NO to reconstruction

[Jim44]

I don't think any vote is or has taken place, indications were asked for which i guess is the same . The Times reckon is all over the status quo will be announced tomorrow
Hearts can go to court if they want but i think thats when the SFA will step in.

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I’m not questioning what you say, but what do you mean by the SFA stepping in? Hearts will definitely be taking legal action against the SPFL but I’ve never considered the involvement of the SFA. I know there are some sort of UEFA rules about the sanctions for taking legal action against your association but where and when they come into force is unclear.

[Waxy]

Whens the SPFL fixtures due? Must be shortly now?

[Dashing Bob S]

I’m not sure whether I’ve gotten bored with Hearts making fools of themselves on this issue or whether I’m still enjoying it.

On balance I still think it’s the latter. Bring on the legal challenge Budgie!

[Mikey]

Whens the SPFL fixtures due? Must be shortly now?

It would be top trolling by Doncaster to put them out 15 minutes after he confirms that there will be no reconstruction.

Fixtures for lower league teams like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts can wait until September.

[mutley]

It would be top trolling by Doncaster to put them out 15 minutes after he confirms that there will be no reconstruction.

Fixtures for lower league teams like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts can wait until September.


15 minutes before would be even funnier

[inglisavhibs]

Whens the SPFL fixtures due? Must be shortly now?
Usually June 21st but takes a while understandably, they need to get started very soon.

[malcolm]

I’m not questioning what you say, but what do you mean by the SFA stepping in? Hearts will definitely be taking legal action against the SPFL but I’ve never considered the involvement of the SFA. I know there are some sort of UEFA rules about the sanctions for taking legal action against your association but where and when they come into force is unclear.

Considering that I can’t see anything resembling a realistic case and no one has explained what that might be other than throwing around the odd unsubstantiated buzz words, I really doubt that there is anything definite about it :wink:

[Billy Whizz]

Usually June 21st but takes a while understandably, they need to get started very soon.

Don’t think we can release them until UEFA set out their timetable

[PatHead]

Don’t think we can release them until UEFA set out their timetable

Can they not release the lower league fixtures so that teams like Arbroath, Alloa and Hearts can start to prepare?

They don't need to worry about the impact of European ties.

[Waxy]

It would be top trolling by Doncaster to put them out 15 minutes after he confirms that there will be no reconstruction.

Fixtures for lower league teams like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts can wait until September.

I had previously thought that lower league teams such as Alloa, Arbroath, Morton and Hearts had to wait till October for their league start?

[Billy Whizz]

I had previously thought that lower league teams such as Alloa, Arbroath, Morton and Hearts had to wait till October for their league start?

They are, looks like a 27 game season as well

[Nakedmanoncrack]

They are, looks like a 27 game season as well

I assume that if it's only a 27 game, 'part season', they wouldn't accept promotion in those circumstances (should they be in a promtion place after the 27 games)?

[hibbyfraelibby]

I’m not questioning what you say, but what do you mean by the SFA stepping in? Hearts will definitely be taking legal action against the SPFL but I’ve never considered the involvement of the SFA. I know there are some sort of UEFA rules about the sanctions for taking legal action against your association but where and when they come into force is unclear.

SFA Article 99 on Arbitration comes into play, as does Article 36 on Club Licensing.

Its part of Hearts licence that they must submit any dispute to binding arbitration. It does not have to be a dispute with the SFA directly as some of the legal eagles on Keekboak seem to think.

The SFA can call in any dispute at any time and indeed is obligated by its own articles and membership of UEFA and FIFA imposes.

Taking the SPFL to a civil court is in breach of their club license and grounds for suspension by not following the requirements obligated under Article 99.

Its not just Article 5.1.(c) they need to consider and worry about.

[Waxy]

I assume that if it's only a 27 game, 'part season', they wouldn't accept promotion in those circumstances (should they be in a promtion place after the 27 games)?

So they’re going to finish next season eight or nine games early?
That might not go well for them.

[EI255]

Usually June 21st but takes a while understandably, they need to get started very soon.Celtic seem to think that's the date.

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[Greenworld]

SFA Article 99 on Arbitration comes into play, as does Article 36 on Club Licensing.

Its part of Hearts licence that they must submit any dispute to binding arbitration. It does not have to be a dispute with the SFA directly as some of the legal eagles on Keekboak seem to think.

The SFA can call in any dispute at any time and indeed is obligated by its own articles and membership of UEFA and FIFA imposes.

Taking the SPFL to a civil court is in breach of their club license and grounds for suspension by not following the requirements obligated under Article 99.

Its not just Article 5.1.(c) they need to consider and worry about.Thanks LoL

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[Mikey]

I had previously thought that lower league teams such as Alloa, Arbroath, Morton and Hearts had to wait till October for their league start?

Yes, but lower league teams like Alloa, Arbroath and Morton should find out in September when they get a trip to the big city.

[Billy Whizz]

So they’re going to finish next season eight or nine games early?
That might not go well for them.

Going to start 8/9 games late😄

[Tug Wilson]

It's looking grim for our pink chums. But I won't believe they're actually down until they kick off their first league game of next season at Gayfield (or another Championship stadium - eg Indrodil or Tynecastle) some time around October.

I think that when the Premiership kicks off without them will do for me.

[Waxy]

Yes, but lower league teams like Alloa, Arbroath and Morton should find out in September when they get a trip to the big city.

AaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaagh
Likewise.Lower league towns such as Alloa, Arbroath and Greenock should look forward to an unusual economic boost when massive football clubs with 400,000 fans descend on their towns.

[Since452]

Imagine being a Hearts fan having to watch the big teams like Ross County and Hamilton play for a couple months before they kick off against some part time outfit. Rivetting.

[Irish_Steve]

Hope no undercover Jambos are reading this.........actually who am I kidding, English FA vote for promotion and relegation. The maroon trumpets won`t be able to whine that Scotland has the only leagues in Europe willing to relegate teams before the season is out.

Get down, ya wallopers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52705124

[007]

Good old Saughton

Saughton Jambo Saughton Jambo

Posted 16 minutes ago





I’m putting my head above the parapet so feel free to take a pop if this goes pear shaped. I don’t believe it will and It’s not that far fetched as some are trying to believe. Some clubs are proving difficult and this we know. However I’m not going deeper into this but the bottom line is the SPFL want reconstruction and what they usually want they usually get. In my own words of course and if reconstruction is not decided on by tomorrow latest then there will be a 48hr period of emergency talks before there is a forced action by the governing body.


I said we’d be popping champagne corks this weekend and that’s still my belief.

Wonder if it was from this guy's posts or the other guy's that Budge got the idea that perhaps maybe there's a rule (though she's not sure because she hasn't looked at them) that might let Doncaster force through reconstruction. Or maybe one of them is actually Budge herself. 🤭

You'd have thought a top business person would have checked it out to know for certain before blurting it out in a interview and getting the fans' hopes up. Maybe she was just having a Trump ingesting disinfectant cures Covid-19 moment. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the people giving her advice. If I was a Jambo I'd be concerned if the same person that fed her that titbit is also someone she'll be relying on in a coutroom.

Doncaster might strongly recommend reconstruction, say the alternative could well be legal action and reiterate the potential consequences of that, but after looking at the rules I'm confident he can't force it through. Loads of journalists will have heard the interview and you'd expect some of them at least to try and find out if it was true. It would be a huge story if Doncaster could do that yet none have published an article saying he can.

I might be proved wrong however, if it is announced the clubs couldn't agree on reconstruction then it's a good bet Doncaster forcing through reconstruction (if he does in fact have that power) would be announced either at the same time or very soon afterwards.

[Jim44]

SFA Article 99 on Arbitration comes into play, as does Article 36 on Club Licensing.

Its part of Hearts licence that they must submit any dispute to binding arbitration. It does not have to be a dispute with the SFA directly as some of the legal eagles on Keekboak seem to think.

The SFA can call in any dispute at any time and indeed is obligated by its own articles and membership of UEFA and FIFA imposes.

Taking the SPFL to a civil court is in breach of their club license and grounds for suspension by not following the requirements obligated under Article 99.

Its not just Article 5.1.(c) they need to consider and worry about.

:aok: Thanks for the explanation.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Imagine being a Hearts fan having to watch the big teams like Ross County and Hamilton play for a couple months before they kick off against some part time outfit. Rivetting.

No they won’t

This would be part of the boycott

Remember, we’ll all suffer and die without the maroon pound

[Jim44]

Saughton Jambo and Kiwidug are the Dumb and Dumber of KB. :greengrin

[hibbyfraelibby]

Saughton Jambo and Kiwidug are the Dumb and Dumber of KB. :greengrin

I have a theory that SJ is Leslie The Lauderer and KD is actually Lord Pishy Breeks...

[hibeerealist]

Wonder if it was from this guy's posts or the other guy's that Budge got the idea that perhaps maybe there's a rule (though she's not sure because she hasn't looked at them) that might let Doncaster force through reconstruction. Or maybe one of them is actually Budge herself. 🤭

You'd have thought a top business person would have checked it out to know for certain before blurting it out in a interview and getting the fans' hopes up. Maybe she was just having a Trump ingesting disinfectant cures Covid-19 moment. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the people giving her advice. If I was a Jambo I'd be concerned if the same person that fed her that titbit is also someone she'll be relying on in a coutroom.

Doncaster might strongly recommend reconstruction, say the alternative could well be legal action and reiterate the potential consequences of that, but after looking at the rules I'm confident he can't force it through. Loads of journalists will have heard the interview and you'd expect some of them at least to try and find out if it was true. It would be a huge story if Doncaster could do that yet none have published an article saying he can.

I might be proved wrong however, if it is announced the clubs couldn't agree on reconstruction then it's a good bet Doncaster forcing through reconstruction (if he does in fact have that power) would be announced either at the same time or very soon afterwards.

SJ, whilst I think he could be the ultimate undercover Hibby, appears to have a friendship with Edinburgh's finest Conveyancer which may well be where his ITK info comes from and the Duncans are lapping it up.

Some over there are now almost 99% CERTAIN they will be in the Premier next season and a lot of it is based on the great SJ's posts which keep them warm at night, bless.....................

[007]

SJ, whilst I think he could be the ultimate undercover Hibby, appears to have a friendship with Edinburgh's finest Conveyancer which may well be where his ITK info comes from and the Duncans are lapping it up.

Some over there are now almost 99% CERTAIN they will be in the Premier next season and a lot of it is based on the great SJ's posts which keep them warm at night, bless.....................

Interesting. Several weeks back now LD was getting a bit het up on Sportsound saying they could take the clubs that voted against reconstruction to court because they weren't showing Hearts a duty of care. Funnily that suggestion was dropped and was replaced with the restriction of trade angle. Wonder what happened to the duty of care angle, perhaps realised it didn't have a chance. Taking legal action because you don't like the way someone voted in a democratic process 😂.

