Ukraine

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@lersoe
Boris Johnson has urged Zelensky, Ukraine's president, to avoid making cheap concessions in peace talks while his troops are launching successful counter-attacks against Russian-held positions

The Prime Minister believes Kyiv should continue to make military gains before reaching a settlement with the Kremlin to ensure it is in the strongest possible position. A Government source told The Times: "Some of our allies may be too eager for him to settle

"We think Ukraine needs to be in the strongest position militarily before those talks can take place."

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Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦
@IAPonomarenko
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Unbelievable.
Two full-fledged axes of attack just collapsed and were abandoned within 1 or 2 days. They just left having achieved nothing.
We expected Russians to get entrenched to prevent Ukraine from reinforcing Donbas, but leaving completely, en masse… unbelievable

[Jack]

@lersoe
Boris Johnson has urged Zelensky, Ukraine's president, to avoid making cheap concessions in peace talks while his troops are launching successful counter-attacks against Russian-held positions

The Prime Minister believes Kyiv should continue to make military gains before reaching a settlement with the Kremlin to ensure it is in the strongest possible position. A Government source told The Times: "Some of our allies may be too eager for him to settle

"We think Ukraine needs to be in the strongest position militarily before those talks can take place."

What a two faced *******.

After all the money, holidays and benefits in kind the torys have taken from the Russians and even 'elevated' one of them into one the highest political positions in the country the Liar in Chief quite happily stabs them in the back when the crowd sways the other way.

Typical torys. Say one thing, do the opposite.

[lapsedhibee]

What a two faced *******.

After all the money, holidays and benefits in kind the torys have taken from the Russians and even 'elevated' one of them into one the highest political positions in the country the Liar in Chief quite happily stabs them in the back when the crowd sways the other way.

Typical torys. Say one thing, do the opposite.

Lord Heseltine has told Good Morning Britain that Boris Johnson is a politician who “waits to see the way the crowd is running and then dashes in front”.

He said: “Well, I think that you have to see Boris as a career map. He works it out, he decides which way the wind is blowing, and that wonderful phrase about a politician - a man who waits to see the way the crowd is running and then dashes in front and says, ‘Follow me’.”

[Ozyhibby]

@lersoe
Boris Johnson has urged Zelensky, Ukraine's president, to avoid making cheap concessions in peace talks while his troops are launching successful counter-attacks against Russian-held positions

The Prime Minister believes Kyiv should continue to make military gains before reaching a settlement with the Kremlin to ensure it is in the strongest possible position. A Government source told The Times: "Some of our allies may be too eager for him to settle

"We think Ukraine needs to be in the strongest position militarily before those talks can take place."

I’m happy to hammer Johnson for being a total **** but I’m happy also to say he is getting this right. We need to arm the Ukrainians to the teeth and to be fair we appear to be doing this.


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[Jones28]

Can we try and keep this on the rather important topic it’s based on? There’s another thread discussing energy, take it over there.

[Stairway 2 7]

I’m happy to hammer Johnson for being a total **** but I’m happy also to say he is getting this right. We need to arm the Ukrainians to the teeth and to be fair we appear to be doing this.


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Indeed. The government due to cuts will put 400,000 more Britain's into poverty this year, that is enough to get the bs out. Vote Labour down south and independence up here. But they have been Ukraines best military partner in the last 8 years.

The US and UK were the only army training the Ukraine army on defense tactics. We trained hundreds of snipers and hundreds on using nlaws. We gave them almost 4000 nlaws pre war, had to fly around Holland and Germany airspace doing so in January because they didn't want to be involved in it. The nlaws changed the war more than many things.

Our refugees number although bigger is terrible. But that is because the tories set up a system that is anti refugee and they got trapped in it.

On a separate point I read something that agreed with what you said. It seems Zelensky is getting pushed to accept a deal but doesn't want to whilst winning. That's why he's said he wants a referendum on any consentions, so he can't be pushed

[Aldo]

Just watched 6 planes flying in formation I assume up to Leuchars. Never seen that before.

If you are not aware Leuchars is no longer an Air Base!


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[I'm_cabbaged]

If you are not aware Leuchars is no longer an Air Base!


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Saw vapor trails of a formation of 4 planes flying in formation east over the coast the other day, must have been military. Couldn’t see the planes they were that high.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's bizarre how fast Russia has retreated East and west of Kyiv. Wisdom would say they would either bunker down and tie up lots of Ukrainian forces, or use air support to stop the quick advance. They are either short of men or airpower.

Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
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9m
🚩One thing I find particularly notable: There are reports that Ukrainian forces pushed northeast of Ivankiv, and are now around 20km southwest of Chernobyl (I am still trying to confirm with visual evidence

This means that Ukrainian forces may soon reach the Belarus border, raising the question of whether #Russia will push back, and whether some Russian units aren't going to be cut off - hard to know if there still are Russian units on this axis
What's clear: The whole front northwest of #Kyiv is about to collapse as a result of a mix of Russian withdrawal/rout + Ukrainian counter-offensives that may have gone even faster than anticipated

The front east of #Kyiv is in no better shape as Ukrainian forces have continued to clear the area near Brovary (unclear if there were still Russian units there) and pushed past Novyi Bykiv

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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BREAKING:

The Telegraph reports that one Russian soldier has died from radiation poisoning after his unit dug trenches in the most radioactive part of the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, the so-called “Red Forest”.

Multiple other soldiers have allegedly also started feeling unwell

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Guy Elster
@guyelster
#RussiaUkraineWar, day 38
-US and its allies to transfer Soviet-made tanks to Ukraine to bolster its defences in the Donbas: NYT
-Zelenskiy: Russians are mining homes and corpses as they withdraw

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The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
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⚡️The Times: Ukraine's military shoot down Russian helicopter with UK Starstreak.

According to the Times’ sources, Starstreak, Britain’s most advanced portable missile system provided to Ukraine a week ago, was filmed “cutting the aircraft in two over the Luhansk region

[WhileTheChief..]

Guy Elster
@guyelster
#RussiaUkraineWar, day 38
-US and its allies to transfer Soviet-made tanks to Ukraine to bolster its defences in the Donbas: NYT
-Zelenskiy: Russians are mining homes and corpses as they withdraw

Somehow they find new lows.

It's hard to have any sympathy for Russian casualties when things like this are going on.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1510204963477151745?s=21&t=G8wIyULktRlP8tmXVLMoow

Ukrainian flag flying at Chernobyl once again.[emoji106]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1497102095614287873?s=21&t=G8wIyULktRlP8tmXVLMoow

Ukraine hit an airfield in Russia last night.
Sorry, 25th Feb.

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[LewysGot2]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1510204963477151745?s=21&t=G8wIyULktRlP8tmXVLMoow

Ukrainian flag flying at Chernobyl once again.[emoji106]


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This definitely isn't going the way Putin would have thought...

100,000 new conscriptions yesterday in Russia. You have to wonder what they have been told why this is happening

[lapsedhibee]

This definitely isn't going the way Putin would have thought...

100,000 new conscriptions yesterday in Russia. You have to wonder what they have been told why this is happening

Oil facility inside Russian border being damaged = the start of a NATO invasion? :dunno:

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1510204963477151745?s=21&t=G8wIyULktRlP8tmXVLMoow

Ukrainian flag flying at Chernobyl once again.[emoji106]


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Reassuring

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Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2

Russian Ambassador to Britain Andrei Kelin says Russia will target high-precision weaponry moving from Britain to Ukraine

Most likely an empty threat, as Russia has not intercepted Western arms shipments to Ukraine, but it could lead to more Russian strikes in the Lviv area


Jamie Stickman
@JamieStickman

They've lost more than 1 helicopter to starstreak.... Since UA announced starstreak arrived on the battlefield the RU air asset losses have increased daily

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Bakhti Nishanov
@b_nishanov
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“Russia wants us to support them but we don’t recognize Crimea, or Donbas. Yes, we are in a union with Russia but it doesn’t apply to this situation. We won’t help Russia avoid US and EU sanctions.” - Deputy chair of the presidential administration in Kazakhstan. This is huge

This is incredibly strong, unequivocal and importantly, directly from the presidential administration. Kazakhstan is truly blazing a new trail here.

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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Zelensky's economic adviser Oleg Ustenko said that according to Ukrainian authorities Kyiv's losses from hostilities amounted to 1 trillion dollars.

According to him Ukrainian authorities expect to receive $400 billion from the frozen Russian assets into the reconstruction fund

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/walterlekh/status/1510309004722978822?s=21&t=vih2WKcMl4-LaOodtsWFBw

Hostomel airport back in Ukrainian hands.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/ipster_fi/status/1510314367602073603?s=21&t=vih2WKcMl4-LaOodtsWFBw

Russian tanks destroyed outside Kyiv.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The pictures are too brutal to put up

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
BREAKING:

The Mayor of Bucha, Anatoly Fedoruk, has told AFP that 280 people have been buried after the Ukrainian Army found the city’s streets full of bodies after retaking it.

Many are civilian and some had their hands tied behind their backs.

These are Russian war crimes

Source AFP

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Almost all its gas was previously from Russia

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
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⚡️ Lithuania becomes first EU country to ban Russian gas.

Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda said that starting in April, the country will not import Russian gas.

He added that other European countries should follow the Lithuanian example

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Shashank Joshi
@shashj
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Big news. “The Biden admin will work with allies to transfer Soviet-made tanks to bolster Ukrainian defenses in the country’s eastern Donbas region, a U.S. official said on Friday…It marks the first time in the war that the US has helped transfer tanks

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1510337503030611971

Trent Telenko
@TrentTelenko
This is a nice thread showing what a game changer the British Starstreak MANPADS is in Ukraine.

You cannot even see the three Starstreak 'kill darts' that chopped this Russian attack chopper in half

.and it's shear mach 3 speed means it can occupy "Keyhole positions" which are safe for a helicopter to motor through at low level versus a Stinger heat seeker

A Stinger simply cannot get to that Mi-28 in time to avoid guiding itself into those trees

Starstreak could & did

This is performance advantage is why I labeled Starstreak a low altitude air defense game changer

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Osint have been validating and geolocating a massive amount of war crimes around Kyiv. Once again I won't put them up but they are everywhere on twitter. Brutal and barbaric poor people


OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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6m
The pictures I am seeing from the suburbs of Kyiv are horrifying. It seems that a massive number of civilians were killed

Ragıp Soylu
@ragipsoylu
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Ukrainian defense ministry says dead civilians were found near the highway 20 km from Kyiv.

"Under a blanket of 4-5 dead naked women whom the Russian barbarians tried to burn on the side of the road

RoINTEL
@RoINTEL
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#Motyzhin, #Kyiv Oblast, four dead bodies buried with their hands tied at their back have been discovered after the #Russian forces have left. Shocking images are coming out of all areas around Kyiv

Walter Lekh🇺🇦
@walterlekh
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Russians executed every male civilian, aged 16-60 years in #Bucha city, #Ukraine before fleeing north from advancing Ukrainian army

Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
This picture is from Motyzhin. Some of the civilians found there also have their hands tied. More evidence of mass executions.

The Mayor of the village was also found dead, alongside his wife. He had been missing over the past 10 days

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max seddon
@maxseddon
Financial times

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Good lord. In Bucha, one of the towns near Kyiv that Russia recently withdrew from, Ukrainian forces found a mass grave with nearly 300 people in it and dozens of civilians lying dead in the streets.

Pure horror.

This will undoubtedly strengthen calls for more western sanctions against Russia.

And it’s a bad sign for peace talks – Zelensky is going to have to sell a deal to Ukrainian society, and these horrific scenes will harden people against any perceived concessions

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Simon Schama
@simon_schama
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Hardened as we are by Russian atrocities, reports coming in from liberated towns around Kyiv document acts of horrifying, inhuman cruelty and evil, coaches of children used as human shields; corpses left on streets of civilians with hands tied behind back, many shot in head

[Ozyhibby]

max seddon
@maxseddon
Financial times

6m
Good lord. In Bucha, one of the towns near Kyiv that Russia recently withdrew from, Ukrainian forces found a mass grave with nearly 300 people in it and dozens of civilians lying dead in the streets.

Pure horror.

This will undoubtedly strengthen calls for more western sanctions against Russia.

And it’s a bad sign for peace talks – Zelensky is going to have to sell a deal to Ukrainian society, and these horrific scenes will harden people against any perceived concessions

The Ukrainians won’t be interested in any peace deal that involves giving up territory. And these horror stories should ensure that military aid keeps flowing and sanctions tighten. The Ukrainians will keep fighting now until they win.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The Ukrainians won’t be interested in any peace deal that involves giving up territory. And these horror stories should ensure that military aid keeps flowing and sanctions tighten. The Ukrainians will keep fighting now until they win.


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Iuliia Mendel
@IuliiaMendel
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Zelenskyy completely rules out giving up territory for a peace deal - Fox News interview

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Pictures are horrifying

@IntelCrab
The situation in/around #Bucha is hard to put into words. Some of the worst photos/videos I've seen since the war started

Seems every war-aged male was executed. Easily 500+ fatalities. Would not be surprised to see a final figure much higher than that, even.

Just saw a new video. The density of civilians corpses lying in the road is so high that vehicles have to continually swerve in order to avoid running them over.

Hard to watch. Even for the long desensitized

The Biden administration should immediately sever diplomatic ties with Russia

Attempting to collect some of these photos/videos to both geolocate and conduct preliminary fatality estimation. Unconfirmed reports of mass graves makes this an almost impossible task, as of now.

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@maxseddon
Truly horrific and really has to be seen

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089


Defence of Ukraine
@DefenceU

Ukraine government organization
New Srebrenica. The Ukrainian city of Bucha was in the hands of 🇷🇺 animals for several weeks. *Local civillians were being executed arbitrarily*, some with hands tied behind their backs, their bodies scattered in the streets of the city.

#RussianWarCrimes

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bodies-of-mutilated-children-among-horrors-the-russians-left-behind-5ddnkkwp2

saturday april 2 2022
Bodies of mutilated children among horrors the Russians left behind
new

Maria Dabizhe, 80. Her neighbours were found dead, tied head and foot
Maria Dabizhe, 80. Her neighbours were found dead, tied head and foot
JOHN BECK FOR THE SUNDAY TIMES

Deep in the forest outside Kyiv, where the mushroom-pickers used to roam and rich city folk built their palatial dachas, Maria Dabizhe, 80, sat sifting through discarded Russian ration packs.

