NO to reconstruction

[brog]

We will all go into administration when Hearts rinse the SPFL through the courts. Some experts on KB are predicting at least £20M 😂

That explains why Budgie's proposal is a heap of incoherent drivel! It's a masterplan to earn £20m!! :greengrin

[DarlingtonHibee]

Jim White praising hearts 😡😡

[bingo70]

Jim White praising hearts 😡😡

Jim White talking pish to generate a reaction.

Surely not.

[Hibs1969]

Rock the Casbah.

Championship Calling.

[The 90+2]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hearts-offer-pay-scottish-football-18316268

Hearts, the saviours, doing it for the benefit of the whole of Scotland.

Do me a ****ing favour.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Hibs can vote for it IF they add a clause saying next time we’re in relegation/demotion trouble there will be guaranteed league reconstruction.

[Not In The Know]

Yup - I’ve seen better proposals written by bowling club committees.

Shambles FC can’t seem to get much right - which makes it hilarious for us and other clubs as they squirm around to be relevant.

Where can I see the actual document?

[calumhibee1]

We will all go into administration when Hearts rinse the SPFL through the courts. Some experts on KB are predicting at least £20M 😂

Sounds like we should have all been fighting to be relegated with the money on offer. Hearts have outfoxed us all by finishing bottom.

[GlesgaeHibby]

What part of trying to boast about finances at Hearts was a good idea to put into a proposal ?!?

“Everyone knows that the financial support we receive from our fans is exceptional. For over 7 years fans have contributed almost £1.5m per annum to support the Club. Since football was cancelled our supporters’ organisation, Foundation of Hearts, has amazingly had over 800 additional/increased pledges. Our benefactors too, continue to stand behind the Club. They have committed to continue to support us, not just throughout this current crisis, but for the next 5 years. “

Then this..

“We also have access to highly flexible training facilities” - Oriam and Heriot Watt are shut so you currently don’t. Hibs can open up East Mains when they want.

The best line is still this..

“In short, the Premiership needs Hearts more than the Championship does.”

All that money spent and they've got a half built and over budget stand, £1m pitch ruined, and a team full of high earning duds. Yet somehow, they are all back in love with Queen Ann now they've seen her proposal. Such a weird bunch of fans.

[easty]

Hearts fans when they believe Dundee were coerced into voting one way - it's a disgrace and makes a mockery of Scottish football

Hearts fans when Budge offers all lower league teams coronavirus testing, paid for by the mystery benefactors, but only if they vote in Hearts favour - brilliant and fair idea. it's for the good of the Scottish game.

:confused:

[JeMeSouviens]

The latest from Kickback is that the Champ clubs are conspiring against reconstruction to keep Hearts in the Championship thus securing access to "the Maroon pound" and ensuring that these clubs will survive.

:faf:

Also, the Prem clubs might form a breakaway to ditch the lower leagues so they can keep Hearts.

:faf:

Wait! There's more, here comes the piece de la resistance:


This is the big problem in Scottish Football and I can only see one way it will change. This plan fails and we accept our place in the Championship (whatever that is!) and take the hit. We then start legal action that will kill a lot, if not all, those clubs off. The rest have to come back to us to create a league structure from whatever is left. In short dead clubs can't vote

:faf::faf::faf:

:lolyam:

[Heisenberg]

Hearts fans when they believe Dundee were coerced into voting one way - it's a disgrace and makes a mockery of Scottish football

Hearts fans when Budge offers all lower league teams coronavirus testing, paid for by the mystery benefactors, but only if they vote in Hearts favour - brilliant and fair idea. it's for the good of the Scottish game.

:confused:

Exactly my thoughts. She’s at it.

[Since452]

Am I missing something? I thought Budge was already told to bolt regarding reconstruction and it wasn't an option?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Am I missing something? I thought Budge was already told to bolt regarding reconstruction and it wasn't an option?

It wasn’t an official vote or considered for long enough so I think they’re rejecting it properly now to ensure the court case is a waste of time.

[007]

calumhibee1 mentioned the post on pie and bovril last night but it is the biggest issue with this reconstruction proposal. In order to save Hearts in 2020, Budge is proposing a temporary model which would see up to 50% of Scottish Clubs relegated in 2 years.

If 2 clubs are promoted to the Premiership at the end of 21/22, 4 clubs will need to be relegated to go back to a 12 team league.

If 2 clubs were promoted to the Championship, 8 teams would need to be relegated to go back to a 10 team league.

That leaves League one with 20 teams which would be split in 2 to recreate League 2, effectively relegating 10 teams.

Add in possible relegation out of the SPFL to highland or lowland league and you have a possible 21 teams suffering relegation.

Ann Budge has proposed a mid-season vote to go back to the status quo but there is no chance that vote will ever pass with so much threat of relegation. So if 14-14-14 comes in it will be permanent.

I read it as the vote in a year is whether or not to make the structure she's proposing permanent rather than whether or not it should be changed back. This is an important distinction because whichever way the vote in a year is, it will need a 13-1 majority so will fail.

She's saying temporary now because that is what got Aberdeen to switch from a no to a yes vote. However, as you rightly point out, temporary will be a nightmare for a load of clubs. She's saying temporary but with a 'chance' to make permanent (i.e. the Michael Stewart suggestion, expect him to state this numerous times on Sportsound). It's a carrot being dangled but there's no chance of it becoming permanent
as both Hearts and Aberdeen at the very least will vote against it being made permanent, plus probably several others.

[Caversham Green]

I would hope enough clubs come out today and say this is a non starter and allow us all to move on.
It’s a ridiculously bad proposal which is presented terribly.
There is no give from Hearts? What do they sacrifice for the clubs to want to do this for them? Absolutely nothing.


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It seems like the opposite to me if I'm reading her distribution proposals correctly. If teams 13 and 14 get an increased share that means the rest of the Premiership's share is reduced. She's effectively wanting the Premiership clubs to pay money so that HoMFC and ICT can have the privilege of playing there and increasing their earning potential. they'd indirectly be paying those two clubs to allow them into the top league.

[Peevemor]

It wasn’t an official vote or considered for long enough so I think they’re rejecting it properly now to ensure the court case is a waste of time.

It's not the same thing. The SPFL put Budge in joint charge of a committee to explore the possibility of league reconstruction. Any proposals prepared by this group would probably have been presented to all members by the SPFL board. Instead it was decided that there wasn't the appetite for reconstruction at present so the committe/group was disbanded.

What Budge has come back with here is an independent "member's motion", in the name of Hearts, for which she required the backing of 2 other clubs.

[007]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hearts-offer-pay-scottish-football-18316268

Hearts, the saviours, doing it for the benefit of the whole of Scotland.

Do me a ****ing favour.

It starts by saying Hearts will fund the testing but then goes on to say they'll contribute to the cost. All clubs will contribute to the cost so which is it Hearts are saying they'll do? Contribute like the rest or fund it (which in my book means pay for it all)?

Does the offer only stand if they get given Premiership status? (the article says it seems to hinge on it). If so, then that sounds to me like bribery.

[GreenCastle]

Where can I see the actual document?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5636897/hearts-spfl-reconstruction-proposal-in-full/

Don’t like linking to this paper - maybe someone else can copy and paste article ?

[Mon Dieu4]

Anyone know what time the meeting is at? Sure it was 11 last time out

[The 90+2]

It starts by saying Hearts will fund the testing but then goes on to say they'll contribute to the cost. All clubs will contribute to the cost so which is it Hearts are saying they'll do? Contribute like the rest or fund it (which in my book means pay for it all)?

Does the offer only stand if they get given Premiership status? (the article says it seems to hinge on it). If so, then that sounds to me like bribery.

Exactly, paying for votes more like.

[jacomo]

Tom English has gone very quiet.

Has he realised the folly of supporting Budge’s incoherent and ill-thought out proposals?

[FilipinoHibs]

The whole thing is completely unworkable and has more holes than the Bon Accord defense. The board should take a sounding of clubs and go back to Budge and say there is not sufficient support. The proposal is so incompetent that it just looks like part of Budge's plan to deflect attention from her part in Hearts' demise.

[007]

Tom English has gone very quiet.

Has he realised the folly of supporting Budge’s incoherent and ill-thought out proposals?

Busy in discussion with his Sportsound colleagues planning how best to 'big up' the proposal. Expect the podcast to be out late because they'll need to do a lot of pre-planning.

[jacomo]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hearts-offer-pay-scottish-football-18316268

Hearts, the saviours, doing it for the benefit of the whole of Scotland.

Do me a ****ing favour.


Disgusting - both the implied threat to withdraw support unless they are allowed back into the top flight - and the mendacious nature of their statements.

They brag about their financial backing and offer to make Tynecastle available... but check the small print. They offer to do this on a ‘non-profit’ basis.

This doesn’t actually make any sense in this context, but what she probably means is that they would not make a profit from hiring Tynecastle out. Of course, it’s very easy to manipulate the figures and make it look like you are only covering costs.

[Peevemor]

I only submit proposals to check if they are crap.

[04Sauzee]

David Tanner tweets the following

Just spoken to an #SPFL Championship chairman - and it’s a big 👎🏻 for Ann Budge’s latest #SPFL reconstruction proposal.
6 teams relegated from the second tier after two years - what could possibly go wrong?!
More on @talkSPORT now!

[007]

Disgusting - both the implied threat to withdraw support unless they are allowed back into the top flight - and the mendacious nature of their statements.

They brag about their financial backing and offer to make Tynecastle available... but check the small print. They offer to do this on a ‘non-profit’ basis.

This doesn’t actually make any sense in this context, but what she probably means is that they would not make a profit from hiring Tynecastle out. Of course, it’s very easy to manipulate the figures and make it look like you are only covering costs.

The more stuff like this they come out with, the more certain I am the threat of a court case is a bluff. If they actually thought they had a decent case they wouldn't need to be making veiled threats all over the place. They know they don't stand a chance in court and will be desperately hoping for some compensation, which will be a few hundred thousand at best.

[The 90+2]

Disgusting - both the implied threat to withdraw support unless they are allowed back into the top flight - and the mendacious nature of their statements.

They brag about their financial backing and offer to make Tynecastle available... but check the small print. They offer to do this on a ‘non-profit’ basis.

This doesn’t actually make any sense in this context, but what she probably means is that they would not make a profit from hiring Tynecastle out. Of course, it’s very easy to manipulate the figures and make it look like you are only covering costs.

