NO to reconstruction

[The Baldmans Comb]

Hearts relegated, Falkirk raging, Sevco humiliated.

I have had worse days and it more than makes up for this being Cup Final day v Celtc.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-help-torpedo-hearts-premiership-21998887?2

Well done Leeann 😅

Start of the article uses words like Leeann “helped relegate” “killed off” “ganged up” “torpedoed” to describe her role in this

And yet it the end of the article

“By the time it got around to Leeann declaring her position 
it was already obvious that reconstruction 
was off the table.”

So it was all hibs fault...

Click bait and hearts provoking terms

[Peevemor]

Get the popcorn out again..

Some of the statements coming out from clubs such as Falkirk are hilarious.

I’m just glad Hibs aren’t directly involved in this as such - can sit back and watch everyone go wild.They really have to pull clubs up for these outbursts.

Everything is being decided by members' (ie. clubs') votes. It seems that anyone unhappy with the decisions taken automatically runs to the press shouting "shambles" and "unfair".

Shut them the f*** up! They're boring and damaging.

[Peevemor]

Much as the SPFL board and Doncaster have made a pigs ear of things they played a blinder in offering reconstruction talks to push through the vote for the lower leagues.They knew there was no chance of the SPFL agreeing to any change. Btw what did Sevco vote for. Haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere. No when can get on with ensuring we try and keep 42 clubs afloat. I worry we might lose one or two and could mean Kelty,Brora and even Bonnyrigg joining the league.I don't think they have made a pig's ear of things. We've never been in a situation like this before and I honestly think that the SPFL have handled things as wall as they could.

What could have been done differently?

[GreenCastle]

They really have to pull clubs up for these outbursts.

Everything is being decided by members' (ie. clubs') votes. It seems that anyone unhappy with the decisions taken automatically runs to the press shouting "shambles" and "unfair".

Shut them the f*** up! They're boring and damaging.

Yup.

It’s like clubs are trying to outdo each our and gain support when actually they are making the whole thing into a bigger farce and laughing stock.

I would be amazed if action isn’t taken against clubs making these rash statements - calling the called shambles etc.

Other sports would suspend teams / fine clubs.

[Beefster]

All's well that ends well.

[Heisenberg]

Partick Thistle fuming. I don’t understand why they are upset that reconstruction has been binned due to lack of support in the Premiership. No point dragging it on for another couple of weeks just for it to fail when it goes to a vote. Time can be better spent elsewhere. Bottom line is if they hadn’t been so dreadful on the park they wouldn’t be relegated.

https://twitter.com/partickthistle/status/1259093505605013506?s=21

[nonshinyfinish]

I don't think they have made a pig's ear of things. We've never been in a situation like this before and I honestly think that the SPFL have handled things as wall as they could.

What could have been done differently?

Announcing preliminary results of the vote, particularly at a point where a single club could swing it either way, was spectacularly incompetent. While I don't think it anything more suspicious than incompetence, it did open them up to allegations of something untoward and of Dundee being influenced etc. Obviously Sevco would have kicked off about "corruption" regardless, but you don't have to hand them ammunition.

Generally though, I agree they've handled it well, particularly the response to the staunch dossier and letting Budge lead a doomed-to-failure reconstruction group.

[007]

Per Richard Gordon the cabal 6 are:

St Mirren
St Johnstone
Ross County
Hibs
Aberdeen
Dundee United

The 6 said they were open minded to looking at reconstruction in the future.

There were 9 others open minded to reconstruction but could forsee obstacles ahead.

Others were split on temporary versus permanent reconstruction, so not just the cabal 6 that brought it down.

[Waxy]

Partick Thistle fuming. I don’t understand why they are upset that reconstruction has been binned due to lack of support in the Premiership. No point dragging it on for another couple of weeks just for it to fail when it goes to a vote. Time can be better spent elsewhere. Bottom line is if they hadn’t been so dreadful on the park they wouldn’t be relegated.

https://twitter.com/partickthistle/status/1259093505605013506?s=21Fairest unfair thing to do, its been said a thousand times.Reconstruction just has every team paying for one teams failure.it cannot happen,these teams have been the worst in a shortened season.personally i'm quickly losing any sympathy i had for them.

[oneone73]

Partick Thistle fuming. I don’t understand why they are upset that reconstruction has been binned due to lack of support in the Premiership. No point dragging it on for another couple of weeks just for it to fail when it goes to a vote. Time can be better spent elsewhere. Bottom line is if they hadn’t been so dreadful on the park they wouldn’t be relegated.

https://twitter.com/partickthistle/status/1259093505605013506?s=21

They were two points behind with a game in hand. Every right to feel angry.

[Carheenlea]

That daily record article is shameful. Laughably poor.

It`s bad enough that a senior sportswriter can pen such an awful report, but two of them are attributed to compiling the thing ( Keith Jackson & Scott Burns)

[we are hibs]

Boo ****ing hoo.

[Peevemor]

Partick Thistle fuming. I don’t understand why they are upset that reconstruction has been binned due to lack of support in the Premiership. No point dragging it on for another couple of weeks just for it to fail when it goes to a vote. Time can be better spent elsewhere. Bottom line is if they hadn’t been so dreadful on the park they wouldn’t be relegated.

https://twitter.com/partickthistle/status/1259093505605013506?s=21I do understand.

Had leagues of 12, 12, 10, 10 been proposed the kitty could have been split between the 44 clubs instead of the current 42. The difference for the Premiership clubs would have been negligible and nearly all issues of relegation/promotion in the lower leagues would have been addressed.

However I think the bottom tier clubs have already refused this.

[Heisenberg]

They were two points behind with a game in hand. Every right to feel angry.

On a points per game basis they didn’t have enough to avoid relegation. I’ve little sympathy for them, Falkirk, Hearts and any other club moaning like **** about this all.

[StevieC]

They were two points behind with a game in hand. Every right to feel angry.

The final placing were based on average points, specifically to negate the “game in hand” situation.

St Johnstone will jump above us in the league based on average points, unfortunately for Partick they still didn’t have enough average points.

I’ve not seen Hibs shouting about injustice regarding the loss of money that dropping from 6th to 7th on average points would result in.

[Heisenberg]

https://twitter.com/brorarangers/status/1259426031120846854?s=21

I understand why Brora and Kelty are unhappy that reconstruction won’t happen just now but are they not in the same position as the likes of Ayr/Inverness etc in that they still had playoffs to get through?*Promotion wasn’t a guarantee yet they are going on like it was and they’ve been massively wronged.*

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/brorarangers/status/1259426031120846854?s=21

I understand why Brora and Kelty are unhappy that reconstruction won’t happen just now but are they not in the same position as the likes of Ayr/Inverness etc in that they still had playoffs to get through?*Promotion wasn’t a guarantee yet they are going on like it was and they’ve been massively wronged.*

Correct. If we could play games we wouldn’t be in this situation. The SPFL have been consistent that only the automatic promotion and relegations are happening. All play offs are cancelled.


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[Hibeesforever]

https://twitter.com/brorarangers/status/1259426031120846854?s=21

I understand why Brora and Kelty are unhappy that reconstruction won’t happen just now but are they not in the same position as the likes of Ayr/Inverness etc in that they still had playoffs to get through?*Promotion wasn’t a guarantee yet they are going on like it was and they’ve been massively wronged.*

Suppose they feel the opportunity has been taken away from them. I tend to agree and dont know why all the play offs could not be penciled in at the start of the next season. They are only a few games.

[Ozyhibby]

Suppose they feel the opportunity has been taken away from them. I tend to agree and dont know why all the play offs could not be penciled in at the start of the next season. They are only a few games.

How could the Lowland or Highland league plan for next season if they did not know how many teams would be in it?


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[ballengeich]

Suppose they feel the opportunity has been taken away from them. I tend to agree and dont know why all the play offs could not be penciled in at the start of the next season. They are only a few games.

Clubs set a budget dependent on the division they're in. Having play-offs immediately before the start of a new season gives no certainty about how much teams involved can pay, and also means players being offered contracts not knowing which division they'll be performing in.

Ending the season was less about getting money to the clubs than about bringing some certainty to a chaotic situation so that planning for the future could start.

[CapitalGreen]

Suppose they feel the opportunity has been taken away from them. I tend to agree and dont know why all the play offs could not be penciled in at the start of the next season. They are only a few games.

Because teams need to budget at the start of the season for the league they are playing in. What would Inverness do for example? Budget for playing in the Premiership and if they lose they are screwed financially or budget for playing in the Championship and if they win they are screwed competitively as their squad won’t be good enough.

[Peevemor]

Maybe it is condescending, but THE SPFL have got enough to sort out, especially the clubs with high outlays, without bothering about the likes of Brora who were far from guaranteed entry.

[Hibeesforever]

Because teams need to budget at the start of the season for the league they are playing in. What would Inverness do for example? Budget for playing in the Premiership and if they lose they are screwed financially or budget for playing in the Championship and if they win they are screwed competitively as their squad won’t be good enough.

Fair enough, that is far from ideal, although it would take away some of the grievance.

[Mikey]

The quicker the league gets called the better, then the adults can get on with working out how we get playing again.

[MWHIBBIES]

Partick Thistle fuming. I don’t understand why they are upset that reconstruction has been binned due to lack of support in the Premiership. No point dragging it on for another couple of weeks just for it to fail when it goes to a vote. Time can be better spent elsewhere. Bottom line is if they hadn’t been so dreadful on the park they wouldn’t be relegated.

https://twitter.com/partickthistle/status/1259093505605013506?s=21

Come on though. Yes obviously thats easy to say but they have a game in hand. They are definitely right to feel hard done by here.

[jacomo]

I genuinely don’t know what The Rangers want here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52604947

An independent review paid for by The Rangers will obviously not be independent.

[Waxy]

I genuinely don’t know what The Rangers want here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52604947

An independent review paid for by The Rangers will obviously not be independent.

Chic Young even said the exact same thing.

[Onion]

I genuinely don’t know what The Rangers want here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52604947

An independent review paid for by The Rangers will obviously not be independent.

Precisely, are they just thick or do they think everyone else is dumb. Most stupid idea since there last stupid idea.

Absolutely reeking of desperation :panic:

[Kaiser1962]

Because teams need to budget at the start of the season for the league they are playing in. What would Inverness do for example? Budget for playing in the Premiership and if they lose they are screwed financially or budget for playing in the Championship and if they win they are screwed competitively as their squad won’t be good enough.

Interesting statement from Nairn County, probably one of the clubs Budge views as unworthy.

https://www.nairncountyfc.co.uk/

[CockneyRebel]

Interesting statement from Nairn County, probably one of the clubs Budge views as unworthy.

https://www.nairncountyfc.co.uk/





That is pure class.

