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Since90+2
25-02-2022, 05:59 PM
Russia seem to be taking over Ukraine at an astonishing speed from all directions and aren't far off the Government district in the Kiev.

Its a highly impressive military performance in just a few days and seems extraordinary well planned.

No wonder the Ukraine leadership are trying to get some sort of peace talks going giving into all the Russian demands about NATO membership and neutrality.

Its a pretty forlon hope and the Americans are going to have to fly them out soon as the puppet government the Russians put in place wont be showing them any favors.

The Russian Military are highly trained, equipped and most importantly when it comes to ground troops, highly motivated and emotionally invested in the cause they see themselves fighting for.

If people think that sticking US/UK/French ect troops on the ground to rebuff them will lead to some form of rapid recapture of Ukrainian land they are sadly mistaken.

What has happened in Ukraine is absolute tragedy and the actions by the Russian Federation are despicable but unfortunately there isn't a way that you are removing them from Ukrainian soil without an unthinkable loss of life (and even then I'd not be sure of a NATO victory).

Ozyhibby
25-02-2022, 06:00 PM
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1497280830045044741?s=21


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Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:01 PM
Indiscriminate shelling

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1497268652361478146
Oliver Alexander
@OAlexanderDK
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Car in Kharkiv today narrowly avoiding a Grad MLRS barrage

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·26m
All the videos and photos of Russia aggression are super important.

Keep tweeting them!

It is live evidence for future trials of Putin and his oligarchs in The Hague

says Ukrainian MP @lesiavasylenko

CropleyWasGod
25-02-2022, 06:02 PM
The Russian Military are highly trained, equipped and most importantly when it comes to ground troops, highly motivated and emotionally invested in the cause they see themselves fighting for.

If people think that sticking US/UK/French ect troops on the ground to rebuff them will lead to some form of rapid recapture of Ukrainian land they are sadly mistaken.

What has happened in Ukraine is absolute tragedy and the actions by the Russian Federation are despicable but unfortunately there isn't a way that you are removing them from Ukrainian soil without an unthinkable loss of life (and even then I'd not be sure of a NATO victory).

Question. To what extent are the Russians conscripts or National Service?

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:03 PM
Conflict News
@Conflicts
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Replying to
@Conflicts
and
@nexta_tv
UPDATE: Kyiv's Mayor Klitchko says that 5 explosions targeted the area near the CHP-6 power plant, emergency services heading to the site now

The Baldmans Comb
25-02-2022, 06:09 PM
It seems pretty desperate in Kiev as they are now giving out rifles to the anyone who wants them. It would be a brave civilian who takes up arms against a Russian tank.

The Ukrainians must expect that Kiev will be surrounded by next week and then with total air superiority the Russians just close the net and once the central government gives up or flees then mainstream resistance in the rest of the country will end.

Its all very similar tactics to the Americans who went straight for Baghdad, deposed the leadership and then mopped up afterwards.

Kato
25-02-2022, 06:13 PM
https://twitter.com/pickardje/status/1497270460396015621?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhy does he need an "explanation". Go further down that twitter feed and it reveals that it is common knowledge and he been noted in the press down the years.

The last thing we need is average politicians feigning surprise and being disingenuous.

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Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:16 PM
It seems pretty desperate in Kiev as they are now giving out rifles to the anyone who wants them. It would be a brave civilian who takes up arms against a Russian tank.

The Ukrainians must expect that Kiev will be surrounded by next week and then with total air superiority the Russians just close the net and once the central government gives up or flees then mainstream resistance in the rest of the country will end.

Its all very similar tactics to the Americans who went straight for Bagdad and then mopped up afterwards.

Why post your fictional scenarios. They have been on the edge of kiev since Sun rise no one is fleeing. Every man in Ukraine has military training and now an ak47, loss of lives on both sides will be horrendous

Bostonhibby
25-02-2022, 06:17 PM
Why does he need an "explanation". Go further down that twitter feed and it reveals that it is common knowledge and he been noted in the press down the years. It's not as if he was business secretary or anything like that.

The last thing we need is average politicians feigning surprise and being disingenuous.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkIt's almost as if one of the thicker career creep politicians couldnt have ever discovered at any time during his ministerial career where, and how, one of Britain's biggest businesses does business. I mean if he wasnt business secretary......

Good deflective soundbite for mass consumption though.

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Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:19 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·8mPornhub cockblocks Russian users.

In the biggest blow yet, Pornhub imposes content block on Russian users

Russian users who tried to go on PornHub were presented with a message saying the content is blocked along with a Ukrainian flag and a message of support to Ukraine

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:21 PM
World Events Live - Jon@IdeologyWars·1mReplying to @IdeologyWars

🚨🇺🇦 KYIV POWER PLANT DESTROYED, MUCH OF CITY WITHOUT POWER

Since90+2
25-02-2022, 06:24 PM
Why post your fictional scenarios. They have been on the edge of kiev since Sun rise no one is fleeing. Every man in Ukraine has military training and now an ak47, loss of lives on both sides will be horrendous

There's a massive difference between having some basic military training and being a fully fledged and battle hardened infantry soldier. And that's even before we take into account the Russian special forces, who are atleast the equal of anyone in the world.

I'd be very surprised if Kiev doesn't fall within the next 48 hours or so.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:25 PM
There's a massive difference between having some basic military training and being a fully fledged and battle hardened infantry soldier.

I'd be very surprised if Kiev doesn't fall within the next 48 hours or so.

Of course it will fall I said the deaths will be horrendous in the thousands

bingo70
25-02-2022, 06:27 PM
Not got anything relevant to contribute to the thread but just wanted to say thanks tk everyone who has been posting.

I’m not knowledgeable at all with this kind of thing but I’d love to be. This thread has really helped me understand what’s going on.

Really interesting thread, just a shame it’s needed.

Thanks

The Baldmans Comb
25-02-2022, 06:29 PM
Zelinsky is already asking the Russians for talks about Ukraine becoming a neutral country and not becoming members of Nato.

Thats a very significant development as the Ukrainians couldn't have expected to be fighting in the streets of Kiev after just 2 days.

The Russians have agreed to think about it which probably means "GTF" as we are taking Kiev first and putting our puppets in your place.

Its as if Russia and the USA just copied each others strategic manual except that the Russians never even bothered about the weapons of mass destruction fairy story.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:32 PM
Zelinsky is already asking the Russians for talks about Ukraine becoming a neutral country and not becoming members of Nato.

Thats a very significant development as the Ukrainians couldn't have expected to be fighting in the streets of Kiev after just 2 days.

The Russians have agreed to think about it which probably means "GTF" as we are taking Kiev first and putting our puppets in your place.

Its as if Russia and the USA just copied each others strategic manual except that the Russians never even bothered about the weapons of mass destruction fairy story.

Your just trolling and spreading misinformation please don't, just about everything there is false

Gordy M
25-02-2022, 06:37 PM
Its hard to tell exactly what Putins end game is. It would be extremely difficult for him to occupy Ukraine if he does suceed in removing the current govt. Could he split the coumtry in 2, taking on the rebel held areas and the west of the country basically de-millitarised?

I dont think he is daft enough to attack Nato countries, its one thing invading a country you are already at 'war' with and sending in troops, with little risk to his own population. Its a different thing if he attacks a Nato country and missiles start landing in St Petersburg or Moscow.

lapsedhibee
25-02-2022, 06:37 PM
The last thing we need is average politicians feigning surprise and being disingenuous.

If only.

stokesmessiah
25-02-2022, 06:41 PM
It seems pretty desperate in Kiev as they are now giving out rifles to the anyone who wants them. It would be a brave civilian who takes up arms against a Russian tank.

The Ukrainians must expect that Kiev will be surrounded by next week and then with total air superiority the Russians just close the net and once the central government gives up or flees then mainstream resistance in the rest of the country will end.

Its all very similar tactics to the Americans who went straight for Baghdad, deposed the leadership and then mopped up afterwards.

You have just come on here and praised the speed the Russians army performance and then this one, when the news is full of people signing up, taking up arms and making Molotov cocktails. Bit strange.

The Baldmans Comb
25-02-2022, 06:42 PM
Your just trolling and spreading misinformation please don't, just about everything there is false

The sources are the BBC for the story about 18,000 rifles being giving out and the Associated Press agency for the story about Zelinsky trying to negotiate.

The Russian minister Lavorov has a direct quote saying that Zelinsky "should have thought about this earlier" and then there was some talk and backpedalling about whether they should meet in Belarus or Warsaw.

Thats just the Russians buying time while they take Kiev as they aren't going to negotiate with anyone.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:43 PM
Its hard to tell exactly what Putins end game is. It would be extremely difficult for him to occupy Ukraine if he does suceed in removing the current govt. Could he split the coumtry in 2, taking on the rebel held areas and the west of the country basically de-millitarised?

I dont think he is daft enough to attack Nato countries, its one thing invading a country you are already at 'war' with and sending in troops, with little risk to his own population. Its a different thing if he attacks a Nato country and missiles start landing in St Petersburg or Moscow.

That's what the presumption is. East and south Ukraine get annexed and have their own governments. Then the West has a puppet government come in. Putin is apparently surprised at the hostility of the Ukrainians, he was even hoping many would change sides, deranged

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:46 PM
The sources are the BBC for the story about 18,000 rifles being giving out and the Associated Press agency for the story about Zelinsky trying to negotiate.

The Russian minister Lavorov has a direct quote saying that Zelinsky "should have thought about this earlier" and then there was some talk and backpedalling about whether they should meet in Belarus or Warsaw.

Thats just the Russians buying time while they take Kiev as they aren't going to negotiate with anyone.

Pish Russia are asking for talks in Minsk. I've watched a number of videos from Zelensky he's wanting arms and soldiers to fight until the end, he could have ran like klitchko. There has been universal praise for the bravery of the Ukrainian troops

H18 SFR
25-02-2022, 06:47 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60517348

Quite inspired to see football teams doing this. I would love us to do the same.

HibsGW
25-02-2022, 06:47 PM
The sources are the BBC for the story about 18,000 rifles being giving out and the Associated Press agency for the story about Zelinsky trying to negotiate.

