NO to reconstruction

[Kaiser1962]

Yes, I know it's the Daily Record, but I found this part interesting in their latest article:


"It’s understood some SPFL board members were left surprised at their last meeting when the topic of reconstruction was only raised by chief executive Neil Doncaster at the very end of the conference call.

It had not been on the agenda - and not all board members were aware of the full contents of the consultation document sent to the 42 clubs by email on Wednesday proposing the new set-up.

It had been dismissed by clubs previously, failing to win sufficient support with 11 of 12 Premiership outfits and 32 out of 42 clubs in total required to bring about a new league set up.

The Hampden source added: “Nothing has changed, but the executive are terrified of the ramifications of a legal defeat - and that’s why they repackaged their 14-10-10-10 proposal. They know Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer have a very good case.”


If the above is true, then it shows it is indeed Doncaster who is continuing to drive this issue.

The stench from this hasn't gone away.

I am still unsure what rules have actually been broken? Its not an ideal way to finish the season but the member clubs voted to do it so I fail to see what "legal route" is available to them.

Am I also right in thinking they are the only club whose players were forced to take a wage cut, not a deferment, despite having (potential) access to many millions?

[lucky]

I really hope they try and take the SPLF to court. As for having a legal team on stand by id have my doubts. The legal professionals that I know and deal with will always give you an opinion but that can change as things develop. But they are never on stand by and very rarely give you advice which is 100% water tight. The cost of going to court as going to be huge and I’d be amazed if they even tried to get an interdict to stop football. They’d become total piranha’s of Scottish football. As for their claims that only Hibs and Ross County are against it, they must have missed the comments by St Mirren through out this. Hopefully Monday kills this off once and for all

[flash]

It seems 95% of them think they would win legal action and 95% of us think they would lose.
It's almost as if it splits on partisan lines.

[KDY Hibs]

Saughton Jumbo knows the score, even getting his merry men to back his fantasies! Great stuff!

[Keith_M]

Why obsess over what some wierdo on Kickback posts?


:confused:

[Peevemor]

I really hope they try and take the SPLF to court. As for having a legal team on stand by id have my doubts. The legal professionals that I know and deal with will always give you an opinion but that can change as things develop. But they are never on stand by and very rarely give you advice which is 100% water tight. The cost of going to court as going to be huge and I’d be amazed if they even tried to get an interdict to stop football. They’d become total piranha’s of Scottish football. As for their claims that only Hibs and Ross County are against it, they must have missed the comments by St Mirren through out this. Hopefully Monday kills this off once and for all

https://youtu.be/WpGKE3lZ3NQ

[Stanton Spence]

Forgive me for sounding daft but can anyone tell me what laws or rules have been broken? Or which crime the spfl have actually commented. I'm surprised that they haven't tried to get ND remanded until the court case [emoji4]
Over in keekback they genuinely think that they have a water tight case and actually giving the spfl one last chance to reinstate back to big league. If they don't then it's Doncasters fault and he can't say he wasn't warned lol

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[Peevemor]

Forgive me for sounding daft but can anyone tell me what laws or rules have been broken? Or which crime the spfl have actually commented. I'm surprised that they haven't tried to get ND remanded until the court case [emoji4]
Over in keekback they genuinely think that they have a water tight case and actually giving the spfl one last chance to reinstate back to big league. If they don't then it's Doncasters fault and he can't say he wasn't warned lol

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[Onion]

After Doncaster’s cameo yesterday they still think he’s going to invoke this so called ‘Executive Power’ to save them and go against the clubs?? If those ITK over on broke back actually listen he calls it as it is. The clubs will decide!


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Don't think it's clear cut what SPFL will do here, yet. All he said is it would take a brave Board to go against the clubs wishes.

Let's imagine the indicative is 10-2 with Hibs and RC standing in the way of a 14 team league and the SPFL Board overrules and implemented the change (if they have that power). That would appease Hearts, stop any legal challenge, please the 10 other Prem clubs (incl Celtic and Sevco), please James Anderson who just plowed cash into the game with the promise of more to come and maybe even please Sky who'd have the Edin Derby back on. That's quite a prize.

The SPFL would then have to deal with Hibs and Ross County's concerns around the 14 team set up. That might be easier and cheaper than dealing with Hearts.

What this Covid problem confirms is that it's WHO is impacted that matters most. Had this been Hamilton at the foot of the table with no rich benefactors, no media pals and no loud-mouth owner this would be over by now. Any executive power the SPFL has to overrule the 11-1 could be a real dilemma for them.

[jacomo]

Next time you’re at Tynecastle then come along to the corporate suites and I’ll introduce you to the source. Then I’ll take you upstairs into the directors lounge and you can meet our benefactor there as Ive had many an invitation there and have met the man personally. Then when you’re In there you can pitch your Jambo credentials against mine and we’ll see who the biggest bull****ter is as I feel the stench of vermin is strong in you.


Would that be good enough for you?

Edited 7 hours ago by Saughton Jambo

So this is a "Good Hearts man" he gets to wander around the Directors lounge mingling with the great and the good then pops home to post about the VERMIN perhaps the great and the good should be made aware of the type "man" he his.


‘My source must remain anonymous but I’m willing to introduce them personally to any random keyboard warrior who doubts me.’

Aye ok then.

[AltheHibby]

I really hope they try and take the SPLF to court. As for having a legal team on stand by id have my doubts. The legal professionals that I know and deal with will always give you an opinion but that can change as things develop. But they are never on stand by and very rarely give you advice which is 100% water tight. The cost of going to court as going to be huge and I’d be amazed if they even tried to get an interdict to stop football. They’d become total piranha’s of Scottish football. As for their claims that only Hibs and Ross County are against it, they must have missed the comments by St Mirren through out this. Hopefully Monday kills this off once and for all

I think you mean "pariahs", but piranhas works for me!:greengrin

[flash]

‘My source must remain anonymous but I’m willing to introduce them personally to any random keyboard warrior who doubts me.’

Aye ok then.

That is where the mask completely slips.

[Since452]

Surely, if Hearts are going to take court action this may cost SPFL (or all teams) a total of £6m of which Hearts may get £5m in addition League and Europe on hold, then that goes against Budges saving Scottish football. It probably means they will put several clubs out of business to save themselves. Monday will be yet another deadline, which hopefully be the last, but as others have said maybe not !

And they would immediately overtake Rangers as the most despised club in Scotland. Either way there's no happy ending for them

[theonlywayisup]

Why obsess over what some wierdo on Kickback posts?


:confused:

Yes, I agree. Why are so many people posting what some random on Kickback states. Please give it a rest; if I was interested I would venture onto their website, which I can honestly say I've never done (well maybe once).

[Bostonhibby]

Who made up the 'executive powers' line? Is there such a thing in the rules? A quick look and the two words are never togetherComfort blanket they've latched onto, as it's a members organisation with voting rules they all signed up to and are bound by the "magic beans " option doesn't actually exist. Doncaster said as much himself in the latest interview.

Also worth noting when Mrs doctor Budge was on the board she made no attempt to alter the voting rules or constitution of the SPFL. She did famously say there were far too many top flight clubs though.



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[Aldo]

Don't think it's clear cut what SPFL will do here, yet. All he said is it would take a brave Board to go against the clubs wishes.

Let's imagine the indicative is 10-2 with Hibs and RC standing in the way of a 14 team league and the SPFL Board overrules and implemented the change (if they have that power). That would appease Hearts, stop any legal challenge, please the 10 other Prem clubs (incl Celtic and Sevco), please James Anderson who just plowed cash into the game with the promise of more to come and maybe even please Sky who'd have the Edin Derby back on. That's quite a prize.

The SPFL would then have to deal with Hibs and Ross County's concerns around the 14 team set up. That might be easier and cheaper than dealing with Hearts.

What this Covid problem confirms is that it's WHO is impacted that matters most. Had this been Hamilton at the foot of the table with no rich benefactors, no media pals and no loud-mouth owner this would be over by now. Any executive power the SPFL has to overrule the 11-1 could be a real dilemma for them.

Whilst you make a very good point I still don’t see it being forced through by Doncaster if it’s 10-2. I think he would leave himself open!

I also think it’ll be more than 2 teams. Hibs, RC, St Mirren and St Johnstone (both have indicated no). Things do change but I still think reconstruction will be a NO!


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[The Harp Awakes]

And they would immediately overtake Rangers as the most despised club in Scotland. Either way there's no happy ending for them

And apart from that their chances of success are slim. Budge knows this but she may be pressured into taking action by fans who are baying for blood.

Could be the latest in a long line of expensive mistakes by Budge. She may have been a successful business woman but she's been hopeless at running a football club.

[KDY Hibs]

Why obsess over what some wierdo on Kickback posts?


:confused:

More for amusement rather than obsession, apologies if it offends!

[Waxy]

Who made up the 'executive powers' line? Is there such a thing in the rules? A quick look and the two words are never together

If this was really true it would be a case of “the contracts not worth the paper its written on”

Whats the point of rules?
I would doubt very much executive powers could be used in something such as league reconstruction. especially when it was the SPFL board who put out the vote. They must have been happy with the current outcome or they wouldnt have put it to vote.

[Aldo]

And apart from that their chances of success are slim. Budge knows this but she may be pressured into taking action by fans who are baying for blood.

Could be the latest in a long line of expensive mistakes by Budge. She may have been a successful business woman but she's been hopeless at running a football club.

You would think she would take advice from a lawyer prior to diving in with both feet. Her ramblings of recent weeks have stopped however the media feed hasn’t. The ramifications of losing any court case would be huge for her and the club!

Roll on Monday


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[007]

Who made up the 'executive powers' line? Is there such a thing in the rules? A quick look and the two words are never together

I looked at the rules several days ago and IMO it is clear that the rules don't give Doncaster such powers.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?346044-NO-to-reconstruction&p=6197502&viewfull=1#post6197502

His comment about how it would be a brave board that didn't implement will of the clubs has been interpreted by deluded/desperate Jambos as him having that power. In reality, he knows the rules don't permit it however any company board can willfully ignore their Articles of Association / Rules and try and do what they like which is why he gave a solicitor's answer neither confirming or denying it.

In this case however, compared to a normal company board, it is the 42 member clubs that make these decisions and not the board. Doncaster said numerous times it is a democractic members organisation and the clubs' will, will prevail and if they vote for the status quo then that's what they'll get. He is not going to ignore the rules because he'd soon find himself out of a job.

[Springbank]

In a court case it would be interesting to see what was made of this point:

Budge apparently helped broker the benefactor's generous charitable donation to help Scottish football's fight against COVID-19.

In Hearts' restructuring "proposal" the COVID-19 funding was (falsely?) represented as coming from the club itself, contingent on a decision that was to Hearts' commercial advantage but contrary to the interests of clubs like Clyde, Peterhead and Cove.

I'd like to know if this was actually illegal or just immoral.

This is a very good question ^^^

I am reminded of previous jambo tears, where they tried to sue UEFA for unfair "expulsion" from the Cup Winners cup, on the grounds Mallorca's goalposts were not regulation size.

UEFA took it all the way.

Result - Hearts remained expelled AND were now given a fine on top.

More of the same coming up, I would suspect....

