NO to reconstruction

[Mon Dieu4]

The rules in place, that they also voted for, show they don’t have a case to take to court!
Why would the SPFL fear this?

If that's the case and it's still pretty up in the air if it is or not then maybe the board of the SPFL don't want to look like the bad guys and can got back to the Yams and say well we put it to the club's and they said no so we've done all we can

Who knows, all I know is this has went on far too long but I'm still 85% certain that they won't get the required numbers

[Joe6-2]

But maybe there’s nothing to tell the fans right now?

If it goes to an official vote maybe hibs will then release a statement advising what way they voted like they did when they voted to end the season early

So have we no right to know how the meeting went today? If there is nothing to tell then this should be over

[brog]

The fact the spfl want a 14 team league and the deafening silence from our club.

By that logic reconstruction will be voted through by 42-0 because there has been deafening silence from every club! Far more likely that after all the previous conspiracy theories, leaks & cabals, that the SPFL have specifically requested silence from every club until there's something to announce.

[Stuart93]

So have we no right to know how the meeting went today? If there is nothing to tell then this should be over

I haven’t seen any club release a statement about how today’s meeting went, have you?

For all we know they’ve been told not to release a statement about what’s been discussed?

No-one knows.

People take the piss out of the rangers about releasing statement after statement yet want our board to do exactly the same. They’ll release a statement when they feel like there’s something we need to know

[hibbyfraelibby]

Great. The SPFL want 14-10-10-10 'back on the table' according to Kheredine

https://twitter.com/Kheredine2018/status/1270797043372605443?s=19

Sorry but who is this ""SPFL" they talk about. The SPFL is 42 clubs and only 3 of them actually want it.

[H18 SFR]

Sorry but who is thia ""SPFL" they talk about. The SPFL is 42 clubs and only 3 of them actually want it.

I presume he means the SPFL board.

[Joe6-2]

I haven’t seen any club release a statement about how today’s went, have you?

For all we know they’ve been told not to release a statement about what’s been discussed?

No-one knows.

My point tho, why wouldn’t it be made public? Aren’t the fans the most important people in football?

[bingo70]

But maybe there’s nothing to tell the fans right now?

If it goes to an official vote maybe hibs will then release a statement advising what way they voted like they did when they voted to end the season early

There is always things to communicate with the fans.

Not even to tell us what the way are voting, just a good open and honest conversation about our thoughts and concerns on league reconstruction.

When was the last time we heard from Gordon or Dempster? Shortly before or around the time the season tickets went on sale?

Funny they had stuff to speak to us about then and were happy to give us updates on what was going on at that time.

[Waxy]

How fun to be a Scottish football fan when the league reverts back to 12.Hearts in the top 6 and three other clubs at least having to go down through no fault of their own.
Five unfair promotions ICT, Falkirk, Edinburgh city Kelty Brora.Up though none were ever in an Automatic promotion place.

Just cant happen.

[SMAXXA]

Despite my tantrum tonight, it’s not actually about Hearts staying up, although that’s added fuel to the fire 😊

A 14 team premier league that splits half way through the season is utter pish and it’s not what the fans want. Why are the fans of all clubs, apart from hearts, being ignored here?

We are already getting poor value for our season tickets next season, to vote to make them even worse without any sort of communication to us to explain the thought process is taking the piss.

I realise it’s not been confirmed that’s what’s happening yet so I am opening myself up to being mocked for pissing my pants prematurely but I still think the club could be speaking to us better than they have been over the last couple of weeks (funnily enough since season tickets made such an encouraging start)

Again that’s exactly where I’m coming from to make such a decision Hibs need to consult Hibs fans on the change to the product. Failure to do this is a massive failure for those in charge imo. As has been said they may be aware of the fans views and are voting NO but we will need clarity on this at some point and if they did vote NO and it still went through 11-1 then Hibs fans would again back the club no harm done (wider bribe allegations aside would still have uncertainty and angst amongst all fans).

I also feel they are possible using the fact that there is this restriction of trade argument with with championship games reducing. They may use this as another factor in why clubs changed their votes as things became more apparent since the original unofficial vote which seems about 5 year ago now 🤦🏻*♂️

[Stuart93]

My point tho, why wouldn’t it be made public? Aren’t the fans the most important people in football?

I’ve no idea that’s probably not even the case but not one club involved in that meeting has released a statement so far. No one knows what’s going on apart from tit bits from reporters on twitter.

It’s absolutely mental that some believe hibs are in favour of it purely because they’ve not released a statement

[bingo70]

By that logic reconstruction will be voted through by 42-0 because there has been deafening silence from every club! Far more likely that after all the previous conspiracy theories, leaks & cabals, that the SPFL have specifically requested silence from every club until there's something to announce.

Aberdeen, Ross county and a number of lower league clubs have updated their fans. It surprises me more haven’t as well to be honest, I think it’s wrong.

As said in another post, it’s possible to have an open and honest interview explaining what the clubs is thinking without releasing a Rangers like statement.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The fact the spfl want a 14 team league and the deafening silence from our club.

Throttle back the rockets. The SPFL is not the 12 Premiership teams its all 42 teams. Three of them are desperate for 14/10/10/10. The rest are meh.

The SPFL do not want that set up but a few outliers do.

[007]

I haven’t seen any club release a statement about how today’s meeting went, have you?

For all we know they’ve been told not to release a statement about what’s been discussed?

No-one knows.

People take the piss out of the rangers about releasing statement after statement yet want our board to do exactly the same. They’ll release a statement when they feel like there’s something we need to know

It was just the SPFL Board having a meeting today so the clubs might not know much more than us.

[Stuart93]

It was just the SPFL Board having a meeting today so the clubs might not know much more than us.

It doesn’t matter really. I’m sure clubs have been informed of what happened at that meeting.

As said hibs will release a statement when they feel there’s something to tell not because fans are moaning

[bingo70]

I’ve no idea that’s probably not even the case but not one club involved in that meeting has released a statement so far. No one knows what’s going on apart from tit bits from reporters on twitter.

It’s absolutely mental that some believe hibs are in favour of it purely because they’ve not released a statement

Just to confirm again, I don’t want a statement from Hibs.

I’d like an update from someone senior at the club to give us an update as to what the clubs thoughts and concerns are about reconstruction. Id also like to hear what’s going on at the club in terms of us preparing for the return to football.

If it’s inevitable, do we favour temporary or permanent, 2 years or 5 years, dead against it?

[Joe6-2]

I’ve no idea that’s probably not even the case but not one club involved in that meeting has released a statement so far. No one knows what’s going on apart from tit bits from reporters on twitter.

It’s absolutely mental that some believe hibs are in favour of it purely because they’ve not released a statement

I don’t think that, but couldn’t a group statement be released? Shouldn’t fans be informed what the hells going on, this has dragged on long enough

[bingo70]

Throttle back the rockets. The SPFL is not the 12 Premiership teams its all 42 teams. Three of them are desperate for 14/10/10/10. The rest are meh.

The SPFL do not want that set up but a few outliers do.

What is our club thinking?

[Big_Franck]

It's time our club spoke out on this. Ross County and Aberdeen have recently. Why haven't we heard from Hibs on this? We've kept our counsel long enough, our fans deserve to know what our position is.

It would be so Hibs to shoot ourselves in the foot and alienate thousands of our own fans by bending over and taking this.

[MacGruber]

But maybe there’s nothing to tell the fans right now?

If it goes to an official vote maybe hibs will then release a statement advising what way they voted like they did when they voted to end the season early

You might be right. They will have to aswell if reconstruction comes to pass. Like it or not there is going to be a backlash from a large element of the Hibs support. It doen't matter that some are minded that they don't care, that some say folk are more interested in Hearts failing than Hibs succeeding or that there are bigger things to worry about (which clearly there are). A large number of fans will be outraged - Hibs would be best advised to quell that as far as possible with communicating about the clubs part in it and reasons for (whether they voted for or against).

[Sammy7nil]

Nothing has changed, everyone will have to vote on it, can't see why the club's that previously said no weeks ago would have change their minds now, still can't see enough people voting for it

This can't keep going on and on though, asking to change a league format without consulting the fans is shocking behaviour even in the current climate


Surely if enough clubs are against it, they would have let they’re feelings known today?
Why , then, the need for another vote?
I don’t like this one bit

A lot has changed there has been no statement from an club in days. If every club had the same thoughts as last week this is dead yet the SPFL think it is worthwhile bringing this back for a vote. You can bet they are not doing it to waste time if at least six Premiership clubs are still opposed it.

[Mon Dieu4]

Also depends on who the two extra teams in a 14-10-10-10 would be, is it the Old Firm colt teams or someone promoted from the pyramid, the answers to those questions could change all kind of voting intentions

[04Sauzee]

Also depends on who the two extra teams in a 14-10-10-10 would be, is it the Old Firm colt teams or someone promoted from the pyramid, the answers to those questions could change all kind of voting intentions

I'd have thought it's Brora and Kelty?

[Mon Dieu4]

I'd have thought it's Brora and Kelty?

If that's the case then the Huns would be raging and could easily vote no out of spite

[greenpaper55]

On Kickback they are foaming at the mouth at the thought that we will relegate them so they know zilch as well.

[Joe6-2]

If that's the case then the Huns would be raging and could easily vote no out of spite

😂

[Heisenberg]

Indicative votes in by Monday. Permanent change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52999362

I don’t think Jambo Brian is correct about the 17/22 Prem and Champ clubs having to vote for it in order for it to pass. It’s definitely 11-1 in the Premiership if the number of clubs in the league change, which they will.

[jacomo]

Sounds like SPFL clubs want this ridiculous 14 team premier league.

Wonder if there’s any chance of the club speaking to us to tell us why. Happy enough to communicate with us when asking for our money., why the radio silence now?


Have they forgotten that the main priority here is a league format that makes sense and helps to create an exciting spectacle?

12 team top league is very silly in many ways but delivers the 4 OF games the broadcasters and sponsors apparently want, delivers 38 games for every club, is well established and understood.

14 is an awful compromise. We will save Hearts but wreck the league. Why?

[oneone73]

Indicative votes in by Monday. Permanent change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52999362

Not going to happen.

[ElginHibbie]

Indicative votes in by Monday. Permanent change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52999362

Aberdeen have said they won't vote for it and Hibs can't vote for it, and I can't see either us or them changing our stance now

[Joe6-2]

Indicative votes in by Monday. Permanent change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52999362

If the two plans put forward have failed, why the f*** is there another proposal put forward? Who is putting it forward and why?

[ac1]

This is beyond a ******g joke!

They are going to be saved one way or another

Genuinely sickened by Scottish football

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Farce

[SouthMoroccoStu]

indicative votes in by monday. Permanent change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52999362

i don’t think jambo brian is correct about the 17/22 prem and champ clubs having to vote for it in order for it to pass. It’s definitely 11-1 in the premiership if the number of clubs in the league change, which they will.

how much longer can they stretch this out!?!?

[we are hibs]

Is that a 9-3 vote in the premiership?

[Andy74]

Who is now leading this?

We've gone from the SPFL just wanting to get on with the new season and the clubs saying the same thing - to both Hearts and Rangers proposals getting no support and yet we now have a new proposal coming from the SPFL??

