NO to reconstruction

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Leslie Deans part in all of this has more likely done them more harm than good and turned clubs against them rather than in favour of them. I'd expect it would all have been done with Budge's blessing but wouldn't be surprised if she now tries to distance herself from him by suggesting he was acting without her knowledge. In reality, she has made yet another bad decision by backing the wrong person.

The guy was on the attack from the outset when tact and diplomacy was required. Something more along the lines of the Partick statement. When you are in the minority of 1 and you need to get about 30 others on your side but then start chucking threats of legal action around right from the off then no wonder so many of the clubs thought "sod you then, see you in court". They are now potentially even making themselves enemies of those that voted for reconstruction.

:agree:

[aljo7-0]

The ambulance chasing lawyers will be fighting in the streets for this case.
The old cash cow is about to be turned into a dripping roast.
Nice one Doctor.:not worth
I'm a conveyancing solicitor who does not have the first idea of how raise and win a Court case. I'm going to volunteer my services to Queen Ann immediately. If I sign the email "Legal eagle" I'm bound to get the job!

[JimBHibees]

"First of all let me apologise to all Jambos on here for all the information I received and posted in good faith. To anyone who thinks I was playing members on here, then you are entitled to your opinion and no doubt your minds are made up. After speaking with LD a short time ago then I have no doubt that his contact was sincere with his information, likewise when it was given to me. I’m as gutted as the rest of us are. I’m also sorry to the members who I have been in private conversation with as this has ended in the most horrific way for us all. Once again I can only apologise for getting people’s hopes us and I include my own on that. Gut wrenching does not even come close to how I feel at the moment.


As for the crowdfunding page, it was closed down at the request of the management of HMFC as it was felt it was detracting from the objectives of the FOH. They would rather any monies raised to fight a court case is actioned through the FOH ans. it independently. I have respected and complied with their wishes as such.

The final tally of £1,295 has been paid over in two instalments. The first for £1100 and the second for £195. All admin costs were paid for by myself so our club receives the full amount that was raised. Had I had an incline that this vote was 16-26 against, i may have been inclined to ignore the wishes of the club and kept this going.


We live to fight another day and will never forget the clubs that have conspired to put us down.


Always Hearts


Only Hearts


SJ "

Oh how sweet. :greengrin

[A Hi-Bee]

Yes the Turd has now gone, at last.
:thumbsup:

[greenpaper55]

Any legal challenge must just be about monies lost, how can a court impose a new league structure on a company ie the SPFL ? Even if the Yams win their case they will still be in the championship.

[Brunswickbill]

I think that when crowds are back to normal we should make a special effort to take a big crowd to Ross County. The owner, Roy McGregor, has been a stalwart throughout this and often a lone voice of reality when others said nothing or parroted Mrs Budge’s demands.

[Bostonhibby]

Leslie Deans part in all of this has more likely done them more harm than good and turned clubs against them rather than in favour of them. I'd expect it would all have been done with Budge's blessing but wouldn't be surprised if she now tries to distance herself from him by suggesting he was acting without her knowledge. In reality, she has made yet another bad decision by backing the wrong person.

The guy was on the attack from the outset when tact and diplomacy was required. Something more along the lines of the Partick statement. When you are in the minority of 1 and you need to get about 30 others on your side but then start chucking threats of legal action around right from the off then no wonder so many of the clubs thought "sod you then, see you in court". They are now potentially even making themselves enemies of those that voted for reconstruction.If Hearts are looking to sell any houses on generously discounted terms and have the finest conveyancing minds to help them I'm sure Deans will eventually get something right.



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[Andymac85]

Listening to the sportsound podcast, they should just be honest and rename it the Hearts pod.

[SteveHFC]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2020_06/139D6442-C674-41AF-877C-483F59765A94.jpeg.3d86c3f43bfb9c7174d5569e1b0f8ea6 .jpeg

[Mikey]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/08bb0b5148c09b34e033a0c7e0aea625.jpg


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It should be heard in Dundee and the judge should be the Right Honourable Sir Albert of Kidd.

[GreenCastle]

Leslie Deans part in all of this has more likely done them more harm than good and turned clubs against them rather than in favour of them. I'd expect it would all have been done with Budge's blessing but wouldn't be surprised if she now tries to distance herself from him by suggesting he was acting without her knowledge. In reality, she has made yet another bad decision by backing the wrong person.

The guy was on the attack from the outset when tact and diplomacy was required. Something more along the lines of the Partick statement. When you are in the minority of 1 and you need to get about 30 others on your side but then start chucking threats of legal action around right from the off then no wonder so many of the clubs thought "sod you then, see you in court". They are now potentially even making themselves enemies of those that voted for reconstruction.


Lots of own goals by Budge and Hearts related people in the media.

Really hasn’t helped their cause.

I’m amazed they are even actually going to court now - I predicted they wouldn’t and I’m still curious to see what the case actually is they put together.

They are the laughing stock of Scottish football giving the huns a run for their money. Absolutely delighted they are in the Championship next season.

[hibbydad]

I think that when crowds are back to normal we should make a special effort to take a big crowd to Ross County. The owner, Roy McGregor, has been a stalwart throughout this and often a lone voice of reality when others said nothing or parroted Mrs Budge’s demands.
I can tell you all that Roy Mcgregor is an absolutely top notch guy

[Peevemor]

Where did Doncaster get his ‘there is sufficient interest in reconstruction’ from?

The final vote was 16/42 for, ie. 38%. If during informal discussions 4-5 more people had said that they would consider it, keeping an open mind, then they were almost at 50%.

It wasn't enough to go to an EGM, but Doncaster couldn't be seen to completely discount it either.

He did what he had to IMO.

[SteveHFC]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2020_06/Godfather-optimized.gif.095d7ceb9f562b5df5c07a91ab9c1b1d.gif

[SuperAllyMcleod]

I think the difference is that in France, anyway, the Association tried to impose a solution from above without consulting clubs, whereas in Scotland things have been done after consulting with and voting by clubs.

The irony of which is that that is exactly what they wanted Doncaster to do - ignore the voting structure and impose reconstruction.

Their 14 team proposal was flawed from the start, the only way we will change the set up for the better will be a bigger league and only playing teams twice. That’s not going to happen until Scottish Football tells Sky what is going to happen and they can get lost if they don’t like it rather than Sky dictating 4 OF games is a must.

So a long way off.

[kdhibees1]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2020_06/Godfather-optimized.gif.095d7ceb9f562b5df5c07a91ab9c1b1d.gif

Fantastic . 😃

[660]

Now jambos are bleating again about how it’s the only top league in Europe to enforce relegation

[EI255]

The irony of which is that that is exactly what they wanted Doncaster to do - ignore the voting structure and impose reconstruction.

Their 14 team proposal was flawed from the start, the only way we will change the set up for the better will be a bigger league and only playing teams twice. That’s not going to happen until Scottish Football tells Sky what is going to happen and they can get lost if they don’t like it rather than Sky dictating 4 OF games is a must.

So a long way off.Hear, hear [emoji106]

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[brog]

"First of all let me apologise to all Jambos on here for all the information I received and posted in good faith. To anyone who thinks I was playing members on here, then you are entitled to your opinion and no doubt your minds are made up. After speaking with LD a short time ago then I have no doubt that his contact was sincere with his information, likewise when it was given to me. I’m as gutted as the rest of us are. I’m also sorry to the members who I have been in private conversation with as this has ended in the most horrific way for us all. Once again I can only apologise for getting people’s hopes us and I include my own on that. Gut wrenching does not even come close to how I feel at the moment.


As for the crowdfunding page, it was closed down at the request of the management of HMFC as it was felt it was detracting from the objectives of the FOH. They would rather any monies raised to fight a court case is actioned through the FOH ans. it independently. I have respected and complied with their wishes as such.

The final tally of £1,295 has been paid over in two instalments. The first for £1100 and the second for £195. All admin costs were paid for by myself so our club receives the full amount that was raised. Had I had an incline that this vote was 16-26 against, i may have been inclined to ignore the wishes of the club and kept this going.


We live to fight another day and will never forget the clubs that have conspired to put us down.


Always Hearts


Only Hearts


SJ "

I guess that explains why it was an uphill challenge to stay up!! :greengrin

[Jones28]

Tom English and Craig Levein chucking the toys on the sportsound podcast.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Where did Doncaster get his ‘there is sufficient interest in reconstruction’ from?

I’d imagine there were more clubs willing to hear more details about 14, 10, 10, 10 but then, rightly, dismissed it once they got them.

Doncaster was just following the process as he is paid to do.

[EI255]

Any court process will take a long long time. Possibly years.

Take yer medicine ya trumpets!

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[hibbyfraelibby]

Where did Doncaster get his ‘there is sufficient interest in reconstruction’ from?

He had more than 3 intimations of interest. You need 3 clubs to support an EGM motion. Therefore there was sufficient support.

He then fast tracked it to avoid a 28 day waiting period by calling for an indicative vote. By doing so he asked if enough clubs would support the proposal if the 3 clubs submitted their motion which if a majority agreed could be called in 7 days.

As it transpured the minimum of 3 could not get s majority to support it so no point in continuing discussion for this season.

He's played Budgie like a tickled (old) trout.

[CB_NO3]

How does the HSL money go into the club now if its not buying shares?

[Iain G]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

[B]
While many weeks have been wasted in trying to find a solution, we must now formally challenge this outcome.


Hang on here, the one in charge of flapping about and trying to find a solution to this was her! Is she going to take legal action against herself for wasting her own time?!? :greengrin

[brog]

I was at golf today & quickly scanned my phone about 1pm. I alighted on a page which talked about 16 clubs & I thought 16 against it is pretty good. Got home & it was only 16 for it. Just amazing that nearly 70 % of the clubs without a vested interest in reconstruction voted against, 26/38. It's Moretti time for me!

[Peevemor]

Lots of own goals by Budge and Hearts related people in the media.

Really hasn’t helped their cause.

I’m amazed they are even actually going to court now - I predicted they wouldn’t and I’m still curious to see what the case actually is they put together.

They are the laughing stock of Scottish football giving the huns a run for their money. Absolutely delighted they are in the Championship next season.

I'm the same. I think they're going to waste a lot of time and money.

[Steven79]

Hang on here, the one in charge of flapping about and trying to find a solution to this was her! Is she going to take legal action against herself for wasting her own time?!? :greengrinNothing should surprise me with that lot.

Their fans have lost the plot!

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[04Sauzee]

How does the HSL money go into the club now if its not buying shares?

Think this is what alot of supportes aren't sure off. If it goes straight into the club coffers I'd have thought 8000 supporters putting in £5 per month would be easy to achieve that's just short of £500k per year? Maybe that's to simplistic, but I guess if it was that easy we'd have already done it.

[Green_one]

They are literally creaming themselves on kickback over the statement promising legal action. They are certain of victory and making others pay. Talk about psychosis

Unlike the whole of kickback I am not a legal expert but I am certain this is no easy win for them and that unless they are aiming for increased parachute payments, the whole thing is liable to explode in their faces.

