NO to reconstruction

[Renfrew_Hibby]

It's obvious that there are clubs against this and that whatever they come up with it will have zero chance of being voted through.
The guy from Hamilton is clearly peeded off with the Budgie already and I suspect Hearts total desperation is starting to wind up many clubs.
Dempster is spot on, the only thing occuping the minds of board members across the land is when do the turnstiles start revolving again, nearly all clubs are desperate to know.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s pennies the lower leagues get anyway - the Forfar (I think) chairman was on the radio last week and they were only due £3k after the decision to call the league.

£3k was their final payment, their total payment was over £70k.


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[Danderhall Hibs]

£3k was their final payment, their total payment was over £70k.


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I thought it was but still adding a few more clubs wouldn’t cut it that much? Plus there’s be more matches so more gate money.

Any idea how much of a difference (in £s) it’d make? Just seems a way to satisfy the unfairness throughout the leagues - only 1 team would be left unhappy with this as far as I can see it (if money difference is negligible).

[Ozyhibby]

I thought it was but still adding a few more clubs wouldn’t cut it that much? Plus there’s be more matches so more gate money.

Any idea how much of a difference (in £s) it’d make? Just seems a way to satisfy the unfairness throughout the leagues - only 1 team would be left unhappy with this as far as I can see it (if money difference is negligible).

No idea how much less each club would need to take but I do know they are never keen to take less money.
There are also the knock on effects of the Highland and Lowland league each losing three teams. They wouldn’t thank you for that.


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[Danderhall Hibs]

No idea how much less each club would need to take but I do know they are never keen to take less money.
There are also the knock on effects of the Highland and Lowland league each losing three teams. They wouldn’t thank you for that.


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Do the Highland and Lowland leagues get a vote? It would keep teams like Bonnyrigg Rose happy who also “unfairly” missed out.

[Peevemor]

Do the Highland and Lowland leagues get a vote? It would keep teams like Bonnyrigg Rose happy who also “unfairly” missed out.They're part of the committee but they won't get a vote as they're not members of the SPFL.

[Seveno]

I predict that the ‘task force’ will wind up without producing a report due to the failure to reach any concensus.

[Waxy]

I predict that the ‘task force’ will wind up without producing a report due to the failure to reach any concensus.

I think so too. All the clubs knew the vote to end the season was the fairest unfairish thing to do.No one will vote for any reconstruction.

[Ozyhibby]

I predict that the ‘task force’ will wind up without producing a report due to the failure to reach any concensus.

Totally agree which is why the top clubs have went nowhere near it.
A task force to reshape the Scottish game and no top club seems to want their views heard? It’s doomed to fail.


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[Billy Whizz]

Listening to Clyde Scoreboard just now, and both the guests panning Hearts

[Heisenberg]

Livingston in favour of a permanent restructure to a 14 team league.

[Billy Whizz]

Livingston in favour of a permanent restructure to a 14 team league.

https://livingstonfc.co.uk/league-reconstruction-statement/

[Onion]

I predict that the ‘task force’ will wind up without producing a report due to the failure to reach any concensus.

Agreed. Instead, as a last stand. we'll get Budge lashing out at everyone and asking The Rangers, Partick etc to join them in legal action against the SPFL.

Football has a much much bigger problem than the finances of a wee club from Gorgie which has flushed million down the drain. The survival of a lot of clubs will be in the balance and energy needs to be directed at that.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

https://livingstonfc.co.uk/league-reconstruction-statement/

I’d agree with this as long as Hearts still go down and Inverness come up. The league has not been null and void. You can’t have promotion and not have relegation, where’s the integrity in that?

[JohnM1875]

I’d agree with this as long as Hearts still go down and Inverness come up. The league has not been null and void. You can’t have promotion and not have relegation, where’s the integrity in that?

No relegation and Dundee Utd and Inverness up would be what happens if Livi proposal is the one they opt for.

If Hearts were to still be relegated that would mean three championship clubs would need to come up.

[Waxy]

It’s still a get out of jail free card for the teams who were going down anyway.
Uneven splits, less money and more games, still a ten team championship.
This is a no. What we have already is much better.
Brown envelope from mr benefactor to tinpot livi?

[Eyrie]

It's not clear from the wording whether she had confirmed joining the committee. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200420/0b2c1327b0c6c94c328463dcff5550c7.jpg

KP indicated at the weekend that Hibs hadn't confirmed her participation.

"Leeann will take no part" is a pretty blunt way of wording it.

[Onion]

Livingston in favour of a permanent restructure to a 14 team league.

No surprise. Any club with limited finances and at regular risk of relegation will want a 14 team league for patently obvious reasons (more money, less risk of relegation, more chance of inclusion). How Celtic, Sevco, Aberdeen and Hibs feel about diluting their share of the Sky pot is another matter.

Hearts are currently conflicted. They'd agree anything at the moment if it meant their Prem survival.

Livingston issuing this doesn't really help the process. Hopefully other don't follow.

[blackpoolhibs]

LATEST..........LATEST..........LATEST.........
Heart of Midlothian FC have confirmed that they will make 1500 seats available at every home game exclusively for NHS frontline workers for the coming season in the Championship.............
A spokesman for the NHS has said,
“Don’t you think these people have suffered enough”

[Ozyhibby]

No surprise. Any club with limited finances and at regular risk of relegation will want a 14 team league for patently obvious reasons (more money, less risk of relegation, more chance of inclusion). How Celtic, Sevco, Aberdeen and Hibs feel about diluting their share of the Sky pot is another matter.

Hearts are currently conflicted. They'd agree anything at the moment if it meant their Prem survival.

Livingston issuing this doesn't really help the process. Hopefully other don't follow.

Agree.
A 14 team league leaves little room for a bad start. If you are not in the top 6 after the first two rounds of fixtures then the season could be a real bore after that.


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[Eyrie]

https://livingstonfc.co.uk/league-reconstruction-statement/

I don't agree with their proposal but at least Livingston have actually thought about it.

The loudest mouth about restructuring has been Budge, yet she still hasn't offered any proposals and just demands that it should happen to keep Hearts up because they've spent so much money that they don't deserve to go down.

It works the other way. When you've overspent that much and are still the worst team in the league, there are no excuses and no hiding places.

[007]

https://livingstonfc.co.uk/league-reconstruction-statement/

They're right that if it is to be reconstructed it should be permanent however that structure would be a disaster filled with meaningless games for the top teams in the bottom 8.

[B.H.F.C]

They're right that if it is to be reconstructed it should be permanent however that structure would be a disaster filled with meaningless games for the top teams in the bottom 8.

Yep. Could find yourself with nothing to play for and no big games. Crap. What we have is better, I don’t get the fuss about increasing to 14.

[Kato]

LATEST..........LATEST..........LATEST.........
Heart of Midlothian FC have confirmed that they will make 1500 seats available at every home game exclusively for NHS frontline workers for the coming season in the Championship.............
A spokesman for the NHS has said,
“Don’t you think these people have suffered enough”

Can't see anything wrong with that as long as they are issued with PPE.

[Joe6-2]

LATEST..........LATEST..........LATEST.........
Heart of Midlothian FC have confirmed that they will make 1500 seats available at every home game exclusively for NHS frontline workers for the coming season in the Championship.............
A spokesman for the NHS has said,
“Don’t you think these people have suffered enough”

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Kato]

Yep. Could find yourself with nothing to play for and no big games. Crap. What we have is better, I don’t get the fuss about increasing to 14.

The fuss being made by Hearts in an attempt to avoid their deserved relegation. They're top of the League at mouthing off about how unfair it is they have been so crap.

[B.H.F.C]

The fuss being made by Hearts in an attempt to avoid their deserved relegation. They're top of the League at mouthing off about how unfair it is they have been so crap.

There are still plenty of people who would support, or like the idea of, a 14 team league on a permanent basis though. I fail to see the attraction with it. I don’t see what two additional teams add to the league.

[Kato]

There are still plenty of people who would support, or like the idea of, a 14 team league on a permanent basis though.

Budge disagrees, she only wants it for two seasons then back to what we have now.

[Billy Whizz]

Budge disagrees, she only wants it for two seasons then back to what we have now.

Had she said why?

[we are hibs]

Why are league 2 clubs going to vote to increase their chances being relegated out the leagues with that proposal ?


Also what happens if 2 clubs are relegated that go into the lowland league? Meaning the highland league is left a club short

[B.H.F.C]

Budge disagrees, she only wants it for two seasons then back to what we have now.

Although, she wouldn’t have you believe it, there is a bit more to Scottish football than her.

[Kato]

Had she said why?

Dunno. I'm only going by Barney McGrew's post on the PM and I'm not really interested in asking her, life's too short.

[Ozyhibby]

Had she said why?

Because what we have now is what Hearts want but they need to save themselves so we all need to put up with a rubbish set up in the meantime.


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[Kato]

Because what we have now is what Hearts want but they need to save themselves so we all need to put up with a rubbish set up in the meantime.

I.E. They have the brassest of brass necks.

[Waxy]

12,12,10,10 and everyones a winner.
Still a bit unfair on the bottom teams getting off with relegation.
I dont like that one bit.

[Waxy]

Also wheres the playoffs gone in livingstons thoughts?
The Scottish leagues been great over the last while.
The end of season playoffs are great and it keeps everyone in touch till very late in the season.
Please leave the leagues alone.

[whiskyhibby]

LATEST..........LATEST..........LATEST.........
Heart of Midlothian FC have confirmed that they will make 1500 seats available at every home game exclusively for NHS frontline workers for the coming season in the Championship.............
A spokesman for the NHS has said,
“Don’t you think these people have suffered enough”


🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Aldo]

I’m not bothered about reconstruction however teams better be prepared to be disappointed if they want permanent reconstruction.

Budge is only interested in next season and that’s that!

Mind you regardless of what she wants, there is still the vote!


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[Stanton Spence]

I’m not bothered about reconstruction however teams better be prepared to be disappointed if they want permanent reconstruction.

Budge is only interested in next season and that’s that!

Mind you regardless of what she wants, there is still the vote!


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure that budge was only touting temp reconstruction because she thought the voting would be 9/3 instead of the 11/1 required for permanent change

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[Scotty Leither]

KP indicated at the weekend that Hibs hadn't confirmed her participation.

"Leeann will take no part" is a pretty blunt way of wording it.

KP should deliver ALL Hibs statements. FACT.

[Kojock]

Les Gray was saying that reconstruction has been discussed numerous times over the past 10 years but no one has come up with anything better than the current set up. So the Messiah Budge is going to do in three weeks which nobody could do for the last 10 years.