[Kaiser1962]

Nairn County FC

CLUB STATEMENT

Bill Shankly once said that football is not a matter of life and death, it is more important than that. Mr Shankly was wrong. It is a trying time for the Club, the town and the Country as a whole. In this regard we are aware we have not just football but also wider responsibilities.

Firstly to football. There will be no games or training at any level operated by the club until we are advised to recommence by both the Scottish Government and League officials. There is no indication at present that this season will be resumed any time soon.
In the past few days the Committee has discussed how we wish to take things forward for the club during this time. Since forming our Committee several years ago we have been conscious that whilst enjoying good days, we must always be aware that bad days may still come again. So to that regard we have budgeted over these years to make allowance for tougher times, placing at the sage guidance of our Treasurer, some monies from transfers, sponsors and other income away to safeguard our future. The Rainy Days have come and we are ready for them. We can confirm today that wages will continue to be paid in full to all our players and staff and that we will continue to meet our due bills and costs.

Now to our wider responsibilities. When we were in financial trouble several years ago, we asked the community for help and the community responded. We remember this and now it is our turn to repay this debt. In the coming days we will be in touch with local businesses to pay forward what we can for the coming season so that businesses will have that cash now when it is most needed, instead of next season. Further, we have no football to report, so we will devote our Social Media channels to advertising our local business sponsors and encouraging people to shop local and to consider making future bookings and buying vouchers now for local Hotels, hostelries, pubs and restaurants and all others to get some much needed cashflow into local business.

With regards to our fans and the community as a whole. Well we are not playing football for the foreseeable future, so if we can help on a Saturday with anyone in self isolation, be it picking up your shopping, getting your prescription to you or even just walking the dog, drop us a message or give us a call and we will sort something out for you.

Nobody knows how long this virus will be with us, it could be a long haul, but we want you to know that your Club is with you. You have supported us, now its our turn to do the same for you.


Ian Finlayson
Secretary
Nairn County FC

[Bostonhibby]

Nairn County FC

CLUB STATEMENT

Bill Shankly once said that football is not a matter of life and death, it is more important than that. Mr Shankly was wrong. It is a trying time for the Club, the town and the Country as a whole. In this regard we are aware we have not just football but also wider responsibilities.

Firstly to football. There will be no games or training at any level operated by the club until we are advised to recommence by both the Scottish Government and League officials. There is no indication at present that this season will be resumed any time soon.
In the past few days the Committee has discussed how we wish to take things forward for the club during this time. Since forming our Committee several years ago we have been conscious that whilst enjoying good days, we must always be aware that bad days may still come again. So to that regard we have budgeted over these years to make allowance for tougher times, placing at the sage guidance of our Treasurer, some monies from transfers, sponsors and other income away to safeguard our future. The Rainy Days have come and we are ready for them. We can confirm today that wages will continue to be paid in full to all our players and staff and that we will continue to meet our due bills and costs.

Now to our wider responsibilities. When we were in financial trouble several years ago, we asked the community for help and the community responded. We remember this and now it is our turn to repay this debt. In the coming days we will be in touch with local businesses to pay forward what we can for the coming season so that businesses will have that cash now when it is most needed, instead of next season. Further, we have no football to report, so we will devote our Social Media channels to advertising our local business sponsors and encouraging people to shop local and to consider making future bookings and buying vouchers now for local Hotels, hostelries, pubs and restaurants and all others to get some much needed cashflow into local business.

With regards to our fans and the community as a whole. Well we are not playing football for the foreseeable future, so if we can help on a Saturday with anyone in self isolation, be it picking up your shopping, getting your prescription to you or even just walking the dog, drop us a message or give us a call and we will sort something out for you.

Nobody knows how long this virus will be with us, it could be a long haul, but we want you to know that your Club is with you. You have supported us, now its our turn to do the same for you.


Ian Finlayson
Secretary
Nairn County FC
Class, interesting comparison with sevconians rage and Hearts polarised and rather transparent selfishness.

Good on Nairn County.

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[007]

I do understand.

Had leagues of 12, 12, 10, 10 been proposed the kitty could have been split between the 44 clubs instead of the current 42. The difference for the Premiership clubs would have been negligible and nearly all issues of relegation/promotion in the lower leagues would have been addressed.

However I think the bottom tier clubs have already refused this.

Once it became apparent the Premiership want to keep it at 12 then 12-12-10-10 should have been discussed however, would Budge have allowed it on the agenda? What's best for Scottish football etc etc.

[Tomsk]

We will never know if Hearts could have closed the four-point gap to save themselves from automatic relegation, but does history help?

The table below shows the team in the relegation spot with eight games to play and the final outcome at the end of the season. With only one exception in each case the team at the bottom of the league with eight games left took the drop. The exception was St Mirren in 2019 who were a point behind eventually relegated Dundee. Doesn't look good, Jambos.



2009-10 Falkirk 4 pts Falkirk goal difference
2010-11 Hamilton A 6 pts Hamilton A 7 pts
2011-12 Dunfermline 4 pts Dunfermline 8 pts
2012-13 Dundee 14 pts Dundee 11 pts
2013-14 Hearts 22 pts Hearts 12 pts
2014-15 St Mirren 4 pts St Mirren 6 pts
2015-16 Dundee Utd 7 pts Dundee Utd 5 pts
2016-17 Inverness C 3 pts Inverness C 1 pt
2017-18 Ross County 3 pts Ross County 4 pts
2018-19 St Mirren 1 pt Dundee 11 pts
2019-20 Hearts 4 pts

[Eyrie]

We will never know if Hearts could have closed the four-point gap to save themselves from automatic relegation, but does history help?

The table below shows the team in the relegation spot with eight games to play and the final outcome at the end of the season. With only one exception in each case the team at the bottom of the league with eight games left took the drop. The exception was St Mirren in 2019 who were a point behind eventually relegated Dundee. Doesn't look good, Jambos.



2009-10 Falkirk 4 pts Falkirk goal difference
2010-11 Hamilton A 6 pts Hamilton A 7 pts
2011-12 Dunfermline 4 pts Dunfermline 8 pts
2012-13 Dundee 14 pts Dundee 11 pts
2013-14 Hearts 22 pts Hearts 12 pts
2014-15 St Mirren 4 pts St Mirren 6 pts
2015-16 Dundee Utd 7 pts Dundee Utd 5 pts
2016-17 Inverness C 3 pts Inverness C 1 pt
2017-18 Ross County 3 pts Ross County 4 pts
2018-19 St Mirren 1 pt Dundee 11 pts
2019-20 Hearts 4 pts
Excellent research.

[Carheenlea]

ICT’s turn today for releasing a long winded statement of seethe. Well done to anyone who can keep their interest up to read the whole thing.

The problem with Scottish football is the standard of individuals at the helm of some of our senior clubs rather than the governing bodies.

[tamig]

Fantastic statement from Nairn County. The community should be proud of them.

[Waxy]

ICT’s turn today for releasing a long winded statement of seethe. Well done to anyone who can keep their interest up to read the whole thing.

The problem with Scottish football is the standard of individuals at the helm of some of our senior clubs rather than the governing bodies.

Can we get like buttons on this site please?

[Aldo]

Fantastic statement from Nairn County. The community should be proud of them.

I quite like the bit about the ‘rainy day’ then all players will be paid in full and our dues will be fulfilled.

This is what it is to live within your means.

Please take note Mrs Budge


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[Nakedmanoncrack]

ICT’s turn today for releasing a long winded statement of seethe. Well done to anyone who can keep their interest up to read the whole thing.

The problem with Scottish football is the standard of individuals at the helm of some of our senior clubs rather than the governing bodies.

Just tried to read it (posted triumphantly on Facebook by a Sevconian friend) - but gave up before the end.

[Billy Whizz]

ICT’s turn today for releasing a long winded statement of seethe. Well done to anyone who can keep their interest up to read the whole thing.

The problem with Scottish football is the standard of individuals at the helm of some of our senior clubs rather than the governing bodies.

I haven’t read it yet, but they are one of the teams who will be hit hardest by the current situation
Massive losses, and were probably hoping for reconstruction, to help them out
A 14 team top league, would have meant riches to Caley

[truehibernian]

ICT’s turn today for releasing a long winded statement of seethe. Well done to anyone who can keep their interest up to read the whole thing.

The problem with Scottish football is the standard of individuals at the helm of some of our senior clubs rather than the governing bodies.

That'll be the ICT who are a £1 million in debt and toiling in normal trading conditions before Covid-19 as well :agree: The Rangers over £11 million in debt.....Hearts relying on generous £1 million pound donations.........Partick Thistle who were propped up by a Euromillions winner before he pulled out........Falkirk who wound down their youth academy and had a multi-million investment collapse in 2019........and has anyone mentioned Kelty throwing money at management and players to get sporting success :cb pretty sure their incomings wouldn't match outgoings :cb and folk like English spout about sporting integrity........how about living within your means eh :aok:

The clubs who are bleating are clubs who were (and now are) in trouble financially before this awful pandemic.

[weecounty hibby]

So just to avoid doubt all the moaners are only interested in the greater good. So the teams that are 2nd, 12th, 2nd, 10th, 2nd, 10th are the ones complaining? It's like they may have something to gain by trying to get reconstruction. Also we have Huns, hearts, ex Hun and hearts employees making most noise! **** off and admit that you are in those positions due to mismanagement by your clubs

[Billy Whizz]

That'll be the ICT who are a £1 million in debt and toiling in normal trading conditions before Covid-19 as well :agree: The Rangers over £11 million in debt.....Hearts relying on generous £1 million pound donations.........Partick Thistle who were propped up by a Euromillions winner before he pulled out........Falkirk who wound down their youth academy and had a multi-million investment collapse in 2019........and has anyone mentioned Kelty throwing money at management and players to get sporting success :cb pretty sure their incomings wouldn't match outgoings :cb and folk like English spout about sporting integrity........how about living within your means eh :aok:

The clubs who are bleating are clubs who were (and now are) in trouble financially before this awful pandemic.

Well said, coming back to haunt the.

[Iain G]

That'll be the ICT who are a £1 million in debt and toiling in normal trading conditions before Covid-19 as well :agree: The Rangers over £11 million in debt.....Hearts relying on generous £1 million pound donations.........Partick Thistle who were propped up by a Euromillions winner before he pulled out........Falkirk who wound down their youth academy and had a multi-million investment collapse in 2019........and has anyone mentioned Kelty throwing money at management and players to get sporting success :cb pretty sure their incomings wouldn't match outgoings :cb and folk like English spout about sporting integrity........how about living within your means eh :aok:

The clubs who are bleating are clubs who were (and now are) in trouble financially before this awful pandemic.

