NO to reconstruction

[Aldo]

Ross county statement worried me to be honest.

They said no to the colts team this year as it’s too soon, In theory they’re in agreement with the rest of the plan then. I think they’ll be open to a restructure to suit Hearts now but then look to get the colts into the lower leagues at a later time. I think Rangers also said they recognised that it would probably be too soon for the colts next season.

I still cannot see the likes of Accies, St Mirren, RC, Well, Aberdeen or even us voting for this.
I also cannot see any emergency power being invoked (if there is one) to suit one team.

This now needs to be sorted and as soon as. It’s like we are going around the houses to get the result one team wants.

There is another theory. Doncaster is going through the motions covering as many bases as he can so if and that is a big if, Budge decides to go the legal route (still cannot see it) he has his ducks all lined up in a row!


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[Jim44]

Jim reading the post they think that Doncaster will be invoking the supposed ‘Emergency Clause’ to force it through even if the clubs don’t want it.


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I think that would be a very stupid and dangerous precedent to set. Mind you, after the craziness of the past few weeks, nothing would shock or surprise me.

[Aldo]

I think that would be a very stupid and dangerous precedent to set. Mind you, after the craziness of the past few weeks, nothing would shock or surprise me.

Very stupid indeed and Doncaster (if the clause exists) will know it. It won’t get used to save one team because it would cause uproar and would IMHO show corruption is rife.

I still don’t think it will happen!


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[marinello59]

Jim reading the post they think that Doncaster will be invoking the supposed ‘Emergency Clause’ to force it through even if the clubs don’t want it.


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That will be the clubs that employ him then? A hell of a way to get the sack.

[green day]

Ross county statement worried me to be honest.

They said no to the colts team this year as it’s too soon, In theory they’re in agreement with the rest of the plan then. I think they’ll be open to a restructure to suit Hearts now but then look to get the colts into the lower leagues at a later time. I think Rangers also said they recognised that it would probably be too soon for the colts next season.

This being the mythical "14 10 10 10" that jambos think is nailed.

As it is permanent, it needs a huge vote in favour in the lower leagues as it adds 2 clubs and changes the money.

It also needs 11-1 in the Premiership for the same reasons.

It isnt happening, this is getting utterly utterly boring now. I just wish Hearts and Budge would **** off.

[Aldo]

That will be the clubs that employ him then? A hell of a way to get the sack.

Indeed. This is why it won’t happen!

Let’s just get it on with it so we can look forward instead of this crap about saving one team!


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[bingo70]

This being the mythical "14 10 10 10" that jambos think is nailed.

As it is permanent, it needs a huge vote in favour in the lower leagues as it adds 2 clubs and changes the money.

It also needs 11-1 in the Premiership for the same reasons.

It isnt happening, this is getting utterly utterly boring now. I just wish Hearts and Budge would **** off.

I’m not disagreeing with you but playing devils advocate, Hearts fans are saying the vote isn’t needed as some emergency clause is being invoked.

Doesn’t seem right to me but the silence from the majority of premier league clubs is worrying me. I just get the feeling something is brewing.

[calumhibee1]

They are not hatchett men in the lower leagues. They are all bloody good players who just never made it to the top level. They are all still better players than the majority of u20’s and there is a lot to be learned from playing against them.


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:agree:

I always find it funny when people slaughter players in the lower leagues. Footballers ability is all relative, however I don’t think a lot of people realise quite how good you need to be to even play lowland league/juniors, never mind league one or two.

[tamig]

I’m not disagreeing with you but playing devils advocate, Hearts fans are saying the vote isn’t needed as some emergency clause is being invoked.

Doesn’t seem right to me but the silence from the majority of premier league clubs is worrying me. I just get the feeling something is brewing.
Why would any emergency require the top league to increase in size from its current format? Its nonsense.

[malcolm]

That will be the clubs that employ him then? A hell of a way to get the sack.

Potentially if there was such an emergency clause, it would exercised by the board not by the employee hired effectively to do the admin. In the current circumstances, the need for going over and above the normal rules, if such provisions exist, could only logically be in a dire emergency such as to muster enough clubs to have a competition. That emergency would never in a million years be a need to ‘save’ hearts or add in extra teams for a couple of clubs and no one is suggesting we are even close to needing to borrow teams from the lower leagues to have enough for a premier division competition... it could even work with only 10 teams :wink: .

I‘d put this down in an even more mythical category than the purported pending legal action and suggest our neighbours need a sanity clause :greengrin

[bingo70]

Why would any emergency require the top league to increase in size from its current format? Its nonsense.

I think the counter argument to that is fear of a prolonged legal battle that could potentially cause a delay to the start of the season or could see clubs going bust.

I’ve said since day one I don’t see how the legal challenge would stand any sort of chance, people on the other side if the argument disagree, maybe the league don’t want to run the risk and want to find an amicable agreement instead.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I’m not disagreeing with you but playing devils advocate, Hearts fans are saying the vote isn’t needed as some emergency clause is being invoked.

Doesn’t seem right to me but the silence from the majority of premier league clubs is worrying me. I just get the feeling something is brewing.

Things to remember

1. Its Keekboak and its located in a secure ward at the Royal Edinburgh.

2. No such "Executive" emergency provision exists in the articles of the SPFL.

3. The SPFL learned its lesson from the Dundee vote debacle

4. Doncaster is actually an employee playing a blinder reeling the Budgie in allowing her to close off all her options and alienating any sympathetic clubs by her pathetic antics.

5. The SPFL has the SFA clause 5.1.a up its sleeve to deal with any attempted court case, not to mention UEFA Atricle 7

6. The SPFL is a company limited by guarantee. It has 42 shareholders guaranteeing £1.00 each. Try getting £10m out of a dry stone.

7. They voted to end the season and to relegate themselves

8. They are broke and rapidly running out of superglue to stick their two brain cells together

9. Oh yeah and they chose to follow Hurtz so deserve no sympathy.

[007]

Jim reading the post they think that Doncaster will be invoking the supposed ‘Emergency Clause’ to force it through even if the clubs don’t want it.


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Doncaster might be able to rejig the leagues keeping 42 clubs and leave the issue of the big drop off in prize money for 13th and 14th unresolved. Potentially the clubs could be told to agree to something or that's what you're getting.

You'd expect that to get agreement to change to a 14 team Premiership it would also have to include the drop in prize money issue being resolved. It would need about £2m to bring 13th and 14th up to a more appropriate level (from the mysterious vanishing £2.75m from when the JA donation went from £4.75m to £2m? I'd guess probably not). Or perhaps more likely a complete rehash of the overall prize money i.e. it'd be'smoothed out' by reducing 1st to 12th a bit each.

If there is reconstruction then I'd be very interested to hear the reasons how it came about and to see what happens with the prize money distribution percentages.

[Aldo]

Doncaster might be able to rejig the leagues keeping 42 clubs and leave the issue of the big drop off in prize money for 13th and 14th unresolved. Potentially the clubs could be told to agree to something or that's what you're getting.

You'd expect that to get agreement to change to a 14 team Premiership it would also have to include the drop in prize money issue being resolved. It would need about £2m to bring 13th and 14th up to a more appropriate level (from the mysterious vanishing £2.75m from when the JA donation went from £4.75m to £2m? I'd guess probably not). Or perhaps more likely a complete rehash of the overall prize money i.e. it'd be'smoothed out' by reducing 1st to 12th a bit each.

If there is reconstruction then I'd be very interested to hear the reasons how it came about and to see what happens with the prize money distribution percentages.

Doncaster can try but I don’t think this is even in his mind. Yes I’m but a mind reader and I cannot see into the future but I think he is just going through the motions.

Heay I could be wrong and the clubs vote in favour of reconstruction.... I just can’t see it though!


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[Joe6-2]

I think the counter argument to that is fear of a prolonged legal battle that could potentially cause a delay to the start of the season or could see clubs going bust.

I’ve said since day one I don’t see how the legal challenge would stand any sort of chance, people on the other side if the argument disagree, maybe the league don’t want to run the risk and want to find an amicable agreement instead.

So they would find it acceptable to to respond to blackmail?

[bingo70]

So they would find it acceptable to to respond to blackmail?

Who knows, I hope not but we’re not privy to what is being said in these meetings and very few of the clubs are telling their supporters anything.

[Peevemor]

I think the counter argument to that is fear of a prolonged legal battle that could potentially cause a delay to the start of the season or could see clubs going bust.

I’ve said since day one I don’t see how the legal challenge would stand any sort of chance, people on the other side if the argument disagree, maybe the league don’t want to run the risk and want to find an amicable agreement instead.The prolonged legal battle is a brokeback fantasy.

The "calling" of the league is in the rules. The confirmation of placings as of when the league is called is also in the rules.

That's all.

[easty]

Things to remember

1. Its Keekboak and its located in a secure ward at the Royal Edinburgh.

2. No such "Executive" emergency provision exists in the articles of the SPFL.

3. The SPFL learned its lesson from the Dundee vote debacle

4. Doncaster is actually an employee playing a blinder reeling the Budgie in allowing her to close off all her options and alienating any sympathetic clubs by her pathetic antics.

5. The SPFL has the SFA clause 5.1.a up its sleeve to deal with any attempted court case, not to mention UEFA Atricle 7

6. The SPFL is a company limited by guarantee. It has 42 shareholders guaranteeing £1.00 each. Try getting £10m out of a dry stone.

7. They voted to end the season and to relegate themselves

8. They are broke and rapidly running out of superglue to stick their two brain cells together

9. Oh yeah and they chose to follow Hurtz so deserve no sympathy.

Did Hearts actually vote for the season to end?

[EI255]

With the two arse cheeks having youth teams in the league how on earth would the rest of us entice youngsters to sign. We would be playing friendlies against Huddersfield U23 when they would be playing Cove Rangers and the likes. We need to stop pandering to 2 clubs and not let them dictate how our league works.I really wouldn't lose too much sleep over this. It's utter fantasy. It won't happen.

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[mjhibby]

Democratic vote and all that! I wonder if that’s why Budge has gone quiet?

I just cannot see it though Bingo. Aberdeen and Ross County have said no so far so if it’s 11-1 that’s it blown out the water. O and by all accounts St Mirren, whilst they’ve not said yes, appear to be leaning that way.


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St mirren definite no as are st Johnstone.

[04Sauzee]

Did Hearts actually vote for the season to end?

Think it was unanimous? Is this not the minutes Aberdeen took and had to amend?

[EI255]

This being the mythical "14 10 10 10" that jambos think is nailed.

As it is permanent, it needs a huge vote in favour in the lower leagues as it adds 2 clubs and changes the money.

It also needs 11-1 in the Premiership for the same reasons.

It isnt happening, this is getting utterly utterly boring now. I just wish Hearts and Budge would **** off.I think Fartz and the media continue to forget that there are outspoken chairmen who categorically state that they will vote against this. The numbers add up. Unfortunately, not the way Fartz or Budge would like them to. Hurry up and get this thing shut. It's dull!

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[EI255]

St mirren definite no as are st Johnstone.Add Motherwell to that

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[mjhibby]

I still cannot see the likes of Accies, St Mirren, RC, Well, Aberdeen or even us voting for this.
I also cannot see any emergency power being invoked (if there is one) to suit one team.

This now needs to be sorted and as soon as. It’s like we are going around the houses to get the result one team wants.

There is another theory. Doncaster is going through the motions covering as many bases as he can so if and that is a big if, Budge decides to go the legal route (still cannot see it) he has his ducks all lined up in a row!


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Your last comment is closest to the truth. Doncaster was burned in trying to rush through ending the league in March. He won’t make the same mistake. Just to repeat for all the jambos looking in any changes have to go to a vote. Neither reconstruction proposal will get close to passing. Next proposal please. Tick tock.