[H18 SFR]

Not going to happen.

I disagree with you mate. If it wasn’t going to happen it wouldn’t have ran this long, it certainly wouldn’t be going to an unofficial vote on Monday.

[660]

St Mirren and Hibs unite to relegate the cretins from across the city.

[Heisenberg]

Is that a 9-3 vote in the premiership?

He’s wrong. I’m certain of it.

[MacGruber]

What a ****ing joke

[Mon Dieu4]

Is that a 9-3 vote in the premiership?

Would imagine its 11-1 still as no matter what they come out with adding 2 extra teams to the league will change the prize money unless im totally off the mark

[Stuart93]

Is that a 9-3 vote in the premiership?

Don’t see how it can be. There’d have to be a change in prize money if it’s a 14 team league & that requires an 11-1 vote

[Joe6-2]

Stinks, stinks, stinks

[Real Emerald]

A permanent 14 team league with a split would devastate season ticket sales.

[cabbageandribs1875]

not read any statements from the gorgie grunts for a while, has the baldy briber told dr fudge to keep her trap shut :confused:

[Heisenberg]

Don’t see how it can be. There’d have to be a change in prize money if it’s a 14 team league & that requires an 11-1 vote

There’s that, but also the fact that two new clubs would be added to the SPFL structure = definite 11-1 required.

[Robbo6-2]

Lets not get our nickers in a twist until the club actually say anything.

[ionahibby]

This is beyond a ******g joke!

They are going to be saved one way or another

Genuinely sickened by Scottish football

To be honest I’m done with Scottish football after all this. They wonder why kids support an English side. We’re a laughing stock. I’m afraid my money will be staying at home instead of a season ticket if this goes through.

[Joe6-2]

To be honest I’m done with Scottish football after all this. They wonder why kids support an English side. We’re a laughing stock. I’m afraid my money will be staying at home instead of a season ticket if this goes through.

I’d hate to turn my back on Hibs, but this is just a step too far, joke, farce, shambles, an embarrassment

[Lee Marvin]

To be honest I’m done with Scottish football after all this. They wonder why kids support an English side. We’re a laughing stock. I’m afraid my money will be staying at home instead of a season ticket if this goes through.

If this passes, I'm done with football for the foreseeable future regardless of how Hibs vote.

14 permanent is literally the worst format you can get. This, added to the corruption and bribery at play, will ensure my emotional energy is invested elsewhere

[ElginHibbie]

It needs 32 teams to agree to it to get it past this stage, the League 2 teams will only vote for 14-14-14, it's not happening and this further attempt is probably just some sort of 'thank you' to Anderson

[Waxy]

Another wekend of bbc radio heartssound with special guests A Budge and new pal N Doncaster along side English McCann and Stewart.All debating how the universe will explode if hearts dont get to stay up because no one should suffer because of covid19 except Hibs.

How they managed to drag this through eight or nine weekends is flabbergasting.
My flabber is gasted. I need put down.

[bingo70]

Lets not get our nickers in a twist until the club actually say anything.

How long do we have to wait for that? Reconstruction has been getting discussed for weeks now.

[Joe6-2]

If this passes, I'm done with football for the foreseeable future regardless of how Hibs vote.

14 permanent is literally the worst format you can get. This, added to the corruption and bribery at play, will ensure my emotional energy is invested elsewhere

It’s all the underhandedness that’s pis sing me off, and all, every bit of it for Herts

[ac1]

What is the actual situation with asking to stop the season ticket if this comes to pass (which it will)?

I am on the payment plan

Can't be arsed with Scottish football after this

[Waxy]

If this passes, I'm done with football for the foreseeable future regardless of how Hibs vote.

14 permanent is literally the worst format you can get. This, added to the corruption and bribery at play, will ensure my emotional energy is invested elsewhereThis.Its not Hibs, its the uneven playing field.Whats the point in putting myself through this if its corrupt.

[007]

If that's the case then the Huns would be raging and could easily vote no out of spite

Plus you'd think they'd be desperate for it to go to court in the hope of the outcome being having to null & void the season.

[H18 SFR]

I’d hate to turn my back on Hibs, but this is just a step too far, joke, farce, shambles, an embarrassment

You will not be alone. I will convert being a ST to walk up.

[green day]

It needs 32 clubs for it.

It needs 11 of the current Premiership for it

It needs 8 of the current Championship for it

I simply do not see where those positive votes come from. I am as annoyed as anyone at this dragging on, but I cant see a permanent 14 team top league passing the indicative vote, never mind the real one.

[mim]

It needs 32 teams to agree to it to get it past this stage, the League 2 teams will only vote for 14-14-14, it's not happening and this further attempt is probably just some sort of 'thank you' to Anderson

Why is it 32?
9, 8, 15??

Surely it's 11,8,15

[oneone73]

It needs 32 clubs for it.

It needs 11 of the current Premiership for it

It needs 8 of the current Championship for it

I simply do not see where those positive votes come from. I am as annoyed as anyone at this dragging on, but I cant see a permanent 14 team top league passing the indicative vote, never mind the real one.

Agree with this.

[Onion]

Indicative votes in by Monday. Permanent change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52999362

I don’t think Jambo Brian is correct about the 17/22 Prem and Champ clubs having to vote for it in order for it to pass. It’s definitely 11-1 in the Premiership if the number of clubs in the league change, which they will.

OFFS ! The lower league clubs must have told Budge and Sevco to GTF, so SPFL Board have cut them loose and focusing solely on the Prem and Hearts. Was this not the 14-10-10-10 that was rejected before ? Permanent 14 team top league is horrible mess. Why are they even considering this ?? Enough already.

[nonshinyfinish]

There’s that, but also the fact that two new clubs would be added to the SPFL structure = definite 11-1 required.

I assume the numbers in the BBC article are for the 'indicative' vote – to see if the real vote has any chance of passing:

"If there is enough consensus then a formal vote would have to take place at an extraordinary general meeting."

The formal vote would have to be 11–1 based on the SPFL rules.

[Brightside]

Calm down. Everything will be ok.

[Mikey]

If this passes, I'm done with football for the foreseeable future regardless of how Hibs vote.

14 permanent is literally the worst format you can get. This, added to the corruption and bribery at play, will ensure my emotional energy is invested elsewhere

Me too. That goes for the national team too.

A permanent 14 team league would be ludicrous.

[Andy74]

And we are still meant to think the investment and the SPFL board suddenly trying to broker reconstruction aren’t linked??

[Joe6-2]

Calm down. Everything will be ok.

Promise?

[ElginHibbie]

Why is it 32?
9, 8, 15??

Surely it's 11,8,15

"32 from all divisions combined" is what it says on the BBC article so going with that, as it doesn't seem to be a vote at this stage guessing it isn't 11-1 in the Prem just yet

But the BBC might have got this wrong as they have previously and if it is 11-1 it's got even less chance of happening

[Real Emerald]

It needs 32 clubs for it.

It needs 11 of the current Premiership for it

It needs 8 of the current Championship for it

I simply do not see where those positive votes come from. I am as annoyed as anyone at this dragging on, but I cant see a permanent 14 team top league passing the indicative vote, never mind the real one.

So why after all the discussions have they not understood that no vote will pass. They can’t just keep these new suggestions coming out every 4 days. It’s a total farce and is turning fans off in their droves.

[Joe6-2]

And we are still meant to think the investment and the SPFL board suddenly trying to broker reconstruction aren’t linked??

This just makes the stink stronger

[The Harp]

I'd let the club keep my season ticket money if they've voted no and reconstruction still goes ahead. But this farce has robbed me of my appetite for Scottish football.
Unbelievable incompetence by those in authority.

[Aldoo]

Who is now leading this?

We've gone from the SPFL just wanting to get on with the new season and the clubs saying the same thing - to both Hearts and Rangers proposals getting no support and yet we now have a new proposal coming from the SPFL??

The key word in this is ‘permanent.’ I think the feedback from the clubs who indicated No must have said they are totally against a temporary reconstruction. Now that they have said this would be a permanent change the fear of relegating potentially 4 teams in 2/5 years is gone and this is maybe cleared the path for teams to now vote Yes.

Will clubs care enough about the fans views that splitting away at February and potential rendering us with 3 months of irrelevant games is a big enough concern for them when weighing that against what they may see as doing the right thing by Hearts whilst being ensured that they have not subjected their club to a precarious relegation position under a temp restructure.

[Brightside]

This just makes the stink stronger

Nothing has changed. SPFL are just proving they have looked at all options and none of them passed. Therefore almost impossible for any member club to take them to court.

[bingo70]

Calm down. Everything will be ok.

I think my annoyance has moved from the league reconstruction to how little Hibs are talking to us just now.

I’m not naive, we need to be careful, if we came out saying Hearts must stay down because they are a bunch of dicks it would look very petty and would be a PR disaster.

We could easily be out saying our concerns about a 14 team league without mentioning Hearts, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to object to it without mentioning Hearts.

The silence from the club recently is adding to the fears of the supporters just now imo.

[Aldoo]

So why after all the discussions have they not understood that no vote will pass. They can’t just keep these new suggestions coming out every 4 days. It’s a total farce and is turning fans off in their droves.

Does anyone if the feeling on this is just as strongly held by fans of other clubs. Is it just us that’s threatening to walk away from the game if this goes through??

[Heisenberg]

I assume the numbers in the BBC article are for the 'indicative' vote – to see if the real vote has any chance of passing:

"If there is enough consensus then a formal vote would have to take place at an extraordinary general meeting."

The formal vote would have to be 11–1 based on the SPFL rules.

Ah right. That would make sense.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5688670/rangers-fail-colts-reconstruction-doncaster/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1591821276 (tel:1591821276)

The Sun saying it’s this plan or nothing.

[Joe6-2]

Nothing has changed. SPFL are just proving they have looked at all options and none of them passed. Therefore almost impossible for any member club to take them to court.

But the clubs didn’t want any of the proposals, so why ‘invent’ one of their own? There was absolutely no need for this

[The Count]

So we are going to chance a league that is working to a less desirable model with the potential of meaningless games after the break to save Hearts !!! Well thank you Jambos for helping to destroy Scottish football so save your skins.Scunnered if this happens as irrespective of it being about Hearts i firmly believe that the 12 team Premier league works so why oh why destoy it.Time for a large malt to calm down.

[James Stephen]

And we are still meant to think the investment and the SPFL board suddenly trying to broker reconstruction aren’t linked??

It doesn't look good does it?!

[Brightside]

I think my annoyance has moved from the league reconstruction to how little Hibs are talking to us just now.

I’m not naive, we need to be careful, if we came out saying Hearts must stay down because they are a bunch of dicks it would look very petty and would be a PR disaster.

We could easily be out saying our concerns about a 14 team league without mentioning Hearts, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to object to it without mentioning Hearts.

The silence from the club recently is adding to the fears of the supporters just now.

But there is nothing for Hibs to talk about. We haven’t changed anything or been asked to vote on anything.

[Real Emerald]

Nothing has changed. SPFL are just proving they have looked at all options and none of them passed. Therefore almost impossible for any member club to take them to court.