Its the same as retailers and other companies who are living hand to mouth and accumulating debt they can only service with a certain level of income. Now the income isn't there its panic at the disco!

Perhaps better run, more prudent and financially astute management would mean they wouldn't be in such a mess? But no it's the fault of everyone else Lee but not their mismanagement. Its all a smokescreen and exercise in deflection.

[Ozyhibby]

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Sounds like it’s the Premiership clubs fault then

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They sound like a bunch of petulant tits.

[truehibernian]

Its the same as retailers and other companies who are living hand to mouth and accumulating debt they can only service with a certain level of income. Now the income isn't there its panic at the disco!

Perhaps better run, more prudent and financially astute management would mean they wouldn't be in such a mess? But no it's the fault of everyone else Lee but not their mismanagement. Its all a smokescreen and exercise in deflection.

Don't Iain, you'll have me on my soapbox about billionaires like Branson wanting government bail outs while he Zooms on his tropical island :rolleyes::fuming:

Like you say, every industry sector is struggling and this was/is an unprecedented situation we all find ourselves in.

[Heisenberg]

Scot Gardiner is ridiculous. It’s amazing that Inverness supposedly had all this information about bullying but haven’t made a formal complaint and are only now going to do something about it because they didn’t get their own way with reconstruction. It’s a small number of clubs making a lot of noise against the rest. They won’t win.

[truehibernian]

Scot Gardiner is ridiculous. It’s amazing that Inverness supposedly had all this information about bullying but haven’t made a formal complaint and are only now going to do something about it because they didn’t get their own way with reconstruction. It’s a small number of clubs making a lot of noise against the rest. They won’t win.

You forgot incompetent - look at his track record at Dundee, Hearts and now Inverness - there's a common theme :aok:

Oh and ask Rab Douglas about how he handled John Brown's alleged bullying :cb..........the lifelong Rangers fan Gardiner was apparently 'missing in action' I believe when Rab wanted action taken.

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So the Board setting out the conditions under which they’d accept certain things, such as talks on reconstruction only if the resolution was passed is bullying??

[007]

They sound like a bunch of petulant tits.

Yeah, supposedly professional business people. Doesn't seem like any bullying going on. Great contribution to the chat by Jacqui Low though.

[James Stephen]

Yeah, supposedly professional business people. Doesn't seem like any bullying going on. Great contribution to the chat by Jacqui Low though.

Jacqui Lowe actually owns and runs a fairly well known Edinburgh PR firm (Indigo PR, based in Leith funnily enough) so she knows all about playing the media game.

[truehibernian]

So the Board setting out the conditions under which they’d accept certain things, such as talks on reconstruction only if the resolution was passed is bullying??

They've certainly not been in any of their clubs home dressing rooms at half time / full time if they think that's the definition of bullying :faf:

I thought Budge's statement yesterday propelled them to the top of the Slavers League but ICT have won the top of the table clash this weekend..........utter nonsense from start to finish :aok:

[steviehibsleith]

Jesus no wonder Doncaster ignored it .
I bet if the SPFL asked for the entire WhatsApp history it would be even more pathetic.
Les Gray getting bullied but states I’ll play poker with alleged bully Mike Mulraney
Jackie Lowe with crying with laughter emojis
Then Eric Drysdsle satying known him 15 years we see right through him


Absolutely pathetic and ICT have a statement about bullying I sincerely hope that transcript Ozzy posted isn’t all they have. Well actually I do.

[Peevemor]

Jacqui Lowe actually owns and runs a fairly well known Edinburgh PR firm (Indigo PR, based in Leith funnily enough) so she knows all about playing the media game.She comes across as an old schemie trout.

[mjhibby]

Per Richard Gordon the cabal 6 are:

St Mirren
St Johnstone
Ross County
Hibs
Aberdeen
Dundee United

The 6 said they were open minded to looking at reconstruction in the future.

There were 9 others open minded to reconstruction but could forsee obstacles ahead.

Others were split on temporary versus permanent reconstruction, so not just the cabal 6 that brought it down.

Nowhere have hibs said how they intended to vote. Also it failed because there was never a chance of enough clubs voting for any one proposal to pass. To say these clubs and particularly hibs sent hertz down is being totally detached from what actually happened. They even say in the article Leeann hadn’t needed to say anything. The standard of sensationalism in the last five or six weeks have been shocking with articles with either no substance or pure speculation being treated as fact. The only fact was that reconstruction was never going to happen and the clubs had their chance and decided against it. No conpiracy, just clubs looking after er their own situation. Nothing to do with Doncaster, the sfa or any other convenient scapegoat. The democratic wish of the clubs has been fulfilled. Girfuy.

[we are hibs]

Nice wee clique forming there bullying the alloa chairman. Those messages come across more as bullying than what was being suggested was..

[truehibernian]

Nice wee clique forming there bullying the alloa chairman. Those messages come across more as bullying than what was being suggested was..

Pretty sure MM won't give a tuppeny toss what they're saying :greengrin don't think Dunfermline will be on their Christmas card list mind :cb:greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Nice wee clique forming there bullying the alloa chairman. Those messages come across more as bullying than what was being suggested was..

Mike Mulraney has more experience in his wee pinky, than the rest of them together

[mjhibby]

https://twitter.com/brorarangers/status/1259426031120846854?s=21

I understand why Brora and Kelty are unhappy that reconstruction won’t happen just now but are they not in the same position as the likes of Ayr/Inverness etc in that they still had playoffs to get through?*Promotion wasn’t a guarantee yet they are going on like it was and they’ve been massively wronged.*

This really bugs me. Only one of Brora and Kelty would have met Brechin. And even then they would have to beat Brechin. It’s the same with hertz expecting to automatically avoid relegation. As if there is a massive injustice. Farcical. Only thistle can genuinely say they have been unfortunate as they had a game in hand. Forgot to mention Bonnyrigg who could have caught Kelty.

[The 90+2]

This really bugs me. Only one of Brora and Kelty would have met Brechin. And even then they would have to beat Brechin. It’s the same with hertz expecting to automatically avoid relegation. As if there is a massive injustice. Farcical. Only thistle can genuinely say they have been unfortunate as they had a game in hand.

It’s even more annoying when you realise that the highland and lowland blocked promotion to their leagues as it involves playoffs.

[JimBHibees]

Jacqui Lowe actually owns and runs a fairly well known Edinburgh PR firm (Indigo PR, based in Leith funnily enough) so she knows all about playing the media game.

Which club is Lowe involved in?

[Lago]

That'll be the ICT who are a £1 million in debt and toiling in normal trading conditions before Covid-19 as well :agree: The Rangers over £11 million in debt.....Hearts relying on generous £1 million pound donations.........Partick Thistle who were propped up by a Euromillions winner before he pulled out........Falkirk who wound down their youth academy and had a multi-million investment collapse in 2019........and has anyone mentioned Kelty throwing money at management and players to get sporting success :cb pretty sure their incomings wouldn't match outgoings :cb and folk like English spout about sporting integrity........how about living within your means eh :aok:

The clubs who are bleating are clubs who were (and now are) in trouble financially before this awful pandemic.
Reading your post brought one thing to mind, Scottish football is heading down the pan & what will be left if & when football is played again, who knows.

[offshorehibby]

Which club is Lowe involved in?

Is she not the chairperson of Partick

[stantonhibby]

Which club is Lowe involved in?

Partick Thistle

[ronaldo7]

Sounds like it’s the Premiership clubs fault then

If only the second division clubs hadn't come out and said they'd only vote for a 14-14-14 set up some weeks ago. :wink:

Bully boys.

[PatHead]

Scot Gardiner is ridiculous. It’s amazing that Inverness supposedly had all this information about bullying but haven’t made a formal complaint and are only now going to do something about it because they didn’t get their own way with reconstruction. It’s a small number of clubs making a lot of noise against the rest. They won’t win.
Wish he would just eff off and order some seats.

[NC1875]

This Scot gardiner Is a complete tit is he not ? Any coincidence he’s worked for Hearts/Rangers/Inverness and they make up the majority of the clubs moaning about nothing!

[Carheenlea]

This Scot gardiner Is a complete tit is he not ? Any coincidence he’s worked for Hearts/Rangers/Inverness and they make up the majority of the clubs moaning about nothing!

He’s the archetypal character you associate with such clubs - a perfect fit.

[007]

Don't know why they're squealing so much. If they'd got their 14-14-14 they'd be 2 leagues above the bottom league. In the Championship they'll be 2 leagues above the bottom league.

Pretty much the same as what some Jambos were saying about Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Cove Rangers still being 2 leagues below the top league.

[The 90+2]

This Scot gardiner Is a complete tit is he not ? Any coincidence he’s worked for Hearts/Rangers/Inverness and they make up the majority of the clubs moaning about nothing!

Inverness are going to be severely hammered for this if it’s just Gardiner making up *****. They must surely have cast iron evidence.

[Iain G]

Reading your post brought one thing to mind, Scottish football is heading down the pan & what will be left if & when football is played again, who knows.

Would it be such a bad thing for Scottish football if some of these horrid rotten old fashioned institutions actually do collapse? Maybe genuine reconstruction and modernisation isnt far away?

[007]

Inverness are going to be severely hammered for this if it’s just Gardiner making up *****. They must surely have cast iron evidence.

I'd imagine they've got a dossier full.

[The 90+2]

I'd imagine they've got a dossier full.

I’m surprised they didn’t pass it to their hun pals to use in the dossier. Tuesday is vote day, they don’t produce anything by then they will get done after for bringing the league into disrepute.

[hibbyfraelibby]

This Scot gardiner Is a complete tit is he not ? Any coincidence he’s worked for Hearts/Rangers/Inverness and they make up the majority of the clubs moaning about nothing!

You forget Dundee. All roads to ruin lead to him.

[Ozyhibby]

Inverness are going to be severely hammered for this if it’s just Gardiner making up *****. They must surely have cast iron evidence.

No they won’t. Nobody gets hammered for anything anymore in Scottish football. You can say what you like with zero repercussions.


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[jacomo]

Lots of bitterness across Scottish football:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52597898

Gary Deans frae Falkirk has some front. His club is a self-confessed basket case.

More to the point, the task force failed to agree on and present a clear proposal for change. Perhaps he should reflect on that?

[Waxy]

Even Partick calling premier clubs selfish? Exactly what Partick are but worse trying to get away with finishing bottom.
Also they could have put forward a 12-12-10-10 which the SPFL might have gone for.
Too late now though.

[green day]

You forget Dundee. All roads to ruin lead to him.

Dundee fans have no love of him either, they reckon he screwed up their commercial side badly.

They do think its amusing, though, that John Nelms has played him for a complete chump.