The enemy soldiers had arrived a few days into the war. “They came to my house. I asked them what they were doing there,” she said, as artillery boomed in the distance. “They told me, ‘We’re just trying to do our job’.

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olexander scherba🇺🇦
@olex_scherba
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Yesterday was a good day - #Russia was chased away from #Kyiv oblast. Today is a bad day: we saw what it left behind.

As someone who speaks 🇷🇺 as one of my mother tongues & who likes 🇷🇺 culture, I’m literally speechless. Forget Tolstoy & Tchaikovsky. Russia means barbarism now

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Yaroslav Trofimov
@yarotrof
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Bucha is looking like the new Srebrenica, and the last time we have seen such atrocities was in towns liberated from ISIS. Bucha is a tiny place — 280 people currently found in mass graves are 1% of the entire prewar population. twitter.com/afp/status/151…

[makaveli1875]

These reports are ****ing grotesque , how long can the world allow this to continue . It’s a pre meditated massacre of civilians , women and children .
Biden really needs to come on and say to Putin this stops now or we’re coming for you and your war criminal soldiers will have nowhere to hide . You want to talk nukes , we got those too you little ****

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From human rights watch and bellingcat

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

Christo Grozev
@christogrozev
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16m
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@hrw
is interviewing witnesses and documenting clear, indisputable cases of war crimes committed by the Russian army. These include summary executions of civilians, incl. at-gun-point killing women and children, system rapes, looting of civilian property

Because of the systemic nature of these crimes, future war crime investigations will undoubtedly indict the soldiers' commanders and very likely the commander in chief. See Milosevic's 66 counts of war crimes & crimes against humanity

[Betty Boop]

From human rights watch and bellingcat

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

Christo Grozev
@christogrozev
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16m
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@hrw
is interviewing witnesses and documenting clear, indisputable cases of war crimes committed by the Russian army. These include summary executions of civilians, incl. at-gun-point killing women and children, system rapes, looting of civilian property

Because of the systemic nature of these crimes, future war crime investigations will undoubtedly indict the soldiers' commanders and very likely the commander in chief. See Milosevic's 66 counts of war crimes & crimes against humanity

No mention of the Yanks war crimes in Fallujah ?
The Rape of Fallujah: American War Crime (internationalist.org) (http://www.internationalist.org/fallujarape0412.html)

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No mention of the Yanks war crimes in Fallujah ?
The Rape of Fallujah: American War Crime (internationalist.org) (http://www.internationalist.org/fallujarape0412.html)

That's ridiculous. Bellingcat and human rights watch have been documenting all war crimes including, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Palestine. I don't know how you can see reports of rape and murder of children and first thing you say is well what about that time.

[Jones28]

****ing hell. What the Russians are leaving behind is horrifying.

I remain convinced NATO should have intervened at the outset of the war and this is further evidence.

[Jones28]

No mention of the Yanks war crimes in Fallujah ?
The Rape of Fallujah: American War Crime (internationalist.org) (http://www.internationalist.org/fallujarape0412.html)

Really? Whataboutery? Now?


Pathetic.

[Oscar T Grouch]

No mention of the Yanks war crimes in Fallujah ?
The Rape of Fallujah: American War Crime (internationalist.org) (http://www.internationalist.org/fallujarape0412.html)

Really? Whataboutery now? Smfh

Never seen the post above saying exactly what I said but it’s worth saying twice.

[Mike Berry]

Monty Python? You youngsters don't know you're born. We had Arthur Askey and Benny Hill.And peter glaze.

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[Smartie]

The images of what has been left behind in the greater Kiev area have been ghastly. We don’t even know yet what has gone on in the South and East.

It’s really hard to see how any sort of meaningful peace will exist in that part of the world for the next half century. This war is a catastrophe on so many levels, with so many losers.

I’m a proper pacifist at heart but tbh that is changing rapidly in response to what we’re seeing. This isn’t an evil that you appease yourself away from. Nukes or no nukes, I don’t think anybody on the side of civilised society should be walking away from the murder of civilians with their hands tied, and I think every single one of us needs to have a word with ourselves regarding what we might be prepared to sacrifice in order to tackle Russia (thinking mainly about the situation whereby there is still so much gas and money changing hands between Russia and Europe, leading to the continued financing of this disgusting conflict.)

[Stairway 2 7]

The images of what has been left behind in the greater Kiev area have been ghastly. We don’t even know yet what has gone on in the South and East.

It’s really hard to see how any sort of meaningful peace will exist in that part of the world for the next half century. This war is a catastrophe on so many levels, with so many losers.

I’m a proper pacifist at heart but tbh that is changing rapidly in response to what we’re seeing. This isn’t an evil that you appease yourself away from. Nukes or no nukes, I don’t think anybody on the side of civilised society should be walking away from the murder of civilians with their hands tied, and I think every single one of us needs to have a word with ourselves regarding what we might be prepared to sacrifice in order to tackle Russia (thinking mainly about the situation whereby there is still so much gas and money changing hands between Russia and Europe, leading to the continued financing of this disgusting conflict.)

Pretty much where I am, including generally being pacifist. I marched against Iraq, but we can't sit back and let this happen to people. Also I was thinking about this affecting the talks this month. But I think you're right, this will be in people's memories for decades. Things have changed for the worse, sadly its the same brutal playbook from Syria. Gutted

[Hibrandenburg]

The images of what has been left behind in the greater Kiev area have been ghastly. We don’t even know yet what has gone on in the South and East.

It’s really hard to see how any sort of meaningful peace will exist in that part of the world for the next half century. This war is a catastrophe on so many levels, with so many losers.

I’m a proper pacifist at heart but tbh that is changing rapidly in response to what we’re seeing. This isn’t an evil that you appease yourself away from. Nukes or no nukes, I don’t think anybody on the side of civilised society should be walking away from the murder of civilians with their hands tied, and I think every single one of us needs to have a word with ourselves regarding what we might be prepared to sacrifice in order to tackle Russia (thinking mainly about the situation whereby there is still so much gas and money changing hands between Russia and Europe, leading to the continued financing of this disgusting conflict.)With the Russian army on the retreat and western journalists now getting access to areas that have been occupied, the pictures that are now emerging are utterly diabolical and reminiscent of events last seen in Europe towards the end of the first half of the last century.

Let there be no mistake, the blame for these atrocities lies firmly at the feet of Vladimir Putin and those who facilitated him. The liberation of Ukraine is only the beginning of what now needs to be done, sanctions and embargoes need to continue until the Russian people decide to deliver these monsters to an international war crimes tribunal.

We need to stop the whataboutery of blaming countries that tried to bring Russia into the international fold by trading with them and start putting the blame solely there where it lies, with Vladimir Putin.



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[Ozyhibby]

The images of what has been left behind in the greater Kiev area have been ghastly. We don’t even know yet what has gone on in the South and East.

It’s really hard to see how any sort of meaningful peace will exist in that part of the world for the next half century. This war is a catastrophe on so many levels, with so many losers.

I’m a proper pacifist at heart but tbh that is changing rapidly in response to what we’re seeing. This isn’t an evil that you appease yourself away from. Nukes or no nukes, I don’t think anybody on the side of civilised society should be walking away from the murder of civilians with their hands tied, and I think every single one of us needs to have a word with ourselves regarding what we might be prepared to sacrifice in order to tackle Russia (thinking mainly about the situation whereby there is still so much gas and money changing hands between Russia and Europe, leading to the continued financing of this disgusting conflict.)

The only way any sort of meaningful peace happens is if Ukraine deal a massive military defeat to the Russians. For that to happen they need huge military support from the west and we need to get way more serious with the sanctions including oil and gas. There needs to be a complete cessation of trade with Russia. And we need to stop messing about and supply the Ukrainians with the weaponry they need to win. That includes tanks and aircraft.


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[Ozyhibby]

Pretty much where I am, including generally being pacifist. I marched against Iraq, but we can't sit back and let this happen to people. Also I was thinking about this affecting the talks this month. But I think you're right, this will be in people's memories for decades. Things have changed for the worse, sadly its the same brutal playbook from Syria. Gutted

The talks are a sham. Neither side wants peace just now. They just don’t want to be seen as not trying. Ukrainians won’t stop now until they have pushed the Russians all the way back to Russia. And that include Crimea. And the population is 100% behind that.


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[Stairway 2 7]

With the Russian army on the retreat and western journalists now getting access to areas that have been occupied, the pictures that are now emerging are utterly diabolical and reminiscent of events last seen in Europe towards the end of the first half of the last century.

Let there be no mistake, the blame for these atrocities lies firmly at the feet of Vladimir Putin and those who facilitated him. The liberation of Ukraine is only the beginning of what now needs to be done, sanctions and embargoes need to continue until the Russian people decide to deliver these monsters to an international war crimes tribunal.

We need to stop the whataboutery of blaming countries that tried to bring Russia into the international fold by trading with them and start putting the blame solely there where it lies, with Vladimir Putin.



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Agreed. We can blame all the European and British governments for placating and being money focused towards Putin. 99.9% of the blame has to go to that evil man and his regime. Hopefully if any good can come from this systematic brutal acts, is that it will focus the rest of the world further

[Ozyhibby]

Agreed. We can blame all the European and British governments for placating and being money focused towards Putin. 99.9% of the blame has to go to that evil man and his regime. Hopefully if any good can come from this systematic brutal acts, is that it will focus the rest of the world further

We can all see it now though so if we don’t deal with it then the blame from now on will rest with us.
Right now, we are not doing all we can to help Ukraine. Nowhere near it.


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[Stairway 2 7]

We can all see it now though so if we don’t deal with it then the blame from now on will rest with us.
Right now, we are not doing all we can to help Ukraine. Nowhere near it.


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Definitely. There's literally no excuse now. Why should we push for peace deals. It's war crimes courts or nothing. The US is helping facilitate 56 tanks from Eastern to Ukraine, they say it will be days and not weeks. If they can send tanks why not jets. We all have to make as much sacrifice as we can bear, to stop all trade that is literally funding this brutality.

[s.a.m]

The images of what has been left behind in the greater Kiev area have been ghastly. We don’t even know yet what has gone on in the South and East.

It’s really hard to see how any sort of meaningful peace will exist in that part of the world for the next half century. This war is a catastrophe on so many levels, with so many losers.

I’m a proper pacifist at heart but tbh that is changing rapidly in response to what we’re seeing. This isn’t an evil that you appease yourself away from. Nukes or no nukes, I don’t think anybody on the side of civilised society should be walking away from the murder of civilians with their hands tied, and I think every single one of us needs to have a word with ourselves regarding what we might be prepared to sacrifice in order to tackle Russia (thinking mainly about the situation whereby there is still so much gas and money changing hands between Russia and Europe, leading to the continued financing of this disgusting conflict.)

That's where I am. It's a tragedy on top of an atrocity, and there's no clean or easy way out for us or for Ukraine.

[Ozyhibby]

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From today’s Mail on Sunday.


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[The Tubs]

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From today’s Mail on Sunday.


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Perfect article to make tory voters look the other way before the council elections.

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President of the European council says new EU sanctions “on their way


Charles Michel
@eucopresident
·
Shocked by haunting images of atrocities committed by Russian army in Kyiv liberated region #BuchaMassacre

EU is assisting #Ukraine & NGO’s in gathering of necessary evidence for pursuit in international courts.

Further EU sanctions & support are on their way.

Слава Україні!

[Kato]

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From today’s Mail on Sunday.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat'll be Boris Johnson then and every politician who has taken Russian donations (I mean wtf???) and the Conservative Party as an entity.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-60972186

Trouble in Pakistan on the way. Not unconnected.


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[A Hi-Bee]

Nuke the ruskys before they nuke us, never trust someone named Vlad.

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Christo Grozev
@christogrozev
·

Along with our colleagues from
@CITeam_en
are collecting evidence on who were responsible for the massacres. There's evidence that 76th and 98th airborne assault divisions, as well as Kadyrov's Rosgvardia units were located there. We are looking for more evidence now

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Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
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19m
More evidence that #Russia committed war crimes in Bucha, released by the Ukrainian military.

Dead civilians, lined up against the wall of a house, their hands tied, with bullet wounds to the head.

The worst was in the basement of the dacha.

‘We found 18 bodies in there,’ he said. ‘They had been torturing people. Some of them had their ears cut off. Others had teeth pulled out. There were kids like 14, 16 years old, some adults.’” twitter.com/louiseelisabet…

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Anonymous
@YourAnonNews
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Statement: Personal data of 120,000 Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine was leaked -
https://ddosecrets[.]com/wiki/Russian_soldier_leak
All soldiers participating in the invasion of Ukraine should be subjected to a war crime tribunal

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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The Battle of Kyiv has now been listed as a Ukrainian victory on Wikipedia.

Total disaster for Vladimir Putin and the Russian Army

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·
1h
Boris Johnson has told members of the Cabinet of Ministers that he wants to send #Ukraine anti-ship missiles to protect Odessa and other cities on the sea coast, the Sunday Times newspaper has reported, citing its sources

Dmytro Kuleba
@DmytroKuleba

Ukraine government official
· 4h
Bucha massacre was deliberate. Russians aim to eliminate as many Ukrainians as they can. We must stop them and kick them out. I demand new devastating G7 sanctions NOW:

-Oil, gas, coal embargo
-Close all ports to Russian vessels and goods
-Disconnect all Russian banks from SWIFT

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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1h
❗️The spokesman for the #Odessa military administration, Sergey Bratchuk, said that the strikes on the Odessa region were carried out from #Russian ships in the Black Sea

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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2h
The Mayor of Motyzhyn, Olha Sukhenko, was kidnapped by the Russians on March 23.

Her husband convinced them to let him come with her too.

Hours later, the Russians returned for their son.

The bodies of the family, brutally tortured, were found yesterday

Olha Sukhenko was targeted because she was a mayor.

Her body was found in a mass grave with 20 other Ukrainians, including her husband and son.

The head of a neighboring community in Kopyliv says her body showed clear signs of torture, including broken fingers and arms

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Nathan Ruser
@Nrg8000
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April 2nd satellite imagery of Kherson shows that the graves I've mentioned before (https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1498683814134136849) are still being dug. Since the beginning of this invasion, ~824 grave plots have been dug in Kherson Cemetery.
Given what we know about Bucha this is very concerning

[hibsbollah]

I’m a proper pacifist at heart but tbh that is changing rapidly in response to what we’re seeing)

…then you neee to be very careful not to lose that pacifism, until we have proper confirmation of some of these mass atrocities. The UN aren’t in there reporting, I see a lot of Ukrainian lawyers, agressive twittersphere activity that clearly passes for news these days, and one of the Klitschkos. How exactly, does Russia benefit by leaving bound and executed civilian bodies lying in the street, and what are the PR implications? It benefits no one. I’m afraid I am sceptical about propaganda, until I see impartial confirmation.

