NO to reconstruction

[Potty78]

Over the road seem to think Dempster wants reconstruction but Ron is saying no. Interesting how they think they know so much about our club! Press to realise a story on a fallout soon. Anyone know anything on here? Surely if there are 5 clubs in spl who indicate today they are a no then that's it!

[jacomo]

Just read the Leslie Deans open letter.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/leslie-deans-open-letter-spfl-reconstruction-2883991

Wow.

The arrogance, hypocrisy and pomposity of these people is quite incredible.

He’s demanding that Neil Doncaster act with honesty and integrity... how about some of that from Hearts?

Let’s be honest: if they hadn’t finished 12th, they wouldn’t care about reconstruction.

And Budge was resolutely against a permanent reconstruction but now she’s all for it? Where is the integrity in that?

I am a little concerned that some Hearts-minded judge might find a way to bend the rules in their favour if it went to court... but it will take some doing because their case seems weak and public opinion will be against them.

Let’s end this farce.

[Caversham Green]

Just read the Leslie Deans open letter.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/leslie-deans-open-letter-spfl-reconstruction-2883991

Wow.

The arrogance, hypocrisy and pomposity of these people is quite incredible.

He’s demanding that Neil Doncaster act with honesty and integrity... how about some of that from Hearts?

Let’s be honest: if they hadn’t finished 12th, they wouldn’t care about reconstruction.

And Budge was resolutely against a permanent reconstruction but now she’s all for it? Where is the integrity in that?

I am a little concerned that some Hearts-minded judge might find a way to bend the rules in their favour if it went to court... but it will take some doing because their case seems weak and public opinion will be against them.

Let’s end this farce.

I posted on the PM board yesterday that I think they're angling for an out of court settlement now. Deans' letter lays out how bad he thinks it could get and how much it might cost - he could have ended it by saying "Now make us an offer."

If that is the case I trust the SPFL board will see how ridiculous the claims are and offer a couple of hundred thousand - I reckon they'd be biting hands off for half a million.

[greenpaper55]

Just read the Leslie Deans open letter.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/leslie-deans-open-letter-spfl-reconstruction-2883991

Wow.

The arrogance, hypocrisy and pomposity of these people is quite incredible.

He’s demanding that Neil Doncaster act with honesty and integrity... how about some of that from Hearts?

Let’s be honest: if they hadn’t finished 12th, they wouldn’t care about reconstruction.

And Budge was resolutely against a permanent reconstruction but now she’s all for it? Where is the integrity in that?

I am a little concerned that some Hearts-minded judge might find a way to bend the rules in their favour if it went to court... but it will take some doing because their case seems weak and public opinion will be against them.

Let’s end this farce.

That letter is a disgrace, if he is so confident of winning a court case then what is he bothered about ? He is not making many friends out there with all these threats that's for sure so lets hope the other chairmen see through him ?

[Caversham Green]

Over the road seem to think Dempster wants reconstruction but Ron is saying no. Interesting how they think they know so much about our club! Press to realise a story on a fallout soon. Anyone know anything on here? Surely if there are 5 clubs in spl who indicate today they are a no then that's it!

That came from the same source as the £25m holding company debt of a few years ago that was proven without doubt to be non-existent. The source is some weirdo Duncan's limited imagination.

[we are hibs]

Keith Jackson (an absolute cretin not to be trusted) has said in his column that Hibs are against reconstruction and havent shifted their stance throughout. Also said Ross County are against and suggested st.mirren are the same.

[berwickhibee]

Get the feeling that this will be pushed through over the next week or so.

Corruption and Bribery in full view to us all.

It's dragged on way too long for there not to be change.

Hope I'm wrong but it would by typical hearts-the club with No shame.

[James Stephen]

Over the road seem to think Dempster wants reconstruction but Ron is saying no. Interesting how they think they know so much about our club! Press to realise a story on a fallout soon. Anyone know anything on here? Surely if there are 5 clubs in spl who indicate today they are a no then that's it!

But even if that was true, what would it mean?

I had to do things i didnt particularly agree with at my work all the time, because those higher up want it.

Ron is the owner, and Dempster will always have to carry out the will of the Board, and the owner.

I suspect its bollocks anyway. Voting for this proposal will costs 100s of thousands in lost revenue from tv and from crowds. What chief exec could recommend that action to their board?

[vuefrom1875]

So...

Today's The Day (part 327)

Part 8023😉

[InchHibby]

Just read the Leslie Deans open letter.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/leslie-deans-open-letter-spfl-reconstruction-2883991

Wow.

The arrogance, hypocrisy and pomposity of these people is quite incredible.

He’s demanding that Neil Doncaster act with honesty and integrity... how about some of that from Hearts?

Let’s be honest: if they hadn’t finished 12th, they wouldn’t care about reconstruction.

And Budge was resolutely against a permanent reconstruction but now she’s all for it? Where is the integrity in that?

I am a little concerned that some Hearts-minded judge might find a way to bend the rules in their favour if it went to court... but it will take some doing because their case seems weak and public opinion will be against them.

Let’s end this farce.
This is it in a nutshell, if it were any other club bar Hearts, and that includes us, at the foot of the table we wouldn’t be having this debate.

[greenpaper55]

I heard Deans on his first radio talk and he did mention and he alluded that some sort of compensation would be the least that Hearts were due. Now if they had made this their primary case they might have had a fair chance of getting something instead of these bully boy tactics they have now adopted, they are desperate now and it shows that with every nutty outburst.

[green day]

Keith Jackson (an absolute cretin not to be trusted) has said in his column that Hibs are against reconstruction and havent shifted their stance throughout. Also said Ross County are against and suggested st.mirren are the same.

I dont rate Jackson as a writer, but he often sees how the wind is blowing - and what he says about the Championship clubs relating to Scott Gardiner rings true to me.

Many of them might feel sorry for Thistle, and have some guilt after Jackie Lows statement the other day - but does that mean they will promote ICT after the way Gardiner has acted? While Hearts and ICT will certainly vote for it, there are a lot of clubs that will dig their heels in.

[JimBHibees]

Over the road seem to think Dempster wants reconstruction but Ron is saying no. Interesting how they think they know so much about our club! Press to realise a story on a fallout soon. Anyone know anything on here? Surely if there are 5 clubs in spl who indicate today they are a no then that's it!

Not a chance imo no benefit to Hibs voting for this. Would also want a slightly more reliable source than a rabid Hearts fan on kickback. :greengrin

[Andy74]

Interesting on Twitter the Hearts fans seem to have grasped that the clubs can agree to a shorter season and that is good enough to be able to agree things like promotion...

[JimBHibees]

Get the feeling that this will be pushed through over the next week or so.

Corruption and Bribery in full view to us all.

It's dragged on way too long for there not to be change.

Hope I'm wrong but it would by typical hearts-the club with No shame.

Genuinely can't see it to be honest.

[berwickhibee]

Genuinely can't see it to be honest.

Really hope you are right Jim, but that niggling feeling
That they will squirm out of it persists in me, would
Love it if today was the day that the cheats got their medicine💚

[mayo hibee]

Would like this to be all wrapped up today but I think they will push it to a final vote and we'll have to endure one final week of this nonsense.

Pretty sure the real reason for moving to the vote will be to demonstrate that the SPFL tried every avenue to avoid relegating Hearts to cover themselves in any future legal challenge.

However, as long as this rumbles on, there's always a small chance it could get pushed through. If Hearts get through today in one piece I'd expect them to throw the kitchen sink at it this week, funding promises, threats, statements, the lot.

It does feel as though the longer they are dragging this on the less sympathy they are getting from within the game however. A smarter club might have cut their losses a few weeks ago.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Interesting on Twitter the Hearts fans seem to have grasped that the clubs can agree to a shorter season and that is good enough to be able to agree things like promotion...

Yeah we’ll need to assume the Jambos will refuse to play in a truncated Championship because that would be unfair and lack in integrity, deciding promotion with a quarter of a usual league season remaining is just wrong.

[Rumble de Thump]

Hearts aren't due any compensation. They were bottom of the league when the season ended so they get a parachute payment like every other team that gets relegated.

[JimBHibees]

Really hope you are right Jim, but that niggling feeling
That they will squirm out of it persists in me, would
Love it if today was the day that the cheats got their medicine💚

Hope I am right as well. :greengrin Too much to lose for a fair number of top league sides. Can see it going to a final vote but hope teams stay strong as that is when it could get dodgy.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Just read the Leslie Deans open letter.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/leslie-deans-open-letter-spfl-reconstruction-2883991

Wow.

The arrogance, hypocrisy and pomposity of these people is quite incredible.

He’s demanding that Neil Doncaster act with honesty and integrity... how about some of that from Hearts?

Let’s be honest: if they hadn’t finished 12th, they wouldn’t care about reconstruction.

And Budge was resolutely against a permanent reconstruction but now she’s all for it? Where is the integrity in that?

I am a little concerned that some Hearts-minded judge might find a way to bend the rules in their favour if it went to court... but it will take some doing because their case seems weak and public opinion will be against them.

Let’s end this farce.

Why is the EEN giving this guy so much attention?

Is he anything official in hearts anymore?

[calumhibee1]

Hearts aren't due any compensation. They were bottom of the league when the season ended so they get a parachute payment like every other team that gets relegated.