Gardiner is another in a line of "there are allegations, serious allegations" types trotted out but who seem unwilling to back any of it up.

Most importantly, If all the other clubs believe this stuff, then the vote will pass tomorrow.

[weecounty hibby]

Even Partick calling premier clubs selfish? Exactly what Partick are but worse trying to get away with finishing bottom.
Also they could have put forward a 12-12-10-10 which the SPFL might have gone for.
Too late now though.
12-12-10-10 was never ever going to be a proposal because it didn't save the tarts. This while thing has been about them trying to save their slimey skins

[PatHead]

12-12-10-10 was never ever going to be a proposal because it didn't save the tarts. This while thing has been about them trying to save their slimey skins

Sorry did you not hear Queen DrAnn Budge. She was doing it for the good of Scottish football. If that was the best reconstruction she would have pushed for it.


Not

[bringbackbenny]

12-12-10-10 was never ever going to be a proposal because it didn't save the tarts. This while thing has been about them trying to save their slimey skins

exactly what I was going to say - if proposed by other members of the taskforce Budge would vetoed immediately, self interest perhaps ?! hypocrites the lot of them.

[Wakeyhibee]

Even Partick calling premier clubs selfish? Exactly what Partick are but worse trying to get away with finishing bottom.
Also they could have put forward a 12-12-10-10 which the SPFL might have gone for.
Too late now though.

I can understand Partick's frustration. Their game in hand could've saved them. I dont know if the game was missed for the cup or postponed.

Hearts is well deserved :greengrin

[Waxy]

I can understand Partick's frustration. Their game in hand could've saved them. I dont know if the game was missed for the cup or postponed.

Hearts is well deserved :greengrin

We’ve had our own frustrating relegation not so long ago.
The dodgy linesman at tynecastle ruling out a goal that was two yards onside.
Did we release a statement?

[jacomo]

With all the leaked WhatsApp messages and dossiers, I am really hoping that someone recorded Budge’s pitch to her fellow chairmen and releases it.

Maybe we will have to wait for the documentary.

[jacomo]

Impressively bitter rant from Partick Thistle too:

https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-on-reconstruction-and-relegation/

Again... they had three weeks to come up with a reconstruction proposal and they failed. Always someone else’s fault.

[04Sauzee]

Partick Thistle release a statement saying they will be voting for an Independent enquiry.

[bringbackbenny]

Impressively bitter rant from Partick Thistle too:

https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-on-reconstruction-and-relegation/

Again... they had three weeks to come up with a reconstruction proposal and they failed. Always someone else’s fault.

That reads like a dose of the verbal Budge's 🤮

[weecounty hibby]

Why do all these ****wits at these clubs have to release a statement telling everyone how they will vote. Just ****ing vote and get on with it. The moaning *******s are the ones with the most to gain. Hearts and PTFC have been total dug***** all season. PTFC are actually below 2 part time teams. But but but it's not about self interest, honestly!! I would have more respect if they just admitted that they voted in the best interests of their own clubs instead of this continual bull**** about the greater good

[heid the baw]

The whole reconstruction thing is farcical. 14 team league playing 26 then split for 12 would mean season over for 7 teams in February. Who in their right mind would vote for that.
If Budge was serious about saving her club she should have proposed no relegation/ promotion on the basis of fairness whilst generously compensating Dundee United financially for loss of income. The SPFL would have no parachute payments, so a massively enhanced "parachute" style payment to United may have gone some way to softening the blow.

[Andy74]

Impressively bitter rant from Partick Thistle too:

https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/board-update-on-reconstruction-and-relegation/

Again... they had three weeks to come up with a reconstruction proposal and they failed. Always someone else’s fault.

They agreed the season had to end and they must have known reconstruction was just a suggestion that was always going to be difficult to get agreement on.

Relegation happens every year, a few seem to have been looking to take advantage of the current situation to get out of it. It hasn’t worked and they now need to get on and accept it.

[Waxy]

Why do all these ****wits at these clubs have to release a statement telling everyone how they will vote. Just ****ing vote and get on with it. The moaning *******s are the ones with the most to gain. Hearts and PTFC have been total dug***** all season. PTFC are actually below 2 part time teams. But but but it's not about self interest, honestly!! I would have more respect if they just admitted that they voted in the best interests of their own clubs instead of this continual bull**** about the greater goodThat Partick statement was out at the weekend.Sympathy has gone for them.

[Peevemor]

Why do all these ****wits at these clubs have to release a statement telling everyone how they will vote. Just ****ing vote and get on with it. The moaning *******s are the ones with the most to gain. Hearts and PTFC have been total dug***** all season. PTFC are actually below 2 part time teams. But but but it's not about self interest, honestly!! I would have more respect if they just admitted that they voted in the best interests of their own clubs instead of this continual bull**** about the greater goodYep, I'm thoroughly fed up with it too.

It's like if someone asks you for a sub, you say (in all honesty) that you can't because things are tight, then the person runs about telling everyone how selfish you are.

Just f*** off!

[FilipinoHibs]

Yep, I'm thoroughly fed up with it too.

It's like if someone asks you for a sub, you say (in all honesty) that you can't because things are tight, then the person runs about telling everyone how selfish you are.

Just f*** off!

Think the rest of Scottish football are fed up if this cry baby gang. They were good enough to stay up or they were not good enough to win their respective leagues.

[Heisenberg]

Glad someone is going to finally stand up to their bull****

https://twitter.com/mcgowan_stephen/status/1259800449303093248?s=21

[Jim44]

Why do all these ****wits at these clubs have to release a statement telling everyone how they will vote. Just ****ing vote and get on with it. The moaning *******s are the ones with the most to gain. Hearts and PTFC have been total dug***** all season. PTFC are actually below 2 part time teams. But but but it's not about self interest, honestly!! I would have more respect if they just admitted that they voted in the best interests of their own clubs instead of this continual bull**** about the greater good

I think the clubs which are loud and vocal do so in the hope they will convert others to their cause. The vast majority of clubs have nothing to say because, well, there’s nothing really to say ....... they’re trying to do the best they can in dire and difficult times. Mind you, the supporters of some of these conforming clubs, like us, are having a field day, laughing at and ridiculing the ‘squealing pigs’.

[jacomo]

I can understand Partick's frustration. Their game in hand could've saved them. I dont know if the game was missed for the cup or postponed.

Hearts is well deserved :greengrin


Yeah it could have done but - as with Hearts - their form suggested they were the worst team in their Division. Give them their average points-per-game for that match and they are still 10th.

[Brunswickbill]

Ross McArthur of Dunfermline FC statement. Rubbishing the WhatsApp bullying claim.
https://www.dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman%60s_Statement_&ID=11909

[WhileTheChief..]

Ach, it’s time for us to start climbing the statement league table.

I don’t want level heads writing it either.

I want LD to have a stab at answering back to all these statements after a good drink. No inhibitions, just go for it.

[Iain G]

Ross McArthur of Dunfermline FC statement. Rubbishing the WhatsApp bullying claim.
https://www.dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman%60s_Statement_&ID=11909

That was very clear and grown up and sensible.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Alex Rae on radio Clyde, full time hun.

Hilarious calls 😂

[Keith_M]

Ach, it’s time for us to start climbing the statement league table.

I don’t want level heads writing it either.

I want LD to have a stab at answering back to all these statements after a good drink. No inhibitions, just go for it.


She should do a video podcast at 3AM, after a night on the Tequila.


"See they folk aw moanin. See they Rangurs 'n Hearts 'n that. Di ye no jist wish they wid shut it?

Ah mean, come oan, folks, let it go, wull ye!

Ye nivur hear us aw moany faced 'n that, whingin oan aboot stuff,

Seriously, like.. gonnae jist gies peace, man..

An another hing...aw, hang oan... sorry, Ah'l need to run tae the lavvy, ah'm pure gonnae puke up, like....."

[Iain G]

Alex Rae on radio Clyde, full time hun.

Hilarious calls 😂

I dread to think! Why do they continue to drag these illiterate knuckle dragging Sevco appologists onto the BBC?

[Purple & Green]

It’s even more annoying when you realise that the highland and lowland blocked promotion to their leagues as it involves playoffs.

They haven't. Not true.

Bo'ness will be promoted to lowland league, and there will no relegation from lowland league. The lowland league will be enlarged.

There is presently no league below the highland league.

[Purple & Green]

This really bugs me. Only one of Brora and Kelty would have met Brechin. And even then they would have to beat Brechin. It’s the same with hertz expecting to automatically avoid relegation. As if there is a massive injustice. Farcical. Only thistle can genuinely say they have been unfortunate as they had a game in hand. Forgot to mention Bonnyrigg who could have caught Kelty.

It's not the same.

The playoff between club 42 v LL v HL is an SFA competition.

The spfl is in control of the playoffs in the top 4 leagues.

The only way to change the playoff at tier 4/5 is with the agreement of all parties - ie SPFL, LL, HL and SFA

The SPFL have decided without discussion that they will not be providing a team for the playoff. The Brechin Chairman is on the SPFL board. Their reasoning is that all games weren't completed.

Brora and Kelty have intimated that they agree that it is impractical to play the playoff at this time. They have offered an alternative of playing the playoff before the start of next season.

The spfl have threatened to remove LL and HL clubs from SPFL competitions, if they do not acquiesce to removing the playoff and moving the lowland league / highland league boundary.

Looking at the rules, the lowland/highland league teams have an extremely good case.

Regards, Bonnyrigg - yes it is unfair on them, and I know how strongly they feel about it. But, both leagues made a decision to call their leagues to protect the positions of the league "leaders", and to protect the position of the leagues themselves.

[Waxy]

12-12-10-10 was never ever going to be a proposal because it didn't save the tarts. This while thing has been about them trying to save their slimey skins

Well thankfully it’s not on.It never was anyway.

[JimBHibees]

I dread to think! Why do they continue to drag these illiterate knuckle dragging Sevco appologists onto the BBC?

Think that was Radio Clyde not BBC. In saying that BBC is full of them from Dodds to Ferguson to Thompson and wonderfully chick young has made a return. Absolute jobs for the boys.

[04Sauzee]

St Johnstone have their say on reconstruction

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/post/club-statement-league-reconstruction

[Paul1642]

St Johnstone have their say on reconstruction

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/post/club-statement-league-reconstruction

Basically saying that they have always wanted reconstruction but no one has really discussed it until now, that they viewed the 11-1 vote requirement as an issue and were disappointed when it failed to get removed (Aberdeen’s fault!), and that they still want re construction but not to be rushed through without proper planning, mainly regarding where we stand with the T.V deal.

As short and sensible statement which is hard to disagree with really.

[RossScott1991]

Have Hearts been relegated yet..