So why not ask the two or three question at once and be done with it. “Would you be willing for reconstruction A, B or C?” Get the feedback in once and stop this nonsense. 😡

[bingo70]

But there is nothing for Hibs to talk about. We haven’t changed anything or been asked to vote on anything.

Do the club only speak to us when there is something to vote on now?

[Hibs90]

But there is nothing for Hibs to talk about. We haven’t changed anything or been asked to vote on anything.

Perhaps for once Hibs could be the leaders here.

[Andy74]

The key word in this is ‘permanent.’ I think the feedback from the clubs who indicated No must have said they are totally against a temporary reconstruction. Now that they have said this would be a permanent change the fear of relegating potentially 4 teams in 2/5 years is gone and this is maybe cleared the path for teams to now vote Yes.

Will clubs care enough about the fans views that splitting away at February and potential rendering us with 3 months of irrelevant games is a big enough concern for them when weighing that against what they may see as doing the right thing by Hearts whilst being ensured that they have not subjected their club to a precarious relegation position under a temp restructure.

Yes but previously this was a Hearts led proposal. Now we have the SPFL board trying its best to broker an agreement on it.

A few weeks ago they were focused on getting us just playing again next season.

It has aligned in timing with the ‘donation’.

[007]

Indicative votes in by Monday. Permanent change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52999362

I don’t think Jambo Brian is correct about the 17/22 Prem and Champ clubs having to vote for it in order for it to pass. It’s definitely 11-1 in the Premiership if the number of clubs in the league change, which they will.

Permanent change is a disaster.

Indicative vote, no doubt that'll mean more meetings afterwards if it doesn't get enough indicative votes.

[Brightside]

Do the club only speak to us when there is something to vote on now?

What are we expecting them to talk about. A load of chat on forums? There has been nothing specific since the last vote. If they are asked to vote on this I’m sure we will then get a statement.

[04Sauzee]

Mark Atkinson tweets

Reckon SPFL are starting to panic a bit over impact legal action by Hearts could have on (a) club finances and (b) season starting on planned August 1. French situation different in terms of how relegation decision was imposed, Belgian less so. They'll have resonated regardless

[Bobby's Cinema]

NO STRINGS ATTACHED. Pahahahaha

[greenpaper55]

I wonder who proposed this, was it Doncaster and this after the initial two proposals were thrown out ? Also how many teams are relegated from this 14 ? one ,two, three or four ? Mental.

[EI255]

Budge is now just making this up as she goes along. This is getting absolutely ridiculous. The whole thing is a joke.

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[EI255]

14 clubs in the top flight..... Less cash to go round...... NO CHANCE.

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[Brightside]

I’ve not seen a statement from Livi, Motherwell, Celtic, st J. In fact statements only come from the usual crowd.

[Hibs90]

I’ve not seen a statement from Livi, Motherwell, Celtic, st J. In fact statements only come from the usual crowd.

All of those teams have released statements

[Waxy]

Surely if it came to a court saying hearts relegation is void, then all the places are void and they would have to finish the season.
Didnt hearts vote to end the season themselves to get paid out? No court case then.
This has to be a bribe.Is it criminal?

[we are hibs]

I’ve not seen a statement from Livi, Motherwell, Celtic, st J. In fact statements only come from the usual crowd.

Youve not looked very far then

[EI255]

Nothing has changed. SPFL are just proving they have looked at all options and none of them passed. Therefore almost impossible for any member club to take them to court.The latest version for next week has absolutely zero chance.

But, will that be the last version?

Budge needs to get back to treating her sagging auld skin instead of playing with the big boys.

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[Brightside]

All of those teams have released statements

Since the last vote? Must have missed them all. I’ve not seen anything bar Rangers and Hearts.

[MrSmith]

So throw money at it to bribe your way out of relegation, the game is up an over in Scotland.

[Alfred E Newman]

I'd let the club keep my season ticket money if they've voted no and reconstruction still goes ahead. But this farce has robbed me of my appetite for Scottish football.
Unbelievable incompetence by those in authority.

Thats the way I’m feeling as well.
It was a wrench to start with but after almost 4 months I can’t honestly say that I’m missing it.
This fiasco hasn’t helped and combined with all the social distancing stuff , I really couldn’t care less when it returns.

[bingo70]

What are we expecting them to talk about. A load of chat on forums? There has been nothing specific since the last vote. If they are asked to vote on this I’m sure we will then get a statement.

Mentioned it earlier but I’d have expected the club to be speaking to the fans about a few things......

League reconstruction, our thoughts, Input and concerns.

The return to football, when are we back at training? How is it going to look when we’re back?

Summer transfer plans- clearly not anything in any detail but it’s nice to know what the plans ahead are.

The online virtual season ticket plans- what’s the thoughts on this and how might it look.

Imo the best time to speak to your ‘customers’ is when you’ve got nothing to say, it makes it a lot easier to deliver bad news when you do that.

[ElginHibbie]

With the French court basically saying "You can't relegate someone without looking at alternatives" could it not be the SPFL are just making sure they have covered everything they can before the Hearts legal challange?

[Joe6-2]

Mark Atkinson tweets

Reckon SPFL are starting to panic a bit over impact legal action by Hearts could have on (a) club finances and (b) season starting on planned August 1. French situation different in terms of how relegation decision was imposed, Belgian less so. They'll have resonated regardless

So we give into blackmail?

[Scotty Leither]

So if this half-@rsed proposal goes through, which is completely coincidental of course to that mob's cash-cow Anderson's beneficence, then Hibs would be the only club in the SPFL to have lost money?

An £80k net loss - £130k loss through dropping a league place when we were ahead of St Johnstone before the leagues were called, plus £50k from the "philanthropist's" money, or have I missed something?

That'll make us a laughing stock, and besides I've kind had my fill of BBC Jambo/Deans/Foulkes having sly digs at the club that always seems to go unanswered by anyone in authority at Easter Road.

Time to evacuate the moral high ground for once, and take consignance of the fans view, and that means the club does need to make a statement of how it intends to vote - something glib and oblique along the lines of: "Hibernian recogniize that reconstruction of the leagues is a topic for reasoned debate for the future but for now the club believes the immediate future of Scottish football is best served by the retention of the status quo of 12-10-10-10 to allow for clubs to plan immediately for next season and the issuing of fixtures." etc. etc. etc

The club risks alienating the fans if we continue with this wall of silence and (perceived) inaction when everybody else is having their tuppence worth in the name of "philanthropy" and saving them from along the road, and of course acting in the "best interests of Scottish football". (Copyright A Budge, EH11)

[Brightside]

Mentioned it earlier but I’d have expected the club to be speaking to the fans about a few things......

League reconstruction, our thoughts, Input and concerns.

The return to football, when are we back at training? How is it going to look when we’re back?

Summer transfer plans- clearly not anything in any detail but it’s nice to know what the plans ahead are.

The online virtual season ticket plans- what’s the thoughts on this and how might it look.

Imo the best time to speak to your ‘customers’ is when you’ve got nothing to say, it makes it a lot easier to deliver bad news when you do that.

We have bare minimum staff in at the moment. Should see more coming from the club after June 15th.

[Joe6-2]

With the French court basically saying "You can't relegate someone without looking at alternatives" could it not be the SPFL are just making sure they have covered everything they can before the Hearts legal challange?

Hope you are right

[greenpaper55]

I think they could swing this, from the statement on the BBC

All 42 clubs have been asked to inform the SPFL by 10:00 BST on Monday if they would support the change, which is expected to be permanent.
If there is enough consensus then a formal vote would have to take place at an extraordinary general meeting.
At that stage, 17 of the 22 clubs in the Premiership and Championship would need to vote in favour for the plans to pass, and 32 from all four divisions combined.

That's me done with football if this passes, nothing but bribery and Doncaster is the prime mover behind this !

[Onion]

I wonder who proposed this, was it Doncaster and this after the initial two proposals were thrown out ? Also how many teams are relegated from this 14 ? one ,two, three or four ? Mental.

It's permanent, so expect 1 down, 1 PO ... except if one involves Anne (I'll sue) Budge when the SPFL will fold like a cheap suit when a Hearts fan flashes a bit of cash at them.

If this procrastination, reconsideration, excessive discussion and re-examnation of previous decisions is all about the SPFL Board covering their ***** because they're not sure where they stand legally or they now feel morally obliged to try wangle a deal because they've felt Anderson's wad, then the whole lot of them should be replaced and Doncaster fired. They have had WEEKS to get this sorted but here we are going round the houses yet again. It is an absolute farce and sums Scottish football to a T. Jesus wept.

[ScottB]

Mark Atkinson tweets

Reckon SPFL are starting to panic a bit over impact legal action by Hearts could have on (a) club finances and (b) season starting on planned August 1. French situation different in terms of how relegation decision was imposed, Belgian less so. They'll have resonated regardless

If they aren’t panicking about relegating Partick and Stranraer, I can’t see why they’d panic about Hearts, who, presumably, will have now abandoned their belief that ‘no club must suffer’ in all this...

[pogo]

Just wondering if this is to be a temporary reconstruction to 14, with it reverting back to a 12 after 1/5 seasons, how will this knock on mass relegation effect the lower divisions? Will they also have to relegate 2 or 3 teams, and then what happens to the 2 new teams potentially added with this proposed reconstruction. If the temporary reconstruction is the proposal, then I can't see many voting for it.

[ElginHibbie]

I think they could swing this, from the statement on the BBC

All 42 clubs have been asked to inform the SPFL by 10:00 BST on Monday if they would support the change, which is expected to be permanent.
If there is enough consensus then a formal vote would have to take place at an extraordinary general meeting.
At that stage, 17 of the 22 clubs in the Premiership and Championship would need to vote in favour for the plans to pass, and 32 from all four divisions combined.

That's me done with football if this passes, nothing but bribery and Doncaster is the prime mover behind this !

League 2 clubs have said they will only vote for 14-14-14, so would need every other team to vote for it which isn't going to happen

[Col2]

And you just no that we are going to be the biggest losers of all the clubs in this ****fest.

Club income drops as fans feel seriously let down, we already took at £125k hit and now have to share more distribution money with Hearts and ICT. ICT ffs.

Other fans of clubs a bit peeved but the likes of Hamilton etc know they won’t have bigger chance of relegation as it’s perm and just get in with it.

We are left with resentful fans, less money, crap league model and our nearest rivals get massive boost.

Leeanne I hope you are watching this play out. You vote for this and I and many fans won’t be back, I will be done.

[green day]

Just wondering if this is to be a temporary reconstruction to 14, with it reverting back to a 12 after 1/5 seasons, how will this knock on mass relegation effect the lower divisions? Will they also have to relegate 2 or 3 teams, and then what happens to the 2 new teams potentially added with this proposed reconstruction. If the temporary reconstruction is the proposal, then I can't see many voting for it.

Its permanent

[Heisenberg]

The SPFL obviously want to avoid legal action and the possibility that the league doesn’t start at the beginning of August. They could well manage to convince clubs to vote for this on the basis that it’ll see us move on and get the leagues going without any further issue.

[Stuart93]

Absolutely hysteria on this thread man ffs.

[southern hibby]

I really don’t know if it will be voted for or against, my gut feeling is that it will go to a vote and fail.