A league that they voted to end with them bottom.

[007]

Exec powers are in the rules. Covid is biggest threat to game since WWII, doesn't get any more extreme than that. Expect a few twists and turns to come.

No they're not. The board would be outwith the rules if they acted against what the clubs had voted. Tell us which rule allows the board to overrule a vote.

[lucky]

Today’s the biggest day in Ron Gordon’s tender as Hibs majority shareholder, if Hibs vote to accept reconstruction then his relationship with the support will be gone.
It’s time for the clubs to put this matter to bed once and for all. No more mucking about just a make a decision and let the clubs take their medicine whether that’s relegation or the wrath of their support.

[Caversham Green]

No they're not. The board would be outwith the rules if they acted against what the clubs had voted. Tell us which rule allows the board to overrule a vote.

Executive powers usually exist to cope with an emergency - i.e. something that needs immediate action. Given that this has rumbled on for two months and we still don't have a comprehensive proposal it's anything but an emergency.

[McSwanky]

****ing sick of the 'no club left behind' bollocks from Hearts and their pals.

Let's talk about sporting integrity and ensuring nobody loses out. (And let's forget about Hibs for a minute.)

1. Hearts. Bottom of the league. An automatic relegation place. If the season had been able to be completed (which they voted AGAINST), they would have had a slight chance of getting into the play-off, giving them an ever so slightly bigger chance of avoiding relegation. Still, 4 points adrift of the play-off place and 6 points adrift of actual safety doesn't look like good odds to me.
2. Dundee Utd. Top of the Championship. Automatic promotion. About the only thing that has been done right.
3. Inverness. 4 points ahead of Dundee. Play-off place. Automatic promotion why? They have barely any larger chance of going up than Dundee, and yet they are automatically added to the expanded Premiership?
4. Dundee. Pretty much a stick-on for a play-off place. Which gives them IMO as much chance as Hearts as being in the Premiership next season. They get nothing.
5. Ayr Utd. Look good for a play-off place as well. Which gives them almost the same chance as Dundee of going up to the Premiership. Nothing.
6. Arbroath. Having probably their best season in my lifetime, outside chance of making the play-offs. Nothing.

So the way I see it, in every single one of the proposals put forward so far, the only club to actually be treated fairly is Dundee Utd. Hearts and ICT are being handed a place at the top table, when they are no more deserving than Dundee or Ayr, who have no say whatsoever.

So you can stick your daft 14 team division with its stupid split and increased number of meaningless games. It doesn't solve any issues around 'not disadvantaging' any club and it is clearly a worse format than the existing 12 team league. It's a load of complete nonsense.

[Waxy]

****ing sick of the 'no club left behind' bollocks from Hearts and their pals.

Let's talk about sporting integrity and ensuring nobody loses out. (And let's forget about Hibs for a minute.)

1. Hearts. Bottom of the league. An automatic relegation place. If the season had been able to be completed (which they voted AGAINST), they would have had a slight chance of getting into the play-off, giving them an ever so slightly bigger chance of avoiding relegation. Still, 4 points adrift of the play-off place and 6 points adrift of actual safety doesn't look like good odds to me.
2. Dundee Utd. Top of the Championship. Automatic promotion. About the only thing that has been done right.
3. Inverness. 4 points ahead of Dundee. Play-off place. Automatic promotion why? They have barely any larger chance of going up than Dundee, and yet they are automatically added to the expanded Premiership?
4. Dundee. Pretty much a stick-on for a play-off place. Which gives them IMO as much chance as Hearts as being in the Premiership next season. They get nothing.
5. Ayr Utd. Look good for a play-off place as well. Which gives them almost the same chance as Dundee of going up to the Premiership. Nothing.
6. Arbroath. Having probably their best season in my lifetime, outside chance of making the play-offs. Nothing.

So the way I see it, in every single one of the proposals put forward so far, the only club to actually be treated fairly is Dundee Utd. Hearts and ICT are being handed a place at the top table, when they are no more deserving than Dundee or Ayr, who have no say whatsoever.

So you can stick your daft 14 team division with its stupid split and increased number of meaningless games. It doesn't solve any issues around 'not disadvantaging' any club and it is clearly a worse format than the existing 12 team league. It's a load of complete nonsense.

Well said.Hibs lost a huge amount if money and actually dropped down a place too.This save hearts in trouble media campaign has been one of the most brutal things i’ve seen in Scottish football. Where’s the final league table?

[we are hibs]

Apparently if it went through it would be 2 automatically down from the premiership


https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18516680.spfl-reconstruction-vote-everything-need-know/

[Waxy]

Apparently if it went through it would be 2 automatically down drom the premiership

No playoffs? Thats been one of the great parts about the end of the season recently. Just another reason to boot it.

[weecounty hibby]

When should we hear? Was the deadline 10am? For the real good of Scottish football this needs to be brought to an end asap. Kick out this ludicrous suggestion and move on. If this really was about the greater good of Scottish football 12-12-10-10 would have been put forward. It wasn't cos that doesn't save the tarts. Why has none of the media asked that question?

[JimBHibees]

Apparently if it went through it would be 2 automatically down drom the premiership

The fact there doesn't seem to be clarity around this is another reason not to vote for it. Sure Neil McCann was saying on Saturday it would be as is e.g one down and play off. Why would any current top league team vote for that especially ones including ourselves who potentially could be in and about that area.

[mal]

No playoffs? Thats been one of the great parts about the end of the season recently. Just another reason to boot it.

Absence of promotion playoffs would significantly increase the number of meaningless games in the Championship.

[Greenworld]

****ing sick of the 'no club left behind' bollocks from Hearts and their pals.

Let's talk about sporting integrity and ensuring nobody loses out. (And let's forget about Hibs for a minute.)

1. Hearts. Bottom of the league. An automatic relegation place. If the season had been able to be completed (which they voted AGAINST), they would have had a slight chance of getting into the play-off, giving them an ever so slightly bigger chance of avoiding relegation. Still, 4 points adrift of the play-off place and 6 points adrift of actual safety doesn't look like good odds to me.
2. Dundee Utd. Top of the Championship. Automatic promotion. About the only thing that has been done right.
3. Inverness. 4 points ahead of Dundee. Play-off place. Automatic promotion why? They have barely any larger chance of going up than Dundee, and yet they are automatically added to the expanded Premiership?
4. Dundee. Pretty much a stick-on for a play-off place. Which gives them IMO as much chance as Hearts as being in the Premiership next season. They get nothing.
5. Ayr Utd. Look good for a play-off place as well. Which gives them almost the same chance as Dundee of going up to the Premiership. Nothing.
6. Arbroath. Having probably their best season in my lifetime, outside chance of making the play-offs. Nothing.

So the way I see it, in every single one of the proposals put forward so far, the only club to actually be treated fairly is Dundee Utd. Hearts and ICT are being handed a place at the top table, when they are no more deserving than Dundee or Ayr, who have no say whatsoever.

So you can stick your daft 14 team division with its stupid split and increased number of meaningless games. It doesn't solve any issues around 'not disadvantaging' any club and it is clearly a worse format than the existing 12 team league. It's a load of complete nonsense.You should have sent that round all the clubs a great summary

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[JimBHibees]

Why is the EEN giving this guy so much attention?

Is he anything official in hearts anymore?

No he has no official status at Hearts as far as I am aware.

[Irish_Steve]

When should we hear? Was the deadline 10am? For the real good of Scottish football this needs to be brought to an end asap. Kick out this ludicrous suggestion and move on. If this really was about the greater good of Scottish football 12-12-10-10 would have been put forward. It wasn't cos that doesn't save the tarts. Why has none of the media asked that question?

Yeah, a 10am announcement that a formal vote will take place next week, no doubt.

I think it`s gonna be too close for ND not to call a formal vote - i`m getting that sense if deja vu again.......

[Greenworld]

Would like this to be all wrapped up today but I think they will push it to a final vote and we'll have to endure one final week of this nonsense.

Pretty sure the real reason for moving to the vote will be to demonstrate that the SPFL tried every avenue to avoid relegating Hearts to cover themselves in any future legal challenge.

However, as long as this rumbles on, there's always a small chance it could get pushed through. If Hearts get through today in one piece I'd expect them to throw the kitchen sink at it this week, funding promises, threats, statements, the lot.

It does feel as though the longer they are dragging this on the less sympathy they are getting from within the game however. A smarter club might have cut their losses a few weeks ago.No need for this to be a week everything is done votes can be called for by say Tuesday 5pm .

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[Aldo]

Why is the EEN giving this guy so much attention?

Is he anything official in hearts anymore?

Cmon Stu get with the programme. It’s hearts main propaganda platform and they print everything and anything the are fed by them without proof reading.

I think what is pretty galling in all this (others have alluded to this too) is the way the press and media outlets have reported and portrayed this since the start.

It’s like a one way street and if they actually took the time to read the proposals they will see what it means to each club.

I think this will get booted out today with at least 6 of the SPL teams saying no. As for the other leagues I’m sure I read 6 of the teams in L1 and 2 were a No.

The misleading crap from the BBC via twitter etc is like the drip drip effect and is not a true reflection of how it actually is.

