NO to reconstruction

[Sweet Left Peg]

I'm trying to keep up with all the relegations hearts have endured these past 10 weeks. People who have relegated hearts this year already include:

Jon Obika
Dundee chairman
Hibs
Neil Doncaster
26 teams
Craig Levein & Daniel Stendal

Do you know who really relegated Hearts?

It was Carole Baskin!

[SuperAllyMcleod]

He's got a boner for Budge. Stranger things have happened. I can't be the only Hibee that secretly fancies Leeann.

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Yes you are, the rest of us are quite open about it. [emoji6]

[FilipinoHibs]

Yes you are, the rest of us are quite open about it. [emoji6]

You do all know she is only interested in women. Sorry to break the news boys.

[jacomo]

That bit on Sportsound when Findlay says noone from Hearts had phoned him then English interjects "did you pick up the phone to Hearts?" Sums him up. He just doesn't get it at all.

Don't think he even understood there's no automatic relegation in League 2.

Not good enough.


:agree:

[MrSmith]

You do all know she is only interested in women. Sorry to break the news boys.

yep me too so at least both Leanne and I have something in common :thumbsup:

[CraigHibee]

To all the Yams creaming themselves over Hibs statement today, if a team with no debt and who are on a sound financial footing are having to cut costs at the moment what in the hell do you think a team who have just lost £3m, are about to spend money on a legal challenge and who won't have a game for the next 4 months are going to have to do to cut their costs, unless you go down the route of ripping off charities again :confused:

If it hadnt been for benny factor hearts would be in an even bigger mess financially, look at the wages they are paying for absolute dross and sitting bottom of the league.

If i was a puddle drinker id be highly embarrassed about the running of my club rather than blame shifting to all tbe other teams etc.

For any maroon tard looking in, youve been relegated not expelled, you can suck it up cretins

[matty_f]

Donald Findlay was excellent on Sportsound, bringing a level of intelligence and objectivity to the show that's been sadly missing for some time.

The key thing, that has been missed by Sportsound and most of the media outlets, is that the clubs weren't voting to save (or otherwise) three clubs. That would have been the byproduct of the vote.

The clubs were voting on restructuring the leagues, and the proposal was worse than the current set up. That much was evident in the lack of support for the proposal.

This narrative that clubs were somehow condemning Hearts etc by refusing to push through reconstruction is misleading. If the proposal had been workable and better than what we have now, it would have been voted through.

You don't make like worse for everyone for the sake of three clubs. As harsh as it was, the season had to end, and with null and void not being a practical option, the clubs have done the best with the hand they were dealt.

Teams are relegated every year, and it means they have to adjust. Hearts have had a terrible 18 months or so, frankly if they weren't prepared for relegation then they should be venting their anger at the owner, rather than looking for blame elsewhere.

[Coco Bryce]

Tom English is a complete walloper. If he spoke to me with that tone in a boozer I'd knock him out. Who the hell does he think he is.

[TObeachesHibby]

Tom English is a complete walloper. If he spoke to me with that tone in a boozer I'd knock him out. Who the hell does he think he is.

I agree . i just listened to the whole podcast and at about 35mins in ,Tom English asked Donald Findlay why he doesn't know which teams in the lower leagues will be ready to start in Mid Oct and why hasn't he spoken to the league about it. Findlay, having patiently answered all the questions put his way for previous 30+mins , including repeated points about "fairness", replied "what sort of question is that? ". He then had to explain in language that a kid at primary school would understand , that it would cost Cowdenbeath approx GBP5-6K per game based on existing precautions & procedures required BUT how was he to know what would be required in Oct (some 4 months later fyi). As he stated , we may very well be in lockdown again. Previous to this , he explained very clearly to Craig Levein that is was the clubs decision not the Board/ Neil Doncaster and that the SPFL board would not take an executive decision to do reconstruction because THAT WOULD SUBJECT TO LEGAL ACTION FROM OTHER CLUBS.

In my view Tom English and Craig Levein got off lightly by Donald . They were shown up for not being in complete grasp of the facts nor of the legal consequences of having a unilateral board decision which went against the majority of the clubs wishes AND affected their planning & budgeting for the coming season. winners and losers as Donald constantly reminded them .

[SouthMoroccoStu]

That bit on Sportsound when Findlay says noone from Hearts had phoned him then English interjects "did you pick up the phone to Hearts?" Sums him up. He just doesn't get it at all.

Don't think he even understood there's no automatic relegation in League 2.

Not good enough.

Oh now to be fair

When I want something from someone I always sit around waiting for them to call me

I’ve wasted days if not weeks and still not getting the deals and contacts I want

That’s smart business

[chasitup]

Donald Findlay was excellent on Sportsound, bringing a level of intelligence and objectivity to the show that's been sadly missing for some time.

The key thing, that has been missed by Sportsound and most of the media outlets, is that the clubs weren't voting to save (or otherwise) three clubs. That would have been the byproduct of the vote.

The clubs were voting on restructuring the leagues, and the proposal was worse than the current set up. That much was evident in the lack of support for the proposal.

This narrative that clubs were somehow condemning Hearts etc by refusing to push through reconstruction is misleading. If the proposal had been workable and better than what we have now, it would have been voted through.

You don't make like worse for everyone for the sake of three clubs. As harsh as it was, the season had to end, and with null and void not being a practical option, the clubs have done the best with the hand they were dealt.

Teams are relegated every year, and it means they have to adjust. Hearts have had a terrible 18 months or so, frankly if they weren't prepared for relegation then they should be venting their anger at the owner, rather than looking for blame elsewhere.
That’s where I’ve been at all along too. Why would clubs vote to increase the top league to 14 clubs with a ridiculous 6/8 split and have the top 6 play 4 games less in a season, or have the clubs in positions 7 & 8 potentially have nothing to play for after January or February. All of this on a permanent basis? It wouldn’t save Scottish football, it would be making it worse, which is some feat. Yet I didn’t hear any of the supposed journalists or pundits looking at the set up in any detail whatsoever. Pretty poor doesn’t cover it.

[Waxy]

Donald Findlay was excellent on Sportsound, bringing a level of intelligence and objectivity to the show that's been sadly missing for some time.

The key thing, that has been missed by Sportsound and most of the media outlets, is that the clubs weren't voting to save (or otherwise) three clubs. That would have been the byproduct of the vote.

The clubs were voting on restructuring the leagues, and the proposal was worse than the current set up. That much was evident in the lack of support for the proposal.

This narrative that clubs were somehow condemning Hearts etc by refusing to push through reconstruction is misleading. If the proposal had been workable and better than what we have now, it would have been voted through.

You don't make like worse for everyone for the sake of three clubs. As harsh as it was, the season had to end, and with null and void not being a practical option, the clubs have done the best with the hand they were dealt.

Teams are relegated every year, and it means they have to adjust. Hearts have had a terrible 18 months or so, frankly if they weren't prepared for relegation then they should be venting their anger at the owner, rather than looking for blame elsewhere.
This is it for me too.Somehow hearts and the media have made it hearts v world when it’s had nothing to do with them at all.
They cant force a reconstruction which doesnt pass through a club vote.They are going down on sporting merit.

[Onion]

That’s where I’ve been at all along too. Why would clubs vote to increase the top league to 14 clubs with a ridiculous 6/8 split and have the top 6 play 4 games less in a season, or have the clubs in positions 7 & 8 potentially have nothing to play for after January or February. All of this on a permanent basis? It wouldn’t save Scottish football, it would be making it worse, which is some feat. Yet I didn’t hear any of the supposed journalists or pundits looking at the set up in any detail whatsoever. Pretty poor doesn’t cover it.

Just listened and it was like a couple of schoolboys talking with the adult in the room. The whole thing was an embarrassment for English, Levein and the BBC.

[Waxy]

Just listened and it was like a couple of schoolboys talking with the adult in the room. The whole thing was an embarrassment for English, Levein and the BBC.

It was a crazy listen. A couple of deranged hearts fans raising their voices trying to tell Donald Findlay he’s wrong.
The BBC have to get rid of English if want people to take this programme seriously.

[Waxy]

Only way i can describe this.Hearts, Partick and Stranraer have gone down on sporting merit.
It was the only outcome after taking everything into account and they’ve been unlucky more than anything else.It would be more unfair on other clubs to keep them up through a worse reconstruction or to null and void the season. We were in the run in.
Now there is no fair here.It has been unfair on Hibs too, all the clubs in playoffs but we’ve all had to take it and hearts, Partick and Stranraer have had to also.
If i could guess fairness in percentages taking everything into account i’d say its been around 10% unfair on the relegated clubs.Hearts and the media have tried to stretch the unfairness level to the maximum and say they’ve been treated 100% unfairly.
This is simply delusion from them all and shows they are using the situation for their own ends and to escape from sporting merit.
Because everyone sees through them they are in a massive strop now.

[Clarence]

just listened to that podcast well done donald findlay, i'd now like every single club that voted no refuse to be interviewed by that utter fud tom english, there's absolutely no point in them explaining the reason how they voted no as all english says is but but the fairness, what about the fairness, i bet that ross co guy probably wants to punch the @#@# s nose, freakin disgraceful he's allowed to decry the guy on the BBC, yet they gave michael stewart a warning a few months back

Doncaster should get the calpol out because these cry babies should take their medicine.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

"

I fully intend writing to my MP and my MSP to try and convince them that a public inquiry into the governance of Scottish football is necessary due to the apparent corruption that is endemic in our national game. I hope others will do the same. I also hope that this is not just something led by us. We all know reasonable minded fans of other clubs who are just as sick of the way things are run as we are. Let's get the fans of Scottish football onboard. We need to start campaigning now. The court action will take care of itself, but if we don't take this opportunity to drive home our advantage, we will have the 11-1 voting system, the disgraceful situation where teams that attract average crowds of 300 can effectively hold a gun to the head of professional football in this country and an SPFL board who appear to think that if the OF are happy then everyone else can be ignored."

🙄

[mjhibby]

In the non existent scenario it went to court and Hears were awarded 5 million compensation, it would only leave them another 5/10 million to find to finish off the giant class curtain stand.

If they are awarded any large amount of money in compensation it’s the clubs who would have to pay. They will be the pariahs of Scottish football for years and who would want to have anything to do with them. Just another catastrophic mistake by budge. Utter legend. With all the utter mismanagement she has achieved is she really a hibby in disguise.🤣

[mjhibby]

But Saughton/Selkirk said there were 30. Blatant corruption!!!!

The old fool deans said there was something sinister about the vote. The dark arts being done. No just a simple no vote. Seems a few clubs must have been misleading the Duncan’s. That’s terrible so it is.😂

[Skol]

The problem is that no one at heArts can see past saving hearts. Not one of their options has been any good for Scottish football and all come with implications. They just fail to see that.

I do have some sympathy with hearts situation with the season being ended early. However they still had a lot to do to avoid relegation and even more to avoid the play off.