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Why would Hearts be one of the teams that make up the 14? Last time a team was expelled from the SPFL (rip Rangers) the relegated team (Dunfermline) that season remained relegated and Dundee were promoted (championship runners up).

The reason Dundee were selected over Dunfermline - SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster said the decision had been taken "purely on sporting integrity" and that Dundee were the "overwhelming" choice of the other clubs.

Source - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18850864

14 teams is still an awful suggestion IMO but if clubs vote for it then I hope that they remember the Sporting Integrity that was applied 8 years ago.

[Since452]

Neil Doncaster is a qualified solicitor. He isn't thick. The SPFL will have covered every angle of a potential legal case. The SPFL haven't imposed anything from the start, it's been down to the clubs at every turn.

[hibeerealist]

Don't think it's clear cut what SPFL will do here, yet. All he said is it would take a brave Board to go against the clubs wishes.

Let's imagine the indicative is 10-2 with Hibs and RC standing in the way of a 14 team league and the SPFL Board overrules and implemented the change (if they have that power). That would appease Hearts, stop any legal challenge, please the 10 other Prem clubs (incl Celtic and Sevco), please James Anderson who just plowed cash into the game with the promise of more to come and maybe even please Sky who'd have the Edin Derby back on. That's quite a prize.

The SPFL would then have to deal with Hibs and Ross County's concerns around the 14 team set up. That might be easier and cheaper than dealing with Hearts.

What this Covid problem confirms is that it's WHO is impacted that matters most. Had this been Hamilton at the foot of the table with no rich benefactors, no media pals and no loud-mouth owner this would be over by now. Any executive power the SPFL has to overrule the 11-1 could be a real dilemma for them.

Lets not give any credence to the 10-2 s hit e there are probably much more than two against the 10-2 eminated from an ITK Keekbacker who is a well known slaver.

[hibeerealist]

Why would Hearts be one of the teams that make up the 14? Last time a team was expelled from the SPFL (rip Rangers) the relegated team (Dunfermline) that season remained relegated and Dundee were promoted (championship runners up).

The reason Dundee were selected over Dunfermline - SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster said the decision had been taken "purely on sporting integrity" and that Dundee were the "overwhelming" choice of the other clubs.

Source - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18850864

14 teams is still an awful suggestion IMO but if clubs vote for it then I hope that they remember the Sporting Integrity that was applied 8 years ago.

I agree, why should it be Hertz why not Dundee up with ICT????

[Dibben]

If 14 teams get the go ahead, based on you can’t relegate a team after in 30 games, why is it ‘fair’ to promote ICT? Surely a legal case from Dundee as they only had 4 points to make up!

Hopefully common sense prevails and the worst team in the Premiership is relegated!

[Irish_Steve]

Hearts voted to end the season, accepting their relegation, unless reconstruction could be agreed, correct?

That being the case, what possible leg do they have to stand on? Reconstruction has been attempted, in at least 4 different ways.

The chip on their ‘expelled’ shoulder is going to be as big as Rangers and their liquidation at the end of this...

A lot of them think they have a case over the Dundee vote. As we all know, Dundee supposedly voted No but before the vote could be counted (it was in a span folder or something), the Dundee CEO called to say he wanted to re-consider his vote. Under the rules, those voting No had the right to change their choice although those voting Yes couldn't. And the 5pm "deadline" was only to try and get the vote in asap, again under the rules, teams had 28 days to make their decision. So,the Fartz think the original vote was cast, meaning the original resolution didnt pass. Phew

[bawheid]

When someone is pretending to be ‘in the know’, they generally give themselves away by trying to cover as many possible outcomes as possible, always banging on about how they have been consistent in always saying what they are now claiming to be the current truth, pretending that they can’t spill the entirety of their made-up horse**** because it ‘would betray their source’ and adapting the made-up story as soon as a journalist posts something on Twitter that contradicts it. You then get less brazen fantasists jumping on the bandwagon by claiming that they’ve heard the same thing, adding to the delusion.


That’s what I meant when I said I recognised his style...

[Real Emerald]

If 14 teams get the go ahead, based on you can’t relegate a team after in 30 games, why is it ‘fair’ to promote ICT? Surely a legal case from Dundee as they only had 4 points to make up!

Hopefully common sense prevails and the worst team in the Premiership is relegated!

I cannot see any way that clubs would be happy to restructure Scottish football with no proper planning. It’s only seven weeks before the season starts and all the new rules would need to be drawn up and agreed. Even if clubs were happy with the proposed league set up, it would be utter madness to bring a permanent reconstruction in without going through the necessary due diligence and rushed through in the middle of a pandemic. It WONT happen.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

I'm pretty sure it was Tom Clancy.

The guy that played in midfield for us a few seasons back? [emoji2369]

[ScottB]

A lot of them think they have a case over the Dundee vote. As we all know, Dundee supposedly voted No but before the vote could be counted (it was in a span folder or something), the Dundee CEO called to say he wanted to re-consider his vote. Under the rules, those voting No had the right to change their choice although those voting Yes couldn't. And the 5pm "deadline" was only to try and get the vote in asap, again under the rules, teams had 28 days to make their decision. So,the Fartz think the original vote was cast, meaning the original resolution didnt pass. Phew

By that logic, couldn’t any club that objects to the new structure sue to change it back on the same premise?

[Ozyhibby]

Don't think it's clear cut what SPFL will do here, yet. All he said is it would take a brave Board to go against the clubs wishes.

Let's imagine the indicative is 10-2 with Hibs and RC standing in the way of a 14 team league and the SPFL Board overrules and implemented the change (if they have that power). That would appease Hearts, stop any legal challenge, please the 10 other Prem clubs (incl Celtic and Sevco), please James Anderson who just plowed cash into the game with the promise of more to come and maybe even please Sky who'd have the Edin Derby back on. That's quite a prize.

The SPFL would then have to deal with Hibs and Ross County's concerns around the 14 team set up. That might be easier and cheaper than dealing with Hearts.

What this Covid problem confirms is that it's WHO is impacted that matters most. Had this been Hamilton at the foot of the table with no rich benefactors, no media pals and no loud-mouth owner this would be over by now. Any executive power the SPFL has to overrule the 11-1 could be a real dilemma for them.

They could then face legal challenge from Hibs and Ross County. Also 11-1 would be dead for good which Celtic and Rangers would not be happy with.


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[Mikey]

I reckon if the split looks like it'll be 10-2 it'll go to a vote to show that the SPFL have given it every chance. If it's 8-4 or worse (for Hearts!!) there's no need for a vote.

[inglisavhibs]

Why would Hearts be one of the teams that make up the 14? Last time a team was expelled from the SPFL (rip Rangers) the relegated team (Dunfermline) that season remained relegated and Dundee were promoted (championship runners up).

The reason Dundee were selected over Dunfermline - SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster said the decision had been taken "purely on sporting integrity" and that Dundee were the "overwhelming" choice of the other clubs.

Source - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18850864

14 teams is still an awful suggestion IMO but if clubs vote for it then I hope that they remember the Sporting Integrity that was applied 8 years ago.
The 14 team didn’t even get to a formal vote, and even if it did the lower leagues would not vote for it either. The judges summary on the South Shields case should be sent to Hearts. He rules that difficult decisions had to be made and there would always be some club feeling hard done by.

[duffers]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5697436/hearts-spfl-court-bid-medicine-county-macgregor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592039759

They are not taking this article too well over the road

[northgreen24]

It’s funny all this lets just override the vote (which’ ain’t gong to happen) if it was that easy when when they wanted to change the voting structure and Aberdeen stopped it did ND not say “ a well close enough”........in fact let’s just cancel bexit and be independent as they are close

as annoying as it is if not enough votes then tough that the little thing called a democratic Society

[Lee Marvin]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5697436/hearts-spfl-court-bid-medicine-county-macgregor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592039759

They are not taking this article too well over the road

These quotes as good as seal hearts fate. Macgregor cant bote yes after these statements now. Hibs' no vote sends the jambos down once and for all.

That's almost the perfect end to this saga for me

[FilipinoHibs]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5697436/hearts-spfl-court-bid-medicine-county-macgregor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592039759

They are not taking this article too well over the road
Ross County are rapidly becoming my second team.

[duffers]

I reckon if the split looks like it'll be 10-2 it'll go to a vote to show that the SPFL have given it every chance. If it's 8-4 or worse (for Hearts!!) there's no need for a vote.

If it was to go to a vote, theres absolutely no chance that Hibs or Ross County will be changing there minds, yet we would be another 7 days nearer to the season starting, which I can only assume is a bad thing for hearts.

Im assuming the SPFL couldn’t go to hearts on Monday and say, we have 2 absolute certain no votes in Hibs and Ross County, do you want us to proceed to a vote or are you happy for us to call it a day?

[Springbank]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5697436/hearts-spfl-court-bid-medicine-county-macgregor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592039759

They are not taking this article too well over the road

"The Highland Supremo" would be an excellent name for a Grand National winner, or as the official title of The Man Who Relegated Hearts.

[JohnMcM]

I reckon if the split looks like it'll be 10-2 it'll go to a vote to show that the SPFL have given it every chance. If it's 8-4 or worse (for Hearts!!) there's no need for a vote.

Tom English would spin that to "Half the teams in the league want reconstruction"

[brog]

I think you mean "pariahs", but piranhas works for me!:greengrin

I wondered who would bite! :greengrin

[hibbyfraelibby]

These quotes as good as seal hearts fate. Macgregor cant bote yes after these statements now. Hibs' no vote sends the jambos down once and for all.

That's almost the perfect end to this saga for me

You know what would be delicious...4 clubs other than Hibs and Saints voting against recon, both of us vote for it and they dont resurface.

Can you imagine their heads exploding as they couldn't vent their "vermin" seethe in our direction.

[GreenCastle]

Ross County are rapidly becoming my second team.

St Mirren probably mine the last few years !!

[Kojock]

"The Highland Supremo" would be an excellent name for a Grand National winner, or as the official title of The Man Who Relegated Hearts.

The Man Who Relegated Hearts - take a bow Jonathan Obika.

[04Sauzee]

Seen this on twitter from Freddie White

Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone, Ross County, along with at least 8 other teams from lower divisions all against it!

[green day]

[/B]
Tom English would spin that to "Half the teams in the league want reconstruction"

Ordinarily I would agree, but even TE has seen the way the wind is blowing with this based on his tweet yeasterday.

[04Sauzee]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5697436/hearts-spfl-court-bid-medicine-county-macgregor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592039759

They are not taking this article too well over the road

Imagine all clubs have asked for independent legal advice
Imagine all independent legal advise says there is no case to answer

That wouldn't sound to far fetched would it

[brog]

Don't think it's clear cut what SPFL will do here, yet. All he said is it would take a brave Board to go against the clubs wishes.

Let's imagine the indicative is 10-2 with Hibs and RC standing in the way of a 14 team league and the SPFL Board overrules and implemented the change (if they have that power). That would appease Hearts, stop any legal challenge, please the 10 other Prem clubs (incl Celtic and Sevco), please James Anderson who just plowed cash into the game with the promise of more to come and maybe even please Sky who'd have the Edin Derby back on. That's quite a prize.

