NO to reconstruction

[The 90+2]

No way that gets through. It is a horrible option.

Adds more clubs to the structure further diluting money across the board. I do not see how that benefits 90% of the clubs in any way.

Hibs will not vote for that, temporary or permanent. If they do, Dempster is literally off her head.

Anything that dilutes or changes the pay structure of the league has never got a hope of passing.

[CapitalGreen]

https://twitter.com/kheredine2018/status/1257666926354063360?s=21

14-14-16 which means it’ll need 11-1 in the Prem. Meeting with the Prem clubs on Thursday to discuss.

If the argument for keeping Hearts up is that no team should be worse of due to the season ending early, how is iInverness going up ahead of Dundee and Ayr fair?

[Waxy]

https://twitter.com/kheredine2018/status/1257666926354063360?s=21

14-14-16 which means it’ll need 11-1 in the Prem. Meeting with the Prem clubs on Thursday to discuss.

Thats all over the place.
We cannot vote for that.
Best one ive seen and doesnt change the top league is
12,12,10,10. Thats the only one i’d go for.

[Heisenberg]

If the argument for keeping Hearts up is that no team should be worse of due to the season ending early, how is iInverness going up ahead of Dundee and Ayr fair?

Exactly my thoughts. Makes no sense.

[Waxy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish

[Waxy]

Or we can just leave it as it is?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the league structure as it is now.

[SHODAN]

Or we can just leave it as it is?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the league structure as it is now.

In the fourteen years that I've been on this board, we've been perpetually moaning about the league format right up until the point reconstruction meant Hearts wouldn't get relegated.

[Wakeyhibee]

League 1 "sporting integrity" from 36 games on a fair basis, to 30 games or 38 games and suffer 2 home 1 away and vice versa.

[Since452]

Or we can just leave it as it is?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the league structure as it is now.

Agreed. It's the best it's been. No need to change it.

[Dalianwanda]

In the fourteen years that I've been on this board, we've been perpetually moaning about the league format right up until the point reconstruction meant Hearts wouldn't get relegated.

Some may have..Others have said the current set up gives best chance of excitement till the end of the season in terms of top bottom 6, European places & relegation.

[Mon Dieu4]

In the fourteen years that I've been on this board, we've been perpetually moaning about the league format right up until the point reconstruction meant Hearts wouldn't get relegated.

If it was all above board and that it was outlined at the start of a season that there would be no relegation from the league at the end of that year due to a reconstruction that had been planned and well thought through then lots of people would be accepting, this isn't the case though, it's being rushed through to appease Hearts and so that Rangers can somehow act like they are interested in integrity, that's why so many people are anti

[Waxy]

League 1 "sporting integrity" from 36 games on a fair basis, to 30 games or 38 games and suffer 2 home 1 away and vice versa.

And relegate Clyde,Forfar,Peterhead and halt Coves promotion at the same time.

[007]

And relegate Clyde,Forfar,Peterhead and halt Coves promotion at the same time.

Yup. Nobody should be penalised according to Budge.

[WhileTheChief..]

Or we can just leave it as it is?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the league structure as it is now.

Agreed.

There has been zero chat about reconstruction on here for years.

[Peevemor]

In the fourteen years that I've been on this board, we've been perpetually moaning about the league format right up until the point reconstruction meant Hearts wouldn't get relegated.

I didn't mind 10 teams with 4 (5 at one point?) teams in Europe & 2 automatic relegations - it's what I grew up with.

The split works with 12 teams.

I've never called for change.

[Wakeyhibee]

And relegate Clyde,Forfar,Peterhead and halt Coves promotion at the same time.

No doubt she'll argue it's not as they're 2 promotions off the top league!!!

[Heisenberg]

The split is my main issue with a 14 team top league. Season could be over in February if you are sitting 7th. Nothing to play for with games against the worst teams in the league. Sign me up.

[CapitalGreen]

In the fourteen years that I've been on this board, we've been perpetually moaning about the league format right up until the point reconstruction meant Hearts wouldn't get relegated.

You shouldn’t confuse a few voices making a lot of noise with a majority of people being in favour of change. Over the last 14 years I imagine there has been a silent majority of fans perfectly happy with the current set up who only now feel the need to make their voices heard as Hearts try to railroad through reconstruction.

[Aldo]

The split is my main issue with a 14 team top league. Season could be over in February if you are sitting 7th. Nothing to play for with games against the worst teams in the league. Sign me up.

All this to save one team imho.

I mentioned on another post that I’m still confident they won’t get 11-1 for this. Budge needs another 10 votes to get this passed!


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[007]

All this to save one team imho.

I mentioned on another post that I’m still confident they won’t get 11-1 for this. Budge needs another 10 votes to get this passed!


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It'll be 11 she'll need to convince if the league gets called and they swap places with Dundee Utd.

[Aldo]

It'll be 11 she'll need to convince if the league gets called and they swap places with Dundee Utd.

Indeed it will! Oft. Call the league NOW!


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[Lago]

Back page of the Scottish Daily Mail today has a variation of the 14-14-14 model being the go to option for the reconstruction panel with them looking to bring forward their previous timescale for a vote. Surprisingly this appeals to Hearts, Partick and Stranraer :rolleyes:
Just read it & you just know it's going to happen. 😝

[007]

Indeed it will! Oft. Call the league NOW!


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Imagine if 10 voted for and Hibs and Dundee United voted against. 😃

[Waxy]

No doubt she'll argue it's not as they're 2 promotions off the top league!!!From the safety of league 1 to one bad season and into the abyss of the lowland league.
Look at Berwick? They're never coming back.

[Aldo]

Imagine if 10 voted for and Hibs and Dundee United voted against. [emoji2]

That would be superb!


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[007]

That would be superb!


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I'd prefer 12 voting against though.

[The 90+2]

And relegate Clyde,Forfar,Peterhead and halt Coves promotion at the same time.

Poor Bonnyrigg.

[JimBHibees]

In the fourteen years that I've been on this board, we've been perpetually moaning about the league format right up until the point reconstruction meant Hearts wouldn't get relegated.

We've not some have. Only agree if better than currently there which this clearly isn't. Less money for top clubs and a ludicrous split which if you are 7th is a total shocker imo. Not an improvement so why do it imo. Given how Inverness played in cup tie no great relish in seeing them again as absolute cloggers and see no reason at all that they come up especially given their chief exec is a total clown given his performance on sportsound a month or so back.

[Geo_1875]

You shouldn’t confuse a few voices making a lot of noise with a majority of people being in favour of change. Over the last 14 years I imagine there has been a silent majority of fans perfectly happy with the current set up who only now feel the need to make their voices heard as Hearts try to railroad through reconstruction.

Agreed. Ideally I'd like to see a 16 or 18 team top league but it's not going to happen. 14 teams is the worst possible set-up, especially if it's a temporary screw-around to save them from relegation. 12 is not perfect and I don't like the split but it's the best we'll get.

[Real Emerald]

Still no mention of what Sky would do about the contract from anyone.

[ballengeich]

https://twitter.com/kheredine2018/status/1257666926354063360?s=21

14-14-16 which means it’ll need 11-1 in the Prem. Meeting with the Prem clubs on Thursday to discuss.

If it's temporary and includes returning from 44 to 42 teams in a year or two's time the league 2 teams will vote it down.

[Wakeyhibee]

From the safety of league 1 to one bad season and into the abyss of the lowland league.
Look at Berwick? They're never coming back.

I think that's the situation with a lot clubs, East Stirling went the same way after years of being sheltered.

Theres no easy solution and has to be a meritocracy. How uneven home/away games fit in is baffling. There is, at least an attempt in the premier to even things, but this is a step backwards and totally against her "moral crusade" for sporting integrity.

[jacomo]

In the fourteen years that I've been on this board, we've been perpetually moaning about the league format right up until the point reconstruction meant Hearts wouldn't get relegated.


I’m up for league reconstruction because I dislike playing the same team 4 times a season in the league.

But a 14 team league doesn’t solve that, so in my mind it’s a cheap and I’ll conceived fix just to stop Hearts getting relegated.

Also, with league attendances up, people like me need to accept that maybe changing the league format isn’t a priority at all.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m up for league reconstruction because I dislike playing the same team 4 times a season in the league.

But a 14 team league doesn’t solve that, so in my mind it’s a cheap and I’ll conceived fix just to stop Hearts getting relegated.

Also, with league attendances up, people like me need to accept that maybe changing the league format isn’t a priority at all.

