crossed for the climate to magically sort itself this year or the mass migrations North, economic collapse, starvations etc. discussed at COP26 will happen sooner than predicted. We know Putin's friend in Belarus was using Syrian refugees as pawns in a diplomatic war with Poland before the war with Ukraine started. War on another front. These arent the actions of idiots without a plan.

I agree that the Middle East and North Africa will see a massive eruption of violence over the next two years (maybe more) because of food shortages but I don’t think it’s going unreported. The powers that be know it’s going to happen, there is just not a lot can be done about it. The grain is stuck in Ukraine and we can’t get it out.
I do disagree with the last sentence. I can’t believe that the UK is special or exceptional in being the only country with very stupid leaders. I think Putin and Lukashenko are right up there. They have made it to where they are by a willingness to use extreme violence to remove anyone that gets in their way. They are gangsters. And in that world, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist. Just prepared to murder anyone who gets in your way.


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[Ozyhibby]

Think it has been Stu, or there would have been a no fly zone enforced already.

Personally, I have no problem with any reporting (propaganda) that shows the Russian army/regime in a negative light even if it is untrue. The truth we do know is they have no right to invade a peaceful sovereign nation.

Not for me. Truth is very important.


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[Smartie]

I agree that the Middle East and North Africa will see a massive eruption of violence over the next two years (maybe more) because of food shortages but I don’t think it’s going unreported. The powers that be know it’s going to happen, there is just not a lot can be done about it. The grain is stuck in Ukraine and we can’t get it out.
I do disagree with the last sentence. I can’t believe that the UK is special or exceptional in being the only country with very stupid leaders. I think Putin and Lukashenko are right up there. They have made it to where they are by a willingness to use extreme violence to remove anyone that gets in their way. They are gangsters. And in that world, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist. Just prepared to murder anyone who gets in your way.


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This is the bit I don't understand.

Why is it that it can only be exported by sea? Is there no other way - road, rail, with a bit of adaptation?

Or is much of it stuck in Russian occupied areas and with their embargo etc there isn't much incentive for them to get it out?

[Ozyhibby]

This is the bit I don't understand.

Why is it that it can only be exported by sea? Is there no other way - road, rail, with a bit of adaptation?

Or is much of it stuck in Russian occupied areas and with their embargo etc there isn't much incentive for them to get it out?

A bit of all that.
Even if you do adapt and move it by road/rail, the cost by the time it gets to Africa is more than they can pay. The Russian have been stealing all the crop from the occupied areas and taking it back to Russia.


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[Stairway 2 7]

OK, more specifically, im asking you for a prediction based on the data you've provided.

Do you think the threat of Russia beating Ukraine in a land battle is over?
Do you think the threat of Russia extending the war beyond its immediate border is over?
Do you think the apparent lack of success of Russias land troops means that its nuclear capability is also likely to be less dangerous than previously thought?

Personally I don't.

Land battle isn't over obviously, could be a long drawn out thing like it has been since 2014. But Russia is obviously much weaker and Ukraine much stronger. Russia also can't resupply. Its costing them billions a week and losses aren't sustainable at this rate. I think the biggest danger for Ukraine is the west losing interest if it goes on, they are getting thousands of ammunition deliveries if that stops they are snookered.

Russia is 100% not extending outside Ukraine as in a ground assault. They don't have the troops to take Donbas easily, so another front is out of the question. Finland and Poland have huge modern armies unlike what Ukraine had.

Russia is just as dangerous as its been for the last 50 years on the nuclear front. The only difference is the lack of surprise now. Radar images shows they have almost a complete radar wall set up across Europe. I put up too reports earlier from both US and Russian sources saying almost 90% of Russian missiles were being shot down by Ukraine. Ukraine has a very simple anti air system compared to nato.

I think if Russia went for it millions would die. But everywhere that Russia fired from would be destroyed after its first strike. It would be brutal but not the end of the world predictions I've seen online saying, what would happen if 2000 nukes landed.

I also think many of the hundreds of people needed to send a nuke would refuse. Stanislav Petrov and Vasily Aleksandrovich Arkhipov stopped nukes being sent previously, there would be others now hopefully.

[Santa Cruz]

Not for me. Truth is very important.


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Ordinarily, I would agree 100%. They are murdering innocent people. Hence my OP.

[Ozyhibby]

Land battle isn't over obviously, could be a long drawn out thing like it has been since 2014. But Russia is obviously much weaker and Ukraine much stronger. Russia also can't resupply. Its costing them billions a week and losses aren't sustainable at this rate. I think the biggest danger for Ukraine is the west losing interest if it goes on, they are getting thousands of ammunition deliveries if that stops they are snookered.

Russia is 100% not extending outside Ukraine as in a ground assault. They don't have the troops to take Donbas easily, so another front is out of the question. Finland and Poland have huge modern armies unlike what Ukraine had.

Russia is just as dangerous as its been for the last 50 years on the nuclear front. The only difference is the lack of surprise now. Radar images shows they have almost a complete radar wall set up across Europe. I put up too reports earlier from both US and Russian sources saying almost 90% of Russian missiles were being shot down by Ukraine. Ukraine has a very simple anti air system compared to nato.

I think if Russia went for it millions would die. But everywhere that Russia fired from would be destroyed after its first strike. It would be brutal but not the end of the world predictions I've seen online saying, what would happen if 2000 nukes landed.

I also think many of the hundreds of people needed to send a nuke would refuse. Stanislav Petrov and Vasily Aleksandrovich Arkhipov stopped nukes being sent previously, there would be others now hopefully.

I think there is zero chance of the west losing interest. This is the most significant war since WW2. America will be willing to fund this war indefinitely if they have to. I don’t believe that will be necessary. I think the Russians will be soundly beaten over the next couple of months. I already think we are past the half way point.


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[hibsbollah]

Land battle isn't over obviously, could be a long drawn out thing like it has been since 2014. But Russia is obviously much weaker and Ukraine much stronger. Russia also can't resupply. Its costing them billions a week and losses aren't sustainable at this rate. I think the biggest danger for Ukraine is the west losing interest if it goes on, they are getting thousands of ammunition deliveries if that stops they are snookered.

Russia is 100% not extending outside Ukraine as in a ground assault. They don't have the troops to take Donbas easily, so another front is out of the question. Finland and Poland have huge modern armies unlike what Ukraine had.

Russia is just as dangerous as its been for the last 50 years on the nuclear front. The only difference is the lack of surprise now. Radar images shows they have almost a complete radar wall set up across Europe. I put up too reports earlier from both US and Russian sources saying almost 90% of Russian missiles were being shot down by Ukraine. Ukraine has a very simple anti air system compared to nato.

I think if Russia went for it millions would die. But everywhere that Russia fired from would be destroyed after its first strike. It would be brutal but not the end of the world predictions I've seen online saying, what would happen if 2000 nukes landed.

I also think many of the hundreds of people needed to send a nuke would refuse. Stanislav Petrov and Vasily Aleksandrovich Arkhipov stopped nukes being sent previously, there would be others now hopefully.

I think you’ve failed to grasp the realities of nuclear war, to be honest. Where is the evidence that a ‘radar wall’ is going to stop the amount of ICBMs that Russia has ready to launch? We don’t even know where their subs are. If you have links I’d be genuinely interested. The ‘predictions’ you’re talking about are based on science. It’s inconceivable that a nuclear war can be ‘managed’ or contained. The post WW2 consensus has been built on avoiding this possibility. Mutually assured destruction only works as an idea if we don’t pretend that nuclear war isn’t literally the worst possible scenario for everyone.

You’re on less shaky ground with your argument about saner heads in Moscow refusing such an order.

[Smartie]

I think there is zero chance of the west losing interest. This is the most significant war since WW2. America will be willing to fund this war indefinitely if they have to. I don’t believe that will be necessary. I think the Russians will be soundly beaten over the next couple of months. I already think we are past the half way point.