[Mon Dieu4]

You will probably find that like Livingston all clubs who want reconstruction will put out a statement with their desired option, each one will drastically be different and queue the infighting

[Springbank]

I don't agree with their proposal but at least Livingston have actually thought about it.

The loudest mouth about restructuring has been Budge, yet she still hasn't offered any proposals and just demands that it should happen to keep Hearts up because they've spent so much money that they don't deserve to go down.

It works the other way. When you've overspent that much and are still the worst team in the league, there are no excuses and no hiding places.

The way I see it, every single Hibs fan who paid money to watch Livingston v Hibs in December can now ask Livingston for a full refund on the ticket, plus expenses.

The ticket was for a Ladbrokes SPFL Premiership match.

That competition- like almost all football leagues - comes with relegation at one end & a trophy at the other.

We all know relegation costs. But them's the rules of the Ladbrokes SPFL Premiership. That's the tournament we all bought a ticket to

So, a full refund is on the cards for all of us who visited Almondvale at Christmas time

[Spike Mandela]

https://livingstonfc.co.uk/league-reconstruction-statement/

“This league reconstruction model is not only achievable, but it is also fair. No club will be prejudiced by the league ending early through no fault of their own.”

Livingston another one of the teams happy to bleat on about the unfairness to Hearts whilst completely ignoring “the prejudice of the league ending early through no fault of their own” of 3rd and 4th place teams in the Championship.

Just another bunch of bull****ters.

[Spike Mandela]

Agree.
A 14 team league leaves little room for a bad start. If you are not in the top 6 after the first two rounds of fixtures then the season could be a real bore after that.


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Guaranteed if this is voted through Hearts will finish 6th pipping us to a place in the top six. Absolutely ****ing guaranteed.

[danhibees1875]

Why are league 2 clubs going to vote to increase their chances being relegated out the leagues with that proposal ?


Also what happens if 2 clubs are relegated that go into the lowland league? Meaning the highland league is left a club short

England have a similar system with regional leagues feeding upwards. I looked into it once and they just rejig the leagues so that the northern half are in the northern league and southern half in the southern league.

Sounds bonkers that you'll have clubs in the middle who can hop between league systems.

[007]

The way I see it, every single Hibs fan who paid money to watch Livingston v Hibs in December can now ask Livingston for a full refund on the ticket, plus expenses.

The ticket was for a Ladbrokes SPFL Premiership match.

That competition- like almost all football leagues - comes with relegation at one end & a trophy at the other.

We all know relegation costs. But them's the rules of the Ladbrokes SPFL Premiership. That's the tournament we all bought a ticket to

So, a full refund is on the cards for all of us who visited Almondvale at Christmas time

And the ones who waited for an hour and gave up as were still miles from the front of the queue can claim expenses.

Part of the enjoyment of forking out hundreds of pounds to go all over the country following your team for the season is because you are buying into the whole league campaign in which, as Willie Miller correctly said, there are winners and losers. It is bad enough that the season is being curtailed but to also remove a vital component of the season, relegation, is cheating the fans of all clubs out of something they've invested in.

[jacomo]

And the ones who waited for an hour and gave up as were still miles from the front of the queue can claim expenses.

Part of the enjoyment of forking out hundreds of pounds to go all over the country following your team for the season is because you are buying into the whole league campaign in which, as Willie Miller correctly said, there are winners and losers. It is bad enough that the season is being curtailed but to also remove a vital component of the season, relegation, is cheating the fans of all clubs out of something they've invested in.


:agree:

Everybody, including Budget, knew what the terms of engagement were at the outset. Everyone uses best endeavours to complete a League campaign, and at the end the team who are bottom get relegated.

This season has been curtailed, and for some it’s harsh, no question. But it is not unfair.

Tatty bye Hearts. You’ve accepted your relegation gracelessly.

[jacomo]

Elgin chairman sees right through Budge:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budge-acting-hearts-self-21897432

“Reconstruction talk is a bit of a joke. It’s a red herring.”

I’ll be surprised if the Budget task force lasts until the end of the week.

[green day]

Elgin chairman sees right through Budge:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budge-acting-hearts-self-21897432

“Reconstruction talk is a bit of a joke. It’s a red herring.”

I’ll be surprised if the Budget task force lasts until the end of the week.

Everything he is saying tells you why Dempster left and is focussed on this instead - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-leeann-dempster-says-meteor-about-hit-scottish-football-2544368

[Waxy]

All Budgies carve up group is doing now is halting people putting their cash into the game.
I can see people shortly becoming angry at her and her self interest.

[we are hibs]

This all seems like unnecessary stress and mess to pander to 3 clubs; of which only 1 truly has any reason to feel hard done by. There is already so many conflicts. Aberdeen will vote for a temporary solution but not permanent. Livi and ayr will vote for a permanant but not temporary. Just get this to **** and lets concentrate on clubs actually surviving this.

[Kato]

All Budgies carve up group is doing now is halting people putting their cash into the game.
I can see people shortly becoming angry at her and her self interest.Yeah, but fairness, blah, blah, blah, we've spent money to avoid this, waffle, waffle, best for the game itself, blah, blah.....

Its transparent that they only care for themselves.

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[Booked4Being-Ugly]

This all seems like unnecessary stress and mess to pander to 3 clubs; of which only 1 truly has any reason to feel hard done by. There is already so many conflicts. Aberdeen will vote for a temporary solution but not permanent. Livi and ayr will vote for a permanant but not temporary. Just get this to **** and lets concentrate on clubs actually surviving this.

Absolutely. I’m surprised clubs are even wasting energy and time on this.

[Since452]

Ann Fudge

[lord bunberry]

Elgin chairman sees right through Budge:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budge-acting-hearts-self-21897432

“Reconstruction talk is a bit of a joke. It’s a red herring.”

I’ll be surprised if the Budget task force lasts until the end of the week.
I like the cut of that chaps jib.

[munchar]

The fairest & sensible way to do this, is get the ball rolling for permanent reconstruction, if it improves things, but not to take effect for at least 2 seasons. Gives clubs plenty of time to get their clubs prepared. No advantage to anyone to vote no then.

[Billy Whizz]

Absolutely. I’m surprised clubs are even wasting energy and time on this.

You have to look on who’s on it, and who will benefit, if the leagues went 14-10-10-10

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

You have to look on who’s on it, and who will benefit, if the leagues went 14-10-10-10

I know but I’m assuming all clubs will be dialling in to Budge the fudge’s frequent zoom meetings to listen to her drivel for a couple of hours. Representatives will then be feeding back to the respective boards on new proposals etc. Numerous discussions and meetings will ensue across all clubs throughout Scotland and all for what?

[Onion]

This all seems like unnecessary stress and mess to pander to 3 clubs; of which only 1 truly has any reason to feel hard done by. There is already so many conflicts. Aberdeen will vote for a temporary solution but not permanent. Livi and ayr will vote for a permanant but not temporary. Just get this to **** and lets concentrate on clubs actually surviving this.

Longer the TF take to present their proposals the more they'll be accused of fiddling while Rome burns.

[Ozyhibby]

So who is in the NO to reconstruction group so far?
Hibs
Elgin

Anyone else?


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[ElginHibbie]

So who is in the NO to reconstruction group so far?
Hibs
Elgin

Anyone else?


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Slightly biased but that's a good looking group :cool2:

[Peevemor]

Slightly biased but that's a good looking group :cool2:

That made me laugh. :thumbsup:

[Waxy]

So who is in the NO to reconstruction group so far?
Hibs
Elgin

Anyone else?


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Celtic and Rangers wont vote for permanent.
Doubt hearts themselves want a 14 team league.
Most will vote against permanent.
It just leaves temporary.
Thats all Budge wants.
She’ll get very few votes.
They could probably go ahead now and reconstruct all leagues underneath the SPFL to anything they like and do it now.
Top leagues a no no.

[hibbyfraelibby]

After yesterday's announcement/comments by the FM reconstruction should be off the table until we know how many teams will still be standing come January.

If we have 24 fully functioning clubs come then I'd be surprised. Evolution not reconstruction

[green day]

After yesterday's announcement/comments by the FM reconstruction should be off the table until we know how many teams will still be standing come January.

If we have 24 fully functioning clubs come then I'd be surprised. Evolution not reconstruction

Agreed.

In fact, if Budge was a bit brighter, she would say "yes we will take our medicine and go down" in the (reasonably sure) knowledge that if they survive the leagues will require major reorganisation in any event.

She lacks strategic thinking.

[Ozyhibby]

Agreed.

In fact, if Budge was a bit brighter, she would say "yes we will take our medicine and go down" in the (reasonably sure) knowledge that if they survive the leagues will require major reorganisation in any event.

She lacks strategic thinking.

I think she might actually lack something more important. Money, to make sure they are one of the survivors.
I’m not as doom and gloom as some. I think we will be back playing football sooner than most are saying just now and I also think most clubs will survive.


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[007]

Elgin chairman sees right through Budge:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budge-acting-hearts-self-21897432

“Reconstruction talk is a bit of a joke. It’s a red herring.”

I’ll be surprised if the Budget task force lasts until the end of the week.

Everything he says is correct.

After what Nicol Sturgeon said yesterday about football not restarting for a considerable time and not behind closed doors either, it means there is no point in deciding on reconstruction until we know when football can be restarted. Leeann has done the right thing in turning her focus onto that.

We have no idea if we'll even be able to start before the end of the year in which case it would be difficult to play each other twice with 12 let alone 14 so why add an extra 2 teams and 4 games? We don't want to be in a similar situation at the end of the season where we'd have to put back the start of the following season.

[Joe6-2]

Elgin chairman sees right through Budge:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budge-acting-hearts-self-21897432

“Reconstruction talk is a bit of a joke. It’s a red herring.”

I’ll be surprised if the Budget task force lasts until the end of the week.

‘There’s no point fannying about’
👍

[Joe6-2]

Slightly biased but that's a good looking group :cool2:

😂

[Real Emerald]

Everything he says is correct.

After what Nicol Sturgeon said yesterday about football not restarting for a considerable time and not behind closed doors either, it means there is no point in deciding on reconstruction until we know when football can be restarted. Leeann has done the right thing in turning her focus onto that.

We have no idea if we'll even be able to start before the end of the year in which case it would be difficult to play each other twice with 12 let alone 14 so why add an extra 2 teams and 4 games? We don't want to be in a similar situation at the end of the season where we'd have to put back the start of the following season.

It’s fairly obvious that you can’t start restructuring our whole league system when no one knows what’s going to happen or when we can start playing again. We don’t know which teams will come through this. We might even be forced to restructure who knows. I think you’ll see more people on this group dropping out once it becomes clear it’s an impossible job even if everyone wanted it restructured, it’s definitely not the time to do it,

[danhibees1875]

So who is in the NO to reconstruction group so far?
Hibs
Elgin

Anyone else?