[PatHead]

St Johnstone have their say on reconstruction

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/post/club-statement-league-reconstruction

Good balanced statement.

[Hibeesmad]

IF Hearts get promoted back to the Premiership at first time of asking do you think they will be for reconstruction?

[Waxy]

IF Hearts get promoted back to the Premiership at first time of asking do you think they will be for reconstruction?

Who knows. Dont think it would be a bad thing to have reconstruction looked at properly by experts (which hearts are not).
We cant be far from our optimum set up.
The link between Lowland/Highland and the bottom of the fourth tier needs looked at.

[snedzuk]

St Johnstone have their say on reconstruction

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/post/club-statement-league-reconstruction

See they've got a game against Hamilton on Sunday 4th April 2021

[Tommy75]

IF Hearts get promoted back to the Premiership at first time of asking do you think they will be for reconstruction?

They will more than likely call for reconstruction when they miss out on promotion from the Championship. At that point, no doubt English will herald Budge as a long suffering advocate for reconstruction.

If Hearts finish 3rd in the Championship next season Hibs should put forward a motion to expand the Premiership to 14 teams.

[hibbyfraelibby]

IF Hearts get promoted back to the Premiership at first time of asking do you think they will be for reconstruction?

No promotion that year...Top10 Premier on cards😉

[Waxy]

Just get doon.

[Heisenberg]

It looks like it’s definitely being discussed again going by all the Budge lackeys from the BBC. Maybe a result of the meeting yesterday? There are definitely a few top flight clubs that support temporary reconstruction.

[green day]

It looks like it’s definitely being discussed again going by all the Budge lackeys from the BBC. Maybe a result of the meeting yesterday? There are definitely a few top flight clubs that support temporary reconstruction.

Who (outside Hearts) ?

And Why?

[Waxy]

It looks like it’s definitely being discussed again going by all the Budge lackeys from the BBC. Maybe a result of the meeting yesterday? There are definitely a few top flight clubs that support temporary reconstruction.

Temporary? Youd have to bring two teams up from the LL/HL just to send three teams back down again.
Hearts are vile.

[green day]

As a reminder - it needs 11 out of 12 Premiership clubs to vote it through, as well as 8 of 10 from the Championship and 15 from League's One and Two combined.

[Lee Marvin]

As a reminder - it needs 11 out of 12 Premiership clubs to vote it through, as well as 8 of 10 from the Championship and 15 from League's One and Two combined.

Listening to sportsound now. Still dont think itll get through.

[Heisenberg]

Who (outside Hearts) ?

And Why?

Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen. No idea why.

[Waxy]

Who (outside Hearts) ?

And Why?

Er nobody
And its probably just all made up.
Hibs wont vote in it and Hamilton St Mirren Ross county wont vote for it.
Just go doon.

[Marco G]

Listening to sportsound now. Still dont think itll get through.Sounds like when clubs all, incl hearts, voted to call the league on Friday, Celtic, Rangers and Abrrdeen said, ok Ann go along with it and you can have another shot at cobbling together a reconstruction plan, after you have bern relegated on Monday??

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[Heisenberg]

Sounds like when clubs all, incl hearts, voted to call the league on Friday, Celtic, Rangers and Abrrdeen said, ok Ann go along with it and you can have another shot at cobbling together a reconstruction plan, after you have bern relegated on Monday??

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Sounds like they just want to keep Budge busy. No other idea why she’s being allowed to go away herself and come up with something to basically save Hearts other than to get her out the way.

[Ronniekirk]

The vacuum remains as long as it’s not been formally called if it’s not been made clear to Hearts that it’s already a done deal and it’s just the timing of the announcement that’s holding it up ,they will clearly try anything they can to build momentum for another proposal to be discussed
They know they have until the 25 th so in my mind it’s not totally out the question they could ask for another meeting and vote if they have something which might get more backing
Nothing would surprise me in these unprecedented times
But it still smacks of desperation which is exactly what they are A Desperate Club Clinging to Hope and not wanting to face Thier fate


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[Steve20]

I’m surprised at the amount of people that really think they’ll be relegated.

Any of the other clubs down there were bottom and it wouldn’t still be getting discussed, but it’s clear they’re going to allow Hearts to stay up any way possible.

[Heisenberg]

I’m surprised at the amount of people that really think they’ll be relegated.

Any of the other clubs down there were bottom and it wouldn’t still be getting discussed, but it’s clear they’re going to allow Hearts to stay up any way possible.

How are they going to manage that? If reconstruction comes to a vote it needs 11-1 in the Premiership. Not happening.

[Marco G]

I’m surprised at the amount of people that really think they’ll be relegated.

Any of the other clubs down there were bottom and it wouldn’t still be getting discussed, but it’s clear they’re going to allow Hearts to stay up any way possible.Who is "they"?

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[Aldo]

Er nobody
And its probably just all made up.
Hibs wont vote in it and Hamilton St Mirren Ross county wont vote for it.
Just go doon.

Patience Waxy! You’ll give yourself a heart attack if you stress too much.

I do however agree they just need to get this fine!


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[007]

Ridiculous to bring it back up again. Format works better than the alternatives, why ruin it when we're in crisis and make the product inferior precisely when it needs to be the best it can be to maximise income?

Dave Cormack said that during a crisis isn't the time to be rushing into making changes like this. Now apparently Aberdeen are supporting it. Are the media going to make a big thing about him changing his mind and suggest dodgy goings on like they did when Dundee changed their mind on Good Friday?

[green day]

Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen. No idea why.

Yep, just saw that :greengrin

Michael Stewart saying "have it temporary for the time being, then if it works turn it permanent in two years".


That sounds silly - lets say you are a club that might be at the lower end of the Prem table, you are being asked to save Hearts then what?

In two years, you decide to make it permanent and one or more of those clubs is stuffed?


A temporary solution is simply not tenable to a significant number of the premiership and it cant succeed.

[Betty Boop]

What a shambles Scottish football is unbelievable.

[Lee Marvin]

Yep, just saw that :greengrin

Michael Stewart saying "have it temporary for the time being, then if it works turn it permanent in two years".


That sounds silly - lets say you are a club that might be at the lower end of the Prem table, you are being asked to save Hearts then what?

In two years, you decide to make it permanent and one or more of those clubs is stuffed?


A temporary solution is simply not tenable to a significant number of the premiership and it cant succeed.

Imagine hibs vote for this, then get relegated in 2 years time when 4 teams are relegated.. just imagine that!

Hibs cant and will not vote for this
.

[green day]

Imagine hibs vote for this, then get relegated in 2 years time when 4 teams are relegated.. just imagine that!

Hibs cant and will not vote for this
.

No, we wont.

Willie Miller just summed it up correctly - Instead of a couple of teams being in danger of relegation, in 2 years you might have 4.

Also, a stronger Hearts still in the league and a resurgent Dundee Utd. Why would Killie, St M, Hamilton, St Johnstone, Livi vote for this regardless if Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen are willing to hear a proposal.

This is what WM just said and I agree entirely with him.

[Aldo]

So we have a democratic vote and it’s a naw! We then hear that it maybe back in the table??

They still need 11 votes to push this through.
Cannot see this happening.

League and positions will be called next week.


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[A Hi-Bee]

What a shambles Scottish football is unbelievable.

mickey ****ing mouse
**** the hertz

[Spike Mandela]

So we have a democratic vote and it’s a naw! We then hear that it maybe back in the table??

They still need 11 votes to push this through.
Cannot see this happening.

League and positions will be called next week.


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If it’s 14-14-14 they only need 9 to vote for it. By the sounds of it that is what they are being encouraged to go for.

[Aldo]

If it’s 14-14-14 they only need 9 to vote for it. By the sounds of it that is what they are being encouraged to go for.

Ah right cheers for that Spike.

Once again an utter shambles and a total crock of *****! We are a bloody laughing stock.

All because of 3 teams!


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[Real Emerald]

We’ve sold over 7,000 season tickets, not for a ludicrous 14 team league with a 6 and 8 team split with 14 meaningless games in the bottom half. It is no way value for money and season tickets would plummet.

[Waxy]

hearts seem unbelievably desperate here.
Youd think they were about to go bust.

[007]

Yep, just saw that :greengrin

Michael Stewart saying "have it temporary for the time being, then if it works turn it permanent in two years".


That sounds silly - lets say you are a club that might be at the lower end of the Prem table, you are being asked to save Hearts then what?

In two years, you decide to make it permanent and one or more of those clubs is stuffed?


A temporary solution is simply not tenable to a significant number of the premiership and it cant succeed.

Hearts would probably tell other teams one thing now then shaft them by voting against making it permanent in 2 years time. The way the the sleekit bassas were sneakily conspiring with Inverness and Rangers to get null and void, they're not to be trusted that's for sure.

[Brunswickbill]

I think what they are missing is that the SPFL. committed to consulting on league reconstruction as part of the resolution that agreed to the leagues being called. The SPFL will therefore have to formally consider what the reconstruction group come up with. The meeting last week that rejected reconstruction was a meeting of Premiership clubs, not the SPFL. The SPFL Board will have to to formally consider reconstruction at their next board meeting. Given that we know what the Premiership clubs views are and that 11 out of 12 clubs have to vote for an extension of the Premiership, it would Be highly unlikely that reconstruction of the Premiership will be approved.

[chippy]

If it’s 14-14-14 they only need 9 to vote for it. By the sounds of it that is what they are being encouraged to go for.

The elephant in the room here is the new Sky deal. Don’t you think Sky would like at least 2 Edinburgh derbies, possibly 4? Old firm games, Edinburgh derbies and Edinburgh clubs vs old firm, Aberdeen and Dundee United would get the big TV audiences particularly if it’s all/ mostly behind closed doors. Plenty new subscribers to Sky and I think they would want the maroon pound in this respect. You could add another 10-20k subscribers for an Edinburgh derby

[greenpaper55]

Unbelievable

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52691997

[Glory Lurker]

The elephant in the room here is the new Sky deal. Don’t you think Sky would like at least 2 Edinburgh derbies, possibly 4? Old firm games, Edinburgh derbies and Edinburgh clubs vs old firm, Aberdeen and Dundee United would get the big TV audiences particularly if it’s all/ mostly behind closed doors. Plenty new subscribers to Sky and I think they would want the maroon pound in this respect. You could add another 10-20k subscribers for an Edinburgh derby

That's quite a persuasive argument. Stop it.

[Waxy]

The elephant in the room here is the new Sky deal. Don’t you think Sky would like at least 2 Edinburgh derbies, possibly 4? Old firm games, Edinburgh derbies and Edinburgh clubs vs old firm, Aberdeen and Dundee United would get the big TV audiences particularly if it’s all/ mostly behind closed doors. Plenty new subscribers to Sky and I think they would want the maroon pound in this respect. You could add another 10-20k subscribers for an Edinburgh derby
Money above sporting integrity? I’m out.