[Since452]

Hope no undercover Jambos are reading this.........actually who am I kidding, English FA vote for promotion and relegation. The maroon trumpets won`t be able to whine that Scotland has the only leagues in Europe willing to relegate teams before the season is out.

Get down, ya wallopers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52705124

HMFC. The wee bloodied floating turd.

[Kojock]

Interesting. Several weeks back now LD was getting a bit het up on Sportsound saying they could take the clubs that voted against reconstruction to court because they weren't showing Hearts a duty of care. Funnily that suggestion was dropped and was replaced with the restriction of trade angle. Wonder what happened to the duty of care angle, perhaps realised it didn't have a chance. Taking legal action because you don't like the way someone voted in a democratic process 😂.

You might want to clarify that LD is not Leeann Dempster and is in fact Leslie Deans a two bit lawyer who specialises in conveyancey.

[EI255]

HMFC. The wee bloodied floating turd.Hahahaha excellent!

Its been pink and bloodied since its Dance Hall inception in 1874.

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[seanshow]

You might want to clarify that LD is not Leeann Dempster and is in fact Leslie Deans a two bit lawyer who specialises in conveyancey.


Has Dalkeith really become the wild west... or are you channeling the parlance of your avatar there. :greengrin

[Jim44]

You might want to clarify that LD is not Leeann Dempster and is in fact Leslie Deans a two bit lawyer who specialises in conveyancey.

....... would you buy a used house from him? :greengrin

[lord bunberry]

Surprised they've not mentioned "The Hague" yet.
I believe hearts are pushing for the case to be heard in Nuremberg.

[tamig]

AaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaagh
Likewise.Lower league towns such as Alloa, Arbroath and Greenock should look forward to an unusual economic boost when massive football clubs with 400,000 fans descend on their towns.

Only if the clubs in those towns are excluded from the famous maroon pound embargo.

[Kojock]

....... would you buy a used house from him? :greengrin

Not even during a game of Monopoly, especially if he was the banker. He’s got the only Monopoly board with a laundrette as a square 😂

[HFC93]

What is Saughton Jambo inside for? Furthermore, did he formerly reside in Airdrie?

[Clarence]

Come August, the Hibs are having a party. The hearts are in the shed.

[jacomo]

Levein gets Dundee gig before Xmas, unbeleivably wins league and keeps Hertz down for another year = deliciously pleasing.


That scenario would mean Levein winning a trophy. I’m just not buying it.

However, a scenario where Hearts travel to Dens park needing a draw to win the league, but get beat 2-0? Pleasing.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Hope no undercover Jambos are reading this.........actually who am I kidding, English FA vote for promotion and relegation. The maroon trumpets won`t be able to whine that Scotland has the only leagues in Europe willing to relegate teams before the season is out.

Get down, ya wallopers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52705124


No similarity to what Scotland is doing apparently (according to the experts on Kickback)

[CropleyWasGod]

That scenario would mean Levein winning a trophy. I’m just not buying it.

However, a scenario where Hearts travel to Dens park needing a draw to win the league, but get beat 2-0? Pleasing.

...consigning them to a play-off against St.Liedown?

[FilipinoHibs]

What is Saughton Jambo inside for? Furthermore, did he formerly reside in Airdrie?

Defo undercover. Has 62 of 1-3 celebration shirts left.

[Col2]

Confirmed on other board Saughton Jambo background 😉 (well played)

[FilipinoHibs]

French court decision is to uphold decision to call league but suspended relegation of bottom 2 teams, asking French Football League to look at the structure of top two divisions. According to BBC World interview with French sports reporter, the league says the two top divisions will not be altered because TV deal and 22 teams being unwieldy for top league.

[007]

Confirmed on other board Saughton Jambo background 😉 (well played)

What other board?

[Marco G]

Difference is that French and Belgian league bodies decided without clubs input, and in Holland clubs couldn't decide so they called it voided. Here the club's have decided themselves what the outcome should be. Big difference.

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[jacomo]

Difference is that French and Belgian league bodies decided without clubs input, and in Holland clubs couldn't decide so they called it voided. Here the club's have decided themselves what the outcome should be. Big difference.

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Hearts will be suing themselves

[Ronniekirk]

Don’t think we can release them until UEFA set out their timetable

Yep read something that confirmed this a few days ago and a date was given fir when they are meeting but can’t remember when that was


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[Radium]

Defo undercover. Has 62 of 1-3 celebration shirts left.

... remember that they have announced a derby crowd at Tynecastle as 17062 [emoji16]


03 Jan 2013

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[CropleyWasGod]

Hearts will be suing themselves

They wouldn't. As a shareholder in the company, they would be suing the company.

Whether they have a right to, or a case, is a separate question of course.

[660]

I wonder how the hearts fans will occupy themselves when elite clubs are playing football but minnows like alloa, arbroath and hearts are doing hee haw.

[bingo70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-reconstruction-plan-b-hearts-22165113

Daily record suggesting the clubs are keen to let Hearts wriggle out of it.

Really wish the club would come out and tell us what our contribution to the debate is.

[duffers]

What other board?

I’m not sure what Message this is in relation too, maybe something on the bounce? But a quick google will send you in the right direction....

[Peevemor]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-reconstruction-plan-b-hearts-22165113

Daily record suggesting the clubs are keen to let Hearts wriggle out of it.

Really wish the club would come out and tell us what our contribution to the debate is.Hopefully not enough.

[jacomo]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-reconstruction-plan-b-hearts-22165113

Daily record suggesting the clubs are keen to let Hearts wriggle out of it.

Really wish the club would come out and tell us what our contribution to the debate is.


I think that’s just Budge again, desperately trying to put a positive spin on it.

[Since452]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-reconstruction-plan-b-hearts-22165113

Daily record suggesting the clubs are keen to let Hearts wriggle out of it.

Really wish the club would come out and tell us what our contribution to the debate is.

Every single Ranges player was punched and spat at...

[007]

I’m not sure what Message this is in relation too, maybe something on the bounce? But a quick google will send you in the right direction....

OK, cheers. Will give it a go.

[Mon Dieu4]

Keith Jackson and the "one club source" means he's doing the Huns bidding yet again, dunno why he doesn't just do a Traynor and **** off to work for them

Also says that it's a meeting of the board to discuss the outcome of clubs emails, that means that unless a fair few clubs have told them to bolt that they are about to announce a few other options to clubs and there still hasn't been any voting

Don't think this is going to be over any time soon

[Stuart93]

More positive talks could mean one or two teams might’ve came round to the idea. Let’s hope it still gets knocked out the park. Hoping all these “in the know” jambos don’t turn out to be right

[hibbyfraelibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-reconstruction-plan-b-hearts-22165113

Daily record suggesting the clubs are keen to let Hearts wriggle out of it.

Really wish the club would come out and tell us what our contribution to the debate is.

The usual 'one club source said' line indicates the one club is Budgie...again

[northgreen24]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5684797/rangers-colt-reconstruction-plan-kicked-out/

Different slant in the sun so guess we will find out tomorrow finally



“ RANGERS’ colt teams league reconstruction plan looks set to be kicked out on Wednesday.

Gers want clubs to vote for a new 14-14-18 set-up which would see Old Firm kids teams play in the bottom tier.

SPFL will hold board meeting to discuss Rangers' paper
1
SPFL will hold board meeting to discuss Rangers' paperCredit: Kenny Ramsay - The Sun Glasgow
But it’s understood the proposal will fail to get the backing it needs.

Ibrox chiefs believe the idea would give their best young players invaluable experience of professional football.

But there’s a concern among some other top-flight clubs that their academies would be at a disadvantage.

Gers’ bid is backed by Celtic and would be worth £1.2million to lower league outfits over four years.

FAN FAIR How every Prem club is dealing with virtual tickets as fans decide whether to buy

It would also clear the way for Kelty Hearts and Brora Rangers to enter the league.

The SPFL will hold a board meeting on Wednesday to discuss Gers’ paper and also the earlier reconstruction attempt made by Hearts.

But a lack of support on both could see league chiefs move to draw a line under the season — virtually condemning Hearts to the Championship.

[007]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-reconstruction-plan-b-hearts-22165113

Daily record suggesting the clubs are keen to let Hearts wriggle out of it.

Really wish the club would come out and tell us what our contribution to the debate is.

Wonder if it was either the Rangers/Celtic money or the JA money or both that's helping encourage some clubs to change their minds. Incidentally, it seems to have gone quiet about the JA money which supposedly could have been paid to the SPFL last week. What's the hold up?

Sun article just out isn't quite so positive towards reconstruction.

[04Sauzee]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5684797/rangers-colt-reconstruction-plan-kicked-out/

Different slant in the sun so guess we will find out tomorrow finally



“ RANGERS’ colt teams league reconstruction plan looks set to be kicked out on Wednesday.

Gers want clubs to vote for a new 14-14-18 set-up which would see Old Firm kids teams play in the bottom tier.

SPFL will hold board meeting to discuss Rangers' paper
1
SPFL will hold board meeting to discuss Rangers' paperCredit: Kenny Ramsay - The Sun Glasgow
But it’s understood the proposal will fail to get the backing it needs.

Ibrox chiefs believe the idea would give their best young players invaluable experience of professional football.

But there’s a concern among some other top-flight clubs that their academies would be at a disadvantage.

Gers’ bid is backed by Celtic and would be worth £1.2million to lower league outfits over four years.

FAN FAIR How every Prem club is dealing with virtual tickets as fans decide whether to buy

It would also clear the way for Kelty Hearts and Brora Rangers to enter the league.

The SPFL will hold a board meeting on Wednesday to discuss Gers’ paper and also the earlier reconstruction attempt made by Hearts.

But a lack of support on both could see league chiefs move to draw a line under the season — virtually condemning Hearts to the Championship.

C'mon the sun 😅

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-reconstruction-plan-b-hearts-22165113

Daily record suggesting the clubs are keen to let Hearts wriggle out of it.

Really wish the club would come out and tell us what our contribution to the debate is.

If the question is woolly enough - would you consider some kind of reconstruction? then you’ll get a bunch of positive noises. As soon as it’s a concrete proposal, half the clubs will tell you why they don’t like it.

[Andy74]

I think that’s just Budge again, desperately trying to put a positive spin on it.

Yep, that language is straight from Hearts.

[hibeerealist]

Interesting. Several weeks back now LD was getting a bit het up on Sportsound saying they could take the clubs that voted against reconstruction to court because they weren't showing Hearts a duty of care. Funnily that suggestion was dropped and was replaced with the restriction of trade angle. Wonder what happened to the duty of care angle, perhaps realised it didn't have a chance. Taking legal action because you don't like the way someone voted in a democratic process 😂.

