Ukraine

[Ozyhibby]

Think the end game will be:
Ukraine doesn’t join NATO
NATO withdraws from countries on Russia’s border
Russia withdraws from Ukraine
Russian sanctions removed.

Zero chance we are that generous now. I think any deal now will be dependent on Putins removal.
Russia faces absolute poverty now and have only one way to get it back. There will have to be a complete withdrawal of all Russian troops from Ukraine, including Crimea.
Ukraine will join the EU and NATO.


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[Keyser Sauzee]

Zero chance we are that generous now. I think any deal now will be dependent on Putins removal.
Russia faces absolute poverty now and have only one way to get it back. There will have to be a complete withdrawal of all Russian troops from Ukraine, including Crimea.
Ukraine will join the EU and NATO.


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I was thinking about the effect on the Russian economy last night, I’m not remotely clued up on economics but was thinking wouldn’t Putin have known these sanctions and consequences on the economy would be put on them and won’t he have been putting funds aside to prepare? That and the Russian wealth is pretty vast as it is?

[Callum_62]

Think the end game will be:
Ukraine doesn’t join NATO
NATO withdraws from countries on Russia’s border
Russia withdraws from Ukraine
Russian sanctions removed.Isn't that just exactly what Russia want?

It would be odd to allow this invasion to happen then just agree to all Russias demands

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[Jones28]

Think the end game will be:
Ukraine doesn’t join NATO
NATO withdraws from countries on Russia’s border
Russia withdraws from Ukraine
Russian sanctions removed.

I don’t think that will happen. A line has been crossed that cannot be uncrossed here.

NATO will not withdraw, and Ukraine will be welcomed in with open arms.

The relationship the west had with Russia has gone from uneasy peace to frosty, with many ties being cut. Russia will become a bit like North Korea until Putin is overthrown.

[Ozyhibby]

I was thinking about the effect on the Russian economy last night, I’m not remotely clued up on economics but was thinking wouldn’t Putin have known these sanctions and consequences on the economy would be put on them and won’t he have been putting funds aside to prepare? That and the Russian wealth is pretty vast as it is?

He did put massive amounts of funds aside. Problem is, they are held in European central banks and we have frozen them. He is now going to have to fire up the printing press as he has no way of borrowing. The only hard currency he will have is from gas sales and that’s not enough to replace what has been lost. Russian banks will start collapsing over the next few days. Hyper inflation is on the way.


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[hibsbollah]

Russia will become a bit like North Korea until .

That really isn’t a sensible option for anyone.

[SaulGoodman]

Sorry badly worded, meant this supposed meeting that is taking place. Think that would be Russia’s demands.

[WeeRussell]

Isn't that just exactly what Russia want?

It would be odd to allow this invasion to happen then just agree to all Russias demands

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I was saying to the missus last night that you can’t really imagine an agreement where everything calms down and Putin goes back to ruling Russia as before. He’s shown himself for the full-scale, nasty wee rat he is.. and things have gone too far.

He has to be ended I think.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I was saying to the missus last night that you can’t really imagine an agreement where everything calms down and Putin goes back to ruling Russia as before. He’s shown himself for the full-scale, nasty wee rat he is.. and things have gone too far.

He has to be ended I think.

It'll never happen but I'd love to see him standing in a dock being sentenced for war crimes or mass scale corruption of the Russian people.

One of those Russian docks where he's in a cage.

[JeMeSouviens]

Isn't that just exactly what Russia want?

It would be odd to allow this invasion to happen then just agree to all Russias demands

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No, Russia wants de facto control over E Ukraine and to effectively choose who governs the rest of the country. Ukrainians can have any government they like so long as Vlad likes it too. :rolleyes:

[Jim44]

Think the end game will be:
Ukraine doesn’t join NATO
NATO withdraws from countries on Russia’s border
Russia withdraws from Ukraine
Russian sanctions removed.


Sorry badly worded, meant this supposed meeting that is taking place. Think that would be Russia’s demands.

In other words, total capitulation by the west. No chance. Too many lines have been crossed with no going back for either side. We can only hope the rat isn’t cornered into taking madness on to another unthinkable level.

[SaulGoodman]

In other words, total capitulation by the west. No chance. Too many lines have been crossed with no going back for either side. We can only hope the rat isn’t cornered into taking madness on to another unthinkable level.

It’ll end in a way that the west can make it look like they won and Russia can make it look like they won.

Edit: That’s not what I want but that’s what I think will happen. Ukraine will stay an independent nation which the west will claim as a victory but they won’t join NATO which Russia will claim as a victory

[Ozyhibby]

It’ll end in a way that the west can make it look like they won and Russia can make it look like they won.

Edit: That’s not what I want but that’s what I think will happen. Ukraine will stay an independent nation which the west will claim as a victory but they won’t join NATO which Russia will claim as a victory

I think we are genuinely beyond that point. The Ukrainians have made sure of that. They have earned the right to have full independence and full autonomy to decide for themselves if the want to join NATO. Nobody will take that away from them now.
Russia are in a terrible bargaining position now. They are a population that relies heavily on imports. They make very little themselves. All imports have now stopped. No more iPhones, laptops, cars, TV’s, clothes from Europe etc etc. Even if the could import them, they won’t have enough roubles to buy them. There will be massive food shortages and all their savings are now worthless. At some point soon, they will have to depose Putin and then try negotiate some relief from sanctions. The price will be high.


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[Jones28]

That really isn’t a sensible option for anyone.

Maybe a bit extreme, but I did say "a bit", not the full hog.

Only until Putin is overthrown. When ordinary Russians start starving and not being able to pay their bills that will not take long.

[bawheid]

Whenever that question arises, the ‘no he wouldn’t/couldn’t’ conclusion seems to apply. That BBC article casts quite strong insight to his mindset and strong possibility that he ‘can and would’. He is capable of adopting anti Christ status.

You’d like to think that although Putin is a madman and probably would attempt this, he can’t just push a button himself and make it happen. He needs others to carry out the order for him. Hopefully there are enough semi-sensible Russians around him that would understand the chain of events that would happen if he tried the unthinkable. I think (and hope desperately) that if he gave the order, he would be swiftly removed from power.

[Lendo]

I don’t think that will happen. A line has been crossed that cannot be uncrossed here.

NATO will not withdraw, and Ukraine will be welcomed in with open arms.

The relationship the west had with Russia has gone from uneasy peace to frosty, with many ties being cut. Russia will become a bit like North Korea until Putin is overthrown.

Absolutely zero chance that NATO will withdraw out of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania and rightfully so. These countries won their right to be independent and join the EU/NATO. They will not give up those freedoms just to become vassal state of Russia again.

edit: replied to the wrong comment.

[Hibbyradge]

I think sensible heads in the West will now be thinking about ways to allow Russia to withdraw from this with some semblance of security; financial, economic, strategic. The last thing you want when dealing with a nuclear power on their version of defcon5 is economic collapse and having nothing left to lose.

Not to mention saving Putin's face, even superficially.

This is assuming that they lose, of course.

[Kato]

Absolutely zero chance that NATO will withdraw out of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania and rightfully so. These countries won their right to be independent and join the EU/NATO. They will not give up those freedoms just to become vassal state of Russia again.

edit: replied to the wrong comment.

Putin was depending on the EU falling apart post-Brexit. Remember Farage saying he hoped other countries would follow England's example and come out.

What is occurring now is the EU is being galvanised in the face of a despot. Most/all countries in the EU will look at Ukraine and strengthen their resolve against his moves to build an empire.

Meanwhile the UK can peek through the window as spectators and carry on laundering stolen cash.

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[StevieC]

https://twitter.com/osicnick/status/1498022940759240717?s=21

There is a real tank theft epidemic developing in Ukraine.

I'm going to bring this back up .. not for the comical aspect of it, but for the back story.

My friend in Dnipro (who is heavily involved in supporting the military) has sent me the videos leading up to this clip and the back story shows a little bit of what the Ukrainian people are like.

If I find out how to transfer videos from my messenger to here I will add them at a later stage.


https://youtu.be/rqecdvlw0Fo

So .. two tanks roll up to a village in the Kharkiv region and the road is blocked by the inhabitants of the village (a combination of farmers, workers and women) who stand together to refuse them passage. They surround the tanks and are able to remove the tank crews and requisition their tanks without a single shot being fired. The Russian soldiers are taken prisoner and a local farmer hitches up the tanks and takes them away.

It shows how brave the the Ukrainian people are in the face of such aggression, and that they are fearless when it comes to defending their country.

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Idrees Ali
@idreesali114
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Ukrainian interior ministry adviser says dozens killed in mass shelling of Ukrainian city of Kharkiv - Reuters


https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1498265545984065537
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
The Russian Army keeps shelling residential areas in Kharkiv this morning.

The Russian campaign of war crimes continues

[lapsedhibee]

What is occurring now is the EU is being galvanised in the face of a despot.

It's almost as if international security might have been the whole point of the EU all along, and not the shape of bananas or electrical plugs at all. Who knew? :dunno:

[lapsedhibee]

Hopefully there are enough semi-sensible Russians around him that would understand the chain of events that would happen if he tried the unthinkable.

I wouldn't see many of the current UK cabinet stepping up if their dear leader was about to do something very stupid.

[Stairway 2 7]

Unfortunately seen a number of videos that I'll not put up from Kharkiv. Multiple apartments shelled, civilians dead in the street utterly shocking

[lapsedhibee]

I'm going to bring this back up .. not for the comical aspect of it, but for the back story.

My friend in Dnipro (who is heavily involved in supporting the military) has sent me the videos leading up to this clip and the back story shows a little bit of what the Ukrainian people are like.

If I find out how to transfer videos from my messenger to here I will add them at a later stage.

So .. two tanks roll up to a village in the Kharkiv region and the road is blocked by the inhabitants of the village (a combination of farmers, workers and women) who stand together to refuse them passage. They surround the tanks and are able to remove the tank crews and requisition their tanks without a single shot being fired. The Russian soldiers are taken prisoner and a local farmer hitches up the tanks and takes them away.

It shows how brave the the Ukrainian people are in the face of such aggression, and that they are fearless when it comes to defending their country.

Hypnosis?

[Kato]

It's almost as if international security might have been the whole point of the EU all along, and not the shape of bananas or electrical plugs at all. Who knew? :dunno:

True. It also seems beyond some people to imagine that. Still when the Russians sail up the Forth we can chuck all that sovereignty we've been cleverly stockpiling at them.