The Russian minister Lavorov has a direct quote saying that Zelinsky "should have thought about this earlier" and then there was some talk and backpedalling about whether they should meet in Belarus or Warsaw.

Thats just the Russians buying time while they take Kiev as they aren't going to negotiate with anyone.

Fingers crossed Ukraine get it right up them and then we all get to see your sad wee face after it

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:48 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60517348

Quite inspired to see football teams doing this. I would love us to do the same.

Brilliant

The Baldmans Comb
25-02-2022, 06:48 PM
You have just come on here and praised the speed the Russians army performance and then this one, when the news is full of people signing up, taking up arms and making Molotov cocktails. Bit strange.

I only look at it from a military perspective as the political perspective is of no interest
to me as I am not interested which country controls that part of the world.

I am sure the Ukrainians will fight for their capital like any brave person would but militarily speaking they don't have any chance.

Gordy M
25-02-2022, 06:51 PM
That's what the presumption is. East and south Ukraine get annexed and have their own governments. Then the West has a puppet government come in. Putin is apparently surprised at the hostility of the Ukrainians, he was even hoping many would change sides, deranged

Yep its an awful situation. It must be so difficult for the current govt. If they know they will lose and will be occupied they must be thinking about a truce to save lives, but that means giving in to Putins demands. Alternatively, if they bravely fight on, it will be with the distinct possibility of mass loss of life......horrfic.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:55 PM
Yep its an awful situation. It must be so difficult for the current govt. If they know they will lose and will be occupied they must be thinking about a truce to save lives, but that means giving in to Putins demands. Alternatively, if they bravely fight on, it will be with the distinct possibility of mass loss of life......horrfic.

They know truce means occupation unfortunately. I was watching interviews with the women and children crossing the border into Poland, their husbands staying to save their country brutal. Megalomaniac thinks these people will support who he puts in

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:55 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·4m

There is no doubt that the Russians own the airspace [...] this is something we have to help the Ukrainians address,

says @general_ben Hodges.

🇺🇸🇺🇦

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 06:58 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·9m

Audi, Jaguar Land Rover, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Citroen and General Motors will stop delivering cars to Russia

BREAKING: America’s biggest microchip company, NVIDIA is investigating a potential cyber attack that has taken parts of its business offline for two days

MORE: British Airways is also reported to be under an ongoing cyber attack that has affected its network systems

Hibernia&Alba
25-02-2022, 06:59 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·8mPornhub cockblocks Russian users.

In the biggest blow yet, Pornhub imposes content block on Russian users

Russian users who tried to go on PornHub were presented with a message saying the content is blocked along with a Ukrainian flag and a message of support to Ukraine

Millions of Russian stauners now flying at half mast. Put your weapons away boys.

StevieC
25-02-2022, 07:00 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·4m

There is no doubt that the Russians own the airspace [...] this is something we have to help the Ukrainians address,

says @general_ben Hodges.

🇺🇸🇺🇦

I’ve heard that the Ukrainian fighter planes are refuelling outside of Ukraine and then running sorties to try and support ground troops.

Bostonhibby
25-02-2022, 07:00 PM
Millions of Russian stauners now flying at half mast. Put your weapons away boys.W**k**s a plague upon them

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Kato
25-02-2022, 07:07 PM
If only.It was feint praise.

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Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:08 PM
I’ve heard that the Ukrainian fighter planes are refuelling outside of Ukraine and then running sorties to try and support ground troops.

Britain has an air refueling tanker circling in Hungary and the US in Poland. Rumours the ghost of Kyiv has taken down 6 Russian planes and is stopping in krakow for breaks

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:09 PM
Phil Stewart
@phildstewart
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NATO Secretary-General Stoltenberg said the alliance was deploying parts of its combat-ready response force and would continue to send weapons to Ukraine, including air defences "We are now deploying the NATO response force for the first time in the context of collective defence

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:10 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497301934914646025

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24

Polish football rivals have been united by Russia.

The fans are all chanting “Russian whores” repeatedly!

🇵🇱🇷🇺

Radium
25-02-2022, 07:10 PM
If I had a company that was owed a lot of money by a Russian company, I'm not sure how I would feel about their being removed from SWIFT.

For Governments, it's less about the money and more about the political fallout.

Hopefully the transactions are in Euros or Ł because US seems to have shut down $ transactions for a range of Russian banks.

Your expertise in this area is well ahead of mine, this was my source

https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1497181077953257491?s=21


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Kato
25-02-2022, 07:11 PM
I only look at it from a military perspective as the political perspective is of no interest
to me


Shouldn't wait until the war is over and read a book about it then?


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Callum_62
25-02-2022, 07:14 PM
Zelinsky is already asking the Russians for talks about Ukraine becoming a neutral country and not becoming members of Nato.

Thats a very significant development as the Ukrainians couldn't have expected to be fighting in the streets of Kiev after just 2 days.

The Russians have agreed to think about it which probably means "GTF" as we are taking Kiev first and putting our puppets in your place.

Its as if Russia and the USA just copied each others strategic manual except that the Russians never even bothered about the weapons of mass destruction fairy story.Nae borr Vladimir

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Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:18 PM
Conflict News
@Conflicts
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BREAKING: Russian troops have stopped near the northeast city of Konotop after suffering heavy losses during a fight, Ukraine's land forces said

WhileTheChief..
25-02-2022, 07:26 PM
Conflict News
@Conflicts
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39s
BREAKING: Russian troops have stopped near the northeast city of Konotop after suffering heavy losses during a fight, Ukraine's land forces said

Your posts have been fantastic today, thanks so much for doing this.

Haymaker
25-02-2022, 07:36 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·8mPornhub cockblocks Russian users.

In the biggest blow yet, Pornhub imposes content block on Russian users

Russian users who tried to go on PornHub were presented with a message saying the content is blocked along with a Ukrainian flag and a message of support to Ukraine

I know this is a serious situation but that is ****ing funny.

Lendo
25-02-2022, 07:36 PM
I’ve heard that the Ukrainian fighter planes are refuelling outside of Ukraine and then running sorties to try and support ground troops.

There are US refuelling tankers in the air flying 24/7 in Romania and Poland. I’m assuming they are there to support the Ukrainian fighter jets.

25589

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:36 PM
Your posts have been fantastic today, thanks so much for doing this.

No problem, hopefully can get some good news soon

WhileTheChief..
25-02-2022, 07:38 PM
I know this is a serious situation but that is ****ing funny.

Cutting off essential services, smart move.

Lendo
25-02-2022, 07:40 PM
There are US refuelling tankers in the air flying 24/7 in Romania and Poland. I’m assuming they are there to support the Ukrainian fighter jets.

25589

Also interestingly this Global Hawk drone has been up presumably doing recon for Ukraine. Took off from the British base in Cyprus.

25590

WhileTheChief..
25-02-2022, 07:41 PM
Tried going on Russia Today’s website but can’t get on.

Wonder if it’s been blocked or their choice to take it offline.

lapsedhibee
25-02-2022, 07:43 PM
Tried going on Russia Today’s website but can’t get on.

Wonder if it’s been blocked or their choice to take it offline.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/anonymous-attacks-russia-ukraine-invasion-rt-ddos-b2023177.html

Lendo
25-02-2022, 07:44 PM
Tried going on Russia Today’s website but can’t get on.

Wonder if it’s been blocked or their choice to take it offline.

Still accessible (sadly) through Virgin. Who is your internet provider? Maybe they’ve made the decision themselves.

Kato
25-02-2022, 07:45 PM
I know this is a serious situation but that is ****ing funny.Didn't know you were in Russia at moment, HM.

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Fuzzywuzzy
25-02-2022, 07:49 PM
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/936671-pm-imran-khans-visit-to-russia-well-thought-out-says-fm-shah-mahmood-qureshi

ronaldo7
25-02-2022, 07:50 PM
It seems pretty desperate in Kiev as they are now giving out rifles to the anyone who wants them. It would be a brave civilian who takes up arms against a Russian tank.

The Ukrainians must expect that Kiev will be surrounded by next week and then with total air superiority the Russians just close the net and once the central government gives up or flees then mainstream resistance in the rest of the country will end.

Its all very similar tactics to the Americans who went straight for Baghdad, deposed the leadership and then mopped up afterwards.

I think they might be used on different targets. Time will tell, but when/if the city falls, a new chapter of the war starts.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:50 PM
World Events Live - Jon@IdeologyWars

🚨🇺🇦 URGENT: Sirens sounding over all of Kyiv, if you are in the area seek IMMEDIATE shelter

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:52 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·5m

Ukraine’s Ministry of Interior has released pictures from today’s action in Kyiv during which they arrested Russian saboteurs who had disguised themselves in Ukrainian uniforms (breaking against the Geneva Convention

25591

WhileTheChief..
25-02-2022, 07:53 PM
Still accessible (sadly) through Virgin. Who is your internet provider? Maybe they’ve made the decision themselves.

Virgin!

Was curious to see how they are reporting things. I found Tass instead, grim.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:54 PM
Finland is not currently facing an immediate military threat, but it is also now clear that the debate on NATO membership in Finland will change,

says Finnish PM Sanna Marin

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:55 PM
Conflict News
@Conflicts
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NATO: Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg says that cyberattacks could trigger Article 5 of the organisation's charter, the so-called "commitment clause" that considers an attack on any NATO ally an attack on all

cabbageandribs1875
25-02-2022, 07:57 PM
Lucifer has a special seat at the table waiting on Putin

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 07:59 PM
Russian citizens private jets banned from UK airspace or touching down, effective immediately. Grant Shapps


Maxim Tucker
@MaxRTucker
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A friend trapped in Hostomel village, near the airport, says around 50 Russian tanks and 50 grad launchers gathered and moved toward Kyiv at 1800 - there has been heavy exchange of fire in that direction since. He said the airport had been destroyed and could not be used to land

WhileTheChief..
25-02-2022, 08:00 PM
Imran Khan visits Moscow to discuss Pakistan buying gas. Not great timing.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/936671-pm-imran-khans-visit-to-russia-well-thought-out-says-fm-shah-mahmood-qureshi


Sorry, just noticed this has been posted earlier.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 08:09 PM
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497316271016316946

Palats Ukraina metro station in #Kyiv. People have set up screens to air cartoons for children 😢

Tambo
25-02-2022, 08:15 PM
Your posts have been fantastic today, thanks so much for doing this.

