NO to reconstruction

[green day]

Also the word “temporary” seems to have gone now too? Banderson also states it will require 11/12 votes to pass 🤔

She said she will offer a temp and perm option.

Any change to cash needs 11-1

[Waxy]

Would her time not be better spent sorting out her own club?
Even the most foolish can plainly see reconstruction will not happen.
We have as perfect a top division structure as it can be and now is not the time to change it.
Wonder if relegation is included in her new proposal?

[GreenCastle]

I’ve got a feeling there is 2 angles here..

1.Save Hearts now..stupid ideas of a quick fix to change league size.

2. Make sure Hearts get promoted as quick as possible next season to make sure they come straight back up - increasing league size (promotion places).

I don’t think either will happen as top clubs hold all the power and just won’t want to vote when money is tight as it is.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Time these squealing pigs were sent to the abattoir.

[James Stephen]

Love how it's gone from 14 team to 'maybe even 16 teams' since their relegation has been confirmed. Pathetic.

I presume 16 as every championship club in playoffs position has as strong a claim as the others to be promoted.

It is getting beyond a joke though, and does show the contortions she is going through.

Basically she will offer any proposal that will get through that involves saving Hearts.

Kinda tramples all over her 'for the good of the game' and stop acting out of narrow self interest points.

[Onion]

Don’t worry everyone...

Working with her Famous efficiency and speed, Ann Budge promises to circulate a plan for reconstruction ‘by Friday’.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ann-budge-finalise-new-league-reconstruction-plan-friday-2858647

She’s not spoken to all the other clubs yet to get their input, but she definitely will. Her plan will propose a 14 or maybe 16 team top flight (mere details).

If any fellow chairmen are still listening, she will threaten the possibility of legal action if she doesn’t get her way.

Bless...

Club chairmen should definitely be recording any calls from the Budge. Could prove handy in court :greengrin

[brog]

16 teams means 4 OF games a season can't happen. That means reconstruction can't happen because 4 OF games is integral to the TV deal. She's been heavily involved in the management of SPFL business, she knows this but still throws out this distraction. She's certainly superb at multitasking, she's incompetent at everything!

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

16 teams means 4 OF games a season can't happen. That means reconstruction can't happen because 4 OF games is integral to the TV deal. She's been heavily involved in the management of SPFL business, she knows this but still throws out this distraction. She's certainly superb at multitasking, she's incompetent at everything!

Exactly. Two OF games is a complete and utter non starter.
She’s wasting everyone’s time, massively.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

She must be looking at some sort of catastrophic financial situation comming over the hill? Otherwise you would show some dignity and accept the situation that we all find ourselves in.

[Billy Whizz]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

She must be looking at some sort of catastrophic financial situation comming over the hill? Otherwise you would show some dignity and accept the situation that we all find ourselves in.

Who’s she presenting it to on Friday

Most clubs CEO’s etc will be taking a pre season break

[Wakeyhibee]

16 teams means 4 OF games a season can't happen. That means reconstruction can't happen because 4 OF games is integral to the TV deal. She's been heavily involved in the management of SPFL business, she knows this but still throws out this distraction. She's certainly superb at multitasking, she's incompetent at everything!

It's sheer desperation. If there were any legal grounds on her side then she'd have gone that route by now. So if this the most likely route, they're screwed and just cant accept it.

[The 90+2]

Doncaster on Sky talking up reconstruction.

[Billy Whizz]

Doncaster on Sky talking up reconstruction.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/11991546/hearts-relegation-appeal-would-be-at-cost-to-all-spfl-clubs-says-neil-doncaster

[Mon Dieu4]

Doncaster on Sky talking up reconstruction.

Wouldn't say that's talking it up, more throwing it back to Hearts to say all clubs will be penalised if they decided to go down the legal route, he's getting in there early and painting them out to be the bad guy imo

[Jdawg]

He’s not talking it up at all.

[Heisenberg]

He’s not talking it up at all.

Definitely not, merely talking about it.

"It is likely that any expansion would need 11 out of the 12 Premiership clubs to approve it and then 75 per cent effectively of other clubs.

"But again it does depend on the detail - the devil is in the detail here - but we are certainly looking forward to seeing the proposal and as and when we see it we can share it with member clubs and have a broader discussion."

Devil is in the detail indeed. Budgie will be trying anything and everything here. Good to see Doncaster coming out and talking about the legal action stuff aswell.

[JimBHibees]

Doncaster on Sky talking up reconstruction.

Really? Sounds more like he is outlining how difficult it would be however that it would be considered which is fair enough.

[scoopyboy]

Doncaster on Sky talking up reconstruction.

Strange interpretation

[scoopyboy]

Who’s she presenting it to on Friday

Most clubs CEO’s etc will be taking a pre season break

Where are the CEOs taking a break to?

We're in lockdown Billy.

They will all be available if required.

[Jdawg]

Really? Sounds more like he is outlining how difficult it would be however that it would be considered which is fair enough.

Correct. It’s a members resolution therefore it has to be considered. Hopefully for about 3 seconds and clubs tell them to bolt.

[Billy Whizz]

Where are the CEOs taking a break to?

We're in lockdown Billy.

They will all be available if required.

Didn’t mean they were flying off somewhere🤣
Think most clubs said they’d give the players etc, sometime off just now before restarting

[Peevemor]

Didn’t mean they were flying off somewhere��
Think most clubs said they’d give the players etc, sometime off just now before restarting

I can see them now...

https://media.tenor.com/images/09a2f5a121c35fc0a8f96c002a4c7b21/tenor.gif

[JohnM1875]

This has become a total joke.

Second attempt at reconstruction, still not submitted anything. It'll then be looked over by SPFL, who will then present it to the clubs. Likely give them a few days to look over it etc and then have yet another vote.

So I'm guessing we'll be looking at next Friday or maybe Monday June 1st before we know anything for sure.

Just tell them to **** off and of they want to take it to court go for it!

[Spike Mandela]

Wouldn't say that's talking it up, more throwing it back to Hearts to say all clubs will be penalised if they decided to go down the legal route, he's getting in there early and painting them out to be the bad guy imo

Hearts don’t care about other clubs so that will fall on deaf ears.

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder what date next season’s fixtures will be out?

[Spike Mandela]

Wonder what date next season’s fixtures will be out?

Will it include club ‘X’ and club ‘Y’:greengrin

[Iain G]

She said she will offer a perm option.



I wouldn't let her anywhere near my hair given the state of her barnet!

[147lothian]

Ann Budge's proposal for reconstruction by Friday will be asking for a 14 team spl, however as Hearts have been relegated and this could mean that even IF it did go through Dundee and ICT would be most likely to be the teams that are promoted AB has another trick up her sleave, to ask the spl clubs (they need 11 out of the 12 to vote in-favour) To take even more of a hit by making it a 16 team spl for one season only to keep them up.

No chance of any of this happening, her next step is legal action which she knows hasn't got a leg to stand on but has seen the way that anyone who attempts to talk sense is treated, just look at how Gary Mackay was shouted down by the roasters over the road for pointing out that Hearts are becoming a laughing stock.

She must be asking herself why she put her own money into this club to end up in this situation, its a sinario that makes her the real Queen of fools.

[The 90+2]

Strange interpretation

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/neil-doncaster-fires-hearts-legal-22057355

Certainly a lot more positive than previously in terms of it going through.

[Iain G]

I presume 16 as every championship club in playoffs position has as strong a claim as the others to be promoted.

It is getting beyond a joke though, and does show the contortions she is going through.

Basically she will offer any proposal that will get through that involves saving Hearts.

Kinda tramples all over her 'for the good of the game' and stop acting out of narrow self interest points.

Looking forward to the 48 team premier league option...

[Since90+2]

16 team league? Budge is just throwing mud at the wall now. Embarrassing.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

So Budge is effectively trying to blackmail clubs into voting for reconstruction?

We shouldn’t be letting any team away with that and sets a very bad precedent.

[Aldo]

So Budge is effectively trying to blackmail clubs into voting for reconstruction?

We shouldn’t be letting any team away with that and sets a very bad precedent.

It does however Doncaster today did the right thing and didn’t criticise her.

If this was a game of poker Budge would be bluffing her guff with a 9 high whilst The SPFL were sitting pretty with a Royal Flush.

I expect the reconstruction to fall flat on its face and the legal action will just go away!


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[Booked4Being-Ugly]

It does however Doncaster today did the right thing and didn’t criticise her.

If this was a game of poker Budge would be bluffing her guff with a 9 high whilst The SPFL were sitting pretty with a Royal Flush.

I expect the reconstruction to fall flat on its face and the legal action will just go away!


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I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on legally myself but she'll be hoping she can use the legal threat as levarage to intimidate some of the so-called smaller clubs that are already struggling financially to somehow make them nervous enough to change their mind.

[Vault Boy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/neil-doncaster-fires-hearts-legal-22057355

Certainly a lot more positive than previously in terms of it going through.

He doesn't say anything about it going through at all, he just states that member clubs will look at the option once it's presented to them again.

[The 90+2]

He doesn't say anything about it going through at all, he just states that member clubs will look at the option once it's presented to them again.

He’s a lot more positive about it and seems to indicate there is more of an appetite to discuss this. He should be completely dismissing it and encouraging clubs to focus on their own clubs and how football is going to shape up going forward.

[Peevemor]

He’s a lot more positive about it and seems to indicate there is more of an appetite to discuss this. He should be completely dismissing it and encouraging clubs to focus on their own clubs and how football is going to shape up going forward.


I think you're taking far too much from what he's saying.

He basically says that manu clubs are sympathetic BUT...

[Vault Boy]

He’s a lot more positive about it and seems to indicate there is more of an appetite to discuss this. He should be completely dismissing it and encouraging clubs to focus on their own clubs and how football is going to shape up going forward.

I think you're reading too much into it. He's really not.

[Aldo]

I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on legally myself but she'll be hoping she can use the legal threat as levarage to intimidate some of the so-called smaller clubs that are already struggling financially to somehow make them nervous enough to change their mind.

She can try but I would like to hope those clubs (after she has spoken to each on individually) that feel threatened will report them.

We really do need to get over this reconstruction pish as it’s all becoming quite tedious. It is however funny as watching her scrambling about whilst her club has just been relegated.


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[The 90+2]

I think you're taking far too much from what he's saying.

He basically says that manu clubs are sympathetic BUT...

Probably. Hopefully. 👍

[The 90+2]

I think you're reading too much into it. He's really not.

Fair dos.

[Onion]

So Budge is effectively trying to blackmail clubs into voting for reconstruction?

We shouldn’t be letting any team away with that and sets a very bad precedent.

It a friggin nonsense. Can see why the SPFL allowed Budge to front up the first taskforce, but cannot see the logic in letting her present proposals which, if rejected, will result in her suing the folk who vote it down. That's just crazy.

They should have told her - you get one shot at this, take your choice. Present a restructure proposal and accept the outcome or piss off and we'll see you in court.