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[matty_f]

I know a guy who worked on submarines. Used to go away for months at a.time and even his wife had no idea where he was was or even heard from him till he got home.

How does one go about getting that job? Asking for a friend.

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24

There are “sanctions” and then there are sanctions.

Russia’s largest bank, state-controlled Sberbank, plummeted today when the market opened in Moscow.

What used to be the 60th largest bank in the world is now likely to go bankrupt

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/ignis_fatum/status/1498246090977681408

Yet another #Putin regime terrorists convoy was annihilated by the Ukrainian army today in Butcha, Kyiv region.

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1498244893621329922

Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
Ukrainian residents of border village near #Belarus and #Russia block a convoy of Russian forces

[Hibernian Verse]

The images & videos from Kharkiv on twitter are horrifying.

[hibsbollah]

How does one go about getting that job? Asking for a friend.

This is about to go viral :faf:

[degenerated]

I wouldn't see many of the current UK cabinet stepping up if their dear leader was about to do something very stupid.Not when they are off doing stupid things themselves25617

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[StevieC]

Hypnosis?

Possibly.

Although I suspect it is more down to the misinformation given to the troops from Putin about saving the Ukrainian people (and all the ethnic Russians) from the nazi government, and then discovering that this isn't the case and they don't really want to shoot unarmed civillians that are protecting their homes, their families and their country.

[hibsbollah]

Not when they are off doing stupid things themselves25617

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I would love Putin to give Truss a job. They’d be a good fit.

[bingo70]

Excuse me?

Sorry, I didn’t mean that to sound bad or disrespectful, it was a genuine question.

Will Russia not claim though that everybody is a threat to them now as the Ukrainians have been giving out guns to civilians?

That is in no way an attempt to defend what the Russians are doing, just what I think they will say.

Sorry if I have worded that badly. I will go back and delete my post.

[Hibbyradge]

Hypnosis?

These are not the Ukrainians you are looking for...

[degenerated]

I would love Putin to give Truss a job. They’d be a good fit.To be honest, I thought he already had. 2561925620

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Rouble value drops 30% to new record low, quite sad what's coming for the ordinary Russian citizen

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1498056686548013062?t=UHV_Uys7bkfchEHJawFmuw&s=19

Interesting a fairly long thread

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[Kato]

I would love Putin to give Truss a job. They’d be a good fit.Indirectly, he already has given her a job.

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[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498226752941965312?t=mspAWizbJ_LRKDFhwcKxXg&s=19

Ukraine asks for immediate EU membership

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[Kato]

Whenever that question arises, the ‘no he wouldn’t/couldn’t’ conclusion seems to apply. That BBC article casts quite strong insight to his mindset and strong possibility that he ‘can and would’. He is capable of adopting anti Christ status.This is Stanislav Petrov.

He prevented nuclear war, by realizing the USSR's missile early warning system malfunctioned when it incited that 5 missiles were headed for Russia on 26 September 1983 and refusing to fire a counter attack.

https://t.co/pskPdoZWu8

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[Gordy M]

Kremlin now saying they raised the alert due to Liz Truss' comments of a conflict between Russia and Nato.

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Guy Elster
@guyelster
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17m
Replying to
@guyelster
#BREAKING US sanctions #Russia central bank, which bans it from any dollars transactions

Jim Sciutto
@jimsciutto
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46m
Breaking: In aggressive move, US cuts off Russia's central bank and direct investment fund from US dollar transactions. The steps are meant to prevent Russia from accessing a "rainy day fund" Moscow had been expecting to rely upon during the invasion of Ukraine

[cabbageandribs1875]

Satellite pics: 3-mile long Russian convoy on roadway to Kyiv

Petro Poroshenko, former president of Ukraine

[WhileTheChief..]

Are we taking the Kremlin at their word on this point whilst rubbishing everything else they come out with?

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Idrees Ali
@idreesali114
·
27m
COPENHAGEN, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Shipping group Maersk is considering suspending all container bookings in and out of Russia in preparation for sanctions and restrictions imposed against the country

[degenerated]

Are we taking the Kremlin at their word on this point whilst rubbishing everything else they come out with?Taking their word on what?

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[Ryan91]

Taking their word on what?

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would assume it's with regards to the comments made by Liz Truss. I am hardly a fan of Truss, but she's hardly to blame for Russia raising the alert status on their Strategic Rocket Forces.

Notice the Kremlin was moaning about the EU being aggressive towards Russia earlier today with the supply of arms to Ukraine, gee, I wonder why that's happening?

[WhileTheChief..]

would assume it's with regards to the comments made by Liz Truss. I am hardly a fan of Truss, but she's hardly to blame for Russia raising the alert status on their Strategic Rocket Forces.

Notice the Kremlin was moaning about the EU being aggressive towards Russia earlier today with the supply of arms to Ukraine, gee, I wonder why that's happening?


Yup, thanks.

Ukraine have asked to be fast-tracked into the EU. I wonder if there is a mechanism for that.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

To think that liz Truss comments could cause nuclear war

[degenerated]

would assume it's with regards to the comments made by Liz Truss. I am hardly a fan of Truss, but she's hardly to blame for Russia raising the alert status on their Strategic Rocket Forces.

Notice the Kremlin was moaning about the EU being aggressive towards Russia earlier today with the supply of arms to Ukraine, gee, I wonder why that's happening?She is an idiot and not fit for the role in normal circumstances let alone in the current situation. Idiotic statements about supporting British citizens wishing to fight, illegally, in the Ukraine and self promotional photo ops on an aircraft carrier are an open goal for Putin to twist and spin.
The Russians will look to exploit weak links and she is exactly that, a moron promoted far too far above her capabilities.

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[hibsbollah]

would assume it's with regards to the comments made by Liz Truss. I am hardly a fan of Truss, but she's hardly to blame for Russia raising the alert status on their Strategic Rocket Forces.

Notice the Kremlin was moaning about the EU being aggressive towards Russia earlier today with the supply of arms to Ukraine, gee, I wonder why that's happening?

I think it’s much more likely that the Russians haven’t got enough on their minds at the moment with a war n stuff, and are instead briefing and scheming to take down a total incompetent masquerading as a British government minister instead :agree:

[degenerated]

Yup, thanks.

Ukraine have asked to be fast-tracked into the EU. I wonder if there is a mechanism for that.I don't think so as there is a queue everyone has to wait in. I know that because we were told that in the lead up to 2014.


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[Ozyhibby]

I don't think so as there is a queue everyone has to wait in. I know that because we were told that in the lead up to 2014.


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They will be fast tracked in once this is all over.


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[degenerated]

They will be fast tracked in once this is all over.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI was being facetious, though I'm sure you were aware. :greengrin

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[Ozyhibby]

She is an idiot and not fit for the role in normal circumstances let alone in the current situation. Idiotic statements about supporting British citizens wishing to fight, illegally, in the Ukraine and self promotional photo ops on an aircraft carrier are an open goal for Putin to twist and spin.
The Russians will look to exploit weak links and she is exactly that, a moron promoted far too far above her capabilities.

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Yip, ignore the Liz Truss stuff. She’s inconsequential. They have just had a look around to find the biggest idiot on the international scene and she fit the bill.


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[WhileTheChief..]

I don't think so as there is a queue everyone has to wait in. I know that because we were told that in the lead up to 2014.


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Yup, use this crisis to bring up Indy :aok:

[degenerated]

Yup, use this crisis to bring up Indy :aok:Sorry forgot your role as arbiter of what can and can't be posted.

I'll drop you a pm next time I want to post anything for your editorial approval.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Yup, thanks.

Ukraine have asked to be fast-tracked into the EU. I wonder if there is a mechanism for that.

No, but they can be made an official "candidate country" which signals that the existing EU27 are unanimous in wanting them as a member. After that it's up to them to meet the Copenhagen Criteria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria

When the EU thinks they've jumped all the hoops, they're in.

[grunt]

I don't think so as there is a queue everyone has to wait in. I know that because we were told that in the lead up to 2014.

:greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

Sorry forgot your role as arbiter of what can and can't be posted.

I'll drop you a pm next time I want to post anything for your editorial approval.

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No need, just stay on topic. Same as most other threads on here.

[LunasBoots]

The images & videos from Kharkiv on twitter are horrifying.

Yup, truly disgusting, I'd imagine hundreds of civilians caught up in that

[Kato]

Yip, ignore the Liz Truss stuff. She’s inconsequential. They have just had a look around to find the biggest idiot on the international scene and she fit the bill.


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[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA@nexta_tv·4m❗️
The State Department recommends that #US citizens leave #Russia immediately

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Idrees Ali
@idreesali114
41m
BRUSSELS, Feb 28 (Reuters) - European Union leaders may discuss the possibility of Ukrainian membership at an informal summit in March, a senior EU official said on Monday, adding the issue was important for Ukraine in discussions with Russia on ending the conflict

Ann Nguyen, Ph.D.
@ANFILOLI
“They belong to us, they are one of us, and we want them in': European Commission President says EU wants Ukraine to join! Von der Leyen did not specify if the process for Ukraine to join would be as quick as Ukrainian President Zelensky has asked” for

[grunt]

I don't think I've seen discussion on here about the work being done by the Anonymous group of hackers.
I'll admit I'm not sure how I feel about this - for sure it's good to see them attacking Russia and messing with their websites, but it does show what they could do if they turned against us.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/28/anonymous-hacks-russias-tass-news-service-with-latest-cyber-attack-16188295/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter


Anonymous takes down Russia’s state run news services in major cyber attack

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1497946816087789569?s=21

Amazing video of Russian tanks column routed just outside Kyiv.


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[Ozyhibby]

I don't think I've seen discussion on here about the work being done by the Anonymous group of hackers.
I'll admit I'm not sure how I feel about this - for sure it's good to see them attacking Russia and messing with their websites, but it does show what they could do if they turned against us.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/28/anonymous-hacks-russias-tass-news-service-with-latest-cyber-attack-16188295/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter

Depends how much of it is Anonymous and how much is western govt security service.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Depends how much of it is Anonymous and how much is western govt security service.


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It's pretty much just been public facing stuff (that they've claimed anyway) so far. You'd like to think the real spooks will be all over Russia's internals.

