Ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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BREAKING:

Poland has decided to hand over all 28 of its MiG-29 jet fighter jets to Ukraine via the United States.

The planes will now be flown to the U.S. Rammstein Air Base in Germany.

Poland will receive 28 F-16 in return from USA

[Sir David Gray]

The Scottish FA notes the decision of the FIFA Organising Committee to postpone the FIFA World Cup Play-Off semi-final against Ukraine, originally scheduled to take place on 24 March, until June.

Given the current situation in Ukraine we support the decision to uphold the request to postpone the match and reiterate our message of solidarity to our friends and colleagues within the Ukrainian Association of Football.

We now await confirmation from UEFA on the amended fixture schedule, including any displaced UEFA Nations League fixtures, and will comment further at that time.

In the meantime, we are in discussions to organise a replacement fixture on 24 March and will update supporters – especially those who have purchased tickets for the play-off semi-final and Nations League package – as soon as we have more information.

Tickets purchased for the original March 24 fixture date against Ukraine at Hampden Park will remain valid for the rescheduled June date, which has yet to be confirmed by UEFA.

We can also confirm that, with the play-off semi-final between Wales v Austria going ahead in March, a friendly match away from home to the losing side will take place on 29 March.

Ian Maxwell, Scottish FA Chief Executive: “In light of the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, it is the correct decision by FIFA to postpone our play-off, as requested by the Ukrainian Association of Football.

“The importance and significance of football is greatly diminished in a time of war and our thoughts are with those Ukrainian civilians affected by the conflict.”

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/statement-scotland-v-ukraine-postponement/?rid=13925&s=09

[WhileTheChief..]

Just found out that the majority of the whitefish eaten in the UK is Russian caught. That includes popular supermarket brands like Birdseye and Youngs as well as more than half of all fish eaten in chippies. Huge disruption to supply chains and for businesses if it is no longer acceptable to eat Russian caught fish. A minor thing, but interesting none the less.

It's the little things that matter.

If we can no longer get haddock and chips under £10 for example, imagine the pain Russians will be going through in comparison. Their younger generation won't be used to the old soviet ways.

As for McDonalds, I kinda assumed all western businesses would stop trading in Russia, isn't that the point of sanctions?!

If they don't voluntarily stop, I'd like to see huge pressure put on them.

[nairn hibee]

Just found out that the majority of the whitefish eaten in the UK is Russian caught. That includes popular supermarket brands like Birdseye and Youngs as well as more than half of all fish eaten in chippies. Huge disruption to supply chains and for businesses if it is no longer acceptable to eat Russian caught fish. A minor thing, but interesting none the less.
Order from fish box from Peterhead ,all caught in scotland

[Greencore]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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BREAKING:

Poland has decided to hand over all 28 of its MiG-29 jet fighter jets to Ukraine via the United States.

The planes will now be flown to the U.S. Rammstein Air Base in Germany.

Poland will receive 28 F-16 in return from USA


Been to rammstein airbase before. Can get very serious there at times

[Stairway 2 7]

BNO News
@BNONews
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BREAKING: Starbucks suspends all operations in Russia

Going to be like North Korea at this rate

[Aldo]

BNO News
@BNONews
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BREAKING: Starbucks suspends all operations in Russia

Going to be like North Korea at this rate

Coca Cola follows suit!


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[Ozyhibby]

The companies only pulling out now are probably realising that even though they might want to, logistically it’s impossible for them now. Whatever the reason, it’s a good thing.


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[Stairway 2 7]

In luhansk public take down separatist flag and put up Ukraine flag whilst singing Ukrainian anthem. This is a place with almost 100% are Russian speakers

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1501305107660648451

[Pretty Boy]

It's the little things that matter.

If we can no longer get haddock and chips under £10 for example, imagine the pain Russians will be going through in comparison. Their younger generation won't be used to the old soviet ways.

As for McDonalds, I kinda assumed all western businesses would stop trading in Russia, isn't that the point of sanctions?!

If they don't voluntarily stop, I'd like to see huge pressure put on them.

Are the McDonalds in Russia centrally owned?

The vast majority in the UK are franchises.

[hibsbollah]

The companies only pulling out now are probably realising that even though they might want to, logistically it’s impossible for them now. Whatever the reason, it’s a good thing.


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Baynes pies must surely be next :dunno:

[Stairway 2 7]

Are the McDonalds in Russia centrally owned?

The vast majority in the UK are franchises.

Was just on the news massive queues at them in Moscow as they close tomorrow. 850 in Russia have to close but Mcdonalds will pay the 60,000 staff. Not sure of ownership but I guess central still has some control

[Ozyhibby]

Was just on the news massive queues at them in Moscow as they close tomorrow. 850 in Russia have to close but Mcdonalds will pay the 60,000 staff. Not sure of ownership but I guess central still has some control

They are mostly owned directly by McDonalds in Russia. Even if they weren’t, McDonalds franchise agreements give them total control over the brand and if they want to close a restaurant they will.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
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#Breaking: US President Joe Biden just announced a ban on imports of Russian oil, gas and energy as part of the US response to #Russia's invasion of #Ukraine

With immediate effect.

[Moulin Yarns]

Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
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1m

#Breaking the UK also announces that it will "eliminate Russian oil imports" to put even more pressure on #Russia, in coordination with London's allies, including the US

By the end of the year!!!

[Moulin Yarns]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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BREAKING:

Poland has decided to hand over all 28 of its MiG-29 jet fighter jets to Ukraine via the United States.

The planes will now be flown to the U.S. Rammstein Air Base in Germany.

Poland will receive 28 F-16 in return from USA

Poland is in NATO. would the Russians be OK for a NATO country to donate fighter jets to an enemy???

[Ozyhibby]

Poland is in NATO. would the Russians be OK for a NATO country to donate fighter jets to an enemy???

NATO is arming Ukraine to the teeth already.


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Anders Åslund
@anders_aslund
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Russia has suspended the sale of foreign currencies until September 9, the central bank said Wednesday.
Between March 9 and September 9 "the banks will not be able to sell foreign currencies to citizens." (AFP)
All ruble convertibility is over. Putin has destroyed the ruble

[Stairway 2 7]

By the end of the year!!!

US hopes by the end of March. If everyone stopped Russian gas by the end of the year Russia are knackered. No rebuilding there military and hopefully can restart if Putin goes. EU suggesting it hopes to cut Russian gas by two thirds by 12 months time. Everyone has called vlads bluff

[Ozyhibby]

US hopes by the end of March. If everyone stopped Russian gas by the end of the year Russia are knackered. No rebuilding there military and hopefully can restart if Putin goes. EU suggesting it hopes to cut Russian gas by two thirds by 12 months time. Everyone has called vlads bluff

Yip, these are great commitments. Even I’m not criticising UK govt in this. Just the announcement of this will be enough to kill the Russian oil and gas industry. Investment will stop immediately now. They’ll be lucky to be able to fulfil orders by the end of the year anyway.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1501330538354774020?s=21


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[DH1875]

Seems like Poland aren't given them the planes after all.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/russians-in-thailand-flight-sanctions/index.html

Russian nationals 'stranded' in Thailand amid flight sanctions

Thousands of tourists from Russia are currently stranded in Thailand, officials said on Tuesday, March 8, as unprecedented western sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine put a squeeze on Russians struggling to find flights and finances.
Flight cancellations, a ruble currency in freefall and payment problems from Russian banks being cut off from the global SWIFT system has left more than 7,000 Russians in limbo in popular resort locations like ****et, Koh Samui, Pattaya and Krabi, Thailand's tourism authority chief said

[Stairway 2 7]

Seems like Poland aren't given them the planes after all.

There's arguments over who hands them over to Ukraine. Poland wanted the US too as Russia in the state they are aren't doing anything to the US. The US wants Poland to. Surely they can just leave them at the border with the keys in the ignition..

[Stairway 2 7]

Reuters
@Reuters

Venezuela released at least two jailed U.S. citizens in an apparent goodwill gesture toward the Biden administration following a visit to Caracas by a high-level U.S. delegation https://reut.rs/3Ctt6zS 1/

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[Killiehibbie]

There's arguments over who hands them over to Ukraine. Poland wanted the US too as Russia in the state they are aren't doing anything to the US. The US wants Poland to. Surely they can just leave them at the border with the keys in the ignition..

Why all the big announcement about giving them the planes Ukrainian pilots arrive at air base and fly off in them. Poland don't have to tell anybody about it.

[Killiehibbie]

Reuters
@Reuters

Venezuela released at least two jailed U.S. citizens in an apparent goodwill gesture toward the Biden administration following a visit to Caracas by a high-level U.S. delegation https://reut.rs/3Ctt6zS 1/

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Sanctions lifted to get access to world's biggest oil field

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Venezuela have been ****ed over for years over their oil and held to ransom which led to their freefall.

[Bristolhibby]

There's arguments over who hands them over to Ukraine. Poland wanted the US too as Russia in the state they are aren't doing anything to the US. The US wants Poland to. Surely they can just leave them at the border with the keys in the ignition..

That was my thinking. I can see why Poland want the US to do the dirty work. Equally, I’m not sure what difference it makes as both are in NATO.

Just invite a load of Ukrainian pilots over to Poland and let them wander off with fuelled and armed mig-29s that happen to have Ukrainian roundels painted on them.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

The middle class in Russia have just had their savings decimated

AFP News Agency
@AFP

#BREAKING Russia suspends sale of foreign currencies until September 9, central bank says

[Kato]

The middle class in Russia have just had their savings decimated

AFP News Agency
@AFP

#BREAKING Russia suspends sale of foreign currencies until September 9, central bank saysIt's always the middle classes who foment and organise a revolution. If sanctions hit them hard, and it may take time, the "elites" in Russia are in for a hard time.

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[Ozyhibby]

PMQ’s today. Wonder if Starmer gives Johnson a free pass on the fact that his oligarch chums are still not sanctioned and goes on the refugee shambles?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
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BREAKING: Ukrainian government reports that the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant has lost power due to damage to an high voltage power line to Kyiv. They state this could potentially impact the cooling of spent fuel assemblies and lead to nuclear discharge

[Stairway 2 7]

Guy Elster
@guyelster
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#BREAKING Kremlin says that US has declared economic war on #Russia

[Stairway 2 7]

Irish cut gas duty. UK and EU due to extend net zero targets due to crisis and allow more carbon power. UK considering opening more oil fields. Its felt the public will be more onside due to stopping Russia and huge fuel prices

RTÉ News
@rtenews

The Cabinet has agreed a cut in excise duty on petrol and diesel. The reduction will be 20 cent per litre on petrol and 15 cent per litre of diesel | Read more: https://rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0309/1285254-excise-fuel/ https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts

[Hibernian Verse]

Guy Elster
@guyelster
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#BREAKING Kremlin says that US has declared economic war on #Russia

It's typical of a bully who starts on someone deemed as weak (they clearly aren't) then starts crying when the bullied boy and his big mates come after them.