Spot on. The whole thing is actually shocking but broken down as you have bit for bit it’s even worse. Then there’s the don’t vote it through and legal action is being taken for being relegated. Get it in the bin.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

David Tanner tweets the following

Just spoken to an #SPFL Championship chairman - and it’s a big 👎🏻 for Ann Budge’s latest #SPFL reconstruction proposal.
6 teams relegated from the second tier after two years - what could possibly go wrong?!
More on @talkSPORT now!

Shocker

Hearts aren't here to save all of Scottish Football - just themselves

How did all the other clubs see through this cunning plan?!?!

[Not In The Know]

Relegate 20 to save 1. Lol.

[calumhibee1]

Relegate 20 to save 1. Lol.

“The Premiership needs Hearts” don’t you know.

[kdhibees1]

The big jobbie has taken some flushing but it’s almost away

[SouthMoroccoStu]

“The Premiership needs Hearts” don’t you know.

I've heard that

Read it somewhere - can't think where though

[Waxy]

The big jobbie has taken some flushing but it’s almost away

It stuck in the u bend. We need a plumber.

[calumhibee1]

Kickback is a hoot. Not one of them can tell you what their legal action will be based on but they’re adamant they’re going to win.

And they also have these weird figures of compo that grow by the day. Today’s figure is £20m.

[Onion]

Disgusting - both the implied threat to withdraw support unless they are allowed back into the top flight - and the mendacious nature of their statements.

They brag about their financial backing and offer to make Tynecastle available... but check the small print. They offer to do this on a ‘non-profit’ basis.

This doesn’t actually make any sense in this context, but what she probably means is that they would not make a profit from hiring Tynecastle out. Of course, it’s very easy to manipulate the figures and make it look like you are only covering costs.

Agreed. Is there no limit to this woman's desperation? One minute they're pleading poverty, next they're offering to share their abundance of resources with us all. We are truly blessed to have such a benevolent club among us.

But fail to acknowledge their greatness and all the good things they do for us all, and it's off to the courts. You could not make this stuff up. More twists and turns than a Dom Cummings test drive.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Kickback is a hoot. Not one of them can tell you what their legal action will be based on but they’re adamant they’re going to win.

And they also have these weird figures of compo that grow by the day. Today’s figure is £20m.

And seem convinced so many clubs are gonna go bust.

Straw, clutching.

[Irish_Steve]

Kickback is a hoot. Not one of them can tell you what their legal action will be based on but they’re adamant they’re going to win.

And they also have these weird figures of compo that grow by the day. Today’s figure is £20m.

They all seem delirious that Hamilton may be in financial difficulty according to Twitter

[Gloucester Hibs]

David Tanner tweets the following

Just spoken to an #SPFL Championship chairman - and it’s a big 👎🏻 for Ann Budge’s latest #SPFL reconstruction proposal.
6 teams relegated from the second tier after two years - what could possibly go wrong?!
More on @talkSPORT now!

Listened to Tanner on TalkSPORT, he ended with “Ann Budge now has to go back to the drawing board”.

Eh, naw! YoI’ve had two bites at the cherry, time to suck it up and prepare for life in the championship. The most graceless, undignified relegation ever rumbles on...

[Lunatic]

The more stuff like this they come out with, the more certain I am the threat of a court case is a bluff. If they actually thought they had a decent case they wouldn't need to be making veiled threats all over the place. They know they don't stand a chance in court and will be desperately hoping for some compensation, which will be a few hundred thousand at best.

Nah mate, what a load of nonsense. Have you even been on Kickback? Every team in Scotland is bricking it at the prospect of legal action from the famous. It's practically been ruled in their favour already. They're actually doing this reconstruction stuff, not for Hearts' benefit, but for everyone else in Scottish football. It would save us millions.

And don't think just because the Belgian courts have thrown their relegated teams' court case out, or because the French courts have thrown their relegated teams' case out, that we should believe that to be any kind of indication as to what will happen when the famous bring a court case against the SPFL for relegating them, based on nothing other than hatred of Hearts - who could not possibly have done anything to prevent it.....

[660]

Kickback is like a parallel universe at this point. They genuinely cannot comprehend why this proposal will be rejected.

[Waxy]

Listened to Tanner on TalkSPORT, he ended with “Ann Budge now has to go back to the drawing board”.

Eh, naw! YoI’ve had two bites at the cherry, time to suck it up and prepare for life in the championship. The most graceless, undignified relegation ever rumbles on...

There is no drawing board anymore.
This is affecting every club in Scotland. We’ll just keep proposing model after model?
Dont think so.

[HFC93]

Very different situations, but the language being used by Hearts right now is the same as Rangers in 2012. Clubs will go bust, the Premiership needs us, etc. How did that work out?

[G B Young]

Listened to Tanner on TalkSPORT, he ended with “Ann Budge now has to go back to the drawing board”.

Eh, naw! YoI’ve had two bites at the cherry, time to suck it up and prepare for life in the championship. The most graceless, undignified relegation ever rumbles on...

Exactly. She can stick her effing drawing board. It's not like one of those kids etchasketch boards where you can just swipe it clean and keep drawing until you get it right. Why the **** would she be granted yet another stab at this?! Move on Budge. You're boring.

[northgreen24]

Kickback is like a parallel universe at this point. They genuinely cannot comprehend why this proposal will be rejected.

It’s crazy normally you would expect someone to pull them back but they are all completely convinced that they are the savour and we are all so lucky........they are the ones in the championship but we are all doomed I tell ya

[Sioux]

"It is not for me to suggest who should and who shouldn’t play football. It is for Clubs themselves to make that decision. For that reason, the suggested format assumes all 42 Clubs, structured in such a way as to allow each Division to decide what is best for them."

This bit gets my goat.

The lower leagues can basically fend for themsleves, and if some go bust, tuff titty.

[NC1875]

I used to feel a bit sorry for her. Now I can’t stand her.

Wish the SPFL would just put her out her misery and tell her it’s not happening. 👋🏽

[roo62]

Agreed. Is there no limit to this woman's desperation? One minute they're pleading poverty, next they're offering to share their abundance of resources with us all. We are truly blessed to have such a benevolent club among us.

But fail to acknowledge their greatness and all the good things they do for us all, and it's off to the courts. You could not make this stuff up. More twists and turns than a Dom Cummings test drive.
Just not in the same league as Hibs on and off the park

[Kato]

It starts by saying Hearts will fund the testing but then goes on to say they'll contribute to the cost. All clubs will contribute to the cost so which is it Hearts are saying they'll do? Contribute like the rest or fund it (which in my book means pay for it all)?

Does the offer only stand if they get given Premiership status? (the article says it seems to hinge on it). If so, then that sounds to me like bribery.Saying they'll fund testing if Hearts are "un-relegated".

What kind of altruism is that?

Shoddy morals. Either offer to fund it or shut up. Using it as a bargaining chip is a disgrace.

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[northgreen24]

Podcast up this will not doubt be a pro genius budge and we are all just too daft to understand her greatness

[Glory Lurker]

If Cove do end up staying in the bottom tier what's the jambo jargon for that? Height-adjusted?

[DaveF]

If Cove do end up staying in the bottom tier what's the jambo jargon for that? Height-adjusted?

Expelled

[007]

Everyone has probably heard how prohibitive the ongoing cost of testing would be however Hearts have only offered to fund the testing machine, there's no mention of paying for the ongoing costs of testing. The machine only costs £36,000 as per this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/30/premier-league-confident-of-securing-covid-19-testing-kits-for-return

In any case Ian Maxwell said that he reckoned the ongoing costs would be less than half of what had previously been said and that the SFA could help with meeting the costs. (I daresay this could stretch to the £36k for the machine).
12 mins 30 seconds into the podcast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08f1964

Hearts also went on to say Tynecastle facilities could be used as one of the hubs however Murrayfield is already being discussed as one and Scottish Rugby are keen for it to be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52667320

It would make a lot more sense as the 67k capacity would make it possible to get in a decent sized crowd and still do social distancing.

Hearts cannot offer close to what Murrayfield can and certainly no more than what Hibs can. Here's the Hearts bit on it.

With this kind of financial backing, Hearts is in a position to fund the Testing Equipment and other resources needed to enable a safe “return to training and to playing” in line with Government guidelines. We are also willing to share these resources with other Clubs, across all Divisions in the League, as requirements become clearer.

The possibility of operating through “Hubs” is currently being considered and if that route proved to be sensible, Hearts is very well placed to help. Geography would undoubtedly play a part in this, but we would be happy to offer the use of Tynecastle’s facilities, on a non-profit basis, to other Premiership, Championship or League 1 clubs, where fixture scheduling allowed. Our recent infra- structure investment has provided us with 2 sets of UEFA standard changing rooms, medical facilities, tunnels and technical areas. Hearts could make these facilities available, as well as TV and media facilities. For example, were it desirable for scheduling purposes, with duplicate sets of facilities, 2 games could even be played on one day, without the need for deep cleaning in-between.

We also have access to highly flexible training facilities. Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Listened to Tanner on TalkSPORT, he ended with “Ann Budge now has to go back to the drawing board”.

Eh, naw! YoI’ve had two bites at the cherry, time to suck it up and prepare for life in the championship. The most graceless, undignified relegation ever rumbles on...

Oh she better ****ing no be

This is beyond a joke as it is

[Skol]

The space for seats at Tynecastle is much tighter than at Easter road. Consequently it would be harder to implement an already social distancing in to that stadium. At least they have upper and lower tiers though which would help. And multiple spacious points of access. .

[Since452]

The big jobbie has taken some flushing but it’s almost away

Not just a big jobbie, a massive jobbie. The third biggest jobbie in Scotland. We know how much they love to celebrate all things third

[brog]

Everyone has probably heard how prohibitive the ongoing cost of testing would be however Hearts have only offered to fund the testing machine, there's no mention of paying for the ongoing costs of testing. The machine only costs £36,000 as per this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/30/premier-league-confident-of-securing-covid-19-testing-kits-for-return

In any case Ian Maxwell said that he reckoned the ongoing costs would be less than half of what had previously been said and that the SFA could help with meeting the costs. (I daresay this could stretch to the £36k for the machine).
12 mins 30 seconds into the podcast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08f1964

Hearts also went on to say Tynecastle facilities could be used as one of the hubs however Murrayfield is already being discussed as one and Scottish Rugby are keen for it to be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52667320

It would make a lot more sense as the 67k capacity would make it possible to get in a decent sized crowd and still do social distancing.

Hearts cannot offer close to what Murrayfield can and certainly no more than what Hibs can. Here's the Hearts bit on it.

With this kind of financial backing, Hearts is in a position to fund the Testing Equipment and other resources needed to enable a safe “return to training and to playing” in line with Government guidelines. We are also willing to share these resources with other Clubs, across all Divisions in the League, as requirements become clearer.