Changing to a 14 team league will be anything but cheap. It will cost Hibs a lot of money and result in cut backs elsewhere.


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[Waxy]

Budge trying to increase the amount of senior teams in Scotland?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36999758

[Tommy75]

Budge trying to increase the amount of senior teams in Scotland?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36999758

The article, published on 7 Aug 2016 also says "In three years' time, Budge will stand down as owner and the Foundation of Hearts will become the majority shareholder of the club." I must have missed this happening last year.

[The 90+2]

The article, published on 7 Aug 2019 also says "In three years' time, Budge will stand down as owner and the Foundation of Hearts will become the majority shareholder of the club." I must have missed this happening last year.

She also said the new stand was on track.

Journalist and favourable publisher.......

[Iggy Pope]

^^ Quick, sort the year typo before anyone notices.

[The 90+2]

Budge trying to increase the amount of senior teams in Scotland?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36999758

Know your place small teams.

Welcome more small teams.

She’s not got a scooby.

[Aldo]

Know your place small teams.

Welcome more small teams.

She’s not got a scooby.

Its really quite funny tbh. She’s the queen of contradiction and it’s a sign of a desperate woman! Say one thing and when the rind changes something totally different. Anything and everything to get them out of this mess.

This 14-14-16 is a no goer and if this is the best proposal put forward by her she’s going to find quite a few of these lower league teams voting No.

A 16 team league will be a nightmare to get out of.


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[Col2]

So let’s look at the proposal then.

26 games and then a split. Instead of 33. This season That was on the 12th Feb. So basically 3 weeks after the winter break. And then instead of 5 games in the split - 14 games instead.

So in the likely chance that Hibs are fighting for anything from say 3rd to 8th and we finish out with the top 6 we could have 14 meaningless games. To far from bottom and nothing to play for at top end. Same scenario for Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St Johnstone etc who regular sit around this area.

In this scenario I would have paid for a season ticket that is devalued from early Feb and after 65% of season, nothing to play for. 7 homes games and what’s the point.

Oh and the club will be expected to give up c£250k for wider distribution for Hearts and ICT. That’s the ICT we put 5 past and never even came close to being promoted.

This will never ever get enough votes on a 11-1 basis. IF Hibs vote for this I will be absolutely furious.

[green day]

So let’s look at the proposal then.

26 games and then a split. Instead of 33. This season That was on the 12th Feb. So basically 3 weeks after the winter break. And then instead of 5 games in the split - 14 games instead.

So in the likely chance that Hibs are fighting for anything from say 3rd to 8th and we finish out with the top 6 we could have 14 meaningless games. To far from bottom and nothing to play for at top end. Same scenario for Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St Johnstone etc who regular sit around this area.

In this scenario I would have paid for a season ticket that is devalued from early Feb and after 65% of season, nothing to play for. 7 homes games and what’s the point.

Oh and the club will be expected to give up c£250k for wider distribution for Hearts and ICT. That’s the ICT we out 5 past and never even came close to being promoted.

This will never ever get enough votes on a 11-1 basis. IF Hibs vote for this I will be absolutely furious.

Great summary.

Especially the bit in bold, and I am 100% with you on the last sentence.

[H18 SFR]

Budge trying to increase the amount of senior teams in Scotland?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36999758

Suspected this. I’m not renewing until I know this has been voted out.

As per many contributions on here, I’m not interested in a split in February then a ridiculous number of games if you’ve not made the top 6.

[Lee Marvin]

Suspected this. I’m not renewing until I know this has been voted out.

As per many contributions on here, I’m not interested in a split in February then a ridiculous number of games if you’ve not made the top 6.

Same boat here. It this goes through, I wont be getting my season ticket

[jacomo]

Budge trying to increase the amount of senior teams in Scotland?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36999758


She really is clueless.

But it’s highly amusing that she now needs the support of clubs she has previously pronounced as being surplus to requirements.

[The 90+2]

She really is clueless.

But it’s highly amusing that she now needs the support of clubs she has previously pronounced as being surplus to requirements.

Will she give Tom the exclusive now why she wants more than half the teams she wanted removed from the leagues to now form the spfl? Has anyone even asked English this?

[ac1]

We should be voting No to this on principle - if the tables were turned and we were bottom do you think they would vote this through to save us? They would be laughing their heads off at the 'vermin' and giving it 5-1 signs. It should be an instant No from us

[Real Emerald]

So let’s look at the proposal then.

26 games and then a split. Instead of 33. This season That was on the 12th Feb. So basically 3 weeks after the winter break. And then instead of 5 games in the split - 14 games instead.

So in the likely chance that Hibs are fighting for anything from say 3rd to 8th and we finish out with the top 6 we could have 14 meaningless games. To far from bottom and nothing to play for at top end. Same scenario for Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St Johnstone etc who regular sit around this area.

In this scenario I would have paid for a season ticket that is devalued from early Feb and after 65% of season, nothing to play for. 7 homes games and what’s the point.

Oh and the club will be expected to give up c£250k for wider distribution for Hearts and ICT. That’s the ICT we put 5 past and never even came close to being promoted.

This will never ever get enough votes on a 11-1 basis. IF Hibs vote for this I will be absolutely furious.

I bought my ST right away because I could and I thought it was important to put some money Hibs way. IF we vote for this terrible set up to save Hearts then I will ask for a refund. It is a contrived league to save Hearts only. If you’re paying £400ish for ST this is not value for money and could see us in a lot of seasons being finished by February. This is THE worst league set up that could be dreamt up and we need to be careful that Hibs are not the biggest losers by backing this.

[Dashing Bob S]

Same boat here. It this goes through, I wont be getting my season ticket

I have a sneaking hunch that you guys might just find it safe to renew.

[Aldo]

I bought my ST right away because I could and I thought it was important to put some money Hibs way. IF we vote for this terrible set up to save Hearts then I will ask for a refund. It is a contrived league to save Hearts only. If you’re paying £400ish for ST this is not value for money and could see us in a lot of seasons being finished by February. This is THE worst league set up that could be dreamt up and we need to be careful that Hibs are not the biggest losers by backing this.

Whilst I’m not in a position to buy a ST I know others who have and have the same view as yourself. I think one has even mentioned contacting Leanne Dempster regarding this. Not sure he has done what he said but I’m sure others will have a similar idea!


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[Waxy]

We just cant vote for this.
I do think we could reconstruct from the championship down if we’re given fair warning.
Four leagues of 12 could be a final reconstruction with fair playoffs and an automatic promotion/relegation at the bottom.
Now the new West of Scotland league is starting, the Scottish league is as close to its perfect system as it has ever been.
Just cant go to 14 for any division. Its all over the place and the worst option.

[munchar]

I think that's the situation with a lot clubs, East Stirling went the same way after years of being sheltered.

Theres no easy solution and has to be a meritocracy. How uneven home/away games fit in is baffling. There is, at least an attempt in the premier to even things, but this is a step backwards and totally against her "moral crusade" for sporting integrity.

Agreed.
Being sentimental & looking at some league clubs history, it was always a sad thought that they might go out of business or lost to the pro game forever. However, for the game to grow, we can’t live in the past. Well run clubs like Bonnyrigg for instance, deserve the opportunity to grow as a professional outfit. If the local community & businessmen back them, there’s no reason why they shouldn’t prosper. It’s the same way clubs like Albion Rovers & Cowdenbeath have been surviving in embarrassing stadiums for decades. If the fans, community & businesses rallied round them, they would thrive. Berwick & East Stirling have as much chance as anybody of climbing the ladder again if they all work together.

[Aldo]

We just cant vote for this.
I do think we could reconstruct from the championship down if we’re given fair warning.
Four leagues of 12 could be a final reconstruction with fair playoffs and an automatic promotion/relegation at the bottom.
Now the new West of Scotland league is starting, the Scottish league is as close to its perfect system as it has ever been.
Just cant go to 14 for any division. Its all over the place and the worst option.

Aye but is perfect for Hearts and that’s the most important thing in all this. Surely you haven’t forgotten.

I cannot see how this can be put forward as an option?


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[Mr Grieves]

I'm fairly relaxed, no way they're getting anywhere near enough votes for this proposal.

[CraigHibee]

Or we can just leave it as it is?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the league structure as it is now.

100% there is nothing wrong with it, this is all about rubber face budge and her own agenda though.

All because the spam farts believe they have an entitlement to be in this league and the only way they would be saved is through reconstruction.