Thats our man 007.

[Col2]

Benefactor money not quite over the line. Funny that. No strings we were told. It’s not done yet just when we are at the 11th hour. Feels like something stinks.

[FilipinoHibs]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5684797/rangers-colt-reconstruction-plan-kicked-out/

Different slant in the sun so guess we will find out tomorrow finally



“ RANGERS’ colt teams league reconstruction plan looks set to be kicked out on Wednesday.

Gers want clubs to vote for a new 14-14-18 set-up which would see Old Firm kids teams play in the bottom tier.

SPFL will hold board meeting to discuss Rangers' paper
1
SPFL will hold board meeting to discuss Rangers' paperCredit: Kenny Ramsay - The Sun Glasgow
But it’s understood the proposal will fail to get the backing it needs.

Ibrox chiefs believe the idea would give their best young players invaluable experience of professional football.

But there’s a concern among some other top-flight clubs that their academies would be at a disadvantage.

Gers’ bid is backed by Celtic and would be worth £1.2million to lower league outfits over four years.

FAN FAIR How every Prem club is dealing with virtual tickets as fans decide whether to buy

It would also clear the way for Kelty Hearts and Brora Rangers to enter the league.

The SPFL will hold a board meeting on Wednesday to discuss Gers’ paper and also the earlier reconstruction attempt made by Hearts.

But a lack of support on both could see league chiefs move to draw a line under the season — virtually condemning Hearts to the Championship.

Consistent with tmThe Times story. Author Michael Grant seems to have been fed some information to soften blow of announcement.

[Broken Gnome]

Daily Mail's taking the Record's view of better than expected feedback for 14 teams, and Hearts being given every chance of securing enough support or calling and EGM.

[Waxy]

It’s June 10th. Boot this out today please. Scottish football looks bad enough already.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

So...
Hopefully this morning/today will finally draw a conclusion to this pathetic saga

[Peevemor]

So...
Hopefully this morning/today will finally draw a conclusion to this pathetic saga

Fingers crossed!

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Is Kenny miller still with us? He's bound to have a good gauge of the mood with the other clubs through journalists would he not?

[berwickhibee]

Benefactor money not quite over the line. Funny that. No strings we were told. It’s not done yet just when we are at the 11th hour. Feels like something stinks.

Spot on.

No strings money from a man with plenty to throw about,

After all he hasn't been shy from throwing millions at hearts.
Now surprisingly the help for the league now appears
To have major strings attached. Shameless wee club.

Bribery in action right before our eyes.

Let's wait and see I suppose but the league money
Should have been sorted days ago.

[Waxy]

End it today. If Benny Anderson does a u turn on the cash help then that’ll be bribery.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Astonishing if votes and influences can be bought in this day and age.

This would confirm our game is corrupt.

[Onion]

Wonder if it was either the Rangers/Celtic money or the JA money or both that's helping encourage some clubs to change their minds. Incidentally, it seems to have gone quiet about the JA money which supposedly could have been paid to the SPFL last week. What's the hold up?

Sun article just out isn't quite so positive towards reconstruction.

There's a stench hanging over Hampden today. Far too many folk now plowing in with their bribe money to try take advantage of the Covid situation. How typically Scottish.

As for the positive moves towards reconstruction... a few sympathetic words in an email costs nothing. That's not the same as an actual VOTE when they're being asked to accept less money and a worse league. These emails will be no more than a wee pat on the head for Budge's Hearts as they're expelled for the 57th time.

[Onion]

Spot on.

No strings money from a man with plenty to throw about,

After all he hasn't been shy from throwing millions at hearts.
Now surprisingly the help for the league now appears
To have major strings attached. Shameless wee club.

Bribery in action right before our eyes.

Let's wait and see I suppose but the league money
Should have been sorted days ago.

On a serious note, if this offer was presented as a gift but subsequently carried terms which were intended to subvert the rules, processes and integrity of football, Anderson could be in legal jeopardy. Go to Jail of Pay £2M :greengrin

[Tynie01011973]

There's a stench hanging over Hampden today. Far too many folk now plowing in with their bribe money to try take advantage of the Covid situation. How typically Scottish.

As for the positive moves towards reconstruction... a few sympathetic words in an email costs nothing. That's not the same as an actual VOTE when they're being asked to accept less money and a worse league. These emails will be no more than a wee pat on the head for Budge's Hearts as they're expelled for the 57th time.

Expelled sounds much better than a normal relegation

Just PUT THEM DOON 🍻

[green day]

Daily Mail's taking the Record's view of better than expected feedback for 14 teams, and Hearts being given every chance of securing enough support or calling and EGM.


I guess it depends on what they expected :dunno:

Surely to goodness this gets resolved today? If we go to another vote then we need to wait another 2 weeks or so - shambolic.

And, as others have mentioned, if Andersons cash is being held back at this point then that is very very wrong.

[Jim44]

I guess it depends on what they expected :dunno:

Surely to goodness this gets resolved today? If we go to another vote then we need to wait another 2 weeks or so - shambolic.

And, as others have mentioned, if Andersons cash is being held back at this point then that is very very wrong.

This is a war of attrition - it will drag on and on till they are saved. Clubs are being wearied and bored into into saying ‘stuff it, ok we’ll go along with their solution, anything to get on with the important business of getting football back on track again’.

[Onion]

This is a war of attrition - it will drag on and on till they are saved. Clubs are being wearied and bored into into saying ‘stuff it, ok we’ll go along with their solution, anything to get on with the important business of getting football back on track again’.

Football's equivalent of 12 Angry Men.

https://youtu.be/EqDd06GW76o

[HibbySpurs]

This is a war of attrition - it will drag on and on till they are saved. Clubs are being wearied and bored into into saying ‘stuff it, ok we’ll go along with their solution, anything to get on with the important business of getting football back on track again’.

I think you could be very close To the mark here sadly.

Hearts have worn Scottish football down with their continual squealing and may well get their way in the end like the spoiled child they are.

It will also show up the horrific leadership of the SPFL who should have closed this down weeks ago and told them to accept it, instead they’ve been shown to be utterly spineless and haven brought upon the league genuine suspicion of an act of potential bribery.

[Col2]

Have to say I am getting bored of all this. I am looking forward to the season kicking off.

As said before IF Hibs vote for this the fallout will be extraordinary. LD will be moving on within 12 months as people won’t forget. All income will dry up and we will wake up one morning and realize doing the charitable thing for a bunch of lying cheats will be the worst decision we made in years.

[FilipinoHibs]

Scottish Sun saying Rangers and Hearts proposals both have insufficient support and will be officially thrown at this mornings SPFL board meeting.

[Hibs4185]

I resd about the English leagues being finished early and Barry fry the football director from Peterborough was raging. They had won 22 points out of 27, were the form team, and looked odds on to get promoted. Whilst he was raging, the owner came out and said that it was the fairest way to decide the leagues in the circumstances, and they’ll be even more determined to get promoted next year.

The whole interview with the owner of Peterborough was a lesson in how to deal with bad news graciously.

Only wish the owners in Scotland had the same grace.

[StevieC]

Scottish Sun saying Rangers and Hearts proposals both have insufficient support and will be officially thrown at this mornings SPFL board meeting.

My understanding (based on what’s been said by the papers) is that Hearts don’t have a proposal, theirs was already thrown out, and the consensus is that they are “throwing their weight” behind the Rangers proposal?

So it’s the Rangers proposal (involving colt teams) or nothing?

[Peevemor]

I think you could be very close To the mark here sadly.

Hearts have worn Scottish football down with their continual squealing and may well get their way in the end like the spoiled child they are.

They may have worn down the fans (with the help of the press), but I suspect most club owners/bosses know what they do or don't want and are ignoring the hysteria.


It will also show up the horrific leadership of the SPFL who should have closed this down weeks ago and told them to accept it, instead they’ve been shown to be utterly spineless and haven brought upon the league genuine suspicion of an act of potential bribery.

The leadership (SPFL board?) have had to deal with the Covid-19 pandemic. There's no precedent for this. I actually think they've done very well - they can't be held responsible the histrionics of 2 or 3 clubs and the media coverage they've been given.

[HibbySpurs]

They may have worn down the fans (with the help of the press), but I suspect most club owners/bosses know what they do or don't want and are ignoring the hysteria.



The leadership (SPFL board?) have had to deal with the Covid-19 pandemic. There's no precedent for this. I actually think they've done very well - they can't be held responsible the histrionics of 2 or 3 clubs and the media coverage they've been given.

I hope you’re right on the first point.

I accept what you’re saying in point 2 but still feel real leadership would have been to close the whole reconstruction issue down for the coming season with a genuine serious discussion to be had for doing something the following year, instead this has been allowed to drag on and hang over all the clubs heads rather than allowing them to get on, deal with the pandemic and attempt to prepare for the coming season whenever that may be.

[JimBHibees]

They may have worn down the fans (with the help of the press), but I suspect most club owners/bosses know what they do or don't want and are ignoring the hysteria.



The leadership (SPFL board?) have had to deal with the Covid-19 pandemic. There's no precedent for this. I actually think they've done very well - they can't be held responsible the histrionics of 2 or 3 clubs and the media coverage they've been given.

Agree with both. Think Doncaster and others have done very well in the face of both media and club hysteria.

[green day]

I hope you’re right on the first point.

I accept what you’re saying in point 2 but still feel real leadership would have been to close the whole reconstruction issue down for the coming season with a genuine serious discussion to be had for doing something the following year, instead this has been allowed to drag on and hang over all the clubs heads rather than allowing them to get on, deal with the pandemic and attempt to prepare for the coming season whenever that may be.

I know what you mean, but - as has been said many times - the SPFL is the clubs.

Doncaster is an employee, and is part of a board made up of club reps.

Any club is entitled to make representations and suggest plans (this was the case pre CV19) for reconstruction whenever they want.

Actually what Hearts are doing makes sense, as they are obviously trying to save themselves. Rangers proposals are nakedly attempting to play on the poverty of lower league clubs.

I do agree that we need to "move on" from this, I am utterly bored of it - but it is entirely right that the SPFL allows the suggestions and that they are discussed by member clubs and either agreed or thrown out.

[FilipinoHibs]

My understanding (based on what’s been said by the papers) is that Hearts don’t have a proposal, theirs was already thrown out, and the consensus is that they are “throwing their weight” behind the Rangers proposal?

So it’s the Rangers proposal (involving colt teams) or nothing?

Two papers both saying the two proposals although Budge has said she has dropped hers and backing the huns. But there will still be feedback on both but set out virtually the same solution.