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Stuff that concerns me -

Putin being backed into a corner and doing something mental (from escalating with chemical weapons requiring a tough response in kind to chucking around the nuclear weapons himself).

Putin's successor being even crazier than him.

The knock on effects of this war causing issues to spread further afield - instability as a result of food shortages etc.

Mentalists sympathetic to Putin/ far right fascism getting in power in enough places to cause a serious disruption in the balance of power. We had a narrow escape in France recently, Hungary still have the potential to cause problems. It feels a bit hypocritical to be saying this given we have the government and cabinet that we do here in the UK right now but hey...

My biggest one is what might happen in future if either Trump or anyone from his mindset gets in control in the USA. That could end up being off the scale bonkers and the undercurrent of all sorts of stuff over there concerns me greatly. We need the USA to be supportive in every sense and I have a deep mistrust of what might end up if certain events were to happen over on that side of the Atlantic.


There was a geopolitics thread on here around the turn of the year and it was crazy how many situations seemed to be simmering towards some sort of an explosion, many of them indirectly linked. So there's the immediate stuff in Ukraine which is obviously of concern but I don't think there is any hope of a "yippee, Ukraine wins" moment and everything all of a sudden being hunky dory again any time soon.

And that's even in the (looking increasingly likely) event that Russia end up being beaten back towards their own borders.

[Ozyhibby]

I think you’ve failed to grasp the realities of nuclear war, to be honest. Where is the evidence that a ‘radar wall’ is going to stop the amount of ICBMs that Russia has ready to launch? We don’t even know where their subs are. If you have links I’d be genuinely interested. The ‘predictions’ you’re talking about are based on science. It’s inconceivable that a nuclear war can be ‘managed’ or contained. The post WW2 consensus has been built on avoiding this possibility. Mutually assured destruction only works as an idea if we don’t pretend that nuclear war isn’t literally the worst possible scenario for everyone.

You’re on less shaky ground with your argument about saner heads in Moscow refusing such an order.

Have to agree. I doubt we can stop enough of them to make a difference. I don’t think they will fire them though. There are significant checks and balances in place, even in Russia.


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[Stairway 2 7]

I think you’ve failed to grasp the realities of nuclear war, to be honest. Where is the evidence that a ‘radar wall’ is going to stop the amount of ICBMs that Russia has ready to launch? We don’t even know where their subs are. If you have links I’d be genuinely interested. The ‘predictions’ you’re talking about are based on science. It’s inconceivable that a nuclear war can be ‘managed’ or contained. The post WW2 consensus has been built on avoiding this possibility. Mutually assured destruction only works as an idea if we don’t pretend that nuclear war isn’t literally the worst possible scenario for everyone.

You’re on less shaky ground with your argument about saner heads in Moscow refusing such an order.

The links were on this thread where Russia said 80% of missles were being shot down, I could try and find tomorrow. Nato patriot systems are far superior than Ukrainian anti air. Also a big percentage of Russian missiles are misfiring. Have the Russians been giving good upkeep to their nukes, they haven't to their army. The uranium needs replaced every 10 year's.

I'm sure they will be able to cause devastation though. Although I doubt they will. Red line after red line has been crossed. Nato is openly expanding and heavy weapons are currently being used from the west. Slovakia Poland Finland ect obviously feel happy to send without consequence. Finland feels happy to join nato without the consequence. Who knows if they are right to call Russias bluff, they will know better than us

[Ozyhibby]

This is the bit I don't understand.

Why is it that it can only be exported by sea? Is there no other way - road, rail, with a bit of adaptation?

Or is much of it stuck in Russian occupied areas and with their embargo etc there isn't much incentive for them to get it out?

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[Smartie]

The links were on this thread where Russia said 80% of missles were being shot down, I could try and find tomorrow. Nato patriot systems are far superior than Ukrainian anti air. Also a big percentage of Russian missiles are misfiring. Have the Russians been giving good upkeep to their nukes, they haven't to their army. The uranium needs replaced every 10 year's.

I'm sure they will be able to cause devastation though. Although I doubt they will. Red line after red line has been crossed. Nato is openly expanding and heavy weapons are currently being used from the west. Slovakia Poland Finland ect obviously feel happy to send without consequence. Finland feels happy to join nato without the consequence. Who knows if they are right to call Russias bluff, they will know better than us

It's the missiles on the Russian submarines that concern me the most. How well defended is the UK against that sort of thing? The Russians may have made a pig's ear of their conventional warfare approach in Ukraine, but they don't need to get many of their 6000 nuclear weapons through defences to cause a fair bit of damage. Certainly not as many as 20% of them.

And I guess there's the "what happens if" in the event of Russia launching a nuclear weapon and it being shot down. What is the proportionate response to that? And where does that stop?

The line being crossed where someone, anyone thinks that launching a nuclear weapon is an acceptable action is what we need to fear most. And by "we" I'm speaking on behalf of the human race.

[makaveli1875]

It's the missiles on the Russian submarines that concern me the most. How well defended is the UK against that sort of thing? The Russians may have made a pig's ear of their conventional warfare approach in Ukraine, but they don't need to get many of their 6000 nuclear weapons through defences to cause a fair bit of damage. Certainly not as many as 20% of them.

And I guess there's the "what happens if" in the event of Russia launching a nuclear weapon and it being shot down. What is the proportionate response to that? And where does that stop?

The line being crossed where someone, anyone thinks that launching a nuclear weapon is an acceptable action is what we need to fear most. And by "we" I'm speaking on behalf of the human race.

Nobody is well defended against submarine launched nukes . America , France and the uk all have subs with equally frightening missiles and Putin is well aware of this so hopefully that’s enough to put him off the idea

[Ozyhibby]

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/is-putin-sick-or-are-we-meant-to-think-he-is/

Interesting.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Have to agree. I doubt we can stop enough of them to make a difference. I don’t think they will fire them though. There are significant checks and balances in place, even in Russia.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThere's no way we could stop fully functioning ballistic missiles. There's no way we could stop them at their lauch sites as they are likely to be too far away and they take about 2 minutes to reach the earth's upper atmosphere, this is the only real time they're vulnerable. Once they stop burning fuel they'll be almost impossible to take out and the speed that they then return to earth with makes them almost impossible to intercept.

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[Stairway 2 7]

There is obviously unspeakable destruction if Russia goes full mental end the world, the same as the last 50 years.

Finland obviously don't see it as a real threat or they wouldn't send heavy weapons and join nato. Germany sent heavy weapons for the first time with the confidence of no nuclear retaliation. I think the nato and EU must be confidant of no nuclear war

[Stairway 2 7]

There's no way we could stop fully functioning ballistic missiles. There's no way we could stop them at their lauch sites as they are likely to be too far away and they take about 2 minutes to reach the earth's upper atmosphere, this is the only real time they're vulnerable. Once they stop burning fuel they'll be almost impossible to take out and the speed that they then return to earth with makes them almost impossible to intercept.

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The US say they can shoot down ballistics mid flight now, who knows

Talks about the nations anti ballistic missile systems

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ballistic_missile#:~:text=The%20Aegis%20ballistic% 20missile%20defense,target%20on%2016%20Nov%202020.

[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/sTQ5ZGHV9Zs

From last nights Newsnight.


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[stu in nottingham]

Interesting article about Russian soldiers refusing to fight.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/they-were-furious-the-russian-soldiers-refusing-to-fight-in-ukraine

[Ozyhibby]

Interesting article about Russian soldiers refusing to fight.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/they-were-furious-the-russian-soldiers-refusing-to-fight-in-ukraine

Mental to think of Russia’s red army running out of infantry.


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[SaulGoodman]

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/is-putin-sick-or-are-we-meant-to-think-he-is/

Interesting.


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He’s definitely ill. He looks very puffy, his hand in that photo in particular.