[inglisavhibs]

Who knows, I hope not but we’re not privy to what is being said in these meetings and very few of the clubs are telling their supporters anything.
Be patient, it’s not even getting to a vote as the SPL clubs don’t want a 14 club league. Even if they did the small clubs will vote it down. Those that think Doncaster has the power to do things without the clubs backing are wrong.

[FilipinoHibs]

I still cannot see the likes of Accies, St Mirren, RC, Well, Aberdeen or even us voting for this.
I also cannot see any emergency power being invoked (if there is one) to suit one team.

This now needs to be sorted and as soon as. It’s like we are going around the houses to get the result one team wants.

There is another theory. Doncaster is going through the motions covering as many bases as he can so if and that is a big if, Budge decides to go the legal route (still cannot see it) he has his ducks all lined up in a row!


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Anybody outside old firm and Aberdeen has a chance of being bottom 8. So less games at home vs teams with big travelling support; less prize money; more chance of being rekegated; and more chance of meaningless games. A top 14 is not going to fly. Nothing in serious press and rags only mention opposition. Nevermind opposition from lower leagues. Jambos are in for a rude awakening

[Aldo]

St mirren definite no as are st Johnstone.

So that’s 3 if not 4 already.

Just get it done!


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[Aldo]

Your last comment is closest to the truth. Doncaster was burned in trying to rush through ending the league in March. He won’t make the same mistake. Just to repeat for all the jambos looking in any changes have to go to a vote. Neither reconstruction proposal will get close to passing. Next proposal please. Tick tock.

Wonder if this is why Budge is backing Newco?

As for Doncaster, you are right about him getting his fingers burnt at the vote. He did by all accounts put on a superb show on
sports sound and has since then went about things quietly. This is why I think he’s just getting ready!

Would be really funny if they tried the legal route and SFA invoke the 5.1 rule!

Like you say tick tock


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[Jim44]

So that’s 3 if not 4 already.

Just get it done!


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We know that Doncaster, for whatever reasons, is often held in low esteem by all and sundry. But is he really stupid enough to ignore the views of 4 or 5 Premiership clubs?

[Aldo]

We know that Doncaster, for whatever reasons, is often held in low esteem by all and sundry. But is he really stupid enough to ignore the views of 4 or 5 Premiership clubs?

You would hope note but I think it maybe more than that!

If it actually gets to a vote!


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[Since452]

Budge ditching her own proposal and backing Rangers no hope proposal says everything really. Reconstruction isn't happening.

[Topographic Hibby]

I'm no legal eagle and I'll be honest and say I've only skimmed many of the posts here - Budge, kickback and co are making this very boring and rather tedious.

Apologies if this has been posted before, but let me get my head around this.

- SPFL are a membership body
- Hearts are members of SPFL
- if they take legal action against SPFL, they are partially (or 1/42) suing themselves

Ergo, the only way legal action could be allowed to proceed is if they resign from said membership body?

Or am I missing something? :confused:

[FilipinoHibs]

Budge ditching her own proposal and backing Rangers no hope proposal says everything really. Reconstruction isn't happening.

Get ready for the no reinstatement party😁

[Jim44]

I'm no legal eagle and I'll be honest and say I've only skimmed many of the posts here - Budge, kickback and co are making this very boring and rather tedious.

Apologies if this has been posted before, but let me get my head around this.

- SPFL are a membership body
- Hearts are members of SPFL
- if they take legal action against SPFL, they are partially (or 1/42) suing themselves

Ergo, the only way legal action could be allowed to proceed is if they resign from said membership body?

Or am I missing something? :confused:

I don’t know if this is a condition of taking such a legal action, but I’m sure I read a while ago, and noticed recent reference to it here, that it was an infringement of UEFA rules to take legal action against your association and open to sanctions.

[Jdawg]

I don’t know if this is a condition of taking such a legal action, but I’m sure I read a while ago, and noticed recent reference to it here, that it was an infringement of UEFA rules to take legal action against your association and open to sanctions.

It’s an SFA rule. Need to go to the Court of Arbitration or face actually being expelled.

[CropleyWasGod]

Things to remember

1. Its Keekboak and its located in a secure ward at the Royal Edinburgh.

2. No such "Executive" emergency provision exists in the articles of the SPFL.

3. The SPFL learned its lesson from the Dundee vote debacle

4. Doncaster is actually an employee playing a blinder reeling the Budgie in allowing her to close off all her options and alienating any sympathetic clubs by her pathetic antics.

5. The SPFL has the SFA clause 5.1.a up its sleeve to deal with any attempted court case, not to mention UEFA Atricle 7

6. The SPFL is a company limited by guarantee. It has 42 shareholders guaranteeing £1.00 each. Try getting £10m out of a dry stone.

7. They voted to end the season and to relegate themselves

8. They are broke and rapidly running out of superglue to stick their two brain cells together

9. Oh yeah and they chose to follow Hurtz so deserve no sympathy.

Minor point on 6, it's not a company Limited by Guarantee. It's Limited by Shares. The clubs each have 1 share.

[Jones28]

Is it over yet?

[Irish_Steve]

OK, playing Devil`s Advocate here with regards to the "Emergency Clause"

What makes us so sure that there isn`t one and the Jamboids think there is one - both sides are convinced that they are right

[Lago]

Bit off thread here but it just struck me that this is the perfect discussion for one of "nae nookies" erudite & detailed thoughts, but don't seem to have heard from him for some time, hopefully all is well.

[AT8]

I've not seen this mentioned before, but the fault for the uncertainty surrounding Scottish football lies with one club..........................Hibernian FC. If HoMFC came from a one club city, they would have accepted relegation and we could all move on. Their very existence is defined by Hibs and make no mistake, their crying and threats of legal action is all because they cannot accept that Hibs will be playing in the league above.

[Jim44]

OK, playing Devil`s Advocate here with regards to the "Emergency Clause"

What makes us so sure that there isn`t one and the Jamboids think there is one - both sides are convinced that they are right

Who knows, but I’m sure that our view is based on common sense and probability, whereas it’s wishful thinking on their part.

[Irish_Steve]

Who knows, but I’m sure that our view is based on common sense and probability, whereas it’s wishful thinking on their part.

To be honest, that`s not the answer I was after, I looking for facts not opinions.

[green day]

OK, playing Devil`s Advocate here with regards to the "Emergency Clause"

What makes us so sure that there isn`t one and the Jamboids think there is one - both sides are convinced that they are right
Because they also said the league couldn't be called when that detail is in the rules of the SPFL (easily obtainable).

They were wrong then too.

If this existed, then why has it not been mentioned by one of Budges pet journalists like Tom English or McLaughlin?

It's a fantasy.

[inglisavhibs]

Who knows, but I’m sure that our view is based on common sense and probability, whereas it’s wishful thinking on their part.
The rules are set out on the internet. Doncaster has said repeatedly that reconstruction is a matter for the clubs themselves. There is no written rule that allows the board to ignore this. We will find out soon enough but the clubs will not be in favour of re-construction. It’s never over till it’s over though.

[bingo70]

OK, playing Devil`s Advocate here with regards to the "Emergency Clause"

What makes us so sure that there isn`t one and the Jamboids think there is one - both sides are convinced that they are right

I think it’s because the rules are publicly available and nobody has been able to find this rule yet, not even on kickback.

You would think that someone in the media would have found it but if not you’d have thought someone of a maroon persuasion would be pointing to this clause.

Appears that the only person who knows about this rule is this kickback itk poster.

[Waxy]

Hearts eh, they always seem to think they are above the rules.

[greenginger]

OK, playing Devil`s Advocate here with regards to the "Emergency Clause"

What makes us so sure that there isn`t one and the Jamboids think there is one - both sides are convinced that they are right


Have anyone on kickback quoted the clause number, page, document , where this emergency clause is located ?

If not , why not ?

[Joe6-2]

Do we find out tomorrow?

[Irish_Steve]

OK, you`ve convinced me!

[Since452]

If there was an emergency clause, and it was about to be activated, the media would be all over it

[Waxy]

Emergency clause lol? Whats that?
Incase anyone doesnt like the rules you can break them in an emergency????

Can we just stop this?

[green day]

The hearts spangles are all over the Brechin statement as it says "if the Premiership clubs vote for a 14 team top division we will back it"

Because their chair is on the SPFL board they reckon that means it's a done deal.......

[Jim44]

Since when was a team being relegated an emergency?

[Peevemor]

As I've posted previously, the SPFL board had the power to call the league. They chose to hold a vote, probably to avoid whatever accusations would be thrown at them for doing so.

This doesn't fit with them now implementing an emergency clause (if it exists) which would contradict the express position of certain member clubs.

It's not happening!

[Ronniekirk]

I still cannot see the likes of Accies, St Mirren, RC, Well, Aberdeen or even us voting for this.
I also cannot see any emergency power being invoked (if there is one) to suit one team.

This now needs to be sorted and as soon as. It’s like we are going around the houses to get the result one team wants.

There is another theory. Doncaster is going through the motions covering as many bases as he can so if and that is a big if, Budge decides to go the legal route (still cannot see it) he has his ducks all lined up in a row!


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St Mirren don’t want it so if they vote yes then they have been got at


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[Ronniekirk]

I’m not disagreeing with you but playing devils advocate, Hearts fans are saying the vote isn’t needed as some emergency clause is being invoked.

Doesn’t seem right to me but the silence from the majority of premier league clubs is worrying me. I just get the feeling something is brewing.

So why does no one except Hearts fans know about this clause
If it exists it ministry be written down in a document which must be on line so why has no one produced a copy of it


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[007]

Have anyone on kickback quoted the clause number, page, document , where this emergency clause is located ?

If not , why not ?

(If you can't be bothered reading all this post or looking back and forth through the Rules and Articles of Association then just go straight to Article 104 Clause 1 (page 32) of the Articles of Association, this is the forced reconstruction deal breaker IMO. See 3rd screen grab below).

Asked a Jambo to tell me the rule which allowed Doncaster and co to enforce reconstruction and he told me they could change Rules C4, C5 and C6 (page 31 of the Rules) and that it says so in Articles of Association.

Here's where you can see the Rules and the Articles of Association.

https://spfl.co.uk/pages/rules-and-regulations

My reading of it is that Article 62, Clause 4 of the Articles of Association (page 19) refers to C1, C2 and C3 (and other rules but not C4, C5 and C6) requiring a Qualified Resolution to change them (i.e. 90% of Premiership clubs to vote in favour, 75% Championship and 75% League 1 and 2).

However, Article 64, Clause 1 (also page 19) basically says other rule changes (which will include C4, C5 and C6) that don't require a Qualified Resolution will require an Ordinary Resolution (i.e. 75% of Premiership clubs to vote in favour as well as 75% Championship and 75% League 1 and 2).

See pages 8 and 9 of the Articles of Assoc. for definitions of an Ordinary and a Qualified Resolution.

Looking at the Powers of the Board (Articles 102 and 103 on pages 31 and 32), 103.9 sounds like the board can change any rule they like however it says at 103 it is subject to Article 104. 104.1 (typo calls it 100.1) says the board shall not determine a Reserved Matter without the prior approval of the required percentage(s).

Looking back at Articles 62 and 64 (page 19), these are Reserved Matters.

Am I missing something? The 75% or 90% Premiership votes thing has been debated weeks ago around 42 or 44 teams in total / changes to prize money.

The Powers of the Board bit is clear to me that the board cannot reconstruct without a vote. I haven't read the rest of the rules but there's certainly not going to be a rule that contradicts 104.1 (if there were any exclusions it would have said "subject to Article X" at the start of Article 104, the same way Article 103 says "subject to Article 104").