The spfl have been put in a tough situation but have given reconstruction more than enough chances to be passed. The majority though could see the potential issues.

The only way to have resolved this would have been to finish the season but that would have had other issues.

[Brightside]

If they are awarded any large amount of money in compensation it’s the clubs who would have to pay. They will be the pariahs of Scottish football for years and who would want to have anything to do with them. Just another catastrophic mistake by budge. Utter legend. With all the utter mismanagement she has achieved is she really a hibby in disguise.🤣

This is what makes no sense. How can the clubs pay for it. Would it just be the ones that voted against them? Or all members of the SPFL? It’s utter nonsense. My view is she will take it to the first court who will laugh at it and she will then retreat saying she did all she could for the magnificent Hearts support. Then they we erect a statue to Queen B and guard it every night.

[jacomo]

yep me too so at least both Leanne and I have something in common :thumbsup:


Shared interests are the foundation of any good relationship.

[jacomo]

If they are awarded any large amount of money in compensation it’s the clubs who would have to pay. They will be the pariahs of Scottish football for years and who would want to have anything to do with them. Just another catastrophic mistake by budge. Utter legend. With all the utter mismanagement she has achieved is she really a hibby in disguise.🤣


It seems she feels she hasn’t been humiliated enough and wants even more people to laugh at her.

[JohnMcM]

Good morning fellow Hibees,

I was happy to wake this morning in the knowledge that not only can our league sometimes be cruel it is actually Heartless.
As they so often say - "pleasing" :greengrin :lolyam:

[mjhibby]

On kickback I have still not seen one person actually state what law they are going to say has been broken yet? It's all just shouting about serving papers and burning down clubs but nothing about anything that actually would stand up in court

Hopefully deans handles the court case. That will be comedy gold. They have utterly no self awareness and how stupid they look. Carry on.

[Onion]

This is what makes no sense. How can the clubs pay for it. Would it just be the ones that voted against them? Or all members of the SPFL? It’s utter nonsense. My view is she will take it to the first court who will laugh at it and she will then retreat saying she did all she could for the magnificent Hearts support. Then they we erect a statue to Queen B and guard it every night.

If she loses the court case, Ann Budge will be toast.

[Ronniekirk]

If she loses the court case, Ann Budge will be toast.

Burnt Toast


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[Bobby's Cinema]

Donald Findlay was excellent on Sportsound, bringing a level of intelligence and objectivity to the show that's been sadly missing for some time.

The key thing, that has been missed by Sportsound and most of the media outlets, is that the clubs weren't voting to save (or otherwise) three clubs. That would have been the byproduct of the vote.

The clubs were voting on restructuring the leagues, and the proposal was worse than the current set up. That much was evident in the lack of support for the proposal.

This narrative that clubs were somehow condemning Hearts etc by refusing to push through reconstruction is misleading. If the proposal had been workable and better than what we have now, it would have been voted through.

You don't make like worse for everyone for the sake of three clubs. As harsh as it was, the season had to end, and with null and void not being a practical option, the clubs have done the best with the hand they were dealt.

Teams are relegated every year, and it means they have to adjust. Hearts have had a terrible 18 months or so, frankly if they weren't prepared for relegation then they should be venting their anger at the owner, rather than looking for blame elsewhere.

Absolutely.

[Waxy]

Whats the timescale for this?
On what grounds are they taking the other clubs to court?

[blackpoolhibs]

There was also 24 points still to play for ����������������

Yip, and we could have finished 3rd if we'd won enough of those 24 points, and Motherwell and Aberdeen didnt.

The league was called, by EVERYONE, UNANIMOUS, and we were not given the chance. We were also put down to 7th and lost over £130k i think in the process.

Do you see our club moaning?

27 game league. :na na:

[Sammy7nil]

If she loses the court case, Ann Budge will be toast.

The fact they have not called her to account is telling.

It is everyone else's fault expect theirs. It was fantastic she stepped in to save the club and she should be congratulated however Everything since has been a shiit show. All the money she and the fans have brought to the club has been wasted. No one is being brought to account they are just running around screaming it is everyone else's fault.

I am sure the penny will drop soon but their hubris always comes back to bite them.

[Aldo]

This is what makes no sense. How can the clubs pay for it. Would it just be the ones that voted against them? Or all members of the SPFL? It’s utter nonsense. My view is she will take it to the first court who will laugh at it and she will then retreat saying she did all she could for the magnificent Hearts support. Then they we erect a statue to Queen B and guard it every night.

If she is taking the SPFL to court she is taking its associates members and that will be the other 41 clubs regardless of how the voted.

If they win then the SPFL ie the other 41 clubs will foot the bill. So in essence she is taking all the other clubs to court.

Now if I remember correctly in her latest statement

Hearts, along with many others, have stated repeatedly that no club should be disproportionately disadvantaged because of this crisis. This was the final opportunity for kinship to prevail and for Scottish football to stand together in an emergency. It is an unfortunate condemnation of Scottish football that this was not possible.

So by her/their actions all the clubs could be.

She talks about kinship... my arse. It’s all about you Budge all about you.

Budge and co are entering very dangerous ground and I am sure the SFA/UEFA and FIFA will be watching very closely.


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[Sammy7nil]

Taken from a post on kickback by Phoenix Hearts "I just want to make sure we're not bumming ourselves" :confused:

[JeMeSouviens]

This is what makes no sense. How can the clubs pay for it. Would it just be the ones that voted against them? Or all members of the SPFL? It’s utter nonsense. My view is she will take it to the first court who will laugh at it and she will then retreat saying she did all she could for the magnificent Hearts support. Then they we erect a statue to Queen B and guard it every night.

I think she's angling for a bung to shut up. Settle out of court for "an undisclosed sum" to save face on her side, make it go away quicker for everyone else. I can actually see this happening. SPFL gives them say 300K, kickback goes full on triumphant as Leslie Deans aka Saughton Jambo tells them all they got £17M. :rolleyes:

[blackpoolhibs]

I think she's angling for a bung to shut up. Settle out of court for "an undisclosed sum" to save face on her side, make it go away quicker for everyone else. I can actually see this happening. SPFL gives them say 300K, kickback goes full on triumphant as Leslie Deans aka Saughton Jambo tells them all they got £17M. :rolleyes:

I cant see it, any (bung) is in my opinion an admittance of wrongdoing, the authorities have done nothing wrong?

[007]

This is what makes no sense. How can the clubs pay for it. Would it just be the ones that voted against them? Or all members of the SPFL? It’s utter nonsense. My view is she will take it to the first court who will laugh at it and she will then retreat saying she did all she could for the magnificent Hearts support. Then they we erect a statue to Queen B and guard it every night.

It comes out of the prize pot so each club pays varying percentages depending on where they finish. The Premiership champions will pay 13.4% so about £1.1m which is why Lawwell (and others) will have switched from being their ally on Sunday to being their enemy as of yesterday.

[JeMeSouviens]

I cant see it, any (bung) is in my opinion an admittance of wrongdoing, the authorities have done nothing wrong?

Out of court settlements never admit anything. It could be easily spun by both sides:

SPFL - "of course we feel sorry for Hearts, blah, blah"
Hearts - "we are the TRIUMPHANT MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE and WILL MAKE YOU ALL BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Job done.

[Caversham Green]

I cant see it, any (bung) is in my opinion an admittance of wrongdoing, the authorities have done nothing wrong?

Legally it isn't an admission of guilt it's done to save the time and money involved in a court hearing, especially since there's no guarantee that the court would award costs to the winner. On that basis the out of court offer should be less that the potential legal costs.

Of course that's not how the legal geniuses on Jambos Kickedoot would see it.

[Col2]

It comes out of the prize pot so each club pays varying percentages depending on where they finish. The Premiership champions will pay 13.4% so about £1.1m which is why Lawwell (and others) will have switched from being their ally on Sunday to being their enemy as of yesterday.

So technically Patrick could end up paying Hearts 😂😂

[Keith_M]

Maybe we could have a Collection, so we have something to offer as an out of court settlement.


I hereby pledge a Curly Wurly.


It's only a couple of months past it's sell-by-date.

[Aldo]

So technically Patrick could end up paying Hearts [emoji23][emoji23]

So after all her guff all the clubs could end up disproportionately disadvantaged! (Hope I got those last 2 words correct)


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[blackpoolhibs]

Out of court settlements never admit anything. It could be easily spun by both sides:

SPFL - "of course we feel sorry for Hearts, blah, blah"
Hearts - "we are the TRIUMPHANT MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE and WILL MAKE YOU ALL BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Job done.


Legally it isn't an admission of guilt it's done to save the time and money involved in a court hearing, especially since there's no guarantee that the court would award costs to the winner. On that basis the out of court offer should be less that the potential legal costs.

Of course that's not how the legal geniuses on Jambos Kickedoot would see it.

I understand that, and i'd guess nobody wants this to run on any longer, but i can see both sides wanting to come out of this as winners.

The only thing here in my opinion is, any extra money given to the gimps gives them the ammunition for ever to say they ere right and unfairly treated.

No they have not, everyone has lost something and the authorities cant pay all of them off.

[Tattie]

From the board room to the court room - SPFL reconstruction debacle continues https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

More nonsense from Tom English.

[chasitup]

From the board room to the court room - SPFL reconstruction debacle continues https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

More nonsense from Tom English.

Still not addressing the real reasons reconstruction wasn't approved. Not once has he looked at the dreadful 14 team set up of the premiership and 6/8 split. Piss poor journalism.

[Hibs Class]

If she is taking the SPFL to court she is taking its associates members and that will be the other 41 clubs regardless of how the voted.

If they win then the SPFL ie the other 41 clubs will foot the bill. So in essence she is taking all the other clubs to court.

Now if I remember correctly in her latest statement

Hearts, along with many others, have stated repeatedly that no club should be disproportionately disadvantaged because of this crisis. This was the final opportunity for kinship to prevail and for Scottish football to stand together in an emergency. It is an unfortunate condemnation of Scottish football that this was not possible.

So by her/their actions all the clubs could be.

She talks about kinship... my arse. It’s all about you Budge all about you.

Budge and co are entering very dangerous ground and I am sure the SFA/UEFA and FIFA will be watching very closely.


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:top marksSpot on. It's so glaringly hypocritical that it's staggering that no-one associated with their club can see it, or is willing to speak up.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

From the board room to the court room - SPFL reconstruction debacle continues https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

More nonsense from Tom English.

I'm not reading any more of that sociopath's inane drivel.

[Tattie]

Still not addressing the real reasons reconstruction wasn't approved. Not once has he looked at the dreadful 14 team set up of the premiership and 6/8 split. Piss poor journalism.

Exactly, just continued rants about injustice/fairness. Can’t seem to accept it.