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…then you neee to be very careful not to lose that pacifism, until we have proper confirmation of some of these mass atrocities. The UN aren’t in there reporting, I see a lot of Ukrainian lawyers, agressive twittersphere activity that clearly passes for news these days, and one of the Klitschkos. How exactly, does Russia benefit by leaving bound and executed civilian bodies lying in the street, and what are the PR implications? It benefits no one. I’m afraid I am sceptical about propaganda, until I see impartial confirmation.

Jeez disappointed in this. Take a small effort and look. I'll put some up. These are from bbc, wsj, associated press and others. Bellingcat and many other osint groups have verified and geolocated. Unbelievable.

From human rights watch
Human Rights Watch has documented several cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations against civilians in occupied areas of the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv regions of Ukraine. These include a case of repeated rape; two cases of summary execution, one of six men, the other of one man; and other cases of unlawful violence and threats against civilians between February 27 and March 14, 2022. Soldiers were also implicated in looting civilian property, including food, clothing, and firewood. Those who carried out these abuses are responsible for war crimes.

“The cases we documented amount to unspeakable, deliberate cruelty and violence against Ukrainian civilians,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “Rape, murder, and other violent acts against people in the Russian forces’ custody should be investigated as war crimes.”

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This excellent BBC report of some of war crimes Jeremy bowen saw, this was before the worst came out

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60949791

[hibsbollah]

Jeez disappointed in this. Take a small effort and look. I'll put some up. These are from bbc, wsj, associated press and others. Bellingcat and many other osint groups have verified and geolocated. Unbelievable.

From human rights watch
Human Rights Watch has documented several cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations against civilians in occupied areas of the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv regions of Ukraine. These include a case of repeated rape; two cases of summary execution, one of six men, the other of one man; and other cases of unlawful violence and threats against civilians between February 27 and March 14, 2022. Soldiers were also implicated in looting civilian property, including food, clothing, and firewood. Those who carried out these abuses are responsible for war crimes.

“The cases we documented amount to unspeakable, deliberate cruelty and violence against Ukrainian civilians,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “Rape, murder, and other violent acts against people in the Russian forces’ custody should be investigated as war crimes.”

Read the last paragraph, ‘should be investigated’..

What exactly is ‘unbelievable’ and ‘disappointing’ about wanting some corroboration for claims of mass murder, a lot of which seems to be based on illogical behaviour? Why do YOU think those civilians were bound and lined up in the street? Serious question. Does it seem a sensible military tactic and who benefits from it?

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Photos from associated press of civilians with hands bound and executed

https://twitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1510646783013183489

Civilians shot in a basement
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1510620939796586503

Dw Germany women murdered
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1510576059984527361

Video of the streets littered with dead civilians
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089

A whole thread of atrocities geolocated from osint
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1510370008580476936

[Ozyhibby]

Read the last paragraph, ‘should be investigated’..

What exactly is ‘unbelievable’ and ‘disappointing’ about wanting some corroboration for claims of mass murder, a lot of which seems to be based on illogical behaviour? Why do YOU think those civilians were bound and lined up in the street? Serious question. Does it seem a sensible military tactic and who benefits from it?

They executed any men of military age because they didn’t want them coming after them in Donbas?


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[Lendo]

Read the last paragraph, ‘should be investigated’..

What exactly is ‘unbelievable’ and ‘disappointing’ about wanting some corroboration for claims of mass murder, a lot of which seems to be based on illogical behaviour? Why do YOU think those civilians were bound and lined up in the street? Serious question. Does it seem a sensible military tactic and who benefits from it?

They done the exactly same thing to men and boys in Afghanistan in the 80s. The main difference being that after they rounded up them up they ran over them in their tanks to save on bullets.

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Read the last paragraph, ‘should be investigated’..

What exactly is ‘unbelievable’ and ‘disappointing’ about wanting some corroboration for claims of mass murder, a lot of which seems to be based on illogical behaviour? Why do YOU think those civilians were bound and lined up in the street? Serious question. Does it seem a sensible military tactic and who benefits from it?

Who ****ing knows or cares why I don't have to understand murders and rapists. Look at the videos and pics then talk to me. It's from loads of reputable news agencies and osint teams. Even Macron, Scholz and the head of the EU commission has said today what the Russian did is disgusting. Its not a maybe its overwhelming

[Smartie]

…then you neee to be very careful not to lose that pacifism, until we have proper confirmation of some of these mass atrocities. The UN aren’t in there reporting, I see a lot of Ukrainian lawyers, agressive twittersphere activity that clearly passes for news these days, and one of the Klitschkos. How exactly, does Russia benefit by leaving bound and executed civilian bodies lying in the street, and what are the PR implications? It benefits no one. I’m afraid I am sceptical about propaganda, until I see impartial confirmation.

Whilst I accept that there is merit in what you say, it does give the Russians the sort of benefit of the doubt that they’ve ruthlessly exploited for too long.

I take it the troops massed on the border are still performing an exercise?

Sadly the execution of civilians and the razing of cities to the ground fits in with words spoken by Putin himself and echoed by reasonable numbers of the Russian population.

Dithering in the name of well intended pacifism will cause untold human suffering in this case, of that I am sure.

[stu in nottingham]

They executed any men of military age because they didn’t want them coming after them in Donbas?


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:agree:

In addition, they want to terrorise the Ukrainian public into submission?

They are so utterly scunnered with their own fate and treatment by their command that they are taking it out on innocent civilians? (They're not making that much of a mark on the Ukrainian military that's for sure)

They have become brutalised and desensitised by the war?

They have form for this behaviour? (not the only military to be fair).

They have become fatalistic and despondent about their own survival and futures and are acting accordingly, raping, pillaging, brutalising and taking an 'eye for an eye'?

I have no problem whatsoever in accepting these atrocities are happening. Hatred and evil grows in people's hearts for many reasons, not least their own propaganda.

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There is no ifs or buts mass war crimes were committed. All armies commit crimes but not systematic and as open as this.

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1510349657792303104

Pile of bodies half buried, one verified as the mayor

https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1510313214512410628

Three dead bodies of civilians one with hands bound. Geolocated already

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1510311348151861248

Picture of bodies littering another part of the town. Afp picture

[LeithMike]

Read the last paragraph, ‘should be investigated’..

What exactly is ‘unbelievable’ and ‘disappointing’ about wanting some corroboration for claims of mass murder, a lot of which seems to be based on illogical behaviour? Why do YOU think those civilians were bound and lined up in the street? Serious question. Does it seem a sensible military tactic and who benefits from it?War inevitably goes this way if it is fiercely fought and gets drawn out. The Russians wouldn't have been contemplating defeat and withdrawal which is maybe why they have been been badly exposed here before they've had a chance to clean up.

We really need to learn the lessons. The International Court of Justice should be strengthened to deal with territorial disputes and any cases for humanitarian intervention.

The suffering of Ukrainians is awful. Biden was absolutely right to say that Putin cannot stay in power. Its not about regime change but justice.

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Oryx
@oryxspioenkop
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#UkraineWar: The Russian Army is now visually confirmed to have lost at least 400 tanks since it began its invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022.

When including our backlog, the actual number of tanks visually confirmed to have been lost approaches 450.

Trent Telenko
@TrentTelenko
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This number is larger than the UK & French tank fleet's, combined

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Thomas C. Theiner
@noclador
In Rockensußra in Germany (at 51.268617, 10.689216) 100s of Marder infantry fighting vehicles are parked.

The German government is 𝘱𝘢𝘺𝘪𝘯𝘨 to have them dismantled. Ukraine offered to buy them.

Germany's
@Bundeskanzler
refused

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/plus237957311/Lambrecht-Liste-Bundesregierung-verweigert-der-Ukraine-die-Lieferung-von-Panzern-aus-Deutschland.html

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Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
#Ukraine's prosecutor general Irina Venediktova says on April 1-3, 410 bodies of civilians were recovered in the Kyiv region, as her office continues to document Russian war crimes.

[hibsbollah]

:agree:

In addition, they want to terrorise the Ukrainian public into submission?

They are so utterly scunnered with their own fate and treatment by their command that they are taking it out on innocent civilians? (They're not making that much of a mark on the Ukrainian military that's for sure)

They have become brutalised and desensitised by the war?

They have form for this behaviour? (not the only military to be fair).

They have become fatalistic and despondent about their own survival and futures and are acting accordingly, raping, pillaging, brutalising and taking an 'eye for an eye'?

I have no problem whatsoever in accepting these atrocities are happening. Hatred and evil grows in people's hearts for many reasons, not least their own propaganda.

It’s more the lining the bodies up and displaying the evidence that seemed peculiar. Terrorising the population is what the bombing does, this kind of almost pornographic display of bodies? That is designed to stimulate disgust.
I’ve read a bit about Syria and i haven’t seen that kind of behaviour described. I’m not saying it’s 100% not happening, I just don’t understand the rationale. It’s not enough just to say, ‘well they are monsters and the other side aren’t. And some of the Twitter stuff I’m reading and watching doesn’t ring true.

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Spot on

Darth Putin
@DarthPutinKGB
·

Turns out "never again" meant "unless it means we must have high heating bills".

#BuchaMassacre

Darth Putin
@DarthPutinKGB
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6h
How it works with events like #Bucha
1. It never happened.
2. They were all Nazis so deserved what didn't happen
3. They were crisis actors
4. What didn't happen to all the Nazis who deserved it/crisis actors who pretended was on the site of a biolab.
5. What about Iraq

Repeat

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/aviation_intel/status/1510667528325849093?s=21&t=CgnGxtQZoveTb8CmWsMX7g

Hard to disagree with this thread. We are not doing enough here to stop this.


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It’s more the lining the bodies up and displaying the evidence that seemed peculiar. Terrorising the population is what the bombing does, this kind of almost pornographic display of bodies? That is designed to stimulate disgust.
I’ve read a bit about Syria and i haven’t seen that kind of behaviour described. I’m not saying it’s 100% not happening, I just don’t understand the rationale. It’s not enough just to say, ‘well they are monsters and the other side aren’t. And some of the Twitter stuff I’m reading and watching doesn’t ring true.

There's literally verified pictures of dozens of bodies hands bound executed in civilian clothing, people riding bikes, naked women. Reporters from bbc, cnn, apf and DW have reporters verifying what they are seeing. Doesn't ring true. Watch the video of them driving through bucha bodies literally everywhere in the street. Unreal.

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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1510610029547819008


CNN
@CNN
"We can't become numb to this."

Secretary of State Antony Blinken responds to images of horror in Bucha outside Kyiv, Ukraine, where bodies of Ukrainian civilians littered the streets amid the destruction left by Russian forces

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https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

Article from human rights watch. Long article but horrifying

On March 6, Russian soldiers in the village of Vorzel, about 50 kilometers northwest of Kyiv, threw a smoke grenade into a basement, then shot a woman and a 14-year-old child as they emerged from the basement, where they had been sheltering. A man who was with her in the same basement when she died from her wounds two days later, and heard accounts of the incident from others, provided the information to Human Rights Watch. The child died immediately, he said.

A woman told Human Rights Watch that a Russian soldier had repeatedly raped her in a school in the Kharkiv region where she and her family had been sheltering on March 13. She said that he beat her and cut her face, neck, and hair with a knife. The next day the woman fled to Kharkiv, where she was able to get medical treatment and other services. Human Rights Watch reviewed two photographs, which the woman shared with Human Rights Watch, showing her facial injuries

On February 27, Russian forces rounded up six men in the village of Staryi Bykiv, in the Chernihiv region, and summarily executed them. Tetiana, from Novyi Bykiv, which faces Staryi Bykiv, just across the Supiy River, spoke with the relatives of four of the men who were killed

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1510686067564838915?s=21&t=CgnGxtQZoveTb8CmWsMX7g

Ukraine now has complete control of area around Kyiv.


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[makaveli1875]

It’s more the lining the bodies up and displaying the evidence that seemed peculiar. Terrorising the population is what the bombing does, this kind of almost pornographic display of bodies? That is designed to stimulate disgust.
I’ve read a bit about Syria and i haven’t seen that kind of behaviour described. I’m not saying it’s 100% not happening, I just don’t understand the rationale. It’s not enough just to say, ‘well they are monsters and the other side aren’t. And some of the Twitter stuff I’m reading and watching doesn’t ring true.

I might be wrong but I’m sure that town was hit by a surprise Ukrainian counter attack and the Russians had to make a quick escape so didn’t have time to incinerate all the evidence

[WhileTheChief..]

Spot on

Darth Putin
@DarthPutinKGB
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Turns out "never again" meant "unless it means we must have high heating bills".

#BuchaMassacre

Darth Putin
@DarthPutinKGB
·
6h
How it works with events like #Bucha
1. It never happened.
2. They were all Nazis so deserved what didn't happen
3. They were crisis actors
4. What didn't happen to all the Nazis who deserved it/crisis actors who pretended was on the site of a biolab.
5. What about Iraq

Repeat

:top marks

Some folk can't accept facts on the ground.

If ever a conflict was black and white, or good against evil, this is it.

[hibsbollah]

Some folk get uncomfortable when other folk don’t accept everything they read and watch on Twitter

Fixed that for you.

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Fixed that for you.

I'm sure I've never seen more overwhelming evidence in a war, geolocated multiple angles and photographers. If it's fake it's going to bring down all the major news agencies who are witnessing it. There must be over 100 great crisis actors who are great at standing still hands bound. Get a grip comrade

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https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-claims-kyiv-region-russians-202040527.html

AFP saw at least 20 bodies, all in civilian clothing, strewn across a single street.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken called the killings "a punch to the gut" while NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said the violence, unseen in Europe for decades, was "horrific" and "absolutely unacceptable

Britain, France, Germany, Italy and the European Union all called for those responsible to be brought to book at the international tribunal in The Hague

But Russia's defence ministry on Sunday said "not a single local resident" in Bucha suffered violence, accusing Ukraine of bombarding its southern suburbs

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@AFP
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#UPDATE Germany on Sunday condemned the killings of civilians in the Ukrainian town of Bucha as a "terrible war crime" and called for fresh EU sanctions against Russia

[hibsbollah]

I'm sure I've never seen more overwhelming evidence in a war, geolocated multiple angles and photographers. If it's fake it's going to bring down all the major news agencies who are witnessing it. There must be over 100 great crisis actors who are great at standing still hands bound. Get a grip comrade

You’re not paying attention to what I’m saying and seemingly getting irritated and a wee bit narky in your responses. It’s a bit pathetic you can’t accept credulity without getting an attitude. I would guess I’ve been a critic of Putin’s Russia for a lot longer than you have.