As far as I'm concerned Article 104, Clause 1 means reconstruction cannot be forced through without a vote (not even on a technicality with the typo) so to keep it nice and simple for the Jambos just say "Article 104, Clause 1". 😀

Would be good to hear who agrees or disagrees with this.

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If I am right, I'd guess they can't use the argument in court that the SPFL board could have forced reconstruction but chose not to. Instead, reconstruction failed because nothing could be agreed via the normal process of making such changes. In fact, as far as we know, there hasn't been a resolution put forward for the clubs to be voted on. The board have done what they can to get enough support for it. There was nothing to stop Hearts putting forward a proposal as a Member's Resolution (if they could get 2 others to support it) to be voted on. They haven't as yet so if they try to go after specific clubs (like Leslie Deans suggested) for blocking reconstruction, arguably nobody's blocked it because it hasn't gone to a vote.

[Joe6-2]

Good work 007!

[SouthMoroccoStu]

If there was an emergency clause, and it was about to be activated, the media would be all over it

It’s such an emergency it’s only taken 7-8 weeks to action...

So do we finally put this nonsense to bed today?!

[Broken Gnome]

The Times says....



The Scottish Professional Football League will move to finally draw a line under the Premiership season — and confirm Hearts’ relegation — after two proposals for league reconstruction fail to secure the necessary support over the next 24 hours.

The governing body will hold a board meeting tomorrow morning and the chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is expected to discourage any further talk of reconstruction for the coming campaign, and send a message that the focus now must be on planning for a 12-team top tier to start on August 1.

[theonlywayisup]

The Times says....

Cheers!

Re the "the governing body will hold a board meeting tomorrow morning and the chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is expected to discourage any further talk of reconstruction for the coming campaign" bit, is "tomorrow morning" today or tomorrow. I realise that could be seen as an incredibly stupid question, but my brain is mince reading all the twists and turns.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Cheers!

Re the "the governing body will hold a board meeting tomorrow morning and the chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is expected to discourage any further talk of reconstruction for the coming campaign" bit, is "tomorrow morning" today or tomorrow. I realise that could be seen as an incredibly stupid question, but my brain is mince reading all the twists and turns.

I think it means today

Any idea when we find out the court date?!

[Broken Gnome]

Cheers!

Re the "the governing body will hold a board meeting tomorrow morning and the chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is expected to discourage any further talk of reconstruction for the coming campaign" bit, is "tomorrow morning" today or tomorrow. I realise that could be seen as an incredibly stupid question, but my brain is mince reading all the twists and turns.

It'll mean tomorrow, it's in today's paper.

[JimBHibees]

Sure I heard or read something about the meeting being Wednesday. Time for this to finally be put to bed.

[Heisenberg]

The Times says....

The Championship is going to a 27 game season starting in October so Hearts will have a league to play in. No reason for them to get out of it now.

[JimBHibees]

Interesting comments from Roy McGregor at Ross county. Always think he speaks well and sensibly.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1270015227224940544

[SouthMoroccoStu]

It'll mean tomorrow, it's in today's paper.

Genuinely thought the meeting was today

[SouthMoroccoStu]

The Championship is going to a 27 game season starting in October so Hearts will have a league to play in. No reason for them to get out of it now.

And they normally win the league by October so it’ll be a piece of cake for them

[bingo70]

Genuinely thought the meeting was today

There is definitely a meeting today. I think clubs were given to today to think about the new proposal with it being discussed at today’s zoom call. Vote may be tomorrow but sure there is something going on today.

[cocteautwin]

The Times says....

That Times article also states:

"The situation in the three lower divisions is particularly affected by the likely £2 million windfall from the businessman and benefactor, James Anderson. Unless there are any setbacks that gift is likely to land with the SPFL in the course of this week".

I reckon Anderson finds himself an extra £2m out of pocket due to Budge's attempt to bribe the league and then the back track to say there was no strings attached. Must be close to £17m now that his involvement with HMFC has cost him. Comedy material.

[FilipinoHibs]

There is definitely a meeting today. I think clubs were given to today to think about the new proposal with it being discussed at today’s zoom call. Vote may be tomorrow but sure there is something going on today.
There is a board meeting scheduled for Wednesday morning. That fits in with clubs having to report feedback by 5pm Tuesday.

[Skol]

They seem pretty certain that Mr Factor will fund their court case. I just wonder if such a wonderful generous guy really wants to be bankrolling that type of thing.

[Dibben]

They seem pretty certain that Mr Factor will fund their court case. I just wonder if such a wonderful generous guy really wants to be bankrolling that type of thing.

Best bit about all the Hearts fans talking about a court case is no-one seems to consider what happens if they lose!

[JeMeSouviens]

So who to believe, The Times or some ******** on kickback? :hmmm:

[Since452]

Realisation setting in on Kickback

[bingo70]

Best bit about all the Hearts fans talking about a court case is no-one seems to consider what happens if they lose!

Or who it is they are suing.

[CB_NO3]

They are putting all their hopes on Saughton Jambo who apparently owns a Murrayfield roofing business or something all because he posted a fake picture as an investor.

[brog]

Realisation setting in on Kickback

5 words you won't see very often! :greengrin

[Peevemor]

The guy David McCaig on Brokeback is a total clown


Alternatively he has to go to court and explain why an organisation with a duty of care to all members is placing its financial losses squarely on the shoulders of one club.


He would have to explain in court exactly what happened in the run up to the initial vote.


He would to have to justify why the SPFL Board didn't use its Executive powers to remedy the situation given that whilst a vote is required to change the number of clubs in the League. The relevant rules on numbers of divisions and size of each division C4-C6 do not require a member vote and therefore fall within the remit of SPFL Board powers (point 98 onwards of articles of association).


The SPFL would not have a leg to stand on in court and on top of potential damages in excess of £7m there would be a real danger of an interdict delaying the start of next season and forcing a default on the new Sky deal.


How big are NDs balls?


Could he be more wrong? He seems to forget that HMFC are 1/42nd of the SPFL - that the board has a duty to all clubs (and that decisions made are for the good of the majority) and that Doncater is a salaried manager/administrator.

[Heisenberg]

£7m 😂 This boy is at it!

[Sammy7nil]

Realisation setting in on Kickback

I really don't think it is, there will be shock and hysteria if there is no reconstruction. They will expect the Budgie to be banging the court door with her crack QC team within 2 minutes of the decision. If that does not happen there will be a complete meltdown.

[Bostonhibby]

So who to believe, The Times or some ******** on kickback? :hmmm:Kiwidug has already confirmed they won't be relegated although it's already happened, and they'll win the Legal case, so long as all the other clubs except Hearts celtc and sevco haven't gone bust before the court follows the Dug's directions.

I'm surprised the Times missed that.

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[007]

The guy David McCaigon Brokeback is a total clown

"Alternatively he has to go to court and explain why an organisation with a duty of care to all members is placing its financial losses squarely on the shoulders of one club.


He would have to explain in court exactly what happened in the run up to the initial vote.


He would to have to justify why the SPFL Board didn't use its Executive powers to remedy the situation given that whilst a vote is required to change the number of clubs in the League. The relevant rules on numbers of divisions and size of each division C4-C6 do not require a member vote and therefore fall within the remit of SPFL Board powers (point 98 onwards of articles of association).


The SPFL would not have a leg to stand on in court and on top of potential damages in excess of £7m there would be a real danger of an interdict delaying the start of next season and forcing a default on the new Sky deal.


How big are NDs balls?"

Could he be more wrong? He seems to forget that HMFC are 1/42nd of the SPFL - that the board has a duty to all clubs (and that decisions made are for the good of the majority) and that Doncater is a salaried manager/administrator.

He maybe didn't read as far as Article 104, Clause 1.
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?346044-NO-to-reconstruction&p=6197502&viewfull=1#post6197502

Plus, I think even Ann Budge has ditched Leslie Deans' duty of care angle. Her last chat was around restriction of trade.

[Bostonhibby]

They are putting all their hopes on Saughton Jambo who apparently owns a Murrayfield roofing business or something all because he posted a fake picture as an investor.If he's that loaded, You'd think he'd maybe have offered to stick a wee roof on their alfresco press "suite"?

It'll be raining again when their season starts in October and the press umbrellas aren't really the answer.

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[blackpoolhibs]

Am i the only person here, who is not worried one jot about them and their weird fans thinking there is some sort of clause that willsave them?

They probably believe in santa clause too.

Each and every one of these views on reconstruction are worse than what we currently have, and there is not a hope in hells chance enough members of this league and leagues will vote it through.

Getting back to santa and xmas, turkeys dont vote for xmas.

Yes it is taking its time, but remember the gimps have been relegated, they are already down.

Doncaster is just making sure he does not **** it up like he did with the team that died.

And again, remember, they are relegated. :greengrin

[007]

Cheers!

Re the "the governing body will hold a board meeting tomorrow morning and the chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is expected to discourage any further talk of reconstruction for the coming campaign" bit, is "tomorrow morning" today or tomorrow. I realise that could be seen as an incredibly stupid question, but my brain is mince reading all the twists and turns.

Maybe he's saving the bit about him enforcing reconstruction until the next day.

[Jim44]

One muppet’s two penny worth - A number of CEOs have colluded to reject reconstruction in order to force a court case to get new leadership in the SPFL. :greengrin

[Since452]

Am i the only person here, who is not worried one jot about them and their weird fans thinking there is some sort of clause that willsave them?

They probably believe in santa clause too.

Each and every one of these views on reconstruction are worse than what we currently have, and there is not a hope in hells chance enough members of this league and leagues will vote it through.

Getting back to santa and xmas, turkeys dont vote for xmas.

Yes it is taking its time, but remember the gimps have been relegated, they are already down.

Doncaster is just making sure he does not **** it up like he did with the team that died.

And again, remember, they are relegated. :greengrin

I'm not either. They are relegated. They aren't going to be invited to play in a reconstructed Premiership. It isn't happening. The longer Budge drags it on the more detrimental it's becoming to Hearts. If she'd accepted their fate weeks ago they would have been well down the road in planning for next season by now. Pleasing as they say.

[calumhibee1]

£7m 😂 This boy is at it!

That’s a huge drop from the £20m they were talking about last week.

[Bostonhibby]

Am i the only person here, who is not worried one jot about them and their weird fans thinking there is some sort of clause that willsave them?

They probably believe in santa clause too.

Each and every one of these views on reconstruction are worse than what we currently have, and there is not a hope in hells chance enough members of this league and leagues will vote it through.

Getting back to santa and xmas, turkeys dont vote for xmas.

Yes it is taking its time, but remember the gimps have been relegated, they are already down.

Doncaster is just making sure he does not **** it up like he did with the team that died.

And again, remember, they are relegated. :greengrinNope, I agree with you. Either that or Kiwidug has been right all along[emoji23]

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[GlesgaeHibby]

Kiwidug has already confirmed they won't be relegated although it's already happened, and they'll win the Legal case, so long as all the other clubs except Hearts celtc and sevco haven't gone bust before the court follows the Dug's directions.

I'm surprised the Times missed that.

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Kiwidoug is a clown. Yesterday he posted that "Null and void was the only solution which had integrity" and that "No one will ever convince me I'm wrong".

A few posts later somebody reminded him the SPFL could have paused the season, and re-started, to which he replied:

"Completely forgot about that. Best option of the lot."

:faf:

[Sammy7nil]

I'm not either. They are relegated. They aren't going to be invited to play in a reconstructed Premiership. It isn't happening. The longer Budge drags it on the more detrimental it's becoming to Hearts. If she'd accepted their fate weeks ago they would have been well down the road in planning for next season by now. Pleasing as they say.