[JimBHibees]

Irish cut gas duty. UK and EU due to extend net zero targets due to crisis and allow more carbon power. UK considering opening more oil fields. Its felt the public will be more onside due to stopping Russia and huge fuel prices

RTÉ News
@rtenews

The Cabinet has agreed a cut in excise duty on petrol and diesel. The reduction will be 20 cent per litre on petrol and 15 cent per litre of diesel | Read more: https://rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0309/1285254-excise-fuel/ https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts

Nice to have a government that gave a toss about its citizens and the impact of these enormous increases.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Nice to have a government that gave a toss about its citizens and the impact of these enormous increases.

I passed the shell in broxburn last night and it was £1.83 a litre. Mental

[Stairway 2 7]

Nice to have a government that gave a toss about its citizens and the impact of these enormous increases.

Environmentalists won't be happy with it though, although prices are ridiculous

[lapsedhibee]

PMQ’s today. Wonder if Starmer gives Johnson a free pass on the fact that his oligarch chums are still not sanctioned and goes on the refugee shambles?


As usual, Johnson shrugged off all questions by explaining that the UK is best at everything it does.

[ronaldo7]

As usual, Johnson shrugged off all questions by explaining that the UK is best at everything it does.

Yup. The best at keeping people out.

[stokesmessiah]

ournal
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The United Kingdom has claimed that Russia is likely to be ramping up claims Ukraine is developing nuclear or biological weapons as "retrospective justification" for its invasion

And right on cue, Russia has today been saying that the world needs to know the truth about Ukrainian biological weapons.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yup. The best at keeping people out.

He explained that we need to keep checks on who is coming into the country. A sensible approach in the current climate.

[WhileTheChief..]

By the end of the year!!!

A good thing no?

[lapsedhibee]

He explained that we need to keep checks on who is coming into the country. A sensible approach in the current climate.

Presumably, then, Poland is not being sensible. How would you describe its behaviour? Stupid? Reckless? :dunno:

[ronaldo7]

He explained that we need to keep checks on who is coming into the country. A sensible approach in the current climate.

The system isn't fit for purpose. They're sending women and young children all over Europe to try and get visas, and in some cases, asking them to wait until the end of this month before they'll even get an appointment to see someone.

Let's hope you never have to face the horrors that these human beings are currently facing.

[Stairway 2 7]

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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Over 3600 UK NLAWs to Ukraine, additionally Javelins are also on the way

Harry Cole
@MrHarryCole
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15m
Replying to
@MrHarryCole
NEW: govt exploring sending star streak anti aircraft missiles to Ukraine - Wallace tells commons

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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Germany is resisting EU attempts to sanction Russian oil imports and access to ports

[Ryan91]

And right on cue, Russia has today been saying that the world needs to know the truth about Ukrainian biological weapons.

Suspect that the vast majority won't be buying it, if it had been about Nukes and Bioweapons I'm pretty sure that it would have been mentioned at the start, not two weeks later. Or are Russia trying to claim that they initiated the "special military operation" and just so happened to find evidence of WMD production in areas of Ukraine that just so happen to be very close to pro-Russian areas.

[Moulin Yarns]

A good thing no?

If the USA can expedite it in weeks why is it taking months in 'great' Britain??

[LeithMike]

#BREAKING Kremlin says that US has declared economic war on #Russia

Surely a special economic operation?

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[Stairway 2 7]

If the USA can expedite it in weeks why is it taking months in 'great' Britain??

Because the US gets hardly any oil from Russia. Hence its taking us 9 months and the EU will reduce it by two thirds in 12 months.

All of the above are great and will effect Putin in the long term

[degenerated]

Because the US gets hardly any oil from Russia. Hence its taking us 9 months and the EU will reduce it by two thirds in 12 months.

All of the above are great and will effect Putin in the long termThe US gets about 8% of its oil from Russia, as does the UK.

[Moulin Yarns]

Because the US gets hardly any oil from Russia. Hence its taking us 9 months and the EU will reduce it by two thirds in 12 months.

All of the above are great and will effect Putin in the long term

700,000 barrels of oil a day is imported from Russia to the USA!!!! How much does 'great' Britain import??


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/03/08/fact-sheet-united-states-bans-imports-of-russian-oil-liquefied-natural-gas-and-coal/


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-phase-out-russian-oil-imports

[stokesmessiah]

Because the US gets hardly any oil from Russia. Hence its taking us 9 months and the EU will reduce it by two thirds in 12 months.

All of the above are great and will effect Putin in the long term

Neither does the U.K.

[degenerated]

700,000 barrels of oil a day is imported from Russia to the USA!!!! How much does 'great' Britain import??


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/03/08/fact-sheet-united-states-bans-imports-of-russian-oil-liquefied-natural-gas-and-coal/


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-phase-out-russian-oil-importsIt's difficult to find exact figures on barrel numbers but 8% is the percentage, would probably be in the region of 120,000 plus per day.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's difficult to find exact figures on barrel numbers but 8% is the percentage, would probably be in the region of 120,000 plus per day.

Certainly less than the USA, so the question remains, why is it taking our government 9 months when the USA can do it in weeks?!

[degenerated]

Certainly less than the USA, so the question remains, why is it taking our government 9 months when the USA can do it in weeks?!As a % of total consumption it's exactly the same, so no real excuse for not doing it immediately.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's a small amount for both 8% of oil and 4% of gas. Difference is US has massive oil reserves it released 35 million barrels yesterday and will release 90 million this year, we don't so not comparable

It also doesn't have any controversy that we have when opening new reserves. It hopes to open more drilling sites to make up the difference.

Camo shows how controversial new sites is in the uk and fracking is political poison too.

We could commit to increase oil drilling and fraking but the environmental lobby would have to chose a side

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1501551222196744196?s=21

Balls of steel.[emoji106]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1501551222196744196?s=21

Balls of steel.[emoji106]


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Brilliant 😆

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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An aide to Zelenskyy says Ukraine is ready for a diplomatic solution

A source from the Turkish Communications Agency has told China Media Group that the foreign ministers of Turkey, Russia and Ukraine will meet in Antalya at 11:00 a.m. local time on March 10

[Andy JR]

NATO is arming Ukraine to the teeth already.


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Indeed - Russia will be more afraid of Stinger/Starstreak/Javelin/NLAW than some Soviet era jets.

[ronaldo7]

The Home Office has been accused of “outright lies” after it claimed Ukrainian refugees in Calais could obtain free Eurostar tickets to travel to a UK visa centre in Lille – when in fact this route does not exist.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-refugees-calais-lille-eurostar-home-office-uk-b2031949.html

[Stairway 2 7]

Russian army at full pelt in Ukraine now, will be praying the chechens are fully under control

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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The Russian MOD is forced to admit that conscripts have been taking part in the conflict with Ukraine after a number had been captured

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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The question of whether NATO should provide Ukraine with Polish MIG-29 jets is not currently on the table, says a German government spokesperson

[SaulGoodman]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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An aide to Zelenskyy says Ukraine is ready for a diplomatic solution

A source from the Turkish Communications Agency has told China Media Group that the foreign ministers of Turkey, Russia and Ukraine will meet in Antalya at 11:00 a.m. local time on March 10

I always get excited when I read quotes like that until I realise that there is no solution that would keep Russia and Ukraine happy

[Stairway 2 7]

$100,000,000 of nlaws now sent to Ukraine, 2000 of them in January along with 30 paras to train Ukrainians. UK has done more than any nation to arm Ukraine, especially pre war. But the least to house them

Tom Newton Dunn
@tnewtondunn
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Defence Secretary Ben Wallace reveals the UK has now supplied Ukraine's forces with 3,615 NLAW anti-tank missiles so far, and will soon begin supplying them with Javelin missiles too

A significant step up in the UK's involvement in the war: Ben Wallace also reveals the MoD is to supply UK-made, man portable Starstreak surface to air missiles to Ukrainian forces too (the fastest in the world), as well as more rations and medical equipment


Trent Telenko
@TrentTelenko
UK Starstreak missiles are seriously nasty & small anti-aircraft missile w/three dart warheads.

Being laser beam riding, Russian flares are useless to decoy them.

They are much faster than a Stinger & all the operator has to do is keep the crosshair on the aircraft

[Ozyhibby]

I always get excited when I read quotes like that until I realise that there is no solution that would keep Russia and Ukraine happy

Totally agree. I see no end to this until Putin is no longer in power.


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[hibsbollah]

If this children’s hospital hit is as bad as early reports suggest, there is going to be a massive outcry.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

If this children’s hospital hit is as bad as early reports suggest, there is going to be a massive outcry.

Maternity hospital blasted now.

[greenginger]

The US gets about 8% of its oil from Russia, as does the UK.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/how-much-oil-does-the-us-import-from-russia


It says here US get only 3% of its crude oil imports from Russia.

[Hibernian Verse]

Maternity hospital blasted now.

Putin the babykiller.

As long as it's not happening to us though, right? :rolleyes:

[Oscar T Grouch]

If this children’s hospital hit is as bad as early reports suggest, there is going to be a massive outcry.

Zelensky calling for a No Fly Zone again after this, Mariupol Kids hospital totally destroyed by Russian forces.

Zelensky quoted “People, children are under the wreckage. Atrocity!” he wrote. “How much longer will the world be an accomplice ignoring terror?

“Close the sky right now! Stop the killings! You have power but you seem to be losing humanity.”

Evening Standard Article
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/mariupol-children-hospital-bombed-russian-army-b987044.html

[Aldo]

If this children’s hospital hit is as bad as early reports suggest, there is going to be a massive outcry.

Footage and report has just been confirmed with unknown number of children/babies buried within the debris!

Evil ****ing ****!

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[Del Boy]

Bombing a childrens hospital, can’t get much worse

Evil

[hibsbollah]

The MP for Mariupol was just on the bbc saying the maternity hospital was ‘full’.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

The MP for Mariupol was just on the bbc saying the maternity hospital was ‘full’.