[Greenworld]

He’s a lot more positive about it and seems to indicate there is more of an appetite to discuss this. He should be completely dismissing it and encouraging clubs to focus on their own clubs and how football is going to shape up going forward.LOL i'm starting to wonder if your at the wind up you cannot read that and come away with any other view other than " do what you have to do Anne" then let's get it over with.

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[The 90+2]

LOL i'm starting to wonder if your at the wind up you cannot read that and come away with any other view other than " do what you have to do Anne" then let's get it over with.

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No bother pal.

[Waxy]

Hearts were going down anyway. No way should they escape free while everyone pays to bail them out. Bring on legal action.

[Mikey]

Doncaster is playing it by the book, as you would expect him to. If Budge is daft enough to take legal action she won't have anywhere to go with it.

If Hearts were going to weasel out of it they would have done so by now. It wouldn't have got this far if there was a secret plan to bring them back in.

She needs to be given a final deadline so everyone can move on.

[Real Emerald]

Doncaster is playing it by the book, as you would expect him to. If Budge is daft enough to take legal action she won't have anywhere to go with it.

If Hearts were going to weasel out of it they would have done so by now. It wouldn't have got this far if there was a secret plan to bring them back in.

She needs to be given a final deadline so everyone can move on.

Exactly, all the clubs are trying to sell season tickets and muppet Budge is still chirping on with this dead parrot abomination of a league set up no one bar them wants.

[Peevemor]

Doncaster is playing it by the book, as you would expect him to. If Budge is daft enough to take legal action she won't have anywhere to go with it.

If Hearts were going to weasel out of it they would have done so by now. It wouldn't have got this far if there was a secret plan to bring them back in.

She needs to be given a final deadline so everyone can move on.


Her problem is that she's backed herself into a corner by effectively saying that whatever a legal action will cost, it will be cheaper than being relegated. She hasn't left herself an easy "out" if and when reconstruction is knocked on the head.

[WhileTheChief..]

There’s a mega thread on Pie & Bovril about league reconstruction.

I’ve not read all of it but from what I’ve seen there isn’t one post from anyone in favour of changing things to save Hearts. There’s fans posting from across all the leagues and they’re just not interested in what Budge has to say.

The vast majority of it is very similar to here. Hearts have been gash, deserve to go down and should STFU about it.

Mackay was right though, there’s plenty of folk laughing at them.

[Spike Mandela]

There’s a mega thread on Pie & Bovril about league reconstruction.

I’ve not read all of it but from what I’ve seen there isn’t one post from anyone in favour of changing things to save Hearts. There’s fans posting from across all the leagues and they’re just not interested in what Budge has to say.

The vast majority of it is very similar to here. Hearts have been gash, deserve to go down and should STFU about it.

Mackay was right though, there’s plenty of folk laughing at them.

Can’t see three quarters of the Championship voting for a proposal that benefits ICT at this moment in time either.

[Mikey]

There’s a mega thread on Pie & Bovril about league reconstruction.



It's splendid to see that they've already started the Hearts 20/21 thread in the Championship forum.

Surely that makes it official :hilarious

[Ronniekirk]

I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on legally myself but she'll be hoping she can use the legal threat as levarage to intimidate some of the so-called smaller clubs that are already struggling financially to somehow make them nervous enough to change their mind.

Yep using the very Bullying tactics she jumped into bed with The Rangers to complain about
What a nasty piece of work she is .
After the Dust has settled on this and it’s fone one way or the other ,
Maybe there needs to be an Independent inquiry into how she has run Hearts into the Ground ,snd is now looking to blame anyone but her
I haven’t forgiven The Rangers fir the way they Treated us after our Historic Cup Wim , and I won’t be forgiving her for her one Wonan Crusade to save her Skin and Hearts Place in the top flight at the same time .
If by some Miracle she pulls this off ,are we all just supposed to sit back and accept it


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[Waxy]

One of hearts problems is they gamble every year with overspending thinking theres no way they can be relegated.A club like them giving out £6000 a week three year contract?
Keep gambling to that extent and if you lose you could be in massive trouble.
Think thats whats happened here.
Will they ever learn?

[Heisenberg]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/st-mirren-chief-executive-insists-22058278

I don’t see St Mirren voting for reconstruction, even if the guy tries to point out this is just his own opinion.

[James Stephen]

It a friggin nonsense. Can see why the SPFL allowed Budge to front up the first taskforce, but cannot see the logic in letting her present proposals which, if rejected, will result in her suing the folk who vote it down. That's just crazy.

They should have told her - you get one shot at this, take your choice. Present a restructure proposal and accept the outcome or piss off and we'll see you in court.

This is her one shot i think - they group she led never made formal proposals, and there wasnt a vote of all clubs - just the prem teams scotching it unofficially.

This is them allowing her to complete the process that the big vote mandated back in April.

[James Stephen]

Her problem is that she's backed herself into a corner by effectively saying that whatever a legal action will cost, it will be cheaper than being relegated. She hasn't left herself an easy "out" if and when reconstruction is knocked on the head.

Totally.

Shes gonna have a tough job marching her 10,000 men back down the hill after this.

I suspect she knows this, and so is keen to create as many others to act as lightning rods as she can, lest the Hearts supporters turn their (very understandable) fury onto her, and her frankly catastrophic reign.

[Paisley Hibby]

It a friggin nonsense. Can see why the SPFL allowed Budge to front up the first taskforce, but cannot see the logic in letting her present proposals which, if rejected, will result in her suing the folk who vote it down. That's just crazy.

They should have told her - you get one shot at this, take your choice. Present a restructure proposal and accept the outcome or piss off and we'll see you in court.

Because the SPFL
1 - know she doesnt have an arguable case in law
2 - don't want reconstruction and know the best way of stopping it is to let Budge continue to lead on the ideas
3 - are enjoying Hearts agony being prolonged as much as we are 😜

[we are hibs]

Wonder what her grand plan to get around the sky deal is going to be.



This needs rejected asap. The unnecessary uncertainty being added to the situation is scandelous. Just concentrate on getting next season sorted.

[Jdawg]

Over on sickbag, SPFL and other clubs are terrified of court 😂.

Clubs should be unanimous on Friday and say no. You’ve had 1 attempt already. Sell Boyce and Naismith and that’s hundreds of thousands off your wage bill and “projected loss”.

[04Sauzee]

Wonder what her grand plan to get around the sky deal is going to be.



This needs rejected asap. The unnecessary uncertainty being added to the situation is scandelous. Just concentrate on getting next season sorted.
She's probably phoned somebody in the Sky call centre in Dunfermline for some advice.

[The 90+2]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/st-mirren-chief-executive-insists-22058278

I don’t see St Mirren voting for reconstruction, even if the guy tries to point out this is just his own opinion.

Good guy 😁

[Jdawg]

She's probably phoned somebody in the Sky call centre in Dunfermline for some advice.

She’s an excellent multitasker. Managed to not finish a stand, go double over budget, fail to get reconstruction, and get her team relegated all at the same time. Talk about spinning plates.

[coldingham hibs]

Over on sickbag, SPFL and other clubs are terrified of court 😂.

Clubs should be unanimous on Friday and say no. You’ve had 1 attempt already. Sell Boyce and Naismith and that’s hundreds of thousands off your wage bill and “projected loss”.

Do they know that someone would need to buy them first, a pair of duds 😂

[Jdawg]

Do they know that someone would need to buy them first, a pair of duds 😂

Very true 😂 Boyce maybe but on at least half the cash he’s on

[BenjiOscar]

Budge makes a nonsense of her decree about how no teams should be disadvantaged by this situation. Her 14-14-14 proposal would result in more teams being in a worse position. If the top two in the championship join the premiership and the top six in league one join the remaining eight then Hearts and Partick avoid relegation. That then means that Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Stranraer are effectively relegated as these four teams plus Cove could all be relegated out of the SPFL next season. Even if Cove are promoted then Dumbarton would be relegated. Whilst still tier 3 in the pyramid it would also now be the bottom tier of the SPFL. Hope Budge is told to ram her proposals.

[jacomo]

Over on sickbag, SPFL and other clubs are terrified of court 😂.

Clubs should be unanimous on Friday and say no. You’ve had 1 attempt already. Sell Boyce and Naismith and that’s hundreds of thousands off your wage bill and “projected loss”.


Yup, bricking it.

The past couple of months have not gone very well for Budge, have they? What makes the Jambos think it’s all suddenly going to go in their favour?

[Waxy]

Budge makes a nonsense of her decree about how no teams should be disadvantaged by this situation. Her 14-14-14 proposal would result in more teams being in a worse position. If the top two in the championship join the premiership and the top six in league one join the remaining eight then Hearts and Partick avoid relegation. That then means that Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Stranraer are effectively relegated as these four teams plus Cove could all be relegated out of the SPFL next season. Even if Cove are promoted then Dumbarton would be relegated. Whilst still tier 3 in the pyramid it would also now be the bottom tier of the SPFL. Hope Budge is told to ram her proposals.

Also ICT,Falkirk and Edinburgh city dont deserve to go up at all.
They were in playoff places. The whole things a shambles and enough to give ibuprofen a headache.

[ancient hibee]

Interesting to read in the Daily Mail that FOH will not be funding a legal action.

[Spike Mandela]

Posted this previously in wrong thread...

BBC Kheredine now tweeting

“Question: how many @spfl clubs will either be able to, or want to, play football behind closed doors if / when that gets the go-ahead? One chairman tells me any reconstruction may have to be based on which teams WANT to play without fans. Enough for 2 leagues of 14, for example?”

Anonymous Chairman, likely Budge or one of her cohorts. I think there’s going to be a smorgasbord of options put on the table and the arguing and deliberation will drag on and on.

[Ozyhibby]

Interesting to read in the Daily Mail that FOH will not be funding a legal action.

I doubt they could legally.


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[Waxy]

Posted this previously in wrong thread...

BBC Kheredine now tweeting

“Question: how many @spfl clubs will either be able to, or want to, play football behind closed doors if / when that gets the go-ahead? One chairman tells me any reconstruction may have to be based on which teams WANT to play without fans. Enough for 2 leagues of 14, for example?”

Anonymous Chairman, likely Budge or one of her cohorts. I think there’s going to be a smorgasbord of options put on the table and the arguing and deliberation will drag on and on.
Pampers for Kheredine.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Doncaster on Sky talking up reconstruction.

Have you actually read the full piece? That is far from talking up reconstruction. More a like a coded attack on Budge for potentially penalising the 41 and pointing a future finger at the cause of financial distress.

[Waxy]

How quickly can you play 38 games if you play Saturday/wednesday straight through?
19 weeks?
Backload the season. As long as the games get played we have a chance of getting crowds back the later we start.

[Billy Whizz]

How quickly can you play 38 games if you play Saturday/wednesday straight through?
19 weeks?
Backload the season. As long as the games get played we have a chance of getting crowds back the later we start.