Great updates.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 08:18 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·3m

Presidential Press Secretary says Ukraine has agreed to have talks with Putin

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 08:20 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·3m

Presidential Press Secretary says Ukraine has agreed to have talks with Putin

Illia Ponomarenko
@IAPonomarenko
· 7m
Presidential press sec says Ukraine has agreed to have talks with Putin. Right now, the sides are choosing the time and the place.
I most dearly hope they’re doing it right

B.H.F.C
25-02-2022, 08:21 PM
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497316271016316946

Palats Ukraina metro station in #Kyiv. People have set up screens to air cartoons for children 😢

Stuff like this is heartbreaking but, in some strange kind of way, totally inspiring seeing the resilience of people. Same with the video of the old boy turning up wanting to join the army.

hibsbollah
25-02-2022, 08:24 PM
Elena Kovalskaya, the director of Moscow’s Vsevolod Meyerhold State Theater and Cultural Center, has announced her resignation in protest against the invasion of Ukraine. “It’s impossible to work for a murderer and collect a salary from him,” she writes.

Never underestimate the power of the arts. Moscow’s Mayakovsky Theater has forbidden its actors from making “ANY comments AT ALL” about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The city’s Culture Dept. reportedly says any negative comments will be considered “treason.”

truehibernian
25-02-2022, 08:30 PM
Elena Kovalskaya, the director of Moscow’s Vsevolod Meyerhold State Theater and Cultural Center, has announced her resignation in protest against the invasion of Ukraine. “It’s impossible to work for a murderer and collect a salary from him,” she writes.

Never underestimate the power of the arts. Moscow’s Mayakovsky Theater has forbidden its actors from making “ANY comments AT ALL” about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The city’s Culture Dept. reportedly says any negative comments will be considered “treason.”

Truly brave move and that is ultimately how Putin will be removed from office - or worse - by actions and reactions from the people within Russia.

Don't know if you saw the interview earlier on the BBC with a Putin ally and ex-envoy bollah but he reckoned "protestors are arrested all over the world and there is no backlash", and that they are "only detained for 5 days" :rolleyes: if you look at the age profile of all their ministers, that tells the story, they all live in the 80's and have the ideology that's been passed down from generations of dictator-led regimes.

If ordinary Russians rise up it's game over for Putin.

WhileTheChief..
25-02-2022, 08:36 PM
If ordinary Russians rise up it's game over for Putin.

Plenty examples of dictators coming to a grim end at the hands of their people. It’s hard to see any other outcome for him in the end really.

It’s not like the Soviet days when the Russian people could only go by what they were told, they can see for themselves now.

Jones28
25-02-2022, 08:38 PM
Videos shared earlier of Chechen fighters apparently mobilised are seemingly old.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 08:42 PM
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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AFP- Maria Zakharova, Russia's foreign ministry spokeswoman, told a Russian TV station Friday night that relations with the West "have reached the line after which the point of no return begins

truehibernian
25-02-2022, 08:49 PM
Plenty examples of dictators coming to a grim end at the hands of their people. It’s hard to see any other outcome for him in the end really.

It’s not like the Soviet days when the Russian people could only go by what they were told, they can see for themselves now.

Agreed WTC, the real 'fight' for Putin will come from within, he's a dead man walking. The danger being however he wields the power right now and his irrational outlook on things preserves fear.

My ex is Polish and she texted today saying people back home (in Poland) are already fearful of an expansion of Russian oppression. NATO's announcement tonight concerns me, the mass of troops on borders will inflame tensions. The correctly applied sanctions, alongside garnering widespread Russian revulsion of Putin's actions will succeed in the mid to long term. Cut the head off the snake as they say.

truehibernian
25-02-2022, 09:00 PM
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·
11m
AFP- Maria Zakharova, Russia's foreign ministry spokeswoman, told a Russian TV station Friday night that relations with the West "have reached the line after which the point of no return begins

Having briefly read her bio, basically a racist anti-Semite whose father was a leading communist ambassador in China and where spookily enough she served her diploma apprenticeship :rolleyes: and she was given a role in their press office.........jesus wept :rolleyes: she's probably got a "Brezhnev" slagtag on her back too !!!

HibsGW
25-02-2022, 09:10 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497301934914646025?s=21

Poland Ukraine’s nearest neighbour and they seem to be giving them all of the help they can. Polish Russian relations aren’t good, looks like Poland are probably wanting to make sure the Russians don’t get close to their border and are giving Ukraine everything they can.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 09:13 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24

The battle for Kyiv is happening, says MP @SviatoslavUA

Ukrainian MOD- "Kyiv territorial defence have NLAW. Welcome to hell.
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Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 09:16 PM
Guy Elster
@guyelster
·
7m
UK Defense Ministry: Russian forces advance across #Ukraine, but faces strong resistance. The Russian plan to encircle #Kyiv and approaching it from multiple axis

President #Zelensky says #Russia army will "storm" #Kyiv tonight, calls residents to defend the city

Gordy M
25-02-2022, 09:17 PM
Apparently a demonstration of 30000 in Tblisi against Russia.

Sir David Gray
25-02-2022, 09:28 PM
Apparently a demonstration of 30000 in Tblisi against Russia.

Yep seems to be a protest against their own government's lack of action against Russia as it is against Russia themselves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60517447?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6219484aec502b53cd47fab0%26Mass%20Geor gian%20protest%20against%20Russian%20invasion%2620 22-02-25T22%3A11%3A50.481Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:8f98b0f7-04ea-4628-97b8-4e642d64d251&pinned_post_asset_id=6219484aec502b53cd47fab0&pinned_post_type=share

hibsbollah
25-02-2022, 09:35 PM
Barney Ronay very good on Putin and sports washing generally

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/feb/25/uefa-and-fifa-are-too-late-russias-sportswashing-has-served-its-purpose

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 09:36 PM
Brutal, good luck

Ukrainian President Zelensky - "This night they will launch an assault.

The enemy will use all of their power on all fronts to break our defence.

This night we have to stand ground. The fate of Ukraine is being decided now

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 09:38 PM
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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2m
The Ukrainians have had time to get into positions inside Kyiv. If the Russians are trying to make a large push tonight, it’s going to be some ugly urban fighting

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 09:46 PM
Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
1m
BREAKING: Draft UN Security Council resolution demanding the immediate and complete withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine vetoed by Russia, however, China abstained

JeMeSouviens
25-02-2022, 09:48 PM
Grim

https://twitter.com/scribblercat/status/1497338480061526018?s=21

SaulGoodman
25-02-2022, 09:51 PM
Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
1m
BREAKING: Draft UN Security Council resolution demanding the immediate and complete withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine vetoed by Russia, however, China abstained

Thought China would Veto. That’s quite significant that they would abstain considering they are supposed allies.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 09:54 PM
Thought China would Veto. That’s quite significant that they would abstain considering they are supposed allies.
Yep surprised, Russia on its own

Mark Stone
@Stone_SkyNews
· 1h
Hearing that western diplomats at the Security Council are increasingly confident that they have peeled China away from Russia in the imminent vote, persuading Beijing to abstain rather than vote against the resolution. In the quest to isolate Russia this would be significant

JeMeSouviens
25-02-2022, 09:57 PM
Zelensky tweets that thanks to France, SWIFT disconnection has been approved.

WhileTheChief..
25-02-2022, 09:57 PM
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·
2m
The Ukrainians have had time to get into positions inside Kyiv. If the Russians are trying to make a large push tonight, it’s going to be some ugly urban fighting

Terrifying.

It would be unbelievable if it wasn't for the horrific first hand accounts of what is happening.

Surely to God some Russian commanders will say no to fighting civilians. Can't get my head around this at all.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 10:02 PM
Could be hundreds dead unfortunately regardless of sides, if it was full of infantry

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·
3m
Ukrainian military claims it downed a Russian IL-76 near Kyiv

Illia Ponomarenko
@IAPonomarenko
·
7m
JUST IN:
Ukraine’s Air Defense downed a Russian Ilyushin II-76 carrying a landing force near Vasylkiv south of Kyiv

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 10:04 PM
Could be hundreds dead unfortunately regardless of sides, if it was full of infantry

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·
3m
Ukrainian military claims it downed a Russian IL-76 near Kyiv

Illia Ponomarenko
@IAPonomarenko
·
7m
JUST IN:
Ukraine’s Air Defense downed a Russian Ilyushin II-76 carrying a landing force near Vasylkiv south of Kyiv

Gerald Foster
@Foster_Speaks
·
5m
Replying to
@Osinttechnical
Il-76MD-90A can carry 126 parachutists or 145 troops in single deck arrangement and 225 troops in double-deck arrangement

James310
25-02-2022, 10:16 PM
Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
1m
BREAKING: Draft UN Security Council resolution demanding the immediate and complete withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine vetoed by Russia, however, China abstained

China abstaining is significant, but also could make Putin feel more isolated and put him in a frame of mind where he feels he has nothing to lose now, who knows where that leads him.

AugustaHibs
25-02-2022, 10:25 PM
I know it’s totally unrelated and not in the slightest important but seeing the great work that S27 is doing copying tweets onto here, can we please get the ability to embed tweets on here?

It’s not 2004 and considering there is paying members it would be a good and not before it’s time addition.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 10:25 PM
When Putin takes Ukraine it doesn't end there. These kids and their generation were born in a free Ukraine and won't give their country up easily

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·3m

Unsure of the future, Yaryna Arieva and Sviatoslav Fursin rushed their wedding and got married to the sounds of sirens blaring the Russian invasion.

Straight after their wedding, they both joined the local Territorial Defense Center to help efforts to defend the country

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truehibernian
25-02-2022, 10:26 PM
Grim

https://twitter.com/scribblercat/status/1497338480061526018?s=21

Putin needs eliminated at all costs, as does his regime. He's gone beyond trial, he needs to go.

Stairway 2 7
25-02-2022, 10:52 PM
Off to bed, hopefully wake up to Ukraine with a hold of her capital. This image will easily be placed in the future due to the face masks. Hopefully these wee ones in Kyiv can sleep tonight.