The possibility of operating through “Hubs” is currently being considered and if that route proved to be sensible, Hearts is very well placed to help. Geography would undoubtedly play a part in this, but we would be happy to offer the use of Tynecastle’s facilities, on a non-profit basis, to other Premiership, Championship or League 1 clubs, where fixture scheduling allowed. Our recent infra- structure investment has provided us with 2 sets of UEFA standard changing rooms, medical facilities, tunnels and technical areas. Hearts could make these facilities available, as well as TV and media facilities. For example, were it desirable for scheduling purposes, with duplicate sets of facilities, 2 games could even be played on one day, without the need for deep cleaning in-between.

We also have access to highly flexible training facilities. Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football.


That's disgraceful, half threat, half bribery! Will Hearts not have access to highly flexible training facilities when they're in the Championship then? Does highly flexible mean available when spotty students give up the court?

[CropleyWasGod]

If Cove do end up staying in the bottom tier what's the jambo jargon for that? Height-adjusted?

Ejaculation denial.

[CapitalGreen]

Am I the only one who finds it quite distasteful that Hearts are offering the incentive of coronavirus tests during a pandemic in exchange for votes?

[Rumble de Thump]

When is this being put to a vote?

[Groathillgrump]

Not just a big jobbie, a massive jobbie. The third biggest jobbie in Scotland. We know how much they love to celebrate all things turd

Fixed that for you. :wink:

[chasitup]

Am I the only one who finds it quite distasteful that Hearts are offering the incentive of coronavirus tests during a pandemic in exchange for votes?

No you're not the only one. I find everything they do distasteful but this is up there.

[Biggie]

Everyone has probably heard how prohibitive the ongoing cost of testing would be however Hearts have only offered to fund the testing machine, there's no mention of paying for the ongoing costs of testing. The machine only costs £36,000 as per this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/30/premier-league-confident-of-securing-covid-19-testing-kits-for-return

In any case Ian Maxwell said that he reckoned the ongoing costs would be less than half of what had previously been said and that the SFA could help with meeting the costs. (I daresay this could stretch to the £36k for the machine).
12 mins 30 seconds into the podcast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08f1964

Hearts also went on to say Tynecastle facilities could be used as one of the hubs however Murrayfield is already being discussed as one and Scottish Rugby are keen for it to be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52667320

It would make a lot more sense as the 67k capacity would make it possible to get in a decent sized crowd and still do social distancing.

Hearts cannot offer close to what Murrayfield can and certainly no more than what Hibs can. Here's the Hearts bit on it.

With this kind of financial backing, Hearts is in a position to fund the Testing Equipment and other resources needed to enable a safe “return to training and to playing” in line with Government guidelines. We are also willing to share these resources with other Clubs, across all Divisions in the League, as requirements become clearer.

The possibility of operating through “Hubs” is currently being considered and if that route proved to be sensible, Hearts is very well placed to help. Geography would undoubtedly play a part in this, but we would be happy to offer the use of Tynecastle’s facilities, on a non-profit basis, to other Premiership, Championship or League 1 clubs, where fixture scheduling allowed. Our recent infra- structure investment has provided us with 2 sets of UEFA standard changing rooms, medical facilities, tunnels and technical areas. Hearts could make these facilities available, as well as TV and media facilities. For example, were it desirable for scheduling purposes, with duplicate sets of facilities, 2 games could even be played on one day, without the need for deep cleaning in-between.

We also have access to highly flexible training facilities. Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football.

The pitch ?...what no mention of the eufa standard pitch ?....oh wait
The 'kin highly flexible training facilities...good lord have they no shame ?
Have they spoken to the Uni to see if the training facilities would be available ?

hooring themselves at anyone/anything......

[Rumble de Thump]

Do Hearts actually have four changing rooms?

[CockneyRebel]

Fixed that for you. :wink:


You didn't have to change the spelling, just say say "third" in a broad Irish accent.

[Peevemor]

Do Hearts actually have four changing rooms?

Yes - their new ones and the others that they installed under the Wheatfield when the new stand was being built.

[Rumble de Thump]

Yes - their new ones and the others that they installed under the Wheatfield when the new stand was being built.

Everything about that club is weird.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Not just a big jobbie, a massive jobbie. The third biggest jobbie in Scotland. We know how much they love to celebrate all things third

Third biggest (enter word of choice) in Scotland.

Just say third in an faux irish accent...😉

[Waxy]

Raith extend 14 players contracts as security during the covid crisis.
Fantastic gesture.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Do Hearts actually have four changing rooms?

It's what all big clubs have.

[Bostonhibby]

It's what all big clubs have.[emoji106]

And no directors box plus alfresco press "suite".

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[tamig]

The pitch ?...what no mention of the eufa standard pitch ?....oh wait
The 'kin highly flexible training facilities...good lord have they no shame ?
Have they spoken to the Uni to see if the training facilities would be available ?

hooring themselves at anyone/anything......
And how the hell would that pitch cope with two games in a day? Fantasy Island stuff.

[Not In The Know]

Do Hearts actually have four changing rooms?

Q. how do you ovwerstepnd by £20 mill when building one stand?
A. For starters build 2 Home changing rooms and ehhh... 2 away changing rooms! 😂

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Do Hearts actually have four changing rooms?

Not sure if this is included in jambo maths but you're meant to have 4

Home team, Away teams, Match officials (male), match officials (female)

Our West stand has this

[Cat Stanton]

I'm running down my phone battery continually looking for updates on this nonsense. Does anyone actually know if a decision/vote is going to happen today, or will this again rumble on forever and ever amen..?

[calumhibee1]

Raith extend 14 players contracts as security during the covid crisis.
Fantastic gesture.

Na. Not having that. Literally every club is about to go bust.

[Ronniekirk]

I'm running down my phone battery continually looking for updates on this nonsense. Does anyone actually know if a decision/vote is going to happen today, or will this again rumble on forever and ever amen..?

Looking for the same Iis it too much to ask that they clarify this when fans are weighing up whether to get a Season Ticket or not
The uncertainty isn’t helpful


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[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Q. how do you ovwerstepnd by £20 mill when building one stand?
A. For starters build 2 Home changing rooms and ehhh... 2 away changing rooms! 😂

Amazing when you think the stadium of light only cost 24M!

[GreenCastle]

Am I the only one who finds it quite distasteful that Hearts are offering the incentive of coronavirus tests during a pandemic in exchange for votes?

No your not alone.

Though this is the club with no shame.

[Peevemor]

Not sure if this is included in jambo maths but you're meant to have 4

Home team, Away teams, Match officials (male), match officials (female)

Our West stand has this

Hearts have 2 complete sets of changing rooms.

[JimBHibees]

Tom English has gone very quiet.

Has he realised the folly of supporting Budge’s incoherent and ill-thought out proposals?

Incredibly quiet. Listened to part of last nights show where he was slagging off Strachan comments of the night before saying he didn't like the derogatory tone of some of Gordon's opinions. Pot and kettle comes to mind. Hope his Hearts consultancy fee paid well. :greengrin

[where'stheslope]

Saying they'll fund testing if Hearts are "un-relegated".

What kind of altruism is that?

Shoddy morals. Either offer to fund it or shut up. Using it as a bargaining chip is a disgrace.

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Let them carry on, earlier the papers were saying it would cost £150,000 per club for testing in a season.
£150,000 X 14 teams will manage to save them £900,000 over the year from their supposed £3 million loss for relegation!!!!
All 13 other teams can rub their hands and say thank you!!!!

[G B Young]

Can anyone clarify if today's meeting is due to bring any sort of closure on Budge's latest witterings? ie is there a vote or can they simply reject the plan by making it clear to her it has no chance of success and then confirm publicly that there will be no reconstruction? We need a line drawn under this absurd saga, which could have been concluded weeks ago.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Hearts have 2 complete sets of changing rooms.

so they have 8 dressing rooms?!?!

That explains the £20m and climbing price tag

[heid the baw]

The whole reconstruction debate is missing the real point which is
"Why would you task someone who oversaw the 3rd biggest budget in the Scottish game and who's team subsequently ended up only winning 4 games out of 30, with the job of reorganisting the whole of Scottish football?"
No further questions M'Lud

[JimBHibees]

If a club like Partick Thistle put forward a proposal that leaves the premiership as is and comes up with a better solution for the lower leagues it would probably pass.

Wonder why they don't?

[G B Young]

The whole reconstruction debate is missing the real point which is
"Why would you task someone who oversaw the 3rd biggest budget in the Scottish game and who's team subsequently ended up only winning 4 games out of 30, with the job of reorganisting the whole of Scottish football?"
No further questions M'Lud

It's her refusal to acknowledge that their ineptitude on and off the pitch played the decisive role in getting them relegated that makes her so hard to take seriously.

I think the only time she actually hinted at the fact she knew they were crap was when she said something like 'we had a terrible start to the season and we weren't quite clear of it before lockdown'.

[007]

Do Hearts actually have four changing rooms?


Yes - their new ones and the others that they installed under the Wheatfield when the new stand was being built.


Not sure if this is included in jambo maths but you're meant to have 4

Home team, Away teams, Match officials (male), match officials (female)

Our West stand has this


Hearts have 2 complete sets of changing rooms.


so they have 8 dressing rooms?!?!

That explains the £20m and climbing price tag

So 2 doctors Budge has 2 complete sets of changing rooms. This is getting to be like a Fawlty Towers sketch.

https://youtu.be/RnaHybw6CBI

[Man Down Under]

Funny how Hearts fans talk about sporting integrity and the good of Scottish football, the white knights who will save the day.
Then one tweet later they start circling Hamilton like vultures, rejoicing in the potential death of another team.

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[RyeSloan]

so they have 8 dressing rooms?!?!

That explains the £20m and climbing price tag

To be clear they have one complete set in each stand.

They added changing rooms in the Wheatfield when they were rebuilding the main stand.

They continued to use them well after the main stand was ‘finished’ because the dressing rooms in the main stand were not fitted out.

It was only last season (or back end of the one before) that they finally got around to fitting out the main stand dressing rooms and using them.

They therefore have a compete set of dressing rooms now largely redundant in the wheatfield.

It’s how all big teams do it of course.

[Stuart93]

Funny how Hearts fans talk about sporting integrity and the good of Scottish football, the white knights who will save the day.
Then one tweet later they start circling Hamilton like vultures, rejoicing in the potential death of another team.