Unlike reconstruction, I feel I can sit back and watch the fun. Good old Mr Deans
:cb

[calumhibee1]

It’s actually quite cute the way the hearts fans are talking about how they’re going to take down the big bad bullies.

Quite why they’ve not realised that every guaranteed victory they’ve had in this saga has lead to a crushing defeat and this one will as well I’ll never know.

[Irish_Steve]

Where did Doncaster get his ‘there is sufficient interest in reconstruction’ from?

He`s supposed to be doing a Sky interview but it`s taking too long as he keeps pissing himself laughing...........

[brog]

Bet James Anderson is thinking WTF have I done!!

[Green Blood]

Bet James Anderson is thinking WTF have I done!!

Might withhold the money now. They have history in this department

[Dave-O]

Bet James Anderson is thinking WTF have I done!!


LOL....or possibly thinking WTF is she doing, she'd pissed millions of his hard earned down the shi****
and now she's about to start again. :greengrin

[hibeerealist]

Where did Doncaster get his ‘there is sufficient interest in reconstruction’ from?

Simples, Ann Budge.

[CapitalGreen]

How does the HSL money go into the club now if its not buying shares?

I think they now separate donations with a percentage used for the wild goose chase of buying up shareholding’s from individuals.

[Aldo]

Might withhold the money now. They have history in this department

It’s not their money it’s his money.

He will do as he says. There is no chance he will withhold this money!


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[hibeerealist]

Bet James Anderson is thinking WTF have I done!!

I was thinking about that too Brog, he will not want to be involved in legal action against the very clubs he has generously put £millions in to help. He will also not want to be involved in failure, a relegated club throwing £thousands at a failed legal grasping of straws.

Hopefully, he will review his stance and support Scottish Football in general as opposed to one failing club that are not going to be very popular at all outside of Gorgie!

Think about it JA, you know it makes sense.

[we are hibs]

What changed?

[007]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

The SPFL Board has today announced that any reconstruction proposals for season 2020/21 will not proceed to a vote due to a lack of support from other member clubs.

To say we are disappointed, yet sadly not surprised, at this outcome is, of course, an understatement. We have, from the outset, worked tirelessly with fellow clubs and the SPFL Board to try to find a solution that would right the most obvious wrongs that have been caused in Scottish football by decisions taken as a consequence of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Hearts, along with many others, have stated repeatedly that no club should be disproportionately disadvantaged because of this crisis. This was the final opportunity for kinship to prevail and for Scottish football to stand together in an emergency. It is an unfortunate condemnation of Scottish football that this was not possible.
We thank those who were open minded, pragmatic and willing to come together to try and reach a fair outcome for all. Sadly, there were too few of us.
Now that all other avenues are closed, we are left with no choice but to proceed with a legal challenge. The club has tried throughout these last few months to avoid this course of action but we must now do the right thing by our supporters, our employees, our players and our sponsors, all of whom have been unwavering in their commitment and support. We can hold our heads up high as we have acted at all times with integrity, common sense and with the best interests of Scottish football at heart.
We have stated from the beginning that the unjust and unfair treatment of Hearts, Partick Thistle, Stranraer and indeed other clubs cannot be allowed to go unchallenged. While many weeks have been wasted in trying to find a solution, we must now formally challenge this outcome.
The club can confirm that the necessary steps have been taken to begin this legal challenge. Given that this is now an active legal matter, the club will be offering no further comment at this time.
To our amazing fans we say that we cannot, and will not, sit idly by and watch the decisions made in the past few months further damage Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Thank you for fighting for us, now allow us to do the same for you.

:faf::faf::faf:

How ever will Budge cope not being allowed to put out statement after statement on the subject? Leslie Deans will just have to keep everyone updated instead.

[Baader]

They'll be opening the champagne now I guess... 30 clubs voting for it. :faf:

23633

[calumhibee1]

What changed?

She’s been railroaded into it by their incredibly stupid fans. She’s so soft that I actually feel a bit sorry for her.

She’ll never say no to them yet she’ll be sitting there desperately wishing she didn’t have to do this.

[Mon Dieu4]

I feel if anyone has been damaging Hearts football club it's her and her decision making since she came in, canny believe she is getting off scot-free from the fans, I'd be raging at her handling of the club to get them there in the first place, suppose they have form for it always being someone else's fault

[EI255]

Might withhold the money now. They have history in this departmentIt's certainly wasted money. Even the smallest of clubs have went on record saying the money is not a lot to them.

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[Billy Whizz]

She’s been railroaded into it by their incredibly stupid fans. She’s so soft that I actually feel a bit sorry for her.

She’ll never say no to them yet she’ll be sitting there desperately wishing she didn’t have to do this.

I disagree, she’s let her ego and stubbornness get in the way of running the club properly

[FilipinoHibs]

The irony of which is that that is exactly what they wanted Doncaster to do - ignore the voting structure and impose reconstruction.

Their 14 team proposal was flawed from the start, the only way we will change the set up for the better will be a bigger league and only playing teams twice. That’s not going to happen until Scottish Football tells Sky what is going to happen and they can get lost if they don’t like it rather than Sky dictating 4 OF games is a must.

So a long way off.

In France the court upheld the decision to call the league but suspended the relegation until the League explored the organisation of the top two leagues. Very different from how Hearts and co are portraying it.

[Since452]

They'll be opening the champagne now I guess... 30 clubs voting for it. :faf:

23633

Infighting at Hibs over league reconstruction 😂 who is this SJ clown?

[Joe6-2]

He had more than 3 intimations of interest. You need 3 clubs to support an EGM motion. Therefore there was sufficient support.

He then fast tracked it to avoid a 28 day waiting period by calling for an indicative vote. By doing so he asked if enough clubs would support the proposal if the 3 clubs submitted their motion which if a majority agreed could be called in 7 days.

As it transpured the minimum of 3 could not get s majority to support it so no point in continuing discussion for this season.

He's played Budgie like a tickled (old) trout.

Thanks to all for replying to me!

[greenpaper55]

Given AB's history of good decision making this court case could be a mistake of epic proportions, if she decides to try and delay the start of Scottish football with all the financial ramifications of that then she will find her club will be toxic to the rest of the clubs up here. Maybe the SPFL should have a vote to expel them ?

[Waxy]

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

The SPFL Board has today announced that any reconstruction proposals for season 2020/21 will not proceed to a vote due to a lack of support from other member clubs.

To say we are disappointed, yet sadly not surprised, at this outcome is, of course, an understatement. We have, from the outset, worked tirelessly with fellow clubs and the SPFL Board to try to find a solution that would right the most obvious wrongs that have been caused in Scottish football by decisions taken as a consequence of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Hearts, along with many others, have stated repeatedly that no club should be disproportionately disadvantaged because of this crisis. This was the final opportunity for kinship to prevail and for Scottish football to stand together in an emergency. It is an unfortunate condemnation of Scottish football that this was not possible.
We thank those who were open minded, pragmatic and willing to come together to try and reach a fair outcome for all. Sadly, there were too few of us.
Now that all other avenues are closed, we are left with no choice but to proceed with a legal challenge. The club has tried throughout these last few months to avoid this course of action but we must now do the right thing by our supporters, our employees, our players and our sponsors, all of whom have been unwavering in their commitment and support. We can hold our heads up high as we have acted at all times with integrity, common sense and with the best interests of Scottish football at heart.
We have stated from the beginning that the unjust and unfair treatment of Hearts, Partick Thistle, Stranraer and indeed other clubs cannot be allowed to go unchallenged. While many weeks have been wasted in trying to find a solution, we must now formally challenge this outcome.
The club can confirm that the necessary steps have been taken to begin this legal challenge. Given that this is now an active legal matter, the club will be offering no further comment at this time.
To our amazing fans we say that we cannot, and will not, sit idly by and watch the decisions made in the past few months further damage Heart of Midlothian Football Club. Thank you for fighting for us, now allow us to do the same for you.

:faf::faf::faf:weird how she thinks she was working towards finding a solution? Solution to what? Only they had a problem. They finished bottom and tried to get out of relegation.

[Bostonhibby]

They'll be opening the champagne now I guess... 30 clubs voting for it. :faf:

23633Is there any news on when the maroon pounder champagne will be available, price, delivery etc? Supply shouldn't be a problem given the source I imagine they've been bottling it for months.

Maybe holding back for the outcome of the legal case, especially since sevco and celtc plus some of the other minority voters could be seriously prejudiced by it.

Just asking for a friend.

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[darwenhibby]

Given AB's history of good decision making this court case could be a mistake of epic proportions, if she decides to try and delay the start of Scottish football with all the financial ramifications of that then she will find her club will be toxic to the rest of the clubs up here. Maybe the SPFL should have a vote to expel them ?
Then the famous might get welcomed in to the English premier league with open arms!
This could be the plan all along !
Scottish Football will be doomed without them

[Mon Dieu4]

Their small man syndrome knows no bounds, so much so they are changing the words to their own songs :faf::faf::faf:

****ing hurting big time

If you canny read the picture, it's "away up in Gorgie at tynecastle park, there's a BIG football team" hahahah

[Hibeesmad]

If they thought a legal case was to be successful they would have went straight in for that before pushing for reconstruction which they knew wouldnt happen.

[Aldo]

Their small man syndrome knows no bounds, so much so they are changing the words to their own songs :faf::faf::faf:

****ing hurting big time

If you canny read the picture, it's "away up in Gorgie at tynecastle park, there's a BIG football team" hahahah

And there’s me thinking it was my eyesight!!

Superb. Big and famous alright.


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[green day]

Tom English has been horrific today, he has lost all sense of perspective simply because he backed the wrong horse. Now throwing mud at Roy McGregor.

It wouldnt surprise me if he thought it was a good idea for Hearts to bankrupt all these small teams............

[Hibeesmad]

There is only one place to watch Scottish Premiership football in Edinburgh next season. Buy your season ticket now.

[EI255]

Staughton Jambos day must have went extremely pear-shaped. Oh dear! [emoji16]

(keep yer champagne for yer Dunfermline derby.... you might even win it [emoji12])

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[JeMeSouviens]

Tom English has been horrific today, he has lost all sense of perspective simply because he backed the wrong horse. Now throwing mud at Roy McGregor.

It wouldnt surprise me if he thought it was a good idea for Hearts to bankrupt all these small teams............

This is the guy who was "all in" on Craig Whyte as well. Track record not looking too great, tbh. :greengrin

[greenpaper55]

Partick not taking legal action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53052757

[EI255]

Tom English has been horrific today, he has lost all sense of perspective simply because he backed the wrong horse. Now throwing mud at Roy McGregor.

It wouldnt surprise me if he thought it was a good idea for Hearts to bankrupt all these small teams............It's as pleasing as hearing how hurt Staughton Jumbo is..... Tom English.... Suffer ya fud [emoji12]

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[Waxy]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200413/17ea9fcf4a81639b1d44b40b80224681.jpg

Karma you say?