Talks about ending their misery by voting in reconstruction. How about the misery of 6/8 split and having half a season of pointless games which will have a longer term impact on the league/clubs.

[JeMeSouviens]

I understand that, and i'd guess nobody wants this to run on any longer, but i can see both sides wanting to come out of this as winners.

The only thing here in my opinion is, any extra money given to the gimps gives them the ammunition for ever to say they ere right and unfairly treated.

No they have not, everyone has lost something and the authorities cant pay all of them off.

You think they'll need ammunition?

Actually, attempting to be objective for a moment - I think they have been unlucky the way the season ended and, if it weren't for the fact that they've fulfilled every petulant, aggressive, entitled, arrogant, whiny stereotype we have of Jambos, I wouldn't be against giving them some additional amount to the parachute payment to reflect that.

I think the SPFL might still go that route to get it all over quickly and quietly.

[neil7908]

I'm not reading any more of that sociopath's inane drivel.

That's the right call. For some reason I started reading and gave up after a few paragraphs - absolute garbage.

[makaveli1875]

Whats the timescale for this?
On what grounds are they taking the other clubs to court?

Because its not fair, they spent Alot of James Anderson money to avoid relegation so they don't deserve to go down

[Baader]

Exactly, just continued rants about injustice/fairness. Can’t seem to accept it.

Talks about ending their misery by voting in reconstruction. How about the misery of 6/8 split and having half a season of pointless games which will have a longer term impact on the league/clubs.

The man is a slavering idiot who continually shows his complete ignorance and misunderstanding of the situation and the set up in Scottish football. Its apparent from his rabid monologues he didn't even know there is no automatic relegation in League 2.

He is also voicing opinion (continually saying "its just wrong") despite reconstruction being decisively voted down by the clubs. Lousy, lazy, extremely biased and misinformed journalism and the BBC really should be considering his position.

[NC1875]

Still not addressing the real reasons reconstruction wasn't approved. Not once has he looked at the dreadful 14 team set up of the premiership and 6/8 split. Piss poor journalism.

Tom English is the definition of a fanny. Sucking upto his wee bird Anne again.
The reconstruction had to be an improvement on what we had as well as saving the other clubs. It wasn’t just to save hearts and gladly most other teams could see that. Clearly English and the other so called “journalists” have still not managed to see that.

[007]

I think she's angling for a bung to shut up. Settle out of court for "an undisclosed sum" to save face on her side, make it go away quicker for everyone else. I can actually see this happening. SPFL gives them say 300K, kickback goes full on triumphant as Leslie Deans aka Saughton Jambo tells them all they got £17M. :rolleyes:

Saughton Legal (not to be confused with Boston Legal).

[Peevemor]

Exactly, just continued rants about injustice/fairness. Can’t seem to accept it.

Talks about ending their misery by voting in reconstruction. How about the misery of 6/8 split and having half a season of pointless games which will have a longer term impact on the league/clubs.

12-12-10-10 would have saved Partick & Stranraer as well as incorporating Kelty & Brora.

Why wasn't it proposed?

That's the question Tom English should be asking if he's that fussed.

[blackpoolhibs]

You think they'll need ammunition?

Actually, attempting to be objective for a moment - I think they have been unlucky the way the season ended and, if it weren't for the fact that they've fulfilled every petulant, aggressive, entitled, arrogant, whiny stereotype we have of Jambos, I wouldn't be against giving them some additional amount to the parachute payment to reflect that.

I think the SPFL might still go that route to get it all over quickly and quietly.

Then they open themselves up to EVERY club saying we could have caught the club in front of us, maybe even the 2 clubs in front of us.

Each place then has a bigger prize that comes with finishing higher, then of course for us it would have meant Europe, what is the prize for that?

There are no winners here, you either moan your arse off and complain to anyone who will listen like the gimps, or you accept things as they are, get on with it and cut your cloth accordingly like everyone else.

Giving them anything over and above what they are due, opens up a can of worms that could drag this on even longer than giving them their bung.

[Caversham Green]

From the board room to the court room - SPFL reconstruction debacle continues https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

More nonsense from Tom English.

He's not even trying to hide his bias now. Championing a 14 team premiership but he has made no attempt to analyse how it would work or compare it with the current setup. All he's done is bleat about how it's unfair on Hearts (oh, and Partick and Stranraer who he whinges about being left out of the discussion then barely mentions them again himself). His last paragraph talks about self-awareness - you could do with a dose of that yourself Tom. You're not fit to be a sports reporter for the BBC.

[JeMeSouviens]

What's also heard in places is the bogus argument to end all bogus arguments, the one that has people saying that if their club was in the same boat as Hearts or Thistle or Stranraer then they wouldn't be making such a song and dance about it. Donald Findlay, chairman of Cowdenbeath, is one of the people who have put this one forward.

All power to their magnanimity, but it's somewhat less than convincing. Selfless acceptance of a clear and obvious and hugely damaging injustice is not a trait that you would have associated with football in this county - or any other country - so these views have come as a genuine revelation.

:confused:

I wish I hadn't tried to read it either ... but how the hell did he not notice that Thistle, Stranraer, Falkirk, all the clubs that missed out on play-offs, Hibs who finished 7th, Aberdeen who were going for 3rd, etc, etc. *have* accepted it? FFS, even Sevco have accepted it, complete with 9IAR for Celtc.

The only non-accepters left are whiny, whiny Hearts. :rolleyes:

[Brunswickbill]

If Budge really was concerned with the “injustices” that other clubs have suffered she could have proposed her 14-10-10-10 as her first preference and a 12-12-10-10 set up as a second choice. Under the latter only Hearts would have lost out and the problems for the other clubs that have been subject to relegation and non-promotion would have been resolved. I’m pretty sure that by showing such good will there would have been a good chance of clubs supporting some form of financial recompense for Hearts. But that was never on the table because Mrs Budge was only interested in Hearts and all the talk of the interests of all Scottish football clubs was pure cant.

[Sammy7nil]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

Tom continues his crusade

Absolutely nothing about the negative impact of a 14 team league. I don't think anyone other than Hearts would have objected to 12 12 10 10

[Peevemor]

If Budge really was concerned with the “injustices” that other clubs have suffered she could have proposed her 14-10-10-10 as her first preference and a 12-12-10-10 set up as a second choice. Under the latter only Hearts would have lost out and the problems for the other clubs that have been subject to relegation and non-promotion would have been resolved. I’m pretty sure that by showing such good will there would have been a good chance of clubs supporting some form of financial recompense for Hearts. But that was never on the table because Mrs Budge was only interested in Hearts and all the talk of the interests of all Scottish football clubs was pure cant.

Exactly. Total cant!

[Lago]

From the board room to the court room - SPFL reconstruction debacle continues https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

More nonsense from Tom English.
Just read it & the guy is certainly on a mission for whatever reason, some very emotive language being used on his part.

[JeMeSouviens]

Then they open themselves up to EVERY club saying we could have caught the club in front of us, maybe even the 2 clubs in front of us.

Each place then has a bigger prize that comes with finishing higher, then of course for us it would have meant Europe, what is the prize for that?

There are no winners here, you either moan your arse off and complain to anyone who will listen like the gimps, or you accept things as they are, get on with it and cut your cloth accordingly like everyone else.

Giving them anything over and above what they are due, opens up a can of worms that could drag this on even longer than giving them their bung.

I mostly agree but I think, as you say, other than the whiny gimps, everyone else has put it behind them. I wouldn't underestimate the lure of the quick fix if they can shut whiny Budge up at a fairly small cost.

It's not what I would do, but Doncaster & co?

[Jim44]

If she is taking the SPFL to court she is taking its associates members and that will be the other 41 clubs regardless of how the voted.

If they win then the SPFL ie the other 41 clubs will foot the bill. So in essence she is taking all the other clubs to court.

Now if I remember correctly in her latest statement

Hearts, along with many others, have stated repeatedly that no club should be disproportionately disadvantaged because of this crisis. This was the final opportunity for kinship to prevail and for Scottish football to stand together in an emergency. It is an unfortunate condemnation of Scottish football that this was not possible.

So by her/their actions all the clubs could be.

She talks about kinship... my arse. It’s all about you Budge all about you.

Budge and co are entering very dangerous ground and I am sure the SFA/UEFA and FIFA will be watching very closely.


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If they win, they themselves will have to foot a proportion of the bill......... The compensation will effectively be paid by all 42 clubs.

[we are hibs]

Tom English thinks club chairmen have been misogynistic towards Ann Budge. Pretty serious allegation, im sure he will be able to name these people and back this up?



Thats an absolute embarrassment of an article. Yet the BBC allow it. Luckily such allegations havent been made towards Jim Traynor otherwise he wouldve been suspended eh..

[Alan62]

The biggest problem with the whole business is that a solution that works for everybody simply can't be found. There are too many conflicting interests to reach a position where nobody suffers.

For example, how do you decide which teams are invited to play in the 14 team top league? By logical extension, if it's unfair to relegate Hearts because they were in the bottom slot when the league was prematurely ended, then it's equally unfair to promote Inverness at the expense of the teams who could still have achieved second in that league.

I don't think I've heard Hearts complain about that unfairness. I don't think I've heard them mention the other clubs (including Hibernian) that lost out when the method for ending the season was implemented - other than the teams that were relegated.

The point is, there is no solution where everybody wins. There never is. The best that can be hoped for is a resolution that minimises the damage and that's what we currently have.

[Waxy]

12-12-10-10 would have saved Partick & Stranraer as well as incorporating Kelty & Brora.

Why wasn't it proposed?

That's the question Tom English should be asking if he's that fussed.

They wrongly made it about saving the clubs from relegation.That’s no reason to reconstruct the leagues.
There is room to reconstruct under the top league. No more than 12 in each division.Maybe next season?

[JimBHibees]

He's not even trying to hide his bias now. Championing a 14 team premiership but he has made no attempt to analyse how it would work or compare it with the current setup. All he's done is bleat about how it's unfair on Hearts (oh, and Partick and Stranraer who he whinges about being left out of the discussion then barely mentions them again himself). His last paragraph talks about self-awareness - you could do with a dose of that yourself Tom. You're not fit to be a sports reporter for the BBC.

Absolutely spot on. As the representative of a supposedly neutral national broadcaster he has frequently ignored any pretence of impartiality and that utter nonsense is laughable if it wasn't so self interested and sad. He needs punted pronto.

Notice he was criticising Roy McGregor and indicating Ross county were in free fall yet when you compare the last 6 league games, Hearts were a massive one point better off than Ross who were 6 points ahead.

[JimBHibees]

Tom English thinks club chairmen have been misogynistic towards Ann Budge. Pretty serious allegation, im sure he will be able to name these people and back this up?



Thats an absolute embarrassment of an article. Yet the BBC allow it. Luckily such allegations havent been made towards Jim Traynor otherwise he wouldve been suspended eh..