The SPFL would then have to deal with Hibs and Ross County's concerns around the 14 team set up. That might be easier and cheaper than dealing with Hearts.

What this Covid problem confirms is that it's WHO is impacted that matters most. Had this been Hamilton at the foot of the table with no rich benefactors, no media pals and no loud-mouth owner this would be over by now. Any executive power the SPFL has to overrule the 11-1 could be a real dilemma for them.

I don't think there's any chance at all of it being 10-2. If it was then Tom English & the other lackeys would be talking it up big time & pointing out it only needed one team to change for recon to happen. Instead TE is saying Recon's dead & he doesn't know why ND is even bothering with this proposal. I appreciate the irony of what I'm saying here but let's not give 10-2 any credence whatsoever.

[weecounty hibby]

It seems 95% of them think they would win legal action and 95% of us think they would lose.
It's almost as if it splits on partisan lines.

It's more than that. 95% of them believe they have a case and they would win. 95% of EVERYONE ELSE that you speak to think they are talking *****!

[FilipinoHibs]

St Mirren probably mine the last few years !!

Over 35 years yes. One of my best mates buddie.Went with him to the LC final😁

[Peevemor]

Seen this on twitter from Freddie White

Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone, Ross County, along with at least 8 other teams from lower divisions all against it!I liked Freddie as a poster on here, but I would never bet serious money on any of his ITK stuff.

[Col2]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5697436/hearts-spfl-court-bid-medicine-county-macgregor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592039759

They are not taking this article too well over the road

Roy MacGregor is now in my top 3 of favourite non Hibs connected football people!

Says it how the rest of us think and a lot of fans of other clubs who are pissed off with this charade. The losers across the road want sympathy yet wave the threat of expensive legal action. Aye right, down you go and “take your medicine” as Roy says 👍

[brog]

It seems like 100 years ago now but which team was it said early on that they wouldn't pursue legal action because it was doubtful they could win. Falkirk/Partick? And that was before Doncaster carefully laid out his defence in plain view!

[147lothian]

Posted on JKB five minutes ago by Snedescu

"McGregor gets himself a testing machine and seems to think he is now some sort of football superpower!"

[Hibs90]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5697436/hearts-spfl-court-bid-medicine-county-macgregor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592039759

They are not taking this article too well over the road

He is absolutely spot on. Well said.

I feel more confident about it now.

[Since452]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5697436/hearts-spfl-court-bid-medicine-county-macgregor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592039759

They are not taking this article too well over the road

Ross County rapidly going up in my estimations. Best club in the Highlands

[neil7908]

He is absolutely spot on. Well said.

I feel more confident about it now.

Me too.

Nice to see a sensible, adult response to this whole farcical situation.

[GlesgaeHibby]

As much as it's funny laughing at Hearts predicament, the main reason we should be voting against this proposal isn't that it would see Hearts restored to the league, but that a permanent 14 team league with a 6/8 split is an utterly horrific proposal for a number of reasons.

That's what most of them also can't seem to get their head round. They see any opposition to this as an attack on Hearts, when the reality is that if Hearts had finished 11th or above they would also be calling this proposal out as farcical.

[calumhibee1]

It seems 95% of them think they would win legal action and 95% of us think they would lose.
It's almost as if it splits on partisan lines.

Trying to take off the green tinted specs I can’t see how they have any sort of case.

They voted for the season to end with them bottom of the league - everyone involved with Scottish football knew that meant Celtic win the league and Hearts relegated.

The clubs then vote on reconstruction under the rules of the league - which Hearts have already agreed to. If it doesn’t get the required number of votes, no reconstruction happens.

I might just be being very simple, but I have no idea what the court action is supposed to be based on? If they’d voted against the season ending or the league had ended it without a vote then I could understand - but that’s not what happened.

[Caversham Green]

Posted on JKB five minutes ago by Snedescu

"McGregor gets himself a testing machine and seems to think he is now some sort of football superpoer!"

He is the chairman of a Premiership club.

Ann Budge is not.

[EI255]

Ross County rapidly going up in my estimations. Best club in the HighlandsI like the club and their chairman.

Listen to what he says Jumbos!

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[CapitalGreen]

As much as it's funny laughing at Hearts predicament, the main reason we should be voting against this proposal isn't that it would see Hearts restored to the league, but that a permanent 14 team league with a 6/8 split is an utterly horrific proposal for a number of reasons.

That's what most of them also can't seem to get their head round. They see any opposition to this as an attack on Hearts, when the reality is that if Hearts had finished 11th or above they would also be calling this proposal out as farcical.

This. I’d rather Hearts were somehow saved from relegation and we retained the 12 team structure than change to the proposed 14 team structure. Regardless of what happens with Hearts they’d have likely been back up in a year anyway but if we switch to a 14 team league we are stuck with a shambles of a set up forever.

[Tug Wilson]

Was thinking about the practicalities of a 14 team league with a 6/8 split and the claim that the current set up is boring.

Currently if you are a Top 6 team then you will play the 5 other Top 6 teams a total of 20 times and the Bottom 6 teams a total of 18 times. And vice versa if you are a Bottom 6 team.

In the 14 team league a Top 6 team would play 20 games against Top 6 teams and 16 against Bottom 6. Not much change.

However, if you are a Bottom 8 team then you will only play the Top 6 teams 12 times and will get to play your fellow Bottom 8 teams 28 times!

TWENTY EIGHT!

Nearly 75% of the season for over half the league.

Barring the Old Firm and potentially Aberdeen, can any of the other clubs guarantee to be Top 6?

And don't get me started on play offs in leagues to decide places.

[EdinMike]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5697436/hearts-spfl-court-bid-medicine-county-macgregor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1592039759

They are not taking this article too well over the road

It honestly makes me think that during these troubling times I could become a “Journalist”

[Hibs90]

There are certainly going to be a number of press, chairmen and Ceo's going to either need police protection or be advised by the police not to attend Tynecastle in future.



A threat from one poster...

[GlesgaeHibby]

A threat from one poster...

Keyboard warrior.

Ross County Chairman isn't going to need protection at Tynie anyway, because he'll have no reason to be there - unless Hearts draw RC at home in the cup.

Fannies.

[FilipinoHibs]

A threat from one poster...

Aye they were going to come round to my work during their admin. Still waiting.

[Brightside]

I think at least 7 at the moment from SPL are against the 14 team league. Hibs, Ross C, St Mirren, Aberdeen, Celtic, Rangers, St Johnstone. Rangers were only interested in getting a 2nd team into the lower leagues - they have no requirement for more teams in the top league. I'd also expect Dundee Utd to vote to keep it at 12.

[Beefster]

Ross County are rapidly becoming my second team.

Any club that has Liam Fontaine in their squad is okay in my books.

[we are hibs]

Celtic previously came out and backed it.


According to the evening news that was. Apparently their actual statement said they were "open to it"

[007]

These quotes as good as seal hearts fate. Macgregor cant bote yes after these statements now. Hibs' no vote sends the jambos down once and for all.

That's almost the perfect end to this saga for me

It also makes it easier for others to vote 'no' knowing there are others with a similar opinion.

[Since452]

If Hearts are stupid enough to take this to court I hope they are charged with bringing the game into disrepute when they fail. Arrogant, odious wee club with ideas way above their station. Like MacGregor says, take your medicine.

[erin go bragh]

So if the rumours about the reconstruction being dead in the water are correct. That lot over the road go ahead with a court case and lose . Would that mean that they would have to pay all court costs :cb

[green day]

So if the rumours about the reconstruction being dead in the water are correct. That lot over the road go ahead with a court case and lose . Would that mean that they would have to pay all court costs :cb

Depends what was awarded. Sometimes people win a case and dont get costs.

[Iggy Pope]

Seen this on twitter from Freddie White

Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone, Ross County, along with at least 8 other teams from lower divisions all against it!

Freddie White.
Let’s hope he’s right.
He talks some *****.

[we are hibs]

Hearts fans are really lashing out at everyone and anyone now. Really sad to see them breaking down collectively like this.

[green day]

Freddie White.
Let’s hope he’s right.
He talks some *****.

Excellent rhyming couplets there :greengrin

[04Sauzee]

Freddie White.
Let’s hope he’s right.
He talks some *****.

Iggy Pope
You have to hope
He ain't no dope

[easty]

So if the rumours about the reconstruction being dead in the water are correct. That lot over the road go ahead with a court case and lose . Would that mean that they would have to pay all court costs :cb

They won’t take it to court

[Iggy Pope]

Iggy Pope
You have to hope
He ain't no dope

:greengrin

[Baader]

That lot have an awful lot of amateur lawyers now...

[greenginger]

So if the rumours about the reconstruction being dead in the water are correct. That lot over the road go ahead with a court case and lose . Would that mean that they would have to pay all court costs :cb

Has anyone over on kickback even considered what consequences could result from taking legal action against fellow members.

Suspension of license , expulsion from SPFL, being forced to rejoin at Lowland league level are a few option that spring to mind.

[Bristolhibby]

As much as it's funny laughing at Hearts predicament, the main reason we should be voting against this proposal isn't that it would see Hearts restored to the league, but that a permanent 14 team league with a 6/8 split is an utterly horrific proposal for a number of reasons.

That's what most of them also can't seem to get their head round. They see any opposition to this as an attack on Hearts, when the reality is that if Hearts had finished 11th or above they would also be calling this proposal out as farcical.

F them. I don’t care what they think. You are right BTW. A 14 team league is farcical.

J

[tamig]

I think at least 7 at the moment from SPL are against the 14 team league. Hibs, Ross C, St Mirren, Aberdeen, Celtic, Rangers, St Johnstone. Rangers were only interested in getting a 2nd team into the lower leagues - they have no requirement for more teams in the top league. I'd also expect Dundee Utd to vote to keep it at 12.
And like your 450k compo claim from yesterday - that remains unanswered - where did you get this nugget from? Or is this genuinely just you “thinking” that’s what the situation is with that list of clubs?

[Gatecrasher]

Hearts fans are really lashing out at everyone and anyone now. Really sad to see them breaking down collectively like this.

I find it hilarious personally :hilarious

[007]

Ordinarily I would agree, but even TE has seen the way the wind is blowing with this based on his tweet yeasterday.

He'll be giving it "the clubs have sealed their own fate..." "£6m compensation..." blah blah blah...

[tamig]

Celtic previously came out and backed it.


According to the evening news that was. Apparently their actual statement said they were "open to it"

Did saughton not also claim Celtic were hertz allies - according to his source? 😀

[Since90+2]

With Roy McGregor confirming they won't vote for reconstruction all we need to do is cast our vote accordingly. Done deal.

Cya jambos , cya pals!

[hibbyfraelibby]

Has anyone over on kickback even considered what consequences could result from taking legal action against fellow members.

Suspension of license , expulsion from SPFL, being forced to rejoin at Lowland league level are a few option that spring to mind.

East of Scotland League if you dont mind. There are now 6 tiers in the pyramid😉

[greenginger]

East of Scotland League if you dont mind. There are now 6 tiers in the pyramid😉

Edinburgh Amateur 7 th division was the bottom league in my footballing days. :greengrin

[007]

Was thinking about the practicalities of a 14 team league with a 6/8 split and the claim that the current set up is boring.