The plan is to backload from the start of 2021, as it stands

[Eyrie]

How quickly can you play 38 games if you play Saturday/wednesday straight through?
19 weeks?
Backload the season. As long as the games get played we have a chance of getting crowds back the later we start.

A lot longer than that.

You'd need to factor in space for internationals, European games and cap matches. And the quality would drop off quickly if the players have to play twice a week.

[SMAXXA]

A lot longer than that.

You'd need to factor in space for internationals, European games and cap matches. And the quality would drop off quickly if the players have to play twice a week.

One shining light from all this may be that we blood more young players into first teams next season which would be good for overall Scottish football.

[we are hibs]

EFL have agreed on promotion and relegation from all 3 leagues.

[660]

EFL have agreed on promotion and relegation from all 3 leagues.

So they’re months behind us. Same thing will happen in the EPL and it will be interesting to see the fallout

[04Sauzee]

So they’re months behind us. Same thing will happen in the EPL and it will be interesting to see the fallout

Difference i think being that the EPL are looking yo play out the remainder of their season?

[Waxy]

Difference i think being that the EPL are looking yo play out the remainder of their season?

They are still promoting and relegating on average points if they cant finish it they have said.
The clubs will vote on it. Who’s been here before?

[CB_NO3]

EFL saying they will have promotion and relegation on current standings if they cannot continue.

Sure the Hearts lawyers will help them out 😂

[SouthMoroccoStu]

EFL saying they will have promotion and relegation on current standings if they cannot continue.

Sure the Hearts lawyers will help them out 😂

Maybe after they’ve got hearts into the Qatar world cup and freed Tibet

[bingo70]

EFL saying they will have promotion and relegation on current standings if they cannot continue.

Sure the Hearts lawyers will help them out 😂

George Foulkes will be going raj.

[JohnM1875]

So, all gone quiet on the reconstruction chat the past day or so. Budge is making her proposal to the SPFL tomorrow right? Wonder when we'll find anything out.

[Ronniekirk]

So, all gone quiet on the reconstruction chat the past day or so. Budge is making her proposal to the SPFL tomorrow right? Wonder when we'll find anything out.

Didn’t see any date when it was to be heard so not sure if tomorrow


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[Eyrie]

Budge is finalising her proposal for a temporary expansion of the top flight to fourteen teams which will be for next season only.

This is because there will another expansion to sixteen teams this time next year to keep Hearts up again.

[JohnM1875]

Didn’t see any date when it was to be heard so not sure if tomorrow


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Nightmare. Better hurry up. I was just going by this.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ann-budge-finalise-new-league-reconstruction-plan-friday-2858647

[Waxy]

What a lot of cack. If St Mirren were bottom Budge would be leading the get doon brigade.
Something corrupt if they get to come back up after a week doon.
Cant see it.

[Irish_Steve]

Brokeback seem to be wetting themselves that Queen of the South could be in financial difficulty. Although this particular poster seems to forget what division his team is in

David McCaig: Surely you just relegate sides who can't afford to play and replace them with sides that do.

[NYHibby]

I reckon I’ve posted this on nearly every page of this thread ��
11-1 = if the financial distribution changes/if the number of teams in the league setup change

9-3 = if the articles of association remain the same (I.e no new teams enter the league setup and all financials remain the same - which seems virtually impossible to achieve in my view?

That’s how it looks from what I’ve heard (Les Gray being the clearest on the subject) and read.

Not picking on you, but why do people keep saying that the Articles would need to be amended to change the financial distribution?

Table A in Article 156.2 (https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL%20Articles%20of%20Association%20of%2020-Jan-20%20(MASTER%20COPY)%20CLEAN.pdf) clearly sets out the payments for commercial revenue on a 1 to 42 basis. This article does not need to be amended to change the number in each division. The number of teams in each division is set out in the Rules in a section which can be amended by an ordinary resolution (ie 9-3).

Are people referring to the Articles related to the parachute payments? Because I don't see why changes to the parachute payments Articles would be strictly required. If you did not amended the Articles, you could still have a 13th and 14th place team in the Premiership be relegated without them being entitled to a parachute payment. If the 12th place team was not relegated, Article 159 would be inoperable.
(https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL%20Articles%20of%20Association%20of%2020-Jan-20%20(MASTER%20COPY)%20CLEAN.pdf)

[Peevemor]

Not picking on you, but why do people keep saying that the Articles would need to be amended to change the financial distribution?

Table A in Article 156.2 (https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL%20Articles%20of%20Association%20of%2020-Jan-20%20(MASTER%20COPY)%20CLEAN.pdf) clearly sets out the payments for commercial revenue on a 1 to 42 basis. This article does not need to be amended to change the number in each division. The number of teams in each division is set out in the Rules in a section which can be amended by an ordinary resolution (ie 9-3).

Are people referring to the Articles related to the parachute payments? Because I don't see why changes to the parachute payments Articles would be strictly required. If you did not amended the Articles, you could still have a 13th and 14th place team in the Premiership be relegated without them being entitled to a parachute payment. If the 12th place team was not relegated, Article 159 would be inoperable.
(https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL%20Articles%20of%20Association%20of%2020-Jan-20%20(MASTER%20COPY)%20CLEAN.pdf)

Because the jump between the 12th & 13th place prize money is huge, same with between 22nd & 23rd. Yes the leagues could be rejigged without changing the prize money, but it'd be pretty strange.

[Greenworld]

EFL saying they will have promotion and relegation on current standings if they cannot continue.

Sure the Hearts lawyers will help them out [emoji23]This is really good news it negates so many legal points you have to imagine if it ever went that way.

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[Heisenberg]

Because the jump between the 12th & 13th place prize money is huge, same with between 22nd & 23rd. Yes the leagues could be rejigged without changing the prize money, but it'd be pretty strange.

Although, could this not technically count as the prize money changing? First in the championship would get significantly less than they would if the leagues stayed the same?

Neil Doncaster said the other day it’d likely need 11-1 but he also hinted that there were numerous different options and caveats which could change it. Sure Budgie will be multi tasking her wee brain out trying to sort it.

[Waxy]

Gary Mackay backtracking in the evening news.
He says when i said hearts are a laughing stock, i meant Scottish football is a laughing stock.

He clearly said hearts are a laughing stock the other day.

Gary Mackay.........You are a laughing stock.

[Spike Mandela]

All gone very quiet. This reconstruction farce is going to rumble on for ages isn’t it.:rolleyes:

[Waxy]

Barry Anderson article in the EN says Stendal doubts reconstruction plan will succeed.
Deflating the jambos gently before the news.

[Aldo]

Barry Anderson article in the EN says Stendal doubts reconstruction plan will succeed.
Deflating the jambos gently before the news.

Thing is, all is very very quiet. I would think that might be a good thing because she would again be shouting from the rooftop how good it had been received.


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[Ozyhibby]

Monday now, when she presents her proposal.


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[EI255]

Monday now, when she presents her proposal.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe biggest anti climax of all time if your unlucky enough to be a Jumbo [emoji3526]

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[007]

Gary Mackay backtracking in the evening news.
He says when i said hearts are a laughing stock, i meant Scottish football is a laughing stock.

He clearly said hearts are a laughing stock the other day.

Gary Mackay.........You are a laughing stock.

Bit like when Budge backtracked on her comment saying "You shouldn't be awarded at title if you haven't played 38 games."

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/sport/hearts-claim-ann-budges-comments-on-celtic-were-taken-out-of-context/amp/

That lot are unbelievable, they say what they think people want to hear and when it doesn't go down well they just try and change what they said to something totally different.

Hopefully when Budge phones around chairmen trying to coerce them, they see right through her and vote the way that's best for their own clubs and not what she says it best for Scottish football.

[poolman]

Monday now, when she presents her proposal.


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How long does this wummin have to take to suggest a 14 or 16 league, how the f%*" does it take so long 🙄

[Eyrie]

Bit like when Budge backtracked on her comment saying "You shouldn't be awarded at title if you haven't played 38 games."

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/sport/hearts-claim-ann-budges-comments-on-celtic-were-taken-out-of-context/amp/

That lot are unbelievable, they say what they think people want to hear and when it doesn't go down well they just try and change what they said to something totally different.

Hopefully when Budge phones around chairmen trying to coerce them, they see right through her and vote the way that's best for their own clubs and not what she says it best for Scottish football.

The chairmen need to vote for the best interests of Scottish football.

That doesn't mean a hastily fudged and ill thought reconstruction to suit what is best for just two clubs out of forty two.
That doesn't mean changing the rules of the competition when it is over three quarters finished.
That doesn't mean saving two clubs from relegation by relegating four to the bottom tier.
That doesn't mean relegating three/four from the top flight and seven from the second tier in two years time.
That doesn't mean having a split after 26 games, with six clubs missing out on two home games and three/four of the other eight having nothing to play for in the second half of the season, both of which cause financial damage.

It means keeping the current structure for next season.

Fortunately that's also in the best interests of the other forty clubs.

[Waxy]

The chairmen need to vote for the best interests of Scottish football.

That doesn't mean a hastily fudged and ill thought reconstruction to suit what is best for just two clubs out of forty two.
That doesn't mean changing the rules of the competition when it is over three quarters finished.
That doesn't mean saving two clubs from relegation by relegating four to the bottom tier.
That doesn't mean relegating three/four from the top flight and seven from the second tier in two years time.
That doesn't mean having a split after 26 games, with six clubs missing out on two home games and three/four of the other eight having nothing to play for in the second half of the season, both of which cause financial damage.

It means keeping the current structure for next season.

Fortunately that's also in the best interests of the other forty clubs.

Good post.
Wondering if we could have a bit clarity on this issue?
It’s a massive long shot but should all the clubs vote in favour if saving hearts(Because that’s all what this is about really), and vote for a 14 club premier, who would actually take the two places?
Legally?
Surely Dundee would go up rather than Hearts 100%?

[Ozyhibby]

Will adding Airdrie and Montrose increase the chances of the championship going ahead next season? Can’t see those clubs being able to play behind closed doors.
Championship more likely to survive with current line up.


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[SouthMoroccoStu]

Gary Mackay backtracking in the evening news.
He says when i said hearts are a laughing stock, i meant Scottish football is a laughing stock.

He clearly said hearts are a laughing stock the other day.

Gary Mackay.........You are a laughing stock.

So is his participation in the Show Racism The Red Card campaign

[Waxy]

See why Budge has held off till Monday now.
Media campaign conn for sympathy vote and doomsday crying.
Do not be fooled.

[Onion]

See why Budge has held off till Monday now.
Media campaign conn for sympathy vote and doomsday crying.
Do not be fooled.

Looks that way. Anyone with any doubts, can now smell their desperation. They are on the brink of going BUST and begging for all the other clubs to come to their rescue. It's pathetic.

They are ripe for takeover. Either Ron could bail them out (for a penny) or each of the other Prem clubs should get an equity holding in Hearts for every pound they're giving up to save them.