Probably put kids there thinking 'surely not even Russia would bomb this'

[degenerated]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/how-much-oil-does-the-us-import-from-russia


It says here US get only 3% of its crude oil imports from Russia.It's not just crude oil though

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/why-does-the-u-s-still-buy-russian-oil-11646151935

[Since90+2]

Surely they didn't bomb a children's hospital on purpose? I mean, they are obviously evil *******s, but that is unimaginable.

Can't describe how angry that has made me. ********s.

[Jack]

$100,000,000 of nlaws now sent to Ukraine, 2000 of them in January along with 30 paras to train Ukrainians. UK has done more than any nation to arm Ukraine, especially pre war. But the least to house them

Tom Newton Dunn
@tnewtondunn
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Defence Secretary Ben Wallace reveals the UK has now supplied Ukraine's forces with 3,615 NLAW anti-tank missiles so far, and will soon begin supplying them with Javelin missiles too

A significant step up in the UK's involvement in the war: Ben Wallace also reveals the MoD is to supply UK-made, man portable Starstreak surface to air missiles to Ukrainian forces too (the fastest in the world), as well as more rations and medical equipment


Trent Telenko
@TrentTelenko
UK Starstreak missiles are seriously nasty & small anti-aircraft missile w/three dart warheads.

Being laser beam riding, Russian flares are useless to decoy them.

They are much faster than a Stinger & all the operator has to do is keep the crosshair on the aircraft

You would think the Ukranians would, from a military point of view, like to keep what they're being supplied with a bit hush hush so as to make a bigger impact on the battlefield.

With so much surface to air weaponry in inexperienced hands you can understand why NATO isn't that fussy using their aircraft to enforce a no fly zone!

[Stairway 2 7]

You would think the Ukranians would, from a military point of view, like to keep what they're being supplied with a bit hush hush so as to make a bigger impact on the battlefield.

With so much surface to air weaponry in inexperienced hands you can understand why NATO isn't that fussy using their aircraft to enforce a no fly zone!
They have advertised all they have got to pressure other nations and put some fear into the Russians. I think it's a bit obvious anyway with the 100 planes/helicopters and the thousands of Russian military vehicles that they are armed to the teeth.

They are also well trained on them and have excellent satellite and radar thanks to nato

[WhileTheChief..]

Surely they didn't bomb a children's hospital on purpose? I mean, they are obviously evil *******s, but that is unimaginable.

Can't describe how angry that has made me. ********s.

Absolute ****.

We're sitting here ****ting ourselves form Putin cause of nukes. Total BS. They barely have trucks that can move so I doubt their missiles would work even if they tried.

We should start bombing Moscow's hospitals.

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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A Red Army memorial has been demolished in the north-western Polish city of Koszalin by unidentified perpetrators, the police have reported

[WhileTheChief..]

The system isn't fit for purpose. They're sending women and young children all over Europe to try and get visas, and in some cases, asking them to wait until the end of this month before they'll even get an appointment to see someone.

Let's hope you never have to face the horrors that these human beings are currently facing.

I hope none of us do :aok:

[The_Exile]

Putin and the regime are totally unhinged, it's almost as if he wants a nuclear war. He must've thought "what's the worst possible thing we could do to bait them into it?", and just done it. And explain to me why we don't show the actual pictures of what's happening to people on the news? You go online and the Ukrainian people post as much video as they can and there is some unreal footage but it doesn't make the news? Are we too squeamish to see the real brutality of what's going on?

[WhileTheChief..]

Certainly less than the USA, so the question remains, why is it taking our government 9 months when the USA can do it in weeks?!

How can you possibly expect anyone on here to be able to answer that.

You're talking about a global supply chain. You think it's as easy as flicking a switch?

You really need to think through the consequence a bit more. There will be literally be millions of people and businesses affected by every decision taken.

None of this is easy. Every decision taken is huge and has massive implications, some that we've probably not even thought about.

The UK gov will be working closely with every other ally to try and have a cohesive response. The sanctions so far have been well received by almost all commentators on this and are working.

There will be more to come.

[grunt]

How can you possibly expect anyone on here to be able to answer that.

You're talking about a global supply chain. You think it's as easy as flicking a switch?

You really need to think through the consequence a bit more. There will be literally be millions of people and businesses affected by every decision taken.

None of this is easy. Every decision taken is huge and has massive implications, some that we've probably not even thought about.

The UK gov will be working closely with every other ally to try and have a cohesive response. The sanctions so far have been well received by almost all commentators on this and are working.

There will be more to come.All you say makes sense, except it doesn't come close to answering the valid question that if the US can turn their imports of Russian gas and oil off in weeks, why are we taking 9 months to do it? Surely all the complexity you describe applies to the US as well?

One reasonable explanation is that the UK wants to be seen to be acting without the burden of actually doing something.

[Kato]

All you say makes sense, except it doesn't come close to answering the valid question that if the US can turn their imports of Russian gas and oil off in weeks, why are we taking 9 months to do it? Surely all the complexity you describe applies to the US as well?

One reasonable explanation is that the UK wants to be seen to be acting without the burden of actually doing something. .. or why there are 30 day, 6 month and 18 month windows on the sanctions we have already "applied." No one else has left these options open to businesses or individuals.

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[WhileTheChief..]

I don't see that as being reasonable at all. More a needless dig at the Uk gov!

I know it's not a popular view, but I think the Uk gov has been tremendous during this conflict. Not perfect, but we seem to be doing an awful lot.

We don't need to be the best at everything. Right now, I'd imagine the Ukrainian gov is in more need of arms and intelligence than visas.

Allies should be playing to their strengths.

Neighbouring countries can offer the most practical support to those fleeing the crisis, we can arm the Ukrainians to the teeth and help them fight.

At the same time we're sending medical supplies, military supplies, logical support, intelligence etc etc.

We're doing our bit.

[James310]

I don't see that as being reasonable at all. More a needless dig at the Uk gov!

I know it's not a popular view, but I think the Uk gov has been tremendous during this conflict. Not perfect, but we seem to be doing an awful lot.

We don't need to be the best at everything. Right now, I'd imagine the Ukrainian gov is in more need of arms and intelligence than visas.

Allies should be playing to their strengths.

Neighbouring countries can offer the most practical support to those fleeing the crisis, we can arm the Ukrainians to the teeth and help them fight.

At the same time we're sending medical supplies, military supplies, logical support, intelligence etc etc.

We're doing our bit.

Agreed, the Ukrainian people seem to think the UK is doing a great job. Sure more can be done.

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1501571883573075972?t=9OONP42xstDLuS19szYqJg&s=19


US pollster @cygnal has polled residents of Ukraine on their view of certain countries and leaders:
EU +42.2
Nato -16.8
UK +56
Biden +25.8
Johnson +49.6
Zelensky +79
Putin -86.7

[grunt]

I don't see that as being reasonable at all. More a needless dig at the Uk gov!



Needless! NEEDLESS???

I honestly don't know where to start, but really, to keep it simple I'll just say this - the UK Government lies. All the time. They say they're going to do something but they don't, they are doing everything in their power to keep Ukraine refugees from coming to the UK. They are just interested in skimming money from the public purse to pay themselves and their friends.

They are in hock to Russian money and are so compromised they can't act on sanctions for fear of upsetting the Russians.

Really, I despair if we really think that the UK Govt is doing tremendously.

[Hibrandenburg]

Absolute ****.

We're sitting here ****ting ourselves form Putin cause of nukes. Total BS. They barely have trucks that can move so I doubt their missiles would work even if they tried.

We should start bombing Moscow's hospitals.Aye, that's what's needed now. :rolleyes:

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[grunt]

Aye, that's what's needed now. :rolleyes:

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Going all out for hearts and minds.

[Hibrandenburg]

All you say makes sense, except it doesn't come close to answering the valid question that if the US can turn their imports of Russian gas and oil off in weeks, why are we taking 9 months to do it? Surely all the complexity you describe applies to the US as well?

One reasonable explanation is that the UK wants to be seen to be acting without the burden of actually doing something.:agree: At least the Germans are being open and upfront about it.

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[Gatecrasher]

I don't see that as being reasonable at all. More a needless dig at the Uk gov!

I know it's not a popular view, but I think the Uk gov has been tremendous during this conflict. Not perfect, but we seem to be doing an awful lot.

We don't need to be the best at everything. Right now, I'd imagine the Ukrainian gov is in more need of arms and intelligence than visas.

Allies should be playing to their strengths.

Neighbouring countries can offer the most practical support to those fleeing the crisis, we can arm the Ukrainians to the teeth and help them fight.

At the same time we're sending medical supplies, military supplies, logical support, intelligence etc etc.

We're doing our bit.
Uk gov had folk over there preparing, supplying and training the Ukraine forces before this thing even kicked off, no many countries were doing that. I think a lot of that is being forgotten. The Refugee stuff is out of order though.

[grunt]

The UK response on refugees, a report.

https://twitter.com/bbcrosatkins/status/1501267753793167367?s=21

[Since90+2]

Absolute ****.

We're sitting here ****ting ourselves form Putin cause of nukes. Total BS. They barely have trucks that can move so I doubt their missiles would work even if they tried.

We should start bombing Moscow's hospitals.

It's horrendous what is happening. The smart people in positions of power however, and I don't mean the faces at the front like Boris, fortunately for us won't be banking on nuclear weapons "not working".

And for the suggestion we should start bombing Moscow's hospitals, I'll put that down to a poster being too emotionally involved.

[Kato]

Uk gov had folk over there preparing, supplying and training the Ukraine forces before this thing even kicked off, no many countries were doing that. I think a lot of that is being forgotten. The Refugee stuff is out of order though.That's pretty balanced. Some things right somethings wrong.

They are telling huge porkers about sanctioning individuals. Its reckoned every Oligarch is only allowed to take his money out of RU if Putin gets a cut. Also remember each and every oligarch stole their means of making a profit. The amount of RU money in London plus the reticence to publish exactly who is being sanctioned stinks. Rees-Mogg published a round sum which included individuals and businesses "designated" to be sanctioned but as yet not.

Why muddy the waters?

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[Aldo]

What are the Russians justification for bombing this Maternity Hospital.

Really really cowardly act but an abhorrent **** of a man!

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[JeMeSouviens]

Uk gov had folk over there preparing, supplying and training the Ukraine forces before this thing even kicked off, no many countries were doing that. I think a lot of that is being forgotten. The Refugee stuff is out of order though.

Got to agree there.

Miltary support 8/10
International co-operation 6/10
Sanctions 3/10
Refugee support 0/10

[lapsedhibee]

What are the Russians justification for bombing this Maternity Hospital.



It's done to break the spirit of the Ukrainian people.

[Aldo]

It's done to break the spirit of the Ukrainian people.