[Stairway 2 7]

Kevin Rothrock
@KevinRothrock
Russia will cease all electricity deliveries to Finland, effective a few hours from now, beginning on May 14. Finland recently said it would cut Russian electricity imports by 1/3. Finland reportedly consumes 37% of all Russian electricity exports. https://kommersant.ru/doc/5354117

Helsinki says no blackouts are coming: it can compensate by importing more from Sweden

According to Inter RAO (the single Russian electricity export and import operator), in 2021, electricity exports from Russia amounted to 21.77 billion kWh (the highest over the past ten years). Including Finland accounted for 8.2 billion kWh (37% of the total).

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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The Riga Parliament voted for the demolition of the monument to Soviet soldiers

The governor of the #Leningrad region made a proposal to pick it up from #Riga and install it in #Russia.

All children in #Latvia from 2025 will study only in Latvian language - Minister of Education and Science Anita Muizhniece

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
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Interviewed by Italian TV Rai1, Zelensky confirmed that Macron has proposed for Ukraine to give up some territory to Russia in order to present a face-saving option for Putin.

Zelensky said it’s out of the question

We are not ready to lose territory to save something for somebody" - added Zelensky

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1525192242096484354?s=21&t=WSXUhT2HfUYos6f873UEKQ

Over a month since a Russian drone strike. Sanctions must be starting to work already.


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[Jim44]

Putin saying that Finland joining NATO is an act of aggression. Only a murderous warmonger could interpret it like that.

[LeithMike]

Visegrád 24
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Interviewed by Italian TV Rai1, Zelensky confirmed that Macron has proposed for Ukraine to give up some territory to Russia in order to present a face-saving option for Putin.

Zelensky said it’s out of the question

We are not ready to lose territory to save something for somebody" - added Zelensky

I can understand the desire to end the war but surely the most Ukraine should consider is referring a decision on Crimea to the International Court of Justice? We are also well beyond a face saving option for Putin. If he physially survives then surely he has to be brought to justice for war crimes? Its why Biden is right that he cant stay in power. Better for Ukraine to lose some territory and Putin be held to account than Ukraine keep it all and Putin be allowed to remain in power and escape justice.

In fact I'd maybe be making that offer to the Russians - Crimea and Donbas to be referred to ICJ or subject to negotiated settlement and end of sanctions but Putin, Lavrov, Medveded and others to be handed over to be tried for war crimes and Russia to pay ongoing compensation for destruction. It probably shows hust how difficult it is to bring it to an end.

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[Ozyhibby]

I can understand the desire to end the war but surely the most Ukraine should consider is referring a decision on Crimea to the International Court of Justice? We are also well beyond a face saving option for Putin. If he physially survives then surely he has to be brought to justice for war crimes? Its why Biden is right that he cant stay in power. Better for Ukraine to lose some territory and Putin be held to account than Ukraine keep it all and Putin be allowed to remain in power and escape justice.

In fact I'd maybe be making that offer to the Russians - Crimea and Donbas to be referred to ICJ or subject to negotiated settlement and end of sanctions but Putin, Lavrov, Medveded and others to be handed over to be tried for war crimes and Russia to pay ongoing compensation for destruction. It probably shows hust how difficult it is to bring it to an end.

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No chance Ukraine accept that. They won’t give up an inch of Ukraine territory now.
Ukrainians see Russia as a problem, not just Putin. They won’t stop now until they are all gone from Ukraine.
Putin will be dead soon enough anyway. Hardly worth giving away part of your land.


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[LeithMike]

No chance Ukraine accept that. They won’t give up an inch of Ukraine territory now.
Ukrainians see Russia as a problem, not just Putin. They won’t stop now until they are all gone from Ukraine.
Putin will be dead soon enough anyway. Hardly worth giving away part of your land.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBut how many lives will be lost in the meantime? And we still dont know what would happen if Putin is left in power and truly backed into a corner. Ukraine needn't necessary give up land but agree to put issues for legal consideration or come up with some power sharing arrangement over Crimea. The world also really needs a forum to resolve territorial disputes without resorting to arms.

It also reminds me of the Stauffenberg plot in Germany where a lot of the reasonable generals in Germany wanted rid of Hitler but still wanted to protect Germany as a nation. What planning is going on to bring the war to an end?!

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[Jim44]

I can understand the desire to end the war but surely the most Ukraine should consider is referring a decision on Crimea to the International Court of Justice? We are also well beyond a face saving option for Putin. If he physially survives then surely he has to be brought to justice for war crimes? Its why Biden is right that he cant stay in power. Better for Ukraine to lose some territory and Putin be held to account than Ukraine keep it all and Putin be allowed to remain in power and escape justice.

In fact I'd maybe be making that offer to the Russians - Crimea and Donbas to be referred to ICJ or subject to negotiated settlement and end of sanctions but Putin, Lavrov, Medveded and others to be handed over to be tried for war crimes and Russia to pay ongoing compensation for destruction. It probably shows hust how difficult it is to bring it to an end.

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How can that happen? Who can do it? Where could it happen? As far as I understand it, Putin (Russia) is answerable to nobody. Does Russia recognise ICJ? Putin and Russia can only be tried in their absence. The only outcome I see is that Russia will suffer from a totally destroyed economy.

[LeithMike]

How can that happen? Who can do it? Where could it happen? As far as I understand it, Putin (Russia) is answerable to nobody. Does Russia recognise ICJ? Putin and Russia can only be tried in their absence. The only outcome I see is that Russia will suffer from a totally destroyed economy.Well Russian soldiers are already being tried in Ukraine for war crimes. Countries can agree to refer disputes over to ICJ for resolution (not many do though which is why we end up with so many wars).

If we are waiting on total destruction of the Russian economy then the war is going to last a long time, thousands of Ukrainian and Russian lives will be lost, we run risk of nuclear escalation and severe food and fuel poverty in Africa and Europe. The world needs to think of a way out of this. Macron is right in the idea but it would be absolutely wrong to leave Putin in power. He must be held to account.

The reaction of the West has been good but complacency seems to be creeping in with Ukrainian lives being seen as expendible in weakening Russia. That just doesn't feel right.

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[Ozyhibby]

Well Russian soldiers are already being tried in Ukraine for war crimes. Countries can agree to refer disputes over to ICJ for resolution (not many do though which is why we end up with so many wars).

If we are waiting on total destruction of the Russian economy then the war is going to last a long time, thousands of Ukrainian and Russian lives will be lost, we run risk of nuclear escalation and severe food and fuel poverty in Africa and Europe. The world needs to think of a way out of this. Macron is right in the idea but it would be absolutely wrong to leave Putin in power. He must be held to account.

The reaction of the West has been good but complacency seems to be creeping in with Ukrainian lives being seen as expendible in weakening Russia. That just doesn't feel right.

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It’s the Ukrainians who will not stop until the Russians are gone. It’s not anyone else pressurising them.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/SV_4M9R8Ggs

Interesting video on the scale of the sanctions on Russia.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220514/c6ee34d039645042ca2bb54ddb9c416f.jpg

G7 backing Ukraine to take back Crimea.[emoji122][emoji122]


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[StevieC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220514/c6ee34d039645042ca2bb54ddb9c416f.jpg

G7 backing Ukraine to take back Crimea.[emoji122][emoji122]


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Crimea is a key factor in all of this. It’s why the Russian troops left Kyiv to bolster movements in the South East.
Take Crimea away from Russia and they have no reason to be in the Donbas.

But the Black Sea Naval base is why they won’t give it up willingly

[Jamesie]

But the Black Sea Naval base is why they won’t give it up willingly

I remember touring Crimea before the match in 2005 and being told by a tour guide that the Sevastopol lease was up for renewal in 2017 and there “could be trouble”. Yanukovych extended that lease to 2042 in 2010, but it was all academic because long before 2017 there had indeed been trouble.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1525931815793475587?s=21&t=fAN2HBGBp2CNylTHNCiSEQ
Ukrainian troops get to the Russian border outside Kharkiv.[emoji122][emoji106]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1525931815793475587?s=21&t=fAN2HBGBp2CNylTHNCiSEQ
Ukrainian troops get to the Russian border outside Kharkiv.[emoji122][emoji106]


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Amazing

[Ozyhibby]

Amazing

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220515/baefc2184587cee7dd74f6f297363290.jpg

They should be able to cut supply lines from Belgorod which will cripple the Russians.