:faf:

[calumhibee1]

So now there’s a misogynistic side to reconstruction? 😂

Get in the bin Tom English.

The desperation from Hearts and their fan(ny) boys knows no bounds.

[Waxy]

He’s absolutely shocking. I cannot believe how bad a reporter Tom English is. Only blinkered venomous reporting from a biased viewpoint is what it looks like to me.

[poolman]

So now there’s a misogynistic side to reconstruction? 😂

Get in the bin Tom English.


That's just embarrassing, he's making a total tit of himself

[Jim44]

The biggest problem with the whole business is that a solution that works for everybody simply can't be found. There are too many conflicting interests to reach a position where nobody suffers.

For example, how do you decide which teams are invited to play in the 14 team top league? By logical extension, if it's unfair to relegate Hearts because they were in the bottom slot when the league was prematurely ended, then it's equally unfair to promote Inverness at the expense of the teams who could still have achieved second in that league.

I don't think I've heard Hearts complain about that unfairness. I don't think I've heard them mention the other clubs (including Hibernian) that lost out when the method for ending the season was implemented - other than the teams that were relegated.

The point is, there is no solution where everybody wins. There never is. The best that can be hoped for is a resolution that minimises the damage and that's what we currently have.

Good post. Among all the good common sense being posted on this thread, I think this one most clearly outlines why the final decision was the least unfair or harmful solution to a very difficult problem.

[007]

From the board room to the court room - SPFL reconstruction debacle continues https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

More nonsense from Tom English.

Clueless. Doesn't even include an out of court settlement as one of the possible outcomes.

Still upset at Donald Findlay getting the better of him. 😂

[Beefster]

From the board room to the court room - SPFL reconstruction debacle continues https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

More nonsense from Tom English.

“It doesn't matter who the afflicted clubs are, no properly functioning governing body would stand over this decision.”

English obviously isn’t keeping up to date with what’s happening elsewhere because lots of functioning governing bodies are having relegation and promotion without completing the season.

Clickbait at best, pushing an agenda at worst. He’s entitled to his opinion but he’s not a serious reporter these days. Best ignored.

[Skol]

This really is an unparallelled situation and one in which all clubs will suffer as a result. Hearts are one of the clubs who will suffer a bigger hit than others down to the fact that they were adrift at the point football was halted.I do think there is a need to acknowledge this and maybe there should have been consideration of an enhanced parachute payment for clubs who were impacted.

The problem with all these big numbers quoted is that no one really knows the impact. Hearts are basing losses on a normal season and the next season will not be normal with the usually planned income streams. There would need to be a big financial model that calculates this and the real cost willl only be known at the end of the season or maybe even beyond that.

[660]

“It doesn't matter who the afflicted clubs are, no properly functioning governing body would stand over this decision.”

English obviously isn’t keeping up to date with what’s happening elsewhere because lots of functioning governing bodies are having relegation and promotion without completing the season.

Clickbait at best, pushing an agenda at worst. He’s entitled to his opinion but he’s not a serious reporter these days. Best ignored.

Where else is there relegation?

[Jim44]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

Tom continues his crusade

Absolutely nothing about the negative impact of a 14 team league. I don't think anyone other than Hearts would have objected to 12 12 10 10

He can quote Blackadder ...... I’ll quote Shakespeare - ‘The lady ( in this case English .... well he is a f***y) doth protest too much.’

[Sammy7nil]

He’s absolutely shocking. I cannot believe how bad a reporter Tom English is. Only blinkered venomous reporting from a biased viewpoint is what it looks like to me.

Meanwhile on Kick back it is a brilliant piece and Tom is a genius :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

Where else is there relegation?

The football league in England?


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[Since452]

Tom English has gone from being one of the very few guys on Sportsound that were decent to listen to to an absolute car crash in the space of three months. He's been too stubborn/arrogant to change his opinion on developments and is still having a tantrum over Hearts relegation. He's made himself look a complete fool and not someone I'll be able to take seriously again

[660]

The football league in England?


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I wasn’t having a pop. Genuinely just wanted to know what’s happening elsewhere.

[dchibs]

I think we should ignore TE now he wont change, he just rants on and on and never takes

on other peoples opinion, to me he sounds like Ian Paisley foaming at the top of his voice. If or when Hertz do get promoted we will find out if they push a 14 top league, but I seriously doubt it and I doubt it would ever get voted for cause the format isnt right.

[calumhibee1]

I wasn’t having a pop. Genuinely just wanted to know what’s happening elsewhere.

The football league are doing the same as us and have followed the same procedure in that they had a vote to end the season.

Other leagues are carrying on (EPL, Germany, Spain, Italy etc).

A couple of leagues bypassed the clubs, made the decision without consulting the clubs to end the season and they’re now facing legal issues (France, Belgium).

[greenginger]

Tom English has gone from being one of the very few guys on Sportsound that were decent to listen to to an absolute car crash in the space of three months. He's been too stubborn/arrogant to change his opinion on developments and is still having a tantrum over Hearts relegation. He's made himself look a complete fool and not someone I'll be able to take seriously again

Got to suspect he’s on a bung or some kind of promise from Budge or her funders. :cb

[brog]

An Irishman called English who works in Scotland. Nowonder he's confused!! 😁

[3pm]

An Irishman called English who works in Scotland. Nowonder he's confused!! 😁

You should see what happens when he walks into a bar....

[Jim44]

An Irishman called English who works in Scotland. Nowonder he's confused!! 😁

An Irishman called English who works in Scotland ...... and talks double Dutch :greengrin

[Pete]

This really is an unparallelled situation and one in which all clubs will suffer as a result. Hearts are one of the clubs who will suffer a bigger hit than others down to the fact that they were adrift at the point football was halted.I do think there is a need to acknowledge this and maybe there should have been consideration of an enhanced parachute payment for clubs who were impacted.

The problem with all these big numbers quoted is that no one really knows the impact. Hearts are basing losses on a normal season and the next season will not be normal with the usually planned income streams. There would need to be a big financial model that calculates this and the real cost willl only be known at the end of the season or maybe even beyond that.

Agree on both points. I can see Hearts being awarded damages but nowhere near the amounts they are talking about. I hope it isn't just Hearts though and the other relegated clubs get a bit of an enhancement too.

That would be fair

[Jim44]

Agree on both points. I can see Hearts being awarded damages but nowhere near the amounts they are talking about. I hope it isn't just Hearts though and the other relegated clubs get a bit of an enhancement too.

That would be fair

According to the KB muppets, Partick Thistle have decided against legal action and as far as they are concerned “after we win, Partick can take their own legal action in the knowledge it’s safe to do so”.

[Since452]

Got to suspect he’s on a bung or some kind of promise from Budge or her funders. :cb

I see over on kickback they want to nominate him for a pride of Britain award. Is that still a thing?

[Springbank]

I see over on kickback they want to nominate him for a pride of Britain award. Is that still a thing?

He'll be the last ever winner...

[green day]

I see over on kickback they want to nominate him for a pride of Britain award. Is that still a thing?

Only for "This Morning" viewers living in saughton wearing maroon tank tops and driving a gleaming rover.

[hibbyfraelibby]

An Irishman called English who works in Scotland. Nowonder he's confused!! 😁

The BBC is just as confused...why else would they have their Rugby correspondent (T English), being fed inside lines from the Golf corresponent (B McLaughlan) so they can be tweeted by their Tennis correspondent (K Idsan) dissing football when they have completely competent Football correspondents who cannot get a look in?

[JimBHibees]

The BBC is just as confused...why else would they have their Rugby correspondent (T English), being fed inside lines from the Golf corresponent (B McLaughlan) so they can be tweeted by their Tennis correspondent (K Idsan) dissing football when they have completely competent Football correspondents who cannot get a look in?

Yes surprised how much of a backseat Chris McLaughlin seems to have, he must be devastated to have to play second fiddle about football to a rugby correspondent.

[Pete]

According to the KB muppets, Partick Thistle have decided against legal action and as far as they are concerned “after we win, Partick can take their own legal action in the knowledge it’s safe to do so”.

I think any agreement would have to involve all clubs that have been adversely affected being compensated. After all, Hearts have been banging on about fairness, camaraderie and sticking together since this all started so suddenly taking an individualist approach would make them look rather silly and expose their motives.

Like I said, I wouldn't mind if all clubs were compensated to some degree. Green glasses off, you cant help but say that there is something slightly unfair here. If it were to be an across the board percentage of prize money, then Rangers and Celtic would be paying for most of it anyway. Even Hearts themselves would be contributing

[Radium]

This really is an unparallelled situation and one in which all clubs will suffer as a result. Hearts are one of the clubs who will suffer a bigger hit than others down to the fact that they were adrift at the point football was halted.I do think there is a need to acknowledge this and maybe there should have been consideration of an enhanced parachute payment for clubs who were impacted.

The problem with all these big numbers quoted is that no one really knows the impact. Hearts are basing losses on a normal season and the next season will not be normal with the usually planned income streams. There would need to be a big financial model that calculates this and the real cost willl only be known at the end of the season or maybe even beyond that.

An absolutely sensible suggestion that was ignored by Hearts who have gone for a scorched earth policy.


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[The 90+2]

I see over on kickback they want to nominate him for a pride of Britain award. Is that still a thing?

That’s amazing and surely can’t be true 😂😂😂😂

[Since452]

That’s amazing and surely can’t be true 😂😂😂😂

I think the events of the last few months has damaged some of them

[Rumble de Thump]

Hearts aren't due an extra penny. They were bottom of the league when the season ended. They got relegated. There's nothing unfair about it. Giving them extra money just because they want extra money would be unfair to every other club and simply give Hearts an undeserved advantage.

[Jim44]

Yes surprised how much of a backseat Chris McLaughlin seems to have, he must be devastated to have to play second fiddle about football to a rugby correspondent.

I reckon that Chris McLaughlin is considered a bit of an albatross round the neck of the BBC. They had to take a stand against Rangers because of their treatment of McLaughlin and their self imposed exile from Ibrox must stick in their throats. Rangers are unlikely to back down on their stance against McLaughlin so, until he leaves the BBC, they are unable to jump back into bed with Rangers.

[Pete]

Hearts aren't due an extra penny. They were bottom of the league when the season ended. They got relegated. There's nothing unfair about it. Giving them extra money just because they want extra money would be unfair to every other club and simply give Hearts an undeserved advantage.

That's a very one sided (and understandable) way of looking at things.

Playing devils advocate, we're in the middle of a global pandemic and extreme situations are happening all around, along with extreme ways of helping those impacted.

I think an objective way of finding a solution would involve looking for a happy medium between total reconstruction that inconveniences everyone, and pulling up the drawbridge and saying GTF.

[JimBHibees]

I reckon that Chris McLaughlin is considered a bit of an albatross round the neck of the BBC. They had to take a stand against Rangers because of their treatment of McLaughlin and their self imposed exile from Ibrox must stick in their throats. Rangers are unlikely to back down on their stance against McLaughlin so, until he leaves the BBC, they are unable to jump back into bed with Rangers.