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There will be carnage if we don't, but I don't think we've said anything that confirms we will vote no. :dunno:

[Billy Whizz]

Was there any minutes, press release from yesterday’s reconstruction meeting

[hibbyfraelibby]

Was there any minutes, press release from yesterday’s reconstruction meeting

The wee budgie took the minutes and is now transcribing them into a crafted, word smithed literary masterpiece of a statement to be issued in multi-coloured crayon as she forgot to hit the record meeting button on the bottom menu bar on zoom

[offshorehibby]

I think the SPFL & SFA have have played a blinder here, firstly they set Budge and her task force of probably knowing full well it'll come to nothing. Then while that's rumbling on they set the real brains including Leeann are looking at the real worry how and when to get football back with 'Joint Response Group'. 5 sub groups chaired by Rod Petrie, tasked on how and when we get football back.

[007]

Was there any minutes, press release from yesterday’s reconstruction meeting

Was probably Tom English who took the minutes.

[jacomo]

The wee budgie took the minutes and is now transcribing them into a crafted, word smithed literary masterpiece of a statement to be issued in multi-coloured crayon as she forgot to hit the record meeting button on the bottom menu bar on zoom


They will be meticulous as well because you know how keen she is on independent reviews if there is even a slightest suspicion that things were done in an improper way.

[Billy Whizz]

I didn’t know they added the St Mirren chairman, Gordon Scott to the group
Mustn’t have enough people on the panel🤣

[Waxy]

Wasn’t there some kind of UEFA meeting today about all the European leagues?

[chippy]

After yesterday's announcement/comments by the FM reconstruction should be off the table until we know how many teams will still be standing come January.

If we have 24 fully functioning clubs come then I'd be surprised. Evolution not reconstruction

That’s rather how shall I say ... Darwinian

[greenginger]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52372673

[JimBHibees]

Wasn’t there some kind of UEFA meeting today about all the European leagues?

Thursday i think

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-must-vote-championship-club-league-reconstruction-if-premiership-season-ends-early-2545557

Another blow to their chances of reconstruction.


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[Kojock]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52372673

What planet are UEFA on. Germany has just cancelled Oktoberfest which was scheduled to start 19th September. But UEFA want football to commence in June.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-must-vote-championship-club-league-reconstruction-if-premiership-season-ends-early-2545557

Another blow to their chances of reconstruction.


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Are you seriously suggesting, they won’t be able to vote to keep themselves in the Premiership🤣

[007]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-must-vote-championship-club-league-reconstruction-if-premiership-season-ends-early-2545557

Another blow to their chances of reconstruction.


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Just as I thought, the real reason Budge is talking about "speed is of the essence".

That'll be this week's campaign by Budge's media bumchums, mustn't end the league yet. Of course they'll come up with some BS that it's to preserve sporting integrity they won't come clean and say it's really about saving Hearts.

[Peevemor]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-must-vote-championship-club-league-reconstruction-if-premiership-season-ends-early-2545557

Another blow to their chances of reconstruction.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's brilliant and makes perfect sense. I can't wait to read the reaction on brokeback.

[offshorehibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-must-vote-championship-club-league-reconstruction-if-premiership-season-ends-early-2545557

Another blow to their chances of reconstruction.


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God, that's cheered me up. :greengrin

[04Sauzee]

This guy seems to think there will be little relegation across the leagues?

@dalejohnsonESPN

Each country will need a different approach based on the status of the pandemic and how its health care system is able to cope.

Difficult to judge but I think there will be very little relegation. Titles probably awarded in some leagues but not all.

[greenginger]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-must-vote-championship-club-league-reconstruction-if-premiership-season-ends-first-2545557

I know it’s just AllisBarry but is it right that the 11-1 premiership vote is only required if teams are added to the total number of SPFL clubs , but top division can be increased to 14 clubs as long as the prize shares are not altered , on 9-3 vote.

Where does it say that in the rules/articles/ appendix ?

And what division will only have 8 teams just to save Budge ?

[Onion]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-must-vote-championship-club-league-reconstruction-if-premiership-season-ends-early-2545557

Another blow to their chances of reconstruction.


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Funniest thing I've read today. Can you imagine Budge's panic at the next meeting of the task force ? Yes, yes, but make your bloody minds up, I'm running out of time :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

https://livingstonfc.co.uk/league-reconstruction-statement/

This really would be a **** league structure, splitting 6 and 8. The split would be after 26 games which would be around early February.FEBRUARY!!!

Imagine Hibs are seventh, not difficult, it might be on goal difference with the likes of celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Hearts above them. We wil have played each of these teams twice, once at home.

From February we are barred from European qualification and we have 14 games left to play against less glamorous teams with absolutely nothing to play for except avoiding relegation. This would be a disaster for attendances and the season would just fizzle out to nothing.

Really hope we aren’t railroaded into this kind of nonsense.

[The Harp Awakes]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-must-vote-championship-club-league-reconstruction-if-premiership-season-ends-first-2545557

I know it’s just AllisBarry but is it right that the 11-1 premiership vote is only required if teams are added to the total number of SPFL clubs , but top division can be increased to 14 clubs as long as the prize shares are not altered , on 9-3 vote.

Where does it say that in the rules/articles/ appendix ?

And what division will only have 8 teams just to save Budge ?

I looked through the association articles at the weekend and posted under another thread some thoughts.

The first thing to say is that the articles are like reading Greek. I could see no reference to the angle mentioned on Sportsound on prize money. It does look like if there is an increase in the number of clubs there is an 11-1 majority required in the premiership. If no increase in the number of clubs it's a 75% majority (but only if the SPFL pass an ordinary resolution trumping 11-1).

[Waxy]

This guy seems to think there will be little relegation across the leagues?

@dalejohnsonESPN

Each country will need a different approach based on the status of the pandemic and how its health care system is able to cope.

Difficult to judge but I think there will be very little relegation. Titles probably awarded in some leagues but not all.
Very little but some. Scotland has already relegated three clubs.

[Ozyhibby]

This really would be a **** league structure, splitting 6 and 8. The split would be after 26 games which would be around early February.FEBRUARY!!!

Imagine Hibs are seventh, not difficult, it might be on goal difference with the likes of celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Hearts above them. We wil have played each of these teams twice, once at home.

From February we are barred from European qualification and we have 14 games left to play against less glamorous teams with absolutely nothing to play for except avoiding relegation. This would be a disaster for attendances and the season would just fizzle out to nothing.

Really hope we aren’t railroaded into this kind of nonsense.

The fact that none of the premiership clubs have even bothered to get involved in a reconstruction discussion that would have massive affects on the game shows you how likely it is to pass.


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[GreenCastle]

So do we think it will be Thursday that Celtic are Champions and Hearts relegated ?

[Ozyhibby]

So do we think it will be Thursday that Celtic are Champions and Hearts relegated ?

No I don’t think so. I think there will be another delay to see if it’s possible to play the games.


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[007]

So do we think it will be Thursday that Celtic are Champions and Hearts relegated ?


No I don’t think so. I think there will be another delay to see if it’s possible to play the games.


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I agree with Ozy. I think it will happen but not right away. As each country follows Belgium and the Netherlands and calls their top leagues, the pressure will ramp up for ours to be called which is why Budge's sphincter is currently going nineteen to the dozen to push reconstruction through asap.

[ScottB]

Dutch have said no major events till September. Once we realise and accept that next season is under threat, the fuss about whether to call this one will quickly melt away.

The focus needs to be on creating a set of clear rules to follow in the event that next season also needs to be curtailed, whether due to starting late, further lockdowns or both. When you factor that in, it rules out temporary reconstruction straight off the bat; we decide no club can be relegated this way and expand the league, so what happens next year if the season can’t be finished again? We increase again? It’s not a repeatable strategy, and this could well not end up a one off situation the leagues have to deal with.

Relegate the bottom teams, promote from the leagues below, then enshrine this approach in the rules so there’ll be no need for votes and moaning if we need to do it again.

[Tommy75]

Alex Mcleish in favour of reconstruction. Can't believe he came out with:

"For us to improve, we have to keep the clubs with the big supports. It would be terrible for the Scottish game to lose big clubs from the top flight, we need them there."

So we should just assemble the top division in Scotland based on the size of clubs fanbases. Ditch Livingston, Hamiltom and Ross County the shoehorn in Falkirk, Dunfermline and Dundee?

Absolutely no logic in what Mcleish is saying. If Hearts go down they will have nobody to blame but themselves. Worst team in the division over 30 games and should not be saved simply by virtue of being one of the better supported teams in the country. If they had won against St Mirren before lockdown they would be nowhere near reconstruction talks.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Maybe we would vote for a temporary reconstruction - as long as we get a clause added saying next time we’re in the relegation place we can do another temporary reconstruction?

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Dutch have said no major events till September. Once we realise and accept that next season is under threat, the fuss about whether to call this one will quickly melt away.

The focus needs to be on creating a set of clear rules to follow in the event that next season also needs to be curtailed, whether due to starting late, further lockdowns or both. When you factor that in, it rules out temporary reconstruction straight off the bat; we decide no club can be relegated this way and expand the league, so what happens next year if the season can’t be finished again? We increase again? It’s not a repeatable strategy, and this could well not end up a one off situation the leagues have to deal with.

Relegate the bottom teams, promote from the leagues below, then enshrine this approach in the rules so there’ll be no need for votes and moaning if we need to do it again.

Spot. On.

[Waxy]

Alex Mcleish in favour of reconstruction. Can't believe he came out with:

"For us to improve, we have to keep the clubs with the big supports. It would be terrible for the Scottish game to lose big clubs from the top flight, we need them there."

So we should just assemble the top division in Scotland based on the size of clubs fanbases. Ditch Livingston, Hamiltom and Ross County the shoehorn in Falkirk, Dunfermline and Dundee?

Absolutely no logic in what Mcleish is saying. If Hearts go down they will have nobody to blame but themselves. Worst team in the division over 30 games and should not be saved simply by virtue of being one of the better supported teams in the country. If they had won against St Mirren before lockdown they would be nowhere near reconstruction talks.

Just turn it into the biggest fan league then Alex eh.
Whover brings the most fans to the game gets the three points?Have you not even been paid to talk on football shows????
Eejit.

[Joe6-2]

I agree with Ozy. I think it will happen but not right away. As each country follows Belgium and the Netherlands and calls their top leagues, the pressure will ramp up for ours to be called which is why Budge's sphincter is currently going nineteen to the dozen to push reconstruction through asap.

Did you have to say her sphincter and pushing it through in the same sentence, can’t dislodge the image!!

[Colr]

Personally would like reconstruction. Playing the same teams 4 times a season is a bore.