[Peevemor]

Partick not taking legal action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53052757

Was it not Thistle who had already consulted 2 QCs?

[Coco Bryce]

Tom English has been horrific today, he has lost all sense of perspective simply because he backed the wrong horse. Now throwing mud at Roy McGregor.

It wouldnt surprise me if he thought it was a good idea for Hearts to bankrupt all these small teams............

Tom English has been nothing short of disgusting during the last couple of months.

Has lost loads of respect with fans from clubs all over Scotland and gets ripped apart daily on Twitter because of this.

[GreenCastle]

If they thought a legal case was to be successful they would have went straight in for that before pushing for reconstruction which they knew wouldnt happen.

Yup.

Why wait - that’s what my Jambo lawyer friend said.

Budge probably feels she has to or there will be some backlash on her. The opposite is they lose even more money and become in a worse situation.

You think they would learn to stay quiet and even claiming victory for the case is going to look silly like their last few predicted outcomes.

Budge could be doing with Anderson for the case but wouldn’t look ethically right if she did now so shall be interesting to see how she approaches this.

[Aldo]

Was it not Thistle who had already consulted 2 QCs?

Not sure but Budge chose again to mention them in her statement last time and once again PTFC have came out and confirmed their stance.


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[GreenCastle]

Tom English has been nothing short of disgusting during the last couple of months.

Has lost loads of respect with fans from clubs all over Scotland and gets ripped apart daily on Twitter because of this.

Agreed.

He’s lost the plot and actually can’t stand listening to him anymore.

Don’t trust a word he says and I feel he’s been found out last few weeks.

There aren’t actually many pundits who I actually respect / trust. So many talk rubbish and as a result don’t listen to them discuss several situations as they all struggle to actually discuss the situation properly.

[leithsansiro]

I’ve got a wee plan for a novelisation based our poor maroon chums woes...

There’s a really unpopular kid at high school. Nobody likes him and he doesn’t get invited to the biggest party of the year. He’s been at previous ones but always just kind of loitered around acting like he might be a big shot, without realising everyone else thought he was a bit of a plank.

Party invitations go out and he doesn’t get one. Wildly furious, he demands that his classmates given one, despite him having embarrassed himself at the last one. Reluctantly, his classmates suggest that maybe, providing he can produce a convincing argument as to why, he can maybe get an invite. He concocts a half-baked idea that is full of holes and is furious when his classmates decide not to invite him after all.

In retaliation, he decides that the most reasonable course of action is to boycott going to everyone’s houses in town and shouts in the street that he hopes most of them die.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Well it's been a rollercoaster ride to say the least

But one thing about this whole affair that has been very (and to use a jambo word) "pleasing" is how Hearts have shown their true colours

We've said it for years, but their attitude and handling of this has made them the target of disdain, ridicule and mockery for supporters of all clubs up and down the country

You're welcome to the party but what took you so long!?!

[Aldo]

Tom English has been horrific today, he has lost all sense of perspective simply because he backed the wrong horse. Now throwing mud at Roy McGregor.

It wouldnt surprise me if he thought it was a good idea for Hearts to bankrupt all these small teams............

I don’t listen to Sportsound but from what has been written about him he sounds like a big baby or a petulant child whose not happy they are not getting their own way!

He must surely be treading a thin line.


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[Wakeyhibee]

Wonderful vote for common sense today. Something we don't see too often.

I can only see a bad outcome for Hearts regardless of of the outcome to any legal proceedings.

If they lose it will be damaging financially, if they win and/ or postpone the restart, they will be the outcasts for decades to come.

You would think that CAS is the least damaging option but going off her history of poor decision making I doubt it.

[truehibernian]

Was it not Thistle who had already consulted 2 QCs?

Aye, but you really need to have the ear and expertise of an estate agent with 45 years experience of selling houses to know how to win civil court cases, dontchaknow :greengrin

[hibeerealist]

Infighting at Hibs over league reconstruction 😂 who is this SJ clown?

One of their resident Roasters!!

Supposedly ITK had them all beLIEving but sadly to no avail as it was all p ash!!

[Since452]

How funny would it be if Dundee won the league and St Mirren beat them in the playoffs

[Waxy]

Well it's been a rollercoaster ride to say the least

But one thing about this whole affair that has been very (and to use a jambo word) "pleasing" is how Hearts have shown their true colours

We've said it for years, but their attitude and handling of this has made them the target of disdain, ridicule and mockery for supporters of all clubs up and down the country

You're welcome to the party but what took you so long!?!
Its like their mask has been ripped off for all to see when only we could see them previously.

[007]

Should be a pleasant atmosphere at the cup semi final.

[Callum_62]

Any idea how the vote went?

Who voted for it in the Premier league?

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[munchar]

Shameless!
Still going on about the clubs affected, integrity, good of Scottish football blah, blah, blah.
So Hearts to go up with Caley. Caley weren’t in an automatic promotion place, only in play offs. So Dundee, Ayr, Arbroath to step aside because of final league placing, but we’ve to forget Hearts final last placing. Remember, they weren’t 5 points from safety, only a play off spot. They were 7 points from 3rd bottom (6 if goal difference better), with 8 games to go. Probably had to win 5 from last 8, when they only had 4/30 until now. Take your medicine & move on. Only yourselves to blame for finishing bottom, NOBODY else’s!

[Waxy]

Should be a pleasant atmosphere at the cup semi final.

Lol balloons and face painting?

[Sammy7nil]

Listening to the sportsound podcast, they should just be honest and rename it the Hearts pod.


Tom English and Craig Levein chucking the toys on the sportsound podcast.


Tom English has been horrific today, he has lost all sense of perspective simply because he backed the wrong horse. Now throwing mud at Roy McGregor.

It wouldnt surprise me if he thought it was a good idea for Hearts to bankrupt all these small teams............

Yip when Donald Findlay is the voice of reason the other contributors have lost it. Craig was very bitter "if Cowdenbeath expect to get any loan players from Hearts they are wrong" Tom was desperately trying to put words in Donald's mouth asking him to speak on behalf of other clubs and the SPFL.

As this was recorded prior to the 26 - 16 demolition i assume Craig and Tom will stick with we are right and everyone else is wrong. :tee hee::tee hee::tee hee: give it up boys game over.

[hibeerealist]

Tom English has been horrific today, he has lost all sense of perspective simply because he backed the wrong horse. Now throwing mud at Roy McGregor.

It wouldnt surprise me if he thought it was a good idea for Hearts to bankrupt all these small teams............

Listened to him tearing into Donald Finlay earlier aided and abetted by Levein, he sounded like some roaster from keekback NOT a so called "independent radio host" he should stick to rugby as he knows **** all about fitba!!

[Irish_Steve]

Should be a pleasant atmosphere at the cup semi final.

A big flag with "Thanks for the money, Jimmy"??

[JeMeSouviens]

BBC political correspondent weighs in:


Philip Sim @BBCPhilipSim
Replying to @PeatWorrier

Looking forward to a Scottish court setting the stunning precedent that football teams should look to avoid losing most of their games if they don't want to get relegated

:top marks

[Cabbage East]

Just listened to that podcast which was BEFORE the vote. Tom English has completely lost it. He clearly has a vested interest in Hearts. He sounds absolutely deranged. He made Donald Findlay sound good, that tells you all you need to know :aok:

[grunt]

BBC political correspondent weighs in:



:top marks:greengrin

[Hibeesforever]

Yip when Donald Findlay is the voice of reason the other contributors have lost it. Craig was very bitter "if Cowdenbeath expect to get any loan players from Hearts they are wrong" Tom was desperately trying to put words in Donald's mouth asking him to speak on behalf of other clubs and the SPFL.

As this was recorded prior to the 26 - 16 demolition i assume Craig and Tom will stick with we are right and everyone else is wrong. :tee hee::tee hee::tee hee: give it up boys game over.

That podcast was such a good listen...English is such a Jambo, everything else is just poor governance and self interest...hilarious show because you always have remember that it is Crsig Levein's fault Hearts got relegated, so talking about things being unfair is so funny because he is the real problem but can't admit it. Donald Finlay the voice of reason, who would have thought it!

[Bostonhibby]

Aye, but you really need to have the ear and expertise of an estate agent with 45 years experience of selling houses to know how to win civil court cases, dontchaknow :greengrinAnd get 3 QC's it's what big teams do, and the 3 QC's will definitely take your money.

Pleasing



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[portohibee]

Should be a pleasant atmosphere at the cup semi final.

Anne Budge masks anyone??

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Personalised-Face-Masks/116724/bn_7023556050

[Ronniekirk]

Should be a pleasant atmosphere at the cup semi final.

Thier fans will no doubt play the Its all the motivation we need to put them out the Cup line
And yes the Atmosphere will be Poisonous and Electric
They may well start recruiting for that one game b us that defines Thier season


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[Ronniekirk]

Listened to him tearing into Donald Finlay earlier aided and abetted by Levein, he sounded like some roaster from keekback NOT a so called "independent radio host" he should stick to rugby as he knows **** all about fitba!!

We should put in a compliant about his lack of bias So pro Hearts it’s unreal


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[Jakhog1]

Thank the lord that this has now been put to bed, the way Hearts have behaved during this whole process has been utterly shameful, completely amateur from them, I should not be surprised given their recent track record with stand builds and managerial appointments, kind of want them to take legal action now with their dafties of budge, Dean's and foulkes, keep the cameras rolling documentary team

[007]

Anne Budge masks anyone??

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Personalised-Face-Masks/116724/bn_7023556050

Plus some Leslie Deans and Neil Doncaster ones.

[Rumble de Thump]

When Hearts fans finally realise that it is in fact their club that's been acting shamefully throughout this whole situation...


https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU

[Jakhog1]

Plus some Leslie Deans and Neil ones.

We could get them all done of Dean's, foulkes, budge and Levein, get them ready for Halloween just in time for the jambos to kick-start their season, although I don't want to traumatise the kids to much

[Green Blood]

Remember " The Team That Wouldn't Die videos? They should do something similar "The Turd That Wouldn't Flush ( but did eventually) or
The Team That Didn't Do Sporting Integrity.

[weecounty hibby]

Partick not taking legal action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53052757

Probably because they have had legal advice that it's a non starter. Plus the fact they have more class than the tarts. They are ****ing disgusting. Anytime anyone anywhere tells you they are doing it for the greater good and that's it's just not fair. Show them the creditors list from a few years back. Classless, graceless, morally bankrupt, disgusting, poppy theiving charity robbing tax dodging pension stealing NHS didling cheats. Off ye pop and don't come ****ing back again

[NYHibby]

BBC political correspondent weighs in:



The tweet he is replying to says that Hearts are bringing a JR. Has anyone seen this confirmed anywhere?

If Hearts are JRing the April vote and if they are ultimately successful in the challenge, the remedy would be that the decision would be quashed.