Embarrassing bunch of maroon munters

[CraigHibee]

I'm fairly relaxed, no way they're getting anywhere near enough votes for this proposal.

Hope so 💪

[green day]

I assume that Kieran Power will be viewing responses to this thread and relaying the detail back to the board.

While this site is not fully representative, I cant think of one Hibby that would (even ignoring the Hearts angle) think that this proposal is even vaguely sensible.

As has been mentioned, the impact on ST renewals (mine included) would be big in a normal time - given the problems in potentially restarting the league they could end up going off a cliff if this gets voted through.

A complete non starter and I am sure that sensible analysis on Sportsound will tell us the same...............

[H18 SFR]

I assume that Kieran Power will be viewing responses to this thread and relaying the detail back to the board.

While this site is not fully representative, I cant think of one Hibby that would (even ignoring the Hearts angle) think that this proposal is even vaguely sensible.

As has been mentioned, the impact on ST renewals (mine included) would be big in a normal time - given the problems in potentially restarting the league they could end up going off a cliff if this gets voted through.

A complete non starter and I am sure that sensible analysis on Sportsound will tell us the same...............

Agreed, just spoke to my uncle, he has renewed with my cousins etc, group of six, he told me that if this goes through they want a refund.

[007]

I assume that Kieran Power will be viewing responses to this thread and relaying the detail back to the board.

While this site is not fully representative, I cant think of one Hibby that would (even ignoring the Hearts angle) think that this proposal is even vaguely sensible.

As has been mentioned, the impact on ST renewals (mine included) would be big in a normal time - given the problems in potentially restarting the league they could end up going off a cliff if this gets voted through.

A complete non starter and I am sure that sensible analysis on Sportsound will tell us the same...............

I've recently started listening to Superscoreboard on Radio Clyde and it seems to me the discussions on there are much more balanced. Some of the callers phone in with ridiculous suggestions and opinions but the panel are generally much better than Sportsound.

Hugh Keevins talks a lot of sense, in particular around reconstruction. He thinks its madness to be even discussing it at the moment and I agree.

The Radio Clyde app is good because it has all the previous shows available without any adverts.

[Heckys Wheel]

Agreed, just spoke to my uncle, he has renewed with my cousins etc, group of six, he told me that if this goes through they want a refund.

😂😂😂 The classic line. “I know 10 others who feel the same as me”

People talking about cancelling their season ticket by means of a tantrum if they don’t get what they want are talking nonsense. If you end up walking round the shops with your Mrs on a Saturday afternoon instead of going to ER because hearts squirmed their way out of relegation, more fool you.

[Real Emerald]

I've recently started listening to Superscoreboard on Radio Clyde and it seems to me the discussions on there are much more balanced. Some of the callers phone in with ridiculous suggestions and opinions but the panel are generally much better than Sportsound.

Hugh Keevins talks a lot of sense, in particular around reconstruction. He thinks its madness to be even discussing it at the moment and I agree.

The Radio Clyde app is good because it has all the previous shows available without any adverts.

Totally correct, no one in their right mind would be contemplating reconstructing our entire league structure and ripping up TV contracts at this time when we’ve no idea what the future holds. The sooner this nonsense gets put to bed the better.

[Real Emerald]

😂😂😂 The classic line. “I know 10 others who feel the same as me”

People talking about cancelling their season ticket by means of a tantrum if they don’t get what they want are talking nonsense. If you end up walking round the shops with your Mrs on a Saturday afternoon instead of going to ER because hearts squirmed their way out of relegation, more fool you.

You’re missing the point, playing 14 meaningless games from February is not a tantrum its a choice of paying out £400 for a product or not. The reason the product has changed to save Hearts adds to the anger but the set up is pish and it’s needless.

[H18 SFR]

😂😂😂 The classic line. “I know 10 others who feel the same as me”

People talking about cancelling their season ticket by means of a tantrum if they don’t get what they want are talking nonsense. If you end up walking round the shops with your Mrs on a Saturday afternoon instead of going to ER because hearts squirmed their way out of relegation, more fool you.

Not the point at all I was trying to make.

[Power]

I assume that Kieran Power will be viewing responses to this thread and relaying the detail back to the board.

While this site is not fully representative, I cant think of one Hibby that would (even ignoring the Hearts angle) think that this proposal is even vaguely sensible.

As has been mentioned, the impact on ST renewals (mine included) would be big in a normal time - given the problems in potentially restarting the league they could end up going off a cliff if this gets voted through.

A complete non starter and I am sure that sensible analysis on Sportsound will tell us the same...............

That makes me sound sinister N 😆

Im always around but as are the club - various club representatives view the forums to tap into how we’re feeling and thinking regularly. Our views (fans) are always taken seriously in consideration with other aspects on varying topics from my time on the board.

I passed on a lot of feedback on this subject last week from here and elsewhere (noted in the update).

[chippy]

Ok I’ll own up. From what I know of the proposals of 14,14,16. I think it’s probably the fairest model. It’s not what I wanted but it’s fair I think not to relegate anyone and to bring up the 2 feeder teams. Before you all pile in , I agree financially and for many other reasons it’s highly likely it’s not gonna happen. My favourite would have been 3 x 16 with 4-6 Premier B teams in the 3rd tier. There are plenty symmetrical split options for any 14 or 16 team models that get you the 4 old firm games. An 8/6 split in a 14 teamer I think Is also better than 6/8.

just have one question for those who won’t renew if there’s reconstruction. Does that mean you will renew immediately reconstruction has been stopped regardless if the season doesn’t start anytime soon or it’s behind closed doors?

[CapitalGreen]

Ok I’ll own up. From what I know of the proposals of 14,14,16. I think it’s probably the fairest model. It’s not what I wanted but it’s fair I think not to relegate anyone and to bring up the 2 feeder teams. Before you all pile in , I agree financially and for many other reasons it’s highly likely it’s not gonna happen. My favourite would have been 3 x 16 with 4-6 Premier B teams in the 3rd tier. There are plenty symmetrical split options for any 14 or 16 team models that get you the 4 old firm games. An 8/6 split in a 14 teamer I think Is also better than 6/8.

just have one question for those who won’t renew if there’s reconstruction. Does that mean you will renew immediately reconstruction has been stopped regardless if the season doesn’t start anytime soon or it’s behind closed doors?

Why is it unfair to relegate Hearts but fair to promote ICT ahead of Ayr and Dundee?

[Heisenberg]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfls-14-14-16-league-21980287

Scott Burns is usually reliable, although a lot of that article seems to be conjecture. Good to hear a majority of top flight clubs were against a temporary change.

[weecounty hibby]

Why is it unfair to relegate Hearts but fair to promote ICT ahead of Ayr and Dundee?

Yip and you have spotted the big issue in all of this. Some clubs will feel hard done to no matter what happens. The RIGHT thing to do is to call the league. Celtic champs and hearts chumps. Hearts feel aggrieved but tough, they have been the worst team for months now. It is the least worst option and needs to happen asap

[Waxy]

Ok I’ll own up. From what I know of the proposals of 14,14,16. I think it’s probably the fairest model. It’s not what I wanted but it’s fair I think not to relegate anyone and to bring up the 2 feeder teams. Before you all pile in , I agree financially and for many other reasons it’s highly likely it’s not gonna happen. My favourite would have been 3 x 16 with 4-6 Premier B teams in the 3rd tier. There are plenty symmetrical split options for any 14 or 16 team models that get you the 4 old firm games. An 8/6 split in a 14 teamer I think Is also better than 6/8.

just have one question for those who won’t renew if there’s reconstruction. Does that mean you will renew immediately reconstruction has been stopped regardless if the season doesn’t start anytime soon or it’s behind closed doors?
Na. I wouldnt want to ruin the top league just because one team think they just have to not accept relegation.
The league ended early and sporting merit won the day.

[Dr What If?]

I am a fan of reconstruction (two leagues ((14-26)) followed by regional leagues being my preference). Thing is football has to be fun, there needs to be success and failure....there needs to be consequences, success and no failure kinda makes everyone bar the champions the losers.....what has been the point of this season for St Mirren, Hamilton, Ross C., etc....they could have invested in kids if they knew there would be no relegation, everyone would have benefited from that! What was the point for their fans that paid for tickets for games that never actually mattered?
If we want a 14 team top league it would be a lot fairer to promote 3 and relegate 1. Remember the fall out from the 10k stadia criteria? No relegation season after season, SPL viewed as protectionist, crowds fell.....fans aren't stupid, take the fear of failure away and you take away the 'success' of avoiding failure....you take away the fun. Vote to save Hearts, you do so at the cost of the game.