16 or 18 teams playing twice would be more interesting and more competitive.



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Playing Rangers, Celtic and Hearts 4 times a season was attractive when crowds generally were really low in the 70s when it was brought in.

Now we have 16k + season ticket holders it doesn’t feel so important.

Someone on e told me the 4 OF games a season was a sop for changing the previous arrangement where gate receipts where split 50:50 to one where the home team keeps the receipts. Don’t know if that’s true.

[Ozyhibby]

Playing Rangers, Celtic and Hearts 4 times a season was attractive when crowds generally were really low in the 70s when it was brought in.

Now we have 16k + season ticket holders it doesn’t feel so important.

Someone on e told me the 4 OF games a season was a sop for changing the previous arrangement where gate receipts where split 50:50 to one where the home team keeps the receipts. Don’t know if that’s true.

Those cat A games still bring in a lot more money than the rest. And the TV companies love them as well. I can’t believe people are advocating swapping games v Hearts for games v ICT long term.


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[munchar]

Those cat A games still bring in a lot more money than the rest. And the TV companies love them as well. I can’t believe people are advocating swapping games v Hearts for games v ICT long term.


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Agreed.
Until the quality of lower teams improve, I don’t see how a bigger league improves anything? Arbroath May have been promoted this season. Are you trying to tell me you’d rather play them twice before Hearts, Celtic, Rangers & Aberdeen 4 times? No disrespect to Arbroath, but there would be a few very heavy defeats handed out to them. Just don’t think quality wise, there’s enough to warrant an increase.

[JimBHibees]

This really would be a **** league structure, splitting 6 and 8. The split would be after 26 games which would be around early February.FEBRUARY!!!

Imagine Hibs are seventh, not difficult, it might be on goal difference with the likes of celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Hearts above them. We wil have played each of these teams twice, once at home.

From February we are barred from European qualification and we have 14 games left to play against less glamorous teams with absolutely nothing to play for except avoiding relegation. This would be a disaster for attendances and the season would just fizzle out to nothing.

Really hope we aren’t railroaded into this kind of nonsense.

Agree sounds like a terrible structure and much worse than the current one. No point changing to something worse.

[SMAXXA]

Is it just now or have we not just had the most competitive season for years across pretty much all leagues this season? Yeah Celtic and UTD now have some distance but outside that it’s still all to play for top and bottom for a lot of sides. Would be so Scottish football fox it when it’s not broken

[SQHib]

This really would be a **** league structure, splitting 6 and 8. The split would be after 26 games which would be around early February.FEBRUARY!!!

Imagine Hibs are seventh, not difficult, it might be on goal difference with the likes of celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Hearts above them. We wil have played each of these teams twice, once at home.

From February we are barred from European qualification and we have 14 games left to play against less glamorous teams with absolutely nothing to play for except avoiding relegation. This would be a disaster for attendances and the season would just fizzle out to nothing.

Really hope we aren’t railroaded into this kind of nonsense.
Would agree spike and I reckon sales of seasons would be harder
Bad start and there is every chance you could be 8th in February just after transfer window wiith more likely crap games to come - always thought the split could force that on you in April just now we should pull that risk forward 2 months for teams

[jacomo]

Would agree spike and I reckon sales of seasons would be harder
Bad start and there is every chance you could be 8th in February just after transfer window wiith more likely crap games to come - always thought the split could force that on you in April just now we should pull that risk forward 2 months for teams


:agree:

Also, Livingston plan calls for two teams to be relegated from the 14 team top flight each season, with the top two in the championship getting automatic promotion. There could also be a potential playoff for a third club to come up.

Not wishing to disparage any Scottish club, but it’s not hard to see some really weak club get promoted to the top flight due to a timely run of form, but then get battered every week.

How does that improve overall quality?

This proposal is reactive to me, looking to address the current problem rather than looking to improve Scottish football over the longer term.

[Heisenberg]

Sounds like Ann is struggling to gain support from other clubs. Their Daniel painting a bleak picture.

"I spoke with Ann a few days ago and she said her feeling is that she is fighting a little bit alone against everybody.”

“It's not so easy at the moment. We are all waiting. Ann would like to have support but it's not so easy.“

[JimBHibees]

Sounds like Ann is struggling to gain support from other clubs. Their Daniel painting a bleak picture.

"I spoke with Ann a few days ago and she said her feeling is that she is fighting a little bit alone against everybody.”

“It's not so easy at the moment. We are all waiting. Ann would like to have support but it's not so easy.“

Wouldn't really surprise me can't see reconstruction working however you never know especially when you have clubs like Aberdeen seemingly all over the place.

[Kato]

"I spoke with Ann a few days ago and she said her feeling is that she is fighting a little bit alone against everybody.”

Always portrayed as her being in a "fight", a "struggle" "at odds against injustice".


Hearts have been rank for a year and a half. They are the bottom club on merit and have not shown any consistency to warrant the idea that they would have finished in any other position than bottom of the League.

If the League is halted due to the Covid19 pandemic Celtic should be declared Champions on merit and Hearts should be relegated on the same basis.

I dont see the need or justification for any further discussion, fights or struggles on the matter.



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[we are hibs]

Tbf the "plucky, brave little Hearts" tag will suit them well when they become Championship minnows next season.

[Kaiser1962]

Always portrayed as her being in a "fight", a "struggle" "at odds against injustice".


Hearts have been rank for a year and a half. They are the bottom club on merit and have not shown any consistency to warrant the idea that they would have finished in any other position than bottom of the League.

If the League is halted due to the Covid19 pandemic Celtic should be declared Champions on merit and Hearts should be relegated on the same basis.

I dont see the need or justification for any further discussion, fights or struggles on the matter.



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Agreed. If we were 10-15 games in, or a transfer window to come then fair enough. But after 30 games we can pretty much see where its going. Sevco have blown it and Hearts (very fortunate) home draw against Accies and defeat to St. Mirren were huge. Wins against us and Sevco (where they looked good) have merely papered over the issues. Hearts have only won one league game against current bottom six opposition all season (9th November v ST.Mirren) which is why they are where they are.

[chippy]

This really would be a **** league structure, splitting 6 and 8. The split would be after 26 games which would be around early February.FEBRUARY!!!

Imagine Hibs are seventh, not difficult, it might be on goal difference with the likes of celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Hearts above them. We wil have played each of these teams twice, once at home.

From February we are barred from European qualification and we have 14 games left to play against less glamorous teams with absolutely nothing to play for except avoiding relegation. This would be a disaster for attendances and the season would just fizzle out to nothing.

Really hope we aren’t railroaded into this kind of nonsense.

You make good points. I think an 8/6 split would be better after the 1st round of 26 games. So 8th still in contention for Europe and more top club games.Sure it means top 8 play 40 games so just 2 more. As for bottom 6, big 10 game fight to avoid relegation but only 1 down and 1 play off spot for me.I think a top 6 split is more suited to a 16 team league which I think offers more imaginative splits

[Joe6-2]

Sounds like Ann is struggling to gain support from other clubs. Their Daniel painting a bleak picture.

"I spoke with Ann a few days ago and she said her feeling is that she is fighting a little bit alone against everybody.”

“It's not so easy at the moment. We are all waiting. Ann would like to have support but it's not so easy.“

What a crock o sh*t

[Box 17]

Always portrayed as her being in a "fight", a "struggle" "at odds against injustice".


Hearts have been rank for a year and a half. They are the bottom club on merit and have not shown any consistency to warrant the idea that they would have finished in any other position than bottom of the League.

If the League is halted due to the Covid19 pandemic Celtic should be declared Champions on merit and Hearts should be relegated on the same basis.

I dont see the need or justification for any further discussion, fights or struggles on the matter.



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All this 'fighting talk' by Ann is a deliberate distraction by her. It is a means of switching attention away from her gross mismanagement of Hearts, in particular the appointment of and sticking by Craig Levein.

[Waxy]

All this 'fighting talk' by Ann is a deliberate distraction by her. It is a means of switching attention away from her gross mismanagement of Hearts, in particular the appointment of and sticking by Craig Levein.

Spot on.

[Waxy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52427942

[Ozyhibby]

You make good points. I think an 8/6 split would be better after the 1st round of 26 games. So 8th still in contention for Europe and more top club games.Sure it means top 8 play 40 games so just 2 more. As for bottom 6, big 10 game fight to avoid relegation but only 1 down and 1 play off spot for me.I think a top 6 split is more suited to a 16 team league which I think offers more imaginative splits

Problem is the top teams don’t want more games as they are more likely to have European games and are more likely to go further in the cups. There is potential for fixture pile ups.
Besides, how do you price season tickets if you don’t know how many fixtures there will be?


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[Ozyhibby]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52427942

He is pretty much saying the league 2 teams will only vote for a permanent 14-14-14 set up? No way will the prem teams go for that so it’s heading for failure.


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[jacomo]

He is pretty much saying the league 2 teams will only vote for a permanent 14-14-14 set up? No way will the prem teams go for that so it’s heading for failure.


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Budge’s lofty pronouncements about there being ‘too many’ professional football clubs in Scotland are not forgotten. She has no trust with lower league clubs and I think reconstruction for next season is dead in the water.

[Kojock]

Budge’s lofty pronouncements about there being ‘too many’ professional football clubs in Scotland are not forgotten. She has no trust with lower league clubs and I think reconstruction for next season is dead in the water.

Straight from Budgies beak 7th Aug 2016.

Hearts owner Ann Budge believes there are twice the ideal number of senior clubs in Scotland.

Budge, who recently joined the Scottish Professional Football League's board, said: "I think 42 senior clubs is too many for Scotland.

"You're looking at about half that number.

Wonder what’s made her change her mind ??

[The Count]

Budgie agrees reconstruction to save the Jambos.Rejoicing all over Gorgie smong the Big Teams fans. Then Leanne and her group announce that agreement has been reached to finish the season behind closed doors with extensive Sky coverage.The jambos moral downhearted squad then have to play the remaining games.Then they do finish bottom and get relegated.Now that senario is a dream but how funny would that be if it came to fruition.

[Waxy]

Budgie agrees reconstruction to save the Jambos.Rejoicing all over Gorgie smong the Big Teams fans. Then Leanne and her group announce that agreement has been reached to finish the season behind closed doors with extensive Sky coverage.The jambos moral downhearted squad then have to play the remaining games.Then they do finish bottom and get relegated.Now that senario is a dream but how funny would that be if it came to fruition.Pretty soon the jambos will start championing finishing the season behind closed doors. Thats all they have left to save them.