Yes I get that shame for the guy to be honest. Probably need to move to sky or somewhere similar.

[The 90+2]

I think the events of the last few months has damaged some of them

Prized plumbs. Delighted they are goosed.

[The 90+2]

I reckon that Chris McLaughlin is considered a bit of an albatross round the neck of the BBC. They had to take a stand against Rangers because of their treatment of McLaughlin and their self imposed exile from Ibrox must stick in their throats. Rangers are unlikely to back down on their stance against McLaughlin so, until he leaves the BBC, they are unable to jump back into bed with Rangers.

Add Mikey Stewart and Jim Spence to the list.

[jacomo]

You should see what happens when he walks into a bar....


The regular punters turn their backs and pretend they haven’t seen him.

[MrSmith]

That's a very one sided (and understandable) way of looking at things.

Playing devils advocate, we're in the middle of a global pandemic and extreme situations are happening all around, along with extreme ways of helping those impacted.

I think an objective way of finding a solution would involve looking for a happy medium between total reconstruction that inconveniences everyone, and pulling up the drawbridge and saying GTF.

they shouldn’t get anything other than the relegation payment because any further payment affects the sporting integrity of the championship. If hearts got a payment due to the pandemic, every other team should get the same to even it out.

This action or judicial review will last 5 mins in court. Get the tae F*** or the SFA will have no option other than to revoke their licence. FIFA/UEFA will instruct the SFA to do so because Hearts broke the governing rules. It is all in the public domain unfortunately for Dr Budge, our learned friend Mr Deans & their associated financiers, they have not researched this outcome.

In my humble opinion, we are witnessing the breaking of hearts.

[Forza Fred]

Partick have joined Hearts in their legal action

[Rumble de Thump]

That's a very one sided (and understandable) way of looking at things.

Playing devils advocate, we're in the middle of a global pandemic and extreme situations are happening all around, along with extreme ways of helping those impacted.

I think an objective way of finding a solution would involve looking for a happy medium between total reconstruction that inconveniences everyone, and pulling up the drawbridge and saying GTF.

It's not one-sided. It's factual and there no sides. If a person's starting point is that Hearts have been wronged when they haven't been and that we should change the rules that were in place to deal with such a situation then there won't really be any objectivity.

[Forza Fred]

According to the KB muppets, Partick Thistle have decided against legal action and as far as they are concerned “after we win, Partick can take their own legal action in the knowledge it’s safe to do so”.

That's changed!

[Waxy]

Partick have joined Hearts in their legal action

Hearts will pay Partick’s feed and get Partick to do it first to see what happens.

[Ronniekirk]

Partick have joined Hearts in their legal action

Bribed no doubt Budge is hell bent on taking this all the way and dragging g anyone she can into it
They are relentless
Thier now needs to some form of media redress in this it’s all one way


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[Bostonhibby]

Hearts will pay Partick’s feed and get Partick to do it first to see what happens.Excellent chance to tee up Partick as the next fall guys, now the Deans led circus has surely ran its course?

It's a great shame Partick are so poorly led and have been on a very similar trajectory to the poppy thieves since cash started getting thrown at them.

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[Ronniekirk]

Now they have jumped into Bed with Hearts they will end up with a nasty STD


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[hibeerealist]

Bribed no doubt Budge is hell bent on taking this all the way and dragging g anyone she can into it
They are relentless
Thier now needs to some form of media redress in this it’s all one way


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She will see Partick as a big bonus as they really were unfortunate (2 points back with a game in hand) this is all to help Hertz.

One thing I would say is IF JA is funding this too as well as Hertz legal action (he is according to keekback) then he is muddying the waters. We all see him as a decent guy with a philanthropic nature however he could become VERY unpopular over this, aye the Duncans and maybe PT/Stranraer will love him but this is a step into the ring......................

[Jim44]

Anderson’s ‘no strings attached’ gift was a bit disingenious. On the surface, it looked like a generous gesture but it was shrouded in ulterior motive. You just have to look at their comments about how ungrateful everybody is after getting such a nice freebie or, shall we say ‘sweetener’. He and Budge must have known that there was every risk that it would not work, but, for such a wealthy guy, it was a chance worth taking.

[Hibs Class]

That's a very one sided (and understandable) way of looking at things.

Playing devils advocate, we're in the middle of a global pandemic and extreme situations are happening all around, along with extreme ways of helping those impacted.

I think an objective way of finding a solution would involve looking for a happy medium between total reconstruction that inconveniences everyone, and pulling up the drawbridge and saying GTF.

May be better to describe what's happened to Hearts as unlucky rather than unfair. In the circumstances there was no perfect solution, but Dundee United deserved to be promoted more than Hearts deserved to be saved, and a restructuring - temporary or permanent - based on a fag packet solution rather than a properly thought-out approach was always fraught with problems. Hearts' relegation is the least worst option for Scottish football, as evidenced by a substantial majority of clubs agreeing with that position. IMHO this outcome is the happy medium - saving Hearts at any cost would not be.

[Greenworld]

I would love to hear legal people discuss this and give their views . surprising nobody has interviewed a couple of qc's

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[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I thought the SFA rulebook (could be UEFA) stated that a league season consists of a pre agreed number of fixtures OR until the FA say the season is over (giving them the power to call it early, should the need ever occur)

I genuinely feel for the relegated clubs, but dems the rules. they're not being made up as we go. The SFA could've probably handled it better. Could we have returned like other leagues across the UK?

Is there a way we can distribute the new SKY deal for the first year or so to support the clubs further down the pyramid?

[hibeerealist]

I would love to hear legal people discuss this and give their views . surprising nobody has interviewed a couple of qc's

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They clearly see PT as having a better chance of a result than them hence the link up (and probably the fees paid) as they are certainly not doing it out of the goodness of their hertz!!

[Waxy]

I would love to hear legal people discuss this and give their views . surprising nobody has interviewed a couple of qc's

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Donald Findlay said he didnt think hearts would win a case and going to court would cause irreparable damage between them and everyone else.

[Keith_M]

They clearly see PT as having a better chance of a result than them hence the link up (and probably the fees paid) as they are certainly not doing it out of the goodness of their hertz!!


:agree:


I think they see the weakness of their own case and are just latching on to this opportunity.


I get that Hearts and Thistle are unhappy, and I get that they both probably just want a pay out, but I'm still struggling to see what their legal grounds are for taking the SPFL to court.

[PatHead]

I thought the SFA rulebook (could be UEFA) stated that a league season consists of a pre agreed number of fixtures OR until the FA say the season is over (giving them the power to call it early, should the need ever occur)

I genuinely feel for the relegated clubs, but dems the rules. they're not being made up as we go. The SFA could've probably handled it better. Could we have returned like other leagues across the UK?

Is there a way we can distribute the new SKY deal for the first year or so to support the clubs further down the pyramid?

It was the spfl not the sfa who has it in the rulebook.
The season was voted to an end to allow TV money to be distributed.

The English Premiership and Championship are restarting to avoid being hammered by Sky/BT/Prime for a refund.

The Scottish Premiership clubs have far bigger overheads than lower league clubs.

[hibeerealist]

:agree:


I think they see the weakness of their own case and are just latching on to this opportunity.


I get that Hearts and Thistle are unhappy, and I get that they both probably just want a pay out, but I'm still struggling to see what their legal grounds are for taking the SPFL to court.

Aye and we will both leave Stranraer out the equation, very caring.

[Billy Whizz]

It was the spfl not the sfa who has it in the rulebook.

The English Premiership and Championship are restarting to avoid being hammered by Sky/BT/Prime for a refund.

The Scottish Premiership clubs have far bigger overheads than lower league clubs.

They also had to re-start as the overpaid players, wouldn’t take a pay cut
They were moaning about restarting, but it was all in their own hands

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

It was the spfl not the sfa who has it in the rulebook.

The English Premiership and Championship are restarting to avoid being hammered by Sky/BT/Prime for a refund.

The Scottish Premiership clubs have far bigger overheads than lower league clubs.

So as the spfl govern our leagues, this cannot be challenged can it?

[PatHead]

So as the spfl govern our leagues, this cannot be challenged can it?

Hearts and Partick seem to think so.

[dchibs]

Now they have jumped into Bed with Hearts they will end up with a nasty STD


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Doctor Budge will see to that.

[blackpoolhibs]

Partick have joined Hearts in their legal action

Which is why we have to let justice take it's course. Paying out extra money to ANY club affected by this outcome, then opens the door to EVERY club, as every club could theoretically won a place or places further up their league.

And in our case and Livingston's, could have missed out on Europe and the money that could give.

Let the fun begin, anyone with an ounce of sense can see how the authorities have given change every chance, and the fairest outcome for all, not one or two has been reached.

[Dave spart]

Which is why we have to let justice take it's course. Paying out extra money to ANY club affected by this outcome, then opens the door to EVERY club, as every club could theoretically won a place or places further up their league.

And in our case and Livingston's, could have missed out on Europe and the money that could give.

Let the fun begin, anyone with an ounce of sense can see how the authorities have given change every chance, and the fairest outcome for all, not one or two has been reached.
What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

[Cabbage East]

:bye:
What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

:greengrin

[Rumble de Thump]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Are you sitting on a balcony in Bulgaria?

[Cabbage East]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Your post history. Woaft.

You must be absolutely raging mate. Enjoy your trip to Arbroath or are you boycotting them too :bye:

[delbert]

Anderson’s ‘no strings attached’ gift was a bit disingenious. On the surface, it looked like a generous gesture but it was shrouded in ulterior motive. You just have to look at their comments about how ungrateful everybody is after getting such a nice freebie or, shall we say ‘sweetener’. He and Budge must have known that there was every risk that it would not work, but, for such a wealthy guy, it was a chance worth taking.

Yes, the most important thing about this bribe was that it came with no strings attached, aye, right !!

[BroxburnHibee]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Awww ya wee lamb :rotflmao:

[04Sauzee]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Just up your FOH payments then

[Caversham Green]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

First, reconstruction has never saved Hibs - I assume you're an Aberdeen, Motherwell or St Mirren fan.

Second My neighbours are all decent, self sufficient and friendly people who would never dream of calling me or anyone else vermin. for that reason I get on very well with all of them.

Third, Hearts are now where they deserve to be - **** them and all who support them.

[bawheid]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Braw.

[Greencore]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Go on.... Say more, we're waiting... *grabs popcorn*

[Springbank]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

I get on with my neighbours by thanking them for 2-2 at Tynecastle, 1-0 in the replay (it was a money spinner) and for being part of our Scottish Cup winning run.

[BoomtownHibees]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Are you from Saughton by any chance?