As for the championship, they must have been big big bridges built between these team after ICT debacle. I think they will also be a no and to date Raith, DAFC and Ayr all indicating previously it’s a no. Maybe even with Morton’s article they 2 are No’s.

For me a indicative note in morning and if it’s yes then a vote right after it. Not difficult.

I am still confident that this will be a NO


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[JimBHibees]

Today’s the biggest day in Ron Gordon’s tender as Hibs majority shareholder, if Hibs vote to accept reconstruction then his relationship with the support will be gone.
It’s time for the clubs to put this matter to bed once and for all. No more mucking about just a make a decision and let the clubs take their medicine whether that’s relegation or the wrath of their support.

No way are Hibs voting for this sham imo.

[steviehibsleith]

Kickback saying DU have said no to reconstruction hope it’s true

[Aldo]

No need for this to be a week everything is done votes can be called for by say Tuesday 5pm .

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They could have the vote this afternoon FFS. It will be another few days of hearts propaganda on all media platforms with veiled threats from them about legal action.

Let’s just get this done!


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[JimBHibees]

Cmon Stu get with the programme. It’s hearts main propaganda platform and they print everything and anything the are fed by them without proof reading.

I think what is pretty galling in all this (others have alluded to this too) is the way the press and media outlets have reported and portrayed this since the start.

It’s like a one way street and if they actually took the time to read the proposals they will see what it means to each club.

I think this will get booted out today with at least 6 of the SPL teams saying no. As for the other leagues I’m sure I read 6 of the teams in L1 and 2 were a No.

The misleading crap from the BBC via twitter etc is like the drip drip effect and is not a true reflection of how it actually is.

As for the championship, they must have been big big bridges built between these team after ICT debacle. I think they will also be a no and to date Raith, DAFC and Ayr all indicating previously it’s a no. Maybe even with Morton’s article they 2 are No’s.

For me a indicative note in morning and if it’s yes then a vote right after it. Not difficult.

I am still confident that this will be a NO


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I think it will be no but too close. Really hope they give out the numbers of votes not some vague too close to call nonsense.

[Brightside]

Yeah, a 10am announcement that a formal vote will take place next week, no doubt.

I think it`s gonna be too close for ND not to call a formal vote - i`m getting that sense if deja vu again.......

I though it was end if day today.

[Aldo]

I think it will be no but too close. Really hope they give out the numbers of votes not some vague too close to call nonsense.

I hope so too Jim as it’s all becoming very tedious. I understand why ND and co are doing this so just need to be patient.


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[Dibben]

They could have the vote this afternoon FFS. It will be another few days of hearts propaganda on all media platforms with veiled threats from them about legal action.

Let’s just get this done!


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Yeah. You’ve indicated your preference- here’s the Survey Monkey link - go and vote just now!

[Aldo]

I though it was end if day today.

Don’t think it is but bloody should be straight after this one say at 12.


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[Aldo]

Yeah. You’ve indicated your preference- here’s the Survey Monkey link - go and vote just now!

So as not to get the votes mixed up. Start the next one at 11 and they have until 12. There is no need to digest this any further.

We really need to start moving on.


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[we are hibs]

Why do we need an EGM to hold a vote? Didnt they have a vote 3 days after proposing to end the leagues?

[Pete]

Kickback saying DU have said no to reconstruction hope it’s true

So is this going to be a day of individual statements from each club?

I hope so 😁

[hibbymark]

:top marks
****ing sick of the 'no club left behind' bollocks from Hearts and their pals.

Let's talk about sporting integrity and ensuring nobody loses out. (And let's forget about Hibs for a minute.)

1. Hearts. Bottom of the league. An automatic relegation place. If the season had been able to be completed (which they voted AGAINST), they would have had a slight chance of getting into the play-off, giving them an ever so slightly bigger chance of avoiding relegation. Still, 4 points adrift of the play-off place and 6 points adrift of actual safety doesn't look like good odds to me.
2. Dundee Utd. Top of the Championship. Automatic promotion. About the only thing that has been done right.
3. Inverness. 4 points ahead of Dundee. Play-off place. Automatic promotion why? They have barely any larger chance of going up than Dundee, and yet they are automatically added to the expanded Premiership?
4. Dundee. Pretty much a stick-on for a play-off place. Which gives them IMO as much chance as Hearts as being in the Premiership next season. They get nothing.
5. Ayr Utd. Look good for a play-off place as well. Which gives them almost the same chance as Dundee of going up to the Premiership. Nothing.
6. Arbroath. Having probably their best season in my lifetime, outside chance of making the play-offs. Nothing.

So the way I see it, in every single one of the proposals put forward so far, the only club to actually be treated fairly is Dundee Utd. Hearts and ICT are being handed a place at the top table, when they are no more deserving than Dundee or Ayr, who have no say whatsoever.

So you can stick your daft 14 team division with its stupid split and increased number of meaningless games. It doesn't solve any issues around 'not disadvantaging' any club and it is clearly a worse format than the existing 12 team league. It's a load of complete nonsense.

[green day]

Apparently if it went through it would be 2 automatically down from the premiership


https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18516680.spfl-reconstruction-vote-everything-need-know/

Looks like 2 automatic and playoff - utter nonsense.

#NoHarmDone :aok::aok:

[Greenworld]

I posted on the PM board yesterday that I think they're angling for an out of court settlement now. Deans' letter lays out how bad he thinks it could get and how much it might cost - he could have ended it by saying "Now make us an offer."

If that is the case I trust the SPFL board will see how ridiculous the claims are and offer a couple of hundred thousand - I reckon they'd be biting hands off for half a million.This is a hypothetical question of sorts could Hearts be thrown out of the league by the SFA for breaking some rules on taking clubs to court.
If hypothically that could happen ,would that negate any claim as a non member.
Again hypothically could a counter claim be made by SPFL / SFA insisting Hearts claim be retracted or there membership will be removed .





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[Pete]

Looks like 2 automatic and playoff - utter nonsense.

#NoHarmDone :aok::aok:

Agree, the last paragraph of that article is key. Why would anyone who hovers about the bottom half regularly vote for this AND a dilution of prize money.

Not happening

[Jim44]

Don’t think it is but bloody should be straight after this one say at 12.


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Although it’s a piece of nonsense, I think the indicative vote is based on the basic principles of the proposal, with the final vote being made after clubs are given time to fully read the finer detail and consolidate or change their vote. Why didn’t they distribute the proposal in it’s entirety last week and simply ask for a final yes or no this morning?

[G B Young]

I know it's been done to death but I think it bears repeating that Hearts' claims of injustice are really just hot air. Having won only four games all season and sitting four points adrift at the foot of the table, the chances of them winning even two of those remaining eight games were going to be remote. Even winning two games would have been highly unlikely to have kept them up so you're looking at them having to have won probably four of those eight games - the same number of games they managed to win in 30 attempts. Not a chance they'd have achieved that. They were deservedly relegated.

The only club who can genuinely claim to have got a raw deal are Partick.

[bingo70]

I know it's been done to death but I think it bears repeating that Hearts' claims of injustice are really just hot air. Having won only four games all season and sitting four points adrift at the foot of the table, the chances of them winning even two of those remaining eight games were going to be remote. Even winning two games would have been highly unlikely to have kept them up so you're looking at them having to have won probably four of those eight games - the same number of games they managed to win in 30 attempts. Not a chance they'd have achieved that. They were deservedly relegated.

The only club who can genuinely claim to have got a raw deal are Partick.

And Hibs

[Stuart93]

Although it’s a piece of nonsense, I think the indicative vote is based on the basic principles of the proposal, with the final vote being made after clubs are given time to fully read the finer detail and consolidate or change their vote. Why didn’t they distribute the proposal in it’s entirety last week and simply ask for a final yes or no this morning?

If it passes today I can’t see it failing at the final vote to be honest

[NC1875]

Scottish football is an absolute laughing stock. We’ve known about the proposal for weeks now and still no closer to having an answer.

Have a vote, whatever the outcome is, that’s final and we move on.

Sick of hearing about these tramps

[Waxy]

Kickback saying DU have said no to reconstruction hope it’s true

Crystal clear the clubs will reject it. Why waste anymore time? Boot it out today.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Although it’s a piece of nonsense, I think the indicative vote is based on the basic principles of the proposal, with the final vote being made after clubs are given time to fully read the finer detail and consolidate or change their vote. Why didn’t they distribute the proposal in it’s entirety last week and simply ask for a final yes or no this morning?

The Indicative Vote is in the SPFLs rules to allow a proposal to be brought forward without having to allow the 28 day notice for an EGM.

If the indicative vote shows sufficient support then a formal EGM vote can be called within 7 days. It actually speeds up rather than slow down the process.

Doncaster knows this needs brought to a head before the fixtures are released next week otherwise Budge would be able to screw up the Premiership start date and the Sky contract 1st payment.

We may have to go to an EGM vote if over 50% of the clubs show support but at least it puts the issue to bed and takes the ground from beneath Budge and her fudge.

[Peevemor]

Scottish football is an absolute laughing stock. We’ve known about the proposal for weeks now and still no closer to having an answer.

Have a vote, whatever the outcome is, that’s final and we move on.

Sick of hearing about these trampsWe might get the answer this morning.