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·11m
These are the victims of Russian invasion.

These children are hiding in bomb shelters instead of doing their homework, playing or spending time with their families

🇺🇦
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AugustaHibs
25-02-2022, 10:53 PM
Off to bed, hopefully wake up to Ukraine with a hold of her capital. This image will easily be placed in the future due to the face masks. Hopefully these wee ones in Kyiv can sleep tonight.

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·11m
These are the victims of Russian invasion.

These children are hiding in bomb shelters instead of doing their homework, playing or spending time with their families

🇺🇦
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Words can’t ****ing describe my feelings at the moment.

Hope you manage to sleep well and wake up to ‘good’ news.

AliboyFC
25-02-2022, 11:11 PM
A lot of the Ukrainian football clubs hooligans are fighting for their country helping the army forming military groups.

stokesmessiah
25-02-2022, 11:15 PM
I think the west need to show solidarity now. Putin is pushing on the basis that he thinks there will be no strong reaction. There needs to a strong message that if Putin does not stop the west will retaliate…test his resolve.

LunasBoots
25-02-2022, 11:37 PM
A lot of the Ukrainian football clubs hooligans are fighting for their country helping the army forming military groups.

Swen photos of all Dynamo Kiev hooligans who have signed up to defend there country, can't imagine football will take place with Ukrainian sides for a long time

Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 12:38 AM
Having briefly read her bio, basically a racist anti-Semite whose father was a leading communist ambassador in China and where spookily enough she served her diploma apprenticeship :rolleyes: and she was given a role in their press office.........jesus wept :rolleyes: she's probably got a "Brezhnev" slagtag on her back too !!!

Sexist expression.


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Jones28
26-02-2022, 01:02 AM
https://twitter.com/iaponomarenko/status/1497341281604976645?s=21

A light in the dark. ❤️

SteveHFC
26-02-2022, 01:55 AM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497401780862394370?s=21

Jones28
26-02-2022, 04:58 AM
Strong rumours that Ukrainian anti air craft fire took out two Russian transport planes that could have been carrying 230 paratroops each.

Looks like Kiev has been held.

Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 05:23 AM
https://samf.substack.com/p/a-reckless-gamble?r=15i4j0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=url


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hibsbollah
26-02-2022, 06:11 AM
A lot of care needs to be taken with this social media content. Quite a few images from previous conflicts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60528276

Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 06:17 AM
https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1497452921063194624?s=21

Zelensky says he ‘needs ammunition, not a ride’. He fights on. [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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Pretty Boy
26-02-2022, 06:39 AM
https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1497452921063194624?s=21

Zelensky says he ‘needs ammunition, not a ride’. He fights on. [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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It's a pity this couldn't be settled by a square go. Zelensky would take Putin every day of the week.

More seriously I wonder if it is approaching the point where he can lead more effectively from safety. I respect his desire to stay and understand why he both wants to and the impact it has but if Kyiv falls in the next 48 hours then he is unlikely to be able to coordinate any kind of resistance.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 06:40 AM
https://samf.substack.com/p/a-reckless-gamble?r=15i4j0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=url


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Wow 👏 what a man. You can imagine they lot at Westminster flying to the Bahamas at the first gun shot. Boris was in a fridge to escape questions never mind death

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 06:54 AM
What a fight they are putting up

Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
·
3h
Replying to
@michaelh992
Overnight, #Russian forces have made their most serious attempt to take Kyiv so far

The attack involved an attempted landing at the Vasylkiv airport, south of Kyiv, as well as an attack along the Peremohy Avenue in central Kyiv

An hour ago the Ukrainian army reported that battle at the Vasylkiv airport were still ongoing. They also reported that a Ukrainian fighter attacked and destroyed a Russian Il-76 military transport

The Mayor of Vasylkiv reported a major Russian landing in Vasylkiv, fighting in the city and casualties. #Ukrainian 40th Brigade and Territorial Defense Forces responded to the attack

Inside Kyiv Russian forces pushed quite far, with clashes reaching Beresteyskaya metro station in central Kyiv where two vehicles and a tank were destroyed.

The #Ukrainian military claimed the Peremohy Avenue offensive was stopped.

We're getting into a dangerous phase of the conflict, as Ukrainian forces have put up a fight I think Putin might not have expected. The grad rocket/cluster attacks against cities in the east may be just a prelude, as Moscow is losing patience.

More should be done to stop this.

From the videos of Putin holding his "Spectre" meeting with his officials, it was clear that his advisors/senior Russian officials are scared of him. They may have been reluctant to give him an honest assessment of what a #Ukraine invasion would look like. Lies cut both ways

This morning, the mayor Vasilkov, stated that the fighting in the city - which was the target of the second major air assault by Russia near Kyiv - was ending. Vasilkov remains under Ukrainian control.

Two Russian Il-76 downed in the process


Moment of the strike on a building in Kyiv
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497472098876469249

Another video showing the aftermath of the attack
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497473642124488705

Ukrainian citizen removing the Russian flag in Chaplynka, in southern #Ukraine
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497474308578459649

Despite reports yesterday that Kherson in southern #Ukraine may have been lost after Ukrainian lines of defenses were broken, this video shows Ukrainian Anthem ("Ukraine has not yet perished") being played, Ukrainian flag still hanging.
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497475796876857345

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 06:57 AM
Deborah Haynes
@haynesdeborah
· 39m
BREAKING: UK armed forces minister @JSHeappey says he does not recognise reports that Ukrainian southern coastal city of Melitopol has fallen to Russian forces. He says Russian invasion plan is running “nowhere near” to schedule

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·28mThe head of the Ukrainian President’s Office just stated the Ukrainian Army has so far killed 3.500+ Russian soldiers and taken 200 as prisoners of war

Uk lost 1000 soldiers in 12 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, Russia lost 100 in 8 years in Syria for perspective

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 06:59 AM
Aftermath of the Russian missile attack on a high-rise building in Kyiv this morning.

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Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 07:09 AM
Ragıp Soylu
@ragipsoylu
·
58m
BREAKING — 28 nations, including the UK and U.S., have agreed to give more weapons, medical supplies and other military aid to Ukraine — Sky News

Losses of enemy Russian troops as of 6 am on February 26, 2022
Aircraft -14
Helicopters - 8
Tanks - 102
Armored combat vehicles - 536
Artillery piece - 15
Buk SAM - 1
Automotive equipment - 17
Personnel - 3500

Tim Judah
@timjudah1
· 2h
Kyiv now. Total silence. No Russians here in the centre.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 07:14 AM
Rob Lee
@RALee85
· 3h
Two US officials confirmed that Ukraine shot down a second Il-76 transport aircraft tonight. If true, this would be a really significant mistake for the Russian military, and possibly the worst loss of life for the Russian Airborne Forces since the 2nd Chechen War. twitter.com/JimLaPorta/sta…

World Events Live - Jon@IdeologyWars·3h🇺🇸 Biden instructs State Department to allocate $600 million in aid to Ukraine, including $350 million for defense needs

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 07:20 AM
Member of Russian Parliament openly opposes war

NEXTA@nexta_tv⚡️

The war must end immediately, said Mikhail #Matveev, a member of the #KPRF faction:

"When I voted for the recognition of the #DNR/#LNR, I voted for peace, not for war. I wanted #Russia to become a shield so that #Donbas would not be bombed, not for #Kyiv to be bombed

Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 07:37 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220226/9312d926536a4c972bbc98476d297e1a.jpg

Great news. This is what they lack most.


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Tambo
26-02-2022, 07:39 AM
Ukraine not allowing men who's old enough to fight leave? Not really got much of a choice I guess.

Full credit to all soilders fighting back.

WhileTheChief..
26-02-2022, 07:39 AM
Member of Russian Parliament openly opposes war

NEXTA@nexta_tv⚡️

The war must end immediately, said Mikhail #Matveev, a member of the #KPRF faction:

"When I voted for the recognition of the #DNR/#LNR, I voted for peace, not for war. I wanted #Russia to become a shield so that #Donbas would not be bombed, not for #Kyiv to be bombed

Hopefully the first dissenting voice that can lead to more.

Pretty Boy
26-02-2022, 07:44 AM
I wonder what Putin is being told privately.

After the dressing down he gave a top official publicly would you like to be a senior member of the armed forces telling him this is turning into an urban war of attrition?

Kyiv will fall, there's an inevitability about that but a lot of Russians will die both before and after it happens.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 07:52 AM
guyelster
·
15m
#BREAKING #Ukraine Health Minister says 198 Public. including 3 children, killed since the start of #Russia's invasion

@Liveuamap
Multiple videos on social media of Russian military out of fuel, food and stuck on highways

The driver rolls up on the Russians, Russians say they are out of gas. The driver offers to tow them back to Russia
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497485623225200640

StevieC
26-02-2022, 08:07 AM
guyelster
·
15m
#BREAKING #Ukraine Health Minister says 198 Public. including 3 children, killed since the start of #Russia's invasion

@Liveuamap
Multiple videos on social media of Russian military out of fuel, food and stuck on highways

The driver rolls up on the Russians, Russians say they are out of gas. The driver offers to tow them back to Russia
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497485623225200640

This sort of thing is excellent for the resolute of the Ukrainian troops on the ground. Not that they need much, as the Snake Island audio clip showed.

Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 08:15 AM
I wonder what Putin is being told privately.

After the dressing down he gave a top official publicly would you like to be a senior member of the armed forces telling him this is turning into an urban war of attrition?

Kyiv will fall, there's an inevitability about that but a lot of Russians will die both before and after it happens.

I’m actually getting hopeful that Kyiv will stand. The Russians appear to be a shambles.


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Since90+2
26-02-2022, 08:20 AM
I’m actually getting hopeful that Kyiv will stand. The Russians appear to be a shambles.


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Kiev will 100% fall. Putin can't afford to lose face over this either domestically or internationally.

If Kiev doesn't look like falling in the next day or so Putin will absolutely flatten parts of the city with artillery with likely little consideration for innocent lives, it will be horrendous. He'll get his wish eventually, the only question is how many innocent people will have to die before he does.