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McDonald's is pulling out of Russia and selling its stores, affecting 65,000 jobs

A thread on the fake McDonald's that has popped up in the donetsk that might take over in Russia 😆

https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1526144507800178688

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

Ukrainian soldiers have started their training in Slovakia on how to use Zuzana 2 self-propelled howitzers.

Slovak Defense Minister Jaroslav Nagy confirmed that 🇺🇦 is close to buying the Slovak weapon system.

According to information released previously, 🇺🇦 will buy 16 of them

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

Olympic Games 2026 and 2028 will not be shown in #Russia and #Belarus

Countries were not allowed to bid for the rights to broadcast the Olympic Games

[Stairway 2 7]

Finland doesn’t need built up it has 20,000 army and 230,000 reserves, one of the best air defences and artillery systems. If Russia had any troops to spare (it doesn't), they wouldn't be going near Finlands modern army. Also last week the uk sent hundreds of troops after signing a security pact until membership is sorted

Kevin Rothrock
@KevinRothrock
·
Speaking at today’s CSTO summit, Putin said that NATO membership alone for Finland and Sweden poses no threat to Russia, but Moscow will respond in kind to any buildup of military infrastructure in these nations. Russia’s response will depend on the buildup

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.politico.eu/article/europes-leaders-fall-out-of-key-on-ukraine/

Zelensky needs to hold firm and give up no territory.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.politico.eu/article/europes-leaders-fall-out-of-key-on-ukraine/

Zelensky needs to hold firm and give up no territory.


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He's been clever and said any decision will go to a referendum of the Ukrainian people. Stops pressure from outside parties on him to deal. The Ukrainians don't want to make concessions

[Stairway 2 7]

Russians admitting things have failed in the Donbas. He also says he knows the date Russia will capitulate but won't share. A Ukrainian general yesterday said he expected Russia to run out of forces late July, fingers crossed

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxRTucker/status/1526220936747356160

Maxim Tucker
@MaxRTucker
The man that led Russia's 2014 hybrid invasion of Ukraine declares Moscow has failed to win the battle for Donbas. Chimes with what former British army officers told me about the Russians needing to have 'smashed' through Ukrainian lines rather than making a creeping advance

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Jack Detsch
@JackDetsch
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NEW: Ukraine has put 74 of the 90 U.S.-provided howitzer artillery pieces provided into the fight with Russia: senior U.S. defense official

The howitzers are proving "very effective" the official said. U.S. has sent 60 percent of 209,000 artillery rounds promised to Ukraine

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/iikkakorhonen/status/1526086893271715840?s=21&t=SnbC70F0oONnMWBfGhTSvQ

Russian imports plummeting. Even from China which suggests they are either running out of money or Chinese companies are stopping selling to them.[emoji106]


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[Stairway 2 7]

A thread on the artillery Ukraine is getting from the US. Even if Russia digs in on the defense, the m777 will destroy the positions

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1526263179164131328

[WhileTheChief..]

Finland doesn’t need built up it has 20,000 army and 230,000 reserves, one of the best air defences and artillery systems. If Russia had any troops to spare (it doesn't), they wouldn't be going near Finlands modern army. Also last week the uk sent hundreds of troops after signing a security pact until membership is sorted

Kevin Rothrock
@KevinRothrock
·
Speaking at today’s CSTO summit, Putin said that NATO membership alone for Finland and Sweden poses no threat to Russia, but Moscow will respond in kind to any buildup of military infrastructure in these nations. Russia’s response will depend on the buildup

I was reading some interesting stuff about Finland today.

Amazingly, they have enough underground bunkers for their entire population to survive in!

At the start of the cold war, when they decided to stay neutral, they thought the best thing to concentrate on was protecting their population.

Along with a massive project by the government, since the 50s, every new building built, had to have a bunker.

In peacetime, they are used as clubs/bars, bowling alleys, children's playparks etc. They can quickly be converted into survival bunkers including accommodation, hospitals, schools etc. All underground.

The figures I read suggested they have a standing army of over 200,000 with 900,000 reservists. They have national service for males aged 18 - 29 meaning they have a trained population.

Add in western equipment, know-how and the geography, and you can see that Finland is well prepared for any Russian moves.

I had no idea they had such a strong military. A welcome addition to NATO.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882?s=21&t=Cb_2EFGvCaQydb2S6R0zdA

Reality starting to hit home on Russian state tv. Putin must be getting very worried now.


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[stokesmessiah]

I was reading some interesting stuff about Finland today.

Amazingly, they have enough underground bunkers for their entire population to survive in!

At the start of the cold war, when they decided to stay neutral, they thought the best thing to concentrate on was protecting their population.

Along with a massive project by the government, since the 50s, every new building built, had to have a bunker.

In peacetime, they are used as clubs/bars, bowling alleys, children's playparks etc. They can quickly be converted into survival bunkers including accommodation, hospitals, schools etc. All underground.

The figures I read suggested they have a standing army of over 200,000 with 900,000 reservists. They have national service for males aged 18 - 29 meaning they have a trained population.

Add in western equipment, know-how and the geography, and you can see that Finland is well prepared for any Russian moves.

I had no idea they had such a strong military. A welcome addition to NATO.

Don’t think those army sizes are correct….I think there army is about 20k strong and 200,000 reservists.

[Kato]

I was reading some interesting stuff about Finland today.

Amazingly, they have enough underground bunkers for their entire population to survive in!

At the start of the cold war, when they decided to stay neutral, they thought the best thing to concentrate on was protecting their population.

Along with a massive project by the government, since the 50s, every new building built, had to have a bunker.

In peacetime, they are used as clubs/bars, bowling alleys, children's playparks etc. They can quickly be converted into survival bunkers including accommodation, hospitals, schools etc. All underground.

The figures I read suggested they have a standing army of over 200,000 with 900,000 reservists. They have national service for males aged 18 - 29 meaning they have a trained population.

Add in western equipment, know-how and the geography, and you can see that Finland is well prepared for any Russian moves.

I had no idea they had such a strong military. A welcome addition to NATO.With a population of 5.5 million. Some people would imagine that's too small a population to be so forethinking, organised and pragmatic. Sounds like very cool spaces they've created with a sense of community, municipality and practicality. I bet the sound in some of those night clubs is top notch.

Fwiw I know a few Finnish peeps and they are all sound.

From a quick search..

Military readiness is ingrained in the culture of Finland, a country of 5.5 million people, of whom about 900,000 are listed as reservists. The country still has conscription, which could lead to a wartime troop strength of about 280,000 people, far exceeding its peacetime military force of*just over 19,000 personnel.10 hours ago

[WhileTheChief..]