Indeed. He’s been doing it from the start in an effort to get them to surrender!


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[Callum_62]

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[hibsbollah]

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Spectator? Pah! Typical UK govt bashing lefty publication…

[grunt]

Sanctions 3/10

Overly generous IMO.

[WhileTheChief..]

It's horrendous what is happening. The smart people in positions of power however, and I don't mean the faces at the front like Boris, fortunately for us won't be banking on nuclear weapons "not working".

And for the suggestion we should start bombing Moscow's hospitals, I'll put that down to a poster being too emotionally involved.

Thanks, spur of the moment reaction to the news about the kids hospital. Obviously I didn't really mean it.

[WhileTheChief..]

Agreed, the Ukrainian people seem to think the UK is doing a great job. Sure more can be done.

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1501571883573075972?t=9OONP42xstDLuS19szYqJg&s=19


US pollster @cygnal has polled residents of Ukraine on their view of certain countries and leaders:
EU +42.2
Nato -16.8
UK +56
Biden +25.8
Johnson +49.6
Zelensky +79
Putin -86.7

I'm certainly more interested in what Ukrainians living through this hell think than our media or anyone else over here.

[Since90+2]

Thanks, spur of the moment reaction to the news about the kids hospital. Obviously I didn't really mean it.

I'm think anyone reading Russia have bombed a children's hospital will react with the same level of disgust.

I am, perhaps naively, thinking it was done in error rather than an intentional target. Not that it makes any difference to the poor people who have perished.

[Kato]

I'm certainly more interested in what Ukrainians living through this hell think than our media or anyone else over here....and if the opinions of each country were the other way round so would your perception.

Do you really think sanctions are all they could be?

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[Hibrandenburg]

Shameful https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220309/d4fcec06258f0026d43e3d1ea9eb6429.jpg

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[WeeRussell]

Agreed, the Ukrainian people seem to think the UK is doing a great job. Sure more can be done.

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1501571883573075972?t=9OONP42xstDLuS19szYqJg&s=19


US pollster @cygnal has polled residents of Ukraine on their view of certain countries and leaders:
EU +42.2
Nato -16.8
UK +56
Biden +25.8
Johnson +49.6
Zelensky +79
Putin -86.7

It’s almost as if people in Ukraine might not be aware that Boris Johnson is a liar and a c***.

[Jones28]

As if the bombing of a children’s hospital was despicable enough, it also took place during a ceasefire.

Honestly the longer we stay out of this fight the more these things will keep happening.

How many murdered Ukrainian children does it take for the west to impose a no fly zone?

[Jones28]

Shameful https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220309/d4fcec06258f0026d43e3d1ea9eb6429.jpg

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But but but we’re doing loads to help!

I honestly cannot fathom anyone sticking up for the UK Gov here. It’s utterly pathetic.

[hibsbollah]

Shameful https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220309/d4fcec06258f0026d43e3d1ea9eb6429.jpg

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Shhh, our government is all doing a great job for Ukraine apparently.

[Since90+2]

Shameful https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220309/d4fcec06258f0026d43e3d1ea9eb6429.jpg

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Not that I'm defending the UK here, we should be doing more, but is that literally the entire requirement for a Ukrainian entering the EU? Literally just be a Ukrainian national and you are automatically granted refugee status?

[Jones28]

Not that I'm defending the UK here, we should be doing more, but is that literally the entire requirement for a Ukrainian entering the EU? Literally just be a Ukrainian national and you are automatically granted refugee status?

Yep.

[Since90+2]

Yep.

How are they able to confirm that the applicant is indeed Ukrainian? If they don't have a passport or any form of identification are they just simply granting refugee status to literally anyone who turns up at the border and says "I'm Ukrainian"?

[Green Reaper]

How are they able to confirm that the applicant is indeed Ukrainian? If they don't have a passport or any form of identification are they just simply granting refugee status to literally anyone who turns up at the border and says "I'm Ukrainian"?

I think one of the things was asking them questions in Ukrainian, don’t know what else

[Lee Marvin]

Tonight's news is almost unwatchable it's so horrific.

It's also absolutely ashamed by our government. To a man and woman, the Tory cabinet are pure ****

[Hibrandenburg]

Not that I'm defending the UK here, we should be doing more, but is that literally the entire requirement for a Ukrainian entering the EU? Literally just be a Ukrainian national and you are automatically granted refugee status?The chances are that if you speak Ukrainian, have a Ukrainian passport or id and are crossing the Ukrainian border, then you're Ukrainian fleeing a murderous Russian military.

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[Kato]

It’s almost as if people in Ukraine might not be aware that Boris Johnson is a liar and a c***.Probably right.

UK based RU Oligarchs now attempting to close down reporting of debate in UK Parliament.

I suppose there will a test for Johnson sooner or later. Allowing his oligarch friends and donors to interfere in his party and mess up the UK economy is one thing. Giving them carte blanche to do so without meaningful parliamentary discussion is another thing altogether.

It does speak volumes about the intertwined nature of the Tory Party and the RU oligarchs that such a move is even happening. What have they got to hide?


https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1501625680974565380?t=8Q9t0Kf-Db73cp7jcN1LMg&s=19

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[Since90+2]

The chances are that if you speak Ukrainian, have a Ukrainian passport or id and are crossing the Ukrainian border, then you're Ukrainian fleeing a murderous Russian military.

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My question is around how they are confirming they are a Ukrainian national (as per the image you uploaded). I can imagine a lot these people won't have official documents, so what is the procedure for confirming they are a Ukrainian national?

[Hibrandenburg]

My question is around how they are confirming they are a Ukrainian national (as per the image you uploaded). I can imagine a lot these people won't have official documents, so what is the procedure for confirming they are a Ukrainian national?To be honest I don't really give a flying ****. When millions are fleeing for their lives, it's time to act first and ask questions later.

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[Callum_62]

My question is around how they are confirming they are a Ukrainian national (as per the image you uploaded). I can imagine a lot these people won't have official documents, so what is the procedure for confirming they are a Ukrainian national?For those who fled their homes without their passports or any other means of personal identification, the Commission says member states can relax border controls and allow them to enter their territory so they can reach a safe location, where the ID checks will be carried out.

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[hibsbollah]

My question is around how they are confirming they are a Ukrainian national (as per the image you uploaded). I can imagine a lot these people won't have official documents, so what is the procedure for confirming they are a Ukrainian national?

The vast majority of Ukrainian refugees will be carrying their Ukrainian passports.

[Since90+2]

To be honest I don't really give a flying ****. When millions are fleeing for their lives, it's time to act and ask questions later.

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That's fair enough if you don't know the answer, I'm not looking for an argument, or defending the UK as per my previous post. I was simply wondering how they were going about confirming they are a Ukrainian national.

[degenerated]

That's fair enough if you don't know the answer, I'm not looking for an argument, or defending the UK as per my previous post. I was simply wondering how they were going about confirming they are a Ukrainian national.Could we not work that out once they are here? The government excuse of Russian spies sneaking in isn't a particularly good one given that we know they seem to be able to come here act here with impunity anyway.

[hibsbollah]

Could we not work that out once they are here? The government excuse of Russian spies sneaking in isn't a particularly good one given that we know they seem to be able to come here act here with impunity anyway.

Worried about Russian spies? They’ve got a cheek

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/07/boris-johnson-denies-overruling-spies-concerns-over-evgeny-lebedev-peerage

[degenerated]

Worried about Russian spies? They’ve got a cheek

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/07/boris-johnson-denies-overruling-spies-concerns-over-evgeny-lebedev-peerageIf I were in MI5 id be having a right good look at quite a few members of the Tory Party, Dominic Cummings, Aaron Banks and Nigel Farage.

[Jones28]

How are they able to confirm that the applicant is indeed Ukrainian? If they don't have a passport or any form of identification are they just simply granting refugee status to literally anyone who turns up at the border and says "I'm Ukrainian"?

I think that’s the point though, what if you’re house was blown pieces or you had to leave without being able to pick up a council tax bill or a passport?

The EU trust people and if a few migrants get through the lines then that’s fair price to pay to help people.

[hibsbollah]

If I were in MI5 id be having a right good look at quite a few members of the Tory Party, Dominic Cummings, Aaron Banks and Nigel Farage.

But look at this guy Lebedev. What had he done in 2020, and what has he done since, for the British nation, to justify a peerage? He’s an oligarch, son of a KGB boss, favored by Putin, now a newspaper owner influencing the 4th estate, spies warned Johnson about him, and he gives him a peerage anyway, he sits in the Lords and presumably gets access to security briefings?

Why the **** am I just waking up to what an actual cluster**** this country is? :faf:

[grunt]

The EU trust people and if a few migrants get through the lines then that’s fair price to pay to help people.
Sounds like a very grown up approach to the problem. If only we were still in the EU...

[grunt]

Why the **** am I just waking up to what an actual cluster**** this country is? :faf:
Welcome to my nightmare.

[degenerated]

But look at this guy Lebedev. What had he done in 2020, and what has he done since, for the British nation, to justify a peerage? He’s an oligarch, son of a KGB boss, favored by Putin, now a newspaper owner influencing the 4th estate, spies warned Johnson about him, and he gives him a peerage anyway, he sits in the Lords and presumably gets access to security briefings?

Why the **** am I just waking up to what an actual cluster**** this country is? :faf:


It's not what he's done but probably more a case of what he has on Johnson that earned him his peerage. Same with Gavin Williamson, though I doubt he is anything more than just an incompetent arse who happened to find himself in possession of kompromat through his role as chief whip.

[Stairway 2 7]

I believe Russia had influence in the uk government particularly around brexit. But if the controlled the tories with money it must be up there with the worst money spent.

For the last 5 years uk has trained hundreds of Ukrainian snipers and supplied them with their weapons. Supplied 2000 NLAWs pre war the only nation to do so and sent the paras to teach battalions how to use them. The nlaws were credited with stopping the early advances. Now sent $100,000,000 of 3500 nlaws, javelins, stingers and sending $90,000,000 sky sabre and star streak systems.

Why did their Russian masters say please don't.

I think it's clear we've done more than any to arm Ukraine and less than most for refugees

[hibsbollah]

Zahawi on Question Time special now, always worth a watch. Lammy coming across very well.

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA@nexta_tv·
#Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba arrived in #Antalya for negotiations with Lavrov

[Kato]

I believe Russia had influence in the uk government particularly around brexit. But if the controlled the tories with money it must be up there with the worst money spent.