AugustaHibs
26-02-2022, 08:21 AM
Footage online of multiple Russian tanks/trucks broken down on the motorway supposedly ran out of fuel.

In the footage the man recording, a Ukrainian citizen, stops to ask what the issue is.

‘We have broken down, we have ran out of fuel.’

To which the man recording replies;

‘I can help you, i will happily tow you back to Russia’

Brilliant

Tambo
26-02-2022, 08:22 AM
Been watching BBC news all morning, live reporter there getting interviewed and sirens go off.

Can't imagine how the people must feel.

Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 08:31 AM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497503440360120320?s=21


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Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 08:32 AM
Kiev will 100% fall. Putin can't afford to lose face over this either domestically or internationally.

If Kiev doesn't look like falling in the next day or so Putin will absolutely flatten parts of the city with artillery with likely little consideration for innocent lives, it will be horrendous. He'll get his wish eventually, the only question is how many innocent people will have to die before he does.

Your probably right and I’m just getting hopeful over these small successes.


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Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 08:33 AM
Jesus a massive column of destroyed Russian heavy vehicles and tanks

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497504093077708801

Gordy M
26-02-2022, 08:35 AM
Interesting interview with a Russian expert on Sky there. Reckons that Putin has misjudged the support he has at both home and abroad, and that this could be his downfall.

Jim44
26-02-2022, 08:36 AM
Kiev will 100% fall. Putin can't afford to lose face over this either domestically or internationally.

If Kiev doesn't look like falling in the next day or so Putin will absolutely flatten parts of the city with artillery with likely little consideration for innocent lives, it will be horrendous. He'll get his wish eventually, the only question is how many innocent people will have to die before he does.

Putin’s death is the only certainty here. If one of his own or some other dissenter doesn’t eventually take him out, he will commit suicide?

Since90+2
26-02-2022, 08:39 AM
Putin’s death is the only certainty here. If one of his own or some other dissenter doesn’t eventually take him out, he will commit suicide?

I'm not seeing that, unfortunately.

SideBurns
26-02-2022, 08:44 AM
Interesting that China didn't oppose the UN resolution to condemn the invasion, just abstained? BBC said it's a sign of Putin's growing isolation; wonder what China are saying to him privately?

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 08:44 AM
Guy Elster
@guyelster
·
5m
Replying to
@guyelster
Poland's Football Association says #Poland will not play a World Cup qualifying soccer match #against Russia next month due the invasion to #Ukraine

Hibrandenburg
26-02-2022, 08:51 AM
Interesting that China didn't oppose the UN resolution to condemn the invasion, just abstained? BBC said it's a sign of Putin's growing isolation; wonder what China are saying to him privately?

Russia will have been in contact with China before and during the invasion. It wouldn't surprise me if China encouraged Putin to do his worst and are now sat back with popcorn watching the drama unfold.

WeeRussell
26-02-2022, 08:52 AM
Putin’s death is the only certainty here. If one of his own or some other dissenter doesn’t eventually take him out, he will commit suicide?

I was wondering last night if it almost has to be a Russian that does him in at this stage. Unless things get a lot more messy than they already are.

Really encouraged by Ukraine’s fight, although it’s quite sobering to think even the positive news means many are losing their lives.

War is such a horrible thing and it’s **** that it still happens.

Gordy M
26-02-2022, 08:52 AM
Kiev will 100% fall. Putin can't afford to lose face over this either domestically or internationally.

If Kiev doesn't look like falling in the next day or so Putin will absolutely flatten parts of the city with artillery with likely little consideration for innocent lives, it will be horrendous. He'll get his wish eventually, the only question is how many innocent people will have to die before he does.

Wilst i dont disagree that may happen, Putin has said that one o the reasons he invaded is to 'free' the Ukrainian people and the ethnic russians living there. If he then starts to indiscrimately flatten areas of the country, he will surely lose even more support from his own population.

Since90+2
26-02-2022, 08:54 AM
Wilst i dont disagree that may happen, Putin has said that one o the reasons he invaded is to 'free' the Ukrainian people and the ethnic russians living there. If he then starts to indiscrimately flatten areas of the country, he will surely lose even more support from his own population.

I think the issue is it simply won't be reported that way in Russia, it will be spun in another way.

Pretty Boy
26-02-2022, 08:59 AM
I just watched a Ukrainian ambassador refer to Russia as 'the' Russia. At such a horrible time that is top level trolling.

The way so many Ukrainians seem to have maintained a sense of humour over the last couple of days is remarkable. Right up to their official government social media channels.

Keith_M
26-02-2022, 09:07 AM
You’re an apologist for a dictator who is rebuilding the Russian empire. His problem with Ukraine is the people and the politicians that they have elected.

They want to be a working democracy, he wants them to be subservient to him.

I will fall to Goodwins law. This is textbook Sudetenland

...


You're very close....

Crimea was the Sudetenland. Nobody stopped him so he's now invaded his 'Poland' (Ukraine).

We've already seen a number of 'Chamberlains' returning from 'Munich' (Moscow) with their guarantees of peace.



Normally Godwin's Law is the way to lose an argument, but there's just too many similarities in this case to dismiss it.

Tambo
26-02-2022, 09:09 AM
Reports of fighting now in Kyiv.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 09:11 AM
Wilst i dont disagree that may happen, Putin has said that one o the reasons he invaded is to 'free' the Ukrainian people and the ethnic russians living there. If he then starts to indiscrimately flatten areas of the country, he will surely lose even more support from his own population.

Indeed. I was reading that's why he's went for speed and stealth rather than full blown missile strikes. One he wants the Ukrainians to like him after he takes it. Two the public back home apparently don't mind as much Muslim lives lost but not Ukrainian public. There's millions of Ukrainians and people of Ukrainian decent in Russia and many Russians have been to the cities he's striking.

Problem is he thought it would be over by now and the frustration is showing unfortunately.

Keith_M
26-02-2022, 09:13 AM
Thousands of Ukrainian citizens based in Poland are now apparently returning to sign up to the army, to fight Russia.

I'm not sure where they're going to go to do that, though, as a large number of military bases have already been bombed and practically destroyed.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 09:15 AM
Guy Elster
@guyelster
#BREAKING Former #Russia President Dmitry Medvedev and now deputy chairman of its Security Council says Moscow’s expulsion from the Council of Europe could be an opportunity to restore the death penalty in Russia

Bostonhibby
26-02-2022, 09:21 AM
Guy Elster
@guyelster
#BREAKING Former #Russia President Dmitry Medvedev and now deputy chairman of its Security Council says Moscow’s expulsion from the Council of Europe could be an opportunity to restore the death penalty in RussiaA detail really as they were arbitrarily killing people they've seen as enemies in Europe anyway.

The similarities to Hitler's Nazi party leaders behaviours throughout this whole affair are remarkable, as someone else has said above, it's the price of appeasement and allowing Crimea to be Putin's Sudetenland.



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Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 09:21 AM
I think the issue is it simply won't be reported that way in Russia, it will be spun in another way.

I would imagine that the Russians will have access to the same social media that we do. And their close ties with Ukraine will mean that images and news will be being shared informally on message groups.


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Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 09:23 AM
A detail really as they were arbitrarily killing people they've seen as enemies in Europe anyway.

The similarities to Hitler's Nazi party leaders behaviours throughout this whole affair are remarkable, as someone else has said above, it's the price of appeasement and allowing Crimea to be Putin's Sudetenland.



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I would hope that if Russia ends up having to retreat that the Ukrainians make sure they push them out of the whole country including Crimea.[emoji1696]


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Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 09:26 AM
https://twitter.com/colinyeo1/status/1497322354044817409?s=21


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Bostonhibby
26-02-2022, 09:26 AM
I would hope that if Russia ends up having to retreat that the Ukrainians make sure they push them out of the whole country including Crimea.[emoji1696]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAmen to that, the question is will the despotic Russian leaders egos be able to sustain something less than success? If not then resorting to more destructive attacks with more destructive weapons might be how they try to achieve victory at all costs.

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Billy Whizz
26-02-2022, 09:28 AM
Guy Elster
@guyelster
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@guyelster
Poland's Football Association says #Poland will not play a World Cup qualifying soccer match #against Russia next month due the invasion to #Ukraine

Well done Poland. FIFA need to take this out of Poland’s hands, and ban Russia

Callum_62
26-02-2022, 09:31 AM
https://twitter.com/colinyeo1/status/1497322354044817409?s=21


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Bostonhibby
26-02-2022, 09:31 AM
Well done Poland. FIFA need to take this out of Poland’s hands, and ban RussiaAgreed, an interesting one as there will be plenty Russian money swilling around in Fifa and UEFA.

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Callum_62
26-02-2022, 09:32 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-evacuation-russia-b2023838.html

Can you imagine anyone in our government acting with such bravery and leadership??

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Since90+2
26-02-2022, 09:34 AM
Agreed, an interesting one as there will be plenty Russian money swilling around in Fifa and UEFA.

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One of Uefa's main sponsors is Gazprom, essentially the Russia national gas exporter. Gazprom are Russia's largest company and the biggest Gas company in the world.

Bostonhibby
26-02-2022, 09:35 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-evacuation-russia-b2023838.html

Can you imagine anyone in our government acting with such bravery and leadership??

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkI'm pretty sure if our PM could find his way out the freezer he'd have some strong words.........

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Hibrandenburg
26-02-2022, 09:36 AM
You're very close....

Crimea was the Sudetenland. Nobody stopped him so he's now invaded his 'Poland' (Ukraine).

We've already seen a number of 'Chamberlains' returning from 'Munich' (Moscow) with their guarantees of peace.



Normally Godwin's Law is the way to lose an argument, but there's just too many similarities in this case to dismiss it.

You're even closer :wink:

Crimea was his Sudentenland but he expected Ukraine to be his annexation of Austria. If the war bubbles over into a NATO member country, then that would be his Poland.

Bostonhibby
26-02-2022, 09:37 AM
One of Uefa's main sponsors is Gazprom, essentially the Russia national gas exporter. Gazprom are Russia's largest company and the biggest Gas company in the world.And that's the upfront cash that we see and hear about.
The head of UEFA, who are still dithering, received a "friendship " medal from Putin.