Currently if you are a Top 6 team then you will play the 5 other Top 6 teams a total of 20 times and the Bottom 6 teams a total of 18 times. And vice versa if you are a Bottom 6 team.

In the 14 team league a Top 6 team would play 20 games against Top 6 teams and 16 against Bottom 6. Not much change.

However, if you are a Bottom 8 team then you will only play the Top 6 teams 12 times and will get to play your fellow Bottom 8 teams 28 times!

TWENTY EIGHT!

Nearly 75% of the season for over half the league.

Barring the Old Firm and potentially Aberdeen, can any of the other clubs guarantee to be Top 6?

And don't get me started on play offs in leagues to decide places.

Said it a few times. Bottom 8 teams play 70% of their matches against the other bottom 8 teams. To make matters worse, Budge suggested 7th place should have a chance of Europe when it would only have 30% of it's matches against the top clubs.

[Kaiser1962]

I think at least 7 at the moment from SPL are against the 14 team league. Hibs, Ross C, St Mirren, Aberdeen, Celtic, Rangers, St Johnstone. Rangers were only interested in getting a 2nd team into the lower leagues - they have no requirement for more teams in the top league. I'd also expect Dundee Utd to vote to keep it at 12.

Accies? Any indication of their intentions? Cant see whats in it for them.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Seen this on twitter from Freddie White

Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone, Ross County, along with at least 8 other teams from lower divisions all against it!

Sorry if I’m being thick but who is Freddie White

[Kaiser1962]

They won’t take it to court

Never thought they would. They have no grounds to do so as far as I can see.

[Since90+2]

Sorry if I’m being thick but who is Freddie White

The Cat.

[inglisavhibs]

Has anyone over on kickback even considered what consequences could result from taking legal action against fellow members.

Suspension of license , expulsion from SPFL, being forced to rejoin at Lowland league level are a few option that spring to mind. I think they would have to apply for the East of Scotland League:cb

[calumhibee1]

I see in kickback that they now reckon teams voting based on their own self interest - Forfar looking forward to having Patrick in their league for example - is going to see them stroll the legal case.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure the clubs can use their vote to vote whatever way they wish to and for whatever reason they wish to.

[portohibee]

What i cant get my head round is all this infighting with everyone, threats of court action, 4 different proposals etc, is this not deflecting from the football side? where is the diamond daniel stendel? is he in the UK, if not is he coming back, will he have to quarantine for 14 days? will they need to get a new manager? they have let alot of players leave, no new signings, i think the astute business women has taken her eye off the ball, potter and chewbacca gone now so who is running the football side of things? When the league does start what kind of team will they have on show, surely this ****show is a huge disadvantage and distraction for preparations for the start of the season? I suspect, whatever league they start in next year they will struggle big time.

[we are hibs]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

[Since452]

Seen this on twitter from Freddie White

Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone, Ross County, along with at least 8 other teams from lower divisions all against it!

Nothing we didn't know already by reading on here

[Lago]

I wondered who would bite! :greengrin
Beats blaming spell check 😂

[Ozyhibby]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

Smarter strategy than threatening all your fellow clubs with legal action. Unfortunately Hearts have screwed that up for them.


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[green day]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

Do what we want or face the consequences...............

[Peevemor]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

12-12-10-10 would probably have passed. The only reason it hasn't been pushed is because it doesn't suit Hearts.

I feel sorry for Thistle (even if I don't rate their chairman), but Hearts have caused them more harm than everyone else put together.

[Since452]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

I do feel for them but unfortunately for them Hearts and Inverness have pissed too many clubs off with their attitude. There is very little sentiment in football as it is but all that there was has evaporated because of their hard line tactics.

[CapitalGreen]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

Seems like Thistle only care about themselves, what about the other League 1 clubs? Maybe they should be putting their energy into ensuring football can re-start for all next season.

[hibbyfraelibby]

14-10-10-10 requires two teams to come into League 2. Presumably everbody is assuming Kelty and Brora but last time I heard, around the last time Brora were in the play off spot, that BR saw promotion to League 2 as a "Financial Disaster" (quote from the Northern Times).

It was even rumoured they "threw" the play off match to avoid it. They have been remarkably quiet compared to the Fife mob.

If their stance is the same now L2 will only have 9 teams.

[B.H.F.C]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

That’s a load of rubbish as well IMO. I kind of get what they’re saying but they wouldn’t be saying it if it was someone else in their position.

Clubs aren’t rich enough to think about others. Why should Hibs, for example, vote for change knowing they’ll suffer for it financially by annoying a rather large element of their support.

Simple solution. Leave the premiership as is. It’s good to go. Find out who is able to start in the lower leagues and reconstruct them accordingly.

[Pete]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

That's the tone Hearts should've taken instead of their threatening stance.

I genuinely feel sorry for the other clubs.

[Scooter]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

I feel for them I also feel abit sorry for hearts. They deserve to go down but did deserve the chance to change position in last 7 games even though it would probably ended up in se position.

But teams cant vote through crap just to save clubs if there was a good proposal put forward for reconstruction then I'd be for it. But a 14 team 6 and 8 split after 20 odd games is terrible

[brog]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/


Patrick just went down in my estimation. A very poor statement with only one pertinent phase, ie ' do what is best for Scottish Football'. I don't see how a 14 team top league is best for Scottish Football & if it is why have Hearts & Patrick not proposed this previously?

[Waxy]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

Absolutely no sympathy for you anymore Partick.You know exactly why the top league cant have 14 clubs and you have had the last 10 weeks to propose your own 12-12-10-10 which probably still wouldnt have passed.
You still finished worst n a season that had to be cut short to save lives.
Other clubs shouldnt have to pay for your bad season.

[WhileTheChief..]

Has anyone over on kickback even considered what consequences could result from taking legal action against fellow members.

Suspension of license , expulsion from SPFL, being forced to rejoin at Lowland league level are a few option that spring to mind.

Would be pretty cool if a club chairman came out saying they will table a motion to expel Hearts from the league altogether if they pursue court action!

They’ll certainly lose any sympathy that clubs might have had for them if they keep banging on the way they are.

[green day]

Patrick just went down in my estimation. A very poor statement with only one pertinent phase, ie ' do what is best for Scottish Football'. I don't see how a 14 team top league is best for Scottish Football & if it is why have Hearts & Patrick not proposed this previously?

Agreed - its not the only bit, but these paragraphs are the biggest load of self serving pish I have seen for a while.

“We all want to protect our own club; Thistle is no different. But there’s a difference between that and self-interest, which seeks to protect a perceived advantage created by an unforeseen crisis.

“Don’t use your vote to settle old scores. Don’t reinforce rivalries between clubs just to keep fans happy. Don’t turn a blind eye because it doesn’t impact on you – this time"

The assumption that PTFC will do the right thing and Hibs wont? Twats.

[mal]

Bit of an own goal in the Thistle statement: "focus on doing the right thing for Scottish football". Given that the proposed restructure has the potential to seriously damage the game, on top of the impact of Coronavirus (with a likely No Deal Brexit to come), there's only one way to vote.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

“Our plea is simple: choose to do no harm.”

Voting for a 14 team top league would be choosing to do harm. Especially when there is no change to the leagues below the Premiership. The reconstruction proposal is not right and can’t be rushed through.

Yes I feel sorry for Partick but it (league ending) was voted for by the majority of clubs and the consequences of that vote were known by all.

[Tug Wilson]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

This statement perpetuates the idea (myth?) that clubs are only voting because of self-interest and rivalry.

A 14 team does not work and would be detrimental to the whole of Scottish football. Rejection of it is for the good of all.

Sympathise with Thistle but we cannot screw up Scottish football to save a few clubs at the expense of the rest.

Would I say the same if it wasn't Hearts getting relegated? Absolutely. It being Hearts is just more fun.

[JohnMcM]

I feel for them I also feel abit sorry for hearts. They deserve to go down but did deserve the chance to change position in last 7 games even though it would probably ended up in se position.

But teams cant vote through crap just to save clubs if there was a good proposal put forward for reconstruction then I'd be for it. But a 14 team 6 and 8 split after 20 odd games is terrible

That's pretty much where I am. It doesn't excuse the actions of some clubs though.

[Pete]

I don't get the hostility towards this Partick statement.

They're asking us, for once, to think about the game as a whole and not in individualistic terms due to extraordinary circumstances. Your small sacrifice will help offset their huge, unjust one.

They're asking, they're not telling...or even threatening.

[Carheenlea]

Who do Partick Thistle think are “settling old scores” or “reinforcing rivalries to keep their fans happy“?

Reads very much like a pop at us.

[NC1875]

That statement is terrible. I’m sorry but just get this over and done with. If they hadn’t been bottom of the table would hearts or Partick be voting for this farce of a 14 team league. Would they ******.

[matty_f]

I see in kickback that they now reckon teams voting based on their own self interest - Forfar looking forward to having Patrick in their league for example - is going to see them stroll the legal case.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure the clubs can use their vote to vote whatever way they wish to and for whatever reason they wish to.

:faf: "So M'lud, I put it to you that those clubs voted in such a way to get what they wanted, and therefore you must find in Hearts' favour."

"Isn't that the whole point of a vote?"

"Yes, M'Lud, but it's not fair. We're the big team, 5-1 and all that"

"Case dismissed'"

[Real Emerald]

I don't get the hostility towards this Partick statement.

They're asking us, for once, to think about the game as a whole and not in individualistic terms due to extraordinary circumstances. Your small sacrifice will help offset their huge, unjust one.

They're asking, they're not telling...or even threatening.

They’re asking us to rush through a permanent reconstruction to a worse system that we have now. A 14 team premiership will permanently damage Scottish football, crowds, sponsorship and TV deals. No rushed permanent reconstruction should ever be considered.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Who do Partick Thistle think are “settling old scores” or “reinforcing rivalries to keep their fans happy“?

Reads very much like a pop at us.

Lol glad I’m also that blinkered

I thought it was a shot at us too

[SouthMoroccoStu]

The Cat.

Cheers

[Pete]

Who do Partick Thistle think are “settling old scores” or “reinforcing rivalries to keep their fans happy“?

Reads very much like a pop at us.

It may also be a plea to the boards of Ross County, and Partick thistles enemies...who ever they are.

Either way the boards MUST vote in line with what their fans want and if that seems petty then so be it.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/
Save The Jags Part II

[Pete]

They’re asking us to rush through a permanent reconstruction to a worse system that we have now. A 14 team premiership will permanently damage Scottish football, crowds, sponsorship and TV deals. No rushed permanent reconstruction should ever be considered.

I agree but the key is that they're 'asking', unlike some others we could mention.

[matty_f]

Take Hearts out of the equation, it's a terrible proposal and will damage Scottish football. That in itself should be enough for folk to knock it back.

[we are hibs]

"If the shoe was on the other foot" then they'd be against reconstruction. If either 3 clubs were offered a solution that saves them alone but not the other 2 clubs then they would take it and say **** the rest. Theyre lying if they believe that this doesnt count as self interest.

[Real Emerald]

Take Hearts out of the equation, it's a terrible proposal and will damage Scottish football. That in itself should be enough for folk to knock it back.