[007]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfls-14-14-16-league-21980287

Scott Burns is usually reliable, although a lot of that article seems to be conjecture. Good to hear a majority of top flight clubs were against a temporary change.

Good to see common sense might prevail.

[Waxy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfls-14-14-16-league-21980287

Scott Burns is usually reliable, although a lot of that article seems to be conjecture. Good to hear a majority of top flight clubs were against a temporary change.
Fully expected this. It will be a 12 club top league next season based on sporting merit from this season. Dont see anything wrong with that. We were all in the same boat.

[Sammy7nil]

Ok I’ll own up. From what I know of the proposals of 14,14,16. I think it’s probably the fairest model. It’s not what I wanted but it’s fair I think not to relegate anyone and to bring up the 2 feeder teams. Before you all pile in , I agree financially and for many other reasons it’s highly likely it’s not gonna happen. My favourite would have been 3 x 16 with 4-6 Premier B teams in the 3rd tier. There are plenty symmetrical split options for any 14 or 16 team models that get you the 4 old firm games. An 8/6 split in a 14 teamer I think Is also better than 6/8.

just have one question for those who won’t renew if there’s reconstruction. Does that mean you will renew immediately reconstruction has been stopped regardless if the season doesn’t start anytime soon or it’s behind closed doors?

It is not about fairness it is about what is best for Scottish football if it was about fairness Hearts and Rangers would no longer exist.

The set up we have is not perfect but the best we can have whilst remaining sustainable.

[chippy]

So we all just happily continue with a structure that is geared to, help the old firm. Where only 2 teams compete, for a while anyway, for the title and the other 10 clubs play for a Euro place( usually 1 tie) or more likely to avoid relegation. What a great league we have. Sorry I forgot success is getting in the top 6 to have another home game vs Huns and possibly Hearts. Brilliant

[007]

It is not about fairness it is about what is best for Scottish football if it was about fairness Hearts and Rangers would no longer exist.

The set up we have is not perfect but the best we can have whilst remaining sustainable.

Exactly. And with so much uncertainty re the future of Scottish football as it is, why take a massive gamble with a proven set up that works?

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

So we all just happily continue with a structure that is geared to, help the old firm. Where only 2 teams compete, for a while anyway, for the title and the other 10 clubs play for a Euro place( usually 1 tie) or more likely to avoid relegation. What a great league we have. Sorry I forgot success is getting in the top 6 to have another home game vs Huns and possibly Hearts. Brilliant

How would adding a terrible Inverness and letting Hearts stay up make any difference to Celtic and Rangers finishing miles ahead of the rest every season? They do so because they are two huge clubs with far more fans and money than the rest, not because we play each other 4 times. They would also romp a 14 team league by outspending everyone else as per

[Waxy]

So we all just happily continue with a structure that is geared to, help the old firm. Where only 2 teams compete, for a while anyway, for the title and the other 10 clubs play for a Euro place( usually 1 tie) or more likely to avoid relegation. What a great league we have. Sorry I forgot success is getting in the top 6 to have another home game vs Huns and possibly Hearts. Brilliant
Always will be the same. Old firm simply have bigger crowds. No one can compete against that with any consistancy.
14 team league is wrong in so many ways. I’d rather just go to an 18 or 20 team league and play every twice with no split.

[Heisenberg]

So we all just happily continue with a structure that is geared to, help the old firm. Where only 2 teams compete, for a while anyway, for the title and the other 10 clubs play for a Euro place( usually 1 tie) or more likely to avoid relegation. What a great league we have. Sorry I forgot success is getting in the top 6 to have another home game vs Huns and possibly Hearts. Brilliant

How would a change to a bonkers 14 team league help challenge the Old firm and their massive attendances and wage budgets?

Sorry but I don’t want Hibs backing a move that could see our league campaign effectively over in February.

[weecounty hibby]

So we all just happily continue with a structure that is geared to, help the old firm. Where only 2 teams compete, for a while anyway, for the title and the other 10 clubs play for a Euro place( usually 1 tie) or more likely to avoid relegation. What a great league we have. Sorry I forgot success is getting in the top 6 to have another home game vs Huns and possibly Hearts. Brilliant

122 league seasons have been completed. Celtic have won 50 and the Hun 54. No other club has won more than 4 and only 10 other clubs have won the top league. Apart from that yeah your right changing to a bigger league will make it better for everyone and we'll all be competing for the championship.

[007]

So we all just happily continue with a structure that is geared to, help the old firm. Where only 2 teams compete, for a while anyway, for the title and the other 10 clubs play for a Euro place( usually 1 tie) or more likely to avoid relegation. What a great league we have. Sorry I forgot success is getting in the top 6 to have another home game vs Huns and possibly Hearts. Brilliant

14 teams doesn't make it any easier to compete with Celtic and Rangers and 16 or more teams would have caused the Sky deal to fall through and therefore the collapse of Scottish football.

[we are hibs]

So we all just happily continue with a structure that is geared to, help the old firm. Where only 2 teams compete, for a while anyway, for the title and the other 10 clubs play for a Euro place( usually 1 tie) or more likely to avoid relegation. What a great league we have. Sorry I forgot success is getting in the top 6 to have another home game vs Huns and possibly Hearts. Brilliant


12, 14, 16, 18, 20. It doesnt matter. Celtic and rangers have more money than everyone else which is what matters most.

[jacomo]

So we all just happily continue with a structure that is geared to, help the old firm. Where only 2 teams compete, for a while anyway, for the title and the other 10 clubs play for a Euro place( usually 1 tie) or more likely to avoid relegation. What a great league we have. Sorry I forgot success is getting in the top 6 to have another home game vs Huns and possibly Hearts. Brilliant


How does expanding the top league by two teams fix any of the problems you mention?

If you think it’s unfair to relegate Hearts then the simplest thing is just to do away with relegation for a season - but of course that is deeply unfair to Dundee Utd.

[weecounty hibby]

Also meant to say that regardless of league size the deciding factor 9 times out of 10 the world over is finances. The more you can spend to buy players and the more you can pay them the more successful you will be. Even when Leicester won the league I think their squad cost about £250m, not a cheap squad! That is why celtic and the Hun will be winners much more often than anyone else in Scotland no matter how big or small the league is

[007]

Also meant to say that regardless of league size the deciding factor 9 times out of 10 the world over is finances. The more you can spend to buy players and the more you can pay them the more successful you will be. Even when Leicester won the league I think their squad cost about £250m, not a cheap squad! That is why celtic and the Hun will be winners much more often than anyone else in Scotland no matter how big or small the league is

Hearts this season being the exception.

[weecounty hibby]

Hearts this season being the exception.

Look at the top of the table though. I was talking about success. Not abject failure like the tarts. Buy yeas an exception and long may it continue for them

[007]

Look at the top of the table though. I was talking about success. Not abject failure like the tarts. Buy yeas an exception and long may it continue for them

I realised that and you are right, it almost always comes down to how much you spend. Unless, as I was pointing out, you're absolutely hopeless. 😂

[The 90+2]

Where’s the “I’m going down” tune? I wish I could remember it to listen just now to get to sleep! Great tune.

[007]

Where’s the “I’m going down” tune? I wish I could remember it to listen just now to get to sleep! Great tune.

Or Status Quo - Down Down.

https://youtu.be/d1gYJDQXPOk

[scm70nyd1973]

Or Status Quo - Down Down.

https://youtu.be/d1gYJDQXPOk

Also add in Tom Petty’s “Free Fallin’” 😁

[chippy]

Totally correct, no one in their right mind would be contemplating reconstructing our entire league structure and ripping up TV contracts at this time when we’ve no idea what the future holds. The sooner this nonsense gets put to bed the better.

one doesn’t necessarily follow the other

[Bristolhibby]

Yip and you have spotted the big issue in all of this. Some clubs will feel hard done to no matter what happens. The RIGHT thing to do is to call the league. Celtic champs and hearts chumps. Hearts feel aggrieved but tough, they have been the worst team for months now. It is the least worst option and needs to happen asap

Correct and accept that the 30 games played take precedence over the 6 that have not been played.

Hearts lose out (as do we I hasten to add from 6th to 7th and into the bottom half).

We do need to finish off the Cup, even if it is three games behind closed doors. One at 1200 on the Wednesday the other at 1500 on Wednesday with the final at 1500 on a Saturday. It would be a quick win and a good way to add to our 2016 trophy.