Their bleating, squealing and howling is just annoying.

[Col2]

She will be going round the premier clubs begging for them to support her.

I don’t doubt she will have a few that will especially if it’s the administration card being played.

It’s beyond pathetic and totally humiliating. Their fans (going by kickback) are at bitterness levels I have never seen with a support since 2012 RFC. They genuinely want other clubs to go bust to teach them a lesson and they believe the fault of this ‘expulsion’ is the SPFL and other clubs. Nothing to do with them.

So they want clubs to go to the wall and even the FOH quoted as suggesting this will happen and they will be ok.

I have zero sympathy and again IF we vote to save them but it hurts us financially to do so then it will be unforgivable. Let be real here. If they go into Admin 2 it’s down to a £9m wage bill as much as anything. They may even get sympathy from SPFL and not a point deduction.

[calumhibee1]

She will be going round the premier clubs begging for them to support her.

I don’t doubt she will have a few that will especially if it’s the administration card being played.

It’s beyond pathetic and totally humiliating. Their fans (going by kickback) are at bitterness levels I have never seen with a support since 2012 RFC. They genuinely want other clubs to go bust to teach them a lesson and they believe the fault of this ‘expulsion’ is the SPFL and other clubs. Nothing to do with them.

So they want clubs to go to the wall and even the FOH quoted as suggesting this will happen and they will be ok.

I have zero sympathy and again IF we vote to save them but it hurts us financially to do so then it will be unforgivable. Let be real here. If they go into Admin 2 it’s down to a £9m wage bill as much as anything. They may even get sympathy from SPFL and not a point deduction.

Yup.

If they go bust it will by and large be their own fault for their ludicrous spending - the same type of spending that saw them go into admin only 6 years ago. Why the **** should any club in Scotland vote to save these cheats?

[theonlywayisup]

Posted this on another thread, but relevant here too.




Hearts could be pushed to the brink of another financial collapse next week.

The shock news comes as a group of cash-strapped Championship rivals prepare to tell the SPFL they can’t afford to start next season behind closed doors.

Record Sport understands all 10 clubs from the second tier of the Scottish game will hold a crunch conference call on Monday to discuss plans to get the 2020-21 campaign up and running.

And at least three of them are already resigned to mothballing the division until fans are allowed to return to their grounds – with one proposal already on the table to freeze football until January and then stage a truncated 18-game season.

That will be the catalyst for Hearts to submit their reconstruction plan to the SPFL in the desperate hope Premiership clubs will agree to let the Jambos stay in an expanded top flight.

If the Hearts bid fails, they face up to seven months sitting idle in a mothballed Championship.

On Friday, Dunfermline announced a total of 17 players have been freed as they slash costs in an attempt to survive without matchday revenue until 2021.

And that’s a nightmare scenario for the relegated Tynecastle club and owner Ann Budge, who is now facing a fight to save her club from a second insolvency event – six years after hauling the Edinburgh giants out of administration.

Budge is still working on a plan for league reconstruction which she hopes will throw Hearts a lifeline back into the Premiership.

And she has received support from a number of sympathetic top flight clubs who understand the catastrophic consequences of being dumped into a division which can’t return to action.

One top flight club told Record Sport: “There is a growing realisation of the immense pressure which Ann and Hearts are now under.

“To have been relegated during the coronavirus lockdown before all remaining fixtures had been played was bad enough. But if Hearts can’t play games next season then it’s impossible to see how the club could survive.

“There is a willingness to help them out of this hole. Scottish football can’t afford to sit back and do nothing if it means losing a club of this size.”

A Tynecastle source revealed on Friday night that Budge’s paper will go to clubs on Monday.

The source said: “Excellent progress has been made on the paper that is proposing an amended structure to help Scottish football through the challenges of the Covid pandemic.

“Ann has been consulting with clubs across all leagues, to understand their individual circumstances and continues to do so.

“These conversations take time but are vital in understanding the issues and challenges clubs face and refine the content of the paper.

“As such nothing will be issued until Monday, at the earliest.”

Record Sport also understands the Championship clubs expressed huge sympathy for Budge’s plight during an online meeting on Wednesday but see an expanded Premiership as their only hope.

One club chairman said: “We have to move into survival mode now. Playing the Championship behind closed doors is not viable and that is the majority view. The Premiership might be working towards a re-start in August but it simply doesn’t work for us.”

Tynecastle boss Daniel Stendel is sceptical the plan will work. He said: “Voting is complicated in Scotland and if there are only one or two votes against, it won’t go through. And as is usually the case in life, in the end, everyone looks after themselves.”

Morton are among a group of clubs who believe the division can begin behind closed doors and have been exploring the potential of raising cash from pay-per-view live streaming of matches.

But Dunfermline’s decision to cut Stevie Crawford’s squad to just a handful of players is a clear indication of the crisis about to engulf Scottish football’s second tier.

The East End Park club said: “All Scottish clubs now face uncertain times. As a consequence of this, we are afraid to announce our club will not be in a position to offer new contracts, at this time, to any of the players who are out of contract over the coming days.”

Queen of the South – with just three players under contract – are in favour of an extended shutdown and truncated campaign.

But, despite being relegated to League One, Partick Thistle are among a number of clubs in the lowest two tiers who would be able to cope financially with starting up behind closed doors.

[Heisenberg]

This could be what saves them and is clearly a last big play from Budge. Going to need to be a whole lot of sympathy throughout the leagues though. Their 14/14/16 proposal might help them, ICT and Partick but it also disadvantages other teams at various different levels. Hopefully clubs see through this bull****.

[Real Emerald]

Yup.

If they go bust it will by and large be their own fault for their ludicrous spending - the same type of spending that saw them go into admin only 6 years ago. Why the **** should any club in Scotland vote to save these cheats?
If the leagues are reconstructed then I’d be totally finished with Scottish football and my ST would be going back. The tactics are changing but the reason is still the same and that’s purely to save Hearts. I couldn’t look at games and feel they were meaningful anymore. £400 a year to watch a farcical sham, no thanks.

[lucky]

Any media spin is just that. Club owners will do what’s best for their clubs. If the Premiership is increased to 14 teams and subsequently means 3 get relegated next season and 1 in the play off why would any club outside the Old Firm vote for this? Unfortunately for Hearts the maroon pound is not as great as they think. They do take a good support to away grounds but it’s generally 1000-1500 except to Hibs and Livingston. But getting two visits from them is not enough for any club to gamble on increased relegation next season.

[Ronniekirk]

If the leagues are reconstructed then I’d be totally finished with Scottish football and my ST would be going back. The tactics are changing but the reason is still the same and that’s purely to save Hearts. I couldn’t look at games and feel they were meaningful anymore. £400 a year to watch a farcical sham, no thanks.

I have held off buying one to see what happens
Cutting my nose off to spite my face
But am not prepared to condone this if it happens , and as no fans allowed in grounds soon ,it’s an easy decision fir me to make
It’s a situation solely of Hearts making ,and they have been found out , but trying to blame the Virus [emoji3083]
It would be yet again allowing a team who has overspent off the hook
If there are no consequences ,they will do the same again
Imagine if they are reinstated and then Finish third next year by overspending
While we live within our means Pay players thier deferred wages, but finished in the bottom six ,and were fighting Relegation
If there is no Sporting Integrity snd no Financial Fair Play System ,it sucks that The Rangers and Hearts continually spend more than they should be ,chasing success ,yet then expect decisions to go there way when they throw the toys out the Pram




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[Aldo]

We’ve already lost money moving down a spot and if the 20/21 prize money has to be shared even further it’s a double whammy.

I just cannot see why clubs would want this then the potential risk of being relegated if it’s 2/3/4 teams straight down after temp reconstruction.

To think they are doing this to help other clubs in Scottish Football is way off the mark...... it’s all about them.

If they had been managed correctly they would be in this position. The £3 million quoted by Budge is their shortfall in 2 months wages/running costs and that along with what £6 million donations shows how badly they have been.

It’s bad when Budge gets the begging bowl out to other clubs and the sympathy vote yet when it fails it’ll be everyone else’s fault bar their own


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[KeithTheHibby]

Not sure why any other team should have sympathy for them. The amount of money they have wasted in the last few years is incredible. The fact that they continue to keep a sacked manager and his assistant at the club and on the payroll is staggering and won’t be lost on other clubs when deciding what is best.

[Jakhog1]

Not sure why any other team should have sympathy for them. The amount of money they have wasted in the last few years is incredible. The fact that they continue to keep a sacked manager and his assistant at the club and on the payroll is staggering and won’t be lost on other clubs when deciding what is best.

That's the key point, the amount of money they have spent is ridiculous to achieve hee haw the last 7 years, they finished bottom and that should be the end of the story, hopefully all these factors are noted when the club's decide their fate

[Mikey]

If the leagues are reconstructed then I’d be totally finished with Scottish football and my ST would be going back. The tactics are changing but the reason is still the same and that’s purely to save Hearts. I couldn’t look at games and feel they were meaningful anymore. £400 a year to watch a farcical sham, no thanks.

Yep, me too. It would be unforgivable if they get bailed out.

[Waxy]

If the leagues are reconstructed then I’d be totally finished with Scottish football and my ST would be going back. The tactics are changing but the reason is still the same and that’s purely to save Hearts. I couldn’t look at games and feel they were meaningful anymore. £400 a year to watch a farcical sham, no thanks.

Spot on.
And hearts have had the cheek to call the SPFL corrupt.
They’re a disgrace.

[jacomo]

Looks that way. Anyone with any doubts, can now smell their desperation. They are on the brink of going BUST and begging for all the other clubs to come to their rescue. It's pathetic.

They are ripe for takeover. Either Ron could bail them out (for a penny) or each of the other Prem clubs should get an equity holding in Hearts for every pound they're giving up to save them.

Their bleating, squealing and howling is just annoying.



It’s a big bluff.

Hearts have access to significant wealth and can easily ride out a prolonged shut down. Budge, Benny Factor and FOH can all help.

Other clubs are in a much more perilous state.

So why make an exception for Hearts?

[007]

See why Budge has held off till Monday now.
Media campaign conn for sympathy vote and doomsday crying.
Do not be fooled.

Tom English has probably told her he and MS will be promoting their cause on Sportsound over the weekend. Now they just have to decide what to fill the other 10% of the airtime with.

[rossevenil]

They are going to get out of this,I hate to say it but the extension after extension just stinks,now its Monday at the earliest for her new proposal!!

Once again they are going to show their inability to balance a budget and gain success and get away with it,if this is all about THEIR financial state then fine,let them stay up and they can have
a 15pt deduction to start the season!

[Real Emerald]

Tom English has probably told her he and MS will be promoting their cause on Sportsound over the weekend. Now they just have to decide what to fill the other 10% of the airtime with.

What time is the Save the Hearts show on today?