And it’s permanent, it would be very difficult to ever change it back. Why would a huge decision like this ever be rushed through? It won’t happen for all the right reasons and not because of rivalries.

[FilipinoHibs]

It's over. Practically no mention on Off The Ball or from Richard Gordon of reconstruction. Gordon said it is dead.

[Aldo]

I get it it’s hard for teams at the bottom but it’s all ifs buts and maybes. They are bottom for reason.

Statement is all about their self interest yet she asked that clubs don’t do it for self interest reasons.


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[brog]

I agree but the key is that they're 'asking', unlike some others we could mention.

Agreed, but I repeat. If this suggested new structure will benefit Scottish Football then why haven't they, & Hearts, proposed it previously? For these 2 to try & take the moral high ground on this issue is beyond hypocrisy.

[007]

12-12-10-10 would probably have passed. The only reason it hasn't been pushed is because it doesn't suit Hearts.

I feel sorry for Thistle (even if I don't rate their chairman), but Hearts have caused them more harm than everyone else put together.

Yes, 12-12-10-10 should have been put on the table. The format with 14 clubs is terrible and using the same format in the Championship as that in the Premiership would probably have improved it.

A lot of clubs will have already voted, surely they're not expecting people to retract a no and change it to yes which they criticised Dundee of.

[HibbySpurs]

Lol glad I’m also that blinkered

I thought it was a shot at us too

I took it as a direct pop at Hibs as well if I’m being honest.

[Peevemor]

I took it as a direct pop at Hibs as well if I’m being honest.Me too. As I said before, I don't rate her at all.

[MartinfaePorty]

'Take Hearts out of the equation, it's a terrible proposal and will damage Scottish football. That in itself should be enough for folk to knock it back.'

This 100%

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[KeithTheHibby]

I took it as a direct pop at Hibs as well if I’m being honest.

And possibly Ross County. To be honest could be a pop at a lot of teams. Having Hearts and Partick is a pretty attractive situation to clubs in the championship and league 1 with the away fans they are likely to bring.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Partick statement:


https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-13th-june-2020/

''At a time unparalleled in footballing history, countries throughout Europe have re-jigged their league set ups to protect the whole – we have the opportunity to do the same.''

Have they? Maybe they have, but not sure what examples there are.
The idea that there should be 'no losers', 'nobody should suffer' etc is ridiculous, we might as well stop playing for good if that's the attitude.

The team finishing at the bottom of the league ARE losers and SHOULD suffer, not because of the unparalleled circumstances, but through their league position, if they shouldn't then why should anyone else be denied what hypothetically they might have achieved if we weren't in such unparalleled times? Following this ludicrous logic, Rangers are entitled to a champions league place, we are entitled to Europe, as are St Johnstone, Livi & anyone else who could mathematically have got into a qualifying position, and should all be jumping up & down demanding it, even more so those in Championship who could have caught DUTD, and have also lost out on a potential play-off, it's a nonsense.

[Peevemor]

And possibly Ross County. To be honest could be a pop at a lot of teams. Having Hearts and Partick is a pretty attractive situation to clubs in the championship and league 1 with the away fans they are likely to bring.That's nothing to do with "reinforcing rivalries to keep their fans happy".

[Billy Whizz]

The championship and lower leagues have plenty of to go 12-10-10 if the want
There not due to start until October. Wonder if Budge will champion this, to save Partick, and bring Falkirk up too

[Dibben]

The championship and lower leagues have plenty of to go 12-10-10 if the want
There not due to start until October. Wonder if Budge will champion this, to save Partick, and bring Falkirk up too

Great shout. Leave the big boys alone just now and let the smaller lower league teams sort out some form of reconstruction that will see none of the lower teams suffer...

Genius!! 😂👍🏻

[EskbankHibby]

I don't get the hostility towards this Partick statement.

They're asking us, for once, to think about the game as a whole and not in individualistic terms due to extraordinary circumstances. Your small sacrifice will help offset their huge, unjust one.

They're asking, they're not telling...or even threatening.

I agree with you.

Had the teams pushing for reconstruction used this carrot/reasonable approach, as opposed to the stick that Hearts seem to think they have, maybe other fans/clubs may have looked upon them more benevolently.

Hearts have pushed this "help us or else" passive aggressive nonsense which would never have worked with other fans/clubs, it just raises their hackles, always going to fail.

Another huge error of judgement from our pink chums and their leader.

[Baader]

Please drop your self-interest and support our self-interest basically.

[Since452]

Yes, 12-12-10-10 should have been put on the table. The format with 14 clubs is terrible and using the same format in the Championship as that in the Premiership would probably have improved it.

A lot of clubs will have already voted, surely they're not expecting people to retract a no and change it to yes which they criticised Dundee of.

It's the most logical format but has never been on the table as wouldn't benefit Hearts.

[brog]

We know that Hearts famously & uniquely owed all their outstanding debts to themself. If they go to court for being relegated will this be the 1st time that an entity has sued themself for taking a decision that they voted in favour of? Can't see how any legal action could possibly fail! 😁

[we are hibs]

Tom English back to being Tom English on twitter. Welt.

[Rumble de Thump]

Wasn't Partick's Jacqui Low one of the people unfairly slagging off a fellow chairman in a sleekit wee WhatsApp group chat?

[Box 17]

Here comes Sportsound. Even the introduction suggests a pro-reconstruction slant.

[Peevemor]

Wasn't PArtick's Jacqui Low one of the people unfairly slagging off a fellow chairman in a sleekit wee WhatsApp group chat?Yep. Nae class.

[Waxy]

Partick statement lies. No other country has rejigged their league.

[Bostonhibby]

We know that Hearts famously & uniquely owed all their outstanding debts to themself. If they go to court for being relegated will this be the 1st time that an entity has sued themself for taking a decision that they voted in favour of? Can't see how any legal action could possibly fail! [emoji16]All of that, plus they are an equal £1 shareholder in, and member of the body they intend suing.

Could come in very handy if the SPFL is unable to pay them the millions they're expecting, they could knock Hearts £1 liability off then offer Hearts the other members £1 each and if that doesn't solve it rely on Hearts experience of bumping their creditors to help the SPFL go into administration.

Everyone's a winner.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

just heard the harry wraggs statement, did budge write it for her, loady crap, please we beg of you, don't vote against out of self interest, hypocrites, right the wrongs bleh bleh bleh

[Potty78]

Reporter on sportsound saying he has heard from 2 clubs in spl who are saying no,am not sure hibs will be one of the 2 they have spoke too though as I think hibs like to keep quiet until they feel its correct to speak!

[Waxy]

As always has been hearts and partick using the covid situation to avoid being relegated.
They have been unlucky but dont deserve to stay up.
They have to take their medicine as someone said.

[HFC93]

Surely Sportsound is in breach of the BBC's editorial guidelines? No balance at all.

[green day]

Surely Sportsound is in breach of the BBC's editorial guidelines? No balance at all.

Daryl Broadfoot is good.

Turning off now. the rest are pish, Neil Mccann is an idiot.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Daryl Broadfoot is good.

Turning off now. the rest are pish, Neil Mccann is an idiot.


i did the same, first i've listened for 3 weeks and i only lasted 20 mins

[The Count]

Daryl Broadfoot is good.

Turning off now. the rest are pish, Neil Mccann is an idiot.

Me too turned it off as soo as i heard Neil McCann.How he gets on the radio is beyond me.Hope he gets the Hearts job can do the talk talk but as seen at Dundee he does not do the walk walk.

[Real Emerald]

Daryl Broadfoot is good.

Turning off now. the rest are pish, Neil Mccann is an idiot.

Neil McCann talking about a temporary reconstruction and how it can work. So he’a peddling a 14 team league but realises it’s rotten and now trying turn the proposal to temporary rather than the permanent proposal on the table. Where do they get these useless brain dead biased bampots from?

[we are hibs]

What an absolute moron.

[steviehibsleith]

Motherwell manager saying they haven’t made a decision yet.
Looks to be this 10-2 is bull if they asked for a vote it would be more clubs saying no. Just not saying anything so they are not bad guys.

That muppet Mcann doesn’t realise by keep saying temporary he’s actually saying I know 14 teams is a terrible setup he just want to change to save hearts.

[The Count]

Neil McCann talking about a temporary reconstruction and how it can work. So he’a peddling a 14 team league but realises it’s rotten and now trying turn the proposal to temporary rather than the permanent proposal on the table. Where do they get these useless brain dead biased bampots from?

What gets me guys like McCann,Dodds etc leave the BBC fail as managers then are welcomed back.Why?

[hibeerealist]

I took it as a direct pop at Hibs as well if I’m being honest.

Yep, no doubt influenced by her discussions with the Calimero Club - Budgie - who are pushing 14, not because it is better for Scottish football, but it saves Hertz!

[JimBHibees]

Wasn't Partick's Jacqui Low one of the people unfairly slagging off a fellow chairman in a sleekit wee WhatsApp group chat?

Pretty sure she was. She should have developed a backbone and recommended 12 12 10 10 set up. More premier teams would have supported.

[Waxy]

Surely Sportsound is in breach of the BBC's editorial guidelines? No balance at all.

Its been radio hearts since they were relegated.
For a national broadcaster they are a disgrace for not being able to see the other side of the arguement.

[The 90+2]

How is league reconstruction permanently to a ***** format of 14 teams and a horrible split for a bottom 8 for the good of all the clubs in Scottish football? Partick and Hearts will probably go down for one season, this will be ***** for all the Scottish clubs, including the lower leagues who will never get a larger league in L1/2 as they want. It’s utter ***** for many of the clubs in the country.

[hibeerealist]

What an absolute moron.

Complete e rs e!!

[Hibee87]

Pretty sure she was. She should have developed a backbone and recommended 12 12 10 10 set up. More premier teams would have supported.

Not sure a 12 12 10 10 setup would require a premiership vote would it? If top league didn't change, they would have no say surely?

[hibeerealist]

Pretty sure she was. She should have developed a backbone and recommended 12 12 10 10 set up. More premier teams would have supported.

She probably would be happy with 12-12-10-10 BUT THAT DOES NOT SUIT HERTZ!

ONLY a 14 team Premier (or at least 14) nothing else will do, to hell with Scottish football it is only Hertz I am interested in!! Thanks for finally confirming what we all thought AB!!

[Peevemor]

What an absolute moron.Clubs should stop players and staff having anything to do with stuff he's involved in.

[Springbank]

Daryl Broadfoot was quite good

Basically, yes, there's an argument that "it's no fair" whatever you do
This weekend is the last lament as the hearts dream dies

[Spike Mandela]

This statement perpetuates the idea (myth?) that clubs are only voting because of self-interest and rivalry.

A 14 team does not work and would be detrimental to the whole of Scottish football. Rejection of it is for the good of all.

Sympathise with Thistle but we cannot screw up Scottish football to save a few clubs at the expense of the rest.

Would I say the same if it wasn't Hearts getting relegated? Absolutely. It being Hearts is just more fun.

Exactly this. This statement suggests if you do not vote for this ridiculous 14 team league you are just settling old scores what a load of pish. Really annoys me that.

Nobody, nobody at all has suggested a 20, 18 or 16 team league. They all save Hearts and Partick. None of these get touted as Rangers, Celtic and a plenora of other clubs want their 4 games against the bigger teams. Nothing said about that.