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Hearts talking about sporting integrity in general is funny

Like they’ve completely wiped the fact they went into administration from their memories. The exact opposite of sporting integrity

[Rumble de Thump]

I think Budge's reconstrucion plan is heading to the same place as that random staircase in their new(ish) stand.

[The 90+2]

Hearts talking about sporting integrity in general is funny

Like they’ve completely wiped the fact they went into administration from their memories. The exact opposite of sporting integrity

Correct. Or the timing of going into admin, sending Dundee down. Basic cheating in so many ways.

[Tambo]

I had a conversation with someone at work today about clubs loosing money if a new season goes ahead in August with no fans for at least 2020 and clubs decide to offer live streaming.

Yes clubs will loose revenue with food, merchandise etc but does anyone think more fans would pay for live streaming at a reasonable price than actually go to the game?

Yes the hardcore fans would pay for it but it could bring in more casual fans and fans like myself who live miles away and can only get to 1 game a month etc.

What would a reasonable price be?

[greenpaper55]

Not looking good for the jambos

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52819737 .

[JeMeSouviens]

I had a conversation with someone at work today about clubs loosing money if a new season goes ahead in August with no fans for at least 2020 and clubs decide to offer live streaming.

Yes clubs will loose revenue with food, merchandise etc but does anyone think more fans would pay for live streaming at a reasonable price than actually go to the game?

Yes the hardcore fans would pay for it but it could bring in more casual fans and fans like myself who live miles away and can only get to 1 game a month etc.

What would a reasonable price be?

I think it depends on quality, both in terms of the production quality and the livestream. £10 for something basic. £15-£20 for a proper multiple cameras with flawless HD type setup. Wouldn't be unreasonable I don't think.

[Ronniekirk]

Can anyone clarify if today's meeting is due to bring any sort of closure on Budge's latest witterings? ie is there a vote or can they simply reject the plan by making it clear to her it has no chance of success and then confirm publicly that there will be no reconstruction? We need a line drawn under this absurd saga, which could have been concluded weeks ago.

In. Word No


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[Victor]

I had a conversation with someone at work today about clubs loosing money if a new season goes ahead in August with no fans for at least 2020 and clubs decide to offer live streaming.

Yes clubs will loose revenue with food, merchandise etc but does anyone think more fans would pay for live streaming at a reasonable price than actually go to the game?

Yes the hardcore fans would pay for it but it could bring in more casual fans and fans like myself who live miles away and can only get to 1 game a month etc.

What would a reasonable price be?

I think live streaming of ‘closed doors’ games would be a sensible approach. Make it free for season ticket holders and charge say £15.00 a game for everyone else. The only problem would be Sky and any other broadcasters who have transmission rights. Not sure if the contract they have with the SPFL would exclude anyone else showing games, even if they are not covering it.


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[nonshinyfinish]

Not looking good for the jambos

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52819737 .

Real shame that.

[CapitalGreen]

Not looking good for the jambos

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52819737 .

This is what happens when you have a non-footballing person in charge of footballing operations. She is absolutely clueless on how football works.

[Ozyhibby]

So from L1 and L2 we have Elgin, Stenhousemuir, Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Cove Rangers voting against?
It’s dead in the water before we even have to consider the premier league or Championship.


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[Bostonhibby]

So from L1 and L2 we have Elgin, Stenhousemuir, Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Cove Rangers voting against?
It’s dead in the water before we even have to consider the premier league or Championship.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBut how can this be when Mrs doctor Budge was doing all this for the benefit of these sort of teams?

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[jeffers]

This is what happens when you have a non-footballing person in charge of footballing operations. She is absolutely clueless on how football works.

Yes but it’s all ok as she’s happy to discuss concerns any clubs may have with her proposals.

[ancient hibee]

Cove can use the Tynecastle facilities so surely they’ll vote for.

[Billy Whizz]

Cove can use the Tynecastle facilities so surely they’ll vote for.

Wonder if Hearts will have to train at Tynecastle, as the Oriam is public facilities, even though they have their own changing rooms

[Skol]

The problem here is that it is all about hearts with no thought for anyone else.

When it gets bombed out on that basis though there wil be cries of corruption. It really isn’t though. It’s just teams making a decision based on how it impacts them and what is best for them.

[Mon Dieu4]

Wonder if Hearts will have to train at Tynecastle, as the Oriam is public facilities, even though they have their own changing rooms

They aren't public, they are "highly flexible" said so in their Mein Kampf

[Heisenberg]

Now going into meetings next week. Premiership are planned to meet on Monday to discuss the proposal. Hopefully kicked into touch after that.

[Ozyhibby]

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[jeffers]

I can’t believe no one in the press are calling her out for this. If they were so intent on doing things for the good of Scottish football she would be making the offers without the condition being they have to get promoted. Instead she produces this pish, is she really that arrogant and full of her own self importance she doesn’t think everyone can see it for what it is. She should be told to F off for the statement about the premiership needing hearts, for that alone she can do one.

[007]

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Thanks Ozy

They should just put it to a vote to get it decided one way or the other, otherwise this going back and forth will go on and on forever. Discussing it now and like this will not solve anything. There is no set up that she can come up with which will work for everyone. Either go with her proposal or not and that should be the end of it.

What happens if the Premiership discussions go the same way as last time? Ann Budge goes away and comes back yet again with virtually the same proposal but hopes, like their fans do, some clubs have gone or are about to go bust so that clubs change their minds.

This proposal isn't the answer. The SPFL established the working parties to work on how to restart football. Let them come up with proposals once we know when football will restart and which clubs will play and which ones want to mothball.

A deadline needs to be put on this matter and should have been weeks ago.

[Chorley Hibee]

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This is becoming beyond a joke now.

Will someone just bring and end to this nonsense for all our sake.

[Onion]

Yes but it’s all ok as she’s happy to discuss concerns any clubs may have with her proposals.

The arrogance of that is stunning. Suggesting fellow chairmen of football clubs are somehow unable to get their poor wee heads around the complexities of an Ann Budge reconstruction plan. Sadly for her, most see right through the transparency of her plan - save Hears by any means. Sell it as benefitting everyone, and that Hearts are too big in bigliness to be consigned to a crap league like the Championship.

She really does put her size 2 (W)s in her mouth everything time she opens it.

[rossevenil]

And its a NO from Stenhousemuir and Elgin City! Stenhousemuir Chairman saying whats been needed to be said all along,its to SAVE HEARTS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52819737

[Stuart93]

I can’t believe no one in the press are calling her out for this. If they were so intent on doing things for the good of Scottish football she would be making the offers without the condition being they have to get promoted. Instead she produces this pish, is she really that arrogant and full of her own self importance she doesn’t think everyone can see it for what it is. She should be told to F off for the statement about the premiership needing hearts, for that alone she can do one.

Because the press are *****bags...they’d rather try to pander to her nonsense than call it out.

Everyone knows her being charge of reconstruction is for the benefit of hearts and hearts only

[Onion]

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Oh dear God. This is a war of attrition.

You can only assume the SPFL are going through the motions as it will strengthen their position should the Budge decide (after she's been blown out of the water) to take legal action against the clubs. There can be no other logical reason for allowing this to drag on and on, when it appears clear it's going to get rejected.

After all of this crap, can you ever imagine a judge agreeing to hear Hearts whining in court having been given every possible opportunity to affect change ?

[Andy74]

Wonder if Hearts will have to train at Tynecastle, as the Oriam is public facilities, even though they have their own changing rooms

I thought Oriam was nothing to do with Hearts? Same campus but don’t Hearts have the use of the facilities that they always did next door?

[Ozyhibby]

I thought Oriam was nothing to do with Hearts? Same campus but don’t Hearts have the use of the facilities that they always did next door?

Yes. If they want to hire Oriam they pay the same as we do.


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[Billy Whizz]

I thought Oriam was nothing to do with Hearts? Same campus but don’t Hearts have the use of the facilities that they always did next door?

What I meant was the full complex, I thought was known as the Oriam, not just the indoor pitch
Their changing rooms overlook the pitch

[jeffers]

Because the press are *****bags...they’d rather try to pander to her nonsense than call it out.

Everyone knows her being charge of reconstruction is for the benefit of hearts and hearts only

If It was us who had finished bottom and LD was acting the way Budge is (though I’m confident she never would) do you think the press would still keep quiet ? I don’t think so, but for reasons I can’t comprehend they still trot out the line about her being a great businesswoman, when the facts show, as far as her time in charge of Hearts is concerned she is anything but.

[Col2]

SPFL can’t just throw it out. Needs to go to the clubs. We should see the end of this on Monday as the premiership clubs will have to decide if this charade should continue.

[NC1875]

SPFL can’t just throw it out. Needs to go to the clubs. We should see the end of this on Monday as the premiership clubs will have to decide if this charade should continue.

Will it be the end though ? Or will she just go away and come back with something else ? The SPFL need to say the vote on Monday is final and they’ll hear no more about it afterwards.

[Stuart93]

SPFL can’t just throw it out. Needs to go to the clubs. We should see the end of this on Monday as the premiership clubs will have to decide if this charade should continue.

Aye it’s just following the same process As her previous reconstruction idea. That was presented in a meeting of premiership clubs who then flung it out

[Iain G]

The arrogance of that is stunning. Suggesting fellow chairmen of football clubs are somehow unable to get their poor wee heads around the complexities of an Ann Budge reconstruction plan. Sadly for her, most see right through the transparency of her plan - save Hears by any means. Sell it as benefitting everyone, and that Hearts are too big in bigliness to be consigned to a crap league like the Championship.

She really does put her size 2 (W)s in her mouth everything time she opens it.

From what I have read of it, the document isn't even a professional proposal, she starts off trying to be about them game and it quickly traverses downhill into "...won't you think of the poor Jambo children" kinda begging letter! Surprised she hasn't started some kind of campaign on daytime TV "for just £10 a week you too can help save Austin McPhee's hair"...narrated by one of their famous celeb fans.

Is there any actual real proof she has run a business before in a professional capacity? :greengrin

[we are hibs]

Assuming all premiership clubs can play then it should be a 12 team top flight.


If there are issues in the lower leagues then those clubs should have their own vote on that. Premiership clubs should stay out of it unless they are asked to help. There maybe restructure but it doesnt need to involve every league.

[660]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

[JohnMcM]

Amazing when you think the stadium of light only cost 24M!

Ah! But you must remember that the lights in the half finished new stand are brighter than any lights anywhere in the world.

[jeffers]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

Un******believable.

Apart from all the other wind and pish in that article, he just can’t help himself with his 3rd biggest support pish. Based on what ? Certainly not home crowds and I’m not convinced they take a bigger away support than us.