But the thing is that the exact same decision could then be remade correcting the procedural impropriety (assuming that is Hearts ground of challenge). They would end up at exactly the same place as they are now. Yes, Hearts would get their costs, which never actually cover 100% of your costs, but they would gain nothing other than potential alienating a bunch of people while making Scottish football look less attractive to sponsors in the process.

[CB_NO3]

26 teams voted against reconstruction. The same 26 teams will have a drop in revenue of at least 30 to 40% in the coming year or so. Surely these 26 teams would not want an additional £8 million bill which would suggest all 26 teams would have done a bit due diligence on the legal aspects.

The County chairman is adamant Hearts would lose a court case. Donald Findlay said 2 weeks ago Hearts would lose a court case. Doncaster a solicitor by trade looked confident yesterday that Hearts would not really have a court case agenda as its nothing like the situation in France.

[Lago]

Just listened to that podcast which was BEFORE the vote. Tom English has completely lost it. He clearly has a vested interest in Hearts. He sounds absolutely deranged. He made Donald Findlay sound good, that tells you all you need to know :aok:
It's strange the way he's become, in the early days of him being involved with BBC Sport I actually thought at last we have an independent non bias commentator. Now he's totally gone loopy lou. 😵

[Hibeesmad]

26 teams voted against reconstruction. The same 26 teams will have a drop in revenue of at least 30 to 40% in the coming year or so. Surely these 26 teams would not want an additional £8 million bill which would suggest all 26 teams would have done a bit due diligence on the legal aspects.

The County chairman is adamant Hearts would lose a court case. Donald Findlay said 2 weeks ago Hearts would lose a court case. Doncaster a solicitor by trade looked confident yesterday that Hearts would not really have a court case agenda as its nothing like the situation in France.

Yep. They took part in a vote where majority of teams in Scotland voted to end the season early. Completely different to the situation in France.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

https://twitter.com/jkbmeltdown/status/1272517898859397121?s=21

[Iain G]

26 teams voted against reconstruction. The same 26 teams will have a drop in revenue of at least 30 to 40% in the coming year or so. Surely these 26 teams would not want an additional £8 million bill which would suggest all 26 teams would have done a bit due diligence on the legal aspects.

The County chairman is adamant Hearts would lose a court case. Donald Findlay said 2 weeks ago Hearts would lose a court case. Doncaster a solicitor by trade looked confident yesterday that Hearts would not really have a court case agenda as its nothing like the situation in France.

But a wee Jambo conveyancing bloke could make them a fixed price offer?!

[Hillsidehibby]

Probably because they have had legal advice that it's a non starter. Plus the fact they have more class than the tarts. They are ****ing disgusting. Anytime anyone anywhere tells you they are doing it for the greater good and that's it's just not fair. Show them the creditors list from a few years back. Classless, graceless, morally bankrupt, disgusting, poppy theiving charity robbing tax dodging pension stealing NHS didling cheats. Off ye pop and don't come ****ing back again

Well said.

Remember quite a few of them saying it was worth it to win the cup twice.

[green day]

Stuart Wallace showing that - deep down - he is just a fud

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/06/15/foundation-of-hearts-back-legal-challenge-and-hit-out-at-rival-chairmen/

[huggie1875]

Probably because they have had legal advice that it's a non starter. Plus the fact they have more class than the tarts. They are ****ing disgusting. Anytime anyone anywhere tells you they are doing it for the greater good and that's it's just not fair. Show them the creditors list from a few years back. Classless, graceless, morally bankrupt, disgusting, poppy theiving charity robbing tax dodging pension stealing NHS didling cheats. Off ye pop and don't come ****ing back again


yep FOREVER TAINTED and never let them forget it

[Peevemor]

Stuart Wallace showing that - deep down - he is just a fud

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/06/15/foundation-of-hearts-back-legal-challenge-and-hit-out-at-rival-chairmen/Crikey!

“For our part, however, the staggering, mean-spirited, self-interest demonstrated by certain chairmen – whose utter dearth of mettle has been fully exposed – will serve to strengthen our resolve and galvanise our efforts to take this club forward with your continued support.”

Look at him. He couldn't be anything other than a jambo.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/dbabea97439ab7eda0a3f9f2fb8a50c0.jpg

[Since452]

Stuart Wallace showing that - deep down - he is just a fud

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/06/15/foundation-of-hearts-back-legal-challenge-and-hit-out-at-rival-chairmen/

"the club has acted with integrity". Is he for real? They should be utterly ashamed of the way they've behaved from the word go. These folk live on another planet. I hope they go to the wall again.

[HibbySpurs]

Just about to drive home and listen to the Sportsound podcast on the way, I’ve avoided hearing much about it but think I’m going to find it a “pleasing” listen.

[NYHibby]

If they thought a legal case was to be successful they would have went straight in for that before pushing for reconstruction which they knew wouldnt happen.


Yup.

Why wait - that’s what my Jambo lawyer friend said.



I’d think twice before taking legal advice from your jambo friend.

If they are intending to JR, they must show that they have exhausted the alternative remedies. Now I’m not sure the league could have been successful arguing that Hearts failed to do so if Hearts hadn’t had push for reconstruction, but Hearts are arguably in a stronger position on this point having had tried.

Generally speaking though, you are more likely to get what you want from a court if you try to resolve your problem first without involving the court.

[Sammy7nil]

Hearts fans raging that tiny diddy teams like Clyde and cowdenbeath can vote them down.

"Can you imagine Liverpool and Man City putting up with this" :rotflmao::crazy:

Comparing Hearts to those clubs :tee hee: has anyone told them neither Liverpool nor Man City finished bottom of there league. Whilst we know Hearts are a Famous Massive Huge club they may be just a tad behind those two :tee hee::tee hee:

[Since452]

Hearts fans raging that tiny diddy teams like Clyde and cowdenbeath can vote them down.

"Can you imagine Liverpool and Man City putting up with this" :rotflmao::crazy:

Comparing Hearts to those clubs :tee hee: has anyone told them neither Liverpool nor Man City finished bottom of there league. Whilst we know Hearts are a Famous Massive Huge club they may be just a tad behind those two :tee hee::tee hee:

They do realise they haven't won a league game outside of Edinburgh since March 2019? Hearts are closer to Accrington Stanley than either of those two clubs.

[Real Emerald]

Stuart Wallace showing that - deep down - he is just a fud

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/06/15/foundation-of-hearts-back-legal-challenge-and-hit-out-at-rival-chairmen/

A real shame other clubs didn’t put self interest aside and the good of Scottish football first like Hearts did! Hearts of course went for a damaging 14 team league that is in the interest of....erm Hearts and when they don’t get it they put the interests of all other clubs first by suing them. 👍 What an unselfish thoughtful club eh!

[CropleyWasGod]

I’d think twice before taking legal advice from your jambo friend.

If they are intending to JR, they must show that they have exhausted the alternative remedies. Now I’m not sure the league could have been successful arguing that Hearts failed to do so if Hearts hadn’t had push for reconstruction, but Hearts are arguably in a stronger position on this point having had tried.

Generally speaking though, you are more likely to get what you want from a court if you try to resolve your problem first without involving the court.

Your last paragraph sums up my recent thoughts, which others have mentioned. They want money, without having to shell out for it. An out-of-court settlement would satisfy that, and the threat of Court action might be enough to push things that way.

[HoboHarry]

They do realise they haven't won a league game outside of Edinburgh since March 2019? Hearts are closer to Accrington Stanley than either of those two clubs.
What have Accrington Stanley done to you to deserve that slur?

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Listened to him tearing into Donald Finlay earlier aided and abetted by Levein, he sounded like some roaster from keekback NOT a so called "independent radio host" he should stick to rugby as he knows **** all about fitba!!


Donald Findlay is an erse of a man but he played that pair beautifully. Funniest thing I've heard for ages. :faf:

[Green Blood]

Will we find out how each club voted or will it be kept a secret?

[Billy Whizz]

Your last paragraph sums up my recent thoughts, which others have mentioned. They want money, without having to shell out for it. An out-of-court settlement would satisfy that, and the threat of Court action might be enough to push things that way.

Wonder how you’d value this though? They can hardly make a claim based on normal times

[Tug Wilson]

Listening to Sportsound podcast.

Donald Findlay is so good.

Tom English losing it.

Craig Levein is coming across as "petty and pathetic" to use Findlay's words.

[Andy74]

Crikey!

“For our part, however, the staggering, mean-spirited, self-interest demonstrated by certain chairmen – whose utter dearth of mettle has been fully exposed – will serve to strengthen our resolve and galvanise our efforts to take this club forward with your continued support.”

Look at him. He couldn't be anything other than a jambo.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/dbabea97439ab7eda0a3f9f2fb8a50c0.jpg

It is always easier to take failure when you can blame others and particularly if you feel that there has been some sort of injustice. They've convinced themselves, albeit they won't convince many others.

They will continue with this sort of chat because they will believe it will galvanise the support and keep the money coming in. They will be bleating about this injustice and corruption for years I suggest rather than facing up to the fact that they were bottom of the league and certain decision just had to be taken.

I doubt they will learn from it and reflect on what they can differently as a club. Ordinarily I'd say it would be better for clubs in that position to try and change and rebuild but I know they won't do it and knowing them they will probably be no worse for it in the long run.

[AltheHibby]

I’d think twice before taking legal advice from your jambo friend.

If they are intending to JR, they must show that they have exhausted the alternative remedies. Now I’m not sure the league could have been successful arguing that Hearts failed to do so if Hearts hadn’t had push for reconstruction, but Hearts are arguably in a stronger position on this point having had tried.

Generally speaking though, you are more likely to get what you want from a court if you try to resolve your problem first without involving the court.

I used to be on the governing council of an organisation that lost a JR (and rightly so given the evidence). We lost because a member of staff misused their powers and the decision cost us upwards of £500k.

We seemed to have a strong case, but lost because we didn't follow the rules as laid down. Unlike us, ND has followed the rules, so I expect the SPFL to win if it goes to court. (But that's just my opinion)

[Bostonhibby]

Stuart Wallace showing that - deep down - he is just a fud

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/06/15/foundation-of-hearts-back-legal-challenge-and-hit-out-at-rival-chairmen/He should just focus on giving as much money to Mrs doctor Budge as possible, it's why his entity exists and the last thing any of us want is someone else running either of these two circuses given what they've achieved between them so far.

Keep up the good work I say.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Wonder how you’d value this though? They can hardly make a claim based on normal times

NYH will have his thoughts, but IMO it'll come down to negotiation, with very little of that based in reality.

Hearts will say x

SPFL will say y

The settlement will be (x + y)÷2

...or something like that.

The lawyers will get x+y 😁

[wookie70]

I’ve got a wee plan for a novelisation based our poor maroon chums woes...

There’s a really unpopular kid at high school. Nobody likes him and he doesn’t get invited to the biggest party of the year. He’s been at previous ones but always just kind of loitered around acting like he might be a big shot, without realising everyone else thought he was a bit of a plank.