A 14 team league is a nonsense and purely designed to save one team. Partick are deluding themselves if they think they are even a consideration in this. They are just another bargaining chip for Hearts to say “look we care about wee teams” when clearly they don’t.

Please somebody end this nonsense now. Take it to court, do whatever just get this farce over with.

[green day]

I am sure that next Saturday - after this nonsense is in the bin that the BBC will have a panel of Roy McGregor, Dempster, and Broadfoot just to give a wee bit of balance.

Now that would be a hoot.

[CapitalGreen]

St Mirren are fan-owned or partly anyway. There is no way they will vote in favour of reconstruction after the abuse their fans have taken from Jambos over the last couple of months.

Maybe if Budge and their fans had approached this in a civil, non-confrontational manner they may have elicited more sympathy and ha d a chance of recon going through. At the end of the day they only have themselves to blame really.

[Irish_Steve]

Well, like Saughton Jambo, bizarrely I have my own (ex) Hearts source.

Met him this morning when he was out walking his dog and we used to meet all the time when I had my dog so I asked him, Billy, any idea what`s going on. His reply made me laugh out loud - "I haven`t a clue" - not quite sure if this was his overall outlook on life these days but I went on my way again

[Eyrie]

Well, like Saughton Jambo, bizarrely I have my own (ex) Hearts source.

Met him this morning when he was out walking his dog and we used to meet all the time when I had my dog so I asked him, Billy, any idea what`s going on. His reply made me laugh out loud - "I haven`t a clue" - not quite sure if this was his overall outlook on life these days but I went on my way again

I'd trust your source to be more accurate than Saughton Jambo's source.

Mind you, I'd probably trust Trump to be more accurate.

[CockneyRebel]

How is league reconstruction permanently to a ***** format of 14 teams and a horrible split for a bottom 8 for the good of all the clubs in Scottish football? Partick and Hearts will probably go down for one season, this will be ***** for all the Scottish clubs, including the lower leagues who will never get a larger league in L1/2 as they want. It’s utter ***** for many of the clubs in the country.


Aye, what's with all the "save us" pleading about? They have been relegated not liquidated (unfortunately).

[Jones28]

What an absolute moron.

But they aren’t doing the best for all the clubs in Scotland, they’re doing the best for 3 clubs and hang the rest.

What more is there to understand about this?

[Hibs90]

Who do Partick Thistle think are “settling old scores” or “reinforcing rivalries to keep their fans happy“?

Reads very much like a pop at us.

Almost definitely.

the comment about doing the best for scottish football is pish. It's exactly the same as what Budge said just in less provocative terms. Accusing everyone of acting in self-interest and all this nonsense about egos when that is exactly what Partick are doing. See if a club who won't suffer had come out with a statement like that you could probably get on board.

**** them.

[WhileTheChief..]

Well, like Saughton Jambo, bizarrely I have my own (ex) Hearts source.

Met him this morning when he was out walking his dog and we used to meet all the time when I had my dog so I asked him, Billy, any idea what`s going on. His reply made me laugh out loud - "I haven`t a clue" - not quite sure if this was his overall outlook on life these days but I went on my way again

Billy you say?

He’s been places.

[JohnMcM]

Billy you say?

He’s been places.

Didn't he want to be a hero at one time?

[greenpaper55]

Every year teams are relegated and there will be an element of hard luck with most of them but the bottom line is they were crap. The Scottish league could have been played out and the positions of these teams could have been the same and the fact the league was called early is unfortunate but one they will have to swallow. Partick were in the SPL a couple of years ago and their fall from grace has been dramatic but its no one else's fault other than the bad choices they have made and the same goes for the Hearts-tough !

[Dr What If?]

I've never been a fan of the current set up and I'm going to throw this out there.....I don't see that big a problem with 14 teams, don't want to be in the bottom 8.....well you have 26 games to make sure your not. My favoured position would be 2 divisions...a 14 and a 20 something with regional pyramid below, it would make being in the pro leagues mean something. I know that model would never get support, far too many teams protected by the multi divisional model....jeopardy might be exciting and create a cracking spectator product, not something clubs particularly like though.
What worries the hell out of me about this though is that we are not looking at reconstruction for the better of the game, we are doing it to save a team going down....we are making the product less exciting and setting a very worrying president.....big club it trouble, change the rules.
The governing bodies have come in for a lot of criticism for as long as I can remember now and little wonder, we have a protectionist system that cares only about the bigger clubs, lets the OF hoard talent, stifles development and erodes the product. As a result our clubs (including us) expect to get turfed out of European competition before we get to the first round and our national team are not even seen as a threat in qualification groups.....given the status of the game here it is a scandal!
I for one am shocked at the fake calls for reform.....its not addressing a single issue in our failing game and if anything is highlighting just one of the reasons it is in the state it is in. Reconstruction is part of our solution, but not like this and not for this reason......and I would be saying that if it was Ross, St Mirren, Motherwell, etc. bottom of the league. I am sure it will fail, but it will probably take genuine future discussion of reconstruction with it.

[Gmack7]

Seen this on twitter from Freddie White

Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone, Ross County, along with at least 8 other teams from lower divisions all against it!
I'll be very surprised if St mirren vote yes

[mal]

Exactly this. This statement suggests if you do not vote for this ridiculous 14 team league you are just settling old scores what a load of pish. Really annoys me that.

...

A 14 team league is a nonsense and purely designed to save one team. Partick are deluding themselves if they think they are even a consideration in this. They are just another bargaining chip for Hearts to say “look we care about wee teams” when clearly they don’t.

Please somebody end this nonsense now. Take it to court, do whatever just get this farce over with.

Absolutely correct. It shouldn't be forgotten that Hearts' initial proposed 14-14-14 structure consigned Stranraer to the bottom* division just the same as the decision to terminate the season on PPG does.

*Proponents of 14-14-14 will pretend that's not significant because it would still be the third tier but the fact is that in both structures League 1 would be two promotions from the Premiership; in 12-10-10-10 League 1 is two relegations from being consigned to the Highland/Lowland Leagues, in 14-14-14 you're only one relegation away. Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Cove would have been placed in that precarious position, at risk of falling out of the league structure after one bad season whereas now they are safe from that.

This has all only ever been about Hearts not accepting relegation because of their sense of entitlement.

[MrSmith]

Maybe someone more articulate on here could contact Partick Thistle - [email protected] - to put them right on a couple of issues and suggest they propose a 12-12-10-10 reconstruction?

[lord bunberry]

After this ridiculous proposal is binned why don’t Partick propose 12 12 10 10. I can’t see why anyone would have any objections to that.

[strummbo]

yep this saughton jambo guy... claims to be in the know and friends with directors and high up folk at the club. And yet he refers to Hibs folk as vermin and all manner of derogatory guff. so the board et al at yam castle know who he is and yet he's apparently in with the bricks. that sums them idiots up. an absolute roaster with a big flappy trap. him and that ethan hunt fella... the best of their worst. couple of ignorant sectarian biggest. Nd yet they are in with the bricks. Sums them up. Funds

[JohnMcM]

After this ridiculous proposal is binned why don’t Partick propose 12 12 10 10 (tel:12 12 10 10). I can’t see why anyone would have any objections to that.

It doesn't keep Hearts up :wink:

[The 90+2]

Aye, what's with all the "save us" pleading about? They have been relegated not liquidated (unfortunately).

Exactly.

[Irish_Steve]

yep this saughton jambo guy... claims to be in the know and friends with directors and high up folk at the club. And yet he refers to Hibs folk as vermin and all manner of derogatory guff. so the board et al at yam castle know who he is and yet he's apparently in with the bricks. that sums them idiots up. an absolute roaster with a big flappy trap. him and that ethan hunt fella... the best of their worst. couple of ignorant sectarian biggest. Nd yet they are in with the bricks. Sums them up. Funds

Another poster on there outed Leslie Deans as his source only to be told to shut up lol

[Onion]

But they aren’t doing the best for all the clubs in Scotland, they’re doing the best for 3 clubs and hang the rest.

What more is there to understand about this?

Every time Sevco laughingly hijack "sporting integrity" and Hearts spout "for the good of football" the happier I am that they're getting sorted out. The more the media and their thick-as-**** apologists bleat and whine about their relegation the more it confirms that the decision to EJECT and REJECT Hearts again, and again and again, has been spot on. Roll on Monday - hopefully a Black Monday for the Yams.

[mal]

I've never been a fan of the current set up and I'm going to throw this out there.....I don't see that big a problem with 14 teams, don't want to be in the bottom 8.....well you have 26 games to make sure your not.

It doesn't matter how much individual teams try to get into the top 6, there would always be 8 teams in the bottom 8. There would always be a number of teams with nothing to play for for more than a third of the season, resulting in lower attendances, lower income, less money for player recruitment and a lowering of the quality of the league.

[Irish_Steve]

Billy you say?

He’s been places.

He has and he`s quite willing to tell anyone who wants to listen. I actually don`t mind him as he does have some cracking stories to tell, I`ve never been one to hate someone because of who they support or even worked for. The "vermin" chat on Brokeback is just absolutely cringeworth

[Peevemor]

Wow!

"There's been quite a bit of debate over the last few pages regarding the possibility that we are sued for damages should we lose a court action.

The first thing to say is that my view is that we will win any court action. That is just opinion based on my interpretation of the merits of our case.*Some on here disagree and I am sure people like Roy McGregor do as well.

However let's suppose we do lose. The question posed is whether or not we in turn could be sued for damages. The poster who works in the English legal system suggests that there we could not*be sued and the position in Scotland is much the same.

But, the potential exposure for us is in connection with any interim interdict we might seek. An interdict is simply a court order that forbids someone from doing something. We would be asking the court at the start of the action to forbid the SPFL from*proceeding with the premiership without us.

I have posted before that there are 2 considerations for the court. Is there a prima facie case and, if there is, is it appropriate on the balance of convenience to grant the interdict?

I think we can all accept that there is a prima facie case here. Remember, that is not the court deciding we will win, merely that we have a reasonable case.

The court then has to think about convenience. In coming to a view, the court will consider the consequences of either side winning the case. If we lose, then there is the potential for Scottish football to lose a huge amount of money if an interdict stopped the season starting. The SPFL would be asked to quantify that as best they can.

We are likely to have included details of our financial claim already.

I should say that the SPFL will have lodged a caveat. This means that if we seek an interim interdict, it would be opposed.

I have been involved in an application for interim interdict where it was granted on the basis that the pursuer undertook to cover the losses of the defendant should he ultimately lose. That does not mean the same would happen here. That was because the pursuer's case was pointless if the interim interdict were not granted. In that case, the purser did end up losing.

In this case, the court is likely to consider the relative merits of the case and those will be argued to some extent by the parties.

From what I can see, it is likely that the court will be swayed quite strongly by the circumstances surrounding the first resolution. The argument there is that if that vote is unlawful, all decisions following on from it fall. I strongly suspect that the court will take the view that the SPFL needs to convince it that reconstruction is impossible, otherwise it will grant an interdict - and without strings attached to it. Effectively, the court would be telling the parties to go and sort it out.