For the last 5 years uk has trained hundreds of Ukrainian snipers and supplied them with their weapons. Supplied 2000 NLAWs pre war the only nation to do so and sent the paras to teach battalions how to use them. The nlaws were credited with stopping the early advances. Now sent $100,000,000 of 3500 nlaws, javelins, stingers and sending $90,000,000 sky sabre system.

Why did their Russian masters say please don't.

I think it's clear we've done more than any to arm Ukraine and less than most for refugeesThe RU thought they could step right in. 48 hours all done. All those arms would be in their possession. Besides if the aim if just to cause chaos a protracted pagger also suits.



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[Ozyhibby]

I believe Russia had influence in the uk government particularly around brexit. But if the controlled the tories with money it must be up there with the worst money spent.

For the last 5 years uk has trained hundreds of Ukrainian snipers and supplied them with their weapons. Supplied 2000 NLAWs pre war the only nation to do so and sent the paras to teach battalions how to use them. The nlaws were credited with stopping the early advances. Now sent $100,000,000 of 3500 nlaws, javelins, stingers and sending $90,000,000 sky sabre system.

Why did their Russian masters say please don't.

I think it's clear we've done more than any to arm Ukraine and less than most for refugees

I very much doubt the oligarchs were funding the Tories for the benefit of Putin and def not Russia. It would have been for London to remain a haven for their I’ll gotten gains. Helping Putin with Brexit was just where their interests aligned in that the EU was bringing in stricter transparency laws.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The RU thought they could step right in. 48 hours all done. All those arms would be in their possession. Besides if the aim if just to cause chaos a protracted pagger also suits.



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One of the big reason the never is because British nlaws though. They have decimated an estimated 300 tanks

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
1h
BREAKING:

“Sending Polish fighter jets to Ukraine via US base in Germany certainly not an option,” says German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

He added that it is important to instead find a diplomatic solution with Russia

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1501652226330316802?s=21

Interesting thread from a respected journo.


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[LunasBoots]

Russian police arrest 400 protesters in Kherson Ukraine.

[degenerated]

I very much doubt the oligarchs were funding the Tories for the benefit of Putin and def not Russia. It would have been for London to remain a haven for their I’ll gotten gains. Helping Putin with Brexit was just where their interests aligned in that the EU was bringing in stricter transparency laws.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis could be quite an interesting source of info once they start publishing the details.

https://www.icij.org/investigations/russia-archive/icij-releases-the-russia-archive-an-inside-look-at-how-elites-close-to-putin-hide-wealth-offshore/

[Stairway 2 7]

Another around $100,000,000 to be sent

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
BREAKING:

The British Secretary of Defense just stated that Britain is about to send another 3615 NLAW anti-tank missile systems to Ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

This has been getting engineered by the US for the last few weeks. Between this and the fact the US is able to release 90 million barrels of its oil reserves, is why the US can stop buying Russian oil this month

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
·
UAE Ambassador Al Otaiba: “We favor production increases and will be encouraging OPEC to consider higher production levels

This is an announcement I have been expecting for some time, the US has been doing a lot of back room dealing on this issue

Not great news for Russia as they had probably anticipated using oil as a major wedge issue

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

The modern Russian patrol boat 'Ivan Bykov' which was burnt out by the Ukrainian Navy has finally sank in the Black Sea today

As the #Odesa-based newspaper Dumskaya reported, it was a specially designed secret operation of the Ukraine Navy. Two #Ukrainian speedboats provoked the Russian boat to follow them, so it sailed right into the prepared area of artillery fire and was successfully destroyed

[Kato]

One of the big reason the never is because British nlaws though. They have decimated an estimated 300 tanksFair enough. Motives and inclinations might not be all that obvious to all sides given the politics are murky at best.

Remember when RU moved into Crimea in 2014 Johnson blamed EU and equated them with Nazis. Sounds weird in light of the last few weeks but he pushed Putin's propaganda at the time.

Whatever is going down Crimea/Brexit/Skripal/Oligarchs - it's all as clear as mud. I don't trust any of them. There seems to be a slight push back on the Tory back benches, ie those not in on the game but they are also given short shrift by the Cabinet.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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The modern Russian patrol boat 'Ivan Bykov' which was burnt out by the Ukrainian Navy has finally sank in the Black Sea today

As the #Odesa-based newspaper Dumskaya reported, it was a specially designed secret operation of the Ukraine Navy. Two #Ukrainian speedboats provoked the Russian boat to follow them, so it sailed right into the prepared area of artillery fire and was successfully destroyed

Just realised this ship sunk was the Russian warship that was to go **** itself, karma for the heroes of snake Island

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warship-snake-island-ukraine-navy-b2030878.html

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1501652226330316802?s=21

Interesting thread from a respected journo.


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7,000 to 9,000 Russian dead, first word war level losses

Gabriel Milland
@gabrielmilland

So that's at least a tenth and perhaps getting for a fifth of the total US death toll for a decade of war in Vietnam. But in a fortnight. From a smaller population

Per capita, it's a death rate in two weeks of around 10 times the total number of British KIA over two decades of war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If accurate, it's a daily death toll roughly equivalent to that suffered by either army at Verdun

[WhileTheChief..]

[QUOTE=Stairway 2 7;6885414]
For the last 5 years uk has trained hundreds of Ukrainian snipers and supplied them with their weapons. Supplied 2000 NLAWs pre war the only nation to do so and sent the paras to teach battalions how to use them. The nlaws were credited with stopping the early advances. Now sent $100,000,000 of 3500 nlaws, javelins, stingers and sending $90,000,000 sky sabre and star streak systems.
/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting this, it's brilliant to hear this kind of stuff.

There's certainly plenty of footage on Twitter of it being put to good use.

[Lendo]

7,000 to 9,000 Russian dead, first word war level losses

Gabriel Milland
@gabrielmilland

So that's at least a tenth and perhaps getting for a fifth of the total US death toll for a decade of war in Vietnam. But in a fortnight. From a smaller population

Per capita, it's a death rate in two weeks of around 10 times the total number of British KIA over two decades of war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If accurate, it's a daily death toll roughly equivalent to that suffered by either army at Verdun

I said a few pages back that they are nearing the same number of losses as their whole ten years of occupation in Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s. Incredible numbers, tragic but also very little sympathy.

[grunt]

And here's the story of Tory friends making money from the whole visa scandal.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ukraine-visa-chaos-contractor-tlscontact-priti-patel/

[majorhibs]

He explained that we need to keep checks on who is coming into the country. A sensible approach in the current climate.

This posters scabby tory insensitive inhuman frankly illiterate & illogical to what’s goin on presently views should be treated wi the shabby disdain that this thatch/pratt/tebb/inhuman hybrid it obv. is, deserves. Knew aw they scifi books would make me sound clever at least once.
Kindae searched for admins there for legit or no but cannae find anywhere, I do things in jest, but cannae interpret such a thing as a tory fi Scotland right enough!

[Stairway 2 7]

This posters scabby tory insensitive inhuman frankly illiterate & illogical to what’s goin on presently views should be treated wi the shabby disdain that this thatch/pratt/tebb/inhuman hybrid it obv. is, deserves. Knew aw they scifi books would make me sound clever at least once.
Kindae searched for admins there for legit or no but cannae find anywhere, I do things in jest, but cannae interpret such a thing as a tory fi Scotland right enough!

Are your posts like a magic Eye picture, if you squint your eyes you can maybe unjumble it?

[Stairway 2 7]

F.C. København
@FCKobenhavn
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For our International followers: It is with great sadness that we have received news that David Khocholava's father-in-law has died while defending his country in the war in Ukraine. Everyone at the club sends their condolences to David and his family

[Kato]

And here's the story of Tory friends making money from the whole visa scandal.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ukraine-visa-chaos-contractor-tlscontact-priti-patel/Thats part of the countries actual sovereignty if such a term can be made tangible. The system if who comes and goes sold to an inept company; as with the Post Office scandal people are irrelevant when it comes to monetization. If anything you have to admire the consistency, like you would when you see a colony of ants.



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[majorhibs]

Are your posts like a magic Eye picture, if you squint your eyes you can maybe unjumble it?

WTF magic eye picture?? Is it me or you?

[hibsbollah]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/world/europe/ukraine-family-perebyinis-kyiv.html

Lump in the throat stuff this. He recognized the luggage.

[Aldo]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/world/europe/ukraine-family-perebyinis-kyiv.html

Lump in the throat stuff this. He recognized the luggage.

Utterly heartbreaking!

Reports this morning from the Russian mouthpiece claims that the attacks on Civilians and yesterdays attack on the Maternity Hospital is fake news and is Ukrainian and west propaganda!


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[Ryan91]

Utterly heartbreaking!

Reports this morning from the Russian mouthpiece claims that the attacks on Civilians and yesterdays attack on the Maternity Hospital is fake news and is Ukrainian and west propaganda!


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Russia also claiming that the maternity hospital was attached because Ukrainian troops had set up firing positions there.

Surprised it took them this long

[Stairway 2 7]

Photo from two days before the bombing
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Day of
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[Fuzzywuzzy]

Is there a reason that the UN peacekeepers haven't been deployed? Not being obtuse, just not sure under what circumstances they get involved

[Kato]

Is there a reason that the UN peacekeepers haven't been deployed? Not being obtuse, just not sure under what circumstances they get involvedWhen there is peace to keep?

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[Stairway 2 7]

Conflict News
@Conflicts
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BREAKING: Russian, Ukrainian foreign ministers begin talks in Turkey: Moscow -
@AFP

[Stairway 2 7]

Surprised Hugo boss choses the right side for a change

@nexta_tv
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The #Japanese cosmetics company #Shiseido has decided to suspend the supply of its products to #Russia.

The #German brand #HugoBoss also announced its withdrawal

Caterpillar vehicles end trading in Russia

KFC, Burger King, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut follow Mcdonalds end closing all stores in Russia

[Stairway 2 7]

100% of the standing Russian army now in Ukraine, with volunteer groups now getting called up due to losses.

Poor equipment is surprising everyone. Here they have 1970s tanks outside Kiev

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1501822428175024130

[ronaldo7]

A new pop-up visa processing centre is being opened in Lille.

However, the location of the centre will not be made public.

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1501814584017100800

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1501806617196642307

[Killiehibbie]

Talk of non conventional weapons being the Russians next move. I take it that covers chemical as well as nuclear?

[Stairway 2 7]

Talk of non conventional weapons being the Russians next move. I take it that covers chemical as well as nuclear?