Party invitations go out and he doesn’t get one. Wildly furious, he demands that his classmates given one, despite him having embarrassed himself at the last one. Reluctantly, his classmates suggest that maybe, providing he can produce a convincing argument as to why, he can maybe get an invite. He concocts a half-baked idea that is full of holes and is furious when his classmates decide not to invite him after all.

In retaliation, he decides that the most reasonable course of action is to boycott going to everyone’s houses in town and shouts in the street that he hopes most of them die.

I'd go for a reunion plot where he nearly pulled the best looking lassie in the 80s. Denied at the last minute when a big boy stepped in and he ran away to the toilet. His old boy was a nasty piece of work back then and gave him loads of dough so he always had the most expensive things, all bought on tick. Now he has returned with the cash his old fellow squirreled away before bankruptcy hoping to make an impression on all his loser classmates. They of course got their grades, became professionals and now laugh at him standing in the corner alone. He gets the message eventually before leaving in a shower of spit as he complains about how unfair it all is.

[NYHibby]

Your last paragraph sums up my recent thoughts, which others have mentioned. They want money, without having to shell out for it. An out-of-court settlement would satisfy that, and the threat of Court action might be enough to push things that way.

As I mentioned above, if they are in fact JRing as rumoured on twitter, the remedy available is quashing the decision. This isn’t the kind of JR where they would get damages. They’d be getting questionable legal advice if they thought they directly get money. Why would the league offer a remedy in order to settle which wasn’t available if this went to trial?

Directly as in a cash payment as opposed to indirectly getting more money by not being relegated.

[Andy74]

NYH will have his thoughts, but IMO it'll come down to negotiation, with very little of that based in reality.

Hearts will say x

SPFL will say y

The settlement will be (x + y)÷2

...or something like that.

Or more likely the SPFL will just ask Hearts to go ahead with their action knowing they don't have a case.

[Tug Wilson]

Donald Findlay is an erse of a man but he played that pair beautifully. Funniest thing I've heard for ages. :faf:

Tom English trying to trip up a man whose whole career is debating and tripping up others.

Laughed out loud when Donald Findlay said "Am I not speaking English here?". He never got flustered, he listened, batted away their nonsense and he drove Levein and English's blood pressure sky high.

Favourite bit was when he claimed that Cowdenbeath had a chance to make the play offs but gave that up for the good of Scottish football.

Levein wades in with "I've watched Cowdenbeath this season, you were never getting promoted".

Findlay retorts "And Hearts were getting relegated"

[CropleyWasGod]

As I mentioned above, if they are in fact JRing as rumoured on twitter, the remedy is quashing the decision. This isn’t the kind of JR where they would get damages. They’d be getting questionable legal advice if they thought they directly get money. Why would the league offer a remedy in order to settle which wasn’t available if this went to trial?

Directly as in a cash payment as opposed to indirectly by not being relegated.

Fair points. I think cash is more important to them, though.

[JohnMcM]

They're gone now. Fairly or unfairly depends upon individual stances. It is clear for all to see how they and their allies have chosen to act, with most of their actions driven by guiltless disregard of some vulnerable teams at a time of worl-wide crisis they tried shamelessly to use to their gain.

What comes out of any legal challenge they may make is far in the future. The here and now is what's important for Scottish football. Hopefully everyone including the media will see this and focus forward.

:flag:

[bingo70]

Listening to Sportsound podcast.

Donald Findlay is so good.

Tom English losing it.

Craig Levein is coming across as "petty and pathetic" to use Findlay's words.

What was Findlay’s warning to the Spfl they were advertising in the build up to the show?

Jambos seem to be saying Findlay struggled and English put him in his place.

Knowing what Findlay is like I struggle to believe that narrative.

[Man Down Under]

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[Keith_M]

Somebody said they could be doing a JR, or JRing

Aside from the obvious....

What's a JR?

[jacomo]

Stuart Wallace showing that - deep down - he is just a fud

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/06/15/foundation-of-hearts-back-legal-challenge-and-hit-out-at-rival-chairmen/


Did he consider that maybe most clubs voted against the reconstruction proposals because they were awful?

Take some responsibility ya useless Jambos.

[et_hibby]

Findlay was exceptional in that. Strong, dignified, honest and calm, unlike the rest of the participants.

[NYHibby]

Somebody said they could be doing a JR, or JRing

Aside from the obvious....

What's a JR?

Judicial review. So like the prorogation of parliament case from last year. As opposed to breach of contract or some kind of tortious claim

[The Harp Awakes]

It's strange the way he's become, in the early days of him being involved with BBC Sport I actually thought at last we have an independent non bias commentator. Now he's totally gone loopy lou. 😵

There's something not right about not just on TE's position throughout this saga, but also in the emotional way he's communicating. He clearly has a vested interest in Hearts not being relegated. Is he a Hearts fan, a shareholder or on their payroll?

His attitude towards Hibs after the bench bust up at the Rangers game at Easter Road last year was also noteworthy. He called out the Hibs bench as being the antagonists that day. Wind on months later and the authorities rightly disciplined a Rangers coach. He was at it that day and he is at it again.

[JimBHibees]

Donald Findlay is an erse of a man but he played that pair beautifully. Funniest thing I've heard for ages. :faf:

Absolutely toyed with them. Was like a kitten playing with two balls of wool. :greengrin

[Andy74]

Judicial review. So like the prorogation of parliament case from last year. As opposed to breach of contract or some kind of tortious claim

They are making it up as they go along - obviously.

They've talked about restraint of trade, they are still talking today about injustice and unfairness.

A judicial review won't deal with any of that, it will review a question of procedure. I assume that will be based on the initial vote and whether it was carried out properly.

[JimBHibees]

What was Findlay’s warning to the Spfl they were advertising in the build up to the show?

Jambos seem to be saying Findlay struggled and English put him in his place.

Knowing what Findlay is like I struggle to believe that narrative.

Just listened to it. Can't remember him warning the board about anything beyond maybe looking to get a date for his league to start. He absolutely toyed with Levein and English. Levein was shot down by Findlay calling him petty and pathetic when Levein made some comment about Hearts unlikely to loan a player to Cowdenbeath. Well worth a listen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08h145s

[Radium]

Absolutely toyed with them. Was like a kitten playing with two balls of wool. :greengrin

https://twitter.com/libertine95/status/1272548594990698501?s=21

... was it not mentioned that James Anderson’s daughter is a Cowdenbeath fan...


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They do seem to be hated right enough. I think even Rangers might be more popular amongst other clubs' fans.

[bingo70]

They are making it up as they go along - obviously.

They've talked about restraint of trade, they are still talking today about injustice and unfairness.

A judicial review won't deal with any of that, it will review a question of procedure. I assume that will be based on the initial vote and whether it was carried out properly.

I’m sure Doncaster will point to the investigation they got done as evidence of no wrong doing.

Is there any route they can go down that could delay the start of the season?

[G B Young]

Findlay was exceptional in that. Strong, dignified, honest and calm, unlike the rest of the participants.

Tom English is clearly raging that he's been made to look like little more than a Budge sycophant:

https://twitter.com/TEnglishSport?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Ese rp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Trying to throw the fact that Brechin didn't get relegated into the mix now. It's desperate stuff.

[Real Emerald]

I’m sure Doncaster will point to the investigation they got done as evidence of no wrong doing.

Is there any route they can go down that could delay the start of the season?
If they delayed the start of the season they would be hammered by the other clubs and would quite rightly face some dire consequences.

[Jdawg]

Donald Findlay is an erse of a man but he played that pair beautifully. Funniest thing I've heard for ages. :faf:

What chances do these 2 imbeciles have against one of the finest QC’s Scotland has to offer 😂

[Andy74]

I’m sure Doncaster will point to the investigation they got done as evidence of no wrong doing.

Is there any route they can go down that could delay the start of the season?

At worst that vote would have to be held again. I would doubt the result would be any different given the need to get on with things. Not going to happen though.

The noises they have made don't really add up to taking the review route though.

[Keith_M]

Judicial review. So like the prorogation of parliament case from last year. As opposed to breach of contract or some kind of tortious claim


OK, thanks.

That seems a bit different to taking somebody to court to sue them for millions of (alleged) lost earnings.

[HoboHarry]

What chances do these 2 imbeciles have against one of the finest QC’s Scotland has to offer 😂
That was painful to listen to, I expected Levein to be out of his depth intellectually but I was surprised at how badly Tom English was found wanting.

[Ronniekirk]

"the club has acted with integrity". Is he for real? They should be utterly ashamed of the way they've behaved from the word go. These folk live on another planet. I hope they go to the wall again.

But no one is calling them out ,so they get a platform fir this pish
Maybe dignified silence is the best way to deal with it and win in Court if that’s where it ends up
But at some point in this process some will need to say enough is enough and start to create the other narrative that isn’t currently being heard


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[malcolm]

Judicial review. So like the prorogation of parliament case from last year. As opposed to breach of contract or some kind of tortious claim

I understand that any JR would look at how a decision was made (but not whether the decision itself was right or wrong). It normally looks at whether the body (usually a public body) acted lawfully. Can’t see that as an issue here nor do I think there is any question of the Spfl abusing its rules/powers since it was a democratic decision according to its rules.

Not sure that gives them any more grounds for hope than pursuing a *delict or contractual breach

* or tort if you are not Scottish :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

At worst that vote would have to be held again. I would doubt the result would be any different given the need to get on with things. Not going to happen though.

The noises they have made don't really add up to taking the review route though.

I'd agree. They want cash.

[brog]

Stuart Wallace showing that - deep down - he is just a fud

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/06/15/foundation-of-hearts-back-legal-challenge-and-hit-out-at-rival-chairmen/

That is horrendous! "For many years, supporters & clubs have been calling for change". No they haven't & the only thing your owner called for, before relegation, was for a drastic reduction in the number of teams!! Also Scottish football's 'unique action' has been identical to that taken for 48 senior clubs in the country next door to us. Their hypocrisy & self delusion is beyond parody.

[Sammy7nil]

Listening to radio Clyde why are radio presenters so poor?

No mention of the huge drop in cash for bottom team in a league of 12 to £500,000 less under 14 teams.

No mention of permanent solution to sort a short-term problem for a few clubd.

Eventually mentioned how 14 teams is a crap league.

[hibeerealist]

Stuart Wallace showing that - deep down - he is just a fud

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/06/15/foundation-of-hearts-back-legal-challenge-and-hit-out-at-rival-chairmen/

Aren't they all (the Duncans)?

Gorgie is really just Fudsville

[Tug Wilson]

What was Findlay’s warning to the Spfl they were advertising in the build up to the show?

Jambos seem to be saying Findlay struggled and English put him in his place.

Knowing what Findlay is like I struggle to believe that narrative.

He basically said that if the board went against the vote and tried to force something else through that some clubs were already prepared to take that to court.

All English and Levein had was repeating "but it's soooo unfair"

[hibeerealist]

Tom English is clearly raging that he's been made to look like little more than a Budge sycophant:

https://twitter.com/TEnglishSport?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Ese rp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Trying to throw the fact that Brechin didn't get relegated into the mix now. It's desperate stuff.