It seems to me that the prospect of the court granting an interim interdict with us being obliged to cover the losses to Scottish football are next to nil. The reason for that is that if we don't prevent our expulsion in the case, we still have a compensation claim. In other words, on the balance of convenience it is not necessary to grant the interdict.

What all of this means is that it is almost inconceivable that defeat in the courts will cost us anymore than our costs and the SPFL's costs.

Do I think we will get an interim interdict - on balance, yes, but it is a close call.

More importantly, do I think the SPFL will defend the case at all - no. I think that the board will bottle using its Executive powers and our action will be drafted in such a way that we are simply seeking reinstatement to the premiership. The SPFL as a whole has no interest in defending that - after all, it is what the majority want.

Sorry for the lengthy post."


Jambo66 taking zoomerism to new levels.

Right from the start he speaks about England and Scotland, whereas the only place that Hearts can attack the SPFL is in a Swiss tribunal.

He then outlines point by point the court ruling in hearts favour on every point. He never once explains why.

[The 90+2]

He has and he`s quite willing to tell anyone who wants to listen. I actually don`t mind him as he does have some cracking stories to tell, I`ve never been one to hate someone because of who they support or even worked for. The "vermin" chat on Brokeback is just absolutely cringeworth

What’s the history behind the vermin chat?

[matty_f]

What’s the history behind the vermin chat?

I think it stems from the fact that some kickback posters are c***s.

[grunt]

What worries the hell out of me about this though is that we are not looking at reconstruction for the better of the game, we are doing it to save a team going down....we are making the product less exciting and setting a very worrying president.....big club it trouble, change the rules.

I think you make a very good point which has not been aired, or if it has I haven't seen it. Why would you have a league restructure? To make it better. So what is is that's wrong with the current format that needs to be addressed via restructure? I know, I know, the problem is that Hearts aren't in the Prem. But seriously, any organised competent administration should be addressing league restructuring by setting out the current problems and explaining how the proposed system will address them.

This proposal doesn't seem to do that.

[Stevie Reid]

What an absolute moron.

His Twitter previous is quality.

[bawheid]

I think it stems from the fact that some kickback posters are c***s.

There’s a poster over there that’s called himself The Verminator. lol

[Greenworld]

I'll be very surprised if St mirren vote yesSeen this on twitter from Freddie White

Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone, Ross County, along with at least 8 other teams from lower divisions all against it!
GMack7

Most of the championship is against and i agree you can add st mirren and Motherwell at least to that list , i suspect even rangers are against after being bombed out


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[JohnMcM]

What’s the history behind the vermin chat?

They picked it up from their big cousin's description of us didn't they?

[oneone73]

Wow!

"There's been quite a bit of debate over the last few pages regarding the possibility that we are sued for damages should we lose a court action.

The first thing to say is that my view is that we will win any court action. That is just opinion based on my interpretation of the merits of our case.*Some on here disagree and I am sure people like Roy McGregor do as well.

However let's suppose we do lose. The question posed is whether or not we in turn could be sued for damages. The poster who works in the English legal system suggests that there we could not*be sued and the position in Scotland is much the same.

But, the potential exposure for us is in connection with any interim interdict we might seek. An interdict is simply a court order that forbids someone from doing something. We would be asking the court at the start of the action to forbid the SPFL from*proceeding with the premiership without us.

I have posted before that there are 2 considerations for the court. Is there a prima facie case and, if there is, is it appropriate on the balance of convenience to grant the interdict?

I think we can all accept that there is a prima facie case here. Remember, that is not the court deciding we will win, merely that we have a reasonable case.

The court then has to think about convenience. In coming to a view, the court will consider the consequences of either side winning the case. If we lose, then there is the potential for Scottish football to lose a huge amount of money if an interdict stopped the season starting. The SPFL would be asked to quantify that as best they can.

We are likely to have included details of our financial claim already.

I should say that the SPFL will have lodged a caveat. This means that if we seek an interim interdict, it would be opposed.

I have been involved in an application for interim interdict where it was granted on the basis that the pursuer undertook to cover the losses of the defendant should he ultimately lose. That does not mean the same would happen here. That was because the pursuer's case was pointless if the interim interdict were not granted. In that case, the purser did end up losing.

In this case, the court is likely to consider the relative merits of the case and those will be argued to some extent by the parties.

From what I can see, it is likely that the court will be swayed quite strongly by the circumstances surrounding the first resolution. The argument there is that if that vote is unlawful, all decisions following on from it fall. I strongly suspect that the court will take the view that the SPFL needs to convince it that reconstruction is impossible, otherwise it will grant an interdict - and without strings attached to it. Effectively, the court would be telling the parties to go and sort it out.

It seems to me that the prospect of the court granting an interim interdict with us being obliged to cover the losses to Scottish football are next to nil. The reason for that is that if we don't prevent our expulsion in the case, we still have a compensation claim. In other words, on the balance of convenience it is not necessary to grant the interdict.

What all of this means is that it is almost inconceivable that defeat in the courts will cost us anymore than our costs and the SPFL's costs.

Do I think we will get an interim interdict - on balance, yes, but it is a close call.

More importantly, do I think the SPFL will defend the case at all - no. I think that the board will bottle using its Executive powers and our action will be drafted in such a way that we are simply seeking reinstatement to the premiership. The SPFL as a whole has no interest in defending that - after all, it is what the majority want.

Sorry for the lengthy post."


Jambo66 taking zoomerism to new levels.

Right from the start he speaks about England and Scotland, whereas the only place that Hearts can attack the SPFL is in a Swiss tribunal.

He then outlines point by point the court ruling in hearts favour on every point. He never once explains why.

That first resolution he talks about - wasn't that to end the season for the lower leagues?

[wallpaperman]

They picked it up from their big cousin's description of us didn't they?

I think it might be one that they made up themselves.

I’m sure we are mostly known as spoonburners/HIVs on Hun boards.

[Peevemor]

That first resolution he talks about - wasn't that to end the season for the lower leagues?The one that didn't affect Hearts or any of the Premiership? Maybe.

Failing that he means the second one to call the Premiership, which was carried unanimously.

[Hibeesforever]

Nobody on Sportsound able to say why the 14 set up does not work...ridiculous bias!

[660]

His Twitter previous is quality.

He has me blocked because of my response to this tweet.

I’m blocked by Hearts official twitter, The Louden Tavern, George Foulkes, Ewan Murray and this clown. Quite proud tbh.

[Waxy]

Sooooo predictable that sportsound has become radio hearts for the 10th weekend in a row. Roll on Monday.

[JohnMcM]

I think it might be one that they made up themselves.

I’m sure we are mostly known as spoonburners/HIVs on Hun boards.

Ah! Ok. Thanks. What strange names we get from strange people.

[MrSmith]

As far as I'm aware (not a legal mind nor in the know) if they decide on local action, they will face expulsion from the SPFL by our FA who will be instructed by EUFA/FIFA to do so as their action will go against both bodies legal rulings.

This may wrong, its only my interpretation of what is already in the public domain.

[Kojock]

Didn't he want to be a hero at one time?

According to the letter his fiancée got he was a hero and she should be proud.

[The Harp]

Another carefully picked panel debating league reconstruction on Sportsound. As per usual, no one putting forward the case for the status quo.

[Moulin Yarns]

What is the benefits of 14,10,10,10 compared to 12,12,10,10 or 12,10,10,12?

All allow the 2 lowland and Highland teams into the league, but only one doesn't meddle with all divisions.

[coldingham hibs]

Not a single pundit looking at how dire the format would be for the supporters.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Nobody on Sportsound able to say why the 14 set up does not work...ridiculous bias!

Amazing what a bribe can do. Not one of them highlighting any of the many flaws in a 14 team setup.

[JohnMcM]

According to the letter his fiancée got he was a hero and she should be proud.

:aok:

[Waxy]

Sportsound so intent on ruining the top league.
Plain to see the best option is 12-12-10-10.
More balanced and doesnt lumber the top league with a rotten 14 club system.

[Waxy]

Neil McCann is crap.
Can i just say that?

[Real Emerald]

Another carefully picked panel debating league reconstruction on Sportsound. As per usual, no one putting forward the case for the status quo.

It’s getting beyond belief, no one wants to even discuss why a permanent 14 team league is a bad idea. They’re bot even willing to get one person on with a view as to why it’s a bad idea. I understand that they are trying to avoid clubs being relegated but by pretending a 14 team Premiership is better for Scottish football week after week is a joke.

[mayo hibee]

Sooooo predictable that sportsound has become radio hearts for the 10th weekend in a row. Roll on Monday.

From the BBC:

"Where our content highlights issues on which others campaign, we must take care not to endorse those campaigns, or allow ourselves to be used to campaign. But this should not prevent us highlighting issues and offering our audiences choices about how to confront them.

The external activities and public comments, for example on social media, of staff, presenters and others who contribute to our output can also affect perceptions of the BBC’s impartiality."

Not listening in today but if you feel that Sportsound (or Tom English's tweet calling any vote against reconstruction "grotesque") has breached the BBC's guidelines on impartiality and bias you can make a complaint to:

www.bbc.co.uk/complaints

[Hibeesforever]

Neil McCann saying competition is needed and accept if you go down...what about Hearts Neil, a total bellend hypocrite!

[grunt]

It’s getting beyond belief, no one wants to even discuss why a permanent 14 team league is a bad idea.

They are even sometimes saying the right words - more competitive, better product - but failing to recognise that their preferred solution mitigates against those objectives. And no one is pointing it out on the programme!

Where's the BBC's famous "balance" when we need it?

[grunt]

Neil McCann saying competition is needed and accept if you go down...what about Hearts Neil, a total bellend hypocrite!

Zero self awareness.

[Caversham Green]

As far as I'm aware (not a legal mind nor in the know) if they decide on local action, they will face expulsion from the SPFL by our FA who will be instructed by EUFA/FIFA to do so as their action will go against both bodies legal rulings.

This may wrong, its only my interpretation of what is already in the public domain.

I've been thinking that as well. As it's a UEFA directive the SFA would probably have no choice but to sanction Hearts in some way. I suppose it would depend on how much sympathy chairman Rod Petrie had for them as to what those sanctions would be.

[Real Emerald]

From the BBC:

"Where our content highlights issues on which others campaign, we must take care not to endorse those campaigns, or allow ourselves to be used to campaign. But this should not prevent us highlighting issues and offering our audiences choices about how to confront them.

The external activities and public comments, for example on social media, of staff, presenters and others who contribute to our output can also affect perceptions of the BBC’s impartiality."

Not listening in today but if you feel that Sportsound (or Tom English's tweet calling any vote against reconstruction "grotesque") has breached the BBC's guidelines on impartiality and bias you can make a complaint to:

www.bbc.co.uk/complaints

His tweets today are ridiculous for a BBC head sports journalist. He’s acting like a fan on a forum with no balanced analysis at all. He actually needs removed from his job now.

[Jim44]

I've been thinking that as well. As it's a UEFA directive the SFA would probably have no choice but to sanction Hearts in some way. I supposed it would depend on how much sympathy chairman Rod Petrie had for them as to what those sanctions would be.