TBF they have until October to plan.:aok:

[Ozyhibby]

She would be better spending her time rebuilding the football side of their business. They have no manager, director of football or head of recruitment. Their squad is full of players who have failed, the fans hate them but they are all still under contract so will be hard to move on in the current climate. They are also not happy bunch after being forced to take pay cuts publicly and bring hung out to dry by the club captain who sided with management against them.
I would say that there appears to be a lot of work to be done there and spending the summer fantasising about getting back in the prem through a legal case would be wasting valuable time.


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[Ozyhibby]

TBF they have until October to plan.:aok:

It will be difficult to sign players that late though. Although windows will remain open, I’m sure the pick of out of contract players will want sorted out before then. So they will be after left overs.


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[we are hibs]

So they'll finally be flushed away on Wednesday morning but it shouldnt be forgotten how badly they dealt with this both as a club and support. From legal threats, attempts at bribery and chucking accusations at everyone and anyone to sooking up the big huns ***** (as usual), throwing numerous reconstruction proposals forward to be rejected and wanting meetings about meetings about another meeting about a vote. Hearts fans threatening to boycott everyone because "ITZ NO FAIR" and believing the highest calibre of roasters in their support and in the media that it would all be okay and they were in the right and the world would suffer because of the way they treated the world famous Heart of Midlothian.



And in the end all thats left to be said is get the **** down and stay there.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Think it was unanimous? Is this not the minutes Aberdeen took and had to amend?

Aberdeens original minute stated consensus however the more switched on ie Doncaster insisted that the term unanimous was used, because that is what the vote was, to ensure there was a back stop to use in case the maroon balloon decided to go down the court route.

[Irish_Steve]

Here`s Dug*****`s latest:

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There is an air of resignation that the establishment clubs have agreed reconstruction with the SPFL which will be announced. The clubs outside the OF, Aberdeen and Hearts will be told to like it or lump it.

[Since452]

It will be difficult to sign players that late though. Although windows will remain open, I’m sure the pick of out of contract players will want sorted out before then. So they will be after left overs.


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Yup. No big games for them this time in the Championship. No Hibs, Rangers or even Dundee United. I'm sure players will be queuing around Tynecastle to join them.

[Sammy7nil]

1 hour ago, alicante jambo said:
Mate they are obsessed with Hearts. Got a thread going on we love st mirren. Another stoater is the eejit who had covid and was coming in and out of his coma and only thinking about the cup semi against us not thinking about seeing his family or friends. The numerous posts on how many would want a refund if we were reinstated to the premier. It will be one massive lockdown over on fester .net if recon happens.



I genuinely believe some will be tipped over the edge and won't recover.



Football rivalry is one thing, I can't stand Hibs or their fans, but the frenzied hatred some have for Hearts on .nut is borderline sinister.


Funny how people see thinks differently this is from people who call Hibs fans vermin .

[Since452]

1 hour ago, alicante jambo said:
Mate they are obsessed with Hearts. Got a thread going on we love st mirren. Another stoater is the eejit who had covid and was coming in and out of his coma and only thinking about the cup semi against us not thinking about seeing his family or friends. The numerous posts on how many would want a refund if we were reinstated to the premier. It will be one massive lockdown over on fester .net if recon happens.



I genuinely believe some will be tipped over the edge and won't recover.



Football rivalry is one thing, I can't stand Hibs or their fans, but the frenzied hatred some have for Hearts on .nut is borderline sinister.


Funny how people see thinks differently this is from people who call Hibs fans vermin .

He's correct. I do hate Hearts.

[Sammy7nil]

He's correct. I do hate Hearts.

Are you obsessed with them, will on be tipped over the edge never to recover ?

[mal]

Yup. No big games for them this time in the Championship. No Hibs, Rangers or even Dundee United. I'm sure players will be queuing around Tynecastle to join them.

On the plus side, only 27 games so quite an attractive option if you're a bit past it and looking to pick up a decent wage packet at a lower level without exerting yourself too much.

[Since452]

Are you obsessed with them, will on be tipped over the edge never to recover ?

That's true. I've got the Samaritans number to hand just incase.

[hibbyfraelibby]

It'll mean tomorrow, it's in today's paper.

The deadline for emaila is today 5pm. Doncaster then prepares a briefing for the SPFL Board and makes a formal announcement on Wednesday am.

[Springbank]

1 hour ago, alicante jambo said:
Mate they are obsessed with Hearts. Got a thread going on we love st mirren. Another stoater is the eejit who had covid and was coming in and out of his coma and only thinking about the cup semi against us not thinking about seeing his family or friends. The numerous posts on how many would want a refund if we were reinstated to the premier. It will be one massive lockdown over on fester .net if recon happens.



I genuinely believe some will be tipped over the edge and won't recover.



Football rivalry is one thing, I can't stand Hibs or their fans, but the frenzied hatred some have for Hearts on .nut is borderline sinister.


Funny how people see thinks differently this is from people who call Hibs fans vermin .

I mean, imagine a football fan, using football, as a motivation to get through a killer illness....

[JohnMcM]

Are you obsessed with them, will on be tipped over the edge never to recover ?

I've rented a 12th storey Bulgarian balcony to jump off if reconstruction happens. Is there anyone on here who will solo clap as I plummet?

[Greenworld]

The Times says....
They are putting all their hopes on Saughton Jambo who apparently owns a Murrayfield roofing business or something all because he posted a fake picture as an investor.That is pleasing i thing a statue should pulled down in honor of him. As this seems to be the new way

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[Bostonhibby]

1 hour ago, alicante jambo said:
Mate they are obsessed with Hearts. Got a thread going on we love st mirren. Another stoater is the eejit who had covid and was coming in and out of his coma and only thinking about the cup semi against us not thinking about seeing his family or friends. The numerous posts on how many would want a refund if we were reinstated to the premier. It will be one massive lockdown over on fester .net if recon happens.



I genuinely believe some will be tipped over the edge and won't recover.



Football rivalry is one thing, I can't stand Hibs or their fans, but the frenzied hatred some have for Hearts on .nut is borderline sinister.


Funny how people see thinks differently this is from people who call Hibs fans vermin .There's a level, just below that of plankton, where they can't tell when everyone is having a laugh precisely because of the absurdity of statements like this guys and similar.

If Hearts weren't where they are because of their own efforts and excesses and their thicker posters weren't given the oxygen of publicity they get on Kickback we wouldn't have the material to work with. Shooting fish in a barrel.

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[EI255]

1 hour ago, alicante jambo said:
Mate they are obsessed with Hearts. Got a thread going on we love st mirren. Another stoater is the eejit who had covid and was coming in and out of his coma and only thinking about the cup semi against us not thinking about seeing his family or friends. The numerous posts on how many would want a refund if we were reinstated to the premier. It will be one massive lockdown over on fester .net if recon happens.



I genuinely believe some will be tipped over the edge and won't recover.



Football rivalry is one thing, I can't stand Hibs or their fans, but the frenzied hatred some have for Hearts on .nut is borderline sinister.


Funny how people see thinks differently this is from people who call Hibs fans vermin .He's wrong. It's not frenzied hatred. It's PURE frenzied hatred!!!! Always will be my pal.

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[04Sauzee]

And so it goes on.

kila kila

Posted 16 minutes ago
The Times article doesn’t mention the 14-10-10-10 put to them by Doncaster.



Budge’s proposal will fail as clubs won’t vote it through. Doncaster will say 14-14-14/16/18 not doable. The board will then force through a 14 team top flight.



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[Since452]

I really hope they make a follow up documentary next season. Will add a bit of showbiz and razzmatazz to the Championship with the cameras turning up to the Indodrill stadium etc.

[FilipinoHibs]

He's wrong. It's not frenzied hatred. It's PURE frenzied hatred!!!! Always will be my pal.

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What is there not to hate: Mercer takeover, 17 & 22 in a row, 4-0 & 5-0. All on other peoole's money. They are everything that is wrong about Edunurgh; establishment pompous cliques full of dislike for anyone not like them. Homophobic, racust and bigoted.

[Jim44]

23545

Graphic description of Kickback activity and Jambo bravado and cockiness of the last few hours:

https://images.app.goo.gl/B8RbhAciU5T3sUGQ6

[SideBurns]

What is there not to hate: Mercer takeover, 17 & 22 in a row, 4-0 & 5-0. All on other peoole's money. They are everything that is wrong about Edunurgh; establishment pompous cliques full of dislike for anyone not like them. Homophobic, racust and bigoted.

I have to say: the vast majority of jambos I know (family & friends) aren't "homophobic, racist and bigoted". I don't think the club can be accused of fitting any of those categories either.

There is a minority who are desperate to live up to the 'Diet Hun' tag, and they are an embarrassment. Most Hearts fans I know can't stand them.

My problem with Hearts is their constant sense of entitlement, blinkered view of their own importance, and lack of awareness regarding their actual standing in football (one of the biggest clubs in Scotland, outside the Old Firm, along with ourselves and Aberdeen - but no higher than that). It has been borne out by this farcical desperation to hold onto their premier league status at any cost.

But the adjectives you use to describe them are ones I'd say would be more accurately applied to The Huns rather than Hearts.

[vuefrom1875]

1 hour ago, alicante jambo said:
Mate they are obsessed with Hearts. Got a thread going on we love st mirren. Another stoater is the eejit who had covid and was coming in and out of his coma and only thinking about the cup semi against us not thinking about seeing his family or friends. The numerous posts on how many would want a refund if we were reinstated to the premier. It will be one massive lockdown over on fester .net if recon happens.



I genuinely believe some will be tipped over the edge and won't recover.



Football rivalry is one thing, I can't stand Hibs or their fans, but the frenzied hatred some have for Hearts on .nut is borderline sinister.


Funny how people see thinks differently this is from people who call Hibs fans vermin .
Enjoy the championship ya roaster☘☘☘

[Heisenberg]

And so it goes on.

kila kila

Posted 16 minutes ago
The Times article doesn’t mention the 14-10-10-10 put to them by Doncaster.



Budge’s proposal will fail as clubs won’t vote it through. Doncaster will say 14-14-14/16/18 not doable. The board will then force through a 14 team top flight.



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The 14-10-10-10 setup changes the number of teams in the league and requires a vote. They are clutching at so many straws and missing them all. I’m quite happy to trust the Times article is correct and Doncaster is going to shut down reconstruction on Wednesday.

[Irish_Steve]

Saughton Jambo says he hear`s the vote is 10-2 lol

[04Sauzee]

Saughton Jambo says he hear`s the vote is 10-2 lol

At least he has some t-shirts to sell 😅😅

[Sammy7nil]

I've rented a 12th storey Bulgarian balcony to jump off if reconstruction happens. Is there anyone on here who will solo clap as I plummet?

If I can get a flight i will see what I can do :wink:

[SouthMoroccoStu]

23545

Graphic description of Kickback activity and Jambo bravado and cockiness of the last few hours:

https://images.app.goo.gl/B8RbhAciU5T3sUGQ6

I, for one, am delighted it'll be ALL HIBS FAULT when they spend a season, at least, in the championship

[bingo70]

Saughton Jambo says he hear`s the vote is 10-2 lol

Sorry, I’ve lost track of the numbers a bit recently.

Is it 9-3 or 11-1 they need this time round?

[04Sauzee]

Sorry, I’ve lost track of the numbers a bit recently.

Is it 9-3 or 11-1 they need this time round?

Tbh didn't think there was a vote, but and today's meeting is the lower leagues? I'm confused

And when it's voting time is it not 11-1 with 75% of lower leagues

[calumhibee1]

Sorry, I’ve lost track of the numbers a bit recently.