[lord bunberry]

I feel for the ordinary Russians who’s lives are going to be most affected by all these sanctions. Millions will be plunged into poverty and starvation because their so called leader has a major power trip. I hope they rise up against him and kick him out.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Whatever ends up happening in Ukraine, Putin has opened a geopolitical can of worms for Russia.

Germany has discovered an urgent need for defence spending and will be much more active in the military leadership of the EU ... which has pulled together remarkably well in the face of his aggression.

The Swedes, even the Swiss FFS, have got off the neutrality fence and Sweden and Finland are making serious noises about joining NATO.

The future for Russia looking most likely is as China's Europe facing supplicant.

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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11m
EU ENERGY MINISTERS LIKELY TO DECIDE ON MONDAY TO CONNECT UKRAINE AND MOLDOVA TO EU ELECTRICITY NETWORK TO MAKE THEM INDEPENDENT OF RUSSIA - SENIOR EU OFFICIAL - RTRS

[Since90+2]

Whatever ends up happening in Ukraine, Putin has opened a geopolitical can of worms for Russia.

Germany has discovered an urgent need for defence spending and will be much more active in the military leadership of the EU ... which has pulled together remarkably well in the face of his aggression.

The Swedes, even the Swiss FFS, have got off the neutrality fence and Sweden and Finland are making serious noises about joining NATO.

The future for Russia looking most likely is as China's Europe facing supplicant.

I don't think a wounded and cornered Russia is good for anyone though, not even us in the western world who are viewed as natural adversaries.

Especially a Russia that is effectively subservient to China, as China already holds too much power over the world as it is IMO.

[JeMeSouviens]

I don't think a wounded and cornered Russia is good for anyone though, not even us in the western world who are viewed as natural adversaries.

Especially a Russia that is effectively subservient to China, as China already holds too much power over the world as it is IMO.

Yeah, pretty much agree with that. I'm struggling to see a good way out of this. I mean obviously you'd hope for regime change and a new guy intent on repudiating Putin's *****. But it's hard to see how that happens, I think. It's all backfiring on Vlad the way it's panning out so far though.

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World Events Live - Jon@IdeologyWars·9m🇷🇺🇫🇷

Putin reiterated during a call with Macron that a settlement in Ukraine is possible with its demilitarization and denazification, neutral status, and recognition of Crimea

[Ozyhibby]

World Events Live - Jon@IdeologyWars·9m[emoji635][emoji632]

Putin reiterated during a call with Macron that a settlement in Ukraine is possible with its demilitarization and denazification, neutral status, and recognition of Crimea

Never going to happen. Ukraine is going to fight on.


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[WhileTheChief..]

Yeah, pretty much agree with that. I'm struggling to see a good way out of this. I mean obviously you'd hope for regime change and a new guy intent on repudiating Putin's *****. But it's hard to see how that happens, I think. It's all backfiring on Vlad the way it's panning out so far though.

I take the opposite view. I think the only ending here is a Putin free Russia.

Hopefully a Navalny type takes over freeing hundreds of millions of lives from that regime.

[Stairway 2 7]

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
“U.S. assesses is that Russia will try to encircle Kyiv in the coming days, a senior U.S. official says.”

We’re seeing that in the western suburbs of Kyiv right now, the Russians are pushing around the T1019 highway

[Stairway 2 7]

World Events Live - Jon@IdeologyWars·6m🇷🇺 UNGA:
Russia claims that the international community is distorting Russia's operations in Ukraine and that Ukraine is to blame for the current situation

World Events Live - Jon@IdeologyWars
🇬🇧 Britain imposed sanctions against VEB, Otkritie bank and Sovcombank

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Grant schapps a uk minister says
Today I've written to all UK ports asking them not to provide access to any Russian flagged, registered, owned, controlled, chartered or operated vessels.

Given Putin's action in #Ukraine I've made clear these vessels are NOT welcome here with prohibiting legislation to follow

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NEXTA@nexta_tv·1m
⚡️⚡️⚡️Zelensky signed an application for #Ukraine's membership in the #European Union

[Since90+2]

NEXTA@nexta_tv·1m
⚡️⚡️⚡️Zelensky signed an application for #Ukraine's membership in the #European Union

In reality though that's not going to happen for years though surely? I don't think it will make much difference to the current situation.

[Aldo]

Russian delegate to the UN is basically saying Ukraine and the west are making this up and that looters and criminals are turning weapons on Ukrainians to make it look like it’s Russia that is carrying this out.

Russians are not carrying out rocket attacks in any civilians and are their to keep the peace.

This is all fake news carried out issuing specialised software.


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[LunasBoots]

In reality though that's not going to happen for years though surely? I don't think it will make much difference to the current situation.

EU looking to fast track them in.

[Stairway 2 7]

In reality though that's not going to happen for years though surely? I don't think it will make much difference to the current situation.

Greek pm and German foreign minister said they would approve a fast track in the circumstances, but that it would still take months

[LunasBoots]

Russian delegate to the UN is basically saying Ukraine and the west are making this up and that looters and criminals are turning weapons on Ukrainians to make it look like it’s Russia that is carrying this out.

Russians are not carrying out rocket attacks in any civilians and are their to keep the peace.

This is all fake news carried out issuing specialised software.


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They forget satellites are seeing what's happening, 3 artillary systems where spotted headed towards Kharkiv yesterday from the Russian border then today Kharkiv civilians where slaughtered by artillery.

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NEXTA@nexta_tv·
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⚡️The #UK has frozen the assets of VTB, Sovcombank, Vnesheconombank, and also plans to impose sanctions against Sberbank and seize real estate and yachts of #Russian oligarchs

[JeMeSouviens]

I take the opposite view. I think the only ending here is a Putin free Russia.

Hopefully a Navalny type takes over freeing hundreds of millions of lives from that regime.

Well, obvs I hope you're right. But Putin is a paranoid ex-spy who has built himself at the top of a pyramid of loyal and ruthless henchmen. Removing him will not be easy, that's for sure.

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Mark M Bathgate
@m_bathgate
All electronic transactions in US Dollars and US Treasuries globally pass through the Federal Reserve - this means always fully subject to US law. This decision from the US Treasury prevents anyone dealing with the Russian central bank - effectively freezing their FX reserves

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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8m
According to Putin's new decree, exporters must sell 80% of foreign currency earnings, and #Russian residents are prohibited from lending foreign currency and depositing foreign currency in bank accounts outside Russia

[WhileTheChief..]

Well, obvs I hope you're right. But Putin is a paranoid ex-spy who has built himself at the top of a pyramid of loyal and ruthless henchmen. Removing him will not be easy, that's for sure.

I was watching something recently where it was claimed that Putin has basically been living in isolation for months. It was some former KGB types being interviewed about him.

The only people that see him are around 18 or so colleagues, all ex KGB and all a similar age to himself. Think of Sadaam's last few months, exactly the same. Hitler was similar.

I don't believe for a second that he has full control over the military. The soldiers barely know where they're going or why. They will know full well that the chat about Nazi's running amok in Ukraine is BS.

Putin thinks it's still the 80s but everyone can see the truth for themselves, the old Soviet ways just don't cut it.

My guess is that the USA are already in talks with some Russian top brass about succession planning.

[Ozyhibby]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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According to Putin's new decree, exporters must sell 80% of foreign currency earnings, and #Russian residents are prohibited from lending foreign currency and depositing foreign currency in bank accounts outside Russia

That will kill what’s left of their exports.


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[Since90+2]

I was watching something recently where it was claimed that Putin has basically been living in isolation for months. It was some former KGB types being interviewed about him.

The only people that see him are around 18 or so colleagues, all ex KGB and all a similar age to himself. Think of Sadaam's last few months, exactly the same. Hitler was similar.

I don't believe for a second that he has full control over the military. The soldiers barely know where they're going or why. They will know full well that the chat about Nazi's running amok in Ukraine is BS.

Putin thinks it's still the 80s but everyone can see the truth for themselves, the old Soviet ways just don't cut it.

My guess is that the USA are already in talks with some Russian top brass about succession planning.

I think that's wishful thinking tbh.

Putin ain't going nowhere, he's a very popular figure in Russia, so anyone who takes him out would effectively be signing their own death warrant.

We all want him gone, but if folk are pinning their hopes on him being dispatched from within I think they are going to be disappointed.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Latvian Government are to allow Latvians to go help the Ukranians fight, huge amount of support for Ukraine in Latvia

[greenginger]

She is an idiot and not fit for the role in normal circumstances let alone in the current situation. Idiotic statements about supporting British citizens wishing to fight, illegally, in the Ukraine and self promotional photo ops on an aircraft carrier are an open goal for Putin to twist and spin.
The Russians will look to exploit weak links and she is exactly that, a moron promoted far too far above her capabilities.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-appeals-for-foreign-volunteers-to-join-fight-against-russia

its the Ukrainians who are asking for foreign volunteers .

The Danish and Polish governments have already said they will support their volunteers .

But lets just blame Truss cos she’s a Tory.

[WeeRussell]

I think that's wishful thinking tbh.

Putin ain't going nowhere, he's a very popular figure in Russia, so anyone who takes him out would effectively be signing their own death warrant.

We all want him gone, but if folk are pinning their hopes on him being dispatched from within I think they are going to be disappointed.

I’m nae expert but I think if there’s ever someone lending themselves, through their actions and lies, to get done-in.. it’s Putin. He’s always held a fairly protected position but he’s not invincible and more and more it looks like he’s genuinely deranged in addition to being a nasty wee prick.

It might become a necessary assassination in the eyes of enough people closer to him (even himself?!) that it happens sooner than you think.

Again, I’m no expert and it’s probably hard for anyone to know what will happen but “he ain’t going nowhere” is quite an assumption with what’s unfolding I reckon.

[Since90+2]

I’m nae expert but I think if there’s ever someone lending themselves, through their actions and lies, to get done-in.. it’s Putin. He’s always held a fairly protected position but he’s not invincible and more and more it looks like he’s genuinely deranged in addition to being a nasty wee prick.

It might become a necessary assassination in the eyes of enough people closer to him (even himself?!) that it happens sooner than you think.

Again, I’m no expert and it’s probably hard for anyone to know what will happen but “he ain’t going nowhere” is quite an assumption with what’s unfolding I reckon.