20,000 in peacetime, 280,000 in wartime with 900,000 in reserve seems to be the figures widely reported.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/edwardstrngr/status/1526302123083718657?s=21&t=Cb_2EFGvCaQydb2S6R0zdA
Interesting thread on the strength of Finland and Swedens military and comparisons with ours.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Around 15 cruise missiles thought to have been fired at Lviv. The Mayor think all were intercepted

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1526336650133049345

Mayor of #Lviv Andriy Sadovy said that there is no confirmed information about missiles hitting the city

"Let's thank those who keep our skies safe! In the morning we will give more accurate information. Take care of yourself and do not ignore the air-raid alarms," he said

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https://www.politico.eu/article/europes-leaders-fall-out-of-key-on-ukraine/

Europe’s leaders fall out of key on Ukraine
Germany, France and Italy are making overtures to Moscow

[Stairway 2 7]

Article on the batallion of Russians destroyed as they tried to cross a river.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/15/world/europe/pro-russian-war-bloggers-kremlin.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DID m8fiPsSGYyMvErQf617apwrxTPeXsJaK74mQrltx_UaNUhqRAa luIDBm44IJiE0r8SzQmYyldrrbIwPzAXLPCO_Ofstg_q2pQ6HO zy9Rvfd03ErJVs2vcBgdQu13XYCkrPOEOJzxtl7ifsrUp0pF28 BbTKY_KW9U2UIM92DZxzY7QEyUvgIGm2A2I7BtM9TNVlaGlnET 3hg4Goj6N86ONMfP6v3KhRIa9OpyPxKSTQudNH1csV3E4vElLx qsqrPrgiPzae1z_Y2EaZSvtDUozvcqtNEm1U4_l9KYYH4L3M&smid=tel-nytimes

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1526431896716075010?s=21&t=kUqi4dsl8MWhVpLNrmPLJg

Ukraine starting to outrange the Russians on artillery.


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[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882?s=21&t=Cb_2EFGvCaQydb2S6R0zdA

Reality starting to hit home on Russian state tv. Putin must be getting very worried now.


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Garry Kasparov's take on this was interesting, when someone on twitter commented that it took courage to say this on Russian tv. He said "it doesn't take courage to say things on Russian tv, it takes permission."

[Ozyhibby]

https://samf.substack.com/p/breaking-the-black-sea-blockade?r=15i4j0&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Article on the naval blockade of Ukraine.


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[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1526129036828758016?cxt=HHwWgMCymb6R860qAAAA

[Ozyhibby]

Garry Kasparov's take on this was interesting, when someone on twitter commented that it took courage to say this on Russian tv. He said "it doesn't take courage to say things on Russian tv, it takes permission."

If that was the case then you have to wonder what the reason is? Is Putin preparing for some sort of climb down?


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[Smartie]

If that was the case then you have to wonder what the reason is? Is Putin preparing for some sort of climb down?


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Yeah, I’d say it was possibly the first sign of that.

Unless that guy has fallen from a tall building over the past few hours.

[Lendo]

I was reading some interesting stuff about Finland today.

Amazingly, they have enough underground bunkers for their entire population to survive in!

At the start of the cold war, when they decided to stay neutral, they thought the best thing to concentrate on was protecting their population.

Along with a massive project by the government, since the 50s, every new building built, had to have a bunker.

In peacetime, they are used as clubs/bars, bowling alleys, children's playparks etc. They can quickly be converted into survival bunkers including accommodation, hospitals, schools etc. All underground.

The figures I read suggested they have a standing army of over 200,000 with 900,000 reservists. They have national service for males aged 18 - 29 meaning they have a trained population.

Add in western equipment, know-how and the geography, and you can see that Finland is well prepared for any Russian moves.

I had no idea they had such a strong military. A welcome addition to NATO.

Very similar approach as neutral Switzerland. Enough underground bunkers and fresh water supplies to support the whole country in the event of nuclear war. Think it’s also the case that Moscow has enough room in its bunkers for the mast majority of the city’s population.

[Smartie]

Turns out it isn't the first time this guy has been on Russian tv, he's been a fairly regular contributor, providing a slightly different viewpoint to the fiercely pro-Russian stuff that we tend to be shown.

He's possibly there to help manage expectations.

https://twitter.com/TechTraderView/status/1523389860748271616?cxt=HHwWgICphbrAlaQqAAAA

Or - he's maybe there to prepare the ground for Putin to go full Stalin and start purging those in charge of the "special operation"...

[Stairway 2 7]

Turns out it isn't the first time this guy has been on Russian tv, he's been a fairly regular contributor, providing a slightly different viewpoint to the fiercely pro-Russian stuff that we tend to be shown.

He's possibly there to help manage expectations.

https://twitter.com/TechTraderView/status/1523389860748271616?cxt=HHwWgICphbrAlaQqAAAA

Or - he's maybe there to prepare the ground for Putin to go full Stalin and start purging those in charge of the "special operation"...
I think Vladimir is in charge of the operation now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/putin-involved-russia-ukraine-war-western-sources

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Ann Linde
@AnnLinde
·
Just signed a historic indication letter to #NATO Secretary General @jensstoltenberg from the Swedish Government 🇸🇪. Our NATO application is now formally signed

[Bristolhibby]

I think Vladimir is in charge of the operation now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/putin-involved-russia-ukraine-war-western-sources

This is great news. The guy ain’t a military General. It’s beyond him. Great news for Ukraine.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

This is great news. The guy ain’t a military General. It’s beyond him. Great news for Ukraine.

J

How fn dare you say the supreme leader isn't the greatest commander ever, off to the gulag for you

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1526582495076024321

Ukraine Weapons Tracker
@UAWeapons
#Ukraine: The first ever footage of what is claimed by the UA side to be UK-supplied Brimstone missiles in use against Russian forces in the East.

Two vehicles (Named as tanks) are struck in very rapid succession- it is said this is deep behind the front lines.

[Stairway 2 7]

Ukraine is able to strike much closer to izyum now

https://mobile.twitter.com/Arslon_Xudosi/status/1526527403690020872

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

‼️Finland and Sweden will apply to NATO on May 18

"We have agreed that Sweden and Finland will go through whole process together. Tomorrow we will submit our applications," Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said at press conference with Finnish President Sauli Ninisto

[Stairway 2 7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220515/baefc2184587cee7dd74f6f297363290.jpg

They should be able to cut supply lines from Belgorod which will cripple the Russians.


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WarMonitor🇺🇦
@WarMonitor3
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Ukrainian forces are 7 km from Volchansk which is a crucial Russian supply hub



Wouldn't want to be a Russian soldier in izyum in the next week

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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1h
#Finnish gas company Gasum refused to pay for #Russian gas in rubles

[WhileTheChief..]

Report of Russian officers shooting dead their own wounded soldiers.

https://youtu.be/_qV5H6zsieM

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1526663048781565958?s=21&t=CXQzVH-dwYoFOBCsT9bbFA

7 straight nights rioting in Iran over energy and food prices. By the end of the summer there is going to be some governments close to collapse.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1526934522717261824?s=21&t=JEOOu3fDE2ZbsYTexTFABw


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/2022-05-18/russian-militarys-people-problem

Article on Russians lack of care for their own people.


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Boris Johnson
@BorisJohnson
·
31m

United Kingdom government official
Reaffirmed British solidarity with the Ukrainian people to my friend
@ZelenskyyUa
this morning, particularly for the brave defenders of Mariupol.

The President and I had a wide ranging discussion

I updated the President on support flowing to Ukraine’s defence, including long-range artillery, shore-to-ship missiles and unmanned drones.

This is part of our additional £1.3 billion military aid package for Ukraine

We also discussed how we can stem the global economic damage caused by Putin's reckless blockade of Black Sea ports.

We're looking urgently at options to open up critical sea and land supply routes for Ukrainian grain stocks

50,000 Ukrainians have now safely arrived in the UK & we're doing everything possible to help them build lives here.

With over 100,000 visas issued through our schemes and fresh sanctions imposed on Russian airlines today, our resolve is unflinching – we #StandWithUkraine

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Turkey will veto Finland and Sweden joining nato..