[gaz1875]

Budgie agrees reconstruction to save the Jambos.Rejoicing all over Gorgie smong the Big Teams fans. Then Leanne and her group announce that agreement has been reached to finish the season behind closed doors with extensive Sky coverage.The jambos moral downhearted squad then have to play the remaining games.Then they do finish bottom and get relegated.Now that senario is a dream but how funny would that be if it came to fruition.

This is my wish, that way there is no but if's!!

[Kaiser1962]

Pretty soon the jambos will start championing finishing the season behind closed doors. Thats all they have left to save them.

Would they then have to honour the players contracts? Cant see them being finacially better of as they will have no walk ups/catering or retail sales. Some TV money maybe? Cant see how it would improve the financial situation that much.

[weecounty hibby]

The Scotsman saying that consensus is growing around a 14 team top league. Haven't read it but that is from the BBC gossip page. I can't believe that anyone will vote for that as a temporary measure. It's only in one clubs interest to do that and makes life more difficult for the others at the bottom end of the tabke

[blackpoolhibs]

Sounds like Ann is struggling to gain support from other clubs. Their Daniel painting a bleak picture.

"I spoke with Ann a few days ago and she said her feeling is that she is fighting a little bit alone against everybody.”

“It's not so easy at the moment. We are all waiting. Ann would like to have support but it's not so easy.“

I'm maybe being a bit daft here, but could the reason be that she feels this way, is there are not many clubs who agree with her views or proposals?

[tamig]

Would they then have to honour the players contracts? Cant see them being finacially better of as they will have no walk ups/catering or retail sales. Some TV money maybe? Cant see how it would improve the financial situation that much.

Yes. Clause 12 only applies when the league is suspended. The suspension would need to be lifted for games to take place - behind closed doors or otherwise.

[Broken Gnome]

Budge surely can't fail with this on the basis that temporary/permanent remains an issue - if that's the primary opposition she's facing then it's cutting off her nose to spite her face to not give a bit of ground, no? Hearts won't get relegated on her insistence that it is 14 teams only for one season.

[Steve20]

The Scotsman saying that consensus is growing around a 14 team top league. Haven't read it but that is from the BBC gossip page. I can't believe that anyone will vote for that as a temporary measure. It's only in one clubs interest to do that and makes life more difficult for the others at the bottom end of the tabke

Unfortunately the 14 team league was always a certainty from the moment they set that group up with Budge and the Hamilton guy in charge. They clearly think the clubs will vote for it and they’ll bottle out of relegating Hearts.

[Marco G]

The Scotsman saying that consensus is growing around a 14 team top league. Haven't read it but that is from the BBC gossip page. I can't believe that anyone will vote for that as a temporary measure. It's only in one clubs interest to do that and makes life more difficult for the others at the bottom end of the tabkeRead that headline, but article says that the working group is thinking along these lines but a number in the group need to be persuaded, while the headline makes it sound like it refers to a final decision for spfl!

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[jacomo]

Read that headline, but article says that the working group is thinking along these lines but a number in the group need to be persuaded, while the headline makes it sound like it refers to a final decision for spfl!

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Yes all 42 member clubs will have a vote. Budgets task force can only propose a recommendation, not force it through.

[Waxy]

Yes all 42 member clubs will have a vote. Budgets task force can only propose a recommendation, not force it through.

Still need an 11-1 vote by the SPFL.

[Real Emerald]

Still need an 11-1 vote by the SPFL.

I’m not against looking at reconstruction but I’d be furious if we went for a ridiculous 14 team league with a split of 6 and 8 and also increased the already bloated league structure with another 2 teams, what would Kelty Hearts bring to our professional game FFS. Just imagine what clubs could find themselves in the Premiership with an automatic 2 teams being promoted. I would seriously consider my season ticket as it would become a farcical competition contrived to save an overspending Hearts. If Hibs were to vote for this they would lose many supporters IMHO.

[Paul1642]

I’m not against looking at reconstruction but I’d be furious if we went for a ridiculous 14 team league with a split of 6 and 8 and also increased the already bloated league structure with another 2 teams, what would Kelty Hearts bring to our professional game FFS. Just imagine what clubs could find themselves in the Premiership with an automatic 2 teams being promoted. I would seriously consider my season ticket as it would become a farcical competition contrived to save an overspending Hearts. If Hibs were to vote for this they would lose many supporters IMHO.

I don’t think three 14s would add any teams to the total number in the leagues unless I have my maths wrong.

[Waxy]

I don’t think three 14s would add any teams to the total number in the leagues unless I have my maths wrong.

No your right it wouldnt add any more.Maybe another reason it wont happen.

[MWHIBBIES]

Agreed.
Until the quality of lower teams improve, I don’t see how a bigger league improves anything? Arbroath May have been promoted this season. Are you trying to tell me you’d rather play them twice before Hearts, Celtic, Rangers & Aberdeen 4 times? No disrespect to Arbroath, but there would be a few very heavy defeats handed out to them. Just don’t think quality wise, there’s enough to warrant an increase.

I'd rather beat Arbroath than lose to Celtic and Rangers twice away.

[tamig]

I’m not against looking at reconstruction but I’d be furious if we went for a ridiculous 14 team league with a split of 6 and 8 and also increased the already bloated league structure with another 2 teams, what would Kelty Hearts bring to our professional game FFS. Just imagine what clubs could find themselves in the Premiership with an automatic 2 teams being promoted. I would seriously consider my season ticket as it would become a farcical competition contrived to save an overspending Hearts. If Hibs were to vote for this they would lose many supporters IMHO.

Think that’s a bit of a snobby comment re Kelty Hearts. Do you know much about them? The only reason I wouldn’t want them anywhere near the league is because there are more than enough maroon teams already.

[Real Emerald]

Think that’s a bit of a snobby comment re Kelty Hearts. Do you know much about them? The only reason I wouldn’t want them anywhere near the league is because there are more than enough maroon teams already.

Well I also follow Penicuik Athletic who were in the same league so I do know. We’re constantly trying to increase the quality of teams, stadiums etc. I just don’t think that bringing teams like Kelty that has a population of around 6,000 will enhance our leagues. I’m not having a pop at Kelly but think they have their place in football which in my opinion is not the senior league system.

[Billy Whizz]

Well I also follow Penicuik Athletic who were in the same league so I do know. We’re constantly trying to increase the quality of teams, stadiums etc. I just don’t think that bringing teams like Kelty that has a population of around 6,000 will enhance our leagues. I’m not having a pop at Kelly but think they have their place in football which in my opinion is not the senior league system.

They have a bigger population than Dingwall, but I do get your point
Kelty’s stadium is also much better than a lot of league clubs

[Heisenberg]

14 team top league looks like it’ll be the option voted on either way. Plans to be put to clubs this week.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budge-spfl-reconstruction-options-week-2550386

I wouldn’t mind a permanent change (although Hearts being saved would be a bitter pill to swallow), however if it’s temporary I hope the clubs rightly tell them where to go.

[Billy Whizz]

14 team top league looks like it’ll be the option voted on either way. Plans to be put to clubs this week.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budge-spfl-reconstruction-options-week-2550386

I wouldn’t mind a permanent change (although Hearts being saved would be a bitter pill to swallow), however if it’s temporary I hope the clubs rightly tell them where to go.

It was never going to be anything else

[Kaiser1962]

Still need an 11-1 vote by the SPFL.

I think what they seemed to be doing was not to change the prize money per place, then it would require a 9-3 majority in favour. In order to get that place 13 and 14 would recieve the same as the current 1 + 2 in the Championship recieves currently and so on down the places. I would highlight the "I think" part....

[we are hibs]

I fully expect Hibs to vote against this farce.

[we are hibs]

I think what they seemed to be doing was not to change the prize money per place, then it would require a 9-3 majority in favour. In order to get that place 13 and 14 would recieve the same as the current 1 + 2 in the Championship recieves currently and so on down the places. I would highlight the "I think" part....

Im pretty sure they needed an 11-1 vote in order to change it to a 9-3 vote? I dont know if that wouldve been a temporary solution or a permanent one but if it was the latter then no chance celtic and rangers would vote for a restructure of the voting system

[Waxy]

It needs all chucked out and kept the same. This is no time to be mucking around with unwanted reconstruction. It’s got nothing to do with hearts being bottom, thats just a really good bonus.

[007]

Im pretty sure they needed an 11-1 vote in order to change it to a 9-3 vote? I dont know if that wouldve been a temporary solution or a permanent one but if it was the latter then no chance celtic and rangers would vote for a restructure of the voting system

It wouldn't surprise me if that's what Budge was angling for, vote to temporarily change the voting system. Surely any club against the reconstruction isn't going to weaken their position by agreeing that instead of them needing 1 other club voting against reconstruction they need to have 3 other clubs.

As for trying to agree the reconstruction now, that's just madness. The talk has recently changed to, let's explore all the possibilities about finishing the league as there's no immediate urgency to call it. If we do somehow manage to continue the season (I don't think we will), it wouldn't matter what happens at the bottom as no team will be relegated. Budge is just trying to get herself a safety net.

I see now from the EEN article she seems in cahoots with Michael Stewart about being fed up talking about it. I think she's copy Boris Johnson's tactic with how he won the election with his get Brexit done campaign.

Very hypocritical to complain about the speed of the previous vote when there were obviously clubs desperately needing the money asap. Now she's trying to do the same, push to get something done quickly however this time there's absolutely no need to rush. Hopefully enough clubs don't fall for the underhanded tactics.

[Waxy]

The whole farce is just about saving hearts from relegation when as UEFA have said, ending the season MUST be done on sporting merit.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Still need an 11-1 vote by the SPFL.

...and she's already p!$$€d off Ross County.

[nonshinyfinish]

I think what they seemed to be doing was not to change the prize money per place, then it would require a 9-3 majority in favour. In order to get that place 13 and 14 would recieve the same as the current 1 + 2 in the Championship recieves currently and so on down the places. I would highlight the "I think" part....

Somewhere else (possibly earlier in this thread?) there was a dissection of the relevant rules – IIRC it wasn't entirely clear, but the conclusion was that increasing the number of teams in the league required 11–1 even if the prize money didn't change.

[CapitalGreen]

If it’s a 14 team league, presumably Hearts stay up with Dundee Utd and ICT joining. Why do Hearts deserve to stay up ahead of promoting Dundee or Ayr who are in the playoff positions?

[Waxy]

Thats a part i cant fathom either. Why should the team thats done poor in the higher division be more important than the team thats done better in the division below.
They’ve already taken away the playoffs this season. That doesnt sit with UEFAs sporting merit stance already.

[Green Reaper]

Somewhere else (possibly earlier in this thread?) there was a dissection of the relevant rules – IIRC it wasn't entirely clear, but the conclusion was that increasing the number of teams in the league required 11–1 even if the prize money didn't change.