J

[007]

one doesn’t necessarily follow the other

Yes, one doesn't necessarily follow the other. Do you think Sky wouldn't take the opportunity to renegotiate the deal if the SPFL made a major change like restructuring the leagues?

[McD]

quick question, if anyone help :)


My understanding is that Dundee Utd have now been given a vote in the Premier group, rather than the Championship group, with Hearts to replace them if/when relegation is confirmed.

So that would be 13 votes from Premier clubs, and 9 from Championship clubs - if I've got that correctly, how does that affect the numbers required for any recontruction to pass?

[Waxy]

quick question, if anyone help :)


My understanding is that Dundee Utd have now been given a vote in the Premier group, rather than the Championship group, with Hearts to replace them if/when relegation is confirmed.

So that would be 13 votes from Premier clubs, and 9 from Championship clubs - if I've got that correctly, how does that affect the numbers required for any recontruction to pass?

Either one or the other will have the prem vote.
Which one i do not know but both wont be able to vote in the same division.

[chippy]

Yes, one doesn't necessarily follow the other. Do you think Sky wouldn't take the opportunity to renegotiate the deal if the SPFL made a major change like restructuring the leagues?

It will depend on the contractual terms which I’m blissfully unaware of. Are you in the know?

[jacomo]

one doesn’t necessarily follow the other


I must have missed your post where you explain why a 14 team top division delivers any benefits other than digging Hearts out of a hole of their own making.

[chippy]

I must have missed your post where you explain why a 14 team top division delivers any benefits other than digging Hearts out of a hole of their own making.

cant be arsed repeating myself, if you travel through the thread above I’ve outlined what I see as benefits for expanded leagues whether 14/16/18

[Andy74]

cant be arsed repeating myself, if you travel through the thread above I’ve outlined what I see as benefits for expanded leagues whether 14/16/18

If it is genuinely the right thing long term then I’m sure starting it year after next would be acceptable to everyone?

Best way to ensure short term self interest isn’t driving it.

[The 90+2]

Or Status Quo - Down Down.

https://youtu.be/d1gYJDQXPOk

Great tune, it wasn’t that though.

It was a genius on the guitar:

I’m going down, down down down, I’m going down.

It wasn’t Levein on Budge either 🤭

[O'Rourke3]

Agreed. The Rangers evidence is so compelling, so toxic that only one person is allowed to read it at a time. The most devastating material since the late, great Earnest Scribbler scribed his masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prDoDPIpX4E&t=39sYou nearly had my eye out there.....

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[chippy]

If it is genuinely the right thing long term then I’m sure starting it year after next would be acceptable to everyone?

Best way to ensure short term self interest isn’t driving it.

id welcome that

[O'Rourke3]

I've always been against a 14 team league. 16 team with shared gates (nonstarter thanks to the two cheeks) was my preferred solution years ago. I know there is a bit of support for the 6/8 with some from the 8 in a Euro play-off. My issue with that is the same as 2016. No-one saw or cared about a Championship team in the P/Os and the SCF. I reckon most seasons it would be one of the teams in that new play off likely to be competing in the SCF. So hamstrung by a number of games post season and ruining their Cup Final prep.

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[ScottB]

As said before, you can’t do anything as a reaction to the season being cut short, because it creates precedent that can’t likely be repeated. If next season also gets cut short, the teams in whatever relegation places the newly expanded league has could demand the same treatment and have a fairly solid legal case to back them up. Continually expanding the league is obviously not realistic, and it’s not impossible to think that 20/21 and even 21/22 could be effected by spells of lockdown.

A bigger league is a discussion worth having, but over a longer term, not just to save Hearts’ skin.

[jacomo]

If it is genuinely the right thing long term then I’m sure starting it year after next would be acceptable to everyone?

Best way to ensure short term self interest isn’t driving it.


Also a chance to explore it properly and explain what the advantages are.

Hearts need to go down though.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Where’s the “I’m going down” tune? I wish I could remember it to listen just now to get to sleep! Great tune.

https://youtu.be/3fdZWbIsrFk

[007]

Great tune, it wasn’t that though.

It was a genius on the guitar:

I’m going down, down down down, I’m going down.

It wasn’t Levein on Budge either 🤭


https://youtu.be/3fdZWbIsrFk

Beat me to it GH. 😀

I'll post the link I'd found anyway as it's a live version.

https://youtu.be/j6-9p9O-nYw

[007]

It will depend on the contractual terms which I’m blissfully unaware of. Are you in the know?

Well aware it depends on the terms of the contract. I'd expect Sky and their solicitors would ensure there are clauses covering something major like reconstruction of the leagues. I don't always believe pundits/journalists but I believe them when they say that broadcasters don't want only 2 Rangers and Celtic league games a season.

I asked you what you think not what you know. Do you THINK Sky could or could not renegotiate or cancel their deal if the league was changed to 16 or more teams?

[Waxy]

The complications of changing the number of teams are well.............complicated.
Youd maybe have to vote to change voting system in principal first from 11-1 to 14-1?
It wont get off the starting blocks.

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[Heisenberg]

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I’m nowhere near as clever or clued up as these lawyers, but there’s a rule in place which states the SPFL board can decide when a season finishes? Surely that’s what they’ve done by allowing the clubs to vote on it ending now? Quite good that their independent lawyer has extremely strong links to the team getting relegated (not expelled).

Budgie has also already confirmed they won’t challenge it legally if relegated.

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Oh they’re getting really bitter now.
The toys are flying everywhere.
The season has been completed pal.
It ended early therefore 100% of games have been played.

[MrSmith]

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I have spoken with Lesley Deans on a few occasions, I like him and he does wear his heart on his sleeve regarding HMFC which is fair enough because he is emotionally attached to them. However, he is wrong in his assertion given the the current situation we are in plus a Judge is only interested in facts and will make a decision based upon the current facts at her/his disposal. A judge would not find for Hearts because their action would not based on current facts as it’s all ands, ifs, buts & supposition.

I’m definitely up for change but not some shabby cack-handed monstrosity that is a complete pile of poo! take the next year and sort meaningful change for season 21/22.

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Aye, “independent” 🙄

[Since452]

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Imagine suing because of safety decisions over a mass pandemic. Hearts class.

[we are hibs]

The season is over after 38 league games or otherwise determined by the board. Its in the rules. Hearts dont have a legal leg to stand on.

[Kato]

I’m nowhere near as clever or clued up as these lawyers, but there’s a rule in place which states the SPFL board can decide when a season finishes? Surely that’s what they’ve done by allowing the clubs to vote on it ending now? Quite good that their independent lawyer has extremely strong links to the team getting relegated (not expelled).

Budgie has also already confirmed they won’t challenge it legally if relegated.

The "independent" advice the EEN are publishing is from suspected money launderer Leslie Deans ex-Hearts Director. The idea that he might spouting rubbish is quite a strong one.

[Rumble de Thump]

The Edinburgh Evening News has some cheek including that blurb at the end of Barry Anderson articles..."In order for us to continue to provide high quality and trusted local news..."

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"A club can only be relegated once the season is completed. The league, as we know, has not been completed."

Completely missing the point that over 80% of scottish football teams voted in favour of the season being completed, meaning that Hearts can in fact be relegated.

Sooner clubs vote against reconstruction and Hearts are officially back in the lower leagues the better.

[Peevemor]

I have spoken with Lesley Deans on a few occasions, I like him and he does wear his heart on his sleeve regarding HMFC which is fair enough because he is emotionally attached to them. However, he is wrong in his assertion given the the current situation we are in plus a Judge is only interested in facts and will make a decision based upon the current facts at her/his disposal. A judge would not find for Hearts because their action would not based on current facts as it’s all ands, ifs, buts & supposition.

I’m definitely up for change but not some shabby cack-handed monstrosity that is a complete pile of poo! take the next year and sort meaningful change for season 21/22.

He definitely is wrong - he should stick to selling flats. Hearts won't be relegated without the seeing being completed - it's just that it's not going to be completed in it's normal way.

I see he's also refusing to accept the word relegation, saying that it'll be an "ejection" - like we give a toss Les.

I had business dealings with him once and he screwed up. He was extremely slimey in how he try to deal with it - he verbally admitted his error and offered a solution had things ended up being more problematic, but wouldn't put anything in writing to that effect - aye right!