[MrSmith]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Awesome! And they wonder why people can't be arsed with them? :thumbsup:

[JeMeSouviens]

That took a bit longer than I thought ... :wink:

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?345430-Ya-Beauty!-We-got-the-easiest-draw!&p=6103820&viewfull=1#post6103820

[Bostonhibby]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.I remember when the Lady Haig poppy fund was collecting for those veterans needed help and look what Hearts done with their money.

No need to help this sort of thieving opportunist out.

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[Barney McGrew]

Championship clubs were split 5 for and 5 against reconstruction.

Every other league voted as a majority against it.

[Jim44]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

This tosser had been lurking around for a wee while and, on occasions has, because he’s obviously naive and thick, nearly blown his cover. By all means, come on here and nose around, even go back to your own midden to inform, mock and sneer ( I’ve done that for years ) but don’t let your emotions and temper get the better of you. It’s safer not to post if you can’t restrain yourself and clearly the present mess his club has created for itself has pushed him over the edge.

[Hillsidehibby]

Are you sitting on a balcony in Bulgaria?

Or solo clapping on the plaza?

[Baader]

Misdirected anger from Dave. Address it at Dr Fudge, Levein, Stendel and that squad of players who won you 4 league games in 15 months. It's not our fault you are crap.

[calumhibee1]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Hahaha. ****ing dry your eyes man. The amount of time spent greeting about this when most Jambos has accepted they were going down before the season was curtailed is incredible.

[Wakeyhibee]

Championship clubs were split 5 for and 5 against reconstruction.

Every other league voted as a majority against it.

So half of them dont want Hearts in their league either, wasnt really a vote for was it . :greengrin

[Waxy]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.Mercer poppies etc.you as a group of supporters must look inwards into your club to find the reason why you finished bottom of the scottish premier league season 2019/20.It isnt anyone elses fault but your own.

[A Hi-Bee]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

**** the hertz, what goes around you know the rest.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[poolman]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.


We have to keep this one 😄

[Aldo]

What an absolute bunch of ****bags you all are. Reconstruction saved us before but when our neighbours need help you all want them expelled. God knows how you get on with neighbours in your street. Peace and love not hate.

Our neighbours are nothing but a bunch of charity robbing self interest egotists.

Being an ex serviceman I will never decry let them forget what they did to the Lady Haig Poppy Fund! Unforgivable.

I’m happy to be a ****bag because I have a clear conscience unlike the Poppy Thieves.

Btw I wouldn’t give that mob anything not even the steam off ma piss!

Now toodle along.


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[Beefster]

Ewan Murray’s having a right hissy fit in The Guardian. ‘Pleasing’ as our pink chums are fond of dribbling.

[Greenworld]

Championship clubs were split 5 for and 5 against reconstruction.

Every other league voted as a majority against it.Has that been published Barney or inside info

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[mjhibby]

Donald Findlay said he didnt think hearts would win a case and going to court would cause irreparable damage between them and everyone else.

That’s the bit that seems blatantly obvious but nobody has asked budge. The fact that only 10 out of 36 clubs( taking out the three relegated clubs and the three in second place who would have been promoted) shows just how much they have peed other clubs off and shows that far from what sportsound and some of the papers suggest the hertz are not liked at all by the vast majority of clubs. The fact remains had it been Hamilton or st mirren relegated none of the last ten or so weeks damage to the reputation of Scottish football would have happened.All the bitterness ,backstabbing and bad faith caused is due to one team and one team only. The now infamous jam farts. Enjoy watching the spl starting on Aug 1. Make sure you keep yourselves occupied in the two months the spl is playing.

[portohibee]

According to my hertz mate they are still the big team though because they're players will be earning more in the championship than ours will in the top league, they just dont get it do they

[Since452]

According to my hertz mate they are still the big team though because they're players will be earning more in the championship than ours will in the top league, they just dont get it do they

I'm sure that thought will comfort him on a rainy Tuesday night in Alloa in February

[04Sauzee]

According to my hertz mate they are still the big team though because they're players will be earning more in the championship than ours will in the top league, they just dont get it do they

Big teams don't start playing until October

[portohibee]

Big teams don't start playing until October

he he, when i pointed out that fact the response was, aye but Rudi, 5-1, forever in our shadow :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Sammy7nil]

he he, when i pointed out that fact the response was, aye but Rudi, 5-1, forever in our shadow :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Next response is that's a lovely warm blanket you have :na na:

[Barney McGrew]

Has that been published Barney or inside info

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It was tweeted by a BBC journalist earlier

[portohibee]

Next response is that's a lovely warm blanket you have :na na:

Sorry, I beat you to it :not worth

[Aldo]

Next response is that's a lovely warm blanket you have :na na:

Nah... my response to this is usually....

Just remember you bumped the Lady Haig Poppy Fund Nd other charities.

Immature, maybe but always hits the spot!


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[jacomo]

Championship clubs were split 5 for and 5 against reconstruction.

Every other league voted as a majority against it.


Hearts ICT and Partick would have been 3 of the yes votes.

[FilipinoHibs]

It was tweeted by a BBC journalist earlier

Take out Hearts and ICT and 5 out of the remaining 8 voted against - 63%.

[Eyrie]

Hearts ICT and Partick would have been 3 of the yes votes.

Partick are a division one club.

My guess would be clubs like Dundee or Dunfermline, as they'd have a better chance of promotion next season if they weren't competing with Hearts.

[Ozyhibby]

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[007]

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Wonder if they'll be brave enough to boycott pretty much all their Premiership away games when they're back up.

[Jim44]

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Who were the three clubs then? I promise I won’t tell Leslie.:greengrin

[Irish_Steve]

Please can we be one of the three - that would really mess with the Fartz heids!

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Big teams don't start playing until October

Will it be October before Championship teams like Arbroath, Alloa and Hearts get to kick off their season?

That’s quite a wait for Championship teams like Arbroath, Alloa and Hearts. [emoji23]

[007]

Who were the three clubs then? I promise I won’t tell Leslie.:greengrin

My guess is Celtic, Livingston and Hamilton.

[matty_f]

Please can we be one of the three - that would really mess with the Fartz heids!

I can't tell you how much I want that to be the case now :faf:

[FilipinoHibs]

My guess is Celtic, Livingston and Hamilton.

Can't see Livi or Hamilton as they would have a high chance of losing revenue and have meaningless games. Those who would loose the least would be the certs for the top 6 - Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen.

[Barney McGrew]

Who were the three clubs then? I promise I won’t tell Leslie.:greengrin

Livingston were one - they’ve been quite clear they support reconstruction all along.

[Onion]

According to my hertz mate they are still the big team though because they're players will be earning more in the championship than ours will in the top league, they just dont get it do they

Fantastic. Look how much we're paying our crap squad of players. Proud :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

One glance at sources of media today and it’s full of threats, bleating and propaganda by Hearts or their apologists. How long is this legal malarky going to drag on?

[Ronniekirk]

One glance at sources of media today and it’s full of threats, bleating and propaganda by Hearts or their apologists. How long is this legal malarky going to drag on?

It’s clear they aren’t going to stop Its going to be relentless unless their is a counter media campaign to co yet them and then both parties agree to let the Courts deal with it
But at present Hearts are getting it all their own way so will be interesting to see if they gather other converts or whether the media get fed up with it
But the current vacuum just now is working g in their favour But people will get sick of hearing about it if they have nothing new to say ,and they have done it to death already


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[Col L]

Deans’ has strong evidence though. This - genuinely! - is a quote from his interview in the Daily Record...

Deans said: “They opened a can of worms that really should have been kept shut.

“You know, when I was five years old, a pal and I were out in a local field catching bees in jam jars. I made the mistake of opening the lid on mine – and I was stung five times. I ran home to my mother and she told me it was all my own bloody fault.

“learned my lesson there and then. If you put bees in a jar, don’t dare take the top off to have a closer look.

“There’s a lesson in there for the SPFL.”



... I think the SPFL’s legal team would have little trouble proving that there is a difference between worms and bees.


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[JimBHibees]

Livingston were one - they’ve been quite clear they support reconstruction all along.

Les Gray from Hamilton said they voted for, don't really understand why but he said it.

[Waxy]

Jambos burning many bridges because the rules dont suit them.
Shame.

[Waxy]

Les Gray from Hamilton said they voted for, don't really understand why but he said it.

I understand that, easier for them to stay in the prem with 14 but another club not bothered about Scottish footballs long term health.

[JimBHibees]

I understand that, easier for them to stay in the prem with 14 but another club not bothered about Scottish footballs long term health.

Not sure it would be easier if 14 if 2 down and play off each season.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Les Gray from Hamilton said they voted for, don't really understand why but he said it.

He has been for permenant change to 14. This was pretty much permenat given it was for 5 years and once in place would be easier to extend as it would then be on the 75% rule not the 90% one so 10:4 only required

[calumhibee1]

He has been for permenant change to 14. This was pretty much permenat given it was for 5 years and once in place would be easier to extend as it would then be on the 75% rule not the 90% one so 10:4 only required

Was it not permanent?

[calumhibee1]

Not sure it would be easier if 14 if 2 down and play off each season.

:agree:

This set up would have been smelling for the teams always down the bottom of the league.

[BoomtownHibees]

Was it not permanent?

The last one was for permanent

[Ozyhibby]

One glance at sources of media today and it’s full of threats, bleating and propaganda by Hearts or their apologists. How long is this legal malarky going to drag on?

It’s all very well threatening it but when are they going to produce the goods?
They are going to have to show which law was broken whether it be company law, civil, competition or criminal law. Otherwise they will need to show the SPFL broke its own rules. They need an actual rule or law to have been broken. So far they haven’t even suggested which law has been broken?
They won’t even get near the court if all they are saying is that it seems unfair.


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[Jones28]

Deans’ has strong evidence though. This - genuinely! - is a quote from his interview in the Daily Record...

Deans said: “They opened a can of worms that really should have been kept shut.

“You know, when I was five years old, a pal and I were out in a local field catching bees in jam jars. I made the mistake of opening the lid on mine – and I was stung five times. I ran home to my mother and she told me it was all my own bloody fault.

“learned my lesson there and then. If you put bees in a jar, don’t dare take the top off to have a closer look.

“There’s a lesson in there for the SPFL.”



... I think the SPFL’s legal team would have little trouble proving that there is a difference between worms and bees.


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Jesus wept, that’s the evidence? Did that anecdote come with lashings of ginger ale?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Was it not permanent?

I stand corrected. Which means he was voting for what he wanted all along.

[Col L]

Jesus wept, that’s the evidence? Did that anecdote come with lashings of ginger ale?

Ooh to, ooh to BEE!


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[Waxy]

Not sure it would be easier if 14 if 2 down and play off each season.

Not certain it was two down and a playoff.Someone mentioned it was going to be a straight two down and nothing else.

[Bostonhibby]

Deans’ has strong evidence though. This - genuinely! - is a quote from his interview in the Daily Record...