[Blaster]

If reconstruction is being considered it should be 12-12-10-10

It means Hearts would be the only team relegated, all teams promoted who should have been. Hearts could get some sort of compensation (eg some of the parachute payment the 11th team would have received if they’d gone down).

I know folk say why should they be compensated for being bottom. I think everyone agrees it’s not 100% fair with 8 games to go and this would be some sort of compromise

[007]

She will be going round the premier clubs begging for them to support her.

I don’t doubt she will have a few that will especially if it’s the administration card being played.

It’s beyond pathetic and totally humiliating. Their fans (going by kickback) are at bitterness levels I have never seen with a support since 2012 RFC. They genuinely want other clubs to go bust to teach them a lesson and they believe the fault of this ‘expulsion’ is the SPFL and other clubs. Nothing to do with them.

So they want clubs to go to the wall and even the FOH quoted as suggesting this will happen and they will be ok.

I have zero sympathy and again IF we vote to save them but it hurts us financially to do so then it will be unforgivable. Let be real here. If they go into Admin 2 it’s down to a £9m wage bill as much as anything. They may even get sympathy from SPFL and not a point deduction.

Yep, despicable to want other clubs to go bust to save yours. I doubt Hearts will go bust, they've already got the mechanism in place for the fans to put money in and I think they'll increase their donations. Budge has recently been paid back £2.5m so could lend it to them and get it paid back in a similar way to before. Or would she wait until Admin before stepping back in?

I can see the reconstruction vote falling short on the grounds that clubs have a duty to vote for what is best for their shareholders. Whilst they might have a lot of sympathy for Hearts, they're duty bound to vote for no change if it is best financially for their clubs. At the end of the day the clubs' boards have to base their business decisions on cold hard facts & figures and not sentiment for Hearts. Budge as a top businesswoman should understand that, that's how she'd act if the roles were reversed as is evidenced by the tough stance she took with the players on their wages 5 minutes after the shutdown was announced.

[JimBHibees]

What time is the Save the Hearts show on today?

2pm

[ronaldo7]

If Hearts go pop, it shouldn't be too much trouble to bring in another club like, maybe, Kelty Hearts. If Ann really is looking after everyone, she'll not stand in the way of others.

[Waxy]

Tom English has probably told her he and MS will be promoting their cause on Sportsound over the weekend. Now they just have to decide what to fill the other 10% of the airtime with.

Its a last gasp sympathy/doomsday scenario bunch of lies.
I believe in the SPFL and its members to see through them.

[Rumble de Thump]

If reconstruction is being considered it should be 12-12-10-10

It means Hearts would be the only team relegated, all teams promoted who should have been. Hearts could get some sort of compensation (eg some of the parachute payment the 11th team would have received if they’d gone down).

I know folk say why should they be compensated for being bottom. I think everyone agrees it’s not 100% fair with 8 games to go and this would be some sort of compromise

It's 100% fair. It's the rules and they approved those rules.

[04Sauzee]

Hearts are struggling for cash but have save the children on their shirts again 🤔

[Real Emerald]

Hearts are struggling for cash but have save the children on their shirts again 🤔

They could sell Hickey to Barcelona for many £millions, problem solved. 😂

[Greenworld]

Hearts are struggling for cash but have save the children on their shirts again [emoji848]Its there new nickname

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[Waxy]

Hearts are struggling for cash but have save the children on their shirts again 🤔

And tynecastle isn’t called the curlywurly arena?🤔

[McD]

Has anyone asked AB what would happen if the season had been completed and they’d finished bottom then?

yiu know, since reconstruction is only about clubs not being penalised by the covid 19 situation

[jeffers]

Has anyone asked AB what would happen if the season had been completed and they’d finished bottom then?

yiu know, since reconstruction is only about clubs not being penalised by the covid 19 situation

Ending early works to their advantage as they can claim they have been hard done to.

[A Hi-Bee]

To late for Expulsion or Emulsion or re-calibration are they gone yet!
As far as I am aware they are relegated as they are the bottom worst team in that division, so by default they go down, not up but down.
**** the hertz.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[mjhibby]

Has anyone asked AB what would happen if the season had been completed and they’d finished bottom then?

yiu know, since reconstruction is only about clubs not being penalised by the covid 19 situation

The glaringly obvious question that nobody has posed at all. Funny that. If the virus had been after the season had finished what would be their reason for reconstruction. There isn’t one. End of.

[jacomo]

Has anyone asked AB what would happen if the season had been completed and they’d finished bottom then?

yiu know, since reconstruction is only about clubs not being penalised by the covid 19 situation


I believe her explanation for them sitting 12th when the season was suspended was that they had a bad start and ‘hadn’t quite got out of trouble yet’.

I don’t think she had prepared for the possibility at all. If you asked her, she would tell you that Hearts would not be in 12th after 38 games.

[theonlywayisup]

I believe her explanation for them sitting 12th when the season was suspended was that they had a bad start and ‘hadn’t quite got out of trouble yet’.

I don’t think she had prepared for the possibility at all. If you asked her, she would tell you that Hearts would not be in 12th after 38 games.

I've heard comments that the Hertz were starting to pick up points, but in the last eight games the points gained per team per game were:

Hertz 1.13
Hamilton 1.13 (4 points ahead)
Ross County 0.88 (6 points ahead)
St Mirren 1.25 (6 points ahead)
Kilmarnock 1.25 (10 points ahead)
St Johnstone 1.63 (13 points ahead)
Hibernian 1.13 (14 points ahead)

They were going nowhere quickly, apart from the Championship.

[007]

Has anyone asked AB what would happen if the season had been completed and they’d finished bottom then?

yiu know, since reconstruction is only about clubs not being penalised by the covid 19 situation

She wouldn't be able to answer. On 17th December she said she'd wait 2-3 months before she'd start making contingency plans for relegation if things hadn't improved, but then 2 months and 25 days later football was shut down so she hadn't yet started working out what she was going to do.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-agm-ann-budge-talks-daniel-stendel-and-craig-levein-plus-passionate-plea-gary-locke-1343874

[PatHead]

She wouldn't be able to answer. On 17th December she said she'd wait 2-3 months before she'd start making contingency plans for relegation if things hadn't improved, but then 2 months and 25 days later football was shut down so she hadn't yet started working out what she was going to do.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-agm-ann-budge-talks-daniel-stendel-and-craig-levein-plus-passionate-plea-gary-locke-1343874
Did Daniel ever get his coaching team in or did he just rely on whoever was stoating around?

[Waxy]

I hope this documentary tells everything including the legal action threats.

[jacomo]

I hope this documentary tells everything including the legal action threats.


The people making the documentary can’t believe their luck. They wanted a big story and they’ve got one.

[Eyrie]

The people making the documentary can’t believe their luck. They wanted a big story and they’ve got one.

"Hearts of Darkness - a football club's apocalypse".

They had access to too much money, too many players and little by little they were relegated.

The similarities are unreal. Budge as Coppola, Stendel as Captain Willard and Levein as Colonel Kurtz.

[whiskyhibby]

They are going to get out of this,I hate to say it but the extension after extension just stinks,now its Monday at the earliest for her new proposal!!

Once again they are going to show their inability to balance a budget and gain success and get away with it,if this is all about THEIR financial state then fine,let them stay up and they can have
a 15pt deduction to start the season!

How about expand the top league to those clubs which can financially afford to compete, Championship and lower leagues put into suspension for a year and then for 21/22 season HoMFC are placed back into the Championship irrespective of their performance in the 20/21 season 🤔

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

They have no shame. Get them relegated.

[greenpaper55]

Do you think that Hearts would be looking for league reconstruction if they had finished last with all the games played ? I think they would as their finances are so precarious due to their overspending. Most teams who are relegated to the championship can survive one or two seasons there with big squads but reading between the lines the conclusion can only be that they have gambled on spending their way out of bottom place and now have nowhere to turn.

[Greenworld]

Do you think that Hearts would be looking for league reconstruction if they had finished last with all the games played ? I think they would as their finances are so precarious due to their overspending. Most teams who are relegated to the championship can survive one or two seasons there with big squads but reading between the lines the conclusion can only be that they have gambled on spending their way out of bottom place and now have nowhere to turn.Its hard to keep up with the Financials at hearts one minute they are going to loose 3 million the next the fans are digging deep and benny is back to plug the hole.
I for what its worth think the premier and Championship will be as it is now no change . The championship clubs would be foolish to vote for change Hearts are their Savior this season fans will be back sooner than some predict and hearts fans will travel in numbers once everything has calmed down helping the championship clubs .


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[Heisenberg]

Surely the SPFL could’ve put a deadline on this Budge proposal. Ridiculous that she’s been given free reign to do as she pleases.

[007]

Nothing much has changed since the Premiership meeting kiboshed the reconstruction chat. A story came out that Hearts could go bust in the Championship but then Hearts clarified that they wouldn't.

The league was confirmed as completed but pretty much everybody had known for weeks that would happen. The only other thing that might change things is Dunfermline releasing 17 players. Not really a surprise and I expect others will follow suit. Once things become clearer re a starting date and a structure then I'd expect clubs to begin recruiting again, albeit it they'll probably operate with smaller squads and less player contracts of 2 years or more.

As far as reconstruction goes, I wouldn't think the Dunfermline situation will come as a surprise to anyone so I don't see how it would change any of the Premiership clubs' minds. 6 clubs said they were against it and IIRC they hadn't even gone round the whole 'virtual' table.

St Mirren, St Johnstone, Ross County, Hibs, Aberdeen and Dundee United said 'no'. Celtic and Rangers are 'yes' and Aberdeen have since switched. Hearts are now in the Championship. Livingston previously said they wanted a permanent 14-10-10-10 so for arguements sake I'd class them as a 'yes' just now. AFAIK Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Hamilton haven't said one way or another but I can imagine them having a similar view to the 'no' camp. It is difficult to see how enough clubs would follow Aberdeen and switch to 'yes'. It is no surprise that it is the 3 clubs least likely to be battling against religation or in the bottom 'half' at the split and potentially 10 meaningless games, that are saying 'yes'.

[Jdawg]

Its hard to keep up with the Financials at hearts one minute they are going to loose 3 million the next the fans are digging deep and benny is back to plug the hole.
I for what its worth think the premier and Championship will be as it is now no change . The championship clubs would be foolish to vote for change Hearts are their Savior this season fans will be back sooner than some predict and hearts fans will travel in numbers once everything has calmed down helping the championship clubs .


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The nonsense that they will boycott away games when football restarts is ridiculous. Everyone is absolutely choking to go and watch football. I bet half the folk on sickbag saying that don’t even go anyway. Their away support isn’t that big anyway.

[Col2]

Listening to Sunday Sportsound.

Roy MacGregor suggesting he is open to helping all 42 clubs and we should focus of survival for all clubs. Asked about reconstruction and was diplomatic but clear likes the 12 team league and reading between the lines sounds like he doesn’t think reconstruction can happen quickly. So that will be a NO then.