And the chat about a lot of Hearts fans not supporting Mercer’s plans ? Not how I remember it, the majority were delighted at the thought of it succeeding.

[Since452]

Hearts have 2 complete sets of changing rooms.

Only diddy wee tinpot clubs have two changing rooms

[Greenworld]

Now going into meetings next week. Premiership are planned to meet on Monday to discuss the proposal. Hopefully kicked into touch after that.Makes sense the spfl - sfa meet the scot gov on Friday i think . So they will be clearer on the way forward and able to tell premier first. I'm guessing if enough indicate no from premier on Monday its done

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[Waxy]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391
Really? I dont know where to begin.Could someone better with words than me please completely trash him.

[JeMeSouviens]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

He literally chooses Hearts launching a hostile takeover to close down Hibs as an example "where off the field cooperation was greater."

:confused:

****ing ****.

[Kojock]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

This bit is a topper 😂

Despite that, Hearts will survive, be it in the Premiership, Championship or even in the English league - and they will prosper.

English league!!! WTF is in the water over Gorgie way ??

[Since452]

Un******believable.

Apart from all the other wind and pish in that article, he just can’t help himself with his 3rd biggest support pish. Based on what ? Certainly not home crowds and I’m not convinced they take a bigger away support than us.

And the chat about a lot of Hearts fans not supporting Mercer’s plans ? Not how I remember it, the majority were delighted at the thought of it succeeding.

Hearts are the only club in world football that prides itself on 3rd best/biggest etc and constantly bangs on about it, even when it isn't true. Complete losers mentality.

[JeMeSouviens]

This bit is a topper 😂

Despite that, Hearts will survive, be it in the Premiership, Championship or even in the English league - and they will prosper.

English league!!! WTF is in the water over Georgie way ??

Hmmm, have we factored England into the calculation of "who needs Hearts the most"?

Tell you what, the Falkland Islands could use some of the plucky spirit from old Tommy that saw off the Bosh - why don't they just **** off to there?

[Iggy Pope]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

A footie cretin. And so is Aidan Smith.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Will the result of next weeks vote be the end of It?
Or do we keep going until more dodgy dossiers are threatened to be unleashed and AB gets the result she wants

[Since452]

Will the result of next weeks vote be the end of It?
Or do we keep going until more dodgy dossiers are threatened to be unleashed and AB gets the result she wants

It'll be the end of it until Ann Budge puts proposal number 3 on the table. Then 4, then 5 and so on

[The 90+2]

Why is the Scotsman giving that welt the platform to post his ****? Is he paying them for advertising along with selling houses?

[RyeSloan]

This bit is a topper [emoji23]

Despite that, Hearts will survive, be it in the Premiership, Championship or even in the English league - and they will prosper.

English league!!! WTF is in the water over Georgie way ??

Almost as good as the ‘well constructed plan’ statement! Laughed out loud when I read that...

[Aldo]

He literally chooses Hearts launching a hostile takeover to close down Hibs as an example "where off the field cooperation was greater."

:confused:

****ing ****.

This article alone is the reason Hibs should never ****ing ever show any favour for that bunch of self righteous egotists.

Get the no vote in Ron/Leanne right after St Mirren in an 11/1 vote.


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[Aldo]

Why is the Scotsman giving that welt the platform to post his ****? Is he paying them for advertising along with selling houses?

Jambo rag plain and simple. They are being fed this pish by then with a view to galvanising the city.

Away and get yursel tae ****


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[The 90+2]

This article alone is the reason Hibs should never ****ing ever show any favour for that bunch of self righteous egotists.

Get the no vote in Ron/Leanne right after St Mirren in an 11/1 vote.


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Exactly. But he knows that. The article isn’t to gather Hibernian support in any way, it’s to keep himself in favour and in the spotlight with the desperate hordes in slum country. The Scotsman give him the platform to write any ***** he likes.

[Greenworld]

Will the result of next weeks vote be the end of It?
Or do we keep going until more dodgy dossiers are threatened to be unleashed and AB gets the result she wantsThats actually a good point how many times can proposals be put forward ?
Do you need to put for forward a proposal to vote for no more reconstruction proposals?
Does budge get to sit in on all meetings?


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[The 90+2]

Jambo rag plain and simple. They are being fed this pish by then with a view to galvanising the city.

Away and get yursel tae ****


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Should just get a double page exclusive interview by Barry Anderson on how amazing and big hearts are.

[Kato]

The problem here is that it is all about hearts with no thought for anyone else.



But don't you see that it benefits everyone else because Scottish football really, really, really need Hearts in the Top Division? Everyone benefits from having Hearts not relegated. Everyone. At least I think that it is what they think everyone should believe.

[Aldo]

Should just get a double page exclusive interview by Barry Anderson on how amazing and big hearts are.

No no, not yet. It’ll all be able corruption and how teams have let down Scottish Football by not relegating 20 teams to save them from going down.

I really do wonder if all this ‘we’ve got more donations via the FOH and benefactors filling to finance us fir the next 5 years’ is a smoke screen all the lines of last tune when Southern said they were ‘self sufficient’?

The FOH money won’t be anywhere near what they need and the Benny’s better have deep pockets.

So in the space of a few weeks they’ve went from a £3 million cash shortfall to having finances in place for next 5 years, or backing anyway?? Something just doesn’t add up to me.

I really do hope it’s Admin 2 or even better liquidation!


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[Aldo]

But don't you see that it benefits everyone else because Scottish football really, really, really need Hearts in the Top Division? Everyone benefits from having Hearts not relegated. Everyone. At least I think that it is what they think everyone should believe.

Sorry don’t want to be critical of your post but you’ve missed out a really!! [emoji85]


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[Kato]

A footie cretin. And so is Aidan Smith.


...paraphrasing his sense of balance...

"Hearts fans wanted to see Hibs survive Wallace Mercers attempt to wipe them off the map."

"Hibs fans tried to subvert Hearts attempts to survive after Vlad rinsed us."

A snide of the highest order.

Hearts were relegated because they were the worst team over the season. Very, very simple to understand.

[Kato]

Sorry don’t want to be critical of your post but you’ve missed out a really!! [emoji85]


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...along with two "absolutelys"...and a couple of "can't you sees".....

We do really need them though, like a dose of the clap.

[duffers]

Is the 1000 extra FOH pledges going to be enough to cover the embarrassment they are going to have in court?

[brianmc]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

No need for Hands off Hibs after all.

Dean's just told Mercer the takeover was a bad idea "and the rest is history"!!!

Aye ok Leslie Mitty

[Rumble de Thump]

Really? I dont know where to begin.Could someone better with words than me please completely trash him.

You could just use the poo emoji.

[Jim44]

Hearts have offered to fund COVID-19 testing for other Scottish clubs should their reconstruction proposal be accepted, with their mystery benefactors committing their support for a further five years.

The individuals have ploughed £9m into the club over the past three years and are set to continue offering financial support.


And with that set to continue until 2025, Ann Budge has suggested that the Jambos could contribute to the costs of testing for coronavirus at clubs across Scotland in a bid to help get football back underway.

However, that would appear to hinge on the proposal, which was circulated last yesterday and will be discussed by the SPFL Board this afternoon, gaining enough support to become a reality.

I’ve said on various occasions that Fudge and Ben E. Factor :greengrin will be doing anything, including throwing money around, to keep Hearts in the top flight. I’m sure she will continue to financially bribe and persuade clubs to accept her proposals. If it’s for the good of all Scottish football, why not keep her generous offer on the table, even if they don’t escape relegation. Oh no, it’s all conditional and stinks. She has no scruples and she’s beyond reproach in the way she is scurrying around to dig them out of the hole they are sinking into.

[Aldo]

...along with two "absolutelys"...and a couple of "can't you sees".....

We do really need them though, like a dose of the clap.

They live for us I sure as **** don’t live for them. I really really really absolutely want them to go bust.


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[Mick O'Rourke]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-aDeansnn-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391 (https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391)

Deans and Fattie Foulkes had themselves nearly took hertz to the brink with spiralling debts.

Remember the Cala Homes and SMG sagas ?
Anyway along came the Russian saviour to bail them both out.
Dont know why jambos put up with this guy
Short memories, i guess
They do tend to deny or conveniently forget any past crisis when their club spent or misspent money they did not have.
Why cant the just take the medicine and move along

[tamig]

And its a NO from Stenhousemuir and Elgin City! Stenhousemuir Chairman saying whats been needed to be said all along,its to SAVE HEARTS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52819737

Hopefully this will open the door for others to come out and tell it like it is. A sham of a proposal.

[Stuart93]

This bit is a topper 😂

Despite that, Hearts will survive, be it in the Premiership, Championship or even in the English league - and they will prosper.

English league!!! WTF is in the water over Gorgie way ??

If hearts will survive AND PROSPER in the championship why don’t they and Leslie shut the **** up and accept it? That article is ****ing horrendous & it’s bemusing the Scotsman would give him the platform to spout that absolute nonsense

[brianmc]

Maybe to head off a double version of Admin2 they could merge with their brethren from Govan and build a new super stadium somewhere "neutral" in between their current hovels - Harthill say - and then **** off to the junior leagues where they may find some of the hillbilly backwaters more welcoming to their kind!

[we are hibs]

Its clearly bait.


Im sure it will keep them warm away to alloa on a tuesday night in march.

[The 90+2]

No no, not yet. It’ll all be able corruption and how teams have let down Scottish Football by not relegating 20 teams to save them from going down.

I really do wonder if all this ‘we’ve got more donations via the FOH and benefactors filling to finance us fir the next 5 years’ is a smoke screen all the lines of last tune when Southern said they were ‘self sufficient’?

The FOH money won’t be anywhere near what they need and the Benny’s better have deep pockets.

So in the space of a few weeks they’ve went from a £3 million cash shortfall to having finances in place for next 5 years, or backing anyway?? Something just doesn’t add up to me.

I really do hope it’s Admin 2 or even better liquidation!


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🤞🤞🤞

[Hibeesmad]

Hearts have offered to fund COVID-19 testing for other Scottish clubs should their reconstruction proposal be accepted, with their mystery benefactors committing their support for a further five years.

The individuals have ploughed £9m into the club over the past three years and are set to continue offering financial support.


And with that set to continue until 2025, Ann Budge has suggested that the Jambos could contribute to the costs of testing for coronavirus at clubs across Scotland in a bid to help get football back underway.

However, that would appear to hinge on the proposal, which was circulated last yesterday and will be discussed by the SPFL Board this afternoon, gaining enough support to become a reality.