Deans said: “They opened a can of worms that really should have been kept shut.

“You know, when I was five years old, a pal and I were out in a local field catching bees in jam jars. I made the mistake of opening the lid on mine – and I was stung five times. I ran home to my mother and she told me it was all my own bloody fault.

“learned my lesson there and then. If you put bees in a jar, don’t dare take the top off to have a closer look.

“There’s a lesson in there for the SPFL.”



... I think the SPFL’s legal team would have little trouble proving that there is a difference between worms and bees.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSo if Doncaster is paying attention the moral of this tale is don't steal your pals bees?



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[PatHead]

Deans’ has strong evidence though. This - genuinely! - is a quote from his interview in the Daily Record...

Deans said: “They opened a can of worms that really should have been kept shut.

“You know, when I was five years old, a pal and I were out in a local field catching bees in jam jars. I made the mistake of opening the lid on mine – and I was stung five times. I ran home to my mother and she told me it was all my own bloody fault.

“learned my lesson there and then. If you put bees in a jar, don’t dare take the top off to have a closer look.

“There’s a lesson in there for the SPFL.”



... I think the SPFL’s legal team would have little trouble proving that there is a difference between worms and bees.


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And that made it into the papers? No wonder I don't read the record.

Regarding the propoganda-it will last until Sevco or Celtic come out and say it is correct for them to go down and unfair on all other clubs to share the costs.

[Keith_M]

Deans’ has strong evidence though. This - genuinely! - is a quote from his interview in the Daily Record...

Deans said: “They opened a can of worms that really should have been kept shut.

“You know, when I was five years old, a pal and I were out in a local field catching bees in jam jars. I made the mistake of opening the lid on mine – and I was stung five times. I ran home to my mother and she told me it was all my own bloody fault.

“learned my lesson there and then. If you put bees in a jar, don’t dare take the top off to have a closer look.

“There’s a lesson in there for the SPFL.”


... I think the SPFL’s legal team would have little trouble proving that there is a difference between worms and bees.


So now we know why Leslie Deans hates the Hi-Bees.

Doesn't explain why he can't tell the difference between a can of Worms and a jar of Bees, though.

[mal]

So now we know why Leslie Deans hates the Hi-Bees.

Doesn't explain why he can't tell the difference between a can of Worms and a jar of Bees, though.

Bees are vitally important pollinating insects. A more accurate invertebrate analogy for Hearts would be ticks or fleas.

[greenpaper55]

So now we know why Leslie Deans hates the Hi-Bees.

Doesn't explain why he can't tell the difference between a can of Worms and a jar of Bees, though.

Ha ha, that is brilliant !

[Waxy]

Deans’ has strong evidence though. This - genuinely! - is a quote from his interview in the Daily Record...

Deans said: “They opened a can of worms that really should have been kept shut.

“You know, when I was five years old, a pal and I were out in a local field catching bees in jam jars. I made the mistake of opening the lid on mine – and I was stung five times. I ran home to my mother and she told me it was all my own bloody fault.

“learned my lesson there and then. If you put bees in a jar, don’t dare take the top off to have a closer look.

“There’s a lesson in there for the SPFL.”



... I think the SPFL’s legal team would have little trouble proving that there is a difference between worms and bees.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSurely you shouldnt be putting bees in the jar in the first instance?

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Deans’ has strong evidence though. This - genuinely! - is a quote from his interview in the Daily Record...

Deans said: “They opened a can of worms that really should have been kept shut.

“You know, when I was five years old, a pal and I were out in a local field catching bees in jam jars. I made the mistake of opening the lid on mine – and I was stung five times. I ran home to my mother and she told me it was all my own bloody fault.

“learned my lesson there and then. If you put bees in a jar, don’t dare take the top off to have a closer look.

“There’s a lesson in there for the SPFL.”



... I think the SPFL’s legal team would have little trouble proving that there is a difference between worms and bees.


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I think the real lesson missed here is stop being a wee, specky jambo tw@t.

[Barney McGrew]

The five teams for the Championship that voted in favour have been confirmed:

Hertz
ICT
Dundee
Morton
Arbroath

[FilipinoHibs]

The five teams for the Championship that voted in favour have been confirmed:

Hertz
ICT
Dundee
Morton
Arbroath

Who by? They know who to boycott now.

[Kojock]

And that made it into the papers? No wonder I don't read the record.

Regarding the propoganda-it will last until Sevco or Celtic come out and say it is correct for them to go down and unfair on all other clubs to share the costs.

If and it's a big if they get an interdict to delay the start of the SPL season and Sevco and Celtic are prevented from playing in Europe the press will soon turn on them.

[MrSmith]

If and it's a big if they get an interdict to delay the start of the SPL season and Sevco and Celtic are prevented from playing in Europe the press will soon turn on them.

They only have one option under international sporting law and that is to take it to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) otherwise they face revocation of licence or expulsion from the SPFL.

Those teams playing in European competition will not look lightly upon the jumbos should their interdict delay the start of the season. I think it is Celtic, The Rangers, Aberdeen and Motherwell who would stand to lose probably 10s on millions of £s between them therefore, would feel rightly aggrieved at the impact of such sizeable losses and most likely sue Hearts.

If Hearts won compensation, it would be gone and then some in the above scenario. If I were ND, take it to court and from there we will see.

[007]

Deans’ has strong evidence though. This - genuinely! - is a quote from his interview in the Daily Record...

Deans said: “They opened a can of worms that really should have been kept shut.

“You know, when I was five years old, a pal and I were out in a local field catching bees in jam jars. I made the mistake of opening the lid on mine – and I was stung five times. I ran home to my mother and she told me it was all my own bloody fault.

“learned my lesson there and then. If you put bees in a jar, don’t dare take the top off to have a closer look.

“There’s a lesson in there for the SPFL.”



... I think the SPFL’s legal team would have little trouble proving that there is a difference between worms and bees.


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That's up there with Cantona's seagulls following the trawler and Caixhina's dogs barking and the caravan keeps going (which I believe is actually a phrase, albeit a bit random).

[Ozyhibby]

If Hearts has such a rock solid case surely they would have served papers or whatever happens by now?


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[weecounty hibby]

They only have one option under international sporting law and that is to take it to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) otherwise they face revocation of licence or expulsion from the SPFL.

Those teams playing in European competition will not look lightly upon the jumbos should their interdict delay the start of the season. I think it is Celtic, The Rangers, Aberdeen and Motherwell who would stand to lose probably 10s on millions of £s between them therefore, would feel rightly aggrieved at the impact of such sizeable losses and most likely sue Hearts.

If Hearts won compensation, it would be gone and then some in the above scenario. If I were ND, take it to court and from there we will see.

I just posted similar on another thread. If I was celtic I would be making it known that they would not look favourably upon any delay in competing

[Dashing Bob S]

The five teams for the Championship that voted in favour have been confirmed:

Hertz
ICT
Dundee
Morton
Arbroath

Big boost for Scottish football that the ‘maroon derby’ won’t be effected by any attendance boycott.

[mal]

That's up there with Cantona's seagulls following the trawler and Caixhina's dogs barking and the caravan keeps going (which I believe is actually a phrase, albeit a bit random).

Off topic, but I've never understood what the problem was with Cantona's "seagulls following the trawler" phrase. It was surely just a reference to the sort of scavenging journalist who hangs around celebrities hoping to pick up scraps. Perhaps like the DR "journalist" who once wrote a story about how Cantona was a big fan of Rambo, Sylvester Stallone's action hero character. Cantona was actually a big fan of Rimbaud, the French poet.

[Andy74]

Off topic, but I've never understood what the problem was with Cantona's "seagulls following the trawler" phrase. It was surely just a reference to the sort of scavenging journalist who hangs around celebrities hoping to pick up scraps. Perhaps like the DR "journalist" who once wrote a story about how Cantona was a big fan of Rambo, Sylvester Stallone's action hero character. Cantona was actually a big fan of Rimbaud, the French poet.

Agree. It was clear enough.

[James Stephen]

Agree. It was clear enough.

Not if youre a simple sports hack whose idea of a literary flourish is to call a young goalie 'kid gloves'

[G B Young]

Question:

When it's clear that Covid-19 is the reason Scottish football (along with the majority of other industries around the globe) is facing such a challenging future, why are certain pundits hell bent on trying to argue that the failure to agree a reconstruction model is actually the reason?

Apart from not relegating Hearts, Partick and Stranraer, what is it about reconstruction that would supposedly have spared the Scottish game such hardship? I honestly can't see how Scottish football as a whole would be in a healthier position.

[A Hi-Bee]

They only have one option under international sporting law and that is to take it to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) otherwise they face revocation of licence or expulsion from the SPFL.

Those teams playing in European competition will not look lightly upon the jumbos should their interdict delay the start of the season. I think it is Celtic, The Rangers, Aberdeen and Motherwell who would stand to lose probably 10s on millions of £s between them therefore, would feel rightly aggrieved at the impact of such sizeable losses and most likely sue Hearts.

If Hearts won compensation, it would be gone and then some in the above scenario. If I were ND, take it to court and from there we will see.

Let them go to CAS, then kick them oot send them doon to engerland to play in division 16 or whatever.

[brog]

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So, to summarise,
Hearts needed to win 11-1 on the top flight votes.
Their ex Chairman told all & sundry through his Sickbag besty that the vote was currently 10-2 with only Hibs & Ross C standing against reconstruction & a glorious future.
The actual vote was 3-9!
Demented Deans, finger firmly on the pulse of Scottish football!!
Ann Budge, Tom English, Neil McCann etc etc, your boys took one hell of a beating!!

[G B Young]

Agree. It was clear enough.

Yes, it just suited football journos better to play up to the 'mad Frenchman' narrative. It's tended to be the way that if you don't conform to a certain 'type' in the game that you're deemed an anomaly. Pat Nevin was a good example, regarded as a bit freakish for liking Indie music.

At least guys like Cantona and Nevin knew what they were talking about. I noticed our old pal allisbarry trying to compare Hearts' plight to the legal principle of Double Jeopardy the other day. Not sure he fully understood what it actually means.

[MacGruber]

Question:

When it's clear that Covid-19 is the reason Scottish football (along with the majority of other industries around the globe) is facing such a challenging future, why are certain pundits hell bent on trying to argue that the failure to agree a reconstruction model is actually the reason?

Apart from not relegating Hearts, Partick and Stranraer, what is it about reconstruction that would supposedly have spared the Scottish game such hardship? I honestly can't see how Scottish football as a whole would be in a healthier position.

Answer:

If reconstruction was agreed the SFA would have awarded each of the 42 clubs peace and love tokens which could be cashed in for £10 million each and Sturgeon would have banned the Covid 19 virus from Scottish football players, staff and fans. SKY would rebrand Scottish football in adverts of hippy like flowers and rainbows renegotiating the TV deal for an extra £500 million.