[ano hibby]

Benefactor money not quite over the line. Funny that. No strings we were told. It’s not done yet just when we are at the 11th hour. Feels like something stinks.

Where is this being reported/confirmed?

[Billy Whizz]

Where is this being reported/confirmed?

Nowhere, but thought it would have been paid by now

[Jones28]

That scenario would mean Levein winning a trophy. I’m just not buying it.

However, a scenario where Hearts travel to Dens park needing a draw to win the league, but get beat 2-0? Pleasing.

Not if they beat hearts in the playoffs 👍🏻

[jacomo]

They may have worn down the fans (with the help of the press), but I suspect most club owners/bosses know what they do or don't want and are ignoring the hysteria.



The leadership (SPFL board?) have had to deal with the Covid-19 pandemic. There's no precedent for this. I actually think they've done very well - they can't be held responsible the histrionics of 2 or 3 clubs and the media coverage they've been given.


Yup. The only things that matter are:

1. When can football start again?
2. Does any reconstruction proposal offer tangible benefits to the game and participating clubs?

The Rangers are offering sweetie money to lower league clubs to get their colt team plan through, but at the cost of wrecking the top division. Budge has surely burned any goodwill she had and the top clubs will just want shot of her.

I still can’t see it happening.

[Since452]

Why do Rangers have to get involved in absolutely everything?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Astonishing if votes and influences can be bought in this day and age.

This would confirm our game is corrupt.

Would have thought it would it’s more likely

[Lee Marvin]

The Rangers proposal has absolutely no chance of going through this week. Not only does it not benefit one single Premiership team outside of the uglies, it significantly weakens their overall position by further widening the competitive advantage of the duopoly.

Budges plan is dead.

However, I believe 14-10-10-10 has/had a very slight chance on the grounds of 'fairness' and to stop potential court action. Keith Jackson (the biggest Rangers shill out there) has stated this morning it has a chance, yet The Sun, The Times (most reputable source) and Barry 'F'in' Anderson have said it's as good as dead.

I think we are OK, Hibees :flag:

[green day]

The Rangers proposal has absolutely no chance of going through this week. Not only does it not benefit one single Premiership team outside of the uglies, it significantly weakens their overall position by further widening the competitive advantage of the duopoly.

Budges plan is dead.

However, I believe 14-10-10-10 has/had a very slight chance on the grounds of 'fairness' and to stop potential court action. Keith Jackson (the biggest Rangers shill out there) has stated this morning it has a chance, yet The Sun, The Times (most reputable source) and Barry 'F'in' Anderson have said it's as good as dead.



It involves parachuting Brora and Kelty into the lowest division, screws up L1 clubs who had budgeted for the likes of Partick being in their division - it also adds clubs to the Premiership and therefore dilutes the money on offer for all.

Also, it would be an admission that all you need to do is threaten court action to get your own way.

I struggle to see that one flying, but who can tell?

[Joe6-2]

It involves parachuting Brora and Kelty into the lowest division, screws up L1 clubs who had budgeted for the likes of Partick being in their division - it also adds clubs to the Premiership and therefore dilutes the money on offer for all.

Also, it would be an admission that all you need to do is threaten court action to get your own way.

I struggle to see that one flying, but who can tell?

I don’t get why the SPFL would worry about legal action when the rules were clearly followed when the decision to end the league was taken, and agreed by the clubs!!

[Waxy]

The Rangers proposal has absolutely no chance of going through this week. Not only does it not benefit one single Premiership team outside of the uglies, it significantly weakens their overall position by further widening the competitive advantage of the duopoly.

Budges plan is dead.

However, I believe 14-10-10-10 has/had a very slight chance on the grounds of 'fairness' and to stop potential court action. Keith Jackson (the biggest Rangers shill out there) has stated this morning it has a chance, yet The Sun, The Times (most reputable source) and Barry 'F'in' Anderson have said it's as good as dead.

I think we are OK, Hibees :flag:Fairness what a laugh.Whats fair about clubs getting away with being the worst team in a division for a season and putting the cost on other clubs?

[Tambo]

A few news outlets are all reporting that rangers proposal will be rejected so let's hope this can get put to bed tonight please.

[GreenCastle]

The Rangers proposal has absolutely no chance of going through this week. Not only does it not benefit one single Premiership team outside of the uglies, it significantly weakens their overall position by further widening the competitive advantage of the duopoly.

Budges plan is dead.

However, I believe 14-10-10-10 has/had a very slight chance on the grounds of 'fairness' and to stop potential court action. Keith Jackson (the biggest Rangers shill out there) has stated this morning it has a chance, yet The Sun, The Times (most reputable source) and Barry 'F'in' Anderson have said it's as good as dead.

I think we are OK, Hibees :flag:

Yup this is where I am.

Budge plan..well a 15 year old could come up with a better plan.

Old Firm proposal - all about them and majority clubs are aware of that - except desperate Hearts. Would also make a bigger mockery of the pyramid.

Anything else - would be a massive risk and a backlash from the MAJORITY of fans around Scotland. Doubt that will be risked.

Bring on the legal case or no case !!

Hope the cameras are filming Budges reaction..

[lucky]

I’m doubtful that any reconstruction plans will pass. The rangers one offers some cash but it also makes promotions more difficult for lower leagues teams, so it’s not going to pass. The only way Hearts might be saved is through the courts, even then I’m not sure but the French and Belgium lowers courts have had their but the decision was that the leagues were to look at alternatives to relegation. In Scotland we have explored the alternatives. But Scots law is different as are the rules of each league.

So reconstruction talks will end today but this saga will still rumble on

[04Sauzee]

BREAKING: SPFL Trust has reached an agreement with James Anderson to make a donation of over £3m to help clubs and support their communities.

Every club will be eligible to receive a £50,000 grant for support during the #COVID19 crisis, provided they evidence community benefit.

[Waxy]

BREAKING: SPFL Trust has reached an agreement with James Anderson to make a donation of over £3m to help clubs and support their communities.

Every club will be eligible to receive a £50,000 grant for support during the #COVID19 crisis, provided they evidence community benefit.

With no strings attached.

[Peevemor]

BREAKING: SPFL Trust has reached an agreement with James Anderson to make a donation of over £3m to help clubs and support their communities.

Every club will be eligible to receive a £50,000 grant for support during the #COVID19 crisis, provided they evidence community benefit.

42 x £50k = £2.1m

I wonder where the other million is going?

[tamig]

I’m doubtful that any reconstruction plans will pass. The rangers one offers some cash but it also makes promotions more difficult for lower leagues teams, so it’s not going to pass. The only way Hearts might be saved is through the courts, even then I’m not sure but the French and Belgium lowers courts have had their but the decision was that the leagues were to look at alternatives to relegation. In Scotland we have explored the alternatives. But Scots law is different as are the rules of each league.

So reconstruction talks will end today but this saga will still rumble on
Key difference here being it was the clubs themselves who held a democratic vote to end the season. Nothing imposed by the governing bodies.

[04Sauzee]

With no strings attached.

Announced the day of the big zoom call 🙄

[green day]

https://spfltrust.org.uk/spfl-trust-announces-multimillion-pound-donation/

[04Sauzee]

42 x £50k = £2.1m

I wonder where the other million is going?

SPFL TRUST

James Anderson will donate over £3 million to the @SPFLTrust to help support clubs and their communities during the COVID19 crisis.

Each SPFL club will be eligible to receive a £50,000 grant.

The donation will also back the 'Scottish Football United' programme.

[Waxy]

Announced the day of the big zoom call 🙄

His timing is hugely pongy.
From the timing of his unmasking and offer of the non bribe which looked like a bribe, to this today.
What a stench that is.

[FilipinoHibs]

Stay calm
the big maroon jobby is
going down

[Mikey]

Surely they wouldn't announce that on the same day that Hearts get parachuted back into the top league.

[jacomo]

SPFL TRUST

James Anderson will donate over £3 million to the @SPFLTrust to help support clubs and their communities during the COVID19 crisis.

Each SPFL club will be eligible to receive a £50,000 grant.

The donation will also back the 'Scottish Football United' programme.


Well done James Anderson.

Hearts-minded but genuinely doing something to benefit Scottish football, unlike other eejits associated with that particular club.

[Waxy]

Surely they wouldn't announce that on the same day that Hearts get parachuted back into the top league.

There’s no way they can be other than corruption.
The clubs have to vote on such matters.

[Heisenberg]

Surely they wouldn't announce that on the same day that Hearts get parachuted back into the top league.

Exactly what I thought when I saw it announced. Doncaster surely can’t now come out and use this “emergency clause” or whatever it is the Jambos are clinging onto.

[Since452]

Well done James Anderson.

Hearts-minded but genuinely doing something to benefit Scottish football, unlike other eejits associated with that particular club.

The cynical pessimist in me still thinks there are strings attached. I can't fully applaud him until Hearts stay down. I'll be first to hold hands up once/if reconstruction is pulled.

[04Sauzee]

Money available now so leagues can start? Hearts have a league to play in

[KingPat4]

I’m doubtful that any reconstruction plans will pass. The rangers one offers some cash but it also makes promotions more difficult for lower leagues teams, so it’s not going to pass. The only way Hearts might be saved is through the courts, even then I’m not sure but the French and Belgium lowers courts have had their but the decision was that the leagues were to look at alternatives to relegation. In Scotland we have explored the alternatives. But Scots law is different as are the rules of each league.

So reconstruction talks will end today but this saga will still rumble on

FIFA rules clearly state that no club can go to an ordinary court to settle a dispute, ultimately a club can face sanctions, including expulsion from their league.

Do sports journalists not do research anymore?

[Numptie]

So the money can't be used for the testing of players?

[Man Down Under]

So the money can't be used for the testing of players?I wonder if thats what the other million is for

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[CropleyWasGod]

FIFA rules clearly state that no club can go to an ordinary court to settle a dispute, ultimately a club can face sanctions, including expulsion from their league.

Do sports journalists not do research anymore?

The SPFL is not the governing body, which the FIFA rules cover. It's a private company, in which Hearts are a shareholder.

[GreenCastle]

I read it as it’s for community projects like Hibs community foundation.
Not for wages etc.

[hibbyfraelibby]

So the money can't be used for the testing of players?

It can if the testing machine is also made available for community use too. Expect us to plough the money into the community trust health initiatives.

[Carheenlea]

Surely they wouldn't announce that on the same day that Hearts get parachuted back into the top league.


Money available now so leagues can start? Hearts have a league to play in

The SPFL aren’t foolish enough to attract finger pointing and suspicion by making the error of announcing reconstruction at the same time as James Anderson’s donation.