When/if a court case comes along Doncaster’s job should be relatively safe as he can argue he did everything possible to give very avenue a chance to be voted in. His argument will be to each club you knew what was on the table and the possible outcomes.

We’ve had numerous chances to get Scottish football sorted out within the SPFL after clubs like Rangers, Gretna and Clydebank go to the wall. Airdrie too but the got ( if my memory serves me right ) Clydebank position.

Administration for Hearts, Dunfermline and Dundee ( twice ). To make matters worse our FA has no backbone to bring in FFP regulations. Yet these clubs get a few points deduction slap on the wrist and manage to do as they please over and over again.

if these clubs cannot be responsible for themselves then our FA should step in bring in rules
and hammer clubs that don’t conform to them. Why should clubs that live within their means suffer because other clubs spend more than they financially can afford? Alternatively the same could be said why clubs should suffer because certain clubs don’t conform to the rules set down within a constitution that they sign and agreed too, to join?

GGTTH

[grunt]

Indicative votes in by Monday. Permanent change.
So they want to implement a major structural change of the whole league system on a permanent basis with just three days warning and no discussion or consultation with the fans?

[greenpaper55]

So they want to implement a major structural change of the whole league system on a permanent basis with just three days warning and no discussion or consultation with the fans?

Exactly, what other league on the planet would do such a thing?

[Lee Marvin]

Make no mistake, if this goes through one team will be significantly disadvantaged in all of this and that is Hibs.

The ramifications for us are potentially massive. 8k tickets sold for a 12 team league. 150k lost through change in league position. Fans losing interest in football in huge quantities.

Hibs should be trying to convince all other Prem clubs against voting for this shambles like Hearts and Doncaster are currently doing. We can't stand back and let this happen without a fight, the stakes are too high

[Hibeesforever]

So they want to implement a major structural change of the whole league system on a permanent basis with just three days warning and no discussion or consultation with the fans?

That sums up what a nonsense the governance is in this country...this reconstruction was a joke from the beginning. I hope some sage Chairman vote it out as it deserves

[SHODAN]

As I've said before, I'm fine with permanent reconstruction if it's a 14 team top division with playoffs for Europe and expanded relegation playoffs - i.e. no meaningless games halfway through the season.

It'll be disappointing if Hearts aren't relegated, but a more exciting season for Hibs concerns me more than Hearts' fortunes.

[PH91]

I think they could swing this, from the statement on the BBC

All 42 clubs have been asked to inform the SPFL by 10:00 BST on Monday if they would support the change, which is expected to be permanent.
If there is enough consensus then a formal vote would have to take place at an extraordinary general meeting.
At that stage, 17 of the 22 clubs in the Premiership and Championship would need to vote in favour for the plans to pass, and 32 from all four divisions combined.

That's me done with football if this passes, nothing but bribery and Doncaster is the prime mover behind this !

"17 of 22" suggests only a a 9-3 vote in the prem is required.

A 14 team temp league i could have accepted but permanent would be terrible. Hibs definitely wont vote for this but the switch from temp to permanent now has me worried that the likes of st mirren will change their mind due to less chance of relegation even if they will lose some gate money. Have to hope that the likes of aberdeen, motherwell, killie, maybe dundee utd and st johnstone dont fancy the early split for the same reasons as us.

[Real Emerald]

As I've said before, I'm fine with permanent reconstruction if it's a 14 team top division with playoffs for Europe and expanded relegation playoffs - i.e. no meaningless games halfway through the season.

It'll be disappointing if Hearts aren't relegated, but a more exciting season for Hibs concerns me more than Hearts' fortunes.
Well you’ll be pleased to know you’ll have plenty of good quality seats in the stadium to choose from as the exciting 14 team permanent set up will see thousands less ST holders. Enjoy it!

[nonshinyfinish]

"17 of 22" suggests only a a 9-3 vote in the prem is required.

A 14 team temp league i could have accepted but permanent would be terrible. Hibs definitely wont vote for this but the switch from temp to permanent now has me worried that the likes of st mirren will change their mind due to less chance of relegation even if they will lose some gate money. Have to hope that the likes of aberdeen, motherwell, killie, maybe dundee utd and st johnstone dont fancy the early split for the same reasons as us.

That story is talking about an 'indicative' vote.

The real vote, if it gets that far, will require 11–1.

[PH91]

That story is talking about an 'indicative' vote.

The real vote, if it gets that far, will require 11–1.

Ok, cheers.

I'm back to not being worried about it then.

[Col2]

Make no mistake, if this goes through one team will be significantly disadvantaged in all of this and that is Hibs.

The ramifications for us are potentially massive. 8k tickets sold for a 12 team league. 150k lost through change in league position. Fans losing interest in football in huge quantities.

Hibs should be trying to convince all other Prem clubs against voting for this shambles like Hearts and Doncaster are currently doing. We can't stand back and let this happen without a fight, the stakes are too high

Exactly what I said. We will be by far the biggest losers and when we even try and suggest bribery or dodgy dealings the media will close it down as everyone is sick of the subject.

We all have a duty to let the CEO know how we feel.

If I t does go through but we are against it then Hibs can’t be blamed but we will come off the worst. However if the unthinkable happens then is total Armageddon.

[mjhibby]

Make no mistake, if this goes through one team will be significantly disadvantaged in all of this and that is Hibs.

The ramifications for us are potentially massive. 8k tickets sold for a 12 team league. 150k lost through change in league position. Fans losing interest in football in huge quantities.

Hibs should be trying to convince all other Prem clubs against voting for this shambles like Hearts and Doncaster are currently doing. We can't stand back and let this happen without a fight, the stakes are too high

Ridiculous that so many weeks have been spent on trying to avoid one clubs demotion. If it was Hamilton telegated none of this would have happened. Utter embarrassment for Scottish football that so much time spent on this and now a blatant bribe by the mystery benefactor tries to save hertz. This is seriously peeing off not just hibs fans. How pathetic and Mickey Mouse does this look and how farcical the governance of the game has become. I wasn’t looking forward to games with no fans and this pathetic saga will lose many thousands to the game. Like the Cummings incident in politics this whole farce could have long term consequences for the game. It’s so bad you couldn’t make it up.

[scoopyboy]

"17 of 22" suggests only a a 9-3 vote in the prem is required.

A 14 team temp league i could have accepted but permanent would be terrible. Hibs definitely wont vote for this but the switch from temp to permanent now has me worried that the likes of st mirren will change their mind due to less chance of relegation even if they will lose some gate money. Have to hope that the likes of aberdeen, motherwell, killie, maybe dundee utd and st johnstone dont fancy the early split for the same reasons as us.

It's definitely 11-1 as the total teams in the SPFL is changing from 42 to 44.

it's 11, 8 and 15 that would be required to get it through, ie 34.

Fat Jambo has got it wrong

[Alfred E Newman]

As I've said before, I'm fine with permanent reconstruction if it's a 14 team top division with playoffs for Europe and expanded relegation playoffs - i.e. no meaningless games halfway through the season.

It'll be disappointing if Hearts aren't relegated, but a more exciting season for Hibs concerns me more than Hearts' fortunes.

How would it be more exciting for us? We struggle annually to finish in the top 6 of the current set up.

[Jim44]

:yawn::yawn::yawn: Farce. Make your own mind up - I’m convinced of 4 things : Doncaster’s head has been turned ; Hearts will be in the top flight next season ; Doncaster will resign when the dust settles ; Rangers will be 50% pacified - Celtic will get their 9IAR but Doncaster’s resignation will pacify them.......
and we’ll all live happily ever after.

[greenpaper55]

No word of the numbers for relegation/promotion and they want clubs to take a vote on this ? how many half season tickets are going to sell with this set up ? Honestly, a boolin club committee could run this better !

[Scotty Leither]

Make no mistake, if this goes through one team will be significantly disadvantaged in all of this and that is Hibs.

The ramifications for us are potentially massive. 8k tickets sold for a 12 team league. 150k lost through change in league position. Fans losing interest in football in huge quantities.

Hibs should be trying to convince all other Prem clubs against voting for this shambles like Hearts and Doncaster are currently doing. We can't stand back and let this happen without a fight, the stakes are too high

:top marksThis should be winging its way to Ron Gordon right now.

If the Board do read this thread, they are surely aware of how the Hibs fan's resistance to this gerrymandering to suit ONE club has been ratcheted up again by Doncaster procastinating.

The silence isn't suiting us Hibs...break cover for goodness sake and declare that we're happy with the current set-up. If that riles the entitled ones from Gorgie, then tough - put your own fans first before anyone, and especially THEM.

[007]

"17 of 22" suggests only a a 9-3 vote in the prem is required.

A 14 team temp league i could have accepted but permanent would be terrible. Hibs definitely wont vote for this but the switch from temp to permanent now has me worried that the likes of st mirren will change their mind due to less chance of relegation even if they will lose some gate money. Have to hope that the likes of aberdeen, motherwell, killie, maybe dundee utd and st johnstone dont fancy the early split for the same reasons as us.

Not only has worded it incorrectly he's got his calculations wrong (not like a Jambo to fudge the numbers). It needs minimum 11 in Premiership 8 in the Championship and 15 League 1 and 2 combined. Falling short in any one of those and it has failed.

[James Stephen]

I think they could swing this, from the statement on the BBC

All 42 clubs have been asked to inform the SPFL by 10:00 BST on Monday if they would support the change, which is expected to be permanent.
If there is enough consensus then a formal vote would have to take place at an extraordinary general meeting.
At that stage, 17 of the 22 clubs in the Premiership and Championship would need to vote in favour for the plans to pass, and 32 from all four divisions combined.

That's me done with football if this passes, nothing but bribery and Doncaster is the prime mover behind this !

What does 'enough consensus' even mean?

Surely there is either consensus or there is not?

[007]

It will be interesting to see how Aberdeen vote. Cormack's always said he's against a permanent change but I think he'll vote yes.

[hfc rd]

From one farce to another. Just highlights how inept the game is governed up here.

[Real Emerald]

Not only has worded it incorrectly he's got his calculations wrong (not like a Jambo to fudge the numbers). It needs minimum 11 in Premiership 8 in the Championship and 15 League 1 and 2 combined. Falling short in any one of those and it has failed.

But they should know with all the discussion and the current indicative vote that there is not enough support for reconstruction. Why another version and another indicative vote to drag it on longer. It’s beyond farcical.

[Heisenberg]

It will be interesting to see how Aberdeen vote. Cormack's always said he's against a permanent change but I think he'll vote yes.

Only last week he said he was against the 5 year temporary plan because it was too much like a permanent change. He’s always been against permanent reconstruction, can’t see that changing now. It’ll cost teams too much money.

[ElginHibbie]

But they should know with all the discussion and the current indicative vote that there is not enough support for reconstruction. Why another version and another indicative vote to drag it on longer. It’s beyond farcical.

But they may have seen what has happened in France with a court blocking their plan cause they haven't looked at alternatives, this way the SPFL can say they gave clubs options and none had support so they did all they could if it gets to that point with any legal challenge

[Lee Marvin]

Only last week he said he was against the 5 year temporary plan because it was too much like a permanent change. He’s always been against permanent reconstruction, can’t see that changing now. It’ll cost teams too much money.