I’m not saying theses people weren’t murdered, obviously. I’m querying the stage managed nature of how they’ve been paraded and displayed and why Russian military would want that all over the worlds media. Waiting for a UN investigation before forming an opinion is apparently ‘unbelievable’ on my part though :rolleyes:

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/GuyReuters/status/1510696514850545670

[Ozyhibby]

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Germany needs to get a grip. They are about to spend a fortune dismantling these vehicles anyway.
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https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/dispatches-mass-grave-found-eastern-ukraine

Mass graves were found in eastern Ukraine in 2014. This isn't new

And hundreds in Chechnya
25746

[Smartie]

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Germany needs to get a grip. They are about to spend a fortune dismantling these vehicles anyway.
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Why do the Ukrainians want tanks? Has one of the things about this war not been that tanks have been proven to be pretty hopeless in modern warfare?

Or do the Russians not have the same sort of anti-tank weapons that we/ the Ukrainians do?

Having said all of that, the situation whereby the Ukrainians would request tanks but the Germans would rather pay a fortune to have them scrapped seems odd to say the least.

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You’re not paying attention to what I’m saying and seemingly getting irritated and a wee bit narky in your responses. It’s a bit pathetic you can’t accept credulity without getting an attitude. I would guess I’ve been a critic of Putin’s Russia for a lot longer than you have.

I’m not saying theses people weren’t murdered, obviously. I’m querying the stage managed nature of how they’ve been paraded and displayed and why Russian military would want that all over the worlds media. Waiting for a UN investigation before forming an opinion is apparently ‘unbelievable’ on my part though :rolleyes:

Your saying you don't believe it and the Ukrainians might have staged it. Afp and bbc Jeremy Bowen were in ours after it was liberated. Every eu political leader has called it a war crime, I think they would only say that as the evidence is unbelievably overwhelming. The Ukrainian public are reporting the war crimes also. The evidence is overwhelming

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Why do the Ukrainians want tanks? Has one of the things about this war not been that tanks have been proven to be pretty hopeless in modern warfare?

Or do the Russians not have the same sort of anti-tank weapons that we/ the Ukrainians do?

Having said all of that, the situation whereby the Ukrainians would request tanks but the Germans would rather pay a fortune to have them scrapped seems odd to say the least.
Russians have limited anti tanks left it seems and no real way of resupply

[Ozyhibby]

Why do the Ukrainians want tanks? Has one of the things about this war not been that tanks have been proven to be pretty hopeless in modern warfare?

Or do the Russians not have the same sort of anti-tank weapons that we/ the Ukrainians do?

Having said all of that, the situation whereby the Ukrainians would request tanks but the Germans would rather pay a fortune to have them scrapped seems odd to say the least.

Tanks still have a place for attacking. Not sure these are tanks though.


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[hibsbollah]

Your saying you don't believe it and the Ukrainians might have staged it. Afp and bbc Jeremy Bowen were in ours after it was liberated. Every eu political leader has called it a war crime, I think they would only say that as the evidence is unbelievably overwhelming. The Ukrainian public are reporting the war crimes also. The evidence is overwhelming

Frankly, you and this thread can get to **** as far as I’m concerned, I’ll leave you to it. Calling me ‘comrade’ is classless, lowlife pish.

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http://www.thejakartapost.com/world/2022/04/03/mass-grave-with-57-bodies-in-bucha-ukrainian-official.html

Here in this long grave, 57 people are buried," said Serhii Kaplychnyi, who identified himself as head of the rescue services in Bucha and who was organising the recovery of the bodies. The mass grave is behind a church in the town's centre. Some of the bodies were either unburied or partially buried in the earth.



The mayor of a Ukrainian city on the northern outskirts of Kyiv on Sunday showed journalists dead bodies in an area that, he said, Chechen fighters controlled during the month that Russian forces occupied the city.

The mayor, Anatoliy Fedoruk, showed a Reuters team two corpses with white cloth tied around their arms which - the mayor said - was what residents were forced to wear by fighters from Chechnya, a region in southern Russia that has deployed troops to Ukraine to support Russian forces. One corpse appeared to have his hands bound by the white cloth, and to have been shot in the mouth. x "Any war has some rules of engagement for civilians. The Russians have demonstrated that they were consciously killing civilians," Fedoruk said.

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Frankly, you and this thread can get to **** as far as I’m concerned, I’ll leave you to it. Calling me ‘comrade’ is classless, lowlife pish.

Sorry about the comrade but I'm fuming about what's happened. Not maybe happened has happened. There hundreds of pictures and dozens of many minute long videos from all the biggestreputable media outlets. You should question everything but this is a clear and frankly ******g obvious atrocity for God sake.

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EU chief Charles Michel pledges further sanctions on Moscow as he condemns “atrocities” carried out by Russian forces outside Ukraine’s capital Kyiv.

“Shocked by haunting images of atrocities committed by Russian army in Kyiv liberated region #BuchaMassacre

[Kato]

I’m not saying theses people weren’t murdered, obviously. I’m querying the stage managed nature of how they’ve been paraded and displayed and why Russian military would want that all over the worlds media.

Do you nit the feeling the atrocities they committing are an attempt to goad the NATO into the conflict?

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[Bristolhibby]

Do you nit the feeling the atrocities they committing are an attempt to goad the NATO into the conflict?

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Na, I just think they are a rabble, dogs being let off the leash.
Poor cannon fodder who are alive and making the most of it before they get processed through the meat grinder.

J

[Kato]

Na, I just think they are a rabble, dogs being let off the leash.
Poor cannon fodder who are alive and making the most of it before they get processed through the meat grinder.

J

Could be. Racism against Ukrainians from Russians is centuries old, they see them as "untermensch", Putin's war rationale is packed with russo-supramecy and religious sectarianism. The triggers for those things have been re-planted and amplified in most of the Western world in recent years. Our soldiers and the Americans and the Germans under the right conditions are just as bad "when let off the leash".

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-must-pay-war-crimes-bucha-germany-says-2022-04-03/?taid=6249eeca3225ef0001286a0f&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Movement from the Germans on gas?


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[Jones28]

@AFP
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#UPDATE Germany on Sunday condemned the killings of civilians in the Ukrainian town of Bucha as a "terrible war crime" and called for fresh EU sanctions against Russia

They could start by sending some weapons and condemning the rallies being held that are openly using the Z symbol.

It should become akin to using the swastika.

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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Prices for new cars in #Russia rose by an average of 40% last March

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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The #EU will discuss a new package of sanctions against #Russia on Wednesday, a source told
@FT
.

According to the newspaper, it will be about personal restrictions, the ban on the use of ports, export restrictions and the #embargo on energy resources

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Pretty sure that's Russias standing in Western society for decades

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https://vot-tak.tv/novosti/03-04-2022-rasstrely-zhitelej-buchi/

They shot either in the back of the head or in the heart." The story of an eyewitness to the executions of the inhabitants of Bucha in the occupation

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Euromaidan Press
@EuromaidanPress
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Putin may collect $321 billion in 2022 if oil and gas keep flowing, Bloomberg estimates.
For comparison, Ukraine spends $10 billion for war per month which requires $120 billion a year, acc to Prime Minister.
Ukraine's usual yearly state budget $50 billion

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Melissa Chan
@melissakchan
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WARSAW, April 4 (Reuters) - Germany is the main roadblock to imposing tougher sanctions on Russia, Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said

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Dan Peleschuk
@dpeleschuk
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Yesterday, Lithuania said it’s now completely off Russian gas.

Today, these strong words from Estonia’s prime minister

@kajakallas
Photos of murdered civilians in Irpin and Bucha by Russian troops recall the mass killings by Soviet and Nazi regimes.

This is not a battlefield, it’s a crime scene.

Mass killings of Ukrainian civilians by #Russia are clear war crimes

We need courage, moral clarity and more action to stop it. Indifference is the mother of all crimes.

Evidence must be gathered, saved for trials, and perpetrators must face justice.

We need a 5th round of strong EU sanctions as soon as possible

Finally, our top priority should be increased military aid to #Ukraine.

They need it to take back their cities and free people from Russian occupation and repression

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French President Emmanuel Macron says he supports new sanctions against Moscow after claims Russian forces committed atrocities against Ukrainian civilians in Bucha, near Kyiv.

"There are very clear indications of war crimes. It was the Russian army that was in Bucha

Spanish PM sees possible 'genocide' in Ukraine

EU urgently discussing new sanctions on Russia after Ukraine 'atrocities

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Genocide talk

Sergej Sumlenny
@sumlenny
THREAD: Russian state-owned propaganda outlet RIA published the new programmatic article with the title "What Russia must do with Ukraine". The article reveals a detailed plan for a genocide, starting from full elimination of Ukrainian state. Details below

1) it calls almost every Ukrainian a Nazi who deserves death. "Nazis who took weapons, must be killed in numbers as much as possible... Not just the elites, the most of the people are guilty, they are passive Nazis, Nazi enablers. They supported these elites and must be punished"

It foresees tyrannic approach to culture. "Further denacification of the mass of the population is to be reached through ideological repression (oppression) of Nazi ideas and through harsh censorship: not only in politics, but in culture and education areas"

it foresees economic and political destruction of Ukraine: "Ukraine must pay for its guilt towards Russia. It must be treated as an enemy, and therefore may develop only in dependency to Russia. No "Marshall plan" may happen. No "neutrality" both ideological or practical

A tyrannical future emerges: "Personnel providing denazification in new denazified republics (plural! - Sumlenny) cannot act on another way but only with direct military-police and management support from Russia. Denazification must be a Deukrainisation

Ukraine is the enemy: "The history has proven: Ukraine may not exist as a national state. Any attempt to create it leads to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construct... De-banderisation is not enough... Denazification of Ukraine must be De-Europeazation of it

Deliberate targeting of civilians: "The Bandera-elites must be liquidated, they cannot be re-educated. The social "swamp" who supported them must experience terror of war and learn the lesson, and pay for its guilt

Well, I expect from those who supported Russia in its war and who found excuses for Russia, to find excuses for these plans. And also for the purchases of Russian gas. The link to the article for those who want to google translate the whole text: https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html

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https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1510916699004055552

@visegrad24
The elderly woman, Ms Pomazanko lived alone with her daughter in Bucha.

Her daughter was shot by the Russians on the first day of their occupation of Bucha.

The elderly mother buried her best as she could in her yard.

UA soldiers are there to help now

[WhileTheChief..]

Fixed that for you.

No, you didn't. You totally screwed up my post.

I wasn't referring to your posts, I was referring to some in the media.

Change it back please.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Pretty sure that's Russias standing in Western society for decades


I hope the world's media waited for a UN report confirming the facts before printing these!

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https://news.sky.com/story/war-in-ukraine-russians-pull-out-of-bucha-leaving-civilians-lying-dead-on-the-streets-12581143

Russian troops pull out of Bucha leaving civilians lying dead on the street

Sky News has verified two videos showing bodies on the streets of Bucha, including one where at least seven bodies lie on the road and on the pavement, while Reuters has reported on a mass grave in the grounds of a church

[greenginger]

Genocide talk

Sergej Sumlenny
@sumlenny
THREAD: Russian state-owned propaganda outlet RIA published the new programmatic article with the title "What Russia must do with Ukraine". The article reveals a detailed plan for a genocide, starting from full elimination of Ukrainian state. Details below

1) it calls almost every Ukrainian a Nazi who deserves death. "Nazis who took weapons, must be killed in numbers as much as possible... Not just the elites, the most of the people are guilty, they are passive Nazis, Nazi enablers. They supported these elites and must be punished"

It foresees tyrannic approach to culture. "Further denacification of the mass of the population is to be reached through ideological repression (oppression) of Nazi ideas and through harsh censorship: not only in politics, but in culture and education areas"

it foresees economic and political destruction of Ukraine: "Ukraine must pay for its guilt towards Russia. It must be treated as an enemy, and therefore may develop only in dependency to Russia. No "Marshall plan" may happen. No "neutrality" both ideological or practical

A tyrannical future emerges: "Personnel providing denazification in new denazified republics (plural! - Sumlenny) cannot act on another way but only with direct military-police and management support from Russia. Denazification must be a Deukrainisation

Ukraine is the enemy: "The history has proven: Ukraine may not exist as a national state. Any attempt to create it leads to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construct... De-banderisation is not enough... Denazification of Ukraine must be De-Europeazation of it

Deliberate targeting of civilians: "The Bandera-elites must be liquidated, they cannot be re-educated. The social "swamp" who supported them must experience terror of war and learn the lesson, and pay for its guilt

Well, I expect from those who supported Russia in its war and who found excuses for Russia, to find excuses for these plans. And also for the purchases of Russian gas. The link to the article for those who want to google translate the whole text: https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html


Sounds like Stalin has returned.

[Hibrandenburg]

Tanks still have a place for attacking. Not sure these are tanks though.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe Mardar is an infantry fighting vehicle used for mechanised infantry offensives and reconnaissance. Its small 20mm cannon has proven to be very effective fighting infantry but I doubt it would be much use against battle tanks.

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[Hibrandenburg]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220403/51fdffa1db81c76233391a6954796bc8.jpg

Germany needs to get a grip. They are about to spend a fortune dismantling these vehicles anyway.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220403/4f29687c38d0d0ccd0573ccd8fc0c47f.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's hard for many countries to understand the German mentality. Proof of this is decades of jokes about Germans still having aspirations of world domination when in reality as a nation that has come to terms with its horrific recent past it is a nation that deplores war and other than the defence of its own borders wants nothing to do with war. Ironically in the past few weeks, world opinion has changed from believing the Germans are war mongering barbarians to now believing them to be weak spineless pacifists. If only the imperialist powers that were on the winning side of WW2 had learned the same lessons as Germany, then maybe we wouldn't be in the situation we now find ourselves.