[007]

Wonder if Budge remembered to send their vote in on time.

[Aldo]

Although it’s a piece of nonsense, I think the indicative vote is based on the basic principles of the proposal, with the final vote being made after clubs are given time to fully read the finer detail and consolidate or change their vote. Why didn’t they distribute the proposal in it’s entirety last week and simply ask for a final yes or no this morning?

I think it’s been mentioned already but it’s part of the process.

If it’s a no today then hopefully that’s it


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[Jim44]

The two automatic demotions with playoffs for a third one means it will be the same in the other direction in the Championship. In the event of Hearts being in the Championship next year it enhances their chances of coming back up at the first attempt. I could see that happening and then, what d’you know, they’ll decide it’s not right and revert back to one automatic down and up. Or is that too cynical.:greengrin

[green day]

We may have to go to an EGM vote if over 50% of the clubs show support but at least it puts the issue to bed and takes the ground from beneath Budge and her fudge.

Racing certainty, Championship will love the 2 up 2 down auto plus a playoff.

Goes to a vote and the big bad Premiership will chuck it in the sea.

[Stuart93]

Crystal clear the clubs will reject it. Why waste anymore time? Boot it out today.

I’m not so sure it is as crystal clear as has been thought

[CapitalGreen]

Hamilton have finished bottom three for 5 seasons in a row. They won’t vote a structure which increases the chances of relegation.

St Mirren have finished bottom three for 9 out of 11 seasons in the top league. They won’t vote a structure which increases the chances of relegation.

[Caversham Green]

This is a hypothetical question of sorts could Hearts be thrown out of the league by the SFA for breaking some rules on taking clubs to court.
If hypothically that could happen ,would that negate any claim as a non member.
Again hypothically could a counter claim be made by SPFL / SFA insisting Hearts claim be retracted or there membership will be removed .





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If Hearts take the SPFL to court disputing their Premiership/Championship status they would not be able to play league football while the dispute was ongoing. From the SPFL's angle HoMFC shouldn't be participating in the league's activities while the two parties were in conflict, and from HoMFC's angle they couldn't play any Championship games as that would be an admission of their Championship status.

I do think the SFA would be forced to take some sort of action if they don't go through the CAS as well since the rules about taking matters to court are UEFA/FIFA directives. I would imagine it might just be a fine, but it could be suspension or permanent expulsion.

Either way, it's dangerous territory for the yams.

[bingo70]

Hamilton have finished bottom three for 5 seasons in a row. They won’t vote a structure which increases the chances of relegation.

St Mirren have finished bottom three for 9 out of 11 seasons in the top league. They won’t vote a structure which increases the chances of relegation.

I thought that too but there is a counter argument that with two weaker sides in the league it would enhance their chances of winning more games and getting away from the bottom. I know that argument isn’t without flaws but it’s not something I had considered until I saw someone mentioning it on here.

[mal]

If Hearts take the SPFL to court disputing their Premiership/Championship status they would not be able to play league football while the dispute was ongoing. From the SPFL's angle HoMFC shouldn't be participating in the league's activities while the two parties were in conflict, and from HoMFC's angle they couldn't play any Championship games as that would be an admission of their Championship status.

I do think the SFA would be forced to take some sort of action if they don't go through the CAS as well since the rules about taking matters to court are UEFA/FIFA directives. I would imagine it might just be a fine, but it could be suspension or permanent expulsion.

Either way, it's dangerous territory for the yams.

Expel Hearts, promote Inverness, reinstate Partick and Stranraer, playoff between Brora and Kelty. Job done, everybody's happy and no need for reconstruction.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Hamilton have finished bottom three for 5 seasons in a row. They won’t vote a structure which increases the chances of relegation.

St Mirren have finished bottom three for 9 out of 11 seasons in the top league. They won’t vote a structure which increases the chances of relegation.

Hearts have finished bottom

Hee hee hee

:greengrin

[Caversham Green]

I thought that too but there is a counter argument that with two weaker sides in the league it would enhance their chances of winning more games and getting away from the bottom. I know that argument isn’t without flaws but it’s not something I had considered until I saw someone mentioning it on here.

On the other hand, the two sides coming up this time would be Hearts and ICT with Dundee having a strong claim to replace Hearts. Would Hamilton fancy their chance of finishing above any of those three?

[CapitalGreen]

I thought that too but there is a counter argument that with two weaker sides in the league it would enhance their chances of winning more games and getting away from the bottom. I know that argument isn’t without flaws but it’s not something I had considered until I saw someone mentioning it on here.

That argument has logic when the number of automatic relegation places stays the same b

12 team league - 17% of bottom 6 relegated automatically
14 team league - 25% of bottom 8 relegated automatically

Also, the teams coming up are Hearts and ICT, neither of which are historically weaker sides in comparison to Hamilton and St Mirren during the Prem era.

[Brightside]

Don’t think it is but bloody should be straight after this one say at 12.


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No i thought it was end of day for indicative votes.... is it 10am?

[Smartie]

I know it's been done to death but I think it bears repeating that Hearts' claims of injustice are really just hot air. Having won only four games all season and sitting four points adrift at the foot of the table, the chances of them winning even two of those remaining eight games were going to be remote. Even winning two games would have been highly unlikely to have kept them up so you're looking at them having to have won probably four of those eight games - the same number of games they managed to win in 30 attempts. Not a chance they'd have achieved that. They were deservedly relegated.

The only club who can genuinely claim to have got a raw deal are Partick.

I have quite a lot of sympathy for Falkirk as that division was also, to all intents and purposes, neck and neck.

12 12 10 10 gets rid of the greatest injustices.

[mal]

I thought that too but there is a counter argument that with two weaker sides in the league it would enhance their chances of winning more games and getting away from the bottom. I know that argument isn’t without flaws but it’s not something I had considered until I saw someone mentioning it on here.

Since you can effectively rule the OF out of the equation (because we all know that we would restructure to save one of them if it were just a matter of them having a disastrous season and not actually folding) we're currently in a situation where one in ten teams is automatically relegated. We'd be moving to a format where that would be one in six. That's a huge casualty rate in percentage terms, albeit that guaranteed safety would now be 10th place rather than 11th.

[Aldo]

No i thought it was end of day for indicative votes.... is it 10am?

I thought it was 10am too.

Think I was trying to say get it all done in a day


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[duffers]

Record saying that at least 3 teams have voted against the proposal.

Enjoy the championship ya roasters

[green day]

I thought that too but there is a counter argument that with two weaker sides in the league it would enhance their chances of winning more games and getting away from the bottom. I know that argument isn’t without flaws but it’s not something I had considered until I saw someone mentioning it on here.


Current chance of relegation is 8.3% automatic, with a potential of 16.66% including the playoff.

this proposal?

If there is a play-off, you've got 3 potential relegation places compared to 2.


That's an increase to - potentially - 21.4% of the division.


If you're just looking at 2 automatic then it's still a big increase to 14.2% of teams automatically relegated.

And if you exclude - say - Rangers and Celtic from the maths, then the numbers get even worse for perpetual bottom 6 clubs.

[FilipinoHibs]

If it passes today I can’t see it failing at the final vote to be honest

I think the clubs want to kill this today. If it does not reach the minimum to pass there will be no EGM.

[Greenworld]

I thought it was 10am too.

Think I was trying to say get it all done in a day


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[Aldo]

It is 10 am thats what been mentioned in all papers

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Ta! If it’s close they shouldn’t be waiting for a week it should just get fine this afternoon


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[CB_NO3]

DR saying 3 teams are against reconstruction. Few stories going about Rangers could also be voting No. Maybe spat the dummy in regards to their colts proposal.

[FilipinoHibs]

10:37 DR reporting Hearts reconstruction plans look over.

[Green Blood]

Hearts reconstruction plans look overhttps://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article21719626.ece/ALTERNATES/s510b/0_19882623.jpg

(Image: SNS)Hearts reconstruction proposal appears dead in the water after clubs indicated their voting preferences to the SPFL at 10am today.
Record Sport understands at least three Premiership clubs voted against the plans put forward by Ann Budge to reform the league into a 14-10-10-10 set-up.
Only two top flight votes were required to kibosh the plans.
That means that the Gorgie club will have to begin planning for life in the Championship next season as the issue will not be revisited.

[Andy74]

10:37 DR reporting Hearts reconstruction plans look over.

The Hearts plan was already over.

[green day]

I assume the delay is just having courtesy calls to the clubs relegated.

[CropleyWasGod]

Ta! If it’s close they shouldn’t be waiting for a week it should just get fine this afternoon


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They probably need at least 7 days' notice for an EGM.

[Brightside]

At least 3 teams. Lets move on now. :greengrin

[Aldo]

They probably need at least 7 days' notice for an EGM.

Ah right. Cheers CWG


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[FilipinoHibs]

The Hearts plan was already over.
At least 3 top flight clubs againstt.

[Dashing Bob S]

How many times do I have to say it? For those at the back of the room: send em down!

I pray Hibs and St Mirren were two of the clubs who voted for sporting integrity..

[Peevemor]

I assume the delay is just having courtesy calls to the clubs relegated.

The "votes" were requested in time for a 10.00am board meeting this morning.

There will be other issues to discuss too (eg. 27 games season in the championship).