This looks like the clubs have indicated no appetite for change and the announcement of the windfall will enable clubs to plan for new season with fixtures and lower league scheduling forthcoming soon. With top flight teams resuming training from tomorrow things are starting to fall into place for some sort of return to domestic football.

If reconstruction was a goer it would have leaked before now.

[Sergio sledge]

https://spfltrust.org.uk/spfl-trust-announces-multimillion-pound-donation/

Fantastic gesture from him. Should be a real benefit for the community aspects of all the clubs.

[Lee Marvin]

The SPFL aren’t foolish enough to attract finger pointing and suspicion by making the error of announcing reconstruction at the same time as James Anderson’s donation.

This looks like the clubs have indicated no appetite for change and the announcement of the windfall will enable clubs to plan for new season with fixtures and lower league scheduling forthcoming soon. With top flight teams resuming training from tomorrow things are starting to fall into place for some sort of return to domestic football.

If reconstruction was a goer it would have leaked before now.

Exactly this. Hearts are doon.

Great gesture from Anderson.

[Sammy7nil]

18 minutes ago, Locky said:
First Mercer, now Anderson.



Will these *****rags from Lochend ever be in a position to not need good Hearts men to bail them out the ****?


Absolutely dumbfounded Mercer bailed us out :rolleyes: Anderson has bankrolled us for a full £50,000 which may cover less than a weeks costs. :rolleyes:

And this is all down to the Budgie? What has she done other than say she knows Anderson? :confused:

[Andy74]

The cynical pessimist in me still thinks there are strings attached. I can't fully applaud him until Hearts stay down. I'll be first to hold hands up once/if reconstruction is pulled.

I don't think the 'strings' here are by way of conditions - but I do think it is a way to ensure that his Hearts team have a structure to play in.

I would have though that there should be some diligence done around how material a provider of finance he is to one club already and how this is linked.

It does also of course help them to support the view that Hearts are helping Scottish football...

[jacomo]

18 minutes ago, Locky said:
First Mercer, now Anderson.



Will these *****rags from Lochend ever be in a position to not need good Hearts men to bail them out the ****?


Absolutely dumbfounded Mercer bailed us out :rolleyes: Anderson has bankrolled us for a full £50,000 which may cover less than a weeks costs. :rolleyes:

And this is all down to the Budgie? What has she done other than say she knows Anderson? :confused:


:faf:

They are hurting aren’t they?

[FilipinoHibs]

Exactly what I thought when I saw it announced. Doncaster surely can’t now come out and use this “emergency clause” or whatever it is the Jambos are clinging onto.Remember the emergency clause and the maroon pound are the creations of undercover Hibs agents on Sickbag.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The SPFL is not the governing body, which the FIFA rules cover. It's a private company, in which Hearts are a shareholder.

As I posted earlier its not just the Natiobal Governing Body that is covered.

"SFA Article 99 on Arbitration comes into play, as does Article 36 on Club Licensing.

Its part of Hearts licence that they must submit any dispute to binding arbitration. It does not have to be a dispute with the SFA directly as some of the legal eagles on Keekboak seem to think.

The SFA can call in any dispute at any time and indeed is obligated by its own articles and membership of UEFA and FIFA imposes.

Taking the SPFL to a civil court is in breach of their club license and grounds for suspension by not following the requirements obligated under Article 99.

Its not just Article 5.1.(c) they need to consider and worry about."

By breaching their license obligations Hearts would be in dispute with the SFA and could have their license suspended or withdrawn completely.

Bear in mind it was a decision of the SFA as the governing body to suspend the season based on government advice to June 11 that kicked this off in the first place.

[CropleyWasGod]

The donation includes Gift Aid. That means he personally has given about £2.75m. That ties in with the previous figure that was being talked about.

The donation is for "community benefit". It remains to be seen how that is defined.

It is also without preconditions on the structure and governance of the SPFL. That leaves an open question about the League itself.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

18 minutes ago, Locky said:
First Mercer, now Anderson.



Will these *****rags from Lochend ever be in a position to not need good Hearts men to bail them out the ****?


Absolutely dumbfounded Mercer bailed us out :rolleyes: Anderson has bankrolled us for a full £50,000 which may cover less than a weeks costs. :rolleyes:

And this is all down to the Budgie? What has she done other than say she knows Anderson? :confused:

LOL

Christ, they are funny ones

[KingPat4]

The SPFL is not the governing body, which the FIFA rules cover. It's a private company, in which Hearts are a shareholder.

Do the SFA have no say in this then?

[hibbyfraelibby]

18 minutes ago, Locky said:
First Mercer, now Anderson.



Will these *****rags from Lochend ever be in a position to not need good Hearts men to bail them out the ****?


Absolutely dumbfounded Mercer bailed us out :rolleyes: Anderson has bankrolled us for a full £50,000 which may cover less than a weeks costs. :rolleyes:

And this is all down to the Budgie? What has she done other than say she knows Anderson? :confused:

Thats the kind of logic that says they bailed out the Lady Haig Poppy Fund...thank god for Tom Farmer

[Hibs90]

Surely they wouldn't announce that on the same day that Hearts get parachuted back into the top league.

I reckon another vote on an independent inquiry into this donation would be required and quite frankly expose this for the bribery and corruption it is.

[KingPat4]

As I posted earlier its not just the Natiobal Governing Body that is covered.

"SFA Article 99 on Arbitration comes into play, as does Article 36 on Club Licensing.

Its part of Hearts licence that they must submit any dispute to binding arbitration. It does not have to be a dispute with the SFA directly as some of the legal eagles on Keekboak seem to think.

The SFA can call in any dispute at any time and indeed is obligated by its own articles and membership of UEFA and FIFA imposes.

Taking the SPFL to a civil court is in breach of their club license and grounds for suspension by not following the requirements obligated under Article 99.

Its not just Article 5.1.(c) they need to consider and worry about."

By breaching their license obligations Hearts would be in dispute with the SFA and could have their license suspended or withdrawn completely.

Bear in mind it was a decision of the SFA as the governing body to suspend the season based on government advice to June 11 that kicked this off in the first place.

Thank you. I wish I had said that.....,

[Since452]

18 minutes ago, Locky said:
First Mercer, now Anderson.



Will these *****rags from Lochend ever be in a position to not need good Hearts men to bail them out the ****?


Absolutely dumbfounded Mercer bailed us out :rolleyes: Anderson has bankrolled us for a full £50,000 which may cover less than a weeks costs. :rolleyes:

And this is all down to the Budgie? What has she done other than say she knows Anderson? :confused:

I've heard a few of those imbeciles say Mercer saved us. If saving us means that his actions sparked a mass fans protest and uproar, condemnation from every walk of life and enticed Sir Tom to step in then yes he saved us.

**** Mercer and **** Hearts

[JohnMcM]

The donation includes Gift Aid. That means he personally has given about £2.75m. That ties in with the previous figure that was being talked about.

The donation is for "community benefit". It remains to be seen how that is defined.

It is also without preconditions on the structure and governance of the SPFL. That leaves an open question about the League itself.

Am I being dumb, what would that question about the League be?

[Aldo]

18 minutes ago, Locky said:
First Mercer, now Anderson.



Will these *****rags from Lochend ever be in a position to not need good Hearts men to bail them out the ****?


Absolutely dumbfounded Mercer bailed us out :rolleyes: Anderson has bankrolled us for a full £50,000 which may cover less than a weeks costs. :rolleyes:

And this is all down to the Budgie? What has she done other than say she knows Anderson? :confused:

Ha love it!

Bail out. For those looking in... it it hadn’t been for your Benny you’d have been totally screwed.

Debt free [emoji736]
UEFA Compliant Stadium (not changing rooms) [emoji736]
Own training facilities [emoji736]
Over 20,000 Capacity [emoji736]
Didn’t bump the lady Haig Poppy Fund [emoji736]
(Immature but has to add it)
Currently in SPL [emoji736]
Class [emoji736]

The above is one Edinburgh team!
Roll on this discussion today so we can finally move on.

Also a big kudos to Mr Anderson for his kind donation.


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[CropleyWasGod]

As I posted earlier its not just the Natiobal Governing Body that is covered.

"SFA Article 99 on Arbitration comes into play, as does Article 36 on Club Licensing.

Its part of Hearts licence that they must submit any dispute to binding arbitration. It does not have to be a dispute with the SFA directly as some of the legal eagles on Keekboak seem to think.

The SFA can call in any dispute at any time and indeed is obligated by its own articles and membership of UEFA and FIFA imposes.

Taking the SPFL to a civil court is in breach of their club license and grounds for suspension by not following the requirements obligated under Article 99.

Its not just Article 5.1.(c) they need to consider and worry about."

By breaching their license obligations Hearts would be in dispute with the SFA and could have their license suspended or withdrawn completely.

Bear in mind it was a decision of the SFA as the governing body to suspend the season based on government advice to June 11 that kicked this off in the first place.

I get all that.

But that wouldn't preclude HMFC from having 2 ongoing disputes at the same time. One at the Court of Session, and one at Hampden.

That would make Leslie Deans a fair whack 😉

[CropleyWasGod]

Am I being dumb, what would that question about the League be?

Reconstruction. It doesn't explicitly say the "structure of the league". It says "The structure of the SPFL".

Semantics, perhaps, but it could be important.

[JohnMcM]

Reconstruction. It doesn't explicitly say the "structure of the league". It says "The structure of the SPFL".

Semantics, perhaps, but it could be important.

Ah! I see it now. Thanks.

[Green Blood]

Today is St Saviours day! Meltdown this pm when its announced that the premier league is to be increased to 14 clubs!

Money talks sadly, not in the know but just my cynical thoughts on the whole episode, smoke and mirrors just the half of it. They were always likely to be saved in todays climate.

[CropleyWasGod]

18 minutes ago, Locky said:
First Mercer, now Anderson.



Will these *****rags from Lochend ever be in a position to not need good Hearts men to bail them out the ****?


Absolutely dumbfounded Mercer bailed us out :rolleyes: Anderson has bankrolled us for a full £50,000 which may cover less than a weeks costs. :rolleyes:

And this is all down to the Budgie? What has she done other than say she knows Anderson? :confused:

It's not for our costs either. It's for community benefit. My guess is that HCF will apply for the money.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I get all that.

But that wouldn't preclude HMFC from having 2 ongoing disputes at the same time. One at the Court of Session, and one at Hampden.

That would make Leslie Deans a fair whack 😉

The only way Deans will make a whack is when he does the conveyancing work on the CALA flats that'll be built on the site...😁

[Springbank]

It's not for our costs either. It's for community benefit. My guess is that HCF will apply for the money.

If we take the benefactor at his word (and let's say I do)
Then HCF is exactly the type of organisation he has in mind as a worthy recipient.