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[PeeJay]

Disgraceful scene yesterday (Sunday) in Berlin - Car convoy (900 people or so) made up of Russians expats living here in the "decadent West", protesting freely and apparently with permission for the demonstration entitled “Keine Propaganda in der Schule – Schutz für russischsprechende Leute, keine Diskriminierung” (No propaganda in school – Protection for Russian speakers and No discrimination), asking us to "Stop hating Russians" and to stop attacking them ( ... no posters on any of the cars (correct me if I'm wrong!) with "Stop the War" or "Peace" on them ... They demanded that German authorities ensure that their children in German schools are not subjected to "propaganda", i.e. "Don't mention the word WAR" (as there is no war?)

This is not just Putin's war as is often claimed, the Russian people are in on this too ...



https://youtu.be/mZHI9VlFdLs

[WhileTheChief..]

It's hard for many countries to understand the German mentality. Proof of this is decades of jokes about Germans still having aspirations of world domination when in reality as a nation that has come to terms with its horrific recent past it is a nation that deplores war and other than the defence of its own borders wants nothing to do with war. Ironically in the past few weeks, world opinion has changed from believing the Germans are war mongering barbarians to now believing them to be weak spineless pacifists. If only the imperialist powers that were on the winning side of WW2 had learned the same lessons as Germany, then maybe we wouldn't be in the situation we now find ourselves.

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What do you mean by this?

We were fighting for freedom and liberty against the Nazis. WE didn't need to learn anything, we already knew right from wrong. same again now.

As for world opinion thinking Germany were warmongers, when are you talking about here? Nobody has thought that since the 40s.

[Hibrandenburg]

What do you mean by this?

We were fighting for freedom and liberty against the Nazis. WE didn't need to learn anything, we already knew right from wrong. same again now.

As for world opinion thinking Germany were warmongers, when are you talking about here? Nobody has thought that since the 40s.So the UK hasn't been in any unjustified wars since the end of WW2?

British media especially the Sun, Daily Mail and other right wing press never depict Germany as goose stepping war mongers just waiting for their chance to reestablish the 3rd Reich?

German far right parties received around only 10% of votes in the last election but if you believed international media then you'd be forgiven for thinking Germany was on the verge of becoming a fascist state again.

Merkel has been depicted as a modern day Nazi by UK right wing politicians including the current Prime Minister.

German tourists and school exchange students in the UK are often on the end of verbal and sometimes physical abuse for being Nazis despite the war ending nearly 80 years ago.

Germany was conquered and divided to ensure it would never again be a military power in Europe and its citizens educated in the futility of war and generations of Germans have had to carry the burden of wars they had nothing to do with, but now the world suddenly wants them to forget all that? It ain't gonna happen in the space of a few weeks.

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So the UK hasn't been in any unjustified wars since the end of WW2?

British media especially the Sun, Daily Mail and other right wing press never depict Germany as goose stepping war mongers just waiting for their chance to reestablish the 3rd Reich?

German far right parties received around only 10% of votes in the last election but if you believed international media then you'd be forgiven for thinking Germany was on the verge of becoming a fascist state again.

Merkel has been depicted as a modern day Nazi by UK right wing politicians including the current Prime Minister.

German tourists and school exchange students in the UK are often on the end of verbal and sometimes physical abuse for being Nazis despite the war ending nearly 80 years ago.

Germany was conquered and divided to ensure it would never again be a military power in Europe and its citizens educated in the futility of war and generations of Germans have had to carry the burden of wars they had nothing to do with, but now the world suddenly wants them to forget all that? It ain't gonna happen in the space of a few weeks.

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This seems like something that would be written in the 70s not now. I was too young to remember the wall coming down never mind the 40s. I think the perception of Germany in the uk and it seems central Europe is thinking of money first and not wanting the oil to stop. They already sent deadly weapons 3 weeks ago, I didn't realise it was unusual for them to do it unless you had said.

[Smartie]

What do you mean by this?

We were fighting for freedom and liberty against the Nazis. WE didn't need to learn anything, we already knew right from wrong. same again now.

As for world opinion thinking Germany were warmongers, when are you talking about here? Nobody has thought that since the 40s.

I'm guessing that by "we" he meant the Allies.

In there you've got the UK, various European countries, the USA, the Russians. We were on the same side as the Russians during WW2.

It might be the case that "we" the UK didn't need to learn anything, but the actions and rhetoric from the Russians lately have been reminiscent of those of the Nazis during WW2 and would suggest that the horrors of WW2 taught some folk f all.

[Ozyhibby]

Disgraceful scene yesterday (Sunday) in Berlin - Car convoy (900 people or so) made up of Russians expats living here in the "decadent West", protesting freely and apparently with permission for the demonstration entitled “Keine Propaganda in der Schule – Schutz für russischsprechende Leute, keine Diskriminierung” (No propaganda in school – Protection for Russian speakers and No discrimination), asking us to "Stop hating Russians" and to stop attacking them ( ... no posters on any of the cars (correct me if I'm wrong!) with "Stop the War" or "Peace" on them ... They demanded that German authorities ensure that their children in German schools are not subjected to "propaganda", i.e. "Don't mention the word WAR" (as there is no war?)

This is not just Putin's war as is often claimed, the Russian people are in on this too ...



https://youtu.be/mZHI9VlFdLs

Given how this situation is developing, the Germans would be within their rights to deport the lot as a security risk. Handy for identification that they all drove their cars. Get it done Germany.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1510950346742509570?s=21&t=8z8wl-TTbibZ9YhzrZA9_Q

It’s not just Putin. Don’t feel bad for ordinary Russians affected by sanctions. We need to isolate them from the world.


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[Hibrandenburg]

I'm guessing that by "we" he meant the Allies.

In there you've got the UK, various European countries, the USA, the Russians. We were on the same side as the Russians during WW2.

It might be the case that "we" the UK didn't need to learn anything, but the actions and rhetoric from the Russians lately have been reminiscent of those of the Nazis during WW2 and would suggest that the horrors of WW2 taught some folk f all.

Russia, the US and the UK have all been involved in and instigated wars where they have tried to impose their values on other nations with catastrophic consequences for the local inhabitants and lasting instability in other regions of the world.

I'm sure that the terrible images now emerging from Ukraine will sway opinions on military support or intervention in Germany, I just don't think people should expect this to happen overnight.





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[Since90+2]

Russia, the US and the UK have all been involved in and instigated wars where they have tried to impose their values on other nations with catastrophic consequences for the local inhabitants and lasting instability in other regions of the world.

I'm sure that the terrible images now emerging from Ukraine will sway opinions on military support or intervention in Germany, I just don't think people should expect this to happen overnight.





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Does Germany have a capable military? It always seems to be reported that France and the UK are the main military powers in Europe, but imagine Germany must have decent capabilities too.

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I wouldn't click for the photos but will put up incase there is doubt. Both have now been geolocated. Many are saying Mykolayiv is worse than Bucha and has lots of war crimes

https://twitter.com/Mariana_Betsa/status/1510966912724963328

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Michael A. Horowitz
@michaelh992
·

🚩The Ukrainian Prosecutor General, Irina Venediktova, said on TV today that the worst situation when it comes to human casualties in the Kyiv region isn't #Bucha, but Borodyanka... This is really concerning given what we saw in Bucha.

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Civilians murdered cycling there bikes and carrying food

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1510990838725328899

Harrowing pictures taken by Dmitry Komarov who entered Bucha and Irpin with the first detachment of police forces after the towns were recaptured

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🚩Biden says of Putin "he is a war criminal". The US President said "we have to gather all the details" so as to "actually have war crimes trial". Promises more sanctions after Bucha

[WhileTheChief..]

So the UK hasn't been in any unjustified wars since the end of WW2?

British media especially the Sun, Daily Mail and other right wing press never depict Germany as goose stepping war mongers just waiting for their chance to reestablish the 3rd Reich?

German far right parties received around only 10% of votes in the last election but if you believed international media then you'd be forgiven for thinking Germany was on the verge of becoming a fascist state again.

Merkel has been depicted as a modern day Nazi by UK right wing politicians including the current Prime Minister.

German tourists and school exchange students in the UK are often on the end of verbal and sometimes physical abuse for being Nazis despite the war ending nearly 80 years ago.

Germany was conquered and divided to ensure it would never again be a military power in Europe and its citizens educated in the futility of war and generations of Germans have had to carry the burden of wars they had nothing to do with, but now the world suddenly wants them to forget all that? It ain't gonna happen in the space of a few weeks.

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I'll try to answer as best I can..

1. No, maybe Gulf War 2 but I still think Sadam had to go. We just gave the wrong reasons for war.
2. I've never seen this, other than in comedy sketch shows like 'Allo 'Allo
3. Which international media? I've never seen anything suggesting Germany being, or wanting to become, fascist
4. Merkel always seemed pretty popular. I doubt very much that Boris seriously called her a Nazi?!
5. How can you possibly know this?
6. The world wants Germany to help put Russia under pressure and to support Ukraine with arms. This is their chance to do the right thing.

[Hibrandenburg]

Does Germany have a capable military? It always seems to be reported that France and the UK are the main military powers in Europe, but imagine Germany must have decent capabilities too.

After the war the German military was disarmed and disbanded. It was only 10 years later in 1955 with the escalation of the Cold War that the Western Powers created the Bundeswehr to counteract the build up of forces in the Warsaw Pact nations. In 1956 the Russians created an East German version called the NVA (Nationaler Volks Armee) to counteract the establishment of the Bundeswehr. The Bundeswehr was set up as a defensive force with little to no offensive capabilities and was permitted to only operate within the BRD's (Bundes Republik Deutschland) borders by the German constitution. Similarly it was claimed that the NVA was also a purely defensive force but it is widely believed that some units were involved in Russia's invasion of Afghanistan.

After the Wall came down the NVA was basically incorporated into the Bundeswehr which maintained it's constitutional obligation of remaining a defensive force. Since then the Bundeswehr has under great pressure from Germany's Western allies committed troops as peacekeepers in Bosnia and in Afghanistan, however any involvement of German troops abroad has received widespread criticism at home. The German military today has only a small proportion of troops capable of deploying abroad.

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[Stairway 2 7]

2 Russian economists in the speigel say an oil and gas embargo can end the war. Will have a financial cost to the west but fair to stop genocide, but in no way hurts Germany more than Russia. It wouldn't be as tough on Germany as the coronavirus recession for example.

https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/oel-und-gas-aus-russland-warum-ein-embargo-wladimir-putins-krieg-beenden-koennte-a-9537c522-5f56-4856-97bc-86080c2b7028

Why an embargo could end Putin's war

A guest post by Sergei Gurijew and Oleg Itskhoki

The fastest way to stop the Russian attack on Ukraine would be to stop imports of Russian oil and gas. Because the income from these deals has so far maintained the Kremlin's system of rule

As economists, we are not primarily concerned with moral arguments against Europe's decision to continue paying Russia for its oil and gas. It is of course true that Vladimir Putin is using this money for his brutal war in Ukraine . But since we are not German citizens, we cannot ask the German government to make decisions that entail significant costs for the German people. However, as economists we are certain that a European embargo on Russian oil and gas is the quickest way to stop Putin's war in Europe .

Such an embargo would be costly, but the cost is manageable. Leading German economists put the cost of an embargo at 0.5 to 3 percent of gross domestic product or around 120 to 1200 euros per capita, which corresponds to a moderately severe recession. However, the recession is likely to be less severe than during the corona pandemic , for example .

Nobel laureate Paul Krugman agrees that such costs would be affordable for Germany . Two other studies come to similar conclusions. The first estimates that stopping Russian energy imports would result in a loss of income in Europe of about 1 percent. Another study assumes that a complete decoupling of Russian gas would reduce economic output in the euro area by around two percent. An analysis by the Bruegel think tank in Brussels also comes to the conclusion that Europe can get by without Russian gas next winter .

The German government also has enough fiscal space to cushion the impact on German budgets - as it did during the corona recession. With winter almost over and households using less gas for heating, now is an ideal time to look for ways to quickly reduce gas consumption and store as much natural gas as possible for next winter.

Aren't the existing sanctions enough to stop Putin?

Since the war began, the West has shown great determination and imposed sweeping sanctions. The Russian economy has been hit hard. The ruble has lost 40 percent of its value. The Russian stock market has basically ceased to exist. Russian government bonds are trading at junk prices. The central bank has raised its inflation forecast to 20 percent and Western companies have pulled out of Russia in large numbers. Even the Russian currency reserves are subject to sanctions. This formally froze half of the $630 billion war chest, one of the most important pillars of the economic "Fortress Russia."

But huge sums of more than 500 million euros per day still flow into the country, mainly from Europe as payments for energy supplies. Oil and gas revenues are the most important source of the Russian budget. In 2021, with significantly lower oil prices, oil and gas taxes accounted for 40 percent of the budget.

The payments that Putin receives from the sale of Russian mineral resources are now and will be used to continue the war in Ukraine. It's true that Putin pays his military and police officers in rubles, not euros. But without the income from commodity exports, the Russian budget will slide massively into deficit. So Putin will either have to cut the salaries of soldiers and officers or print money

But printing money is dangerous. Inflation is already very high at two percent a week and the export embargo will accelerate it considerably. If Putin allows more rubles to be pumped into the system, inflation will continue to heat up.

In the event of an oil and gas embargo, falling foreign exchange earnings and accelerating inflation would undermine Putin's ability to maintain the purchasing power of police, bureaucrat and propagandist salaries. But these groups are the mainstays of his repressive regime at home.

Is an embargo pointless as Putin will sell gas and oil to China?

Half of Russian oil exports and three quarters of gas exports go to Europe. Full substitution by China and other countries is impossible given the limitations of transport infrastructure and the size of the European market.

More importantly, an embargo on Russia would reaffirm the West's determination and unity and create new options for action. If Europe stopped doing business with Russian oil and gas, it would be much easier for the United States, for example, to impose so-called secondary sanctions on countries that continue to trade with Russia.

Undeniably, an embargo will also hit ordinary Russians, whether they support Putin's war in Ukraine or not. In a non-democratic regime, the burden of sanctions aimed at Putin and his friends is at least partly borne by the general public, as was the case after 2014. But as long as Putin is in charge, he will use Russian tax revenues to bolster his repressive and propaganda machinery.

Putin wants to continue this war, which is economically devastating for both Ukraine and Russia and has already claimed thousands of lives. On March 16, he even said at a meeting that he was aiming for a "final solution" in Ukraine. It's hard to imagine what he means by that. The best way to stop Putin's war of aggression is to deprive him of the funds to continue this war by banning imports. Such an embargo would also have to last until Russia gives credible assurances that it will not undertake any further aggression in Ukraine or anywhere else.