Is it 9-3 or 11-1 they need this time round?

11-1.

Although they’ll not need that. Emergency, Doncaster’s just going to change the leagues anyway, award Hearts FORTY MILLION for the inconvenience etc.

[Heisenberg]

Tbh didn't think there was a vote, but and today's meeting is the lower leagues? I'm confused

Yeah it’s just league one/two giving their opinions. There is no actual vote taking place. The Premiership/Championship had a meeting on Friday to do the same. Saughton Jambo is talking *****.

[Irish_Steve]

Yeah it’s just league one/two giving their opinions. There is no actual vote taking place. The Premiership/Championship had a meeting on Friday to do the same. Saughton Jambo is talking *****.

Yeah, I didnt think there was a vote either but why let facts get in the road when you are trying to big yourself up amongst your fellow maroon mutants

[tamig]

I mean, imagine a football fan, using football, as a motivation to get through a killer illness....

You should feel honoured sir 😀

[Irish_Steve]

OK, playing Devil`s Advocate here with regards to the "Emergency Clause"

What makes us so sure that there isn`t one and the Jamboids think there is one - both sides are convinced that they are right

And here is the maroon version - anyone more clever than me wanna dissect this?

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The SPFL Board can decide anything apart from reserved matters.



The reserved matters are as follows:



C1 - Each club has a 1/42 share in the company

C2 - Any club ceasing to play in the league relinquishes its share

C3 - the league shall consist of 42 clubs

C42 - the league shall not commence prior to 31 July in any calendar year

C43 - the company will not operate any homegrown players rule or salary/squad/u21 cap

G16 - their must be 11 players in a team and a team sheet 75 mins prior to kick off etc.....

Section I - Commercial, Broadcast and Sponsorship

[JeMeSouviens]

Yeah it’s just league one/two giving their opinions. There is no actual vote taking place. The Premiership/Championship had a meeting on Friday to do the same. Saughton Jambo is talking *****.

There is no actual plan to vote on, they're still just kicking around ideas. Eventually someone has to call time and we can move on to the delights of the court case.

Sadly, in reality even Dr Mrs Budge isn't daft enough to go for that, so I think we're pinning our hopes on Leslie Deans and the sickbag fighting fund :aok: They'll not let us down. :greengrin

[Scooter]

Apparently the championship is going to be a shorter season
Did hearts not promise a minimum amount of games for buying a season ticket

[04Sauzee]

Apparently the championship is going to be a shorter season
Did hearts not promise a minimum amount of games for buying a season ticket

Indeedn they did, promised a full season 18/19 games

[Heisenberg]

And here is the maroon version - anyone more clever than me wanna dissect this?

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The SPFL Board can decide anything apart from reserved matters.



The reserved matters are as follows:



C1 - Each club has a 1/42 share in the company

C2 - Any club ceasing to play in the league relinquishes its share

C3 - the league shall consist of 42 clubs

C42 - the league shall not commence prior to 31 July in any calendar year

C43 - the company will not operate any homegrown players rule or salary/squad/u21 cap

G16 - their must be 11 players in a team and a team sheet 75 mins prior to kick off etc.....

Section I - Commercial, Broadcast and Sponsorship

If the above is correct and the league can shift the clubs about into a different structure why haven’t they taken control and done it by now? It’s not happening no matter how much this boy tries to believe it. The top league and Championship (albeit with less games) can be played by the sounds of it. No reason to change the top league to 14 without going to a vote of the member clubs.

[Peevemor]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/vital-day-hearts-owner-ann-budges-league-reconstruction-plan-2878447

Vital day for Hearts owner Ann Budge's league reconstruction plan
Neil Doncaster to gather thoughts from all four divisions
By Barry Anderson
Tuesday, 9th June 2020, 7:40 am


Hearts owner Ann Budge should learn later today whether clubs want to progress her league construction plan, but the proposal is struggling to gain enough support.


Neil Doncaster, chief executive of the Scottish Professional Football League, has asked chairmen across the country to indicate this afternoon whether they will back Budge’s idea for three divisions of 14 teams.


She has said her ‘discussion paper’ is flexible and can be amended, with a 14-14-16 system also possible. So far, a number of clubs in the Scottish Championship, League One and League Two have been reluctant to get behind the plan.


Doncaster wants to assess whether there is enough support before putting the idea to a vote. Hearts are awaiting the outcome knowing Budge’s revamp would save them from relegation.


If it is to move forward, the proposal would need 11 of 12 Premiership teams to formally vote for it, plus eight in the Championship and 15 out of 20 across League One and League Two.


Budge’s restructure would see Hearts reinstated to the Premiership following their enforced relegation to the Championship. Inverness Caledonian Thistle would also make the step up from the second tier.


Partick Thistle would also avoid relegation by remaining in the second tier, which would be expanded to 14 teams.


Stranraer would be in the third, a division which have the option to expand to 16 teams to include the Highland League winners Brora Rangers and Lowland League champions Kelty Hearts.


The proposal, if voted through, would take effect this summer and remain in place for two years before being reviewed in 2022.


Budge is aware many of Scotland’s lower-league clubs feel they cannot afford to play closed-door games without income from crowds during the coronavirus pandemic.


That could have a serious impact on next season’s fixtures and she has attempted to plan for such a possibility.


She wrote in her paper: “The proposed changes, creating three bigger leagues, means that if, unfortunately, some clubs cannot see a way to play this season, there will hopefully be sufficient clubs in each League to allow the season to go ahead, albeit in a modified form. Maximum flexibility is crucial.”

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Saughton Jambo says he hear`s the vote is 10-2 lol

He used all his fingers to count that

[brog]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/vital-day-hearts-owner-ann-budges-league-reconstruction-plan-2878447

Vital day for Hearts owner Ann Budge's league reconstruction plan
Neil Doncaster to gather thoughts from all four divisions
By Barry Anderson
Tuesday, 9th June 2020, 7:40 am


Hearts owner Ann Budge should learn later today whether clubs want to progress her league construction plan, but the proposal is struggling to gain enough support.


Neil Doncaster, chief executive of the Scottish Professional Football League, has asked chairmen across the country to indicate this afternoon whether they will back Budge’s idea for three divisions of 14 teams.


She has said her ‘discussion paper’ is flexible and can be amended, with a 14-14-16 system also possible. So far, a number of clubs in the Scottish Championship, League One and League Two have been reluctant to get behind the plan.


Doncaster wants to assess whether there is enough support before putting the idea to a vote. Hearts are awaiting the outcome knowing Budge’s revamp would save them from relegation.


If it is to move forward, the proposal would need 11 of 12 Premiership teams to formally vote for it, plus eight in the Championship and 15 out of 20 across League One and League Two.


Budge’s restructure would see Hearts reinstated to the Premiership following their enforced relegation to the Championship. Inverness Caledonian Thistle would also make the step up from the second tier.


Partick Thistle would also avoid relegation by remaining in the second tier, which would be expanded to 14 teams.


Stranraer would be in the third, a division which have the option to expand to 16 teams to include the Highland League winners Brora Rangers and Lowland League champions Kelty Hearts.


The proposal, if voted through, would take effect this summer and remain in place for two years before being reviewed in 2022.


Budge is aware many of Scotland’s lower-league clubs feel they cannot afford to play closed-door games without income from crowds during the coronavirus pandemic.


That could have a serious impact on next season’s fixtures and she has attempted to plan for such a possibility.


She wrote in her paper: “The proposed changes, creating three bigger leagues, means that if, unfortunately, some clubs cannot see a way to play this season, there will hopefully be sufficient clubs in each League to allow the season to go ahead, albeit in a modified form. Maximum flexibility is crucial.”


So what happened to the 5 year proposal & the big Hun proposal? Effectively this is same as before which didn't even go to a vote! Not even Banderson can put a positive spin on this!!

[Irish_Steve]

If the above is correct and the league can shift the clubs about into a different structure why haven’t they taken control and done it by now? It’s not happening no matter how much this boy tries to believe it. The top league and Championship (albeit with less games) can be played by the sounds of it. No reason to change the top league to 14 without going to a vote of the member clubs.

He`s adamant that the board can force reconstruction if the size of the leagues (42) stays the same - no idea if that is correct or not

[MrSmith]

11-1.

Although they’ll not need that. Emergency, Doncaster’s just going to change the leagues anyway, award Hearts FORTY MILLION for the inconvenience etc.

Should that not be £400,000, 000?

[Broken Gnome]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/vital-day-hearts-owner-ann-budges-league-reconstruction-plan-2878447

Vital day for Hearts owner Ann Budge's league reconstruction plan
Neil Doncaster to gather thoughts from all four divisions
By Barry Anderson
Tuesday, 9th June 2020, 7:40 am


Hearts owner Ann Budge should learn later today whether clubs want to progress her league construction plan, but the proposal is struggling to gain enough support.


Neil Doncaster, chief executive of the Scottish Professional Football League, has asked chairmen across the country to indicate this afternoon whether they will back Budge’s idea for three divisions of 14 teams.


She has said her ‘discussion paper’ is flexible and can be amended, with a 14-14-16 system also possible. So far, a number of clubs in the Scottish Championship, League One and League Two have been reluctant to get behind the plan.


Doncaster wants to assess whether there is enough support before putting the idea to a vote. Hearts are awaiting the outcome knowing Budge’s revamp would save them from relegation.


If it is to move forward, the proposal would need 11 of 12 Premiership teams to formally vote for it, plus eight in the Championship and 15 out of 20 across League One and League Two.


Budge’s restructure would see Hearts reinstated to the Premiership following their enforced relegation to the Championship. Inverness Caledonian Thistle would also make the step up from the second tier.


Partick Thistle would also avoid relegation by remaining in the second tier, which would be expanded to 14 teams.


Stranraer would be in the third, a division which have the option to expand to 16 teams to include the Highland League winners Brora Rangers and Lowland League champions Kelty Hearts.


The proposal, if voted through, would take effect this summer and remain in place for two years before being reviewed in 2022.


Budge is aware many of Scotland’s lower-league clubs feel they cannot afford to play closed-door games without income from crowds during the coronavirus pandemic.


That could have a serious impact on next season’s fixtures and she has attempted to plan for such a possibility.


She wrote in her paper: “The proposed changes, creating three bigger leagues, means that if, unfortunately, some clubs cannot see a way to play this season, there will hopefully be sufficient clubs in each League to allow the season to go ahead, albeit in a modified form. Maximum flexibility is crucial.”

Is that not totally missing the main point, in that all the focus is on Rangers' deal now?

[Peevemor]

He`s adamant that the board can force reconstruction if the size of the leagues (42) stays the same - no idea if that is correct or not

It's irrelevant whether they can, because they won't.

[Forza Fred]

What I find hilarious out of all this is that if the cretins on Keekback are correct in their assertion that The Benefactor has guaranteed to pay Hearts legal costs, is this...

Should they lose, costs will be awarded to the SPFL.and the Benefactor will have to pay them.

Should they win however, the SPFL will have to pay Hearts costs, and they will likely raise that money by a levy on all 42 clubs.

The only way many of the lower league clubs could pay their share is by using part of the promised gift from the Benefactor!


Hooray for the Benefactor...😂

[Irish_Steve]

It's irrelevant whether they can, because they won't.

That`s what I was trying to find out earlier, if the board actually can.

[Jim44]

What I find hilarious out of all this is that if the cretins on Keekback are correct in their assertion that The Benefactor has guaranteed to pay Hearts legal costs, is this...

Should they lose, costs will be awarded to the SPFL.and the Benefactor will have to pay them.

Should they win however, the SPFL will have to pay Hearts costs, and they will likely raise that money by a levy on all 42 clubs.