Unless the US sort a deal for the new fighter planes they want, plus 4 more caveats which are more negotiable

[cabbageandribs1875]

apparently investigations have found out the boyfriend of Putins daughter is called Igor Zelensky... also a russian ballet dancer, now that'll hurt :greengrin

[Bridge hibs]

apparently investigations have found out the boyfriend of Putins daughter is called Igor Zelensky... also a russian ballet dancer, now that'll hurt :greengrinSoon to be renamed Igot Noballs’ski

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Danny Gold
@DGisSERIOUS
·
31m
NEW: One of the most harrowing stories I’ve ever reported. When the Russian army occupied Hostomel for 35 days, it visited unspeakable horror on the town and its residents. Then it came for the only doctor, and tore her family apart

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/bullets-and-blindfolds-in-a-ukrainian-city-under-siege

[cabbageandribs1875]

Soon to be renamed Igot Noballs’ski


igor i'llcutoffyyerballski's

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Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
·
1h
#Russia continues to cover its crime in #Mariupol, namely the bombing of a civilian building that served as shelterfor refugees - and was clearly marked as such

@uacrisis
Russians continue to dismantle the ruins of the Drama Theater. The clearing area is guarded and access is denied to the locals. The operation to conceal the consequences of war crimes is in process

[hibsbollah]

Danny Gold
@DGisSERIOUS
·
31m
NEW: One of the most harrowing stories I’ve ever reported. When the Russian army occupied Hostomel for 35 days, it visited unspeakable horror on the town and its residents. Then it came for the only doctor, and tore her family apart

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/bullets-and-blindfolds-in-a-ukrainian-city-under-siege

Harrowing is the word.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm not very comfortable with Ukraine putting Russian soldiers on trial for war crimes. I'd feel much better about this being dealt with at an international war crimes court.

https://youtu.be/U37dMsx-1_M

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[Stairway 2 7]

I'm not very comfortable with Ukraine putting Russian soldiers on trial for war crimes. I'd feel much better about this being dealt with at an international war crimes court.

https://youtu.be/U37dMsx-1_M

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It's a tricky one. Definitely for the leaders. Id agree, but it's hardly unusual for invading soldiers to be tried in the country they are caught. Hopefully a fair trial.

[Smartie]

Soon to be renamed Igot Noballs’ski

I'd imagine they'd be need to be pretty chunky, big balls if he's been prepared to date Putin's daughter.

Might take a bit of hacking off.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not very comfortable with Ukraine putting Russian soldiers on trial for war crimes. I'd feel much better about this being dealt with at an international war crimes court.

https://youtu.be/U37dMsx-1_M

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If there is no declared war then how do you prosecute war crimes?


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Conflict News
@Conflicts
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13m
BREAKING: US Congress approves new $40 bn aid package for Ukraine -
@AFP

[LeithMike]

I'm not very comfortable with Ukraine putting Russian soldiers on trial for war crimes. I'd feel much better about this being dealt with at an international war crimes court.

https://youtu.be/U37dMsx-1_M

Sent from my SM-A505FN using TapatalkAgree. Particularly when the war is still going on. It will also only encourage Russia to do the same and we know that won't be fair.

An independent forum in a third country would be best but you can understand Ukraine's desire to provide justice quickly and in its own territory.

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[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1527296505681522688?cxt=HHwWgMC9_Y6FhrIqAAAA

Interesting change of tone from that chap from the other night.

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Hans von der Burchard
@vonderburchard
No more German/Dutch Panzerhaubitze 2000 artillery for Ukraine (they delivered 12 together):

"I do not see further deliveries at the moment," said Dutch PM Mark Rutte. "We are at the limit of what is possible."

Chancellor Scholz: "We also urgently need" those weapons ourselves

Scholz: "The changed situation has contributed even more to the fact that the weapons systems we have ourselves are also urgently needed and therefore cannot be made available."


Thomas C. Theiner
@noclador
·

PzH 2000:
Germany 🇩🇪 - Netherlands 🇳🇱:

• own 108 - 39
• use 80 - 24
• donate to Ukraine 7 - 5
• unused, but not donated 21 - 10

[Ozyhibby]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/doomsday-watch-with-arthur-snell/id1593634121?i=1000562562199

Interesting podcast on how Britain is still helping launder Russian money.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AricToler/status/1527637564743725058

Interesting thread from bellingcat helping prove Russia shot down the Boeing passenger plane MH17.

you'd think Netherlands would be pouring everything at helping Ukraine

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

#Ukraine will receive the first 15 Gepard tanks equipped with anti-aircraft guns from Germany in July, Spiegel reports.

#Germany will also hand over 59,000 rounds of ammunition

[Sir David Gray]

The ATP decides to strip players of earning any ranking points at this year's Wimbledon tournament over the All England Lawn Tennis Club's decision to ban players from Russia and Belarus from competing.

"It is with great regret and reluctance that we see no option," said the ATP.

Announcing the move, the ATP said: "Unilateral decisions of this nature [by Wimbledon], if unaddressed, set a damaging precedent for the rest of the tour.

"Discrimination by individual tournaments is simply not viable on a tour that operates in more than 30 countries."

It added: "We remain hopeful of further discussions with Wimbledon leading to an acceptable outcome for all concerned."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61401519

[Ozyhibby]

The ATP decides to strip players of earning any ranking points at this year's Wimbledon tournament over the All England Lawn Tennis Club's decision to ban players from Russia and Belarus from competing.

"It is with great regret and reluctance that we see no option," said the ATP.

Announcing the move, the ATP said: "Unilateral decisions of this nature [by Wimbledon], if unaddressed, set a damaging precedent for the rest of the tour.

"Discrimination by individual tournaments is simply not viable on a tour that operates in more than 30 countries."

It added: "We remain hopeful of further discussions with Wimbledon leading to an acceptable outcome for all concerned."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61401519

Wimbledon should stick to its guns.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The ATP decides to strip players of earning any ranking points at this year's Wimbledon tournament over the All England Lawn Tennis Club's decision to ban players from Russia and Belarus from competing.

"It is with great regret and reluctance that we see no option," said the ATP.

Announcing the move, the ATP said: "Unilateral decisions of this nature [by Wimbledon], if unaddressed, set a damaging precedent for the rest of the tour.

"Discrimination by individual tournaments is simply not viable on a tour that operates in more than 30 countries."

It added: "We remain hopeful of further discussions with Wimbledon leading to an acceptable outcome for all concerned."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61401519

Atp probably would have been happy with British lions disgracefully playing in apartheid South Africa

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·
2h
🇪🇺 #EU plans to get rid of #Russian gas by 2027

This was announced by the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell

[superfurryhibby]

From Greenpeace.

A few days ago, we took action against a tanker carrying roughly £30 million of Russian diesel docking in London. [2] We took action because the government won’t - even though Russian flagged and owned ships are banned from the UK, we’re still importing Putin’s oil and gas which is fuelling the war in Ukraine. Since the war began, the UK has imported in the region of £250m worth of oil - we know because we’ve been tracking Russian tankers coming into the UK. [3]

Now our investigations have revealed that Tesco, Sainsbury’s, Asda and Morrisons have been sourcing diesel from a terminal that is importing Russian diesel and then selling it to customers in some of their petrol stations. None of us want to be complicit in funding Putin’s war - let’s call on UK supermarkets to put a stop to this.

In the words of Dr Svitlana Krakovska, Ukraine’s leading climate scientist to the IPCC, “This is a fossil fuel war.” [4] Yet nearly three months after Putin invaded Ukraine, fossil fuels from Russia are still arriving in the UK. The biggest supermarkets in the UK have to take proper responsibility and show leadership - even if our government isn’t.

Instead of waiting for a lethargic government to act, supermarkets could show lawmakers that big business and the public want action now. Can you call on Tesco, Sainsbury’s, Asda and Morrisons to stop selling Putin’s diesel?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/may/21/canada-announces-sanctions-on-alexander-lebedev-russia-ukraine-report?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1653130667

We’ll done Canada. The UK continues to protect the oligarchs as much as possible.


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[stu in nottingham]

This story has the feel of propaganda about it. For the evil and perversion it displays, I'm almost hoping it is.

Russian soldier's wife fantasised about torturing Ukranian kids.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-soldiers-wife-who-fantasised-26995955.amp?int_source=taboola&int_medium=display&int_campaign=organic#

[hibsbollah]

This story has the feel of propaganda about it. For the evil and perversion it displays, I'm almost hoping it is.