If the embargo is not implemented quickly, the war in Ukraine, which is already causing high economic costs for Europe, will be prolonged. In addition, one must also consider the costs of a possible further escalation of the war if other countries become involved in the conflict. The embargo would deprive Putin of the financial means to continue the war and would massively weaken him domestically. Any other political option is economically more costly and politically more dangerous

[Since90+2]

After the war the German military was disarmed and disbanded. It was only 10 years later in 1955 with the escalation of the Cold War that the Western Powers created the Bundeswehr to counteract the build up of forces in the Warsaw Pact nations. In 1956 the Russians created an East German version called the NVA (Nationaler Volks Armee) to counteract the establishment of the Bundeswehr. The Bundeswehr was set up as a defensive force with little to no offensive capabilities and was permitted to only operate within the BRD's (Bundes Republik Deutschland) borders by the German constitution. Similarly it was claimed that the NVA was also a purely defensive force but it is widely believed that some units were involved in Russia's invasion of Afghanistan.

After the Wall came down the NVA was basically incorporated into the Bundeswehr which maintained it's constitutional obligation of remaining a defensive force. Since then the Bundeswehr has under great pressure from Germany's Western allies committed troops as peacekeepers in Bosnia and in Afghanistan, however any involvement of German troops abroad has received widespread criticism at home. The German military today has only a small proportion of troops capable of deploying abroad.

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Thanks, appreciate the detailed reply. So in reality Germany's military might is not comparable to the UK or France?

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Javier Blas
@JavierBlas
·
3h
OIL MARKET: French President Emmanuel Macron called for “very clear measures" after the massacre of Bucha.

“I am in favor of a round of sanctions, particularly on coal and oil, which we know are particularly harmful,” he said in a radio interview

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Keep it up bellingcat. Proof came out hours after the Russians left in a hurry

Bellingcat
@bellingcat
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2m
Replying to
@bellingcat
Russian ministries and officials have repeatedly claimed that images from Bucha did not emerge until 4 days after Russian forces left the area, at the end of March, such as this statement from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs

This is provably false, with videos shared from Bucha showing corpses along Yablunska Street from as early as the evening of April 1st, not 4 days later as Russian government sources claim. Here's the earliest example we identified:
t.me

This weekend has seen Russian officials, the
@mfa_russia
and
@mod_russia
make various attempts to debunk and dismiss videos coming from the town of Bucha. Bellingcat, along with the online community, took a look at those claims

https://www.bellingcat.com/?p=34385

[Ozyhibby]

Thanks, appreciate the detailed reply. So in reality Germany's military might is not comparable to the UK or France?

It definitely won’t be anywhere near as capable. The experience of the UK armed forces have gained in our near constant military involvement since WW2 will be unmatched by most countries. The level of retained skills developed by our armed forces (and the US’s) will be at a totally different level to any of our European ally’s.
You can buy all the best kit you want but the knowledge of how to deploy and maintain it all as well as the support networks needed can’t just be learnt overnight.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1511001899184627712

The head of the DNR, Denis Pushilin, awarding a medal to Lieutenant Colonel Timur Kurilkin for "destroying 250 Nazis" - which is ironic, considering Kurilkin has two neo-Nazi patches clearly visible on his uniform

@Osinttechnical
Colonel Timur Kurilkin has two patches on his right arm, displaying a Valknot and a Totenkopf, both of which are very common and obvious Nazi/Neo-Nazi symbols

[Hibrandenburg]

Thanks, appreciate the detailed reply. So in reality Germany's military might is not comparable to the UK or France?Not at the moment but the German Chancellor announced in February that he will increase the German defence budget to €100 billion making it the world's 3rd best financed military after the US and China.

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[lapsedhibee]

5. How can you possibly know this?

By living in Germany?

[Stairway 2 7]

Lithuania also stopped buying all Germany gas and oil

Robbie Gramer
@RobbieGramer
· 2h
NEW: Lithuania has expelled Russia's ambassador and downgraded diplomatic ties, in response Russia's "atrocities committed by the Russian armed forces in various occupied Ukrainian cities

[cabbageandribs1875]

gaun the Liths

[Stairway 2 7]

Now stop the oil and help end this

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

BREAKING:

Germany expels 40 Russian diplomats in response to the Bucha Massacre

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Eugene Finkel
@eugene_finkel
·
4h
Got questions about why I think it is genocide. Until this morning I resisted applying the term. War crimes? Sure. Heinous rhetoric? You bet. What changed is the combination of more and more evidence, from different places, and even more importantly, explicit official rhetoric

The official legal definition of genocide is "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such". When I teach genocide I start by saying that this definition has huge problems because it doesn't give us

clear thresholds (what "in part" does even mean?) and because it is almost impossible to prove intent. People who carry out genocide are usually not idiots, if there are orders at all they would be given orally.

But, several things are important to realize. First, something

that doesn't start as genocide might evolve into one when conditions change. Russian invasion, in my view, did not start with clear genocidal intent, but evolved into one. Regime change and colonial subjugation are by themselves not enough to constitute genocide. Second, more evidence that Bucha is not an exception. Each massacre might be local initiative, together they are a campaign. And most importantly, the RIA Novosti (a state outlet) piece is one of the most explicit statements of intent to destroy a national group as such that I've ever seen

I know Russian. I have read a lot of Russian nationalist rhetoric in my life. This is not some wild intellectual fantasy, it is a clear, actionable statement of intent by a state agency. The UN definition is problematic, but in this case it fits like a glove

[greenginger]

https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1510950346742509570?s=21&t=8z8wl-TTbibZ9YhzrZA9_Q

It’s not just Putin. Don’t feel bad for ordinary Russians affected by sanctions. We need to isolate them from the world.


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Agree totally. The Russians have put up with Putin for twenty years. Voted for him and looked the other way.

[Hibrandenburg]

By living in Germany?And personal experience, my boy got the treatment on holiday in Fife and even I got abuse for being a Nazi whilst speaking German with some German mates in an Edinburgh pub. Almost every German I know who has visited the UK has at some point had a brush with the "don't mention the war" brigade.

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[WhileTheChief..]

By living in Germany?

Eh? Just by living there gives you that insight?

How?

I live in Scotland but don't have a clue about any bullying of any sort in any school in the country.

If anything, he's heard of an example, maybe in a paper or something, but that doesn't equate to it being a problem across Germany.

[WhileTheChief..]

And personal experience, my boy got the treatment on holiday in Fife and even I got abuse for being a Nazi whilst speaking German with some German mates in an Edinburgh pub. Almost every German I know who has visited the UK has at some point had a brush with the "don't mention the war" brigade.

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Fair do's, i just replied to that post before seeing this one.

I know a couple of German's living here. They've never once been called a Nazi.

Just adding a bit of balance.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'd think Germans will get it from most of Europe unfortunately. Most twitter threads on Germany not stopping oil sales has people with different European flags saying, Germans always pick the wrong side of history ect. Cross they have to bear unfortunately, hopefully it'll get less every generation. I suppose Russians will get similar treatment for decades now. One way Germany can change that perception is backing Ukraine all the way and stopping the oil and gas

[The Tubs]

I'd think Germans will get it from most of Europe unfortunately. Most twitter threads on Germany not stopping oil sales has people with different European flags saying, Germans always pick the wrong side of history ect. Cross they have to bear unfortunately, hopefully it'll get less every generation. I suppose Russians will get similar treatment for decades now. One way Germany can change that perception is backing Ukraine all the way and stopping the oil and gas

Because of German history, you also need to understand their fears of inflation and social unrest. Hopefully extra capacity for other energy sources can be found by this autumn. I think it will be very difficult, however.

[Stairway 2 7]

Because of German history, you also need to understand their fears of inflation and social unrest. Hopefully extra capacity for other energy sources can be found by this autumn. I think it will be very difficult, however.

Inflation is already estimated to be 10% in Germany this year, higher than uks 8%. The Berlin Wall came down in the 80s excuses are ridiculous. Didn't Lithuania have civil social unrest.

The speigel article I posted above says they would cope fine, it wouldn't be as big a financial blow to them as say covid. It will cost money but help stop a genocide, more than any other move

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WatchDogIntel
·
1h
A thread on some #EU countries closing their borders:
#Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are planning to close their land borders with #Russia, thus cutting off the movement of goods across these borders

The effects of such a move will be far reaching, and will have a serious impact on the movement of goods to the #Russian exclave of #Kaliningrad, which is bordered on two sides by Lithuania and Poland

Kaliningrad is a region of significant strategic importance to Russia, as it hosts a number of military bases, naval installations and Iskander ballistic missile systems

Cutting off Russia's ability to supply Kaliningrad via land routes will surely add to the logistical nightmare Russia is facing a result of its aircraft being banned from EU airspace. This leaves Russia only one option for resupply: the sea

Resupplying Kaliningrad from the sea poses a major problem for the Russians: How do they ship goods to the region during winter, when their only other port on the baltic sea is frozen

In conclusion, I cant highlight enough that the closure of the Polish and Lithuanian borders with Kaliningrad is going have a significant effect on Russias operations in the region. If it last it will create logistical situation that is unsustainable, and hopefully force negotiatons

[lapsedhibee]

I know a couple of German's living here.

Fair enough. I'll give your views on Germans' experiences and Hibrandenburg's equal weight in future.

[Stairway 2 7]

Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield
@USAmbUN
·


United States government official
In close coordination with Ukraine and other Member States and partners at the UN, the United States is going to seek Russia’s suspension from the UN Human Rights Council

[The Tubs]

Inflation is already estimated to be 10% in Germany this year, higher than uks 8%. The Berlin Wall came down in the 80s excuses are ridiculous. Didn't Lithuania have civil social unrest.

The speigel article I posted above says they would cope fine, it wouldn't be as big a financial blow to them as say covid. It will cost money but help stop a genocide, more than any other move

While I understand the urgent need to take action, Europe doesn't need a situation where extremist parties get any amount of power. I also understand why politicians will have to weigh up these decisions very carefully. Germany, at least, has just had elections but France needs to make sure it gets through theirs before passing the cost onto the population.

If it were down to me, I'd find a way to pass it onto to the rent-seeking sections of the private sector. The press would probably have us turn our backs on Ukraine before that happened.

[Stairway 2 7]

While I understand the urgent need to take action, Europe doesn't need a situation where extremist parties get any amount of power. I also understand why politicians will have to weigh up these decisions very carefully. Germany, at least, has just had elections but France needs to make sure it gets through theirs before passing the cost onto the population.

If it were down to me, I'd find a way to pass it onto to the rent-seeking sections of the private sector. The press would probably have us turn our backs on Ukraine before that happened.

So your not wanting to stop a genocide now incase extremists vote to win the French election. Even though France buys almost no oil and gas from Russia and Macron is pushing for sales to stop already after the Bucha massacre. I'm not sure what your second bit is on about sorry

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Danylo Mokryk
@DMokryk
·
3h
This is what your heating bill looks like, EU citizens. This is what you pay for.

#BuchaMassacre

25755

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Ambassador Barbara Woodward
@BWoodward_UN
· 3h
The UK will call a #UNSC meeting tomorrow on #Ukraine. We will discuss the mounting evidence of war crimes, including from #Bucha.

We'll use our Presidency of the Security Council to ensure there is transparency, accountability and that justice is done

[cabbageandribs1875]

anyone googling Bucha in Russia get the photos on the right .... but from everywhere else it's the photos on the left


https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277577344_10158174177446097_6986774559917602281_n. jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MEly2h1fw_oAX8wXFe4&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_dDnJB5cDX93l81nP-9ikfhQnZ3SvpR6nVDClczmI9RQ&oe=62510858

[The Tubs]

So your not wanting to stop a genocide now incase extremists vote to win the French election. Even though France buys almost no oil and gas from Russia and Macron is pushing for sales to stop already after the Bucha massacre. I'm not sure what your second bit is on about sorry

That's excellent regarding France, then. What I'm saying is that these decisions have to made carefully. The second paragraph refers to the corporate lobby. Without knowing a great deal on this topic, I'd imagine that's a factor in holding back Germany on this decision.

[Stairway 2 7]

That's excellent regarding France, then. What I'm saying is that these decisions have to made carefully. The second paragraph refers to the corporate lobby. Without knowing a great deal on this topic, I'd imagine that's a factor in holding back Germany on this decision.

Ah gotya, yeah as usual I'm sure the corporations will be pushing hard to keep the shareholders happy as per. France is a rock and a hard place. Thatcherite Macron is unfortunately better than nazi Le Pen, the latter has deleted all her history of praising Putin

[Stairway 2 7]

anyone googling Bucha in Russia get the photos on the right .... but from everywhere else it's the photos on the left


https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277577344_10158174177446097_6986774559917602281_n. jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MEly2h1fw_oAX8wXFe4&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_dDnJB5cDX93l81nP-9ikfhQnZ3SvpR6nVDClczmI9RQ&oe=62510858

Bit like Tiananmen Square on a Chinese search engine

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·
Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia in the next 2-3 days will start process of complete isolation from Russia and Belarus, thus closing their land routes for the delivery of goods to these countries

This was stated by Deputy Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Mustafa Nayem

[Ozyhibby]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·
Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia in the next 2-3 days will start process of complete isolation from Russia and Belarus, thus closing their land routes for the delivery of goods to these countries

This was stated by Deputy Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Mustafa Nayem

That’s great news. The rest of the EU needs to step up now and ban all trade with Russia. Total isolation has to be the way forward.


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Shaun Walker
@shaunwalker7
The guardian

A story in two parts:

1. Today I met a woman who ran a beauty salon. The Russians occupied her town, shot at her brother, stole friend's car. Seven soldiers broke into her salon and slept there, stole boxes of beauty products and all the equipment, shat in the neighbouring shop

2. As this unfolded, she called her aunt who lives just outside Moscow, to tell her what was happening. Her aunt said, "Nonsense, that's not possible. It must have been Ukrainians dressed up as Russians. They've really brainwashed you there."

They have not spoken since

(One of hundreds of similar stories that I've heard and many others have also reported.)

[WhileTheChief..]

Fair enough. I'll give your views on Germans' experiences and Hibrandenburg's equal weight in future.

Don't worry about it, nobody is looking for an argument.

His later posts expanded on his thoughts, yours have added nothing to the point being made.

[Jack]

It's quite interesting this German/nazi stuff. I was engaged to a German girl in the early 90s. She didn't mention any issues in Edinburgh while we were together. She loved it here.