[The Falcon]

Do you think that Hearts would be looking for league reconstruction if they had finished last with all the games played ? I think they would as their finances are so precarious due to their overspending. Most teams who are relegated to the championship can survive one or two seasons there with big squads but reading between the lines the conclusion can only be that they have gambled on spending their way out of bottom place and now have nowhere to turn.

If Hearts werent bottom and other clubs were going bust they would be lecturing them about prudent management and stating there were/are too many clubs anyway.

On the subject of finances could any of the finance guys shed any light on their new main stand? Guys on twitter saying Hearts have "no debt" yet the stand is now at £20m+? And apparently "finance is in place" for it's completion?

[calumhibee1]

The nonsense that they will boycott away games when football restarts is ridiculous. Everyone is absolutely choking to go and watch football. I bet half the folk on sickbag saying that don’t even go anyway. Their away support isn’t that big anyway.

EVERY team will be missing out on 3000+ Hearts fans once or twice a season they’ll have you believe 😂

[jingler1954]

If hearts want to expand the league how about 1 down 3 up I think that is fair.

[FilipinoHibs]

If Hearts werent bottom and other clubs were going bust they would be lecturing them about prudent management and stating there were/are too many clubs anyway.

On the subject of finances could any of the finance guys shed any light on their new main stand? Guys on twitter saying Hearts have "no debt" yet the stand is now at £20m+? And apparently "finance is in place" for it's completion?

They have debt to Budge, she put up a £1,9 million loan facility. They used most of it and most remains outstanding. They also owe Budge's brother £400k. We won't know till accounts come out how much is still outstanding. Their biggest debt are the players contracts. Financing to finish the stand would have to come from FOH or the mysterious benefactor who seems to have disappeared. So nothing in place. More Yamanomics or cock and bull.

[Tom Hart RIP]

According to Kickback they intend boycotting all away games so why would any league want them?

[The Falcon]

They have debt to Budge, she put up a £1,9 million loan facility. They used most of it and most remains outstanding. They also owe Budge's brother £400k. We won't know till accounts come out how much is still outstanding. Their biggest debt are the players contracts. Financing to finish the stand would have to come from FOH or the mysterious benefactor who seems to have disappeared. So nothing in place. More Yamanomics or cock and bull.

Initial costs were around £12m of which wealthy fans had pronised £3m and FOH another £3m but latest costs (Budge has more or less confirmed) put it around £21m with a further £1.5m needed to complete the thing. Thats a significant shortfall.

[Ronniekirk]

Surely the SPFL could’ve put a deadline on this Budge proposal. Ridiculous that she’s been given free reign to do as she pleases.

The problem now is there is no need to decide now if there is a willingness to genuinely look at Restructuring
There is a bit of leeway if Clubs aren’t even starting training till 10 th June


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[Col2]

They have debt to Budge, she put up a £1,9 million loan facility. They used most of it and most remains outstanding. They also owe Budge's brother £400k. We won't know till accounts come out how much is still outstanding. Their biggest debt are the players contracts. Financing to finish the stand would have to come from FOH or the mysterious benefactor who seems to have disappeared. So nothing in place. More Yamanomics or cock and bull.

Yup that seem about right. They may decide not to complete the stand (£1.5m they don’t have). The wage bill was c£9m and with AB saying they would be £3m worse off and benefactors dried up then even some more £20pm FOH direct debits are not even going to scratch the surface of the short fall.

Every club will have a massive income short fall including us. For Hearts is a double whammy and a rough estimate would suggest they could have a £6m short fall in income from last season. They can’t cancel contracts (remember they are loaded with base pay being high and less about performance). Administration would give them a chance to clear the commitments and make players redundant immediately.

[calumhibee1]

The problem now is there is no need to decide now if there is a willingness to genuinely look at Restructuring
There is a bit of leeway if Clubs aren’t even starting training till 10 th June


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There’s already not enough time, it would be a totally botched attempt drawn up with little consideration due to time constraints. So I suppose in that sense there is no rush, it’s already going to be a **** show if it goes through.

[chippy]

Listening to Sunday Sportsound.

Roy MacGregor suggesting he is open to helping all 42 clubs and we should focus of survival for all clubs. Asked about reconstruction and was diplomatic but clear likes the 12 team league and reading between the lines sounds like he doesn’t think reconstruction can happen quickly. So that will be a NO then.

With complete disrespect to Roy McGregor and his tiny club he and they should not be calling the shots in Scottish football.

[we are hibs]

With complete disrespect to Roy McGregor and his tiny club he and they should not be calling the shots in Scottish football.

You seem desperate for reconstruction to be forced through.

[Greenworld]

With complete disrespect to Roy McGregor and his tiny club he and they should not be calling the shots in Scottish football.How are they Tiny they are in the premiership and you are in the Championship

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[ancient hibee]

With complete disrespect to Roy McGregor and his tiny club he and they should not be calling the shots in Scottish football.

Yes quite right.It's not as if they ever win anything.Oh wait a minute.

[Bostonhibby]

How are they Tiny they are in the premiership and you are in the Championship

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using TapatalkAnd the voting rights and members status was agreed long before the sudden dash to reconstruction came along.

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[blackpoolhibs]

How are they Tiny they are in the premiership and you are in the Championship

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Glad i'm not the only one thinking this. :agree:

[Jim44]

According to Kickback they intend boycotting all away games so why would any league want them?

Do muppets who threaten boycotts and see them through, ever wonder about the negative effect they have on their players? If the club’s main priority is to win matches, amass points and eventually secure promotion or some other benefit, depriving the home team of cash is far less important than getting behind your team. But I suppose that’s putting common sense before emotion and spite. Carry on, muppets.

[hibbyfraelibby]

According to Kickback they intend boycotting all away games so why would any league want them?

How can you boycot behind closed doors games...or a mothballed league?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Glad i'm not the only one thinking this. :agree:

Do they have deep fried potato products in Auckland? Wonder if his pal Doug gets his kiwi deepfried like our mars bars

[CapitalGreen]

According to Kickback they intend boycotting all away games so why would any league want them?

The fallacy in this boycott idea is that if they go through with it, opposing fans will reciprocate. And if opposing fans do start boycotting Tynecastle then Hearts will miss out on income from away supporters for 18 home games while opposition teams will only miss out on away (Hearts) supporters income on 2 occasions.

[Greenworld]

The fallacy in this boycott idea is that if they go through with it, opposing fans will reciprocate. And if opposing fans do start boycotting Tynecastle then Hearts will miss out on income from away supporters for 18 home games while opposition teams will only miss out on away (Hearts) supporters income on 2 occasions.Im Boycotting Tynecastle next season

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[The 90+2]

With complete disrespect to Roy McGregor and his tiny club he and they should not be calling the shots in Scottish football.

Every member club has as much right as the other. Perhaps we shouldn’t get a say with our 40,000 less supporters than Celtic?

[The 90+2]

Do muppets who threaten boycotts and see them through, ever wonder about the negative effect they have on their players? If the club’s main priority is to win matches, amass points and eventually secure promotion or some other benefit, depriving the home team of cash is far less important than getting behind your team. But I suppose that’s putting common sense before emotion and spite. Carry on, muppets.

Rangers did against Dundee Utd one cup pumping ago.

[The 90+2]

Im Boycotting Tynecastle next season

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Not for me, I hear they have booked the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra in honour of their Daniel.

[007]

Listening to Sunday Sportsound.

Roy MacGregor suggesting he is open to helping all 42 clubs and we should focus of survival for all clubs. Asked about reconstruction and was diplomatic but clear likes the 12 team league and reading between the lines sounds like he doesn’t think reconstruction can happen quickly. So that will be a NO then.

Ro MacGregor spoke a lot of sense and Sportsound was refreshing not having Tom English or Michael Stewart there to interrupt someone because they're out of sync with their agenda.

[chippy]

You seem desperate for reconstruction to be forced through.

Not desperate , but I get the implication,

[Waxy]

With complete disrespect to Roy McGregor and his tiny club he and they should not be calling the shots in Scottish football.

Really cant see any reason why any Hibs fan would actively want reconstruction.
It’s simply less money for us.

[chippy]

Every member club has as much right as the other. Perhaps we shouldn’t get a say with our 40,000 less supporters than Celtic?

I’d restrict it to solvent full time clubs

[Andy74]

They have no shame. Get them relegated.

They’ve already been relegated.

[Eyrie]

I’d restrict it to solvent full time clubs

So how many clubs would that leave? In how many leagues? Playing how many games? What would you do if a non-league club wanted to go full time and join? Of if a club could no longer afford to be full time?

I assume you have a carefully thought out proposal here and you're not making it up as you go along, Budge-style.

[Kojock]

I’d restrict it to solvent full time clubs

I'd suggest you stop sniffing the solvent.

[chippy]

I'd suggest you stop sniffing the solvent.

Cheers eejit

[Kojock]

Cheers eejit

Did you listen to McGregors interview? He wasn't calling the shots, he was asked questions and answered them in a sensible non knee jerk way. He's the chairman of an an SPL club has has as much right to voice his opinion as the rest.

[Greenworld]

I’d restrict it to solvent full time clubsThat counts hearts out

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[Hibby70]

"Hearts of Darkness - a football club's apocalypse".

They had access to too much money, too many players and little by little they were relegated.

The similarities are unreal. Budge as Coppola, Stendel as Captain Willard and Levein as Colonel Kurtz.

I love the smell of Nae Yams in the morning.

[chippy]

So how many clubs would that leave? In how many leagues? Playing how many games? What would you do if a non-league club wanted to go full time and join? Of if a club could no longer afford to be full time?

I assume you have a carefully thought out proposal here and you're not making it up as you go along, Budge-style.

How many will be left in the next few months is anybody’s guess. Talk of. Leagues 1 and 2 mothballing for a year and perhaps an 18 game championship if at all. The only money around will be season ticket sales and the Sky £25 mill per season. Clubs like ours cannot mothball with lots of guys on 1-3 year contracts plus other key staff and an academy to run.
Hopefully guys like Cormack and Ron can do an add on to the Sky deal so that all the games are on Sky over the weekend. Who should get the dough? I suggest the Premier and Championship clubs plus Raith and Falkirk if they have a minimum amount of full time players. 24 clubs in 2 divisions , 2x12 or 14/10. Let the part time clubs in leagues 1 and 2 mothball for a season , leave it at that. Also share out premier academy players to the 2nd tier

[chippy]

That counts hearts out

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That’s what I implied

[Waxy]

How many will be left in the next few months is anybody’s guess. Talk of. Leagues 1 and 2 mothballing for a year and perhaps an 18 game championship if at all. The only money around will be season ticket sales and the Sky £25 mill per season. Clubs like ours cannot mothball with lots of guys on 1-3 year contracts plus other key staff and an academy to run.
Hopefully guys like Cormack and Ron can do an add on to the Sky deal so that all the games are on Sky over the weekend. Who should get the dough? I suggest the Premier and Championship clubs plus Raith and Falkirk if they have a minimum amount of full time players. 24 clubs in 2 divisions , 2x12 or 14/10. Let the part time clubs in leagues 1 and 2 mothball for a season , leave it at that. Also share out premier academy players to the 2nd tier

The statistics say the virus is decreasing everyday.Well be back in front of crowds before we know it. Its only doom mongers doing what they do.
Football is restarting all over Europe now.