I’ve said on various occasions that Fudge and Ben E. Factor :greengrin will be doing anything, including throwing money around, to keep Hearts in the top flight. I’m sure she will continue to financially bribe and persuade clubs to accept her proposals. If it’s for the good of all Scottish football, why not keep her generous offer on the table, even if they don’t escape relegation. Oh no, it’s all conditional and stinks. She has no scruples and she’s beyond reproach in the way she is scurrying around to dig them out of the hole they are sinking into.

Blackmailing to fund testing is pretty low. If she had a bit of class about her she would do this regardless of the division they are in. The statement of her proposal has finally put the nail into the coffin of her reconstruction plans. There is more chance of getting **** out of a rocking horse than her proposal getting the go ahead.

[Carheenlea]

That shameless drivel from Deans should accelerate Hibs into voting against the reconstruction proposal without the need to hear anymore information about her madcap plan on Monday. If it was me I wouldn’t even bother joining the meeting - “Just stick us down as a “No” guys”

[Not In The Know]

SPFL can’t just throw it out. Needs to go to the clubs. We should see the end of this on Monday as the premiership clubs will have to decide if this charade should continue.

yep. This is all a legal box ticking exercise by the SPFL. At the end of it they’ll be down and won’t be able to do anything about it.

[Joe6-2]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

What a dick

[The 90+2]

What a dick

Said no lady, in Leslie Deans’ private company, ever.

[PatHead]

The family Jambo, who has been really quiet lately, has got a stiffy. If Queen Ann's proposal fails, he thinks Hearts won't get relegated as Hamilton are going bust. "Have you not seen their accounts? He asks." They are 500k in debt and no means to pay it. So we are staying up."

I asked why Hearts would come back up and not Inverness."Because we are a big club" was the reply.

I have a horrible feeling that they will somehow wriggle out it. Horrible club with horrible supporters.

It's a shame, I have enjoyed watching them squirm.

[Joe6-2]

Blackmailing to fund testing is pretty low. If she had a bit of class about her she would do this regardless of the division they are in. The statement of her proposal has finally put the nail into the coffin of her reconstruction plans. There is more chance of getting **** out of a rocking horse than her proposal getting the go ahead.

My thoughts exactly, how disgusting to use this pandemic

[LeithMike]

Will the result of next weeks vote be the end of It?
Or do we keep going until more dodgy dossiers are threatened to be unleashed and AB gets the result she wants
What a dickAgreed. I had a great deal of sympathy but that statement is unbelievable. Putting down Hibs at every opportunity and expecting us to support them?!

And as for Hearts prospering - if that's his realistic view then it's completely at odds with his view on the success of any litigation wouldn't stand a chance as there is no loss.

That article together with Budge's package is unbelievably arrogant.

It's almost like they've been arrogant for so long that they now cant even see it in themselves.

They might have got some goodwill by recognising their responsibility for the mess they've got themselves into and showing a bit humility.

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[hulk]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

Why the f..k are the papers giving this buffoon space in the press. He is a Blethering, biaised idiot who some seem to think has a valid opinion. Please put him back in his box.

[Dibben]

Budge is really starting to be he Baldrick of Scottish Football...

Every week - ‘I have a cunning plan...’

[Tug Wilson]

What a dick

Sums it up for me.

[Col2]

It will be 30 year anniversary from Mercer failed takeover in the coming weeks.

I will take great delight in watching them go bust AGAIN as the reconstruction v2564 is destroyed by the vast majority of the clubs.

GIRUY Hearts, I hope your pain is endless.

[Victor]

This bit is a topper [emoji23]

Despite that, Hearts will survive, be it in the Premiership, Championship or even in the English league - and they will prosper.

English league!!! WTF is in the water over Gorgie way ??

If anyone was wavering over supporting Hearts that sentence regarding playing in the English league, should tip them firmly into the ‘against’ camp. I thought it was only the lunatic fringe of the Hearts support that had visions of leaving the SPFL and joining the English Leagues, but we now see that it is rooted in all of them. Institutionalised delusion.


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[Irish_Steve]

Ha ha ha, the seethe is mighty on Brokeback. "How dare these diddy teams dictate to The Famous!"

I'm beginning to fear mass heart attacks over there. Mind you, it will be the only Heart's attacks we've seen all season

[007]

This bit is a topper 😂

Despite that, Hearts will survive, be it in the Premiership, Championship or even in the English league - and they will prosper.

English league!!! WTF is in the water over Gorgie way ??

Tom Engligh must be setting up his own league for all the clubs that have been wronged, in his eyes.

[007]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

Yes, that's right Hearts saved Hibs, not once but twice. Once from relegation nearly 60 years ago by not trying against us and then again from Wallace Mercer.

[Ronniekirk]

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Unreal this is going to drag on and on each group will come up with issues and then need points clarified etc etc
Sounds like the SPFL are promoting this to be seriously discussed and to try and find a consensus
Or am I reading this wrong


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[Callyballybe]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

A quite simply shocking piece. The arrogance alone would've had me half believing this was a wind up.

[JohnMcM]

I offer a thought to match the dignified silence of our club to every member of this forum.

Stop these posts attacking Mrs Budge and her plan. Let her plan run it's course through the SPFL and after as is most likely, it is rejected, we can all get stuck into them. :greengrin

Surely, revenge is a dish best served cold and whilst they are on their knees. :thumbsup:

[Irish_Steve]

Unreal this is going to drag on and on each group will come up with issues and then need points clarified etc etc
Sounds like the SPFL are promoting this to be seriously discussed and to try and find a consensus
Or am I reading this wrong


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I think it`s just the SPFL board making sure the legal process is being followed should it go to court

Judge to Uncle Vinny - "Did the SPFL follow their rules that you had signed up for?"

Uncle Vinny - "Er, yes but but but, we are The Famous"

Judge - "Next"

[007]

The family Jambo, who has been really quiet lately, has got a stiffy. If Queen Ann's proposal fails, he thinks Hearts won't get relegated as Hamilton are going bust. "Have you not seen their accounts? He asks." They are 500k in debt and no means to pay it. So we are staying up."

I asked why Hearts would come back up and not Inverness."Because we are a big club" was the reply.

I have a horrible feeling that they will somehow wriggle out it. Horrible club with horrible supporters.

It's a shame, I have enjoyed watching them squirm.

Presumably he's referring to this:

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1265525391176929281?s=19

Creditors < 12 months have been reduced by £188k from the previous year and creditors > 12 months are reduced by £44k. That's a total reduction of £232k. They've reduced their creditors by 22%, pretty good going though it doesn't tell the full story.

[hibeerealist]

Hearts have offered to fund COVID-19 testing for other Scottish clubs should their reconstruction proposal be accepted, with their mystery benefactors committing their support for a further five years.

The individuals have ploughed £9m into the club over the past three years and are set to continue offering financial support.


And with that set to continue until 2025, Ann Budge has suggested that the Jambos could contribute to the costs of testing for coronavirus at clubs across Scotland in a bid to help get football back underway.

However, that would appear to hinge on the proposal, which was circulated last yesterday and will be discussed by the SPFL Board this afternoon, gaining enough support to become a reality.

I’ve said on various occasions that Fudge and Ben E. Factor :greengrin will be doing anything, including throwing money around, to keep Hearts in the top flight. I’m sure she will continue to financially bribe and persuade clubs to accept her proposals. If it’s for the good of all Scottish football, why not keep her generous offer on the table, even if they don’t escape relegation. Oh no, it’s all conditional and stinks. She has no scruples and she’s beyond reproach in the way she is scurrying around to dig them out of the hole they are sinking into.

I wonder how the players who were FORCED to take wage cuts, NOT deferrals as per other clubs, feel when reading Hertz are minted and have all this financial support from Ben E & the Factors???

Kick in the face for them but Budgie will not get embarrassed no, a club with absolutely NO shame.

All this "we are minted, got financial backing for next 5 years blah blah blah" is all bluster watch it all fall down once Reconstruction dies and Relegation stands!! Ben E & the factors will not be seen for dust. Where were they when the pensioners were robbed or the poppies bumped eh????? Naw the backing is not to pay debts it is only for putting the likes of Naysmith, Boyce or some other er se they canny afford onto their books and want it like a kid at christmas!!!

F--- them get them doon lets hear them squeal, in their words "pleasing"..................bye bye now.

[Baader]

A quite simply shocking piece. The arrogance alone would've had me half believing this was a wind up.

Just laughable. Hearts surviving possibly in the English Leagues? What planet is this slavering midget on?

[Real Emerald]

Unreal this is going to drag on and on each group will come up with issues and then need points clarified etc etc
Sounds like the SPFL are promoting this to be seriously discussed and to try and find a consensus
Or am I reading this wrong


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I think the clubs will want this ended ASAP. Everyone is looking to next season, how they manage the contracts and finances plus selling ST’s. It’s become a sideshow bore with one club in mind. She’s throwing mud at a wall hoping some sticks but then threatening of the consequences of not voting to save Hearts. The Premiership big clubs really need to say the vote on this ridiculous plan will never succeed but on you go, try to sort out your own diddy league, you can have a hub on your own diddy pitch.

[Billy Whizz]

Presumably he's referring to this:

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1265525391176929281?s=19

Creditors < 12 months have been reduced by £188k from the previous year and creditors > 12 months are reduced by £44k. That's a total reduction of £232k. They've reduced their creditors by 22%, pretty good going though it doesn't tell the full story.

They must have it covered somewhere, as they said they aren’t putting season tickets on sale, will be walk ups only

[007]

More proof from Leslie Deans that Hearts' legal case is extremely weak otherwise they wouldn't need to take this heavy handed approach trying to pressurise clubs into voting for reconstruction. He previously said they'd take the clubs to court that voted for the Good Friday resolution to end the season and with this news article he is focusing directly on Hibs. I really hope they take us to court because we vote against a reconstruction which would negatively impact so many other clubs. There's plenty of evidence from clubs' statements, radio interviews with chairmen and newspaper articles to back that up.

[Aldo]

I wonder how the players who were FORCED to take wage cuts, NOT deferrals as per other clubs, feel when reading Hertz are minted and have all this financial support from Ben E & the Factors???

Kick in the face for them but Budgie will not get embarrassed no, a club with absolutely NO shame.

All this "we are minted, got financial backing for next 5 years blah blah blah" is all bluster watch it all fall down once Reconstruction dies and Relegation stands!! Ben E & the factors will not be seen for dust. Where were they when the pensioners were robbed or the poppies bumped eh????? Naw the backing is not to pay debts it is only for putting the likes of Naysmith, Boyce or some other er se they canny afford onto their books and want it like a kid at christmas!!!