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Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 09:37 AM
NEXTA@nexta_tv·5m🇪🇪#

Estonia closes airspace to #Russian planes


That's a decent chunk of Eastern Europe blocked off to them. Hopefully eu follows as I don't think the rich Russians will be amused stuck at home

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 09:41 AM
Seen so many videos of boys in jeans and ak47s with Russian prisoners. National service when young obviously has its positives, a Nation of defenders

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
In #Nikolaev, the territorial defense got #Russian soldiers out of the basement
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497518588575559684

Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 09:43 AM
I'm pretty sure if our PM could find his way out the freezer he'd have some strong words.........

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If the Russians do get forced out of Ukraine you can bet your last pound he will be on the first flight over there to try attach himself to the glory.


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Bostonhibby
26-02-2022, 09:44 AM
If the Russians do get forced out of Ukraine you can bet your last pound he will be on the first flight over there to try attach himself to the glory.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHis oligarch pals all have decent private jets so you could be right.

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Hibrandenburg
26-02-2022, 09:48 AM
https://twitter.com/colinyeo1/status/1497322354044817409?s=21


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If true then that is utterly despicable.

JeMeSouviens
26-02-2022, 09:53 AM
What is 'everything possible' though? Putin's been planning for this invasion for many months, plenty time for him to ensure sanctions will have next to no effect on him (or at least not for a good number of months or even years, by which time maximum damage will have been inflicted on Ukraine's military assets and a regime change implemented). The US and Europe effectively gave him the nod by making clear last year that Ukraine was a long way from either NATO or EU membership (ie confirming to Putin that nobody would fight with Ukraine if he went ahead with full-scale invasion). Biden doesn't need Russia's gas, hence the reluctance to go beyond indignant speeches and threats of supposedly 'crippling' sanctions.

The terrifying reality is that neither diplomacy nor economic sanctions are alternatives to war when faced with a bampot like Putin.

I don’t think the invasion/occupation of Ukraine is going to be stopped in the short term and actual nato involvement leading to war is unthinkable tbh. But in the short/medium/long term we need to cripple the Russian economy even if it means another recession for all of us in the west. We can’t “go back to normal” again after this.

SideBurns
26-02-2022, 09:53 AM
Russia will have been in contact with China before and during the invasion. It wouldn't surprise me if China encouraged Putin to do his worst and are now sat back with popcorn watching the drama unfold.

I did hear yesterday (can't recall where) that Putin's offer (such as it was) of diplomatic talks with Ukraine resulted from a conversation with China, so perhaps they've realised it isn't going as well for Putin as they'd assumed it would.

Callum_62
26-02-2022, 09:54 AM
Russian cargo ship has been seized in the English Channel

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JeMeSouviens
26-02-2022, 09:55 AM
If true then that is utterly despicable.

In contrast, https://twitter.com/VasakovaLivia/status/1497327591602143237?s=20&t=kzG8SwmVDuUkJwZYsl2Hkg

If only we Scots could do the same. Heartbreaking.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 09:55 AM
Uk us and nato refueling planes Sent to the border
25598

France sends infantry to Poland, Estonia and Latvia

Keith_M
26-02-2022, 09:59 AM
You're even closer :wink:

Crimea was his Sudentenland but he expected Ukraine to be his annexation of Austria. If the war bubbles over into a NATO member country, then that would be his Poland.



Well, the Austrians welcomed Adolf with open arms (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Anschluss_Heldenplatz1.jpg), so that doesn't equate well to Ukraine.


Need to brush up on your history, Paul :wink:

Stick
26-02-2022, 09:59 AM
NEXTA@nexta_tv·5m🇪🇪#

Estonia closes airspace to #Russian planes


That's a decent chunk of Eastern Europe blocked off to them. Hopefully eu follows as I don't think the rich Russians will be amused stuck at home

Perhaps that is a way to put pressure on Putin longer term. If countries banned all Russian citizens from travelling abroad on holiday then the large number of them that presently love the freedom to travel would be extremely p****d. It wouldn’t affect the poorer Russians that can’t afford to holiday abroad anyway. According to a report on the radio yesterday the Canary Islands are hooching with Russians at the moment.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 09:59 AM
In contrast, https://twitter.com/VasakovaLivia/status/1497327591602143237?s=20&t=kzG8SwmVDuUkJwZYsl2Hkg

If only we Scots could do the same. Heartbreaking.

Eastern block are all helping out all they can for the Ukrainian refugees. Will be because they think they are kindred spirits or it could be them next. As the Eastern block nations were brutal and closed to Syrian refugees

Callum_62
26-02-2022, 10:01 AM
If true then that is utterly despicable.https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/status/1497143641034403849?t=6QT1XgBQn1nudJQs9_km8w&s=19

Do they need to make an appointment in advance?



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Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 10:02 AM
Perhaps that is a way to put pressure on Putin longer term. If countries banned all Russian citizens from travelling abroad on holiday then the large number of them that presently love the freedom to travel would be extremely p****d. It wouldn’t affect the poorer Russians that can’t afford to holiday abroad anyway. According to a report on the radio yesterday the Canary Islands are hooching with Russians at the moment.
Definitely and keep it up until they are out the country fully, so far I think
Uk
Poland
Czech Republic
Hungry
Estonia
Latvia

Keith_M
26-02-2022, 10:04 AM
In contrast, https://twitter.com/VasakovaLivia/status/1497327591602143237?s=20&t=kzG8SwmVDuUkJwZYsl2Hkg

If only we Scots could do the same. Heartbreaking.


What a difference in approach. That's what a country with any decency* would do.



* So not the UK

Ozyhibby
26-02-2022, 10:06 AM
Perhaps that is a way to put pressure on Putin longer term. If countries banned all Russian citizens from travelling abroad on holiday then the large number of them that presently love the freedom to travel would be extremely p****d. It wouldn’t affect the poorer Russians that can’t afford to holiday abroad anyway. According to a report on the radio yesterday the Canary Islands are hooching with Russians at the moment.

They are going to struggle to be able to pay for foreign travel now anyway. Apart from the collapse of the rouble and the deep recession they are heading into, I doubt European banks will be able to clear payments from Russian banks.


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Hibrandenburg
26-02-2022, 10:06 AM
Well, the Austrians welcomed Adolf with open arms (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Anschluss_Heldenplatz1.jpg), so that doesn't equate well to Ukraine.


Need to brush up on your history, Paul :wink:

That's why I used the words "he expected" in my post.Here's a wee test to help you brush up on your reading and comprehension skills. :wink:

https://www.testprepreview.com/modules/reading1.htm

Keith_M
26-02-2022, 10:08 AM
That's why I used the words "he expected" in my post.Here's a wee test to help you brush up on your reading and comprehension skills. :wink:

https://www.testprepreview.com/modules/reading1.htm



Englisch ist nicht meine Muttersprache.



:greengrin

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 10:08 AM
Cyprus and Italy officially agree, just Germany and Hungary to go

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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To disconnect #Russia from SWIFT, the consent of #Germany and #Hungary is needed. Diasporas call on all Ukrainians in these countries to go to government buildings demanding to support the disconnection of the aggressor country from the international bank system.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 10:09 AM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·
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Ukraine’s Ambassador to Germany, Andrij Melnyk, says he is baffled by the response he has received from German officials after asking for military aid.

He says that ministers he has talked to say “you Ukrainians have only a few hours left. There is no point in helping you now

grunt
26-02-2022, 10:09 AM
Well, the Austrians welcomed Adolf with open arms (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Anschluss_Heldenplatz1.jpg), so that doesn't equate well to Ukraine.
Need to brush up on your history, Paul :wink:Not all of them. The von Trapp family didn't welcome the Germans.

Hibrandenburg
26-02-2022, 10:09 AM
Englisch ist nicht meine Muttersprache.



:greengrin

:tee hee:

Radium
26-02-2022, 10:11 AM
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1497525665561812992?s=21


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Keith_M
26-02-2022, 10:12 AM
Not all of them. The von Trapp family didn't welcome the Germans.


Maybe not, but that wee rat of a boyfriend that Liesl was going out with was definitely on Adolf's side.

Not a surprise, as Adolf was from a wee town just up the road from Salzburg, so they probably used to chat in the local pub.

Colr
26-02-2022, 10:15 AM
Would be good to see us take on celtic whilst pairing our yellow shirts with blue shorts and socks.

Doubt it would be allowed!

He's here!
26-02-2022, 10:17 AM
You don’t agree that there are very blatant right and wrong sides of many historical events?

History has no 'sides'. It has no linear progression, no long term trend. Progress in one area is almost always counterbalanced by regress in another. As I said, the phrase is coined by progressives, eager to flaunt their supposed moral uprightness. History, though, cares not a jot for anyone's morality. It simply is.

Keith_M
26-02-2022, 10:19 AM
Would be good to see us take on celtic whilst pairing our yellow shirts with blue shorts and socks.

Doubt it would be allowed!


This may sound crazy, but I'm going up town today to try to find somewhere that sells Ukranian flags, to take one to the game tomorrow.


I realise that's mixing sport and politics, which I'm usually against, but I just want to do something to send out a message of support.

Santa Cruz
26-02-2022, 10:19 AM
sky news reporting from Dnipro now.

Hibbyradge
26-02-2022, 10:21 AM
Putin’s death is the only certainty here. If one of his own or some other dissenter doesn’t eventually take him out, he will commit suicide?

I can't see the ex- head of the KGB leaving himself open to assassination.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 10:24 AM
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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The French navy has intercepted a Russian cargo ship in the English Channel that was bound for Saint Petersburg

French officials said that the ship was intercepted in line with new European Union sanctions

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 10:25 AM
BM-27 Uragan MLRS with "Z" markers on the move. 2/
https://vk.com/milinfolive?w

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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Russia moving heavy unguided rocket assets towards Ukraine is definitely concerning

Santa Cruz
26-02-2022, 10:25 AM
I can't see the ex- head of the KGB leaving himself open to assassination.

He's got to trust someone to get his orders out. Nato's intelligence has been so good, the best chance to get him comes via a double agent imo.

Hibrandenburg
26-02-2022, 10:26 AM
I can't see the ex- head of the KGB leaving himself open to assassination.