[Irish_Steve]

Just had a look on Brokeback and they seem very wary of any reconstruction talks, they seem to think that Queen Ann said yesterday that if you relegate us, we are taking you to court.

Quite a lot of them want to be relegated so they can go down the legal route - they have more faces than the town clock!

[Spike Mandela]

The elephant in the room here is the new Sky deal. Don’t you think Sky would like at least 2 Edinburgh derbies, possibly 4? Old firm games, Edinburgh derbies and Edinburgh clubs vs old firm, Aberdeen and Dundee United would get the big TV audiences particularly if it’s all/ mostly behind closed doors. Plenty new subscribers to Sky and I think they would want the maroon pound in this respect. You could add another 10-20k subscribers for an Edinburgh derby

They’re guaranteed 3 at the moment but are only guaranteed 2 in reconstruction proposal. Not sure they would alter that due to one season of not having any.

In any case I think they are only interested in 4 Celtic Rangers games which aren’t at risk under any proposal.

[we are hibs]

The elephant in the room here is the new Sky deal. Don’t you think Sky would like at least 2 Edinburgh derbies, possibly 4? Old firm games, Edinburgh derbies and Edinburgh clubs vs old firm, Aberdeen and Dundee United would get the big TV audiences particularly if it’s all/ mostly behind closed doors. Plenty new subscribers to Sky and I think they would want the maroon pound in this respect. You could add another 10-20k subscribers for an Edinburgh derby

Sky dont care about any other game other than the 4 celtic v rangers.

[H18 SFR]

Is the renewed reconstruction chat real or BBC listener grabbing?

[The 90+2]

Is the renewed reconstruction chat real or BBC listener grabbing?

They’ve probably realised hearts are going to take them to court if it doesn’t happen and the clubs will be billed if they win.

[Real Emerald]

Sky dont care about any other game other than the 4 celtic v rangers.

They would probably take the opportunity to renegotiate the deal as the format has changed. It wouldn’t be to increase the money either.

[The Harp Awakes]

hearts seem unbelievably desperate here.
Youd think they were about to go bust.

I suspect that is the narrative Hearts are running with, in an attempt to pursuade clubs to back temporary reconstruction and save them from bankruptcy.

Sounds ominous that Rangers, Celtic and Aberdeen are encouraging Budge to come up with a proposal. Will need Hibs and 3 other clubs to reject/abstain and defeat it.

[Onion]

I’m surprised at the amount of people that really think they’ll be relegated.

Any of the other clubs down there were bottom and it wouldn’t still be getting discussed, but it’s clear they’re going to allow Hearts to stay up any way possible.

Hibs have already agreed to write off £125k to call the Prem early. If temp reconstruction goes through, Hibs will potentially lose even more money though the renegotiation and wider distribution of TV revenues. .

As a 2020/21 season ticket holder, I'll be pretty pissed off if my commitment to the club gives Hibs the financial flexibility to write off more money just to save Hearts !

The SPFL and clubs are making a frigging horlicks of this whole saga. Get is over with already.

[Billy Whizz]

Is the renewed reconstruction chat real or BBC listener grabbing?

Had a look at Scottish Sun and DR websites. Nothing on The Sun, but Record reporting the BBC story

You have to remember that the BBC are filming a documentary inside Hearts
They must be feeding them stories

[cabbageandribs1875]

NOW i really think scottish football must look a laughing stock, and it's mostly to do with saving embarrassment for one stinking debt-ridden club


will budge finally be happy if a top league club goes bust

Call it, call it now FFS

[Garymcl]

Can someone tell me what season was it they escaped going down through admin and let other team Dundee ? get relegated and then about 2 weeks later went into admin

[green day]

Can someone tell me what season was it they escaped going down through admin and let other team Dundee ? get relegated and then about 2 weeks later went into admin

Which is why - I hope - clubs dont trust that "if temporary works we might move to permanent".

This is simply about saving Hearts - and any club that votes for it might just end up being one of 4 that get relegated in 2 years !!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Can someone tell me what season was it they escaped going down through admin and let other team Dundee ? get relegated and then about 2 weeks later went into admin


2013-14

i think

[Waxy]

Can someone tell me what season was it they escaped going down through admin and let other team Dundee ? get relegated and then about 2 weeks later went into admin

Yes they held off going into admin until Dundee were officially relegated 2013

[SMAXXA]

I’ve said it all along I still think Hearts will avoid the drop some how, they are lucky *******s and wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. I won’t actually be bothered that much as I would miss the derby it would be more their moron fans all high and mighty celebrating it like smart ***** as they will have got away with being ***** this season.

[Bostonhibby]

I’ve said it all along I still think Hearts will avoid the drop some how, they are lucky *******s and wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. I won’t actually be bothered that much as I would miss the derby it would be more their moron fans all high and mighty celebrating it like smart ***** as they will have got away with being ***** this season.I give up, they're being offered a 5 way style deal, hence the cloak and dagger stuff......

Most other clubs would have been gone by now, if this minority are allowed their way, or the healthy majority who have voted the way they so far are ignored or are part of the collusion the games up.

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[Cabbage East]

I’ve said it all along I still think Hearts will avoid the drop some how, they are lucky *******s and wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. I won’t actually be bothered that much as I would miss the derby it would be more their moron fans all high and mighty celebrating it like smart ***** as they will have got away with being ***** this season.

Yes, you keep saying it. Have a day off.

[04Sauzee]

I’ve said it all along I still think Hearts will avoid the drop some how, they are lucky *******s and wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. I won’t actually be bothered that much as I would miss the derby it would be more their moron fans all high and mighty celebrating it like smart ***** as they will have got away with being ***** this season.

Budge hasn't said anything since last Friday, there has to be a reason for that.

[Iggy Pope]

Budge hasn't said anything since last Friday, there has to be a reason for that.

Hopefully she listened to one of the many asking her to shut ****ing up.

[Bostonhibby]

Budge hasn't said anything since last Friday, there has to be a reason for that.Must be finding it hard to contain her delight?

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[Spike Mandela]

If Hearts are relegated on Monday then for any vote on reconstruction theirs would be in the Chsmpionship and Dundee Utd’s would be in the Premiership, yes?

[matty_f]

I think what they are missing is that the SPFL. committed to consulting on league reconstruction as part of the resolution that agreed to the leagues being called. The SPFL will therefore have to formally consider what the reconstruction group come up with. The meeting last week that rejected reconstruction was a meeting of Premiership clubs, not the SPFL. The SPFL Board will have to to formally consider reconstruction at their next board meeting. Given that we know what the Premiership clubs views are and that 11 out of 12 clubs have to vote for an extension of the Premiership, it would Be highly unlikely that reconstruction of the Premiership will be approved.
I think you're spot on.

No formal vote was taken on reconstruction as no proposals were put forward, as far as I know.

There's not going to be a load of difference between what was known at the time the reconstruction was dismissed to what will be known following formally presenting it.

It won't happen, imho.

[Bostonhibby]

If Hearts are relegated on Monday then for any vote on reconstruction theirs would be in the Chsmpionship and Dundee Utd’s would be in the Premiership, yes?You'd hope so, who'd want to pick up the baton and vote meaningfully in their place to somehow manufacture what they want?

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[we are hibs]

Dundee utd were against reconstruction in any form for next season. Hibs will probably be the same. Game over.

[Ozyhibby]

Sky dont care about any other game other than the 4 celtic v rangers.

That’s just not true.


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[Andy74]

I think you're spot on.

No formal vote was taken on reconstruction as no proposals were put forward, as far as I know.

There's not going to be a load of difference between what was known at the time the reconstruction was dismissed to what will be known following formally presenting it.

It won't happen, imho.

I don't think it will be formally presented. They know they don't have enough support and it is done. Don't think there was ever any requirement have a vote on it either at board or member level.

[we are hibs]

That’s just not true.


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I mean anyone who has watched Scottish football on sky will tell you it blatantly is. They give an hour build up to the celtic rangers games. Every other game gets a pishy 15 minute build up.

[Irish_Steve]

I mean anyone who has watched Scottish football on sky will tell you it blatantly is. They give an hour build up to the celtic rangers games. Every other game gets a pishy 15 minute build up.

And the topic always seems to get turned round to the Ugly Sisters when neither of them are playing

[Ozyhibby]

The only way I can see reconstruction happen is for Hearts and Inverness to take zero prize money next season. That allows the money for all the other teams to remain the same in all the divisions. If they offer to do that, they will still be better off than they would be in the championship. And Hearts would have at least paid a heavy price for their terrible season.
If they do that then I don’t mind if they reconstruct for one season.


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[EI255]

What part of hypocrite does Budge not understand? Her club cheated football and wormed their way to limited success under an empire of greed, cheating and self interest lasting two decades.

How can any self respecting football person take this club's "plight" seriously?

The more Budge refuses to go away the more I loathe her stinking outfit.

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[Ozyhibby]

I mean anyone who has watched Scottish football on sky will tell you it blatantly is. They give an hour build up to the celtic rangers games. Every other game gets a pishy 15 minute build up.

If that’s what the viewing public want then that’s what they will do. How many times has there been a Sky game on TV not involving the old firm and people on here have been saying I’m not watching that crap. Sky only reflect what football fans want to watch and it’s not just old firm fans who dictate that.


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[Col2]

KP

I know it goes without saying but will say it anyway. The fallout from our fans IF a temporary fudge that has zero benefit to Hibs (materially different to potentially a perm reconstruction) will rip right through all the goodwill the club have from the fans.

If we support Hearts getting out of jail without any impact - we will see our season tickets stall and they will get the biggest boost you can imagine. Like many fans I didn’t pay for a season ticket on day one on the basis of helping our biggest rivals who have been bottom after 80% of the season and I didn’t sign up to a fudged split that kicks in after 26 games. They are a little unlucky but they have been the worst team in the league by a mile.

I would demand a refund and wouldn’t pay a penny towards the club next season if the club support Hearts under theses circumstances.

[Spike Mandela]

The only way I can see reconstruction happen is for Hearts and Inverness to take zero prize money next season. That allows the money for all the other teams to remain the same in all the divisions. If they offer to do that, they will still be better off than they would be in the championship. And Hearts would have at least paid a heavy price for their terrible season.
If they do that then I don’t mind if they reconstruct for one season.


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They would still have to persuade several clubs that it would be worth increasing their own chances of relegation next year just to save Hearts this year. Would enough of them be gullible enough to fall for that?

[The 90+2]

Hearts to activate the relegation release **** next week to punt all their dross then reconstruction keeps them in the top league once they’ve punted the players.