Russian soldier's wife fantasised about torturing Ukranian kids.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-soldiers-wife-who-fantasised-26995955.amp?int_source=taboola&int_medium=display&int_campaign=organic#

I think we need to be very very careful with this stuff. Think about the source, who’s releasing it and how objective it’s likely to be. We’re being fed a daily diet of information that leads us to a conclusion that an entire army/(nation/race?) consists of sadistic monsters. Individual sadists will exist in lots of places, sadly.

[Sir David Gray]

Atp probably would have been happy with British lions disgracefully playing in apartheid South Africa

I don't think it's quite the same thing. Wimbledon didn't ban South African players during the Apartheid era.

The ATP have banned tournaments from taking place in Russia and Belarus and players from both nations must play as neutral players and I think that strikes the correct balance.

Personally I'm not a fan of banning people from playing on the basis of where they happen to have been born.

[Ozyhibby]

I don't think it's quite the same thing. Wimbledon didn't ban South African players during the Apartheid era.

The ATP have banned tournaments from taking place in Russia and Belarus and players from both nations must play as neutral players and I think that strikes the correct balance.

Personally I'm not a fan of banning people from playing on the basis of where they happen to have been born.

I’m very much in favour of banning people from competing based on the country they represent. Do we really want to have a Russian receiving the trophy with a big ‘Z’ on their tracksuit? It’s far too big a risk.
Their country has declared war on the west and unfortunately for them they are collateral damage. As far as collateral damage goes, their loss is insignificant compared to others globally. Basically tough ****. Go home and think hard about the govt your silence permits.


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[stu in nottingham]

I think we need to be very very careful with this stuff. Think about the source, who’s releasing it and how objective it’s likely to be. We’re being fed a daily diet of information that leads us to a conclusion that an entire army/(nation/race?) consists of sadistic monsters. Individual sadists will exist in lots of places, sadly.

The daily diet of (mis)information is a given and anybody with an even slightly enquiring mind would consider that without making constructs of a nation of sadists or monsters. I understand and accept exactly your point though.

Such a story doesn't particularly influence me but then, probably like many on here, I try to be objective and question everything. You could go a little further and equally question the minds of the people who might concieve of such a story and these were my first thoughts.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I’m very much in favour of banning people from competing based on the country they represent. Do we really want to have a Russian receiving the trophy with a big ‘Z’ on their tracksuit? It’s far too big a risk.
Their country has declared war on the west and unfortunately for them they are collateral damage. As far as collateral damage goes, their loss is insignificant compared to others globally. Basically tough ****. Go home and think hard about the govt your silence permits.


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and it all started with this plum thinking it was fine to display a Z on his top at a medal ceremony back in march, Russian Gymnast Who Wore Pro-War 'Z' Symbol Barred for One Year (insider.com) (https://www.insider.com/russian-gymnast-ivan-kuliak-pro-war-symbol-banned-one-year-2022-5) he's now been told to return his medal, i do think it's sad that Russian athletes etc are banned from competing but it would be a risk that there's more like the one in that story always wanting that little more love from his fellow Russians by displaying this letter representing a shower of murdering rapists.

[Stairway 2 7]

I don't think it's quite the same thing. Wimbledon didn't ban South African players during the Apartheid era.

The ATP have banned tournaments from taking place in Russia and Belarus and players from both nations must play as neutral players and I think that strikes the correct balance.

Personally I'm not a fan of banning people from playing on the basis of where they happen to have been born.

Wimbledon should have banned South African players. Lions tour was a disgrace. Yes it would have been a shame on the South African players who through no fault of their own couldn't play internationally, but needs must

[Stairway 2 7]

This story has the feel of propaganda about it. For the evil and perversion it displays, I'm almost hoping it is.

Russian soldier's wife fantasised about torturing Ukranian kids.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-soldiers-wife-who-fantasised-26995955.amp?int_source=taboola&int_medium=display&int_campaign=organic#

Thanks to work by bellingcat and others the last two Ukrainian intercepts and one from Germany were verified. One from soldiers bragging about Bucha, one from a soldiers wife giving him permission to rape and one a soldier admitting torture.

I'd urge to watch the navalny documentary on iplayer to show the work that can be done by bellingcat ect, it unbelievable. They can go through social media, phone records, flight records ect. It isn't like past decades now, when you could easily just say any propaganda. They still try but everything is cross checked and analised. They obviously still release what they want and don't release others

This one could be verified eventually too. But that doesn't really make a difference either way. This is just one incident. I'm sure there is people with severe issues in every army, it doesn't make a nation monsters.

Even in the release talking to the guy who had tortured. The boy said he can't believe he had turned into this. War is disgusting for everyone.

[Bridge hibs]

Did the last remaining Ukranian soldiers manage to get out of the Azof plant ? I saw the news on Friday that they had bussed a couple of hundred to Russian held territory, were those soldiers and civilians allowed freedom or have they vanished ?

Also with Russia now in control of Mariopol and the sea ports, what happens next, do Russia settle for that or do Ukraine hit them and take it back

Apologies as other than Friday morning news I havent been keeping up

[Moulin Yarns]

Wimbledon should have banned South African players. Lions tour was a disgrace. Yes it would have been a shame on the South African players who through no fault of their own couldn't play internationally, but needs must

Don't you remember 'Great Britain' giving a young South African athlete a chance to run when there was a ban on South Africans?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zola_Budd

Actually had a tear reading this

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a21751547/zola-budd-after-the-fall/

[stu in nottingham]

Don't you remember 'Great Britain' giving a young South African athlete a chance to run when there was a ban on South Africans?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zola_Budd

Actually had a tear reading this

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a21751547/zola-budd-after-the-fall/


A good account of Zola's life which has had much sadness in it. I remember the infamous falling incident well and always thought she was treated really badly over that. In addition, Mary Decker's behaviour was appalling after the incident, even taking into consideration her disappointment.

Zola was a fine and natural athlete in her own right and with the right kind of support would have won much more in my opinion. She must have felt the whole world was against her that fateful day.

[Moulin Yarns]

A good account of Zola's life which has had much sadness in it. I remember the infamous falling incident well and always thought she was treated really badly over that. In addition, Mary Decker's behaviour was appalling after the incident, even taking into consideration her disappointment.

Zola was a fine and natural athlete in her own right and with the right kind of support would have won much more in my opinion. She must have felt the whole world was against her that fateful day.

Did you read down to Decker meeting Zola in the running world link? Really heartwarming.

[stu in nottingham]

Did you read down to Decker meeting Zola in the running world link? Really heartwarming.

Yes I did and fair play to her, I'd read about it before.

[Stairway 2 7]

Don't you remember 'Great Britain' giving a young South African athlete a chance to run when there was a ban on South Africans?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zola_Budd

Actually had a tear reading this

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a21751547/zola-budd-after-the-fall/

I don't as wasn't born. But as I said heartbreaking for the athletes not allowed to compete, but genocide trumps athletes careers. Thousands of Russians will lose their careers due to sanctions. Sanctions are needed though to help end this. Hopefully it will happen soon and the Russians that are victims too, can push on

[Stairway 2 7]

Did the last remaining Ukranian soldiers manage to get out of the Azof plant ? I saw the news on Friday that they had bussed a couple of hundred to Russian held territory, were those soldiers and civilians allowed freedom or have they vanished ?

Also with Russia now in control of Mariopol and the sea ports, what happens next, do Russia settle for that or do Ukraine hit them and take it back

Apologies as other than Friday morning news I havent been keeping up

Some still inside as videos have been released. Hundreds went into Russian held territory to be tried, although there is talk of prisoner swaps.

It's not significant in the battle of Donbass, as the city was mostly Russian held. It was just a case of holding Russian troops up. Not much has changed the last week in the war.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1528056100532125698

Russia sanctions 900 Americans. No trump on the list. Noticeably absent: All seven senators who spent July 4, 2018 in Moscow. Also, Moscow Mitch and Rand Paul are still welcome to come party at the Kremlin whenever they want.