I just think if people are hoping this ends with Putin being taken out, they are wrong. He won't be in charge of Russia in 10 years time, but he's going to be around long enough to cause a massive amount of destruction if he so chooses.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think sensible heads in the West will now be thinking about ways to allow Russia to withdraw from this with some semblance of security; financial, economic, strategic. The last thing you want when dealing with a nuclear power on their version of defcon5 is economic collapse and having nothing left to lose.I thought for a while that Germany might be able to take up the role as mediator, but there's no chance of that now since they've dumped their pacifist foreign policy.

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[Santa Cruz]

I thought for a while that Germany might be able to take up the role as mediator, but there's no chance of that now since they've dumped their pacifist foreign policy.

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I read somewhere Israel has taken on this role.

[grunt]

In reality though that's not going to happen for years though surely? I don't think it will make much difference to the current situation.
It's about changing the dynamic. Now Russia is invading a proto-EU member, not a former satellite of USSR.
It's all about the signalling and how it's perceived.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-appeals-for-foreign-volunteers-to-join-fight-against-russia

its the Ukrainians who are asking for foreign volunteers .

The Danish and Polish governments have already said they will support their volunteers .

But lets just blame Truss cos she’s a Tory.

Works for me. :dunno: She's also a vacuous moron, if that helps?

[Since90+2]

I read somewhere Israel has taken on this role.

It's not something I'd realised previously but it seems people of Jewish faith hold quite a lot of power within the Russian society.

Hopefully it can end with them getting a ceasefire.

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-appeals-for-foreign-volunteers-to-join-fight-against-russia
its the Ukrainians who are asking for foreign volunteers .
The Danish and Polish governments have already said they will support their volunteers .
But lets just blame Truss cos she’s a Tory.
It's against UK law for a UK citizen to fight in a war that the UK is not a participant in.
You'd have thought Truss, as foreign secretary, would have known that.
The UK Govt prosecuted people who went to Syria to fight ISIS.

[Gordy M]

I read somewhere Israel has taken on this role.

It could be Macron, the French leader, he apparently has held telephone talks directly with Putin.

[Sergio sledge]

https://tinyurl.com/2m4z5jc8

To me this could be the key to getting this to stop. If the Oligarch's start losing enough money to turn on Putin. They might only be in the position they are because of him, but they'll quickly turn on him if their fortunes start wasting away because of him, hopefully this is a sign of the economic sanctions starting to work.

[Since90+2]

It's about changing the dynamic. Now Russia is invading a proto-EU member, not a former satellite of USSR.
It's all about the signalling and how it's perceived.

I honestly don't think that makes a blind bit of difference to Russia. The EU are a trading bloc, they've already been hit with extremely harsh economic sanctions so I can't see the difference it would make.

If we are talking about NATO membership that's of course another story, but EU membership I just done see it.

[hibsbollah]

I thought for a while that Germany might be able to take up the role as mediator, but there's no chance of that now since they've dumped their pacifist foreign policy.

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Pacifism? I’m not sure that’s a thing anymore. And probably won’t be for a long time.

[cabbageandribs1875]

awww how sweet of the Chinese Government

China will lend money to Russia in “a model that is immune to sanctions. - Arab Press (https://arabpress.com/china-will-lend-money-to-russia-in-a-model-that-is-immune-to-sanctions)


i fully expect to hear a lot more from Jinping once the Beijing Paralympics are over

[grunt]

Here's the news we've all been waiting for:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMstaSvX0AAWqiX?format=png&name=900x900


CompareTheMarket have pulled the Meerkat ads due to Russian invasion and have confirmed publcly that Aleksandr Orlov is not connected "the current situation".

[hibsbollah]

awww how sweet of the Chinese Government

China will lend money to Russia in “a model that is immune to sanctions. - Arab Press (https://arabpress.com/china-will-lend-money-to-russia-in-a-model-that-is-immune-to-sanctions)

i fully expect to hear a lot more from Jinping once the Beijing Paralympics are over








No quotes, no sources, seems unlikely that China would do that at this point. I’ve never heard of Arab Press. I’d approach that report with caution until you read it elsewhere.

[grunt]

I honestly don't think that makes a blind bit of difference to Russia. The EU are a trading bloc, they've already been hit with extremely harsh economic sanctions so I can't see the difference it would make.

If we are talking about NATO membership that's of course another story, but EU membership I just done see it.I see what you're saying, but I don't think the messaging is aimed at Russia. It's about bringing Ukraine closer to EU allies.

[degenerated]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-appeals-for-foreign-volunteers-to-join-fight-against-russia

its the Ukrainians who are asking for foreign volunteers .

The Danish and Polish governments have already said they will support their volunteers .

But lets just blame Truss cos she’s a Tory.

Eh? She said on BBC one that she would absolutely support British who wished to go and take up arms in Ukraine. I didn't make that up because she's a Tory. Other Tories had to come out and point out to her the illegality of what she was suggesting she was prepared to absolutely support.

https://www.standard.co.uk/video/news/liz-truss-says-she-absolutely-supports-british-citizens-going-to-fight-in-ukraine-vedb127fb

Now, as I said before, the Kremlin will look to blame everyone else for its unacceptable behaviour it really doesn't help when a complete and utter moron like her is in the position she is in.



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[cabbageandribs1875]

No quotes, no sources, seems unlikely that China would do that at this point. I’ve never heard of Arab Press. I’d approach that report with caution until you read it elsewhere.

hopefully you are correct on that one:agree: China,India and UAE(that i've saw of anyway) all more than happy to keep trading with Russia, money in the coffers to alleviate sanctions


China throws Putin another sanction-busting lifeline: Xi Jinping lifts wheat import restrictions (dailymail.co.uk) (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10551901/amp/China-throws-Putin-sanction-busting-lifeline-Xi-Jinping-lifts-wheat-import-restrictions.html)



China will life wheat import restrictions for Russia in a sanction-busting lifeline
Experts believe China could help Russia weather the storm of financial sanctions
Could mean Beijing buying more Russian oil and gas and lending Moscow money
Experts also say China will have to 'walk a fine line' to avoid hurting its interests

[grunt]

I don't know if this is real or not, but it made me smile.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1498332884121399307?s=20&t=DC1NigcBYz-u_J9DKCFQug


Ukrainians are uploading videos on TikTok about how to drive abandoned or captured Russian military vehicles.

[hibsbollah]

hopefully you are correct on that one:agree: China,India and UAE(that i've saw of anyway) all more than happy to keep trading with Russia, money in the coffers to alleviate sanctions


China throws Putin another sanction-busting lifeline: Xi Jinping lifts wheat import restrictions (dailymail.co.uk) (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10551901/amp/China-throws-Putin-sanction-busting-lifeline-Xi-Jinping-lifts-wheat-import-restrictions.html)



China will life wheat import restrictions for Russia in a sanction-busting lifeline
Experts believe China could help Russia weather the storm of financial sanctions
Could mean Beijing buying more Russian oil and gas and lending Moscow money
Experts also say China will have to 'walk a fine line' to avoid hurting its interests


I think Xi is trying to tread a fine line between both sides. On the other hand…(people’s daily is the state newspaper in China, FWIW)

http://en.people.cn/n3/2022/0228/c90000-9963415.html

[lapsedhibee]

Works for me. :dunno: She's also a vacuous moron, if that helps?

:faf:

[LunasBoots]

Amazing how a supposed military super power is being shown up in Ukraine so far.

Keep fighting Ukraine!

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1498056686548013062?t=UHV_Uys7bkfchEHJawFmuw&s=19

Interesting a fairly long thread

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkAn investigation she's been doing for years .

Imagine mid-30's UK.

The German National Socialists have sponsored sitting UK MP's and there is a German with Nazi Links sitting in the House of Lords.

The UK stock market is riddled with cash stolen from the German people and huge swathes of the London property market have been bought up by Germans with Nazi links.

The main advertising platforms, papers, buses, undergrond are littered with Anti-Polish/League of Nations/French content and Oswald Moseley is on the radio and cinema news telling us we'd all be better off with these "Allies".

It wouldn't have been allowed but the scenario is mirrored in what actually happened leading up to Brexit.

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[The dalmeny]

But lets just blame Truss cos she’s a Tory.

Rather blame her for being an overpromoted idiot

[Kato]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-appeals-for-foreign-volunteers-to-join-fight-against-russia

its the Ukrainians who are asking for foreign volunteers .

The Danish and Polish governments have already said they will support their volunteers .

But lets just blame Truss cos she’s a Tory.I don't think anyone on here thinks it's actually her fault. The Russians are just trolling their paid for chums in Londongrad.

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[LunasBoots]

Russians have been trolling Truss for weeks in there media, its just not reported here for whatever reason

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1498351197660618768?s=20&t=DC1NigcBYz-u_J9DKCFQug


Official. FIFA and UEFA suspend Russian clubs and national teams from all competitions. 🚨

“Football is fully united here and in full solidarity with all the people affected in Ukraine”, statement says.

[Kato]

Russians have been trolling Truss for weeks in there media, its just not reported here for whatever reasonShe made a shop front of herself when she was over there. Easy target for trolling now.

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[degenerated]

An investigation she's been doing for years .

Imagine mid-30's UK.

The German National Socialists have sponsored sitting UK MP's and there is a German with Nazi Links sitting in the House of Lords.

The UK stock market is riddled with cash stolen from the German people and huge swathes of the London property market have been bought up by Germans with Nazi links.

The main advertising platforms, papers, buses, undergrond are littered with Anti-Polish/League of Nations/French content and Oswald Moseley is on the radio and cinema news telling us we'd all be better off with these "Allies".

It wouldn't have been allowed but the scenario is mirrored in what actually happened leading up to Brexit.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkThe whole conservative friends of Russia group, the links to leave EU campaign, russian donations to Tory party, Dominic Cummings time in Russia, the withholding of the Russia report etc all need properly and impartially looked into.

I may be sounding a bit McCarthyist here but the whole thing absolutely stinks.

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[hibsbollah]

The whole conservative friends of Russia group, the links to leave EU campaign, russian donations to Tory party, Dominic Cummings time in Russia, the withholding of the Russia report etc all need properly and impartially looked into.

I may be sounding a bit McCarthyist here but the whole thing absolutely stinks.

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Read this about Lebedev, in the House of Lords thanks to Johnson. His father is ex-KGB. Quite incredible.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/21/parties-politics-peerages-boris-johnson-evgeny-lebedev-friendship

...but it was Corbyn with the mock up Russian hat on Newsnight.

[Just Alf]

Amazing how a supposed military super power is being shown up in Ukraine so far.