Assuming his donation is genuinely "no strings attached" (and we'll know that in the next few hours probably) then you have to take your hat off to the guy.

HCF do amazing things in the local community (as do others like Leith Links & Hanlon Stevenson Foundation) and these guys deserve a hand up...I would be confident theyd all spend the money well

[Irish_Steve]

Yeah, fair play to James Anderson

However, it`s the phrase "it`s the start of our journey together" than raises alarm bells for me - what does he mean?

[green day]

Yeah, fair play to James Anderson

However, it`s the phrase "it`s the start of our journey together" than raises alarm bells for me - what does he mean?

Not me. I think he is a genuine philanthropist who - now he has been outed - has decided to pump his own cash into Scottish football.

Good on him.

As long as there are no strings, obvs......................:greengrin

[Not In The Know]

18 minutes ago, Locky said:
First Mercer, now Anderson.



Will these *****rags from Lochend ever be in a position to not need good Hearts men to bail them out the ****?


Absolutely dumbfounded Mercer bailed us out :rolleyes: Anderson has bankrolled us for a full £50,000 which may cover less than a weeks costs. :rolleyes:

And this is all down to the Budgie? What has she done other than say she knows Anderson? :confused:


jeeez!


How about we announce plans for a statue/ memeorial to be built out side the stadium commemorating the New Years 0-7 victory? Lets say we have a budget of circa £50,000 to spend on it.

[Aldo]

Today is St Saviours day! Meltdown this pm when its announced that the premier league is to be increased to 14 clubs!

Money talks sadly, not in the know but just my cynical thoughts on the whole episode, smoke and mirrors just the half of it. They were always likely to be saved in todays climate.

The money will not have any ties and cannot have any ties or Mr Anderson would not get involved. If there is any sort of hint etc and they stay up the fallout will be unbelievable and it could potentially be looked upon as bribery.

I for one think reconstruction will be dead in water and won’t go to a vote (if it does they still won’t get it)

They will be playing in the Championship next season plain and simple.


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[Col2]

Today is St Saviours day! Meltdown this pm when its announced that the premier league is to be increased to 14 clubs!

Money talks sadly, not in the know but just my cynical thoughts on the whole episode, smoke and mirrors just the half of it. They were always likely to be saved in todays climate.

Sadly I agree. It’s similar to the authorities dropping the Sevco investigation a few days after Rangers stop threatening legal action with SPFL.

It won’t be directly linked as it can’t be but all of a sudden the top tier teams are falling over themselves to keep Hearts up. I hope I am wrong.

[Waxy]

Yeah, fair play to James Anderson

However, it`s the phrase "it`s the start of our journey together" than raises alarm bells for me - what does he mean?

Well he is just a benefactor to the Duncans is that right?
He isnt on their board or have any commitment to invest in them i dont think?
Stand to be corrected?

[Stuart93]

Sadly I agree. It’s similar to the authorities dropping the Sevco investigation a few days after Rangers stop threatening legal action with SPFL.

It won’t be directly linked as it can’t be but all of a sudden the top tier teams are falling over themselves to keep Hearts up. I hope I am wrong.

It can’t be directly linked? I’d say if it goes through it absolutely can be directly linked

[green day]

but all of a sudden the top tier teams are falling over themselves to keep Hearts up. .

Where is this happening / being reported?

[Brightside]

Where is this happening / being reported?

Its been reported nowhere.

[Waxy]

Where is this happening / being reported?

Just someone freaking out and needing oxygen. I’ve been guilty of that myself at times.

[Col2]

It can’t be directly linked? I’d say if it goes through it absolutely can be directly linked

Not legally. Lots of nudge and winks.

[Col2]

Just someone freaking out and needing oxygen. I’ve been guilty of that myself at times.

Cheers bud. Your probably right. Bloody lockdown!

[Stuart93]

Not legally. Lots of nudge and winks.

But would absolutely tarnish James Anderson’s public image.

[007]

Today is St Saviours day! Meltdown this pm when its announced that the premier league is to be increased to 14 clubs!

Money talks sadly, not in the know but just my cynical thoughts on the whole episode, smoke and mirrors just the half of it. They were always likely to be saved in todays climate.

There's definitely going to be a meltdown, it's just whether it is here or over there 😄. Their's will just be a mini meltdown for now because there's still the option of going down the legal route.

[calumhibee1]

I've heard a few of those imbeciles say Mercer saved us. If saving us means that his actions sparked a mass fans protest and uproar, condemnation from every walk of life and enticed Sir Tom to step in then yes he saved us.

**** Mercer and **** Hearts

By that logic the American police also saved black people.

Only Hearts fans.

[Aldo]

But would absolutely tarnish James Anderson’s public image.

As I mentioned on the other board if this is the case he would have no involvement.

I am sticking that it won’t go through and reconstruction will be dead in water.

If Doncaster and co feel the need to take it further then the fallout could be massive. I suspect he’s been getting his own house in order in case legal action is their way.


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[Sammy7nil]

There's definitely going to be a meltdown, it's just whether it is here or over there 😄. Their's will just be a mini meltdown for now because there's still the option of going down the legal route.

If things go the wrong way I hope we voice our disapproval have a wee bit fun about bribery take it on the chin and quickly move. Let's leave the meltdowns for things that really matter.

[Peevemor]

There's definitely going to be a meltdown, it's just whether it is here or over there 😄. Their's will just be a mini meltdown for now because there's still the option of going down the legal route.

I expect Budge to make a statement almost immediately saying that, for the good of the game, HMFC will sacrifice themselves by not taking legal action.

Cue keekboakers saying for evermore that once again "the famous" have saved the world.

Hoorah for Hearts!

[vahibbie]

I reckon another vote on an independent inquiry into this donation would be required and quite frankly expose this for the bribery and corruption it is.

Anderson is in charge of Scottish Mortgage, the largest investment fund in the UK with assets over £10 billion. I seriously doubt there will be anything underhanded in these proposals. The good Doctor may put her own slant on things but Anderson's high business profile will have to be seen to be squeekie clean.
Although, the fact he's a Jambo in the first place is worrying 😂😂

[SouthMoroccoStu]

I expect Budge to make a statement almost immediately saying that, for the good of the game, HMFC will sacrifice themselves by not taking legal action.

Cue keekboakers saying for evermore that once again "the famous" have saved the world.

Hoorah for Hearts!

Yip

They'll pretend to accept it with dignity - 7 weeks too late for that!

[Irish_Steve]

I just want a decision, one way or the other so that I can get on with my life instead of sitting on football forums all day.

Unlike those across the road who seem to no friends from other teams, I have a few mates who are Jambos and we enjoy taking the mickey out of each other but the Brokeback level of hostility towards us is unbelievable

[EI255]

Benefactor money not quite over the line. Funny that. No strings we were told. It’s not done yet just when we are at the 11th hour. Feels like something stinks.100% stinks.

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[SMAXXA]

Does anyone actually think 50 grant is a sweetness enough to make a top team side think differently to their voting Intentions? I’d personally like to see Hibs pass it up and request to channel it to lower league teams which probably wouldn’t be allowed knowing the SPFL.

Equally do you honestly think the guy would shell out over 3 million quid to try cha he people’s thoughts on reconstruction because he’s a Hearts fan? He would have been aswell saying he would just give it to Hearts and bankroll then next season so they don’t lose any cash.

See for the incredible gesture it is, if clubs decide to vote for reconstruction that’s on them not related to this imo.

[Since452]

By that logic the American police also saved black people.

Only Hearts fans.

Exactly

[EI255]

This is a war of attrition - it will drag on and on till they are saved. Clubs are being wearied and bored into into saying ‘stuff it, ok we’ll go along with their solution, anything to get on with the important business of getting football back on track again’.It all comes back to the question, IF THIS WERE ST MIRREN OR HAMILTON ACCIDEMICAL WOULD THIS STILL BE RUMBLING ON AND ON AND ON.......?


THE ANSWER IS NO.

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[Hibeesmad]

Tick tock.

[Brightside]

Does anyone actually think 50 grant is a sweetness enough to make a top team side think differently to their voting Intentions? I’d personally like to see Hibs pass it up and request to channel it to lower league teams which probably wouldn’t be allowed knowing the SPFL.

Equally do you honestly think the guy would shell out over 3 million quid to try cha he people’s thoughts on reconstruction because he’s a Hearts fan? He would have been aswell saying he would just give it to Hearts and bankroll then next season so they don’t lose any cash.

See for the incredible gesture it is, if clubs decide to vote for reconstruction that’s on them not related to this imo.

50k means nothing to the majority in the SPL. Aberdeen claiming they are losing £1m a month right now!

[calumhibee1]

Presume nobody has any idea when we can expect an announcement?

I fully expect the day to pass without anything.

[Heisenberg]

Presume nobody has any idea when we can expect an announcement?

I fully expect the day to pass without anything.

I think they’ll definitely announce something today (or it’ll be leaked). At a guess it’ll be the announcement of a vote on a reconstruction proposal.

[SMAXXA]

50k means nothing to the majority in the SPL. Aberdeen claiming they are losing £1m a month right now!

Exactly my point mate.

[Lee Marvin]

So Doncaster says the Anderson money for the benefit of 42 SPFL clubs. To me, this means no reconstruction as that would be 44 clubs....

That is a clue, IMO

[Since452]

Got a feeling this will drag on even longer. Something along the lines of clubs have until next Friday to propose how obstacles are overcome. Needs called today one way or the other so we can all move on.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Presume nobody has any idea when we can expect an announcement?

I fully expect the day to pass without anything.

Because why would they break the habit of a lifetime...

[Peevemor]

I think they’ll definitely announce something today (or it’ll be leaked). At a guess it’ll be the announcement of a vote on a reconstruction proposal.

I think they will announce that no votes are to be held due to lack of interest at this time. The same reason as given for disbanding Budge's reconstruction task force or whatever they were called.

[Waxy]

Got a feeling this will drag on even longer. Something along the lines of clubs have until next Friday to propose how obstacles are overcome. Needs called today one way or the other so we can all move on.

Probably. Then Friday will come and go then nothing. Then friday night comes and we have a major joint bbc and daily record announcement of a new proposal of blah blah blah. Lets get Budge back on heartsound all weekend again to talk recycled guff.

[Sammy7nil]

Got a feeling this will drag on even longer. Something along the lines of clubs have until next Friday to propose how obstacles are overcome. Needs called today one way or the other so we can all move on.

If this is further delayed it shows incompetence.

Any proposals for reconstruction would need at least 6 months to be fully consulted on considered by all stakeholders including fans before reasoned decisions are made. It would then have to be brought in at least a year later.

Personally I think we have to look at regional leagues below Championship level.