He has been so vocal against permanent reconstruction that itll look like he has been bought should he change his mind

[7heaven]

I wouldn't be surprised that Sky might be pushing for this.
It would be a bonus for them if they could show Edinburgh derbies as well as old firm games.

[GreenCastle]

14 team league would just be awful. Permanent or temporary. It’s a crap format and isn’t going to improve the product.

The 12 team league has actually improved over time and has had a good few exciting moments over the years.

The only reconstruction I would ever want discussed is a larger league playing teams x2 a season but that won’t happen.

As said above are they really ignorant enough to change the format of the league in such a short space of time. It would be SO Scottish football if they make this change.

As others have said this has been going on too long for players, clubs and the most important people the fans! I’m sure even Hearts fans want to know what the outcome is.

They were RELEGATED- this was voted on and on posted on the SPFL website. Since when does a relegated team then not become relegated.

If I was Dundee I would raging if ICT skipped any playoffs and Hearts managed to bribe themselves into the leagues.

The timing of giving money today and then voting after should be investigated - they really should have announced this after they finally figure out what’s happening with the game we invest so much money in.

It’s been a farce and no wonder other countries slate our league - absolute muppets in charge of the game.

[Sammy7nil]

As I've said before, I'm fine with permanent reconstruction if it's a 14 team top division with playoffs for Europe and expanded relegation playoffs - i.e. no meaningless games halfway through the season.

It'll be disappointing if Hearts aren't relegated, but a more exciting season for Hibs concerns me more than Hearts' fortunes.

The 12 team league has thrown up lots of tight finishes for Europe and relegation there is absolutely no improvement with a 14 team league. It is absolute madness.

[660]

I wouldn't be surprised that Sky might be pushing for this.
It would be a bonus for them if they could show Edinburgh derbies as well as old firm games.

Sky don’t care about Edinburgh derbies

[K-Zazu]

14-10-10-10 is happening. Absolute stick on

[StevieC]

I don’t know if you can recall the Sevco situation, but right up until the vote the SPFL, SFA, online media, Twitter, Facebook and every newspaper and their dog were telling us that they would only be relegated to the Championship to avoid a footballing Armageddon...

.. and yet ..

[Brightside]

I wouldn't be surprised that Sky might be pushing for this.
It would be a bonus for them if they could show Edinburgh derbies as well as old firm games.

No one out side of Edinburgh cares about the Edin derby.

[Onion]

Absolutely hysteria on this thread man ffs.

Little surprise. Hibernian and Hibs fans have done everything the right way. We recruited a manager who pulled us away from relegation while Hearts wasted £ millions of free cash from benefactors on Stendel and crap players while hurling insults at Hibs. They've since threatened everyone with legal action, acted like ********s, claiming to be saviours of football, while their rich fans flash their cash around. The whole sorry saga stinks to high Heaven.

Just as when Sevco were consigned to the 3rd Division, Hearts have now fully earned their place in the lower divisions and it will stick in the gullet if they manage too weasel their way out of it. The time this has taken to resolve and the process this has gone through has been ridiculous. You'd actually have more respect for Doncaster and the SPFL Board if they had any conviction, were taken to court by Hearts and LOST. All they appear to be doing is either pandering to someone who has flashed £3M or spending a lot of time we cannot afford covering their own ***** - with no guarantee of even doing that.

There are folk who have committed ST money for next season, having given up refunds from last season, who appear to be an after-thought in all of this.

[The Harp Awakes]

The Sun article suggests this attempt by the SPFL Board at reconstruction is a last chance saloon.

Logic tells me there's not enough clubs to vote this through. Could well be the SPFL Board are covering their @rses in case of legal action by hearts.

I could be wrong in the outcome but at least this sorry episode is coming to a conclusion.

[Since452]

Indicative votes in by Monday. Permanent change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52999362

I don’t think Jambo Brian is correct about the 17/22 Prem and Champ clubs having to vote for it in order for it to pass. It’s definitely 11-1 in the Premiership if the number of clubs in the league change, which they will.

And on it rumbles. Monday will become Friday. Tedious. CLUBS DON'T WANT RECONSTRUCTION. We knew this weeks ago. Why is Doncaster pushing this?

[tamig]

Reconstruction being forced through by 11 clubs doesnt bother me. Hibs voting it through does. If we have a 14 team top flight come August and Hibs have voted against it then so be it. The club cant be faulted or blamed and while it will be a joke outcome at least we had no part in it. But if the club vote for it, theyre in for a shock if they think this will just die down and go away. I am sure we will do the right thing. The club arent daft but the continual silence from the club doesnt help in situations like this.

What other clubs are giving running commentaries to their supports while all this pish drags on? What are you realistically expecting from the club?

[we are hibs]

Will this pass in the championship? It was said many clubs didnt want inverness to be promoted after their disgraceful behaviour during and after the season ending vote. Has that changed?

[007]

But they should know with all the discussion and the current indicative vote that there is not enough support for reconstruction. Why another version and another indicative vote to drag it on longer. It’s beyond farcical.

Hopefully the Sun's article is correct and this is the final go.

Really don't want permanent change. If I had to, I could live with 14 teams for a season, 2 at a stretch but permanent will be a nightmare. Presumably it has the ridiculous split after 26 games, I pray it doesn't have the stupid European place playoff between teams from opposite sides of the split.

I'd rather just play everybody 3 times, that way if you are low down the table but get a good run in the 2nd half of the season you can still get into Europe. An imbalance of home and away games in the forthcoming season won't matter much because if the first batch of games (particularly if it is 13 of them) are behind closed doors because without the crowd you essentially lose home advantage anyway.

[ElginHibbie]

Will this pass in the championship? It was said many clubs didnt want inverness to be promoted after their disgraceful behaviour during and after the season ending vote. Has that changed?

Good point, some may have softened but there is probably still enough there that makes the 32 out of 42 clubs voting for this seem even more unlikely

[hfc rd]

But they may have seen what has happened in France with a court blocking their plan cause they haven't looked at alternatives, this way the SPFL can say they gave clubs options and none had support so they did all they could if it gets to that point with any legal challenge

Didn’t the French authorities end the season without consulting the clubs hence why the courts deemed it unlawful? That’s not what the SPFL done so I’m unsure how they can be taken to court unless I’m missing something that is staring right in front of me?

The SPFL allowed all 42 members to decide back in April if they wanted the lower leagues to be ended. It got the majority required and the leagues were ended. The Premiership was then ended a couple of weeks later and Hearts were given an opportunity to submit a proposal and that failed. Rangers also submitted one but that also never got enough support. Technically they have allowed clubs to put proposals forward on how to proceed for next season and the two proposals that have been put forward i.e. Hearts & Rangers did not get the required support across all three leagues.

[brog]

Absolutely hysteria on this thread man ffs.

Thank God it's not just me!

[we are hibs]

What other clubs are giving running commentaries to their supports while all this pish drags on? What are you realistically expecting from the club?

To come out and say they feel its time everyone moves on for the good of the game and everyones focus should be on getting football started again. Whats the harm in that? If the club are going to vote against any reconstruction regardless of what it is, why cant they come out and say that?

[ElginHibbie]

Didn’t the French authorities end the season without consulting the clubs hence why the courts deemed it unlawful?

The SPFL allowed all 42 members to decide back in April if they wanted the lower leagues to be ended. It got the majority required and the leagues were ended. The Premiership was then ended a couple of weeks later and Hearts were given an opportunity to submit a proposal and that failed. Rangers also submitted one but that also never got enough support. Technically they have allowed clubs to put proposals forward on how to proceed for next season and the two proposals that have been put forward i.e. Hearts & Rangers did not get the required support across all three leagues.

What I read said that the French equivalent of the SPFL needed to re-examine their league structure, but if they can't come up with anything relegation could still happen.

Now there has been a lot of chat here about stuff as you have said, but I don't think anything has come to a vote structure wise so far? So it could be the SPFL have seen what has happened in France and so are putting forward this least worse option knowing full well it won't pass, but as it is an actual vote this time they could use this in court if it comes to it

[rossevenil]

What an absolute shambles! Another no decision and lets move onto another proposal this time from the SPFL rather than the 2 desperados! How long is this supposed to be going on for?
Are we just going to keep doing this until the clubs cave and just accept it so they can get on with planning for the season ahead?

Had enough of this now,either announce they are keeping that shower of s$$t in the Premier or relegate....almost 2 months of this crap

[Real Emerald]

Hopefully the Sun's article is correct and this is the final go.

Really don't want permanent change. If I had to, I could live with 14 teams for a season, 2 at a stretch but permanent will be a nightmare. Presumably it has the ridiculous split after 26 games, I pray it doesn't have the stupid European place playoff between teams from opposite sides of the split.

I'd rather just play everybody 3 times, that way if you are low down the table but get a good run in the 2nd half of the season you can still get into Europe. An imbalance of home and away games in the forthcoming season won't matter much because if the first batch of games (particularly if it is 13 of them) are behind closed doors because without the crowd you essentially lose home advantage anyway.

You wouldn’t know what your season ticket was buying! A season finishing in February or a reduced number of games. Two or three seasons in the bottom eight would see season tickets plummet, if there’s any left after this fiasco in the first place. It has to be booted into touch and should already have been.

[007]

14 team league would just be awful. Permanent or temporary. It’s a crap format and isn’t going to improve the product.

The 12 team league has actually improved over time and has had a good few exciting moments over the years.

The only reconstruction I would ever want discussed is a larger league playing teams x2 a season but that won’t happen.

As said above are they really ignorant enough to change the format of the league in such a short space of time. It would be SO Scottish football if they make this change.

As others have said this has been going on too long for players, clubs and the most important people the fans! I’m sure even Hearts fans want to know what the outcome is.

They were RELEGATED- this was voted on and on posted on the SPFL website. Since when does a relegated team then not become relegated.

If I was Dundee I would raging if ICT skipped any playoffs and Hearts managed to bribe themselves into the leagues.

The timing of giving money today and then voting after should be investigated - they really should have announced this after they finally figure out what’s happening with the game we invest so much money in.

It’s been a farce and no wonder other countries slate our league - absolute muppets in charge of the game.

Yep. Inverness were plotting alongside Hearts and Rangers for null and void which would only have benefitted Hearts, Rangers, Partick and Stranraer. No self interest going on there then. Funny how that story was quickly forgotten about by the media and didn't even get mentioned at all on Sportsound.

And was it not Inverness that were squealing about being bullied when it was them who was acting up?

[Since452]

How many times can clubs say there is not enough support for reconstruction? How many times will this be? Three times? All to keep Hearts in the league. This should have been ended weeks ago.

[Greencore]

Those c**** will escape relegation. They're jammy b*******

[Brightside]

Thank God it's not just me!

Its mental... nothing has been passed or even put up for vote and we have people wanting to send back their ST? :greengrin

[green day]

To come out and say they feel its time everyone moves on for the good of the game and everyones focus should be on getting football started again. Whats the harm in that? If the club are going to vote against any reconstruction regardless of what it is, why cant they come out and say that?

Because it is not useful in a situation like this, why tell everyone what you are thinking?

Hibs will - correctly - keep their thoughts to themselves, ensuring that they are not subject to external pressure from the media etc.