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The fact that AllisBarry is reporting the view of an ex-Jambo chairman tells you all you need to know. Self-serving despiration coming from Gorgie 😋

[Waxy]

This is a joke article.
What next?’
Barry Anderson says you have to let hearts stay up or i’ll no give you one of my sweets.

[FilipinoHibs]

He definitely is wrong - he should stick to selling flats. Hearts won't be relegated without the seeing being completed - it's just that it's not going to be completed in it's normal way.

I see he's also refusing to accept the word relegation, saying that it'll be an "ejection" - like we give a toss Les.

I had business dealings with him once and he screwed up. He was extremely slimey in how he try to deal with it - he verbally admitted his error and offered a solution had things ended up being more problematic, but wouldn't put anything in writing to that effect - aye right!

It was a VAT scam. Case was dropped in the end for insufficient evidence. There are those on here who defend him.

[Peevemor]

It was a VAT scam. Case was dropped in the end for insufficient evidence. There are those on here who defend him.

I was speaking about a specific property purchase that he screwed up.

[MrSmith]

I'm not defending him at all just had pleasant dealings with him when buying and selling houses through his company over the years.

[007]

I’m nowhere near as clever or clued up as these lawyers, but there’s a rule in place which states the SPFL board can decide when a season finishes? Surely that’s what they’ve done by allowing the clubs to vote on it ending now? Quite good that their independent lawyer has extremely strong links to the team getting relegated (not expelled).

Budgie has also already confirmed they won’t challenge it legally if relegated.

If they do challenge it in court there's no chance of Tom English asking her why they have after she said they wouldn't.

[Peevemor]

If they do challenge it in court there's no chance of Tom English asking her why they have after she said they wouldn't.

Deans can say what he wants to the EEN - I think Budge has accepted that there'll be no point taking legal action.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Aye, “independent” 🙄

They read KB as a source of legal advice, independent of Bandersons

[lucky]

He contradicts himself in the article, he’s says as no play offs are taking place this is breech in the rules. But happily forgets that if there’s restructuring of a 14 team top league. If his legal advice is sound then every club in the play offs in all the leagues would have a case. The mans is being extremely subjective as he wants his thieving club to stay up

[green day]

"A club can only be relegated once the season is completed. The league, as we know, has not been completed."

Completely missing the point that over 80% of scottish football teams voted in favour of the season being completed, meaning that Hearts can in fact be relegated.

Sooner clubs vote against reconstruction and Hearts are officially back in the lower leagues the better.

Deans has not read the SPFL articles on what constitutes "the season" and hence its completion.
I cant remember the exact words, but it says something like "the league season will end after X number of rounds have been completed or another date as determined by the SPFL board".

In truth, the SPFL board could call the league right now, but they - correctly if clumsily - asked the clubs themselves to vote on it.

Deans is using classic Lawyerspeak to dress up his opinion as fact. The SPFL have a rather stronger case - the articles which all the clubs (including Partick and Hearts) signed up to.

[007]

He contradicts himself in the article, he’s says as no play offs are taking place this is breech in the rules. But happily forgets that if there’s restructuring of a 14 team top league. If his legal advice is sound then every club in the play offs in all the leagues would have a case. The mans is being extremely subjective as he wants his thieving club to stay up

Plus the clown says it would be a 7-7 split so he's chucking any credibility he has out the window along with sporting integrity. You can't have one team sitting out on the final round of fixtures whilst the other teams are playing at the same time. Sooner or later you'll end up with this situation:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gij%C3%B3n

It is possible to still get that scenario but the chances are greatly increased when one team has played all their games before the rest have.

[04Sauzee]

Mind Barry Anderson reported Hearts were getting an Advance on their shirt sponsorship money. Not a loan but an advance and he cocked up the numbers and reported in in millions and not thousands and that was in the EEN. Boys a total trumpet

In fact Hibs net have it here

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?267355-Wonga-advances-some-cash-to-HMFC-Barry-Anderson-makes-a-pillock-of-himself-(again)/page4

[jacomo]

The Edinburgh Evening News has some cheek including that blurb at the end of Barry Anderson articles..."In order for us to continue to provide high quality and trusted local news..."


Saddens me what has happened to the once well-respected Scotsman, but Banderson and his ilk are an absolute joke.

In a town full of lawyers, he goes to Leslie Deans for legal opinion on a matter involving Hearts??

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This "legal opinion" from a QC or a Flat seller?

[MrSmith]

Saddens me what has happened to the once well-respected Scotsman, but Banderson and his ilk are an absolute joke.

In a town full of lawyers, he goes to Leslie Deans for legal opinion on a matter involving Hearts??

Deans is conveyancing as far as I'm aware so, he may know a fair bit about law regarding properties but sporting law is a specialism not in his skillset.

[GreenCastle]

Ejected / relegated / demoted - this is priceless!

As the song goes..

Hearts are going down...that’s all what really matters !

[Waxy]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo to
re con struction


nooooooooooaaaaaaaaaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[offshorehibby]

I can't find an online version but there was a bit in yesterdays Sun (I know) that UEFA are looking at a plan put forward by some Dutch company to 'realign' the seasons up until the next world cup.

They propose to restart the season late October with a view to completing the leagues by the start of December. Season 2020/21 would kick off at the end of December and run to November 1st 2021, with a month long break for the 2020 Euros. Season 2021/22 would start middle of December 2021 and run until November 1st 2022, before the next world cup. The 2022/23 season would be played from the start of January until the middle of July, in a crammed in campaign. The following season would start in the middle of August 2023, meaning football returns to it's normal calendar in 3 years.

A bit of a hectic scheduled and it doesn't give players much time off. I've not seen anything re this online anywhere.

[GreenPJ]

This is from the BBC website - I am assuming the Leagues have never formally admitted that this is to avoid relegation - "After it was passed, the league set up a taskforce of 15 representatives from clubs, chaired by Ann Budge of Hearts and Les Gray of Hamilton Academical, to examine league reconstruction to potentially prevent clubs from suffering the effects of relegation."

[CentreLine]

I can't find an online version but there was a bit in yesterdays Sun (I know) that UEFA are looking at a plan put forward by some Dutch company to 'realign' the seasons up until the next world cup.

They propose to restart the season late October with a view to completing the leagues by the start of December. Season 2020/21 would kick off at the end of December and run to November 1st 2021, with a month long break for the 2020 Euros. Season 2021/22 would start middle of December 2021 and run until November 1st 2022, before the next world cup. The 2022/23 season would be played from the start of January until the middle of July, in a crammed in campaign. The following season would start in the middle of August 2023, meaning football returns to it's normal calendar in 3 years.

A bit of a hectic scheduled and it doesn't give players much time off. I've not seen anything re this online anywhere.

Wow! Add to that the commitment of clubs who qualify for European competitions and international breaks. There is a danger of players becoming burnt out just by reading the proposal. Imagine the fuss the The Rangers would make about fixture congestion 🤔

[Bostonhibby]

Deans can say what he wants to the EEN - I think Budge has accepted that there'll be no point taking legal action.They're rooked if dragging out Deans for his "expertise" is all that's left.

Maybe he'll fund it if he believes in it.

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[jacomo]

Deans is conveyancing as far as I'm aware so, he may know a fair bit about law regarding properties but sporting law is a specialism not in his skillset.


Who’s betting he is also the source of Budges legal advice?

It would be just like her to run her mouth off on the basis of very non-expert opinion.

[Bostonhibby]

Who’s betting he is also the source of Budges legal advice?

It would be just like her to run her mouth off on the basis of very non-expert opinion.Hope so, it's a bit like getting your dentist to fix a broken leg.

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Who are Hearts going to sue? Is it not a FIFA rule that if you sue your own football association in local courts it results in expulsion?

[hibee-boys]

Any idea when this has all to be decided by, this is all dragging on far too long.

[Iggy Pope]

They're rooked if dragging out Deans for his "expertise" is all that's left.

Maybe he'll fund it if he believes in it.

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Can we revert to “
“Alleged Money Launderer” Leslie Deans?

[Bostonhibby]

Can we revert to “
“Alleged Money Launderer” Leslie Deans?Works for me.

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[Back Lounge]

The thread headline is about to be confirmed.

A few statements this evening, I think.

[Heisenberg]

Big Raman must’ve heard something after the meeting today...

“ If I had a fiver to wager on which league Hearts will be playing in next season, it’ll be in the Championship. League reconstruction won’t happen.”

[Waxy]

Friday late afternoon is a good time to get news like this out.

[Since452]

Big Raman must’ve heard something after the meeting today...