English could not claim he was impartial in that podcast, quite the opposite but DF bashed him and Levein all over the place.

[007]

Stuart Wallace showing that - deep down - he is just a fud

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/06/15/foundation-of-hearts-back-legal-challenge-and-hit-out-at-rival-chairmen/

Talks about integrity yet was he not the guy that put out a statement sneering that some clubs might not survive the covid crisis but Hearts would.

[Billy Whizz]

English could not claim he was impartial in that podcast, quite the opposite but DF bashed him and Levein all over the place.

I’m saving it for bedtime listening

[huggie1875]

surely their best case scenario is the first vote to happen again but nobody is going to change their vote to suit them or am i missing something I mean surely the court cant make us let them play with the big boys

[GREEN WARLORD]

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[Since452]

I took the Mikey out Findlay earlier but he slapped Levein and English down a peg or two there. Fair play.

[Hibeesforever]

Listening to radio Clyde why are radio presenters so poor?

No mention of the huge drop in cash for bottom team in a league of 12 to £500,000 less under 14 teams.

No mention of permanent solution to sort a short-term problem for a few clubd.

Eventually mentioned how 14 teams is a crap league.

I got the end of the show,I thought Hugh Keevans and the other presenter were very fair and tried to explain on what grounds hearts had a case...my view was they couldn't find any and showed why this action is only going to bring financial harm upon Hearts...

[huggie1875]

officialy relegated almost exactly 7 years since they went into admin they have a thing for sevens that lot

[Speedway]

If the Yam insist on legal action which threatens the good of Scottish football, threaten to expel them from Scottish Football. Simple.

[Sammy7nil]

MORALITY everyone keeps quoting this however no club especially Hearts has made any decision based on morals it has and always will be business or footballing decisions morals don't come in to it.

If it was about morals Hearts would not have over spent for years and shafted creditors. They would not have continued to do the same Naismith and others on silly money they can't afford with millions from Benny Factor. The would not shaft players now whilst asking agents who is available?

Hearts would not crow they are financially secure for five years yet hope to sue smaller teams knowing full well it could bankrupt them whilst telling everyone they will be fine.

Hearts and more so their fans are arrogant and constantly wish the worst for other clubs while gloating about their cheating years.

This is not about morals.

[Caversham Green]

The tweet he is replying to says that Hearts are bringing a JR. Has anyone seen this confirmed anywhere?

If Hearts are JRing the April vote and if they are ultimately successful in the challenge, the remedy would be that the decision would be quashed.

But the thing is that the exact same decision could then be remade correcting the procedural impropriety (assuming that is Hearts ground of challenge). They would end up at exactly the same place as they are now. Yes, Hearts would get their costs, which never actually cover 100% of your costs, but they would gain nothing other than potential alienating a bunch of people while making Scottish football look less attractive to sponsors in the process.

I don't know if it would make a difference to the findings of the JR, but Doncaster hinted in a recent interview that the board would have used their executive powers to override that vote if Dundee's final vote was no. The reason he gave was that the matter was a crisis while Hearts not wanting to be relegated is not. There was also a large overall majority in favour of the resolution even though it would have failed due to the voting structure if Dundee had voted no. I do wonder if that was a factor in Dundee deciding to vote yes in the end.

This rather highlight Tom English's hypocrisy. He was greeting about the Sevco resolution failing despite 13 clubs being in favour but thinks a vote of 32 out of 42 clubs should not have been passed. He needs to take a step back IMO as he's starting to act like a petulant and not very bright schoolchild.

[Sammy7nil]

I got the end of the show,I thought Hugh Keevans and the other presenter were very fair and tried to explain on what grounds hearts had a case...my view was they couldn't find any and showed why this action is only going to bring financial harm upon Hearts...

Earlier Keevins said it was morally wrong and Budge should go to court. Throughout the show he said he preferred Hearts arithmetic to that of the SPFL.

[MrSmith]

If the Yam insist on legal action which threatens the good of Scottish football, threaten to expel them from Scottish Football. Simple.

that is an outcome available to the SFA who will be instructed by FIFA/EUFA for taking a member association to court out-with the Court of Sports Arbitration. Revocation of playing licence or expulsion are further outcomes.

Hearts should also be aware that if their interdict is successful and they are awarded X millions and football in Scotland is paused until a resolution is found, those who lose revenue from the loss of the Sky contract and those who will not be allowed to compete in European competition, will come at them for losses incurred and that could run into 10s of millions of £s in compensation from Hearts.

Budge and her established pals on keeksack, bring it on!

[Joe6-2]

Or more likely the SPFL will just ask Hearts to go ahead with their action knowing they don't have a case.

This!

[EI255]

Earlier Keevins said it was morally wrong and Budge should go to court. Throughout the show he said he preferred Hearts arithmetic to that of the SPFL.The media love a circus and that's EXACTLY what Messrs English and Keevans etc are doing. It is their job to be biased and whip up a stink.

[Fratelli]

Just finished listening to the podcast and it was absolutely brilliant, hearing both Levein and English getting verbally filleted by Donald Findlay.

He was measured and calm most of the time and only lost his patience due to the ignorance of the aforementioned clowns not following the rationale of his answers.

Also telling that Kenny Macinytre kept his ‘council’ and let them get ripped to pieces.

We heard what Doncaster did to Richard Gordon and this was even more one sided as DF didn’t have to stay politically correct with his answers, as evidenced by him calling Levein ‘petty and pathetic’.

Miss this podcast at your peril...

[Sammy7nil]

Just finished listening to the podcast and it was absolutely brilliant, hearing both Levein and English getting verbally filleted by Donald Findlay.

He was measured and calm most of the time and only lost his patience due to the ignorance of the aforementioned clowns not following the rationale of his answers.

Also telling that Kenny Macinytre kept his ‘council’ and let them get ripped to pieces.

We heard what Doncaster did to Richard Gordon and this was even more one sided as DF didn’t have to stay politically correct with his answers, as evidenced by him calling Levein ‘petty and pathetic’.

Miss this podcast at your peril...

Meanwhile on Kickback Donald took one hell of a kicking :greengrin

[jacomo]

“We can hold our heads up high as we have acted at all times with integrity, common sense and with the best interests of Scottish football at heart.“

:faf:

Aye whatever Jambos.

[MrSmith]

“We can hold our heads up high as we have acted at all times with integrity, common sense and with the best interests of Scottish football at heart.“

:faf:

Aye whatever Jambos.

this delusion of theirs is seriously disturbing.

[HFC 0-7]

https://www.facebook.com/jeanclaude.povey/videos/10157024691015811/

[jacomo]

Talks about integrity yet was he not the guy that put out a statement sneering that some clubs might not survive the covid crisis but Hearts would.


:agree:

Yep that’s him. Sounds like a nasty piece of work.

[Sammy7nil]

:verysmug:

Die you contemptible *****-munching vermin trash. Hope our legal action drives the final nail in your coffins.


Looks like you better “pony up”... 🐴⬆️

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This is not an unusual post on Kickback as they say never forget.

[Onion]

If the Yam insist on legal action which threatens the good of Scottish football, threaten to expel them from Scottish Football. Simple.

Exactly my thoughts. You either accept the rules as they are set by the membership, and the democratic vote is a key plank of that, or you cease to be a member.

Throw them out. Then they'll get their wish of being ejected :thumbsup:

[Peevemor]

Exactly my thoughts. You either accept the rules as they are set by the membership, and the democratic vote is a key plank of that, or you cease to be a member.

Throw them out. Then they'll get their wish of being ejected [emoji106]Our loss will be the EPL's gain.

[G B Young]

Yip when Donald Findlay is the voice of reason the other contributors have lost it. Craig was very bitter "if Cowdenbeath expect to get any loan players from Hearts they are wrong" Tom was desperately trying to put words in Donald's mouth asking him to speak on behalf of other clubs and the SPFL.

As this was recorded prior to the 26 - 16 demolition i assume Craig and Tom will stick with we are right and everyone else is wrong. :tee hee::tee hee::tee hee: give it up boys game over.

That's Levein to a T. Arrogant, narrow-minded bully. Such a pathetic, petty comment to make.

[FilipinoHibs]

Your last paragraph sums up my recent thoughts, which others have mentioned. They want money, without having to shell out for it. An out-of-court settlement would satisfy that, and the threat of Court action might be enough to push things that way.
I think the SPFL will stand firm knowing Hearts have not got a leg to stand on and call their bluff.Hearts will be the ones who blink first as they start to run up legal costs

[Real Emerald]

The brilliant thing now is there is zero hope of them playing in the Premiership next season so all they have go for is money from a court case. That money has to come from all the other clubs who will be utterly fuming at Hearts for their total disrespect for the good of Scottish football. The morality of it all!😊

I was really looking forward to the Euros but this court action may fill the gap, brilliant 👍👍👍

[Scorrie]

OK, thanks.

That seems a bit different to taking somebody to court to sue them for millions of (alleged) lost earnings.

A Judicial Review examines how a decision was made, not what the decision itself was.

[Wakeyhibee]

If the Yam insist on legal action which threatens the good of Scottish football, threaten to expel them from Scottish Football. Simple.

Dont think it will come to that. CAS maybe? Who knows with Budge but DF spelt out that any legal action will most likely bring counter ones.

[Smiggy 7-0]

Hearts reiterated their belief no club should be disadvantaged unnecessarily amid the Covid-19 pandemic and say the failure to avoid doing so is "an unfortunate condemnation of Scottish football".

Yeah, but it's okay for Hibs to be demoted to 7th place from 6th and lose thousands of pounds.

Budge, remember you accepted this as being OK.

[truehibernian]

“We can hold our heads up high as we have acted at all times with integrity, common sense and with the best interests of Scottish football at heart.“

:faf:

Aye whatever Jambos.

And the benefactor 'bribe' failed spectacularly :aok: no strings :faf: never play poker Ann, you blinked first :wink:

So now, according to their statement, they're willing to do their utmost to prevent Scottish football moving forward - self interest personified :agree:

[Aldo]

For many years, clubs and supporters have called for change, innovation, and new ways forward in the league structure and the running of our sport, but when it came to the bit, those with power, those alleged leaders in our community, came up very far short.

Not sure if this had been mentioned but the paragraph above is just complete BS. Not once since she took over that mob or had a place on the SPFL board has Budge and co every mention change in the league structure but in fact the total opposite.

Contradiction, lies, self interest and much more with very short memories what they have previously written.

I trust the SPFL Board and Doncaster on this.

O and I listened to the clip of Potter and DF and boy was he petty. Telling him that Cowdenbeath won’t be getting any hearts players.

This from a man that won **** all in his carrier apart from bottler of the season on 1986.


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[bawheid]

With legal minds such as these, how can they possibly lose?

Sir Gio Sir Gio
Posted just now
If Scottish law is similar to either French or Belgian we win.

Surely as straightforward as that.

They then have the choice reinstatement or recompense.