Which hopefully means that we can deliver the final vote against the jambos :aok:

[hibbysam]

No one out side of Edinburgh cares about the Edin derby.

Sky never even had rights to show Edinburgh derbies until the spfl agreed to give them more games to dilute what we were due them for last season. Unless of course they would cut out two rangers and Celtic away games at both tynecastle and Easter road to show them.

[Heisenberg]

DR still saying there’s positive noises for reconstruction now

https://bit.ly/3hfOpda

[Andy74]

Mark Atkinson tweets

Reckon SPFL are starting to panic a bit over impact legal action by Hearts could have on (a) club finances and (b) season starting on planned August 1. French situation different in terms of how relegation decision was imposed, Belgian less so. They'll have resonated regardless

No chance of legal action being an issue here.

[GreenCastle]

With the recent Rangers accusations and no consequences- nothing surprises me with Scottish Football.

If they think the relegation is unfair - use the testing kits and have a closed doors playoff. Don’t change the league structure in a short space of time with hardly any proper consultation.

Think about all the seasons we tried to get back into the top league and now ICT would just be bumped up ?!

[Eyrie]

There has been enough discussion about how a 14 team league would operate that it is very clear it has no practical benefits compared to the current 12 team league and plenty of downsides.

I'm relaxed that enough clubs will recognise the facts and so this latest (and hopefully final) attempt to un-relegate the worst team in last season's top flight will fail.

[tamig]

Mentioned it earlier but I’d have expected the club to be speaking to the fans about a few things......

League reconstruction, our thoughts, Input and concerns.

The return to football, when are we back at training? How is it going to look when we’re back?

Summer transfer plans- clearly not anything in any detail but it’s nice to know what the plans ahead are.

The online virtual season ticket plans- what’s the thoughts on this and how might it look.

Imo the best time to speak to your ‘customers’ is when you’ve got nothing to say, it makes it a lot easier to deliver bad news when you do that.
When did any club ever tell their support about “summer transfer plans?” And training’s meant to resume next week I thought. You’re changing your mind like the wind. Do you want a statement or not?

[hfc rd]

I wouldn't be surprised that Sky might be pushing for this.
It would be a bonus for them if they could show Edinburgh derbies as well as old firm games.

I don’t think SKY give a flying f*** about the Edinburgh derby compared to the Old Firm. Let’s be honest it’s not going to bring them in huge viewing figures. As long as they have guarantee that there will be 4 Old Firm games next season, then that’s satisfactory to them.

[green day]

DR still saying there’s positive noises for reconstruction now

https://bit.ly/3hfOpda

Interesting line................


Anderson is adamant that his cash will be made available regardless of the outcome of the reconstruction debate, with more money to follow.


But Hearts will hope his intervention may have helped to whip up support ahead of next Monday’s deadline.

[O'Rourke3]

Its mental... nothing has been passed or even put up for vote and we have people wanting to send back their ST? :greengrinIts the Hibs way.... Deal with facts not speculation.

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[GreenCastle]

DR still saying there’s positive noises for reconstruction now

https://bit.ly/3hfOpda

“But Hearts will hope his intervention may have helped to whip up support ahead of next Monday’s deadline.”

This is just ethically not the way to do things.

The SPFL have scored an own goal here allowing this to happen before any vote.

[007]

Interesting line................


Anderson is adamant that his cash will be made available regardless of the outcome of the reconstruction debate, with more money to follow.


But Hearts will hope his intervention may have helped to whip up support ahead of next Monday’s deadline.

Was just about to quote the exact same bit. That sounds like a bribe to me.

[Real Emerald]

With the recent Rangers accusations and no consequences- nothing surprises me with Scottish Football.

If they think the relegation is unfair - use the testing kits and have a closed doors playoff. Don’t change the league structure in a short space of time with hardly any proper consultation.

Think about all the seasons we tried to get back into the top league and now ICT would just be bumped up ?!

And Dundee Utd have just struggled for 4 years to get back and have invested a lot of money to do so. Who would have ever wanted to change to a permanent 14 team league, it’s just madness. Another week at least of this!

[PH91]

Because it is not useful in a situation like this, why tell everyone what you are thinking?

Hibs will - correctly - keep their thoughts to themselves, ensuring that they are not subject to external pressure from the media etc.

Which hopefully means that we can deliver the final vote against the jambos :aok:

Spot on

[hfc rd]

Was just about to quote the exact same bit. That sounds like a bribe to me.


Yep, the first thought that came to my mind as well when I read that.

[Mon Dieu4]

DR still saying there’s positive noises for reconstruction now

https://bit.ly/3hfOpda

Keith Jackson has never altered from the standpoint of positive noises throughout this whole affair, Take anything he says with a tonne of salt

[Logie Green]

This is making the voting process on the Eurovision Song Contest look snappy.

It seems to me that Doncaster and company haven’t done enough to square things off when the leagues were called and the threat of legal action is forcing further discussion regarding reconstruction.

I think we’ll end up with a form of reconstruction which will end up cheesing off as many clubs as the current situation has but for different reasons.

[Andy74]

“But Hearts will hope his intervention may have helped to whip up support ahead of next Monday’s deadline.”

This is just ethically not the way to do things.

The SPFL have scored an own goal here allowing this to happen before any vote.

Was never any doubt. A major Hearts investor hands out cash to all clubs ahead of voting that will decide Hearts future.

It’s scandalous.

[tamig]

Good point, some may have softened but there is probably still enough there that makes the 32 out of 42 clubs voting for this seem even more unlikely

32 out of 42 aside, it needs 11 votes from the Prem alone. I honestly cannot see that happening. This is an erse covering exercise imo. Nothing more nothing less.

[Lancs Harp]

Hearts and Rangers latest proposal

Ann Budge Superleague

Hearts
Real Madrid
Barca
BocaJuniors
River Plate
Bayern Munich
Juventus
New York Cosmos
Melchester Rovers
Harlem Globetrotters

Scottish Super League

Celtic
Rangers
(to play each other 36 times a season)

[GreenCastle]

And Dundee Utd have just struggled for 4 years to get back and have invested a lot of money to do so. Who would have ever wanted to change to a permanent 14 team league, it’s just madness. Another week at least of this!

There should be a 1 season in advance rule about any changes.

Not several weeks before teams start training again and off season reconstruction.

They also need new policy of the season is interrupted again during the season.

[jacomo]

There has been enough discussion about how a 14 team league would operate that it is very clear it has no practical benefits compared to the current 12 team league and plenty of downsides.

I'm relaxed that enough clubs will recognise the facts and so this latest (and hopefully final) attempt to un-relegate the worst team in last season's top flight will fail.


:agree:

[Sammy7nil]

Little surprise. Hibernian and Hibs fans have done everything the right way. We recruited a manager who pulled us away from relegation while Hearts wasted £ millions of free cash from benefactors on Stendel and crap players while hurling insults at Hibs. They've since threatened everyone with legal action, acted like ********s, claiming to be saviours of football, while their rich fans flash their cash around. The whole sorry saga stinks to high Heaven.

Just as when Sevco were consigned to the 3rd Division, Hearts have now fully earned their place in the lower divisions and it will stick in the gullet if they manage too weasel their way out of it. The time this has taken to resolve and the process this has gone through has been ridiculous. You'd actually have more respect for Doncaster and the SPFL Board if they had any conviction, were taken to court by Hearts and LOST. All they appear to be doing is either pandering to someone who has flashed £3M or spending a lot of time we cannot afford covering their own ***** - with no guarantee of even doing that.

There are folk who have committed ST money for next season, having given up refunds from last season, who appear to be an after-thought in all of this.

:agree: :top marks

[GreenCastle]

Was never any doubt. A major Hearts investor hands out cash to all clubs ahead of voting that will decide Hearts future.

It’s scandalous.

You word it very simply.

The guy has invested millions - not hundreds..but millions into Hearts and not he’s given donations to save the SPFLs asses and help lower league clubs out.

The worst part is it getting dressed up as community money for projects to help locals but instead some players will be getting a short term benefit through their own wages.

Serious questions need to be asked and the money should 100% be for community and not team wages.

[Jim44]

Interesting line................


Anderson is adamant that his cash will be made available regardless of the outcome of the reconstruction debate, with more money to follow.


But Hearts will hope his intervention may have helped to whip up support ahead of next Monday’s deadline.

Fair enough and good on him............ I can accept that his gift was not an overt bribe but no-one will convince me that he hasn’t considered the subliminal effect his gesture will have on clubs who are sitting on the fence. When push comes to shove, there’s every chance they will jump off on the Jambo side.

[green day]

And Dundee Utd have just struggled for 4 years to get back and have invested a lot of money to do so. Who would have ever wanted to change to a permanent 14 team league, it’s just madness. Another week at least of this!

Which is one reason I dont think they are voting for this proposal


32 out of 42 aside, it needs 11 votes from the Prem alone. I honestly cannot see that happening. This is an erse covering exercise imo. Nothing more nothing less.

I agree - we keep hearing that it has some legs, but I struggle to think of more than one in the Premiership voting yes for this, never mind 11 of the current 12.

[ElginHibbie]

32 out of 42 aside, it needs 11 votes from the Prem alone. I honestly cannot see that happening. This is an erse covering exercise imo. Nothing more nothing less.

The more I think about the more I am convinced they saw what the ruling was in France and are now trying to ensure they can't be pulled up for same thing if it ends up in court. All they need is for an actual vote to fail rather than giving up before it got to one

[matty_f]

I think people are jumping the gun in here.

It looks to me like the SPFL are drawing a line under it with this request - it'll be a "put up or shut up" scenario and if and when it's knocked back they don't welcome any more proposals for reconstruction.

IMHO, the fact that they want to make the change permanent is the deal breaker. A 14 team top flight, with a top 6/bottom 8 split is awful, and I can't see any of the clubs favouring that (the Glasgow two could back it as it would give them fewer games to play) but for everyone else it means that a bad start to the season effectively writes the season off unless that bad start is bad enough to put you in danger of relegation.

There's no chance that will be seen as a good deal, and for the lower league clubs, it looks like a bad deal for quite a few of them.

Again, only my opinion, but it'll be lucky to get as far as a vote, and if it does get that far, I'd put my money on it failing.

Hearts were relegated, and I can't see them getting back in without winning the Championship next season.

[tamig]

I agree - we keep hearing that it has some legs, but I struggle to think of more than one in the Premiership voting yes for this, never mind 11 of the current 12.

Who keeps peddling the “some legs” line though? It’s the usual suspects and I don’t think there’s any doubt that Budge has been in their ears - perish the thought 🤮

[Lancs Harp]

You word it very simply.

The guy has invested millions - not hundreds..but millions into Hearts and not he’s given donations to save the SPFLs asses and help lower league clubs out.

The worst part is it getting dressed up as community money for projects to help locals but instead some players will be getting a short term benefit through their own wages.

Serious questions need to be asked and the money should 100% be for community and not team wages.

That is the case according to SSN this evening and it was categorically denied that money donated had or will have anything to do with the vote. Apparently The guy approached Budge (who he already knew) to get the relevant football authority introduction. Now whether you choose to believe that is another matter but it was put out there for all to witness on Sky Sports News.