Keep fighting Ukraine!I wondered if it was because the army 'on the ground' were still believing the line about them going in to liberate the Ukrainian people that were surprised/shocked when those self same people had a very different feeling about their arrival in the country.

[StevieC]

Here's the news we've all been waiting for:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMstaSvX0AAWqiX?format=png&name=900x900

I’d have preferred him to make a statement denouncing the war.

It’s nice to have something to smile about though. 😁

[degenerated]

Read this about Lebedev, in the House of Lords thanks to Johnson. His father is ex-KGB. Quite incredible.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/21/parties-politics-peerages-boris-johnson-evgeny-lebedev-friendship

...but it was Corbyn with the mock up Russian hat on Newsnight.That was ridiculous behaviour from the BBC.

This from a couple of years back was a real eye opener.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/11/09/russian-influence-in-britain-what-johnson-doesnt-want-you-to-know/

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[hibsbollah]

That was ridiculous behaviour from the BBC.

This from a couple of years back was a real eye opener.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/11/09/russian-influence-in-britain-what-johnson-doesnt-want-you-to-know/

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"But Nalobin’s most controversial role was helping to establish the Conservative Friends of Russia (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/aug/22/conservative-friends-russia-under-fire). This group was launched in the Russian Embassy’s gardens in August 2012 by Yakovenko and Nalobin, and attended by senior Conservatives such as the then chair of the DCMS Committee, and soon-to-be Culture Minister, John Whittingdale, who was the group’s honorary vice president. Whittingdale was accompanied by an office aide, Carrie Symonds, who was promoted to special advisor when he moved into the Cabinet in 2015. (Symonds now resides in Number 10 with Boris Johnson)".

That's bonkers. Id love it if Channel 4 picked that up. I suppose the story is 3 years old.

[Hibrandenburg]

Half a million anti-war protesters in Berlin yesterday.

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[lapsedhibee]

Half a million anti-war protesters in Berlin yesterday.


Are there mixed feelings floating around about Germany's apparent change of stance on intervening abroad?

[Kato]

...but it was Corbyn with the mock up Russian hat on Newsnight.

"Accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty of."

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[JimBHibees]

"Accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty of."

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My daughter used to have this saying when in primary school, 'you are what you say', in relation to bad mouthing others, pretty apt I think.

[Lendo]

No quotes, no sources, seems unlikely that China would do that at this point. I’ve never heard of Arab Press. I’d approach that report with caution until you read it elsewhere.

China has been developing its own version of Swift called CIPS for some time now. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s rolled out to Russia.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Read this about Lebedev, in the House of Lords thanks to Johnson. His father is ex-KGB. Quite incredible.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/21/parties-politics-peerages-boris-johnson-evgeny-lebedev-friendship

...but it was Corbyn with the mock up Russian hat on Newsnight.



The following day, a member of the public spotted Johnson at the airport. His suit was crumpled and he looked hungover.



some things never change

[cabbageandribs1875]

good man

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274870199_5086794624721355_3712624357719133017_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=wSVQO7sj4sMAX-WMiT9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-ZiTZ1gKmTGRTs4lP9dQNfj-r2nXL6BVza2aiLkfVF-w&oe=62224995

[Stairway 2 7]

Anders Östlund
@andersostlund
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10m
Air raid in Kyiv. Russia is really coming for us tonight

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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BREAKING:

We’ve used the authority given to us by the Montreux Convention to deescalate the situation.

— President Erdoğan

It means Turkey will close the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus to Russian vessels.

There are some exemptions, but very few

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1498343208094478354?s=21

Cash machines are going to be busy as Russians have to go back to using physical money again.

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[Bostonhibby]

The following day, a member of the public spotted Johnson at the airport. His suit was crumpled and he looked hungover.



some things never changehttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/boris-johnson-security-evgeny-lebedev-perugia-party

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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32m
• Recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea

• demilitarization and denazification of the Ukrainian state

• ensuring the neutral status of Ukraine

These were the conditions presented by Putin to French President Macron in 90 minute phone call

[Since90+2]

I think the most worrying think about this is nobody knows Putin's real state of mind.

We've all read stories, and unfortunately in some instances had personal experience, of people who have had complete mental collapses and commited utterly atrocious crimes. In some of these cases the people carrying out the attack would have had no care whatsoever, or even control, of the consequences of their actions.

If Putin is in that mindset, then the use of nuclear weapons isn't really all that far away from reality.

I don't think it's too hyperbolic to suggest the world is probably closer to the end of civilization as we know it that's it ever possibly been.

[Stairway 2 7]

Aurora Intel
@AuroraIntel
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Shell has announced it's exiting all its joint-ventures with Gazprom, including its 27.5% holdings in the Sakhalin-2 LNG facility

[hibsbollah]

I think the most worrying think about this is nobody knows Putin's real state of mind.

We've all read stories, and unfortunately in some instances had personal experience, of people who have had complete mental collapses and commited utterly atrocious crimes. In some of these cases the people carrying out the attack would have had no care whatsoever, or even control, of the consequences of their actions.

If Putin is in that mindset, then the use of nuclear weapons isn't really all that far away from reality.

I don't think it's too hyperbolic to suggest the world is probably closer to the end of civilization as we know it that's it ever possibly been.

I’m not sure that’s good thoughts for the old mental health.

[Hibrandenburg]

Are there mixed feelings floating around about Germany's apparent change of stance on intervening abroad?Only 1 person I know is still vehemently against supplying Ukraine with lethal weaponry and that's my mother in law. She was a founding member of the peace movement back in the 70's and is a die hard pacifist. Everyone else I've spoken to about it thinks it's the correct thing to do.

What I find particularly remarkable is that the current government is a coalition of Socialist, Green and Liberal parties.

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[Kato]

"Embarrassing and revealing: Russia's state media prematurely published an article announcing the Kremlin's victory over Ukraine and prematurely celebrating "the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe." "

https://t.co/ZprQYiHaDQ

https://t.co/INYWkzEVsb

This was seemingly prepared for release last week expecting a quick victory.

Revengeful ramblings along the lines Adolf's "blood and soil" weirdness.

Frightening though, this only ends quickly if someone takes him and his Eurasion cabal out.

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[degenerated]

I think the most worrying think about this is nobody knows Putin's real state of mind.

We've all read stories, and unfortunately in some instances had personal experience, of people who have had complete mental collapses and commited utterly atrocious crimes. In some of these cases the people carrying out the attack would have had no care whatsoever, or even control, of the consequences of their actions.

If Putin is in that mindset, then the use of nuclear weapons isn't really all that far away from reality.

I don't think it's too hyperbolic to suggest the world is probably closer to the end of civilization as we know it that's it ever possibly been.Conversely it probably isn't that far away from regime change in Russia and Belarus with China and North Korea looking on at a world that is pretty much unified in standing against this sort of action.


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[lapsedhibee]

Only 1 person I know is still vehemently against supplying Ukraine with lethal weaponry and that's my mother in law. She was a founding member of the peace movement back in the 70's and is a die hard pacifist. Everyone else I've spoken to about it thinks it's the correct thing to do.

What I find particularly remarkable is that the current government is a coalition of Socialist, Green and Liberal parties.

:aok: Imagine it's a leap for a good few people of her generation.

[Kato]

"Embarrassing and revealing: Russia's state media prematurely published an article announcing the Kremlin's victory over Ukraine and prematurely celebrating "the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe." "

https://t.co/ZprQYiHaDQ

https://t.co/INYWkzEVsb

This was seemingly prepared for release last week expecting a quick victory.

Revengeful ramblings along the lines Adolf's "blood and soil" weirdness.

Frightening though, this only ends quickly if someone takes him and his Eurasion cabal out.

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The new world order

2 days ago



Petr Akopov
A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia’s military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era – and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system – but this is worth talking about separately a little later.
Russia is restoring its unity – the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together – in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.
Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia – for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.
The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation – when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that “only Ukraine is the real Russia,” or to gnash one’s teeth helplessly, remembering the ti-mes when “we lost Ukra-ine.” Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade – recoding, de-Rus-sification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum. Now this problem is gone – Ukraine has returned to Russia.
This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. In what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era – it concerns Russia’s relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole.
These relations have entered a new stage – the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe. And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.
Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev ? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of Eur-opean integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forg-etting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unificati-on of Germany, which happened according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of ge-opolitical stupidity. The W-est as a whole, and even m-ore so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.
More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it did not work should have been clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin’s Munich speech, even the deaf could hear – Russia is returning.
Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importa-nce to us. But this has not been the case for a long ti-me – the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West.
No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. There will be losses from the sublimation of confrontation on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs – and the main ones are not at all economic.
Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy – the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe.
But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as well — in case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.
But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chance of independence – not to mention the fact that in the same way Europe is trying to impose a break with China. If now the Atlanticists are happy that the “Russian threat” will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term.
That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders – realizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe.
Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any case – but various options for its future are still possible.
Because the construction of a new world order – and this is the third dimension of current events – is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization.
A multipolar world has finally become a reality – the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia.
Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well – this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia’s return of its historical space and its place in the world.
China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia – no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over.
The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) – but not on its terms and not according to its rules.




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[Since90+2]

I’m not sure that’s good thoughts for the old mental health.

You're definitely correct, but at the same time I don't think it's a million miles away from being an accurate assessment of the current situation.

Let's hope the peace talks in Belarus can bring forward some form of ceasefire.

[cabbageandribs1875]

L'image la plus partagée en Ukraine .....the most shared image in Ukraine..



https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274813917_7840756999283347_5437667982619466399_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=9loS0UgT5ikAX9hns_w&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT9sQNWcQSW5gpyos-ADtTCIAzri2ojkAYOSCPzmDvccDA&oe=6221A9E7

[Sir David Gray]

L'image la plus partagée en Ukraine .....the most shared image in Ukraine..



https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274813917_7840756999283347_5437667982619466399_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=9loS0UgT5ikAX9hns_w&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT9sQNWcQSW5gpyos-ADtTCIAzri2ojkAYOSCPzmDvccDA&oe=6221A9E7

That's an old image from at least 2016 although undoubtedly still relevant.

[cabbageandribs1875]

That's an old image from at least 2016 although undoubtedly still relevant.

:aok::agree:


there's over 7k translations i'd need to go through


just noticed this on the BBC news site..Ukraine invasion: Misleading claims continue to go viral - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60554910)

Did Ukrainian kids see off troops?