He's lost the plot and with it any loyalty to him will start to dwindle. His personal security is dependent on loyalty.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 10:27 AM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·4m
Slovakia will help Ukraine with military material.

Aid consists of 12,000 pieces of 120mm ammunition, 10 mil. liters of diesel and 2.4 mil. liters of aircraft fuel.

The value of aid from Slovakia is approximately 11 mil. EUR.

Slovakia’s Minister of Defence

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 10:29 AM
The loss of lives and hardware for Russia is mental and for what?

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497533304970620932
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·3m
Ukraine has just downed a Russian plane near the city of Zhytomyr in Western Ukraine

The Tubs
26-02-2022, 10:30 AM
History has no 'sides'. It has no linear progression, no long term trend. Progress in one area is almost always counterbalanced by regress in another. As I said, the phrase is coined by progressives, eager to flaunt their supposed moral uprightness. History, though, cares not a jot for anyone's morality. It simply is.

Bollocks. It's impossible to calculate, I know, but if you imagine some kind of global aggregate social welfare, then people are far better off than pre-enlightenment, whether in relative or absolute terms.

How many live to after 30? How many have access to medical services? How many have a more dependable source of nurition? I could go on and on.

The environment's the enormous negative but the conversation does seem to be about people.

He's here!
26-02-2022, 10:31 AM
I’m actually getting hopeful that Kyiv will stand. The Russians appear to be a shambles.


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I fear Kyiv will be taken by tomorrow.

The West has turned up to this fight armed (as I heard one pundit describe it on Radio 4 earlier) "with a spreadsheet" - and even their financial weaponry is next to useless. They can't activate serious economic measures because Putin can simply retaliate in kind. And because Biden has no need of Russian gas, his grave rhetoric will remain little more than that.

As others have said, Putin needs taken out.

Pretty Boy
26-02-2022, 10:35 AM
The loss of lives and hardware for Russia is mental and for what?

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497533304970620932
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·3m
Ukraine has just downed a Russian plane near the city of Zhytomyr in Western Ukraine

The Russian body count must be growing at quite a rate.

Plenty of their soldiers will just be scared young boys too. All the propoganda in the world isn't going to assuage their relatives grief and anger.

Northernhibee
26-02-2022, 10:40 AM
The loss of lives and hardware for Russia is mental and for what?

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497533304970620932
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·3m
Ukraine has just downed a Russian plane near the city of Zhytomyr in Western Ukraine

Hopefully turns opinion of Putin from his advisors further south.

WeeRussell
26-02-2022, 10:42 AM
History has no 'sides'. It has no linear progression, no long term trend. Progress in one area is almost always counterbalanced by regress in another. As I said, the phrase is coined by progressives, eager to flaunt their supposed moral uprightness. History, though, cares not a jot for anyone's morality. It simply is.

Okay I’ll ask you again as that is just a meaningless, patronising, non-response (unless you believe there is never a right and wrong, as history is simply events in the past)… you don’t agree that there are historical events with very blatant right and wrong sides?

For (a very easy) example - those who supported adolf Hitler? Those who served Pol Pott?

Of course history is complicated and people do right and wrong all over the place, but being on the wrong side of history isn’t coined by people wanting to flaunt anything.

Do you think Putin is 100% in the wrong? Or are we all just flaunting our supposed moral uprightness.

Chorley Hibee
26-02-2022, 10:47 AM
guyelster
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#BREAKING #Ukraine Health Minister says 198 Public. including 3 children, killed since the start of #Russia's invasion

@Liveuamap
Multiple videos on social media of Russian military out of fuel, food and stuck on highways

The driver rolls up on the Russians, Russians say they are out of gas. The driver offers to tow them back to Russia
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497485623225200640

Can't help but question the truth of those figures, particularly given how many Russians the Ukrainians say they have killed.

Callum_62
26-02-2022, 10:54 AM
Incredible footage on SKY from Dnipro showing the community setting up what can only be described as a molotov cocktail making assembly line

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Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 10:54 AM
Can't help but question the truth of those figures, particularly given how many Russians the Ukrainians say they have killed.

Must have been over 300 on the troop carriers alone that us defence confirmed. We won't know but its clearly deadly and not what Russia wanted or expected

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 10:55 AM
Cyprus and Italy officially agree, just Germany and Hungary to go

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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To disconnect #Russia from SWIFT, the consent of #Germany and #Hungary is needed. Diasporas call on all Ukrainians in these countries to go to government buildings demanding to support the disconnection of the aggressor country from the international bank system.
Just Germany to go

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·17mBREAKING: Hungary no longer opposing SWIFT sanctions!

Source: Deputy Polish foreign minister @paweljabIonski

Moulin Yarns
26-02-2022, 10:58 AM
Well, the Austrians welcomed Adolf with open arms (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Anschluss_Heldenplatz1.jpg), so that doesn't equate well to Ukraine.


Need to brush up on your history, Paul :wink:

He was one of their own after all. 😉

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 11:03 AM
Slovenia joins others in banning Russian aircraft from its airspace

Estonia PM announces her country is banning Russian airlines from Estonian airspace

Chorley Hibee
26-02-2022, 11:11 AM
Must have been over 300 on the troop carriers alone that us defence confirmed. We won't know but its clearly deadly and not what Russia wanted or expected

I meant more in regards to Ukrainian deaths.

Seems very low given the huge loss of Russian life and ferocity of some of the fighting.

mjhibby
26-02-2022, 11:14 AM
Okay I’ll ask you again as that is just a meaningless, patronising, non-response (unless you believe there is never a right and wrong, as history is simply events in the past)… you don’t agree that there are historical events with very blatant right and wrong sides?

For (a very easy) example - those who supported adolf Hitler? Those who served Pol Pott?

Of course history is complicated and people do right and wrong all over the place, but being on the wrong side of history isn’t coined by people wanting to flaunt anything.

Do you think Putin is 100% in the wrong? Or are we all just flaunting our supposed moral uprightness.

Yes the west has made loads of horrendous moves throughout history but what putin has done has no backing from anyone even China which says plenty. Forget points scoring if he gets away with this what next. Doesn't bear thinking about.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 11:16 AM
I meant more in regards to Ukrainian deaths.

Seems very low given the huge loss of Russian life and ferocity of some of the fighting.

A sorry I've not seen Ukrainian soldier numbers latest civilian figures, deaths 230 and 3 kids ,severly injured 1190 and 34 kids

mjhibby
26-02-2022, 11:17 AM
Must have been over 300 on the troop carriers alone that us defence confirmed. We won't know but its clearly deadly and not what Russia wanted or expected

Thete is so much misinformation it's impossible to verify any figures. We will know soon enough whose telling the truth. I dread to think how many will lose their lives over something only putin seems to want.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 11:18 AM
No fly zones for Russia
25600

Although we're banned from Russian airspace too if that will effect many flights?

mjhibby
26-02-2022, 11:21 AM
What a difference in approach. That's what a country with any decency* would do.



* So not the UK

Exactly.Highlights what desperate excuses for a govt we have at Westminster. Humbled to witness such decency we seem to be sadly lacking.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 11:21 AM
Thete is so much misinformation it's impossible to verify any figures. We will know soon enough whose telling the truth. I dread to think how many will lose their lives over something only putin seems to want.

I trust the Ukrainians more than Russia as they are also reporting the towns lost. I saw a picture of a mobile crematorium Russia has to disguise the numbers of deaths

mjhibby
26-02-2022, 11:25 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-evacuation-russia-b2023838.html

Can you imagine anyone in our government acting with such bravery and leadership??

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A true leader in every sense of the word.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 11:36 AM
A true leader in every sense of the word.

Russia has managed to create a real hero. I've seen many Ukrainians say they wouldn't vote for him before but they will now

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 11:39 AM
Russia having a lot more success in the south than the tight battles in the North

https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1497549141303431169

Russian convoy in Dolynske, Zaporizhia region, Berdyansk district

Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
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Russian forces are pushing northwest of Berdyansk

oldbutdim
26-02-2022, 11:41 AM
Russia has managed to create a real hero. I've seen many Ukrainians say they wouldn't vote for him before but they will now

Let's hope they get the opportunity to do so.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 11:43 AM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·13m
Australia has suspended Russian propaganda channel “Russia Today

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·17m
I have come to Berlin to awaken the stony German conscience,

says Polish PM Morawiecki

Paulie Walnuts
26-02-2022, 11:44 AM
The Russian body count must be growing at quite a rate.

Plenty of their soldiers will just be scared young boys too. All the propoganda in the world isn't going to assuage their relatives grief and anger.

It really is terribly sad.

Every time I read that Ukraine have taken down a Russian plane etc I think that’s great news.

In reality, it’s hundreds of innocent Russian men being slaughtered because of their maniac President.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 11:53 AM
It really is terribly sad.

Every time I read that Ukraine have taken down a Russian plane etc I think that’s great news.

In reality, it’s hundreds of innocent Russian men being slaughtered because of their maniac President.

There was a thread I wouldn't want to put up with videos of Ukrainians talking to a dozen different Russian prisoners at different times. All of them seemed to genuinely not know what the battle was for. Some saying were on peace keeping we think others saying they were told they were on exercises

Lendo
26-02-2022, 11:58 AM
There was a thread I wouldn't want to put up with videos of Ukrainians talking to a dozen different Russian prisoners at different times. All of them seemed to genuinely not know what the battle was for. Some saying were on peace keeping we think others saying they were told they were on exercises

This might be true for the young grunts on the ground but surely the fighter and bomber pilots are more switched on to the targets being hit.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:00 PM
This might be true for the young grunts on the ground but surely the fighter and bomber pilots are more switched on to the targets being hit.

Indeed they all gave there year of birth as either 2000 or 01 02. I don't mean they don't know where they are just their heads will be filled with mince, it's Putin and his cronies that are the enemy

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:03 PM
Would love more details on that

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JUST IN - #Ukraine has rejected negotiations. The military campaign will now resume in "full force," the Kremlin proclaims

Kato
26-02-2022, 12:13 PM
Dunno if this intelligence is true or not but pretty astounding if so.