[Real Emerald]

You word it very simply.

The guy has invested millions - not hundreds..but millions into Hearts and not he’s given donations to save the SPFLs asses and help lower league clubs out.

The worst part is it getting dressed up as community money for projects to help locals but instead some players will be getting a short term benefit through their own wages.

Serious questions need to be asked and the money should 100% be for community and not team wages.

It’s also interesting that before the benefactors money became available Budge said they could only help with cost of testing etc. IF they were in the Premiership. It also appeared that Doncaster was aware of the benefactor money the week before it was made public on Sportsound. Doncaster seemed to be surprised that there were no strings attached to this in his Saturday afternoon reply to Budge. It actually stinks to high heaven.

[Hibernianinc]

I’m pretty relaxed about this.

There are too many downsides for too many clubs for this to pass the voting hurdles.

There may be positive noises of support, but I think it’s not well enough thought out to get the required numbers.

Ain’t half dragging on though.....

[Mon Dieu4]

It's also worth noting that the the Yams will be voting as a championship club along with Alloa and Arbroath

[Ronniekirk]

The key word in this is ‘permanent.’ I think the feedback from the clubs who indicated No must have said they are totally against a temporary reconstruction. Now that they have said this would be a permanent change the fear of relegating potentially 4 teams in 2/5 years is gone and this is maybe cleared the path for teams to now vote Yes.

Will clubs care enough about the fans views that splitting away at February and potential rendering us with 3 months of irrelevant games is a big enough concern for them when weighing that against what they may see as doing the right thing by Hearts whilst being ensured that they have not subjected their club to a precarious relegation position under a temp restructure.

Three months of irrelevant games ? Who in Their right mind wants that Ffs


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[Andy74]

I think people are jumping the gun in here.

It looks to me like the SPFL are drawing a line under it with this request - it'll be a "put up or shut up" scenario and if and when it's knocked back they don't welcome any more proposals for reconstruction.

IMHO, the fact that they want to make the change permanent is the deal breaker. A 14 team top flight, with a top 6/bottom 8 split is awful, and I can't see any of the clubs favouring that (the Glasgow two could back it as it would give them fewer games to play) but for everyone else it means that a bad start to the season effectively writes the season off unless that bad start is bad enough to put you in danger of relegation.

There's no chance that will be seen as a good deal, and for the lower league clubs, it looks like a bad deal for quite a few of them.

Again, only my opinion, but it'll be lucky to get as far as a vote, and if it does get that far, I'd put my money on it failing.

Hearts were relegated, and I can't see them getting back in without winning the Championship next season.

The proposals from the clubs haven’t got support. Why are the SPFL continuing to do anything here? They gave the clubs the opportunity to get a reconstruction proposal submitted and they failed. There’s no need to continue the discussions.

[green day]

I think people are jumping the gun in here.

It looks to me like the SPFL are drawing a line under it with this request - it'll be a "put up or shut up" scenario and if and when it's knocked back they don't welcome any more proposals for reconstruction.

IMHO, the fact that they want to make the change permanent is the deal breaker. A 14 team top flight, with a top 6/bottom 8 split is awful, and I can't see any of the clubs favouring that (the Glasgow two could back it as it would give them fewer games to play) but for everyone else it means that a bad start to the season effectively writes the season off unless that bad start is bad enough to put you in danger of relegation.

There's no chance that will be seen as a good deal, and for the lower league clubs, it looks like a bad deal for quite a few of them.

Again, only my opinion, but it'll be lucky to get as far as a vote, and if it does get that far, I'd put my money on it failing.

Hearts were relegated, and I can't see them getting back in without winning the Championship next season.

Not only that but for some clubs it might mean missing out on one additional full house from one of Rangers / Celtic which will be cash that they already bank on - in the case of a St Johnstone, Livi, Killie etc you are talking upwards of £100000 plus tv money for that fixture.

[G B Young]

DR still saying there’s positive noises for reconstruction now

https://bit.ly/3hfOpda

I've lost all understanding of this issue. Why is it an issue at all after the leagues were brought to an end? Why is reconstruction even on the table? And why do we need seemingly endless attempts to get clubs to vote for it? I find it genuinely hard to believe that Hearts going down is that big a deal. There must be something else at play to keep this nonsense going.

Oh, and just when you thought you'd seen every sartorial eyesore Ann Budge has worn the Record 'treat' us to another. What is that thing?

[Ronniekirk]

Permanent change is a disaster.

Indicative vote, no doubt that'll mean more meetings afterwards if it doesn't get enough indicative votes.

Yes the word indicative is getting on my tits



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[Andy74]

I've lost all understanding of this issue. Why is it an issue at all after the leagues were brought to an end? Why is reconstruction even on the table? And why do we need seemingly endless attempts to get clubs to vote for it? I find it genuinely hard to believe that Hearts going down is that big a deal. There must be something else at play to keep this nonsense going.

Oh, and just when you thought you'd seen every sartorial eyesore Ann Budge has worn the Record 'treat' us to another. What is that thing?

You’re right.

[Ronniekirk]

Mark Atkinson tweets

Reckon SPFL are starting to panic a bit over impact legal action by Hearts could have on (a) club finances and (b) season starting on planned August 1. French situation different in terms of how relegation decision was imposed, Belgian less so. They'll have resonated regardless

So one team holds everyone to ransom
If it comes to fruition and we are then told to move on fir the good of the game it’s not going to happen Budge could move on fir the good of the game but isn’t prepared to



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[007]

That is the case according to SSN this evening and it was categorically denied that money donated had or will have anything to do with the vote. Apparently The guy approached Budge (who he already knew) to get the relevant football authority introduction. Now whether you choose to believe that is another matter but it was put out there for all to witness on Sky Sports News.

If I was bribing someone and got accused of it, I would categorically deny the large some of money I was giving someone was for something in return.

[Real Emerald]

Yes the word indicative is getting on my tits



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You can’t reconstruct an entire league system with ideas pulled out a hat every 4 days to see if something sticks, especially a permanent reconstruction. There’s no feasibility studies, costings, fans opinions or potential consequences based on anything been done. It’s utter desperation and meanwhile fans like myself have foregone any refunds and paid for next years season ticket.

[SMAXXA]

I think people are jumping the gun in here.

It looks to me like the SPFL are drawing a line under it with this request - it'll be a "put up or shut up" scenario and if and when it's knocked back they don't welcome any more proposals for reconstruction.

IMHO, the fact that they want to make the change permanent is the deal breaker. A 14 team top flight, with a top 6/bottom 8 split is awful, and I can't see any of the clubs favouring that (the Glasgow two could back it as it would give them fewer games to play) but for everyone else it means that a bad start to the season effectively writes the season off unless that bad start is bad enough to put you in danger of relegation.

There's no chance that will be seen as a good deal, and for the lower league clubs, it looks like a bad deal for quite a few of them.

Again, only my opinion, but it'll be lucky to get as far as a vote, and if it does get that far, I'd put my money on it failing.

Hearts were relegated, and I can't see them getting back in without winning the Championship next season.

As I’ve come to expect from you another really good post, well thought through and sensible. Wish I could say that about myself most of the time 😂

[007]

Yes the word indicative is getting on my tits



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Thankfully it now sounds like this is the last version.

[Joe6-2]

That is the case according to SSN this evening and it was categorically denied that money donated had or will have anything to do with the vote. Apparently The guy approached Budge (who he already knew) to get the relevant football authority introduction. Now whether you choose to believe that is another matter but it was put out there for all to witness on Sky Sports News.

Of course it would be denied, he could hardly admit it is a bribe

[CapitalGreen]

Imagine a 14 team league...

- Imagine splitting the season at the start of February every year.
- Imagine the chance of the team in 7th place being deemed worthy of representing Scotland in Europe.
- Imagine the teams in 5th and 6th having to play each 6 times a season.
- Imagine some teams playing just 36 games while other teams play up 46 games a season.
- Imagine the amount of meaningless fixtures involving mid table teams post-split.

[04Sauzee]

Daily Mail Scottish Football chief reporter tweets

SPFL emailed clubs tonight asking them to vote for a 14-10-10-10 on a permanent basis from next season. Also asked them to vote on calling an EGM within seven days to get it through quickly if approved.

[660]

Daily Mail Scottish Football chief reporter tweets

SPFL emailed clubs tonight asking them to vote for a 14-10-10-10 on a permanent basis from next season. Also asked them to vote on calling an EGM within seven days to get it through quickly if approved.

To vote for 14-10-10-10 or on 14-10-10-10. There’s a big difference and I don’t trust that journalist not to have made a stupid mistake in that tweet to be honest.

[Joe6-2]

Daily Mail Scottish Football chief reporter tweets

SPFL emailed clubs tonight asking them to vote for a 14-10-10-10 on a permanent basis from next season. Also asked them to vote on calling an EGM within seven days to get it through quickly if approved.

Who is pushing for this? Why?

[JohnM1875]

Daily Mail Scottish Football chief reporter tweets

SPFL emailed clubs tonight asking them to vote for a 14-10-10-10 on a permanent basis from next season. Also asked them to vote on calling an EGM within seven days to get it through quickly if approved.


Good. Let's get it to a vote then just as quickly get it to ****! Surely if it's to go to a vote with the 11-1 needed then it's done.

[CapitalGreen]

To vote for 14-10-10-10 or on 14-10-10-10. There’s a big difference and I don’t trust that journalist not to have made a stupid mistake in that tweet to be honest.

Agreed, would be good to get that clarified.

[660]

I doubt premiership clubs will vote for this, even if lower league clubs like Abroath, Alloa and Hearts are for it.

[The Harp Awakes]

St Johnstone look like a no:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/1365365/st-johnstone-chairman-cant-see-reconstruction-next-season-but-he-wants-a-five-league-set-up-in-the-long-term/

[007]

St Johnstone chairman doesn't think reconstruction will happen for next season but doesn't give any clues to how they might vote.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/1365365/st-johnstone-chairman-cant-see-reconstruction-next-season-but-he-wants-a-five-league-set-up-in-the-long-term/

[007]

Imagine a 14 team league...

- Imagine splitting the season at the start of February every year.
- Imagine the chance of the team in 7th place being deemed worthy of representing Scotland in Europe.
- Imagine the teams in 5th and 6th having to play each 6 times a season.
- Imagine some teams playing just 36 games while other teams play up 46 games a season.
- Imagine the amount of meaningless fixtures involving mid table teams post-split.

Prefer John Lennon's version. 😀

[Heisenberg]

Agreed, would be good to get that clarified.

He’s clarified should say on rather than for.

[matty_f]

The proposals from the clubs haven’t got support. Why are the SPFL continuing to do anything here? They gave the clubs the opportunity to get a reconstruction proposal submitted and they failed. There’s no need to continue the discussions.

I think it's because there's been criticism that they've not shown any leadership in the saga. This is the now or never moment for it, if it doesn't fly now then that's it finished with.

[CapitalGreen]

Prefer John Lennon's version. 😀

😂😂

[660]

He’s clarified should say on rather than for.

A journalist making this sort of mistake is pretty embarrassing.

[Joe6-2]

A journalist making this sort of mistake is pretty embarrassing.

You can’t be surprised!