The only way many of the lower league clubs could pay their share is by using part of the promised gift from the Benefactor!


Hooray for the Benefactor...😂

Maybe that was his plan was all along.

[Bobby's Cinema]

This is painful.

[we are hibs]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hearts-moves-for-change-doomed-lz3zpf8jp

[Skol]

So they are suing themselves

[Irish_Steve]

So they are suing themselves

And gonna win £7m lol


and here`s his working`s out

£3m loss to Hearts in a normal season. Truncated season exacerbates this cost even further. Successful case = costs to Hearts but costs obviously incurred by SPFL. If restraint of trade applies to Hearts it applies equally to Partick and Stranraer (albeit at a lesser cost)



This is before you consider dangers to SPFL of Hearts seeking an interdict to delay the start of SPL season, in which the Sky deal defaults and Scottish Football face a mass extinction event.



Now just imagine you are on the SPFL Board of Directors and have the executive power to make this all go away simply by making a zero detriment decision. Where do your responsibilities as a director lie?

[oldbutdim]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hearts-moves-for-change-doomed-lz3zpf8jp

Paywall alert!

:wink:

[Renfrew_Hibby]

At least this whole tiresome mess has shown HMFC and Budgie up in the media, to other clubs, especially further down the chain and the wider gereral public for what they really are all about.

I think Budgie has taken a doing personally and lost all credibility with her peers. Can you imagine Ron or Leeann working closely with Budgie going forward?
She's lost all trust and the whole episode will damage Hearts long term.

[Mikey]

Do we know yet when the season is likely to start for lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts?

[Skol]

And gonna win £7m lol


and here`s his working`s out

£3m loss to Hearts in a normal season. Truncated season exacerbates this cost even further. Successful case = costs to Hearts but costs obviously incurred by SPFL. If restraint of trade applies to Hearts it applies equally to Partick and Stranraer (albeit at a lesser cost)



This is before you consider dangers to SPFL of Hearts seeking an interdict to delay the start of SPL season, in which the Sky deal defaults and Scottish Football face a mass extinction event.



Now just imagine you are on the SPFL Board of Directors and have the executive power to make this all go away simply by making a zero detriment decision. Where do your responsibilities as a director lie?

And when we do all of that we await the legal claim for losses from Dundee United by being denied their place in the top division. Yes the Jambos don’t see that this is an issue.

[FilipinoHibs]

I have to say: the vast majority of jambos I know (family & friends) aren't "homophobic, racist and bigoted". I don't think the club can be accused of fitting any of those categories either.

There is a minority who are desperate to live up to the 'Diet Hun' tag, and they are an embarrassment. Most Hearts fans I know can't stand them.

My problem with Hearts is their constant sense of entitlement, blinkered view of their own importance, and lack of awareness regarding their actual standing in football (one of the biggest clubs in Scotland, outside the Old Firm, along with ourselves and Aberdeen - but no higher than that). It has been borne out by this farcical desperation to hold onto their premier league status at any cost.

But the adjectives you use to describe them are ones I'd say would be more accurately applied to The Huns rather than Hearts.

A sizeable minority, most who come to the ER game sing hello hello. There have been numerous racist insults from their fans to Black players including their own. All the Hibees are gay was probably sung by a majority of Hearts fana. They have a large section of loyalist/SDL fans who goad opposition players with racist and sectarian abuse. Granted there are decent Hearts fans as there are decent Rangers fans - two of my best friends follow Rangers and are PC. Celtic players have said the atmosphere at Tynecastle is more toxic than Ibrox.

[bingo70]

Do we know yet when the season is likely to start for lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts?

Think a provisional date in October has been set for the lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts.

If you have any other questions about lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts then keep them coming.

Oh, just remembered, not what you asked but lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts aren’t allowed to train yet either, they’re not allowed to start at the same time as the premier league clubs. They’ll just need to wait until the likes of the boys clubs and amateur sides start up again.

[04Sauzee]

Do we know yet when the season is likely to start for lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts?

Mid October?

7. 5 weeks for Hibs 18.5 weeks for Hearts

[007]

And here is the maroon version - anyone more clever than me wanna dissect this?

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The SPFL Board can decide anything apart from reserved matters.



The reserved matters are as follows:



C1 - Each club has a 1/42 share in the company

C2 - Any club ceasing to play in the league relinquishes its share

C3 - the league shall consist of 42 clubs

C42 - the league shall not commence prior to 31 July in any calendar year

C43 - the company will not operate any homegrown players rule or salary/squad/u21 cap

G16 - their must be 11 players in a team and a team sheet 75 mins prior to kick off etc.....

Section I - Commercial, Broadcast and Sponsorship


I'd argue that 64.1 is a Reserved Matter (as highlighted in screen grab) and it covers C5 and C6 because it says "any alteration, variation or modification of the Rules except for rules..." and then goes on to list the rules he's referring to. It means an Ordinary Resolution (75% Premiership vote) is required to change the remaining rules which don't need a Qualified Resolution (90% Premiership vote) as covered at 62.4.

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In summary: 90% Premiership votes needed to change Articles and some Rules (see 62.4). 75% need to change the rest of the Rules (see 64.1).

It has not been left open that some Rules aren't actually covered under either 62.4 or 64.1 (all are) so by not covering them the SPFL board can just do what they like with them.

104.1 (typo calls it 100.1) says the board cannot change a Reserved Matter.

He is wrong in the way he's describing it. None of those Rules he's listed are Reserved Matters and neither are C5 and C6. It is the Articles which explain the parameters for changing the Rules that are the Reserved Matters i.e. Articles 62.1 to 62.7 and 64.1 to 64.3.

I'd welcome a 2nd opinion.

[Mikey]

Mid October?

7. 5 weeks for Hibs 18.5 weeks for Hearts

And Alloa and Arbroath :wink:

[JohnM1875]

Paywall alert!

:wink:

The Scottish Professional Football League will move to finally draw a line under the Premiership season — and confirm Hearts’ relegation — after two proposals for league reconstruction failed to secure the necessary support over the next 24 hours.

The governing body will hold a board meeting tomorrow morning and the chief executive, Neil Doncaster, is expected to discourage any further talk of reconstruction for the coming campaign, and send a message that the focus now must be on planning for a 12-team top tier to start on August 1.

All 42 clubs have been sending the SPFL their views on Hearts’ proposal for a 14-14-14/16 structure for next season, which would save themselves and Partick Thistle from the injustice of being relegated when there were several games still to play in the in 2019-20 campaign. The SPFL set a deadline of today for clubs to submit their feedback on immediate reconstruction.

Rangers subsequently circulated a similar discussion paper for a 14-14-18 format including Old Firm B teams and Brora Rangers and Kelty Hearts in the third tier, although the Ibrox club is more relaxed about the time frame for that and was encouraged by a generally positive reaction over the weekend.

Both the Hearts and Rangers ideas would have saved the Tynecastle club from relegation and losses of at least £3 million but neither will secure the necessary support of 32 of the 42 clubs. That outcome will result in Hearts facing a decision on whether to pursue legal action.



The SPFL is drawing up a fixture schedule for the top flight to start on August 1 although nothing can be finalised until after Uefa’s executive committee sits on June 17. That meeting will confirm how the 2019-20 Champions League and Europa Leagues will finish — with Rangers still facing a round-of-16 second leg against Bayer Leverkusen, pencilled in for August 6 — and when the qualifiers and group games for 2020-21 will go ahead. Celtic, Rangers, Motherwell and Aberdeen will all be involved.

The SPFL Championship clubs are close to agreement on returning to play in October with only an 18 or 27-game campaign, which would help reduce the costs of Covid-19 testing and having to play behind closed doors until supporters are allowed back in, perhaps around the turn of the year.

The situation in the three lower divisions is particularly affected by the likely £2 million windfall from the businessman and benefactor, James Anderson. Unless there are any setbacks that gift is likely to land with the SPFL in the course of this week.

Anderson’s generosity would mean about £50,000 going to each club, enabling some to afford the necessary testing regime or bring players and staff out of the government’s furlough scheme sooner than planned.

Championship clubs are expecting their first payment of next season’s money from the SPFL in August even if they do not get back playing until October. Despite their later start date it is expected that the Championship clubs will still benefit earlier from their share of the SPFL’s broadcast revenue and the new deal with Sky Sports if, as planned, the Premiership kicks off on time.

The Raith Rovers vice-chairman, Dave Sinton, has welcomed the prospect of cash from the SPFL and praised the Rovers supporters who have so far ploughed in almost £100,000 from vari ous fundraising initiatives. “We are in a much better position than we might have been had it not been for the generosity of our fantastic fans, who put their hands in their pockets as soon as our income fell off a cliff,” he said.

“The indication from the SPFL is that, as long as the Premiership re-starts as scheduled, we will get our normal first instalment of TV/sponsor funds in August, despite the fact we are not playing

[Not In The Know]

Think a provisional date in October has been set for the lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts.

If you have any other questions about lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts then keep them coming.

Oh, just remembered, not what you asked but lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts aren’t allowed to train yet either, they’re not allowed to start at the same time as the premier league clubs. They’ll just need to wait until the likes of the boys clubs and amateur sides start up again.

:not worth

[calumhibee1]

Mid October?

7. 5 weeks for Hibs 18.5 weeks for Hearts

Ah ok. 7 and a half weeks for the top tier clubs. 18 and a half for lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts.

Can this become a thing?

[04Sauzee]

Ah ok. 7 and a half weeks for the top tier clubs. 18 and a half for lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts.

Can this become a thing?

Think by the time they kick of their season it will be something like 31 weeks since their last league game

[bringbackbenny]

Think a provisional date in October has been set for the lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts.

If you have any other questions about lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts then keep them coming.

Oh, just remembered, not what you asked but lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts aren’t allowed to train yet either, they’re not allowed to start at the same time as the premier league clubs. They’ll just need to wait until the likes of the boys clubs and amateur sides start up again.

I hear you, quite illuminating. Are there any special rules or dispensations for any 'big' teams that are no longer part of the top league? we need to be clear as they might think it's just not fair unless corrected :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

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[Kojock]

Think by the time they kick of their season it will be something like 31 weeks since their last league game

Did they not win their last league game. Asking for a friend.

[Keith_M]

Think by the time they kick of their season it will be something like 31 weeks since their last league game


Do you mean the one where Hearts went to Paisley, put in a dismal performance and condemned themselves to relegation by losing to St Mirren?

[Dibben]

I hear you, quite illuminating. Are there any special rules or dispensations for any 'big' teams that are no longer part of the top league? we need to be clear as they might think it's just not fair unless corrected :confused:

You mean like Falkirk??? 😂

[EskbankHibby]

Mid October?

7. 5 weeks for Hibs 18.5 weeks for Hearts

So lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts have longer to prepare their players in time for a new season?

Looks like our pink chums have landed on their feet again, lucky buggers.

[EH54]

So lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts have longer to prepare their players in time for a new season?

Looks like our pink chums have landed on their feet again, lucky buggers.

😂👏

[hibeerealist]

Asking for a friend;

Are the lower league clubs such as Alloa, Arbroath & Hertz ALL receiving money from JA to assist with the cost of Covid testing??

[KeithTheHibby]

Here`s Dug*****`s latest:

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There is an air of resignation that the establishment clubs have agreed reconstruction with the SPFL which will be announced. The clubs outside the OF, Aberdeen and Hearts will be told to like it or lump it.



I really wouldn't get bored punching a prick like that several times in the face.
He seems the sort of guy in the pub who you either give a doing to or ignore at all cost, no middle ground.
Has he not realised that Aberdeen have already publicly stated they don't want reconstruction?