THREAD 1/7 Intel from a Ukrainian officer about a meeting in Putin’s lair in Urals. Oligarchs convened there so no one would flee. Putin is furious, he thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in 1-4 days.

https://t.co/8AoelUDWM9

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Lendo
26-02-2022, 12:16 PM
Dunno if this intelligence is true or not but pretty astounding if so.

THREAD 1/7 Intel from a Ukrainian officer about a meeting in Putin’s lair in Urals. Oligarchs convened there so no one would flee. Putin is furious, he thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in 1-4 days.

https://t.co/8AoelUDWM9

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<insert Hitler Downfall meme here>

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:18 PM
Many said twitter is down for many in Russia, I knew they had asked Facebook to filter information and they refused

Matthew Bodner
@mattb0401
· 26m
Seems like Twitter is being blocked on at least some Russian mobile operators. Anyone else experiencing this

Polina Ivanova
@polinaivanovva
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15m
In Russia, a planned partial Facebook shutdown; Twitter appears to be shut in Moscow too; media watchdog on a warpath against any media reporting anything from non-state sources about this conflict. Russia is being cut off from the truth

Lendo
26-02-2022, 12:19 PM
Dunno if this intelligence is true or not but pretty astounding if so.

THREAD 1/7 Intel from a Ukrainian officer about a meeting in Putin’s lair in Urals. Oligarchs convened there so no one would flee. Putin is furious, he thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in 1-4 days.

https://t.co/8AoelUDWM9

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If that’s true it’ll be very interesting to find out who within Putin’s inner circle is leaking or spying.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:23 PM
Dunno if this intelligence is true or not but pretty astounding if so.

THREAD 1/7 Intel from a Ukrainian officer about a meeting in Putin’s lair in Urals. Oligarchs convened there so no one would flee. Putin is furious, he thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in 1-4 days.

https://t.co/8AoelUDWM9

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Some thread decent source. Positives and negatives in it but it's really going to be a car crash either way

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:26 PM
Putins a tough guy, they should have a square go. Usyk flew from London to Ukraine to help, Vladimir underestimated the Ukrainian love for their country

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497555710808363013

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
The legendary #Ukrainian boxer Alexander Usik addressed the #Russians and #Putin personally

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:35 PM
Wow locals surrounding and trying to stop a Russian tank

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497564780227444736
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
In #Chernihiv, locals stopped a #Russian tank

grunt
26-02-2022, 12:38 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1497541002755817472?s=20&t=GjYDRQppNNr180MqS2cIrQ


A government that closes its borders to refugees from an allied state that is invaded during a time of war- as the UK is doing to Ukraine - is not hypocritical, insensitive or prevaricating. It is instead rotten to its racist core.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:41 PM
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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18m
Arestovich said that #Ukraine refused to negotiate with #Russia because the Russian demands are unacceptable and are an attempt to force surrender

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:41 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·18m
Ukraine’s Interior Minister Denis Monastyrsky says that more than 25 thousand automatic rifles and about 10 million bullets, RPGs and grenades have now been given out to volunteers just in Kyiv.

The minister himself is also in Kyiv and ready to fight

Hibrandenburg
26-02-2022, 12:41 PM
Just a wee reminder.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220226/82bafc22c3c34355ea04fae602902094.jpg

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Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:46 PM
Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·10m
China has relaxed restrictions on imports of Russian wheat

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·14m
Poland’s PM Mateusz Morawiecki has talked to Hungarian PM Viktor Orbán.

Morawiecki says that Orbán is now willing to support all sanctions against Russia

Visegrád 24 🇨🇿🇭🇺🇵🇱🇸🇰@visegrad24·3m
This is why I came to the German Chancellor,

to shake Germany's conscience

so that they decide on firm and crushing sanctions that will influence Putin's decisions,

Polish PM Morawiecki in Berlin

hibsbollah
26-02-2022, 12:46 PM
Thete is so much misinformation it's impossible to verify any figures. We will know soon enough whose telling the truth. I dread to think how many will lose their lives over something only putin seems to want.

:agree: I understand the psychological need to keep up to date with such a massive event but I’ve got no confidence that half of this footage is verifiable. Hard to know what and who to trust.

Pretty Boy
26-02-2022, 12:56 PM
Just a wee reminder.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220226/82bafc22c3c34355ea04fae602902094.jpg

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Him and George Galloway have gone proper mental on Twitter.

In Galloway's case anyone who thinks that daft hat he wears everywhere is a good look was certifiably insane anyway.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:56 PM
:agree: I understand the psychological need to keep up to date with such a massive event but I’ve got no confidence that half of this footage is verifiable. Hard to know what and who to trust.

It's easy with tanks and vehicles as the Russians have distinctive big either Z or O painted on the sides for this battle. The ones I've put up are from media with hundreds of thousands of followers and cross check the videos. Videos have been get flagged up quickly if from old battles.

SChibs
26-02-2022, 12:57 PM
Just seeing all these pictures of the Ukrainian leader with the body armour, greens and surrounded by soldiers etc were taken in September not this week. A bit misleading from the media there

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:58 PM
NEXTA@nexta_tv·
3m❗️There are no more opponents of disconnecting #Russia from #SWIFT in #Europe. A decision on this issue will be made in the coming days

Guy Elster
@guyelster
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3m
Replying to
@guyelster
#Ukraine President Zelensky says Erdogan agreed to block the passage of Russian warships to the Black Sea. Needs to see if Ankara confirms it

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 12:59 PM
Just seeing all these pictures of the Ukrainian leader with the body armour, greens and surrounded by soldiers etc were taken in September not this week. A bit misleading from the media there

I've seen a number of videos with him talking with all the gear on last night and this morning. Hopefully he's in the bunker in between takes

Kato
26-02-2022, 12:59 PM
If that’s true it’ll be very interesting to find out who within Putin’s inner circle is leaking or spying.Someone is given the Intel the USA have been publicising.

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He's here!
26-02-2022, 01:01 PM
Okay I’ll ask you again as that is just a meaningless, patronising, non-response (unless you believe there is never a right and wrong, as history is simply events in the past)… you don’t agree that there are historical events with very blatant right and wrong sides?

For (a very easy) example - those who supported adolf Hitler? Those who served Pol Pott?

Of course history is complicated and people do right and wrong all over the place, but being on the wrong side of history isn’t coined by people wanting to flaunt anything.

Do you think Putin is 100% in the wrong? Or are we all just flaunting our supposed moral uprightness.

I'm not talking about specific historical events. I'm talking about history as a living, moving entity which nobody knows the course of. It can't be scientifically deduced, or split into 'sides'. Hindsight (and clairvoyance) are not history. Sure, Marxists or totalitarian regimes down the ages have adopted a mantra that humanity is on a single, unalterable course, but they have constantly been knocked off that course and frustrated. Even a more liberal belief in an ever-improving, universal humanity has been regularly thwarted. You just need to look at the retrogressive, often irrational movements which continue to sweep the globe today.

SChibs
26-02-2022, 01:02 PM
I've seen a number of videos with him talking with all the gear on last night and this morning

I'm not saying he's not currently kitted out but it's irresponsible of the media to be putting up pictures fr September implying there are recent. What we need is accurate reporting from outlets not clickbait

Lendo
26-02-2022, 01:03 PM
NEXTA@nexta_tv·
3m❗️There are no more opponents of disconnecting #Russia from #SWIFT in #Europe. A decision on this issue will be made in the coming days

Guy Elster
@guyelster
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3m
Replying to
@guyelster
#Ukraine President Zelensky says Erdogan agreed to block the passage of Russian warships to the Black Sea. Needs to see if Ankara confirms it

This is an unbelievably danger development if true. Access to the Black Sea through the Bosphorus is protected in international law.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 01:05 PM
I'm not saying he's not currently kitted out but it's irresponsible of the media to be putting up pictures fr September implying there are recent. What we need is accurate reporting from outlets not clickbait

I think I know the picture you mean that's viral, him walking between the humvees smiling, yeah sure that's old. He'll be in a bunker coming up taking a video then back down probably

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 01:06 PM
This is an unbelievably danger development if true. Access to the Black Sea through the Bosphorus is protected in international law.

Not sure but I read yesterday that's only for vessels returning to port for some reason. The US were pushing turkey yesterday and they were keen but needed to know the legality

grunt
26-02-2022, 01:07 PM
Just seeing all these pictures of the Ukrainian leader with the body armour, greens and surrounded by soldiers etc were taken in September not this week. A bit misleading from the media there
What's your source for this?

makaveli1875
26-02-2022, 01:09 PM
This is an unbelievably danger development if true. Access to the Black Sea through the Bosphorus is protected in international law.

I think there’s an exception for war ships , Putin doesn’t seem to care much for international law anyway so **** him , anything to hamper this onslaught is welcome

Lendo
26-02-2022, 01:14 PM
I think there’s an exception for war ships , Putin doesn’t seem to care much for international law anyway so **** him , anything to hamper this onslaught is welcome

100% agree but to me the danger lies in retaliatory measures by Russia having a sympathetic Iran block shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 01:20 PM
What's your source for this?

Think maybe stuff like this that has almost 100k likes. Although not seen any posts implying it's him today
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Kato
26-02-2022, 01:24 PM
I'm not talking about specific historical events. I'm talking about history as a living, moving entity which nobody knows the course of. It can't be scientifically deduced, or split into 'sides'. Hindsight (and clairvoyance) are not history. Sure, Marxists or totalitarian regimes down the ages have adopted a mantra that humanity is on a single, unalterable course, but they have constantly been knocked off that course and frustrated. Even a more liberal belief in an ever-improving, universal humanity has been regularly thwarted. You just need to look at the retrogressive, often irrational movements which continue to sweep the globe today.History isn't hindsight?

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Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 01:26 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497577273196691458

Another massive Russian military column of vehicles destroyed in the battle to take Kharkiv. Can notice the z with the circle round it on some of the doors. Absolute madness this

Stairway 2 7
26-02-2022, 01:27 PM
NEXTA@nexta_tv·15m⚡️⚡️⚡️

Foreign Minister Kuleba reports that the process to disconnect #Russia from #SWIFT has begun

grunt
26-02-2022, 01:28 PM
History isn't hindsight?


Good point!


noun: history; plural noun: histories

1.
the study of past events, particularly in human affairs.