Its quite straightforward now in this regard

[truehibernian]

With legal minds such as these, how can they possibly lose?

Sir Gio Sir Gio
Posted just now
If Scottish law is similar to either French or Belgian we win.

Surely as straightforward as that.

They then have the choice reinstatement or recompense.

Its quite straightforward now in this regard

Someone needs to remind him it's Scottish football, not Brewster's Millions 2 :greengrin

[matty_f]

For many years, clubs and supporters have called for change, innovation, and new ways forward in the league structure and the running of our sport, but when it came to the bit, those with power, those alleged leaders in our community, came up very far short.

Not sure if this had been mentioned but the paragraph above is just complete BS. Not once since she took over that mob or had a place on the SPFL board has Budge and co every mention change in the league structure but in fact the total opposite.

Contradiction, lies, self interest and much more with very short memories what they have previously written.

I trust the SPFL Board and Doncaster on this.

O and I listened to the clip of Potter and DF and boy was he petty. Telling him that Cowdenbeath won’t be getting any hearts players.

This from a man that won **** all in his carrier apart from bottler of the season on 1986.


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Exactly. They're gaslighting - making up a back story that never happened and trying to re-write history. They're full of it.

[Waxy]

Hearts reiterated their belief no club should be disadvantaged unnecessarily amid the Covid-19 pandemic and say the failure to avoid doing so is "an unfortunate condemnation of Scottish football".

Yeah, but it's okay for Hibs to be demoted to 7th place from 6th and lose thousands of pounds.

Budge, remember you accepted this as being OK.Other clubs may feel that Covid actually doesnt have anything to do with football apart from halting it in its tracks.They also may feel that clubs shouldnt use covid as an excuse to avoid a certain relegation and putting the cost of that onto other clubs.
What hearts believe and what other clubs believe is just the clubs opinion.Doesnt make anyone right or wrong.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

With legal minds such as these, how can they possibly lose?

Sir Gio Sir Gio
Posted just now
If Scottish law is similar to either French or Belgian we win.

Surely as straightforward as that.

They then have the choice reinstatement or recompense.

Its quite straightforward now in this regard

Yes, I saw that one.
Just one of an absolute bonanza of such side-splitters on there tonight.

[Greencore]

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[Waxy]

Aye but remember they invested millions upon millions to get in that position!


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis has been better than comedy gold.It almost levels up for all their cheating and overspending and arrogance.
They so deserve this.

[Hibeesforever]

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If that picture is real, then it is an indelible stain on the Jambos history...those two protagonists have run the jam tarts into the ground!

[Real Emerald]

Aye but remember they invested millions upon millions to get in that position!


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There was also 24 points still to play for 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣

[Aldo]

This has been better than comedy gold.It almost levels up for all their cheating and overspending and arrogance.
They so deserve this.

It might do once they fail in their impending court proceedings.

They do indeed and as I’ve said before I am so looking forward to this documentary. Bet it’s edited showing them in the good light etc


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[Aldo]

There was also 24 points still to play for [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji23][emoji23][emoji1787][emoji1787]

Theme the breaks eh! Democracy and all that!


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[Waxy]

Wonder if the SPFL can chuck hearts out the league if they try legal action?

[Scorrie]

Just listened to the podcast. Tom English is a disgrace. What on earth is his agenda? Not even an attempt to be impartial

[Aldo]

Wonder if the SPFL can chuck hearts out the league if they try legal action?

Not sure they can but the SFA can. (Following direction from FIFA/UEFA) .


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[Waxy]

Just listened to the podcast. Tom English is a disgrace. What on earth is his agenda? Not even an attempt to be impartialHe's a shocker.Doesn't attempt to see any side except hearts.Shouldnt be on the BBC imo.

[Kato]

Just listened to the podcast. Tom English is a disgrace. What on earth is his agenda? Not even an attempt to be impartialHis agenda is anything that creates drama for his stupid programme.

The days of actual football journalism ended sometime during the 1990's.

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[Kato]

Not sure they can but the SFA can. (Following direction from FIFA/UEFA) .


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOh dear that'd be sad, I hope they dont go ahead with their law suit and see themselves without a league to play in, I really, really do.

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[Waxy]

Not sure they can but the SFA can. (Following direction from FIFA/UEFA) .


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBringing the game into disrepute.They say no club should suffer due to covid but they want everyone to suffer? Strings strings and more strings in everything they say and do.Dont go down gorgie you'll trip over a string.

[A Hi-Bee]

Just listened to the podcast. Tom English is a disgrace. What on earth is his agenda? Not even an attempt to be impartial

Tam english is a phanney, the Turd has been flushed he needs to move on to the next big story........Hertz my day in court will not even get of the ground.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[NYHibby]

I think my post several pages ago spurred this JR discussion. Does anyone know if that is actually what Hearts are pursuing or is this just twitter speculation that I saw.


I don't know if it would make a difference to the findings of the JR, but Doncaster hinted in a recent interview that the board would have used their executive powers to override that vote if Dundee's final vote was no. The reason he gave was that the matter was a crisis while Hearts not wanting to be relegated is not. There was also a large overall majority in favour of the resolution even though it would have failed due to the voting structure if Dundee had voted no. I do wonder if that was a factor in Dundee deciding to vote yes in the end.

This rather highlight Tom English's hypocrisy. He was greeting about the Sevco resolution failing despite 13 clubs being in favour but thinks a vote of 32 out of 42 clubs should not have been passed. He needs to take a step back IMO as he's starting to act like a petulant and not very bright schoolchild.

I’m not sure if you are thinking of anything in particular with that interview. But it would only be potentially relevant if the decision makers were aware that the board would do that before the decision under challenge was made. Hypotheticals Doncaster throws out after the decision was made generally don’t affect the lawfulness of the decision.

I have not read the SPFL’s articles and rules in several weeks, but procedural impropriety is a possible JR ground. Complying with your own rules for making decisions would be part of that.

In the JRs I defend, there is one decision maker. So I am not familiar with how the courts handle rationality arguments where the decision is effectively made by 42 independent decision makers. But I imagine it is easier to argue that the decision of a board of an organisation is so unreasonable that no reasonable decision maker could have decided it that way than it would be for to argue that for a decision made by all the members of the organisation who arguably each have their own decision making processes.

[Big_Franck]

Our loss will be the EPL's gain.

Brilliant :greengrin

[A Hi-Bee]

There was also 24 points still to play for 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣

If you dont grab a chair when the music stops tough ****in luck, they are bottom and the team at the bottom gets relegated when the season stops.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Wonder if the SPFL can chuck hearts out the league if they try legal action?

Was wondering that

At the end of the day, it’s a members organisation, if one member is making a real nuisance of themselves and trying to harm the organisation and the interest of the members (certainly financial)... could they be voted out

This chat of legal routes is embarrassing

They were given more than enough opportunities to present reconstruction plans

Maybe if they’re goals weren’t self-centred they might have been successful

[Aldo]

Oh dear that'd be sad, I hope they dont go ahead with their law suit and see themselves without a league to play in, I really, really do.

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Bringing the game into disrepute.They say no club should suffer due to covid but they want everyone to suffer? Strings strings and more strings in everything they say and do.Dont go down gorgie you'll trip over a string.

Would you believe it’s rule 5.1c


Under the SFA articles of association rule 5.1c, clubs have agreed “all members shall recognise and submit to the jurisdiction of the Court of Arbitration for Sport as specified in the relevant provisions of the Fifa and the Uefa statutes”.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

just listened to that podcast well done donald findlay, i'd now like every single club that voted no refuse to be interviewed by that utter fud tom english, there's absolutely no point in them explaining the reason how they voted no as all english says is but but the fairness, what about the fairness, i bet that ross co guy probably wants to punch the @#@# s nose, freakin disgraceful he's allowed to decry the guy on the BBC, yet they gave michael stewart a warning a few months back

[jacomo]

He's a shocker.Doesn't attempt to see any side except hearts.Shouldnt be on the BBC imo.


:agree:

Tom English has lost his head over this issue. Can a BBC boss not sit him down and remind him that being their chief scottish sports writer does not mean acting like some Talk Sport pundit desperate to cause a fuss?

[Waxy]

Would you believe it’s rule 5.1c


Under the SFA articles of association rule 5.1c, clubs have agreed “all members shall recognise and submit to the jurisdiction of the Court of Arbitration for Sport as specified in the relevant provisions of the Fifa and the Uefa statutes”.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSo they could be in trouble then.They'll have been wanting their own establishment justice set up.

[NYHibby]

With legal minds such as these, how can they possibly lose?

Sir Gio Sir Gio
Posted just now
If Scottish law is similar to either French or Belgian we win.

Surely as straightforward as that.

They then have the choice reinstatement or recompense.

Its quite straightforward now in this regard

It’s telling that that post is the only reply to a jambo asking “what are we actually taking the SPFL to court over?”

Its also factually wrong at least on the French case. The French case staying the relegation turned on the specific facts of the agreement between the French football association and the league. That does not help Hearts.

According to this summary (https://www.linklaters.com/en/insights/blogs/sportinglinks/2020/june/the-french-supreme-administrative-court-suspends-the-relegation-of-amiens-and-toulouse-to-ligue-2), the French court rejected the competition law arguments. If anything, given how much of UK competition law is EU law, the French decision is actually bad news for them if Hearts were hoping to make competition arguments.

[Aldo]

So they could be in trouble then.They'll have been wanting their own establishment justice set up.

I’m sure FIFA/UEFA stepped in last time when Newco were at it in 2012. Sure it ended with the SFA punishing them with a Transfer embargo!

Budge has opened the door for all this.


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[Craig_in_Prague]

:agree:

Tom English has lost his head over this issue. Can a BBC boss not sit him down and remind him that being their chief scottish sports writer does not mean acting like some Talk Sport pundit desperate to cause a fuss?

Just listened to the podcast. Incredible, almost as low as Levein. So so poor.
Inability to hold a proper conversation. One sided views and pettiness galore.

They could learn how to behave and have conversation from Findlay. He was brilliant and kept calm and stuck to facts and specifics. Enjoyed his part.

[Clarence]

Just listened to the podcast. Tom English is a disgrace. What on earth is his agenda? Not even an attempt to be impartial

My theory is that English has realised that Hearts are a Soap Opera club that will continue to give back page headlines regardless of their sporting performance. As a journalist aligning himself with them will provide him with the ability to be part of their circus and score easy listener/readership.

In an era when Celtic win every competition relatively easily, there’s not much to write about in terms of sporting competition to keep readers interested so I suppose being at the centre of Hearts’ latest and frequent calamity is a pretty smart strategy.

[Tobias Funke]

Tom English is an insufferable ****wit and should not be anywhere near the sort of position he holds at the BBC. He’s been found out big time during this shambles, time for him to move on.

[Waxy]

I’m sure FIFA/UEFA stepped in last time when Newco were at it in 2012. Sure it ended with the SFA punishing them with a Transfer embargo!