The meeting probably isn't finished yet.

[Andy74]

At least 3 top flight clubs againstt.

The DR are referencing the wrong proposal. The Hearts one was killed off some time ago.

[Dashing Bob S]

At least 3 teams. Lets move on now. :greengrin

Tell that to Budgie!

[Barney McGrew]

Looks like 2 automatic and playoff - utter nonsense.

#NoHarmDone :aok::aok:

Which would explain why the Championship teams have suddenly had a change of heart over the weekend if that’s now o; offer.

[BroxburnHibee]

Fully expect Budgies statement to say 3 clubs holding Scottish football back

[04Sauzee]

At least 3 teams. Lets move on now. :greengrin

At least 3 teams and according to Kickback these 3 teams are
Hibs
St Mirren
Dundee Utd
Ross County
Hamilton
Rangers

Brilliant 😂😂

[MacGruber]

I've soften my stance having been compelled by the Partick Thistle statement. It hasn't been fair for them and on that basis I believe there should be league reconstruction. Saving Partick has a knock on affect and whilst not perfect it inadvertently saves Stranraer too even though they finished bottom having played the same number of games.

Should be 12 - 12 - 10 - 10.

Not ideal but clearly the fairest solution.

Hearts in the Championship obviously where they fully deserve to be on sporting merit.

[bingo70]

How many times do I have to say it? For those at the back of the room: send em down!

I pray Hibs and St Mirren were two of the clubs who voted for sporting integrity..

I hope we get the final vote and it creates an over the top sensationalist headline from the red tops....I’m probably being greedy now though.

[Ronniekirk]

Although it’s a piece of nonsense, I think the indicative vote is based on the basic principles of the proposal, with the final vote being made after clubs are given time to fully read the finer detail and consolidate or change their vote. Why didn’t they distribute the proposal in it’s entirety last week and simply ask for a final yes or no this morning?

This is something I have asked and not sure anyone has an answer to apart from its following a process that gives zHearts less comeback to say it was always going to be against them so when it came to court case The SPFL was in a stronger position
But to my mind if there is other detail being held back it’s then going to need further debate when that comes out
So I can’t understand iether why it wasn’t all send out at same time even if more time was needed to digest it all and vote
The cynic in me still thinks it was designed to keep the pot boiling and not kill it off
But once these details start leaking out clubs will say had I known that Iwe might have changed our indicative vote
Or am I just thick and suffering Brian freeze with lockdown



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[bingo70]

The "votes" were requested in time for a 10.00am board meeting this morning.

There will be other issues to discuss too (eg. 27 games season in the championship).

The meeting probably isn't finished yet.

You’d think they could take a wee break to deliver us the good news though, some of us have work we should be doing 😃

[seanshow]

Anyone confirm that the three No votes were Hibernian FC, Hibernian DS & Hibernian Ladies...

[FilipinoHibs]

The DR are referencing the wrong proposal. The Hearts one was killed off some time ago.

Stop being pedantic. Restructuring is a Hearts crusade. Nobody else.'s

[Peevemor]

You’d think they could take a wee break to deliver us the good news though, some of us have work we should be doing 😃

Tell me about it! :greengrin

[Barney McGrew]

Fully expect Budgies statement to say 3 clubs holding Scottish football back

Yup. As I said on the PM board earlier, the focus will now turn to the fact that a majority of clubs said they’re for it and anyone who votes no are the bad guys. And then lots of pressure for Doncaster and the SPFL board to enact an executive order on the basis the majority want it.

[Green Blood]

Sadly it will still go to a vote at an EGM!

[Irish_Steve]

Oh dear, they seem a bit sensitive on Brokeback lol

[Logie Green]

Anyone confirm that the three No votes were Hibernian FC, Hibernian DS & Hibernian Ladies...

😂😂😂

[007 Mickey Weir]

I really hope if this fails Hearts support a 12-12-10-10. They have more time to sort this with no lower league games until October at the earliest and they have agreed a 3/4 season. Helps fix all issues except Hearts and ICT/Ayr/Dundee. But would be the sensible permanent option

[marinello59]

Oh dear, they seem a bit sensitive on Brokeback lol

Claims that Sevco have voted No to reconstruction because they are on their side really. :faf:

[JohnM1875]

Claims that Sevco have voted No to reconstruction because they are on their side really. :faf:

Saw that as well! Utterly baffling.

[CraigHibee]

Tell that to Budgie!

she can't accept it, she's like the psycho obsessed ex girlfriend who thinks you need her :greengrin

[Danderhall Hibs]

Yeah we’ll need to assume the Jambos will refuse to play in a truncated Championship because that would be unfair and lack in integrity, deciding promotion with a quarter of a usual league season remaining is just wrong.

I’d imagine their argument will be that everyone went into the season knowing how many games they’d be playing - so it’s fair?

[CraigHibee]

Fully expect Budgies statement to say 3 clubs holding Scottish football back

can't wait for statement o'clock :greengrin

[660]

Haha “burn them down” and “get the papers served”. Has anyone apart from Deans actually advocated legal action?!

[Mikey]

Yup. As I said on the PM board earlier, the focus will now turn to the fact that a majority of clubs said they’re for it and anyone who votes no are the bad guys. And then lots of pressure for Doncaster and the SPFL board to enact an executive order on the basis the majority want it.

Rangers and Celtic will surely block that, otherwise it sets a precedent that their cosy 11-1 arrangement can be got round.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Haha “burn them down” and “get the papers served”. Has anyone apart from Deans actually advocated legal action?!

Pretty sure Budge has alluded to it in one of her lengthy statements.

[Irish_Steve]

Claims that Sevco have voted No to reconstruction because they are on their side really. :faf:

It`s hilarious on there just now. you lob in a grenade and all the muppets bite even if you wildly contradict yourself lol

[Keith_M]

she can't accept it, she's like the psycho obsessed ex girlfriend who thinks you need her :greengrin


You need to cancel your Tinder account...

[Barney McGrew]

Rangers and Celtic will surely block that, otherwise it sets a precedent that their cosy 11-1 arrangement can be got round.

It’ll be spun as a one off because of the pandemic. The big question is how they change the voting structure going forward if it does go to 14 teams.

[EI255]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]Hoping the Dundee Hibernians vote no [emoji16]

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[EI255]

I hope we get the final vote and it creates an over the top sensationalist headline from the red tops....I’m probably being greedy now though.Looking forward to that too, coupled with Budge, Robertson and Deans' moans, it'll be a right good day.

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[JeMeSouviens]

These turkeys were happy to vote for Christmas as only one turkey was getting slaughtered and it wasn’t them!!!

Not sure he quite understood that metaphor. :hmmm:

:lolyam:

[JeMeSouviens]

If Rangers have voted no then it will be because they want us to expose what went on in court

"Alexa, show me total delusion"

[Dibben]

Quote...

I would like to think that in court the first thing they would notice 10 in favour 3 against.


Eh no pal - you’re a Championship club as it stands!!

[JeMeSouviens]

I want a very big statement from Budge imminently with regards to legal action.

Probably the only Jambo who's not going to be disappointed today. :wink:

[JimBHibees]

At least 3 teams and according to Kickback these 3 teams are
Hibs
St Mirren
Dundee Utd
Ross County
Hamilton
Rangers

Brilliant 😂😂

Rangers voting against would be hysterical.

[Since452]

How long does it take to register on Kickback? Too good an opportunity to miss

[Lee Marvin]

Well done LD and Ron for staying strong throughout and making it clear we would not be shifting vote under any circumstances (this steadfast position probably gave a few other clubs confidence to vote this way too)

This is the thing I am most pleased about as, whilst it was highly unlikely, Hibs voting any other way would have been catastrophic for our club.

:hibees

[Jim44]

I hope they don’t chicken out of going to court, otherwise I’m going to be left with a huge glut of popcorn. :greengrin

[04Sauzee]

Is it still only the Record that are running this story? You woukd think someone else would have picked up on this by now.

[Peevemor]

I hope they don’t chicken out of going to court, otherwise I’m going to be left with a huge glut of popcorn. :greengrin

They won't go to court. Even they aren't that stupid.

[Irish_Steve]

How long does it take to register on Kickback? Too good an opportunity to miss

I doubt you would get in - they have probably locked it down

[hfc rd]

At least 3 teams and according to Kickback these 3 teams are
Hibs
St Mirren
Dundee Utd
Ross County
Hamilton
Rangers

Brilliant 😂😂

I didn’t expect to see Rangers on that list 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Stuart93]

I’d like this confirmed soon.

Hopefully not getting too ahead of ourselves

[JimBHibees]

Hope there is a clear statement from Spfl if this is the finish with numbers of clubs in each league who voted yes or no. Also would be amazed if only 3 premier clubs voted no. Important that information comes out imo.

[MacGruber]

It is the right outcome. Would be good if it went
12-12-10-10 as Partick had the game in hand.

Hearts deserve to be down on sporting merit so at least justice there for the game of football.

Even as a Hibee though I think there needs to be compensation for Hearts given the situation. The parachute payment is £400K & I think they should get extra. To keep it fair though for the Championship next season I would award half now and half at the end of next season so that they don't have an over inflated budget compared to the rest. Say £100K now and £100K end of season. £600K in total as a sweetner - not too bad going

[Hibeesmad]

It is the right outcome. Would be good if it went
12-12-10-10 as Partick had the game in hand.