[CropleyWasGod]

Does anyone actually think 50 grant is a sweetness enough to make a top team side think differently to their voting Intentions? I’d personally like to see Hibs pass it up and request to channel it to lower league teams which probably wouldn’t be allowed knowing the SPFL.

Equally do you honestly think the guy would shell out over 3 million quid to try cha he people’s thoughts on reconstruction because he’s a Hearts fan? He would have been aswell saying he would just give it to Hearts and bankroll then next season so they don’t lose any cash.

See for the incredible gesture it is, if clubs decide to vote for reconstruction that’s on them not related to this imo.

To be clear:-

1. it's not for the clubs. it's for community benefit.

2. JA has "only" paid about £2.6m. The rest of the money is via Gift Aid.... ie from the taxpayer.

[Lago]

Stay calm
the big maroon jobby is
going down
For some reason your really obsessed with jobbies

[Baader]

Really needs a line drawn so we can move on. It's ridiculous how long this been dragging on.

[SMAXXA]

To be clear:-

1. it's not for the clubs. it's for community benefit.

2. JA has "only" paid about £2.6m. The rest of the money is via Gift Aid.... ie from the taxpayer.

Of course it is, it is for the clubs but the clubs have to demonstrate the community side of things which I’m sure most clubs will be able to and that may be as clear as we need the money to survive and use to run the club.

Not all clubs have community segmentation as official as Hibs in the community but still have a footprint in their own community to a much smaller scale.

To suggest it’s not for the clubs is crazy as what good is it to use for the community when that club itself goes out of business as have no money.

[Joe6-2]

Announced the day of the big zoom call 🙄

My thoughts too

[CropleyWasGod]

Of course it is, it is for the clubs but the clubs have to demonstrate the community side of things which I’m sure most clubs will be able to and that may be as clear as we need the money to survive and use to run the club.

Not all clubs have community segmentation as official as Hibs in the community but still have a footprint in their own community to a much smaller scale.

To suggest it’s not for the clubs is crazy as what good is it to use for the community when that club itself goes out of business as have no money.

I think a lot of people are seeing this as help towards running costs, though, which it isn't. How the SPFLT define "community benefit" will be important.

[007]

To be clear:-

1. it's not for the clubs. it's for community benefit.

2. JA has "only" paid about £2.6m. The rest of the money is via Gift Aid.... ie from the taxpayer.

And rightly so. Big, well run clubs shouldn't need extra money chucked at them. They'd only go and waste it on dud players.

[Joe6-2]

Ha love it!

Bail out. For those looking in... it it hadn’t been for your Benny you’d have been totally screwed.

Debt free [emoji736]
UEFA Compliant Stadium (not changing rooms) [emoji736]
Own training facilities [emoji736]
Over 20,000 Capacity [emoji736]
Didn’t bump the lady Haig Poppy Fund [emoji736]
(Immature but has to add it)
Currently in SPL [emoji736]
Class [emoji736]

The above is one Edinburgh team!
Roll on this discussion today so we can finally move on.

Also a big kudos to Mr Anderson for his kind donation.


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Yeah, but which Edinburgh team? 🤔😆

[Keith_M]

To be clear:-

1. it's not for the clubs. it's for community benefit.

2. JA has "only" paid about £2.6m. The rest of the money is via Gift Aid.... ie from the taxpayer.


To be even more clear....

“This extremely generous donation from James will help protect all of our clubs from the very worst effects of Covid-19, enabling them to return to playing as early as it’s safe to do so, whilst continuing to reach out and support communities as they have done throughout the pandemic,” he said. "

Neil Doncaster (from The Herald (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18507659.james-anderson-donates-3m-spfl-trust-help-scottish-clubs-coronavirus-crisis/))


Ergo, there is no expectation on his part that the clubs will have to use all (or even any) of the ~£50k for community projects directly.

[Hibs4185]

To be even more clear....

“This extremely generous donation from James will help protect all of our clubs from the very worst effects of Covid-19, enabling them to return to playing as early as it’s safe to do so, whilst continuing to reach out and support communities as they have done throughout the pandemic,” he said. "

Neil Doncaster (from The Herald (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18507659.james-anderson-donates-3m-spfl-trust-help-scottish-clubs-coronavirus-crisis/))


Ergo, there is no expectation on his part that the clubs will have to use all (or even any) of the £50 for community projects directly.

If only he had added.....’And gives hearts a league to play in next year’

[Onion]

Does anyone actually think 50 grant is a sweetness enough to make a top team side think differently to their voting Intentions? I’d personally like to see Hibs pass it up and request to channel it to lower league teams which probably wouldn’t be allowed knowing the SPFL.

Equally do you honestly think the guy would shell out over 3 million quid to try cha he people’s thoughts on reconstruction because he’s a Hearts fan? He would have been aswell saying he would just give it to Hearts and bankroll then next season so they don’t lose any cash.

See for the incredible gesture it is, if clubs decide to vote for reconstruction that’s on them not related to this imo.

Too many coincidences starting with Budge publicly accepting her plans was all but dead, then from nowhere a Hearts fan pops up with £3M offer (no strings), discussion takes place, money is distributed, clubs change their vote and Hearts amazingly get promoted back into the Prem. The optics of that are awful and any jury in the land would link those events. Saying that, think they're doomed and Anderson's generosity will have to be rewarded in other ways by the SPFL and officials during the Championship season :wink:

[granty6_2]

2 significant clues in the SPFL announcement.

1. The grant has been awarded to the SPFL trust. They have nothing to do with the running of the leagues and are the community arm of football, for example the ran the football fans in training initiative. The money appears to be aimed at supporting the community side of football, and requires clubs to bid for the money and explain how it will be spent on community outreach work.

2. The press release mentions its to be split amongst 42 clubs....reconstruction would mean 44, or even 46 clubs.

As time goes on, i am more confident the donation is based as an altruistic gesture to support Scottish communities, via the clubs rather than fund the signing players.

As for reconstruction, confident this is dead. Like him or loathe him Neil Doncaster cannot be accused of not giving clubs time to enter solutions - terrible communication, yes! I am confident the heads of most (:greengrin) clubs are wise enough and strong enough to see through any bribery (i have 100% faith in LD) and would stand up strongly to anything underhand.

Give it time....

[Irish_Steve]

2 significant clues in the SPFL announcement.

1. The grant has been awarded to the SPFL trust. They have nothing to do with the running of the leagues and are the community arm of football, for example the ran the football fans in training initiative. The money appears to be aimed at supporting the community side of football, and requires clubs to bid for the money and explain how it will be spent on community outreach work.

2. The press release mentions its to be split amongst 42 clubs....reconstruction would mean 44, or even 46 clubs.

As time goes on, i am more confident the donation is based as an altruistic gesture to support Scottish communities, via the clubs rather than fund the signing players.

As for reconstruction, confident this is dead. Like him or loathe him Neil Doncaster cannot be accused of not giving clubs time to enter solutions - terrible communication, yes! I am confident the heads of most (:greengrin) clubs are wise enough and strong enough to see through any bribery (i have 100% faith in LD) and would stand up strongly to anything underhand.

Give it time....

They could still change the format of the leagues tho for 42 teams - just get it done one way or the other!

[CropleyWasGod]

To be even more clear....

“This extremely generous donation from James will help protect all of our clubs from the very worst effects of Covid-19, enabling them to return to playing as early as it’s safe to do so, whilst continuing to reach out and support communities as they have done throughout the pandemic,” he said. "

Neil Doncaster (from The Herald (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18507659.james-anderson-donates-3m-spfl-trust-help-scottish-clubs-coronavirus-crisis/))


Ergo, there is no expectation on his part that the clubs will have to use all (or even any) of the ~£50k for community projects directly.

Except the statement from the SPFLT themselves:-

Clubs will be able to use the grant, provided they are able to demonstrate support for the wider community in which they are based. This will be a condition of the grant.

As I say, how the SPFLT define "community support" is key.

[Caversham Green]

2 significant clues in the SPFL announcement.

1. The grant has been awarded to the SPFL trust. They have nothing to do with the running of the leagues and are the community arm of football, for example the ran the football fans in training initiative. The money appears to be aimed at supporting the community side of football, and requires clubs to bid for the money and explain how it will be spent on community outreach work.

2. The press release mentions its to be split amongst 42 clubs....reconstruction would mean 44, or even 46 clubs.

As time goes on, i am more confident the donation is based as an altruistic gesture to support Scottish communities, via the clubs rather than fund the signing players.

As for reconstruction, confident this is dead. Like him or loathe him Neil Doncaster cannot be accused of not giving clubs time to enter solutions - terrible communication, yes! I am confident the heads of most (:greengrin) clubs are wise enough and strong enough to see through any bribery (i have 100% faith in LD) and would stand up strongly to anything underhand.

Give it time....

If Celtc and "Rangers" colts get into the bottom division it would still be 42 clubs but two of them would have additional teams in the leagues.

[Keith_M]

...

1. The grant has been awarded to the SPFL trust. They have nothing to do with the running of the leagues and are the community arm of football, for example the ran the football fans in training initiative. The money appears to be aimed at supporting the community side of football, and requires clubs to bid for the money and explain how it will be spent on community outreach work.
....


Actually, that doesn't appear to be the case.

"It will enable clubs to access vital funds during these exceptional times, whilst ensuring they can also continue to support the important community work that has been taking place over recent months.

James’ donation will also be used to launch one of our biggest ever initiatives, Scottish Football United."

-- SPFL CEO, Nicky Reid


Notice the use of the word 'also'.


"This extremely generous donation from James will help protect all of our clubs from the very worst effects of Covid-19, enabling them to return to playing as early as it’s safe to do so"

-- Neil Doncaster.


Forty two times 50k is not three million pounds, it's just over two million. The 50k part appears to be to help fund the clubs through the crisis and the additional money is for other (community) projects.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I think they will announce that no votes are to be held due to lack of interest at this time. The same reason as given for disbanding Budge's reconstruction task force or whatever they were called.

The Budgie has not submitted a firm proposal with the formal backing of 3 clubs.

The Thes have not submitted a firm proposal with the backing of 3 clubs.

There is nothing to vote on as yet.

[Keith_M]

Except the statement from the SPFLT themselves:-

Clubs will be able to use the grant, provided they are able to demonstrate support for the wider community in which they are based. This will be a condition of the grant.

As I say, how the SPFLT define "community support" is key.


Yes, but demonstrating support for the wider community does not necessarily mean that the £50k is to be used for that purpose. It's just that they have to give evidence that the club is a worthy candidate to be kept alive, as it has a history of benefiting the community in some way.


The fact that Doncaster himself intimated that it is to help the clubs survive gives a clearer guide as to what is it actually for.