[Waxy]

Have to laugh at this 18 game championship plan too.
No one knows who made it up and everyones horrified by it.
Dont do it then there is no need.

[Badabing]

The statistics say the virus is decreasing everyday.Well be back in front of crowds before we know it. Its only doom mongers doing what they do.
Football is restarting all over Europe now.

Perhaps it’s decreasing because there are no crowds.:wink: Anywhere.

[JohnMcM]

How many will be left in the next few months is anybody’s guess. Talk of. Leagues 1 and 2 mothballing for a year and perhaps an 18 game championship if at all. The only money around will be season ticket sales and the Sky £25 mill per season. Clubs like ours cannot mothball with lots of guys on 1-3 year contracts plus other key staff and an academy to run.
Hopefully guys like Cormack and Ron can do an add on to the Sky deal so that all the games are on Sky over the weekend. Who should get the dough? I suggest the Premier and Championship clubs plus Raith and Falkirk if they have a minimum amount of full time players. 24 clubs in 2 divisions , 2x12 or 14/10. Let the part time clubs in leagues 1 and 2 mothball for a season , leave it at that. Also share out premier academy players to the 2nd tier

This is a difficult time for Scottish football of which there is no arguement. Some people are sensitive to the needs of others in looking to the future and attempting to care for the football family.

Of course clubs will look after themselves in the first place, even then, the majority seem to be looking at the wider picture. I think there have only been 5 or 6 who through the spoken or written word have proven to be purely selfish.

The extract above in bold appears not to be exactly supportive of a "we're all in this together approach" and suggests sacrificing others for personal gain only. What about all those players, staff and families in those two leagues who may be reliant upon their income from football?

I want Scottish football to survive and to survive in good grace.

[hibbyfraelibby]

How many will be left in the next few months is anybody’s guess. Talk of. Leagues 1 and 2 mothballing for a year and perhaps an 18 game championship if at all. The only money around will be season ticket sales and the Sky £25 mill per season. Clubs like ours cannot mothball with lots of guys on 1-3 year contracts plus other key staff and an academy to run.
Hopefully guys like Cormack and Ron can do an add on to the Sky deal so that all the games are on Sky over the weekend. Who should get the dough? I suggest the Premier and Championship clubs plus Raith and Falkirk if they have a minimum amount of full time players. 24 clubs in 2 divisions , 2x12 or 14/10. Let the part time clubs in leagues 1 and 2 mothball for a season , leave it at that. Also share out premier academy players to the 2nd tier

Admins do us all a favour with this deep cover yam and adopt the NASA option...3,2,1, Launch

[04Sauzee]

How many will be left in the next few months is anybody’s guess. Talk of. Leagues 1 and 2 mothballing for a year and perhaps an 18 game championship if at all. The only money around will be season ticket sales and the Sky £25 mill per season. Clubs like ours cannot mothball with lots of guys on 1-3 year contracts plus other key staff and an academy to run.
Hopefully guys like Cormack and Ron can do an add on to the Sky deal so that all the games are on Sky over the weekend. Who should get the dough? I suggest the Premier and Championship clubs plus Raith and Falkirk if they have a minimum amount of full time players. 24 clubs in 2 divisions , 2x12 or 14/10. Let the part time clubs in leagues 1 and 2 mothball for a season , leave it at that. Also share out premier academy players to the 2nd tier

Falkirk and Hearts in the top league? No danger

[jacomo]

Perhaps it’s decreasing because there are no crowds.:wink: Anywhere.


Of course.

[Waxy]

Admins do us all a favour with this deep cover yam and adopt the NASA option...3,2,1, Launch

I’ll second this.

[chippy]

Falkirk and Hearts in the top league? No danger

Not what I said read the post

[chippy]

Admins do us all a favour with this deep cover yam and adopt the NASA option...3,2,1, Launch

Clever argument

[Aldo]

Falkirk and Hearts in the top league? No danger

They don’t deserve to be there at this moment in time


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[Jim44]

I love the smell of Nae Yams in the morning.

:thumbsup: There’s always room for a good pun on Hibs.net.

[Aldo]

How many will be left in the next few months is anybody’s guess. Talk of. Leagues 1 and 2 mothballing for a year and perhaps an 18 game championship if at all. The only money around will be season ticket sales and the Sky £25 mill per season. Clubs like ours cannot mothball with lots of guys on 1-3 year contracts plus other key staff and an academy to run.
Hopefully guys like Cormack and Ron can do an add on to the Sky deal so that all the games are on Sky over the weekend. Who should get the dough? I suggest the Premier and Championship clubs plus Raith and Falkirk if they have a minimum amount of full time players. 24 clubs in 2 divisions , 2x12 or 14/10. Let the part time clubs in leagues 1 and 2 mothball for a season , leave it at that. Also share out premier academy players to the 2nd tier

That’s a Budge way of thinking from a few years back. Tell me this... why should we’ll run teams in get lower leagues be mothballed??

Why shouldn’t part time teams be allowed?? What about Alloa, Arbroath and others not be included.

So you would just do away with Part time teams for a few seasons. That’s guys’ll disrespectful to those teams that are in the lower leagues and are part time.

Guaranteed they are better run than Hearts


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[chippy]

How many will be left in the next few months is anybody’s guess. Talk of. Leagues 1 and 2 mothballing for a year and perhaps an 18 game championship if at all. The only money around will be season ticket sales and the Sky £25 mill per season. Clubs like ours cannot mothball with lots of guys on 1-3 year contracts plus other key staff and an academy to run.
Hopefully guys like Cormack and Ron can do an add on to the Sky deal so that all the games are on Sky over the weekend. Who should get the dough? I suggest the Premier and Championship clubs plus Raith and Falkirk if they have a minimum amount of full time players. 24 clubs in 2 divisions , 2x12 or 14/10. Let the part time clubs in leagues 1 and 2 mothball for a season , leave it at that. Also share out premier academy players to the 2nd tier

This is a difficult time for Scottish football of which there is no arguement. Some people are sensitive to the needs of others in looking to the future and attempting to care for the football family.

Of course clubs will look after themselves in the first place, even then, the majority seem to be looking at the wider picture. I think there have only been 5 or 6 who through the spoken or written word have proven to be purely selfish.

The extract above in bold appears not to be exactly supportive of a "we're all in this together approach" and suggests sacrificing others for personal gain only. What about all those players, staff and families in those two leagues who may be reliant upon their income from football?

I want Scottish football to survive and to survive in good grace.

It’s not me that’s talking about mothballing leagues 1 and 2 clubs themselves apparently. Should Hibs season ticket holders subsidise them then or do you want it to got to keep Hibs paying our staff?

[JohnMcM]

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It’s not me that’s talking about mothballing leagues 1 and 2 clubs themselves apparently. Should Hibs season ticket holders subsidise them then or do you want it to got to keep Hibs paying our staff?

There you go Admins! I've outed him/her. Will you launch now? :greengrin

[MrSmith]

[QUOTE=chippy;6182625]
[/B]
There you go Admins! I've outed him/her. Will you launch now? :greengrin


he/she is not a bad poster but we’ve all known for a while their leanings :aok:

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

They’ve already been relegated.

Only after the talk of reconstruction has been put to bed.

[Radium]

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[Canon Hannan]

Ideally an 18 team League for diversification please.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

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[tamig]

Only after the talk of reconstruction has been put to bed.

They’re relegated as things stand.

[Andy74]

Only after the talk of reconstruction has been put to bed.

No, they’ve been relegated. Reconstruction won’t change that, even if they get to play in the top league next year.

[Waxy]

USA to have crowds back at PGA golf events by July.
Nothing to do with reconstruction but its good news (maybe)

[roo62]

The statistics say the virus is decreasing everyday.Well be back in front of crowds before we know it. Its only doom mongers doing what they do.
Football is restarting all over Europe now.

Do you think it may be feasible for the lower league teams to actually play in front of 200 - 500 crowds and fans ably socially distancing around the ground and generate some income? Surely not beyond the realms of possibility.

[Waxy]

Do you think it may be feasible for the lower league teams to actually play in front of 200 - 500 crowds and fans ably socially distancing around the ground and generate some income? Surely not beyond the realms of possibility.

If they use a hub stadium with 10,000 or so seats like they were saying, surely they can fit enough fans in until crowds are allowed.
It’s all up to Nicola i guess.

[The 90+2]

I’d restrict it to solvent full time clubs

Rules out hearts I suppose. I’m in 👍

[Joe6-2]

What time is the great reveal tomorrow?

[The 90+2]

What time is the great reveal tomorrow?

Some toast and marmalade flushed down with a cup of tea listening to some classical fm, a little phone call to see how Levein is and then I think she will be ready 👍

[007]

What time is the great reveal tomorrow?

It probably won't be tomorrow. It was reported as tomorrow at the earliest.

[Waxy]

What time is the great reveal tomorrow?

14-14-16 by lunchtime.
In the bin by 5pm

[snedzuk]

Some toast and marmalade flushed down with a cup of tea listening to some classical fm, a little shout upstairs to see how Levein is and then I think she will be ready 👍

Fixed that for you

[The 90+2]

Fixed that for you

😂😂

[SMAXXA]

So much good has come out of Hibs this last couple of months, if we vote for reconstruction that saves Hearts I think it will undo a lot of it for quite a lot of Hibs fans. Intrigued to see our view on it.

[660]

So much good has come out of Hibs this last couple of months, if we vote for reconstruction that saves Hearts I think it will undo a lot of it for quite a lot of Hibs fans. Intrigued to see our view on it.

Hibs would be utterly mental to go for reconstruction. I genuinely can’t think of a single coherent reason.

[mjhibby]

Hibs would be utterly mental to go for reconstruction. I genuinely can’t think of a single coherent reason.

Exactly. Any reconstruction should be to help everybody not just one club. If there was an ideal league I’m sure it would have been sorted quickly. I suspect the proposals won’t go to to a vote but hertz,Partick and Stranraer will get bigger parachute payments. There is no appetite for a 14 top league so unless there is some proposal nobody’s thought of its a goner. I’m sure she will keep trying but sky will have the final say I strongly suspect.

[Wakeyhibee]

Do you think it may be feasible for the lower league teams to actually play in front of 200 - 500 crowds and fans ably socially distancing around the ground and generate some income? Surely not beyond the realms of possibility.

Is the first issue not testing, and its costs?

in terms of crowd size you'd hope there's some optimism there.

Having said that if they were to be first back would that not cause a problem in itself? A lot of neutrals would go along.