Think it's mainly Thermobaric. It's a war crime to use them in civilian areas but uk mod says they have been. Of course Russia will say we gave everyone the chance to leave so no where should be civilian. Bombing and mining escape routes won't be mentioned , they did the same in Syria

[ronaldo7]

Rio Tinto to sever ties with Russian businesses over Ukraine war.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/10/rio-tinto-to-sever-ties-with-russian-businesses-over-ukraine-war

[Stairway 2 7]

There goes your 3 billion Roman

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BREAKING

Roman Abramovich has been sanctioned by the Government and his asserts - including Chelsea Football Club - have been frozen

Chelsea have been given a special licence to continue with football related activities but the sale effectively bars the sale of the club

Abramovich is one of seven high-profile oligarchs who have been sanctioned by the government

The others include Oleg Deripaska, the owner of the EN+ Group, and Igor Sechin, the chairman of Rosneft

Sanctioning Chelsea Football Club effectively places it in limbo

A special licence from the Treasury means that 'football-related activities' such as tonights game against Norwich can go ahead

But Abramovich cannot sell the club

The Government would need to give special dispensation for the sale of Chelsea, and no money could go to Abramovich either directly or indirectly

'He [Abramovich] will not get a penny from the sale of the club'

Likely to be a protracted process


Guy Elster
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#BREAKING UK it had imposed asset freezes on Russian businessmen Roman Abramovich, Igor Sechin, Oleg Deripaska and Dmitri Lebedev

[Ozyhibby]

Is there a reason that the UN peacekeepers haven't been deployed? Not being obtuse, just not sure under what circumstances they get involved

Usually only deployed after a truce?


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[Hibernian Verse]

There goes your 3 billion Roman

Steven Swinford
@Steven_Swinford
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BREAKING

Roman Abramovich has been sanctioned by the Government and his asserts - including Chelsea Football Club - have been frozen

Chelsea have been given a special licence to continue with football related activities but the sale effectively bars the sale of the club

Abramovich is one of seven high-profile oligarchs who have been sanctioned by the government

The others include Oleg Deripaska, the owner of the EN+ Group, and Igor Sechin, the chairman of Rosneft

Sanctioning Chelsea Football Club effectively places it in limbo

A special licence from the Treasury means that 'football-related activities' such as tonights game against Norwich can go ahead

But Abramovich cannot sell the club

The Government would need to give special dispensation for the sale of Chelsea, and no money could go to Abramovich either directly or indirectly

'He [Abramovich] will not get a penny from the sale of the club'

Likely to be a protracted process


Guy Elster
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#BREAKING UK it had imposed asset freezes on Russian businessmen Roman Abramovich, Igor Sechin, Oleg Deripaska and Dmitri Lebedev

Lord Lebedev of the House of Lords being sanctioned. What a murky place London is.

[Mon Dieu4]

Lord Lebedev of the House of Lords being sanctioned. What a murky place London is.

That's not him, his name is Evgeny, which probably makes it more murky

[Ryan91]

Is there a reason that the UN peacekeepers haven't been deployed? Not being obtuse, just not sure under what circumstances they get involved

Peacekeepers are deployed by the Security Council, any motion to deploy them in Ukraine would be vetoed by Russia

[Kato]

That's not him, his name is Evgeny, which probably makes it more murkyIs it his auld boy?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/charles_lister/status/1501654584992968712?s=21

More balls of steel Ukrainians.[emoji102]


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[hibsbollah]

That's not him, his name is Evgeny, which probably makes it more murky

Yep, Lord Evgeny Lebedev isn't going to be sanctioned, hes probably untouchable now.

[grunt]

#BREAKING UK it had imposed asset freezes on Russian businessmen Roman Abramovich, Igor Sechin, Oleg Deripaska and Dmitri Lebedev

Dmitri Lebedev Sanctioned by the US in 2016.
Igor Sechin Sanctioned by the US in 2014.
Oleg Deripaska Sanctioned by the US in 2018.

We're just slowly catching up.

[James310]

https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1501849425643245571?t=1qFH9KWHfHt17ePgOYt6CA&s=19

Chelsea can still operate under a special licence but sale now on hold. Club will not be allowed to sell any more tickets - only season ticket holders can go to games for the foreseeable future.

Also: no merchandise sales allowed; no player transfers or new contracts; catering services will be permitted.

[ronaldo7]

I did say yesterday that the visa system wasn't fit for purpose. When digging a little deeper to try and find out why, the Tories never fail to amaze me.

Priti Patel ignored warnings that the Home Office contractor which told desperate Ukrainian refugees to wait weeks for visa appointments had the “sole focus” of making a profit and a history of squeezing cash out of applicants, openDemocracy can reveal.

It was claimed yesterday in Parliament that TLSContact’s visa centre in Rzeszow, Poland, had turned away applicants who had queued in freezing temperatures for hours, saying it had no slots available until the end of April. Reports on social media claimed the firm had been pressuring Ukrainians to pay for extra services beyond its basic free appointments.

The Labour MP Clive Efford slammed the situation as “complete chaos”.

Now it has emerged that the home secretary was told by the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration in November 2021 that TLSContact was so hell-bent on making profit that its use posed a risk of “reputational damage” to the UK. The firm has been handed government contracts worth hundreds of millions of pounds since 2014.

“[Its] sole focus is income generation. The human aspect is not at all valued,” one British Embassy whistleblower told the chief inspector.

The whistleblower added: “There are applicants being persuaded to buy unnecessary additional services at the [visa application centres]... The most recent contract with external commercial partners has meant that it is through ‘upselling’ these additional services that partners make their money.”

A British man who fled Kyiv with his Ukrainian family told openDemocracy he had been given a waiting time of 13 days for a visa appointment at TLSContact’s Budapest centre.

Wes Gleeson, 43, moved to Ukraine in 2010. He said it was “embarrassing” just how difficult it was to secure a UK visa, adding he had experienced similar problems with the company for years.

“The application tracker doesn’t work. The booking system doesn’t work,” he said of his dealings with the company in the past. “The only thing that seems to work is the parts where they’re trying to upsell stuff to you.”

Gleeson, originally from Oxford, said his wife Inna, 38, no longer wanted to come to the UK at all because of how difficult the government had made it for Ukrainian refugees to enter the country.

The couple escaped to Moldova last week with Gleeson’s sister-in-law and her seven-year-old child, before taking a 26-hour bus journey to Hungary.

The software entrepreneur’s comments were echoed by others on social media, who said the process for obtaining visas for Ukrainian family members was “cruel and bureaucratic” and that they were forced to pay TLSContact for additional services to make any progress.

Its parent company, Teleperformance Ltd, was awarded a £167m contract by the Home Office in 2014 to run the UK’s visa centres across Europe under the TLSContact brand. Gleeson said it was “horrific” and “pitiful” that the government had given so much money to the company.

The company, which is the UK subsidiary of the French multinational, was also paid nearly £259m by the Department of Health to run call centres for its much-maligned Test and Trace programme during the pandemic, which a parliamentary committee found had “no impact” on slowing the spread of the virus.

More than 14,000 complaints were made about TLSContact between March and September 2020, according to the same report by the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration.
The chief inspector said a lack of free appointments and support for filling out applications meant many customers were left with no choice but to pay for additional services. TLSContact’s Kyiv visa centre, which is currently shut, lists a £90 service to scan documents and offers customers a “flexible appointment” for £60.

The Home Office’s own customer satisfaction survey similarly found that, between January 2019 and August 2020, 72% of people applying for visas overseas through its private contractors felt forced to pay for extras to get a good service.

Staff based at overseas visa centres admitted that customers regularly experienced difficulties with filling out online applications and that more “support and language help is needed”. The report found that customers had to rely on relatives in the UK to help them or were advised to pay for assistance as no free support was provided.

One immigration lawyer told the chief inspector that TLSContact’s website was “broken” and that it had crashed on many occasions when trying to submit a request, while another site user reported being unable to upload documents.

The chief inspector recommended that the Home Office publish statistics on the number of free appointments being made available by overseas visa centres, but the department in its response to the report said that there was “limited value in publishing this data”.

Teleperformance has previously faced criticism from MPs and unions over its treatment of call centre workers.

Last year, an operator answering calls to the NHS’s 111 advice line told a parliamentary inquiry that the company refused to allow staff to work from home.

“Your beloved Covid-19 response line... is made up of hundreds of temporary employees, without proper contracts, no benefits, no holiday entitlement and worst of all we are crammed into a call centre,” the worker, who was not named, told the Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Committee’s inquiry into the impact of the pandemic on businesses and workers.

They said they had witnessed operators come to work despite being ill because the company only provided statutory sick leave, which many said they could not afford to live on.

Teleperformance’s CEO Daniel Julien boasted of setting “new growth records” in the company’s 2021 annual report, which showed a 25% increase in revenue to €7.1bn.

The report said TLSContact, which has long-term contracts with 46 governments, had a “robust and unique business model” based on offering a “range of high value-added products and services” to people applying for visas.

Last year, openDemocracy revealed that Teleperformance Ltd, which operates in the UK but is owned by the French company, had received furlough payments from the government despite also being awarded a multi-million COVID contract.

The Home Office and Teleperformance had not responded to a request for comment at the time of publication.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ukraine-visa-chaos-contractor-tlscontact-priti-patel/

[hibsbollah]

Is it his auld boy?

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It’s a very common surname. Lord Yvgenys dad is Alexander, former KGB spy, suddenly became a billionaire, politician, Tory donor and part owner of the Evening Standard. Nothing unusual there at all :rolleyes:

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1501849425643245571?t=1qFH9KWHfHt17ePgOYt6CA&s=19

Chelsea can still operate under a special licence but sale now on hold. Club will not be allowed to sell any more tickets - only season ticket holders can go to games for the foreseeable future.

Also: no merchandise sales allowed; no player transfers or new contracts; catering services will be permitted.

Jeez, merchandise will be a huge loss

[JeMeSouviens]

Is it his auld boy?

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His dad is an Alexander. This guy Dmitri is chairman of one of the big Russian banks.

[Stairway 2 7]

Dmitri Lebedev Sanctioned by the US in 2016.
Igor Sechin Sanctioned by the US in 2014.
Oleg Deripaska Sanctioned by the US in 2018.

We're just slowly catching up.

Least were doing something eventually. Chelsea surely the biggest asset seized by far, probably close to all European personal assets seized so far combined

[CropleyWasGod]

Least were doing something eventually. Chelsea surely the biggest asset seized by far, probably close to all European personal assets seized so far combined

Pretty sure it's "freezing" rather than "seizing".