An image showing two children seeing off a convoy of Ukrainian forces into battle has generated millions of engagements - likes and shares.


It was tweeted by US Congressman Adam Kinzinger and former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt, among others.

and..
Did Zelensky drink tea with Ukrainian forces?
A video claiming to show Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in military fatigues giving a morale boost to Ukrainian forces by drinking tea with them on the battlefield racked up nearly 3 million views over the weekend.


The video is genuine, but it was shot a week ago, before the invasion began. It was taken in Shyrokyne, when President Zelensky visited frontline soldiers (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60451034) to show support for his troops.

[Pretty Boy]

An interesting thread on Putin's struggle to win the social media propoganda war in Russia:

https://twitter.com/irgarner/status/1498334397904441344?t=mol2yEFOMkkhX-MHvS6SaQ&s=19

[Kato]

An interesting thread on Putin's struggle to win the social media propoganda war in Russia:

https://twitter.com/irgarner/status/1498334397904441344?t=mol2yEFOMkkhX-MHvS6SaQ&s=19Interesting analogy to WW1 and the aspect of unpreparadness with the population and apparently/hopefully his army.

Massive hubris.

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[WhileTheChief..]

If Putin is in that mindset, then the use of nuclear weapons isn't really all that far away from reality.

I don't think it's too hyperbolic to suggest the world is probably closer to the end of civilization as we know it that's it ever possibly been.

Completely disagree.

He wouldn’t physically be launching any missiles himself. Would anyone really follow his orders knowing it was the end of the world? No chance. There will be a coup before that happens.

If anything, once this mess is over, it’s more likely to mean a reduction in nuclear arms and a safer world.

[cabbageandribs1875]

if this article is accurate • Chart: Russian Ruble Plays Minor Role in Global Payments | Statista (https://www.statista.com/chart/26943/currency-composition-of-payments-processed-on-swift/?utm_source=Statista%20Newsletters&utm_campaign=6e5904fff9-All_InfographTicker_daily_COM_AM_KW03_2022_Tu_COPY&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_662f7ed75e-6e5904fff9-335680558&fbclid=IwAR0_SVKpRNFllEM7acKTePaOS_WRkK4V-7xNrSrVuBdVUsQGhNBbPxFh5Bk) why such the big deal about SWIFT :confused:

[WhileTheChief..]

Rallying call from Navalny’s group….


https://youtu.be/9tGB3v5ZntY

[Stairway 2 7]

if this article is accurate • Chart: Russian Ruble Plays Minor Role in Global Payments | Statista (https://www.statista.com/chart/26943/currency-composition-of-payments-processed-on-swift/?utm_source=Statista%20Newsletters&utm_campaign=6e5904fff9-All_InfographTicker_daily_COM_AM_KW03_2022_Tu_COPY&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_662f7ed75e-6e5904fff9-335680558&fbclid=IwAR0_SVKpRNFllEM7acKTePaOS_WRkK4V-7xNrSrVuBdVUsQGhNBbPxFh5Bk) why such the big deal about SWIFT :confused:

Because they can't transfer dollar and euro easily either, which most are. They have hundreds of billions in the European central bank. They have been buying more yuan, but only about 20% of there reserves rest mostly euro and dollar which is now frozen

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA@nexta_tv·8m⚡️
Minister of Digital Information of #Ukraine Mikhailo Fedorov said that Starlink equipment from Elon Musk has already arrived in the country

[WhileTheChief..]

An interesting thread on Putin's struggle to win the social media propoganda war in Russia:

https://twitter.com/irgarner/status/1498334397904441344?t=mol2yEFOMkkhX-MHvS6SaQ&s=19

That’s a fantastic thread that also leads to others.

Fair play to the Russian people, they have no appetite for this at all by the looks of it.

Putin has massively overplayed his hand. Prick.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Because they can't transfer dollar and euro easily either, which most are. They have hundreds of billions in the European central bank. They have been buying more yuan, but only about 20% of there reserves rest mostly euro and dollar which is now frozen

oh goody :greengrin ta for explanation

[Green Reaper]

NEXTA@nexta_tv·8m⚡️
Minister of Digital Information of #Ukraine Mikhailo Fedorov said that Starlink equipment from Elon Musk has already arrived in the country

What are the implications of this?

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA@nexta_tv·11m❗️
The IIHF (ice hockey) Council officially suspended the #Russian and #Belarusian national teams from international matches indefinitely

[Stairway 2 7]

What are the implications of this?

The Internet will stay on if bombed and encrypted messages for the military. Just a satellite system for them to use

[Stairway 2 7]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/putin-planning-indiscriminate-artillery-attacks-civillians-bid-shatter-ukraines-resistance-west-fears-1490490

Putin to launch ‘indiscriminate’ artillery attacks on civilians in bid to shatter Ukraine’s resistance, West fears
Western officials believe Vladimir Putin’s aims have been frustrated but he will still attempt to capture Kyiv in the coming days

[Green Reaper]

The Internet will stay on if bombed and encrypted messages for the military. Just a satellite system for them to use

Thanks for the reply

[Tambo]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/putin-planning-indiscriminate-artillery-attacks-civillians-bid-shatter-ukraines-resistance-west-fears-1490490

Putin to launch ‘indiscriminate’ artillery attacks on civilians in bid to shatter Ukraine’s resistance, West fears
Western officials believe Vladimir Putin’s aims have been frustrated but he will still attempt to capture Kyiv in the coming days

Been at work all day and just caught up with some videos and I'm no expert but those artillery strikes looked nothing compared to what he has? Don't kmow much about Russian politics but do all the members of the Kremlin have the same mindset as Putin?

As the obvious Putin needs taken out from the inside before it's to late.

[Callum_62]

https://maphub.net/Cen4infoRes/russian-ukraine-monitor

Interedting map here that geolocation has been used to try and verify the videos

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[stu in nottingham]

NEXTA@nexta_tv·11m❗️
The IIHF (ice hockey) Council officially suspended the #Russian and #Belarusian national teams from international matches indefinitely

And all club teams of all age groups too. It affects about six competitions just in this year alone. In addition, the hosting rights for the 2023 World Junior Championship which is a major New Year attraction have been taken from Russia.

A major effect might also be in the production line of good and great Russian hockey players who graduate to the NHL via the draft system and make their millions in North America.

[greenginger]

It's against UK law for a UK citizen to fight in a war that the UK is not a participant in.
You'd have thought Truss, as foreign secretary, would have known that.
The UK Govt prosecuted people who went to Syria to fight ISIS.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/liz-truss-says-she-would-back-britons-going-to-ukraine-to-fight-russia

What is being quoted is an 1870 law forbidding UK citizens enlisting in foreign armies to fight against counties we not at war with.

Joining an international brigade might be different.

I’ve never heard of any volunteers to International Brigade who fought Franco being prosecuted.

[Lendo]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/liz-truss-says-she-would-back-britons-going-to-ukraine-to-fight-russia

What is being quoted is an 1870 law forbidding UK citizens enlisting in foreign armies to fight against counties we not at war with.

Joining an international brigade might be different.

I’ve never heard of any volunteers to International Brigade who fought Franco being prosecuted.

I’m not sure the Kurds can be considered a foreign army given that they don’t have a country but yet some were prosecuted for travelling to fight for them.

[Callum_62]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLSGe91H/

A claimed text exchange between a now dead Russian soldier and his mum

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[Kato]

Fascinating information on the hybrid war.


https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/facebook-twitter-remove-disinformation-accounts-targeting-ukrainians-rcna17880


"I want you all to meet Vladimir Bondarenko.

He’s a blogger from Kiev who really hates the Ukrainian government.

He also doesn’t exist, according to Facebook.

He’s an invention of a Russian troll farm targeting Ukraine. His face was made by AI."

https://t.co/uWslj1Xnx3

https://i.ibb.co/8KSJn07/20220228-232806.jpg

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[greenginger]

I’m not sure the Kurds can be considered a foreign army given that they don’t have a country but yet some were prosecuted for travelling to fight for them.

One Brit was prosecuted because he seemed to get involved in more than fighting IS.

Many others who fought for the Kurds were not charged with any crime.

[greenginger]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50156963

forgot the link

[He's here!]

One Brit was prosecuted because he seemed to get involved in more than fighting IS.

Many others who fought for the Kurds were not charged with any crime.

Given that the West is providing Ukraine with so much weaponry and that their armed forces owe their training for just such an invasion as is currently taking place to the US and the UK military, I'm sure they'd welcome any freelance fighters from these shores to the cause.

[He's here!]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-appeals-for-foreign-volunteers-to-join-fight-against-russia

its the Ukrainians who are asking for foreign volunteers .

The Danish and Polish governments have already said they will support their volunteers .

But lets just blame Truss cos she’s a Tory.

Liz Truss is having a good war:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/liz-truss-is-having-a-good-war

[LunasBoots]

Russia dropping banned cluster bombs on Ukrainian city's.

40 mile long convoy of Russian military on the way to Kiev, lots of attack helicopters standing by in Belarus

[Hibrandenburg]

:aok: Imagine it's a leap for a good few people of her generation.To put it in perspective, it's probably akin to England deciding overnight to abolish the monarchy.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

men signing up in Georgia to go help the Ukranians

[cabbageandribs1875]

Russian conductor Valery Gergiev resigns Edinburgh Festival post - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-60565520)

Valery Gergiev, a close friend and supporter of President Putin, has been under pressure to speak out against Russia's invasion of Ukraine but has so far not condemned the move.

In a statement, the festival said his resignation was effective immediately.

It added that the decision had been made in support of the people of Kyiv.
"Edinburgh is twinned with the city of Kyiv and this action is being taken in sympathy with, and support of, its citizens."

In 2014, the conductor backed Mr Putin over the annexation of the Crimea from Ukraine.

[Off the bar]

Quite a long read but one of the best explainers of what’s happening and why in this interview with Fiona Hill in Politico.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340

[JeMeSouviens]

Quite a long read but one of the best explainers of what’s happening and why in this interview with Fiona Hill in Politico.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340

Thanks, that's an excellent, if somewhat terrifying, article.

[Stairway 2 7]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
1h
BREAKING: Danish company Maersk, the world's largest container shipping line, to suspend deliveries to and from Russia. The halt will not include food, medicine and humanitarian deliveries


Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
A citizen’s initiative is quickly gathering the signatures needed to start a parliamentary discussion on NATO.