Hearts deserve to be down on sporting merit so at least justice there for the game of football.

Even as a Hibee though I think there needs to be compensation for Hearts given the situation. The parachute payment is £400K & I think they should get extra. To keep it fair though for the Championship next season I would award half now and half at the end of next season so that they don't have an over inflated budget compared to the rest. Say £100K now and £100K end of season. £600K in total as a sweetner - not too bad going

Benefactor will sort them out. Not that they do much with that money anyway.

[calumhibee1]

It is the right outcome. Would be good if it went
12-12-10-10 as Partick had the game in hand.

Hearts deserve to be down on sporting merit so at least justice there for the game of football.

Even as a Hibee though I think there needs to be compensation for Hearts given the situation. The parachute payment is £400K & I think they should get extra. To keep it fair though for the Championship next season I would award half now and half at the end of next season so that they don't have an over inflated budget compared to the rest. Say £100K now and £100K end of season. £600K in total as a sweetner - not too bad going

Trying to avoid any obvious bias, I honestly can’t even see why they would be entitled to compo.

Did they vote for the league to finish? Yes

Did they know bottom place would be relegated? Yes

Did they vote for the league to finish in the hope reconstruction would put them back in the top league? Maybe, but that was a gamble, that was absolutely never a given - if fans knew that then surely the Hearts board knew that?

So to me, they’d be looking for compo on the basis that they simply didn’t get their own way when out comes to restructuring even though the vote was held in accordance with the rules they signed up for. Going by that logic, every team that’s voted the same way as them should get compo. Which would of course be nonsense.

[Aldo]

O dear the seethe and bitterness has it a new high.

Apparently I will enjoy the court proceedings and the impending Administration which will follow once the leagues are suspended.

[emoji23][emoji23]. They are not taking this well at all!


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[Jim44]

Is it not the case that, even though it might be 3 or 4 Premiership clubs that vote no in the indicative vote, the proportions of the other leagues could still take it arithmetically to a final vote?

[RossScott1991]

Needs an official statement nipping this in the bud officially. It’s a farce it’s gone on this long. No more ifs or buts. Get this nonsense done with.

[Heisenberg]

Is it not the case that, even though it might be 3 or 4 Premiership clubs that vote no in the indicative vote, the proportions of the other leagues could still take it arithmetically to a final vote?

Yeah that’s what I thought.

[Barney McGrew]

It would be hilarious if they now agree to a 12-12-10-10 and Hertz are the only club that end up in a different division :greengrin

[leithsansiro]

Just trying to recall my registration details for Kickback. The comedy gold across there is too good to miss. I think I need to wade in with something vaguely suggestive of insider knowledge and then contradict myself four minutes later. I have work from home to do today but the temptation is just too much!
:na na:

[bingo70]

Trying to avoid any obvious bias, I honestly can’t even see why they would be entitled to compo.

Did they vote for the league to finish? Yes

Did they know bottom place would be relegated? Yes

Did they vote for the league to finish in the hope reconstruction would put them back in the top league? Maybe, but that was a gamble, that was absolutely never a given - if fans knew that then surely the Hearts board knew that?

So to me, they’d be looking for compo on the basis that they simply didn’t get their own way when out comes to restructuring even though the vote was held in accordance with the rules they signed up for. Going by that logic, every team that’s voted the same way as them should get compo. Which would of course be nonsense.

I agree, if spending a relatively small amount of money to shut them up allows us to get on with planning for next season then it could be money well spent though.

We need to draw a line under this at some point.

[Waxy]

14 club prem is a joke. Even hearts dont believe in it.

[Heisenberg]

Tom English and Craig Levein on the Sportsound podcast today. Will be sure to tune in to that one...

[JimBHibees]

Is it not the case that, even though it might be 3 or 4 Premiership clubs that vote no in the indicative vote, the proportions of the other leagues could still take it arithmetically to a final vote?

I think so will depend what overall vote is however you would assume if a significant number of top league teams against e.g 6 or so that should be it. If only 3 or 4 (whose names will leak without question imo) the avalanche of nonsense these teams are going to have to put up with in the next week will be off the scale. They will need to stay strong that is for sure.

[Hibeesmad]

14 club prem is a joke. Even hearts dont believe in it.

Many people may think that Dempster and co will vote against reconstruction because the fans wouldn't be happy but I genuinely believe we would be for or against reconstruction based on our opinion of whether it's the best for the game up here regardless of the Hearts situation.

[Ronniekirk]

Tom English and Craig Levein on the Sportsound podcast today. Will be sure to tune in to that one...

I won’t progaganda waste of space have better things to do
Like weeding

Mmm maybe I will listen after all [emoji849]


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[007]

I didn’t expect to see Rangers on that list 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I was actually surprised they'd come out in favour of it. I expected them to want Hearts to go to court hoping the legal outcome would say to null and void the league. They probably only backed reconstruction so they could try and get their colt team into the SPFL and now that's failed they're hoping for Hearts to go to court.

[007 Mickey Weir]

Tom English and Craig Levein on the Sportsound podcast today. Will be sure to tune in to that one...

What!! Two Jambo mouth pieces. It will be all about corruption and the injustice of it all.

[Irish_Steve]

Scotsman seem to suggest it may be heading for an EGM or have I read that wrong

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/scottish-football-live-league-reconstruction-vote-fails-hearts-interest-ex-celtic-star-rangers-boost-ps15m-transfer-target-killie-and-ict-managers-agree-deals-2884311

[JimBHibees]

Tom English and Craig Levein on the Sportsound podcast today. Will be sure to tune in to that one...

So we have got to assume from that Levein is now a regular on that show. Incredible if that is the case. Like some sort of ex yam retirement home.

[Vini1875]

Did hearts actually vote for the league to finish early? If the answer is yes, then there goes their court case, surely. A bit the guy who claimed the reward for handing himself in. Not the brightest.

[Bristolhibby]

Trying to avoid any obvious bias, I honestly can’t even see why they would be entitled to compo.

Did they vote for the league to finish? Yes

Did they know bottom place would be relegated? Yes

Did they vote for the league to finish in the hope reconstruction would put them back in the top league? Maybe, but that was a gamble, that was absolutely never a given - if fans knew that then surely the Hearts board knew that?

So to me, they’d be looking for compo on the basis that they simply didn’t get their own way when out comes to restructuring even though the vote was held in accordance with the rules they signed up for. Going by that logic, every team that’s voted the same way as them should get compo. Which would of course be nonsense.

I fell into this trap on Twitter. They (along with the Huns) did not vote for the league to end early. They were out voted in a democratic process that they signed up to.

Therefore I also struggle to see where their “compo” figure comes from.

J

[Since452]

Scotsman seem to suggest it may be heading for an EGM or have I read that wrong

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/scottish-football-live-league-reconstruction-vote-fails-hearts-interest-ex-celtic-star-rangers-boost-ps15m-transfer-target-killie-and-ict-managers-agree-deals-2884311

Joel Sked is worse than Keith Jackson for misinformation

[Onion]

I think so will depend what overall vote is however you would assume if a significant number of top league teams against e.g 6 or so that should be it. If only 3 or 4 (whose names will leak without question imo) the avalanche of nonsense these teams are going to have to put up with in the next week will be off the scale. They will need to stay strong that is for sure.

You can guarantee that some clubs will be playing games with the vote, knowing full well that it will probably fail - they vote for it just to avoid the accusations of bias / obstruction / missing out on the maroon poond :greengrin It's also not a binding vote, so they always have a opportunity to say no at the official vote if it looked like a top 14 team league was a possibility. Be assured, there will be clubs playing game here.

[Waxy]

Many people may think that Dempster and co will vote against reconstruction because the fans wouldn't be happy but I genuinely believe we would be for or against reconstruction based on our opinion of whether it's the best for the game up here regardless of the Hearts situation.

If we needed reconstruction we would have done it by now.Not been a mention of it for years since St Mirren and Ross County blocked that silly 8-8-8 thing.

[CapitalGreen]

Scotsman seem to suggest it may be heading for an EGM or have I read that wrong

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/scottish-football-live-league-reconstruction-vote-fails-hearts-interest-ex-celtic-star-rangers-boost-ps15m-transfer-target-killie-and-ict-managers-agree-deals-2884311

The headline on that link says it’s failed.

“LIVE: League reconstruction vote FAILS”

[BoomtownHibees]

Scotsman seem to suggest it may be heading for an EGM or have I read that wrong

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/scottish-football-live-league-reconstruction-vote-fails-hearts-interest-ex-celtic-star-rangers-boost-ps15m-transfer-target-killie-and-ict-managers-agree-deals-2884311

“Hearts will play in the Championship next season.
The Daily Record report that clubs have put forward their voting plans for a 14-10-10-10 system and it has not gained enough support.
Three Premiership clubs are reported to be against the proposals”

Where are you seeing that it’s heading for an EGM?