Budge has opened the door for all this.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWell hearts have had help before.Remember they got to appoint the administrator of their choice when admin arrived? KPMG were about to be appointed but they somehow stopped that.

[Aldo]

Well hearts have had help before.Remember they got to appoint the administrator of their choice when admin arrived? KPMG were about to be appointed but they somehow stopped that.

Not sure they would be so lucky if it were the case!


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[Jdawg]

On sportsound I didn’t hear Levein apologising to hearts fans as it’s 95% his fault. English and Levein should know better than to try and argue with one of the best QC’s in Scotland. He reeled them in and then destroyed them. Telling Levein to behave himself re the hearts won’t loan players to Cowdenbeath after this. Maybe hearts should have loaned some from Cowdenbeath 😂

[Kojock]

I’m sure FIFA/UEFA stepped in last time when Newco were at it in 2012. Sure it ended with the SFA punishing them with a Transfer embargo!

Budge has opened the door for all this.


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As a punishment they should ban Hear7s from playing until October

[Aldo]

As a punishment they should ban Hear7s from playing until October

[emoji23] but what year


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[mal]

Tom English is an insufferable ****wit and should not be anywhere near the sort of position he holds at the BBC. He’s been found out big time during this shambles, time for him to move on.

That Hearts apparently sought to divert a charitable donation - to be used for COVID-19 relief - for their own purposes ought to be a massive story for any journalist ... and it's right there in their "proposal" document. It's the biggest scandal in Scottish football in some time yet it's like it was written in invisible ink...

[percy veer]

does someone have a link to the pod cast

[Aldo]

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[Waxy]

does someone have a link to the pod cast

http://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Scottish-Football-p1043326/

[Onion]

:agree:

Tom English has lost his head over this issue. Can a BBC boss not sit him down and remind him that being their chief scottish sports writer does not mean acting like some Talk Sport pundit desperate to cause a fuss?

:agree: There are a few that seriously need some help and good advice. Budge and English seem to be having a breakdown. They've lost all perspective and just rolling from one crazy notion to the next. If they were in charge of a company, the shareholders would have replaced them by now. Both driven by blind emotion rather than objective thinking.

This is not going to end well for Budge or Hearts. Media trumpets like English will just move onto the next topic.

[EI255]

Just listened to the podcast. Tom English is a disgrace. What on earth is his agenda? Not even an attempt to be impartialI don't get the guy. An "educated" (ha) Irish rugby enthusiast and columnist who has a clear agenda against the SPFL (and, it would appear, Donald Findlay and Cowdenbeath FC). Where did this person come from? More importantly, why?

I found the podcast made Potter look plain stupid....a silly big Hearts fan chewin a wasp. He'll regret those words to the QC.

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[huggie1875]

just finished the podcast i hate myself but loved DF it shows how deluded the yams are saying that TE and CL tore him apart lol

[SteveHFC]

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Stolen :greengrin

[Caversham Green]

I think my post several pages ago spurred this JR discussion. Does anyone know if that is actually what Hearts are pursuing or is this just twitter speculation that I saw.



I’m not sure if you are thinking of anything in particular with that interview. But it would only be potentially relevant if the decision makers were aware that the board would do that before the decision under challenge was made. Hypotheticals Doncaster throws out after the decision was made generally don’t affect the lawfulness of the decision.

I have not read the SPFL’s articles and rules in several weeks, but procedural impropriety is a possible JR ground. Complying with your own rules for making decisions would be part of that.

In the JRs I defend, there is one decision maker. So I am not familiar with how the courts handle rationality arguments where the decision is effectively made by 42 independent decision makers. But I imagine it is easier to argue that the decision of a board of an organisation is so unreasonable that no reasonable decision maker could have decided it that way than it would be for to argue that for a decision made by all the members of the organisation who arguably each have their own decision making processes.


I was just speculating whether ND might have had a conversation with the Dundee guy after the failed no vote, along the lines of 'if you vote no we're likely to use our executive powers to force the issue, so the resolution will go through anyway. Voting yes would just make life easier for everyone.'

As the board had decided calling the season was necessary in any case it was ND's job to push for a yes vote so I don't think there was any impropriety if he did that. It's what I would have done in his position.

[we are hibs]

Leslie Deans on bbc scotland 😂😂

[Aldo]

Stolen :greengrin

Was sent it actually by 2 separate folk about 5 minutes apart!

If you mean it’s not original then yes!

Cheeky twat Mr M! [emoji102][emoji23]


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[H18 SFR]

Leslie Deans on bbc scotland 😂😂

What did the welt say?

[proud_and_green]

I am interested in ABs comment about her belief that no club should be "... disproportionately disadvantaged...". What does that mean. What would proportionately disadvantaged mean. What does proportionately advantaged etc mean for that matter.

Presumably, relegation when they were bottom of the league when it ended was a disproportionate disadvantage. Or was the calling of the league the bit that caused the disproportionate disadvantage.

Would it be a proportionate disadvantage to be relegated after the whole season had been played?

Surely, a disproportionate disadvantage would be for them to be relegated to League 1 instead of the championship.

Her language is poor and it strikes me that she doesn't know what her argument is apart from its just no fair and something needs tae be done.

She has stirred up the supporters in to thinking they're be picked on and that has now come back and bit her on the bum and effectively forced her down a path which I really don't think she believes is the right one.

Politicians do this nowadays all the time, and never understand that once you poke the wasps nest it's impossible to get them back in it.

People ought to understand time spent thinking is seldom wasted.

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[JeMeSouviens]

What did the welt say?

Moan, moan, mump.

No answer to what the basis of their case is.

[EI255]

Leslie Deans on bbc scotland [emoji23][emoji23]Leslie Deans solicitors.... one of THE worst conveyancing outfits in the Capital. Just what can he do? Not a lot. Jog on old man.

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[Waxy]

I am interested in ABs comment about her belief that no club should be "... disproportionately disadvantaged...". What does that mean. What would proportionately disadvantaged mean. What does proportionately advantaged etc mean for that matter.

Presumably, relegation when they were bottom of the league when it ended was a disproportionate disadvantage. Or was the calling of the league the bit that caused the disproportionate disadvantage.

Would it be a proportionate disadvantage to be relegated after the whole season had been played?

Surely, a disproportionate disadvantage would be for them to be relegated to League 1 instead of the championship.

Her language is poor and it strikes me that she doesn't know what her argument is apart from its just no fair and something needs tae be done.

She has stirred up the supporters in to thinking they're be picked on and that has now come back and bit her on the bum and effectively forced her down a path which I really don't think she believes is the right one.

Politicians do this nowadays all the time, and never understand that once you poke the wasps nest it's impossible to get them back in it.

People ought to understand time spent thinking is seldom wasted.

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She's just using words as best she can to use the covid situation as a way to let hearts escape relegation.
She has seen an opertunity of a get out of jail free card.Their behaviour has been awful.

[Radium]

Is Tom English involved in the documentary?

Other than that he is simply making news when there is nothing else going on (football wise).

As an agent provocateur he has given AB the media platform that exposed her simple self interest. She blew the reconstruction group apart by announcing that it was only a temporary change. She then flushed out the benefactor by announcing on national radio that they would donate a ‘no strings attached’ seven figure sum to the SPFL.

They are now parading ‘not my fault’ Levein who is just exuding bitterness.

The telling bit of radio in recent months was the 2 seconds of radio silence when the Hamilton director (can’t remember his name) said that there would not have been anything like the uproar if Hamilton were relegated. Richard Gordon noted that the silence said everything.

Now for the next stage as the Hearts minded people try to make as much noise as they can.


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[Power]

Excellent. Let’s move forward with resuming football and getting Hibs back.

Thanks for all the interaction and feedback on this one.

[Springbank]

I'm trying to keep up with all the relegations hearts have endured these past 10 weeks. People who have relegated hearts this year already include:

Jon Obika
Dundee chairman
Hibs
Neil Doncaster
26 teams
Craig Levein & Daniel Stendal

[Bostonhibby]

Leslie Deans solicitors.... one of THE worst conveyancing outfits in the Capital. Just what can he do? Not a lot. Jog on old man.

Sent from my LG-H840 using TapatalkI don't know why, but Saul Goodman just sprung to mind.

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[007]

For many years, clubs and supporters have called for change, innovation, and new ways forward in the league structure and the running of our sport, but when it came to the bit, those with power, those alleged leaders in our community, came up very far short.

Not sure if this had been mentioned but the paragraph above is just complete BS. Not once since she took over that mob or had a place on the SPFL board has Budge and co every mention change in the league structure but in fact the total opposite.

Contradiction, lies, self interest and much more with very short memories what they have previously written.

I trust the SPFL Board and Doncaster on this.

O and I listened to the clip of Potter and DF and boy was he petty. Telling him that Cowdenbeath won’t be getting any hearts players.

This from a man that won **** all in his carrier apart from bottler of the season on 1986.

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Exactly, she said herself about 2 months ago she only wanted temporary reconstruction.

She lacks self-awareness and repeatedly comes out with contradictory statements that others see through and then she can't understand why people voted against her. The last 2-3 months have been littered with contradictory comments which have played a part in the result of today's vote.

[Baader]

That bit on Sportsound when Findlay says noone from Hearts had phoned him then English interjects "did you pick up the phone to Hearts?" Sums him up. He just doesn't get it at all.

Don't think he even understood there's no automatic relegation in League 2.

Not good enough.

[Scott Allan Key]

Just listened to the podcast. Tom English is a disgrace. What on earth is his agenda? Not even an attempt to be impartialHe's got a boner for Budge. Stranger things have happened. I can't be the only Hibee that secretly fancies Leeann.

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[007]

With legal minds such as these, how can they possibly lose?

Sir Gio Sir Gio
Posted just now
If Scottish law is similar to either French or Belgian we win.

Surely as straightforward as that.

They then have the choice reinstatement or recompense.

Its quite straightforward now in this regard

Court case should be over in 5 minutes. No solicitor required Budge can just print off that guy's post and hand it over to the judge. Case closed.

They really are a simple lot.

[Mon Dieu4]

To all the Yams creaming themselves over Hibs statement today, if a team with no debt and who are on a sound financial footing are having to cut costs at the moment what in the hell do you think a team who have just lost £3m, are about to spend money on a legal challenge and who won't have a game for the next 4 months are going to have to do to cut their costs, unless you go down the route of ripping off charities again :confused:

[007]

That bit on Sportsound when Findlay says noone from Hearts had phoned him then English interjects "did you pick up the phone to Hearts?" Sums him up. He just doesn't get it at all.

Don't think he even understood there's no automatic relegation in League 2.

Not good enough.

Years of having discussions/debates with the likes of Alan 'Biscuits' Preston and Stephen 'Thommo' Thomson and coming out on top have gone to his head and he now thinks he's highly intelligent and great at debating. His usual tactic of butting in and talking over someone who doesn't agree with him didn't work against DF who is used to defeating people a lot more skilled at debating than Tom English. English couldn't handle it and it was embarrassing how he then conducted himself for the rest of the interview.