“ If I had a fiver to wager on which league Hearts will be playing in next season, it’ll be in the Championship. League reconstruction won’t happen.”

Well that's perked me up a bit

[Sir David Gray]

Big Raman must’ve heard something after the meeting today...

“ If I had a fiver to wager on which league Hearts will be playing in next season, it’ll be in the Championship. League reconstruction won’t happen.”

I've had worse Bank Holidays.

[grunt]

A few statements this evening, I think.Statement Friday!

[marinello59]

STV have tweeted it now, no reconstruction.

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1258794101874491392?s=20

[Waxy]

STV have tweeted it now, no reconstruction.

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1258794101874491392?s=20

And rightly so. Absolutely zero to do with hearts being bottom. Thats a good bonus though.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5575687/hearts-set-for-relegation-reconstruction-collapse/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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[Andy74]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5575687/hearts-set-for-relegation-reconstruction-collapse/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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Well said. Talk about it when not having to deal with a crisis.

[Heisenberg]

Hahahahahahahahahahah

Budgie has been played. Can’t wait for the statement.

[erin go bragh]

Jim Spence just tweeting this ⬇️
League Reconstruction dead in the water so @JamTarts relegated. Good for crowds but tougher for @DundeeFC @officialdafc @ArbroathFC and others who will now have the Jambos in the championship next season. Tough enough league at the best of times.

[A Hi-Bee]

Jim Spence just tweeting this ⬇️
League Reconstruction dead in the water so @JamTarts relegated. Good for crowds but tougher for @DundeeFC @officialdafc @ArbroathFC and others who will now have the Jambos in the championship next season. Tough enough league at the best of times.

Right tough luck
**** the hertz

[Peevemor]

Good. It was never going to happen.

[Ozyhibby]

Sounds like the rest of the clubs are sick of the nonsense and have knocked it on the head to concentrate on important stuff.


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[WoreTheGreen]

Thank Christ I have spent the whole of lockdown building a balcony with a Bulgarian flag

[truehibernian]

Big Raman must’ve heard something after the meeting today...

“ If I had a fiver to wager on which league Hearts will be playing in next season, it’ll be in the Championship. League reconstruction won’t happen.”

I'd prefer Jim Hellova wagering if honest :greengrin:aok: better tipster :wink:

Hearts will be relegated - just the dotting the 'i's' crossing the 't's' and wiping away the Jambo tears to confirm hopefully :aok:

[Mikey]

@gdown:

[supermcginn]

Hahahaha goodbye!

[McD]

Well said. Talk about it when not having to deal with a crisis.


wonder how keen hearts and budge will be to talk about it next summer if they’ve won promotion - zero is my conservative estimate... at which time they should be reminded about their whining about ‘betterment of Scottish football’, and shown how full of **** they really are

[kdhibees1]

Cheery bye then 👋

[Billy Whizz]

Good. It was never going to happen.

I thought they might have gone for 12 in the championship

[Kojock]

As Dame Vera once famously sang, “We’ll Meet Again”

[ballengeich]

I thought they might have gone for 12 in the championship

Anything that involves bringing in two extra clubs with the possibility of returning to 42 by relegating 3 from league 2 in future was going to get blocked by league 2 voting as a group.

[Glory Lurker]

Not had time to read anything on the board to catch up on any developments there might have been today but I'm coming round to the idea of reconstruction.

[Hibeesmad]

It was never going to happen now in the middle of a global pandemic where teams have more important things to worry about. Hearts were also always going to relegated whether the season was completed or not. Good riddance. The wee team in Edinburgh are down again.

[Pretty Boy]

You know I'm absolutely sick of them since they ended us as a club. They really have gone from strength to strength.

[Peevemor]

I thought they might have gone for 12 in the championshipYep, I thought possibly 12, 12, 10, 10, but the top flight was never going to be changed, not with the 11-1 requirement.

[BILLYHIBS]

Now off you pop!

Tattie bye!

[Bostonhibby]

This cannot be right, Task Force Budge had all been given discussion documents about what colour of folders to use and they'd already ordered pens and paper clips, admittedly they hadn't arrived yet but she's a successful business person FFS.

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[delbert]

It was never going to happen now in the middle of a global pandemic where teams have more important things to worry about. Hearts were also always going to relegated whether the season was completed or not. Good riddance. The wee team in Edinburgh are down again.

The good thing is that since Budge and her cohorts said this reconstruction plan was all about what’s good for Scottish football as a whole, this gives her plenty time to refine her plan and bring it back at the end of next season, just in time to stop the ****bos from dropping into the First Division so good news all round !

[HibbyAndy]

Is this them doon for sure then ?

[Vault Boy]

Ahahahaha 👋

[Glory Lurker]

Is this them doon for sure then ?

Not actually yet. Season needs to be called.

[delbert]

This cannot be right, Task Force Budge had all been given discussion documents about what colour of folders to use and they'd already ordered pens and paper clips, admittedly they hadn't arrived yet but she's a successful business person FFS.

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But they’d forgotten to order the seats for the meetings !

[Bostonhibby]

Will Boycey and Naisy want to hang around for the Championship season? Hope so.

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[HibbyAndy]

Not actually yet. Season needs to be called.

booooooo

[Glory Lurker]

booooooo

Mere formality ;-)

[danhibees1875]

I wonder when they're likely to call the season.

Rangers have maybe shone a spotlight on financial liabilities of doing so and other leagues are starting to get on with closed door games. If those trials are a success they could yet play the season. Although I think the difficulties with contracts and next season might rule that out.

[Kojock]

Now where did Budgie put that relegation contingency plan again ??

[HibbyAndy]

Mere formality ;-)

Hope so mate :aok:

[Hibeesmad]

I wonder when they're likely to call the season.

Rangers have maybe shone a spotlight on financial liabilities of doing so and other leagues are starting to get on with closed door games. If those trials are a success they could yet play the season. Although I think the difficulties with contracts and next season might rule that out.

Am I right in saying that league would need to be completed by July? And the Scottish Government have stated teams need at least 6 weeks of training before games being played. I think the season being completed is a no go.

[Waxy]

Is this them doon for sure then ?

We’re kinda at the impossible to finish stage now so the league will probably be called shortly.
I guess Tuesday.

[Jakhog1]

Their documentary cannot come quick enough, essential viewing, what a basket case club they are

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The GOATs have it...

Get down, get down...


https://youtu.be/e--dv201zhE

[Hibeesmad]

Their documentary cannot come quick enough, essential viewing, what a basket case club they are

Forgot about that. Buzzing.

[Bostonhibby]

Now where did Budgie put that relegation contingency plan again ??Going to be tough for them, there's hardly any flour on the supermarket shelves.

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[mutley]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52592567

Dead in the water HA big LOLZ


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[Real Emerald]

Do you call this Natural Order or something, seems about right 😂😂😂

[Jakhog1]

Going to be tough for them, there's hardly any flour on the supermarket shelves.

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All is ok, they have these bad boys to sell

https://www.heartsdirect.co.uk/item/1978/GiftsMerchandise/HMFC-Gnome.html

[kdhibees1]

Tears are streaming doon ma coupon sitting on my balcony in Bulgaria

[Hibs4185]

Tears are streaming doon ma coupon sitting on my balcony in Bulgaria

I think all hibs fans should have a clap outside their homes every Friday at 5pm in honour of the SPFL and the way they have handled the Covid-19 situation.

[007]

Yeah, defo look at reconstruction in future. I quite like the idea of 14-10-10-10, I think it could be a goer. :cb

[RoscoHibby]

Do you call this Natural Order or something, seems about right 😂😂😂

Aye, it’s a good laugh innit....🤣🤣🤣

[Keith_M]

STV have tweeted it now, no reconstruction.

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1258794101874491392?s=20



:cheers: :partyhibb :rotflmao: :woohoo:


:chop:


:titanic:

@gdown:

:cheerio:

:jamboclow

:yamlaugh:

[007]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52592567

Dead in the water HA big LOLZ


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Article says 9-3 was needed for 14-14-14, so they didn't even get 8 others on board.

[Eyrie]

Congratulations to Hearts!

After all the time, effort and money you've put in to staying isolated at the bottom of the league for so long, you've finally got your deserved reward.