More than 50% of the signatures needed were gathered in a single day.

NATO has stated that Finland could be accepted within 24 hours after parliamentary approval

[Ozyhibby]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
1h
BREAKING: Danish company Maersk, the world's largest container shipping line, to suspend deliveries to and from Russia. The halt will not include food, medicine and humanitarian deliveries


Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
A citizen’s initiative is quickly gathering the signatures needed to start a parliamentary discussion on NATO.

More than 50% of the signatures needed were gathered in a single day.

NATO has stated that Finland could be accepted within 24 hours after parliamentary approval

Allowing food, medicine and humanitarian deliveries opens it up to abuse. I would stop it all. Those things are not being allowed into Kyiv.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
·
1h
BREAKING: Danish company Maersk, the world's largest container shipping line, to suspend deliveries to and from Russia. The halt will not include food, medicine and humanitarian deliveries


Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
A citizen’s initiative is quickly gathering the signatures needed to start a parliamentary discussion on NATO.

More than 50% of the signatures needed were gathered in a single day.

NATO has stated that Finland could be accepted within 24 hours after parliamentary approval

That seems a huge move from Maersk.

You’d have to imagine Russia won’t be able to last long at all like this.

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
Head of the #French Ministry of Finances: #EU sanctions will cause the collapse of the #Russian economy

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
The International #Volleyball Federation announced that the 2022 World Championship has been moved from #Russia


Pro-independence protesters in Kupyansk spot a Russian military vehicle and try to tear out the driver from his seat
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1498606611333582849

[Ozyhibby]

Johnson just got a rollicking of a Ukrainian journalist.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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[Keyser Sauzee]

Johnson just got a rollicking of a Ukrainian journalist.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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Is there a link for this?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Johnson just got a rollicking of a Ukrainian journalist.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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Powerful stuff there from that lady 👏

[Ozyhibby]

Powerful stuff there from that lady [emoji122]

He’s totally ignoring her on Abramovich.[emoji35]


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[Greencore]

Johnson just got a rollicking of a Ukrainian journalist.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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Link?

[Ozyhibby]

Link?

It was just on Sky news. There will be links of it online shortly I would think.


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[CapitalGreen]

It was just on Sky news. There will be links of it online shortly I would think.


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https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1498618309654294530?s=21

[Jones28]

Dominic Raab getting roasted on LBC with air raid sirens in the background.

The best Raab can offer is that "Europe is closer to Ukraine."

Mark Austin on Sky news is the interviewer.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1498618309654294530?s=21

Is his response anywhere? He looked absolutely lost

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status/1498573065881595904?s=20&t=wxa8TSj4KYgZxN1caEGjOg

Where are your kids sleeping tonight?

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
6m
Bolt, an Estonian cab-hailing company has announced it will:

Donate 5% of all European Bolt orders the next 2 weeks to Ukraine.

Remove Russian products from Bolt Market.

Shut down operations in Belarus.

CEO
@villigm
says this "will cost millions. But freedom is worth more

[Stairway 2 7]

Johnson just got a rollicking of a Ukrainian journalist.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]


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Powerful and understandable but a no fly zone means British planes shooting down Russian and joining the war. If nato wanted to start that then fine but no European leader is going to be the first to do it. It took all the time for nations to send defensive weapons

[Kato]

Is his response anywhere? He looked absolutely lost'You’re coming to Poland, you're not coming to Kyiv... because you're afraid'

A Ukrainian reporter breaks down as she begs @BorisJohnson for a no-fly-zone over Ukraine - the PM rejects her plea as it would see the UK 'shooting down Russian planes' https://t.co/qsADEeLz3g https://t.co/yAWP5Ip69T

Totally ignores her points on the klepto/oligarchs.

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[Ozyhibby]

Powerful and understandable but a no fly zone means British planes shooting down Russian and joining the war. If nato wanted to start that then fine but no European leader is going to be the first to do it. It took all the time for nations to send defensive weapons

I agree for now although I think public opinion is shifting and we will see military intervention. I was more interested in the fact we are still giving a free pass to the oligarchs and their families.
Their assets need frozen and they need sent back to Russia.


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[Bostonhibby]

'You’re coming to Poland, you're not coming to Kyiv... because you're afraid'

A Ukrainian reporter breaks down as she begs @BorisJohnson for a no-fly-zone over Ukraine - the PM rejects her plea as it would see the UK 'shooting down Russian planes' https://t.co/qsADEeLz3g https://t.co/yAWP5Ip69T

Totally ignores her points on the klepto/oligarchs.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkRabbit caught in the headlights at what should have been a good photo opportunity.

Couldn't comment on his oligarchs specifically at any time as they are watching.

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[JeMeSouviens]

I agree for now although I think public opinion is shifting and we will see military intervention. I was more interested in the fact we are still giving a free pass to the oligarchs and their families.
Their assets need frozen and they need sent back to Russia.


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Whatever public opinion says, that would be utter madness and would (I think) almost certainly see nuclear weapons used in Europe. It might take a lot longer but crippling Russia economically is the only longer term way out of this.

[WhileTheChief..]

Powerful and understandable but a no fly zone means British planes shooting down Russian and joining the war. If nato wanted to start that then fine but no European leader is going to be the first to do it. It took all the time for nations to send defensive weapons

:top marks

Too easy for journalists or anyone on here to say we should have pilots in the sky shooting down Russians.

[Ozyhibby]

Whatever public opinion says, that would be utter madness and would (I think) almost certainly see nuclear weapons used in Europe. It might take a lot longer but crippling Russia economically is the only longer term way out of this.

I’m not disagreeing but I think that the sanctions so far only exist because public opinion forced it on the politicians and if we start to see a massacre in Kyiv this week public opinion will move again.
A war has started and we are in it.
The sanctions regime is still full of holes and that will encourage the public to think that they are not being taken seriously. When they see Abramovich still unsanctioned, they are going to feel the politicians are not listening to them. It’s time for politicians to get in step with public opinion now so as to stop it moving in a direction that may not be in our best interests.


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[ronaldo7]

I agree for now although I think public opinion is shifting and we will see military intervention. I was more interested in the fact we are still giving a free pass to the oligarchs and their families.
Their assets need frozen and they need sent back to Russia.


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I don't think we'll intervene militarily. I've just watched the European Parliament talk about supporting Ukraine and moving away from gas supplied by Russia. The sanctions being put in place need time to work, and I'm afraid the Russians know we'll not put a no fly zone over Ukraine.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’m not disagreeing but I think that the sanctions so far only exist because public opinion forced it on the politicians and if we start to see a massacre in Kyiv this week public opinion will move again.
A war has started and we are in it.
The sanctions regime is still full of holes and that will encourage the public to think that they are not being taken seriously. When they see Abramovich still unsanctioned, they are going to feel the politicians are not listening to them. It’s time for politicians to get in step with public opinion now so as to stop it moving in a direction that may not be in our best interests.


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What makes you think this? I think public opinion barely registers in such complex issues as this at all.

From what I've seen, there's been a tremendous, joined-up response from the Western allies. They all agreed that sanctions were the way forward, nothing to do with public opinion at all. It's escalating sanctions as the situation develops, not bowing to any kind of public pressure.

Where you say that politicians are out of step, is that actually the case with the general public, or just with people with a similar political view as your own?

Again, in general terms, I'm seeing an awful lot of agreement with what the UK and the West are doing.

[bigwheel]

I don't think we'll intervene militarily. I've just watched the European Parliament talk about supporting Ukraine and moving away from gas supplied by Russia. The sanctions being put in place need time to work, and I'm afraid the Russians know we'll not put a no fly zone over Ukraine.

I agree currently , but Guess it depends what happens once they have annexed Ukraine ..

are we now in world war three but haven’t recognised it yet ??

[Hibernian Verse]

I agree currently , but Guess it depends what happens once they have annexed Ukraine ..

are we now in world war three but haven’t recognised it yet ??

I'm starting to think this way. The longer this goes on, NATO cannot stand by and let him massacre women and children.

Chechnya with a 60m population.

[makaveli1875]

I agree currently , but Guess it depends what happens once they have annexed Ukraine ..

are we now in world war three but haven’t recognised it yet ??

I said as much the other day. Putin's enemy isn't Ukraine, its the EU, America and Britain. He said at the start of this he wasts to create a buffer zone around Russias border, that puts quite a few Nato countries in the firing line.
Ukraine is only the start, only mad vlad knows where the end is. Frightening

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Zelensky referring to the price Ukraine paid to try and get into the EU: "Thousands of people were killed, two revolutions and a war."

"For the desire to be equal, as you are"

"We are giving our best people

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[HibsGW]

I'm starting to think this way. The longer this goes on, NATO cannot stand by and let him massacre women and children.

Chechnya with a 60m population.

What do you mean by the second part of this?

[makaveli1875]

What do you mean by the second part of this?

Chechnya is small and Russia left it in Rubble. They're about to do the same to a country the size of France

[Hibernian Verse]

What do you mean by the second part of this?

Just that Putin is more than capable of escalating this into massacre territory - if you don't already believe it's there already I guess.

Chechnya on a much larger scale was my point.

[HibsGW]

Chechnya is small and Russia left it in Rubble. They're about to do the same to a country the size of France

Ahh okay understood. I can’t see where this goes now with Ukraine being accepted into the EU. Russia won’t be able to accept an outcome where they don’t capture Ukraine and Ukraine are then accepted into the EU, it’d leave them looking too weak and then who knows what Putin would do in desperation.

If the sanctions are as crippling as they seem and Russia don’t manage to capture Ukraine, there’s definitely going to need to be some form of compromise made, if Russia come out of this worse off than they began it’d probably then be a significant security crisis for them as they’ll not exactly look like anything to be feared if we get the outcome that we all want.

[Jones28]

Priti Patel in parliament telling us why we can't open the doors to Ukranian refugees without dropping our security measures.

I guess she better CC in the entire continent of Europe to the memo, just in case they've missed something.

[Ozyhibby]

Ahh okay understood. I can’t see where this goes now with Ukraine being accepted into the EU. Russia won’t be able to accept an outcome where they don’t capture Ukraine and Ukraine are then accepted into the EU, it’d leave them looking too weak and then who knows what Putin would do in desperation.