What is the general response to his slavering?

[G B Young]

Sorry if already posted. Potter doing his hapless best to paint Budge and Sevco as good guys fighting the system:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52977449

[hibeerealist]

Saughton Jambo HAS to be an undercover Hibby - "I believe (don't quote me) the vote currently stands at 10-2 in favour of reconstruction. Some big decisions have to be made soon. Champagne is still on ice!"

What vote??? There has been no vote and he is rated as one of their ITK guys that the Duncans rely on for snippets, HAS to be a Hibby..............

[hibeerealist]

I really wouldn't get bored punching a prick like that several times in the face.
He seems the sort of guy in the pub who you either give a doing to or ignore at all cost, no middle ground.
Has he not realised that Aberdeen have already publicly stated they don't want reconstruction?

What is the general response to his slavering?

****** slaver!!

[brog]

Ah ok. 7 and a half weeks for the top tier clubs. 18 and a half for lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts.

Can this become a thing?

Just say aah! Arbroath, Alloa, Hearts!

[Aldo]

Saughton Jambo HAS to be an undercover Hibby - "I believe (don't quote me) the vote currently stands at 10-2 in favour of reconstruction. Some big decisions have to be made soon. Champagne is still on ice!"

What vote??? There has been no vote and he is rated as one of their ITK guys that the Duncans rely on for snippets, HAS to be a Hibby..............

Correct! No vote just a question asked if all the clubs!

Saughton Jambo if you’re looking in source etc.

Aberdeen chairman has previously indicated NO
Ross County NO
St Johnstone NO
ST Mirren No

So I make that 4 against and not 2.

Not going to happen.


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[007]

Saughton Jambo HAS to be an undercover Hibby - "I believe (don't quote me) the vote currently stands at 10-2 in favour of reconstruction. Some big decisions have to be made soon. Champagne is still on ice!"

What vote??? There has been no vote and he is rated as one of their ITK guys that the Duncans rely on for snippets, HAS to be a Hibby..............

They need 11-1 for 14-10-10-10 which the latest rumours seem to suggest is the most likely. 9-3 if it is 14-14-14 (seems unlikely) or 14-10-18 which is probably more likely than 14-14-14, depending on how many L1/L2 clubs want to mothball.

[JeMeSouviens]

Saughton Jambo HAS to be an undercover Hibby - "I believe (don't quote me) the vote currently stands at 10-2 in favour of reconstruction. Some big decisions have to be made soon. Champagne is still on ice!"

What vote??? There has been no vote and he is rated as one of their ITK guys that the Duncans rely on for snippets, HAS to be a Hibby..............

:agree:

Bloody well played, to be fair.

[sauzee=legend]

Correct! No vote just a question asked if all the clubs!

Saughton Jambo if you’re looking in source etc.

Aberdeen chairman has previously indicated NO
Ross County NO
St Johnstone NO
ST Mirren No

So I make that 4 against and not 2.

Not going to happen.


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Hibs said no.... there is 5.
Their magic number 😂

[Aldo]

Hibs said no.... there is 5.
Their magic number [emoji23]

Sorted then. I would prefer 7 though!


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[Aldoo]

Hibs said no.... there is 5.
Their magic number 😂

Honest question. Have all these clubs said ‘No’ since Friday when it went all quiet after Budge last proposal was knocked back. We’re assuming who was No last week have stayed a No but we don’t know what’s been discussed since then. The County CEO I think is the only one I think I recall seeing.

[04Sauzee]

Good old Saughton

Saughton Jambo Saughton Jambo

Posted 16 minutes ago





I’m putting my head above the parapet so feel free to take a pop if this goes pear shaped. I don’t believe it will and It’s not that far fetched as some are trying to believe. Some clubs are proving difficult and this we know. However I’m not going deeper into this but the bottom line is the SPFL want reconstruction and what they usually want they usually get. In my own words of course and if reconstruction is not decided on by tomorrow latest then there will be a 48hr period of emergency talks before there is a forced action by the governing body.


I said we’d be popping champagne corks this weekend and that’s still my belief.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I, for one, am delighted it'll be ALL HIBS FAULT when they spend a season, at least, in the championship

Three quarters of a season surely...starting October and only 27 games...

[Since452]

Do you mean the one where Hearts went to Paisley, put in a dismal performance and condemned themselves to relegation by losing to St Mirren?

Yeah the one where their fans were singing about having Boycey in attack and Souttar at the back and Daniel having them back or something

[hibbyfraelibby]

Indeedn they did, promised a full season 18/19 games

When yoi include to Tunnocks and the BetFred. They just about manage it

[Jones28]

Good old Saughton

Saughton Jambo Saughton Jambo

Posted 16 minutes ago





I’m putting my head above the parapet so feel free to take a pop if this goes pear shaped. I don’t believe it will and It’s not that far fetched as some are trying to believe. Some clubs are proving difficult and this we know. However I’m not going deeper into this but the bottom line is the SPFL want reconstruction and what they usually want they usually get. In my own words of course and if reconstruction is not decided on by tomorrow latest then there will be a 48hr period of emergency talks before there is a forced action by the governing body.


I said we’d be popping champagne corks this weekend and that’s still my belief.

So this guy reckons that after 2 months of batting back and forth with vote after vote being trashed and declined the league are going to let their own board make its mind up?

He’d better make sure his champagne doesn’t freeze with the amount of time it’ll spend on ice...

[Aldo]

Honest question. Have all these clubs said ‘No’ since Friday when it went all quiet after Budge last proposal was knocked back. We’re assuming who was No last week have stayed a No but we don’t know what’s been discussed since then. The County CEO I think is the only one I think I recall seeing.

What’s changed though... nothing. They don’t want reconstruction and have said that! I can’t see anything that’ll change their minds tbh!


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[Skol]

Three quarters of a season surely...starting October and only 27 games...

Can’t be promoted if they don’t play 37 games. Rules are rules.

[Skol]

38 even

[Since452]

So lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts have longer to prepare their players in time for a new season?

Looks like our pink chums have landed on their feet again, lucky buggers.

I want a full private investigation led by Rangers. That is handing a big advantage to teams like Hearts in the Tunnocks Teacake Cup against other obscure teams like Barry Town and Blyth Spartans. All these diddy teams should be starting their seasons at the same time to ensure sporting integrity is maintained.

[Rumble de Thump]

It's very misleading for Anderson to say that Budge's reconctruction plan is being discussed or voted on. She has never had a plan. She's now backing Sevco's plan because it just so happens to place her mismanaged, underperforming club back in the top flight where it doesn't deserve to be.

[Skol]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52705124

Wonder what the Jambos think of this

[04Sauzee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52705124

Wonder what the Jambos think of this

5-1, big team, peg selling hobo vermin

Something like that

[easty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52705124

Wonder what the Jambos think of this

I’d imagine the team being relegated down there will be delighted. Easy tens of millions in court settlements coming there way. That’s how it works yeah?

[Mikey]

This really needs to be brought to an end. It's ok for clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts to drag their heels as their season won't start until October at the earliest but the top league starts in just over 7 weeks and they need to get planning.

[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52705124

Wonder what the Jambos think of this

The headline suggests a bit of forward thinking, no?

[GreenPJ]

The headline suggests a bit of forward thinking, no?

Too late to place a bet on league placings?

[oneone73]

38 even

36 in the lower leagues.

[EI255]

This really needs to be brought to an end. It's ok for clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts to drag their heels as their season won't start until October at the earliest but the top league starts in just over 7 weeks and they need to get planning.It's pathetic. The new fixtures come out in under 3 weeks now and the Jumbos are still chucking toys out the pram. The desperate buggers need to be telt now.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Too late to place a bet on league placings?

Might cause a rift in the space-time continuum, Marty.

[Lee Marvin]

Relegated teams in France just won their case...court suspending their relegation

[Onion]

Sorry if already posted. Potter doing his hapless best to paint Budge and Sevco as good guys fighting the system:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52977449

Guy's a loser, best ignored.

[calumhibee1]

Relegated teams in France just won their case...court suspending their relegation

The big difference for them is that they didn’t vote to end the league season. Hearts literally voted to be relegated.

[04Sauzee]

Relegated teams in France just won their case...court suspending their relegation

Did the French league vote to finish the season? If so seems strange they have a case?

It was a unanimous decision to finish the league in Scotland

[Mon Dieu4]

Just read on their thread that our directors are not fit for purpose for bowing to peer pressure from us fans, they should be explaining the moral and monetary consequences to us instead of pandering :faf:

[calumhibee1]

Just read on their thread that our directors are not fit for purpose for bowing to peer pressure from us fans, they should be explaining the moral and monetary consequences to us instead of pandering :faf:

Hearts fans declaring our board not fit for purpose whilst watching Budgie go about £15million over budget on an absolutely horrendous attempt at a main stand, forgetting to order seats for it, putting the media with all their electrical equipment in the area of the stand that gets soaking wet, *****ing away numerous millions of pounds of donations all to see her team get relegated culminating in threatening players that they’ll either be sacked or only given half your wages and then overseeing the most tragic of attempts to avoid relegation which has been called out for what it is by numerous other chief executives of other football clubs..

All of this and yet as far as I’m aware our board have voted the same way on as the Hearts board did on the only vote we’ve had on the matter?

Aye, our board isn’t fit for purpose though.

[Paisley Hibby]

It's looking grim for our pink chums. But I won't believe they're actually down until they kick off their first league game of next season at Gayfield (or another Championship stadium - eg Indrodil or Tynecastle) some time around October.

[easty]

Did the French league vote to finish the season? If so seems strange they have a case?

It was a unanimous decision to finish the league in Scotland

I can't find where that was reported. Where does it say it was unanimous?

[tamig]

Saughton Jambo HAS to be an undercover Hibby - "I believe (don't quote me) the vote currently stands at 10-2 in favour of reconstruction. Some big decisions have to be made soon. Champagne is still on ice!"

What vote??? There has been no vote and he is rated as one of their ITK guys that the Duncans rely on for snippets, HAS to be a Hibby..............
What a divot. Surely if you’ve had a vote that’s it done if everyone has voted? In any case, there was nothing to vote on so there’s been no vote. Him and his sidekick kiwidug are two interplanetary wallopers. Fantasists of the highest order.

[Andy74]

Just read on their thread that our directors are not fit for purpose for bowing to peer pressure from us fans, they should be explaining the moral and monetary consequences to us instead of pandering :faf:

Monetary impact isn’t that much.

We’ve been average about 17k across all matches. 2 games against Hearts I’d think the differential would be less than £200k.

In any event, that’s just what happens when teams get themselves relegated. It isn’t for the Hibs Board to be able to arrange that.

You’d also have to say that being the only top league team in the city could have financial advantages in sponsorship and commercial activities.

I don’t know what morals have to do with anything, however, we voted knowing it was costing us a league place and decent money so I think we are clear on that front. Relegation happens every year for the worst team in the league.

[04Sauzee]

I can't find where that was reported. Where does it say it was unanimous?

SPFL announce 'unanimous agreement' to end Scottish Premiership as top flight standings revealed
The decision means Motherwell narrowly finish in third and Hamilton Accies survive the drop on average points.

[Ozyhibby]

It's looking grim for our pink chums. But I won't believe they're actually down until they kick off their first league game of next season at Gayfield (or another Championship stadium - eg Indrodil or Tynecastle) some time around October.

To be fair, I don’t they will either.[emoji6]


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[Heisenberg]

The big difference for them is that they didn’t vote to end the league season. Hearts literally voted to be relegated.

Yeah this is it. The LFP imposed the relegations on these clubs. The SPFL had a democratic vote which gave them the nod to end the season and go ahead with relegations/promotions. Hearts then later agreed to end the season along with all other Premiership clubs.