That came from Les Gray on Sportsound who said that if articles of association need changed, and they would, then an 11-1 vote is required

[Heisenberg]

Hamilton chairman would vote in favour of a move to a 14 team league on a permanent basis.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budges-spfl-reconstruction-plans-21932987

[007]

Hamilton chairman would vote in favour of a move to a 14 team league on a permanent basis.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budges-spfl-reconstruction-plans-21932987

Another step closer to the Budge flip-flop from temporary to permanent as that's what the majority of her task force will want. Would be surprised if enough in the Premiership would vote for that.

[Onion]

Hamilton chairman would vote in favour of a move to a 14 team league on a permanent basis.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budges-spfl-reconstruction-plans-21932987

Of course he would. It provides a lot more security to his crappy little club.

Let's see if he's as enthusiastic about a 12 month 14 team league with 3 relegated at the end. Oh, thought not.

[Onion]

Thats a part i cant fathom either. Why should the team thats done poor in the higher division be more important than the team thats done better in the division below.
They’ve already taken away the playoffs this season. That doesnt sit with UEFAs sporting merit stance already.

Because they've spent more money trying not to be crap than the team that's trying to be good. Copyright A Budge

[Waxy]

Because they've spent more money trying not to be crap than the team that's trying to be good. Copyright A Budge

A Budgist attitude that.

[CapitalGreen]

Hamilton chairman would vote in favour of a move to a 14 team league on a permanent basis.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budges-spfl-reconstruction-plans-21932987

I can’t think of one characteristic of a 14 team league that would be an improvement on the current 12 team set up. Not one.

[Waxy]

Another step closer to the Budge flip-flop from temporary to permanent as that's what the majority of her task force will want. Would be surprised if enough in the Premiership would vote for that.
That would have to be everyone except us then?

[weecounty hibby]

I can’t think of one characteristic of a 14 team league that would be an improvement on the current 12 team set up. Not one.

100%agree with that. Total joke

[04Sauzee]

14 teams is absolutely bollocks, to do this im guessing they are talking about an 6/8 split. Imagine having to possibly play Hearts, Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and Motherwell home and away in around 10 weeks. Just awful

[04Sauzee]

BBC Sport - Reconstruction: Scottish League Two clubs back 14-14-14 https://t.co/cY5bq7EBaE

[Real Emerald]

I can’t think of one characteristic of a 14 team league that would be an improvement on the current 12 team set up. Not one.

I’m the same, it’s probably a league set up that would never stand a chance of being voted through. What do you do with season tickets as I assume you would get 7 games if you finished bottom 8 and only 5 if you finish top 6. It’s a mess. If they only go for a one season fix them three teams need to be relegated from the premiership and what happens with the leagues below. They are still talking about maybe bringing 2 more teams in, do you then have to relegate 2 teams out of the Scottish leagues to get it back on track. I would honestly prefer to play games out behind closed doors, which could in theory be done in a 3 week window (if possible) than end up with a farcical league format.

[B.H.F.C]

14 teams is absolutely bollocks, to do this im guessing they are talking about an 6/8 split. Imagine having to possibly play Hearts, Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and Motherwell home and away in around 10 weeks. Just awful

Loads of big games, if you were in the top 6 would be all right. However, imagine being 7th or 8th and having absolutely nothing to play for over the last 14 games. Now that would be awful.

[007]

BBC Sport - Reconstruction: Scottish League Two clubs back 14-14-14 https://t.co/cY5bq7EBaE

4th tier teams vote to promote themselves all to the 3rd tier shocker! No self-interest there then.

[Marco G]

4th tier teams vote to promote themselves all to the 3rd tier shocker! No self interest there then.And even more, they now can veto any other proposal, eg Budge's one year temporary change!

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[H18 SFR]

Might be a bit pedantic here but I have emailed the club asking for confirmation that if I renew my season ticket just now and some ridiculous reconstruction is voted through, they will refund my season ticket money.

[Waxy]

BBC Sport - Reconstruction: Scottish League Two clubs back 14-14-14 https://t.co/cY5bq7EBaE

Think this is the way they’re going to actually stop reconstruction.

[Jones28]

And even more, they now can veto any other proposal, eg Budge's one year temporary change!

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So it’s permanent or nothing? Brilliant. That’ll never go through.

[SHODAN]

BBC Sport - Reconstruction: Scottish League Two clubs back 14-14-14 https://t.co/cY5bq7EBaE

That's a wrecking amendment.

[Eyrie]

14 teams is absolutely bollocks, to do this im guessing they are talking about an 6/8 split. Imagine having to possibly play Hearts, Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and Motherwell home and away in around 10 weeks. Just awful

It could be worse. Imagine having to play St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Ross County, St Mirren, Hamilton, Dundee United, Inverness and Dundee home and away in the same ten week period when we're well clear of the relegation places. Will do wonders for season ticket sales.

[JimBHibees]

Think this is the way they’re going to actually stop reconstruction.

Interesting that article seems to indicate a 75 % vote to approve thought it was 11 to 1 in premier. Will be interesting to see how premier league will vote would be surprised if a number of clubs didn't vote against including our own.

[SHODAN]

It could be worse. Imagine having to play St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Ross County, St Mirren, Hamilton, Dundee United, Inverness and Dundee home and away in the same ten week period when we're well clear of the relegation places. Will do wonders for season ticket sales.

If they include a spot for the 7th placed team in a European playoff, as is done in many other countries, it wouldn't be so bad.

[Spike Mandela]

A 6-8 split league of 14 would be absolutely terrible for teams like Hibs.

The split would be after two rounds of games which is around early February, FEBRUARY!!!!!

If Hibs or any other team like Hearts, Aberdeen, Motherwell, Killie etc are sitting in 7th at this point, quite likely by a small margin or even goal difference then they are out of the chase for European places.

Instead they will have 14 rounds of games most likely aginst lower quality teams and, unless we are in a relegation battle, we have absolutely nothing to play for from early February to the end of the season. Attendances would be a joke.

Surely this is a non starter.��

[HFC93]

I think Dave Cormack said Aberdeen would only vote for temporary league reconstruction so this proposal presumably rules them out?

[JimBHibees]

It could be worse. Imagine having to play St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Ross County, St Mirren, Hamilton, Dundee United, Inverness and Dundee home and away in the same ten week period when we're well clear of the relegation places. Will do wonders for season ticket sales.

Missing out on top 6 (if 6/8 split) would be horrible. Don't think it is workable for teams like us Motherwell St Johnstone Aberdeen Killie but who knows.

[SHODAN]

1st - UCL
2nd - UCL
3rd - EL
4th-7th - playoff for ECL (5th-8th if no cup winner qualification)

Means that teams in the top six still have something to play for (automatic qualification) and teams at the top half of the bottom 8 also have something to play for (the playoff). I'd be all for it.

[JimBHibees]

I think Dave Cormack said Aberdeen would only vote for temporary league reconstruction so this proposal presumably rules them out?

Wouldn't be too sure about that they seem to be flip flopping at present.

[007]

So it’s permanent or nothing? Brilliant. That’ll never go through.

I agree with the principle of permanent over temporary. Temporary means Budge is admitting the structure she is proposing is worse. However, all the 14 team set ups which could be proposed will be worse than what we have, largely due to there being far too many games after the split meaning there's a high chance of a lot of them being meaningless. It is totally unfair on the team(s) just missing out on the top "half" who could easily be challenging for a European spot but that then gets snatched away from them and they're consigned to seeing out a dull remaining 10 or 14 games. We could easily find ourselves in that position and one season of it would be bad enough. That happening to us under a permanent restructure could see season ticket sales drop off a cliff the next season.

[we are hibs]

Some of these farcical proposals being put forward by seperate leagues/clubs is exactly why league reconstruction cant and shouldnt be rushed through in the space of a few months. It would take over a year to plan out and be done properly. Its an absolute guarentee if we get reconstructed leagues next season it will decend into a farce before long.

[JimBHibees]

1st - UCL
2nd - UCL
3rd - EL
4th-7th - playoff for ECL (5th-8th if no cup winner qualification)

Means that teams in the top six still have something to play for (automatic qualification) and teams at the top half of the bottom 8 also have something to play for (the playoff). I'd be all for it.

Really? The after split games would be brutal.

[weecounty hibby]

14 team league with 8/6 is a ****ing joke and I sincerely hope that Hibs tell them to go and fling ***** at themselves

[007]

14 team league with 8/6 is a ****ing joke and I sincerely hope that Hibs tell them to go and fling ***** at themselves

I think they're going down the 6/8 route which is even worse. Season over with 3 months left if you just miss out on top 6.

[SHODAN]

I think they're going down the 6/8 route which is even worse. Season over with 3 months left if you just miss out on top 6.

Most leagues in Europe with a 6-8 split have the bottom half in contention for European places post split.

[CB_NO3]

The Hamilton chairman (not to be mixed up with SPFL board member Les Gray) has said he doesn't want a 14 team league and that Budge is only in it for herself (source - Daily Record)

[Steve20]

The Hamilton chairman (not to be mixed up with SPFL board member Les Gray) has said he doesn't want a 14 team league and that Budge is only in it for herself (source - Daily Record)

He will vote for a 14 team league if it's longer term he says. Still disappointing to see clubs voting any sort of 14 team league in.

[nonshinyfinish]

Most leagues in Europe with a 6-8 split have the bottom half in contention for European places post split.

Which leagues have it? I hadn't realised this setup even existed outside of SPFL what ifs.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I'm probably struggling most to understand why Hearts think they're being victimised somehow by relegation - plenty other sports have measures in place to score or provide results in the event of an accident/freak of nature

I'm ok with an expanded league, but one that splits in February could be very dangerous. Fans knowing that out of their 19 games will be highly likely to get 8 home games vs the "bigger" teams (Aberdeen, Celtic, Hearts and Rangers) so could result in lower demand for season tickets in a 14 team league model.

A straight 16 or 18 team with no split could be beneficial to clubs like us as we could potentially put in a title challenge every few years, and for the mid or lower table clubs could push for a European spot. But I appreciate our model is all about ensuring maximum exposure to Old Firm and the dependencies they bring financially.

[Waxy]

Well its worse than what we have already fact.
For that reason most clubs will be out.