[JimBHibees]

Scotsman seem to suggest it may be heading for an EGM or have I read that wrong

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/scottish-football-live-league-reconstruction-vote-fails-hearts-interest-ex-celtic-star-rangers-boost-ps15m-transfer-target-killie-and-ict-managers-agree-deals-2884311

I only read the bit outlining the DR report. It does say Hearts will play in the championship which needn't be the case if it goes to another vote next week which I think it would if only 3 premier teams against.

[Onion]

Tom English and Craig Levein on the Sportsound podcast today. Will be sure to tune in to that one...

We can expect a well balanced piece, then :greengrin They could at the very least have had someone to put forward a counter view.

[Waxy]

Reconstruction fails according to the Scotsman.

[Stuart93]

The headline on that link says it’s failed.

“LIVE: League reconstruction vote FAILS”

When you read into it he’s taken it straight from the daily record

Lazy journalism/clickbait which seems the absolute norm from the media these days

[JimBHibees]

You can guarantee that some clubs will be playing games with the vote, knowing full well that it will probably fail - they vote for it just to avoid the accusations of bias / obstruction / missing out on the maroon poond :greengrin It's also not a binding vote, so they always have a opportunity to say no at the official vote if it looked like a top 14 team league was a possibility. Be assured, there will be clubs playing game here.

Think you are correct about game playing.

[Hibs90]

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[Andy74]

This EGM chat winds me up. EGMs got ditched years ago. We now have AGMs and GMs.

[Onion]

I only read the bit outlining the DR report. It does say Hearts will play in the championship which needn't be the case if it goes to another vote next week which I think it would if only 3 premier teams against.

Can anyone fathom what is in the minds of the 9 clubs who actually want a permanent 14 team top league ? Putting Hearts case to one side, I'd like to hear them argue why 14 teams is better than the 12 team set up we have just now. And if it is so much better, why now ? They are barking mad.

[Since452]

In the non existent scenario it went to court and Hears were awarded 5 million compensation, it would only leave them another 5/10 million to find to finish off the giant class curtain stand.

[tamig]

It’ll be spun as a one off because of the pandemic. The big question is how they change the voting structure going forward if it does go to 14 teams.

The emergency situation was to call the leagues. Nothing to do with hertz predicament. There won’t be any exec powers used here.

[Aldo]

Can anyone fathom what is in the minds of the 9 clubs who actually want a permanent 14 team top league ? Putting Hearts case to one side, I'd like to hear them argue why 14 teams is better than the 12 team set up we have just now. And if it is so much better, why now ? They are barking mad.

It’s at least 3 Onion so to me that suggests more.


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[Irish_Steve]

“Hearts will play in the Championship next season.
The Daily Record report that clubs have put forward their voting plans for a 14-10-10-10 system and it has not gained enough support.
Three Premiership clubs are reported to be against the proposals”

Where are you seeing that it’s heading for an EGM?

We are back once again for another week of Scottish football action, off the field at least. And there is no waiting around this time with news on whether clubs will vote for league reconstruction expected on Monday morning. There could be a final decision on the topic after weeks and months of speculation.

It could bring some more clarity looking ahead to the 2020/21 campaign, or see an EGM in the coming days.

[hibeerealist]

Can anyone fathom what is in the minds of the 9 clubs who actually want a permanent 14 team top league ? Putting Hearts case to one side, I'd like to hear them argue why 14 teams is better than the 12 team set up we have just now. And if it is so much better, why now ? They are barking mad.

How do you know it is nine? Apparently, AT LEAST 3 Prem clubs voted against.

[The Modfather]

Trying to avoid any obvious bias, I honestly can’t even see why they would be entitled to compo.

Did they vote for the league to finish? Yes

Did they know bottom place would be relegated? Yes

Did they vote for the league to finish in the hope reconstruction would put them back in the top league? Maybe, but that was a gamble, that was absolutely never a given - if fans knew that then surely the Hearts board knew that?

So to me, they’d be looking for compo on the basis that they simply didn’t get their own way when out comes to restructuring even though the vote was held in accordance with the rules they signed up for. Going by that logic, every team that’s voted the same way as them should get compo. Which would of course be nonsense.

To be fair, whoever was bottom when the season was called was unlucky enough to have to face a perfect storm in these unprecedented times. I was in favour of finishing the league. That wasn’t possible, so calling it was probably the next best option IMO. I’m in favour of re-structure, even if it saved Hearts, but only if it was done properly and with the long term in mind e.g. 16/18 team league, change to voting structure, SPFL ran independently from the clubs, financial fair play measures introduced, quota of homegrown players etc etc (some less realistic than others but my wish list). Not in favour of the kind of short term fudges that appear to have been proposed. Were anything above a 14 team league ever proposed for example?

Leslie Deans talked about not finishing the season (and presumably he including not finishing the cup) costing Hearts (although it’s not unique to them and we must be in the same boat) £1m.

What has never been clear is how the ever increasing compensation figure was made up. How much of it relates to not finishing last season? How much is the same elements the relegated teams face every season? I get the feeling that Hearts are looking to offset their bloated and unsustainable wage bill in the compensation which is nothing to do with relegation.

Where I would have sympathy and think all Championship clubs should get compensation is if there is a shorter season played.

[JimBHibees]

Can anyone fathom what is in the minds of the 9 clubs who actually want a permanent 14 team top league ? Putting Hearts case to one side, I'd like to hear them argue why 14 teams is better than the 12 team set up we have just now. And if it is so much better, why now ? They are barking mad.

As you said yourself bit of game playing if they knew other teams were voting no.

[JimBHibees]

How do you know it is nine? Apparently, AT LEAST 3 Prem clubs voted against.

Yes think it will be more.

[Since452]

At least three suggests it's more. Game over.

[FilipinoHibs]

It’s at least 3 Onion so to me that suggests more.


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Think the DR have been told off record by three clubs. There will be more.

[Gloucester Hibs]

As you said yourself bit of game playing if they knew other teams were voting no.

Yep, games indeed, don’t want to be perceived as the “bad guy” once they seen which way the wind was blowing.

[Aldo]

Think the DR have been told off record by three clubs. There will be more.

I’m not itk but I reckon at least 5/6


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[Jim44]

Can anyone fathom what is in the minds of the 9 clubs who actually want a permanent 14 team top league ? Putting Hearts case to one side, I'd like to hear them argue why 14 teams is better than the 12 team set up we have just now. And if it is so much better, why now ? They are barking mad.

You answered your own question a short time ago. Some clubs will be voting yes, hiding behind the no votes of the clubs who have the integrity to vote no because it’s a stupid proposal. Why lose face and peace with the ‘big’ team and still get a no vote? Cowards!

[flash]

Can anyone fathom what is in the minds of the 9 clubs who actually want a permanent 14 team top league ? Putting Hearts case to one side, I'd like to hear them argue why 14 teams is better than the 12 team set up we have just now. And if it is so much better, why now ? They are barking mad.
They maybe think Hertz shouldn't be relegated under these circumstances and this is the only way to remedy this.

[matty_f]

This EGM chat winds me up. EGMs got ditched years ago. We now have AGMs and GMs.

I think it was Doncaster himself that said a short notice EGM would be called, to be fair.

The impression I got was that this code still go ahead to a vote even if it didn't look like passing - on the basis that a proposal only needs the backing of 3 clubs to go to a vote.

[Since452]

This needs to end today. No more of the silliness. Fixtures released this week hopefully.

[Hibs90]

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https://media1.tenor.com/images/b6d3ae64fd45cf34ee2656c3a9d3a704/tenor.gif?itemid=12961301

[04Sauzee]

Kenny Macintyre

Just recorded quite a feisty @BBCSportsound podcast with Craig Levein & @TEnglishSport where Donald Findlay fired a warning shot at the SPFL Board. Will be available in next couple of hours.

[Stuart93]

Kenny Macintyre

Just recorded quite a feisty @BBCSportsound podcast with Craig Levein & @TEnglishSport where Donald Findlay fired a warning shot at the SPFL Board. Will be available in next couple of hours.

****ing yawn

How can these clowns claim they are impartial 😂

[Vault Boy]

A great number of the maroon deludeds seem to be genuinely excited by the prospect of a court case. Is that how bored they are after two years of watching absolute dross? That they'd get giddy about the prospect of *****ing vast sums of cash that they don't have, on a case that they would not only lose, but that would also cause irreparable damage to their relationships with other clubs? It's a pitiful existence forJambos the now.

[Keith_M]

SPFL announce a deal with Close Brothers to provide emergency loans to any struggling Scottish Clubs.


Well, at least they've announced something.




EDIT: It was actually the SFA. Need to read things properly in future :)

[Waxy]

They maybe think Hertz shouldn't be relegated under these circumstances and this is the only way to remedy this.

They finished bottom. Would have been a huge injustice if they had not been relegated.

[stoneyburn hibs]

I’m not itk but I reckon at least 5/6


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Same, and if so it's just a nonsense to put it to a vote with another delay.

[JimBHibees]

****ing yawn

How can these clowns claim they are impartial 😂

To be fair Donald Findlay didn't miss Hearts the last time he was on.

[tamig]

Kenny Macintyre

Just recorded quite a feisty @BBCSportsound podcast with Craig Levein & @TEnglishSport where Donald Findlay fired a warning shot at the SPFL Board. Will be available in next couple of hours.