On a separate note I've noticed more in the telly stuff I watch, UK/USA produced mainly, any reference to WW2 it's always the nazis, never the Germans that were the opposition.

I don't know much about the paper media as I don't much frequent the daily express or mail although the headlines are frequently cringe worthy, pandering to their base readership.

[WhileTheChief..]

That’s great news. The rest of the EU needs to step up now and ban all trade with Russia. Total isolation has to be the way forward.


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I thought that was already happening with the sanctions? Are some British firms in general still doing business as usual there?

It really shouldn't take governments to make this happen, firms should stop trading because it's the right thing to do.

[Kato]

I wonder if the years and years of drip-fed xenophobia from our press and decades of over-obsessing over a war we wouldn't have won without the USA and Russia has anything to do with bad experiences Germans have had in the UK?

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[Stairway 2 7]

Both opinions are anecdotal I suppose. Nothing really to do with the genocide in Ukraine. If Germany wants to further get rid of bad press from lifetimes ago, it could make friends across Europe and stop the oil

[lapsedhibee]

I wonder if the years and years of drip-fed xenophobia from our press and decades of over-obsessing over a war we wouldn't have won without the USA and Russia has anything to do with bad experiences Germans have had in the UK?


Disagree.

It's not really drip-fed. Gushes out of the front pages.

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Steve Herman
@W7VOA
·
"We believe Russia is revising its war aims," says @JakeSullivan46 and that it'll "seek to surround and overwhelm" Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of #Ukraine

[Ozyhibby]

I thought that was already happening with the sanctions? Are some British firms in general still doing business as usual there?

It really shouldn't take governments to make this happen, firms should stop trading because it's the right thing to do.

There are still lots of western companies doing business there. Usually under the guise of not wanting to abandon their staff there. It’s time for the govt to take the choice away from them.


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[Ozyhibby]

Steve Herman
@W7VOA
·
"We believe Russia is revising its war aims," says @JakeSullivan46 and that it'll "seek to surround and overwhelm" Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of #Ukraine

I think that is an impossible task for them. They would need to take Dnipro and there is zero chance of that now.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Amazing work from osint teams

Hanna Liubakova
@HannaLiubakova
·
- Hello,darling,I looted, raped, tortured and killed in #Ukraine. But I am sending you a TV, air conditioners,e-scooters and other goods.

I watched the 3-hour CCTV recording from a courier service in Mazyr, #Belarus. Russian servicemen send endless packages with what they stole

@AricToler
Using Findclone on these guys is like shooting fish out a barrel. (Found both Russian & Belarusian men among the CCTV footage of the looting

Footage is nuts -- it shows Russian soldiers boxing and wrapping random objects at a Belarusian parcel delivery service near the Ukrainian border. Doesn't take an imagination to figure out where they got them from and where they're going. Here's a guy mailing an electric scooter

With a shopping bag from a Ukrainian mall (Epicenter), which doesn't exist in Belarus

Osinthics
@osinthics
·
2h
So far, 16 have been successfully identified and one has sent 450kg of goods. In total 2 metric tons are divided between these 16. Music instruments, tools, scooters etc.. We are working


Osinthics
@osinthics
We have the names, the phone number and the items they wanted to send to mother russia. All info is shared with the local authorities of both Belarus and Ukraine #RussianWarCrimes

Without our Belarusian patriots, this was not possible. Shoutout to them - United we stand - We do not forget

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Enough proof hibsbollah, this sadly happened mate. Just walked around them like they were dead animals

Matina Stevis-Gridneff
@MatinaStevis
·
16m
Analysis of satellite images by the
@nytimes
visual investigations team shows bodies lay in Bucha for at least 3 weeks, when Russian forces controlled the area, refuting Russian claims the massacre was carried out by Ukrainian forces after their departure

To confirm when the bodies appeared, and when the victims were likely killed, the Visual Investigations team at The Times conducted a before-and-after analysis of satellite imagery. The images show dark objects of similar size to a human body appearing on Yablonska Street between March 9 and March 11. The objects appear in the precise positions in which the bodies were found after Ukrainian forces reclaimed Bucha, as the footage from April 2 shows. Further analysis shows that the objects remained in those position for over three weeks.

The causes of death are unclear. Some of the bodies were beside what appears to be an impact crater. Others were near abandoned cars. Three of the bodies lay beside bicycles. Some have their hands bound behind their backs with white cloth. The victims were scattered over more than half a mile of Yablonska Street.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html

[Kato]

Disagree.

It's not really drip-fed. Gushes out of the front pages.Drip fed on the front pages. Even if a person never buys those papers it's in the peripheral vision every day.

I had to explain to my kids why it's there and why it's allowed as once they noticed it as a daily thing they were taken aback.

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[Ozyhibby]

Now that Russia has been forced back from Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy the international community should send in peace keeping and international aid agencies into those regions to help with the reconstruction efforts and allow the Ukrainian military to focus all its energy on eastern Ukraine. And we need to arm them to the teeth.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Now that Russia has been forced back from Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy the international community should send in peace keeping and international aid agencies into those regions to help with the reconstruction efforts and allow the Ukrainian military to focus all its energy on eastern Ukraine. And we need to arm them to the teeth.


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Definitely. Can say it's non confrontational as just policing the border and documenting war crimes. Frees up Ukraine as you say. The weapons need to come now not tomorrow, especially after Bucha. The more time they are on Ukranian land the more genocide can be committed. Stop all trade big and small also, we can have no part of this regime

[Stairway 2 7]

Poland's PM Mateusz Morawiecki:

“Russia of today is a totalitarian-fascist state

[Stairway 2 7]

Enough proof hibsbollah, this sadly happened mate. Just walked around them like they were dead animals

Matina Stevis-Gridneff
@MatinaStevis
·
16m
Analysis of satellite images by the
@nytimes
visual investigations team shows bodies lay in Bucha for at least 3 weeks, when Russian forces controlled the area, refuting Russian claims the massacre was carried out by Ukrainian forces after their departure

To confirm when the bodies appeared, and when the victims were likely killed, the Visual Investigations team at The Times conducted a before-and-after analysis of satellite imagery. The images show dark objects of similar size to a human body appearing on Yablonska Street between March 9 and March 11. The objects appear in the precise positions in which the bodies were found after Ukrainian forces reclaimed Bucha, as the footage from April 2 shows. Further analysis shows that the objects remained in those position for over three weeks.

The causes of death are unclear. Some of the bodies were beside what appears to be an impact crater. Others were near abandoned cars. Three of the bodies lay beside bicycles. Some have their hands bound behind their backs with white cloth. The victims were scattered over more than half a mile of Yablonska Street.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html

John Burn-Murdoch
@jburnmurdoch
Outstanding forensic visual journalism from NYT.

And I don't think one can overstate how big an impact the increase in availability of hi-res satellite imagery has on how conflict is now reported and understood

Of course, some people will still choose to disbelieve this evidence, but there will always be a fringe minority who indulge in wilful self-deception.

The difference is that 10 years ago, without these images, millions more may have been in the "we just can't be sure" camp

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

The Airbnb service has banned #Russian and #Belarusian citizens from booking accommodation around the world

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@visegrad24
·

Poland PM Mateusz Morawiecki with a message to Macron:

“We don’t discuss, we don’t negotiate with criminals. All we should do is to fight them.

Nobody negotiated with Hitler. Would you really negotiate with Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot?”

[The Tubs]

@visegrad24
·

Poland PM Mateusz Morawiecki with a message to Macron:

“We don’t discuss, we don’t negotiate with criminals. All we should do is to fight them.

Nobody negotiated with Hitler. Would you really negotiate with Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot?”

That's just playing to the masses. They most obvious thing you can notice about his list is that Stalin died a free man and on his own terms.

[CropleyWasGod]

That's just playing to the masses. They most obvious thing you can notice about his list is that Stalin died a free man and on his own terms.

And that Stalin negotiated with Churchill and Roosevelt.

[JimBHibees]

I wonder if the years and years of drip-fed xenophobia from our press and decades of over-obsessing over a war we wouldn't have won without the USA and Russia has anything to do with bad experiences Germans have had in the UK?

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Anytime England play Germany at football including the last Euros. Two World wars and one world cup etc. Pathetic

[Stairway 2 7]

And that Stalin negotiated with Churchill and Roosevelt.

And Hitler at the start to divide up Poland. I think he's probably criticising the west for negotiations with Stalin as Poland got the brunt twice. I agree with the principle of talking to a madman is looking pointless. Schoolz and Macron made a big deal of there meetings at the long table. Putin smiled saying his troops are doing training at the border, then invaded anyway

[Stairway 2 7]

Only 1 that matters

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

New sanctions against #Russia may be adopted as early as tomorrow.

This was announced by the Secretary of State of the #French Ministry of Foreign Affairs

[Stairway 2 7]

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

According to the #UN, as of April 4, 4.2 million people left #Ukraine.

However, it is worth noting that 79% of refugees want to return to Ukraine after the war. This is evidenced by the results of a survey by the #Ukrainian Razumkov Center

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1511244801534009348?s=21&t=y5Hew9rLVk64fHJxJcP8KQ

These should make a huge difference but we need to send more of them.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1511244801534009348?s=21&t=y5Hew9rLVk64fHJxJcP8KQ

These should make a huge difference but we need to send more of them.


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Amazing 👏

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
12m
BREAKING:

After staying practically silent on the war for over a month, Merkel has rebuked Zelensky’s criticism of her by saying that she stands by her decision from 2008 to block Ukraine from NATO membership.

Experts claim the Russian invasion has clouded her legacy

Apart from the NATO decision, Merkel has also come under fire for not diversifying Germany’s energy supplies after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

36% of Germany’s gas imports in 2014 came from Russia, but the rose to 55% by the time of Russia’s invasion in 2022

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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·

Ivo Lukačovič,
@ilblog
, the founder of the Czech online media empire
@seznam_cz
has announced that he will donate EUR 4.2 million worth of weapons to the heroic Ukrainian Army after having seen pictures of the Bucha Massacre.

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·

#Reuters: #US Treasury won't allow #Russia to make debt payments in #dollars from US accounts.

"Russia must choose between depleting its remaining valuable dollar reserves, receiving new revenues or defaulting," said a US Treasury spokesman

[Ozyhibby]

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
12m
BREAKING:

After staying practically silent on the war for over a month, Merkel has rebuked Zelensky’s criticism of her by saying that she stands by her decision from 2008 to block Ukraine from NATO membership.

Experts claim the Russian invasion has clouded her legacy

Apart from the NATO decision, Merkel has also come under fire for not diversifying Germany’s energy supplies after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

36% of Germany’s gas imports in 2014 came from Russia, but the rose to 55% by the time of Russia’s invasion in 2022

Merkel’s legacy is in tatters and there is nothing she can do about that now. It’s not as if she wasn’t warned.


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[PeeJay]

Merkel’s legacy is in tatters and there is nothing she can do about that now. It’s not as if she wasn’t warned.


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Her legacy was always in tatters with me, but the refusal to allow Ukraine into NATO at the time (although it wasn't hers alone, e.g. Sarkozy (France)) was one of the things she got right ... the Ukraine was not ready, just as it was not ready for the EU ...

[Ozyhibby]

Her legacy was always in tatters with me, but the refusal to allow Ukraine into NATO at the time (although it wasn't hers alone, e.g. Sarkozy (France)) was one of the things she got right ... the Ukraine was not ready, just as it was not ready for the EU ...

Sorry, I was more referring to her making Germany dependent on Russia for its energy needs.


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[PeeJay]

Sorry, I was more referring to her making Germany dependent on Russia for its energy needs.


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... oh, yeah, well, there's a whole bigger list than that of things she got wrong (not just her again though) ... I'm astonished she is hardly anywhere to be seen at this time

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1511284174921076736

Bellingcat
@bellingcat
New drone imagery shows Russian forces firing on a cyclists in Bucha, on Yablunska Street at 50.54148, 30.228898, where multiple corpses have been filmed and photographed

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Javier Blas
@JavierBlas
"Each day, roughly, we are paying €1 billion to import Russian energy, and that's, obviously, a source of income that's used to finance the war," says European Union top diplomat Josep Borrell

[Ozyhibby]

Javier Blas
@JavierBlas
"Each day, roughly, we are paying €1 billion to import Russian energy, and that's, obviously, a source of income that's used to finance the war," says European Union top diplomat Josep Borrell

The EU is sending more money to Russia right now than to Ukraine. That needs to stop.


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https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1511284174921076736

Bellingcat
@bellingcat
New drone imagery shows Russian forces firing on a cyclists in Bucha, on Yablunska Street at 50.54148, 30.228898, where multiple corpses have been filmed and photographed

Civilian clothing and riding a bike down the street, the body lay for weeks in the open.

https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1511287585116766210
The location where the cyclist was shot was filmed after Ukrainian forces entered Bucha, where a corpse is clearly visible next to a bicycle.

Satellite imagery from March 11th, via
@planet
, shows the building next to where the man was shot was destroyed at that date, indicating the drone video was filmed before that date

This video emerges as Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov claims the "provocation" in Bucha was committed after the departure of Russian troops

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1511266924021358593

I wonder what he means by this?

[Oscar T Grouch]

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1511266924021358593

I wonder what he means by this?

Is he not saying he wants Russia to be a superpower with territory from the Atlantic coast to the Sea of Japan?

[Stairway 2 7]

Is he not saying he wants Russia to be a superpower with territory from the Atlantic coast to the Sea of Japan?

But in reality they can't even take Kyiv

[Smartie]

But in reality they can't even take Kyiv

I guess they're maybe thinking they can take a country at a time by getting their Orbans and Le Pens into position?

Their fighting force certainly doesn't appear to be all that formidable, and even if they had a degree of success they don't appear to be winning many hearts or minds along the way.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jsuedekum/status/1511303349626363907?s=21&t=y5Hew9rLVk64fHJxJcP8KQ

More EU sanctions. Not enough but more than we are doing.


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[LunasBoots]

Putin wouldn't have a military force left if he tried to come through all those countries to Lisbon

[Ozyhibby]

Put in wouldn't have a military force left if he tried to come through all those countries to Lisbon

Doubt he’ll have one left in about 8 weeks without moving much at all.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/jsuedekum/status/1511303349626363907?s=21&t=y5Hew9rLVk64fHJxJcP8KQ

More EU sanctions. Not enough but more than we are doing.