[chippy]

[QUOTE=nonshinyfinish;6155251]Which leagues have it? I hadn't realised this setup even existed outside of SPFL what ifs.[/QUOT

Belgium do it. 16 team league, top 6 play further 10 games each to determine title and all but on Euro place. The 8 teams below form 2 mini leagues play 6 more games , winners play off and the winner of that plays off with the 5th place side in the top 6 for the final Euro place. Got it? The bottom 2 play off for the sole relegation spot,
The Danes might do something similar but they have a 14 team premier

[nonshinyfinish]

Belgium do it. 16 team league, top 6 play further 10 games each to determine title and all but on Euro place. The 8 teams below form 2 mini leagues play 6 more games , winners play off and the winner of that plays off with the 5th place side in the top 6 for the final Euro place. Got it? The bottom 2 play off for the sole relegation spot,
The Danes might do something similar but they have a 14 team premier

Crystal clear… :dizzy:

[H18 SFR]

Might be a bit pedantic here but I have emailed the club asking for confirmation that if I renew my season ticket just now and some ridiculous reconstruction is voted through, they will refund my season ticket money.

The club emailed back very quickly to say that if you purchase now and some ridiculous model is forced through then you can get a refund.

With that confirmed I'm going to renew at the end of this week all being well.

[04Sauzee]

The club emailed back very quickly to say that if you purchase now and some ridiculous model is forced through then you can get a refund.

With that confirmed I'm going to renew at the end of this week all being well.

Again though without seeing what is said in the email, whi decides what is a rediculous model?

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

The club emailed back very quickly to say that if you purchase now and some ridiculous model is forced through then you can get a refund.

With that confirmed I'm going to renew at the end of this week all being well.

I emailed the club with the same question and I never got a reply!

[chippy]

Crystal clear… :dizzy:

be careful what you ask for😊

[Ozyhibby]

A 14-14-14 set up means the championship has a smaller prize pot but two extra teams to share it with. Can’t see that being popular with them.


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[Waxy]

Last time there was a vote on reconstruction they werent increasing the amount of clubs, yet they still needed an 11-1 vote from the top.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20993710

[Onion]

A 14-14-14 set up means the championship has a smaller prize pot but two extra teams to share it with. Can’t see that being popular with them.


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Unless Sky or someone else comes along with a load of extra cash to do it, any talk of reconstruction is doomed. Whichever way you cut it, there's only so much to go around and few if any will be giving that up voluntarily. Can't blame Hearts for trying but it cannot be at the expense of others. Hearts put themselves in the worst position and should accept the consequences with some dignity. But that won't happen.

[Jones28]

Unless Sky or someone else comes along with a load of extra cash to do it, any talk of reconstruction is doomed. Whichever way you cut it, there's only so much to go around and few if any will be giving that up voluntarily. Can't blame Hearts for trying but it cannot be at the expense of others. Hearts put themselves in the worst position and should accept the consequences with some dignity. But that won't happen.

I can’t see Sky desperate to throw money at it given they will end up with fewer old firm games, derbies, OF fixtures against us, Hearts, Aberdeen etc.

Unless they’re proposing 3x13 then a split?!

[Waxy]

Accies go for the throat
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/doesnt-sit-right-hamilton-chairman-believes-league-reconstruction-save-hearts-2551225

[jacomo]

Accies go for the throat
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/doesnt-sit-right-hamilton-chairman-believes-league-reconstruction-save-hearts-2551225


I think Budge has blown it.

[Kojock]

Accies go for the throat
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/doesnt-sit-right-hamilton-chairman-believes-league-reconstruction-save-hearts-2551225

He’s spot on with this bit.

“ A quick decision is not expected, although Maitland doesn’t think there would have been a decision to make if Hamilton were in Hearts’ position”

Budgie doesn’t give a toss about Stranraer or Partick she’s using their predicament in a feeble attempt to justify why her ****ty club should also avoid relegation.

[Heisenberg]

Kilmarnock another to back a permanent reconstruction to a 14-14-14 setup. Budgie is going to have to drop her temporary reconstruction plans to have any chance of saving her club from relegation.

I think a 14-14-14 setup is the most unfair way to do it. Completely ****s over the highland/lowland league teams.

[Phil MaGlass]

Accies go for the throat
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/doesnt-sit-right-hamilton-chairman-believes-league-reconstruction-save-hearts-2551225

Ffs, they are in this mess due not to the bloody virus ffs, its their blatant over spending that got them in this mess.

[Spike Mandela]

Kilmarnock another to back a permanent reconstruction to a 14-14-14 setup. Budgie is going to have to drop her temporary reconstruction plans to have any chance of saving her club from relegation.

I think a 14-14-14 setup is the most unfair way to do it. Completely ****s over the highland/lowland league teams.

Surprise at that to be honest.

[Since452]

Looking more likely a 14 team league will happen. Those tramps are going to squirm out of another mess

[Aldo]

Looking more likely a 14 team league will happen. Those tramps are going to squirm out of another mess

Let’s not panic just yet.

Needs to be voted on. And they only want temporary reconstruction.

Long way to go yet!


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[Broken Gnome]

Kilmarnock another to back a permanent reconstruction to a 14-14-14 setup. Budgie is going to have to drop her temporary reconstruction plans to have any chance of saving her club from relegation.

I think a 14-14-14 setup is the most unfair way to do it. Completely ****s over the highland/lowland league teams.

Which she will, you would assume.

[jacomo]

Looking more likely a 14 team league will happen. Those tramps are going to squirm out of another mess


14 team league looks a really awful compromise from a premier league point of view. Just not sure what benefits it brings?

[Greenworld]

Let’s not panic just yet.

Needs to be voted on. And they only want temporary reconstruction.

Long way to go yet!


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkExactly this is looking like the only option because of league 2 who have taken a collective view.
Being the only option acceptable to them this should not take long to be put to a vote.
I do not believe that is an option that will gain enough favour in the premiership what could possibly be good about 14 going forward.
Quite simply we do not have enough cash in our game to make the our premiership any bigger or better and i am sure thats the true view of most clubs in the premier.
Hibernian
Hamilton
Ross county
St johnstone
Celtic
Motherwell
St mirren

Will all vote against change

That just leaves the undesirables
Rangers
Hearts
Kilmarnock
Livingston
Aberdeen






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[Kato]

Accies go for the throat
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/doesnt-sit-right-hamilton-chairman-believes-league-reconstruction-save-hearts-2551225"*it looks a bit narrow-minded."

It is.

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[CapitalGreen]

Should be a simple decision for most premier league teams.

Is a hastily arranged 14 team league a better product than the current 12 team league?

I’ve yet to see one convincing argument that it is so clubs should vote no. Why destroy your product to protect one badly run club which has been the worst performing team in the league for the last 18 months.

[Brightside]

Looking more likely a 14 team league will happen. Those tramps are going to squirm out of another mess

Who is not going to vote for it. That’s the easiest way to figure out why it won’t happen.

[StevieC]

Hibernian
Hamilton
Ross county
St johnstone
Celtic
Motherwell
St mirren

Will all vote against change

That just leaves the undesirables
Rangers
Hearts
Kilmarnock
Livingston
Aberdeen


Have Livingston come out and said they are in favour?
I would have thought they'd have been against it, as OF games must be a big earner for them. To loose two games against the OF, and dilute their TV money, is surely a financial hit for them?

[GRA]

BBC Sport - Reconstruction: Scottish League Two clubs back 14-14-14 https://t.co/cY5bq7EBaE

The key quote is as follows:

'The option of three divisions of 14 is being given strong consideration by the reconstruction taskforce, but is only expected to be put forward for a vote if at least 11 Premiership clubs support it.

That plan would save Hearts and Partick Thistle from relegation and would mean changing parachute payments, triggering a need to gain that level of backing in any ballot.'

So keeping the same teams will still require a 11-1 vote in favour. Unlikely!

[Real Emerald]

14 team league looks a really awful compromise from a premier league point of view. Just not sure what benefits it brings?

It will be so easy to end up 7th in February and possibly only a couple of points off third. You then need to play the other bottom 7 twice for the rest of the season with no hope of climbing the league. How many folk will walk up and pay to watch that, season tickets will be worthless? Aberdeen and Killie could very well be in that situation, it’s a terrible league set up.

[04Sauzee]

Clyde have put out a very good statement

https://m.clydefc.co.uk/news/2020/04/27/6408/#.Xqf5H1PTVkw

[blackpoolhibs]

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky

[Real Emerald]

Clyde have put out a very good statement

https://m.clydefc.co.uk/news/2020/04/27/6408/#.Xqf5H1PTVkw

They’re a ****ty wee club that doesn’t matter though, as long as Hearts are saved from relegation who cares about these teams. That’s the Hearts way, they have no interest in the rest of the teams or the rubbish league system they are trying for, it’s ALL about saving Budge’s Hearts.

[Eyrie]

I think the key to any proposal including a 14 team top flight will be the number of relegation places.

Most of the bottom six clubs would consider only two relegation spots (even if both are automatic) better than the current one and a half of twelve and most of the top clubs won't be affected so have no reason to oppose unless the prize money drops substantially. The lower tier teams will still have two places to aim for.

But if it's two down and a playoff then the bottom clubs will be against it.

Either way, it's a bad idea.

[Peevemor]

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky

Do you think he realised that he looks a total spangle against the fake backdrop?

[Waxy]

So what he's saying is forget reconstruction, finish the leagues but have playoffs at the restart?
So would that be two semis and a final?
Ayr v hearts
Ict v Dundee

Same at the bottom of the other leagues and maybe?

[erin go bragh]

So what he's saying is forget reconstruction, finish the leagues but have playoffs at the restart?
So would that be two semis and a final?
Ayr v hearts
Ict v Dundee

Same at the bottom of the other leagues and maybe?
Hearts would be relegated no ? Second bottom in spfl into the playoffs.

[Gloucester Hibs]

So what he's saying is forget reconstruction, finish the leagues but have playoffs at the restart?
So would that be two semis and a final?
Ayr v hearts
Ict v Dundee

Same at the bottom of the other leagues and maybe?

Playoffs involving those 4 teams would leave us with a top tier of 13 teams (assuming Dundee United still automatically promoted)?

[Waxy]

Playoffs involving those 4 teams would leave us with a top tier of 13 teams (assuming Dundee United still automatically promoted)?

So it would.Well dunno what hes on about.

[Waxy]

Reckon there’s no way they cant relegate hearts now.
Pleasing.

[PatHead]

Do you think he realised that he looks a total spangle against the fake backdrop?

You seem to forget that he is a spangle.

[Sergio sledge]

Kilmarnock another to back a permanent reconstruction to a 14-14-14 setup. Budgie is going to have to drop her temporary reconstruction plans to have any chance of saving her club from relegation.

I think a 14-14-14 setup is the most unfair way to do it. Completely ****s over the highland/lowland league teams.

Yeah, but they're not in the league system so they don't matter to Budge. She's in favour of reducing the number of clubs so at least this would be consistent.

It also means that every premiership and championship club has to accept a smaller share of TV revenue, just to appease Hearts, Partick and Stranraer.

[Ozyhibby]

Yeah, but they're not in the league system so they don't matter to Budge. She's in favour of reducing the number of clubs so at least this would be consistent.