If the sanctions are as crippling as they seem and Russia don’t manage to capture Ukraine, there’s definitely going to need to be some form of compromise made, if Russia come out of this worse off than they began it’d probably then be a significant security crisis for them as they’ll not exactly look like anything to be feared if we get the outcome that we all want.

Hopefully we will see what Russia and Putin can accept diverge significantly soon.
I think Russians could easily accept Ukraine in the EU but might not be so keen on their impending poverty.
Putin might not care about his citizens poverty but wants to destroy Ukraine.
We have to hope that the Russian people make up their mind soon about what they really want.


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[Ozyhibby]

Priti Patel in parliament telling us why we can't open the doors to Ukranian refugees without dropping our security measures.

I guess she better CC in the entire continent of Europe to the memo, just in case they've missed something.

But Russian oligarch funding the Tory party is not a security problem?


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[bigwheel]

Im hoping the strategy is a slow patient driving of Russia into submission through economic collapse ..not a crowd pleasing strategy, and comes with many lives lost..but nowhere near a world catastrophe of a NATO/ Russian war ….

[HibsGW]

Im hoping the strategy is a slow patient driving of Russia into submission through economic collapse ..not a crowd pleasing strategy, and comes with many lives lost..but nowhere near a world catastrophe of a NATO/ Russian war ….

That seems the most logical but I can’t see how Russia accept that without doing something stupid, if it can be seen that we can essentially defeat them without even having to go to war then I’d imagine from their perspective they’ll feel very weak. I’d worry that they’ll get desperate and try whatever they can before they consider submitting.

[Northernhibee]

Im hoping the strategy is a slow patient driving of Russia into submission through economic collapse ..not a crowd pleasing strategy, and comes with many lives lost..but nowhere near a world catastrophe of a NATO/ Russian war ….

Unless there's a way of guaranteeing that they won't push the nuclear button then even enforcing a no fly zone could result in tens of millions of casualties.

It's absolutely crushing to think about how there are pretty much no good options on the table other than sanction the hell out of them and hope someone takes him down from within.

[Ozyhibby]

Im hoping the strategy is a slow patient driving of Russia into submission through economic collapse ..not a crowd pleasing strategy, and comes with many lives lost..but nowhere near a world catastrophe of a NATO/ Russian war ….

I hope so but I also hope it won’t be that slow.

From Putin’s side, what does success look like from where we are now?


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[WhileTheChief..]

Staying alive and in power!

Hes not getting anything else out of this. He totally miscalculated things.

[Lendo]

Hopefully we will see what Russia and Putin can accept diverge significantly soon.
I think Russians could easily accept Ukraine in the EU but might not be so keen on their impending poverty.
Putin might not care about his citizens poverty but wants to destroy Ukraine.
We have to hope that the Russian people make up their mind soon about what they really want.


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Russian’s are living quite happily with Finland being a Schengen Area member of the EU. The average Russian on the street will not care one jot about Ukraine being in the EU.

[WhileTheChief..]

Nothing to stop Russia going down a similar route to EU membership in future.

Hopefully this opens their population”s eyes to the decades of lies they’ve been fed.

They can potentially see a new dawn, free from communism and oppression.

[Mike Berry]

Nothing to stop Russia going down a similar route to EU membership in future.

Hopefully this opens their population”s eyes to the decades of lies they’ve been fed.

They can potentially see a new dawn, free from communism and oppression.Russia isn't communist. Hasn't been sincere the fall of the USSR.

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[WhileTheChief..]

Russia isn't communist. Hasn't been sincere the fall of the USSR.

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If you’re an adult in Russia you’ve lived through communism and oppression.

[Bostonhibby]

But Russian oligarch funding the Tory party is not a security problem?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMaybe all those poor Ukrainians have just been slow with their donations.

Is it still £160,000 for a game of Tennis?

Britain's shame.

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[Pretty Boy]

Russia isn't communist. Hasn't been since Stalin's interpretation of Leninism in the 1920s usurped Marxist inspired Bolshevism as the driving political ideology in the USSR and it's satellite states .

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FTFY. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/martijnrasser/status/1498667312903196673?s=21


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[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/martijnrasser/status/1498667312903196673?s=21


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Not sure if this is true. It's certainly opening things up for the Russians to retaliate if it is true.

[Mike Berry]

If you’re an adult in Russia you’ve lived through communism and oppression.It's an oppressive mafia-stye state, but it isn't communist.

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[Bostonhibby]

It's an oppressive mafia-stye state, but it isn't communist.

Sent from my LYA-L09 using TapatalkTo be fair, they are redistributing the wealth, it's just that it's around a gang of politicians, oligarchs and their families and acolytes rather than for the benefit of the masses.

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[Ryan91]

https://twitter.com/martijnrasser/status/1498667312903196673?s=21


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Not sure if this is true. It's certainly opening things up for the Russians to retaliate if it is true.

tweet deleted, thread from remnants seems to suggest whatever it was has been thoroughly debunked.

[andrew70]

The nursery my daughter attends is pushing this drive for all sorts of gear for Ukrainians.

The Edinburgh based Ukrainian Community Centre is to set up a hub for donations of humanitarian aid – Please help us to gather as many items and donations as much as we can.
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As I am sure you will agree, what is happening in Ukraine is unimaginable and we are looking to support the children and families as much as we can.* The Ukrainian Community Centre based at 14 Royal Terrace is gathering a wide range of items (listed below) to send over to Ukraine and support those in need at this dark time.* They have also created a GoFundMe page (link below) to fundraise for financial donations.
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You can either donate directly to the Ukrainian Community Centre or drop in all donations directly to the Nursery, and I will deliver them all to the Community Centre on behalf of the nursery and families.
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Items to donate –
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****•****Warm blankets
****•****Sleeping bags
****•****Pillows
****•****Toys
****•****Clothes (Children and Adults)
****•****Waterproof / warm jackets
****•****Underwear (Children and Adults)
****•****Unopened / new toiletries (Children and Adults)
****•****Sanitary pads
****•****Pain relief - paracetamol / ibuprofen (Children and Adults)
****•****None perishable food such as instant coffee, tea, hot chocolate, chocolate bars, energy bars, pot noodles etc.
****•****Formula milk and baby food
****•****Nappies / wipes
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(Please box up items and write on top of the box what is inside to assist in the sorting process)
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The community centre at 14 Royal Terrace will be open on Wednesday (March 2nd) between 6pm and 8pm, and Friday afternoons between 2pm and 6pm and on Monday mornings between 10am and 1pm.
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Alternatively drop off all items to the Nursery and we will deliver!
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Thank you in advance for your support and your generosity – your donations will make a huge difference to the children and families facing such challenging times.

Hope it’s okay to post here. Will be donating myself.

The nursery is Blossom Tree, Gilmerton.

[Mike Berry]

To be fair, they are redistributing the wealth, it's just that it's around a gang of politicians, oligarchs and their families and acolytes rather than for the benefit of the masses.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkIt's a totalitarian capitalist state. When the USSR collapsed, many of the senior officials in government institutions at the time, including Putin and the likes of Abramovich - seized state assets, like oil and gas, for themselves. Since then, Russia has effectively been run by something very similar to the mafia. It's many things, but communist? Definitely not.

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[ronaldo7]

I agree currently , but Guess it depends what happens once they have annexed Ukraine ..

are we now in world war three but haven’t recognised it yet ??

He's trying to create another Iron curtain imo. I think we might see some Belarusian troop movement down the border with Poland into Ukraine. Moldova who's constitution is to remain neutral will create a buffer to the south.

[Bostonhibby]

It's a totalitarian capitalist state. When the USSR collapsed, many of the senior officials in government institutions at the time, including Putin and the likes of Abramovich - seized state assets, like oil and gas, for themselves. Since then, Russia has effectively been run by something very similar to the mafia. It's many things, but communist? Definitely not.

Sent from my LYA-L09 using TapatalkAgreed, not even close to communist, maybe never were, even when their historical leaders thought they were? I think (hope) this is as low as they can sink. They are effectively a gang, made up of villains and thugs.

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[Aldo]

Nothing to stop Russia going down a similar route to EU membership in future.

Hopefully this opens their population”s eyes to the decades of lies they’ve been fed.

They can potentially see a new dawn, free from communism and oppression.

I think they see and know this. The protests in Moscow which led to 1500+ arrests along with the arrests of reporters and now the parents of young Russian soldiers killed needlessly in an effort to prevent them from calling out/criticising Putin and his team of thugs!

Putin is guilty of war crimes and needs to be brought to justice! How this is carried out is a different issue!


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[Ozyhibby]

He's trying to create another Iron curtain imo. I think we might see some Belarusian troop movement down the border with Poland into Ukraine. Moldova who's constitution is to remain neutral will create a buffer to the south.

Maybe it’s time we acted against belarus?


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[Killiehibbie]

Agreed, not even close to communist, maybe never were, even when their historical leaders thought they were? I think (hope) this is as low as they can sink. They are effectively a gang, made up of villains and thugs.

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Thugs and villains have been in charge in Russia since Stalin took charge. It certainly wasn't Communism. Who knows how it might've turned out if Trotsky had got the job.

[ACLeith]

But Russian oligarch funding the Tory party is not a security problem?


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Surely any political party and individuals within it, having received Russian money, will be donating it to assist the refugee crisis?

Surely that's what decent, honourable people would do?

[Alex Trager]

To be fair, they are redistributing the wealth, it's just that it's around a gang of politicians, oligarchs and their families and acolytes rather than for the benefit of the masses.

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The same as everywhere then?

[WhileTheChief..]

It's an oppressive mafia-stye state, but it isn't communist.

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What are you going on about, I didn't say it was a communist state.

I said it would be amazing if people from Russia could live a life free from Communism and oppression.

Anybody born before the 90s has only ever known both.

[ronaldo7]

Maybe it’s time we acted against belarus?


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I'm not sure what we've collectively done up until now, but Lukashenko deserves all he gets imo.

[Kato]

Thugs and villains have been in charge in Russia since Stalin took charge. It certainly wasn't Communism. Who knows how it might've turned out if Trotsky had got the job.Thugs and villains have ALWAYS been in charge of Russia.

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[Bostonhibby]

Surely any political party and individuals within it, having received Russian money, will be donating it to assist the refugee crisis?

Surely that's what decent, honourable people would do?Decent and honourable you say? It's a big ask but there's certainly plenty Russian money swilling about.
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[Bostonhibby]

The same as everywhere then?You won't get much of an argument from me there generally.

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