F--- them get them doon lets hear them squeal, in their words "pleasing"..................bye bye now.

I mentioned earlier that not so long ago Budge was telling the world that they had a £3 million cash shortfall yet now they have wads of cash??

Really?? What’s changed in the last few weeks to change all this..... Smokescreen I suspect. Where are they funding the 1 million plus per month??


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[Jakhog1]

I can't believe how deluded they are, I am fed up of these cretins and their weirdo mouthpieces, how can any other club support these plans is beyond me, full of self appraisal nonsense, I probably dislike them more now than under Romanov.

[Waxy]

A wee rat money laundering Duncan trying to tell us? Everyone who covered Leith walk and Leith Links in May2016 that we don’t have foresight or leadership unless we vote hearts out of their cheating trouble?
I tell you, i’m no happy with him.
Then i remember.
Hearts are going down.

[invisible man]

Presumably he's referring to this:

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1265525391176929281?s=19

Creditors < 12 months have been reduced by £188k from the previous year and creditors > 12 months are reduced by £44k. That's a total reduction of £232k. They've reduced their creditors by 22%, pretty good going though it doesn't tell the full story.

They have debtors and cash in hand of almost £1.1m

[Keith_M]

Amazing when you think the stadium of light only cost 24M!


That's about £37m in today's money, but they're rapidly catching up.

[007]

They have debtors and cash in hand of almost £1.1m

😂 So they have, I never scrolled up.

Ah well, they might has well lock the doors and hand back the keys, being solvent and all that, how will they manage to carry on?

[EI255]

OMG. Hearts sound desperate now.

Let them die.

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[Ozyhibby]

[emoji23] So they have, I never scrolled up.

Ah well, they might has well lock the doors and hand back the keys, being solvent and all that, how will they manage to carry on?

And they are that skint that they have not bothered to sell season tickets until they have a start date. Hamilton will be fine.


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[proud_and_green]

I find the talk of suing SPFL (or whoever) to be in direct conflict to their talk of 'this is not about Hearts, this is for good of Scottish Football".

If it is for the good Scottish Football presumably their lawsuit would have to be about the damage to Scottish Football of not restructuring....and therefore any funds won would be ploughed back into Scottish football and not be used for Hearts FC ....

[H18 SFR]

The longer this goes on and the more ridiculous it gets, the more I am losing interest in Scottish football.

There are other things out there to fill a Saturday afternoon with.

[GreenCastle]

I find the talk of suing SPFL (or whoever) to be in direct conflict to their talk of 'this is not about Hearts, this is for good of Scottish Football".

If it is for the good Scottish Football presumably their lawsuit would have to be about the damage to Scottish Football of not restructuring....and therefore any funds won would be ploughed back into Scottish football and not be used for Hearts FC ....

Yup.

Budge and co constantly contradict themselves. She is all over the place.

[tamig]

I wonder how the players who were FORCED to take wage cuts, NOT deferrals as per other clubs, feel when reading Hertz are minted and have all this financial support from Ben E & the Factors???

Kick in the face for them but Budgie will not get embarrassed no, a club with absolutely NO shame.

All this "we are minted, got financial backing for next 5 years blah blah blah" is all bluster watch it all fall down once Reconstruction dies and Relegation stands!! Ben E & the factors will not be seen for dust. Where were they when the pensioners were robbed or the poppies bumped eh????? Naw the backing is not to pay debts it is only for putting the likes of Naysmith, Boyce or some other er se they canny afford onto their books and want it like a kid at christmas!!!

F--- them get them doon lets hear them squeal, in their words "pleasing"..................bye bye now.

Its an open goal question and not one of these so called journalists has the balls to ask it. How come if you’re so minted you blackmailed your players into receiving pay cuts? Cowards and clowns the lot of them.

[Ozyhibby]

I find the talk of suing SPFL (or whoever) to be in direct conflict to their talk of 'this is not about Hearts, this is for good of Scottish Football".

If it is for the good Scottish Football presumably their lawsuit would have to be about the damage to Scottish Football of not restructuring....and therefore any funds won would be ploughed back into Scottish football and not be used for Hearts FC ....

There won’t be any legal case. They will consult lawyers and realise they have a very tiny chance of winning. At which point they will bottle it and release a statement that they are holding back for the good of the game.


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[Heckys Wheel]

The longer this goes on and the more ridiculous it gets, the more I am losing interest in Scottish football.

There are other things out there to fill a Saturday afternoon with.

Name 1 better thing to do on a Saturday afternoon than going to Easter Road to watch Hibs play.

“I’ll wait”, as the patter goes.

[GreenCastle]

I wonder how the players who were FORCED to take wage cuts, NOT deferrals as per other clubs, feel when reading Hertz are minted and have all this financial support from Ben E & the Factors???

Kick in the face for them but Budgie will not get embarrassed no, a club with absolutely NO shame.

All this "we are minted, got financial backing for next 5 years blah blah blah" is all bluster watch it all fall down once Reconstruction dies and Relegation stands!! Ben E & the factors will not be seen for dust. Where were they when the pensioners were robbed or the poppies bumped eh????? Naw the backing is not to pay debts it is only for putting the likes of Naysmith, Boyce or some other er se they canny afford onto their books and want it like a kid at christmas!!!

F--- them get them doon lets hear them squeal, in their words "pleasing"..................bye bye now.

Fully agree.

Their fans are deluded and the club has no morales.

Anyone else noticed the constant Hearts stories on Evening News Twitter also?

[GreenCastle]

There won’t be any legal case. They will consult lawyers and realise they have a very tiny chance of winning. At which point they will bottle it and release a statement that they are holding back for the good of the game.


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Yup.

If they had a good legal case it would have been submitted by now - why wait ???? Exact words from a Jambo lawyer.

They aren’t getting this vote for reconstruction through.

They won’t win any case / even submit one.

They are relegated and will be in the Championship next season !!

[The 90+2]

The longer this goes on and the more ridiculous it gets, the more I am losing interest in Scottish football.

There are other things out there to fill a Saturday afternoon with.

Any suggestions? 😁

[007]

There won’t be any legal case. They will consult lawyers and realise they have a very tiny chance of winning. At which point they will bottle it and release a statement that they are holding back for the good of the game.


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Exactly. Here's the reason why the benefactor has crawled out of the woodwork all of a sudden, putting more money into Hearts.

It is clear the blatant attempts to pressurise clubs to vote for reconstruction by threatening court action will fail. Hearts know that actually going ahead with court action will be a disaster because they don't have a case. Budge will therefore try and save face by acting all magnanimous saying that for the good of Scottish football they have decided not to proceed with the legal action. This will not please the Hearts fans who were expecting to win up to £20m and will therefore go ape****, which is why the benefactor has popped up now with his chequebook to pre-empt this and to appease the fans.

[Andy74]

That shameless drivel from Deans should accelerate Hibs into voting against the reconstruction proposal without the need to hear anymore information about her madcap plan on Monday. If it was me I wouldn’t even bother joining the meeting - “Just stick us down as a “No” guys”

Correct.

[mjhibby]

If they are so minted and will survive while others will die surely they will come up stronger than most of the spl and immediately target Europe with their highly paid squad. The highly paid squad that dwarfs most of the spl yet won four league games all season. They are where they are through horrendous financial mismanagement and it’s utterly farcical that while the Scottish game its on its knees clubs are wasting week upon weeks on what everybody knows is a blatant attempt for them to avoid a fully merited relegation
It shows just how rudderless Scottish football is that the two worst run clubs in Scotland have sidetracked the game for weeks during its biggest crisis ever when we should be focussing on when and how we can realistically be back playing and working from there.
The clubs needing to be working with the govt to work out what will ensure we still have the leagues in 18 months time. If we had proper leadership ship this nonsense would have been binned weeks ago and sevco and hertz to go and play with the traffic. Ron Gordon I bet is staggered by the utter incompetence of a lot of Scottish clubs.

[007]

Name 1 better thing to do on a Saturday afternoon than going to Easter Road to watch Hibs play.

“I’ll wait”, as the patter goes.

Going to Hampden to watch Hibs play?

[matty_f]

lollllll

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/leslie-deans-hibs-would-show-foresight-and-leadership-if-they-back-ann-budges-reconstruction-plan-2866391

What a ****.

[Aldo]

If they are so minted and will survive while others will die surely they will come up stronger than most of the spl and immediately target Europe with their highly paid squad. The highly paid squad that dwarfs most of the spl yet won four league games all season. They are where they are through horrendous financial mismanagement and it’s utterly farcical that while the Scottish game its on its knees clubs are wasting week upon weeks on what everybody knows is a blatant attempt for them to avoid a fully merited relegation
It shows just how rudderless Scottish football is that the two worst run clubs in Scotland have sidetracked the game for weeks during its biggest crisis ever when we should be focussing on when and how we can realistically be back playing and working from there.
The clubs needing to be working with the govt to work out what will ensure we still have the leagues in 18 months time. If we had proper leadership ship this nonsense would have been binned weeks ago and sevco and hertz to go and play with the traffic. Ron Gordon I bet is staggered by the utter incompetence of a lot of Scottish clubs.

Hearts are stalling and for one reason only.... they hope an SPL team goes bust and they can take their place. It would surprise me if they are rooked and they are bluffing ‘our finances are superb’ after stating they had a £3 million shortfall!


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[Clarence]

This arrogance and inability to accept their fate will lead to their “Sunderlandisation”. There is nothing about the management of this club which would suggest to me that they will deal with their new predicament well.

[weecounty hibby]

Hearts are stalling and for one reason only.... they hope an SPL team goes bust and they can take their place. It would surprise me if they are rooked and they are bluffing ‘our finances are superb’ after stating they had a £3 million shortfall!


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But why should it be them. Surely as they have been relegated it should be the next championship club to come up. Same with all this pish about ICT coming up and hearts being unrelegated. Why would it not be Dundee coming up as hearts have been ****ing RELEGATED. Get them down, they really are becomying a total embarrassment to Scottish football. Even more so than before

[Ozyhibby]

Hearts are stalling and for one reason only.... they hope an SPL team goes bust and they can take their place. It would surprise me if they are rooked and they are bluffing ‘our finances are superb’ after stating they had a £3 million shortfall!


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I don’t think they are stalling at all. There just wasn’t a good plan out there that could get the votes. Eventually they have cobbled this together and presented it but they know it’s no different to what was rejected a couple of weeks back. They are just desperate to the point of begging now.
This has already failed and they know it but don’t want to admit it because then they have to face their own fans and tell them there will be no legal action.