It also means that every premiership and championship club has to accept a smaller share of TV revenue, just to appease Hearts, Partick and Stranraer.

Doesn’t help Stranraer much, they still get relegated. It’s only Partick and Hearts who are saved.


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[Sergio sledge]

Doesn’t help Stranraer much, they still get relegated. It’s only Partick and Hearts who are saved.


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Yeah I guess they'd be playing against the teams from the bottom league so it is effectively a relegation for 4 teams. It would depend how you look at it though, Ann Budge would probably say that they'd be kept within an expanded league 1 rather than relegated to league 2.

[chippy]

It will be so easy to end up 7th in February and possibly only a couple of points off third. You then need to play the other bottom 7 twice for the rest of the season with no hope of climbing the league. How many folk will walk up and pay to watch that, season tickets will be worthless? Aberdeen and Killie could very well be in that situation, it’s a terrible league set up.

So your worried Hibs don’t make top 6? We should though but that’s what competition is all about. I seem to recall finishing well below 6th many times in the recent past. But to ease your concerns there are several ideas around to keep the bottom 8 competitive and interesting. Some or all of

7th and possibly 8th involved in play off with 4th, 5th and 6th for final( 5th) Euro Place. Whether 4th are involved will be determined if none of Top 4 win the Cup.
Bottom of 8 auto relegation, 2nd bottom either direct relegation or play off with 2nd in Championship.

Sounds fairly interesting to me . I’d anticipate if Hibs were missed out on top 6 then if we get in contention for 7 or 8 place crowds wouldn’t be bad. If we’re dribbling along near the bottom of the 8 then we deserve poor crowds or even relegation. Though relegation fights produce ok crowds for a few games.

[ballengeich]

So what he's saying is forget reconstruction, finish the leagues but have playoffs at the restart?
So would that be two semis and a final?
Ayr v hearts
Ict v Dundee

Same at the bottom of the other leagues and maybe?

A total non-starter. Clubs have to know well in advance of a new season what division they'll be in so that they can fix a budget and work out the player pool they're recruiting from.

This comes from the man who assured us when the split was introduced that teams would never have an 18/20 home/away fixture split. No sign of a brain implant since then.

[Spike Mandela]

So your worried Hibs don’t make top 6? We should though but that’s what competition is all about. I seem to recall finishing well below 6th many times in the recent past. But to ease your concerns there are several ideas around to keep the bottom 8 competitive and interesting. Some or all of

7th and possibly 8th involved in play off with 4th, 5th and 6th for final( 5th) Euro Place. Whether 4th are involved will be determined if none of Top 4 win the Cup.
Bottom of 8 auto relegation, 2nd bottom either direct relegation or play off with 2nd in Championship.

Sounds fairly interesting to me . I’d anticipate if Hibs were missed out on top 6 then if we get in contention for 7 or 8 place crowds wouldn’t be bad. If we’re dribbling along near the bottom of the 8 then we deserve poor crowds or even relegation. Though relegation fights produce ok crowds for a few games.

IMO it sounds absolutely pish and change for changes sake. A load of crap games from early February till the end of the season, a sure fire attendance dropper. Conversely you could have a great season finish 4th then lose out on Europe to a team who didn’t even finish top of the 8 team league of dross.

How this in any way can be considered an improvement on what we currently have is beyond me.

[Real Emerald]

So your worried Hibs don’t make top 6? We should though but that’s what competition is all about. I seem to recall finishing well below 6th many times in the recent past. But to ease your concerns there are several ideas around to keep the bottom 8 competitive and interesting. Some or all of

7th and possibly 8th involved in play off with 4th, 5th and 6th for final( 5th) Euro Place. Whether 4th are involved will be determined if none of Top 4 win the Cup.
Bottom of 8 auto relegation, 2nd bottom either direct relegation or play off with 2nd in Championship.

Sounds fairly interesting to me . I’d anticipate if Hibs were missed out on top 6 then if we get in contention for 7 or 8 place crowds wouldn’t be bad. If we’re dribbling along near the bottom of the 8 then we deserve poor crowds or even relegation. Though relegation fights produce ok crowds for a few games.

You surely can’t have a team playing the bottom clubs for a whole chunk of the season competing in a playoff with a 4th place club who’ve been playing against the top clubs in a play off for Europe. Surely the 4th placed team is better placed to represent Scotland in Europe than a team that’s spent months playing in a league of 8 below the top teams. It’s a nonsense set up. You’re also basically finishing your season in February with no chance of catching teams above you.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

So your worried Hibs don’t make top 6? We should though but that’s what competition is all about. I seem to recall finishing well below 6th many times in the recent past. But to ease your concerns there are several ideas around to keep the bottom 8 competitive and interesting. Some or all of

7th and possibly 8th involved in play off with 4th, 5th and 6th for final( 5th) Euro Place. Whether 4th are involved will be determined if none of Top 4 win the Cup.
Bottom of 8 auto relegation, 2nd bottom either direct relegation or play off with 2nd in Championship.

Sounds fairly interesting to me . I’d anticipate if Hibs were missed out on top 6 then if we get in contention for 7 or 8 place crowds wouldn’t be bad. If we’re dribbling along near the bottom of the 8 then we deserve poor crowds or even relegation. Though relegation fights produce ok crowds for a few games.

We should be worried about missing out on top 6 as like it or not, we are regularly competing for 6th spot. This season for example. The 5 games after the split if we end up in the bottom 6 are absolutely awful, think two seasons ago when we failed to win any under Hecky. The idea of having 14 of these games is grim. Doubt I’d even go to them all despite having a ST. Walk ups would be non existent, even with a euro play off on offer imo

[KeithTheHibby]

They’re a ****ty wee club that doesn’t matter though, as long as Hearts are saved from relegation who cares about these teams. That’s the Hearts way, they have no interest in the rest of the teams or the rubbish league system they are trying for, it’s ALL about saving Budge’s Hearts.

They do matter though as a 14-14-14 set-up affects them directly and they have a vote which counts as much as the Hearts vote.

I really don't know which way it will go however Budge has went down in my estimations considerably during this. Her whole attitude towards saving her club with this half-assed temporary reconstruction is nothing more than self-preservation for her own club at the expense of others.
She clearly sees that it's all about keeping Hearts up with the assumption that in a couple of seasons they revamp back to 12 teams thus relegating perhaps 3 teams from the top division - she clearly believes that Hearts would not be involved in any such battle for the drop however you can guarantee clubs such as Hamilton, Ross County, St Mirren etc. would be so why on earth would these clubs vote for this? If you ask me its a big **** you to some of the other clubs in the top league and I really hope they take this stance and tell her where to shove her silly little plan for reconstruction.

[Real Emerald]

They do matter though as a 14-14-14 set-up affects them directly and they have a vote which counts as much as the Hearts vote.

I really don't know which way it will go however Budge has went down in my estimations considerably during this. Her whole attitude towards saving her club with this half-assed temporary reconstruction is nothing more than self-preservation for her own club at the expense of others.
She clearly sees that it's all about keeping Hearts up with the assumption that in a couple of seasons they revamp back to 12 teams thus relegating perhaps 3 teams from the top division - she clearly believes that Hearts would not be involved in any such battle for the drop however you can guarantee clubs such as Hamilton, Ross County, St Mirren etc. would be so why on earth would these clubs vote for this? If you ask me its a big **** you to some of the other clubs in the top league and I really hope they take this stance and tell her where to shove her silly little plan for reconstruction.

Exactly, I can also see another reorganisation further down the line if we plan to relegate 3 teams to go back to a 12. What would happen if Hearts were in that bottom 3, a delay?

[04Sauzee]

Kelty Hearts statement in. They aren't happy

[Joe6-2]

I’m still gobsmacked that reconstruction is being discussed, as said before, if any other team were bottom of the league this would never have seen the light of day.
Why oh why are clubs so blinkered to the selfish, self preserving Budge??
It would have been thrown out at the first suggestion from any other club!
Who the f*** are hearts???

[B.H.F.C]

Kelty Hearts statement in. They aren't happy

They weren’t complaining when they were being declared champions with a number of games unplayed.

[PatHead]

So, if in February we find ourselves 7th and assuming Celtic, Sevco, Aberdeen and Hearts are all in the top 6 we have no category A games left:

We have lost at least 3 sources of income from A games
No clear manner of working out season ticket prices
A product which may not appeal to Sky
The prospect of watching games with little or nothing to play for.

It's a big no from me.

[Waxy]

Kelty Hearts statement in. They aren't happy

Same as all the teams told there’ll be no playoffs this season.
Thats the thing holding the lowland/Highland league down imo.
Should be another tier above Lowland/Highland.
A super conference league which is national maybe top 6 from both Leagues.
Then we’d get one winner. Expand the bottom league to 12 and one autopromote and one playoff from the new league.
Then they couldnt deny a Kelty promotion when this happens again.

Thats for the future though.

[CapitalGreen]

Same as all the teams told there’ll be no playoffs this season.
Thats the thing holding the lowland/Highland league down imo.
Should be another tier above Lowland/Highland.
A super conference league which is national maybe top 6 from both Leagues.
Then we’d get one winner. Expand the bottom league to 12 and one autopromote and one playoff from the new league.
Then they couldnt deny a Kelty promotion when this happens again.

Thats for the future though.

The last thing the lower leagues of Scotland need is less regionalisation.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m still gobsmacked that reconstruction is being discussed, as said before, if any other team were bottom of the league this would never have seen the light of day.
Why oh why are clubs so blinkered to the selfish, self preserving Budge??
It would have been thrown out at the first suggestion from any other club!
Who the f*** are hearts???

Are you Daniel Stendall?[emoji23]


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[jacomo]

So your worried Hibs don’t make top 6? We should though but that’s what competition is all about. I seem to recall finishing well below 6th many times in the recent past. But to ease your concerns there are several ideas around to keep the bottom 8 competitive and interesting. Some or all of

7th and possibly 8th involved in play off with 4th, 5th and 6th for final( 5th) Euro Place. Whether 4th are involved will be determined if none of Top 4 win the Cup.
Bottom of 8 auto relegation, 2nd bottom either direct relegation or play off with 2nd in Championship.

Sounds fairly interesting to me . I’d anticipate if Hibs were missed out on top 6 then if we get in contention for 7 or 8 place crowds wouldn’t be bad. If we’re dribbling along near the bottom of the 8 then we deserve poor crowds or even relegation. Though relegation fights produce ok crowds for a few games.


Every complication on top of a standard home and away league format just turns supporters off. The current set up with the split is complicated enough, but at least has the advantage that people are now well used to it.

What advantages does a 14 team league bring? I just can’t see any.