I wonder what Findlay’s been saying? He was dismissive of the hun claims a few weeks back so not sure what he’s seen since then to hint at any underhand activities by the league. Assuming this relates to a legal challenge of course.

[Dibben]

Clearly our maroon chums want this reconstruction to save themselves (self interest??) - I’ve not seen one good reason to vote for a 14 team top league... not a single one that actually makes any sense!

[flash]

A great number of the maroon deludeds seem to be genuinely excited by the prospect of a court case. Is that how bored they are after two years of watching absolute dross? That they'd get giddy about the prospect of *****ing vast sums of cash that they don't have, on a case that they would not only lose, but would also cause irreparable damage to their relationships with other clubs? It's a pitiful existence forJambos the now.
I fully understand how unpopular this scenario would be but they might actually win in court.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

A great number of the maroon deludeds seem to be genuinely excited by the prospect of a court case. Is that how bored they are after two years of watching absolute dross? That they'd get giddy about the prospect of *****ing vast sums of cash that they don't have, on a case that they would not only lose, but would also cause irreparable damage to their relationships with other clubs? It's a pitiful existence forJambos the now. Amazing that Budge and Stendel have manage to redirect the fans anger away from where it actually lies!!

[Green Blood]

Looking forward to Bodge's statement later, she'll need to come out fighting with lots of threats to keep the slavering hordes of jumbo's happy!

[04Sauzee]

SPFL announce a deal with Close Brothers to provide emergency loans to any struggling Scottish Clubs.


Well, at least they've announced something.
Thought it was the SFA that brokerd this deal? Could be wrong I normally am 😅

[Aldo]

To be fair Donald Findlay didn't miss Hearts the last time he was on.

He will say it as it is and he won’t care what Potter etc says.


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[CB_NO3]

Thought it was the SFA that brokerd this deal? Could be wrong I normally am 😅

It was the SFA.

[RossScott1991]

It’s only been reported in the daily rangers and no where else? Let’s just see any formal announcement before jumping the gun. Sick and tired of this all, it needs decided one way or another today

[The 90+2]

Kenny Macintyre

Just recorded quite a feisty @BBCSportsound podcast with Craig Levein & @TEnglishSport where Donald Findlay fired a warning shot at the SPFL Board. Will be available in next couple of hours.

Hearts fc official podcast live streamed by the beeb now 😂😂😂

[The 90+2]

I wonder what Findlay’s been saying? He was dismissive of the hun claims a few weeks back so not sure what he’s seen since then to hint at any underhand activities by the league. Assuming this relates to a legal challenge of course.

No surrender?

[Aldo]

Hearts fc official podcast live streamed by the beeb now [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

You missed a word after official...... Propaganda.

That’s what it has been and will be


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[chippy]

SPFL announce a deal with Close Brothers to provide emergency loans to any struggling Scottish Clubs.


Well, at least they've announced something.

who or what are Close brothers?

[CropleyWasGod]

who or what are Close brothers?

Well-known merchant bank.

Currently have TRFC by the short and curlies, so not all bad.

[mal]

who or what are Close brothers?

Chang and Eng.

[CapitalGreen]

who or what are Close brothers?

Jedward

[Waxy]

who or what are Close brothers?

Loan sharks ahem finance company

[FilipinoHibs]

who or what are Close brothers?

A small investment bank. The loan will be structured and teams will have to put up collateral. Possibly season ticket sales - heard that one before. High rate of interest which they will repackaged as bonds to their clients.

[h1bs4life]

To be fair Donald Findlay didn't miss Hearts the last time he was on.

He will be helping them fill in their Legal Aid form before taking on the case.
Surely a big huge famous club will not be expected to pay their own Legal Fees .

[Irish_Steve]

Ha ha ha - they are tearing into the ITK crowd (Saughton Jambo and Selkirk) on Brokeback - one said they just spoke bollocks lol

[bingo70]

I wonder what Findlay’s been saying? He was dismissive of the hun claims a few weeks back so not sure what he’s seen since then to hint at any underhand activities by the league. Assuming this relates to a legal challenge of course.

Have Cowdenbeath been wronged in any way? If he’s on the side of the good guys there’s only one winner there, if he’s there to bleat in about it being unfair then can’t imagine that will be too much fun to listen to.

[Since452]

Kenny Macintyre

Just recorded quite a feisty @BBCSportsound podcast with Craig Levein & @TEnglishSport where Donald Findlay fired a warning shot at the SPFL Board. Will be available in next couple of hours.

Donald Findlay ffs 😂

[Peevemor]

Across on keekboak there are a few speaking up against the Saughton/Selkirk ITK twins. It's a pity for them that they weren't called out before.

[Sammy7nil]

He will say it as it is and he won’t care what Potter etc says.


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Said Findlay fires a warning to SPFL

[Waxy]

Have Cowdenbeath been wronged in any way? If he’s on the side of the good guys there’s only one winner there, if he’s there to bleat in about it being unfair then can’t imagine that will be too much fun to listen to.

He said hearts should be relegated when he was on the news a few weeks ago.

[Aldo]

Said Findlay fires a warning to SPFL

Does it. I don’t listen to the Sportsound pish anymore.


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[bingo70]

Said Findlay fires a warning to SPFL

Maybe the warning is to stop being pussies and get on with arranging the new season or it’ll cause further harm to clubs 😉

[James Stephen]

Across on keekboak there are a few speaking up against the Saughton/Selkirk ITK twins. It's a pity for them that they weren't called out before.

The problem itk people always have on these boards - and the same thing happened here with the cat - is that all being itk means is they know someone else who feeds them info.

So they can grandstand and lap up the adulation when that person is right, but they tend to get it tight when the info theyre fed is wrong.

I have no doubt that the saughton guy was passing on his info in good faith (and enjoying the limelight), but his info was all from a self important has been estate agent, whose previous record is running a football club included running up unsustainable debts (and threatening tynecastle as a result) and selling up to romanov, who also nearly killed the club.

The itk people tend not to enjoy the fall as much as the rise, as we saw when hibs.net's own transfer guru disappeared in the huff.

[horseflesh]

who or what are Close brothers?

Department store that found fame in the 70’s comedy Are You Being Served.

[The 90+2]

You missed a word after official...... Propaganda.

That’s what it has been and will be


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Sorry, you’re of course spot on.

[Keith_M]

Thought it was the SFA that brokerd this deal? Could be wrong I normally am 😅


Oops, just read it again and you're right

:greengrin

[Aldo]

Sorry, you’re of course spot on.

[emoji41]


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[The Sundance Kid]

Jamie Borthwick of STV tweeting that reconstruction has been kicked out and next season will begin 12-10-10-10

[HFC93]

Kenny Macintyre

Just recorded quite a feisty @BBCSportsound podcast with Craig Levein & @TEnglishSport where Donald Findlay fired a warning shot at the SPFL Board. Will be available in next couple of hours.

Findlay has talked a lot sense on this over the past few weeks. So has Chick Young. I've always said they're good guys :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

Department store that found fame in the 70’s comedy Are You Being Served.

Pussy.

[JohnM1875]

Only 16 out of 42 backed it! 😂😂.

[Numptie]

@Kheredine
@Kheredine2018
Breaking ;

reconstruction fails , with only 16 clubs backing it from the 42

[Heisenberg]

Only 16 out of 42 backed it! 😂😂.

😂😂

They can’t even grasp onto the “aye but the majority wanted it!!!” line now either.

[Peevemor]

Only 16 out of 42 backed it! 😂😂.

But Saughton/Selkirk said there were 30. Blatant corruption!!!!

[Sammy7nil]

Only 16 out of 42 backed it! 😂😂.

:aok: :top marks :aok: :top marks :greengrin :greengrin

[MurrayfieldHibs]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EajNdx9XgAAhljm?format=jpg&name=900x900

[hibeedonald]

only 16!!! Hahahahah

14 with a split that early on was a terrible setup. I suspect that was the real reason.

[SteveHFC]

Only 16 out of 42 backed it! 😂😂.

Wow if thats true

[Keith_M]

So when's the official vote?


I'm away down to Ladbrokes

[Irish_Steve]

Taken from Brokeback:

23622

[Keith_M]

Pussy.


"And I am unanimous in that!"

[JohnM1875]

But Saughton/Selkirk said there were 30. Blatant corruption!!!!

Surely they'll not be posting on there for a wee while now! The natives will be fizzing at them! 😂

[FilipinoHibs]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EajNdx9XgAAhljm?format=jpg&name=900x900

Knocked out the park. San Miguel is on ice😁

[Since452]

16 clubs 😂😂😂 not even close

[SteveHFC]

So when's the official vote?


I'm away down to Ladbrokes
Won't be one if it only 16 out of 42 as mr deans said we must follow the majority wish

[Jim_in_Canada]

"And I am unanimous in that!"

Are you free, Mrs. Budge ?

[Vault Boy]

I feel like a broken record, but... HAHAHAHAHA

[Irish_Steve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLV4NGpoy_E

lol

[we are hibs]

Hahahahahahahahahha

[Dibben]

So by their logic, if it is 16 - surely they can’t even consider taking legal action.

On Kickback (I know...!!) they were all of 9 of 12 vote for it, it’s a clear mandate for change...

[coldingham hibs]

Plenty grounds will be missing the maroon pound then 😂😂😂