[The 90+2]

They would still have to persuade several clubs that it would be worth increasing their own chances of relegation next year just to save Hearts this year. Would enough of them be gullible enough to fall for that?

Clubs that have been told they will lose a lot of money if hearts take it to court and win could possibly agree to this.

[mjhibby]

I think you're spot on.

No formal vote was taken on reconstruction as no proposals were put forward, as far as I know.

There's not going to be a load of difference between what was known at the time the reconstruction was dismissed to what will be known following formally presenting it.

It won't happen, imho.

Ironically I think the animosity that Inverness have caused will scupper it. Can only see four clubs voting for it in the championship. What will need to change to get the votes. The rancour will be turned up again. It’s like a terrible soap opera that’s far outlived it’s sell by date. Strange nothing in the papers this morning. Find it hard to believe no journalist knew of this. Sun and record only reporting bbc article. They are calling the leagues on Monday with Celtic champions and hertz relegated. The clubs will decide but can’t see it happening. Far more concerned when the **** we are getting back playing. It probably will be a curtailed season next season so can’t see reconstruction fitting into the new schedule.

[SHODAN]

Get this stupid temporary reconstruction pish to ****.

[Col2]

Imagine. Hearts the biggest morally bankrupt club in Scottish football and ICT whose CEO tried to hatch a Ranger and Hearts null and void plan. Not to mention they are distant 2nd and we’re never coming up.

[Aldo]

Clubs that have been told they will lose a lot of money if hearts take it to court and win could possibly agree to this.

So is Budge actually going to do this? Really if she does it’s pretty clear they care about only themselves and all her statements are pure and utter ***** (we knew this anyway)


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[Andy74]

Clubs that have been told they will lose a lot of money if hearts take it to court and win could possibly agree to this.

You don't half worry when anyone makes a noise.

I think you were convinced Rangers dossier was going to have something in it?

There is absolutely no chance of clubs agreeing to something because they believe Hearts could win in court. Total nonsense.

[The 90+2]

You don't half worry when anyone makes a noise.

I think you were convinced Rangers dossier was going to have something in it?

There is absolutely no chance of clubs agreeing to something because they believe Hearts could win in court. Total nonsense.

Didn’t say that once Andy but when it comes to they Kanutes then they get away with it.

Why wouldn’t they? If hearts win a court case the clubs will lose money. That’s a fact.

[Real Emerald]

So is Budge actually going to do this? Really if she does it’s pretty clear they care about only themselves and all her statements are pure and utter ***** (we knew this anyway)


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It looks like they are in serious financial trouble and have made it clear to the other clubs. I think they’re going to go pop and this is their final shot at it.

[Billy Whizz]

Didn’t say that once Andy but when it comes to they Kanutes then they get away with it.

And the court case could on for ages. Look at Rangers v Ashley
Sensible Hearts fans I presume would rather the money spend on the club, rather than something they may win or not
That would be my choice if this was Hibs

[The 90+2]

So is Budge actually going to do this? Really if she does it’s pretty clear they care about only themselves and all her statements are pure and utter ***** (we knew this anyway)


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The pressure is on big time by the fans and that wee weapon Deans to put in a legal challenge. If she doesn’t she will be finished at Gorgie Farm. If they have a case, which they may possibly have, the clubs will want to make sure it doesn’t go that way.

[JohnMcM]

Knowing that football club's history and us learning from it makes all this delay look planned by them to me.

They delayed declaring admin and shafted Dundee. They didn't have a written reconstruction proposal to put before clubs. Reconstruction once voted out is by all accounts back on the table for some undeclared reason. Not only is reconstruction back on the table, AB has apparently been given more time to produce a document about a temporary reconstruction that has already been dismissed.

Their history does not lie. It looks now as though they are successfully kicking the can down the road in the hope that another premier league club will go bust before them, throwing them a life belt.

If they are not relegated this coming Monday at the next SPFL meeting, I fear for the future of our football.

[theonlywayisup]

The only way that I can see this being re-surfaced is if the Old Firm and Aberdeen have said that they will accept a more even allocation of TV income, such that the money that 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the league get is reduced and redistributed so that the teams in 4th to 10th place don't lose out because of the addition of a 11th and 12th team. That and a larger relegation payment.

The question though is why would they save Hertz?

[theonlywayisup]

Knowing that football club's history and us learning from it makes all this delay look planned by them to me.

They delayed declaring admin and shafted Dundee. They didn't have a written reconstruction proposal to put before clubs. Reconstruction once voted out is by all accounts back on the table for some undeclared reason. Not only is reconstruction back on the table, AB has apparently been given more time to produce a document about a temporary reconstruction that has already been dismissed.

Their history does not lie. It looks now as though they are successfully kicking the can down the road in the hope that another premier league club will go bust before them, throwing them a life belt.

If they are not relegated this coming Monday at the next SPFL meeting, I fear for the future of our football.

Why?

[Aldo]

It looks like they are in serious financial trouble and have made it clear to the other clubs. I think they’re going to go pop and this is their final shot at it.

Definitely does and it’s all of her own making. Businesss acumen ma arse!

Clubs will hopefully see right through it all (I’m sure they will)


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[Spike Mandela]

The only way that I can see this being re-surfaced is if the Old Firm and Aberdeen have said that they will accept a more even allocation of TV income, such that the money that 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the league get is reduced and redistributed so that the teams in 4th to 10th place don't lose out because of the addition of a 11th and 12th team. That and a larger relegation payment.

The question though is why would they save Hertz?

Aberdeen were always open to temporary reconstruction according to their chairman.

[Aldo]

The pressure is on big time by the fans and that wee weapon Deans to put in a legal challenge. If she doesn’t she will be finished at Gorgie Farm. If they have a case, which they may possibly have, the clubs will want to make sure it doesn’t go that way.

They may yet they may not. If they are relying on a money launder, who sells houses for legal advice then dad on.

They are trying to put pressure on the SPFL to do what they want, not what’s in the best interests of the game and other clubs.

That’s what budge has wanted all along...... NOT


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[The 90+2]

And the court case could on for ages. Look at Rangers v Ashley
Sensible Hearts fans I presume would rather the money spend on the club, rather than something they may win or not
That would be my choice if this was Hibs

If it goes on for ages would it hold up the league if they get some sort of injunction? Again, it could be a reason the clubs will want reconstruction.
The hearts foundation are backing legal action too which means they will pay for it

[The 90+2]

They may yet they may not. If they are relying on a money launder, who sells houses for legal advice then dad on.

They are trying to put pressure on the SPFL to do what they want, not what’s in the best interests of the game and other clubs.

That’s what budge has wanted all along...... NOT


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I’m in full agreement. They are snakelike self centred ********s who are never to be trusted. Who knows what legal advice they’ve taken though, Partick seemed to think they had a case.

[Victor]

Apologies if it has already been mentioned, but Is this Temporary Reconstruction discussion official, or just wishful thinking by Budge and her BBC cronies?


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[H18 SFR]

Apologies if it has already been mentioned, but Is this Temporary Reconstruction discussion official, or just wishful thinking by Budge and her BBC cronies?


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I asked this very question earlier and the responses were far from clear.

[The 90+2]

I asked this very question earlier and the responses were far from clear.

It’s official that she’s been put in charge, again, to try and draw up a plan backed by the rest of the game to get temp reconstruction for two years to go through, they are backed by Celtic Rangers and Aberdeen.

[Iggy Pope]

Apologies if it has already been mentioned, but Is this Temporary Reconstruction discussion official, or just wishful thinking by Budge and her BBC cronies?


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I asked this very question earlier and the responses were far from clear.


Were you boys anticipating a clear answer to this from the folks on here?

[Victor]

It’s official that she’s been put in charge, again, to try and draw up a plan backed by the rest of the game to get temp reconstruction for two years to go through, they are backed by Celtic Rangers and Aberdeen.

FFS. This is taken longer to finish than The Return of the King.


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[Spike Mandela]

Apologies if it has already been mentioned, but Is this Temporary Reconstruction discussion official, or just wishful thinking by Budge and her BBC cronies?


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Will find out on Monday but the absence of a rebuttal from the SPFL would suggest there is something in it.

How it goes from the Aberdeen chairman announcing a few days ago it was not the time to focus on reconstructio but rather time to concentrate on the issues going forwatd facing getting the league started again to now the Aberdeen chairman advocating looking at temporary reconstruction. Baffling 🤪

[Billy Whizz]

If it goes on for ages would it hold up the league if they get some sort of injunction? Again, it could be a reason the clubs will want reconstruction.
The hearts foundation are backing legal action too which means they will pay for it

As far as I’m aware the FOH haven’t made any stance on backing
Leslie Deans has written an open letter to the Hearts supporters to get behind legal action

[JohnMcM]

Why?

A precedent being laid down, (that even given these Covid times), suggests mismanagement, financial doping, player and staff bullying, manipulation of facts, sedition and belligerence will continue to be acceptable in Scottish Football.

[The 90+2]

As far as I’m aware the FOH haven’t made any stance on backing
Leslie Deans has written an open letter to the Hearts supporters to get behind legal action

They put out a statement last week basically saying they are in full backing of legal action if relegated or whatever word they used to make it sound as if they aren’t being relegated.

Deans’ letter is to continue to put pressure on the board, backed by the fans to pursue this.

They will have taken legal advice at the least, so will the SPFL after the threats from hearts and this looks like the compromise in my eyes. If it doesn’t go through after that then at least it will look like the spfl really tried this time only to be voted down by other clubs and they might hope hearts pipe down afterwards.

[Aldo]

As far as I’m aware the FOH haven’t made any stance on backing
Leslie Deans has written an open letter to the Hearts supporters to get behind legal action

This could actually break them! (Hopefully break them)


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[KeithTheHibby]

This whole thing stinks. Nothing from Budge for a week now this with alleged support from Aberdeen and the old firm?
Corrupt as ****. You watch this get voted through.

[Waxy]

The league has acted within its rules. Dont see how they have a case, unless sinister forces are at work. Pretty much what that lot have shown themselves to be.

[Heisenberg]

This whole thing stinks. Nothing from Budge for a week now this with alleged support from Aberdeen and the old firm?
Corrupt as ****. You watch this get voted through.

Aberdeen and Celtc have always been for temporary reconstruction. Think they mentioned it in their statements in the past couple of weeks.

[Joe6-2]

This whole thing stinks. Nothing from Budge for a week now this with alleged support from Aberdeen and the old firm?
Corrupt as ****. You watch this get voted through.

Really stinks!
Twisted, lying, sneaky bassas, and not just herts

[Onion]

Could you ever in your life see a situation where reconstruction of the league would be contemplated to save St Mirren, Hamilton or Ross County under any circumstances ? Not a chance.