I love how you left your last statement just hanging there. :tsk tsk: :greengrin

[Scorrie]

I've been thinking that as well. As it's a UEFA directive the SFA would probably have no choice but to sanction Hearts in some way. I suppose it would depend on how much sympathy chairman Rod Petrie had for them as to what those sanctions would be.

Relegation to the East of Scotland League conferences would be a good start

[coldingham hibs]

Richard Gordon mentions a comment from a listener about meaningless games. His response is ‘they could maybe tinker with the playoffs’’.

I sure all the teams in the bottom 8 would just love to have more opportunity to have play off games. Unbelievable.

[Ozyhibby]

Richard Gordon mentions a comment from a listener about meaningless games. His response is ‘they could maybe tinker with the playoffs’’.

I sure all the teams in the bottom 8 would just love to have more opportunity to have play off games. Unbelievable.

So far not a single argument has been put forward for a 14 team league apart from it saves Hearts. I listened to whole show and not one contributor put forward why a 14 team league was better. And they want to make it permanent. Mental.


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[Aldo]

Richard Gordon mentions a comment from a listener about meaningless games. His response is ‘they could maybe tinker with the playoffs’’.

I sure all the teams in the bottom 8 would just love to have more opportunity to have play off games. Unbelievable.

Thing is it’s clear by this they haven’t even read what the proposal entails. They have an agenda and it’s Hearts propaganda.

Just wait until the vote is over. I wonder if they will berate those who voted no??

Will be good to see where they go with this.


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[Irish_Steve]

There’s a poster over there that’s called himself The Verminator. lol

Saughton and Kiwi`s love-child

[Aldo]

So far not a single argument has been put forward for a 14 team league apart from it saves Hearts. I listened to whole show and not one contributor put forward why a 14 team league was better. And they want to make it permanent. Mental.


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They never will do either Ozy!

I complained many years ago about the constant pish ripping and constant laughing at Hibs by a number of panel members ie Preston and one other whose name escapes me.

I was told it was banter and that I can chose not to listen in!!

I’m all for banter but it was done in pretty poor taste!

Maybe I needed thicker skin.

As for the recent ramblings they have an agenda and it’s clear from what is written in here about it is to save hearts!


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[Real Emerald]

Thing is it’s clear by this they haven’t even read what the proposal entails. They have an agenda and it’s Hearts propaganda.

Just wait until the vote is over. I wonder if they will berate those who voted no??

Will be good to see where they go with this.


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If they do I think it’s time for clubs like Hibs to start calling out the nonsense that’s going on at the BBC. I think Hibs are well aware of it and it can’t be allowed to go on to become a witch hunt to punish teams who’ve voted against this ridiculous proposal. Tom English is on a personal crusade and his position should not be allowed to let him facilitate his personal vendettas.

[mayo hibee]

I complained many years ago about the constant pish ripping and constant laughing at Hibs by a number of panel members ie Preston and one other whose name escapes me.

I was told it was banter and that I can chose not to listen in!!



That kind of thing can always be passed off as "banter" and can be argued that it does not conflict with the BBC charter. However, in terms of how the BBC operates, repeatedly taking one side in a debate and failing to present a balanced counterpoint is directly against BBC guidelines.

[coldingham hibs]

So far not a single argument has been put forward for a 14 team league apart from it saves Hearts. I listened to whole show and not one contributor put forward why a 14 team league was better. And they want to make it permanent. Mental.


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Yes it was brutal listening.

What I cannot understand is why Motherwell would support a change, although they have an occasionally good season they could easily be one of the teams in the bottom 8 & lose out on 5 games against the top clubs.

[Aldo]

If they do I think it’s time for clubs like Hibs to start calling out the nonsense that’s going on at the BBC. I think Hibs are well aware of it and it can’t be allowed to go on to become a witch hunt to punish teams who’ve voted against this ridiculous proposal. Tom English is on a personal crusade and his position should not be allowed to let him facilitate his personal vendettas.

Don’t get me wrong I’m all for debate but it cannot just be one way.... there way or no way as it is just now.

TE is just a complete arse and his writings of late are proving this to be.

I am starting to come to the conclusion that the majority on that show are just thick as, that or just ignorant or maybe both


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[Aldo]

That kind of thing can always be passed off as "banter" and can be argued that it does not conflict with the BBC charter. However, in terms of how the BBC operates, repeatedly taking one side in a debate and failing to present a balanced counterpoint is directly against BBC guidelines.

I think that’s why i prefer Talksport or 5 live.


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[grunt]

I'd like to apologise up front for bringing politics into a football thread.
If admins want me to delete this post I will do so immediately.

But it's occurred to me for some time that this whole discussion about league reconstruction feels very similar to the Brexit discussions.

1. It was never an issue for years, and then all of a sudden out of the blue reconstruction needs to be done, and it needs to be done now
2. There don't seem to be any good reasons to do it other than for those with a vested interest
3. There's a small group of people shouting very loudly for it to be done, and no one is seen to be giving the counter arguments
4. There's almost no discussion about the possible / probable downsides of the issue
5. The BBC in particular, has taken one side of the argument and structured their reporting so the other side never gets a look in
5a. There's no detail about how it will be done. There are big questions unasked and unanswered.
6. I fear that on Monday we may have our own SPFL "24 June 2016" event, and we'll look back on it for years after and wonder how did that happen?
7. It will ruin Scottish football for a long time. (This one doesn't apply to Brexit, or at least I don't think so).

[Tug Wilson]

Wow!

"There's been quite a bit of debate over the last few pages regarding the possibility that we are sued for damages should we lose a court action.

The first thing to say is that my view is that we will win any court action. That is just opinion based on my interpretation of the merits of our case.*Some on here disagree and I am sure people like Roy McGregor do as well.

However let's suppose we do lose. The question posed is whether or not we in turn could be sued for damages. The poster who works in the English legal system suggests that there we could not*be sued and the position in Scotland is much the same.

But, the potential exposure for us is in connection with any interim interdict we might seek. An interdict is simply a court order that forbids someone from doing something. We would be asking the court at the start of the action to forbid the SPFL from*proceeding with the premiership without us.

I have posted before that there are 2 considerations for the court. Is there a prima facie case and, if there is, is it appropriate on the balance of convenience to grant the interdict?

I think we can all accept that there is a prima facie case here. Remember, that is not the court deciding we will win, merely that we have a reasonable case.

The court then has to think about convenience. In coming to a view, the court will consider the consequences of either side winning the case. If we lose, then there is the potential for Scottish football to lose a huge amount of money if an interdict stopped the season starting. The SPFL would be asked to quantify that as best they can.

We are likely to have included details of our financial claim already.

I should say that the SPFL will have lodged a caveat. This means that if we seek an interim interdict, it would be opposed.

I have been involved in an application for interim interdict where it was granted on the basis that the pursuer undertook to cover the losses of the defendant should he ultimately lose. That does not mean the same would happen here. That was because the pursuer's case was pointless if the interim interdict were not granted. In that case, the purser did end up losing.

In this case, the court is likely to consider the relative merits of the case and those will be argued to some extent by the parties.

From what I can see, it is likely that the court will be swayed quite strongly by the circumstances surrounding the first resolution. The argument there is that if that vote is unlawful, all decisions following on from it fall. I strongly suspect that the court will take the view that the SPFL needs to convince it that reconstruction is impossible, otherwise it will grant an interdict - and without strings attached to it. Effectively, the court would be telling the parties to go and sort it out.

It seems to me that the prospect of the court granting an interim interdict with us being obliged to cover the losses to Scottish football are next to nil. The reason for that is that if we don't prevent our expulsion in the case, we still have a compensation claim. In other words, on the balance of convenience it is not necessary to grant the interdict.

What all of this means is that it is almost inconceivable that defeat in the courts will cost us anymore than our costs and the SPFL's costs.

Do I think we will get an interim interdict - on balance, yes, but it is a close call.

More importantly, do I think the SPFL will defend the case at all - no. I think that the board will bottle using its Executive powers and our action will be drafted in such a way that we are simply seeking reinstatement to the premiership. The SPFL as a whole has no interest in defending that - after all, it is what the majority want.

Sorry for the lengthy post."


Jambo66 taking zoomerism to new levels.

Right from the start he speaks about England and Scotland, whereas the only place that Hearts can attack the SPFL is in a Swiss tribunal.

He then outlines point by point the court ruling in hearts favour on every point. He never once explains why.

What a long post of pish from this Jambo legal eagle.

[Spike Mandela]

Hibs should declare themselves prepared for it to go to an egm and a vote.

Some Chairmen are hiding behind an "open to reconstruction" bull**** hopung others won't let it go to a vote.

Smoke them out. When push comes to a shove most of them won't vote for the ridiculous 14 team setup.

[brog]

In addition to the BBC bias we of course have Banderson spouting his propaganda. Now given that he works for the EEN it's more understandable but his £6m damages to Hearts nonsense was picked up & ran with by the MSM without question. In the original article & in the subsequent spin offs I never once saw a question about the potential downside for Hearts if any court action fails. It's as if every legal challenge always automatically succeeds & there's no cost involved in making that challenge. This is almost like our running debate on referees, is it bias or only incompetence? In this case I think it's both!

[Tambo]

Monday will be interesting, still confidant of no reconstruction so let's see the next move from hearts.

Surprised there not saying this court case will be bigger than the OJ trial yet.

[green day]

If they do I think it’s time for clubs like Hibs to start calling out the nonsense that’s going on at the BBC. I think Hibs are well aware of it and it can’t be allowed to go on to become a witch hunt to punish teams who’ve voted against this ridiculous proposal. Tom English is on a personal crusade and his position should not be allowed to let him facilitate his personal vendettas.

I think you are mistaken if you think football chairpeople give much credence to Sportsound or what Tom English has to say on twitter.

They will certainly read the PTFC statement, and will have heard all the mewling from Budge over the last few weeks, but ultimately they will do what is right for their club, their fans.

This doesnt have enough support, and we can only hope that Monday draws a line under this crap. If Hearts etc want to take legal action afterwards that will give the BBC something else to sympathise about.

Nobody else cares and the way Hibs are dealing with this at this point - saying nothing - is 100% right.

[Ozyhibby]

On today’s programme Daryl Broadfoot explained that the difference in tv money if averaged across the league with a 14 team league, works out at £330k less per club. As this is a permanent change, the clubs are voting for taking a £3m hit to their finances over the next 10 years.
There is no way that is going to be voted through.


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[Real Emerald]

I think you are mistaken if you think football chairpeople give much credence to Sportsound or what Tom English has to say on twitter.

They will certainly read the PTFC statement, and will have heard all the mewling from Budge over the last few weeks, but ultimately they will do what is right for their club, their fans.

This doesnt have enough support, and we can only hope that Monday draws a line under this crap. If Hearts etc want to take legal action afterwards that will give the BBC something else to sympathise about.

Nobody else cares and the way Hibs are dealing with this at this point - saying nothing - is 100% right.

I agree we are dealing with this correct, my point is if after the event we start getting bad mouthed for voting against it by the BBC and the likes of Tom English. I think in that scenario chair people will care if the BBC take that tactic and would rightly speak out in defence of their position.

[Rumble de Thump]

There’s a poster over there that’s called himself The Verminator. lol

Is there a Hobo Cop?