[hibeerealist]

Breaking News:

Saughton Jambo appears to have felt it necessary to add to his earlier posts (maybe the fact that some of the Duncans were stating he was talking p ash) however, he has now stated categorically that HFC have voted (although no vote taken place) no to reconstruction and will not "come round" for fear of upsetting their fans.

I am sure Ron, Leeann and the rest of our board will be very interested to be told this by SJ, was it perhaps a quiet word from he who conveyances?

They have all the answers over there we need to catch up.

[h1bs4life]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52705124

Wonder what the Jambos think of this

Good news he is wanting back in football.
Anybody know of a team locally , possibly lower league who are looking for a Manager and a Director of football who has a gullible owner who would believe everything they say ?

[JimBHibees]

This really needs to be brought to an end. It's ok for clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts to drag their heels as their season won't start until October at the earliest but the top league starts in just over 7 weeks and they need to get planning.

Totally agree the lower league minnows like Alloa Arbroath and Hearts are getting in the way of the big teams work in preparing for the new season. No more of the tail wagging the dog I say. :greengrin

[Peevemor]

Did the French league vote to finish the season? If so seems strange they have a case?

It was a unanimous decision to finish the league in Scotland

There is a convention (legal agreement) between the French League and the French FA that Ligue 1 is restricted to a maximum of 20 teams. Therefore if 2 clubs are promoted then 2 have to go down to make way for them. However, the current convention runs out at the end of the month and is to be replaced by a new one - the judge hs said that it'll be easy enough to enlarge the league to 22 teams instead of 20. Apparently they're not playing their league cup next year eithe so dates will be freed up for the extra matches.

It's not the same set up as here where our league is fixed at 12 teams until further notice.

In addition, the SPFL had rules in place for such an eventuality - ie. calling the league and final positions standing.

[Since452]

Breaking News:

Saughton Jambo appears to have felt it necessary to add to his earlier posts (maybe the fact that some of the Duncans were stating he was talking p ash) however, he has now stated categorically that HFC have voted (although no vote taken place) no to reconstruction and will not "come round" for fear of upsetting their fans.

I am sure Ron, Leeann and the rest of our board will be very interested to be told this by SJ, was it perhaps a quiet word from he who conveyances?

They have all the answers over there we need to catch up.

Right that's it. Who at the club is leaking information to Saughton Jambo? Snitches get stitches

[Since452]

Just read on their thread that our directors are not fit for purpose for bowing to peer pressure from us fans, they should be explaining the moral and monetary consequences to us instead of pandering :faf:

Their directors actually did bow to peer pressure from their fans and appointed Daniel Stendel as manager.

[steviehibsleith]

So after French court makes a decision today it looks like the French league will have to expand or stop promotion as bottom two cannot be relegated

Why are UEFA/FIFA not stepping in and punishing these clubs. I thought taking Football to court was against. their rules.

Kind of opens the door for every club in playoffs etc to go to court .

[leith lynx]

Good news he is wanting back in football.
Anybody know of a team locally , possibly lower league who are looking for a Manager and a Director of football who has a gullible owner who would believe everything they say ?
Levein gets Dundee gig before Xmas, unbeleivably wins league and keeps Hertz down for another year = deliciously pleasing.

[CropleyWasGod]

So after French court makes a decision today it looks like the French league will have to expand or stop promotion as bottom two cannot be relegated

Why are UEFA/FIFA not stepping in and punishing these clubs. I thought taking Football to court was against. their rules.

Kind of opens the door for every club in playoffs etc to go to court .

It was the French League that they took to Court, not the French FA, non?

[Eaststand]

Totally agree the lower league minnows like Alloa Arbroath and Hearts are getting in the way of the big teams work in preparing for the new season. No more of the tail wagging the dog I say. :greengrin

We have our timeless song 'We hate Glasgow Rangers, we hate Celtic too, etc.

Now that the pink team over at the piggery are no longer in the top league, will they have a new song to include their competitors names, like Alloa, Arbroath etc.

GGTTH

[steviehibsleith]

It was the French League that they took to Court, not the French FA, non?

So Hearts can take SPFL to court then as long as not SFA.

[Col2]

Given English League 1 and 2 have voted to end the season on PPG basis which confirms title, promotion and relegation then I think we can be confident the SPFL are not going to blink.

As I understand it the Belgium and French authorities decided to end the season - not a vote by the clubs.

This is the critical difference. But then again Saughton Jambo knows better.

[Peevemor]

So Hearts can take SPFL to court then as long as not SFA.

No, as they would efffectively be taking themselves to court.

The French League is run by the "Ligue de football professionnel" which as an association, separate from the clubs, formed to run and administrate the French professional leagues. It is they, not the clubs, who decided to "call" their league.

The SPFL is the clubs, with each one being an equal shareholder.

[steviehibsleith]

No, as they would efffectively be taking themselves to court.

The French League is run by the "Ligue de football professionnel" which as an association, separate from the clubs, formed to run and administrate the French professional leagues. It is they, not the clubs, who decided to "call" their league.

The SPFL is the clubs, with each one being an equal shareholder.

Ok Thanks 👍

[Sas_The_Hibby]

Granted this is the Evening News but I'm intrigued if it's true, as I didn't think you could look for legal precedent from court cases in another country!

Or are we now under joint French/Belgian jurisdiction? :greengrin

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-watching-closely-french-court-blocks-relegation-and-belgians-rule-it-illegal-2879315

[Irish_Steve]

Saughton Jambo HAS to be an undercover Hibby - "I believe (don't quote me) the vote currently stands at 10-2 in favour of reconstruction. Some big decisions have to be made soon. Champagne is still on ice!"

What vote??? There has been no vote and he is rated as one of their ITK guys that the Duncans rely on for snippets, HAS to be a Hibby..............

I did wonder if he was an undercover agent too. He's been trying to sell t-shirts on Brokeback (a goal celebration from the recent 1-3 game) but he said he had 62 to shift lol

[green day]

I have just come in, can anyone give me a couple of lines on what has happened today (if anything)?

I kind of assume nothing as there was no sea of tears & snotters from my jambo neighbour along the road as I drove past.

[Billy Whizz]

I did wonder if he was an undercover agent too. He's been trying to sell t-shirts on Brokeback (a goal celebration from the recent 1-3 game) but he said he had 62 to shift lol

Sergey possibly😄

[Peevemor]

Granted this is the Evening News but I'm intrigued if it's true, as I didn't think you could look for legal precedent from court cases in another country!

Or are we now under joint French/Belgian jurisdiction? :greengrin

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-watching-closely-french-court-blocks-relegation-and-belgians-rule-it-illegal-2879315

The EEN hasn't bothered it's arse to check the fundemental legal difference between the French & Scottish league structures.

In addition, the decision made by the SPFL is based on rules made and approved by the clubs themselves. Nothing was decided or invented.

[Sas_The_Hibby]

The EEN hasn't bothered it's arse to check the fundemental legal difference between the French & Scottish league structures.

In addition, the decision made by the SPFL is based on rules made and approved by the clubs themselves. Nothing was decided or invented.

And Scottish law is based on....well.....Scottish law! :wink:

[hibeerealist]

I did wonder if he was an undercover agent too. He's been trying to sell t-shirts on Brokeback (a goal celebration from the recent 1-3 game) but he said he had 62 to shift lol

He has them all biting so doing a great job if he is indeed undercover and not just a Duncan who slavers a lot!

[Sammy7nil]

Now I know there was no vote but will we get the result of the 5 :00 pm deadline "survey" ?

[SouthMoroccoStu]

The EEN hasn't bothered it's arse to check the fundemental legal difference between the French & Scottish league structures.

In addition, the decision made by the SPFL is based on rules made and approved by the clubs themselves. Nothing was decided or invented.

Clickbait for their target charity thieves audience

[Kojock]

The EEN hasn't bothered it's arse to check the fundemental legal difference between the French & Scottish league structures.

In addition, the decision made by the SPFL is based on rules made and approved by the clubs themselves. Nothing was decided or invented.

It was penned by Allisbarry. That says all you need to know.

[EI255]

I thought today was the day they'd get the medicine? Why the delay??

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[Waxy]

Granted this is the Evening News but I'm intrigued if it's true, as I didn't think you could look for legal precedent from court cases in another country!

Or are we now under joint French/Belgian jurisdiction? :greengrin

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-watching-closely-french-court-blocks-relegation-and-belgians-rule-it-illegal-2879315

Why are they picking another league in another country with their own different laws and making it relevant to them? Its not.
That would mean we have to abide by the laws of France?
We don’t.

[EdinMike]

Why are they picking another league in another country with their own different laws and making it relevant to them? Its not.
That would mean we have to abide by the laws of France?
We don’t.

Yeh but Allisbarry!

[Rumble de Thump]

Anderson realised he couldn't quite get his head around football so decided to focus on law instead. Has he ever written a credible article?

[Mikey]

Now I know there was no vote but will we get the result of the 5 :00 pm deadline "survey" ?

I suspect we'll have to wait until after the SPFL board meeting to get the definitive answer, but if journalists can get info from clubs tonight we should get a feel for it before then.

[greenginger]

Why are they picking another league in another country with their own different laws and making it relevant to them? Its not.
That would mean we have to abide by the laws of France?
We don’t.


Under Brazilian law, the Yams could probably get done for fraudulently impersonating a football team.:greengrin

[Waxy]

Under Brazilian law, the Yams could probably get done for fraudulently impersonating a football team.:greengrin

Well thats my very point.
They cant just pick a country and say look, we cant get relegated because France Judge says so.
Its like saying look, A Saudi Arabian player got 50 lashes for thinking about curlywurlys.
Whats it all got to do with what Scotland did?
Zero thats what.

[hibbyfraelibby]

So Hearts can take SPFL to court then as long as not SFA.

No. Even in France the requirement ti go through the CAS in Lausanne is embedded. At this stage they have allowed the club to pursue their action to a conclusion but the final court of appeal is still CAS. The French case still has a long way to run.

[HibbyAndy]

Difference is the Scottish club’s voted for it not the governing body

[Mikey]

Difference is the Scottish club’s voted for it not the governing body

Correct. Including lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts.

[Wakeyhibee]

Surprised they've not mentioned "The Hague" yet.

[04Sauzee]

Correct. Including lower league clubs like Alloa, Arbroath and Hearts.

😂

[Billy Whizz]

I’m disappointed we didn’t have Championship/Premiership play offs😄
Hearts automatically relegated and Dundee Utd promoted
Could you imagine the seethe from Tynecastle if this had been the case, as it is in England’s bottom 2 divisions

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Surprised they've not mentioned "The Hague" yet.

Lol brilliant

[Ronniekirk]

Sorry if already posted. Potter doing his hapless best to paint Budge and Sevco as good guys fighting the system:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52977449

Wouldn’t even read the article He has to take a lot of the Blame fir putting that poor performing squad together , then failing to motivate them and for Thier style of play that hardly won them games


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[Greenworld]

Tbh didn't think there was a vote, but and today's meeting is the lower leagues? I'm confused

And when it's voting time is it not 11-1 with 75% of lower leaguesI don't think any vote is or has taken place, indications were asked for which i guess is the same . The Times reckon is all over the status quo will be announced tomorrow
Hearts can go to court if they want but i think thats when the SFA will step in.

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[NASAHIBS]

Well thats my very point.
They cant just pick a country and say look, we cant get relegated because France Judge says so.
Its like saying look, A Saudi Arabian player got 50 lashes for thinking about curlywurlys.
Whats it all got to do with what Scotland did?
Zero thats what.
Laughed out loud there Waxy👍