Even better though 😆


Max Boot
@MaxBoot
Russia is as effective at sanctioning as at war fighting: “Russia also named former senators John McCain, Harry M. Reid, and Orrin G. Hatch as among the current or ex-lawmakers barred from entering the country, even though they are all dead

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1528253400202215425

Young, urban Russians attend a concert in St. Petersburg.

The entire crowd is chanting “F the war”.

One of the few occasions to voice dissent without getting arrested

[Stairway 2 7]

Russian gdp to fall by 30%. Will be worse if war continues, hell of a price

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobinBrooksIIF/status/1527986092149985280

Goldman's financial conditions index for Russia is now tighter than immediately after sanctions were imposed. Financial conditions are super tight and will lead to deep recession, which drives our -30% y/y GDP fall by end-2022. Ruble recovery is an illusion. With
@elinaribakova

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/hillelneuer/status/1528668629482541057?s=21&t=Z0n7sA9NQoBDj6E9_pCivw

Brave man.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/why-ukraine-must-defeat-putin-russia/629940/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Good article. Very little if anything I disagree with in there. Putin has to lose this war.


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[Hibrandenburg]

I drove past the Russian War museum in Berlin Karlshorst today. The museum itself is a villa where the allies accepted the complete capitulation of the German army in 1945. I’ve visited a few times and always found it pretty Soviet in it's relationship to facts, for example at the entrance it depicts WW2 as "The great war 1941-1945". I was very surprised to see a Ukrainian flag flying on the mast outside the entrance, I'll have to check how that came about.

Edit: Just found this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/06/we-had-to-do-this-berlin-museum-to-drop-russian-from-name

[Just Alf]

If Russia is now denying countries not involved with the conflict of food, leading to them having starvation/deaths, social unrest and even possibly triggering regime change is this not Russia escalating the conflict and now involving others in exactly the way they've demanded NATO not to?

(Or something!.. hope that made sense , I know what I was trying to say)

[Ozyhibby]

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[Onceinawhile]

Can't help but feel that the news coming out is now more and more defeatist / grim. After the steel works, they now seem to be moving on and surrounding different cities.

Obviously I've no idea, but it feels like they'll have the Donbas region soon and then hopefully GTF after that.

[Ozyhibby]

Can't help but feel that the news coming out is now more and more defeatist / grim. After the steel works, they now seem to be moving on and surrounding different cities.

Obviously I've no idea, but it feels like they'll have the Donbas region soon and then hopefully GTF after that.

I’m sure I read that the Ukrainians are allowing small advances by Russian troops while they re-arm with the new weapons. It’s taking a while for all the promised kit to get to the front line.


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[Sir David Gray]

I’m very much in favour of banning people from competing based on the country they represent. Do we really want to have a Russian receiving the trophy with a big ‘Z’ on their tracksuit? It’s far too big a risk.
Their country has declared war on the west and unfortunately for them they are collateral damage. As far as collateral damage goes, their loss is insignificant compared to others globally. Basically tough ****. Go home and think hard about the govt your silence permits.


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As far as I'm aware Wimbledon is the only tennis tournament so far to have an outright ban on Russian and Belarusian players taking part.

At every other tennis tournament which has taken place over the last 3 months since the war started, including fellow Grand Slam event the French Open which is taking place right now, I'm not aware of any Russian or Belarusian players displaying any 'Z' symbol on their clothes or indeed making any other statement supporting the actions of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

In fact the day after the invasion started Andrey Rublev, who is Russian and the current men's world number 7, wrote "no war please" on a camera after his match. For us here in the UK making that kind of political statement may seem quite unremarkable but for someone who comes from a country like Russia I think that is quite significant and he is taking quite a big risk in publicly speaking out against the war like that.

I'm assuming he still has family back in Russia and when you live in a dictatorship like that there's no guarantees that the family of a high profile person like him won't face some serious consequences.

I'm not too sure we'll agree on this and I suspect I'll be in the minority on here regarding this issue but I just don't think it's correct to ban someone like Rublev from Wimbledon just because of where he comes from, particularly when he clearly doesn't agree with the war and is using his platform to oppose the actions taken in Ukraine. As an athlete I don't see what else he can be reasonably expected to do.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/26/filtration-and-forced-deportation-mariupol-survivors-on-the-lasting-terrors-of-russias-assault

Filtration and forced deportation: Mariupol survivors on the lasting terrors of Russia’s assault
Svitlana and Vitaly lost almost everything, including their unborn baby, during Russia’s siege, their experiences a snapshot of the horrors endured by Mariupol’s remaining residents

[Stairway 2 7]

KyivIndependent
⚡️Poll: 82% of Ukrainians believe Ukraine shouldn't give up territory for peace.

According to a recent poll by the Kyiv International Sociology Insitute, only 10% of Ukrainians say that Ukraine can give up some of its territories to achieve peace and preserve its independence

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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The International Ice Hockey Federation banned the national teams of #Russia and #Belarus from participating in the 2023 World Championship

[Ozyhibby]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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The International Ice Hockey Federation banned the national teams of #Russia and #Belarus from participating in the 2023 World Championship

Big call as Russia are one of the big players. Hopefully the NHL stop bringing in new Russian players while this is going on as well. I can just about accept letting the ones already there keep playing.


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[hibsbollah]

Its more and more apparent that the rampant optimism about Ukraine 'defeating' Russia in a meaningful sense was totally overblown. Too much kool-aid. All sources clear that Russian forces making inroads into Ukrainian defences in the East of the country, with several key cities now completely surrounded. This is looking depressingly like a long war, with major implications on world food supplies and economic stability.

[Ozyhibby]

Its more and more apparent that the rampant optimism about Ukraine 'defeating' Russia in a meaningful sense was totally overblown. Too much kool-aid. All sources clear that Russian forces making inroads into Ukrainian defences in the East of the country, with several key cities now completely surrounded. This is looking depressingly like a long war, with major implications on world food supplies and economic stability.

I don’t think much has changed the last few weeks. The Russians are throwing lots of forces at a much more modest advance and the Ukrainians are sacrificing that territory while the bring their new weaponry to the front line. I personally don’t think the war will last the year and I think the Russians will lose.


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[hibsbollah]

I don’t think much has changed the last few weeks.

Seriously? I must admit i dont follow the military daily updates, but every news report and statement by military and political heads of state seem to have become much more negative in the last week, talking about how the supply lines are shorter now, there are more hardened fighters joining the fray with Syria experience in the heart of the battle, was just listening to an ex US general on the radio about it just now.

[Stairway 2 7]

I think this map shows it well. Russias aims are getting smaller by the week. Most say whatever Russia are wanting to do they need to do it soon. Its a bit of a standstill the last few weeks. The difference is Ukraine supplies are getting replenished whilst Russia is dwindling.

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[Glory Lurker]

I agree with Bollah. Much as I'd like to subscribe to Ozy's and Stairway's optimism, all the sounds I'm picking up are that the tide has turned in Russia's favour. It's not as if they're romping it, not a bit, but they are consistently advancing.

[Smartie]

Seriously? I must admit i dont follow the military daily updates, but every news report and statement by military and political heads of state seem to have become much more negative in the last week, talking about how the supply lines are shorter now, there are more hardened fighters joining the fray with Syria experience in the heart of the battle, was just listening to an ex US general on the radio about it just now.

They did say this would happen a few weeks ago - that Russia would gain territory but lose more troops and equipment. How it’s going relative to expectation, I don’t know.

The tone has certainly changed though to one that is a bit more pessimistic sounding from the Ukrainian point of view.

It’s still hard to see any sort of realistically decent outcome.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1530077202670407682?s=21&t=3I5HPtfBt4gqTB6W73vZFQ

Thread on recent Russian advances.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/chriso_wiki/status/1529742247767511041?s=21&t=3I5HPtfBt4gqTB6W73vZFQ

Another good thread on what’s happening.


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