If it were the latter, HMG would be taking control of Chelsea....the mind boggles :greengrin

[Kato]

It’s a very common surname. Lord Yvgenys dad is Alexander, former KGB spy, suddenly became a billionaire, politician, Tory donor and part owner of the Evening Standard. Nothing unusual there at all :rolleyes:Given the standard and legals aspects set by this Govt that looks all above board. Dodgy, dangerous and wilfully reckless but legal.

The Deripaska guy was sanctioned in US in2018 for trying fix elections to favour "pro-Kremlin regimes across the globe". George Osborne's pal and Lord Ashcroft's buddy, a known proxy-spy.

Still, they have had a couple of weeks siphoning off time before these sanctions.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Pretty sure it's "freezing" rather than "seizing".

If it were the latter, HMG would be taking control of Chelsea....the mind boggles :greengrin

They said in the press release no money from the sale once they get it concluded will go to Abramovich. Same as usmanovs boat , there will perhaps be court cases throughout Europe to decide where the money goes

[Since90+2]

I'm surprised the UK government can enforce no transfers, surely from an employee perspective that's infringing on their rights? Sounds like if you are a Chelsea player and had planned to move elsewhere in the summer they now won't be allowed to.

Before anyone says, yes I know they are extremely well paid and not suffering hardship, it was more around the ability to restrict someone's ability to work (regardless of how well paid they are).

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm surprised the UK government can enforce no transfers, surely from an employee perspective that's infringing on their rights? Sounds like if you are a Chelsea player and had planned to move elsewhere in the summer they now won't be allowed to.

Surely the government expect to conclude the sale before the summer

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Jeez, merchandise will be a huge loss

Can still buy merchandise on the website.

[Stairway 2 7]

Can still buy merchandise on the website.

Doubt it will be instant


NEXTA@nexta_tv·

⚡️#Britain put #Abramovich, #Sechin, #Deripaska, #Lebedev, #Miller, #Kostin, and #Tokarev on sanctions lists

[s.a.m]

Pretty sure it's "freezing" rather than "seizing".

If it were the latter, HMG would be taking control of Chelsea....the mind boggles :greengrin


"So cheer us on, through the sun and rain, 'cause Hector, Hector is our name." :tee hee:

[Ozyhibby]

Least were doing something eventually. Chelsea surely the biggest asset seized by far, probably close to all European personal assets seized so far combined

Not close to being the biggest, just most high profile.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Not close to being the biggest, just most high profile.


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What personal asset is bigger than it, not central bank ect

[Stairway 2 7]

What side are people on climate on one side, lowering crippling gas prices and getting rid of the need for Russian oil on the other

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-could-bring-back-fracking-bid-end-reliance-foreign-energy-sources-1508228
Boris Johnson could bring back fracking in bid to end reliance on foreign energy sources
Boris Johnson is expected to announce more North Sea drilling, extra nuclear power and a greater use of renewable energy amid concerns over the cost of living

Britain could aim to cut out the use of foreign oil and gas within less than eight years as ministers consider restarting fracking as part of the push to abandon Russian energy.

Boris Johnson is planning to announce his strategy for national energy independence next week which will see a push for more North Sea oil, new nuclear power and extra renewable energy.

[Jones28]

What side are people on climate on one side, lowering crippling gas prices and getting rid of the need for Russian oil on the other

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-could-bring-back-fracking-bid-end-reliance-foreign-energy-sources-1508228
Boris Johnson could bring back fracking in bid to end reliance on foreign energy sources
Boris Johnson is expected to announce more North Sea drilling, extra nuclear power and a greater use of renewable energy amid concerns over the cost of living

Britain could aim to cut out the use of foreign oil and gas within less than eight years as ministers consider restarting fracking as part of the push to abandon Russian energy.

Boris Johnson is planning to announce his strategy for national energy independence next week which will see a push for more North Sea oil, new nuclear power and extra renewable energy.

Omelets and eggs and all that.

[Ozyhibby]

What personal asset is bigger than it, not central bank ect

His own Steel company will be worth more than Chelsea.


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[Ozyhibby]

What side are people on climate on one side, lowering crippling gas prices and getting rid of the need for Russian oil on the other

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-could-bring-back-fracking-bid-end-reliance-foreign-energy-sources-1508228
Boris Johnson could bring back fracking in bid to end reliance on foreign energy sources
Boris Johnson is expected to announce more North Sea drilling, extra nuclear power and a greater use of renewable energy amid concerns over the cost of living

Britain could aim to cut out the use of foreign oil and gas within less than eight years as ministers consider restarting fracking as part of the push to abandon Russian energy.

Boris Johnson is planning to announce his strategy for national energy independence next week which will see a push for more North Sea oil, new nuclear power and extra renewable energy.

The cheapest source of energy right now is on shore wind. We need to end the ban on that.


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[lord bunberry]

https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1501849425643245571?t=1qFH9KWHfHt17ePgOYt6CA&s=19

Chelsea can still operate under a special licence but sale now on hold. Club will not be allowed to sell any more tickets - only season ticket holders can go to games for the foreseeable future.

Also: no merchandise sales allowed; no player transfers or new contracts; catering services will be permitted.
Does that mean there will be no away fans?

[Stairway 2 7]

His own Steel company will be worth more than Chelsea.


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Don't think it'll be seized, probably just send the steel to China who will be rubbing their hands just now

[James310]

His own Steel company will be worth more than Chelsea.


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Doubt it, if you mean Evraz then it's market cap is just over £1BN. He is the biggest shareholder but doesn't own it outright. Chelsea has been valued at up to £2BN to £3BN recently.

[CapitalGreen]

Doubt it, if you mean Evraz then it's market cap is just over £1BN. He is the biggest shareholder but doesn't own it outright. Chelsea has been valued at up to £2BN to £3BN recently.

That’s maybe how much he valued it at but he never found anyone willing to pay it.

[James310]

Does that mean there will be no away fans?

Not sure but I assume so as that is revenue for Chelsea.

What about UEFA games as well I was wondering and prize money from the Champions League etc.

[James310]

That’s maybe how much he valued it at but he never found anyone willing to pay it.

That was a Forbes valuation.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/chelsea/?sh=d5a250b3725e

[Stairway 2 7]

That’s maybe how much he valued it at but he never found anyone willing to pay it.

One bid in, supposed 2.5 billion counter bid going in

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/08/hansjorg-wyss-and-todd-boehly-submit-chelsea-bid-roman-abramovich-not-yet-convinced-to-sell

[lord bunberry]

Not sure but I assume so as that is revenue for Chelsea.

What about UEFA games as well I was wondering and prize money from the Champions League etc.
If they can’t sell tickets for champions league games they’ll have to let season ticket holders in for nothing. I’m presuming any money earned would come under sporting operations.

[Oscar T Grouch]

https://twitter.com/charles_lister/status/1501654584992968712?s=21

More balls of steel Ukrainians.[emoji102]


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I watched this last night a physically jumped when the first explosion went off near them! I would make a terrible bomb disposal soldier! Nerves of steel.

[James310]

One bid in, supposed 2.5 billion counter bid going in

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/08/hansjorg-wyss-and-todd-boehly-submit-chelsea-bid-roman-abramovich-not-yet-convinced-to-sell

Nick Candy supposedly bidding £2.5BN this week.

[JeMeSouviens]

"Ireland confirms Priti Patel raised concerns about ‘backdoor’ to UK for Ukrainian refugees"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukraine-russia-ireland-patel-refugees-b2032329.html


They really are a special kind of horrible. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

Doubt it, if you mean Evraz then it's market cap is just over £1BN. He is the biggest shareholder but doesn't own it outright. Chelsea has been valued at up to £2BN to £3BN recently.

Abramovich estimated to be worth £15bn, no way is Chelsea his biggest asset. Apart from anything else it’s loss making so a bigger business must be funding those losses.


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[ballengeich]

"Ireland confirms Priti Patel raised concerns about ‘backdoor’ to UK for Ukrainian refugees"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukraine-russia-ireland-patel-refugees-b2032329.html


They really are a special kind of horrible. :rolleyes:
I wonder what her attitude to Ugandan Indians would have been when Idi Amin expelled them.

[Stairway 2 7]

Abramovich estimated to be worth £15bn, no way is Chelsea his biggest asset. Apart from anything else it’s loss making so a bigger business must be funding those losses.


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I said assets seized in Europe. His other assets will be in Russia

[Stairway 2 7]

Anti tanks 💪

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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Colonel Andrei Zakharov, commander of a #Russian tank regiment, was eliminated by the AFU in the Brovary district of #Kyiv region.

He received the Order of Courage from the hands of Vladimir Putin in 2016, #Ukrainian media reported

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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The US House passed a $13 billion Ukrainian aid bill

[500miles]

What side are people on climate on one side, lowering crippling gas prices and getting rid of the need for Russian oil on the other

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-could-bring-back-fracking-bid-end-reliance-foreign-energy-sources-1508228
Boris Johnson could bring back fracking in bid to end reliance on foreign energy sources
Boris Johnson is expected to announce more North Sea drilling, extra nuclear power and a greater use of renewable energy amid concerns over the cost of living

Britain could aim to cut out the use of foreign oil and gas within less than eight years as ministers consider restarting fracking as part of the push to abandon Russian energy.

Boris Johnson is planning to announce his strategy for national energy independence next week which will see a push for more North Sea oil, new nuclear power and extra renewable energy.

It should be an opportunity to put the boosters on renewable development.

I wonder how secure nuclear power can be made. Ukraine's seems to have survived direct shelling.

[CropleyWasGod]

Abramovich estimated to be worth £15bn, no way is Chelsea his biggest asset. Apart from anything else it’s loss making so a bigger business must be funding those losses.


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Apart from the most recent year, Chelsea has been profitable in recent years.

RA's exposure is a £1.5b loan. So add that to the asking price of the club, and that will give you an idea of the "worth" of his asset.

That all said, his stated aim was to take nothing out of the sale... which is why I find HMG's latest actions a bit meh. The only people who will suffer are those who might lose their jobs as a result of the reduction in income.

[Kato]

I wonder what her attitude to Ugandan Indians would have been when Idi Amin expelled them.Probably the same. Her family left Uganda years before Amin as economic migrants to this country, rather than political ones.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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The Japanese Air Force just sent a second C-2 plane with bulletproof vests and helmets to Ukraine.

The Japanese Ministry of Defense stated “we will continue to make every effort to assist Ukraine

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/tsybulskaliubov/status/1501862686396661764?s=21

Russians selling Crimean assets?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Apart from the most recent year, Chelsea has been profitable in recent years.

RA's exposure is a £1.5b loan. So add that to the asking price of the club, and that will give you an idea of the "worth" of his asset.