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Very disappointing, should have done ports at least. If they aren't going to stop oil after Bucha, I'd hate to think what the red line is. Europeans don't seem happy


Philipp Heimberger
@heimbergecon
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Remember the €zone crisis, when 🇩🇪 politicians told Greece, Italy etc. they needed to front-load austerity: fast adjustment would be less painful. Remarkably, the arguments are now different: 🇩🇪 ministers say the economy needs to be adjusted gradually to new energy realities

Hanno Lustig
@HannoLustig
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And yet, new tankers filled with 🇷🇺 oil and gas are being unloaded daily in Rotterdam and Antwerp. More 🇷🇺 gas is flowing to Europe. 🇷🇺 is running a larger current account surplus than before the invasion. If you're appalled, tell your member states to stop funding this war

Moritz Schularick
@MSchularick
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I wish this was a joke. But it seems that by now every German industry association is busy lobbying Berlin instead of adjusting at high speed to the new reality

Francesco Guarascio
@fraguarascio
· 1h
EU to ban import of coal from Russia, in what would be first energy import ban after Ukraine's invasion. It's worth little compared to oil or gas but of highly symbolic importance

Important to note: EU import ban on coal would be applicable immediately after publication on OJ. However wind-down periods for existing contracts still to be decided. That's devil in details that could make this measure less effective than it seems if very long wind-down agreed

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I thought they would try and slip this through, probably in labour constituencies

Kevin Schofield
@KevinASchofield
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Channel 4 privatisation AND the return of fracking in the same week. This is like Christmas for a certain group of Tory MPs

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ukraine-war-means-uk-might-need-to-frack-government-signals_uk_624c2d8ee4b068157f7c3f32

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I guess they're maybe thinking they can take a country at a time by getting their Orbans and Le Pens into position?

Their fighting force certainly doesn't appear to be all that formidable, and even if they had a degree of success they don't appear to be winning many hearts or minds along the way.


Not so sure about them not winning over many hearts and minds? China, India, Hungary, Serbia, Brazil and North Korea to name a "few" - none of these countries are on "our side" (not even the one in the EU it seems)

One of the latest "independent" Lewada Centre's surveys has 83% of Russians in favour of Putin and the "special operation" --- Levada-Center – From opinion to understanding (https://www.levada.ru/en/): !?

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Not so sure about them not winning over many hearts and minds? China, India, Hungary, Serbia, Brazil and North Korea to name a "few" - none of these countries are on "our side" (not even the one in the EU it seems)

One of the latest "independent" Lewada Centre's surveys has 83% of Russians in favour of Putin and the "special operation" --- Levada-Center – From opinion to understanding (https://www.levada.ru/en/): !?

China and Russia are sitting back and not supporting which is a blow to Putin. They will take the scraps at their rate. Putin has damaged by far his biggest market Europe and undid 30 years of scheming, that won't repair in decades. They have sent there economy back around 30 years also already in an unrivalled recession. Its also just the start

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Dr Maria ****ina 🇺🇦
@maria_****ina
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An embargo on Russian oil and gas seems unlikely. There is a deep split between the countries, with 🇩🇪+🇭🇺 opposing the measure. The preference for banning coal is the least effective - the vast majority of 🇷🇺 revenue stems from O&G; Moscow can also redirect more coal to Asia

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China and Russia are sitting back and not supporting which is a blow to Putin. They will take the scraps at their rate. Putin has damaged by far his biggest market Europe and undid 30 years of scheming, that won't repair in decades. They have sent there economy back around 30 years also already in an unrivalled recession. Its also just the start

China has not said one word against the war, and the narrative being broadcast on China's media is clearly that of the Russian side and its view of the "special operation", again with us in the West being the "bad guys" - they are not sitting on any fence!

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https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/05/ukraine-crisis-italy-di-maio

Italy will not veto sanctions on Russian gas - foreign minister

ROME – Italy will not veto sanctions on Russian gas imports, Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio said on Monday, as European leaders called for more sanctions against Moscow after war crimes allegations in Ukraine.

““We have never vetoed sanctions … and we will not,” Di Maio told reporters in Zagreb.

Global outrage spread at civilian killings in north Ukraine, including evidence of bound bodies shot at close range and a mass grave found in areas retaken from Russian troops, as fighting raged on in the country’s south and east

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China has not said one word against the war, and the narrative being broadcast on China's media is clearly that of the Russian side and its view of the "special operation", again with us in the West being the "bad guys" - they are not sitting on any fence!

They have abstained in every vote at the un. It was big news at the time as Putin was hoping for them to vote no to add legitimacy. They also went to Beijing asking for aid even non military and were told no. China aren't daft they will sit back abstain and not help Russia, then buy products at reduced rate.

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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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In the #Izyum direction, the #Ukrainian Armed Forces for the first time used captured TOS-1A "Solntsepyok" against the #Russian army.

This was reported by the press secretary of the #Odessa administration Sergei Bratchuk

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Anonymous
@YourAnonNews
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13m
Breaking: Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence Agency has published the names, ranks, DOB, and passport numbers for Russian soldiers assigned to the 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade. This is the unit said to be responsible for war crimes in Bucha.
[Link]:
https://gur.gov.ua/content/voennye-prestupnyky-neposredstvenno-uchastvuiushchye-v-sovershenyy-voennykh-prestuplenyi-protyv-naroda-ukrayny-v-h-bucha-voennosluzhashchye-64-otdelnoi-motostrelkovoi-bryhady-35-oa-vvo.html

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207 meps now want full ban on oil,gas,Gazprom and swift. Also full military help tanks and planes ect

Jacek Saryusz-Wolski
@JSaryuszWolski
Call to:
- to impose crippling sanctions on Russia
- to arm Ukraine to the teeth

Letter to EU executives, from European Parliament,
signed by 207 EP Members


@b_judah
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12m
In Brussels, 207 out of 705 MEPs now in favour of what some officials have called “maximum Russia sanctions

[GRA]

The sickening scenes in Bucha are going to be the tip of the iceberg unfortunately. All wars fought over the last few decades have scenes like this. You don't have to look too far into the past, even from our own side unfortunately, look at the 'Killing squads' that roamed Iraq/Afghanistan. As abhorrent as it is, it was going to be an inevitable part of the invasion. And I wouldn't hold my breath to see justice served.

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The sickening scenes in Bucha are going to be the tip of the iceberg unfortunately. All wars fought over the last few decades have scenes like this. You don't have to look too far into the past, even from our own side unfortunately, look at the 'Killing squads' that roamed Iraq/Afghanistan. As abhorrent as it is, it was going to be an inevitable part of the invasion. And I wouldn't hold my breath to see justice served.

All wars have atrocities and rapes unfortunately. But they are usually done by an individual or done against soldiers. Also when things like Abu graibh prison was committed there were some although not enough prison sentences. The Russians are just denying it completely.
This is so shocking as it's the systematic slaughter of civilians. Srebrenica was the last time something like this was done in Europe

Whataboutery and these things happen is exactly what Russia wants

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https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1511339200142057472

@michaelh992
Another video of dead civilians in Bucha

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AFP News Agency
@AFP
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2m
#BREAKING UN says 'credible' claims Russia has used cluster bombs in populated Ukraine areas

[Kato]

China and Russia are sitting back and not supporting which is a blow to Putin. They will take the scraps at their rate. Putin has damaged by far his biggest market Europe and undid 30 years of scheming, that won't repair in decades. They have sent there economy back around 30 years also already in an unrivalled recession. Its also just the startThe 30 years of scheming won't be undone until all his paid for politicians in other countries are revealed for what they are. Le Pen is looking to get a huge amount of votes in the upcoming French elections, her party takes huge amounts of Russian money. Orban has just won in Hungary.

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AFP News Agency
@AFP
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1h
#BREAKING NATO chief says fears 'more atrocities' to be discovered in Ukraine in areas occupied by Russian troops

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The 30 years of scheming won't be undone until all his paid for politicians in other countries are revealed for what they are. Le Pen is looking to get a huge amount of votes in the upcoming French elections, her party takes huge amounts of Russian money. Orban has just won in Hungary.

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Hungry Serbia and Belarus have outed themselves a long timeago as **** bags. France is the basket case its mad that a right wing nutter can constantly be there or thereabouts. It will be undone insomuch as Putin will be poison. Russia will be on the outside until he goes. There economy and army will be a fraction of what they once were, for a very long time

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Wsj
Ukraine Quietly Receives Tanks From Czech Republic to Support War Effort
Move marks the first time a foreign country has provided tanks to Ukraine


OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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WSJ- The Czech Republic has sent T-72Ms to Ukraine

"So far, the Czech Republic has sent slightly more than a dozen modernized, Soviet-designed T-72M tanks, said Czech Deputy Defense Minister Tomáš Kopečný and another defense ministry official."

I am assuming they are T-72M1s

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Steve Herman
@W7VOA
· 16m
"Do you think the era of international law is over?" @ZelenskyyUa asks #UN Security Council, saying the body has failed to prevent previous tyrannies that would have prevented the #UkraineWar

OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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12m
Zelensky is absolutely going after the UN right now.

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@olliecarroll
I spoke to a survivor of Bucha summary shootings. He was only speaking to me because he had played dead on the concrete floor

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/04/05/one-killing-among-many-in-a-kyiv-suburb

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OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
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13h
U.S Defense Officials are reported that in addition to the AeroVironment built Switchblade 300 Tactical "Kamikaze" Loitering Munition that the U.S is sending the Ukrainian Military they will also Supply them with the New Switchblade 600 which carries a Javelin Anti-Armor Warhead

The Switchblade 600 is much Larger than the 300 and weighs over 50lbs while also having a 50 Mile Range as opposed to the 300 which weights 6lbs and has a 6 Mile Range, the 600 will allow Ukrainian Forces to take out Heavy Armor like Tanks from Long Distances Quickly


Woofers
@NotWoofers
· 13h
In addition to Switchbade 300 drones, which are for anti-personnel and lightly-skinned vehicle use, the US is also sending Switchblade 600 drones to Ukraine. These drones are armed with javelin warheads, being able to destroy any Russian armored vehicle

Woofers
@NotWoofers
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13h
Arrival of Switchblade 600s gives Ukrainian forces an opportunity to deal with Russian long-ranged fire capabilities. More important than killing tanks is killing artillery and MLRS batteries. Now the Ukrainian army has the ability to strike these targets easily and effectively

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Max Brooks
@maxbrooksauthor
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Mass murder uncovered in Ukraine, and the bank that built Auschwitz still puts profits before people

https://www.newsweek.com/deutsche-bank-ceo-warns-against-cutting-off-russian-gas-1694756

Deutsche Bank CEO Warns Against Cutting off Russian Gas

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Irony from isreal

Barak Ravid
@BarakRavid
· 1h
BREAKING: Israeli foreign minister Lapid accuses Russia of committing war crimes in Ukraine: “The images and testimony from Ukraine are horrific. Russian forces committed war crimes against a defenseless civilian population. I strongly condemn these war crimes

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Zelensky tells UN Security Council that Russia committing worst war crimes since WW: "Women were raped and killed in front of their children" with "their tongues pulled out".
He said "this is no different from Daesh [ISIS]" but it is "done by a member of the UN Security Council

They killed entire families, adults and children and they tried to burn the bodies.”
He finishes by telling the UN that if it can do nothing about this it should just dissolve itself

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Shaun Walker
@shaunwalker7
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50m
Me and photographer
@anastasiatl
spent two days in Trostianets after it spent 30 days under Russian occupation.

Systematic looting and violence has left people in this sleepy town close to Russia furious and disgusted with their neighbours

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/05/barbarians-russian-troops-leave-grisly-mark-on-ukraine-town-of-trostianets

[cabbageandribs1875]

Zelensky tells UN Security Council that Russia committing worst war crimes since WW: "Women were raped and killed in front of their children" with "their tongues pulled out".
He said "this is no different from Daesh [ISIS]" but it is "done by a member of the UN Security Council

They killed entire families, adults and children and they tried to burn the bodies.”
He finishes by telling the UN that if it can do nothing about this it should just dissolve itself


i've thought this for few years now, Russia and China always veto more sanctions on Rocket Man, disband the organisation and start afresh only adding countries that don't constantly use threats

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i've thought this for few years now, Russia and China always veto more sanctions on Rocket Man, disband the organisation and start afresh only adding countries that don't constantly use threats

Yep agreed pointless if they get a veto

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Phillips P. OBrien
@PhillipsPOBrien
A thread on claimed Russian losses, and why the Ukrainian official claims might be far more accurate than people think

Its important to be skeptical of any government claiming losses inflicted on an enemy, historically such figures can be grossly inflated. One extreme example was the Japanese government in World War II, which claimed to basically wipe out the US Pacific fleet in every battle

Only for the pesky Pacific Fleet to keep being amazingly rebuilt in a few months and appearing closer to Japan each time. As such, Ive never used official Ukrainian claims on Russian losses during this war. Here is the most recent claims

These claims might seem very high--though for the first time we actually have a tool for comparison. Open source intelligence based on photographic evidence. We can thus have a baseline comparison between minimum Russian losses and Ukrainian claims

For tanks, which the open source intelligence has excellent evidence about, the difference between Ukrainian claims (676) and proven losses (425) is actually not that large considering that the OSINT figure is a base line.

There would be a large number of Russian losses not recorded--such as those not photographed (probably the large majority which were lost in territory under Russian ain the south and east), those which have been recovered by the Russians and those which have not yet been entered

For those behind Russian lines, we can now assume those to be a very large number. Since the Russians pulled back from Kyiv, the database has been updated with approximately 50 new entries. Yet the Kyiv front only contained approx 30% of Russian forces

If Russian forces in the south and east have suffered similar loss rates during the war, we can say that there would be something close to 115-120 undocumented destroyed Russian tanks behind Russian lines.

As for hit Russian tanks that they would be trying to recover, those damaged, etc, I have generally been using a rate of 25% of documented losses to put this figure in perspective. This is actually a very low rate (in WW2 there would be a much higher rate of damaged to destroyed

So I am being relatively cautious in estimating that there is another 25% of Russian tanks that would have been hit compared to those documented as destroyed. As of yesterday, that would have been an additional 111

So if we add up documented losses (425) with a reasonable expection of undocumented losses behind Russian lines (min 115) with damaged tanks that the Russians would be trying to salvage (111), you end up with 651 lost tanks

That is only a little below the Ukrainian total of 676. So the Ukrainian claim, in historical terms, seems pretty reasonable and they might very well have hit 676 Russian tanks during the war so far

Been asked what percentage of overall Russian tanks that would be. Its not straightforward. If all Russian BTGs had a full compliment going into the invasion, that would be 1200

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