Plus, as I mentioned above, there is an additional £1M. It appears that part is directly for the community projects.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yes, but demonstrating support for the wider community does not necessarily mean that the £50k is to be used for that purpose. It's just that they have to give evidence that the club is a worthy candidate to be kept alive, as it has a history of benefiting the community in some way.


The fact that Doncaster himself intimated that it is to help the clubs survive gives a clearer guide as to what is it actually for.


Plus, as I mentioned above, there is an additional £1M. It appears that part is directly for the community projects.

I haven't seen the SPFLT conditions for the grants yet, but I'd be interested in seeing how that part is worded.

[theonlywayisup]

:panic::panic:

Anyone really know what's happening?

[Keith_M]

I haven't seen the SPFLT conditions for the grants yet, but I'd be interested in seeing how that part is worded.


If you have a read through the Herald article (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18507659.james-anderson-donates-3m-spfl-trust-help-scottish-clubs-coronavirus-crisis/), it has quite a few useful quotes from the various parties.

[JohnMcM]

:panic::panic:

Anyone really know what's happening?

Neil Doncaster, I hope.

[scoopyboy]

If Celtc and "Rangers" colts get into the bottom division it would still be 42 clubs but two of them would have additional teams in the leagues.

Correct to an extent, but if the colts get in then so do Brora and Kelty so would be 46 teams but 44 clubs.

[Sweet Left Peg]

Hibs should bid £50k for Hickey.

[CropleyWasGod]

If Celtc and "Rangers" colts get into the bottom division it would still be 42 clubs but two of them would have additional teams in the leagues.

Stop it :greengrin

[Seveno]

To be clear:-

1. it's not for the clubs. it's for community benefit.

2. JA has "only" paid about £2.6m. The rest of the money is via Gift Aid.... ie from the taxpayer.

Surely Gift Aid only applies to Registered Charities?

[Sammy7nil]

Hibs should bid £50k for Hickey.

I think Bayern, Man City, PSG and Lazio have all bid £55k :greengrin

[nonshinyfinish]

Surely Gift Aid only applies to Registered Charities?

"The SPFL Trust is an independent, registered charity…"

https://spfltrust.org.uk/

[007]

Hibs should bid £50k for Hickey.

And apply at the same time for a £50k grant from the James Anderson fund for "community" projects.

[Waxy]

Bet Hearts apply for the £50k even though they’ve just saved the world.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Bet Hearts apply for the £50k even though they’ve just saved the world.

It's a bit weird that they seem to think that they are responsible for this money. It would have been like Motherwell fans taking the credit for hunters philanthropy

[The 90+2]

Is there a decision being made today? This is tedious now like.

[calumhibee1]

It's a bit weird that they seem to think that they are responsible for this money. It would have been like Motherwell fans taking the credit for hunters philanthropy

They took credit for winning the first world war because they had about 17 players involved out of 250,000 regular soldiers.

It’s certainly weird that they claim credit for everything but it’s no surprise.

[calumhibee1]

Is there a decision being made today? This is tedious now like.

I’m certainly not holding my breath.

[MacGruber]

You know they are escaping this,. just know it.

[Waxy]

They might just leave it to fizzle out.
There hasnt been any real proposal so there’s nothing to say or vote on really. We’re way to far down the road to change anything about next season anyway.
Get the fixtures done.

[Sammy7nil]

I think in years to come we will look back on this day and celebrate the day the Budgie and Hearts saved Scottish football without donating a penny or in fact doing anything at all. A truly great day for Hearts.






:wink::confused::greengrin

[Since452]

Thank you Hearts for winning both world wars. Thank you for saving Hibs in 1990. Thank you for saving Scottish football in 2020. Thank you for for saving Lady Haig's poppy fund. Is Carol Vorderman still hosting those awards?

[CraigHibee]

hoping that flush is pulled hard today and the wee straggly jobbie that keeps bobbing back to the top is flushed around the u-bend for good, the queen of farts should then be told to shut up

[Lee Marvin]

The SPFL Trust leader just said that clubs do not need to take the £50,000 and can leave it in the pot for others to use.

I hope Hibs do this. Celtic and Rangers should be going nowhere near these monies.

[Green Blood]

The silence is deafening, has been for weeks! Clearly an agreement reached in principle some time ago to secure HMFC's place in top league. The discussions have been about how it is sold to the fans and the wider public so that there are minimal repercussions and fuss. Said all along that money passing hands is always conditional. Stinks badly this whole mess.

[Paisley Hibby]

I'm guessing the silence is because

1. Doncaster is waiting for the money to appear in the bank before pulling the flush on reconstruction

OR

2. He really really needs the money, it really really is conditional on saving the pink poppy thieves and he's trying to find a way of doing that which doesn't look like bribery

I hope it's 1, I fear it's 2.

[blackpoolhibs]

The silence is deafening, has been for weeks! Clearly an agreement reached in principle some time ago to secure HMFC's place in top league. The discussions have been about how it is sold to the fans and the wider public so that there are minimal repercussions and fuss. Said all along that money passing hands is always conditional. Stinks badly this whole mess.

:faf:

[Caversham Green]

The SPFL Trust leader just said that clubs do not need to take the £50,000 and can leave it in the pot for others to use.

I hope Hibs do this. Celtic and Rangers should be going nowhere near these monies.

I agree. I think it should have been exclusively for lower league club like Alloa, Arbroath and .....others. Either that or used communally to set up something like regional testing facilities if that was feasible.

[Caversham Green]

The silence is deafening, has been for weeks! Clearly an agreement reached in principle some time ago to secure HMFC's place in top league. The discussions have been about how it is sold to the fans and the wider public so that there are minimal repercussions and fuss. Said all along that money passing hands is always conditional. Stinks badly this whole mess.

You have indeed said that all along.

Doesn't mean you're right though.

[nonshinyfinish]

The SPFL Trust leader just said that clubs do not need to take the £50,000 and can leave it in the pot for others to use.

I hope Hibs do this. Celtic and Rangers should be going nowhere near these monies.

I assume clubs would have to make further applications for any leftover money and justify why they need it?

Agree that it would be good if Hibs turned down their share – the money should be focused on the lower leagues rather than just split 42 ways – but I'd hate the idea of some other Premiership club trying to hoover up the leftover money.

[matty_f]

You have indeed said that all along.

Doesn't mean you're right though.

Yep, nothing had been agreed previously, why on earth would the clubs waste time and money on it if it's already decided?
It may well end up that Hearts get promoted, but that's not in any way evidence that it was agreed ages ago.

[Ozyhibby]

The SPFL Trust leader just said that clubs do not need to take the £50,000 and can leave it in the pot for others to use.

I hope Hibs do this. Celtic and Rangers should be going nowhere near these monies.

Eh? There are people at Hibs in danger of losing their jobs and you want us to give away £50k?


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[Lee Marvin]

Eh? There are people at Hibs in danger of losing their jobs and you want us to give away £50k?


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Where are you seeing this? I have not seen anyone state that jobs are at risk at ER. If they are, then obviously I would not want us to turn done this money.

I am not convinced you are correct however.

[SMAXXA]

Eh? There are people at Hibs in danger of losing their jobs and you want us to give away £50k?


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Where have the club said there is danger of people losing their jobs I’ve not seen that? 🤷🏼*♂️

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:faf:

Indeed. I think any "agreement" might have been leaked at some point.

[Aldo]

The silence is deafening, has been for weeks! Clearly an agreement reached in principle some time ago to secure HMFC's place in top league. The discussions have been about how it is sold to the fans and the wider public so that there are minimal repercussions and fuss. Said all along that money passing hands is always conditional. Stinks badly this whole mess.

Really!


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[Wakeyhibee]

The SPFL Trust leader just said that clubs do not need to take the £50,000 and can leave it in the pot for others to use.

I hope Hibs do this. Celtic and Rangers should be going nowhere near these monies.

Would hope at least the biggest 5 do.

As much of this should go to where its needed the most.

[jacomo]

And rightly so. Big, well run clubs shouldn't need extra money chucked at them. They'd only go and waste it on dud players.


No, if he’s claiming gift aid on the donation then the money has to be used for charitable purposes. Player wages won’t qualify.

[Ozyhibby]

Where have the club said there is danger of people losing their jobs I’ve not seen that? [emoji1743]*[emoji3603]

The club are losing money hand over fist and all the staff are being paid by the govt just now but that will end soon. We have no certainty over when we will have crowds back into watch football. We have no certainty over when we can get youth teams back in training. When community programs can be back up and running?
If you need the club to release a statement to tell you that jobs are at risk then I can’t help you.


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[jacomo]

Neil McCann is all in favour of colt teams, and mentions Andy Robertson as a ‘classic example’... of someone who didn’t come through a colt team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52993945

Thick. As. Mince.

[Stuart93]

Neil McCann is all in favour of colt teams, and mentions Andy Robertson as a ‘classic example’... of someone who didn’t come through a colt team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52993945

Thick. As. Mince.

Aw absolute thick as pig **** him

A superb manager too....

[green day]

Neil McCann is all in favour of colt teams, and mentions Andy Robertson as a ‘classic example’... of someone who didn’t come through a colt team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52993945

Thick. As. Mince.

Surely there is an editor on the BBC Sportsound team who should be calling this crap out?

When fans of every team are cringing at his incoherent nonsense every week, when he is allowed to just spout utter garbage like this in defence of his ludicrous stance - he must be removed.

[Greenworld]

Eh? There are people at Hibs in danger of losing their jobs and you want us to give away £50k?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI would expect Hibs to apply for this money. This will pay for a testing machine which also can be used in the local community . Which in Hibs case will be areas around the training center

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[CapitalGreen]

Neil McCann is all in favour of colt teams, and mentions Andy Robertson as a ‘classic example’... of someone who didn’t come through a colt team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52993945

Thick. As. Mince.

In other words, the Old Firm should have colt teams so they can hoard more the best young Scottish players and heaven forbid the likes of Queens Park and Dundee United might take a chance on them.

[Jim44]

No, if he’s claiming gift aid on the donation then the money has to be used for charitable purposes. Player wages won’t qualify.

I’ve not given it much thought, but I’m wondering how small clubs are going to benefit directly from a gift which ostensibly was announced as money to help clubs during this difficult time.

[dchibs]

Thank you Hearts for winning both world wars. Thank you for saving Hibs in 1990. Thank you for saving Scottish football in 2020. Thank you for for saving Lady Haig's poppy fund. Is Carol Vorderman still hosting those awards?

shes lost count on how many times Hertz have saved the world.

[Greenworld]

I’ve not given it much thought, but I’m wondering how small clubs are going to benefit directly from a gift which ostensibly was announced as money to help clubs during this difficult time.Caronavirus testing machines which can also be used in local community to the club which is a wish list from James Anderson

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