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[Ozyhibby]

I don’t think they are stalling at all. There just wasn’t a good plan out there that could get the votes. Eventually they have cobbled this together and presented it but they know it’s no different to what was rejected a couple of weeks back. They are just desperate to the point of begging now.
This has already failed and they know it but don’t want to admit it because then they have to face their own fans and tell them there will be no legal action.


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I started by saying they are not stalling and finished by saying they were. [emoji23]
I think I know what I meant though.


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[Aldo]

I started by saying they are not stalling and finished by saying they were. [emoji23]
I think I know what I meant though.


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[emoji85]
I think I get it. They are desperate and will do snd say anything to get an aye vote.


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[Aldo]

But why should it be them. Surely as they have been relegated it should be the next championship club to come up. Same with all this pish about ICT coming up and hearts being unrelegated. Why would it not be Dundee coming up as hearts have been ****ing RELEGATED. Get them down, they really are becomying a total embarrassment to Scottish football. Even more so than before

Because they think they deserve it and just because!!!

I know but it’s what they think will happen. They are fed so much pish about being this big big club and they beLIEve their own hype.

I wouldn’t give it to them that’s for sure!


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[CapitalGreen]

I don’t think they are stalling at all. There just wasn’t a good plan out there that could get the votes. Eventually they have cobbled this together and presented it but they know it’s no different to what was rejected a couple of weeks back. They are just desperate to the point of begging now.
This has already failed and they know it but don’t want to admit it because then they have to face their own fans and tell them there will be no legal action.


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I disagree with your 2nd sentence. I think 12-12-10-10 would pass with flying colours but of course Hearts won’t put that forward as they are only doing this out of self-interest. I don’t know why Partick, Stranraer and another team don’t try putting it forward.

If 12-12-10-10 was put to a vote, would Hearts vote for it? Surely they’d have to or it would prove this was about self-interest.

[Irish_Steve]

We could be here a while yet according to SaughtonJambo who is most definitely, ITK!!

Our proposals have a back up plan. Which in turn has a back up plan B. And if that fails we have a plan C. I firmly believe plan A will go through next week.

Munters

[Kato]

We could be here a while yet according to SaughtonJambo who is most definitely, ITK!!

Our proposals have a back up plan. Which in turn has a back up plan B. And if that fails we have a plan C. I firmly believe plan A will go through next week.

MuntersThey've frenzied themselves into a state of crazy, or crazied themselves into a state of frenzy, one of them.

Roasters to end all roasters.

In the grand scheme of things only Jambos think Hearts are big or massive and no one actually cares about the tantrums.

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[proud_and_green]

There won’t be any legal case. They will consult lawyers and realise they have a very tiny chance of winning. At which point they will bottle it and release a statement that they are holding back for the good of the game.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMy point is about the contradiction of their supposed intent of reconstruction being about the good of the game as opposed to the talk of a lawsuit clearly being about the good of hearts - regardless of whether they actually raise an action.

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[JimBHibees]

Deans is an absolute weirdo. They have no legal case imo. What evidence does he have re Hibs fans and them avoiding liquidation? They are where they are as they are a basket case of a club and don't deserve a life belt thrown to them. Totally shameless. Did Aidan Smith really say Hearts are his second team, surely not as that would be unimaginable imo.

[Pete]

Did Aidan Smith really say Hearts are his second team, surely not as that would be unimaginable imo.

I don't think it's as uncommon as you believe as some people think primarily in terms of geography when it comes to liking teams.

IIRC I think Stan Collymore is famous for thinking like that. For him, it's success for Villa first, then after that he wants to see teams from the West Midlands do well, then after that it's English teams (in a European context I assume).

I'm not sure anyone can accuse him of not being a 'proper' football man/supporter.

[Pete]

We could be here a while yet according to SaughtonJambo who is most definitely, ITK!!

Our proposals have a back up plan. Which in turn has a back up plan B. And if that fails we have a plan C. I firmly believe plan A will go through next week.

Munters

Guys...it's not happening.

Just take it with a bit of dignity please.

[bingo70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.

[04Sauzee]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.

Hearts down inverness and dundee up sorted

[Baader]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.

Budge knows all about self destruction. Why is anyone even listening to her? In terms of running a football club she is a disaster area.

[jeffers]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.

Not sure I understand it, but still don’t see why it means hearts should get promoted if issues are going to impact the lower league clubs.

[007]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.

14-14-14 doesn't solve the issue for clubs who are not able to fulfil fixtures and this is exactly why it should be voted against. As many have said, there's no point in going through the process of reconstruction to 14-14-14 now when it will probably to be redone as something else a few weeks later.

When we have a date for restarting and know what clubs can play, then figure it out.

[Mon Dieu4]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.

1) it's Keith Jackson the man who said every rangers player and member of staff was assaulted
2) "one source" so it's not an economist or someone who knows about these things or they would have been named, that says to me it's probably Budge
3) it mentions Doncaster will have to have some kinda of reconstruction to be hashed out before the start of the season, no he doesn't, we don't need to do anything, we have a perfectly acceptable league format as it is

Scaremongering for an agenda in my opinion

[Waxy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.

The establishment club gets as much help as it wants from the media.
People in high places pulling strings like Lithuania.
Doncaster shouldn’t have opinions like this.’There’s certainly nothing wrong with the premier having 12.Something isnt right here. It’s probably just who wrote the article adding his own dramatic twists.

[Waxy]

Scottish football kinda sucks.

[brog]

Exactly. Here's the reason why the benefactor has crawled out of the woodwork all of a sudden, putting more money into Hearts.

It is clear the blatant attempts to pressurise clubs to vote for reconstruction by threatening court action will fail. Hearts know that actually going ahead with court action will be a disaster because they don't have a case. Budge will therefore try and save face by acting all magnanimous saying that for the good of Scottish football they have decided not to proceed with the legal action. This will not please the Hearts fans who were expecting to win up to £20m and will therefore go ape****, which is why the benefactor has popped up now with his chequebook to pre-empt this and to appease the fans.


When did it happen about the benefactor?, I missed that.

[Since452]

The arrogance from Hearts FC, their supporters and associates like Deans and Foulkes has been nothing short of cringeworthy. In fact I'm now at the stage where I'm getting cheesed off with it. Who do they think they are?

[jacomo]

Yup.

If they had a good legal case it would have been submitted by now - why wait ???? Exact words from a Jambo lawyer.

They aren’t getting this vote for reconstruction through.

They won’t win any case / even submit one.

They are relegated and will be in the Championship next season !!


‘Do what I ask, or I’ll see you in court’. That gets attention.

‘Do what I ask or I’ll seek legal advice and mouth off a lot.’ That gets ignored.

[007]

When did it happen about the benefactor?, I missed that.

Not surprised you missed it, it was in amongst the long winded waffle of a proposal that the benefactors are supporting them for a further 5 years.

"Foundation of Hearts, has amazingly had over 800 additional/increased pledges. Our benefactors too, continue to stand behind the Club. They have committed to continue to support us, not just throughout this current crisis, but for the next 5 years. Strong clubs are essential for a strong League and a strong Hearts has a big part to play in this."

[SQHib]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.

So some clubs warning they cant fulfill the season and 36 games - so why look at a propsal that increases it to 40 games for 16 of them ?

Seems mad !

[Waxy]

Haven’t bought a daily record since they went full out daily rangers back when. See they haven’t changed with agendas and lies.

[Onion]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.

More bluster from the Flat Earth, Armageddon Brigade. Ignore these doom merchants. Football in Scotland will be just fine without the rantings of Mrs Budge, the Daily Ranger and Hearts. Expect much more from the attention-seeking media while the SPFL procrastinates. We saw exactly the same thing when Sevco were bleating about their "expulsion" to the 4th tier. We all know how that turned out.

Yams are not needed, not wanted and will not be missed. They have no case and are utterly Obsessed with Hibs and the thought of them not being close to us fills them with dread.

[jacomo]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900

Not sure I like the tone of that article.


Keith Jackson’s source is Budge, and this is her trying to use this crisis to her advantage. As we have seen through out.

This is a decision for the grown ups and Hearts, Sevco and some others have behaved like spoilt brats. What she needed to do was propose a plan that benefits the other clubs, and she’s not done that.

[offshorehibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900


I don't understand why clubs wouldn't be able to fulfil their fixtures in a 12-10-10-10 set up but a 14-14-14 they would.

[Waxy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900


I don't understand why clubs wouldn't be able to fulfil their fixtures in a 12-10-10-10 set up but a 14-14-14 they would.
Thats because its an article from the daily liars.

[Hibeesmad]

Several Scottish Premiership clubs have started to source Covid-19 testing machines at a cost of £36,000 each.

According to The Sun.

[Ozyhibby]

I think crowds will be at games in August or very shortly afterwards. They will be lower and socially distanced but there will be people in at games. And we’ll all be wearing masks.


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[tamig]

I think crowds will be at games in August or very shortly afterwards. They will be lower and socially distanced but there will be people in at games. And we’ll all be wearing masks.


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What makes you think that?

[ballengeich]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900


I don't understand why clubs wouldn't be able to fulfil their fixtures in a 12-10-10-10 set up but a 14-14-14 they would.

Nor do I. While football has to take place behind closed doors only leagues with an adequate tv package can play professional football. In Scotland that's only the premier division and even that's doubtful.

Below that it is actually possible to have a full set of fixtures bcd. Every club in the lower divisions could find eleven fans who'd be prepared to register as players on amateur terms, turn up for scheduled fixtures and stroll around the park for 90 minutes.

[The 90+2]

The establishment club gets as much help as it wants from the media.
People in high places pulling strings like Lithuania.
Doncaster shouldn’t have opinions like this.’There’s certainly nothing wrong with the premier having 12.Something isnt right here. It’s probably just who wrote the article adding his own dramatic twists.

Jackson is pro Celtic these days. Celtic must be pushing somehow for reconstruction.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900


I don't understand why clubs wouldn't be able to fulfil their fixtures in a 12-10-10-10 set up but a 14-14-14 they would.

It’s bollocks. If the lower leagues need less fixtures they can just play each other twice. Leave the top division as is. Job done.

[Ozyhibby]

What makes you think that?

Because in the next 12 weeks I think the disease will be successfully contained within all the parameters set out by the SG and we will be moving towards phase 4 of coming out of lockdown. With proper measures of social distancing, face masks etc then the risk can be suitably minimised. People’s behaviour has already been changed by this and crowd management will be easier because of it.
The govt will have test and protect up and running containing outbreaks as quick as possible.


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[FilipinoHibs]

Scottish football kinda sucks.

No Hearts suck and have pi**ed everybody off.