[Sir David Gray]

Yeah, defo look at reconstruction in future. I quite like the idea of 14-10-10-10, I think it could be a goer. :cb

I quite fancy going back to a 10 team top flight the season after next. 2 teams relegated, no promotion from the Championship. :greengrin

[Real Emerald]

I quite fancy going back to a 10 team top flight the next after next. 2 teams relegated, no promotion from the Championship. :greengrin

I actually typed up the exact same sentence but you beat me to it 😂

[Joe6-2]

Nah, cut the top tier to 10 at end of next season - 2 down, none up. We could ask Anne to head up the implementation team :greengrin

Now you’re talking

[Billy Whizz]

Looking forward to the joint chairs of the reconstruction group, Les Gray and Ann Budge releasing their statement

[calumhibee1]

Hahahaha. Absolute fannys.

[weecounty hibby]

🎶Bye, bye jam tarts🎶 get it right ****ing roond ye ya shower of poppy theiving, charity robbing, tax dodging, pension stealing low life. Now that is natural order, karma and justice rolled into one. Please don't come back for a few years, hopefully you will do a Sunderland

[A Hi-Bee]

Next season would be a great time to look at redoing the league, perhaps relegate 2 with non up to make a 10 team league.

:thumbsup:

[Hibeesmad]

Looking forward to the joint chairs of the reconstruction group, Les Gray and Ann Budge releasing their statement

I don't think Hamilton were ever that bothered to be honest. Their chairman came out last week slamming Budge for only wanting temporary reconstruction to save themselves.

[Waxy]

Coronagated.

[Hibeesmad]

Next step for Hearts will likely be them asking their supporters to dip back into their pockets to afford a legal case, which I expect would be a waste of money.

[Bristolhibby]

Going to be tough for them, there's hardly any flour on the supermarket shelves.

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Hahaha.

That’s brilliant.

[rossevenil]

Bye bye and dinnae let the trap door hit yous on the ass on the way down! :greengrin:flag::thumbsup:

[Waxy]

Next step for Hearts will likely be them asking their supporters to dip back into their pockets to afford a legal case, which I expect would be a waste of money.

They’ve zero chance. They voted in the resolution.
That in itself should be enough to have no chance of fighting it in the courts.

[tamig]

Their documentary cannot come quick enough, essential viewing, what a basket case club they are

I wonder if we’ll get an inside view of the statement factory?

[Jakhog1]

I wonder if we’ll get an inside view of the statement factory?

That might take up about 3 hours of the documentary the amount of slavering they have been doing this season, think it could be comedy gold along the lines of the office, there will be so much material

[007]

I quite fancy going back to a 10 team top flight the season after next. 2 teams relegated, no promotion from the Championship. :greengrin

Yeah, that sounds good too. Maybe get talks underway soon. None of this rushing it through in 3 weeks malarkey.

[Box 17]

Their documentary cannot come quick enough, essential viewing, what a basket case club they are

If I were one of the players, for the sake of my future career and so not to be humiliated on national TV I'd be insisting on my face being blurred out..

[Onion]

That might take up about 3 hours of the documentary the amount of slavering they have been doing this season, think it could be comedy gold along the lines of the office, there will be so much material

Cannot believe the Yams have allowed a Documentary team into the PBS for this of all seasons. It will be a best seller among the fans of the club that supported the NHS. True comedy gold.

[Onion]

That might take up about 3 hours of the documentary the amount of slavering they have been doing this season, think it could be comedy gold along the lines of the office, there will be so much material

Cannot believe the Yams have allowed a Documentary team into the PBS for this of all seasons. It will be a best seller among the fans of the club that supported the NHS. True comedy gold.

[Billy Whizz]

Cannot believe the Yams have allowed a Documentary team into the PBS for this of all seasons. It will be a best seller among the fans of the club that supported the NHS. True comedy gold.

Must have been for money

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/falkirk-blast-spfl-stinging-statement-21998802.amp?__twitter_impression=true

6 prem teams say they would not support any type of reconstruction.


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[GreenCastle]

Get the popcorn out again..

Some of the statements coming out from clubs such as Falkirk are hilarious.

I’m just glad Hibs aren’t directly involved in this as such - can sit back and watch everyone go wild.

[jacomo]

I don't think Hamilton were ever that bothered to be honest. Their chairman came out last week slamming Budge for only wanting temporary reconstruction to save themselves.


Hamilton do want reconstruction though.

They will be raging at Budge because she blew their chance.

[Hibeesmad]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-help-torpedo-hearts-premiership-21998887?2

Well done Leeann 😅

[007]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-help-torpedo-hearts-premiership-21998887?2

Well done Leeann 😅

That should help shift a few more season tickets.

[Hillsidehibby]

A small cabal who run Scottish football??

I never knew this? Who are they? We should be told

[Joe6-2]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/falkirk-blast-spfl-stinging-statement-21998802.amp?__twitter_impression=true

6 prem teams say they would not support any type of reconstruction.


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What an absolute load of crap!

[allezsauzee]

That should help shift a few more season tickets.

I would have been scunnered if we were complicit in keeping those shysters up. Good to see we aren't entertaining their plans to move the goalposts.

[007]

Funny how Keith Jackson only mentions us. Nowt about what Celtic, Rangers or anyone else said.

[Joe6-2]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-help-torpedo-hearts-premiership-21998887?2

Well done Leeann 😅

to break the news to reeling Hearts owner Budge in an emotional video conference call,
Emotional? Really?

[Topographic Hibby]

to break the news to reeling Hearts owner Budge in an emotional video conference call,
Emotional? Really?Please tell me that Leeann found the "record" button on Zoom...!!! :greengrin

[bawheid]

Looks like Leeann has been keeping up to date with Hibs.net and “sent ‘em down!”

[FilipinoHibs]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-help-torpedo-hearts-premiership-21998887?2

Well done Leeann 😅

Sure it was a business decision but still cracking all the same🤪

[weecounty hibby]

to break the news to reeling Hearts owner Budge in an emotional video conference call,
Emotional? Really?

Laughing hysterically is an emotion!!!

[Joe6-2]

Laughing hysterically is an emotion!!!

😂

[Col2]

Please tell me that Leeann found the "record" button on Zoom...!!! :greengrin

I think you need to ask people in advance if you are recording and I am sure a wee voice message comes through.

Can you imagine....

Just before delivering the news....

Leanne....”Ann, just before we continue I am assuming you or anyone else doesn’t have any issues with this being recorded?”

Ann Budge “em, well I guess..”

Leanne....”ok thanks, great......it’s for eh training purposes..”

[JimBHibees]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-help-torpedo-hearts-premiership-21998887?2

Well done Leeann 😅

Awful article but the picture of Leann and Ron is tremendous.

[JimBHibees]

Funny how Keith Jackson only mentions us. Nowt about what Celtic, Rangers or anyone else said.

Indeed absolute kok.

[murray26]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-help-torpedo-hearts-premiership-21998887?2

Well done Leeann 😅

I really hope footage of this zoom call is on there documentary 😂😂

[we are hibs]

Lets hope thats an end to all this getting close to Hearts pish. The next derby is going to be tasty. Hope it happens in my lifetime

[we are hibs]

Also GIRFUY to falkirk. Staying down

[Vault Boy]

Awful article but the picture of Leann and Ron is tremendous.

Leeann and Ron both with beaming smiles, right above the opening line of the new paragraph 'Budge is furious.' :faf:

[Rumble de Thump]

Also GIRFUY to falkirk. Staying down

Doesn't David McCracken manage Falkirk. That's a shame.

[Hibeesmad]

Doesn't David McCracken manage Falkirk. That's a shame.

Him and Lee Miller. **** the both of them.

[mjhibby]

Much as the SPFL board and Doncaster have made a pigs ear of things they played a blinder in offering reconstruction talks to push through the vote for the lower leagues.They knew there was no chance of the SPFL agreeing to any change. Btw what did Sevco vote for. Haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere. No when can get on with ensuring we try and keep 42 clubs afloat. I worry we might lose one or two and could mean Kelty,Brora and even Bonnyrigg joining the league.

[hibee-boys]

Well done Leanne and Ron, you've now secured another season ticket for next year👍

[Aldo]

Much as the SPFL board and Doncaster have made a pigs ear of things they played a blinder in offering reconstruction talks to push through the vote for the lower leagues.They knew there was no chance of the SPFL agreeing to any change. Btw what did Sevco vote for. Haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere. No when can get on with ensuring we try and keep 42 clubs afloat. I worry we might lose one or two and could mean Kelty,Brora and even Bonnyrigg joining the league.

Did someone on here not post they had connections at executive level at a club and both the OF voted for reconstruction!


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