[Wakeyhibee]

What time is the great reveal tomorrow?

I dont think doing a "Zoom" in the buff is gonna win any votes.

[Ozyhibby]

Exactly. Any reconstruction should be to help everybody not just one club. If there was an ideal league I’m sure it would have been sorted quickly. I suspect the proposals won’t go to to a vote but hertz,Partick and Stranraer will get bigger parachute payments. There is no appetite for a 14 top league so unless there is some proposal nobody’s thought of its a goner. I’m sure she will keep trying but sky will have the final say I strongly suspect.

You would need a vote of 11-1 in prem to give bigger parachute payments. It would involve all the other clubs gifting money to Hearts. Why should Hamilton gift money to Hearts who have many multiple of the money Hamilton has coming in every year? Why should Ross County subsidise Liam Boyce’s wages?
If Hearts need money, sell Hickey. Trim that squad down to the size most clubs get by on every year. Begging for more money while continuing to spend like they are billionaire doesn’t sit right. Show that they mean business.


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[The Count]

Hearts as it stands today are a Championship club.They vote in any vote as a Championship club.So if reconstruction occurs why would Hearts automatically be one of the two clubs that are promoted.To me that is different from if they were still a Premier club and reconstuction occurs then they stay in the Premiership snd are joined by the top two from the Championship.There must be a legal difference here.

[allezsauzee]

Hearts as it stands today are a Championship club.They vote in any vote as a Championship club.So if reconstruction occurs why would Hearts automatically be one of the two clubs that are promoted.To me that is different from if they were still a Premier club and reconstuction occurs then they stay in the Premiership snd are joined by the top two from the Championship.There must be a legal difference here.

Surely this is what ends all further talk of reconstruction before the new season. Last season has officially ended and Hearts are now a championship club. They have no more right to automatic promotion as a result of this than any other championship club.

[green day]

You would need a vote of 11-1 in prem to give bigger parachute payments. It would involve all the other clubs gifting money to Hearts. Why should Hamilton gift money to Hearts who have many multiple of the money Hamilton has coming in every year? Why should Ross County subsidise Liam Boyce’s wages?
If Hearts need money, sell Hickey. Trim that squad down to the size most clubs get by on every year. Begging for more money while continuing to spend like they are billionaire doesn’t sit right. Show that they mean business.
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Interestingly, Roy McGregor yesterday said that he thought the Premiership need to help support other clubs all the way down the leagues.

He wasnt entirely clear on what he meant with this - he was talking financial - but I really cant see Premiership clubs cutting their own throats to help Championship clubs.

I suspect that many of the part time clubs will be ok, but some of these poorly supported fulltime clubs will go into some form of hibernation.

[Kojock]

14-14-16 by lunchtime.
In the bin by 5pm

Big reveal 2pm in the bin at 1.50pm.

[Waxy]

Every other league is restarting football in the next few weeks and countries are talking of getting crowds back by july as the virus is diminishing.
Not the Scottish press though, football will never be played again and we'll all be sucked into a black hole, unless of course we dont relegate hearts, then everything will be ok.

[Heisenberg]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5630532/hearts-budge-14-team-premiership-vote-clause-next-year/

Basically sounds like what Michael Stewart suggested. 14-10-10-10, temporary for two years but with another vote halfway through to decide if it sticks or goes back to the way it was.

Hopefully Hibs stick to their guns and still vote no. Only one more club needed to join us if the above proposal is correct.

[WhileTheChief..]

Roy McGregor sounded like he was in favour of the Prem clubs helping out the lower league ones financially.

I think we need to accept that there will be less money in the game in general. If the only way to ensure that some clubs stay afloat is for a smoother distribution of cash throughout the leagues then I think that will happen.

That’s entirely different to bailing out Hearts though.

The guy from Ayr mentioned that around 84% of all prize money stays in the Prem. That’s what will change.

A small price to pay if it ensures Hearts stay where they belong!

[Waxy]

Roy McGregor sounded like he was in favour of the Prem clubs helping out the lower league ones financially.

I think we need to accept that there will be less money in the game in general. If the only way to ensure that some clubs stay afloat is for a smoother distribution of cash throughout the leagues then I think that will happen.

That’s entirely different to bailing out Hearts though.

The guy from Ayr mentioned that around 84% of all prize money stays in the Prem. That’s what will change.

A small price to pay if it ensures Hearts stay where they belong!
Agree.The lower clubs should be getting financial help from the top.
Expanding the league just weakens everyone at the top.
The sun has a crazy article about one 16 club league for a season witha 6/10 split and still.
four old firm games.

It's only being portrayed as doomsday for hearts benefit.

[Onion]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5630532/hearts-budge-14-team-premiership-vote-clause-next-year/

Basically sounds like what Michael Stewart suggested. 14-10-10-10, temporary for two years but with another vote halfway through to decide if it sticks or goes back to the way it was.

So contrived for the benefit of one club. Once this is rightly tossed out, the SPFL need to grow a pair and move this saga on. If Hearts want to spend their money and time on legal action, let them.

The whole game has serious problems to grapple with, and Hearts have become a lingering annoyance.

[Peevemor]

Every other league is restarting football in the next few weeks and countries are talking of getting crowds back by july as the virus is diminishing.
Not the Scottish press though, football will never be played again and we'll all be sucked into a black hole, unless of course we dont relegate hearts, then everything will be ok.

It's not every other league.

[Joe6-2]

So contrived for the benefit of one club. Once this is rightly tossed out, the SPFL need to grow a pair and move this saga on. If Hearts want to spend their money and time on legal action, let them.

The whole game has serious problems to grapple with, and Hearts have become a lingering annoyance.

This
They should have grown a pair long ago, they have taken decisions within the laws and rules, been voted on, and that should have been the end of it!

[Ozyhibby]

Agree.The lower clubs should be getting financial help from the top.
Expanding the league just weakens everyone at the top.
The sun has a crazy article about one 16 club league for a season witha 6/10 split and still.
four old firm games.

It's only being portrayed as doomsday for hearts benefit.

Why should the top clubs constantly subsidise the bottom leagues? Why does a small country like Scotland have or need 42 senior teams? I’m all for having small teams so long as they can stand on their own two feet. They obviously can’t though.


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[Waxy]

Why should the top clubs constantly subsidise the bottom leagues? Why does a small country like Scotland have or need 42 senior teams? I’m all for having small teams so long as they can stand on their own two feet. They obviously can’t though.


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I find it hard to believe these clubs cant cope for a few months until crowds are allowed.They've taken in the seaon ticket money,i'm sure they can balance their books for a few months.
If not i'm certain there will be clubs under them willing to step into their place.
From every Queen of the south bleating we're nearly dead, there will be a Falkirk saying we're fine we'll take your place then.

[EI255]

Is today the day Budge and her snidey, cheating little pantomime finally get put out their misery?

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[Kojock]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5630532/hearts-budge-14-team-premiership-vote-clause-next-year/

Basically sounds like what Michael Stewart suggested. 14-10-10-10, temporary for two years but with another vote halfway through to decide if it sticks or goes back to the way it was.

Hopefully Hibs stick to their guns and still vote no. Only one more club needed to join us if the above proposal is correct.

“Ross County chairman Roy MacGregor, who voted against reconstruction a fortnight ago, has given her hope by suggesting he could change his mind.“

I listened to MacGregor on Sportsound and he said that the Ross County fans were happy with12 team and would go with them.

[lucky]

Why should the top clubs constantly subsidise the bottom leagues? Why does a small country like Scotland have or need 42 senior teams? I’m all for having small teams so long as they can stand on their own two feet. They obviously can’t though.


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No club in Scotland is standing on its own two feet. Hibs have furloughed staff so are being subsided by the tax payer. If each premiership club took £100k less each from the TV deal his season it would give every League 1 and 2 clubs £60k. A small gesture but it would keep the majority going. The championship is the really difficult one to solve but again redistribution of wealth downwards is the solution

[The Count]

No club in Scotland is standing on its own two feet. Hibs have furloughed staff so are being subsided by the tax payer. If each premiership club took £100k less each from the TV deal his season it would give every League 1 and 2 clubs £60k. A small gesture but it would keep the majority going. The championship is the really difficult one to solve but again redistribution of wealth downwards is the solution

I do not have a problem financially sacrificing some money from the Premier teams to support the well run smaller clubs through this pandemic. However i do have a problem financially helping basket case run clubs who have overspent.

[Lee Marvin]

14-10-10-10 is going to go to a vote by the looks of things, which suggests to me that there has been a significant softening of opinion within the Premiership.

Do we think Hibs would raise their head above the parapet to vote against Hearts if we believed we would be the only club, or one of two, to do so?

[Green_one]

Still only needs two votes against and it is still as dead as it was two weeks ago

Total waste of time. Just going to cause more division.

[Heisenberg]

14-10-10-10 is going to go to a vote by the looks of things, which suggests to me that there has been a significant softening of opinion within the Premiership.

Do we think Hibs would raise their head above the parapet to vote against Hearts if we believed we would be the only club, or one of two, to do so?

I doubt there’s been much softening between the likes of St Johnstone and St Mirren. They only need two other clubs in the SPFL to back them in order to get to a vote. It’ll be closer than anticipated but I reckon it’ll still fail. I also don’t think Hibs will risk upsetting their own fanbase in order to look good in front of the wider public.

[Ozyhibby]

No club in Scotland is standing on its own two feet. Hibs have furloughed staff so are being subsided by the tax payer. If each premiership club took £100k less each from the TV deal his season it would give every League 1 and 2 clubs £60k. A small gesture but it would keep the majority going. The championship is the really difficult one to solve but again redistribution of wealth downwards is the solution

Your very free and easy with other people’s money? Hibs can’t afford to just give away £100k. We are currently asking supporters to not ask for refunds they are entitled to. The club can’t afford to pay the salaries of the players just now and is receiving govt assistance but you think we should just give away £100k?


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[calumhibee1]

14-10-10-10 is going to go to a vote by the looks of things, which suggests to me that there has been a significant softening of opinion within the Premiership.

Do we think Hibs would raise their head above the parapet to vote against Hearts if we believed we would be the only club, or one of two, to do so?

I would absolutely love it if we ended up being one of two.

[Lee Marvin]

I would absolutely love it if we ended up being one of two.

Hibs and St Mirren. The dream scenario.

[JimBHibees]

I doubt there’s been much softening between the likes of St Johnstone and St Mirren. They only need two other clubs in the SPFL to back them in order to get to a vote. It’ll be closer than anticipated but I reckon it’ll still fail. I also don’t think Hibs will risk upsetting their own fanbase in order to look good in front of the wider public.

I don't see any incentive for teams currently in the premier league to vote for a league structure likely to mean they have more chance of going down and get less money by bringing in more clubs and potentially having one less old firm home game than now. That to me includes ourselves, Livingston, Dundee United, Motherwell, Killie, Hamilton, both saints and Ross county