Something like that

[Wakeyhibee]

If Hearts has such a rock solid case surely they would have served papers or whatever happens by now?


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Might of missed it but if Hearts have given Partick the money to join the legal battle, then they are not sure enough of winning themselves.

Time is running out and with UEFA fixtures out means an interdict now is far more powerful and destructive (to all)
than it would of been a month or more back.

I presume they're weighing up which way to go legally.

[CapitalGreen]

Might of missed it but if Hearts have given Partick the money to join the legal battle, then they are not sure enough of winning themselves.

Time is running out and with UEFA fixtures out means an interdict now is far more powerful and destructive (to all)
than it would of been a month or more back.

I presume they're weighing up which way to go legally.

If Hearts were funding Partick’s legal fees they would have included Stranraer too. The money for Partick’s fees will be from Colin Weir’s estate most likely.

[Jim44]

They only have one option under international sporting law and that is to take it to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) otherwise they face revocation of licence or expulsion from the SPFL.

Those teams playing in European competition will not look lightly upon the jumbos should their interdict delay the start of the season. I think it is Celtic, The Rangers, Aberdeen and Motherwell who would stand to lose probably 10s on millions of £s between them therefore, would feel rightly aggrieved at the impact of such sizeable losses and most likely sue Hearts.

If Hearts won compensation, it would be gone and then some in the above scenario. If I were ND, take it to court and from there we will see.

Despite the potential financial problems it would cause them, the Rangers muppets on FF are backing Hearts in their campaign to take the SPFL to court. They’re hoping that the league will be made null and void, stopping Celtic winning the championship and that Doncaster will be removed.

[MrSmith]

Despite the potential financial problems it would cause them, the Rangers muppets on FF are backing Hearts in their campaign to take the SPFL to court. They’re hoping that the league will be made null and void, stopping Celtic winning the championship and that Doncaster will be removed.

Actions of the Rangers fans can be utterly breathtaking at times!

[Wakeyhibee]

If Hearts were funding Partick’s legal fees they would have included Stranraer too. The money for Partick’s fees will be from Colin Weir’s estate most likely.

Possible, I live in Largs and understood from media (not reliable I know) that most of his donations were for specific use. Sure I saw it reported he left £2m to them when he passed on prior to all this, so I suspect something's changed recently.

Edit media say the £2m was for the south terrace and
main stand. Between his firm and Frihill Developements

[Onion]

If and it's a big if they get an interdict to delay the start of the SPL season and Sevco and Celtic are prevented from playing in Europe the press will soon turn on them.

You bet. Hearts are the media darlings at the moment, but if they piss off the bigoted twins and cost the potentially millions, that will evaporate and they'll be destroyed.

[Waxy]

I have a vision of hearts applying to join the East of Scotland league.

[Andy74]

Actions of the Rangers fans can be utterly breathtaking at times!

Bizarrely, whilst we have been focused on Hearts and of course the fact reconstruction would just be crap, the majority of traffic on this issue on Twitter has been Rangers fans who think this whole thing has been concocted to hand Celtic a league.

If ever a concoction wasn't actually needed it would be that one.

[Kojock]

The Jambo flumps were apoplectic yesterday when the Albion Rovers chairman revealed he voted no to reconstruction as it would cost them a fortune to travel to Brora. I don’t know if he actually said that but it certainly wound them up 😂

[Jim44]

Bizarrely, whilst we have been focused on Hearts and of course the fact reconstruction would just be crap, the majority of traffic on this issue on Twitter has been Rangers fans who think this whole thing has been concocted to hand Celtic a league.

If ever a concoction wasn't actually needed it would be that one.

These muppets think that Lawwell has some Svengali powers over everybody in Scottish football. I understand that he treads on lots of toes, has lots of enemies in board rooms in Scottish football and could be a real barsteward, but is he as powerful as they make him out to be?

[Peevemor]

Bizarrely, whilst we have been focused on Hearts and of course the fact reconstruction would just be crap, the majority of traffic on this issue on Twitter has been Rangers fans who think this whole thing has been concocted to hand Celtic a league.

If ever a concoction wasn't actually needed it would be that one.

And Hearts fans are convinced that the whole thing is a conspirancy to "expel" them.

Strange people.

[Bostonhibby]

And Hearts fans are convinced that the whole thing is a conspirancy to "expel" them.

Strange people.Beat St Mirren in the last competitive match and you don't get "expelled".

Nae luck jambos.

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[Scorrie]

I have a vision of hearts applying to join the East of Scotland league.

Aye but in Conference B though. No fast track to the EoS Premier division

[hibeerealist]

If Hearts were funding Partick’s legal fees they would have included Stranraer too. The money for Partick’s fees will be from Colin Weir’s estate most likely.

OR one of JA's philanthropic colleagues????

[Jim44]

If Hearts were funding Partick’s legal fees they would have included Stranraer too. The money for Partick’s fees will be from Colin Weir’s estate most likely.


OR one of JA's philanthropic colleagues????

If JA is the person behind all these ‘generous’ gestures, is there not a point where a conflict of interest comes into play? I wish the SPFL had told him to stuff his cash, right at the very beginning.

[EI255]

If JA is the person behind all these ‘generous’ gestures, is there not a point where a conflict of interest comes into play? I wish the SPFL had told him to stuff his cash, right at the very beginning.As it stands, he's set to lose a lot of personal wealth if / when the court cases fail. Which they will.

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[EI255]

Despite the potential financial problems it would cause them, the Rangers muppets on FF are backing Hearts in their campaign to take the SPFL to court. They’re hoping that the league will be made null and void, stopping Celtic winning the championship and that Doncaster will be removed.I honestly cannot wait for this whole thing to end and Hearts and Rangers lose AGAIN!! Hahaha [emoji16]

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[grunt]

If Hearts were funding Partick’s legal fees they would have included Stranraer too. The money for Partick’s fees will be from Colin Weir’s estate most likely.I'm not sure I understand why having Partick on the claim should cost any more. Isn't it just a case of adding their name to the papers when served?

[Jim44]

I'm not sure I understand why having Partick on the claim should cost any more. Isn't it just a case of adding their name to the papers when served?

Maybe the costs for the action might not be significant, but the Hearts ‘funding’ might be an insurance against costs if they lose the case.

[MrSmith]

Maybe the costs for the action might not be significant, but the Hearts ‘funding’ might be an insurance against costs if they lose the case.

They will lose this action and much more if not careful.

I really do think we are witnessing the end of Hearts. Their self serving hatred and bile is overwhelming logic.

Admin, liquidation, revocation or expulsion, make your choice? FIFA/UEFA will not back 3 clubs over 42 nor those who take local action against their affiliated association. The Jumbos are making horrendous errors of judgement.

[Kato]

They will lose this action and much more if not careful.

I really do think we are witnessing the end of Hearts. Their self serving hatred and bile is overwhelming logic.

Admin, liquidation, revocation or expulsion, make your choice? FIFA/UEFA will not back 3 clubs over 42 nor those who take local action against their affiliated association. The Jumbos are making horrendous errors of judgement.Fingers crossed.

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[Dashing Bob S]

Terrible the way Hearts have been treated. Anyone would think they were bottom of the league...

[Kato]

Terrible the way Hearts have been treated. Anyone would think they were bottom of the league...Correct.

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[Brunswickbill]

Apologies if this has already been answered. dDoes anyone have a list of the teams that supported reconstruction. Kheredine Idessane has confirmed that the Championship clubs that supported reconstruction were Hearts, Dunfermline, Morton, Arbroath and Inverness. Presumably Raith, Falkirk and Stranraer in League 1 Supported and in League 2 Cove Rangers and Edinburgh City . In the Premiership Hamilton were in favour. That gives 11. Are my assumptions correct and who were the other 5 clubs?

[CapitalGreen]

Apologies if this has already been answered. dDoes anyone have a list of the teams that supported reconstruction. Kheredine Idessane has confirmed that the Championship clubs that supported reconstruction were Hearts, Dunfermline, Morton, Arbroath and Inverness. Presumably Raith, Falkirk and Stranraer in League 1 Supported and in League 2 Cove Rangers and Edinburgh City . In the Premiership Hamilton were in favour. That gives 11. Are my assumptions correct and who were the other 5 clubs?

Raith would have voted as a Championship club and Cove as a league 1 club. Stranraer would have voted as a League 2 club.

[Radium]

If JA is the person behind all these ‘generous’ gestures, is there not a point where a conflict of interest comes into play? I wish the SPFL had told him to stuff his cash, right at the very beginning.

He didn’t give his money to the SPFL, he gave it to the SPFL Charity Trust.


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[Danderhall Hibs]

Despite the potential financial problems it would cause them, the Rangers muppets on FF are backing Hearts in their campaign to take the SPFL to court. They’re hoping that the league will be made null and void, stopping Celtic winning the championship and that Doncaster will be removed.

I reckon Rangers would pay the full £8m* if it meant the league was voided.

*figure accurate at the time of posting but is likely to increase over the next few days.

[MrSmith]

I reckon Rangers would pay the full £8m* if it meant the league was voided.

*figure accurate at the time of posting but is likely to increase over the next few days.

Aim high end low. Unfortunately the jumbos cannot get any lower.

If I were a fan, I’d be completely and utterly embarrassed by their actions.

[Tug Wilson]

Off topic, but I've never understood what the problem was with Cantona's "seagulls following the trawler" phrase. It was surely just a reference to the sort of scavenging journalist who hangs around celebrities hoping to pick up scraps. Perhaps like the DR "journalist" who once wrote a story about how Cantona was a big fan of Rambo, Sylvester Stallone's action hero character. Cantona was actually a big fan of Rimbaud, the French poet.

This. Exactly what I thought he meant.

[jacomo]

Apologies if this has already been answered. dDoes anyone have a list of the teams that supported reconstruction. Kheredine Idessane has confirmed that the Championship clubs that supported reconstruction were Hearts, Dunfermline, Morton, Arbroath and Inverness. Presumably Raith, Falkirk and Stranraer in League 1 Supported and in League 2 Cove Rangers and Edinburgh City . In the Premiership Hamilton were in favour. That gives 11. Are my assumptions correct and who were the other 5 clubs?


Make sure you share the list with Leslie Deans when you have it.

[hibeerealist]

Aim high end low. Unfortunately the jumbos cannot get any lower.

If I were a fan, I’d be completely and utterly embarrassed by their actions.

Not that lot they are all for it and probably one of the main reasons Budgie has gone down the legal route. They want as many clubs as poss bankrupt or skint as there is only one team safe financially, you guessed it them!!!

Deluded is a word specifically apt to the Duncans.

[Waxy]

Can we just have an iou and not pay them?
Like they did with the poppy fund and £26m worth of creditors?

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[norphy]

Three months slagging off ND ,now he's on the discipline committee at UEFA. Jambo's must be loving this.. [emoji16]

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