[CapitalGreen]

St Johnstone chairman doesn't think reconstruction will happen for next season but doesn't give any clues to how they might vote.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/1365365/st-johnstone-chairman-cant-see-reconstruction-next-season-but-he-wants-a-five-league-set-up-in-the-long-term/

His quotes suggest he’s referring to 14-14-14 or 14-14-18. He is correct though that it needs to be a well thought out reconstruction and not fast tracked through.

[The 90+2]

Told you, they will get away with this and we will be the major losers. It’s ****ing typical. Hibernian must vote against this sham and should now publicly declare so. The club now owe it to our support who have again backed us in terms of 8,000 season tickets. The days of taking the support for granted is meant to be over.

[007]

😂😂

Completely agree with you though. 😀

[Real Emerald]

Q: So you’ve got a new league set up of 14 10 10 10 Mr Doncaster, how did that come about?

A: Well someone came up with the idea on Tuesday and we had a vote on it on Monday and it went through. Great eh.

Q: Why now?

A: Well we’d never thought of it before.

Q: What advantages or disadvantages does it have and will fans like it?

A: No idea but it seemed like a good idea on Tuesday!

Oh and Mrs Budge is happy and we’ve got one of thoan benefactors now which has honestly nothing to do with it at all.

[007]

Told you, they will get away with this and we will be the major losers. It’s ****ing typical. Hibernian must vote against this sham and should now publicly declare so. The club now owe it to our support who have again backed us in terms of 8,000 season tickets. The days of taking the support for granted is meant to be over.

I'd expect Hibs and St Mirren to vote against it 🤞. I'm the opposite re announcing which way we will vote. I think that's been part of the problem and why it has taken so long (as well as Budge's fannying around).
So many clubs have been saying what they will and won't vote for that 1st the Reconstruction Group, then Budge and now Doncaster have been going round in circles and we've now ended back at what was probably one of the first suggestions 2 months ago. It could have been done and dusted weeks ago, clubs could have voted and Budge could have done the court thing by now.

[neil7908]

This is turning into a farce. If I'm honest, I've not missed the football as much as I thought in the last couple of months. I'm sure once it's back, and particularly when I can get to game I'll feel differently but right now I'm really struggling to remember why I put my hard earned wages into following this joke of a league.

[007]

His quotes suggest he’s referring to 14-14-14 or 14-14-18. He is correct though that it needs to be a well thought out reconstruction and not fast tracked through.

Yeah, I guess the interview was done before Doncaster said 14-10-10-10 was back on the table.

[tamig]

Told you, they will get away with this and we will be the major losers. It’s ****ing typical. Hibernian must vote against this sham and should now publicly declare so. The club now owe it to our support who have again backed us in terms of 8,000 season tickets. The days of taking the support for granted is meant to be over.

Calm doon man. They won’t get away with anything.

[tamig]

This is turning into a farce. If I'm honest, I've not missed the football as much as I thought in the last couple of months. I'm sure once it's back, and particularly when I can get to game I'll feel differently but right now I'm really struggling to remember why I put my hard earned wages into following this joke of a league.

You follow your team surely?

[The 90+2]

I'd expect Hibs and St Mirren to vote against it 🤞. I'm the opposite re announcing which way we will vote. I think that's been part of the problem and why it has taken so long (as well as Budge's fannying around).
So many clubs have been saying what they will and won't vote for that 1st the Reconstruction Group, then Budge and now Doncaster have been going round in circles and we've now ended back at what was probably one of the first suggestions 2 months ago. It could have been done and dusted weeks ago, clubs could have voted and Budge could have done the court thing by now.

Our support is becoming restless though. The club should address the support on such a delicate topic especially considering the amount of us that have paid for next season as a mark of support for the club regardless of the current situation. The overall feeling of the support is no change to help them. We’ve already lost money from the season ending early because we rightfully done the correct thing. Other posters are correct, they get saved we will be the biggest victims of it all overall.

[The 90+2]

Calm doon man. They won’t get away with anything.

Hope so lad. It will be a turn up for the books if they have to actually eventually take their medicine for once.

[FilipinoHibs]

Completely agree with you though. 😀

Will make our top league a very unattractive proposition. Why would you buy a season ticket knowing your season could be over in February with 14 meaningless games to go? Think fans will be more likely to pay at gate and pick and choose games as they see how season evolves.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Prefer John Lennon's version. 😀
Brilliant

[Hibeesmad]

There will be at least 2 teams who vote no for the proposal no matter what the reconstruction plan is imo.

[The 90+2]

There will be at least 2 teams who vote no for the proposal no matter what the reconstruction plan is imo.

I read earlier it will have to be 75% now ive no idea how as that can only be the case if the financial structures stays the same - which it can’t.

[Chorley Hibee]

If this passes, I'm done with football for the foreseeable future regardless of how Hibs vote.

14 permanent is literally the worst format you can get. This, added to the corruption and bribery at play, will ensure my emotional energy is invested elsewhere

Exactly how I feel too.

I mentioned earlier I was withholding my money on a season ticket renewal as the wall of silence from Hibs on the matter was disturbing.

It's apparent now that this will be forced through by hook or by crook, and sure enough the team who will be indirectly affected the most will be Hibs.

Bribery and corruption continues apace in Scottish football, well I for one am done with it.

[Hibeesmad]

I read earlier it will have to be 75% now ive no idea how as that can only be the case if the financial structures stays the same - which it can’t.

A lot of journos out there seem to have their maroon tinted glasses on. They fall into the bubble of supporting them lot no matter what. They have just been relegated and I am failing to find many articles about how it all went wrong and how pathetically run they have been to get into that mess. If we were in their shoes we wouldn't hear the end of how we failed.

[The 90+2]

A lot of journos out there seem to have their maroon tinted glasses on. They fall into the bubble of supporting them lot no matter what. They have just been relegated and I am failing to find many articles about how it all went wrong and how pathetically run they have been to get into that mess. If we were in their shoes we wouldn't hear the end of how we failed.

That’s the bit that annoys me more than anything. Potter (Harry not the good guy) was even on the podcast yesterday bleating on about injuries and how he was hard done by then followed Hearts hard done by, just like when they went into administration absolutely nobody at that club or associated with them will ever take any responsibility on how their actions lead to this. Or lead to anything in the past it’s always someone else’s fault and they are the hard done by ones.

They’ve spent vast amounts of money they can’t afford unless topped up by benefactors on utter pap, nobody ever mentions who should be accountable for that. It completely stinks and is typically hearts.

[Chorley Hibee]

So it's unfair to end the league early and relegate Hearts, but perfectly fair to end the league early and promote Inverness at the expense of others.

I can't believe the likes of Dundee, Ayr, Dunfermline and even Arbroath haven't voiced their opposition to this.

Christ, it would even give weight to Rangers and their argument about Celtic being awarded the title should this go through.

Never known a club like Hearts, a club who continually comes out of the **** smelling of roses. A club repeatedly praised by our media for their gross negligence and incompetence, even managing to portray their administration as some sort of success (despite stiffing creditors for a combined total of millions).

It's also not the first time the football authorities in this country have bent the rules for them, remember them being deducted 2pts in the League Cup? It was conveniently just enough for it not to have adversely affected Hearts, and helped facilitate their run to a semi final played at Murrayfield (with all the income benefits attached).

Time to hear from you Hibs!

[Real Emerald]

So it's unfair to end the league early and relegate Hearts, but perfectly fair to end the league early and promote Inverness at the expense of others.

I can't believe the likes of Dundee, Ayr, Dunfermline and even Arbroath haven't voiced their opposition to this.

Christ, it would even give weight to Rangers and their argument about Celtic being awarded the title should this go through.

They (SPFL) have actually followed the rules put in place for such a situation. Then PERMENANT reconstruction pulled out of the air with no details given on why or how it will work to be agreed in a few days and a few weeks before the season is meant to starts would be incredible. Add in £3m gift from the benefactor of the team reinstated after relegation and Disney will be interested. It’s pure fantasy stuff.

[one day maybe...]

As I've said before, I'm fine with permanent reconstruction if it's a 14 team top division with playoffs for Europe and expanded relegation playoffs - i.e. no meaningless games halfway through the season.

It'll be disappointing if Hearts aren't relegated, but a more exciting season for Hibs concerns me more than Hearts' fortunes.

For me if there is reconstruction then I’d love to see from a 14 team league, 2 down, 2 up. With 3rd bottom playing the 3rd placed team for the right to stay or be relegated. Do I want Hearts relegated? No... I love the derby win or lose it’s the game that makes me feel like a football fan.. I don’t however want a temporary fix, if we are going to make the league bigger then it has to be permanent.

[Hibeesmad]

That’s the bit that annoys me more than anything. Potter (Harry not the good guy) was even on the podcast yesterday bleating on about injuries and how he was hard done by then followed Hearts hard done by, just like when they went into administration absolutely nobody at that club or associated with them will ever take any responsibility on how their actions lead to this. Or lead to anything in the past it’s always someone else’s fault and they are the hard done by ones.

They’ve spent vast amounts of money they can’t afford unless topped up by benefactors on utter pap, nobody ever mentions who should be accountable for that. It completely stinks and is typically hearts.

Potter probably made more signings than any other club in Scotland from the moment he stepped back in the door. Michael Stewart has hit the nail on the head in his recent comments about him. Levein only kept the job as long as he did for taking them to a cup final in which they were forced into a replay against Partick and had one of the easiest runs getting there and winning the league in October.

I don't think reconstruction will happen for the upcoming season but I have no doubt there is some sort of bribery behind the scenes.

[007]

I read earlier it will have to be 75% now ive no idea how as that can only be the case if the financial structures stays the same - which it can’t.

It needs 90% to increase the SPFL to 44 clubs.

[Moulin Yarns]

I've not read everything in the last 12 hours, but if there needs to be any tinkering with the league why's it not 4 times 12? Start by admitting Brora and Kelty to make 12, 10, 10, 12 then the following season same again but promote 3 and relegate 1 between league 1 and 2, and same goes for the following season. By season 23/24 all the leagues would be the same as the Premier league.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

I think it’s important that this decision isn’t rushed...

[Waxy]

Three times already reconstruction has been put on the table. Each time with a 14 team top league and every time rejected.The first was with a reconstruction group of nearly half the league.
Its clear it isnt right.
The SPFL board need looked at here.

[Waxy]

So it's unfair to end the league early and relegate Hearts, but perfectly fair to end the league early and promote Inverness at the expense of others.

I can't believe the likes of Dundee, Ayr, Dunfermline and even Arbroath haven't voiced their opposition to this.

Christ, it would even give weight to Rangers and their argument about Celtic being awarded the title should this go through.

Never known a club like Hearts, a club who continually comes out of the **** smelling of roses. A club repeatedly praised by our media for their gross negligence and incompetence, even managing to portray their administration as some sort of success (despite stiffing creditors for a combined total of millions).

It's also not the first time the football authorities in this country have bent the rules for them, remember them being deducted 2pts in the League Cup? It was conveniently just enough for it not to have adversely affected Hearts, and helped facilitate their run to a semi final played at Murrayfield (with all the income benefits attached).

Time to hear from you Hibs!
Remember their semi final got moved to Murrayfield 10 minutes after they started moaning?