If they do agree to fudge the league, I hope they then find a way of playing out the final games and the Huns and Hearts get their just deserts. Hibs should also refuse to accept the drop to 7th place and loss of £125k in prize money.

[brog]

Clubs that have been told they will lose a lot of money if hearts take it to court and win could possibly agree to this.

I honestly doubt any club will have been told the above.

[Smartie]

If it goes on for ages would it hold up the league if they get some sort of injunction? Again, it could be a reason the clubs will want reconstruction.
The hearts foundation are backing legal action too which means they will pay for it

If they think they can hold out long enough for a team above them to go bust then they can abandon the case at that point - money well spent.

[Ozyhibby]

I honestly doubt any club will have been told the above.

Agree, the court case has no chance of success. More likely they clubs have been told Hearts can’t survive relegation and have been asked to think again. Doubt it will be enough though. Asking clubs to take less money right now is a non starter.


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[Rumble de Thump]

Hearts still haven't figured out who they would take to court and which crime they are supposedly the victims of. A court case is fantasy stuff. If they get relegated becasue the rules dictate that they should be then that's just the way it is.

If any board members at other clubs are unsure about how to vote regarding reconstruction they should just read Budge's pathetic statements and put the nail in the coffin.

[Billy Whizz]

If they think they can hold out long enough for a team above them to go bust then they can abandon the case at that point - money well spent.

Not sure who’s likely to go bust before the season starts, other than Sevco, and there’s no way there handing Celtic 10 in a row without a fight

Most Premiership teams have lots of players going out of contact, so will have a low cost base going into the new season

Sky deal is greater too as well, so if they manage their cost base properly, they should survive in the short term

[Waxy]

Hearts didnt care about other clubs when they overspent wildly to win the prizemoney.
Why should hearts benefit due to the coronavirus?
Thats what would happen if they didnt go down.

[The 90+2]

I honestly doubt any club will have been told the above.

Surely it would be negligent to not ask for some legal advice as another is threatening court action? I would like to think we have asked what happens if hearts win a court case and how likely that would be?

[The 90+2]

If they think they can hold out long enough for a team above them to go bust then they can abandon the case at that point - money well spent.

Yep.

[The 90+2]

Agree, the court case has no chance of success. More likely they clubs have been told Hearts can’t survive relegation and have been asked to think again. Doubt it will be enough though. Asking clubs to take less money right now is a non starter.


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That would be the ideal situation for all of us above. I’m not sure it’s reality though. By saying not sure it could be the case it is obviously and I’ll be delighted if they are that ****ed that’s the case.

[Peevemor]

If they think they can hold out long enough for a team above them to go bust then they can abandon the case at that point - money well spent.Except their outgoings are still huge and they're short of money. There's no guarantee they'll outlast anyone.

[SMAXXA]

Yes, you keep saying it. Have a day off.

I will decide what I post if you don’t like it put me on ignore. I’ve said it a few times as something else happens to make me think it is likely.

[Sammy7nil]

If the vote for a 14 team league goes through i would like Hearts, Aberdeen, Livingston and Hamilton to take the drop.

I know that is highly unlikely however that would be me preferred choice :aok:

[GreenCastle]

Don’t forget Dundee and Ayr.

Who says ICT were coming up ?

Plus would be madness as playoffs usually very tough.

Can’t see it happening.

[Eyrie]

If this is only temporary for two years, then at the end it will be three down and one up with no play off for that season only.

When you discount the Ugly Sisters, you're left with three teams from twelve ie a quarter of the expanded league to be relegated. It's unlikely that us, Aberdeen or Hearts will be down there either, so in effect it will be three from nine which is a third of the expanded league.

Will turkeys vote for Christmas?

[Sammy7nil]

If this is only temporary for two years, then at the end it will be three down and one up with no play off for that season only.

When you discount the Ugly Sisters, you're left with three teams from twelve ie a quarter of the expanded league to be relegated. It's unlikely that us, Aberdeen or Hearts will be down there either, so in effect it will be three from nine which is a third of the expanded league.

Will turkeys vote for Christmas?

They must vote for it anything else would be so unfair everyone just needs to suck it up and Save Hearts. So Neil McCann said :rolleyes:

[brog]

Surely it would be negligent to not ask for some legal advice as another is threatening court action? I would like to think we have asked what happens if hearts win a court case and how likely that would be?

If they were threatening court action against us only then I agree but they're threatening court action against the SPFL of which they're a member. We may have discussed in house but I doubt any liability on our part will have been a major concern.

[Sammy7nil]

This cannot be allowed to drag on and on a decision should be made within 14 days.

Clubs, Fans, Sky and hangers on :greengrin need to know where they stand.

[CB_NO3]

Wonder if this is to with the money Sky and BT might be due back if the season is incomplete?

Having a bigger league might give us more leverage to negotiate with Sky giving them a few more games in return to soften the blow. Only reason I could see Celtic backing it.

On a separate note, this Aberdeen guy has a lot to say for himself. Only been in the door 10 minutes and is trying to be relevant.

[Sammy7nil]

If they were threatening court action against us only then I agree but they're threatening court action against the SPFL of which they're a member. We may have discussed in house but I doubt any liability on our part will have been a major concern.

As far as know they have not mentioned court they will take advice and consider their options based on the advice received.

[brog]

Agree, the court case has no chance of success. More likely they clubs have been told Hearts can’t survive relegation and have been asked to think again. Doubt it will be enough though. Asking clubs to take less money right now is a non starter.


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I suspect you're close to the truth here. If all else fails then go for the sympathy vote.

[Col2]

The split after 26 games and not 33 is just crap. We are due to finish 7th this season and in that scenario we would have 14 games (7 home games) with absolutely nothing to play for as safe from relegation but can’t get into top 6. Within a normal calendar year the a lot would be late January not early April. It’s just a crap proposal.

Ron and Leanne would have to consider the real possibility of them continuing to outbid us for players and it not impossible we could find ourselves in the bottom 3 after two season. Imagine the irony. This is why Ross County, st Mirren, Hamilton and evening Motherwell and Livi won’t go for it.

I think the suggestion Budge has told the SPFL and top clubs they will go to the wall when relegated feels like the most likely scenario.

[Sammy7nil]

Wonder if this is to with the money Sky and BT might be due back if the season is incomplete?

Having a bigger league might give us more leverage to negotiate with Sky giving them a few more games in return to soften the blow. Only reason I could see Celtic backing it.

On a separate note, this Aberdeen guy has a lot to say for himself. Only been in the door 10 minutes and is trying to be relevant.

When sport returns SKY and BT will have too many options to show sport.

Boxing, Cricket, Darts, Tennis, Golf, Rugby, Top European football leagues all of them and more will be desperate to be on TV 📺 they won't have enough time to show the sports. Scottish football will be low in the pecking order.

[Billy Whizz]

I think the suggestion Budge has told the SPFL and top clubs they will go to the wall when relegated feels like the most likely scenario.

If that’s the card she’s playing, she’s out of order
She’s only got herself to blame. No CEO in the business, and her loyalty to Potter, has come back to bite her. Not to forget their stand fiasco

[Ozyhibby]

If that’s the card she’s playing, she’s out of order
She’s only got herself to blame. No CEO in the business, and her loyalty to Potter, has come back to bite her. Not to forget their stand fiasco

If I was Hamilton Chairman they would only get my vote if they were salary capped to Hamilton’s level for the next 5 years.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

It looks like they are in serious financial trouble and have made it clear to the other clubs. I think they’re going to go pop and this is their final shot at it.


and then benny factor will appear again

[southern hibby]

I honestly think this is all show. I think this is two fold, first so she looks good and genuinely makes viewers feel sorry for her on the Netflix programme getting filmed and the second reason so that they get a second season showing and the money that will bring in from Netflix.

Lets be honest we were hooked with the Sunderland showing and I’m sure there will be lots of viewers hooked watching Hearts too. Wouldn’t even be surprised if Netflix had a word in her ear asking her to........ Well let’s just say be mischievous so that it makes good viewing and makes viewers want the second viewing.


GGTTH

[Sammy7nil]

I honestly think this is all show. I think this is two fold, first so she looks good and genuinely makes viewers feel sorry for her on the Netflix programme getting filmed and the second reason so that they get a second season showing and the money that will bring in from Netflix.

Lets be honest we were hooked with the Sunderland showing and I’m sure there will be lots of viewers hooked watching Hearts too. Wouldn’t even be surprised if Netflix had a word in her ear asking her to........ Well let’s just say be mischievous so that it makes good viewing and makes viewers want the second viewing.


GGTTH

There may even be a sex scandal with CL and the long haired guy possibly a three some ?

[southern hibby]

There may even be a sex scandal with CL and the long haired guy possibly a three some ?


Youve seriously put me of watching the
programme now lol

GGTTH

[heid the baw]

The split after 26 and the prospect of 12 meaningless games from Feb to May for the team who is 8th at the split should be the deal breaker for reconstruction.
Other than the ugly sisters, which team can realistically say they won't get caught up in a mld table group and slip into 8th on goal difference at game 26.
No chance of selling half season tickets ect
Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind

[chippy]

The split after 26 and the prospect of 12 meaningless games from Feb to May for the team who is 8th at the split should be the deal breaker for reconstruction.
Other than the ugly sisters, which team can realistically say they won't get caught up in a mld table group and slip into 8th on goal difference at game 26.
No chance of selling half season tickets ect
Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind

Maybe it will be a top 8 split ?

[Aldo]

The split after 26 games and not 33 is just crap. We are due to finish 7th this season and in that scenario we would have 14 games (7 home games) with absolutely nothing to play for as safe from relegation but can’t get into top 6. Within a normal calendar year the a lot would be late January not early April. It’s just a crap proposal.

Ron and Leanne would have to consider the real possibility of them continuing to outbid us for players and it not impossible we could find ourselves in the bottom 3 after two season. Imagine the irony. This is why Ross County, st Mirren, Hamilton and evening Motherwell and Livi won’t go for it.

I think the suggestion Budge has told the SPFL and top clubs they will go to the wall when relegated feels like the most likely scenario.

If she has said that this will happen then they are not self sufficient and should then be told to take what punishment is coming their way.

The SPFL cannot and should not step in and neither should the other associated members.

If true then the SPFL set a dangerous precedence and would allow clubs to do and spend what they want knowing they could just do a Hearts.

This is however all speculation and maybe be codswallop!


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[Spike Mandela]

Maybe it will be a top 8 split ?

No way Celtic and Rangers would tolerate a 40 game season with their fixture list in Europe and cups etc

Anything suggesting a 40 game program next season is ludicrous as well with the potential late start to season and Euros in the summer.