That all said, his stated aim was to take nothing out of the sale... which is why I find HMG's latest actions a bit meh. The only people who will suffer are those who might lose their jobs as a result of the reduction in income.

He wasn't going to take the profit so he's lost hundreds of millions. The profit was going to go to victims of war including Russians with however much siphoned of or lost probably

[CropleyWasGod]

He wasn't going to take the profit so he's lost hundreds of millions. The profit was going to go to victims of war including Russians with however much siphoned of or lost probably

So they lose out as well. :rolleyes:

RA also wrote off the £1.5b loan.

[Ozyhibby]

So they lose out as well. :rolleyes:

RA also wrote off the £1.5b loan.

The loan is still on Chelsea’s books?


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[grunt]

Here's the official Foreign Office tweet about sanctioning Lebedev.
Shame the man in the photo is not him, eh?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNfGL5wXMAQlOeW?format=png&name=900x900

[grunt]

From the Daily Mail no less, a list of what the refugees from Ukraine need to provide in order to obtain UK visa.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNeNYUFXwAIryQd?format=jpg&name=large

[CropleyWasGod]

The loan is still on Chelsea’s books?


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It's in their last accounts, if that's what you mean.

But he wrote it off earlier this month.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/02/chelsea-swiss-billionaire-hansjorg-wyss-says-offered-chance-buy-club-roman-abramovich

[Jack]

There goes your 3 billion Roman

Steven Swinford
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BREAKING

Roman Abramovich has been sanctioned by the Government and his asserts - including Chelsea Football Club - have been frozen

Chelsea have been given a special licence to continue with football related activities but the sale effectively bars the sale of the club

Abramovich is one of seven high-profile oligarchs who have been sanctioned by the government

The others include Oleg Deripaska, the owner of the EN+ Group, and Igor Sechin, the chairman of Rosneft

Sanctioning Chelsea Football Club effectively places it in limbo

A special licence from the Treasury means that 'football-related activities' such as tonights game against Norwich can go ahead

But Abramovich cannot sell the club

The Government would need to give special dispensation for the sale of Chelsea, and no money could go to Abramovich either directly or indirectly

'He [Abramovich] will not get a penny from the sale of the club'

Likely to be a protracted process


Guy Elster
@guyelster
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#BREAKING UK it had imposed asset freezes on Russian businessmen Roman Abramovich, Igor Sechin, Oleg Deripaska and Dmitri Lebedev

Seize the club and change the club colours to those of Ukraine 🇺🇦 👌

[cabbageandribs1875]

a former NASA Astronaut and the Russian space station Chief have been having a wee spat, Russian dude has been a bit huffy puffy :greengrin

A former Nasa astronaut and the Russian space chief just had a Twitter fight (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/a-former-nasa-astronaut-and-the-russian-space-chief-just-had-a-twitter-fight/ar-AAUQoKP?ocid=msedgntp)

Former Nasa astronaut Scott Kelly and the head of Russia (https://metro.co.uk/tag/russia/?ico=auto_link_news_P1_LNK1)’s space agency Roscosmos just got into a heated spat on Twitter.

[Ozyhibby]

It's in their last accounts, if that's what you mean.

But he wrote it off earlier this month.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/02/chelsea-swiss-billionaire-hansjorg-wyss-says-offered-chance-buy-club-roman-abramovich

Has it been confirmed that is now complete? If the paperwork isn’t done yet then it won’t be getting done.
As the assets have been frozen and not seized, do the need Abramoviches permission to sell? If so, I can’t see this being a quick process and I think it will take Chelsea going into admin in order for a sale to go through?


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[CropleyWasGod]

Has it been confirmed that is now complete? If the paperwork isn’t done yet then it won’t be getting done.
As the assets have been frozen and not seized, do the need Abramoviches permission to sell? If so, I can’t see this being a quick process and I think it will take Chelsea going into admin in order for a sale to go through?


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Aiui, the freezing of his assets means that the sale can't take place.

However, I read somewhere that it will be allowed. If that's the case, then I can see it being quite quick. Presumably, any proceeds would remain frozen.

EDIT. BBC say that the sale might be allowed if RA can prove he won't benefit personally.

[Killiehibbie]

From the Daily Mail no less, a list of what the refugees from Ukraine need to provide in order to obtain UK visa.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNeNYUFXwAIryQd?format=jpg&name=large

All this documentation to be collected just before your house is bombed. I'm sure the majority looked up the requirements before running out the door.

[Col2]

From the Daily Mail no less, a list of what the refugees from Ukraine need to provide in order to obtain UK visa.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNeNYUFXwAIryQd?format=jpg&name=large

After the outrage across the country people will stop getting angry about this and move on. It’s a national disgrace that we cannot help these people more and while some thought this was all home office incompetence it is clear this is a deliberate policy that the silent millions in England who voted for brexit (based on “keeping those foreigners out”) will be delighted with or at best not change who they vote for.

[Jones28]

From the Daily Mail no less, a list of what the refugees from Ukraine need to provide in order to obtain UK visa.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNeNYUFXwAIryQd?format=jpg&name=large


But the UK Government is doing all they can :blah:


They opened a drop in Visa centre in Lille, but haven't disclosed the location for some ****ing reason.

Anyway, I hope all these Ukranians packed their kids, pets, a few days of supplies and water and their bankers box before they fled a country being bombed in to oblivion.

[stokesmessiah]

Dmitri Lebedev Sanctioned by the US in 2016.
Igor Sechin Sanctioned by the US in 2014.
Oleg Deripaska Sanctioned by the US in 2018.

We're just slowly catching up.

Aye, but it’s world leading catching up….

[Ozyhibby]

Aiui, the freezing of his assets means that the sale can't take place.

However, I read somewhere that it will be allowed. If that's the case, then I can see it being quite quick. Presumably, any proceeds would remain frozen.

EDIT. BBC say that the sale might be allowed if RA can prove he won't benefit personally.

And if RA approves the sale. He might become a bit unco-operative now.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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For the first time in history, Russia is now Europe’s poorest country.

The latest statistics show that the average salary brutto has fallen to USD 436, well below Moldova (USD 491) and Ukraine (485 USD).

Putin has wiped out 20 years of economic growth in terms of GDP in 2 weeks

[CropleyWasGod]

And if RA approves the sale. He might become a bit unco-operative now.


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Not sure why he would TBH. There's no essential difference between what he planned to do, and what he can do now.

[Stairway 2 7]

Not sure that he would TBH. There's no essential difference between what he planned to do, and what he can do now.

The government will decide where the money goes rather than putins puppet

[CropleyWasGod]

The government will decide where the money goes rather than putins puppet

Not sure they have that power TBH. They can freeze the sale proceeds, but for now they can't determine where they go. If they seized it, that would be a different thing.

"Where it goes" might be a factor in whether or not the sale is allowed to go ahead, of course.eg free ST for life for Michael Gove 😆

[Killiehibbie]

Not sure they have that power TBH. They can freeze the sale proceeds, but for now they can't determine where they go. If they seized it, that would be a different thing.

"Where it goes" might be a factor in whether or not the sale is allowed to go ahead, of course.eg free ST for life for Michael Gove 😆
Somebody needs to explain the difference between freezing and seizing to the Mayor of London. Twice I've heard him say assets have been seized.

[Sir David Gray]

If they can’t sell tickets for champions league games they’ll have to let season ticket holders in for nothing. I’m presuming any money earned would come under sporting operations.

They are at home at the weekend and I would imagine that most, if not all, tickets will already be sold for that one.

They're not at home again until 2nd April and I would expect something to be sorted by then.

[Stairway 2 7]

Not sure they have that power TBH. They can freeze the sale proceeds, but for now they can't determine where they go. If they seized it, that would be a different thing.

"Where it goes" might be a factor in whether or not the sale is allowed to go ahead, of course.eg free ST for life for Michael Gove 😆

Yes he's only allowed to sell if no profits go tho him and government agree. Its better than him taking back the money he spent on buying Chelsea, plus I wouldn't trust him and his boss with the money especially now.

On his houses

Hugo Gye
@HugoGye
UK homes belonging to Abramovich and Deripaska won't be seized by the govt (would be illegal). But... the owners can't enter *any* transaction related to the properties: no builders, no cleaners, no security, no gardeners, no electricity, no water bill

Our laws on sanctions don't give the government the right to seize the assets of sanctioned individuals/companies. And obviously (thankfully) the government doesn't have the power to seize anyone's assets unless there is a law spefically authorising it

[CropleyWasGod]

Yes he's only allowed to sell if no profits go tho him and government agree. Its better than him taking back the money he spent on buying Chelsea, plus I wouldn't trust him and his boss with the money especially now.

On his houses

Hugo Gye
@HugoGye
UK homes belonging to Abramovich and Deripaska won't be seized by the govt (would be illegal). But... the owners can't enter *any* transaction related to the properties: no builders, no cleaners, no security, no gardeners, no electricity, no water bill

Our laws on sanctions don't give the government the right to seize the assets of sanctioned individuals/companies. And obviously (thankfully) the government doesn't have the power to seize anyone's assets unless there is a law spefically authorising it

Didn't know that about the law on seizing assets. I share your thoughts on "thankfully " 😄

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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Advisor to the Office of the President Kirill Timoshenko reports that 44 evacuation buses have left #Izyum

In them there are about 2 thousand people who will be taken to #Dnipro

Also humanitarian aid was delivered to the city

[Stairway 2 7]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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Russia’s Defence Ministry has accused Georgia of hosting bio-labs working on a project in which bats are to be turned into carriers of biological weapons.

Russia claims that Georgia is working on the project together with the U.S. and Ukraine

[Stairway 2 7]

Robin Brooks
@RobinBrooksIIF
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We forecast annual average growth in 2022 of -15% for Russia. This growth rate compares the average level of GDP in 2022 to that in 2021, so the implied GDP drop is far deeper at near 30% . Russia's GDP goes back to early 2000 levels. Two decades of growth go up in smoke.

[grunt]

Our laws on sanctions don't give the government the right to seize the assets of sanctioned individuals/companies. And obviously (thankfully) the government doesn't have the power to seize anyone's assets unless there is a law spefically authorising it
Well there's this ...

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9098/


Unexplained Wealth Orders allow for the confiscation of property without proving criminality, by reversing the burden of proof. How do they work and have they been a success?

[JimBHibees]

From the Daily Mail no less, a list of what the refugees from Ukraine need to provide in order to obtain UK visa.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNeNYUFXwAIryQd?format=jpg&name=large

Seems fair enough :rolleyes: Disgusting